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What kind of patriotism we need

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What kind of patriotism we need

Permanent columnist for the resource nstarikov.ru Yevgeny Chernyshev once again raises the most important topic of patriotism.


“An increasing number of people in Russia call themselves patriots. And it is great that the idea of ​​patriotism confidently wins the hearts and minds of our compatriots. However, we must face it. For the time being, this patriotism is not only spontaneous, but also rather loose. What I mean, I will try to explain below.

The Russian people have a deep need for the greatness of our Fatherland, which is not inherent to any other people with such force. This feeling is manifested in the rejection of those ridicule of our greatness, which we observe in everyday life. And, observing, naturally indignant. We want to revive our greatness! Inspire this idea with our society. In my opinion, this goal is certainly good and correct. But how do we understand this? Here begins the complexity.

It turns out that the society for many of us is not very concerned for me personally. Nothing can be done, 20 years of introduction of consumer installations make themselves known. And in order that this consumer consciousness does not take root in us even more, we need to think deeply and answer one important question for ourselves.

Here it is: am I personally responsible for the revival of Russia and, if so, what obligations does it impose on me?

It would seem the answer is obvious. The overwhelming majority of those who consider themselves to be a patriot will answer in the affirmative: yes, I am responsible for our revival and put some effort into this. However, things are not so obvious.

It all depends on how patriotism is understood. There are two possible answers in principle: 1) patriotism is action; 2) patriotism is a state. In the first case, patriotism means doing something for the good of the Fatherland. In the second case, patriotism means to be someone for the good of the Fatherland. It would seem that these answers accompany each other. But it's not always the case. Our problem is that we believe that it is enough just to conduct patriotic activities - and this already means being a patriot. This is a deep misconception. To conduct any kind of patriotic activity does not mean to be a patriot.

This does not mean that you do not need to do anything. This means that you need to do it, but - being a patriot in your heart. Always, everywhere and in everything! If each of us will be like this, then our common activity will not be long in coming, it will naturally flow out of our patriotic state. We can not lead her, as we can not live without air. It will be the inevitable consequence of our patriotism. Regardless of how people around us behave.

Approximately the same is true for deeply religious people, whose faith is so strong that they transform themselves and the world around them without noticing it. They do not set themselves this task, since for the believer it is “automatically” implied. They "only" deeply believe. But they believe SO that this faith becomes a source of spiritual transformation. After all, the believer is not a believer only in the temple. So we should be patriots not only on certain days.

Patriot, i.e. the one who loves the Fatherland is the one who always carries the Fatherland in himself, who is always his image, who is always aware of his great mission of reviving the Motherland in his person. Yes, it is in his face. Each of us is the face of our Motherland, unique and inimitable. When we take the path of spiritual rebirth, the whole of Russia becomes in our face on the same path. You should not make excuses that "one doesn't care from me alone ...". Loving the Fatherland can not say so. If you think that nothing depends on you, it means that you are not yet ready to shoulder responsibility for the fate of the country. Not in the sense that the fate of the whole country depends on you personally, but in the sense that I personally, as an image of the Fatherland, have no right to indulge myself. If I have, then what is my right to demand another from the Fatherland? This is slyness.

So, you need to be a patriot. Anytime and anywhere. And for this you need to establish patriotism by your personal example. It's hard. But do we have another way out? We cannot restore high spiritual demands without making them to ourselves. But, unfortunately, it occurs very often. There are lots of examples.

Many scold the current television, as if nothing had happened watching him at home. Young people are accused of debauchery, with pleasure watching him on TV channels. They complain about the dominance of foreigners, buying completely foreign. Outraged by the lack of knowledge of the Russian language, listening to English-language songs. Or its pollution by foreign words, quietly using them in his speech. Finally, they are lamented by the corruption of morals, not disdaining prodigal cohabitation (the so-called "civil marriage") or random connections at all. I’m not talking about bribes, giving which is the same as spitting, but persistently justifying myself after this that “without solving anything”. And "sit" on modern music, condemning "pop music" - isn’t it hypocrisy? So, if I am engaged in fooling around, listening to indecency, then this is “out of fun”, and if others do the same, then this is “stupid pop” and zombie. Isn't this a mote search in someone else's eye?

Those who were involved in the development of mathematical models know that each model is suitable for a specific range of tasks. When conditions change, the model must be developed anew - for these new conditions. But there is easy - and deceitful! - way. If the new conditions are somewhat similar to the old ones, then we simply take the old model and make some corrections to it for the new conditions. But this is a completely wrong way! For amendments are made to the old model, only cosmetically “combing” it for new conditions.

In the case of a patriotic question, the same mistake is possible. I live the way I want, I don’t change my lifestyle, I consider it possible for myself a lot of what I consider unacceptable for the Fatherland - but at the same time I bring in the old model of my behavior an amendment - “patriotic activity”. That is, I lead life as before, but under the renewed “patriotic facade”. It is here that the inadequacy of patriotic activity is manifested without a personal patriotic state.

Either we love the Fatherland, always and everywhere reviving it in our face, or we “love” it at rallies, meetings, online, etc., and then the price for such “patriotism” is worthless. Yes, we must participate in meetings, rallies, and work online. But all this should be only a consequence of our patriotic state, and not a goal. Whoever is a patriot in his heart, he will do everything for the benefit of the Fatherland. And who simply “works as a patriot” at a certain time, and for the rest does not burden himself with high demands, he will bring little benefit.

To “love” the Fatherland at rallies without bearing personal obligations always, everywhere and in everything to be its worthy image is the same as “loving” your family without bearing any personal obligations of its spiritual growth and material support. Or to lead a dissolute life, but at night “convince” your wife of love for her ... But this often happens. And do not such dangers lurk on our path to the revival of the Fatherland?

Lurk! And we must be ready. And this means that we can be patriots of our Fatherland, only striving to be its worthy representative, image, person. No self-justification, no indulgence to yourself! After all, who will believe once lied? And can it inspire patriotism without a personal example?
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  1. makarov
    makarov 8 December 2013 07: 54
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    A patriot is a person who loves his Motherland and suffers for her soul ... but it is necessary, then he will go to death for the Fatherland. Only here the word Motherland, everyone understands in his own way, is so subtle and sometimes intimate concept, since it begins with the word SEVEN I. And for freaks and perverts, "homeland" begins with money and capital.
    Nothing more to add.
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 8 December 2013 09: 10
      +2
      It's hard to be a patriot of a country with such power! At least start shooting these freaks
      1. Ahmed Osmanov
        Ahmed Osmanov 8 December 2013 09: 47
        10
        Good afternoon! A little off topic. I read about this girl on one of the shooting sites. So this girl’s dad gave her a 6th birthday, or a 7th birthday, a sniper rifle. Here is such a folder). If the girl continues to actively engage in shooting, especially from a sniper rifle, then it is likely that a high-class shooter will come out of her.
        1. Kibalchish
          Kibalchish 8 December 2013 10: 14
          +5
          I do not know. I just found a picture on the Internet. I wonder how old she is.
          1. Marine One
            Marine One 8 December 2013 12: 40
            +7
            The girl's name is Charlie. American. In the photo she is 5 or 6 years old. They shot it at some of the meetings of the NRA or similar organizations. Her father is a gunsmith constructor and customizer of standard trunks. She poses with a remade Remington 700. She's with dad in the photo.
          2. cayman gene
            cayman gene 8 December 2013 14: 03
            +3
            and what does your picture have to do with the theme of patriotism? however, thanks for the fact that the naked girl was smart enough not to post.
            1. Marine One
              Marine One 8 December 2013 15: 26
              20

              But this picture is related to the theme of patriotism or not?
              1. vladkavkaz
                vladkavkaz 8 December 2013 20: 20
                0
                cayman gene
                Do you have doubts? Or is the soul of Bandera quick bastards, from this picture, comes into a state of ugliness?
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        3. aviamed90
          aviamed90 8 December 2013 12: 52
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          Ahmed Osmanov


          I do not see anything seditious.

          The Americans are also engaged in the education of their patriots. That is their right.
          Every country strives for this.

          And our right and duty to educate their youth.

          My daughter is also engaged in shooting (though sports) since 8 years. And there are good results - 2-th place in the city among schools.
          This does not bother her, but on the contrary "turns on" her brains and gives a sense of responsibility for her country and an understanding of her need.
          Her position: "Although I am a girl, I will be able to stand up for my country and family."

          So with regard to patriotism, every citizen is individual.
          Someone goes into the army, someone is engaged in sambo or shooting, and someone just honestly does his job and abides by the laws.

          Another thing is that the state, in words encouraging, in practice, does little to instill a sense of patriotism. Starting with social policy and ending with the administration of justice in the country (Serdyukov, Gorbachev, etc.).
          1. Ahmed Osmanov
            Ahmed Osmanov 8 December 2013 17: 42
            +1
            At the expense of patriotism, it’s absolutely true, everyone is involved in one sphere or another and considers it right. And I wish your daughter great success in shooting sports. Let him glorify not only the school, city, region, but also the country.
      2. Civil
        Civil 8 December 2013 09: 53
        13
        4 million patriots!
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        2. major071
          major071 8 December 2013 12: 16
          20
          No matter how there, but ...
          1. vladkavkaz
            vladkavkaz 8 December 2013 20: 24
            -3
            major071
            if not difficult, LIST, but without footnotes, for the SOVIET time, is there such a thing?
        3. alone
          alone 8 December 2013 16: 23
          +2
          it means to write denunciations and become an informer is patriotism? and how many innocent people suffered for these denunciations did you think?
        4. Cherdak
          Cherdak 8 December 2013 17: 12
          +1
          This is how the very essence of patriotism is emasculated.
        5. vladkavkaz
          vladkavkaz 8 December 2013 20: 22
          0
          Honestly, who wrote the denunciations?
          You have the courage to admit that YOU, YOUR ANCESTORS WRITTEN — DENOUSES, YOUR courage IS ENOUGH?
        6. Nick
          Nick 8 December 2013 22: 30
          +5
          A tyrant Stalin tried in 1936 to carry out a radical political reform, the essence of which was:
          1.
          introduction of elections on an alternative basis, at least two candidates, at all levels of government.
          2. Equalization of suffrage, workers, peasants and deprived people - that is, representatives of the nobility, the bourgeoisie, the tsarist officers, etc.
          If anyone does not know, then the worker had three votes when voting in elections to the authorities, the peasant had one vote, the so-called deprived people had none at all ...
          Tyrant Stalin, by 1939, managed to stop the massive repressions unleashed across the country by the regional party elite, who put forward the thesis about the exacerbation of the class struggle in the USSR, the same "old guard" that was afraid of losing power as a result of the implementation of Stalin's political reforms.
          They called Stalin the tyrant of steel with the filing of Khrushchev, one of the main organizers of the mass repressions of 37-38. Compared to such ghouls as Khrushchev and Eikhe, Stalin, a liberal is pure ...
        7. CALL.
          CALL. 9 December 2013 00: 44
          +9
          Stalin is not a tyrant. This is an outstanding person and statesman. Enemies are still afraid of him. Therefore, the flow of slander against him, starting with Khrushchev (a favorite of shit and liberals), only intensifies. Khrushchev at the 61th congress slandered him. Of the 122356 charges that historians were able to verify, ALL turned out to be FALSE !!! ALL!!! Grover Ferr Anti-Stalinist villainy http://www.likebook.ru/books/view/XNUMX/
        8. Hon
          Hon 9 December 2013 14: 10
          +2
          Now on the soap is the news of an accident near Penza with the participation of the Saratov KVN team, three people died. I read the comments and got a lot of fun. Many people just have a holiday on this occasion, sinister glee, galling, and pouring mud on the dead, although they don’t even know their names. Here they are potential authors of denunciations.
      3. Homo
        Homo 8 December 2013 11: 15
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        Quote: Kibalchish
        It's hard to be a patriot of a country with such power! At least start shooting these freaks

        Here you are clearly not a patriot! Patriotism is a love for the motherland and not for power. Power, leaders, politicians come and go, but the motherland remains! The oldest torchbearer (born in 1912) was shown yesterday. So he is a patriot - he loved Russia under Nicholas II, he loved under Lenin, Brezhnev, Yeltsin and now he loves everything and is ready for anything for his homeland!
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 8 December 2013 13: 39
          +6
          Quote: Homo
          Patriotism is love for the motherland

          Yes! And here a very simple line)). It remains to find out what the citizen considers his homeland. Now our enemies are working very clearly on this, trying to drive into the head of everyone that the Motherland is not Russia, but ... Well, then it doesn’t matter: Siberia, Tatarstan, Perm, Dagestan, the village of Gadyukino, Europe, Asia, the whole world , most importantly, not Russia.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 8 December 2013 16: 00
            +6
            Quote: ctepx
            It remains to find out what the citizen considers his homeland.

            Our Homeland is the Russian World.
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 8 December 2013 16: 18
              +2
              Quote: Setrac
              Our Homeland is the Russian World.

              And the basis of the Russian World is Russia)).
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 8 December 2013 20: 57
                +2
                Quote: ctepx
                And the basis of the Russian World is Russia)).

                Russians are the foundation of the Russian world.
                1. CTEPX
                  CTEPX 9 December 2013 04: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Russians are the foundation of the Russian world.

                  And yet - no)). The basis of the Russian world is Russia. And not every Russian is a patriot of Russia)).
          2. Cherdak
            Cherdak 8 December 2013 17: 15
            +4
            Quote: ctepx
            Now our enemies are working very clearly on this.



            It’s quite simple, especially among unripe juveniles.
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 8 December 2013 17: 32
              0
              Quote: Cherdak
              It’s quite simple, especially among unripe juveniles.

