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In Canada, talk about the war with Russia, or the Passion around the shelf and the North Pole

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"Claims on the Arctic bottom from Ottawa threaten war with Russia." Such an impressive headline appeared last week on the front page of the publication Global and Mail (the daily English-speaking Canadian edition). The author of the article, Stephen Chase, made such serious conclusions after the authorities of the country submitted a maple leaf to a special UN committee of the application for the ownership of the Arctic shelf. The very need to submit such an application to the UN was voiced by Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper. Harper's idea is utterly simple and is described in about the following maxim: why Russians, or, for example, Danes can, but Canadians can't ...


In Canada, talk about the war with Russia, or the Passion around the shelf and the North Pole


It should be noted that if Russia began active studies of the Arctic bottom to reinforce its application to the UN in 2002 year (and in 2007 the Russian tricolor was installed at the bottom of the Arctic Ocean at the point corresponding to the North Pole), then Canadian studies in this area started in 2004 year For more than 9 years of research into the Arctic shelf areas, the Canadian side spent about 200 millions of US dollars, and now Stephen Harper firmly decided that such money should not just start working for Canada, but also return, as they say, a hundredfold.

To do this, he decided not only to submit an application to the UN Commission, but also, as they say, to saturate this application with the requirements for the maximum. Following the logic of "there will not be superfluous," the Canadian government decided to include in the application for recognition of Canada 656 thousands of square nautical miles (more than 1,2 million square kilometers) of the sea shelf. If these submarine territories are expressed by the measures of the area of ​​the states, then the claims of Canada are territorially equal to such states as, for example, the Republic of South Africa or Peru (that is, the territory is simply huge). However, this mega territory of the Arctic shelf claimed by Canada (judging by its application to the UN Commission) has its own zest: official Ottawa declares that the North Pole must also become part of Canada ... Well, so ... Not less ...

An article about a possible “war with Russia” in the Canadian edition appeared due to the fact that the Canadian shelf claims were embarrassing, to say the least. It turns out that the “Canadian” square miles mentioned above include approximately 54 thousand square meters. km of the shelf, to which Russia has also declared its rights - moreover, it declared long before the Canadian government did. And did not Premier Harper know about this? It's hard to believe. But it’s more believed that Ottawa decided to seize the moment and limit possible Russian ambitions in the Arctic. At the same time, the desire to increase by additional hundreds of thousands of square kilometers of underwater territories in Canada is now explained as a quote: “protection of Canadian sovereignty in the Arctic”. This interpretation itself suggests that the Canadian authorities decided to declare to the world that Russia’s sovereignty was infringed upon by their country. If not a provocation, then an obvious move aimed at heating the "democratic masses" in the West.

If we consider that applications from the Arctic shelf were filed by Denmark and Norway, and Norway in the 2009 year, through the UN Commission, already secured the right to 235 thousand square kilometers of the sea shelf (this is almost 75% of the territory of Norway itself), then the battle (at least diplomatically -geographic promises to be sharp). Here it is necessary to take into account one more important nuance. The fact is that Denmark is going to claim the Arctic shelf (for now 62 is thousands of square kilometers, but in 2014, the Danish experts have to submit to the United Nations special commission "scientific evidence for Denmark’s territory of the Arctic bottom already at 1 million square kilometers) due to Greenland , and for the Danish authorities, time today is perhaps the primary role. Why? Greenland is an autonomous unit of the Danish kingdom, and the Greenlandic administration has for some time been aiming at gaining complete independence from Copenhagen by Greenland.
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In 2008, in Greenland (the population of this giant island is only about 57 thousand people), a referendum was held in which three quarters of those who have the right to vote, called for wide autonomy with the possible subsequent withdrawal of the territory from Denmark. In this case, the main desire of the Greenland today is not so much in the separation from the Danish kingdom as such, but in the ability to manage their own resources. Today, the lion’s share of these resources is becoming, let's say, the prey of the metropolis - Copenhagen. Denmark is theoretically not opposed to the broad autonomy of the island, however, it speaks of "fifti-fifty" - in other words, the resources extracted by Greenland will be divided in half by the widespread autonomous "swimming" of Greenland: one part of the Green Island, in exchange to subsidize the economy of the island. At the same time, “subsidies” (read: protectorate and resource use) will, according to representatives of the Danish authorities, continue for as long as the Greenlanders receive less than 1,5 billion dollars a year from the sale of hydrocarbons. And as soon as, according to Danish state officials, the Greenlanders will earn 1,5 billion dollars on oil alone, Copenhagen will take into account the results of the referendum, releasing Gotham (the administrative center of Greenland) to “free swimming”.

But Gothob (aka Nuuk) will be able to get such an impressive profit from the sale of hydrocarbons only if Denmark’s claims on the shelf are satisfied by the UN Commission. In this connection, the following situation arises: Denmark, at the expense of Greenland, gets the opportunity to manage new sea areas, Greenland theoretically receives “the broadest autonomy”. Although “the broadest autonomy” for a “state” with a population density of “1 people per 38 square. km "looks like a very strange concept. Obviously, Copenhagen hung a carrot in front of Gotob’s nose, to which the latter cannot even reach a hypothetical position. But Gothob is trying ... This can explain the joint application of Denmark and Greenland for the Arctic shelf.

By the way, here you need to point out another thing: in the 2007 year, the Danes (of course, scientists ...) conducted scientific research, as a result of which it turned out that Copenhagen, together with Gotob (Nuuk), can also claim the territory up to the North Pole. In this case, the North Pole in this case is called the Danish ... In addition, the Danes make claims to those parts of the shelf for which Russia claims.

The result is a whole puff of pie from aquatic-territorial claims. New claims on the shelf over time may well be announced by other interested countries. At least, the United States ... Washington is silent, perhaps only for the simple reason that Ottawa spoke about the claims. Given the more than close relations between the United States and Canada, it can be expected that the Canadian Premier Harper’s bid will be supported by the White House. Like, you just made a statement, and then we will “fraternally” share ...

Given this state of affairs, it can be concluded that Russia "took up" the development of the Arctic (at least, the restoration of military infrastructure) in a timely manner. It is better to have a certain odds than to talk about lost opportunities. Well, or paraphrase the classic version: with scientific evidence and a pistol you can achieve more than with scientific evidence alone ...
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  1. Su-9
    Su-9 10 December 2013 08: 34
    30
    Without arguing with the content of the above, you should not juggle. The article was titled: "Turf war with Russia looms over Ottawa's claim to Arctic seabed" which in translation still means the Cold War. And so - everything is on the case, the conflict is brewing. Here is a link to the original. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/turf-war-with-russia-looms-over-ott
    awas-claim-to-arctic-seabed / article15777123 /
    1. Canep
      Canep 10 December 2013 09: 02
      21
      Here Canadians can replay themselves, they have determined something on the basis of scientific research, but the prime minister appears and states that the north pole should also be Canadian. Since Stephen Harper did not conduct any research, and is not a scientist, his claims may discredit all their scientific justification, Russia can easily require independent research, as there are reasonable political, rather than scientific, motives to lay claim to these territories.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 10 December 2013 11: 20
        +4
        Quote: Canep
        Russia could easily require independent research

        And they will be carried out, these studies and prove errors in the belief in independent research. wink
        Quote: Orel
        Disputes over the shelf began in the last 10 years due to the melting of polar ice, but this year ice in the Arctic was frozen by 70% more than in the same period last year. Everything is cyclical in nature too. Soon there everything will freeze again and everyone will calm down until the next warming

