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Between the call and the contract. Young people are asked to make a choice - a year or two years of military service.

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Between the call and the contract. Young people are asked to make a choice - a year or two years of military service.The Ministry of Defense prepared and submitted to the government a draft law on the selection of the term of service. Young people are invited to decide for themselves - or they will serve one year for conscription, or two, but in completely different conditions under the contract. Experts note that there is logic in this decision. But there are drawbacks.


Dali choose

The Russian defense ministry has sent a bill to the government on the selection of service life for conscripts, Deputy Defense Minister Nikolai Pankov said on Friday.

“We gave young people the opportunity to choose whether to serve a conscript for a year or a contract for two years,” ITAR-TASS quoted Pankov as saying.

“We have prepared a draft law, coordinated it with all interested ministries and departments. We also received all the necessary conclusions and conducted a formal examination, ”he added.

In Russia, an ordinary person with a length of service up to two years now receives, under a contract per month, 20 thousand rubles (17 thousand 400, if income tax is taken into account). A junior sergeant with a length of service from two to five years receives 38 thousand. 350 rubles (33 thousand. 365 rubles - with taxes).

Usually, the first contract (for already completed military service) is for three years with a trial period of three months.

As previously reported in the media, a new military service regime was introduced for contract servicemen from 27 in November: from 9.00 to 18.00. In addition, for contractors are going to shorten the term of entry into the mortgage.

Experts are sure that there will be those who wish to sign a contract for two years instead of a year of urgent service.

“But still, in the first six months, these contractors will objectively be in the position of a soldier,” said Viktor Litovkin, executive editor of the Independent Military Review. “Because they will have to master some primary army skills, be trained in a particular specialty.” I am not very sure that they will be immediately accepted to the specialty in which they have already been taught, if there is one at all. ”

And only six months later, according to Litovkin, these people will find themselves in the position of contractors: “This is a strictly regulated time in the service, and they will probably live in a hostel, and have free time, go to the city after work, receive 20 with something thousand rubles a month instead of 2 thousand, which the recruit receives, "- he explained.

Litovkin also added that he was present at the event on Friday, where Deputy Minister of Defense Pankov talked about choosing terms of service for conscripts, and asked the latter a question.

“I asked: will there be an opportunity to enroll in military schools after a year of service? He said that this question is still being worked out, there is no answer yet, ”noted Litovkin.

True, ITAR-TASS gives a slightly different answer to the general: “In my opinion, the young man should work for some time and then go to a military college,” said Pankov, adding that “while doing this, of course, we must take it into account motivation.

Speaking about the advantages of a two-year contract service, Viktor Litovkin noted that the monetary allowance plays an important role here.

“You multiply 20 with something thousand by 24 of a month - a contract soldier will earn that much in two years. We are not all Muscovites and St. Petersburg people. And for the guys from, let's say, the middle band, this will be a good help. I think they will go to serve without much difficulty, especially if after the service they still can’t stop, for example, meeting a girl, ”the expert concluded.

In turn, the coordinator of the public initiative "Citizen and the Army" Sergei Krivenko told the VIEW newspaper that for the time being the idea voiced is only an initiative, but in general there is logic in it.

“All this is connected with the formation of a contract army,” he noted. - By the way, we, human rights activists, have long come forward with the idea of ​​making a contract differentiated. That is, you can offer potential recruits different packages: for example, a contract for a year, for two, for three with different money allowances, different guarantees. This will help to take into account the interests of both the recruit and the Ministry of Defense. ”

At the same time, according to the expert, in the conditions of mixed recruitment of the army in the same military units, conscripts and contract servicemen remain, which leads to violence.

“This happens because people have a very different status and, as a result, a different attitude of the authorities. A person who has signed a contract for three years - he is more important, and a draftee who came for a year - this, as they say, bring-bring, you can kick him, etc. I exaggerate a little, but I want to say that all need to do the same. Including the conscript must sign a contract with the conditions in which he is serving. ”

Krivenko also said that in different countries the situation with the recruitment of the army and contract servicemen is very different. But as an example, he cited Germany, where "there is also a certain scale with different conditions in terms of service life and money allowances."

But the former chief of armaments of the Russian Armed Forces, Colonel-General Anatoly Sitnov, retired, criticized the new initiative of the Ministry of Defense.

“I do not support. I believe that there is a general law for all, there is world practice. And if a decision is made that they should serve, then everyone should serve, regardless of how much money you have, etc., ”he noted. # {Weapon}

According to Sitnova, someone in the new situation will go to the contract, if "he has nowhere to go."

“But I have always negatively reacted to any initiatives on the alternative service and the performance of my military duty. I believe that it is necessary by law to fix one specific period of service without any options. Because any alternative is a loophole to get out of the way, ”he concluded.

Recall that in September it was reported that the Russian military department thought about changing the law “On Military Duty and Military Service” and the possibility for young people to choose how much to serve them: either go to a contract or be called upon.

This proposal provoked some support among public activists and human rights defenders. In particular, on the part of the commission on civil-military relations of the presidential Human Rights Council.

Later, the Justice Ministry checked and did not find anything corrupt in the proposal to choose the term of service in the army.

Call or contract

AiF recalls that the institution of military service under the contract appeared in the days of the new Russia. And from the beginning of 90's, the idea of ​​a full transition to a contract was often discussed in the public space from time to time.

However, in reality, the number of applicants for such a service has never been particularly high.

It was then that the scheme began to be practiced, according to which the soldiers-conscripts, after completing six months of service, were offered a contract for three years, and it was emphasized that the first six months of military service would go to his credit. Thanks to this method, a lot of soldiers were attracted to the contract service.

But then there were difficulties. Many conscripts agreed to the contract solely for the sake of improving living conditions and, at the end of their life, they tried to break it. Secondly, the professional qualities of many such contractors left much to be desired. Thirdly, inflation very soon made the salaries of contract soldiers low, they almost began to leave the armed forces en masse. Influenced their unwillingness to serve and the war in Chechnya.

At the beginning of the new century, with a significant increase in the monetary allowance and the provision of a number of social benefits to contract servicemen, interest in such a service increased again.

And according to the plans of the military, by the year 2017 the number of servicemen in the contract service in Russia should reach the number of 425 thousand people against the current 205 thousand.

However, this group of military personnel still does not satisfy all the needs of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

As head of the department Sergei Shoigu said in November of this year, the Russian army will never be fully contractual.

We add that the conscription system is still preserved in Russia, Israel, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Austria, North Korea and several other countries.

But most of the countries - and this is the trend of the last decades - are being transferred to the contract army. This could include the United States, the United Kingdom, and Germany, which recently announced this, and Ukraine, which refused the call from 2014 of the year. In certain countries, a mixed system is practiced. In particular, it operates during the transition period from a call to a contract army, which, as a rule, has been everywhere for at least several years.
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  1. A.YARY
    A.YARY 8 December 2013 10: 28
    11
    Idea is not bad.Every very good!
    If you add to her the work of recruitment in orphanages .....
    And upon the fact of the service to send (at the request of course) to special schools ....
    Overall there is a field for work!
    1. Civil
      Civil 8 December 2013 10: 39
      +9
      Kazakhs are just handsome, as they advertise:
      1. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 9 December 2013 09: 38
        0
        I absolutely support this idea.

