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Dusification is gaining momentum. Will English in Central Asia Replace Russian?

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Dusification is gaining momentum. Will English in Central Asia Replace Russian?In November, Russian Prime Minister D. Medvedev created the Russian Language Council under the government, which will deal with its state support and development. The main focus of the Council’s activities will be the promotion of the Russian language abroad, where the sphere of its distribution has been constantly narrowed in recent years. Meanwhile, the priority of the newly created body should be paid to the CIS countries, where the Russian-speaking space is shrinking much faster than we would like.


According to the degree of the spread of the Russian language, Central Asia can be divided into two large zones. The first is Kazakhstan, where the vast majority of the population (more than 80%) speaks Russian, and the second is Kirghizia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Turkmenistan, where from 50 to 80% of the population and more do not know Russian. The trends in the development of language processes in these zones are also opposite. In Kazakhstan, despite the policy of targeted administrative introduction of the Kazakh language, the share of the Russian-speaking population has not declined over the years of independence, but, on the contrary, has increased. And this is despite the fact that the number of the very Russian population of Kazakhstan over the years has decreased almost by half (by 40%). In other republics of the region, the number of Russian-speaking population after the collapse of the USSR began to decline rapidly with the departure of Russians and other "non-indigenous" peoples.

According to the All-Union Census of 1989, Russian was spoken by 62,8% of Kazakhs, 36,9% of Kyrgyz, 30% of Tajiks, 27,5% of Turkmen and 22,3% of Uzbeks living in the territory of their “own” republics. The level of proficiency in Russian among the "indigenous" ethnic minorities living in these republics was about the same.

At the same time, the Russian population of local languages ​​almost did not know. According to the census, the language of the title ethnos was 4,5% of the Russian population of Uzbek, 3,5% - Tajik, 2,5% - Turkmen, 1,2% - Kyrgyz, and 0,9% - Kazakh SSR.

A much higher level of knowledge of the Russian language by the Kazakhs was explained by a number of reasons: the earlier inclusion of the territory of present-day Kazakhstan into Russia (in some northern regions Russians live for 400 years), a much higher proportion of the “European” population (Eastern Slavs at the end of 1980- x years exceeded the number of Kazakhs), the close integration of the republic into the union economy, which required a wider distribution of the Russian language among the indigenous population.

Twenty years later, the language situation in Central Asia looks different. According to A.L. Arefieva, on 2009-2012 84% of the population of Kazakhstan, 49% - of Kyrgyzstan, 41% - of Uzbekistan, 33% - of Tajikistan and the whole of 18% - of Turkmenistan owns Russian. But the concept of “fluent in Russian” can be very broad. Typically, the source of such data is censuses or various surveys, and the person himself determines the level of language proficiency in them. From the experience of communication with representatives of the indigenous people of Central Asia, it is obvious that the majority of labor migrants who come to work in Russia can hardly speak a few words in Russian, but in the course of the survey they may well state that they speak the language. A much more realistic picture is drawn by data on the number of people actively speaking Russian. In Kazakhstan, there are 72%, in Kyrgyzstan - 36%, in Uzbekistan - 14%, and in Tajikistan and Turkmenistan - only 12%. Generally, they do not speak Russian 16% of the population of Kazakhstan, 50% - of Kyrgyzstan, 59% - of Uzbekistan, 67% - of Tajikistan and 82% - of Turkmenistan.

Statistics of the spread of the Russian language reflects the following trend. The farther away the republic is from Russia, the lower is the percentage of those who speak Russian. If in Kazakhstan almost everyone knows him, then in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan - only every second, and in Tajikistan and Turkmenistan the majority of the population does not own it. While maintaining the existing trends, the Russian-speaking cultural and linguistic space in the peripheral countries of Moscow in relation to Moscow in the near future threatens to fade away. Moreover, the number of Russians themselves in these republics has fallen to a record low. In Tajikistan, according to the 2010 census, there are no more than 38 thousand Russians (0,5% of the total population), although on the eve of the collapse of the USSR 388 thousand lived there, and along with other “European” ethnic groups (Ukrainians, Belorussians, Germans, and . p.) - almost half a million people.

In Turkmenistan, according to various estimates, approximately 100 thousand Russians remain today (about 2% of the population), whereas in 1989 there were 334 thousand.

Reducing to a critical level the share of the Slavic population, together with the crisis situation in the field of education, makes the tendency of narrowing the Russian-speaking space difficult to reverse. Moreover, these processes affect not only Turkmenistan and Tajikistan, but also, to a lesser extent, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan.

However, the narrowing of the sphere of use of the Russian language is the result of not only “natural” migration and demographic processes. Most countries in the region pursue a deliberate policy to reduce Russian-language education and translate it into title languages. According to A.L. Arefieva, the number of students in Russian in 2010 / 2011. compared to 1990 / 1991. decreased in Kazakhstan from 2 million. 224 thousand. to 690 thousand (by 69%), in Uzbekistan - from 636 to 221 thousand (by 65%), in Tajikistan - from 120 to 47 thousand. (by 61%), in Turkmenistan - from 127,1 to 6,5 thousand people. (on 95%). And only in Kyrgyzstan, the number of students in Russian over the years has increased by 14% (from 248,9 to 283,5 thousand people). In Turkmenistan, Russian-speaking education has now virtually been completely eliminated, and in Tajikistan and, to a lesser extent, in Uzbekistan, it has fallen to a level at which the reproduction of the Russian-speaking information and cultural environment was in question. In Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, the situation with Russian-speaking education is still more favorable, although the strengthening of nationalist sentiments is also evident here.

Speaking at the 18 of October at the congress of the ruling party “Nur Otan”, Nursultan Nazarbayev announced the full translation of training in the Kazakh language over the next 12 years. “By 2025, we will fully translate the Kazakh education. You know what percentage of Kazakhs among all Kazakhstanis in the years of independence, - the president said - And now the percentage of Kazakhs is more than 70% (the share of Kazakhs in the country's population according to 2009 census - 63,1% - author's comment.) And Kazakh-speaking the regions should already go to the Kazakh paperwork. " True, it is not entirely clear who exactly these plans will affect - only the Kazakhs or the Russians too. At least in the regions where there is not enough Kazakh population, N. Nazarbayev urged to preserve bilingualism. In the case of a complete transfer of education to the state language, Kazakhstan is guaranteed a massive outflow of Russians, who make up a quarter of the population (3,7 million), which is highly undesirable for the authorities, by their own admission.

In general, according to the president of Kazakhstan, young people should know three languages ​​- Kazakh, Russian and English; in the future, Chinese can also become promising.

In Uzbekistan, according to the information of the online publication News-Asia in the new academic year, the number of hours of teaching the Russian language has significantly decreased. In secondary schools, it will now be studied not from the first class, as before, but from the second. In the Uzbek-language and Russian-language schools (there are about 850), the Russian language will be taught two hours a week, and in schools with Tajik, Kazakh and Kyrgyz languages ​​of instruction - only one hour. Instead of Russian, it is planned to focus on English, which will begin to learn not from the second, but from the first class. In order to popularize it, teachers will be obliged to begin each lesson in any subject with the English greeting “Welcome, children”. The teachers themselves are also obliged to attend English classes. Since many textbooks in the republic have not yet been translated into Uzbek, reducing the volume of Russian-language teaching in school will inevitably lead to a decrease in the quality of education and level of education. In preschool educational institutions, the situation with the Russian language is even more complicated. According to the publication, children attending kindergartens are trying to completely protect from the Russian language. Thus, in several oblasts of the republic, literature written in Russian is being withdrawn, and not only Russian works are being seized, but also Uzbek folk tales translated into Russian.

In Turkmenistan, starting from the new academic year, teaching in Russian at the State Institute of Culture is prohibited. By order of the rector, all subjects, with the exception of the Russian language, can now be taught only in the state (Turkmen) language.

Meanwhile, in the 22 of the year since the collapse of the USSR, textbooks in such disciplines as directing, music, film, acting, drama, or история Theater, in Turkmen language has not been published.

The same textbooks that are available were published in Russian during the Soviet era and are already outdated. However, to use them in school is now possible only with a translation into the Turkmen language. At the same time, there is a demand for Russian-language education in Turkmenistan. In the Turkmen-Russian school named after A.S. Pushkin - the only secondary school in the country where teaching is conducted according to Russian programs in Russian, the competition is several dozen people per place.

In Kyrgyzstan, where the position of the Russian language has been relatively comfortable for a long time, the situation began to deteriorate after the coup d'états of 2005 and especially of 2010, accompanied by the aggravation of inter-ethnic relations. In November, the opposition governor of Osh Oblast Sooronbay Jeenbekov demanded 2010 from his subordinates, including akims (heads of local administrations), heads of organizations and institutions to provide him with information only in the state language. According to the governor, over the past 20 years, insufficient attention has been paid to its development, which threatens the sovereignty of the country. In July, 2011, Mr. S. Jeenbekov, criticized a number of districts for their poor work in promoting the Kyrgyz language, in particular, the presence in hospitals, canteens, recreation centers, tax service offices, registry offices and other institutions of signs and billboards in Russian.

In March 2013, Kyrgyz President Almazbek Atambayev signed amendments to the law "On the official language of the Kyrgyz Republic", allowing local authorities to issue regulations only in the state (Kyrgyz) language in the event that the titular population prevails among the inhabitants administrative entity. Soon, the head of the Kyrgyz government, Jantoro Satybaldiev, approved an action plan for training Kyrgyz civil servants and transferring office work to it in central and local government bodies. In May of this year, the head of the Asab party, Salmoorbek Dyikanov, made a proposal to completely switch to the Kyrgyz language in the field of higher education, which in the republic so far has been mostly Russian-speaking. In his opinion, students from rural areas who do not know Russian experience great stress from teaching it, which threatens them with mental distortions. Meanwhile, a survey conducted in the summer of 2012 in the southern regions of the republic (1500 people, 500 teachers, parents and students) showed that 70% of schoolchildren from Batken, Osh and Jalal-Abad oblasts would like to learn not only Kyrgyz, but also Russian, among parents, the number of supporters of learning Russian reaches 90%.

In some ways, the narrowing of the sphere of application of the Russian language in Central Asia is objective.

In all countries of the region there are strong nationalistic sentiments, and in order to seize the initiative from the nationalists, the authorities are forced to administratively expand the scope of application of the title languages.

The volume of Russian-language education in recent years is not sought to be reduced only in Tajikistan, but after the flight of the majority of the Russian population during the civil war, it already is not in the best condition there. However, no one prohibits defending the position of the Russian language in Russia. This can be done both by means of diplomacy, stating that the Russian language is one of the key elements of the “soft power” of the Russian Federation, and by launching a wide variety of educational programs, the demand for which will only increase as the older generation of teachers, the Russian scientists, emerge.
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  1. Civil
    Civil 7 December 2013 07: 40
    18
    Well, great, let them go on migrant workers to London!
    1. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 7 December 2013 10: 35
      +7
      "Let them go to London to work as a guest!"
      They both went to work in the Russian Federation and will continue to ride. The only difference is that in Russian they won’t understand a squirrel. About 10 years ago, non-Russified Gaster was a minimum, now a maximum. This does not bother them.
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 7 December 2013 13: 53
        +8
        Quote: Grandson of Veteran
        "Let them go to London to work as a guest!"
        They both went to work in the Russian Federation and will continue to ride. The only difference is that in Russian they won’t understand a squirrel. About 10 years ago, non-Russified Gaster was a minimum, now a maximum. This does not bother them.

        Enter the visa regime and do not let anyone in. And to catch and deport all illegally settled immigrants, forcing them to work on a ticket in advance.
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 7 December 2013 18: 17
          +3
          Quote: Warrawar
          And to catch and deport all illegally settled immigrants, forcing them to work on a ticket in advance.

          Vernyak 10000000000%!
          Only the heads of all construction offices and investment and development companies "ALUR", "MIC", "Megapolis Development" and so on worked out tickets with them. I think that every city has its own developers.
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 7 December 2013 10: 48
      +4
      The devil is not so terrible as he is painted. Naturally, all paperwork must necessarily be conducted in national languages. But it is also advisable to know foreign languages, be it English and Russian. We do not live in a separate atoll, the world is globalizing, whether we like it or not. For example, I am very upset because I haven’t learned English. Russian is also important because we are surrounded by people who know this language. But I’m categorically opposed to know foreign languages ​​and not know our native language. This is MANKURT and nothing more. This is not to respect yourself. And who doesn’t respects himself, others do not respect him.
      1. Very old
        Very old 7 December 2013 11: 36
        +6
        Rauf, the Turks in Istanbul flatly refused to believe that I am Russian
        Lower Buzovny. 1949 Of all - one. The only difference was ... You know what
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 7 December 2013 15: 27
          +3
          Quote: Very old
          . In what

          and in what?
        2. xetai9977
          xetai9977 7 December 2013 17: 17
          +4
          Valentin, respect to you and respect that you have learned the Azerbaijani language. We have many Russians, especially young people, who know our language very well. Yes, there is an understanding that you don’t need a translator in Azerbaijan and Turkey.
      2. sergey32
        sergey32 7 December 2013 14: 27
        +4
        The devil is not so terrible as he is painted. 

