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The last marshal. Dmitry Yazov about the first shooting, Stalin, Yeltsin and Gorbachev

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The last marshal. Dmitry Yazov about the first shooting, Stalin, Yeltsin and Gorbachev

Dmitry Yazov is the last marshal of the Soviet Union. His life has incorporated all the earthly faces and sections. Full-height attacks, sharp ups and sheer falls. He held in his hands the notorious Soviet nuclear suitcase, was in prison, passed the earthly trial and historical. He still holds his back straight and looks life not just in the eyes - in the pupils.


First shot

My childhood was very short, my father died in 1934, when I was nine years old, the carefree time immediately ended, my mother left a ladder of four children.

As I remember, mother says: you have become the main man in the family, we must make sure that we have firewood for the winter. I traveled by a bullhead, collected branches, brushwood, and by the winter we had almost full crumbs turned out to be brushwood.

I studied generally well. But voluntarily I spent a year in the 4 class, I had to go to study in another village, we have a four-year school, and I didn’t even have a normal shirt.

1941 year, I moved to the 10 class, and then the war. I think to myself: how is it? We have such a powerful Red Army, strong, break the fascists, we do not even have time to make war, shoot. Let's go to the draft board. Once they came, they let us out, the second time. And then more or less began to relate, how old are you? I jokingly say - 18 already. Oh, OK. And we were recruited by 6 people and sent to a military unit. Thus, I ended up at the school of the Supreme Soviet in Novosibirsk, it was there in evacuation. 28 November 1941 took the oath.

And on July 17, 1942 of the year, an order was issued to confer us a lieutenant rank, and forward to the front.

And I haven’t had 18 yet, I was born on November 8 of 1924. It was 17,5 years. Our battalion was sent to the Volkhov front. I remember that on the log flooring, in the swamps were miles 50. We come to a clearing in the forest, there is a man of 400 officers. We were attached to the left flank, I have no idea why that. Look, lead junior lieutenant without a belt, without a cap, zachuhannoy. There is a division commander, the head of the political department, the chairman of the tribunal, the prosecutor. Reads the solution: shoot for cowardice. We were shot before our eyes. In the swamp, in the slush in this one, they dug something like a grave, and in the back of his head he fell.

The feeling was terrible, they looked at each other, everyone understood. This was already when Stalin issued an order about deserters and shorts. And, apparently, using the situation, we were shown this order in action. That junior lieutenant commanded a platoon, the Germans launched an offensive. He ran away. And the platoon repelled this attack, he was caught in the rear, where he was hanging out. For cowardice shot.

Then it seemed to me that it was cruel, now I think that it was necessary. What are you commander when a platoon threw?

The whole trouble is that very many people think: we have a lot of land, and we can step back. While they thought so, the Germans began to approach Stalingrad itself. Either we understand the need for the strictest compliance with the order, or we will ruin our country and state. So the question was seriously raised. Remember "They fought for the Motherland" Sholokhov? Here and there, we go down to the women and so on. In order to have the strictest discipline, penal battalions and punitive companies were created. Some say: here's the penalty box won. They did not win anything, they did not shoot at anyone. But everyone who thinks to retreat knew that they could get there. Penal companies in the army acted. Penalties at the most critical area or defended, or attacked. They called criminals from prisons. Who succeeded in fulfilling the first order, everyone removed the conviction, and life could be started from scratch.

Deep lenses

I never dreamed of war. Usually in a dream you see what was said recently, something so close happened.

I was in the army with 17 years, but I never learned to swear. I think the mat is good on the farm


Only a mother sometimes comes to me in a dream, with the mother of a man the most durable umbilical cord. I did not have such that I saw the front in a dream. Nayavu, now speaking to you, I remember so many moments.

I remember how the junior lieutenant was shot. Like a shell hit right in a soldier. There was a soldier, and he is not. Thorax, and from there the steam goes. No hands, no legs. Just a rib cage. And steam ... Head to the side. Come, collect all the remains and bury them there.

Yulia Drunina said well: "Whoever says that in war is not terrible, he does not know anything about war." When a gun is aimed at you, it seems scary, it seems not scary. It seems that come what may. When you go on the attack, when the firing points are not suppressed and you feel - come what may. It is terrible, while you think that you need to rise to full height and lead the attack. Very scary. And as he jumped up, there was no need for anything.

We, the young boys, it was easier, and 50-year-old soldiers raised foul language.

I could not swear. You believe that you haven’t learned to swear from the 17 years in the army, I think that the mat is good on the collective farm, when the bulls do not obey. And with people it is impossible.

I was a kid compared to those soldiers who came across Lake Ladoga from besieged Leningrad, with faces swollen from starvation. An interesting detail: these elderly soldiers never abandoned their stuff. I somehow tried to look, but what's in that bag. Some tops of boots, soles, some kind of rag. Why do you need it? And he says: what if I get hurt. And I'll go home, and this will all come in handy. The man in that hell was thinking about the house.

Here the writer Victor Astafyev wrote very blackly about war, I would say hysterically. You know, Astafiev didn’t go on the attack. He was only a signalman.

Viktor Petrovich was a talented man. He could describe in this way how some spikelet grows from the seed, what grass makes its way. Strong literary talent. But at the same time, where something concerns the main point, everything is bad for him: a bad commander, bad leaders, a bad ideology. It's all about the human perception of the world, for everyone it is their own. Causes in our inner depth lenses ...

Khrushchev

Khrushchev ... I still keep his report at the Twentieth Party Congress. There is the soloist offended starling Khrushchev.

Stalin poorly led the army, Stalin developed operations around the globe. How can you believe it? But not a historian will believe, millions and believed. Khrushchev had a deep personal resentment towards Stalin because of his eldest son, Leonid, who was killed at the front.

Where did you die, how did you die? Nobody told us about it. But some comrades officially wrote that he was killed in a partisan detachment, shot him for having flown to the Germans. No matter how much they looked for, where the plane, which was piloted by Leonid Khrushchev, could have fallen, could not find anything anywhere. But where did this plane go? They could not but know where he flew, with what task. Where they fell, they did not find anything, and so far nobody knows anything.

Khrushchev turned to Stalin: save his son. And he asked him: "Do you, as a father, address me or as a member of the Politburo?"

- Like father, comrade Stalin.

- What will I tell other fathers?

This information is reliable, being the Minister of Defense, I read interesting documents.

Yeltsin

Why did Yeltsin, secretary of the Sverdlovsk regional party committee, suddenly become the leader? His main driving force was resentment. Gorbachev needed to understand this. The secretary of the Moscow city committee of the party, the head of the largest party organization, goes to political bureau candidates, and Alexander Yakovlev walks in political bureau members. It was a shame to him, it was noticeable. I sat with him at all receptions nearby.

Here he is, when Gorbachev began to say that we are doing this and that - he said: you do not do anything! Poorly said about everything that is being done. The whole bouza started with this.

It all starts with personal insults, with some inner ambitions, we have a nesting box in our souls, and like starlings they get drunk and go out.

Special communication with briefcase

Say, I have a wooden chair, uncomfortable, with a low back. Normal stool. I am a Siberian, accustomed to be content with little. In my childhood the most formal shirt was sewn from a waffle towel.

As Mayakovsky said: I like my wife, and that is utterly pleased. What does this give, wealth?

People who have become rich for no reason at the expense of the property of others, state property, state land — they are empty inside. Here he goes - the navel of the earth. Who is he? Tomorrow, change the power, as in the "Wedding in Robin", these assignments will change the budenovka to something else. How can a person make a billion? For me, this is space.

He has to assign something. Or other people's wealth, or someone else's work. You say communism is not authoritative. Has anything changed? As the capitalists appropriated the labor of others, they appropriated it. What did Marx call it? Surplus value.

When I was the USSR Minister of Defense, I didn’t want to have security, I didn’t need a ZIL car either. But it is impossible without it, only the "ZIL" was equipped with a special connection, I’ll go for the mushrooms, and a special connection officer with a briefcase follows me. Humanly, this was painful for me, but the post required me.

I have our 11 orders on my tunic, 20 medals, about a dozen foreign orders. They are physically hard to wear, I don’t go anywhere with orders, only at parades when I went, I was in orders. And so I never even pull my tunic out of the closet. I only put on a marshal's star, that's all.

What is the pension of the Marshal of the Soviet Union? - 60 thousand. We live together with my wife, we have enough


Misconception time

Do I have people who will not give up? There is. Those who have changed the country. Pasha Grachev not filed. He had a lot on cynicism. Today is some kind of rukopodavodimoe.

Understand that the Emergency Committee introduced the troops not for some victory over some people, but was introduced just to protect the university, the water utility, Gokhran. The situation in the country was awful - the army had nothing to pay. All those on the state budget should have raised their paws. That's what all went. And we went to Gorbachev to impose a state of emergency in order to bring everything back to normal. But he did not accept us, he thought that America would give money. In giveaway, he played with America, in giveaway. They need to ensure that we do not have missiles. What are Americans afraid of? That we will launch missiles on them. Everything. And more they are not afraid.