        All these stories seem to be contract soldiers because of money and as if in the event of war they will "throw" the country with empty delirium.

        Firstly, money is a good incentive to draw a recruit into the army when he doesn’t know anything, secondly, to know a profession well, you need to be in it for a long time, the contract contributes to this, the technique is not a tablet, you need to study it, and fill your hand in control.

        And in general, a contract is a respect for a soldier, if a country respects its soldier, provides him with everything that contributes to his fighting spirit, salary, equipment, food, equipment, ammunition, which soldier will not fight with pleasure, and when the soldier sweeps the parade ground more what shoots, paints curbs instead of exercises, is malnourished, rarely controls old equipment, shoots a little from it, because there is no ammunition, what kind of respect is that ?!

        Everyone remembers the First World War and the revolution that followed? Toto, they did not give a damn about the army, and they were offended, if then the sailors and soldiers did not revolt, the revolution would have died in the bud, the same offended then fought "white", went over to the side of the Germans during the Second World War. Although they are traitors, I do not consider them cowards.

        So Putin is doing the right thing, supplying everything as new as possible, albeit in small quantities, conducting mass exercises, increasing staffing levels. ammunition for firing, soon get a warrior with all the equipment, they’re about to introduce a contract, I envy you smile
    2. Turik
      Turik 8 December 2013 12: 13
      14
      18 Mowers a month? 18 year old guy? Damn well they didn’t move before, maybe I would go. Now, most recruits believe (including myself) that a year of service is a waste of time. And so, after 2 years on budget grubs, you can return home with 400 thousand. For starters, more than enough.
      1. BLIZNEC78
        BLIZNEC78 8 December 2013 13: 06
        -9
        just do not forget that for room and board (lunch) there are deductions, feed. you will dress and shoe yourself
        and what ultimately (per month) will remain on hand?
        1. clidon
          clidon 8 December 2013 13: 28
          +5
          Live in barracks or surcharges for housing. They feed for free, the form is free.
        2. admrall
          admrall 8 December 2013 15: 25
          +2
          Quote: BLIZNEC78
          just do not forget that for room and board (lunch) there are deductions, feed. you will dress and shoe yourself
          and what ultimately (per month) will remain on hand?

          In the army, food ration is a separate allowance, no one will wipe the salary, but if you take money instead of rations, then you will eat at your own expense.
          1. servant
            servant 8 December 2013 17: 10
            0
            Do not write nonsense, rations have been paid for a long time in a salary, food has lagged behind in the Air Force and navy and not for all categories, in remote areas extra allowance is issued.
            Tmak what only for their ...
            1. Felix200970
              Felix200970 8 December 2013 22: 28
              0
              Quote: Servant
              Do not write nonsense, rations have been paid for a long time in a salary, food has lagged behind in the Air Force and navy and not for all categories, in remote areas extra allowance is issued. Tmak what only for their ...

              A priori "rations" cannot be attributed to monetary satisfaction. The budgets are different and are charged according to different governing documents, and the services are different. Even in the Soviet army, a private received a monetary allowance of 5 rubles and 2 rubles a tobacco allowance. They all served, and everyone remembers about 7 rubles in a heap (By the way, in groups of troops, DD was issued separately, and tobacco ration or sugar in exchange for it). And the fact that it was two different payments is remembered only by specialists.
          2. Max_Bauder
            Max_Bauder 9 December 2013 09: 22
            0
            In any case, getting money is better than not getting it.

            Even in the tsarist army there were salaries, otherwise it turns out like slaves.
        3. Chertkov Oleg
          Chertkov Oleg 8 December 2013 16: 48
          +1
          However, Mr. mowed, if you do not know the simplest terms of service of a contractor.
        4. Felix200970
          Felix200970 8 December 2013 22: 20
          +1
          Quote: BLIZNEC78
          just do not forget that for room and board (lunch) there are deductions, feed. Will you dress and shoe yourself and what will be left on hand (per month)?

          And here you are wrong. Monetary allowance is one of the few types of security provided by the state. Clothing allowances are still supplied to the army in kind. Food provision is different in different countries, as well as housing allowance. If you are not in the subject then try not to "blurt out" on this forum
      2. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 8 December 2013 15: 05
        10
        Quote: Turik
        you can return home with 400 thousand

        Under a small condition. Do not drink, do not smoke, do not hang around girls, do not buy cool cell phones and tablets. Weak?
        1. Chertkov Oleg
          Chertkov Oleg 8 December 2013 16: 50
          +6
          There are a lot of temptations, the young guy cannot resist, and he will be known as a miser, and the men's team is rich in interesting "incidents".
      3. not main
        not main 8 December 2013 22: 09
        +1
        A contract with a young man? For two years to make a soldier out of him and still pay? Tantamount to a freshman student postgraduate scholarship! Without a guarantee that he will study at all!
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 8 December 2013 12: 15
      +7
      Quote: A.YARY
      The idea is not bad. Even very good! If you add to it the work of recruitment in orphanages .....

      When the state will raise the prestige of the Army, when the new elite will turn to face the country and the children of Deripaska, Usmanov, Vekselberg will go to serve. Then it will not be necessary to lure.
      And now it’s really only to type in orphanages.
      True, the movement to improve technical support has begun, but then we must take from the institutes and not everyone who wants to.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 8 December 2013 12: 33
        10
        Quote: APASUS
        children of Deripaska, Usmanov, Vekselberg will go to serve.


        It remains to be specified in the army of which country. hi
        1. S-200
          S-200 8 December 2013 12: 38
          +6
          Quote: Vadivak
          Quote: APASUS
          children of Deripaska, Usmanov, Vekselberg will go to serve.


          It remains to be specified in the army of which country. hi

          in no army in the world will their children serve
          people from certain social strata come to serve in the army ... and just don’t say anything about the English princes! - it is NOT MORE than a competent PR of the British crown ..
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 8 December 2013 14: 53
            +7
            Quote: S-200
            in any army of the world their children will not serve; people from certain social strata go to serve in the army ... and just don’t say anything about the English princes! - it is NOT MORE than a competent PR of the British crown ..

            To me the life of the English princes on the drum - although this is one of the elements of popularizing service in the sun.
            In not quite the old days, Vasily Filippovich Margelov put his son in the centaur’s newly tested landing system. And in Soviet times, I can name the names of generals and officials whose children served, and now the government excuses the Minister of Defense of the Thief and who wants to serve in such an army ?? ?
            1. complete zero
              complete zero 8 December 2013 15: 32
              +5
              Eternal memory of "Uncle Vasya" and glory to the troops he created!
            2. Felix200970
              Felix200970 8 December 2013 22: 37
              0
              Quote: APASUS
              To me the life of the English princes on the drum - although this is one of the elements of popularizing service in the sun.