        As I was driving home from work, I saw two Tajik guest workers at the bus stop. I work in the countryside, transport does not go very often, I decided to let them down. Go. I say to one: "fasten your seat belt." He doesn't understand anything at all. Another older one said something to him in his own angry, from the whole phrase I only made out "the devil is not Russian." Buckled up quickly.
    3. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 7 December 2013 10: 55
      13
      Quote: Civil
      In November, Russian Prime Minister D. Medvedev created a Russian Language Council under the government, which will deal with its state support and development.

      That's the name of Medvedev and scares in this project! He even created something - what works fine ?.
      1. alone
        alone 7 December 2013 11: 50
        18
        I think if DAM took up this work, and even with the created council, the difficult days of the Russian language will soon come.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 7 December 2013 14: 19
          +7
          Quote: lonely
          I think if DAM took up this work, and even with the created council, the difficult days of the Russian language will soon come.


          Yes, you see sometimes how the victims of the exam speak great and mighty grab their heads. And this is in Russia, where Russian is the native language. recently showed a program about the Russian language in Baku, showed a school of 145, So 14 year old teens speak Russian so well and clean that it’s even surprising, But for these children Russian is NOT NATIVE, but they speak and know how to formulate their thoughts better than some students of elite Moscow colleges. Although, as far as I know, the Russian language in Azerbaijan does not have an official status, as in the same Ukraine.
          Let there be one such school there and children of difficult parents to study, and this is an isolated case, but the quality of teaching is simply amazing.
          1. Very old
            Very old 7 December 2013 14: 46
            +1
            Stas!
            Ali do not read the comments on the tape?
            Not Russian at all.
            Wild game.
            My "teacher" - one of those high school girls, would have fallen dead
            The rest is in PM
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz 7 December 2013 15: 34
            +4
            Quote: Ascetic
            recently showed a program about the Russian language in Baku, showed a school of 145, So 14 year old teens speak Russian so well and clean that it’s even surprising, But for these children Russian is NOT NATIVE, but they speak and know how to formulate their thoughts better than some students of elite Moscow colleges. Although, as far as I know, the Russian language in Azerbaijan does not have an official status, as in the same Ukraine.
            Let there be one such school there and the children of difficult parents study and this is an isolated case, but the quality of teaching is simply amazing.

            In Baku, surprisingly, many speak Russian well, just add to this knowledge of English, we still do not forget about 2 million Azerbaijanis in Russia, who, unlike Asian migrant workers, study mainly in schools and universities, though the fashion went specifically to speak with a Kazakh accent.
            But what is striking, I noticed in Baku a very excellent knowledge of Russian, with a single BUT, the Baku accent, he infuriates me personally)) it blows with some pathos. Although it tastes and color, maybe it's my troubles))) And as the Russians say in Azerbaijani, this is grating)
            1. alone
              alone 7 December 2013 17: 13
              +3
              laughing
              Quote: Yeraz
              ) And as the Russians say in Azerbaijani, this is a hickey)


              it’s a pity that the old one is really gone online. He would have spoken to you Ali, in Azerbaijani like a real Buzovninsky))
          3. alone
            alone 7 December 2013 15: 54
            +4
            Stanislav, it is not surprising that Azerbaijan continues to study the Russian language. In the first, we were connected by almost 200 years of living together. It is impossible to throw it out. In the second, even if we now live in separate countries, it does not bother anyone to know the language.
          4. Platov
            Platov 7 December 2013 23: 59
            0
            When my brother, after eight years of age, who graduated by one in threes, after three weeks of study in each academic year by the correspondence method of study, the institute entered the full-time department. That was in the seventies. And then the school was a mess. And I'm for the exam.
      2. Horde
        Horde 7 December 2013 12: 47
        +2
        Quote: S_mirnov
        That's the name of Medvedev and scares in this project! He even created something - what works fine ?.


        Alexander welcome.

        In November, Russian Prime Minister D. Medvedev created a Russian Language Council under the government, which will deal with its state support and development.


        Prime Minister Medvedev has created a commission that will deal with the accelerated collapse and destruction of the Russian language. That’s how I think it will be more accurate ...
      3. Very old
        Very old 7 December 2013 14: 29
        +1
        What are you talking about, Smirnov?
        Is it created to create?
    4. Warrawar
      Warrawar 7 December 2013 13: 54
      +5
      Quote: Civil
      Well, great, let them go on migrant workers to London!

      I support! In general, one should worry not about the "de-Russification" of Central Asia, but about the "de-Russification" in Russia itself and in the nearest European countries.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 7 December 2013 14: 27
        +8
        Quote: Warrawar
        I support! In general, one should worry not about the "de-Russification" of Central Asia, but about the "de-Russification" in Russia itself and in the nearest European countries.


        I’ll never forget. Somehow, a good friend invited me to visit his dacha for a birthday party. And then we had a conversation with him about the accident on the Proton, missiles and so on. And he had a mother-in-law, far beyond 70, an honored education worker, listened to a couple of minutes, Then he tells us in such a teacherly tone literally the following-While we will have the exam and the Bologna system, your missiles will continue to fall
        Here are her words in a frame and stick to every member of the Komi Commission with Medvedev at the head with a sticker on his forehead so that every day they look and read in the mirror.
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 7 December 2013 15: 10
          +6
          Why are you all on this Medvedev. Although you yourself acknowledge that it is manual.
          Yes - a puppet. And whose? Imagine it will not be tomorrow. And what, immediately return the Soviet textbooks and that teaching system? The influence from the outside is too great, and not even through Medvedev, but already through finances wholly tied in the West.
          Until the tentacles of an octopus called "foundations", "charitable organizations", "institutions" and so on are cut off, nothing will change dramatically.
          It may slow down by some actions, BUT IT WILL NOT CHANGE.
  2. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 7 December 2013 07: 42
    13
    If DAM took up the RUSSIAN LANGUAGE, WAIT FOR IT'S COMPLETE FORGOTTEN ON THE POST-SOVIET SPACE (judging by the reforms in education).
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 7 December 2013 08: 04
      +2
      For Serdyukov-Medvedev.
      And that would be right. Not at all? There is no reason at all. Because of inaction.
      1. Very old
        Very old 7 December 2013 11: 55
        +4
        And inaction is worse than crime.
        This is already an encouragement.
    2. vlad0
      vlad0 7 December 2013 12: 54
      +6
      DAM promised us its activity until the 70th anniversary.
      God save Russia!
      1. Very old
        Very old 7 December 2013 18: 11
        +3
        God, hear VLAD.
        Hear us
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 8 December 2013 00: 23
          0
          Quote: Very old
          God, hear VLAD.
          Hear us

          Not this way.
          - Vlad God, hear us !!!
          - Fuck off, not the 37th.
  3. Deniska999
    Deniska999 7 December 2013 08: 00
    +1
    Central Asia is gradually moving away from Russia.
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 7 December 2013 09: 10
      15
      Quote: Deniska999
      Central Asia is gradually moving away from Russia.

      I’m deeply mistaken in this, most likely, but exactly the opposite, Russia itself will lose the Russian language, just look at the signs of shops and other banners, sometimes it seems that only English-speaking citizens live in Russia. First you need to put things in order, and then speak for others.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 7 December 2013 10: 58
        +9
        Quote: Sirocco
        First you need to put things in order, and then speak for others.

        What a wonderful thought! The trouble is that putting things in order is something you need to do! And to speak for others is simple, you don’t even need to tear off the back of a chair.
        We must often poke people with their noses at this simple truth!
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco 7 December 2013 11: 54
          +2
          Quote: S_mirnov
          We must often poke people with their noses at this simple truth!

          I can be mistaken, a few years ago they passed a law on this topic (store names, etc.) As always, no one enforces it. Who to poke ???? You can replenish the budget, with a bang. But as you wrote, they don’t want to tear off the ass.
        2. Very old
          Very old 7 December 2013 12: 10
          0
          My friend, list simple truths. To understand, understand another friend
          And do not heap firewood
    2. Very old
      Very old 7 December 2013 12: 03
      0
      PrJSC, it's their choice
    3. avt
      avt 7 December 2013 12: 22
      +3
      Quote: Deniska999
      Central Asia is gradually moving away from Russia.

      Aha ,,, departs "and in droves moves to cities and villages of Russia.
      Quote: Sirocco
      Russia itself will lose the Russian language, just look at the signs of shops, and other banners, sometimes it seems that only English-speaking citizens live in Russia. First you need to put things in order, and then speak for others.

      good
      Quote: lonely
      I think if DAM took up this work, and even with the created council, the difficult days of the Russian language will soon come.

      There’s nothing to say.
      Quote: xetai9977
      The devil is not so terrible as he is painted. Naturally, all paperwork must necessarily be conducted in national languages.

      request The objective reality is given to the sensation by the fact of the creation of sovereign nation states. There is no sense in complaining about the Russian language, there is no USSR, and having taken off their hair they don’t cry. There are other methods for “Kostya Soprykin” to look for and apply. BUT! As already said
      Quote: lonely
      I think if DAM took up this work, and even with the created council, the difficult days of the Russian language will soon come.

      On the ground, the prospects are vague, not to say cloudy.
    4. Horde
      Horde 7 December 2013 12: 56
      +2
      Quote: Deniska999
      Central Asia is gradually moving away from Russia.


      where do you actually live? on the moon? Do you really have Kyrgyz or Tajiks? in Russia, I’m scoffing at least, as in Russian he’s talking, but they prefer their own ...



      Russia today
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 7 December 2013 16: 29
        +5
        Quote: Horde
        Russia today


        First, Russia is capitalized, and secondly, Moscow, where this photo comes from is far from all of Russia. Recently conducted a raid at the base in Khlebnikovo. We drove seven LiaZ buses, and so those who had documents drawn up fit in one bus, and illegal immigrants in the other six. So far there will be freedom of the so-called na-business and corruption will be such a situation. The wife told the story of how one local lady of ours got a job in a student cafe, and she was taken according to the TD and photocopies of her passport request In two months she collected almost 2 million rubles. the migrants promising to make the necessary documents and disappeared, now they are looking for her. Too many people and influential forces feed on illegal immigrants, too much money is behind this. Moreover, they do not go here out of hunger, but for a "long ruble", basically, almost everyone with whom you do not talk has the goal of making money and who build a house to buy a plot on Kuylyuk in Tashkent, in short, more KC, put on yellow pants and feel like a respected person or A MAN. And the one who cannot make money on yellow pants is a goof, a loser.loser.slemazl and ne man ... And this is already an ideology and a norm of life, and one cannot cope with prohibitive measures in the very system that generates it. And how to change this system, which is not at all in the presence or absence of Putin, functions and is controlled not from Russia at all, this is a question which can be discussed to the point of hoarseness. for even the mathematician Wasserman proved that the model of socialism in a post-industrial society based on production and labor will be most effective for everyone except money-changers and bankers with their speculative business. So far, no one has proposed any recipes other than the idea of ​​overthrowing Putin and probably like in Ukraine the coming to power of a protege of some oligarchs under the guise of a fighter for people's happiness with endless rallies and protests at best. And then, like in Ukraine, Vitya on Mitya, Yulia on Olya and get the people's will out of the bottle with a genie.
        In addition to massacre no miracles
        -V. Vysotsky

        1. Horde
          Horde 7 December 2013 17: 10
          -3
          Quote: Ascetic
          First, Russia is capitalized,


          oh no, with a capital letter you can write about a great country such as the USSR, but this one has not created ANYTHING great and cannot do it, there is only great theft, therefore it will do.

          Quote: Ascetic
          And how to change this system, which is not at all in the presence or absence of Putin, that functions and is controlled not from Russia at all


          want to say that there is Putin, that he is not, an empty place? I don’t agree with you. Putin is the will, but the will for destruction and chaos, for example, Serdyukov, is ALL the negative that exists in the country only from Putin and he carefully cherishes and protects these processes and does not allow this process to slow down or turn aside .

          Quote: Ascetic
          So far no one has offered recipes except the idea of ​​overthrowing Putin


          Well, yes, to move forward, you need to remove a large stone from the road ...
  4. Gardamir
    Gardamir 7 December 2013 08: 06
    +8
    Well, believe it not, but I do not care about Asia! When in Russia, the Russian language is forgotten. And this does not happen by chance, such as the people so decided. It is the government that destroys the native language with all its might.
  5. makarov
    makarov 7 December 2013 08: 10
    +5
    ".. This can be done both by means of diplomacy, declaring that the Russian language is one of the key elements of the" soft power "of the Russian Federation, and by launching a variety of educational programs, the demand for which will only grow as the older generation of teachers - Russian specialists leave. . "

    The author should add: "but unfortunately, the funds that were allocated for these purposes were plundered and plundered for 20 years ahead!"
  6. Stinger
    Stinger 7 December 2013 08: 26
    0
    But the rulers of these neoplasms understand that squeezing out the Russian language cuts off the population not only from Russian, but also from world literature, a huge mass of textbooks for secondary and higher education. One can see that it is enough to read the Quran and advertising leaflets. It is hard to imagine Shakespeare translated into Tajik. Such masterpieces as P. Tychina’s in Ukraine will remain: In the garden there is a tractor of holes, holes, holes. We are for peace.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 7 December 2013 15: 39
      +3
      Quote: Stinger
      It is hard to imagine Shakespeare translated into Tajik.