              To be honest, I have never seen such agitation. But he saw a bunch of other, directly opposite, maps and inscriptions in all the media repeatedly during each day for many years)).
            2. CALL.
              CALL. 9 December 2013 07: 04
              0
              These cards incite Russophobic moods. Russian civilization has always respected other nations. it is enough to read Suvorov’s orders on the capture of fortresses, where he orders not to repair violence against the civilian population and surrendered enemy. I won’t be surprised if this provocative card was made with the money of the State Department.
      4. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 8 December 2013 11: 25
        +8
        Quote: Kibalchish
        It's hard to be a patriot of a country with such power!

        Who told you that you are a patriot? You have been deceived.

        Do not confuse the Homeland with the authorities, with the cops, with something else that is today, and tomorrow will change.
        Russia, the Russian people live for millennia and will live for millennia. And patriots will always love their homeland. The main thing that you have done for the homeland, and not what the authorities have done for you. If the government, its specific representatives, are unrighteous, then it is necessary to find ways to improve this, and not blame the homeland.
      5. Lyokha79
        Lyokha79 8 December 2013 12: 58
        +6
        And how is love for the motherland and patriotism connected with the power that governs the country. You can passionately, with all your heart love the Motherland, be a patriot and at the same time fiercely hate power. Forgive me, but you are confusing the concept of Homeland and State.

        Here is what I like!
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 8 December 2013 13: 44
          +5
          Quote: Lyokha79
          And how is love for the motherland and patriotism connected with power

          Elementary. Responsibility)). But responsibility to Russia, and not to our beloved place. But if the government does not bear this responsibility, then the patriot’s duty is to make efforts to replace it.
        2. CALL.
          CALL. 9 December 2013 04: 53
          0
          Yes, and rightly so. But Homeland is not only Birch trees. This is a family, and a school, friends. The fact that we living here do not notice. But this is clearly seen when after living in the west and tasting their freedom (USA is a country of denunciations. Http://maxpark.com/community/politic/content/2089804), you understand how happy we are. Unfortunately, the Russian media convince us otherwise. Billions and trillions of dollars are being spent on these goals. I would not advise you to read the protocols of the Zion of the sages. Since this book is forbidden by the denunciation of our free and liberal public. And for reading it you can get a fair time. The fascists at one time burned prohibited books. The list of our banned literature is already much longer. The Moscow Bureau for Human Rights, Alexander Brod, and the Antifascist Center of Dashevsky and Proshechkin deserve special praise in this noble field. Http://www.youtube.com/watch? V = ZprJhF1Gn4A
      6. de klermon
        de klermon 8 December 2013 15: 57
        +5
        Russia is alone and everybody needs to love it!
        A reference to the quality or nature of power is a favorite trick of collaborators, cosmopolitans, or, in Russian, traitors and renegades! .. Remember always that the Romans, and patriotism is their word, from pater (father) educated, invested in this the term love of the land of fatherly graves, to the place where there is the center of the Spirit of their Roman community! Patriotism - love for the Motherland and the Fatherland!
        1. striker
          striker 8 December 2013 19: 55
          0
          The example of the Romans is extremely unsuccessful. Do not find?

          The understanding of patriotism "in Roman" can be called "civic patriotism", i.e. "our" in this case are all who have the same citizenship with you. The fact that these "compatriots" often do not always mentally correspond to the entrenched way of life of the main part of the population of the state, do not share the spiritual values ​​of the majority of citizens - in this interpretation of patriotism, no importance is attached. It was this perverted concept of patriotism that led to the fact that now only legends and the ruins of their "Roman world" remained from the Romans.

          The same understanding of patriotism, with manic stubbornness, has been instilled into Russian minds for the last 10 years by the current anti-Russian government, declaring all citizens of the former Soviet republics, now independent NATIONAL states, its (and therefore ours) "compatriots".
          This is - betrayal and cosmopolitanism.

          True Patriotism is, first of all, love for HIS People. To the people, not in the sense of the "population" of the Fatherland, but to their fellow-members!

          1. vladkavkaz
            vladkavkaz 8 December 2013 20: 28
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            striker
            And how did the Roman Empire end ??? I am a citizen of the Roman Empire, am free to fall into any fornication, and since it is desirable for me, no matter what.
            I, a citizen of the Roman Republic, pay taxes, and anyone is fighting for me ..
            WHAT, ROME FINISHED ??
            The American would be silent, your empire is heading for the collapse, where the Roman collapse will seem like children's toys.
            1. striker
              striker 8 December 2013 21: 18
              0
              Quote: vladkavkaz
              striker

              The American would be silent

              About such a thing - "proxy", have you ever heard, Vlad from the Caucasus?
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            3. de klermon
              de klermon 9 December 2013 01: 30
              +1
              Patriotism of the Romans - patriotism of the empire! And I am deeply convinced, first of all, as a Russian person, that the patriotism of imperial, primarily Roman persuasion, long lost in the West, was bequeathed to us, in the broad national sense, by the Eastern Roman Empire (from the 19th century it is commonly called Byzantium) !!! The reason for the fall of the Roman Empire (both western and eastern parts) has nothing to do with what you are talking about ... Do you want to know what the Romans themselves thought about this period of decline? Read the great Russian scientist Fyodor Uspensky, and if you can’t master everything, here is an excerpt with a quote from a real Roman:
              "At the very end of the 397th century, ie, in the first years after the death of Theodosius, it happened that the bishop of the Egyptian Ptolemais Synesius was in Constantinople on the affairs of his cathedral city. He spent three years in Constantinople and managed to become well acquainted with the state of affairs, which he depicted in note, or submitted to Emperor Arkady, or even personally read. This document is remarkable for its topic, which is of paramount importance for that time, and for the nobility of the bold thoughts expressed in it, for ardent patriotism and literary construction. There is no other monument that is so I would well acquaint you with the political state of affairs in the empire in 398–XNUMX and which would so clearly and openly express the desires of the anti-German party in Constantinople ... "It's a pity, the format does not allow to continue ... Read" History of the Byzantine Empire " understand !!!
          2. de klermon
            de klermon 9 December 2013 01: 35
            +1
            Russian patriotism, real, not fake, not in politicians storming power, but in a large patriarchal Russian family with many children !!!
            And all together who have recently been called "Russians" must remember:
            WILL NOT BE RUSSIAN - RUSSIA WILL END!
      7. Archibald
        Archibald 8 December 2013 18: 17
        0
        And why is an American girl here?
      8. vladkavkaz
        vladkavkaz 8 December 2013 20: 17
        0
        Kibalchish
        Yes? Therefore, you fastened *****, like a NATO sign?
        And for a long time you were not sent to the area where Makar did not chase the calves?
        why did you attach a flag of the country you hate on your avatar?
    2. starshina78
      starshina78 8 December 2013 18: 32
      +1
      I would like to add that patriotism is not only about tying the "St. George's Ribbon" to a bag or antenna of a car on Victory Day, singing a hymn with hockey players at a match, shouting at all angles that "I am a patriot", and then moaning "Lada", " Il "or something else Russian. All this is not real patriotism! Real is not to litter on the street, do not hesitate to clean up after your dog in the yard, leaving the dacha to pick up your garbage and not throw it away on the way: "Why there! They will take it away!", But take it to the garbage collection point near your house, go out to the cleanup and clean up your yard, plant a tree to make your yard the best. Patriotism is in the details. Someone screams, hits his chest, but in reality dreams of leaving "this Rashka", while the other silently does his job, multiplying the wealth of Russia by his labor, serving in the Russian Army and Navy, chasing gangs through the mountains, honestly works, does not steal and fights against embezzlers in some budget office, brings up his son or daughter on the examples of heroes who gave their lives for their Motherland, here he is real patriotism. Anyone who carries a wrapper of ice cream to the trash can and does not throw it on the pavement or reprimand someone who has not done so will do more than some demagogue from the podium shouting about patriotism. To try to make Russia more beautiful, cleaner, richer, stronger - this is patriotism!
  2. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel 8 December 2013 07: 54
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    Worthy representatives.
    1. Aristocrat
      Aristocrat 8 December 2013 08: 12
      0
      It is difficult to be a patriot of the country whose heroes are the main thugs of Wahhabi gangs ...
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 8 December 2013 13: 47
        +4
        Quote: Aristocrat
        whose heroes are the main thugs of Wahhabi gangs ...

        R. Kadyrov is their main enemy)).
      2. vladkavkaz
        vladkavkaz 8 December 2013 20: 30
        0
        Eh .... an aristocrat ... the phrase is akin to an idiot- "It is difficult to be a patriot of a country whose heroes are the main thugs of the Wahhabi gangs ..." These are my warring comrades ... the main ones .. ???? you would stick a stake of aspen .. ...
    2. CTEPX
      CTEPX 8 December 2013 13: 46
      +1
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      Worthy representatives.

      Agree that a little more worthy than the laureate of the order of A. the First-Called - Gorbachev?
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 8 December 2013 13: 55
        +4
        Gorbachev is a separate issue. There is no place to put a stamp there, like Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich.
        1. CALL.
          CALL. 9 December 2013 05: 18
          0
          About Gorbachev, here is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpD7LwnZRw8 and herehttp: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = XoNlte_Sj8A
  3. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 8 December 2013 08: 06
    +8
    The author mixed morality and patriotism in a heap, morality is just the requirements of a part of society, so that everyone else would live by its rules. patriotism is the desire to make their homeland cleaner, better, more majestic. If a person only tries to say that he is a patriot, if he believes that he is just working hard, has a family, then he is a patriot. Nonsense is all that. a patriot who is not indifferent to everything that happens in the country, and not just in his house. A patriot is one who gives his strength and knowledge for the prosperity of the country. A patriot is one who is not afraid to argue with the authorities, to reveal all the flaws or even crimes of the authorities, and not to shout that the dirt in the homeland is not just dirt, but native dirt and that it needs to be protected.
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 8 December 2013 08: 31
      +5
      A patriot is one who is not afraid to argue with the authorities, to reveal all the shortcomings or even crimes of the authorities,


      then we were all lucky, because we have in abundance of these patriots, to make sure of this it’s enough just to turn on Solovyov’s television program (or something like that)

      A patriot is one who gives his strength and knowledge for the prosperity of the country.


      absolute truth

      that is why I consider the real patriots not those people who SPEAK a lot about good intentions for society, but those who WORK a lot for the benefit of this society
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 8 December 2013 08: 35
        +2
        Quote: fisherman
        that is why I consider the real patriots not those people who SPEAK a lot about good intentions for society, but those who WORK a lot for the benefit of this society

        That's kind of right, but what kind of work do you mean? if a person works just to earn a bunch of dough, is that already a patriot?
        1. fisherman
          fisherman 8 December 2013 08: 56
          +2
          if a person works just to earn a bunch of dough, is that already a patriot?


          who WORKS a lot for the benefit of this society


          those. not on your beloved, but on society

          our people are only pretending to be a fool, they are so burned that now "it blows on vodka" (I don't remember now whose joke it is)

          pretending to be a fool and patiently waiting for the new leaders to appear not on TV, but on his street, in his porch, in his city, etc.
        2. Chertkov Oleg
          Chertkov Oleg 8 December 2013 19: 01
          0
          Work for the good is not paid so high to earn "dough". Rather, patronage - do you know how the Tretyakov Gallery appeared?
    2. Altona
      Altona 8 December 2013 12: 36
      +2
      I agree ... What does it have to do with what I listen to and what woman do I live with? Officially or unofficially ... If you follow the logic of the author, then in our category of "patriots" you can put many other people who are suitable on formal grounds ... A patriot is probably still a little different ... I don't even know how to formulate it. .. Here, for example, an entrepreneur produces some kind of product, hires locals, pays them decently, in my understanding he is a patriot ... A scientist who stayed to work in his homeland ... Something like that, probably ... Who wants what what to do in your homeland ... It's a pity that we have more and more true patriots above a certain level ... Usually there are more and more patriots of their wallet ...
      1. Chertkov Oleg
        Chertkov Oleg 8 December 2013 19: 10
        +1
        Quote: Altona
        ..And what is it that I am listening to and with what woman do I live? Formally or informally ...

        Moreover. There are fewer dysfunctional families, fewer abortions, fewer lovers waiting for manna who can easily marry, give birth and live happily, fewer abandoned and abandoned children, fewer domestic murders and simply miserable beaten women. And do you think your wife sleeps only with you or not? There you have the purity of the cell of the family-society.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 8 December 2013 13: 45
      +5
      Quote: vladsolo56
      patriotism is the desire to make their homeland cleaner, better, more majestic.