        Another proof: If you started ringing about anything publicly, this does not mean that it was born at the same time as ringing!
        Mayakovsky’s verse in everyone’s hands: Listen up! After all, if the stars are lit, then does anyone need this? So - is it necessary that every night at least one star light up over the roofs ?!
        The Arctic Sea began to be actively studied 150 years ago, sailing there on plywood ships and almost reached the pole (you can learn all the routes and expeditions. The melting of the Arctic cap is a temptation. For especially unbelievers there is the opportunity to check it out on your own skin, sail and at least one polar shift on an ice floe or other places. Well, on a trip to the extreme, make a trip to the oil and gas fields in the Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, Norilsk or to the region of Vaygach Island.
        The views of the Temp airfield clearly match the views of the Air Force Base at Resolute Bay on Cornwallis Island. Which provides for the construction of 3 km. Runway (construction is underway) with the ability to receive any aircraft .:
        1. rolik
          rolik 10 December 2013 13: 56
          11
          Quote: Papakiko
          The views of the Temp airfield clearly show the views of the Air Force base in the village

          But do not tell me how long ago the construction of the Temp airfield began ???
          And now about the Canadian settlement. The settlement is based in 1947 year and was used as an airfield and weather station. Named after the English warship Rezolyut.
          Feel the difference of several decades. And the Canadians airdrome built on the basis of an existing settlement. Do we already have an EXISTING settlement near the Temp airfield?
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 10 December 2013 13: 56
          +6
          Well, just started ours ... everything was started ...
        3. igor36
          igor36 11 December 2013 10: 03
          +2
          The northernmost base of Canada - Alert - 817 km to the pole. Runway - 1500 m. In terms of base deployment, Russia Canada loses at the moment. But this does not mean that you need to give up, we will restore the existing bases and build new ones.
        4. Beast
          Beast 14 December 2013 23: 52
          +1
          Do you live and work in the north? Very confidently talk about lure. I live and work here. I feel the local changes very well with my own nose (scientists also talk about global comrades).
      2. Goldmitro
        Goldmitro 10 December 2013 13: 32
        13
        <<< Minesweeper:
        Russia can easily demand independent research, ... >>>
        It is quite obvious that nothing is "independent", incl. "Independent research" in the politicized world to the limit DOES NOT REMAIN! So the hope of a decision in our favor is INLIKELY, all the more so since the gameokrats (including homegrown ones) reproach Russia anyway for the fact that, in the West's opinion, it unfairly owns vast territories and barbarously exploits them (the West has its environmental disasters on oil platforms and tankers, it turns out, of course, better)! Therefore, we need to be ready to use OTHER ARGUMENTS in support of our position!
        1. doctor.75
          doctor.75 15 December 2013 21: 05
          +1
          I agree completely. Alas!
      3. Simon
        Simon 10 December 2013 14: 16
        +7
        Yes, we wanted to spit on this Stephen! Late roll the sponge to the pole. Let them build the icebreakers first, breaking the ice three, or even more meters, and put their flag on the bottom of the Arctic Ocean at the point of the pole, next to ours, but do not pretend to be our flag. And they still have not staked out and they are already raising a howl.
      4. Volkhov
        Volkhov 10 December 2013 16: 03
        +4
        The North Pole will certainly be Canadian, you can not even ask - he will come. He was 13500 years ago in Greenland, the angle of rotation of the crust during the Pulsation is about 30 degrees. - just Canada.
        1. kaktus
          kaktus 10 December 2013 18: 25
          +4
          wait a little longer ... wassat
        2. colonel77
          colonel77 20 January 2014 20: 39
          0
          those. Canada geographically will be in place of the North Pole ... well, well ... let them own the territory with constant negative temperature ... the first ones will be asked to warm themselves in Western Siberia.
        3. colonel77
          colonel77 20 January 2014 20: 39
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          those. Canada geographically will be in place of the North Pole ... well, well ... let them own the territory with constant negative temperature ... the first ones will be asked to warm themselves in Western Siberia.
    2. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 10 December 2013 09: 05
      22
      The point is not what it was called, but that Russia urgently needs to strengthen its defense.
      1. Orel
        Orel 10 December 2013 09: 28
        +7
        Everyone is trying to declare more territories in their claims, so that as in any requirement (ask for more, they will eventually reduce it anyway). Therefore, there is nothing surprising. Disputes over the shelf began in the last 10 years due to the melting of polar ice, but this year ice in the Arctic was frozen by 70% more than in the same period last year. Everything is cyclical in nature too. Soon there everything will freeze again and everyone will calm down until the next warming ...
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 10 December 2013 11: 23
        +7
        That is why the Temp airfield was revived. Armed brigades are still being created to protect Russian interests in the Arctic and new nuclear icebreakers are being built
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 10 December 2013 11: 51
          -16 qualifying.
          Quote: Basarev
          Armed brigades are still being created to protect Russian interests in the Arctic and new nuclear icebreakers are being built.

          Well, the equipment they have in no comparison.

          And our guys:


          This is equipped on the TV, but in reality ......... and exclamation points. Let's add that they will send conscripts, it’s finally extinguish the candles. Arctic arrows ...
          In the 102nd base, conscripts were brought to Armenia, and another exercise for the first persons of the state was carried out with their participation. DARKNESS!!!
          The circus continues.
          only the Kadyrov special forces trained by Martynov Danilka are taught and equipped at our level: http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = pi1wamFcPaU (you can watch only the first minute)
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 10 December 2013 17: 39
            +1
            and for what reason did you compare 2 with completely different pictures?
          2. ioann1
            ioann1 13 December 2013 19: 19
            0
            Court, in context, working for the GRU?
          3. aunt
            aunt 13 December 2013 22: 32
            0
            in the picture with our guys, not Arctic-Murmans most likely, next to him, possibly the Kola Peninsula.
            But Canadian warriors are moving across the Arctic landscape.
      3. Hunghuz
        Hunghuz 10 December 2013 13: 23
        -6
        hi Strengthen the defense of the Motherland with aligarchs, galleys and Faberge eggs ....... ????? did I understand you correctly ?
      4. Simon
        Simon 10 December 2013 14: 18
        +8
        And, that our Northern Fleet in this area is the strongest and is still gaining strength, let the drool flow.
      5. AVV
        AVV 10 December 2013 16: 10
        +9
        A military fleet in the Arctic is urgently needed, together with the icebreaker it will be an impressive force !!! Therefore, we must build and build, while competitors will chase a wave, we need to strengthen our presence in this area. At the same time, America will be launched with naked ass, following Detroit! !!
        1. aunt
          aunt 13 December 2013 22: 35
          0
          I’ve read about icebreakers that they’re old, and after 5 years only 1 will remain. We ordered them to build new ones, they stole the money, it became clear with the arrival of the new general from the Uralvagon, the guy who came to the United Shipbuilding Corporation .. They began to deal with this, it’s already good ... they’ll and icebreakers
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 10 December 2013 13: 54
      12
      after the photo at the beginning, the rest does not come to mind ... what is this? fake? Or did Michael eat the husky? about "friendship" belay exclude option ..
    4. Apostle
      Apostle 10 December 2013 14: 14
      +5
      I wish Canada success, as well as a little common sense of its media, I need to send kitsch for such statements by a journalist .. And I would be interested how Canada is going to fight with Russia .. or they think that the Americans will help? .. so they helped Georgia. .
      1. Danafxnumx
        Danafxnumx 10 December 2013 17: 43
        +4
        Quote: Apostle
        . And I would be interested how Canada is going to fight with Russia .. or do they think that the Americans will help? .. so they already helped Georgia ..

        as one Canadian said: "we will definitely defeat Russia, we have one whole tank" am
        1. allex77
          allex77 22 January 2014 14: 41
          0
          Another option: the Canadians are on the "Bombardier Ski-Doo" and we are on the Burany, harnessed by reindeer, and there will be a battle. drinks
      2. Vasek
        Vasek 10 December 2013 19: 28
        +9
        Quote: Apostle
        Without arguing with the content of the above, you should not juggle. The article was titled: "Turf war with Russia looms over Ottawa's claim to Arctic seabed" which in translation still means the Cold War.