Do you know why the GKChP lost? Honestly, because it was necessary to work with the people. And they thought that Tanks entered and all.

My conscience is clear, I did not bother before my people, although I had, so to speak, an opportunity. Forces were with us. I was offered to take all the airfields by airborne troops. It was worth nothing to give the command, and all. But what would it lead to? Only to blood. In the name of what? For the fact that I feel sorry for my own skin?

I never treasured it. You have to be above your ambitions. It is sometimes difficult, but possible. Believe me.

What did I feel after the arrest? Yesterday, the nuclear briefcase of the largest country in the world was in the hands, and today it is a prison cell. Do not want to talk. Everything is experienced already. Got sick. Most worried about the old mother, she was then 88 years. The rest of my loved ones were all younger, and therefore stronger.

About pensions and rags

What is the pension of the Marshal of the Soviet Union?

Approximately 60 thousand. We live together with my wife, enough.

I once had a luxurious apartment, I lived near Gorbachev, he was on the 4 floor, I was on the 3 floor. The apartment is large, beautiful, one dining room 80 square. meters, 5 rooms. In the 1991 year, as soon as they put me in, they came to my wife and asked to vacate the apartment, and Gorbachev divided his apartment into two parts — my daughter and granddaughters arranged apartments.

When I was in prison, Luzhkov gave my wife an 3-room apartment, and we live in it. Everyone is happy.

My life is coming to 90 years, but I still do not understand why a man needs all these rags and precious stones. We become slaves of all this.

"The moment will come, we will rush away without a trace"

Where does my love for poetry come from? I was always drawn to knowledge, to education. It can be seen from the fact that he lost all this in his childhood. I read Pushkin, Lermontov, Mayakovsky.

Once a single birthday was celebrated for one person, on which Vasya Lanovoy read Pushkin, brilliantly read. Then he says, oh, I can't continue, I forgot. And I continued to read indiscriminately, from Rousseau to Manzoni.

Even today I can tell Lermontov's "Masquerade".

I love the poem "Who Lives Well in Russia" - there is simply folk music "Oh, the shadows, the shadows are black, whoever you catch up with, whoever you overtake, but only blackshadows cannot be caught-hugged." This is the soul of our people.

Happiness? This is a moment, a moment. There is no rose without thorns that thirsted for the heart ... an hour will come, we rush off without a trace.

I never learned to believe in God. My mother was a believer, all the time praying to God. The first husband died - her sister dies here. There are four of us, and there are four of them. She became a mother to everyone, she carried everything on herself. All the time misfortunes fell on her, and she prayed all the time, then she stopped praying and told me that there was no God.

Friend?

A true friend of mine was my first wife. I could share everything with her. So it came together that she became both a wife and a friend. A friend in the full sense of the word happens in life once or not at all.

I haven't been dreaming about anything for a long time. Like everyone, health want to not be a burden to anyone. 90 turns me on that year. On the one, not on this one, as the journalists wrote. Apparently, they wanted to speak loudly, otherwise the old man would not live.

Tears?

I only cry for joy. I can see something beautiful and cry. And do not hesitate about it. After all, crying with joy is much better than weakness.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 7 December 2013 07: 28
    54
    the last Marshal ... life to the Motherland, Honor to nobody ... soldier
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 7 December 2013 07: 40
      38
      A worthy man. The only thing, the rigidity was not enough for him.
      1. Civil
        Civil 7 December 2013 08: 53
        24
        When I was the Minister of Defense of the USSR, I didn’t want to have a guard, I didn’t need a ZIL car either. But it is impossible without it, only "ZIL" was equipped with special communications,


        Eh, Marshal, look at your "colleague" Serdyukov, he has Mercedes, dachas, apartments ... and you mean the unhappy ZIL
        1. A.YARY
          A.YARY 7 December 2013 10: 31
          30
          looks life not just in the eyes - in the pupils.

          Because there is no reason to look away.
          Because he doesn’t have
          Mercedes, cottages, apartments ...

          Because he is the marshal of the USSR
          1. A.YARY
            A.YARY 7 December 2013 11: 46
            21
            PySy

            YOU CAN BE HAPPY ON IT - "... if there is no reason, this is already a reason!" - BUT, I WILL NOT EXCHANGE ONE PIT FOR HUNDRED Sir Dukov !!!
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        3. bevatec
          bevatec 7 December 2013 19: 00
          +1
          Not "you", brat - "YOU".
        4. Vladimir 5
          Vladimir 5 2 October 2018 11: 03
          0
          Serdyukov, a conscript soldier from the head of a furniture store, at the end was appointed the Minister of Defense (for what purpose - the collapse of the SA and the destruction of the patriotic officer corps), Dmitry Timofeevich Yazov went through the war as an officer, rose to the job ranks knew all the ins and outs of the army ... Here he blundered Marshal, allowed the collapse and plunder of the state, and, should have influenced the course of events in the Russian Federation, because the marshal of all the Russian Armed Forces was .- .. here it’s not enough to be a good and honest military, you need to be a strategist, which was missing the last galaxy of SA marshals USSR., Did not mention that Pavel Grachev was a brother-in-law to B.N. Yeltsin and served him personally, and not the Country .......
        5. volot-voin
          volot-voin 2 October 2018 14: 11
          0
          Quote: Civil
          Eh, Marshal, look at your "colleague" Serdyukov, he has Mercedes, dachas, apartments ... and you mean the unhappy ZIL

          Such a worthy person with an interesting and difficult fate. It is unfortunate that the GKChP lost, together with them the whole country. The putsch was stupidly organized, and with a bet on the country's main traitor, who should have been arrested first.
      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco 7 December 2013 09: 18
        15
        Quote: bomg.77
        A worthy man. The only thing, the rigidity was not enough for him.

        I don’t remember who said it, but I heard such a phrase while a sword hangs over our neck, until then there will be order. Well, with the advent of Gorbi, democracy came, the sword was removed. Today I listened on TV to Gorbachev’s speech about the death of Nelson Mandela, and so there is a huge gap between the two leaders, Gorbi has scoured the country, and Nelson Mandela created. So the humpback is not Mandela’s friend, but the wolves are gray. angry
        1. clidon
          clidon 7 December 2013 10: 09
          +6
          Sorry, I will not raise the topic of Gormbachev, but what did Nelson Mandela create there?
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco 7 December 2013 12: 07
            +4
            Quote: clidon
            but what did Nelson Mandela create there?

            Do not jerk. His main merit is the destruction of apartheid, (that is, separation, work, etc.) medicine, education, etc. In the 90s, he did not allow the development of a civil war on a racial basis, thereby preserving the civilian world, and created South Africa in a new form. Well, Gorbachev did the opposite. What else would you like to know ????)))))) You would not be lazy, google next time.
            1. clidon
              clidon 7 December 2013 12: 28
              +9
              Well yes, is it called the New State? That which now creeps on an economic belly and blacks at times to cut each other? Well, yes, South Africa, now does not claim to be anything. Becomes a normal black country.
              Therefore, I agree with one thing - Mandela did not give blacks joy to kill each other and cut all the whites.
            2. Tra-ta-ta
              Tra-ta-ta 7 December 2013 22: 38
              +5
              ..not fact. All the prosperity of South Africa rests on the white population and their business. The level of life of the black / brown majority "falls short" ... In no country have I seen so many “thorn” fences in the city.
              1. abdrah
                abdrah 8 December 2013 15: 30
                +1
                "All the prosperity of South Africa rests on the white population and their business." - I support you 500%: the highest standard of living in the world for a white man was in South Africa, and Mandela, a Negro thief in law, served more than 20 years in a camp and became president. The result of the presidency is the biggest crime and not the standard of living. A Negro, who would not prove the opposite is destructive by nature and will work only from under the stick or in case of extreme need.
                Therefore, if drooling about human rights, etc., the abolition of the apartheid regime was a huge step backwards for South Africa.
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 7 December 2013 20: 17
          +3
          Quote: Sirocco
          Gorby tanned the country, and Nelson Mandela created

          M.S. Gorbachev did not prosral, but surrendered the USSR to Yeltsin. Gorby 1984-1991 is a Kerensky sample of 1917.
          Mandela (what a consonance!) Did not create anything. Fell on ready-made, like the "democrats" of the Russians. Even though oil and gas keep us afloat, the democratic South Africa is kept by gold and diamonds. The USSR was gone - the support of the "national liberation movement" and South Africa with the notorious "apartheid" regime became unnecessary for the holders of the trump card, and therefore the white racists were kicked to the sidelines, and the prisoner of conscience became the president. How cute! The civilized world applauds!
      3. Lindon
        Lindon 7 December 2013 11: 18
        10
        Quote: bomg.77
        A worthy man. The only thing, the rigidity was not enough for him.