      For any normal person, what is the most important thing in life? This is, first of all, a family and a home, the way of life in which your family feels comfortable. So for a patriot, the family is his Motherland, big and small, his people, history, cultural values. Traditions are all that make up the basis of Russian civilization, her " historical self "and distinguishes it from other families-civilizations. A house is a state. The state of Russia in which we live, I do not emphasize the power, but the STATE. So [b] a patriot is that person who loves his Motherland-family (the land, people living on it, their culture and their beliefs) and YOUR HOUSE STATE. And I am ready to put all my efforts for the good of the Motherland-family and my home state. [/ b]
      The liberal will say that I am also a patriot and I love my homeland and I want all good for it. Russia is good, I love my people, but Russia does not need a state own home, it should become just an apartment, part of the global "universal humanity" and only if it is indistinguishable from other similar parts in Asia, Africa and America. It will be inhabited by exactly the same "universal people" without gender, age, nationalities that differ from each other only in the degree of “success”: whoever has more money is “more successful.” Why spend energy on sharpening your home, protecting it in the end, when the host of the European hostel does all this for you and you will live carefree fun and happily like the other inhabitants of the common house. Example Ukraine is a member of our family and common homeland. So these are patriots people were led to the idea that the main thing for the country is to get away from Russia as far as possible. from their original historical home-state and they will live happily and happily.
      Therefore, the person who screams that I love my homeland and my people, but I do not accept a state that oppresses the people, is NOT a PATRIOT. A person who shouts that he is a patriot is a state official, that for him the Great Empire is important as an attribute, a form no matter what is inside this state, what is its national essence, what kind of family lives in the house and what are its values, what is the SPIRIT of the people living in it. The main thing is a strong house and a beautiful facade - NOT a PATRIOT. Therefore, the main thing in the realization and upbringing of patriotism is to go about the paths of spiritual and moral enlightenment of the people, to determine what our true values ​​are and what is most important for us in life and on the basis of these values ​​to equip our home-state Russia, and not to demolish the foundation and build a new house. To understand patriotism one must go through a spiritual and moral rebirth, through the family, both literally and in the general sense of the word.
      Russian Soul loves:
      Not wealth, but Lad
      Not power, but justice,
      Not permissiveness, but Serving the Homeland,
      Not bodily pleasures, but a Song of Love.
      We wanted wealth, and we became poor
      We wanted power, and became subordinates,
      We wanted freedom, and became captives,
      We wanted happiness, and became unhappy.
      So what now?
      [b] The holy duty of every Russian person:
      Banish the adversary from our minds
      To clear the Russian Soul of everything alien, not inherent in it,
      Return to your Native Origins
      And to establish a Righteous Life - TRUE RUSSIAN.
      [/B]
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 8 December 2013 14: 46
        0
        Quote: Ascetic
        a patriot is the man who loves his homeland-the family (the land, the people living on it, their culture and their beliefs) and their own home state.

        Yes, patriotism is an adjective. To the family, to the city, locality, country, clan. And yet, only military patriotism related to the Fatherland, all of us so different, unites or makes enemies. Why do we not regret our belly together?
    4. CTEPX
      CTEPX 8 December 2013 13: 51
      +1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      A patriot is one who gives his strength and knowledge for the prosperity of the country.

      We always strive for simple solutions. One of them is the citizen’s attitude to the Armed Forces of Russia and military-patriotic education. Anyone who is against is not a patriot. Not a patriot of Russia, at least)).
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      2. aviamed90
        aviamed90 8 December 2013 14: 07
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        CTEPX

        Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - tool The Russian Federation as a state, and not at all Russia as our Motherland and Fatherland.

        And if at some stage the interests of the state converge with the interests of Russia, this is not a reason to identify them.

        Again, you confuse the Motherland (Fatherland) and the state. This is not the same thing..

        Many soldiers (including former white, green and various others, dispossessed and repressed) in the Second World War fought precisely for their homeland, and not for the USSR and Stalin, and directly declared this to their political instructors when they got into the cauldrons of the encirclement. And they had every reason to say so.

        Aren't they patriots?
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 8 December 2013 14: 36
          0
          Quote: aviamed90
          The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - an instrument of the Russian Federation as a state

          This state is an instrument of Russia)). And the Army and Navy, as you know its only friends)).
          Quote: aviamed90
          Many soldiers (including former white, green and various others, dispossessed and repressed) in the Second World War fought precisely for their homeland, and not for the USSR and Stalin ... Aren't they patriots?

          So did they fight? In the Red Army or helping her. Of course, they are patriots)).
          Quote: aviamed90
          And if at some stage the interests of the state converge with the interests of Russia, this is not a reason to identify them.

          And here - oh-oh-oh-oh! We will deal with our state (tool) ourselves. During work (testing) to fight with an instrument (state) - to fight against Russia)). But to take another tool ... Why not)).
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          2. aviamed90
            aviamed90 8 December 2013 15: 07
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            CTEPX

            Citizen don't have to love state but obliged to love the motherland.

            And everyone himself has the right to decide: what is his homeland and what is just a state.

            About the tools.

            In addition to the Armed Forces, the state has many other "instruments": courts, police, government officials, state corporations (including Gazprom), the FSB, the State Duma and the Federation Council, etc.

            And all this I must love? And if I don’t like, then I’m not a patriot? May endure, but not love. After all:

            "The state is a power-political organization of society, possessing state sovereignty, a special administrative apparatus and coercion, and establishing a special legal order in a certain territory. "(VKP).

            The same "Wikipedia", disliked by everyone, gives differences in the concept of "state" and "country":

            "The concept of the state denotes a political system of power established in a certain territory, a special kind of organization, while the concept of a country rather refers to cultural, general geographic (common territory) and other factors. The term country also has a less official connotation. A similar difference exists in English with the words country (which is closer to the concept of country) and state (state), although in a certain context they can act as interchangeable. "

            But thoughts about this unforgettable V.I. Lenin (work "State and Revolution", 1917):

            “The state is the product of the irreconcilability of class contradictions”

            “The state is a product of society at a certain stage of development; the state is a recognition that this society has become entangled in an insoluble contradiction with itself, split into irreconcilable opposites, which it is powerless to get rid of. And so that these opposites, classes with conflicting economic interests, do not devour each other and society in a fruitless struggle, this requires a force that seems to stand above society, a force that would temper the collision, keep it within the boundaries of "order." ... And this force, originating from society, but placing itself above it, more and more alienating itself from it, is the state "

            “The standing army and the police are the main tools of the power of state power”

            That's it.

            I apologize - if it is too abstruse, cumbersome and with a bias in communism.
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 8 December 2013 15: 49
              +1
              Quote: aviamed90
              A citizen is not obliged to love the state, but is obliged to love the homeland.

              Quite the opposite)) Citizen - must love state, patriot - must love Homeland)).
              Quote: aviamed90
              About the tools.

              In addition to the Armed Forces, the state has many other "tools": courts, police, government officials ... And I have to love all this? And if I don’t like it, then am I not a patriot?

              Tools can, of course, be loved, but are usually used. And if necessary - improve, change)).
              Quote: aviamed90
              V.I. Lenin: the state is a recognition that this society is entangled in an insoluble contradiction

              But isn't it today? What are you calling for? to anarchy? To the power of another state?
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              2. aviamed90
                aviamed90 8 December 2013 16: 19
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                CTEPX

                By no means.

                An ideal state does not exist. And ours is no exception.

                But if we begin to compare the role of our state in many respects with others (including the USSR), then we will come to a disappointing conclusion: it extremely inefficient.

                And about citizenship ...

                When the USSR collapsed, did you really ask the citizen of which country do you want to be? Of course, there was a referendum, but what did it change?

                And if a citizen of the USSR (say, Russian), by the will of fate (and the will of Bialowieza assessors) found himself, for example, in Uzbekistan, then what - would you demand him to love this state?
                1. CTEPX
                  CTEPX 8 December 2013 16: 48
                  0
                  Quote: aviamed90
                  And if a citizen of the USSR (say, Russian), by the will of fate (and the will of Bialowieza assessors) ended up, for example, in Uzbekistan

                  Then he is a citizen of Uzbekistan, but perhaps a patriot of Russia.
                  Quote: aviamed90
                  But if we begin to compare the role of our state in many respects with others (including the USSR), then we will come to a disappointing conclusion: it is extremely inefficient.

                  Well, we are changing it)).
                  WE are changing. Although slowly, but - for the better)).
          3. Setrac
            Setrac 8 December 2013 16: 06
            0
            Quote: ctepx
            And here - oh-oh-oh-oh! We will deal with our state (tool) ourselves. During work (testing) to fight with an instrument (state) - to fight against Russia)). But to take another tool ... Why not)).

            They offer us to put "another instrument" on our necks, for example the government of Israel! Or maybe small britain?
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 8 December 2013 16: 22
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              Quote: Setrac
              They suggest that we put "another instrument" on our necks

              Who are they? Patriots of what? So the patriots of Russia should mix them (with the offer) with shit, if there is enough strength. Or defend Russia, not sparing his stomach, regardless of the presence of strength)).
            2. alone
              alone 8 December 2013 16: 26
              +2
              Any country needs normal, sober-minded patriots. The patriot of Russia should be a patriot to all countries, and not separate regions. A person who proposes to divide the country, some part, not the patriot, but the fifth column of Russia will be thrown out to arbitrariness.
    5. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 8 December 2013 18: 57
      +1
      Inattentive you are a person. Patriotism begins with the smallest part of society — a person, as a unit, his soul. Here is the main idea of ​​the article. Become clean inside yourself first (not to be confused with sectarianism). Do not break, do not give bribes, do not litter simply. He who knows will understand me.
  4. vasiliysxx
    vasiliysxx 8 December 2013 08: 25
    +8
    Quote: makarov

    .. And for freaks and perverts, "homeland" begins with money and capital.
    Nothing more to add.


    Young people at home start 2, with these television penguins what patriotism can be, for almost a whole generation brains are washed, animals.
    1. Sakmagon
      Sakmagon 8 December 2013 09: 43
      +3
      Young people at home start 2, with these television penguins what patriotism can be, for almost a whole generation brains are washed, animals.

      Patriotism - a multifaceted phenomenon, including, among other things, the upbringing of the younger generation (at least of its own) in the right attitude to vomit dumped from the screens of many channels ...
      And the main way of education for young people is "do as I do!"
      This is where many who condemn today's youth begin to face the main problems ...
    2. major071
      major071 8 December 2013 14: 33
      +5
      For many young people, such "successful" ones are the standard, those who do not do nichrome, but have everything. Zombie generation. Clickable.
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 8 December 2013 08: 27
    +5
    I believe that patriotism should be won, through search squads discovering the remains of fighters, their names and surnames for posterity, through constant collective gatherings and events, in the form of memory watches, being on guard at the Grave of an unknown soldier and other truly patriotic affairs.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 8 December 2013 08: 37
      +3
      Quote: aszzz888
      I believe that patriotism should be won, through search squads discovering the remains of fighters, their names and surnames for posterity, through constant collective gatherings and events, in the form of memory watches, being on guard at the Grave of an unknown soldier and other truly patriotic affairs.

      it’s strange somehow, in your patriot’s opinion, it’s only from someone who knows history, who only looks into the past, even with respect?
    2. CTEPX
      CTEPX 8 December 2013 14: 19
      -1
      Quote: aszzz888
      I believe that patriotism should be won through search squads

      Quote: aszzz888
      being on guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier

      This "patriotism" is very easy to portray. Which is being done almost everywhere.
      I will explain. For example, since the mid-90s, for our children, preparing to serve in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in military sports clubs, at certain times (before night march-throws, tactical games) they lit the extinguished Eternal Fire, put up the Honor Guard, and then - forward, we worked)).
      Now the Eternal Fire is burning and, from time to time, when the budget is "allocated," a guard is posted according to the order. And ... that's all. And our guys are still preparing and running, but they don't get into the list and "budget". Because financing of preparation for service in the RF Armed Forces from local and regional budgets is prohibited)).
      As for the search teams, the main funding for their activities is received ... from abroad (well, there, Germany, Hungary) and it is difficult to get into the number of "diggers")).
  6. treskoed
    treskoed 8 December 2013 08: 33
    +2
    Unfortunately, the Motherland today is for many only a place of residence and work, which can always be changed ... And how to be otherwise, if the "elite" today - have learned in Western educational institutions and their children are taught THERE ...
  7. Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 8 December 2013 08: 34
    +8
    The president should give everyone a lesson in patriotism-Serdyukov, a criminal or so, passed by. This will be an indicator, a healthy head or deceives us.
  8. VADEL
    VADEL 8 December 2013 08: 34
    +5
    Quote: vladsolo56
    A patriot is one who is not afraid to argue with the authorities, to reveal all the flaws or even crimes of the authorities, and not to shout that the dirt in the homeland is not just dirt, but native dirt and that it needs to be protected.

    Are you talking about Maidan or Bolotnaya?
    Quote: vladsolo56
    If a person only tries to say that he is a patriot, if he believes that he is simply working hard, has a family, then he is a patriot. Nonsense is all that.

    Weird! Wear epaulettes, serve the Motherland, bring up 4 children, of which 3 sons- Nonsense? request
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 8 December 2013 08: 41
      -4
      Quote: VADEL
      Are you talking about Maidan or Bolotnaya?

      Neither one nor the other, I believe that the patriot is Khabarov, who was imprisoned only for the truth, I believe that the patriots are Delyagin, Boldyrev, Musin and many others who explain to the people what is what and who is who.
      Quote: VADEL
      Weird! Wear epaulettes, serve the Motherland, bring up 4 children, of which 3 sons- Nonsense?

      And what do you think this is a patriot? and what homeland does he serve? Whose orders is he ready to follow?
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      2. aviamed90
        aviamed90 8 December 2013 14: 28
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        vladsolo56

        "and what homeland does he serve? whose orders is he ready to carry out?"

        In our country, as you know, there is a President - the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces.

        And here lies the subjective "squiggle": what will the President consider useful for the state and the Fatherland? And will the rest of the citizens (read - those liable for military service) agree with him?

        Because how to defend the Motherland is one thing, and defend Abramovich’s billions is completely different!

        After all, it is assumed that the President is popularly elected, which means that he does everything in the interests of voters (i.e. the people). Only what part of the people? After all, there are those who did not vote for him! And there are many of them.

        The problem, however!
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 8 December 2013 15: 14
          -1
          Quote: aviamed90
          In our country, as you know, there is a President - the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces.

          And here lies the subjective "squiggle": what will the President consider useful for the state and the Fatherland? And will the rest of the citizens (read - those liable for military service) agree with him?

          There is no squiggle)). The President, when referring to persons liable for military service, is the Supreme, and he who doubts this is a traitor)). But, according to the Charter - he may not fulfill the criminal order of the commander.
      3. CTEPX
        CTEPX 8 December 2013 14: 56
        0
        Quote: vladsolo56
        I believe that the patriot is Khabarov

        By the way, I think, and I have reason for this, that Putin is a patriot, and Medvedev is not)).
        And Khabarov? Probably a revolutionary, politician, and then, maybe ...
        Well no! He is a patriot, but ... of the Soviet Union!
        The Soviet Union is a collapsed Empire, and Russia is an imperial power. I respect Putin more)).
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        4. aviamed90
          aviamed90 8 December 2013 16: 07
          +1
          CTEPX

          I wanted to answer and object, but the admin cut out my seditious thoughts. Maybe it's for the best.
          I guess I'm not politically correct and devoted to power.