              The English princes, by the way, are military officers. The oldest officers of the fleet (I mean the prince of the consort), and the two junior army officers. I am most impressed by the youngest - Garik. Somehow it painfully Slavic blood plays a lot in it. And do not grunt vodka, company, Afghan laughing
          2. Felix200970
            Felix200970 8 December 2013 22: 31
            +3
            Quote: S-200
            people from certain social strata come to serve in the army ...

            The sons of Stalin (all), Mikoyan, Khrushchev and the whole Politburo served ...
          3. Max_Bauder
            Max_Bauder 9 December 2013 13: 40
            0
            But what about the Battle of Balaclava?
      2. Christian
        Christian 8 December 2013 14: 50
        +3
        Deripaska children, etc. to serve in the Russian army, at least as if they didn’t go, they are Russophobes without a flag and homeland ... and the idea of ​​choosing is excellent.
      3. Chertkov Oleg
        Chertkov Oleg 8 December 2013 17: 06
        +3
        Quote: APASUS
        Quote: A.YARY
        The idea is not bad. Even very good! If you add to it the work of recruitment in orphanages .....

        When the state will raise the prestige of the Army, when the new elite will turn to face the country and the children of Deripaska, Usmanov, Vekselberg will go to serve. Then it will not be necessary to lure.
        And now it’s really only to type in orphanages.
        True, the movement to improve technical support has begun, but then we must take from the institutes and not everyone who wants to.

        If their fathers were patriots, not hucksters, then their kids would ask to serve. It is not the state to blame for the appearance of rotten "golden" youth, and the fathers who do not see the shores of the Motherland. And the time of such fathers will come, when their own children will rush them. Or daddy and momma are already burying their offspring after coke, alka. etc. When I was called up, I went to serve without regret, for if I did not serve, either it was painful or oblique or worn out, not comme il faut as that, and all four older brothers served. They offered to serve near the house, refused, ended up in the PV on the Kuriles, and got to know himself, and saw the world, I still remember.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 8 December 2013 18: 14
          +1
          Quote: Oleg Chertkov
          If their fathers were patriots, not hucksters, then their kids would ask to serve. It is not the state to blame for the appearance of rotten "golden" youth, and the fathers who do not see the shores of the Motherland.

          Isn't the state shaping the views of its people? Ideology, if you want, moral values, personality formation and education?
          The state withdrew from its functions in the 90s and this place was quickly taken by bandits, thieves and prostitutes. And now in the place of the Molo-Mayan formation of at least some kind of ideology, national idea - this place has been given to money!
          Become rich at all costs - this is a modern ideology, children who do not set moral values ​​for themselves, grow up as stupid consumers and THIS IS NOT ONLY IN RICH RICH families !!!!!!!!!!!
          1. Max_Bauder
            Max_Bauder 9 December 2013 13: 46
            0
            Tell the truth.

            For some reason, Mujahideen are quickly recruiting.
        2. observer
          observer 8 December 2013 21: 56
          0
          Keep it up, comrade!
    4. atalef
      atalef 8 December 2013 12: 36
      +5
      Quote: A.YARY
      The idea is not bad. Even very good! If you add to it the work of recruitment in orphanages ..... And send the service upon request (of course, if you wish

      And how then will the Russian army be different from the American? Also, a service for money, of course, the most unsecured sections of the population will go, but it seems to me that for 5 years (as in America) a soldier is somehow easier to train than for 2 years. In my opinion a waste of money (especially if both will serve in one unit)
      A year of service - conscript - with the modern level of technology - just laughter, 2 years for money - the same thing, only more expensive.
      1. clidon
        clidon 8 December 2013 13: 02
        +3
        You might think that sneaked layers go there now. )
    5. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 8 December 2013 16: 10
      0
      Quote: A.YARY
      Idea is not bad.Every very good!


      Yes, an idea. The choice is illusory according to the principle "the collective farm is voluntary, but the cow will have to be given." Here the whole system needs to be completely changed. People have enough time to take away.
      1. Chertkov Oleg
        Chertkov Oleg 8 December 2013 17: 20
        +4
        Quote: Geisenberg
        Quote: A.YARY
        Idea is not bad.Every very good!


        Yes, an idea. The choice is illusory according to the principle "the collective farm is voluntary, but the cow will have to be given." Here the whole system needs to be completely changed. People have enough time to take away.

        And not so long ago, the guys served just like that, this is HOW to explain? But all those who served on arrival at home did not have a suitcase with money, but simply a parade, a demobilization album and gifts for their relatives, and they were the very first guys in the village, city, village. In Afghanistan, the Shuravi are still remembered and praised, even by the Taliban, in the good sense of the word. It is an honor to serve and defend the homeland, but the state also gives decent allowance. I sent my son to study in the cadet corps after the 4th grade, now he is already studying at the military academy in Voronezh. Like this.
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 8 December 2013 19: 40
          -1
          Quote: Oleg Chertkov
          And not so long ago, the guys served just like that, how to explain this?


          What is it ? Yes, just like a seized tripper.

          Quote: Oleg Chertkov
          Serves
          Ь
          Quote: Oleg Chertkov
          and it is an honor to defend the homeland, but the state also gives decent allowance. I sent my son to study in the cadet corps ...


          Yes, the donkey is also said to be loaded for beauty, they say it is very sad. Serving should be healthy people and, above all, adequate, in turn, the service should be a service and not an I.D.O.T.P.M.O.M.

          For the normal functioning of the army, it is not necessary to arrange a nudge nationwide. It is enough to think over how much, whom and how.
          1. not main
            not main 8 December 2013 22: 17
            0
            Is it interesting that at least one military unit was near your place of residence?
      2. Felix200970
        Felix200970 8 December 2013 22: 47
        0
        Quote: Geisenberg
        The choice is illusory according to the principle "the collective farm is voluntary, but the cow will have to be given."

        That's right, because the cow cub needs to correct her eyesight for some elementary things. And the fact that the service is divided into urgent and contract is also correct. It is only necessary to begin with the provision on the passage of service as privates and sergeants to correctly register. Divide the military units into completing "contract soldiers" after the first year of service and units that are preparing for service in these units. They can and should be staffed with both conscripts and contract soldiers of the first year of service.
    6. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 8 December 2013 16: 23
      +7
      I visited a nightclub in the century, I was horrified by it, and it’s our future. I’m young myself, but I haven’t seen such freaks for a long time.
    7. Interface
      Interface 8 December 2013 19: 05
      -1
      In short, they will soon serve completely for money. Nobody is going to defend their homeland, so we will attract for money. Good approach.
      "Everything is fine", the army is becoming like a different rabble of semi-literate youths from the provinces (yes, that is so, many of the oaths cannot be read), and freedom-loving kraakl from the center, who were sent to the army for the scruff, through cries, they say, "I'm afraid , me there in the ass * e * t ".
      What is the result?
      Most of those who come from the army believe that "they just lost a year, but in civilian life more could be earned."