        And even more accurately translate, so "confrontation" will turn out, and in no case is "war" with the use of the Armed Forces.
        Do not start, people! Canada can fight with Russia only in hockey. drinks
    5. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 10 December 2013 15: 00
      +4
      It is necessary to incite the Scandinavians against the Canadians, as England set the Germans against the Russians.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 10 December 2013 17: 27
        +3
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        It is necessary to incite the Scandinavians against the Canadians, as England set the Germans against the Russians.

        Naive dude
        1. 755962
          755962 10 December 2013 18: 16
          +1
          Putin ordered the head of the Ministry of Defense to provide Russia with "all levers to protect national interests" in the Arctic
          Russia must have "all the levers to protect its security and national interests" in the Arctic, President Vladimir Putin said, and in this regard set the task for the Defense Ministry "to pay special attention to the deployment of infrastructure and military units in the Arctic."

          Russia "is increasingly exploring this promising region, returning to it," Putin said at an expanded meeting of the final collegium of the Defense Ministry. Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu responded by assuring the Supreme Commander-in-Chief that in 2014 a group of troops would be created in the Arctic to ensure military security and protect Russia's national interests in this territory, Interfax reports.

          Note that these statements were made against the background of new claims by Canada, which submitted to the UN a request to expand its continental shelf in the Arctic and is preparing to claim the North Pole, which Russia is trying to stake.


          http://www.newsru.com/russia/10dec2013/arctic.html
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 10 December 2013 18: 58
            +4
            755962 (1)
            Under the Soviets, the north was closed to freeloaders well. Even the Americans were not our competitors. Well, now I don’t know.
            1. aunt
              aunt 13 December 2013 22: 49
              +2
              I think you're wrong. Sever (Arctic) was simply not needed by anyone.
              And the whole USSR was not needed. The new land, perhaps the only place, due to its purpose, was well equipped and supplied excellently in the 80s (the year of the Olympics is everywhere a ball), it was probably equipped only in Belushi Bay and Rogachevo. On the rest, there are points (barracks and a few parts air defense, air defense). By the 90th, the supply has deteriorated greatly. At the same time, there were still some points on the ZFI. In the remaining places sat meteorogs (1 person-3 station-radio operator, meteorologist and paramedic).
              Along the coast are military units of air defense.
              Then everything deteriorated (a moratorium was announced for testing in the 90s). Everything deteriorated in the NZ, the sailors left, there are marines today. shops ..
              But there is an airfield there (concrete slabs, you can even take IL-76, not to mention the An-12 or carcasses and especially SU-shkah). You could fly helicopters on the ZPI. If they give money, our Arctic will come to life.
              Let me remind you that Svalbard in Russian is Grumant, opened by our Pomors from Arkhara (Arkh-ska), they went there long ago. Unfortunately, there are only 2 towns of Barentsburg and Pyramid in our ministry, and by the standard of living we lose there .. Again, they will give money, there are people. It’s a pity the old one, I would have pulled today, I would have just whistled.
              1. allex77
                allex77 22 January 2014 14: 56
                0
                In the 80s he worked at sea, in Sevryba (MurmAnsk), earned a lot of money, met with mine miners from Spitz in taverns, brave guys, it’s difficult, they said, but you can work ... drinks
      2. kavkaz8888
        kavkaz8888 10 December 2013 22: 35
        +1
        The thought is cheerful, BUT WE will not be likened to any Fofans. Not our methods.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 10 December 2013 23: 48
          +6
          I have an idea . What kind of nuclear icebreaker is being prepared for decommissioning, tell me? So here. Trim it up to max. and send straight to the North Pole. To the eternal parking lot. laughing Let's get a floating city with its own power source. Well, there, every six months to throw everything that is necessary and "change of the guard" to produce. Stake out a place, as they say. fellow ... Let them try to repeat or "somehow move". wassat
          1. aunt
            aunt 13 December 2013 22: 51
            +3
            the ice floes drift and melt, otherwise our joint venture No. 1 -... there would have stood forever.

            The North Pole is a point on the map, and the ice is moving there :))
    6. Siberian German
      Siberian German 13 December 2013 03: 38
      +3
      but I was touched by something else - they only asked for more than 50000 sq. km of extra ones - they saw an example of how a dimon with a vovan Norwegians had a piece about --- whether they were in the Barents and asking themselves a piece of excess would not decrease
  2. ReifA
    ReifA 10 December 2013 08: 38
    10
    For this matter, that massacre is coming. The main thing is not military, but to shake the air - but as much as your heart desires.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 December 2013 09: 05
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      Quote: ReifA
      For this matter, that massacre is coming.

      It will strike, but only if the West in the Arctic has complete superiority, but this is not yet possible. There is no money.
      And what’s in the photo for the article, this Russian bear is going to have lunch with a Canadian dog laughing
      1. 755962
        755962 10 December 2013 10: 36
        25
        Russia has been in the Arctic for a thousand years. In 2007, we set our national flag at the bottom of the Arctic Ocean exactly under the North Pole. What showed who is the boss in the Arctic. And what caused the "heart palpitations" in the West. Because they proved that the Lomonosov Ridge is connected with the territory of Russia, and not, as Denmark claims, the “sunken part of Greenland”. Dreaming is not harmful. ... And wishful thinking. ... But they broke off.
        1. Simon
          Simon 10 December 2013 14: 37
          +3
          Let me drool! It’s still a long way to set his flags, during this time we will post the entire Arctic Ocean. laughing
        2. aunt
          aunt 13 December 2013 22: 53
          +1
          Chilingarov checked, but there is no confirmation of recognition yet. Or am I behind the times :)
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 10 December 2013 10: 21
      20
      Quote: ReifA
      For this matter, that massacre is coming. The main thing is not military, but to shake the air - but as much as your heart desires.



      massacre is not the word, according to rough estimates, there are 25% of the world’s total in the Arctic, of which 15,5 billion tons of oil and 84,5 trillion cubic meters of gas, China is tearing into the Arctic, even Ukraine blathers about its presence. Not a centimeter of the Russian land to enemies, the Russian flag on the bottom of the Arctic Ocean at the point of the North Pole (2007g.)
      1. General Frost
        General Frost 10 December 2013 10: 40
        10
        So I thought, and after all, Canada has a very strong Ukrainian lobby. Somehow, all this appeared in time in connection with the events of Ukraine’s European integration and Russia hindering it in this.
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 10 December 2013 11: 29
        +4
        Yes, they have ears from a dead donkey, not the Arctic! Only Canada lives 37 millions - four times less than in Russia! So, in the event of an open military conflict, Canadians can not last long - with our total atomic superiority over Canada, we also have much more powerful ground forces and navy. And we also have a carrier cruiser, and Canadians don’t
        1. fedorovith
          fedorovith 10 December 2013 11: 47
          +5
          But Canada's "close .. Sasha's girlfriend" decided to kick up.
        2. Luga
          Luga 10 December 2013 14: 15
          17
          Quote: Basarev
          Yes, they have ears from a dead donkey, not the Arctic! Only Canada lives 37 millions - four times less than in Russia! So, in the event of an open military conflict, Canadians can not last long - with our total atomic superiority over Canada, we also have much more powerful ground forces and navy. And we also have a carrier cruiser, and Canadians don’t