          Therefore, I will be expressed in Aesopian language and allegories.

          Not only among the supporters of the current government are patriots, but also among its opponents, and even, be surprised, among the opposition. And all that is interesting, consider themselves patriots.

          And respect for a specific person is a purely personal matter and has nothing to do with patriotism. Respect for specific deeds, not words.

          Indeed, patriotism is different and everyone has different opinions about its essence.
          Someone sincerely believes that large Russian business is patriotic, while someone considers it theft.
          As, for example, the story with Faberge eggs, bought by Mr. Vekselberg with "his" money. Or the results of privatization in Russia can also be assessed from different points of view.
          It is impossible to rob your people and immediately shout about your patriotism.

          Of course, for patriotism you can respect a person. But only now - what is patriotism?
          Many say that this category is moral. And I agree with them.
          1. CTEPX
            CTEPX 8 December 2013 16: 33
            +1
            Quote: aviamed90
            I wanted to answer and object, but the admin cut out my seditious thoughts.

            I read. You asked that if someone does not respect Putin, he is no longer a patriot?
            I will try to answer. In the Second World War, defending the homeland, enough soldiers who hated Stalin died or survived. But if they did not die or survived by fighting, they did not have the right to be called patriots. I answered?
            Quote: aviamed90
            Someone sincerely believes that large Russian business is patriotic, while someone considers it theft.

            Our Motherland is rising from its knees and if large Russian business helps it in this - it is patriotic, but if it interferes - no)).
            Quote: aviamed90
            But only now - what is patriotism?
            Many say that this category is moral.

            Rather, it is an ideological category, a survival category)).
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            2. aviamed90
              aviamed90 8 December 2013 17: 10
              +1
              CTEPX

              Here again - you confuse personal devotion to the ruler of the state with the defense of the homeland.
              They did not defend Stalin, but their homeland.
              Instead of Stalin, anyone could be on the throne. This is not a god, but an ordinary man of meat and bones. Like all other citizens. And among these citizens there were an uncountable number of people who were much more patriotic and smarter than him.

              By the way, you can defend your homeland not only on the battlefield, but also at the machine tool in the rear.
              And even just worthily raising their children in peacetime .. This is no less a contribution to the prosperity of their country.

              As for "getting up from its knees" and big business, we differ in our assessments.
              For example, I do not think that big business, having "robbed" its people, is patriotic.

              It reminds me of a situation when in the 90s thieves in law "donated" their stolen money to Orthodox churches (trying to justify themselves not to people, but to God). In most cases, the priests did not take anything from them. And rightly so. It's pretty vile.

              As for patriotism as an ideological category, I will object. You, apparently, think that patriotism is inherent only in members of "United Russia" or the Communist Party?
              I dare to assure you - this is not so.
              Political idea has little to do with patriotism. As an example, I will cite the history of the creation of the RSFSR and the surrender to the Germans of Ukraine, Finland, the Baltic States and part of the Caucasus in 1918 (the so-called "Peace of Brest").
              Do you think this is patriotic?

              So!
              It's time to drink German beer. I apologize, but I am leaving our dispute. By the way, is drinking German beer patriotic? Or not?
              On the one hand, no (support of the German manufacturer), and on the other, yes (the Germans will get less)!

              It was nice to participate in the discussion.
              1. CTEPX
                CTEPX 8 December 2013 17: 40
                0
                Quote: aviamed90
                you confuse personal devotion to the ruler of the state with the defense of the homeland.
                They did not defend Stalin, but their homeland.

                So you yourself have answered your question about whether or not to love Putin patriotically)) drinks
        5. Cherdak
          Cherdak 8 December 2013 17: 28
          +2
          Quote: ctepx
          Putin is a patriot, but Medvedev is not
  9. saag
    saag 8 December 2013 08: 35
    +3
    but the oligarchs, officials and other near-power strata and ordinary citizens have different ideas about patriotism, sometimes diametrically opposed, the question is what patriotism can be devoid of an ideological foundation in the country?
  10. Sirocco
    Sirocco 8 December 2013 09: 12
    +5
    Patriotism is a source of sacrifice already because it
    does not count on remuneration when he does his duty.
    It is enough to recall the heroes of the Second World War, I think many people born in the USSR remember the portraits of the patriots of the heroes who were hanging in the school.
    1. Algor73
      Algor73 8 December 2013 15: 07
      +1
      This was because we knew and believed that we live, that we had such an honor to be born, in the best country. And now, it turns out, not so. There are many examples to follow (mostly negative). And the richer a person becomes (a citizen of the state), the percentage of his patriotism falls. And when he scrambled to the top of power (no matter what, political or financial), his patriotism was approaching zero. These are my subjective observations.
    2. Marine One
      Marine One 8 December 2013 15: 40
      +1
      Quote: Sirocco
      remember portraits of patriots of heroes

      By the way, portraits of the heroes of Afghanistan and Chechnya, by the way, do not hang very much in schools either. It seems that no one fought there, and did not die. Some schools were built in half with vineyards, while others "constitutional order" was restored by disarming illegal armed groups. What war, what heroes? The story of the Second World War is over.
      1. creak
        creak 8 December 2013 21: 35
        0
        And about those who fought in numerous hot spots starting from Korea, in Southeast Asia, Africa, who remembers and knows them except the veterans themselves? What portraits are you talking about ... A remarkable story was recently broadcast on a TV channel about how an 85-year-old woman veteran, with her weak hands, was forced to stab huge ridges to heat a stove, there is no gas in the village. But mind you, this is not happening somewhere in a remote corner of Siberia, but in the Yegoryevsky district of the Moscow region, not far from the main gas pipeline. What is the lesson of patriotic education for young people looking at this attitude to veterans? And unfortunately, such examples are far from unique, since none of the leaders have yet to tear off the head for such things, but it would have cost ...
      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco 12 December 2013 05: 51
        0
        Quote: Marine One
        Portraits of the heroes of Afghanistan and Chechnya, by the way, are not particularly hanging in schools

        We probably studied with you in different years, I judge from the post above about the heroes of Chechnya. So, in my years, portraits of the heroes who served in the DRA were not there, but they came to our school and we listened to them very carefully. And all that you have written below is already from the field of ideology, which we do not have. Bucks is our ideal. Alas.
        Quote: Sirocco
        Patriotism is a source of sacrifice already because it does not count on rewards when it does its duty.

        That's what everyone and everyone needs to think about, and not about medals and profits.
  11. VADEL
    VADEL 8 December 2013 09: 15
    +1
    Quote: vladsolo56
    And what do you think this is a patriot? and what homeland does he serve? Whose orders is he ready to follow?

    1 It is necessary to do business, not talk, talk for the sake of conversation (including patriotism)
    2 look at the flag
    3 see point 2 soldier
  12. Boris55
    Boris55 8 December 2013 09: 28
    +2
    To defeat the enemy - educate his children.
    Speech at a meeting with members of the public on the issues of patriotic education of youth. President Vladimir Putin talks about patriotism and education of youth.



    Vladimir Putin urges to prevent formalism in patriotic education. In addition, the president called for avoiding "stupid propaganda", which ultimately brought to naught this work in the USSR. At a meeting with representatives of the public, the head of state noted that Russia is still embarrassed to engage in patriotic education. It is necessary to build this work on the truth, even if it is unpleasant, Putin stressed. Krasnodar September 12, 2012.
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 9 December 2013 09: 00
      0
      That's what I'm talking about. It is one thing to say, another thing to do. Why is still Chubais and his accomplices are not sitting. All materials are available on the internet. And there for each of ten life. Witnesses are still alive. http://royallib.ru/book/streletskiy_v/mrakobesie.html http://www.zone4iphone.ru/index.php?p_id=7&b_id=3289
  13. Sakmagon
    Sakmagon 8 December 2013 09: 31
    16
    Patriotism - like virginity, or is - or not!
    In any case, this is what they store in themselves, and not shown at intersections!
    1. Kolovrat77
      Kolovrat77 8 December 2013 22: 44
      0
      In vain you are so comradeguardiemayor (if this is true) and if no one has answered you since 09:31 I will answer - but what about those that are in zinc in red clay from Moscow? in whose trenches did they sit? Think about it and the answer is at least for yourself. I miss all kinds of attacks, don’t get it from anyone, but YOU are an officer paratrooper GUARDIAN - I am very sorry that you posted such a poster, I’m sincerely sorry. Good luck. God rest the souls of all the boys who laid down their lives for their friends.
  14. Semurg
    Semurg 8 December 2013 09: 32
    +3
    The theme of patriotism is very large and capacious. I think patriotism is divided into several subspecies 1) national patriotism is nationalists not to be confused with Nazism 2) state patriotism is statesmen 3) civil patriotism is for me what the doctor ordered.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 8 December 2013 15: 16
      -1
      Quote: Semurg
      ) Civil patriotism is for me what the doctor ordered.

      This is the one that allows you not to defend the homeland?))
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        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 8 December 2013 15: 53
          0
          Quote: aviamed90
          Patriotism is not only and not so much the defense of the Motherland

          Without the protection of the Motherland, patriotism does not happen)). And everything else - put on top as much as you can)).
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          2. aviamed90
            aviamed90 8 December 2013 16: 40
            +1
            CTEPX

            How categorical you are!

            In your opinion, a law-abiding citizen who has a beloved family and a house, who works honestly for the good of the country, but has nothing to do with government agencies, including the army (for various reasons), is not a patriot?
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 8 December 2013 17: 45
              +1
              Quote: aviamed90
              In your opinion, a law-abiding citizen who has a beloved family and a house, who works honestly for the good of the country, but has nothing to do with government agencies, including the army (for various reasons), is not a patriot?

              Not. In my opinion, a citizen who has a beloved family and a house, who honestly works for the good of the country, and even (oh my God!) Has relations with state structures, but is not ready to defend his Fatherland in hard times is not a patriot)).
      3. Ducksar
        Ducksar 8 December 2013 20: 02
        +1
        this is the one who, from sunrise to sunset, in the heat and downpour behind the steering wheel of a combine or tractor levers (getting a penny for this), because "and who will go, there is no one else" ... or in 2 shifts in kindergarten from 25 y screaming children, forgetting that the voice almost disappeared, and then in the evening for the papers and plans for the next day, because "and who else needs them" ... I can go on for so long.
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    3. aviamed90
      aviamed90 8 December 2013 15: 21
      0
      And here is how Leo Tolstoy interprets this:

      "Patriotism in its simplest, clear and unmistakable meaning is nothing else for rulers, as a tool to achieve power-hungry and selfish goals, and for the controlled - a renunciation of human dignity, reason, conscience and slavish submission to those in power. So he is preached wherever patriotism is preached. "

      How do you feel about this definition?

      Great original, isn't it?
      But there is something in it.

      This definition is apparently used by our "rulers".
      It’s interesting, but how does a common people understand patriotism?
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 8 December 2013 16: 00
        0
        Tolstoy Patriotism
        Quote: aviamed90
        nothing else for rulers

        Quote: aviamed90
        for managed

        Quote: Semurg
        ) civil patriotism is for me what the doctor ordered

        You see)) Patriotism is an adjective)). And, nevertheless, love for the Fatherland, a willingness to defend it, up to self-sacrifice, i.e. its military component is what unites us or makes us enemies)).
        Everything else is from the evil one)).
  15. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 December 2013 09: 33
    +5
    Under this article, I would like to answer with the words of the song before it was constantly broadcasted both on the radio and on TV, alas, now they have forgotten, but after all, it takes it to heart to shiver !:

    How the Motherland Begins
    From the picture in your letter
    With good and faithful comrades
    Living in a nearby yard

    Or maybe it starts
    From the song that our mother sang to us
    Since in any tests
    We do not take anyone away


    With such songs real patriotism and love for the MOTHERLAND begins!
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 8 December 2013 09: 43
      +6
      Where does the homeland begin?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 8 December 2013 10: 10
        +3
        ... From the picture of the three of us ...
        The correct song. It is necessary to engage in upbringing from childhood.
        Now the United States is actively doing this all over the world, including ours ...



    2. not main
      not main 8 December 2013 20: 12
      0
      I agree! I grew up on such songs. At the expense of modern youth, not so long ago I witnessed: a question to a guy of 20-25 years old who works on his Gazelle (why don't you take a "normal" German car?) The answer was short - my grandfather died in the war and I zapadlo to drive German cars!
  16. VADEL
    VADEL 8 December 2013 09: 36
    +2
    One more thing. Look at the old Soviet cartoon "The Hare Who Loved to Give Advice"
    link http://youtu.be/8LaolvEzivg
    hi
  17. saag
    saag 8 December 2013 09: 40
    -3
    What the devil is patriotism, if the authorities do not punish those who caused enormous damage to the state in public, that for the sake of these or for the sake of this system, as they used to say, "bring life to the altar of the Fatherland"?
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 8 December 2013 10: 20
      +2
      Over the millennium-long history of Russia, many rulers and social systems have changed, and Russia is still alive! If you do not want "bring life to the altar of the Fatherland" then on whose altar are you bearing it?

      So for those like you, our ideology is necessary, so as not to show one continuous negativity that causes in the fragile consciousness one disgust for power, but also positive. To whom the media belong, I hope you know. The country is alive. So not everything is so bad.
  18. Egoza
    Egoza 8 December 2013 09: 41
    +9
    What patriotism do we need?