        He lacked wisdom. He believed in Gorbachev to the last. Even in his memoirs he regrets him - they say that "naive" believed in good Americans.
        Gorbachev personally broadcast all the dogs to him - it was Yazov who gave the team a shot at the people, it was the paratroopers who arrived late, etc.
        How many republics rose? There weren’t enough troops — all students of the KGB universities were abandoned either in Baku, Tbilisi, or Osh — the whole USSR traveled around to shut up the people. Any sane person would understand for a long time that they are leading the country in the wrong way.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 7 December 2013 11: 45
          +4
          Quote: Lindon
          Any sane - I would have understood for a long time that they were leading the country in the wrong way.

          a good soldier was ... but a bad politician .... and if you hold the post of Minister of Defense, he must also be a politician hi
      4. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 7 December 2013 17: 05
        +5
        He just as a patriot could not shoot his own people, he is a military man and not a politician, because he lost to them, but we are reaping the fruits of his loss, which, in other things, does not negate the fact that he is a worthy person.
      5. KALININGRAD
        KALININGRAD 7 December 2013 17: 26
        -25 qualifying.
        He lived near Gorbach. Ha. A coward he is not a marshal
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        2. aviamed90
          aviamed90 7 December 2013 17: 33
          +3
          KALININGRAD

          And you were not in the world at the time of "Gorbach", or what?
          You did not live with him?
          Or did they live?

          And apparently distinguished by desperate courage?
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 8 December 2013 09: 57
            +2
            Quote: aviamed90
            KALININGRAD

            And you were not in the world at the time of "Gorbach", or what?
            You did not live with him?
            Or did they live?

            And apparently distinguished by desperate courage?

            You confuse soft with warm! Vanka-platoon in the barracks and the Minister of Defense at which the apparatus of the Ministry of Defense, General Staff with the GRU, intelligence. structures in military districts, etc., and information is flowing from everywhere that the country is being slaughtered. Based on the criminal actions (inaction) of this character, he is either an accomplice of a hunchback or an accomplice. But in any case, this is treason to the motherland in the form of a transition to the side of the enemy. And therefore, I do not care deeply for his past merits, to the same extent as I do not care for the merits of Vlasov, Gordievsky, Kalugin, and Rezun who they had at one time, but were canceled due to treason. The cutters, ulcers, and hairy ones have one merit - a loop on the neck or an ice ax in the crown.
            The article he wrote musky cord, philosophizes Judas. am He had time to philosophize, but instead he poured Armenian cognac into his throat and squeezed sandwiches with caviar, and also destroyed the country where he took the oath and the Army was led at the head.
      6. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 7 December 2013 21: 16
        +5
        he was smart enough not to pour blood into the country, which in this scenario would have come a "northern fur animal", Russia and is strong by such men who think for Russia, not for power ... so let Comrade Marshal, do not have doubts, You did everything according to your conscience ... as best you could ...
      7. Tra-ta-ta
        Tra-ta-ta 7 December 2013 22: 19
        +3
        A worthy man. The only thing, the rigidity was not enough for him.
        ..in the army, the respected Marshal had a nickname - "photographer" (arrived / took pictures)! And you are talking about the lack of rigidity .. Maybe you wanted to say "cruelty"?
    2. Hudo
      Hudo 7 December 2013 08: 08
      18
      Not so simple. You can say for a long time, you know what kind of guy he was(c). But those who happened to live and serve in the late 80-90s, will be able to recall a few other things.
      So for example Yazov D.T. became Minister of Defense as a general in the army, with marshals of the Soviet Union and marshals of the armed forces.
      It was with him that the army was mixed with shit by various larvae of the liberals, the armies spat in the face of foreign mercenaries with USSR passports.
      It was under him that the Army was deliberately discredited in Sumgait, Tbilisi, Vilnius ..... and with his own knowledge.
      It was with him that Rust flew. There was a purge of the highest command staff of the USSR Armed Forces from those who are able to withstand the collapse of the USSR.
      You can go on for a long time, but the ending was the order of this uncle on August 19, 1991 - "Do not succumb to provocations" and "Increase vigilance", while bringing troops to the streets of Moscow without a clearly formulated task for them. Instead, together with the KGB forces of intelligence units and teams formed from officers, calmly catch the larvae of liberalism and crush them with a tarpaulin boot.
      The efforts did not give in - we all know the result!
      That’s why the Yanaev’s hands were shaking — suddenly, which of the district commanders would be truly vigilant and the entire Gorbachev-Yanaev shed on August 19, 1991 would be blown away like a holey condom.

      You can blame me, but this uncle from the Gorbachev deck is a diamond of six.
      1. 222222
        222222 7 December 2013 08: 20
        0
        Hudo (1) SU Today, 08:08 a.m. ↑
        hunchback: "I gave birth to you, I will kill you"
        That's right. He raised his troops and threw .. without commands .... And now, in old age, let a tear .. for the story ..
      2. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq 7 December 2013 08: 47
        0
        Quote: Hudo
        You can blame me, but this uncle from the Gorbachev deck is a diamond of six

        Yeah, my opinion is the same ....
      3. Stinger
        Stinger 7 December 2013 09: 24
        +9
        It was with him that Rust flew.
        The Minister was Marshal of the Soviet Union S.L.Sokolov, for which he was removed from office by Gorbachev and Yazov was appointed instead.
        And about the mat, so rude and virtuoso of it, none of the ministers cursed.
        1. 222222
          222222 7 December 2013 10: 16
          +3
          Stinger SU Today, 09:24 ↑
          about the swearing, none of the ministers swore so coarsely and more virtuoso than him. ".. and often not on business ...
          "Anyone can offend the midshipman !!!"
        2. svp67
          svp67 7 December 2013 10: 21
          +3
          Quote: Stinger
          And about the mat, so rude and virtuoso of it, none of the ministers cursed.

          You would have to listen to Serdyukov, he was not ashamed of swearing at anyone and no one, including at the Military Councils ...
        3. Walking
          Walking 7 December 2013 23: 29
          0
          He cursed well, he heard it himself.
      4. crbvbyjr
        crbvbyjr 7 December 2013 09: 58
        +7
        I completely agree with my comrade. I would have been able to save the country. I would have shed blood anyway less than I spilled.
        1. S-200
          S-200 7 December 2013 11: 07
          -6
          Quote: crbvbyjr
          I completely agree with my comrade. I would be faithful to the oath I could save the country. I would shed blood anyway less than I spilled.

          In peacetime, the CPSU carried out a "genetic" selection of the leading personnel of the Ministry of Defense.
          If you noticed, then Yazov was "broken" at the beginning of his officer career - by public execution of the lieutenant ....
          Further, he was only an indiscriminate executor of the will of a superior chief. (As the Oath demanded)
          He had never had much choice in his military career ....
          Either you obey the system at the level of the reflex, or - the system throws you away (destroys) ...
          To independently make crucial decisions for the country (under the Emergency Committee) Yazov reflexively was NOT ABLE ...
          Even the weak Yeltsin’s opposition put GKChPistov into an intellectual stupor ...
          1. stranik72
            stranik72 7 December 2013 16: 22
            +5
            To go through the whole war on the front line from "Vanka platoon" in 1942 to the battalion commander, in my opinion, without showing the initiative, and at the same time staying alive is NOT POSSIBLE. So what about the unquestioning performer, it's not about him.
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 8 December 2013 10: 02
              +1
              Quote: stranik72
              To go through the whole war on the front line from "Vanka platoon" in 1942 to the battalion commander, in my opinion, without showing the initiative, and at the same time staying alive is NOT POSSIBLE. So what about the unquestioning performer, it's not about him.

              This is in the past, it was floated like a bullet at the end. Apparently on something he was recruited and carried out enemy instructions for the collapse of the country which he swore. The traitor of the Motherland remained in the dry residue - to tear off the awards, remove the uniform of the Marshal of the Soviet Union, put on used second-hand camouflage of the Pndosovsky type and stick an ice ax in Jude into the crown.
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          3. Debryansk
            Debryansk 7 December 2013 20: 45
            0
            [quote = S-200] [quote = crbvbyjr]
            In peacetime, the CPSU carried out a "genetic" selection of the leading personnel of the Ministry of Defense.
            If you noticed, then Yazov was "broken" at the beginning of his officer career - by public execution of the lieutenant ....
      5. predator.3
        predator.3 7 December 2013 10: 02
        +7
        Quote: Hudo
        It was with him that Rust flew.

        Rust actually flew under Sokolov, for which he was removed.
      6. ImPerts
        ImPerts 7 December 2013 10: 08
        14
        Rust landed under Sokolov, who became minister after Ustinov’s death. As I later realized, Gorbachev was afraid of Sokolov and found a reason for his removal.
        Yazov already had less political weight than Sokolov, hence the problems.
        And in 1991, in the foreground, to solo, so to speak, were Pugo and Kryuchkov. Our army, unlike other armies, never seized power. I have the least complaints about Yazov.
        1. DimychDV
          DimychDV 7 December 2013 23: 58
          +1
          Yes, he put most of the equipment under our roofs in KDVO - he built warehouses of oil refineries by all means in the mid-80s. And the South Korean plane was shot down with him.