          Cool. You did great - everything is calculated, calculated, in any way Canada has no chance. We will roll out with nuclear weapons, trample them with "stronger ground forces and navy" and finish off with a "carrier cruiser".
          Are you seriously going to fight one-on-one with Canada?
          They will have to fight according to the "one against all" scheme. The "green" raids on platforms and scientific stations, the breakdown of airfields as a result of a "sandstorm", the death of a scientific expedition at the hands of "polar bears", disruptions in the supply of fuel and food as a result of ... something. This will be the kind of war. And all this was accompanied by screams at the UN and elsewhere about "inadmissibility", "fair distribution", "historical right" and spitting on the back from the "opposition" from within.
          And we will work, build, research, mine, holding in one hand a scientific device, and in another machine.
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 10 December 2013 16: 27
            +9
            But still, the Canadian army is significantly weaker than ours, so the Canadians have a poor choice whether to run or die. And as for the war against everyone, Alaric correctly said that the thicker the grass, the better it is to mow
            1. cap-blood
              cap-blood 11 December 2013 00: 53
              +1
              Do you have such a banter?
          2. Chertkov Oleg
            Chertkov Oleg 10 December 2013 16: 33
            +9
            Big and fat NUI on his back. In what alterations Russia has never been, it’s still alive and dear, God forbid, for many years! It will not be easy, we can handle it, not the first time.
          3. Andrew-001
            Andrew-001 10 December 2013 18: 20
            13
            Quote: Luga
            And we will work, build, research, mine, holding in one hand a scientific device, and in another machine.

            This is always the case in our country, it has happened historically. As soon as we begin to rise, we immediately have to take up the machine gun (spear, fuzee, three-line, blaster) and fight off the "disinterested helpers" who want us "universal" (French, German, British, American) "benefits".
            Nothing, always coped. Maybe this time it’s tight - especially if it’s possible to back up with knowledge and technology.
          4. aunt
            aunt 13 December 2013 22: 55
            +2
            it’s overlooked that Canada, the United States and the NATO Allies. That's who you have to deal with. And that's not 37 million.
          5. SAXA.SHURA
            SAXA.SHURA 18 September 2014 11: 33
            0
            Just don’t have to scare Russia, they’re already sickened up, who has enough health, let them try. That's it.
      3. demel2
        demel2 10 December 2013 14: 38
        +7
        One flag will not be enough, it would be nice to have a larger fleet.
  3. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 10 December 2013 08: 42
    15
    Yes, if any Western country, at least a little confident in its abilities, would have attacked Mother Russia long ago! And all the same, our Russia is unyielding, every second gay republic wants to express its "phi" to it or to prick it, but at least we should have henna !!!
  4. makarov
    makarov 10 December 2013 08: 51
    18
    One can understand Canadian politicians. Their cries are from stupidity and ignorance of History. They simply do not know the international proverb, which I will express in the language of commoners: - Those who scare Russia, they will later be forgotten .. they will.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 10 December 2013 11: 32
      +5
      I also saw their pathos movie about the upcoming purchases of Swedish BMPs named CV-90. So they say with great pathos and show how this BMP smashes the thirty-four!
    2. Victor-M
      Victor-M 10 December 2013 20: 42
      +3
      Quote: makarov
      Who scares Russia,

      He then farts from fear aside!
    3. abdrah
      abdrah 11 December 2013 02: 23
      +2
      Sorry, but with a tolerant consciousness in society, such an action as "those who will later sing ... are" is not a punishment in our sense, but there is an encouragement, such as do so and you will sing .. be!

      here are buggers !!
  5. Stiletto
    Stiletto 10 December 2013 09: 00
    +5
    Professionals in their Montreal
    Let your noses break apart
    But their representative (you want - ask!)
    Recently taped was in two stripes.

    First, spread out, and then - a patch.
    And their shepherd - well, as luck would have it! -
    He knew before the battle that he was weak.
    We prayed in order - it didn’t help!
  6. Volkhov
    Volkhov 10 December 2013 09: 03
    +3
    At the North Pole there is an indigenous population - you can see it directly in the photo to the article. Specifically, this bear is genocidal for showing kindness and friendship with dogs by a group of 12 Canadian officials who arrived in a helicopter (the Masonic circle), along with other intelligent bears.
    http://www.perunica.ru/priroda/7177-belye-medvedi-i-ezdovye-sobaki-haski.html
    It is necessary to establish contacts with local residents, and not to bullshit with weapons - this principle will lead to the return of everything to the Gray along the chain of the Russian Federation - USA - Reich - Gray, and maybe there will be stronger.
  7. bif
    bif 10 December 2013 09: 05
    12
    Denmark and Norway are so pawns who were given the floor for extras, but the statements of Canada (read one of the US states) should be taken extremely seriously ... Although the division of the Arctic will soon remind "who got up first and sneakers" and here RF is beyond competition - "Arctic slippers" only here and for every taste !!!
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    2. demel2
      demel2 10 December 2013 14: 44
      +5
      The pawn of Norway when DAM was a prezik protruded half of the Barents Sea from our country. And no one scratched it.
      1. Chertkov Oleg
        Chertkov Oleg 10 December 2013 17: 45
        +7
        For more than 40 years, the territorial dispute between Russia and Norway has ended. The agreement concerns the division of 175 square kilometers of the Barents Sea into two equal parts

        And not the floor of the sea.
        "Gray" territories have appeared since the time when the tribal system was just emerging on earth. Overgrown trees, urine on a stone, a heap of stones - all this served as boundary pillars, protective signs of hunting grounds. And in little-explored places, these signs were absent and the one who got there hunted. A settlement appeared and signs of the clan appeared. You can't do that on water. Nowadays, the extortion only with the help of interstate treaties occurs between two parties arguing over one section. And the government has to solve this problem in such a non-patriotic way (to share the disputed territory with some Norway). Let me explain why: Russia needs a large part of the Arctic, not 87,5 square kilometers of the Barents Sea! This disputed territory is similar to the paper-consent you do not have in the package of documents when applying to the BTI, ZHEK, DEZ with the GENERAL Redevelopment Plan of your apartment (our Russia + Arctic). And this "certificate" will be very necessary, as it will confirm the absence of border disputes with neighbors, though not homeless, but very "smelly". By agreeing to the small, we strengthen the foundation of the large. In what way the rulers' path is not plausible. It is possible and on the "bad" - to wet everyone who encroached, but then we will wash EVERYTHING. And we and they will not seem to anyone. It is equivalent to the third world and most likely nuclear, in which 5-7% of the population will survive well. We will always have time to rest against the horn with support from the army.
        1. Chertkov Oleg
          Chertkov Oleg 10 December 2013 18: 08
          +4
          In confirmation.
          The UN Continental Shelf Commission also recommended that Russia conclude agreements on the delimitation of maritime spaces with Norway, the United States and Japan as soon as possible. Russia has not ratified the agreement on the delimitation of the 1990 sea spaces of the year with the United States (the so-called Baker – Shevardnadze agreement). Comments by Japan are related to the status of the Kuril Islands. But the hardest thing is to resolve the territorial dispute with Norway, which has been going on for 75 years.