      Rhetorical question: "If there is war tomorrow?" If tomorrow is a war, why will young people be killed and killed? But there is not enough money for everyone ...
      1. Reasonable, 2,3
        Reasonable, 2,3 8 December 2013 23: 14
        0
        Have you won the war for grandmas?
    8. yurii p
      yurii p 8 December 2013 21: 29
      0
      "The idea is not bad. It is even very good!
      If we add to it the work of recruiting in orphanages. ".... the only thing I regret is that in my time there was no such choice, but maybe that's why the USSR was a superpower, so all this is still unknown how it will affect combat effectiveness, until now only The army was capable, in spite of the useless power, especially the last minister Serdyukov and his women's battalion were impressed.
  2. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 8 December 2013 10: 31
    +1
    Well, a good idea. It is worth working out, doing an experiment of 2 years, and there it will be seen. However hazing remained an undecided problem. How much dough will be cut down.
    1. avt
      avt 8 December 2013 11: 25
      +6
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Well, a good idea. It is worth working out, doing an experiment of 2 years, and there it will be seen

      request And what will be seen? For a long time, and not only here, it is clear "that a contract soldier should serve at least 5 years. By the way, after the war in the USSR they decided how long to serve in the navy and offered 5 years of urgent service, but they decided that it was too much.
      Quote: makarov
      Would do as in Germany, did not serve in the army, to hell with you and not a career in life ..

      Something similar happened with us, so reserve officers, when they entered certain institutions, were sent to serve for a year. But in general, not a well thought out initiative. Here it would be necessary to propose a scheme not just for increasing the service life, but for selection. Well, like after an urgent for an extra urgent, then a contract. But it's like you have to work with people! Not like meat. It's real to strain so that they get their "bonus" in the army and in civilian life.
      Quote: A.YARY
      If you add to her the work of recruitment in orphanages ..

      Well, this principle has not been lost, or rather, it was broken into small components by departments, earlier it was on a larger scale within the framework of DOSAAF. Everything was hiding there, like the Chekists in the society of "Fishermen and Hunters"
      1. A.YARY
        A.YARY 8 December 2013 12: 24
        0
        avt
        Everything was hiding there, like the Chekists in the society of "Fishermen and Hunters"

        Eeeeh! "Old men are robbers" ...

        But lads sho went on tse business will be taken to institutes for free? I would take it.And as the Supreme to get drunk on this?
        1. avt
          avt 8 December 2013 16: 37
          +1
          Quote: A.YARY
          will be taken to institutes for free?
          Earlier, we had exemptions from the guys expelled after the first year, after the army they got into preparatory and restored. But with paid education, there must be some kind of certificate for education, maybe for admission without exams and paying for the year until it gets involved. There must be some kind of option.
    2. sashka
      sashka 8 December 2013 11: 42
      +1
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      undecided

      Nobody canceled the letter "e" It's just a part of Our culture
    3. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 8 December 2013 17: 25
      0
      Com units, company, platoon - everyone sees and knows about the unrest in the unit. It can only be eradicated by introducing responsibility for HIDDEN the fact of hazing. They themselves will then be searched. You can still treat in combat conditions, but God forbid.
  3. makarov
    makarov 8 December 2013 10: 35
    +6
    Of course, there is a choice: - gingerbread, or the floor of the gingerbread ....
    Would do as in Germany, did not serve in the army, to hell with you and not a career in life ..
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 8 December 2013 10: 53
      +5
      When such ideas appear, the question involuntarily arises: did their authors serve in the army of Urfin Juce? yes
      A military contract is a life choice that must be made after urgent service. On general grounds, so to speak.
      Are you interested in the military relations in the unit where some young warriors serve and study for "free", live in barracks, and other guys (smart) do it all for money and live in an apartment?
      And then they were tired of pulling the service, they scored on it, and on dismissal.
      And the military commanders, they say, will not let them quit; they will leave them to continue serving. AND who needs such servants? Yes and find a way to quit, sick, crazy and commanders will not mind - for hell do they need?
      Money (good) makes sense to pay, as in any business, only to qualified specialists.
      1. clidon
        clidon 8 December 2013 11: 12
        0
        The task is to recruit 400 thousand contractors. So they decide how they can. And paying even more money will not work.
        1. alone
          alone 8 December 2013 21: 01
          0
          The Russian defense ministry has sent a bill to the government on the selection of service life for conscripts, Deputy Defense Minister Nikolai Pankov said on Friday.


          Young people who grew up on pop and McDonald's are unlikely to go to serve. This is clear and true. The part that remains for the Motherland remains with the country. It is the country that rests on them. And the country's prosperity and defense will depend on the number of such.
          1. clidon
            clidon 8 December 2013 22: 50
            +1
            First of all, that part will go which has nowhere to go (no work, education), but money and an apartment are needed. Actually, the whole system is designed to stimulate such a person, to serve as long as possible, increasing salaries and paying for an apartment.
      2. Chertkov Oleg
        Chertkov Oleg 8 December 2013 17: 35
        0
        My friend served like that, in a simple way. I fought with the contractors all the time, and one with a bunch, and the friends then helped, damaged my health, but did not bend, I respect. Double basses are mixed in mixed parts. It is necessary to form parts.
    2. Orik
      Orik 8 December 2013 11: 30
      0
      Quote: makarov
      Would do as in Germany, did not serve in the army, to hell with you and not a career in life ..

      I'm afraid with the "development" of our economy, and the world one, a career in life shines for few ...
    3. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 8 December 2013 13: 06
      -1
      Moreover, propose to build a local "Auschwitz", and to drive all those you don't like there.
      Complete nishtyak then come to the country.
      Already passed, but apparently the story does not teach anything.
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 December 2013 10: 52
    +3
    As head of the department Sergei Shoigu said in November of this year, the Russian army will never be fully contractual.