          The people and the army turned out to be united in one thing: they did not believe those idiots-politicians who "did not send you to Afghanistan", who were even ashamed to meet the army from there, who sent the army to extinguish internal conflicts, and then rejected - we, they say, did not gave. And for this power to stand as a wall? Yes, you all go to the forest !!!
          And Yazov really didn’t have enough political initiative - but we don’t have a banana republic, where the operetta generals on tanks seize the presidential palaces. Both the army and the KGB are just tools. Hearing and hands with a dubai. But there was no insurance system in the country - how to keep power itself faithful to its people, how to steal possible tools from treacherous hands?
          Enemies whispered to the people of power: - And aren't you tired of choking on the doors of your office apartments with a scarce cervelat from special distributors? Sell ​​your country - and you will have everything!
          They did so. And the same comfort now became available to them that any American hard worker could afford after a year of self-restraint.
      7. alone
        alone 7 December 2013 11: 45
        +1
        Quote: Hudo
        It was under him that the Army was deliberately discredited in Sumgait, Tbilisi, Vilnius

        not in Sumgait, but in Baku.
      8. pavlo
        pavlo 7 December 2013 12: 14
        0
        DO NOT drive the blizzard-Rust flew on May 28, and Yazov was appointed Minister of Defense on May 30!
      9. berimor
        berimor 7 December 2013 14: 06
        +2
        "It was with him that Rust flew by."
        Rust did not fly under Yazov, but under Sokolov, who was replaced by Yazov!
      10. aviamed90
        aviamed90 7 December 2013 15: 39
        +5
        Hudo

        You messed up something, dear!

        Rust sat in Moscow on 28 on May 1987. Sokolov was the Minister of Defense at that time.
        And Yazov at that time was only the chief of the State Defense Ministry, the deputy defense department for personnel, and before that - the commander of the troops of the Far Eastern Federal District.

        You write:
        "but this uncle from Gorbachev's deck is a six of diamonds"

        If he was a "six", he would not take part in the Emergency Committee.

        If you accuse a person of something, then you must at least do it with reason.
        Maybe he is not an angel. And not even an angel at all. The Minister of Defense does not have to be an angel.
        But why attribute it to him?
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 8 December 2013 10: 10
          +1
          Quote: aviamed90
          If he was a "six", he would not take part in the Emergency Committee.


          Remind me what happened after August 21, 1991, since your memory is weak? I remind you!
          After August 21, all those who actively supported the State Emergency Committee up to and including the battalion commander were hastily removed from their posts, and those who were removed from their posts were replaced by people selected according to the principle: the worse, the better. But the GKChP in reality turned out to be a dummy for one simple reason - to play the role of a lantern in the light of which butterflies will fly off. They identified command personnel loyal to the Soviet Union, dismissed, trampled into the mud - on that GKChP fulfilled its function of the collapse of the USSR, and it did not have other tasks.
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          2. aviamed90
            aviamed90 8 December 2013 11: 18
            0
            Hudo

            Of course they took it off.

            And what does this have to do with Yazov’s actions in the Emergency Committee?
            Was he forcing someone to support the GKChP?
            And the purge is the response of the authorities.
            Yazov, what is to blame?
            That one of the officers supported him? The fact that he had like-minded people?

            In such situations, everyone decides which side to take.
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 8 December 2013 11: 25
              0
              Quote: aviamed90
              Of course they took it off.

              And what does this have to do with Yazov’s actions in the Emergency Committee?

              The most immediate thing. The GKChP was a dummy created solely to identify and discredit these generals and senior officers devoted to their homeland through liberaloid gateways.

              Quote: aviamed90
              Yazov, what is to blame?
              That one of the officers supported him?


              They didn’t support him - they stood up for the scolded Motherland, but a traitor to ulcers consciously played the role of a chamber hen provocateur.
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                1. Hudo
                  Hudo 8 December 2013 12: 12
                  0
                  Quote: aviamed90
                  Do you think that the GKChP was organized by Gorbachev?

                  No, his masters.
                  Quote: aviamed90
                  That is, it was a provocation?

                  Undoubtedly!
                  Quote: aviamed90
                  On the basis of what facts is this conclusion made?

                  According to the results, dear, according to the results.
                  Quote: aviamed90
                  You do not admit that the opposition can be independent in its decisions and have an independent opinion on the situation in the country?

                  Any oppo - the subject of the efforts of the enemy special services, and given the love of money of these ...
                  Quote: aviamed90
                  Or is Gorbachev so smart that he has calculated these scenarios? And if everyone supported the Emergency Committee? What then?
                  Why didn't the "smart" Gorbachev show his exceptional mental abilities in relations with the United States and Europe?

                  Tagged bear - zits-chairman Pound from the "Golden Calf" and was not eliminated only because his name was too much for everyone. He understands this and therefore keeps quiet.
                  Quote: aviamed90
                  But Yazov’s position in the State Emergency Committee is his personal position. He also has a right to it. And therefore, his accusation of provocation is not viable.

                  PERSONAL ??? !!! am But there must be a state! Do you say the accusation is untenable? T.E. Yazov did not know and did not understand what he was doing? Is this with his knowledge of the position laid by him? lol All the "activities" of the GKChP boiled down to companionship and showing of "Swan Lake", and at the same time, certainty was expected in the troops - that is, on the basis of an order from Moscow, the commanders of the districts would simply have to declare - citizens remain calm, everything is under control, attempts to destabilize the situation by pro-Western agents will be strictly suppressed. At the same time, the forces of intelligence units and groups formed from officers, quietly, together with the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KGB, quietly warm up the democrats and their Western curators. And that's it, no blood.

                  Quote: aviamed90
                  What, in your opinion, should have been done by an honest marshal, loving his homeland and fulfilling his oath?


                  If you have already caught on something unsightly (fraud, tsatski bruliki, Sodom sin, etc.) and you are clearly recruiting for what purpose, and realizing the consequences of your betrayal - a gun with one cartridge. But it turned out to be a little liquid. Fought say hero? So then everyone fought, when it’s not easy for you to be a hero, but when the time came for you to make the decision yourself - zilch and the hero was blown away. She writes articles, brains herself, flaunts in a marshal's uniform and this is knowing the bloody consequences of his criminal acts. Indeed, the man was in fact.
              2. aviamed90
                aviamed90 8 December 2013 11: 46
                0
                Hudo

                Do you think that the GKChP was organized by Gorbachev?
                That is, it was a provocation?
                On the basis of what facts is this conclusion made?

                Always and at all times there have been supporters of the authorities' actions and their opponents. And the opponents of power are not always "Jews".
                You do not admit that the opposition can be independent in its decisions and have an independent opinion on the situation in the country?

                Or is Gorbachev so smart that he has calculated these scenarios? And if everyone supported the Emergency Committee? What then?
                Why didn't the "smart" Gorbachev show his exceptional mental abilities in relations with the United States and Europe?

                Yes. The officers did not personally support Yazov. I agree.
                But Yazov’s position in the State Emergency Committee is his personal position. He also has a right to it. And therefore, his accusation of provocation is not viable.
                After all, he also lost his post with all the ensuing consequences. Or was it fun?

                Put yourself in his place.
                WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

                What, in your opinion, should have been done by an honest marshal (not a politician) at the post of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR, loving his Motherland and fulfilling the oath given to her?
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  2. Neighbor
    Neighbor 7 December 2013 07: 29
    -1
    This is a real Man !!!
  3. George
    George 7 December 2013 08: 01
    +6
    Khrushchev ... I still keep his report at the Twentieth Party Congress. There is the soloist offended starling Khrushchev.

    It all starts with personal insults, with some inner ambitions, we have a nesting box in our souls, and like starlings they get drunk and go out.

    On the "horn" would be in theirs birdhouses. They are offended.
  4. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 7 December 2013 08: 20
    +8
    A simple honest man ... but with a sly one, however, he doesn’t agree a lot .. but history will say its word
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    2. aviamed90
      aviamed90 7 December 2013 16: 27
      +5
      plotnikov561956

      Of course does not finish!

      That's why he is the Minister of Defense. Who would have put him on this post if he had not been in this "gadyushnik"?
      But Uncle Gorbi miscalculated. Man assumes, but God disposes. And Yazov worthily out of the situation in which he fell.

      And the loss of all privileges (high office, wealth, etc.) did not frighten him. Not everyone is capable of it. For this alone, he can be respected.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 8 December 2013 10: 13
        -1
        Quote: aviamed90
        And the loss of all privileges (high office, wealth, etc.) did not frighten him. Not everyone is capable of it. For this alone, he can be respected.


        And why should he be scared, the bastard sits philosophizing and receives his pension of 30 pieces of silver.
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        2. aviamed90
          aviamed90 8 December 2013 10: 41
          0
          Hudo

          Do you think that the pension in 60 thousand rubles. (and for the 90-x period much less) - a full replacement for the well-being of the minister?