    Which one ... SOVIET! STALINSKY! It was truly PATRIOTISM! IMHO
    1. calocha
      calocha 8 December 2013 10: 28
      +3
      That's right! Introduce the Stalinist model of the economy! After all, everything turned out then, why reinvent the wheel ...
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 8 December 2013 11: 39
        +1
        About the Stalin model of the economy.



        When prices fall, the poor get richer, their purchasing power rises, and when prices rise (inflation) the rich get rich and the poor become poor. Money has one property - they always return to their owners.
    2. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 8 December 2013 10: 54
      +3
      They profiled the country, betrayed their ancestors, lost Freedom, Equality and Brotherhood. They put their necks under the capitalist yoke, silently wandered off to build in wild capitalism a bright future for a handful of oligarchs-plunderers with the power we "gave" to them.
  19. kaktus
    kaktus 8 December 2013 10: 20
    +1
    About upbringing of children, in particular, patriotic, look in the section "politics" Temka "about new Russian juvenile laws" stop the farther the less decent words am angry
  20. saag
    saag 8 December 2013 10: 28
    +1
    Quote: Boris55
    So for people like you, our ideology is needed

    More about ideology is possible?
    Quote: Boris55
    . The country is alive. So not everything is so bad.

    1917 also had a country that seemed to be alive, but it was very bad and they solved the problem
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 8 December 2013 10: 55
      -1
      Quote: saag
      More about ideology is possible?

      See my post above where Putin is about ideology.
      And my vision of this issue in the management hierarchy: http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=3#p3
      Quote: saag
      1917 also had a country that seemed to be alive, but it was very bad and they solved the problem
      And it got better?
      The power method of solving problems is the fastest, but also not the most durable.
      Do you want to organize a civil war every 70 years, and then what remains of us?
      We must act on the highest priority of common controls, which include ideology.
      Management priorities can be found here: http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=14#p27
  21. taseka
    taseka 8 December 2013 10: 31
    +4
    Yesterday in class I asked students of a prestigious university of the country (28 people) - which of you watched the film "The Fate of a Man" - in response, silence! This is where the concept of patriotism should start! I'm already silent about the fact that the question - "Who is Nakhimov?" Recently, a 4th year student answered happily - "I know! This is great cognac!" First, return the history books of the USSR to school, modernizing modern geopolitics and political order.
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 9 December 2013 09: 40
      0
      I watched the movie "The Fate of Man". The film is very strong. Confuses me only one moment in this film. Where the hero, played by Bondarchuk, the elder, (nature rested on the younger), drinks vodka in glasses. To the subconscious - for Russian vodka to drink like tea. But these myths began to take root already under Khrushchev, and under him the soldering of the people began. They are destroying us with alcohol. How Indian tribes were destroyed. Join the national movement - "Russian means sober" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYtyhT6AFIk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ7ep3Kajj0 Alcohol and drug genocide
  22. saag
    saag 8 December 2013 10: 34
    +1
    Quote: taseka
    To begin, return to school textbooks on the history of the USSR

    But who will allow this, even the GDP said that such as the one who wants to return the USSR is deprived of reason or something, I can’t say anything
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 8 December 2013 11: 04
      +4
      Quote: saag
      Quote: taseka
      To begin, return to school textbooks on the history of the USSR
      But who will allow this, even the GDP said that such as the one who wants to return the USSR is deprived of reason or something, I can’t say anything

      "... A native country would live ..."
      It's not the name, but in ourselves.
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      2. Boris55
        Boris55 8 December 2013 11: 26
        +1
        Quote: saag
        But who will allow this, even the GDP said that such as the one who wants to return the USSR is deprived of reason or something, I can’t say anything




        Does the vehicle remind you of anything?
        1. alone
          alone 8 December 2013 16: 28
          0
          Quote: Boris55
          Does the vehicle remind you of anything?


          and who is the creator of the vehicle? Putin V.V. And what do you mean by that? wink
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 8 December 2013 16: 55
            -1
            Quote: lonely
            and who is the creator of the vehicle? Putin V.V. And what do you mean by that?

            Including Putin.

            “He who does not regret the collapse of the USSR has no heart. And the one who wants his recovery as beforehe has no head. "

            On October 6 on October 2007, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia signed an Agreement on the creation of a single customs territory and the formation of the Customs Union in Dushanbe.
            1. alone
              alone 8 December 2013 20: 46
              +1
              Quote: Boris55
              On October 6 on October 2007, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia signed an Agreement on the creation of a single customs territory and the formation of the Customs Union in Dushanbe.


              The creation of the USSR-2 under the current realities is unthinkable and unprofitable. Let's look at the list of countries that used to be part of the SSR-1 and what they are.
              more or less economically in satisfactory condition is (figuratively speaking, although not still in order) these are Russia, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan.
              one step from the abyss is Ukraine, Belarus and Uzbekistan. It’s not even worth talking about the economies of Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.
              and now let's see from the political context who wants to be in the USSR-2.
              Moldova and Georgia have already chosen the road to the EU. Turkmenistan does not want to go anywhere. I haven’t heard about Kazakhstan’s desire for the USSR-2. The situation in Ukraine is before us. The Uzbeks have left the CSTO. Azerbaijan seems to be going nowhere too.
              All that remains is Belarus, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. If even these countries become an integral part of the USSR-2, what kind of strengthening will they give to Russia? Want to tell you what they will do? They will immediately transfer their debt obligations to your neck and sit on a subsidy (exception will be Belarus. The people there really work). Here and the whole portrait. Do you need new subsidized regions? If necessary, create. Only without us.

              P.S. what for me your thieves and oligarchs? your throat, and even endure yours !!
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      4. taseka
        taseka 8 December 2013 16: 55
        0
        And we ourselves and "Makes" the native country - some through the transfer of "Dom-2", and some through the law on juvenile justice!
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 8 December 2013 17: 00
          -1
          Quote: taseka
          And our own country "Makes" ourselves - whom through the program "Dom-2"

          Do you think that the media (TV) belongs to the "native country"?
          1. taseka
            taseka 8 December 2013 17: 06
            0
            No! Certainly not the country, but the country's oligarchs. And the people of the country "do", a zombie, so to speak, a passing moronization of cattle into the hands of the same oligarchs - they are trying for themselves!
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 8 December 2013 17: 16
              0
              Quote: taseka
              Not! Of course not the country, but the country's oligarchs ...

              The oligarchs ... not really.
              We were forbidden by the State Department to have our own media as conductors of ideas of ideology to the masses, when, under their dictation and on their grandmothers, in 93 the shitcrats wrote us the constitution. After that, "our" media act exclusively in the interests of the United States.
          2. taseka
            taseka 8 December 2013 17: 06
            0
            No! Certainly not the country, but the country's oligarchs. And the people of the country "do", a zombie, so to speak, a passing moronization of cattle into the hands of the same oligarchs - they are trying for themselves!
  23. sawmill
    sawmill 8 December 2013 10: 52
    +4
    God save us,
    My homeland from such patriots. Mixed together in a heap of public morality, religion, politics. I did not understand that I had read the "moral code of the builder of communism" or the sermon of the village priest.
    Peter the Great, drank smoke, used foreign words, debauched as much as he could. So was he a patriot?
    Catherine the Great is generally German, and as for everything else, there are all kinds of favorites, etc., but for Russia she has done quite a bit.
    Kutuzov dragged a 14-year-old Moldavian along with him, and in general he was known as a great specialist in the female part
    And officers of the Kutuzov army in everyday life spoke of horror in French.
    But Nicholas II, the soul of a man, a pious family man, did not drink, did not smoke, and he ruined the country.
    Is Marshal Zhukov a patriot?
    And the difficult teenager Alexander Matrosov, when he was going on a machine gun, what was he thinking? About all this x ... not what the author of the article writes?
    There are such "patriots" who have been hurt by life, and they want everyone to be hurt.
    1. taseka
      taseka 8 December 2013 17: 10
      0
      I read it! It hurt a little about Matrosov (we really don't know what he was thinking at the last moment of his life), then I read your comments and "smiled" about Serdyukov, here we are - drinks
    2. taseka
      taseka 8 December 2013 17: 10
      0
      I read it! It hurt a little about Matrosov (we really don't know what he was thinking at the last moment of his life), then I read your comments and "smiled" about Serdyukov, here we are - drinks
  24. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 8 December 2013 11: 09
    +2
    Russia is alive and developing .. and this is the most important thing! Yes, she will be different now, but her essence is always the same!
    Or maybe it starts
    From the song that our mother sang to us
    Since in any tests
    We do not take anyone away

    Many opinions .. many directions. Just men listen to your heart and take care of your soul and everything will be fine! (and most importantly, teach children and grandchildren what the Motherland is and they will then understand ..)
  25. sawmill
    sawmill 8 December 2013 11: 20
    +3
    Our people are a mass of different people living in a huge space, and living in very different ways. There are drinkers and teetotalers among us, there are womanizers, and there are those who have lived to gray hair and have not sinned. There are eternal and faithful our women the stronghold of the family and at home, and there are untethered bl..di. There are those who are engaged in mathematical models, and there are those who cut the forest in the taiga. Thieves are and there are those who never steal a rusty nail. And now there is no more stupid and at the same time dangerous business than to impose on us the way we are a UNIFIED STANDARD OF PATRIOTISM. We will also do an exam on patriotism, and "DO YOU LOVE YOUR HOMELAND RIGHT". You are correct and you are not.
    It was like this, in Germany, for example, the Führer was taught to love, everyone clearly painted what an Aryan patriot should be like. So these correct standardized patriots are not without difficulty, but our shaggy, sinful and holy siblings, drinking and walking great people, turned their bones.
  26. mountain
    mountain 8 December 2013 11: 30
    +2
    sawmill RU Today, 10:52 AM New

    God save us,
    My homeland is from such patriots.
    Like, I agree with you. All in a bunch, one discontent. And uncles from abroad and the border guard and feed our families, but we are so ungrateful.
    What a mess in our heads.
    And the fish carried the head rotting, and from the abdomen. Maybe that's why there are problems in the minds.
  27. saag
    saag 8 December 2013 11: 49
    0
    Quote: mountain
    And the fish carried the head rotting, and from the abdomen. Maybe that's why there are problems in the minds.

    something new, mind, belly, "horses, people mingled in a bunch ..."
    1. mountain
      mountain 8 December 2013 14: 32
      0
      Quote: saag
      Quote: mountain
      And the fish carried the head rotting, and from the abdomen. Maybe that's why there are problems in the minds.

      something new, mind, belly, "horses, people mingled in a bunch ..."

      Buy fish and see where it rots.
      1. not main
        not main 8 December 2013 20: 26
        0
        If you don’t buy, but catch it, you can see that the gills are the first to go out!
  28. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 8 December 2013 11: 51
    +5
    The article is pathetic. But very theoretical. The issue of patriotism is best viewed on the basis of our lives. It is both easier and more visual. Imagine a young 23-year-old lieutenant who left a large city in the Sakhalin taiga for a military facility. Without any fuss and dignity, the guy fulfills his duty. Yes, there is an oath and he strictly fulfills it. But who will say that this officer is not a patriot? Chatting at rallies and beating yourself in the chest is not patriotism, but insanity. Maybe patriotism is to do honestly their work for the motherland!
    1. sawmill
      sawmill 8 December 2013 12: 26
      0
      Yes, he is a patriot, and many other patrites are calmly doing their job without noise and dust.
      Even if sometimes the adidas wears a T-shirt.
  29. bubla5
    bubla5 8 December 2013 13: 02
    0
    What kind of patriotism, all the loot is exported abroad, take any new enterprise or the factory is built with state money, and then miraculously goes into private hands, the next billionaire, the offspring of the heads of regions, officials and big business transfer all their money abroad, they don’t invest here , but generally not even hunting, the same thing 25 years
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 8 December 2013 17: 06
      0
      Quote: bubla5
      any new enterprise or plant is built with state money, and then miraculously goes into private hands

      Well, not true! There are many many entrepreneurs who built the enterprise not on state or even dad’s money)).
  30. Sour
    Sour 8 December 2013 13: 31
    +2
    People who confuse the concepts of "Fatherland" and "bosses" are not translated in Russia.
    And, as always, there are a lot of those who argue: “This is how the right person will come to power, how he will establish the correct system, and how something will break off from his rule, then I will be a patriot, but now what kind of ... patriotism ".
    That is how Vlasov’s reasoned. Word for word, and nothing else.
  31. saag
    saag 8 December 2013 13: 46
    0
    Quote: Boris55
    Does the vehicle remind you of anything?

    No, not really, because some of its members suffer from such a disease as "multi-vector", but China is quite, industrialization, the rise in prosperity, spacewalk, the beginning of lunar expeditions
    1. Sour
      Sour 8 December 2013 14: 01
      0
      Quote: saag
      but China is quite industrialization, the rise of prosperity,

      In Russia, too, "the rise in welfare", someone bought Mears, someone a Ferrari.
      It's the same in China. Those who want to get to know modern China better, let them go to Europe. It's full of Chinese. Some of them vacation in elite resorts, rent expensive cars, and generally do not deny themselves anything. And they look down on their fellow countrymen, who work in the most low-profile jobs, to which the locals do not want to go, despite the unemployment. This is what he is, "red China". Everything is the same as ours - the poor, the rich and the super-rich, which does not prevent them all from being patriots.
  32. Christian
    Christian 8 December 2013 14: 25
    -5
    A man who beats himself in the chest and yelling "I am a patriot" is hardly really him. Ivan Susanin hardly knew such a word "patriotism", but he always was and gave his life "For faith, Tsar and Fatherland". The saints said that only Christians can be true and selfless patriots, they love their people and their homeland according to God's commandment "Love your neighbor as yourself" and "there is no higher love if someone gives his life for his friends."
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 8 December 2013 17: 12
      +1
      Quote: Christian
      selfless patriots can only be Christians

      Do not usurp and do not usurp will)).
      There is God, and there is the Church. These are not identical concepts. The clearest example of replacing God with the Church is Wahhabis)).
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      2. aviamed90
        aviamed90 8 December 2013 17: 16
        0
        CTEPX

        Here in this I sincerely support you.
      3. Christian
        Christian 8 December 2013 17: 18
        -3
        Your complete religious illiteracy is surprising! Let me remind you that the Church is only in Orthodoxy and this is the Body of Christ!
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 8 December 2013 17: 23
          -1
          Quote: Christian
          ... The church is only in Orthodoxy ...