      It is difficult to imagine, but if they translate it is only a positive reason why they are required to read everything in Russian.
      Quote: Stinger
      about squeezing out the Russian language cuts off the population not only from Russian, but also from world literature, a huge mass of textbooks for secondary and higher education.

      But I agree with that. 20 years have passed, but many Doshikhpor countries have not all translated into their own language, a lot of which remains untranslated and will help out the Russian language.
    2. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 7 December 2013 18: 08
      +3
      Quote: Stinger
      It is hard to imagine Shakespeare translated into Tajik.

      "Petka! Patron bar?"
      "Yok, Vasily Ivanovich."
      1. alone
        alone 7 December 2013 18: 41
        +3
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        "Petka! Patron bar?"
        "Yok, Vasily Ivanovich."


        not so !! wrong)) laughing

        Petka, patron var? -Yoh Vasily Petrovich! wassat
        1. marshes
          marshes 7 December 2013 18: 50
          +6
          Quote: lonely
          not so !! wrong))

          Petka, patron var? -Yoh Vasily Petrovich!

          It depends on where the events took place.
          And they occurred in the area of ​​the Ural, Zhaik, Yaik.
          So they spoke Kazakh. laughing
          Ammo - Bar?
          Jock!
          1. alone
            alone 7 December 2013 19: 07
            +3
            Quote: marshes
            And they occurred in the area of ​​the Ural, Zhaik, Yaik.
            So they spoke Kazakh.
            Ammo - Bar?
            Jock!


            laughing which basically doesn’t change anything. but there is one thing but, Mammoth wrote Yok, not Zhok! most likely he watched the film in the Azerbaijani translation !! laughing
            1. marshes
              marshes 7 December 2013 19: 10
              0
              A small question, after a trip to Israel, will they let me into Turkey?
              1. alone
                alone 7 December 2013 19: 14
                +2
                Quote: marshes
                A small question, after a trip to Israel, will they let me into Turkey?


                you may not be allowed into Iran! There are no problems with Israel in Turkey. Every year a certain number of Israeli citizens have a rest in Turkey. And the best thing is, just contact the Turkish embassy to be sure of this
                1. marshes
                  marshes 7 December 2013 19: 20
                  +2
                  Quote: lonely
                  .a best of all, just contact the Turkish embassy to be completely sure of this

                  So we have it like yours, without a visa entry. Although.
                  I changed the old passport, the period where there were Egypt and the UAE and Schengen to Germany, which did not end, exactly in time for Christmas, Catholic.
          2. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 7 December 2013 20: 24
            0
            Quote: marshes
            So they spoke Kazakh. laughing

            Could mix up. A lot of water flowed, as I understood a little. wink But it’s somehow in Central Asia
            1. marshes
              marshes 7 December 2013 20: 38
              +2
              Quote: There was a mammoth
              Could mix up. A lot of water has flowed, as I understood a little. But it’s somehow in Central Asia

              It happens, but now the Kazakh will distort ... laughing
          3. ekzorsist
            ekzorsist 9 December 2013 22: 54
            0
            Well, films on the national channels translated into Kazakh are just a sight for sore eyes !!!
            Only the Kazakhs themselves for some reason do not want to watch them. And wherever you look - the plate is hanging Tricolor or Yamal ... but Otau somehow goes hlypenko.
            I wanted to give as an example the words of one Kazakh acquaintance ... but I won’t - the Kazakh nationals will spit for a long time.
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic 7 December 2013 19: 57
          +4
          Quote: lonely
          Petka, patron var? -Yoh Vasily Petrovich!


          Then BZHRK-shaitan-arba, Santa Claus-Kolotun-babai. Snow maiden - Nishtyak kizym
          Baba Yaga - Nightmare Apa
          Pinocchio - Saksaul-batyr
          Mermaid - Kyz-Balyk
          Thumb Thumb - Mizines Malay
          Armageddon - Arctic Fox Planet
          Ilya Muromets - A "et batyr
          Jackie Chan - Abizyan Stuntman
          Negro - shoe polish malay
          Ebony - Tar Malay ...
          Cold Suuk
          Very cold - suuk, sawing
          Serpent Mountain - Autogen Baska
          Fridge - Shaitan Chest
          Zebra - Ishak Sailor
          Cipolino - Piyaz Ball
          Tsarevna nesmyan - karyndas joke emes
          Terminator - armature batyr
          Grenade launcher - shaitan tube
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 7 December 2013 20: 01
            +5
            Aksakal-ksiva - pension certificate
            Akyn-kishlak - "Massaraksh" community
            Alban Bazaar - Albanian
            Armature-akyn - metal musician
            Aryk-yap - broadcasting channel
            Afftagen-akyn - author of zhzhot
            Babai Bashi - Sauron
            Bigmak teahouse - McDonald's
            Bul-bul-shed - liquor store
            Burka Yurt - raincoat tent
            Glamor akyn - Sergey Zverev
            Glamor khanum - fashion model
            Debil-bakhcha is a school for the mentally retarded. Or "Star Factory"
            Ik-Puk-water - Coca-Cola
            Internet Bash - ISP
            Hookah Arba - Steam Train
            Kirdyk Arba - hearse
            Kirdyk-Kino - Action
            Kirdyk-kishlak - cemetery
            Kirdyk ring - the ring of omnipotence
            Kirdyk-oglu - full fluffy northern animal
            Kirdyk Saklya - Morgue
            Kolotun-ayran (balbuzdak) - ice cream
            Basmach wallet - tax inspector
            Flashing Arba - Flasher Machine
            Nibelmes-malai - Excellence Exam
            Sakla Mess - Party
            Saklya-kirdyk - after-party
            Tupim bahcha - hemp field
            Chushka-style - tasteless clothes
            Shaitan Batyr - Nazgul
            Shaitan shoe - tarpaulin boot
            Shaitan-kazan - stove
            Shaitan Marshal - hellish Soton
            Shaitan fire - lighter
            Shaitan window - ICQ
            Shaitan Draft - air conditioning
            Jackal Arba - a dog team
            Skewer batyr - D'Artagnan
            Skewer-malay - "Boy with a sword" (V.Krapivin, translation)
            Yurt-Babai - Brownie
            Yurt-burp-corners - restaurant
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 7 December 2013 22: 22
              +2
              !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! +++++++++++++++++++++ laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing good good hi hi
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 8 December 2013 00: 15
                +2
                From the Russian language textbook for grade 2:
                "(What?) (What?) Took us into (what?) Forest."

                - NATO pilots in Lithuania greatly complicated the control system
                Russian border aviation.
                - This is how?
                - The most direct. Belgian pilots communicate with Lithuanian ground
                staff in the only accessible common language: Russian obscenities.
                The Russian service manages flights on it. Now generally fuck
                no one understands who is flying where and why.
            2. zennon
              zennon 8 December 2013 00: 10
              0
              Donkey-sailor-zebra.
  7. Humpty
    Humpty 7 December 2013 08: 26
    +5
    Che at the smart accountant Arefiev? Where he did the calculations, go behind the monitor, no further.
    In Kyrgyzstan, pretty much everyone spoke Russian fluently in the 89th, even in the distant villages, most spoke fluently. The census data of the 89th language proficiency is obvious falsification.
    Today, we still have a majority in Russian.
    Shustov, a room accountant, claims that in 89th, 37 percent of Kyrgyz owned Russian, this is nonsense. Ignorance of the Russian language was less common than two-chamber refrigerators.
    Kyrgyz gastricians in Russia, as a rule, come from the frostbitten south. They are more often stupid like "not belmes" than they really do not understand. Of course, not everyone will quote Pushkin, but to some extent 65-70 percent of the population speak Russian.
    In Kazakhstan, more Russians have always owned Russian.
    Shustov good advice, filter the sources of information.
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    2. Hleb
      Hleb 7 December 2013 10: 42
      +7
      According to the 1989 All-Union Population Census, 62,8% of Kazakhs spoke Russian
      I don’t know how it was in the south, but over the years I lived in the north, I met only two visiting people who spoke poor Russian. They were Mongolian oralmans.
      the data is really left. if for example we take the Kazakhs who write here, they are more literate than some Russians expound))
      in general, crowding out the Russian language will cost itself more. And state leaders should understand this.
      and there’s nothing wrong with learning English
  8. FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 7 December 2013 08: 54
    14
    I’ll tell you a terrible secret: In Kazakhstan, in most secondary schools, instruction is in Russian, moreover, more hours are given in Russian and in Russian literature than in Kazakh and literature. There are specialized schools with the Kazakh language of instruction, and there are English. There are also so-called “Nazarbayev or presidential” schools with three languages ​​of instruction (Russian, English, Kazakh) in large cities for especially gifted children. In large cities, more and more Russians who do not plan to leave Kazakhstan send their children to Kazakh kindergartens. It comes to the realization that it is impossible to learn fullness from the USSR with all the desire to learn the language when everyone around speaks Russian, even if their children, in any state layout, spoke Kazakh! Yours faithfully!
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 7 December 2013 08: 56
      +2
      No comments. Stunned. Passengers' lives are in danger !!!
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 7 December 2013 09: 04
        +4
        And what about the native Russian language in Russia itself ?!


        A little help:
        Russians do not know how to write “half a globus”. Murzilki Int. - parody "Farewell Waltz" (VIA "Good fellows"). Literacy testing revealed the most difficult word for the Russians. During the “Total Dictation” campaign, most often the participants did not know how to write “half-globus” correctly. This error was made by almost 50 percent of the tested. In general, more than half of the subjects received "deuces." And only 2, 5 percent passed the test "excellent". The organizers of the action note that 35 percent of participants have higher education. The youngest dictation writer was 8 years old, and the oldest was 95.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 7 December 2013 11: 13
          +6
          Quote: Apollon
          Russians do not know how to write “half a globus”. Murzilki Int. - parody "Farewell Waltz" (VIA "Good fellows"). Literacy testing revealed the most difficult word for the Russians. During the “Total Dictation” campaign, most often the participants did not know how to write “half-globus” correctly. This error was made by almost 50 percent of the tested.

          Azir hi ! laughing ! So the reason is simple, the Russian language contains more words than any other, and it is not at all easy to know how to spell words correctly, so if the word "half a liter" were included in the dictation, there would be no mistakes. Well, as a confirmation of the complexity of the Russian language for the Russians themselves:
          1. Valery Neonov
            Valery Neonov 7 December 2013 11: 31
            +2
            Oh, this is our GREAT RUSSIAN !!!

            The language that the Russian state commands the great part of the world, by its power, has natural abundance, beauty and power, which is not inferior to any European language. And for that there is no doubt that the Russian word could not be brought to such perfection, which we are surprised at in others

            MV Lomonosov
          2. Very old
            Very old 7 December 2013 18: 19
            +1
            Hooray! Victor, I'm back for 50 years
            50 years younger
            Thank you!
        2. Platov
          Platov 8 December 2013 00: 19
          0
          I didn’t learn English, but it was explained to me that in English there are twice as many sounds as beeches. Does this not explain the denseness thereof.
      2. Valery Neonov
        Valery Neonov 7 December 2013 11: 27
        +2
        If in practice it takes so long to "think" ... hmm. belay And the "policeman", when checking the document, does not even look at the person who presented it (passport) ... recourse
    2. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 7 December 2013 11: 07
      +8
      In large cities, more and more Russians who have no plans to leave Kazakhstan send their children to Kazakh kindergartens.
      For comment to you. + A small correction, in Russian groups of the kindergarten they emphasize the study of the Kazakh language, in Kazakhs, on the contrary, Russian. My friend Nurik gave his son to the Russian group to speak Russian, then transferred to the Kazakh group.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 7 December 2013 20: 07
        +4
        Hello, hello! I would like to explain one very important point. It will be curious for all RUSSIAN!
        So I, as a father of three children, ask myself the question: "Who will my children become and what profession will they be engaged in? How can I help - what education to give? If I send to a Kazakh school - then, if some abilities show up, can we to find a suitable university for their child in the Republic of Kazakhstan or the child will have to adapt when studying abroad in another language. Or send to Russian - in Russia, at least you can definitely find any direction and switch to another language. That is why among Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Azerbaijanis, Moldovans, etc. there will always be those who will send their children to Russian schools. Moscow, St. Petersburg, Novosibirsk, etc. - this has always been prestigious, it can open up great prospects for the child. that there is a choice in Kazakhstan, please, Kazakh, English (for example, Haliberi on Al-Farabi), Russian school.
        It so happened to me that we saw early the ability to music in the oldest child. Now with excellent English in far abroad after muses. schools (jazz, shows, organization, etc. etc. - I don’t understand it myself). Middle in the penultimate class of the Russian Higher School of Music, in the Russian department (maybe Moscow State University, why the hell is not joking) - well, there are mutual traditions of two families. The youngest in the 2nd, in a Kazakh school (now the level of Kazakh schools is clearly pulled up) - it will be seen further.
        Well, I was tormented: large letters are printed in small letters and vice versa. My daughter will figure it out tomorrow, but it bothered me. hi
        In small children. kindergarten in kaz. column there were Russian kids.
        1. ekzorsist
          ekzorsist 9 December 2013 23: 25
          0
          Dear Kasym!
          So I would like to know - And where is the logic in all this linguistic-national mess ???
          Look at these flawed graduates after simple high schools ... horror! Neither in Russian, nor in Kazakh, nor in any way ... In the clinic, a case - a guy is 23 years old, an emergency room, he refuses hospitalization. Almost all the medical staff gathered, and Russians, and Kazakhs, and an Armenian gastroenterologist, and even a Korean - a chiropractor ...
          They are trying to read what this comrade scribbled in refusing hospitalization and cannot read it at all !!! The man said that he graduated from school, college, not drunk (!), Not stoned ... But neither write nor read in any language - not trained!
          Here is your education! Or maybe his, these show-offs ?!
          In schools, the number of hours in the subject could not be reduced — Russian language, Russian literature, mathematics ... Well, Kazakh would have been taught normally ... but there are some show-offs here.
          And one more question - not all people are philologists and linguists.
  9. Ahmed Osmanov
    Ahmed Osmanov 7 December 2013 09: 06
    0
    And this is still in question. Will people who practically do not strain their brains take and learn English. Excuse me.
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 7 December 2013 09: 33
      +7
      Quote: Akhmed Osmanov
      And this is still in question. Will people who practically do not strain their brains take and learn English. Excuse me.