    I agree here! And contractors are needed! The Army receives new modern weapons! The conscripts are unlikely to master it so quickly. And even today the officer looked at the "star" correctly said:
    "Previously, under the contract, they went mainly to earn money .. Now a wave has gone to those who go to serve at the call of the soul! And it pleases .. (I remembered the dashing 90 = f .. the women were afraid to wear a uniform when they returned home .. that's where the humiliation was) So everything seems to be okay guys (if it weren't for the Serdyukovs am ...)
    1. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 8 December 2013 17: 45
      +1
      He served 92-94, they didn’t wear uniforms only from patrols, they were snooping about. I had to get from Sakhalin to the Krasnoyarsk Territory, everyone was afraid to pass Khabarovsk by train, there was just a transfer. We were lucky, in Sakhalin we boarded the "humpback" and to Novosib without any problems, except for the burp and fall from the second tier ... Himself after "yesterday" doh, only mineral water, horror. On the train from Novosib I changed into a parade, all the kids in the carriage were spinning around me, feeling badges, uniforms, and at home they were welcome! In Siberia it was so, where otherwise I did not hear.
    2. kare
      kare 8 December 2013 21: 23
      0
      Serdyukov count, the first thing
      1. alone
        alone 8 December 2013 21: 58
        0
        Quote: kare
        Serdyukov count, the first thing


        They don’t put their own on the stake. Unless they conditionally sit down or get off with a fine)) do not expect more !! article then negligence
  5. svp67
    svp67 8 December 2013 10: 53
    +8
    Of course, everything needs to be tried, but I believe that it is necessary to act here a little differently. Six months of the training part, to prepare a shooter for everyone, is MANDATORY and only based on the results of this training, let the guy decide where and how to serve him - another six months ON THE CALL, the shooter or ONE AND A half YEAR by contract, by any other profession, and the opinion of the command here will not be amiss ...
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 8 December 2013 12: 11
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Six months of study

      In my very practical suggestion.
  6. Altona
    Altona 8 December 2013 11: 22
    +3
    Compared to the conditions in the Soviet army, it’s almost a paradise ... A regulated working day gives a decent monetary allowance, which, given the free uniform and food in the dining room, can be saved almost completely ... New equipment arrives, no need to suffer from junk (maybe not everywhere, really) ... For example, I liked such conditions ...
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 8 December 2013 12: 26
      -1
      This is not paradise, but recruitment to hell.
  7. treskoed
    treskoed 8 December 2013 11: 27
    +3
    No matter how "ballast" is obtained for two years. He seems to be no longer a conscript (he will start pumping the right) and for two years (without a deadline) he can’t reach a professional contractor, especially when serving from 9.00 to 18.00!
    1. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 8 December 2013 17: 53
      0
      Any salary must be worked out. Who will look at them, not vocational schools, but the army
      1. treskoed
        treskoed 8 December 2013 19: 58
        0
        Quote: Oleg Chertkov
        Any salary must be worked out. Who will look at them, not vocational schools, but the army

        About fornication with MEN will be watching, a committee of soldiers' mothers, father of the regimental ... There is no time to work out a salary ... The rule of law however ...
    2. servant
      servant 8 December 2013 18: 14
      0
      But who will give him from 9 to 18? Officers from thirteen to eighteen and contract soldiers 8 hours a day and two days off?
  8. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 8 December 2013 11: 40
    +5
    Where are my eighteen years old.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 8 December 2013 11: 48
      +2
      quote-In Russia, now an ordinary with a length of service of up to two years receives 20 thousand rubles per month per contract (17 thousand 400, taking into account income tax). A junior sergeant with a length of service from two to five years receives 38 thousand 350 rubles (33 thousand 365 rubles - with taxes).

      infographics
      Dynamics of growth of monetary allowances for contract servicemen
    2. sspd
      sspd 8 December 2013 12: 25
      0
      And don’t say, subscribe.
  9. VADEL
    VADEL 8 December 2013 11: 54
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Of course, everything needs to be tried, but I believe that it is necessary to act here a little differently. Six months of the training part, to prepare a shooter for everyone, is MANDATORY and only based on the results of this training, let the guy decide where and how to serve him - another six months ON THE CALL, the shooter or ONE AND A half YEAR by contract, by any other profession, and the opinion of the command here will not be amiss ...