          Applicants for the meadow:

          http://saboy.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/map-arktika.jpg
          And we will stake a "clearing" there anyway!
          1. Serg 122
            Serg 122 10 December 2013 20: 54
            +9
            In October, Putin confirmed that the Arctic was and always will be an integral part of the Russian Federation and called the idea of ​​putting it under the control of the international community stupid. Putin recalled that off the coast of Norway there are US nuclear submarines and the flight time of missiles launched from them to Moscow is 16-17 minutes. “To say under these conditions that this region should be surrendered to someone’s management is complete stupidity,” the president emphasized. Such proposals are, in his words, a reflection of the anti-people and unpatriotic position. Putin simply called the author of the idea a "jerk." Forbes.ru
            1. Ihrek
              Ihrek 10 December 2013 22: 44
              +7
              We hope Putin will be firm in his convictions to the end, and subsequent Russian presidents too. And God forbid any Gorbachev appear to the people.
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            3. Alex Danilov
              Alex Danilov 15 December 2013 01: 28
              +2
              That's right!
          2. Serg 122
            Serg 122 10 December 2013 20: 56
            +2
            The country's defense minister Sergei Shoigu told Putin at the meeting that the defense ministry plans to create a force grouping in 2014 to ensure military security and protect Russia's national interests in the Arctic. He also spoke about the beginning of the restoration of military infrastructure in the Arctic region. “It is planned to restore airfields and berthing facilities on Franz Josef Land and the Novosibirsk Islands,” Shoigu informed. He also plans to restore other northern airfields (Tiksi, Naryan-Mar, Alykel, Amderma, Anadyr, Rogachevo, Nagurskaya). Forbes.ru
            1. Serg 122
              Serg 122 10 December 2013 20: 59
              +1
              Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed the Ministry of Defense in 2014 to pay special attention to the deployment of infrastructure and military units in the Arctic, RIA Novosti reported.
              Next year, Putin demanded to complete the formation of new formations and military units that are part of the promising combat structure of the Armed Forces. “At the same time, I ask you to pay special attention to the deployment of infrastructure and military units in the Arctic direction.”
              Forbes.ru
            2. aunt
              aunt 13 December 2013 23: 02
              +1
              in Naryan-mar and Amderme there were exactly 90 airdromes, the AN-12 sat there easily. The N-mare-puck airport is small, yes. But they served as a jump airfield. So that the route does not run over the sea, they fly along a curve over large land.
              The carcass is 1.5 hours from Arkhara, on the AN-12 about the same, AN-24-2.5 hours
            3. Alex Danilov
              Alex Danilov 15 December 2013 01: 28
              +1
              In, right!
  8. Grandson of Veteran
    Grandson of Veteran 10 December 2013 09: 10
    +7
    "Yes, if any Western country, even a little bit confident in its abilities, would long ago"
    I would rephrase-Any country that is confident in the weakness of Russia ...
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 10 December 2013 09: 17
      +3
      quote-"Claims to the Arctic bottom by Ottawa threaten a war with Russia". Such an impressive headline appeared last week on the front page of Global and Mail (a daily English-language Canadian publication).
      ............ the above quote caused me only a sarcastic laugh. laughing

      as for Canada's fuss at the UN.So Russia has a veto in the Security Council.
      1. S-200
        S-200 10 December 2013 10: 38
        +1
        Quote: Apollon
        As for Canada’s fuss at the UN, Russia has a veto in the Security Council

        hi welcome Apollo
        this dispute is not decided by the Security Council, but - UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf, which analyzes the opinions of experts and makes a conclusion ...
        Russia has no political preferences in this commission
        http://saboy.ru/жж/границы-шельфа-в-арктике.html
  9. Christian
    Christian 10 December 2013 09: 13
    18
    I propose an "asymmetrical answer" to the Canadians at the Olympic ice hockey tournament!
    1. S-200
      S-200 10 December 2013 09: 57
      +9
      Quote: Christian
      I propose an "asymmetrical answer" to the Canadians at the Olympic ice hockey tournament!

      plagiarism (it was already!) with an unpredictable outcome.
      and for Russia will play hockey players who work in Canadian and American clubs ?
      It is necessary to conduct comprehensive military exercises for the combat arms in the North Pole region.
      The structure of the icebreaker order includes missile cruisers, a helicopter carrier, a division of atomic submarines, and support vessels.
      Landing units of the Arctic brigade with equipment near the North Pole, conduct live firing with all types of weapons (armored vehicles, artillery, missile, air defense)
      Only such "events" will cool the ardor of the overseas "star daggers"
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 10 December 2013 11: 38
        +3
        But Canadians are not worried that the main trajectory of our ICBMs just goes through the North Pole?
        1. Simon
          Simon 10 December 2013 14: 47
          +9
          In! Disagreements will arise between us and Canada, we will send ICBMs to them to sign a peace treaty. Let them catch them at home. laughing
        2. aunt
          aunt 13 December 2013 23: 04
          +1
          just one emission after the event at the NZ is enough. Usually the wind rose was taken into account, so that it blows to the Urals, but you can also guess the wind to Canada. :))
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 10 December 2013 10: 40
      0
      Quote: Christian
      I propose an "asymmetrical answer" to the Canadians at the Olympic ice hockey tournament!

      Last time they answered 7-3 in favor of Canada laughing
    3. complete zero
      complete zero 10 December 2013 11: 38
      -3
      it’s possible to offer (hockey at the Olympics) -that we’ll only lose them to hockey (believe me) .... well, the Arctic-hr .. he’s between the buns
    4. Ptah
      Ptah 10 December 2013 12: 30
      11
      I knew that the theme was going down to hockey.
      Then you can see how the naive Finn was the first to start and competently snatch from Kovalchuk ...
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 10 December 2013 14: 15
        +6
        then with the canadian
      2. Hleb
        Hleb 10 December 2013 14: 15
        +1
        then with the canadian
    5. mountain
      mountain 10 December 2013 16: 42
      +1
      And I remember the times, they came out without helmets and without cap. Why don’t say, but study. laughing But admit it, bad. Repetition of MOTHER teachings.
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 10 December 2013 21: 58
        +5
        I remember the times

        so in memory, and today should be. December 10 is the birthday of the GREAT A. Tarasov - "the father of Russian hockey"
    6. Vasek
      Vasek 10 December 2013 19: 37
      0
      Quote: Christian
      I propose an "asymmetrical answer" to the Canadians at the Olympic ice hockey tournament!