      Do you speak English yourself?
      1. Ahmed Osmanov
        Ahmed Osmanov 7 December 2013 09: 37
        0
        As I understand it, you asked this question based on my name. Like "the ram himself, but also says something to others." No, I do not speak English perfectly.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 7 December 2013 09: 59
          +8
          Quote: Akhmed Osmanov
          No, I do not speak English fluently

          Can you strain your brains yourself?
          1. alone
            alone 7 December 2013 12: 16
            +8
            Quote: Clegg
            Can you strain your brains yourself?


            And this is the most difficult thing in the current realities. The best thing is to sit and cheat everything in a row. This is not a special mind laughing
  10. Bosk
    Bosk 7 December 2013 09: 30
    +1
    Yes, the guys wake up everything in a bunch, for example, in Latvia they also tried to supplant Russian, but at the moment it comes to curiosities, let's say not all of them before, but many Latvians, when talking with Russians, all strove to speak Latvian, explaining this according to the principle of "Learn cattle is our language "..., well, now things are going on radically the other way around, like" well, why are you straining and it's easier for you, and for me practice ... ", again in the service sector people with knowledge of three languages ​​are in demand, of which the main ones are Russian and Latvian, and the third language is purely for show.
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 7 December 2013 10: 04
      +4
      I probably agree with this statement. Somehow I talked with an Estonian woman. She constantly asked to communicate in Russian so that she would practice her Russian)

      I am opposed to abandon Russian at all. You just have to remove it from the Constitution.

      The Russian language united all the Türks, if the Russians did not unite all the Türks in their empire, it is unlikely that we could be in close contact as now. Even the Turks learn Russian to communicate with other Turks)
    2. Pushkar
      Pushkar 7 December 2013 10: 29
      +2
      Quote: Bosk
      Yes, the guys are waking up with a bunch, for example, in Latvia we also tried to squeeze out Russian, but for now, it comes to funny things
      Sister is a teacher of the Russian language in Riga, so Latvian teachers are asked to speak Russian with them, they say, they began to forget, practice is needed.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 7 December 2013 19: 24
        +9
        A joke. In the 19th century everyone learned French and we were in Paris.
        In the 20th century, everyone learned German and we were in Berlin.
        And now everyone is learning English. Well wow what prospects are opening!
  11. George
    George 7 December 2013 09: 46
    +1
    In general, those former republics of the once great power now seem to be on their own, however, given the flow of workers from there, they will know the Russian language. One came to join us in a joiner, after a month he swore and was free to speak at the level of the first class.
    The main activity of the Council will be the promotion of the Russian language abroad, where the scope of its distribution has been constantly narrowing over the past few years.

    Maybe it's time to remind the remaining North American Indians about our ancestors who came to their continent from Alaska?
  12. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 7 December 2013 09: 50
    +5
    Starting from the 80-ies a stream of soldiers from Central Asia poured into the Soviet army. Due to demographic problems, the share of Slavic conscripts has fallen sharply. I had to command one of the companies completely consisting of immigrants from Central Asia. The only soldier who spoke Russian reasonably was a young teacher. Other soldiers knew Russian poorly, the emphasis was incredible. Some just mumbled something. The natives of cities spoke more tolerably Russian. And this was in Soviet times, when the attention to the Russian language was maximum. Therefore, one should not be surprised at the current state of the Russian language.
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    2. predator.3
      predator.3 7 December 2013 10: 23
      +2
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      Some just mumbled something. The natives of cities spoke more tolerably Russian. And this was in Soviet times, when the attention to the Russian language was maximum. Therefore, one should not be surprised at the current state of the Russian language.

      I agree with you, I still remember my course as a young fighter, Uzbeks and Turkmens who knew one word in Russian - "don't understand", and what else I remember is that Uzbeks from rural areas were all old people, like the boy is 18 years old , and the face is wrinkled and the gait is like a 90-year-old! Well, about knowledge of regulations and responsibilities, I am silent, stupid as boots.
      1. alone
        alone 7 December 2013 12: 20
        +6
        Quote: predator.3
        , and what else was remembered was that the Uzbeks from the countryside were all old, like a kid 18 years old, and his face was wrinkled and his gait was like that of a 90-year-old!


        If you knew what it means from the morning at 6 o’clock until late at night to pick cotton under the setting sun, you would certainly not be surprised. I even remember such pictures as people on the field picking cotton, and AN-2 flies over their heads and watered their chemicals. no wonder the young guys looked like 90s old people.
    3. Ivanovich47
      Ivanovich47 7 December 2013 12: 36
      +2
      I represent my former soldiers (Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kirghiz ...) intensively "studying" English instead of Russian. Not funny...
  13. Pushkar
    Pushkar 7 December 2013 10: 33
    +4
    I work with Asian migrant workers, most of the young people who have arrived are taken to shops and institutions by "translators", because except for "yes" and mata in Russian they do not know anything.
  14. Averias
    Averias 7 December 2013 10: 47
    +8
    In light of what happened to me now, the article is straight in color. Going to work means going on the bus. I admire the snowball, the policemen standing along the roads (preparing for the arrival of the Olympic flame), the mood is Saturday, complacent. Here a representative of "glorious" Tajikistan, and maybe Uzbekistan, in general, some kind of ... thana comes into the bus. A silly smile on his face, even dressed so decently (China rules and dresses). So he went into the bus and stands, looks out the window and also admires the snowball who is giving it, or maybe he considers the police (suddenly the agent bully ). Here it comes to paying for the fare, and then we have it ogogo, "expensive", as much as 16 rubles. The conductor - give him money, and he smiles stupidly in response (well, blessed) and mutters something in his own way. Probably about how he is malnourished, how he feeds his aul, about the difficult situation on the world stage, about ships that plow space. In general, it is clear that a person is a great intellectual, an esthete and the color of the intelligentsia. But he does not give money. The conductor (here's the "callous woman" love ), he tells him, affectionately says so. Like we have Russian people, even the poor, pay for the fare. And with what fright, you, a foreign person will go for free? And politely asks him to move out. He does not want, he wants to go, and for free. Well, I had to help a weak woman and slightly lifting this subchik by the collar, throw him out of the bus. Why throw away you ask, why so tough? But because he didn’t want to go out, even something there he tried to wave his arms, and curse in his own language. That means I threw it, the hype, the camp on the bus split up, the old women shout why they say so. Sorry or something, let them say it goes (although they immediately shut up on the offer to pay for his travel), the second half is for me, they say softly, I’m still with him. At the very beginning of the story, I mentioned about the policemen that are standing along the road, so this gnida, in Russian (the insight has come down), said: Police, help, skinheads attacked (it's me laughing ?), ethnic hatred incite (well, and then the words are where you got it?). In general, the police are right there, they say why are you here, why they say. We found out why, grinned vilely and we continued on. But what happened with this shot, one can only guess.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 7 December 2013 11: 02
      +5
      Quote: Averias
      But what happened with this shot, one can only guess.

      Nice story! good Only without illustrations.
      Here, get -
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 7 December 2013 11: 46
      +6
      Quote: Averias
      so this gnida, in Russian (see the illumination descended), voted:

      laughing ! 35 years lived in Chechnya, and now I live in a region where the number of nations resembles a vinaigrette from a good cook. I noticed one rather interesting phenomenon, when any controversial situation arises, representatives of any nation dispute their innocence in their native language, but when the arguments from the native vocabulary end, they switch to the great and powerful, and so any native speaker envies the delivered speech wink , laughing ! No Russian, Spanish, Papua in the Soviet Union can not replace the Russian language.
      1. Averias
        Averias 7 December 2013 11: 47
        +1
        This is for sure, an example of this, the recent performance of a lady from the Baltic states before the Ukrainians. She spoke her speech in Russian !!! Well, not a conflict, huh?
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 7 December 2013 15: 46
        +3
        Quote: Tersky
        I noticed one rather interesting phenomenon, when any controversial situation arises, representatives of any nation dispute their innocence in their native language, but when the arguments from the native vocabulary end, they switch to the great and powerful, and so any native speaker envies the delivered speech

        So the Mongols who studied with us on the mat knew better than others, and the whole lesson sat like a teacher raised a question, just silence and a dull look, although they knew Russian, or rather they started to know the course for 2-3, they simply realized that it was more profitable and continued keep silence further)))) Sam sometimes resorted to this tactic in terms of fun for the group and then with unfamiliar teaching))))
  15. Lindon
    Lindon 7 December 2013 10: 51
    +4
    The range of the Russian language over the past 30 years has greatly narrowed. Russian was a popular foreign language for the entire Soviet camp. You can easily meet citizens of the 40 + years of the former Warsaw Pact fluently speaking Russian (with an accent - where without an accent?). Now, Russian is being supplanted by English even in Russia, and what can we say about other countries where Russians are a minority? When choosing which language to learn a second language, the question of prestige and its popularity pops up in the first place. People will learn the language to gain access to the latest achievements of science and a high standard of living - here English has no rivals. If Russian, Chinese, Indian, etc. civilization will bypass Anglo-Saxon - then there will already be a change of leader. In the meantime, globalization is imposing English on the world.
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 7 December 2013 11: 13
      +2
      Quote: Lindon
      If Russian, Chinese, Indian, etc. civilization will bypass Anglo-Saxon - then there will already be a change of leader

      Hindus themselves spar in English

      the peak of Russian civilization is the time of advice, it will not be higher. will continue to roll down

      Chinese may not probability is very low.
  16. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 7 December 2013 11: 29
    +6
    So the "great and mighty" Russian language fell into disgrace ... Is this to please the Western powers, as I understand it?
    Now intend to guest workers in Europe? Compete with the Turks ...
    Good luck ..
    And will our Central Asian "friends" now swear in English too?
    1. sashka
      sashka 7 December 2013 14: 45
      0
      Only plus
  17. sashka
    sashka 7 December 2013 11: 33
    +3
    They just change the letters. To the Latin alphabet. The language cannot be changed. My son served in the army of Uzbekistan. And when I arrived in Russia, I myself could not read some words. They are simply written in OTHER letters .. And I am Russian .. But at school we studied the Language of the State in which you live. Both in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, plus any other choice. Russian is certainly necessary. That was EDUCATION. And not the shitty ege.
  18. realist
    realist 7 December 2013 11: 35
    +1
    unfortunately, Russian began to be poorly known in the Caucasian republics, especially young people, it’s generally dangerous
  19. sashka
    sashka 7 December 2013 11: 50
    +1
    The Mongols still write in Cyrillic. Maybe they will also switch to "Latin". They just don't have their own letters. But the language cannot be changed.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 7 December 2013 11: 53
      12


      A bit of humor. laughing
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 7 December 2013 16: 58
        +4
        Quote: Zymran
        A bit of humor
  20. Zymran
    Zymran 7 December 2013 11: 57
    +3
    It is not yet possible to completely replace the Russian language with English, but many people understand the importance of English for a career and therefore many learn it, although, of course, the percentage of those fluent in many is less than those who speak Russian.
    And anyway, English is the language of international communication and the language of science.
    1. sashka
      sashka 7 December 2013 12: 08
      0
      Quote: Zymran
      It is not yet possible to completely replace Russian with English,

      They do not change the Language, but LETTERS, FONT.What is UNEXPECTED? They will just use a different font. That's all. That's why the panic is unclear. You have to turn the words around. With let's say Uzbek in Russian but written in English. Cool situation. We look forward to continuing.
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 7 December 2013 12: 10
        +5
        Actually, the article is about limiting the role of the Russian language, and not about translating national languages ​​into Latin.
      2. Clegg
        Clegg 7 December 2013 12: 35
        0
        Quote: Sasha
        They do not change the Language, but LETTERS, FONT.What is UNEXPECTED?