    Totally agree with you. BUT! As in most cases it happens with us, the idea is good, everything is correct and beautiful on paper, even funding is provided, it comes to implementation and EVERYTHING. Everything slowly fades, dies, turns into complete hemorrhoids.
  10. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 8 December 2013 11: 56
    -1
    The main thing in all such undertakings is the result.
    How it will depend now on how well the law will be thought out (so that there are no net, with such opportunities it is simply a shame).
    But in general, the idea is even very good. good
    Quote: chunga-changa
    Where are my eighteen years old.
  11. QWERTY
    QWERTY 8 December 2013 11: 58
    0
    the idea is damp, but in the right direction, let people have a choice.
  12. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 December 2013 12: 03
    +2
    That’s what is alarming is that there are a bunch of foreign cars near the border control posts .. (I always try to see at least one IFV or an armored personnel carrier ... no!) If something happens, how will they be protected ..? (I'm silent about civilians ..)
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 8 December 2013 12: 58
      0
      The question is your proper border protection is our headache (hence the penetration of infections such as illegal immigrants and drug trafficking affecting the whole body), but this question should not be asked here for ordinary people, it’s better to ask the president and the prime minister they are directly responsible for this.
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 8 December 2013 13: 30
        0
        Well, if something happens we’ll fight off ourselves .. (but in general a part will be relocated here like ..) the missiles are serious ..
      2. Chertkov Oleg
        Chertkov Oleg 8 December 2013 18: 11
        0
        But human people serving at border crossings, and the police and citizens who know about drug dealers and do nothing - are not ANSWERED? Only Putin and the government are to blame for the fact that we have garbage in our yards, it turns out like this! He rode on the train after a tour to Manzhuria, a border guard sergeant in a civilian coat was sitting next to him, bragging about a presented Chinese phone for some minor service. I would have strangled him (the border guard himself), but he safely ate 0,5 under the table and passed out safely. Everyone should be responsible in their place according to their responsibilities. And not just the top.
  13. Massik
    Massik 8 December 2013 12: 15
    +2
    Everything, as usual, rests against the "adequacy" of the certification commission, the future contract soldier in six months KMB must pass all tests for admission - fizuh, shooting and tactics as the main ones, and strictly, but in fact, since there are few contract soldiers, they take all sorts of infirmities and dunce , since the plan must be fulfilled. So it will be here, every 3 months there should be a bullpen with a clear selection, which should weed out all the "sick", "weakened", etc., etc. In fact, to weed them out, so no one is eager to serve especially, especially with education, only 18-year-old boobies (as I did in my time laughing ) so they leave the "goldaten" in the service - "Let him serve, since there is no one else." The attractiveness of the service depends primarily on the personal goal of the conscript, on the team, commanders, and their relationship to the soldier.
  14. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 8 December 2013 12: 36
    0
    I will add to what I said above.
    It would be nice to take into account the profession that a person has already managed to get in civilian life, and not stick him anywhere on the principle "just to plug the hole."
    This deprives any incentive to the service and causes disgust for it (personal experience), and also greatly affects the quality of work if only the day has passed, and the thought of how much more I have to pull this bagpipe.
    And vice versa, when you do your favorite thing, time flies by.
    Enough to produce "paper" specialists, it's time to grow real ones.
  15. rubin6286
    rubin6286 8 December 2013 12: 37
    +3
    Let's tell the truth. During the year of service of a conscript soldier, it is impossible to teach masterful handling of modern military equipment, not only because this period is extremely short, but also for a number of other reasons that the Defense Ministry is bashfully silent, because it itself gave birth to them.
    An attempt to lure him into military service with money will not lead to anything good. In Soviet times, in certain types of armed forces and military branches, it was full of people who came not to serve, but "to live sweetly and earn a pension at 45." This primarily affected combat readiness and combat training, military service, issues of combat and rear support, fraud and formalism, nepotism and protectionism, mockery and mockery of elders in rank and position over the younger ones, demagogically concealed by the concept of "hazing" reigned. I must say that we have not got rid of all this even now.
    Today, people who have passed military service on conscription do not go to contract service for patriotic reasons, but because of the impossibility to realize themselves in the conditions of civil life, the prevailing conditions in the country of general collapse, corruption, hopelessness and uncertainty. The army is not only Moscow and St. Petersburg. In a number of regions, the living conditions of military towns leave much to be desired. Problems "above the roof" and they are not solved. That is why some contractors leave after the expiration of the contract, others, roughly speaking, “dump” without waiting for its end. There is no hope that at a difficult time for the Fatherland these people will protect us. They simply scatter, turning into an uncontrollable herd, not wanting to substitute their heads, even if not very smart, but still. The prestige of military service as a sacred duty to protect the homeland fell. It is no longer surprising that every year the ranks of the "deviators" multiply. Some of them openly declare that they do not want to serve, because “They don’t see enemies and they are not in danger.” Often, parents indulge them, law enforcement agencies do not give a proper legal assessment. The emergence of countless universities and the possibility of paid education in them, combined with the provisions of the current legislation, allows today to legally evade military service, hiding behind a system of deferrals from conscription.
    Does the state not see what is happening and take no measures to change the situation. In my opinion, everyone knows what needs to be done and how, but they don’t do it, because there is someone who pays not to do so. The time will come and our great-grandchildren will find out who paid, how much and to whom, how our children learned, that Lenin made a revolution with German money and much more ... ..
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 8 December 2013 12: 47
      +1
      It is just possible to teach, if one is engaged in learning, and not with any garbage like economic work and other nonsense.
      As for the money, here I think it is precisely what we need to do.
      But it is worth remembering that the service is not an uncle on the uncle, and force the soldiers to give all their best to protect the country.
      Or are you for free labor in our country?
      1. rubin6286
        rubin6286 8 December 2013 16: 14
        0
        Wanderer! The life of the garrisons is not the same as it is shown in the movies, if you watch films and is not at all the same as in the US Army. That is why we have "household jobs and other nonsense." If a soldier doesn't do it, no one else will do it in the military town. Alas, this is reality. And the soldier injects "not for his uncle," but for his beloved state. A soldier does his best not for money, but, paradoxically, for an idea. But today there is no idea! Most do not serve, but work under contract as a soldier, warrant officer, officer.
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 8 December 2013 17: 34
          +2
          You can’t tell me about life, I saw it and completely drank it.
          And to live on what means.
          And for lunch, eat a slice in the form of wood glue with roasting of cracklings with unburnt bristles.
          And wear a form sewn with rotten threads from a fabric tearing for all sorts of trifles.
          And shoes that go to pieces after a month of socks.
          And the fathers-commanders tell you that in the training we will not teach you anything, because the material base has not been updated since the times of Tsar Pea, and you will go to the combat unit with a "paper" specialist.
          And if war happens in battle, you will learn, but you will not learn so and there is no need to teach you.
          But the Idea from all rushing, already not in any gate does not climb.
          I do not want and do not want the younger generations to serve in the same way, so that they walk in rags, eat slops, plow for free under the idea of ​​"for the good of the homeland", but in fact, because it costs someone dear.
          And in the event of war they knew how to fight, and not on paper.
          And they were able to defeat the enemy, and not with a load of 200 and 300 to the mothers around the neck.
  16. Vadim-Skeptic
    Vadim-Skeptic 8 December 2013 13: 16
    -1
    Everything is gorgeous, contract service, draftees ... What prevents to reduce the number of draftees? At the same time, raise the life of conscripts to 2,5-3 years, and pay and ensure living conditions at the level of contract soldiers or slightly lower (keyword a little). The minimum contract is 5 years. This is only for ordinary and sergeant personnel. The officers are a little different.
    What is the difference between a conscript and a contractor?
    Further, in the German army, soldiers were sent to officer schools after a certain period of service as a private soldier. In general, you can become an officer only after serving as a simple soldier. Why not do the same?
    In conclusion, refresher courses or training in new or other military specialties among ordinary soldiers and non-commissioners in Nemetschina from contract soldiers and conscripts (I read that it was so in the Wehrmacht), it seems logical, do we have such a system? If not, why not adopt?
    1. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 8 December 2013 18: 20
      0
      Quote: Vadim the Skeptic
      Further, in the German army, soldiers were sent to officer schools after a certain period of service as a private soldier. In general, you can become an officer only after serving as a simple soldier. Why not do the same?

      Isn’t it like that? Again Europe is ahead of the planet, nonsense. My son is studying in Voronezh, there are many former conscripts there.
  17. FlyEngine
    FlyEngine 8 December 2013 13: 31
    0
    17400 rubles. Why in our country do contractors get paid less than the cashier at McDonald's? Okay, residents of the regions such a salary is suitable, but I, for example, live in Moscow, and the janitor in my yard, Bektur, receives from the house management 21000 (they collect a hundred rubles from the whole yard). Don't you find this ridiculous? What could be the monetary motivation?
    1. clidon
      clidon 8 December 2013 13: 39
      +2
      Moscow is a separate state with its salaries and problems. From there, it is not planned to attract conscripts, this is the province’s business, where janitors get 6-8 thousand.
    2. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 8 December 2013 18: 25
      0
      Quote: FlyEngine
      17400 rubles. Why in our country do contractors get paid less than the cashier at McDonald's? Okay, residents of the regions such a salary is suitable, but I, for example, live in Moscow, and the janitor in my yard, Bektur, receives from the house management 21000 (they collect a hundred rubles from the whole yard). Don't you find this ridiculous? What could be the monetary motivation?