          By the way, Gorbachev (to this day) and Grachev (until his death) also did not refuse pension.

          You will not tell - for what merits it is put to these gentlemen?

          So where did Marshal Yazov's "disgusting" manifest itself? Specifically?
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 8 December 2013 10: 51
            -1
            Quote: aviamed90

            So where did Marshal Yazov's "disgusting" manifest itself? Specifically?

            Above, I answered you in my comment Today, 10: 10. Everything is clear and accessible there.
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            2. aviamed90
              aviamed90 8 December 2013 11: 12
              0
              Hudo

              Yes, but I also expressed my opinion on this thread, different from yours.

              Which of us is closer to the truth?
              1. Hudo
                Hudo 8 December 2013 11: 30
                0
                Quote: aviamed90
                Hudo

                Yes, but I also expressed my opinion on this thread, different from yours.

                Which of us is closer to the truth?


                Judge by the results - the Emergency Committee turned out to be a decoy duck created to identify and neutralize the patriots of their homeland and could not know this ulcer IT IS FACT! The Minister of Defense of Yazov, as a person who consciously betrayed his homeland and changed the oath, is a bastard and a scoundrel worthy of a gallows or an ice ax.
  5. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 7 December 2013 08: 50
    +4
    People who have become rich for no reason at the expense of the property of others, state property, state land — they are empty inside. Here he goes - the navel of the earth. Who is he? Tomorrow, change the power, as in the "Wedding in Robin", these assignments will change the budenovka to something else. How can a person make a billion? For me, this is space.


    Do I have people who will not give up? There is. Those who have changed the country. Pasha Grachev not filed. He had a lot on cynicism. Today is some kind of rukopodavodimoe.
    Understand that the Emergency Committee introduced the troops not for some victory over some people, but was introduced just to protect the university, the water utility, Gokhran. The situation in the country was awful - the army had nothing to pay. All those on the state budget should have raised their paws. That's what all went. And we went to Gorbachev to impose a state of emergency in order to bring everything back to normal. But he did not accept us, he thought that America would give money. In giveaway, he played with America, in giveaway. They need to ensure that we do not have missiles. What are Americans afraid of? That we will launch missiles on them. Everything. And more they are not afraid.

    Real Man, Good Health to him. Lives and does not creep in front of anyone with a clear mind.
  6. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 7 December 2013 08: 53
    +4
    Quote: plotnikov561956
    A simple honest man ... but with a sly one, however, he does not negotiate much.

    A normal Russian man, the apparent simplicity of some, and bribed, yeah. wink
    1. shilotkachv
      shilotkachv 9 March 2016 15: 09
      +1
      I agree with you, the marshal clearly does not understand what he says, his role as Minister of Defense. You Dmitry Timofeevich prosralized the USSR, you were afraid of blood, and the Chinese in Tien Anmen Square were not afraid. You just believed Gorbatom, you could not see your brains and you did not know the oath and did not fulfill. The fact that they ended up in prison is like a loser, then the truth was written a letter of mercy, the demon seemed to be beguiling you. So you must be judged along with Gorbachev and accomplices for the fact that you pissed off the USSR, by the way and by obscenities, in vain you are so, we know how you cursed and what kind of cad were.
  7. svp67
    svp67 7 December 2013 09: 01
    +5
    Iron grandfather ...
    1. S-200
      S-200 7 December 2013 11: 24
      +1
      hi
      Sergey, welcome!
      I expressed my opinion about Yazov a little higher ... somewhat different from yours request
    2. Pushkar
      Pushkar 7 December 2013 11: 29
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      Iron grandfather ...
      This "iron grandfather" was the first to begin the rout of the Soviet Army. He started with the Air Defense Forces of the Country. The first wave of 1987-88 - at least a third of the officers of this service, the most experienced, with 15-20 years of service. Sly courtier.
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 7 December 2013 16: 31
        +5
        Pushkar

        "This" iron grandfather "was the first to begin the rout of the Soviet Army."

        "D.T. Yazov became minister of defense at a difficult time for the country and the army, when M.S. Gorbachev made political decisions to reduce nuclear weapons. He, like most of the country's top military leadership, did not agree so that the reduction should be carried out at such a pace and in such a wide range. Also was forced to comply with the decision to reduce the army, prepare the withdrawal of groups of Soviet troops from the territory of foreign states (GSVG, TsGV, YUGV, SVG, GSVM). "(VKP).

        Therefore, in the end, he joined the GKChP.
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  8. BBM
    BBM 7 December 2013 09: 33
    -13 qualifying.
    a rotten man, instead of Khrushchev, would have better remembered himself with a swollen face and shaking hands at a press conference. After these hands, it became clear to all sane people that with the Union "everything"
    1. svp67
      svp67 7 December 2013 10: 08
      +9
      Quote: BBM
      a rotten person, instead of Khrushchev, would rather remember himself with a swollen face and shaking hands at a press conference

      You there, with your "European integration", have already completely moved out of "gulzdu" ...
      Here is a photo of the press conference, indicate where is Yazov, with
      swollen face and shaking hands

      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 7 December 2013 10: 16
        +3
        "+"
        You can’t prove them.
        They already had a well-fed life in the European Union, and an unforeseen moment appeared and frightened all raspberries wink
        http://an.crimea.ua/page/interview/52950/
        "... The Customs Union is not going anywhere. That's all: it was created, it makes a profit, and now it will be. And if Ukraine makes the" European choice "- it simply will not. You need to understand: Ukraine is not offered membership in the European Union, as it has collapsed Bulgaria, Romania and the Baltic states - they are only offered an "association" with the European Union. The association has nothing to do with democracy, human rights, or welfare. "
      2. S-200
        S-200 7 December 2013 11: 34
        +3
        it was - Genek Yanaev .... I remember perfectly, his CLfucker drunkards and shaking hands!
  9. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 7 December 2013 09: 59
    +6
    Quote: Bomg.77 A decent man. The only one, the rigidity was not enough for him.
    He served in the army when D.T.Yazov was Minister of Defense. He held the army in hard gloves. Inadvertently, we, young officers, decoded his name like this: I'll make the officers sweat.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 7 December 2013 10: 40
      +3
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      I'll make the officers sweat.
      .He had been preparing all his life to fight with the enemy, but did not expect that his compatriots would be the enemy, so he was confused.
  10. july
    july 7 December 2013 10: 19
    +1
    As far as I understand, this is not a confession, but an interview, of course, many nuances are hidden and unsubstantiated, much will not be affected, this person served in the system and was its executor, God is his judge, where he could have done, but didn’t, and what was superfluous, but I still like that already upon leaving the system he has such points of view and that he did not lose his soul, as it seems to me. Each of us made mistakes in life, for which he could then bite his elbows, look good and evaluate after long periods, and immediately make decisions? What is it when your decision is required and it is not clear what will lead to? It seems to me that he more than many feels the burden of accomplishments and mistakes, although it may not be completely understood by them himself.
  11. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 7 December 2013 10: 30
    15
    "Khrushchev turned to Stalin: save your son. And he asks him:" Are you addressing me as a father or as a member of the Politburo? "

    - Like father, comrade Stalin.

    - What will I tell other fathers?
    Somewhat off topic, but ... It didn’t occur to Stalin to stand out from the people. He felt like a sovereign - a measure of values ​​for his people, for his people. He simply stood in the front row, from the very edge, so that everyone would be equal to him, but he would not leave the line and take a step. And he checked himself all the time - what will I answer when the PEOPLE asks me? For every decision I make? Democracy, say? Oh well...
  12. VADEL
    VADEL 7 December 2013 11: 08
    +6
    The grandfather passed a difficult life journey. You won’t be nice for everyone, much less in marshal uniforms. Bow to him.
  13. chenia
    chenia 7 December 2013 11: 25
    +9
    Double feelings. If Varenikov were a minister, then it could have been otherwise.

    Demanding, when after TsGV adopted KSAVO, the level of combat training with us has risen by an order.

    But he didn’t swear about obscenities, because he had already forgotten a little. Moreover, this plan was a terrible boor, to call out the generals in the presence of subordinates in the last words, his company number.