        Yes, you understand, the Kazakhs do not switch to the Latin alphabet, but restore it. Our script was in Latin, the Communists translated into Cyrillic, which is inconvenient for our language. Already 42 letters, among which are absolutely unnecessary letters such as E, b, b, u, e, etc.
        1. sashka
          sashka 7 December 2013 13: 08
          +1
          Quote: Clegg
          Already 42 letters

          In Russian there were 48 (forty eight). Do not flatter yourself .. Everything was already ..
        2. avg
          avg 7 December 2013 13: 51
          +4
          Yes, you understand, the Kazakhs do not switch to the Latin alphabet, but restore it. Our script was in Latin, the Communists translated into Cyrillic, which is inconvenient for our language.

          1. Where did you get it from. On the territory of present-day Kazakhstan, a small number of literate people used the Arabic alphabet. And on a large scale, Kazakhs always wrote in Cyrillic and only from 1929 to 1940, just the communists, introduced the "Unified Turkic Alphabet" (Yanalif) based on the Latin alphabet, and then switched to Cyrillic again.
          2. No matter how you relate to the Communists, no one has done as much as they did for Kazakhstan.
        3. TS3sta3
          TS3sta3 7 December 2013 15: 46
          0
          Our script was in Latin

          where was she from?
    2. sashka
      sashka 7 December 2013 12: 47
      +1
      Is not a fact. The share of freaks is not decreasing. Personally I have passed the whole route myself. 9 days Problem with food only. They promised to drive to Moscow in three days. We didn't go further than Orsk. There the captain said, "It's a shame for the State." We were squatting with our hands behind our heads and sniffing with dogs. Believe me, I’m glad .. Not for myself, but for this captain. More than that I AM proud.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 7 December 2013 13: 57
      +4
      Quote: Zymran
      anyway, English is the language of international communication and the language of science.

      So the Russian language is one of the six world international languages, and the language of science! And here's the "strangeness" - in New York it was declared one of the state languages! Why suddenly? And then .... they climb and climb to forget the Russian language, and with it all that the USSR brought to these republics!

      "Even if you know 15 foreign languages, you still need Russian! You never know, fall or drop something heavy on your leg ..." (c) laughing
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 7 December 2013 14: 28
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        "Even if you know 15 foreign languages, you still need Russian! You never know, you will fall or drop something heavy on your leg ..." (c) laughing


        Well, personally, I never thought that I should give up Russian. You need to know both Russian and English and your native language.

        Quote: Egoza
        in New York, he was declared one of the official languages! Why all of a sudden?


        Probably a lot of emigrants from the Russian Federation.
        1. Pushkar
          Pushkar 7 December 2013 16: 21
          +1
          Quote: Zymran

          Probably a lot of emigrants from the Russian Federation.
          A lot - how many percent? Really more. than in Kazakhstan?
        2. avg
          avg 7 December 2013 16: 33
          +2
          Quote: Zymran
          Probably a lot of emigrants from the Russian Federation.

          It’s just that lately they often began to drop something heavy on their feet. laughing
  21. gorozhanin
    gorozhanin 7 December 2013 12: 52
    +1
    I believe that the problem raised in the article is crucial. Strategic.
    Through language, not only the language itself penetrates into the minds and hearts, but also an understanding of the culture, religion and lifestyle of the people, history, geography, ethnology, economics.
    And an understanding of all this usually leads to good feelings for Russia and the Russians.

    Russia has everything in order to prepare a whole range of measures to provide mechanisms for language learning, testing and certification, not only in Central Asia, but also around the world.
    We have excellent philologists from the Soviet school, methodologists, brilliant team of programmers who can establish tools for distance learning.
    In total, you need to announce the Project (for example, through the announcement of the federal target program), appoint responsible people, maybe offer subsidies to commercial organizations (the notorious private-state partnership).

    The Government does not have only the will and ability to work.
    There is an understanding of the Kremlin in the importance of these tasks.
    But, unfortunately, DAM's camarilla has the talent to reduce all good undertakings to props and trash.
  22. Semurg
    Semurg 7 December 2013 12: 54
    10
    Kazakh youth know the Kazakh language, do not forget Russian, learn at least bring any foreign language. Now there’s no union there is an opportunity to travel the world to work and see (I understand that this is not easy, but there is an opportunity), then God will return Use skills and knowledge for the benefit of Kazakhstan. In this regard, a good example was the user Marek Rosney sorry banned, maybe as Esenzher re-register and reappear? On the topic of the Russian language is losing its space there are many reasons for this. Clever Russian will regret it and try to fix it as much as he can, bad Russian will look for a reason to joke (like stupid people don’t know the human language)
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 7 December 2013 12: 58
      +9
      Marek sometimes annoyed me with his inappropriate propaganda, as if from the Khabar TV channel and plans to storm Washington as part of the Russian army. laughing But sometimes reading it was interesting.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 7 December 2013 13: 26
        +9
        Quote: Zymran
        Marek sometimes annoyed me with his inappropriate propaganda, as if from the Khabar TV channel and plans to storm Washington as part of the Russian army. laughing But sometimes reading it was interesting.

        well, a man lived in Russia and the world traveled, looked, returned back to work for the state now on free bread (as we say, it’s not wise who lived a lot, but the one who saw a lot) And the fact that Washington wanted to storm along with the Russians, it’s only as a volunteer (Kazakhstan does not need this). I’m looking at Khabar, otherwise it’s completely negative information in other places, but I need Khabar to balance the negative. Marek’s archive is either powerful or good, the Internet is digging, but he’s a Klondike of different information (I’m either stupid or lazy, but I often didn’t hear the information that he uploaded)
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 7 December 2013 14: 20
          +6
          Khabar and Channel One organically cannot stand. Sometimes I watch Astana and 7. Previously, 31 was a cool channel for thinking and free people, but after being sold, STS completely slipped.
      2. Clegg
        Clegg 7 December 2013 13: 31
        +6
        Quote: Zymran
        Marek sometimes annoyed me with his inappropriate propaganda, as if from the Khabar TV channel and plans to storm Washington as part of the Russian army. But sometimes reading it was interesting.

        Salem Zymran, kal jagdaiyn kalai?

        I only found out that Marek was banned, in some matters my views did not coincide with him. But he always read with interest his comments, for me he is the leader of the local Kazakh users) No offense to everyone else)))
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 7 December 2013 14: 25
          +4
          Salem, salem, bauyrym! Kalym eptep. Kaitip oraldyn ekensin, durys, chauvinism-nazism karsa kuresshiler seems. wink


          Quote: Clegg
          But he always read with interest his comments, for me he is the leader of the local Kazakh users) No offense to everyone else)))


          Well, maybe he’ll be back. Such a person will not sit idle. =))
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 8 December 2013 15: 38
            +1
            I am in ahue why do I have a Russian flag ?! belay
  23. sashka
    sashka 7 December 2013 13: 14
    0
    I stuck into this demagogy just by the right of birth. Nothing personal. Born and raised.
  24. sss5.papu
    sss5.papu 7 December 2013 13: 14
    +4
    It is up to the people to decide what language they need after their native. Russian will be the same world language as English, it will be in first place Until the 20s of the 20s, the Arabic script was in Uzbekistan, then the Latin alphabet was forcibly introduced, then in the 40s the Cyrillic 90s again the Latin alphabet, but in fact everything is the same. Many are outraged that in the Middle Asian countries they know Russian less and less, but this is the business of the people. ... At the same time, the Russians themselves (99%) in Uzbekistan do not speak the local language and do not want to. In Tashkent, everywhere advertisements and inscriptions in Russian. Walking along the street, as if in a Russian city. Even in state institutions, Russians do not speak Uzbek and nothing. What else do you need - "you have pounded the lawns"
    1. sashka
      sashka 7 December 2013 13: 19
      +1
      Quote: sss5.papu
      It is up to the people to decide what language they need after their native. Russian will be the same world language as English, it will be in first place Until the 20s of the 20s, the Arabic script was in Uzbekistan, then the Latin alphabet was forcibly introduced, then in the 40s the Cyrillic 90s again the Latin alphabet, but in fact everything is the same. Many are outraged that in the Middle Asian countries they know Russian less and less, but this is the business of the people. ... At the same time, the Russians themselves (99%) in Uzbekistan do not speak the local language and do not want to. In Tashkent, everywhere advertisements and inscriptions in Russian. Walking along the street, as if in a Russian city. Even in state institutions, Russians do not speak Uzbek and nothing. What else do you need - "you have pounded the lawns"

      Why do they know. And I and my son and daughter. It's just that simple. This is not Esperanto of course. But for normal communication, even nothing ..
    2. Pushkar
      Pushkar 7 December 2013 16: 40
      +2
      Quote: sss5.papu
      It is up to the people to decide which language they need after their native language.
      Of course, it is up to each nation to decide. But it is also the business of our people how to react to this. That's just why the Russians are fleeing from your paradise. A whole family of refugees from Tashkent worked with me, they said. I will not retell, otherwise Article 282 I will be out of place. And why would they leave a 3-room apartment in the center of Tashkent?
      1. sss5.papu
        sss5.papu 7 December 2013 17: 06
        +4
        Throw away these fairy tales about refugees, especially those who abandoned their apartments, tired of this lie. the standard of living is very low, but the Uzbeks are also leaving because of this, so what? It is not uncommon for Russians to return back, and the reason is that they are treated badly in Russia, as visitors. And I'm not lying like some "whistleblowers". You as sadomasochists, you like it when they write that in Uzbekistan, they almost drink the blood of Russian children and are indignant when they write about normal conditions and relationships. What a disease!
        1. Pushkar
          Pushkar 7 December 2013 18: 51
          0
          Again, I will not tell you what it was. I'll tell you what's here. The eldest son graduated from the conservatory, baritone, opera singer, tours both in Russia and abroad, the youngest daughter also graduated from the conservatory in piano. Bought apartments, parents work. There were no prospects there. However, you know better in the EU. I have a cousin in Munich, my wife with a higher education, bring-take-feed, works in the store, he sits without work, but he knows everything about Russia and also teaches life. (What diseaseа(? request )
          1. sss5.papu
            sss5.papu 7 December 2013 19: 16
            +1
            I live in Uzbekistan!
      2. sashka
        sashka 9 December 2013 18: 17
        0
        In Namangan, kopeck piece can be bought for two hundred dollars.
  25. saag
    saag 7 December 2013 14: 15
    -3
    Quote: Former Mariman
    I’ll tell you a terrible secret: In Kazakhstan, in most secondary schools, instruction is in Russian, moreover, more hours are given in Russian and in Russian literature than in Kazakh and literature. There are specialized schools with the Kazakh language of instruction, and there are English. There are also so-called “Nazarbayev or presidential” schools with three languages ​​of instruction (Russian, English, Kazakh) in large cities for especially gifted children. In large cities, more and more Russians who do not plan to leave Kazakhstan send their children to Kazakh kindergartens. It comes to the realization that it is impossible to learn fullness from the USSR with all the desire to learn the language when everyone around speaks Russian, even if their children, in any state layout, spoke Kazakh! Yours faithfully!

    This is probably some other Kazakhstan, the Russian language two hours a week, there simply cannot be more than Kazakh, you tell tales, but everyone believes you :-) As for the plans to leave Kazakhstan, did you decide for everyone? The reality is a little different
    1. sashka
      sashka 7 December 2013 15: 17
      +3
      This is probably some other Kazakhstan,
      You just need to Love the Country? And there will be no problems
    2. sashka
      sashka 7 December 2013 15: 36
      +1
      This is what you do not know. Another World.
    3. FormerMariman
      FormerMariman 7 December 2013 15: 37
      0
      And you are a person in general where do you live, where is your homeland, and what is your name? Case is not LUMPEN?
      1. sashka
        sashka 7 December 2013 15: 43
        +1
        Quote: Former Mariman
        And you are a person in general where do you live, where is your homeland, and what is your name? Case is not LUMPEN?