      laughing Is it like playing games in Vancouver? laughing
  10. Good
    Good 10 December 2013 09: 15
    +8
    At the Polar Academy of St. Petersburg, the conference "Ensuring the national interests of Russia in the Arctic: problems and prospects" was held. This is one of many about the Arctic. A representative of the Northern Fleet even spoke there and talked about Kotelny Island, about the resumption of operation of the Temp airfield. So Russia does not stand still.
    1. Simon
      Simon 10 December 2013 14: 51
      +3
      This is our unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Arctic. Nichita Amerovsky! good
  11. Sunjar
    Sunjar 10 December 2013 09: 15
    +4
    And again, all the talk and evidence of "experts" from all sides is not so much worth it. In this region, he will steer whoever has armed forces there: the navy, aviation, and the fighters themselves. And here they will only bark, because it is deadly to attack. In general, it would be ridiculous to see how some Canadian for #upa would poke into our zone and they were not drowned there, but simply arrested, like Greenpeace members. We can say that a civilian ship is one thing, and a military one is another, but when it comes to life, then you have to obey.
  12. svskor80
    svskor80 10 December 2013 09: 16
    12
    Russia's mainstay in the Arctic is the Northern Fleet. Its capabilities need to be increased and demonstrated to those wishing to grab pieces of the Arctic pie, which can be grabbed along the "snout" and other painful places.
  13. Neighbor
    Neighbor 10 December 2013 09: 27
    +5
    The eastern and western borders of the USSR converged precisely at the North Pole. Contrary to Kipling, "West is West, East is East and they will never converge."
  14. aszzz888
    aszzz888 10 December 2013 09: 29
    +1
    Given this state of things, we can conclude that Russia "took up" the development of the Arctic (at least the restoration of military infrastructure) in a timely manner. It is better to have a certain head start than to then talk about missed opportunities.


    How many more sticks to the wheels Russia will receive is unknown. But all and sundry will climb on the cold continent.
    1. S-200
      S-200 10 December 2013 10: 06
      +6
      Quote: aszzz888
      How many more sticks to the wheels Russia will receive is unknown. But all and sundry will climb on the cold continent.

      I am very wildly sorry, but ...

      no (arctic cold)CONTINENT I DO NOT FIND ON THE RUSSIAN Globe! ... crying
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 10 December 2013 10: 42
        +1
        And if you look at the globe of the world?
  15. Sterlya
    Sterlya 10 December 2013 09: 37
    +9
    We are talking Canada. We mean the United States. United Kingdom.
    There is no such country as Canada. I mean a country that could make independent decisions without the order of Fas.
    1. Vasek
      Vasek 10 December 2013 19: 46
      +2
      Quote: Sterlya
      There is no such country as Canada. I mean a country that could make independent decisions without an order


      Canada is the only US ally categorically refusing to fight in Iraq.
      From the principle - there is no decision of the Security Council, and all!
  16. lotar
    lotar 10 December 2013 09: 43
    +4
    Recently it was shown on TV that they had begun preparations for the first Arctic units with the appropriate equipment and equipment. I hope our armed forces will be the guarantor of the world in this part of the globe.
  17. HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 10 December 2013 09: 44
    +5
    Interesting scientists in our time, you want to prove that the Canadian pole, you want Danish, some kind of scientific prostitution.
    1. Luga
      Luga 10 December 2013 14: 25
      +6
      Quote: HollyGremlin
      Interesting scientists in our time, you want to prove that the Canadian pole, you want Danish, some kind of scientific prostitution.

      These are not scientists, they are lawyers. "Where there are two lawyers there are three opinions" - was invented for a long time. Attorney Padva or any other lawyer can easily prove that the North Pole belongs to you personally for the appropriate fee.
      The question of who it really belongs to is not decided by scientists, but by the actual presence on the disputed territory. Everything else is chatter.
  18. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 10 December 2013 09: 48
    +3
    "Scientific evidence and a gun can do more than scientific evidence alone ..." This should be the main premise for our government in preparing for Arctic disputes in the near future.
  19. Sergg
    Sergg 10 December 2013 09: 51
    +2
    Well, or a paraphrase of the classic version: scientific evidence and a gun can achieve more than scientific evidence alone ...

    It is difficult to disagree with this. You can also say this: "The opinion of the diplomats of that country will be listened to, which has the strongest argument in reserve - this is a strong army. Weak states are beating, no one will hear them."
  20. DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 10 December 2013 10: 18
    +4
    It is clear that this is not without the Angles and the Yankees. Canada will not squeak until they say "fas" from London. But the Arctic is north, and our north. There, and our fleet is not small, even Petka has a Great One. they will not rock the boat like that to me. In the UN there they will breed palemics and elsewhere ... but we have something)
  21. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 10 December 2013 10: 31
    +3
    I like the country of Canada with its climate and traditions, I would not want to conflict with them, it’s better to play hockey.
  22. ed65b
    ed65b 10 December 2013 10: 39
    +8
    We also need to submit an application to the North Pole to the shores of Canada, and Greenland in general has been our whole life, where let the Chukchi confirm it. laughing
  23. Ivan Pomidorov
    Ivan Pomidorov 10 December 2013 10: 39
    +3
    "Claims to the Arctic bottom by Ottawa threaten a war with Russia"


    Lord !!! How scary! How now to live with such a burden on the soul ?! lol

    Do they have the whole House No. 6 scattered ??? laughing
  24. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 10 December 2013 10: 41
    +1
    Their ears are from a dead donkey and not the Arctic .. (Another barking begins.)
  25. Commander
    Commander 10 December 2013 10: 43
    +2
    This is just the beginning !! Soon everyone will be drawn to the UN to apply for their piece of cake !!! Then it will really be all serious!
  26. Bezarius
    Bezarius 10 December 2013 10: 52
    +4
    “Protecting Canadian Sovereignty in the Arctic”

    Yes, it's a joke of the year. Before the right to swing, let them first get real independence from England.

    As for all the rest (except for Essno), let them build an icebreaking fleet first to stretch their legs.
    1. asadov
      asadov 10 December 2013 11: 02
      +2
      just about completely agree. And we have more bases, both military and research, in this region.
    2. Lk17619
      Lk17619 10 December 2013 11: 51
      +3
      Unfortunately, some countries have an icebreaker fleet. Of course, it’s smaller than ours, but ... If all these naughty saxes are united, then they can have an atomic icebreaker more than ours ((((. So with a dozen atomic submarines into the Arctic additionally, so that any shusher would not swim there. )))
  27. little man
    little man 10 December 2013 11: 15
    +3
    Photo, go nuts! From the "A Second Before Death" series?
    How can this be?
    1. smile
      smile 10 December 2013 12: 23
      +3
      little man
      I think you are mistaken - the animals are obviously fooling around - the bear is probably local and lured, if he met the dogs in his youth, they could have made friends.
      Look, the dog stands absolutely calmly with the look of the Stoic patiently withstanding the harassment of a white bully. :)))
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 10 December 2013 12: 41
        +1
        Quote: smile
        I think you are mistaken - the animals are obviously fooling around - the bear is probably local and lured, if he met the dogs in his youth, they could have made friends.

        Welcome smile!
        As you can see, even animals that are completely different in nature can coexist peacefully. And people, creatures quite rational and whole states cannot find a common language ... request
        1. smile
          smile 10 December 2013 12: 53
          0
          Corsair
          Great boules!
          Yes, people are so angry that they can’t sleep peacefully if someone is running nearby and not on a rope. The same applies to the two-legged colleagues in the mind .... what can you do if we, Abanamat, are at the top of the food chain - the most dangerous person with manners of cannibal ... we have such a nature ...
    2. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 10 December 2013 12: 37
      +3
      Maybe they are friends? I want to believe in the best.
    3. Ptah
      Ptah 10 December 2013 12: 39
      11
      Quote: man
      Photo, go nuts! From the "A Second Before Death" series?