    I remember a meeting of division officers - 8 guards. FGM (from the company commander and above) in Kaitash, and in the presence of a mass of officers obscenities and with the last words fell on the commander. We were shocked, and there was a desire to get up and go.
    1. BBM
      BBM 7 December 2013 12: 58
      +1
      Quote: chenia

      I remember a meeting of division officers - 8 guards. FGM (from the company commander and above) in Kaitash, and in the presence of a mass of officers obscenities and with the last words fell on the commander. We had a shock, and there was a desire to get up and get out

      your words show very well what kind of person he was. Hypocrite. Instead of holding the answer for his personal actions, he turns the arrows to Khrushchev.
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    3. aviamed90
      aviamed90 7 December 2013 16: 36
      0
      chenia

      "and in the presence of a mass of officers swearing and with the last words fell on the division commander"

      So maybe that commander deserves it?
      1. Walking
        Walking 7 December 2013 23: 37
        +2
        He deserved it, he didn’t deserve it, you can’t swear at their superiors with subordinates, this undermines the authority of the senior commander. If you want to say something, go to your office and express everything there. Comrade Marshal is not much inaccurate in an interview about the mat No.
        1. saxa2103
          saxa2103 8 December 2013 00: 49
          +1
          Is it Zhukov’s style, mate, rudeness, incompetence in military strategy, shifting responsibility to others, and remembered about the lost cars and apartment, but about the text of the oath? If I don’t fulfill ............... ....
  14. Aeneas
    Aeneas 7 December 2013 11: 50
    +2
    Understand that the GKChP did not send troops for any victory over any people, but was simply introduced to protect the university, water utility, GokhranMarshal doesn’t finish something. From whom to guard the university, water utility, Gokhran, where there was no protection? Ali was infa about saboteurs, saboteurs, a massive airborne assault of the Americans? .. It can be seen that Dmitry Timofeevich is a good, honest man and officer ... but he loves literature too much.
  15. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 7 December 2013 11: 58
    +1
    Far Eastern bike: I flew to the garrison by helicopter. We landed the turntable "in the back". Knee-deep snow. At the head of the group is D.T. Yazov - through the gullies, uncleaned paths past the local dumpsites, past the woodsheds to the unit. Well, then the story is silent ... I checked the garrison not from the front porch.
  16. Volozhanin
    Volozhanin 7 December 2013 13: 21
    +5
    Quote: Sirocco
    Quote: clidon
    but what did Nelson Mandela create there?

    Do not jerk. His main merit is the destruction of apartheid, (that is, separation, work, etc.) medicine, education, etc. In the 90s, he did not allow the development of a civil war on a racial basis, thereby preserving the civilian world, and created South Africa in a new form. Well, Gorbachev did the opposite. What else would you like to know ????)))))) You would not be lazy, google next time.

    As the entire subsequent history of South Africa shows, the APARTHEID WAS GOOD for the country. Now education, medicine, industry are breathing heavily, the fact that they have not yet collapsed is entirely the merit of the remaining WHITE. Find the article "South African Armed Forces: Prelude to Decay?" you will find out what stupid black savages have done with the best army on the continent. 45% of the black population are illiterate, 25% are HIV-infected (and this is according to official data), the crime rate breaks records, with whites this was not. the country was given up to be torn to pieces by vandals. White specialists from the country leave for permanent residence mainly in Geyropa and Australia, instead of organizing and ... But probably the "white man's burden" finally crushed them (((((. Even the sad fate of Rhodesia did not become apparently for them an example (((. I wanted to write all this yesterday in the topic about the death of the mandalay, but there was one mate, the moderators would not have missed it.
  17. Konstantm
    Konstantm 7 December 2013 13: 22
    0
    The last marshal. Dmitry Yazov. In 88, on his orders, he was drafted into the ranks of the USSR Armed Forces. Long life, Comrade Marshal of the Soviet Union.
  18. arnulla
    arnulla 7 December 2013 13: 28
    +1
    Notice how thoughts, worldview, attitude to history and modernity, the standards of the bad and the good, of the past and present generations are different, there is something for all of us to think about. Hard to think about ...
  19. Artillerist
    Artillerist 7 December 2013 13: 46
    +9
    When I served in the Western Military Forces in the 70th Guards. mp., 9 guards. td, 1 guards TA from 1990 to 1991, Minister of Defense Marshal Yazov D.T. flew by helicopter to my division twice. All soldiers were hidden in the woods. Military camps remained empty (only duty outfits and guards). Cursed and poked the command staff. A sort of master - Troekurov ..... He did not use authority in the troops. A lot of stories among the officers were about his greed and greed. A lot of furniture was exported from the Federal Republic of Germany, luxury goods, etc. It’s possible that not everything was exported for myself, but I gifted the right people to the Central Committee and the government.
    In general, it was similar to Gorbatom. What other characteristics are needed? Under him, it became fashionable to substitute troops and make commanders guilty of exceeding powers while pacifying civil unrest. Remember how entire airborne divisions flew to harvest potatoes, and suddenly they decided to fly to Baku, Tbilisi, Nagorno-Karabakh, the Baltic States and disperse a couple of demonstrations with sapper blades. But Gorbaty and Yazov made their eyes round, spread their arms - they say, we had nothing to do with it, and did not know anything.
    It was under Gorbat, Yazov and Shevardnadze that troops were withdrawn from Germany, Hungary, Poland and Czechoslovakia. The families took more than a million troops with equipment to an open field, where this equipment "died". I saw all this with my own eyes. For this alone, he needs to be tried, and the Court of History will sooner or later deliver its verdict. Plus the mediocre participation of the army in the Emergency Committee ....... Yes, he honestly fought in the Second World War, this cannot be taken away, and then he became what he became.

    The last Real Marshal of the Soviet Union for me is Marshal Akhromeev. He had Conscience and Honor, and he did not transgress them.
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    2. aviamed90
      aviamed90 7 December 2013 16: 01
      +4
      Artillerist

      Well yes! Perhaps you are right! I heard about that too.

      But then remember G.K. Zhukova! He, too, was fond of it after the war!
      But, however, you have no questions and complaints about it! All these things are blocked by his leadership talent.

      So why do you evaluate Yazov differently?
      What's the difference?

      And for contrast, remember the times of "Pasha-Mercedes" (P. Grachev). The scope of theft in groups of troops (WGV), behavior like a "political whore" (going over to Yeltsin's side).

      Concerning the withdrawal of troops from the GBV.

      "The peak of the unprecedented in military practice measures to eliminate the Western Group of Forces came in 1992 and 1993, that is, in the period after the collapse of the USSR." (VKP).

      And Yazov was arrested on August 22, 1991 and was in prison until December 1992 in Matrosskaya Tishina. And at the "helm" of the MO was just "Pasha".


      You write:
      "all of a sudden they themselves decided to fly to Baku, Tbilisi, Nagorno-Karabakh, the Baltic states."

      But this is a political decision, not a military one. And this is not Yazov’s decision, but order Gorbachev.
      Someone else's sins why hang on him?
  20. baku1999
    baku1999 7 December 2013 14: 28
    -1
    GOOD MAN, WITH LARGE LETTERS, SUCH ONE-TWO AND CALCULATED, AND HUMANLY IT IS POSSIBLE AND UNDERSTANDING IT, GIVE IT HIS LORD, HEALTH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  21. biznaw
    biznaw 7 December 2013 14: 34
    +1
    Akhromeev honestly looked into the eyes, therefore Gorbachev also spread rot, Akhromeev as an officer swore allegiance to the country and people and pledged to protect her to the last drop of blood, shot himself. He was shot by the despair of the inability to save the country and the betrayal of the top. Yazov is among the traitors and saboteurs.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 7 December 2013 16: 24
      -1
      You either do not understand anything, or you are pretending! You yourself are a traitor and a saboteur troll, but our "Grandfather" has more awards (real, not tsatseks) than you have buttons together with pants! Oh, human people, it is mean and just this bestiality, and to our Last Soviet Marshal of HEALTH, HEALTH and HEALTH, I also want to wish to celebrate my 90th anniversary and we will rejoice together!
      1. biznaw
        biznaw 7 December 2013 17: 27
        +2
        Commander Pavlov had more than enough merits and merits, but in spite of this he was dismissed. Shot without mercy on merit, force majeure circumstances, shot for the result. A good person is not a profession or military rank. Akhromeev is a man of the generation of winners, he himself pronounced the verdict. And Yazov, although a contemporary of those people, is in spirit a successful typical modern politician, a top manager and a good person who believes that he can honestly look into the eyes of the citizens of modern Russia, Ukraine and other republics of the USSR. God be his judge.
    2. KALININGRAD
      KALININGRAD 7 December 2013 17: 33
      0
      That's right. Yazov is a coward and a traitor. For that he receives 60 sput. Ugh
      1. wk-083
        wk-083 8 December 2013 19: 18
        -1
        Quote: KALININGRAD
        That's right. Yazov is a coward and a traitor. For that he receives 60 sput. Ugh
        Reply Q

        Close your sperm collector! Uh, yes!
  22. Kazakh
    Kazakh 7 December 2013 15: 04
    +4
    My conscience is clear, I did not bother with my people, although I had, so to speak, the opportunity. We had forces. I was offered to occupy all airfields with airborne troops. It wasn’t worth giving a command, and that’s it. But what would it lead to? Only to blood. In the name of what? For the sake of the fact that I feel sorry for my skin?
    and as a result, the handles are clean, the carrot itself, and then that blood was splashed like I’m nothing to do with it
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 7 December 2013 16: 26
      +1
      Well, it would be better to crush the people with tanks and shoot, as your Yeltsin shot the Supreme Council?
      1. biznaw
        biznaw 7 December 2013 17: 31
        +1
        They themselves answered the question which is better. Were it not for the senility of 91, there would have been no blood of the 93rd. And perhaps Yeltsin would still be alive retired in the suburbs.
      2. shilotkachv
        shilotkachv 9 March 2016 15: 13
        0
        The people who were seduced by promises, and betrayed their homeland to another and did not deserve.
  23. demotivator
    demotivator 7 December 2013 17: 08
    0
    Quote: BBM
    I'd rather remember myself with a swollen face and shaking hands at a press conference. After these hands, it became clear to all sane people that with the Union "everything"