        I do not live but live. The remaining questions do not make sense.
        1. FormerMariman
          FormerMariman 7 December 2013 16: 34
          +3
          Alexander, I did not contact you! If something hurt sorry! I turned to the forum member with the nickname SAAG. Without indicating the name and MOTHERLAND, he probably had not yet decided where to emigrate to him, but judging by his knowledge of Kazakhstan from him.
          1. sashka
            sashka 9 December 2013 11: 48
            0
            Sorry. The car is buggy .. Yes, and I myself have razoshёlsya. Collected in a "heap" of Russian Letters This is how much you need to spend money. To write 1 (one) letter.
            In Russian
    4. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 7 December 2013 16: 56
      +8
      Quote: saag
      What about the plans to leave Kazakhstan for all you yourself decided?
      ..
      Quote: saag
      Will leave (Russian), some outside of Kazakhstan, others outside of life in general
      Listen Sahag, are you broadcasting the Otkel now? From that world or from outside Kazakhstan ?! repeat If the second option, then I am very happy for the RK. drinks
      Quote: saag
      Russian language two hours a week, it simply cannot be more than Kazakh, it’s you telling tales, but everyone believes you :-)
      Kazakhstan is large, and in different regions the language situation may be different. In the north of Kazakhstan, most of them are schools with Russian as the language of instruction, like a rural school that I graduated from. Interestingly, at present, most students and teachers of Kazakh nationality are ok 2 / 3, but at the same time training is conducted in Russian ...
      A couple of years ago, Kazakh-speaking groups were closed at the Rudny Industrial Institute belay and Kazakh students were transferred to groups with the Russian language of instruction.
      Here is such a reality ...
    5. ekzorsist
      ekzorsist 11 December 2013 22: 15
      -3
      Hmmm, but the truth is still pricks the eyes, "goshpoda" Kazakhs !!! For what cons then riveted - "saag December 7, 2013 14:15"? For telling the truth!
      So enough to glorify yourself. That's why I’m saying shitty allies for Russia - Kazakhs, shitty. They will not sell tobacco for a snuff.
  26. saag
    saag 7 December 2013 14: 17
    +1
    Quote: sss5.papu
    Will Russian be as global as English

    Russian is the world language, therefore, as a working language, one of six languages, it is recognized by the UN
    1. sashka
      sashka 7 December 2013 15: 25
      0
      No. You are deceiving people into error.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 7 December 2013 18: 48
        +2
        Sashka, and saag is completely right.
  27. sashka
    sashka 7 December 2013 14: 53
    0
    My ideology provides for two options. Maydaunyty does not count. There is one question. We want to live better? Go to the polls. Churov will provide .. That’s still the guy. With the roots. This is what the Russian Language means. Like all the letters used?
  28. EvilLion
    EvilLion 7 December 2013 14: 58
    +1
    They didn’t know Russian there before the war, they don’t want to know now - their problems, as practice shows, switching the region from the Russian language zone quickly transfers it to the category of a laborer’s supplier. Although even in Moscow it is more profitable to take a gaster who understands what they are saying. They also will not learn English, on which he surrendered to them there, the Internet does not rely on them anyway. In the medium term, we don’t care much about them.
    In fact, even in Tataria, 60 was not known back to Kazan even years ago.
    1. sashka
      sashka 7 December 2013 15: 49
      0
      Quote: EvilLion
      They didn’t know Russian there before the war, they don’t want to know now - their problems, as practice shows, switching the region from the Russian language zone quickly transfers it to the category of a laborer’s supplier. Although even in Moscow it is more profitable to take a gaster who understands what they are saying. They also will not learn English, on which he surrendered to them there, the Internet does not rely on them anyway. In the medium term, we don’t care much about them.
      In fact, even in Tataria, 60 was not known back to Kazan even years ago.
      WHO ?
      And that we are not Russians?
  29. Turkestan
    Turkestan 7 December 2013 15: 30
    +6
    Dear friends, the city of Ferghana The Republic of Uzbekistan well, about 60 percent of the Uzbek citizens of the city of Ferghana speak Russian exactly, most of which are purely Russian. Moreover, recently, citizens of Uzbek nationality send their children to Russian groups of kindergartens, schools, lyceums, universities. Great popularity in the city of tutoring in the Russian language. A lot of Ads, Advertisements, the name of stores and companies in Russian. If state regulatory documents are issued, they are issued both in the Uzbek language and in Russian. In the army, the entire officer corps of Uzbekistan knows the Russian language. A lot of Russian TV and radio channels. Therefore, the numbers in the article on knowledge of the Russian language in Uzbekistan are doubtful, although of course the level of knowledge of the Russian language in Soviet times was higher than now.
    1. sss5.papu
      sss5.papu 7 December 2013 17: 20
      0
      Not knowing his own language, not worthy of respect! Not demanding respect for his people, language and culture, people not worthy of respect! That is why no one respects the Uzbeks, not that they do not respect, but despise. 99% of Uzbeks are descendants of the redneck left after the events of the 20-30s of the 20th century.
      1. Turkestan
        Turkestan 7 December 2013 18: 15
        +1
        Dear And I did write that citizens of Uzbek nationality do not know their native language. The fact of the matter is that they know both their native language and Russian.
        1. sss5.papu
          sss5.papu 7 December 2013 19: 14
          0
          Of course, you did not write like that, but I write about these and name who they really are. Now a lot of people have appeared who don’t speak their language and boast about it - they say we are so advanced. These are mainly children or grandchildren of provincials who came to Tashkent and descendants of those. what served others .Do you know, origin often matters
          1. Turkestan
            Turkestan 7 December 2013 19: 51
            +1
            99% of Uzbeks are descendants of the redneck left after the events of the 20-30s of the 20th century.

            I did not want to continue the discussion after such an offensive phrase.
            But you again repeated its truth in a different interpretation


            These are mainly children or grandchildren of provincials who came to Tashkent and descendants of those. for serving others. You know, origin often matters

            You could not disclose these phrases in more detail
            1. sss5.papu
              sss5.papu 7 December 2013 20: 58
              0
              "You could not reveal these phrases in more detail" - I can, but it will take a long time. In short, some tend to distance themselves from their origins. Besides, I didn't mean everyone! I myself was born in the province.
      2. Pushkar
        Pushkar 7 December 2013 19: 03
        0
        Quote: sss5.papu
        Not knowing his own language, not worthy of respect! Not demanding respect for his people, language and culture, people not worthy of respect! That is why no one respects the Uzbeks, not that they do not respect, but despise. 99% of Uzbeks are descendants of the redneck left after the events of the 20-30s of the 20th century.

        Dear, not a troll you, by chance? The content of your previous post is exactly the opposite of the last.
        1. sss5.papu
          sss5.papu 7 December 2013 21: 04
          0
          I wrote what I had in mind, and if you do not understand, it does not mean that I contradict myself. He doesn’t know, he is not worthy of respect and added that some do not know. What is wrong here?
  30. FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 7 December 2013 15: 43
    +5
    Quote: saag
    Quote: Former Mariman
    I’ll tell you a terrible secret: In Kazakhstan, in most secondary schools, instruction is in Russian, moreover, more hours are given in Russian and in Russian literature than in Kazakh and literature. There are specialized schools with the Kazakh language of instruction, and there are English. There are also so-called “Nazarbayev or presidential” schools with three languages ​​of instruction (Russian, English, Kazakh) in large cities for especially gifted children. In large cities, more and more Russians who do not plan to leave Kazakhstan send their children to Kazakh kindergartens. It comes to the realization that it is impossible to learn fullness from the USSR with all the desire to learn the language when everyone around speaks Russian, even if their children, in any state layout, spoke Kazakh! Yours faithfully!

    This is probably some other Kazakhstan, the Russian language two hours a week, there simply cannot be more than Kazakh, you tell tales, but everyone believes you :-) As for the plans to leave Kazakhstan, did you decide for everyone? The reality is a little different

    No matter what your name is! My daughter is in secondary school in the 7th grade and they have Russian literature 2 hours a week, and Kazakh literature 2 hours in 2 weeks, etc.!
  31. marshes
    marshes 7 December 2013 16: 08
    +4
    Guess what language I used to talk with firemen today, Ministry of Emergencies. New Year is just around the corner.
  32. marshes
    marshes 7 December 2013 16: 31
    +3
    I once wrote about the fact that the nephew, on the part of her wife living in Germany, learned the Kazakh language, although what did she need for? Of course, she is not perfect, but she says that it is similar to German and English in delivering the proposal. I am surprised how easy it is to study Kazakh English, Germans and Italians.
  33. Pushkar
    Pushkar 7 December 2013 16: 49
    +1
    (Regards) Aryan. belay
    1. marshes
      marshes 7 December 2013 16: 51
      +3
      Quote: Pushkar
      (Regards) Aryan.

      Or maybe the Mari language. fellow
  34. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 7 December 2013 16: 50
    +1
    YES HELLO RUSSIAN LANGUAGE !!
    1. marshes
      marshes 7 December 2013 16: 53
      +3
      And you have a Bulgar, in the Turkic language or what?
  35. Shep
    Shep 7 December 2013 16: 55
    +2
    4,5% of the Russian population knew the Uzbek language. That is, Russian was easier with the Uzbek language than with others (Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Tajik). Well, probably it is. Yesterday, a neighbor (Russian, by profession was a military man) came from the suburbs, he grit that he is still not used to Russians in Russia. Although it has been living there for 9 years. He grew up in the Uzbek mahalla, knows our language. I made a pilaf at home and wanted to treat the neighbors, so they did not understand why he came to them with food))))))))))))))
  36. Shep
    Shep 7 December 2013 16: 59
    +2
    EvilLion RU Today, 14:58
    They didn’t know Russian there before the war .......


    You are still those who did not know Russian call uneducated
    before the conquest of the SA, people there knew, apart from theirs and their neighbors, + Arabic.
  37. marshes
    marshes 7 December 2013 17: 32
    +1
    Marek, on 4 LTE, go. The speed is better than on the beeline, without a limit.
    1. marshes
      marshes 7 December 2013 18: 00
      +2
      Oh, the advertisement is, however.
      It’s interesting to know what language managers, Sberbank of Russia, Bipek Avto and other companies speak, which are not few in Kazakhstan, a bazaar is a seller of a car vase. Of course, they pay from the locals to speak two languages ​​and pay extra for the third. The business will choose which language talk. There will be an injection into the economy from Russia, they will speak Russian.
      The Dutch and Swiss most invested in the economy of Kazakhstan, the islands learn English. laughing
      1. marshes
        marshes 7 December 2013 18: 34
        +3
        I buy components in China. I negotiate in "broken" Angian. Although those who are in Shanghai and Hong Kong, Xianggang. They communicate fairly well in Angian.
        I learn Hebrew, conversational. No matter how I gathered in Eilat in February, although I think Russian is enough. laughing
        For a week until the second of March. smile
        1. Pushkar
          Pushkar 7 December 2013 23: 13
          +1
          Quote: marshes

          I learn Hebrew, conversational. No matter how I gathered in Eilat in February, although I think Russian is enough. laughing
          For a week until the second of March. smile
          We were in Tel Aviv. I needed superglue. I go to the store and begin to explain to the lady at the checkout (naturally, in English!) "Glitch, supergly" and help myself with my hands, I show everything. She looks at me so tiredly, sighs and across the store - "Mash, look, do we still have superglue gel?" So, do not waste time on Hebrew, all the same then only "shalom" and "ani tayyar ve russia" will remain. Russian tourists are understood and appreciated everywhere.
          1. marshes
            marshes 7 December 2013 23: 17
            +1
            Quote: Pushkar
            "shalom" da "ani tayyar ve russia".

            And how did you like it? For me, this trip will be the first, although it will fly for a long time, I can not stand long flights, you will not smoke.
  38. aud13
    aud13 7 December 2013 18: 26
    +1
    No less important in my opinion is the problem of crowding out of our lives our existing norms and rules.
    They have already spoken about the Bologna education system.
    The same can be said about the imposition on us by immigrants from Western companies, Messrs. Schneidman and Shatalin, of international accounting standards. The benefits are not obvious, and the costs to the business are huge. And the same situation is in some other industries.
    By the way, I just read in the news - that the Constitutional Court has finally spoken out on the topic of who is more important - our Constitutional Court or the ECHR (European Court of Human Rights). This problem has long ripened. Because the arrogant Europeans with their snout through this ECHR are already starting to tell us in the judicial sector.
    Personally, in my understanding, all these "European winds" must be borrowed extremely carefully and in rare, really necessary cases.
  39. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 18: 32
    0
    How, after hundreds of years of presence in Central Asia, will Russian disappear?
    1. FormerMariman
      FormerMariman 7 December 2013 18: 44
      +5
      Edward is a tantrum! Hundreds of years of presence, what images in twenty years will he suddenly disappear? My opponents are either inspired by stories about the horrors of Russian life in Kazakhstan, or the Kazakhstanis themselves hating their homeland and the whole world because they do not need it anywhere, and to learn 20-30 words from the Kazakh-Russian phrasebook for use it is a bane.
      1. EdwardTich68
        EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 20: 24
        0
        Of course, Russian will remain the language of communication, I can not imagine an Uzbek or a Tajik speaking Russian in English, which both do not understand.
        1. Michael_59
          Michael_59 7 December 2013 21: 03
          0
          Both of you, speaking about the "hundreds of years of presence" of the Russian language as a bearer of culture, do not take into account the decades of presence and testing "in the field" of such a phenomenon as the mass media. This is a means of brainwashing and shaping any culture that is beneficial to the customer.
        2. Clegg
          Clegg 8 December 2013 10: 46
          +1
          I can not imagine a Russian who speaks English)))
  40. Zymran
    Zymran 7 December 2013 18: 55
    +4
    Frankly, I don’t like the language policy of the country, it is too inconsistent and goes against the foreign policy. On the one hand, he (LN) seeks to introduce the Kazakh language everywhere, and on the other hand, the state interests of Kazakhstan are in full swing in favor of Russia. It would have been better on the contrary.
    1. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 20: 38
      -3
      Kazakh language, the language of local tribes. Russian is one of the languages ​​that determine the path of civilization. I hope the line is clear?
      1. romb
        romb 7 December 2013 21: 02
        +4
        Let me insert something like that too. The Kazakh language belongs to the group of Turkic languages ​​spoken by the great empires of Eurasia - the Huns, Avars of the Turki, Kyrgyzstan, Uyghurs, Kipchaki (Polovtsy), was the official language of the Genghis Khan empire, etc. Most of the East Slavic princes, who at one time received a label on the rule of the Golden Horde, spoke this language.
        1. sss5.papu
          sss5.papu 8 December 2013 11: 59
          0
          One question, were the Huns and Türks and Kyrgyzs and Uigurs, etc. talking in Kazakh?
        2. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 8 December 2013 13: 41
          0
          Quote: romb
          Most of the East Slavic princes expressed themselves in this language ....