      McDonald's head office say where? And what is your salary in relation to a soldier or a nurse in a rural hospital? Everything is relative with which bumps to look.
    3. not main
      not main 8 December 2013 22: 31
      0
      Even in the 70s there was an "Arbat military district"
  18. rudolff
    rudolff 8 December 2013 13: 31
    +6
    Nonsense is complete. What kind of pro is this at the age of 18 with a two-year contract and without an urgent one? They used to call for a fleet for three years, because it only took a year and a half to study for a specialty, and a real special appeared only in the third year of service. The contract should be five years, no less, otherwise it will be a passage yard. By appeal, then you can set a period of one year (enough for the mobility reserve), but remove all these benefits and installments. Everyone should serve, and not just those who have little money or dad does not go to the bosses.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 8 December 2013 14: 14
      +1
      This will stimulate those who decide to devote their lives to the service and do not have the opportunity to study at a university for a fee, for example.
      Or take housing in the same mortgage for example.
      In terms of service life, you can raise the bar here, while this is only a 5-year bill, it’s certainly a bit much, but 3-4 years is quite acceptable.
      If this were the case in my time, I would definitely choose a contract.
      I personally would be better off serving in the troops where I myself asked, and even more so to receive money for this.
      While young and not married, I think a normal life start.
  19. Vorchun
    Vorchun 8 December 2013 13: 51
    -1
    For military service in the Wehrmacht and growth in it, they began to prepare from childhood. Interested book - http://lib.ru/INPROZ/FRITZSCHE/strelok.txt
    1. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 8 December 2013 18: 28
      +1
      And where is that Wehrmacht?
  20. gameover_65
    gameover_65 8 December 2013 13: 57
    +4
    another nonsense! ordinary economic diversion. will serve two years, but already in 10 more expensive for the state than draftees.
    the level of training will be, if not the same, then worse.
    the main task of all these army reformers is to ensure that there is no prepared mobilization reserve.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 8 December 2013 14: 45
      +4
      Quote: gameover_65
      another nonsense! ordinary economic diversion. will serve two years, but already in 10 more expensive for the state than draftees.

      Merchant ideas are flourishing. I have already said before that you can work well in an office for good money, and for big money you can work even better, but you cannot decide for what money you are ready to give your life for your Motherland in battle. It is bitter that many are led to this stupidity and sabotage. We made the main motivation to earn some money, and I just want to swear ... Who generates these ideas? There is a constitutional duty, to defend the Fatherland, this is for everyone, whether you are at the front in the army, or in the rear to forge weapons for the front. If there can be a choice, it will be whether you will serve as a conscript in the army for 2-3 years, receiving benefits, or work in the rear, in the civil service, in the fund of those who will serve for you. This is both the moral and the economy of the military budget. Is it difficult to understand and do?
      1. complete zero
        complete zero 8 December 2013 16: 58
        +2
        You write everything correctly (and everyone writes correctly) about Russia, the Motherland, a patriotic duty, a sacred duty ... but why? —You deny the very possibility of contract service (together with an appeal), arguing that if it’s for money it’s vicious! (what do we have in the officer corps of voluntary conscription?) - what is the viciousness of contracting non-commissioned officers (sergeants-foremen)? -or rapid response units that love for the fatherland will suffer from this?
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 8 December 2013 17: 58
          +1
          Good evening, Pavel! I do not deny contract service, although, to be honest, I like the word "extra-conscript" rather than "contract". In this sense, they would be ideal for the positions of sergeants and foremen, already having experience in military service, as well as in terms of high alert and special forces. About the officer corps, I will answer you this way, to be an officer is a vocation and duty, unlike a "contract soldier", it means serving for life, and not earning extra money for a certain term of the contract. People who are preoccupied with earning money will find themselves a more monetary and safer profession. On the basis of military schools, it would also be possible to train career sergeants who, over time, could become officers. It would require a "non-commissioned officer" rank "ensign" (foreman) and an officer "ensign" (junior lieutenant), as it was in the tsarist army, then the rank of ensign would not become an "appendix" in the table of ranks, but a bridge between non-commissioned officers and officers. A talented sergeant could become an officer through experience and training courses virtually in-service, albeit for a longer period. As for conscripts, they are no worse than "contract soldiers", just make a service life of 3 years, normal conditions of service and post-army benefits. Arguments like, - “You multiply 20 thousand something by 24 months - this is how much a contract worker will earn in two years. We have not all Muscovites and Petrograd residents. And for the guys from, let's say, the middle lane, it will be a good help. I think they will go to serve without any special difficulties, especially if after the service nothing prevents them, for example, from meeting a girl, ”- personally they jar me, not that motivation, not that morality. If you have a constitutional duty, if you want and you can - serve the Motherland for three years, honor and honor to you, bonuses and benefits. If you don't want to or you can't, work off your constitutional duty "in the rear", in the civil service, finance from your civil earnings those who serve in your place, strengthen the country's defense. This is fair and logical, and finally, it is beneficial. We will choose the best for three years, the rest for the civil service, including girls. Civil service could replace this "outsourcing" too. Finally, directly about the "contract soldiers", it might make sense to create in Russia a semblance of the French Foreign Legion, where without pathos and pathos, mercenaries would serve who would occupy their niche in the Russian armed forces.
  21. complete zero
    complete zero 8 December 2013 15: 23
    0
    I served two (it seemed to fucking..a), especially when you wait a year .. and now there is a demobilization))) - but Dembelya leaves, and you still have a YEAR !!! (although the strap has already been lowered, and the arrows have been adjusted, like life? and here is YEAR !!!), after the time has passed, you understand that for such a huge country, there should be at least three years in the draft army (otherwise it makes no sense to call on it ) ... in general, a mixed squad should be on such a territory ... Special Forces contractors and all that, but the call should be on any
  22. mountain
    mountain 8 December 2013 15: 26
    -1
    I propose to leave strategic, missile, air defense and disruption and pay them money. And the population to distribute all the weapons to their homes. Aircraft fasten for quarters, and one tank on the platform at the entrance. It’s more difficult with the ships, well, it seems to me, and here there is a solution. Time to learn the technique is not limited, once a month an officer assigned to the porch drives up and gives instruction.
    1. complete zero
      complete zero 8 December 2013 16: 48
      0
      "and to distribute Kalash to the population")))) - the dear was amused, is how to distribute? PS-you are not afraid for your life? (I'm afraid)
      1. mountain
        mountain 8 December 2013 22: 52
        0
        Not only Kalash, hand out everything, it will be more whole. Yes, and the bank pledge, you can take. Imagine for a moment№№№№ or for a tank, or a cruiser. In live, no worse than the oligarchs. And you can take out a loan platform, porch, well, and if the ship or the bomber then a quarter. Think about it. fellow
  23. Ivan.
    Ivan. 8 December 2013 15: 40
    0
    But still, in the first six months, these contractors will objectively be in the position of a soldier