    Well, let's say the hands were shaking not from Yazov, but from Yanaev. And this, you see, is completely different people. Yazov, really the last marshal, and a man worthy of respect and reverence. As a war veteran, as a professional military man, he has no money and is not a shred. Not that the current ones - they just sit in a chair, they immediately begin to row for themselves. Well, just like slaves in the galleys.
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    2. aviamed90
      aviamed90 7 December 2013 17: 11
      0
      demotivator

      Fair.
    3. creak
      creak 7 December 2013 19: 57
      +3
      Leave the marshal alone, who has the right to judge him without experiencing even a tenth of what happened to him ... At least one thing that he went to the front as a boy and honestly performed his duty more than outweighs his possible mistakes .... In contrast Kryuchkov (a member of the State Emergency Committee), who throughout the war strengthened the defense in deep rear at the liberated Komsomol job ... And veterans need to be paid tribute not only on May 9, Yazov is the same veteran who only served as a marshal. Of the military personnel born in 1922-24, out of 100 people, only 3 returned from the war. I believe my father, born in 1923, who went through the war from July 1941 to February 1945, who has long served in the SA and I never heard from him a single bad word about Marshal ... As they say, do not judge and will not be judged ...
      1. shilotkachv
        shilotkachv 9 March 2016 15: 15
        0
        Thanks to Yazov for the war, but he was the Minister of Defense and we judge him for contributing to the collapse of the USSR.
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  24. KALININGRAD
    KALININGRAD 7 December 2013 17: 31
    -1
    He did not swear. still military and even Marshal Ha. Yazov- YOU ARE A COWARD. Here are the Chinese saved the state
  25. Just
    Just 7 December 2013 17: 47
    +1
    Quote: S-200
    Independently, making decisions that were crucial for the country (under the GKChP) Yazov reflexively was NOT ABLE ... Even the weak Yeltsin’s opposition led the GKChPistov into an intellectual stupor ...


    How dull people are. This was not a stupor, but the understanding that further actions would cause a split in society that would entail the collapse of the USSR, and maybe even a civil war that took place, for example, in Yugoslavia. And the collapse of the current version of the Russian empire, called the USSR, will be followed by the collapse and collapse of Russia, which, albeit slow, we observe today.
    So, the members of the GKChP did not begin to do anything because their tasks included the salvation of the USSR, which, as it became clear in the days of the GKChP, is no longer possible to carry out peacefully. The GKChPists were not fools or scum, they were typical Soviet people responsible for their decisions and actions. But EBN’s tasks included satisfying personal ambitions and gaining personal power at ANY PRICE.
    That is precisely what the Yeltsin era came to be - selfish, greedy crooks.
  26. Just
    Just 7 December 2013 17: 55
    0
    Quote: KALININGRAD
    He did not swear. still military and even Marshal Ha. Yazov- YOU ARE A COWARD. Here are the Chinese saved the state


    What the Chinese have saved is not viable. The communist idea denies private ownership of the means of production, and the Chinese economy relies on the Chinese oligarchy. You cannot serve God and mammon at the same time, sit on two chairs and keep up with two hares - preserve the leading and guiding role of the Communist Party and build capitalism. Very soon they will have to make a choice, what should they refuse? And there will be no choice, there will be driving on the track of the USSR. So the PRC still has all the "charms" of perestroika ahead.
    1. Artillerist
      Artillerist 7 December 2013 18: 44
      +4
      In 1989, the Chinese crushed a hundred students in Tiananmen Square, but saved millions of lives and the country. And we have slugs in power. I don’t remember who exactly, but one Chinese sage said that "one weak ruler is able to cross out the achievements of an entire era." We are still unraveling and will never restore what was.
    2. BBM
      BBM 8 December 2013 03: 44
      -3
      the next mantras of either a stupid liberal or an Orthodox Stalinist. China has a choice: this slide into pure National Socialism, like Hitler's Germany, or the construction of "democracy" like the United States. Where there are elections, but puppeteers do not change
      1. Artillerist
        Artillerist 8 December 2013 13: 11
        0
        You want to call me a stupid liberalist or an Orthodox Stalinist, but you have not noticed how you yourself criticize me from the position of a stupid liberalist. Everything is clear with a liberalist, but can you explain how a Stalinist can be Orthodox? You said stupidity. Sometimes it's better to chew than talk.

        I do not like discussions on the principle of "DU RAK himself" and let's end this.
        1. BBM
          BBM 8 December 2013 15: 12
          0
          Quote: Artillerist
          can a Stalinist be Orthodox?

          very simple, because the main and only "university" that Dzhugashvili graduated from is the theological seminary. So this is a 100% product of the Russian Orthodox Church. Under him, it was "revived", becoming for a time (until the accession of Khrushch) a continuation of the state and the MGB (however, it never broke the connection with the GB).
          By the way, if you haven’t noticed 100% of the local site-based dzhugashvilists beat themselves in the chest with the heel that they are Orthodox.
        2. shilotkachv
          shilotkachv 9 March 2016 15: 18
          0
          The gunner is YOU right, you have to answer for your actions, but the marshal lost, and set up the army, and completely agreed with Gorbaty.
  27. Artillerist
    Artillerist 7 December 2013 18: 51
    +2
    Quote: aviamed90
    Artillerist

    Well yes! Perhaps you are right! I heard about that too.

    But then remember G.K. Zhukova! He, too, was fond of it after the war!
    But, however, you have no questions and complaints about it! All these things are blocked by his leadership talent.

    So why do you evaluate Yazov differently?
    What's the difference?


    Do you want to compare the incomparable? Zhukov and the most powerful army in the world in 1945 on one side of the scales and on the other - Yazov and the Soviet Army in 1991, which he essentially betrayed, with his mediocre leadership.
    1. bevatec
      bevatec 7 December 2013 19: 22
      0
      What betrayed? What was the mind not to give an order to enter tanks on the streets?
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    3. aviamed90
      aviamed90 8 December 2013 09: 43
      0
      Artillerist

      What manifested his lack of talent, given that he did not make political decisions? He did what was in his power and, in his opinion, was useful for the country.

      Is he, having got into such conditions at the post of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR, adequately got out of this situation? And unlike many, he did not cling to his position and well-being.

      What would you suggest if you were in his place? Which exit?
      1. Walking
        Walking 8 December 2013 12: 59
        +1
        It’s just interesting to know the opinion that it would be better for the country then to suppress everything with the force of the army, albeit with blood but not much, or leave everything as happened in the history of the dashing 90s, banditry, separatism and national conflicts. The question is rhetorical.
      2. Artillerist
        Artillerist 8 December 2013 13: 01
        +1
        What naivety ... He did not make political decisions? Directly - no, did not accept. However, he was one of the five most influential people in his office both in the Politburo and in the government. He was OBLIGED to influence the formation of political decisions regarding the Army. And if you so want to make Yazov a simple Soldier, not a politician, then why the hell do you need such a Soldafon in such a position, taking it under the hood when decisions are made that are destructive for the Army, and which, on the contrary, should be developed and nurtured?

        What about did not cling to his position and well-being - I don’t even want to comment. Find my post a little higher. I wrote about his reputation in the army there. I served in this troubled time and I know what I'm writing about ....
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        2. aviamed90
          aviamed90 8 December 2013 13: 48
          0
          Artillerist

          I also served as an officer at that time. And I remember everything perfectly.

          And naivety has nothing to do with it. Everyone understands what kind of person stood at the helm of the Moscow Region. But from this his personal position on the fact of Gorbachev’s betrayal does not suffer in any way.

          You did not answer the main question: what would be the correct actions of the USSR Ministry of Defense in a situation where the head of state and the CPSU secretary general are a traitor, and this minister is directly subordinate to him?

          It seems that you simply do not read what considerations opponents give you in response. It turns out not a discussion, but a conversation between the "blind" and the "deaf".

          There is really nothing to comment on well-being.
          As a result of his "provocation" he lost this prosperity and ended up in prison. Or did he become "fabulously rich" as a result of his actions?
          And where does his reputation in the army? Read the posts above. There are memories and opinions different from yours.

          By the way, your version of the "provocation" is similar to the position of Mr. Zyuganov on this issue, who was also not the last person in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, but did nothing except words. But now he suddenly acquired the right to criticize the actions of the State Emergency Committee.
          1. Artillerist
            Artillerist 8 December 2013 20: 01
            +1
            Quote: aviamed90
            By the way, your version of the "provocation"

            Where did you find the word "provocation" in my words? You make me make excuses for my words. which I did not write and start a dispute in the wild.