          wink
          Clear. After all, then there was still no Russian language.
    2. ekzorsist
      ekzorsist 11 December 2013 22: 37
      -1
      Kazakhstan interests?!? Opochki !!! Something new !
      It’s necessary to write down somewhere ...
      By and large, Russia is more concerned about the interests of Kazakhstan than Kazakhstan itself with the government.
      Look how many Kazakhs study in Russia for free? How many Kazakhs are treated in Russia, again, almost for free?
      Are these show-offs permanent with Baikonur? Yes, if it weren’t for Russia, there would have been a steppe and a steppe all around for 20 years ... and not a cosmodrome!
      About the Semipalatinsk test site everyone is bunching ... yes, I personally saw how the local Semipalatinsk aborigines blew up the preserved adits with gas cylinders - they picked out non-ferrous metals, ferrous metal and everything for the delivery of pearls. They were told - "Fools there is residual radiation .... tyras, pyry, it's not for nothing that they caulked them !!!"
      And they will hatch their little eyes - "Wai saparka is very thin !!! Do not swear at the nasal!" And to the side they will move further in pure Russian obscene - like it's all the Russians fucked up the whole ecology, how well we lived 400-500 years ago ... he held the horse, ate, kept a lamb, ate ...
      And the fact that not everyone kept and did not eat everything ... they do not get it.
  41. romb
    romb 7 December 2013 19: 17
    +3
    The Russian language will lose its relevance only when the majority of Kazakhs stop perceiving Russians as part of their world. And to prevent this from happening, the Russians themselves need to understand that their native language, first of all, is a means of information and communication between various subjects, which, on the one hand, can enrich and help according to the principle: "... will bring to Kiev" or be on the contrary, in the role: "my tongue is my enemy." Today, among the young generation of Kazakhs, the opinion is starting to spread more and more that the Russian language can no longer provide the necessary volume of knowledge that a person will need for his future professional growth in the context of general globalization. It is believed that the total amount of information available in Russian is only a small part of what is in English, since the overwhelming majority of works and documentation of various kinds were originally written or primarily translated into English. In this case, the Russian language acts as a kind of copy-paste. Therefore, why waste time studying the copy when you can directly refer to the original. So, for example, a number of my young relatives - Almaty residents who graduated or are graduating from schools, now prefer classes on mastering English, Chinese or Turkish, because propose to continue their studies not in Russia, but in countries more favorable for knowledge.
    1. marshes
      marshes 7 December 2013 19: 38
      +4
      Ron
      Russia is not standing still, although I am not a fan, a cousin, according to her aunt, is studying in graduate school in St. Petersburg, a historian, at the expense of a rosary, they are from Orenburg. What he will be offered to one Almighty, although I am not religious.
      1. romb
        romb 7 December 2013 19: 57
        +5
        Salem! You have not been seen for a long time. hi There are still remnants of the old Soviet school in Russia, in some areas the Russian education system can still provide world-class knowledge. But if they want to not only preserve all this, but also increase it, then for this they need at least make a qualitative leap. And so, all the time self-confidently sitting on the old groundwork, in the hope that everything will settle down by itself would be a crime. We, ourselves, need not only to hold on to old ties, but also to send as many of our students as possible to the best educational institutions of the world, the knowledge of which will allow us in the future to shoot in certain high-tech areas with a considerable probability. Here, as they say: "Friendship is friendship, and tobacco apart."
        1. marshes
          marshes 7 December 2013 20: 20
          +6
          Ron, come on you ...
          And I’m already afraid of my age. smile It's sucks. smile It’s very scary.
          Yes, Russia can give a lot, now. But they are not allowed into some areas, MVTU im. Bauman and others, although they allowed Mozhayka to enter the air defense system there. Even in Soviet times, some cadets were not allowed, only in 85 years and later Kazakhs could enter the example of the Strategic Missile Forces of the Strategic Missile Forces, they weren’t allowed before ours. honey commission pass. By the way, my father says that in 60-70 it was possible to enter freely and in 80 only Russians and Ukrainians were in military schools, aviation. My brother Baloshovsky also wanted to do it.
          So the gap between nationalities did not begin at 90, but at the end of 60, and we are not to blame.
          Honestly, my father didn’t love Ukrainians anymore, though there were decent people, but they say without soap ... And that’s all for the example of the Kiev Military District. smile
          1. romb
            romb 7 December 2013 20: 48
            +3
            Indeed, when certain Russian colleagues begin to take offense, invent any tales and horror stories about evil Kazakhs, then you involuntarily begin to remember how it all began. Then you come to the conclusion that, by and large, it was not the Kazakhs who started it. I think that during the union there was no Kazakh who would not hear about himself undeserved reviews from Russian brothers - chock, Kalbit, etc. Me in 91g. I myself was registered in the children's room of the police, only because I lowered one such boor up the school ladder.
            1. marshes
              marshes 7 December 2013 20: 56
              +4
              Quote: romb
              . I think that during the union there was no Kazakh who would not hear about himself undeserved reviews from Russian brothers - chock, Kalbit, etc.

              and I heard before, in the early 80s, in the army, my father told me, rewarding and growth, was late. He had a normal attitude in the crew, all the same life, and the most amazing thing was when he was on a business trip in the Baltic states, so I I respect. By the way, the whole crew in Kazakhstan lives!
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        2. Kasym
          Kasym 7 December 2013 21: 29
          +5
          Ron. For information . There are only three scientific schools in the world. One of them is Russian. All scientific and technological progress is based on them. What it is and how it works in one word can not explain. I'll try with an example.
          Late 50s, early 60s. The era of the computer is coming. Two academicians Aleksandrov and Lyusternik gather 200 of the most trained young specialists from all universities of the USSR, naturally on the instructions of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR. To open faculties or departments in applied mathematics in these universities. Someone in the future remains in graduate school. Naturally, they themselves choose (academics). They have been leading them for decades (I'm not joking, maturity in science comes after 50 years. And only a part of them will be able to say like, this problem has a huge applied value, or is it interesting only for the development of science itself, or it can be "junk "Send is already nuggets. At the time of the collapse, there were no more fingers like that on your hands - mathematics and mechanics). So, I deviated a little, after 5 years we got this direction in all these universities. And after a while we received so many frames that we could send Gagarin into space and the cosmic history of mankind began. So that's it. The same Lyusternik has students in almost all states of the Warsaw Pact. At the moment, he already has a second generation of followers. Only in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, his "student" has about 3 doctors of sciences and about 70-80 candidates in his "students". This is one school where there is a scientific relationship between them. But all this is destroyed - little is left. From theory to practice, 50 years, at best, as with a computer - 25 years.
          And when such a BOLASHAKOVET comes here. No one knows his base, nor his program and direction. He will grow years ... eleven, no less. To prepare a candidate, you need about 8 years, starting from the 3rd course. He usually goes where they pay more. Salary Doc. Sciences about 125 - 150 tons of tenge at full rate, and this is about 40-50 years. The candidate is about 90 -100 t. T. At full rate (this is important).
          At the moment, Kazakhstan can create something on old frames (for example, a mass spectrometer that has no analogue if there is money). And then there is an abyss. We cannot have scientific schools in isolation from others, because not self-sufficient. And all there is is a Russian scientist. school. There will be no "breakthrough", at the moment we can only adopt something. But, alas, create a new product. hi
          1. romb
            romb 7 December 2013 21: 39
            +3
            Hello!hi This is all to a certain extent understandable. But let's not talk about the past, but about the near future. It is not a matter of what happened (basis, etc.), but of what is, and what is still left. Still, a new technological revolution will begin soon (at least this is predicted in the media), and whether Russia will be ready for it and who will be the leader in it is already in question.
    2. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 20: 30
      -2
      No one is against, let them give up the language of the people who created their state. laughing
      1. marshes
        marshes 7 December 2013 20: 48
        +3
        Quote: EdwardTich68
        No one is against, let them give up the language of the people who created their state.

        It will be interesting to hear the opinion of those who created the Moscow state.
        After all, 70% were Tatars, Türskaya nobility. Take at least the Biryukovs, the descendants of Biruk Khan. laughing Yes, Alexander Nevsky had an Arabic script on his helmet.
        So I’ll come to visit you with Hanukkah soon. I don’t graze on that branch, I have a normal attitude towards the Jews, so hello everyone.
      2. romb
        romb 7 December 2013 20: 49
        +4
        Are you talking about the Golden Horde and its role in the formation of a centralized Russian state? wink laughing
        1. marshes
          marshes 7 December 2013 20: 59
          +4
          Quote: romb
          Are you talking about the Golden Horde and its role in the formation of a centralized Russian state?

          I’m talking about this, sorry for Marek. smile
          1. marshes
            marshes 7 December 2013 21: 23
            +2
            My elder brother has a Jewish wife, so I get three nieces
            Jewish women plus daughter-in-law.
            Well, how do I live? laughing Moreover, the eldest grew up on my hands. smile What not to hold a red diploma of Narkhoz. smile
            For the inhabitants of Israel, probably a shock, but you have not seen my niece. laughing
            1. romb
              romb 7 December 2013 21: 32
              +3
              I apologize for being in a family life, but I have a question: didn’t you offer to move to Israel?
              For the inhabitants of Israel, probably a shock, but you have not seen my niece

              I think that they can be greatly surprised by the Kazakh facial features, especially since there are many of our former fellow citizens there. In Israel there are many representatives of the African continent, in my opinion from Ethiopia, but it is better to ask the guys from there.
              1. marshes
                marshes 7 December 2013 21: 47
                +1
                Quote: romb
                I apologize for being in a family life, but I have a question: didn’t you offer to move to Israel?

                Believe it or not, the brother of the Strategic Missile Forces was offered, all the more, when he was told that he would go to "his" Kazakhstan, letters came from there and from Iran.
                At the expense of "devil", surprisingly, they even interrupt the Mongoloid-European features. True, my eyes are brown, I have green eyes. A neighbor of Karakalpak has gray-blue-horror. smile
                Last year, only two citizens became Kazakhstanis, while dual citizenship is forbidden in our country, after all. smile.
            2. Kasym
              Kasym 7 December 2013 21: 53
              +3
              Swamps, congratulations! The tribe is probably a hurricane! I represent the Jewish relatives in captivity at the Amazon !!! wink
              1. marshes
                marshes 7 December 2013 22: 06
                +2
                Quote: Kasym
                ! The tribe is probably a hurricane!

                The son-in-law will probably be from South Korea, so we'll see, the truth is, and the Japanese "wooed".
                Although we decided to get married according to our traditions smile and the wedding would be in Almaty. laughing
                This is horror ... laughing for foreigners.
                But in principle, a little sick of meeting and seeing off. smile
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 7 December 2013 22: 22
                  +4
                  Well THIS AT ALL !!! Full INTERNATIONAL !!! And how to cope with such your mentality and worldview ??? And where only nomads will not throw us !!! good
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 7 December 2013 22: 35
                    +3
                    Quote: Kasym
                    And where only nomads will not throw us !!!

                    Honestly I do not know!
                    I have two, I don’t even know whether to study in Israel, Canada, USA, Germany, medicine.
                    Everything for people, maybe I didn’t pay extra in some places, well, let them pay back my "debts". Although ...
                    Well, I’ll find the means, but I’m mentally preparing them.
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                  3. Semurg
                    Semurg 8 December 2013 09: 12
                    +2
                    Quote: Kasym
                    Well THIS AT ALL !!! Full INTERNATIONAL !!! And how to cope with such your mentality and worldview ??? And where only nomads will not throw us !!! good

                    Yes Dauren sat now thinking, my grandchildren and granddaughters are Kazakhs and semi-Ukrainians and semi-Uzbeks and semi-English in general porridge. When everyone gathers together on weekends and holidays, this is a real horde (terrible and implacable when they share toys, gifts and grandfather with grandmother laughing )
        2. EdwardTich68
          EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 22: 07
          -3
          This is me about Kazakhstan, which was created in 1936 by Russians.
          1. romb
            romb 7 December 2013 22: 14
            +5
            Honestly, you don’t even want to troll. Do not be offended, but you are not childishly mediocre.
            If you kindle, do so at least with a twinkle. wink
            1. EdwardTich68
              EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 22: 19
              0
              Well, I’ve been troll for.
              1. marshes
                marshes 7 December 2013 22: 25
                +3
                Quote: EdwardTich68
                Well, I’ve been troll for.