      Why did you get something, you are our bloodthirsty ...
      Now, before that -

      animalworld.com.ua/images/2010/May/Foto/W_ber/whitebear&dogs_06.jpg

      animalworld.com.ua/images/2010/May/Foto/W_ber/whitebear&dogs_03.jpg

      animalworld.com.ua/images/2010/May/Foto/W_ber/whitebear&dogs_05.jpg

      ц

      у


      Here's another -
      к

      е

      Yes, it is full of such in those parts.
      They are non-humans !!!! good laughing

      And this is especially for you! hi
      н
      1. smile
        smile 10 December 2013 12: 54
        +4
        Ptah
        Wow, great pics ... thanks.
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 10 December 2013 12: 57
          +5
          Yes, not at all.
          Please feel free to -
          https://www.google.ru/search?q=белые+медведи+дружат+с+собаками&newwindow=1&rlz=1
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      2. EdwardTich68
        EdwardTich68 12 December 2013 18: 54
        0
        It’s just that the bears live in the zoo and are full, and the one that probably feeds on the dog
        from the dump. In real life, everything is not so rosy.
        1. aunt
          aunt 13 December 2013 23: 19
          +1
          absolutely, they arrive at the landfill by the hour, as waste from the galleys will be dumped, up to 15 pieces of kodla comes, freebie food. Then they begin to jump out of ambushes right onto the road, they are not afraid of either missiles or bullets of smooth-bore. You can’t shoot them, they ask Moscow every time with justification .. AKM-helps.
          1. Shotskiy
            Shotskiy 15 December 2013 23: 28
            +1
            And where should they go with hunger if people scared their grub or ate themselves up.
      3. aunt
        aunt 13 December 2013 23: 16
        +1
        this is possible only with bears grown in captivity from tame bears ..
        In fact, a very complex beast is not amenable to training, only recently trained people began to appear in circuses.
        People are still dying from them. No one even growing among people will allow such liberties, when he grows up he simply begins to tear out bags with food.
        And the wild ones — they simply attack — paw blow — there is no scalp on the head (he throws seals out of the holes).
        Those who wish can have a moratorium on the website of the New Earth residents, God forbid, meet.
        His face is like that of a bullish thug-eyes wide. He is curious, goes to the sounds ..
        6 meters jump, do not run away in the snow .. scary beast. The guy in the photo is crazy ..
  28. Georgic
    Georgic 10 December 2013 11: 35
    +4
    Canadians seem to have not seen themselves from the outside. Therefore it is impossible
  29. SIT
    SIT 10 December 2013 11: 41
    +5
    In general, of course, all amicably rushed to share the skin of the same unkilled bear. No one has production technologies in conditions such as drift pack ice in the central part of the Arctic Ocean. But there is still a transportation problem. Here, no icebreaking wiring will help. We need tankers of reinforced ice class of the corresponding displacement, and not shuttles of 4-5 thousand tons. How much will their construction and operation cost? This is not a serial container ship sculpt. Pulling pipes from the ice is also a dark and unknown matter. Where there were ice piers on Varandey, the Sinkin Nosu was forced to fill the bottom with tractors. It was forbidden to work on a tractor without a cab removed, because even in open doors you may not have time to jump out. What will happen to the pipe lowered from the ice to the bottom when the movement of ice 2.5m thick begins? Will crash like a cigarette. In general, before fighting, it would be nice for everyone to unite and think about joint efforts in work on the Arctic shelf. Not a single country in the world alone will be able to become profitable - the budget will burst.
    1. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 10 December 2013 18: 35
      +1
      Now yes, no reason. And who is going to drive pipes right into the place where the ice is the thickest tomorrow? So far we have begun to train on "cats" near the coast. Development of technology. Who thought about the iPhone 40-50 years ago? And he is an infection around the ball to rush. And what will happen in 2053-2063 and what is the weather in the Arctic. They are trying to chop off more territory for the FUTURE, when the bowels of their lands near the gazepad will show them their favorite place (the hole from the "donut").
      1. SIT
        SIT 10 December 2013 21: 02
        +1
        Quote: Oleg Chertkov
        Who thought about iPhone 40-50 years ago?

        Despite all the iPhones, Porsche cayenne and other jewelry, mankind has currently studied the bottom of the oceans less than the surface of the moon. And no wonder - more money is spent on cosmetics in the world than on space exploration. The Arctic and especially the bottom of the Arctic Ocean is such a place where all sorts of national show-offs show their ridicule. Nobody has been able to create anything significant there so far. The development of the Arctic can be one of the moments from which it will become clear that it is time for humanity to change the paradigm of a consumer society, stop eating, eat and eat more, more, more, tearing a piece from others. To develop such resources as the Arctic and the bottom of the ocean, it is necessary to combine the efforts of all peoples. Too serious technical and purely scientific problems that we do not yet know, let alone solve them. And the paradigm of knowing the world in which we live, the laws of its development and the use of these laws for the benefit of man, is a worthy paradigm of the presence of us all on this planet.
  30. Black
    Black 10 December 2013 11: 44
    +4
    Quote: Canep
    Russia can easily demand independent research, as there are well-grounded political, rather than scientific, motives to lay claim to these territories.


    "Independent" research can be carried out by the Northern Fleet of the Russian Federation, the reviving Arctic power. Maybe blocking with Norway, Denmark, in one to eat such a pie is unlikely to give us.
    1. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 10 December 2013 18: 40
      +3
      And they would all go through the forest! TS to help us and nothing more. The documents are in order, SEVFLOT + ARMY, territorial disputes are resolved and then we will justify everything that is needed.
  31. gleb49
    gleb49 10 December 2013 11: 54
    +5
    Under the "communists" in the 60s in TIKSI there was a regiment of MIG-19. Now the strip is destroyed. There are pests everywhere.
    1. Simon
      Simon 10 December 2013 14: 59
      +4
      Restore, When needed!
    2. Mower
      Mower 13 December 2013 13: 11
      0
      They will restore ...... I know for sure
      1. Yegorchik
        Yegorchik 13 December 2013 14: 06
        0
        Quote: CASTLE
        They will restore ...... I know for sure

        Balabol?
  32. Svyatoslavovich
    Svyatoslavovich 10 December 2013 11: 58
    +7
    Fuck them all over the face, not the shelf.
  33. Ivan Pomidorov
    Ivan Pomidorov 10 December 2013 12: 06
    +5
    Quote: gleb49
    Under the "communists" in the 60s in TIKSI there was a regiment of MIG-19. Now the strip is destroyed. There are pests everywhere.