            Quote: aviamed90
            You did not answer the main question: what would be the correct actions of the USSR Ministry of Defense in a situation where the head of state and the CPSU secretary general are a traitor, and this minister is directly subordinate to him?

            The easiest way is to avoid the execution of criminal orders. This can be done as Marshal Akhromeyev, having fired himself a bullet or simply resigned by writing a statement (agree that this does not require special courage, but only a little conscience and honor. This was a little for Yazov.


            Quote: aviamed90
            As a result of his "provocation" he lost this prosperity and ended up in prison. Or did he become "fabulously rich" as a result of his actions?

            By today's standards of theft and corruption, Yazov is a crystal honest man, but in those days there were completely different parameters. Compare, for example, the income of a judge of a district scale during the times of the USSR and at present. Then it was a petty justice officer, who could afford to take a bottle of cognac. And today a typical judge (I judge in Ukraine) is a fat erysipelas traveling on a Range Rover, having unlimited power and inviolability within its territorial jurisdiction.

            In those days, the concepts of corruption and its scope were completely different and it is not necessary to judge them by the standards of the present.
      3. shilotkachv
        shilotkachv 9 March 2016 15: 21
        0
        Where he went, went to jail, was sentenced, then pardoned, there was another General Kobets his last name, he also rushed about, then he was also sent to prison. There are no patriots, that's why we live like this. We are preparing for the next collapse.
  28. mark7
    mark7 7 December 2013 19: 21
    +1
    Quote: kartalovkolya
    Well, it would be better to crush the people with tanks and shoot

    yes, there are cases when, in order to save the nation from collapse, it is necessary to use weapons and tough measures, which alas, the marshal did not do, was not mentally prepared, but should ex officio
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    2. aviamed90
      aviamed90 8 December 2013 09: 47
      +1
      mark7

      The responsibilities of the USSR Ministry of Defense did not include armed suppression of the opposition in the CPSU and the government.

      For this, there were the Ministry of Internal Affairs with the BB and the KGB.
  29. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 19: 31
    +2
    A person having fulfilled his duty (as he believes) did not assume in his old age that a change would occur.
    There is no need to make a politician out of a soldier, a soldier is a child of his people, a politician is a prostitute.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 7 December 2013 20: 26
      0
      Quote: EdwardTich68
      There is no need to make a politician out of a soldier, a soldier is a child of his people, a politician is a prostitute.

      "+", only place spaces correctly. Yazov is not a politician.
    2. mark7
      mark7 8 December 2013 00: 26
      +1
      Quote: EdwardTich68
      No need to make a politician out of a soldier

      A soldier’s duty to protect a country from an external and internal enemy, politics is another matter. A person of this rank must understand that he can lose his country and his homeland as a whole.
  30. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 7 December 2013 19: 52
    +2
    KALININGRAD UZ
    He lived near Gorbach. Ha. A coward he is not a marshal

    You take a lot on yourself, dear, it’s CLAIMO to hang on a person to whom you might not be suited to be suicidal ... sorry.
  31. Black
    Black 7 December 2013 21: 33
    +1
    [I]Why did Yeltsin, the secretary of the Sverdlovsk Regional Party Committee, suddenly become a leader? His main driving force was resentment. ....
    Here he is, when Gorbachev began to say that we are doing this and that - he said: you do not do anything! Poorly said about everything that is being done. The whole bouza started with this.

    It all starts with personal insults, ...... [
    /I]

    Tricky Marshal, oh-tricky !!!
    The whole "booze" (what word I found !! "It turns out that it began with Boris's resentment against Misha ... there it is!
    1. alone
      alone 7 December 2013 22: 16
      +1
      Quote: Chen
      Tricky Marshal, oh-tricky !!!
      The whole "booze" (what word I found !! "It turns out that it began with Boris's resentment against Misha ... there it is!


      yes good
  32. Witch
    Witch 7 December 2013 23: 25
    0
    Quote: bomg.77
    A worthy man. The only thing, the rigidity was not enough for him.

    Well, actually, he didn’t have to take stiffness and lordly rudeness ...
    My father saw more than once, his visits to the institute even when he was the first deputy ...
  33. Const
    Const 7 December 2013 23: 34
    +1
    quote:
    "My life is approaching 90 years, but I still do not understand why a person needs all these rags, precious stones. We become slaves of all this."
    Only it is worth considering.
  34. Const
    Const 7 December 2013 23: 38
    +1
    Marshal is not a title, it is an achievement. Whatever it is, it's just that they won't call Marshal
  35. biznaw
    biznaw 7 December 2013 23: 39
    +3
    Quote: Bevatec
    What betrayed? What was the mind not to give an order to enter tanks on the streets?

    Hmm, it seems that the author of the post in 91 was at an unconscious age, probably went to kindergarten at that time. Otherwise, I would not have written such a kuynya.
    The tanks just entered, although there was no need to bring equipment and the army into Moscow, there was no one to fight with, they were all one people, then we were all very surprised, some kind of absurdity. This is Yazov’s insanity, nonsense about protecting the telegraph post office, then the police and an ambulance from the asylum could quite easily deal with the exalted citizens.
    The problem of the Soviet regime after the Stalin era was that there was no rotation to replace the old ones like Yazov and Kryuchkov with fresh, adequate personnel. Under Stalin, and for some time under Khrushchev, the leadership of all ranks had a fear that if you could not cope with the responsibilities, then there would be krants. There was no question of betrayal, they will be shot right there, your subordinates. The atmosphere of that time was well played by young Sidikhin, I don’t remember the name of the film about the civil war.
    And we don’t need to tell us about military exploits, all of our grandfathers and fathers fought, the majority died, and those who came didn’t really like to tell, and we little fools didn’t ask them that much.
    Speaking of Astafyev, he lived at one time in our village and my grandfather remembered the war as he was fishing, the discussion ended with a grandfather slap in the face of the writer. And the grandfather passed Stalingrad from his military unit in Stalingrad he generally survived alone. After this fishing, my grandfather felt disgust at the mere mention of the writer.
    It’s bad that we don’t talk with the older generation, as a result then myths about the savior of the fatherland Yazov, films about Stalingrad from Fedi Barchuk are born.
    1. mark7
      mark7 8 December 2013 00: 34
      0
      Quote: biznaw
      Films about Stalingrad from Fedi

      I liked the film, strong, but in general I agree with you
    2. creak
      creak 8 December 2013 10: 07
      0
      The fact of the matter is that Yazov was washed with bones by fathers and grandfathers who did not fight, and their descendants, many of whom not only did not fight, but did not serve in the army either ... I myself, being a war veteran, consider that my sons and grandchildren it was not appropriate to judge the older generation. First try to go through what they went through, you look and would not be so categorical in their judgments ...
      1. shilotkachv
        shilotkachv 9 March 2016 15: 45
        0
        Not to judge, but to evaluate from the position of what happened and the role of everyone in our history. 90s leaders purged the country, sold it for bucks.
    3. creak
      creak 8 December 2013 10: 07
      0
      The fact of the matter is that Yazov was washed with bones by fathers and grandfathers who did not fight, and their descendants, many of whom not only did not fight, but did not serve in the army either ... I myself, being a war veteran, consider that my sons and grandchildren it was not appropriate to judge the older generation. First try to go through what they went through, you look and would not be so categorical in their judgments ...
    4. shilotkachv
      shilotkachv 9 March 2016 15: 41
      0
      I completely agree with you, my father fought, and when he watched documentaries about the war, he cried, but did not want to talk about the war, received five wounds. And about 1991, he clearly said that the military leaders did not save the traitors. I was offended because he was a military man. And when I tried to explain to the cadets at the school that what was happening in the country was a coup, the KGB took us into development, and after the coup was over we were accused of supporting the State of emergency. I had to resign from the army. The army was led by another marshal named Shaposhnikov.
  36. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 8 December 2013 00: 25
    0
    All vodka rushed over the weekend on the very nostrils, no one to talk to, alas, alas wassat
    1. VADEL
      VADEL 8 December 2013 04: 54
      +1
      What to write, would have been thrown too. You look and the topic of conversation above the nostrils would appear drinks fellow
  37. saxa2103
    saxa2103 8 December 2013 01: 00
    +1
    Marshal Yazov did not fulfill the military oath while being at the post of DEFENSE MINISTER
    junior lieutenant violated the order while at the post of the commander of the platoon
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    2. aviamed90
      aviamed90 8 December 2013 09: 50
      0
      saxa2103

      What oath did he not fulfill?
  38. Bugivugi
    Bugivugi 8 December 2013 02: 13
    +1
    Glory to the Patriots !!!
  39. slaventiy
    slaventiy 8 December 2013 10: 50
    +2
    I, a simple soldier of the USSR (served in the KDVO "osnaz") with the lieutenant general (1985-87) personally shook hands several times. He was and is a real MARSHAL.