                From Ukraine?
                I wish her all the best!
                On Inter not bad shows show.
                The heads and tails on Friday on Sunday will be about Almaty and Astana.
                1. EdwardTich68
                  EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 22: 45
                  -2
                  No, brotherly, I entical
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 7 December 2013 22: 58
                    +2
                    Quote: EdwardTich68
                    No, brotherly, I entical

                    And in Russian? Like, at the moment I look at Friday + 4, there is a holiday.
                    1. EdwardTich68
                      EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 23: 15
                      0
                      In Russian, I am ethnic Russian.
                      1. marshes
                        marshes 7 December 2013 23: 27
                        +3
                        Quote: EdwardTich68
                        I am ethnic Russian.

                        Did you make a genetic analysis?
                      2. EdwardTich68
                        EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 23: 40
                        0
                        What about the purity of the race?
                      3. marshes
                        marshes 8 December 2013 00: 07
                        +2
                        Quote: EdwardTich68
                        What about the purity of the race?

                        I’m honest about the purity of the race, I have Turkic, Ugro-Finnish and other blood, I think. But there is another thing, I know all the ancestors to the seventh generation, my kind and the most entertaining thing is that by European standards I relate to nobles as well any Kazakh.Kazakh-Cossack-free man, even the kings could not for the fortress and Kyrgyz-Kyrgyz-not conquered in translation into Russian.
                        No sooner had the tsarist power divided into servants and lords.
                      4. EdwardTich68
                        EdwardTich68 8 December 2013 00: 56
                        +1
                        To the nobles? Whose court did your forefathers serve very interestingly?
                      5. marshes
                        marshes 8 December 2013 01: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: EdwardTich68
                        To the nobles? Whose court did your forefathers serve very interestingly?

                        My ancestors ruled the kaganate, the kingdom and even the state was.
                        I have a family book, just like any Kazakh, and my children are inscribed. smile Shezhere we know and honor. smile
                      6. EdwardTich68
                        EdwardTich68 8 December 2013 01: 44
                        0
                        Khazar Jew?
                      7. EdwardTich68
                        EdwardTich68 8 December 2013 02: 07
                        0
                        I would say that it’s a poison, but I’m wasting time on you.
                      8. marshes
                        marshes 9 December 2013 12: 31
                        +1
                        Not a Jew. laughing
                        West Türkic Kaganate, Kingdom of Karakhnids and Mogulistan.
  • Turkestan
    Turkestan 7 December 2013 20: 32
    +3
    Or maybe it's very simple. The Russian language in the post-Soviet space has become a language without any pressure INTERNATIONAL COMMUNICATION. And taking into account its intensive study, at least by the citizens of the Central Asian republics, in the Russian language THE FUTURE
  • zennon
    zennon 7 December 2013 20: 57
    0
    I don’t see any problem. I was born and lived for 41 years in Frunze. I can say the following: we need to help ethnic Russians leave Asia, as well as representatives of European ethnic groups who want it (Germans, Czechs, etc.) Asia is not small. I have lived, I know.) As Solzhenitsin said “to preserve the population.” As for the aborigines, they know Russian, they don’t know, it’s purple! Do not let them into Russia! I don’t understand the moaning of the author of the article about the shrinking of the Russian language in Asia. But what is not everything to us exactly?
    1. romb
      romb 7 December 2013 21: 18
      +1
      Are you ready for the possible consequences? And they may not be positive for Russia. Nevertheless, the language largely determines the ideology and political priorities of the state.
      Still, one must remember that: "A holy place is never empty."
      1. zennon
        zennon 7 December 2013 22: 27
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        Quote: romb
        Are you ready for the possible consequences? And they may not be positive for Russia. Nevertheless, the language largely determines the ideology and political priorities of the state.
        Still, one must remember that: "A holy place is never empty."

        And what are these consequences? What are we losing? Gaster, whom people can no longer see? How to lose them as soon as possible? Presence in Central Asia? And why should we have this presence? Feed them for life with loans that no one will ever give away? Enemy bases They put it there? Let them put it (yes, they already have it in Manas). We have been living for decades surrounded by NATO bases, so what? As long as we have a SYZ, we are not afraid of anything. "Oh USSR, oh friendship of peoples!" All this "friendship "was based on the merciless exploitation of Russia, and to the detriment of it! If Geyropa lived at the expense of the colonies, then we included them in our country. We created schools there, universities, built European cities, took care of sanitation. How much Russia has invested in these" republics " And what did you get? Any Russian will tell you there "We have no future here." Millions of Russian people who sold everything that have been touched end up without housing and prospects. Did you think about them? "Holy place"? Yes, let someone take this place instead of us as soon as possible ! Let others now feed them, teach, heal, civilize.
        1. romb
          romb 7 December 2013 22: 53
          +2
          Andrey, forgive me, but this is somewhat different from what I asked you about. I did not ask about the moral and moral suffering of individual immigrants. Here the question was about geopolitical long-term planning and analysis of the situation regarding the Central Asian region - a change in the military-political priorities of the state, transnational crime, etc. For example, would you hardly want to see NATO or Chinese military bases on the territory of the SA? It is also possible that you understand what the further radicalization of a separate part of the Central Asian population can turn into for Russia. Well, and a plus. You can't say with certainty that there won't be a massive increase in the supply of narcotic substances to Russia from the territory of Afghanistan and individual CA countries?
          1. zennon
            zennon 7 December 2013 23: 25
            0
            Can you hear yourself
            the moral suffering of individual migrants

            These are millions of Russian people trying to survive here and now! You are not an innocent communist-theorist in Capri, but in Lucerne sweetly chirping about a mythical "bright future", while calmly agreeing that millions of people would give their lives for it! also a "separate migrant". Transnational crime? Do not let them into Russia! Bases? I wrote about this. Let them put them! We have lived and will live for generations!
            a gross increase in the supply of narcotic substances to Russia from Afghanistan and certain CA countries?

            Border regime, "thorn", KSP. Satran, whose flag do you represent excellent relations with Mexico. Well, how does this help? You need to talk about the problems of mattress with drugs, crime, illegal emigration and other fruits of this good neighborhood?
            further radicalization of a separate part of the Central Asian population

            You can’t stop him with your presence there. The recipe is simple-do not let them in Russia !!!
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 7 December 2013 21: 20
    +4
    I think the numbers are lying. Well, there was not a single Russian in my circle who knew Kazakh, and you say 1%. Well, except for the dictionary on the signs - Bread-Nan, Fish-Balyk. drinks
    In general, the nations of the metropolises do not teach the languages ​​of dominions. The problems of Russian in the former republics of the USSR are problems of future mutual understanding and mutual cooperation. Say, after 100 years, Tajiks will be surprised that once their ancestors knew Russian. And these Tajiks will be exactly the same for Russians as the Pashtuns now.
    And do not be afraid for Kazakhstan. The Russian language is part of our culture. drinks
    1. marshes
      marshes 7 December 2013 21: 28
      +2
      Asan-Ata, I’ve heard from Indians on account of living in London.
      I cannot repeat exactly, the theme is that you have been plundering my country for many centuries, now "Boomerang" is coming back.
  • Indifferent
    Indifferent 7 December 2013 21: 28
    +2
    My daughter teaches programming at the Lyceum. There are Russian groups and there are Uzbeks. There are no English. In Russian groups there are many mestizos, Tatars, Koreans and Germans. There are almost no Russians! Nobody is going to close these groups. On the contrary! The most enlightened Uzbeks send their children to Russian classes and groups. Only there they can get a real education. The level of Uzbek education has long dropped below the plinth. Russian schools do not close! On the contrary! They are the most prestigious. The old Soviet way was preserved there.
    My school friend works as a chief accountant in a large firm. He does not know the Uzbek language. From time to time, they frighten her by switching to purely Uzbek. Then she runs to the boss with dismissal. What does the boss say, how many translators do you need? 2-3? We will take as much as necessary, but you do not leave work!
    So in Tashkent, Russian and Russian specialists are still in price. I do not agree with the author of the article!
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 8 December 2013 10: 51
      +1
      Quote: indifferent
      The most enlightened Uzbeks send their children to Russian classes and groups.

      Nonsense and nonsense))) What are enlightened? Mankurts are ordinary and all)))
  • kirgiz
    kirgiz 7 December 2013 21: 38
    +2
    Russian is a must for Central Asians. my opinion!
    It just so happens that a certain part of the able-bodied population of these republics is on a labor shift in the Russian Federation.
    Today I observed the following picture at the construction site: three builders from Uzbekistan, guys of 25 years old and a builder from Tajikistan, their peers were arguing enthusiastically about something (well, almost arguing), because they simply did not understand each other. Then they switched to the great and powerful, well, in principle, after that their process started. As I understand it, the roots of these seemingly related languages ​​are still different. And therefore, in most cases they speak the language that everyone understands, but knowledge of the Russian language itself suffers.
    It’s a pleasure to talk with their foreman, a man of about 50 years old (also from Uzbekistan): diction, phonetics, correct construction of words in a sentence, faultlessness in expressing one’s thoughts. He will teach Russian to many native Russians.
    I ask him: - where does this knowledge of the language come from?
    “Yes, that's what I am,” he says: “Soviet.”
    These are the differences.
    He knows the language, they do not.
    They knock with hammers, he reads the blueprints.
    They consider themselves terribly pious, read namaz, but at the same time they look at dinner .. on the hundredths, he never talks about God, but he speaks long-distance with his wife.
    They believe that vodka is alcoholism, but drink beer in the evenings, he takes chikushka on Saturdays.
    And for many reasons, I like "old school" better.
  • Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 7 December 2013 21: 54
    -2
    Over the past 20 years, 23 000 cities, rural settlements and
    villages.
    Over the past 10 years, the population in the Far East has decreased by 40% and by 60% by
    Far North.
    Every year Russia loses an entire region equal to Pskov in terms of population
    or a republic the size of Karelia, or such a large city as Krasnodar.
    Every minute in Russia, 5 people die, only 3 is born. Mortality
    exceeds the birth rate by 1,7 times, in some regions - by 2-3 times.
    26 000 children do not live to 10 years annually, 50 babies die every day,
    70% of them are in maternity hospitals.
    In the world ranking in terms of mortality, Russia is in 12 place with
    end next door to Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Chad, Somalia.
    In terms of life expectancy, our country takes the 162-th place in the world behind
    Papua New Guinea and Honduras.
    The average life expectancy of Russian men is 59 years (in the EU countries - 79
    years, in the USA - 78, in Canada - 81, in Japan - 82 years)
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 7 December 2013 23: 42
      0
      In 2011, the birth rate in Russia exceeded the death rate, if not mistaken, by 76 thousand people. Your data is out of date, Mr. Kibalchish. And in terms of life expectancy, we raised it - 129th place (69,7 years).
  • VirtusEtHonor
    VirtusEtHonor 8 December 2013 07: 55
    +4
    Pleased with comments on the article.
    By the way, here is a small copy-paste from the site http://www.zonakz.net/blogs/user/rabochij/22395.html

    The Russians.
    Yes, they are not Turks. Yes, they are not even Asians.
    They consider themselves Aryans. But we all know that their language with which we speak in any CIS country is very convenient for us.
    We are the same in spirit and in thinking.
    Both Russians and Kazakhs have women in their families.
    Both Russians and Kazakhs have decided to drink a lot of vodka and spend all their time in lush feasts.
    We are also optional and lazy.
    We also harness slowly, but drive fast.
    We have common tales and epics in which some Polovtsy, other Rusich.
    We have a common history since the last millennium.
    We endure equally to the last and then explode and sweep away everything in its path.
    Kazakh riot, as ruthless and merciless and no less stupid than Russian.
    We are real brothers. We are KAZAKH and RUSSIAN brothers forever.


    So whoever says anything, everything in Baghdad is calm!
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 8 December 2013 15: 08
      +1
      Oga, let the author go to Russia and tell the local Russians that he is their brother. lol
    2. Clegg
      Clegg 8 December 2013 15: 30
      +1
      zonakz, net belongs to a Jew who is a Russian chauvinist.
      Mostly Kazakh-phobes and mankurts sit there, I'm sure this post was written either by Russian or mankurt.

      We are not brothers. They never were and never will be.

      In general, in Kazakhstan, all nationalities attach themselves to the Russians, I especially want to note the Jews, Tatars and Koreans))) I will not be surprised if in the case of Ross. they will meet aggression with bread and salt.
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 8 December 2013 17: 12
        +3
        Quote: Clegg
        In general, in Kazakhstan, all nationalities attach themselves to the Russians, I especially want to note the Jews, Tatars and Koreans))) I will not be surprised if in the case of Ross. they will meet aggression with bread and salt.


        As for the Koreans, I do not agree, in general, they keep their nose in the wind, who have the strength for those they will be. Tatars are completely Russified, but there are those who preserve their culture. The latter are more. I can’t speak for Jews.

        In general, I believe that Russians are a people with a great history and culture. Kazakh Russians are also distinguished by great patriotism for their historical homeland, that is, for Russia and hostility to the state of Kazakhstan. Therefore, it’s not worth talking about some kind of brotherhood.
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