          Question. What kind of faith did Vladimir accept, Christian or Orthodox?
          1. atalef
            atalef 8 December 2013 17: 41
            0
            Quote: Boris55
            Question. What kind of faith did Vladimir accept, Christian or Orthodox?

            The question is not correct - Vladimir accepted
            According to the annals in 987, Vladimir at the council of the boyars decided on baptism "according to the Greek law."

            and since he lived before
            The split of the Christian church in 1054, also the Great split and the Great Schism - a church split, after which the Church was finally divided into the Roman Catholic Church in the West with a center in Rome and the Orthodox Church in the East with a center in Constantinople

            It can be said that Vladimir was not Orthodox at that time (maybe Orthodox and Catholics did not exist yet) but adopted Christianity in the Greek interpretation
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 8 December 2013 17: 52
              0
              Quote: atalef
              The question is not correct

              Word Orthodox means glorifying right, truth. This is the so-called pagan faith - NAV, RIGHT, REV (similarly - Sephar, Sipur, Sefer) meaning the trinity of the world. She coexisted before Christ. The Russian Church Abroad is still called the FAITHFUL (orthodox). Nikon's attempts to cling to Orthodoxy in 1666 were unsuccessful. The people still understood the difference between faith and Orthodoxy. In the USSR, the church began to be called Orthodox only in the 1945 year.
              1. atalef
                atalef 8 December 2013 18: 11
                +1
                Quote: Boris55
                The word Orthodox means to glorify the right. This is the so-called pagan faith - NAV, RIGHT, REV (similarly - Sephar, Sipur, Sefer) meaning the trinity of the world. She coexisted before Christ. The Russian Church Abroad is still called the FAITHFUL (Orthodox

                do not smack nonsense. dear. The only thing you have written in all is that the Orthodox (and everything) outside of Russia are called Orthodox Christians and that’s why

                from Greek ORTHA (correct) DOKSIA (faith) - correct faith. those. Orthodox is a faith, in Russia this term was translated as Orthodoxy, which has the same meaning

                Another fan of Asgard and Zadornov laughing
                Nikon's attempts to cling to Orthodoxy in 1666 were unsuccessful. The people still understood the difference between faith and Orthodoxy.

                The split in Christianity into Orthodox and Catholics, then 600 years before Nikon
                A letter of absence was presented on July 16, 1054 in Constantinople in the Sophia Church on the Holy Altar during the service of the legate of the Pope, Cardinal Humbert. In the excommunication letter after the preamble on the primacy of the Roman Church, and praise for the "pillars of imperial power and its honored and wise citizens" and all Of Constantinople, called the city "the most Christian and Orthodox," The following accusations were made against Mikhail Kerulariy “and accomplices of his stupidity” [3]:

                It’s just that the texts of the gospel were not translated correctly, so a split arose in Orthodoxy (more precisely, only in Russia), other Orthodox did not have such a problem
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 8 December 2013 18: 15
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  don't smack nonsense

                  And how do you translate such a word combination as orthodox jews? how Orthodox Jews laughing
                  There was no split. There were two different faiths, one of which supplanted the other.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 8 December 2013 18: 23
                    +1
                    Quote: Boris55
                    And how do you translate such a combination word as orthodox Jews? Like Orthodox Jews

                    Just like in Russian
                    Right believer
                    maybe in Judaism there are 3 currents 1.orthodoxes (whose faith and postulates have not changed)
                    then 2.conservative and 3.reformist currents of Judaism

                    Quote: Boris55
                    There was no split. There were two different faiths, one of which supplanted the other.

                    there were no different faiths; do not say nonsense; there were inaccuracies in the translation.
                    Saints are the same, holidays are the same difference only in certain things of church service
                    And what do you think was the difference --- if the faiths were different?
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 8 December 2013 18: 27
                      -1
                      Quote: atalef
                      Just like in Russian ... Correctly believing ....

                      That is, when it’s profitable, they are Orthodox, but one is not profitable — the right believer - laughing Everything. Goodbye.
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 8 December 2013 18: 36
                        +2
                        Quote: Boris55
                        All. Goodbye


                        All arguments over? laughing
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 8 December 2013 18: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: atalef
                        All arguments over?

                        Hi Sanya. hi Ek skidded you. Although Jews have long been famous for the peculiarity of climbing with their charter in a foreign monastery. laughing Orthodoxy, as a phrase, was borrowed precisely from paganism. And most Christian holidays, like through tracing paper, overlapped with pagan ones. And since Christianity and Ilham are Avramic religions, I am inclined to consider their implementation as a sabotage from God's people hi
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 8 December 2013 19: 23
                        +1
                        Hello Igor, of course, the word itself came from a language that is older than Chrimtianism, but the term Orthodoxy is simply a literal translation of the Greek word, orthodox, because of the adoption of the Greek movement of faith, as the Bible was translated into Russian and the terms, it turned out the orthodox - Orthodox
                      4. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 8 December 2013 19: 46
                        0
                        Something You began to make grammatical errors. Wife's birthday was not in vain? Sent congratulations from the anti-Semite of all Russia? wassat
                        Quote: atalef
                        Orthodoxy is simply a literal translation of the Greek word orthodox
                        No, the faithful, rather from the concept, is true faith, but not Orthodox. In the Russian language, the word RIGHT comes from the word RIGHT, and this is one of the hypostases of being, Rule, Reveal, and Nav. And to compare the word Orthodoxy with the linguistic meanings of other nations, the more Jews, this is blasphemy. Although the word Blasphemy also has a different meaning, It acquired a negative connotation precisely with the advent of Christianity in Russia. hi
                      5. atalef
                        atalef 8 December 2013 21: 59
                        0
                        to compare the word Orthodoxy with the linguistic meanings of other peoples, the more Jews, this is blasphemy. Although the word Blasphemy also has a different meaning, It acquired a negative connotation precisely with the advent of Christianity in Russia.

                        Orthodox is Greek,
                        Does the word Christ not bother you? - savior in Greek
                        Like Old Russian b. l I am. d. - that had an ordinary and not obscene meaning - a lie, a deception.
                        Does the word Internet bother you? Having an analogue in Russian and a New Jerusalem monastery near Moscow - founded by Grozny, although Jerusalem is not necessary here, one should not seek out his superiority based solely on the entimology of words, many of which are not only neologisms, are borrowed from other languages, and often have nothing to do with Old Russian or Old Slavic (by the way into which the first canonical Bible texts were translated), so Old Slavic is much closer to Serbian than to Russian - is it an interesting twist - right? hi
                        I’m sorry, I won’t correct the whole text - neither Old Russian, but Old Russian and Old Slavonic - Old Russian are pretty close to Sanskrit hi
                      6. Setrac
                        Setrac 8 December 2013 22: 11
                        +3
                        Quote: atalef
                        the New Jerusalem Monastery near Moscow - founded by Grozny, although what does Jerusalem have to do with it,

                        "Our" New Jerusalem monastery near Moscow is much older than "your" Jerusalem, which was so named in the twentieth century.
              2. Boris55
                Boris55 9 December 2013 07: 57
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                All arguments over?

                Lied once - to stop a little.
                No, not arguments. With two-faced talk is meaningless.
                In one case, when it comes to goyim, you translate the word ORTHODOX as - ORTHODOX. In another, when it comes to the Jews, as JUSTICE.
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 8 December 2013 21: 50
            0
            Quote: atalef
            there were no different faiths; do not say nonsense; there were inaccuracies in the translation.

            The difference is too significant, Catholics do not believe in a trinity, but what is a trinity? Why are Orthodox Christians baptized with three fingers? The question of fingers is not idle, not abstract. Let me remind you that three fingers mean the trinity - the god of the father, the god of the son and the god of the holy spirit. Three hypostases of God symbolize the three facets of man
            god father is mind
            god son is the body
            god holy spirit - soul.
            From the point of view of the Catholic there
            heavenly father - mind
            man on earth is the body.
            There is no holy spirit in Western religion. Western religions reject the soul no less, it is the religion of the devil. And look at them - immoral, spiritless villains.
            1. atalef
              atalef 8 December 2013 22: 27
              +1
              god holy spirit - soul.
              From the point of view of the Catholic there

              One must be so illiterate, the holy spirit has nothing to do with the soul, but the son of God will be united into one hypostasis through the holy spirit from whom Jesus was born through a vicious conception. Well, when will people besides speedinf begin to read at least something normal?
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 8 December 2013 22: 40
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              the holy spirit has nothing to do with the soul, but the son will unite in one hypostasis God the father and God - through the holy spirit

              Probably in your Jewish religion. Let us not cite the myths of the Jews as evidence, the Jews are nobles.
              Quote: atalef
              Well, when will people besides speedinf begin to read at least something normal?

              Start with yourself, not with the "people."
            3. atalef
              atalef 8 December 2013 22: 53
              -1
              Start with yourself, not with the "people

              Be healthy and strong in faith, on this our theological delights stop
              hi
  33. Setrac
    Setrac 8 December 2013 21: 30
    0
    Quote: atalef
    do not smack nonsense. dear. The only thing you have written in all is that the Orthodox (and everything) outside of Russia are called Orthodox Christians and that’s why

    However, the very word "orthodox" - says that the Russian church is old (older), and the Western Catholic church is new (young). The very name "orthodox" speaks also of the primogeniture of the Russian Church before the Catholics.
    1. atalef
      atalef 8 December 2013 21: 50
      +1
      Quote: atalef
      do not smack nonsense. dear. The only thing you have written in all is that the Orthodox (and everything) outside of Russia are called Orthodox Christians and that’s why




      However, the very word "orthodox" - says that the Russian church is old (older), and the Western Catholic church is new (young). The very name "orthodox" speaks also of the primogeniture of the Russian Church before the Catholics.

      There is no birthright, for that matter the very first Christians (on a state scale, those states that adopted Christianity as a state religion) are Ethiopians and Armenians,
      And the fact that someone called himself an orthodox makes him the most ancient (in general, thousands of books have been written about the development of Christianity, why not just read) neither Fomenko and others like him, but more substantial works
      Pygmies, by the way, call themselves, the only correct ones (real people), like the Masai, by the way, does this statement make them such, think about it hi
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 8 December 2013 21: 50
      +1
      Quote: Setrac
      The very name "orthodox" speaks also of the primogeniture of the Russian Church before the Catholics.

      Not certainly in that way. The split into Catholics and Catholics, now Orthodox Christians, was before the baptism of Russia. In fact, it was one of the many branches of Christianity that survived the struggle with many interpretations of the teachings of Christ. hi
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 8 December 2013 22: 06
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Not certainly in that way. The split into Catholics and Catholics, now Orthodox Christians, was before the baptism of Russia. In fact, it was one of the many branches of Christianity that survived the struggle with many interpretations of the teachings of Christ.

        You do not know this. But you know very well about the Reformation. At the same time, in Russia there was a so-called split of the church, when the persecution of the Old Believers began, who were baptized with two fingers and rejected the Trinity, but even Catholics reject the Trinity! It is the Reformation that is the separation of the Catholic Church, I will draw attention to one more fad, it was at that time that the total rewriting of history began.
        And the way in which Prince Vladimir baptized Russia was invented by German historians under the Romanovs.
        1. atalef
          atalef 9 December 2013 09: 26
          0
          Quote: Setrac
          You do not know this. But you know very well about the Reformation.


          The Reformation has nothing to do with the debate on Catholics and Orthodox
          Quote: Setrac
          but Catholics reject Trinity!

          They do not reject it, but claim that God the Holy Spirit emanates not only from God the Father but also from God the Son, the Orthodox claim that God the Holy Spirit emanates only from God the Father
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 9 December 2013 11: 23
          0
          Quote: atalef
          They do not reject it, but claim that God the Holy Spirit emanates not only from God the Father but also from God the Son, the Orthodox claim that God the Holy Spirit emanates only from God the Father

          What nonsense did you write? You write in Russian, but I do not see the point.
        3. atalef
          atalef 9 December 2013 13: 27
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          Quote: Setrac
          Quote: atalef
          They do not reject it, but claim that God the Holy Spirit emanates not only from God the Father but also from God the Son, the Orthodox claim that God the Holy Spirit emanates only from God the Father

          What nonsense did you write? You write in Russian, but I do not see the point.

          It is not surprising why you do not see your level of knowledge on the topic. Read the literature, maybe then you will learn in addition about the difference in the idea of ​​the holy trinity of Orthodox Christians and Catholics, why Jesus is depicted without a halo on the icons of Armenians (Christians), and Catholics and Orthodox Christians already have a newborn Jesus with a halo, this will give you some answer to the question is which Christians are more ancient.
        4. Setrac
          Setrac 9 December 2013 13: 45
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          Quote: atalef
          Jesus at birth is portrayed without a halo, and among Catholics and Orthodox Christians - already a newborn Jesus with a halo, this will give you some answer to the question which Christians are more ancient.

          Well, you have powerful evidence. People write pictures, and people tend to make mistakes, everyone writes in different ways, as they write, it will be so.
          And what does the Armenians have to do with the split of the Russian and Western churches?
        5. atalef
          atalef 9 December 2013 14: 49
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          Quote: atalef
          Jesus at birth is portrayed without a halo, and among Catholics and Orthodox Christians - already a newborn Jesus with a halo, this will give you some answer to the question which Christians are more ancient.