    In six months to create an opportunity for choice, I understand that, this will already be a conscious choice, and so this "initiative" can be regarded as "Serdyukovism". If the living conditions of service did not differ, no one would have chosen a contract, except for those for whom this vocation is and they see their future in the army, or there is no job in their region and this is the only way to help the family.
  24. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 8 December 2013 16: 33
    +2
    There is a rush in all of these Defense Department undertakings: At any cost, recruit soldiers for contract service. Well, what kind of contractor would it be if he for half a year with difficulty mastered the basics of military science. He will become a full-fledged contractor in years through 3-4. The military officials really want to cheaply and without great expenses to create a contract army. The truth is almost virtual. And commanders need to solve combat tasks real. A contract army is expensive. It's time to understand the dreamers from the General Staff.
    1. clidon
      clidon 8 December 2013 17: 09
      0
      And where should they not rush, a demographic pit comes, there are not enough recruits. Already, the army does not regularly reach the promised million people and does not adequately.
  25. saxa2103
    saxa2103 8 December 2013 17: 13
    0
    Impression — there is no need for an enemy with such an MO, remember 0808, he moved and practically did not participate in the operation, the result is more or less adequate actions
    here’s a kind of picture, the beginning of BIG actions, we’ll use accurate duper (missiles, bombs, Bandera’s, etc., etc.) and they’re headquarters general ... So what? Efficiency and, most importantly, the morale of the army will grow at times
    PS The meaning of the fable is very simple, that smoked Chukovsky roots ????
  26. vitantin
    vitantin 8 December 2013 18: 11
    0
    At min Defense is now quite a small budget, but is it really impossible to allocate money, remove and launch high-quality commercials on federal channels? The future conscript sees stories about the army in the box only when the helicopter falls or the military depot explodes. It is necessary to launch a powerful propaganda service in the armed forces at least for a couple of years, it is not so expensive, and evaluate the result.
  27. kare
    kare 8 December 2013 18: 46
    +1
    I believe that everyone should pay the debt to the Motherland, and not for the loot. You cannot raise a war that can kill a potential enemy by money. Protecting your mothers, children and wives, your Motherland is everyone’s holy duty. Previously, 2 or 3 were served, and in the yard it was considered not to go to the bastard. Those who weren’t taken were beaten up by the thresholds of military commissariats, with tears
  28. igor788
    igor788 8 December 2013 19: 16
    -1
    Good idea, there should always be a choice, I hope this will not be the only improvement in the army
  29. rumarov56
    rumarov56 8 December 2013 19: 29
    0
    Yeah As soon as they do not want to attract young people and men in a number of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. For 17500 rubles, especially from villages, if they put things in order in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, they will all have to go to the military registration and enlistment offices. Only then it will be a little different for married and with children. But, if the Armed Forces are so everything will be fine.
  30. officer29
    officer29 8 December 2013 19: 37
    +2
    Judging by the article, the idea is stillborn !!! Service life is minimized to a disgrace! It is impossible to train a specialist in a year. At best, 3rd grade. And then, if the training process is properly established in the training, and not cleaning the territory and premises, the police will not be distracted by non-core activities. Not all military units are in large settlements to organize food, maintenance of military equipment, cleaning of premises, guard duty by civilians. According to "orphanages" - where do graduates of orphanages spend time, and where to live before being drafted into the army? Apartments are given to them with great difficulty, and after 2 years of service they will be forgotten altogether! The draft is NECESSARY, but it is also impossible without contract soldiers, especially among class specialists and sergeants! request
  31. individual
    individual 8 December 2013 21: 11
    0
    Flexibility in choosing a draft or contract is a way of forming the Russian armed forces.
    The main thing will be taken into account the capabilities of the state and the desire of man.
    If mutual interest is seen in this, then this corresponds to a new look in the methods of manning the Army.
    The main thing is to form not quantity, but quality, and this can only be verified by a trial period, which will conduct a natural selection of contractors who are capable of anything.
  32. andr327
    andr327 8 December 2013 21: 34
    +1
    read here. everyone speaks almost correctly, cheering for our army. And in order to stimulate the call to introduce a small but lifelong tax, a percentage of 2-3 of the income who did not go through military service. Here, Deripasko and Abramovich serve to run.
    Do not judge strictly. this is so thinking out loud.
  33. mountain
    mountain 8 December 2013 22: 43
    0
    Quote: full zero
    "and to distribute Kalash to the population")))) - the dear was amused, is how to distribute? PS-you are not afraid for your life? (I'm afraid)

    repeat
  34. SmirnoFF
    SmirnoFF 9 December 2013 07: 38
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    Now I have introduced the commanders of companies, platoons and foremen who will have to command such a contingent. If it is difficult with a soldier now (try to teach something in a year), then what will happen to a soldier who is no longer a soldier, but seems to be like a contract soldier. And even home in the evening. Moreover, a monetary allowance of 20 thousand rubles. This is not the same soldier that he was during his two-year service! From my own experience, I see that contract soldiers who now come to the service at the age of 20 to 22 create a lot of headaches for the command: drunkenness, drug addiction, inability and unwillingness to work! It is now! And what will happen when people of military age decide to go on a contract! They will be mostly non-students. These will be people from "central Russia" who do not want to serve, but want 20 thousand ... I think I will be understood mainly by those who have encountered l / s in the new army. Do not judge strictly
    1. clidon
      clidon 9 December 2013 08: 30
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      Now do you understand American planters during the War of the North and South? "Well, how am I going to pick cotton now, if a nigga now seems to be a person and decides to work or not!" )
      1. SmirnoFF
        SmirnoFF 9 December 2013 10: 17
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        The problem of slavery has not been solved so far. Today, American planters during the War of the North and South were replaced by Sberbank, VTB and Rosbank, i.e. chains and lashes replaced cash flow.
        1. clidon
          clidon 9 December 2013 12: 28
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          Let's not go into demagogy. I think you understand very well the difference between slavery and banking. Do not go into the bank building, do not take credit and you are free as a bird.
      2. SmirnoFF
        SmirnoFF 9 December 2013 10: 27
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        The soldier must follow orders. If the execution of the order is associated with a risk to life, the soldier will carry it out only in two cases: 1- if he risks his life for an idea. 2 - if there is a SEVERE punishment or even death for not following the order. In the modern army, the soldier has no idea at all. So either the "planters" or the ilya (ideology)
        1. clidon
          clidon 9 December 2013 12: 29
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          A soldier of any country is required to comply with the order. For there is an idea (defense of the Homeland) and punishment - a tribunal-field court. So with this everything as it was and remains.
    2. saber
      saber 9 December 2013 10: 29
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      and now the commanders will have to deal with personnel, and not blame it on senior employees. need to regret them now?
  35. SmirnoFF
    SmirnoFF 9 December 2013 11: 55
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    There are all kinds of commanders. A good company has no such situation. Although if the sergeant staff is correctly selected and constant fruitful work is being carried out with it, and the commander owns the situation, I do not exclude a similar option, but with the proviso that the sergeant staff (not necessarily senior staff) actively HELPS the commander. But, in general, it is not necessary to give an example of such cases.
    1. clidon
      clidon 9 December 2013 12: 32
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      Well, if the commander deals with the personnel of the contract draft, and does not poke his nose, expecting that "let it adjust itself somehow, get used to it," then he will be all right. There are enough levers of influence.
      1. SmirnoFF
        SmirnoFF 9 December 2013 15: 48
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        "There are enough levers of influence" - for example? Rebuke? A severe reprimand? Dismissal?
        1. clidon
          clidon 9 December 2013 17: 04
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          Exactly. Deprivation of premium, demotion. Or do you think that the leadership lacked levers of influence on ensigns and officers? Until the arrest.