    In an interview with someone from the military leadership:
    After Father Kotelny, our airfields will be repaired in Vorkuta, in Alykel, in Tiksi, on Cape Schmidt.
    In Tiksi in the first place, it seems like it was voiced.
    1. Hort
      Hort 10 December 2013 13: 30
      +4
      in Alykel, they have been repairing it for three or four years, for sure, if not more. In general, in addition to airports and aerodromes, ports need to be restored and new ones built. The same Dixon, Tiksi and further east
  34. ZU-23
    ZU-23 10 December 2013 12: 10
    +4
    Yes, we are on the drum, this Canada, anyway, if it is something that perspires equally with the Americans, and the Arctic is rightfully our whole life we ​​froze around and around.
  35. IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 10 December 2013 12: 28
    +4
    To avoid such high-profile statements, we urgently need a military base in Ottawa or a transshipment hub in Washington.
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 10 December 2013 18: 32
      +2
      The best air defense system - our tanks at their airfields laughing
  36. shark
    shark 10 December 2013 12: 29
    +2
    Canada was simply given the command - "FAS" So she started barking. It is absolutely clear who is behind this. Let us surrender, we will break down, we will lose the Arctic forever. In any case, it's time to do something with this behind-the-scenes player. They will definitely not give us rest. Here they criticize our arctic shooters. Yes, understand, it's better to do something than just wait .. Let the conscripts, but it's still the sun. And the fact that from time immemorial everything has been done through w ... well, this is not news
  37. nekromonger
    nekromonger 10 December 2013 12: 32
    +4
    the Arctic is ours, and then it turns out that it is Abramovich, Vekselberg, Potanin, etc., like all that was common for some reason became theirs. and you fight ....
    1. IOwTZ
      IOwTZ 10 December 2013 13: 06
      +1
      It's like in a commercial - "Gazprom is a national treasure ........." I would like to add Putkin and Co. http://mr-issue.livejournal.com/46273.html
      1. Luga
        Luga 10 December 2013 14: 40
        +2
        Guys, maybe enough already? I understand if it’s overwhelming and I want to speak, but what does the topic under discussion have to do with it? Are you one of those who are ready to poison the river so that Putin does not go fishing there?
        Minus both recourse
        1. Chertkov Oleg
          Chertkov Oleg 10 December 2013 18: 43
          +1
          Support.
      2. Luga
        Luga 10 December 2013 14: 40
        +1
        Guys, maybe enough already? I understand if it’s overwhelming and I want to speak, but what does the topic under discussion have to do with it? Are you one of those who are ready to poison the river so that Putin does not go fishing there?
        Minus both recourse
  38. LSV
    LSV 10 December 2013 13: 00
    +1
    But Canada has something to put against Russia?
  39. igorgar
    igorgar 10 December 2013 13: 17
    +2
    There are very good photos with the bear. Oh, Pug, to know she is "strong" ...
  40. igorgar
    igorgar 10 December 2013 13: 17
    0
    There are very good photos with the bear. Oh, Pug, to know she is "strong" ...
  41. Hort
    Hort 10 December 2013 13: 28
    +4
    I wonder how long Canadians can fight, provided that the Americans do not want to harness for them? Well, a purely hypothetical question :)
    1. Sergg
      Sergg 10 December 2013 13: 36
      +3
      Now it’s more relevant: how much will the Americans harness themselves if the dollar collapses and ceases to give American sausages and ice cream to American soldiers? And the colossus is on clay feet!
  42. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 10 December 2013 13: 35
    +4
    All this can be very reminiscent of the situation with the New World, when at first the Spaniards took off all the cream, then the French, the Dutch and the Portuguese pulled themselves up, but they defeated the cunning ... British who initially had the weakest positions in America, their tacking policy, hanging noodles on the ears, on the sly, and finally direct robbery, both at sea and on land, literally everyone survived and remained the Tsar of the Mountain themselves. You can even pin the entire North Pole with Russian flags, as the Spaniards did in America, only they don’t it helped, is it not better to pit all these applicants together, and then just finish off the survivors? Or at least clearly define your territory, any invasion of which will be considered a pretext for war. And then all these scientific theories about the belonging of one or another part of the joint venture to any state will turn into nothing when someone takes them rightfully strong.
  43. VADEL
    VADEL 10 December 2013 14: 10
    12
    Gentlemen, Canadians and other hangers-on, chew our banana and calm down
    1. catapractic
      catapractic 10 December 2013 15: 35
      +1
      funny carving laughing and for some hotheads it might be delicious good
    2. Alex toll
      Alex toll 11 December 2013 10: 32
      +1
      ButBut applicants get ...... in line please. They have not yet realized the entire depth of the depths and, what a stupid delay, ..... time - after a fight they don’t wave their fists - our people will throw a couple of poplars there by the summer and that’s all)))))) Only lane ... towards the Arctic and through 15 minutes pigeon mail will deliver hello)

      Photo fire)
  44. ochakow703
    ochakow703 10 December 2013 15: 22
    +6
    Quote: Standard Oil
    You can at least stick the entire North Pole with Russian flags, as the Spaniards did in America, but it didn’t help them.
    Flags are beautiful and good when they are drawn on rockets. Here they also need more to stumble across Our islands. And on Novaya Zemlya, something to tear up, like a kuzkin mother ...
    1. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov 15 December 2013 01: 35
      0
      yes That's right! Shit to them a shovel. And Kuz'kin mother!
  45. WIN969
    WIN969 10 December 2013 16: 10
    +5
    Have we not proved that our shelf?

    The UN Sub-Commission recognized a plot of 52 thousand square meters. km in the middle of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, part of the Russian continental shelf, reports RIA Novosti.

    The decision was made following the meeting of the Russian delegation and the sub-commission created within the framework of the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf to consider the corresponding application of Russia.

    The Russian side submitted additional materials requested earlier by the UN sub-commission.

    “After their analysis, the sub-commission had no doubts about the validity of the Russian submission, which allowed the sub-committee to unanimously agree with the arguments presented and recognize the enclave as part of the Russian continental shelf,” the Ministry of Natural Resources of Russia said.
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    I think the race for the Arctic will be in our favor, since we already have everything for its development, and for the West it will be a disaster, their budget will not survive. We can drag them into this race as when they dragged us into the race for space.
  46. pluginigor
    pluginigor 10 December 2013 16: 52
    +1
    Quote: Volkhov
    The North Pole will certainly be Canadian, you can not even ask - he will come. He was 13500 years ago in Greenland, the angle of rotation of the crust during the Pulsation is about 30 degrees. - just Canada.

    And Alaska belonged to the Russian Empire, so what to make demands for amers to return?
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 10 December 2013 18: 34
      +2
      and California too! good
  47. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 10 December 2013 17: 04
    +4
    But there was a time when the head of our state only had to declare that "the Arctic and northern seas are primordially Russian" and mark the border on the map with a pipe mouthpiece. And after all they swallowed. They hid their "vigorous loaf" and, with their tail between their legs, wiped themselves off.
  48. Lelek
    Lelek 10 December 2013 17: 09
    +4
    Given the current state of our settlements and bases, it is unlikely that we will be able to seriously stake out on the territory of the Arctic Ocean. It is necessary and very urgent to restore and strengthen all our northern bases, and the diplomatic corps needs to be more decisive and less deployed. Otherwise, trouble soldier
  49. typhoon7
    typhoon7 10 December 2013 17: 26
    +4
    We need to keep the Arctic in any way, without options. Weakness, and after the civilian component of the West, the military will crawl there. it is unacceptable.
  50. silver_roman
    silver_roman 10 December 2013 17: 41
    +3
    well, koneeyechno ... Putin did not let Syria break apart and thereby retained his ally in the Middle East, Putin took first place in the Forbse rating, Putin turned Ukraine and Armenia towards the CU, putting the EU on the shoulder, set the EAC in motion, etc. etc., but Putin will calmly give Canada ("... to the great and mighty Canada, the lord of the seas and oceans, the ruler of all continents") the entire Arctic ...

    I wonder if Canadians really believe this? or just someone needs to "twitch" the Russians, or as noted correctly in the article: "
    heating the "democratic masses" in the West.
    "

    In short, a complete misunderstanding!