          Well, you have powerful evidence. People write pictures, and people tend to make mistakes, everyone writes in different ways, as they write, it will be so.
          And what does the Armenians have to do with the split of the Russian and Western churches?

          Iconography is not a caricature of kukryniksy to you - there is no mistake for everyone, there is a theological explanation, and so the early Christians (Armenians, Ethiopians) - believe that Jesus was born as a man (this is due to the fact that when they converted to Christianity, they still remembered Jesus as man) and only after death and resurrection became a god (and this is visible in their icons, when Jesus appears the halo, only after the resurrection, he even on the cross without a halo, this difference is clearly visible when you walk along the different borders of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem) later Christians - believe that Jesus was born of the son of God (God, respectively) - the difference seems to be small - with the exception of the conclusions that can be made, in one case a righteous person can be resurrected and become a god, in the second only through the Holy Spirit from God’s father be born. Therefore, in one case, a halo, and in the other not.
          Armenians are generally the same Christians, but this concerned your statement about the antiquity of the Orthodox faith over others - Orthodox Christians are far from the very first Christians, Ethiopians and Armenians adopted Christianity much earlier (almost earlier than everyone), I am talking about the adoption of Christianity in the state. on the scale, and not in separate groups, the very first Christians, by definition, could not be anyone but Jews
  • atalef
    atalef 9 December 2013 09: 14
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    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Not certainly in that way. The split into Catholics and Catholics, now Orthodox Christians, was before the baptism of Russia. In fact, it was one of the many branches of Christianity that survived the struggle with many interpretations of the teachings of Christ.

    The split was 70 years after the baptism of Russia, I gave a link.
    Well, as for the mistakes, not only that I am not particularly literate, so even looking at what I am writing from the iPhone (small letters
    sometimes you’ll click on the wrong one) or from a tablet or transliteration. Around the ambush
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 9 December 2013 10: 48
      +1
      Hi Sanya. hi
      Quote: atalef
      The split was 70 years after the baptism of Rus

      This is the final one.
      The first powerful schism of the church in the west with a center in Rome and the east with a center in Constantinople occurred at the Council of Nicaea, assembled by Constantine in 325 AD e. (since the division of the ancient Roman Empire into two parts, with the foundation of Constantinople (Byzantium) by the Emperor Constantine the Great in 324-330 and the transfer of the capital of the Roman Empire there Since then, the struggle between the two Churches has actually become a struggle for primacy between the two capitals) , and the reason for the split was the recognition of the trinity of God (the Trinity) by some and the recognition of the subordination of Jesus Christ to God the Father by others. Later, both sides recognized the Trinity, which, however, did not lead them to a complete organizational merger. On the contrary, in 458, at the Chalcedon Cathedral, the church was finally split into Roman Catholic and Byzantine Orthodox on the question whether the Holy Spirit obeys Jesus Christ or only God the Father. Later, Russian, Armenian, Georgian, Bulgarian and other Orthodox churches sprang from the Byzantine.
      In fact, disagreements between the pope and the patriarch of Constantinople began long before 1054, but it was in 1054 that pope Leo IX sent legates to Constantinople led by Cardinal Humbert to resolve the conflict, which began with the closure of the Latin churches in Constantinople in 1053 by order of Patriarch Michael Kirularius in which his sakellarii Konstantin threw out the Holy Gifts, prepared according to the Western tradition from unleavened bread, from the gift-holders and stamped them with his feet. However, it was not possible to find a path to reconciliation, and on July 16, 1054, in the Hagia Sophia, the papal legates announced the deposition of Kirularius and his excommunication. In response to this, on July 20, the patriarch anathematized the legates.
      The split has not been overcome so far, although in 1965 mutual curses
    2. atalef
      atalef 9 December 2013 13: 32
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      Igor, we can only talk about the date of the final split. Since relations between Eastern and Western Christians have always been somewhat tense. First of all, because of the position of the capitals - Rome - Byzantium - everyone wanted to think of themselves as the center of the Christian world, but also because of the national characteristics of the peoples living there, many introduced Christianity and their pagan holidays (and what was done, Christianity had to advertise and bring it closer to faith) Therefore, Bacchanalia appeared, as well as the celebration of Ivan Kupala, And as for the schism and its forerunners, read about the problems with the canonization of the bibles, or at least about the agrarians
  • Setrac
    Setrac 9 December 2013 11: 24
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Well, as for the mistakes, not only that, in general, I am not particularly literate

    I don’t worry about mistakes, I don’t advise you. Here, the Bulgarian brothers write so that the Jews are friendly friends nervously smoking on the sidelines.
  • atalef
    atalef 8 December 2013 18: 16
    0
    Quote: Boris55
    This is the so-called pagan faith - NAV, RIGHT, REV (similarly - Sephar, Sipur, Sefer) meaning the trinity of the world.

    In general, probably Shafar, Sipur, Sefer - the ritual horn (Shafar) - (to which they sounded after the prayer) Si Sh - are written the same way, Sipur - the story, Sefer - the book --- Do you learn Hebrew?
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 8 December 2013 18: 22
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      This trinity (Sephar, Sipur, Sefer) corresponds to the trinity:
      1. Sephar - measure (form, matrix).
      2. Sipur - information (content, what is contained in the form, meaning, idea). Latin "informatio" - clarification, presentation. 1. A message about something. 2. Information that is the object of storage, processing and transmission (dictionary of foreign words). English “in” - in Russian the pretext “in” and “form” - in Russian “the form of the subject, the figure of a person”, etc., “in the form” - in Russian “in the form”, that is, what contained in the form.
      3. Sefep - matter (fruits of creation, “things”, as an embodied unity of form and content).
      In Nature, this “holy trinity” is inextricable: “So thought, word and scripture are only one thing in God ...”.

      In Russian - matter, information, measure.
      1. atalef
        atalef 8 December 2013 18: 32
        +2
        Quote: Boris55
        1. Sephar - measure (form, matrix).

        laughing maybe
        (Sifra - a number in Hebrew)
        Sefar (Heb. "Account", "calculus"),

        2. Sipur - information (content, what is contained in the form, meaning, idea). La Tin informatio

        Well, this is definitely the same thing (informatio - information - Sipur (Hebrew) - story
        - conversation
        3. Sefer - matter (fruits of creation)

        Sefer Yetzirah (Heb. ספר יצירה, Book of creation) Is one of the fundamental texts in the teachings of Kabbalah, the authorship of which is traditionally attributed to Abraham [1].

        Young man --- learn materiel and do not say nonsense
  • Christian
    Christian 8 December 2013 19: 29
    0
    Orthodox Christianity. This ignorance in matters of our faith says a lot ... The rejection of the roots of our people, of our ancestors. And from here all the troubles!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 8 December 2013 20: 13
      0
      Quote: Christian
      Orthodox Christianity. This ignorance in matters of our faith says a lot ... The rejection of the roots of our people, of our ancestors. And from here all the troubles!

      ?????
    2. rereture
      rereture 8 December 2013 23: 46
      +1
      Do not carry nonsense, if we talk about the roots, then we were pagans in general.
      1. atalef
        atalef 9 December 2013 00: 38
        0
        Quote: rereture
        Do not carry nonsense, if we talk about the roots, then we were pagans in general.

        and even earlier monkeys: wassat
        1. builder
          builder 9 December 2013 00: 47
          0
          some deer wink
          1. rereture
            rereture 9 December 2013 01: 44
            +1
            I agree straight to the point. good
        2. Altona
          Altona 9 December 2013 14: 59
          0
          Alalef, do not argue for religion in general ... Yesterday I entered Christ and Rokossovsky into patriots, but who lived with dubious women from the point of view of morality ... So some kind of quiet guy ousted them both ... drinks
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          2. atalef
            atalef 9 December 2013 18: 19
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            Quote: Altona
            Yesterday I entered Christ and Rokossovsky into patriots, but who lived with dubious women from the point of view of morality ... So, both of them, some kind of quiet man, have neglected

            Let the one who is without sin - the first to throw a stone at her
            Do not judge, yes we will not judge
            hi
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  • aviamed90
    aviamed90 8 December 2013 17: 23
    +2
    Christian

    Amen!
  • CTEPX
    CTEPX 8 December 2013 17: 55
    -1
    Quote: Christian
    , Church is only in Orthodoxy

    Quote: The church is a type of religious organization with a complex strictly centralized and hierarchical system of interaction between clergy and believers, which carries out the functions of generating, preserving and transmitting religious information, organizing and coordinating religious activities and controlling people's behavior)).
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 8 December 2013 19: 17
    +3
    And why should I repent? Russians have nothing to repent of.
    1. atalef
      atalef 9 December 2013 13: 36
      +1
      Quote: Mareman Vasilich
      And why should I repent? Russians have nothing to repent of.

      If you are an atheist, then yes. To repentance is one of the pillars of Orthodoxy. hi and Christianity in general
  • saag
    saag 8 December 2013 14: 30
    +1
    Quote: Sour
    In Russia, too, "the rise in welfare"

    Yeah, Deripaska's aluminum smelters (4 pcs.) Are halting their activities, 2000 people are being cut off at Zlatoust, etc., the people have become too tired of their well-being, I dare say that energy and metallurgy are the fundamental sectors of the country, if there is energy, with metallurgy, not everything is so rosy
    1. Sour
      Sour 8 December 2013 15: 19
      0
      Quote: saag
      Yeah, Deripaska's aluminum smelters (4 pcs.) Are suspending their activities,

      Aluminum production is falling almost everywhere this year, for example, in the EU it has fallen by 18, or 19%.
      In your beloved China, it is growing, but this is because China consumes more aluminum than it produces (in contrast to backward, in your opinion, Russia). China is a net importer of aluminum, among other things, despite the growth of domestic production.
    2. Altona
      Altona 9 December 2013 15: 05
      0
      Zlatoust with its capacities has bent due to new capacities in Chelyabinsk ... This is not news since 2010 ... These are the projects Height-239 and Stan-5000 ...
  • Narrator.tales
    Narrator.tales 8 December 2013 14: 32
    -3
    You need to serve in the army not for an invented homeland, for invented people somewhere in Moscow, but for your family. The state was created by people and for people, and throughout the heap of articles one can only hear that everyone owes the state, or vice versa. Patriotism consists in protecting and augmenting what you and your ancestors have created, especially your direct ancestors - parents. everything that happens now, as always, is not in the absence of patriotism, but vice versa. The ancestors of many created and multiplied the USSR, for example, and that they are not patriots? protesting against the destruction of what is left, or vice versa, the sons and daughters of those who began to build capitalism, defending the deeds of their fathers, brothers, are they not patriots? The patriot is the one who "" what to do, stupidly goes into the army, when in prison, perhaps a little worse, supports any government, any changes (bad in the first place), gives birth to a bunch of children just to cut alimony or works day and night because he said so someone, but not his ancestors. In the 1930s they said there was no God, everyone didn’t care, and lived for 70 years and nothing, in the 90s they said that there was, immediately everyone began to believe, but now where you don’t spit, since not Orthodox means not a patriot, etc. You can give birth to only one person, you can not serve, and if something happens to die for your own people, protecting them from the bandits, you can live only for your own people, you can not believe in God like many of your fathers and grandfathers, but you will be a patriot.
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 8 December 2013 17: 15
      -2
      Quote: Narrator.tales
      stupidly goes to the army

      You are not here)).
  • saag
    saag 8 December 2013 14: 45
    -1
    Quote: Narrator.tales
    Patriotism consists in protecting and enhancing what you and your ancestors created, especially direct ancestors - parents. everything that is happening now, as always, is not in the absence of patriotism, but vice versa. The ancestors of many created and multiplied the USSR, for example, and that are they not patriots?

    Everything is so, the power of the workers and peasants was proclaimed in the USSR (let’s not go deep as far as it was), ownership was on the means of production. Now everything has changed and how to protect and increase what used to belong to the people (state), and now to a single owner? You get to protect the private interests of a single person, and such owners are not one person, this way the protection of private interests is obtained, and not at all of the state.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 8 December 2013 15: 23
      -1
      Quote: saag
      this results in the protection of private interests, and not of the state at all.

      Please give a definition of how you understand the word state. What do you think it means?
    2. Sour
      Sour 8 December 2013 15: 23
      +2
      Quote: saag
      but not at all state.

      Patriots come from the country and nation, and not from the state (or municipality).
      You have a substitution of concepts, elementary illiteracy.
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 8 December 2013 20: 02
        +1
        Quote: Sour
        Patriots come from the country and nation,

        Timur Shaov said well on this occasion, "For the cops in Moscow, I am also a basurman,
        But I don’t confuse Fatherland with cops ”.
    3. CTEPX
      CTEPX 8 December 2013 17: 20
      0
      Quote: saag
      , the Soviet Union proclaimed the power of workers and peasants (let’s not go deeper as it was), ownership was the means of production.

      Not true. In the USSR, until 1986, both workers and peasants were deprived of the opportunity to own means of production. In the USSR, imperialism was built faster than anyone else in the world (as defined by Marx), but we did not manage to switch to socialism - we betrayed it)).
  • Narrator.tales
    Narrator.tales 8 December 2013 15: 13
    0
    Moreover, the slogan "we do not have enough patriots" is stupid.
  • demotivator
    demotivator 8 December 2013 15: 39
    +2
    To begin with, it is necessary, at least, to return the simple word "Russian" to the use of politicians. After all, which of them you will not listen to, no one ever out loud, in public, well, except perhaps, except for Zhirinovsky, this word practically does not use. As if there were no Russians left in the world. There are also other points, one way or another connected with the problem of patriotism, but more about them later. It was not for nothing that Stalin raised a toast to the great Russian people. And he already understood what he was doing, as well as the importance of the Russian people in the country called "Russia".
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX 8 December 2013 17: 26
      0
      Quote: demotivator
      Stalin raised a toast to the great Russian people

      Even Stalin was able to raise this toast only AFTER the Great Victory)).
      Quote: demotivator
      he understood what he was doing, as well as the importance of the Russian people in the country called "Russia".

      Moreover, he understood the significance of the Russian people in a state called the USSR)).
  • shurup
    shurup 8 December 2013 15: 42
    0
    Patriotism, as it should be, is written in the text of the military oath.
    Apparently, officials and all citizens in general must take a civil oath upon obtaining a passport.
    After that, perhaps the number of loud phony patriots will decrease.
  • chehywed
    chehywed 8 December 2013 17: 31
    +3
    What kind of patriotism we need

    Well, certainly not like that ...
    1. chehywed
      chehywed 8 December 2013 17: 34
      +1
      Here's another "patriot", and yet they walk next to us.
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 8 December 2013 18: 18
        +3
        They would be close to visit here with these guys from military sports clubs))
        1. rereture
          rereture 8 December 2013 23: 50
          +1
          Quote: ctepx
          They would be close to visit here with these guys from military sports clubs))

          Yes, these youngsters fuck these guys need.
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 8 December 2013 18: 28
    +8
    Strange article ...
    Everything is somehow turned upside down and good, correct concepts are mixed with water and blurred into empty mud ...

    Patriotism is primarily ACTION and ACTION, not words.
    For example:
    - Colonel General Anatoly Alexandrovich Romanov. who practically laid down his life for peace in the Caucasus. The most intelligent general thought about the lives of soldiers and civilians in the performance of their official duties. He is the Patriot of his homeland, rooting for her sons.
    - Lieutenant Colonel Efentiev Alexey Viktorovich (Gyurza), this is his Mad Company planted in 1996 (!!!) over the impregnable Bamut Red flagand not tricolor. He is the Patriot of his duty and Oath.
    Such people will NEVER betray their homeland.
    Such examples are MASS.

    Patriotism is carried in the soul proudly, as a title. It is inextricably linked with the whole worldview of man. And in extreme situations, comes forward over other values.
    Patriotism does not arise on desires alone, it is absorbed by GENERATIONS since childhood.
    Patriotism does not exist in its pure form as a concept. It is woven into all actions, thoughts, actions and words without unnecessary cheap protrusion.
    Patriotism is multifaceted. There is a simple, ordinary patriotism.

    I still recall a case told by a German acquaintance:
    He and his family on the "Caravan" broke down in the winter on the way to ... the Alps (I don’t remember exactly). The road is not so hot, rare drivers do not stop. Technical assistance is delayed. Coldly.
    Without a request, he stopped the same "caravan" as he had. The stranger examined the breakdown and gestured for his family to get into his warm trailer. And he himself, together with the head of the family, corrected the breakdown (the German still does not know that he had failed).
    He did not leave until he was convinced that the victims were all right.
    The stranger refused money. When asked who he was, he answered: My name is Ildar, I am Russian...
    And, telling me this story behind the "drink" in the gash, the German thoughtfully said:
    “Only you Russians can unselfishly help strangers ...”
    He has IT deposited in his soul for life ...
    What is not an example of simple and true patriotism?

    Photo: there is no Union, but there is a Banner ... Such a people cannot be defeated.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 8 December 2013 19: 24
      +2
      Great wrote Aleks TV ..! Thanks for the soul hooked ..
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 8 December 2013 19: 56
        +2
        Quote: MIKHAN
        hooked on the soul ..

        Thank you Vitaliy. Duc from the Soul and wrote.

        ADD:
        I read some comments, and could not understand the dispute about Power and Patriotism ...
        Do not interfere in one heap of a concept: Government-Homeland-Law-Fatherland-Obligation

        nost-duty.
        Not so long ago I quoted one wonderful phrase that reveals a lot if to ponder:

        "The government sends to the war, and we protect MOTHERLAND".

        This phrase reveals a lot in its essence - Debt is always at the forefront.
        For me this is Patriotism.
    2. Asgard
      Asgard 8 December 2013 19: 51
      +2
      Brilliantly..... good
      ... a patriot loves .... his Motherland, the land, respects his parents and neighboring neighbors, behaves in such a way that the "Germans" think why We are not like them (Russians))) ....
      Why the Rus do not strive to "snatch", I know a guy in St. Petersburg who goes out into the yard every evening and plays football with children, buys balls, knee pads, boots for his own balls, not for his children, but He says that "other people's children "does not happen, they are all OUR ...
      Here is Andrey patriot ??? He is Man !!!!
      Each of you do something for the benefit of the people living near you, go by, see the boys smoke, the girls drink, stop, talk to them, tell us how iron nails dissolve in Coca-Cola, and men become unmarried from cigarettes)) )) .....
      Wait, I often visit Petrozavodsk, all the local punks know me, they smile, they don't smoke or drink in front of me (they hide)) because in the evening I go out "hunting" to communicate with young people and breathe some air, tell them all sorts of stories)))) with aiming at them)) they understand, there was a time they ran away from me, wait, they say hello, they come up (I always have time for them))
      Went to the Alesandro-Nevsky Lavra, showed them the church — five minutes from their place of residence, told why the Temples are being built according to the same project, (what they look like)) said that THIS was a secret (so that they wouldn’t tell priests))) they say obscurantists and they themselves don’t know --- -I think that out of 23 people who listened to me, the Orthodox will not work ....
      But in the Faithful (knowing and Believing in Truth)) they will go themselves .....

      And It will be difficult to fool them, I ask what they are taught in History and tell them how it HAS actually been, and this is verified by simple Logic, do you believe what is written in the textbook or Uncle Volodya .... ?????
      Uncle Volodya always wins)))))And they quit smoking, are embarrassed in any case (we talk for an hour and a half)) they call friends from computers (this is a feat)) they ask questions, you are given a diva (they climb on the Internet specially)))

      We have good kids, you just have to deal with them .... Spend 1,5 hours with your ........ -I think that today's parents do not live a common life with a child for so long)))) Do not pass children on the landing, do not swear, say something (first, Good))) earn respect))))
      Remember it is your fault that they are not the Masters in their Country !?)))))
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 8 December 2013 20: 50
        0
        Quote: Asgard
        showed them the church — five minutes from their place of residence, told why the Temples are being built according to the same project, (what they look like)) said that THIS was a secret (so that they wouldn’t tell priests))) they say obscurantists and they themselves don’t know --- -I think that out of 23 people who listened to me, the Orthodox will not work ....
        But in the Faithful (knowing and Believing in Truth)) they will go themselves ....
        Quote: Asgard
        And It will be difficult to fool them, I ask, what they teach them on the story and tell you how it actually was, and this is verified by simple logic, do you believe what is written in the textbook or Uncle Volodya .... ????? Uncle Volodya always wins

        Uncle Volodya, you explain to them "how it really was"relying on logic? Well, I can tell you a non-trivial move. When your wards begin to undergo anatomy.
        - Children, did you see the human brain in the textbook?
        - Yeah!
        - Do you see him at Uncle Volodya? ... That's it!
        Asgard, You sculpt from children "infidels" and ignoramuses, and you are proud that they smoke in your sleeve.
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  • Andrey Ulyanovsky
    Andrey Ulyanovsky 8 December 2013 19: 53
    +1
    The topic cannot be disclosed in principle. How can you say: patriotism is ... ??? IMHO, of course, but ... - this is not indifference, it all starts with this, when, as MIKHAN said, "hooked".
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 8 December 2013 20: 07
    +1
    ................................
  • Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 8 December 2013 20: 13
    +1
    Some question is not right!
    Which country do we need?
    There will be a normal country and the question of patriotism will disappear by itself.
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 8 December 2013 20: 21
    +2
    Rasteryaev has a song about Patriotism: Real and ... "trendy" ...
    This is the pain of our current state in the present Patriotic education.
    Heavy song.
    "George Ribbon":

  • Boris63
    Boris63 8 December 2013 20: 37
    +1
    Patriotism. Remember the two empresses Anna Ioannovna (nee Russian) and Catherine 2 (nee German), which of them was a great patriot of Russia. In addition, the civil war, whom can be considered great patriots - white or red, although some fought ea Russia, while others fought for Soviet power. Until 1917, there were poor and rich, but residents of the Russian Empire: Russians, Bashkirs, Tatars, etc. went out to defend their homeland and even multiply. But still, now, it is necessary to cultivate patriotism.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 8 December 2013 21: 57
      +1
      Quote: Boris63
      Patriotism. Remember the two empresses Anna Ioannovna (nee Russian) and Catherine 2 (nee German), which of them was a great patriot of Russia.

      Well you give! Your naivety breaks all records. You know about Catherine the second what she wrote to herself. She may have been a patriot, only her homeland was NOT Russia.
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 8 December 2013 23: 22
        +2
        Setrac, hi .
        Quote: Setrac
        You know about Catherine the second what she wrote to herself. She may have been a patriot, but she’s NOT her homeland

        "She wrote to herself" lot...
        During her reign, the territory of Russia increased quite significantly: of 50 provinces 11 were acquired during the years of her reign. The country's population has almost doubled, and the state budget has quadrupled. When it was built 144 new cities (more than 4 cities per year throughout the reign). More than 200 laws have been issued. A flood of emigrants from Europe poured into Russia. The army almost doubled, the number of ships of the Russian fleet increased from 20 to 67 linear ships, not counting other ships. The army and navy won 78 brilliant victories that strengthened Russia's international prestige.
        Well, it’s clear that for you this is not patriotic enough ... hi
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 9 December 2013 00: 26
          +1
          Quote: chehywed
          "She wrote to herself" a lot ...

          yes
        2. rereture
          rereture 9 December 2013 01: 57
          0
          Remember the Potemkin villages, the favorites and lovers of Catherine. Corruption, foreign agents.

          Here is a list of the empress’s men.

          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_мужчин_Екатерины_II

          She was also seen in old age in poor relations with handmaidens.
          In short, she was a libertine and gave her lovers to everyone.
  • fedval7560
    fedval7560 8 December 2013 20: 42
    +2
    Patriotism is both very difficult and quite simple. It’s impossible to be a patriot right away for money. Probably everyone who served in the army experienced certain feelings when taking out a banner, swearing, walking in formation. You are not alone, there are many of us, we are next to each other, we will carry out any task. Probably the athletes as well. It is pleasant to realize that you are part of a large country with troubles and victories. It’s not nice when children talk only about bucks and sites and idols for them, unfortunately, are not three heroes and not VI Chapaev. It is shameful when they confuse Kutuzov with Macedonian and Don. It’s not nice that geologists are pilots and .... less honorable than an intermediary manager. It’s unpleasant when forests and fields are soiled. It is unpleasant when they change history in any way, and other countries teach how to live. It is normal when children and family. That's who is ready to defend all this in my patriot. Of course it's too short.
  • SPACE
    SPACE 8 December 2013 22: 25
    0
    Earth-Motherland-Motherland is given from above, Fatherland-Country-Fathers, where our fathers did great things, built the State, and we children, sons, heirs continue to live on the earth to use its blessings and build the State. We serve the Fatherland, pay the debt to the motherland! Understanding and recognizing this in its entirety and without any reservations is Patriotism, and our words, forms and actions or inaction can have any even the most, probably unbelievable character, the main thing is that our affairs do not go against the Motherland and the State!
  • Evkur
    Evkur 9 December 2013 01: 35
    0
    Power is not Motherland! At the Second World War in the trenches, the soldiers raised a glass of the first for the land of Mother, the second for the Soviet people and already the third for Stalin! Zhukov said the same at buffets. Grains should not be confused with "rotten ram". And so article on 4
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 9 December 2013 01: 48
    +2
    Afigel maleho in a full hollow from many comments ...
    The people, in the process, forgot that there was a discussion of Patriotism.
    Lana, let's go from the other flank (for clever psychologists) ..., everyone knows the march Farewell of the Slav ?:

    1). We are standing on Monday building part.
    Morning, B.I. Chilly, B.Ya. Tired as mammoths from the previous field exit. Hangover from the weekend, b ...
    And here the command reinforced by the loudspeaker bzdanul:
    - Management of the regiment directly, the rest ... on Pra ... IN !!!
    Blame, click. This autopilot worked.
    - Step ... ARSH !!!
    And the regimental orchestra struck, and we howled in unison:
    “... The roasted cock pecked in the ass!
    I remain in long service.
    Maybe they’ll give red ghosts.
    Do not put your sweaty feet
    On my hairy chest ... ".

    Do not judge us strictly. We are just in the SERVICE, not you ...
    We can afford to smile a little within the framework of our own permissible, and no more ...
    And no more !!!
    These are our workdays ...

    2). Building Parts for Victory Day.
    All polished and ironed.
    Veterans on the podium ...
    - To the Solemn March!
    - By mouth!
    - At one linear distance!
    - Management of the regiment directly, the rest ... on Pra ... IN!
    Schrum ..., the united Army Organization responded to this.
    - Step ... ARSH !!!
    And the regimental orchestra struck, and we strode synchronously, printing a step with boots on the parade ground with one single breath of the system.
    And in our eyes - ... tears ... Because it is - FAREWELL SLAVENKA !!!

    We will die for our Motherland, but we will not betray.
    So it was, so it is and so it will be.
    That’s all Patriotism.


    Video: November 7 1941 Parade in besieged Moscow, music - Slavyanka's farewell:

    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 9 December 2013 01: 53
      +3
      And in pursuit of another video about the march "Farewell of the Slavyanka."

      I have nothing against my Ukrainian brothers ... We are one people. Politicians - let him go to the ... bathhouse.

      I'm just talking about Oath and Patriotism... Are we talking about this? Or gnawing at the forum about who knows more about Patriotism, clawing fingers with clave?

      Everything is SIMPLE and ... hard: