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Ukraine: What if in fact "Yugoslav scenario"

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Ukraine: What if in fact "Yugoslav scenario"In fact ... the so-called "Yugoslav scenario" for the modern Ukraine - is, alas, are not "horror stories". And one of the most likely (because natural) scenarios.


It’s just that for the entire post-Soviet period, the newborn “republic” has never been able to bring forth from itself into the light of God not only a more or less intelligible state that could hold this rather patchwork territory together, but also did not articulate - or perhaps could not articulate - no intelligible unifying ideology at all. Moreover, the most ridiculous thing in this whole process is the fact that even now (during, so to speak, the “national revolution”), the main issue is not the realization of national interests. And just a global dilemma "under what plan to lie": under the "western" or all the same "under the eastern." And this speaks only about one thing: modern Ukraine, just like the socialist Yugoslavia in its time, is nothing more than an artificial state-territorial entity.

And in principle, in terms of European storiesThere is nothing terrible about this: in general, such formations in Europe are complete.

Beginning with historical Germany.

Even in my beloved Bavaria, the “Bavarians” easily distinguish themselves from the “Franconians” and “Swabians”, what can we say about any “Sudeteners” there. And nothing, live. And this is only Bavaria. But there is also Saxony, Thuringia and, in fact, Prussia, which in the end, all this Deutschland was “organized” by itself.

So - everything is quite possible. And for this you need a little: a sane unifying idea, a tough power that does not fear bloodshed, as well as neighbors who are not inclined to want to warm their hands at someone else’s fire, for various reasons. Well, and most importantly - time.

So. None of these four factors in modern Ukraine there is not expected.

But what her “is not foreseen” especially, you excuse me, is precisely this time and vegetarian-like neighbors. Well, consider it out of luck.

And if you add here the actual absence of intelligible armed forces and absolute, as recent events have shown, professional unwillingness to suppress the riots of other power structures, then the picture turns out to be quite depressing: unlike quite unhappy Egypt, Ukraine cannot even count on your army.

And now I don’t need to tell anything here, we also did this in 90-e, when the army of a great power was almost “defeated” by ordinary gangsters in the first Chechen - in Ukraine, I am sure the process is much more neglected. So the army as a combat-ready unit to take there is simply nowhere.

So now think for yourself if the Yugoslav scenario is possible on the modern territory of Ukraine or how.

And at what particular stage in this scenario will the Russian Federation be forced, namely, forced to intervene in the event of its further “Balkanization”: in Ukraine there are all prerequisites for this, including elements of religious hatred. And not only in the Crimea.

... I'm not happy. I'm really terrified. But I just want to remind you: ethnically the same Serbs, Bosnians and Croats are generally the same people, they don’t even have “separate” languages, they speak a single “Serbo-Croatian”. And how enthusiastically they cut each other - probably, no one needs to be reminded.

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  1. AVV
    AVV 6 December 2013 15: 44
    19
    If we talk about the Yugoslav scenario, this option will not work here, although the prerequisites are present !!! In the Crimea, the Tatars can declare independence, but Kiev is not ready to restore constitutional order in this territory if it acts like in the capital and apologizes constantly about excessive use of force !!! But the enemies are not asleep, they will feel the weakness of power to tear apart the territory and give it to the Tatars loyal to the West !!! And then, as in the textbooks and script written in the State Department !!! Western Ukraine, central , roll out their requirements, then the forelock will have to be shaved off !!!
    1. A.YARY
      A.YARY 6 December 2013 16: 04
      22
      "Mister" Lekuh recalls after reading this article the state - "the chicken coop into which the shell flew"!
      Fear God! Yugoslav ?! NATA on the doorstep ?! Albania attacked?! Chetniks on the march ?! Shoot bosnyaki ?! Horror!
      But there is a maaalyusenkaya correction-EBNa neme!
      RUSSIA at your fingertips!
      Fleet in Sevastopol!
      Half of the population is Russian!
      That's bad luck ah ?!


      In a word, nonsense!
      1. Kars
        Kars 6 December 2013 16: 42
        +9
        Quote: A.YARY
        ?! Chetniks on the march ?! Shoot bosnyaki?

        Yugoslavia was originally a FEDERATION of republics that immediately held only on Bros Titto.
        And the fact that there were different nationalities was personally understandable to me when I read a book published in the USSR about Yugoslav partisans in WWII.
        And Ukraine is not a federal state.

        and the article is strange - the name is Yugoslav script, and it was spread about Germany. federal republic.
        1. Walker1975
          Walker1975 6 December 2013 17: 22
          -70 qualifying.
          And Germany in 1937 is more like modern Russia. The same getting up from your knees, thirst for revenge, all around are enemies, everyone who criticizes is the enemy of the Reich, arrogance and opinion that we’ll make iron toys right now and how we will show everyone! That's just science and industry in Germany went up, and did not fall apart. Italy, as modern Belarus, is so proud, but without Germany, nowhere. But Crimea, like the Sudetenland, which belonged to Czechoslovakia.
          1. tirazu
            tirazu 6 December 2013 17: 52
            19
            Pacifist? Science and industry in Germany went up precisely thanks to militarization. Science and industry in Russia fell apart for 20 years, largely due to the lack of military orders.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 17: 54
              +7
              Quote: tirazu
              Science and industry in Germany went up precisely thanks to militarization.

              US military budget -600 billion good
              1. saxa2103
                saxa2103 6 December 2013 18: 48
                +3
                officially
              2. saxa2103
                saxa2103 6 December 2013 19: 10
                0
                officially
                Quote: major071
                He wants to promote, in fact, these are just words that are not supported by anything. Then he will smear himself, say, or dumb gasoline or firewood is over. laughing

                let him try gas, symbolically patriotic
              3. Chertkov Oleg
                Chertkov Oleg 6 December 2013 20: 28
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: tirazu
                Science and industry in Germany went up precisely thanks to militarization.

                US military budget -600 billion good

                Fiction writers printed as needed. The whole ball will be sprayed when it bursts.
          2. PistonizaToR
            PistonizaToR 6 December 2013 18: 22
            18
            in-in, I’ll soon go to Crimea to rest, there’s no current without crossing the border, since there will be none, and the Tatars, if they want, will go to Turkey ... to live forever ...
            1. fedval7560
              fedval7560 7 December 2013 00: 46
              +8
              Here men honestly do not understand .... Well, the east and south of Ukraine Crimea, well, ours. The front-line grandfathers are turning over in their coffins. Well what to do then. It turns out they died for this, and we grandchildren, how to put it mildly and more literally ... blinked. Well, it's a pity that our TsNIIAG would have done better than Oka and Tochka for 20 years. Well, how is it that everyone "missed" and even the Crimea. I feel ashamed in front of my children and my granddaughter. As the question will be asked .. and I ....
              1. So_o_tozh
                So_o_tozh 7 December 2013 11: 40
                -6
                Yes, yours, my grandfathers also shed blood for them and for Russia too, right? Suppose that even in the next world they are at war with each other and find out who is more and why they freed ???
                1. German
                  German 10 December 2013 02: 17
                  +1
                  do not pay attention to the minuses, I also almost minus you! but then I read and thought a little ..... just not everyone has a sense of humor (and understanding of sarcasm and irony) developed ... And therefore: definitely plus!
              2. Basarev
                Basarev 7 December 2013 13: 31
                +2
                But this is largely due to the State Emergency Committee and the two-day civil war. I’m sure if we defeated the forces of Rutskoi-Khasbulatov - and then we would not have missed anything
          3. shuhartred
            shuhartred 6 December 2013 18: 45
            +7
            Quote: Walker1975
            And Germany in 1937 is more like modern Russia. The same getting up from your knees, thirst for revenge, all around are enemies, everyone who criticizes is the enemy of the Reich, arrogance and opinion that we’ll make iron toys right now and how we will show everyone! That's just science and industry in Germany went up, and did not fall apart. Italy, as modern Belarus, is so proud, but without Germany, nowhere. But Crimea, like the Sudetenland, which belonged to Czechoslovakia.

            Hey hey hey, you do not continue the analogy. By the way, who do you think we have the Fuhrer? I ask that they would not tell me later that I myself said this.
            1. Siberian German
              Siberian German 6 December 2013 19: 10
              +8
              And you know everything by gender who we will have - the Tsar Prince Secretary General - they’ll come up with something, but they’ll necessarily have a bloody prefix
              1. fedval7560
                fedval7560 7 December 2013 01: 07
                0
                That's right. There are regimes, and theories are socialism, a monarchy, a parliamentary republic ... In fact, Napoleon Churchill Stalin Lenin and ... I'm afraid to write Putin
            2. fedval7560
              fedval7560 7 December 2013 01: 00
              +3
              And what. from German it’s the leader ... It seems like we are at the time of the leader, and we always have been. Well, than suppose Peter is not the Fuhrer.
              1. Siberian German
                Siberian German 7 December 2013 02: 58
                +3
                here it is - I myself wanted to write it, but I was shy - otherwise they would say Fritz broke up
                1. shuhartred
                  shuhartred 8 December 2013 21: 34
                  0
                  Quote: Siberian German
                  here it is - I myself wanted to write it, but I was shy - otherwise they would say Fritz broke up

                  Yes, you do not hesitate to say anything. We defeated the Germans so no complaints.
                  1. Siberian German
                    Siberian German 9 December 2013 20: 13
                    0
                    Well, this went a little beyond understandable - to the Germans' account more carefully - my ancestors from the 18th century in Russia and did a lot for it, so we need to observe a bit of tact - and we won not the Germans but the Germans
              2. shuhartred
                shuhartred 8 December 2013 21: 32
                0
                Quote: fedval7560
                And what. from German it’s the leader ... It seems like we are at the time of the leader, and we always have been. Well, than suppose Peter is not the Fuhrer.

                It is, of course, yes, but everyone has a very clear association with the word Führer. A nation must have a leader. Not that there are any spineless democratically elected ones there. But we generally need a king, that is, a monarch autocratic and unlimited, but this is only my opinion. soldier
          4. saxa2103
            saxa2103 6 December 2013 18: 46
            +1
            so for sure, an analogy with those times can be seen in the world, only the players have changed.
            1. shuhartred
              shuhartred 6 December 2013 18: 51
              +2
              Quote: saxa2103
              so for sure, an analogy with those times can be seen in the world, only the players have changed.

              No, the players are the same. Pieces on the board in a different color.
          5. shuhartred
            shuhartred 6 December 2013 18: 47
            +3
            Quote: Walker1975
            And Germany in 1937 is more like modern Russia. The same getting up from your knees, thirst for revenge, all around are enemies, everyone who criticizes is the enemy of the Reich, arrogance and opinion that we’ll make iron toys right now and how we will show everyone! That's just science and industry in Germany went up, and did not fall apart. Italy, as modern Belarus, is so proud, but without Germany, nowhere. But Crimea, like the Sudetenland, which belonged to Czechoslovakia.

            And Ukraine like France or what?
            1. AlNikolaich
              AlNikolaich 6 December 2013 20: 13
              +4
              Quote: shuhartred
              And Ukraine like France or what?

              Yes her! Along the way like Poland!
              But Poland, like who ??? request
              1. Vasek
                Vasek 6 December 2013 23: 16
                +3
                Quote: AlNikolaich
                But Poland, like who ???

                Yes mongrel she paid!
                In my experience, Poles hate everyone except themselves and the one who pays (the value is variable).
                1. old rocket man
                  old rocket man 7 December 2013 02: 18
                  +3
                  Quote: Vasek
                  In my experience, Poles hate everyone except themselves and the one who pays (the value is variable).

                  Yes, they hate everyone, but the one who pays especially, just do not show for the time being hi
          6. Revolver
            Revolver 6 December 2013 19: 31
            +4
            Quote: Walker1975
            And Germany in 1937 is more like modern Russia.

            Until they began to massively use compasses to measure skulls, and send those whose proportions are not "Aryan" enough to be sent to camps, your analogy is inappropriate.
            Although, I do not argue, there are people who want to put compasses into use, including on this site (I will not poke a finger, everyone knows everything). But something does not look like they will be allowed something more specific than hysteria and, perhaps, sometimes I’ll be drunk to clean the face of a thread that didn’t turn up at the same time to a foreigner of another religion. Moreover, foreigners of other faiths often ask themselves, and they themselves are not without sin.
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 7 December 2013 01: 18
              +2
              Why are the "compasses" so scared? Or is there a complete disorder with the "standards"?
              Do not worry. When in America they begin to measure the "length of the skin in a certain place" your "parameters" will coincide with the Muslim ones. Just get close to Brighton. They are all like that ...
          7. mountain
            mountain 6 December 2013 20: 49
            +1
            After the 45th, I don’t remember who would encroach; there was enough courage for idyllology, but where is it now? Complete shame on the West, and since America keep silent, anus.
          8. 4952915
            4952915 6 December 2013 23: 31
            0
            In fact, political scientists usually call Russia 90s Weimar Russia. And reasonably enough.
          9. de klermon
            de klermon 7 December 2013 02: 05
            +8
            You, Walker1975, just do not rise up to judge ... You are pathetic, pitiful as a suicide ... In general, the independent delirium of any "shanovnym master" resembles the cry of a severed leg about its self-sufficiency ... But ... condescending ...
          10. Cherdak
            Cherdak 7 December 2013 14: 30
            +2
            From Yugoslavia with love!
            As a reminder
            1. Kars
              Kars 7 December 2013 14: 32
              +5
              Quote: Cherdak
              From Yugoslavia with love!
              As a reminder

              Actually this is Yugoslav Mig 29
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 6 December 2013 18: 17
          15
          Yeah, Ukraine is not a federal state, it is a territory in which 20% so-called. Ukrainians scoff at the remaining 80% of Russians who saw both mov and embroidered sharovary in a coffin.
          1. In the book
            In the book 6 December 2013 19: 35
            -11 qualifying.
            Quote: EvilLion
            Yeah, Ukraine is not a federal state, it is a territory in which 20% so-called. Ukrainians scoff at the remaining 80% of Russians who saw both mov and embroidered sharovary in a coffin.


            Sorry, but before you write this, at least look at the statistics:
            for example, 2001 data:
            The largest peoples of Ukraine: Ukrainians (77,8%), Russians (17,3%), Belarusians (0,6%), Moldavians (0,5%), Crimean Tatars (0,5%) and others.
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 6 December 2013 19: 54
              12
              The deceit of official language statistics in Ukraine.

              Official information of the state of Ukraine claims that only 2001% of the population consider the Russian language in Ukraine to be considered native (according to the 29,6 census).

              However, this information is not confirmed by other - more objective and independent, unbiased - sources.

              The American Institute for Public Opinion Research Gallup ("Gallup") in 2008 conducted a study in several republics of the former USSR, the question of which part of the population (peoples) of these republics has Russian as a mother tongue (in Gallup's terms "mother"). The result is presented in the chapter "Russian as the Mother Tongue" of the article "Russian Language Enjoying a Boost in Post-Soviet States" on the Gallup website.

              According to Gallup in Ukraine, the Russian language is native to 83% of the population, (in Belarus - 92%). Compare these results with the official Ukrainian 29%. The difference is huge: 83 and 29. Gallup data show that linguistic Ukrainians on the territory of "Ukraine" constitute a national minority, and the data of the State Statistics Committee of Ukraine show that linguistic Ukrainians are a national majority.

              More: http://anti-myth.freevar.com/simul/statistika-lozh.htm
              1. cros
                cros 7 December 2013 00: 24
                +2
                Apparently the ruling elite of Ukraine does not want to rely on the Russian majority in 80% because 20% of the minority are financed by the EU and the USA.
                Cross
              2. stroporez
                stroporez 7 December 2013 07: 09
                +2
                but sho you wanted ?? Goebbels business lives and develops .........
            2. EvilLion
              EvilLion 6 December 2013 20: 12
              +1
              There is no such people "Ukrainians", all Little Russians are Russian, we do not ask the opinion of the Galicians, this time. The territories donated by Khrushchev are inhabited not even by h_o_kh_l_a_m_i, but by typical Great Russians, are they less than 20% of the population, are these two?
          2. VKabanov
            VKabanov 7 December 2013 03: 23
            +1
            The real ratio is somewhere around 55% of Ukrainians to 35% of Russians, the remaining 10% are of other nationalities. Many Ukrainians do not speak Ukrainian, but consider themselves to be Ukrainians. Those. the number of Russian speakers significantly exceeds the number of Russians.
        3. Alekseev
          Alekseev 6 December 2013 18: 41
          +4
          Quote: Kars
          Yugoslavia was originally a federation of republics

          And what initially Was there a modern Ukraine?
          Within the boundaries of the collapse of the USSR, of course. And, what, is it united by historical and cultural signs, the mentality of the population?
          By language?
          Isn't it easier to follow the path of the Czech Republic and Slovakia? Without "bazaar named after maidan"?
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 7 December 2013 21: 07
            0
            Quote: Alekseev
            Isn't it easier to follow the path of the Czech Republic and Slovakia? Without a "bazaar for them Maidan"?

            If tomorrow some Bulk with a rally begins to speak on some sort of square in Moscow, what is Russia to share in the Urals?
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 12 December 2013 05: 05
              0
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              Bulk with a rally will begin to speak on some sort of square in Moscow
              So he seems to be doing this quite often. Only nobody cares.
        4. saxa2103
          saxa2103 6 December 2013 18: 43
          0
          Yugoslav scenario of the collapse of the country,
          The name of the Federal Republic of Germany is also divided into subjects, and also has similar problems.
        5. VKabanov
          VKabanov 7 December 2013 03: 17
          +2
          De facto, given the state institutions of Crimea, Ukraine is a federal state.
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        7. velikoros-xnumx
          velikoros-xnumx 7 December 2013 13: 03
          +1
          Quote: Kars
          And Ukraine is not a federal state

          Modern Ukraine is not a state at all, rather a parody of it, unfortunately a sad parody.
          1. Kars
            Kars 7 December 2013 14: 34
            +3
            Quote: velikoros-xnumx
            Modern Ukraine is not a state at all

            Well, what else can you expect from a person with such a nickname. In addition to Great Russia there are no states along the way)))
            1. velikoros-xnumx
              velikoros-xnumx 7 December 2013 22: 25
              +1
              Quote: Kars
              Well, what else can you expect from a person with such a nickname. In addition to Great Russia there are no states along the way)))

              Why are you attached to my nickname, aren't you tired of repeating yourself? As I understand it, the UK and the British with a territory of half Ukraine and military-political influence at a level just above Luxembourg do not bother you, and in modern England there are no living Britons at all.
              1. Kars
                Kars 8 December 2013 11: 34
                +1
                Quote: velikoros-xnumx
                the United Kingdom and the British with a territory of half Ukraine and military-political influence at a level just above Luxembourg

                So do you think Luxembourg is not a state?
                Quote: velikoros-xnumx
                and in modern England there are no living Britons at all

                I am not aware of the historical alterations of Great Britain, but in fact there is a name for the country, but I haven’t met the countries of Great Russia and nationality.
      2. vezunchik
        vezunchik 6 December 2013 16: 52
        +8
        I agree that the Russian guys will not let Amers settle in Ukraine, and we will have a sideways task ... And all such wars ended not only with the defeat of the aggressor, but also with the destruction of the pro-Nazi forces in Russia.
        1. Walker1975
          Walker1975 6 December 2013 17: 24
          -33 qualifying.
          Especially the Crimean War ... Sevastopol, Sevastopol ... impregnable for enemies ...
          1. Farik
            Farik 6 December 2013 18: 23
            13
            Quote: Walker1975
            Especially the Crimean War ... Sevastopol, Sevastopol ... impregnable for enemies ...

            You still remember what happened during the "Tsar Gorokh" and about the ancient ukrov. Sevastopol was, is and will be a Russian city !!!
            1. morpex
              morpex 6 December 2013 19: 09
              +4
              Quote: Farik
              Sevastopol was, is and will be a Russian city !!!

              Strange. How else are the Greeks not claiming him? laughing Historically, they seem to be the first ...
            2. Walker1975
              Walker1975 6 December 2013 23: 02
              -4
              When you remember, you remember your victories before the Stone Age. Then do not use words - ALL wars have won, ALWAYS won ...
          2. Arkan
            Arkan 6 December 2013 18: 31
            19
            Quote: Walker1975
            Especially the Crimean War ... Sevastopol, Sevastopol ... impregnable for enemies ...

            Inappropriate comparison - in the Crimean War, Russia was forced to fight simultaneously against the four most developed powers at that time, and the military (and political) successes of such a powerful coalition were more than modest.
            1. Walker1975
              Walker1975 6 December 2013 23: 05
              -7
              Yes, to fight against 4 states, but ... you also do not take into account one thing. When, under Napoleon, France fought simultaneously against Austria, Prussia, Russia, England, they were all nearby around France. In the Crimean War, everything was different: they fought with a landing party, which was not so easy to provide with that level of sea transport. At the same time, there was no such problem for Russia.
              1. Arkan
                Arkan 7 December 2013 00: 26
                +6
                Quote: Walker1975
                Yes, to fight against 4 states, but ... you also do not take into account one thing. When under Napoleon, France fought simultaneously against Austria, Prussia, Russia, England,

                This only confirms the fact that Napoleon was a good soldier, but not a very good politician (such were Karl and Hitler ...)
                Quote: Walker1975
                In the Crimean War, everything was different: they fought with a landing party, which was not so easy to provide with that level of sea transport

                And this is already from the series "Germany would surely win the war against the USSR if there was no winter and the USSR would be somewhat less ..." (as if the German field marshals, planning an invasion, did not look at the maps and had no idea about the climate in Russia ...). The result is important, not the reasons why they could not achieve it. European countries had a rich experience of capturing colonies, and if they could not achieve the tasks set, then they did not take into account something, or underestimate someone, in any In case, these are their problems. However, the Ottoman Empire suffered the most - having failed to cope with Russia, the Kaolitsy "tore apart" its weakened ally ... Western mentality, however.hi
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              3. vlasov70
                vlasov70 7 December 2013 12: 38
                +1
                Sea transport has always been more efficient than land transport even today. Given the scale of the empire, the nature of its sea and land communications, it is not surprising that the allies in the Crimean War were able to transfer troops faster and better supply them. By the way about their victory in 1856, the thesis is dubious. Initially, Crimea was considered only as a springboard for larger-scale operations, including an invasion into the interior of Russia in order to isolate it from the Black Sea. The plan was frustrated. The results of the Paris world have been revised for 14 years.
                1. Koryak
                  Koryak 7 December 2013 14: 48
                  +1
                  From myself I will add, in the same year there was an attempt to capture the English-French. squadron of Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky. Heroically defended.
          3. xan
            xan 6 December 2013 18: 37
            +4
            Quote: Walker1975
            Especially the Crimean War ... Sevastopol, Sevastopol ... impregnable for enemies ...

            I wanted to laugh, but I just wrote the truth.
            And you, an ukrusherbny, military glory of ancestors need to invent
            1. rolik
              rolik 6 December 2013 23: 14
              0
              Quote: xan
              And you, an ukrusherbny, military glory of ancestors need to invent

              Not ... what are you, what are you. There, the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks of the Turks pressed on black. Without them, we would never see the Black Sea. They are there on their seagulls drove the entire Turkish fleet))))))))))
              1. VKabanov
                VKabanov 7 December 2013 03: 35
                +8
                Cossacks generally pressed everyone who could not pay more than the customer. And many killed each other when different groups were bought by the warring parties. The praise of the Ukrainian Cossacks is a slippery topic.
                1. stroporez
                  stroporez 7 December 2013 07: 37
                  0
                  but it is ------ propaganda skaya. although the Barkulab chronicle was not written by the Muscovites. It is cool there painted sho "kozachki" were doing on Orthodox lands ...........
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          5. Rattenfanger
            Rattenfanger 6 December 2013 20: 11
            +8
            Quote: Walker1975
            Especially the Crimean War ... Sevastopol, Sevastopol ... impregnable for enemies ...


            Go on, don't stop. About the "attack of light cavalry", for example. United Geyropa tuyevu a lot of time could not do anything with a group of troops cut off, in fact, from the rest of Russia.
            Levitan voice-overs:
            -And in the Caucasus, meanwhile, by tradition, the Turks raked.
          6. user
            user 6 December 2013 22: 13
            +4
            Well, from this place you can in more detail. The European coalition gathered in Crimea, Russia lost there, at the same time the British landed in Kamchatka, where the attacks were repelled with heavy losses for the attackers. By the way, the flag of that detachment of the British Marine Corps was previously displayed on the Naval Museum in Leningrad (I don’t know now). After this defeat, the enemy refused to attack St. Petersburg and Arkhangelsk, although their combined squadron showed the flag there. So not everything was so tragic in that war.
            1. Arkan
              Arkan 6 December 2013 22: 41
              13
              Quote: user
              So not everything was so tragic in that war.

              The result of that war was a document obliging Russia not to keep ships on the Black Sea, and Russia “sacredly” observed this treaty exactly as long as it took to build a new fleet (two years). In fact, in this war, the Allies achieved only one thing - Russia replaced it on the Black Sea. sea, the old sailing fleet on a new steam. And that's all. But the Ottoman Empire, after this war, finally collapsed ...
          7. stroporez
            stroporez 7 December 2013 07: 17
            +3
            and sho Crimean war ???????? et in Britain, the winners still have a day of mourning for the dead "winners". by the way, ordinary Britons should be grateful to the Russians. when the color of the British aristocracy, the officers, was reduced during this war, the ordinary British were given access to positions previously occupied exclusively by different Esquires. so sho victory at the cost of livestock "colors of the nation" - and sho then defeat ???????
          8. kotvov
            kotvov 7 December 2013 13: 34
            0
            yeah, especially they washed during the intervention-civil war.
      3. vezunchik
        vezunchik 6 December 2013 16: 52
        0
        I agree that the Russian guys will not let Amers settle in Ukraine, and we will have a sideways task ... And all such wars ended not only with the defeat of the aggressor, but also with the destruction of the pro-Nazi forces in Russia.
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      6. saxa2103
        saxa2103 6 December 2013 18: 37
        +1
        he means the collapse of Yugoslavia, which led to the collapse of the games -war.
      7. dark_65
        dark_65 6 December 2013 23: 19
        0
        you are such a hero:? you’ll go to fight. and leave your wife and children here? without money? well, what a fuck .. whistle. without giving a report. why?
        RUSSIA at your fingertips!
        Fleet in Sevastopol!
        Half of the population is Russian! Plus you will be paid extra for a trip.
        not weak?
      8. de klermon
        de klermon 7 December 2013 01: 58
        +3
        Bullshit is not bullshit, but there’s just someone to cut there, in Ukraine ... And Tyagnibyki ... sorry, Tyagniboki - this, as they say, is far from the worst !!! Remember, this Bandera evil is worse than any Chetniks and history has proved it more than once !!!
    2. APES
      APES 6 December 2013 16: 08
      15
      Quote: AVV
      If we talk about the Yugoslav scenario, then this option will not work here,


      I do not know,
      burning is always easier than putting out
      but the fact that
      at what stage of the scenario will the Russian Federation be forced to — namely forced — to intervene if it

      staying aside does not work, and therefore it is necessary, at least:
      Quote: AVV
      sane unifying idea, tough, not afraid of bloodshed power,


      as for:
      vegan neighbors

      inclined to think (in this scenario) - they will have to keep their tails silent .....


      and so - the stakes are very high .......
      1. Xroft
        Xroft 6 December 2013 16: 21
        19
        That's not easy. Poland buys Leopards in quantity for the whole brigade ..... And it conducts military exercises. From the NATO bloc, Poland is one of not many countries that is building up arms ....
        And high-ranking politicians go to the Maidan to speak (openly interfering in the life of another country)
        Wait to continue ..
        1. Angry reader
          Angry reader 6 December 2013 16: 37
          +1
          TPC NATO and is eager to get straight)) do not tell, they will bypass the side
          Psheks, yeah, right now they’ll be bought by leopards, and drones and they’ll go, I’ll carry the Eurolight ...
          1. valton
            valton 6 December 2013 18: 51
            +1
            That is exactly what some comrades argued in 1941. The most dangerous thing is not to underestimate the enemy.
        2. Tambov we ...
          Tambov we ... 6 December 2013 16: 46
          14
          Poland, from its time on a freebie of fallen statehood in the 20s of the last century, did not show attention as anything capable of world influence, showed anything. And if they buy Leopards, it doesn't mean anything. But NATO will not want to face the Russian world head-on. They are here death.
          1. xan
            xan 6 December 2013 18: 43
            +9
            Quote: We are from Tambov ...
            But NATO will not want to face the Russian world head-on. They are here death.

            Right! This is not Gaddafi in the desert to wet the whole world, already the tomahawks are over
            But the Poles are not leopards, but diapers are needed, they really do not know about it yet
          2. vlasov70
            vlasov70 7 December 2013 12: 43
            +1
            They look at Polish
            Like a goat on a poster
            Polish eyes bulging
            What is this geographic news !?
            Poems about the Soviet passport
            V. Mayakovsky
        3. morpex
          morpex 6 December 2013 19: 15
          +6
          Quote: Xroft
          That's not easy Poland buys

          Ipa ... pounding! Will it ever end? Every day the Romanians threaten, then the Hungarians climb to us, a little earlier Kadyrov let saliva, now the Poles ... Yes, I forgot about the Turks and Tatars. Who is next? am
        4. Chertkov Oleg
          Chertkov Oleg 6 December 2013 20: 41
          +4
          Russia and Belarus also conducted exercises in the summer near the Baltic, a howl was raised around the entire Baltic Sea, especially the "former" of the 15i.
        5. yur
          yur 6 December 2013 22: 15
          +1
          The leopard is certainly a serious beast, but an elephant named NF can come out to meet it and it will be enough for it to simply frown. I think that a feline animal will immediately find things far, far from our outskirts.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 6 December 2013 22: 26
            +3
            Quote: yur
            The leopard is certainly a serious beast, but an elephant nicknamed YaO can come out to meet

            Take it easy with nuclear weapons - this is a one-way ticket.
            Regarding Leo, I think that this is simply the creation of a reserve of tanks in Poland, it is clear that if it does blaze, the Psheks will simply transfer part of their T 72m1 or RT to 91 Galician units.
            1. rolik
              rolik 6 December 2013 23: 19
              +2
              Quote: Hudo
              Take it easy with nuclear weapons

              That's right ... it’s better to take it easy, why bother to intercontinental at once ..... we’ll use tactical nuclear weapons)))))))
        6. densh
          densh 7 December 2013 00: 38
          +2
          So the Poles are one of the most Svidomo members of NATO. Ready to get into any hot hole.
          1. VKabanov
            VKabanov 7 December 2013 03: 32
            +1
            Ukraine is no worse licks. The only "partner" country that takes part in all NATO operations as of this year.
      2. smile
        smile 6 December 2013 16: 22
        13
        APES
        But it seems to me that Ukraine will avoid the Yugoslav scenario.
        First of all, because there is no clear territorial and ethnic division of the country, as, for example, in Yugoslavia with its republics.
        The only option is the Tatars, with whom the authorities of Ukraine, as I understand it, flirted in order to counterbalance the Russian majority of Crimea. Finish-the Tatars are under tight Turkish control.
        I.e. excluding the Tatar factor, the opposing forces are not clearly delineated. Especially. if consider. that a quarter-century Russophobic propaganda is bearing fruit, and even in the traditionally Russian regions of Ukraine, young people are partially dreaming of European integration and are looking with suspicion towards us.

        No, they won’t have a war, I don’t believe .... If the Tatars do not consider that they can capture Crimea.
        1. A.YARY
          A.YARY 6 December 2013 16: 31
          +5
          Vladimir
          According to the agreement on the Crimea, the Tatars even have no access to the power structures of the law, and even a change in the statute, like any state of Crimea, will certainly lead to a revision of its position.
          Who will do this?
          1. smile
            smile 6 December 2013 17: 29
            +3
            A.YARAY I think you're wrong, Andrey.
            In 1774 - Kuchuk Kaynagirsky world, according to which a couple of cities came under the jurisdiction of the Republic of Ingushetia.
            All Crimea remained under the rule of Crimean slave traders - Turkish satellites.

            It was only in April 1783 that Catherine published a manifesto on the acceptance of the entire Crimea, the entire Kuban and Taman Island (then it was considered an island). The Turks have recognized. that Crimea and Kuban are the Russian land "with a solemn act" only in February next year.
            Thus, they did not set and could not set any conditions.
            And in RI, the rights of Krymchaks were equated with the rights of all other subjects of the empire.

            In general, you are definitely mistaken — there were no fundamental agreements — this is a legend — because Ekaterina accepted the Manifesto unilaterally without regard to any Turks.
            1. Vasek
              Vasek 6 December 2013 23: 31
              +1
              Krymchaks are generally Crimean Jews, not Tatars.
              1. VKabanov
                VKabanov 7 December 2013 03: 41
                +1
                Only Muslims consider them to be their own, but not the Jews. :)
              2. Tambov we ...
                Tambov we ... 7 December 2013 23: 01
                0
                It seems to me that you confuse them with Karaites, who have common rudiments of a cult with Jews. And the Crimean Tatars, nevertheless, are Muslim. IMHO, as they say.
          2. Egoza
            Egoza 6 December 2013 18: 14
            14
            Quote: A.YARY
            Who will do this?

            Euromaidan. Maidan will lead to the fact that Crimea and Sevastopol go to Russia
            Using a difficult situation in society to satisfy the interests of certain political forces, which can lead to the destruction of the constitutional system of Ukraine as a sovereign state, is unacceptable and criminal. The appeal emphasizes that the leadership of central law enforcement agencies and the Prosecutor General must carefully check all the circumstances of the events that occurred recently in Kiev. The City Council requests a legal assessment of the actions of opposition leaders Arseniy Yatsenyuk, Oleg Tyagnibok and Vitali Klitschko on the facts of the organization of the seizure of the buildings of the Kiev City Council and the House of Trade Unions, their incitement to riots, causing material damage to communal and state property in Kiev. Ukraine as an integral state will cease to exist if the president and the government do not restore order in the near future, said Tatyana Ermakova, leader of the “Russian community of Sevastopol”. “I want the president and government to finally bring order to Ukraine to stop exposing its mediocrity and stupidity to the whole world. No country in the world can afford to walk 15 days. Children must learn. I want to punish those who allow children to skip classes. If Ukraine wants to fall apart, let Maidan continue. In this case, Sevastopol and Crimea will go to their homeland - to Russia, ”said Ermakova.
            http://oko-planet.su/
            Here is the answer!
            1. ele1285
              ele1285 6 December 2013 19: 15
              +6
              Quote: Egoza
              Quote: A.YARY
              Who will do this?

              . Maidan will lead to the fact that Crimea and Sevastopol will go to Russia.
              . No country in the world can afford to walk 15 days. Children must learn. I want to punish those who allow children to skip classes. If Ukraine wants to fall apart, let Maidan continue. Sevastopol and Crimea in this case will go to their homeland - to Russia, ”said Ermakova.
              http://oko-planet.su/
              Here is the answer!


              It will not be enough.

              And Donetsk, Ekatirinoslav, Mariupol and Zaporizhzhia and others are all to us. Maybe together we will finally build one and not divisible country together with Belarusians
              1. ele1285
                ele1285 6 December 2013 22: 04
                +3
                answer to minusers, let you be the main ones at gay parades
              2. xan
                xan 7 December 2013 00: 32
                +4
                Quote: ele1285
                And Donetsk, Ekatirinoslav, Mariupol and Zaporizhzhia and others are all to us. Maybe together we will finally build one and not divisible country together with Belarusians

                Donetsk, Yekaterinoslav, Mariupol are founded by the Russian government. Every self-respecting person should remember the founding fathers and their own history, and not spit on it. The Ukrainian government, with its Russophobia, trampled against truth and justice. It does not go in vain.
                We must remember such disgusting things, and they must atone. And do not blame Russia for the pressure, and keenly feel the decline in living standards compared to Russian - Ukrainians will return and will still return in the form of cobble stones the stones that they threw into the past.
              3. shpuntik
                shpuntik 7 December 2013 01: 22
                +2
                ele1285 (2) RU Yesterday, 19:15 ↑
                It will not be enough.
                And Donetsk, Ekatirinoslav, Mariupol and Zaporizhzhia and others are all to us. Maybe together we will finally build one and indivisible country together with the Belarusians.

                Clearly, unambiguously, within the boundaries of 1914. The Franco-Masons can only be expelled in the Mistral and privatized money. Although the money is unlikely to return. Anyway.
                Let the Ukrainian brothers be determined. I personally waited for this moment, when "independence" and "independence" will show themselves. Now the time has come. If Janek Klitschko jails, then there will be a concert, the series: "Champion behind bars." smile
            2. rolik
              rolik 6 December 2013 23: 29
              +2
              Quote: Egoza
              Here is the answer!

              I have not so long ago the feeling that getting up early in the morning and turning on the news, I hear:
              - Under cover of night, the President of Ukraine left the country in an unknown direction, devastating the treasury before this.
              As for the treasury, he has, of course, already done this a long time ago. But, by golly, there is a feeling that he will run away leaving everything behind.
              1. HAM
                HAM 7 December 2013 10: 04
                0
                There is already a precedent, Mishiko, though he is no longer the president, but he pulled the money ... and to Brussels.
            3. VKabanov
              VKabanov 7 December 2013 03: 44
              +1
              Some of the rectors said normally about this, something like: "During school time, study, in free time is everyone's personal business."
        2. ele1285
          ele1285 6 December 2013 16: 35
          +4
          Tatars are not the only option, but also scary.
          Quote: smile



          No, they won’t have a war, I don’t believe .... If the Tatars do not consider that they can capture Crimea.


          A guerrilla war with the use of mercenaries is still possible. Only ordinary people will suffer, not Yatsik and Yanuk.
          1. smile
            smile 6 December 2013 17: 37
            13
            ele1285
            And who will organize the partisan war?
            If the Tatars, they will be strangled with the active help of the Russian majority in the Crimea, their Tatars got it like that. that only allow me to pay what I deserve - and the Tatars will not ... and for the cause.
            Banderlog? If they start, then their leaders will certainly not suffer, just like Yanukovych, they are even worse than him. But the unleashing of a guerrilla war can also be the beginning of the collapse of the country and the accession of part of the country to Russia ... if we take ..... I doubt that Western zoshchyaev bandarlogs do not understand this ... although the devil knows what they are thinking about .. .. while the bandarlogs, together with the barranes, who have popped on the square, destroy their country very effectively. I believe that the damage to the Ukrainian economy is already comparable to a local armed conflict .... and there the economy is breathing ...
            1. ele1285
              ele1285 6 December 2013 18: 54
              0
              Quote: smile

              ... if we take .....

              But will we take it? Not the people, but those who hold power
              1. smile
                smile 6 December 2013 19: 12
                +5
                ele1285
                There is no need to separate power and people.
                The thing is, with the Rat. populated mainly by Russians, everything is clear, let's take ... if they want, and Ukraine will come back home.
                With other areas, not so obvious. There is a possibility of the emergence of organizations there of a part of the ever-dissatisfied population like our marsh ones, who will always yell about how it used to be good, and then the Russians occupied them. And these movements will be well funded from abroad ... yes, plus scandalous traditions ... yes, plus big investments at the first stage .... it’s worth considering a thousand to take it apart, not to take it .... I would take it ... but I’m not sure that anti-Occupan sentiments will not arise there ... and what they will result in in the long run? ... you need to think very well here .... and it is better to accept as a whole, after referenda, etc. ..... so do not produce hostile states, otherwise they will yell about the divisions of Ukraine after two hundred years, as they yell about the divisions of Poland ..... only Russophobic quarter-century propaganda has brought its fruits, I don’t know how they will vote, I’m not sure what kind .. ...
                1. ele1285
                  ele1285 6 December 2013 19: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: smile
                  ele1285
                  There is no need to separate power and people.

                  organizations of a part of the ever-dissatisfied population like our VELVETS, who will always yell about how it used to be good, and then the Russians occupied them ..

                  Well, they left them 23 years ago (as in Russia to the whole nation), kindergartens, schools, libraries and hospitals.
                  And let them continue to sit in the caches and fight with the Romanians, Poles, Slovaks and the whole Geikontora.
                  I am talking about "unity. Together we are strong. And the population is literate enough to break at least the process of secondary education in us and with them. And an educated person is strength.
                  1. smile
                    smile 6 December 2013 19: 39
                    +1
                    ele1285
                    Here I agree, I do not argue. Even with the modernization of the quotation of my statement ... :))))
                    OK let's see....
                    1. ele1285
                      ele1285 6 December 2013 19: 44
                      +1
                      It's scary, I have relatives there. And I remember how in 93-94 benderlogs were spudding there. But times are changing and everything passes.
                      1. Papakiko
                        Papakiko 6 December 2013 21: 13
                        +6
                        Quote: ele1285
                        It's scary, I have relatives there. And I remember how in 93-94 benderlogs were spudding there. But times are changing and everything passes.

                        Everyone under God walks and this and that will be rewarded according to merit.
          2. Tambov we ...
            Tambov we ... 6 December 2013 18: 06
            +3
            And how will these mercenaries get there? Through Perekop? Or maybe by sea, in Turkish submarines? What about ammunition and the rest?
            1. ele1285
              ele1285 6 December 2013 18: 55
              +1
              It's simple, there are bases, tourists will come
              1. Tambov we ...
                Tambov we ... 6 December 2013 20: 43
                +2
                Tourists will be drowned by the Black Sea Fleet of Russia. And I have no doubt.
                1. ele1285
                  ele1285 6 December 2013 22: 22
                  +1
                  God forbid that it was so
            2. Hudo
              Hudo 6 December 2013 19: 04
              +7
              Quote: Tambov we ...
              And how will these mercenaries get there? Through Perekop? Or maybe by sea, in Turkish submarines? What about ammunition and the rest?

              Not a single local conflict ceased for the reason that the cartridges ran out and so on without which it is impossible to fight. There are pndos in Afghanistan - there seems to be no such supplies, but the mujajeddins and stripes and their lackeys are beating up, and it must be said that they are being beaten up with the remnants of weapons and ammunition left from the time of the Soviet presence there. And the end and edge of this is not visible.
              1. Tambov we ...
                Tambov we ... 6 December 2013 19: 21
                +3
                What are you talking about??? Yes, there are Pakistan, and our former Central Asian republics, and the Pashtuns generally do not recognize borders and live not only in Afghanistan. Weapons will come from anywhere, especially since they pay with drug addicts. But in the Crimea, that's all shit Economy( am Moderator) to deliver will be very problematic.
                1. Hudo
                  Hudo 6 December 2013 19: 29
                  +2
                  Quote: We are from Tambov ...
                  But in the Crimea it will be very problematic to deliver all this shit.


                  The conflict in Sri Lanka, a civil war in Sri Lanka, is caused by constant friction between the two largest communities inhabiting the island, Tamils ​​and Sinhalese, approximately 25 and 70 respectively. The acute phase of this conflict (full-scale civil war), lasted more than 30 years ...
                  http://www.conflictologist.org/main/ltte.htm

                  Quote: We are from Tambov ...
                  What are you talking about???


                  Yes, I say that even on the island special interruptions with weapons and ammunition somehow did not arise during the 30 years of the war.

                  Convinced? If not, I will throw more good examples.
                  1. Tambov we ...
                    Tambov we ... 6 December 2013 20: 13
                    +2
                    There is common sense in your words, but you forget about the mentality, I really don't respect this non-Russian word, there is a better way of understanding the world, and the best is a state of mind. So, in the civil war in Ceylon, the Russians were not even close. There were locals whose mental level did not sit closely with ours, although we can recall the influence of the ancient Aryans (our great-great), which did not give them anything. Our war is continuous and for the complete destruction of the enemy, which they do not have. And throw up examples, and I will dissuade you.
                  2. kenig1
                    kenig1 7 December 2013 08: 38
                    0
                    Yes, because the Sri Lankan army did not have the ability to control the entire territory of the country, not to mention the sea.
        3. APES
          APES 6 December 2013 19: 48
          +4
          Quote: smile
          But it seems to me that Ukraine will escape the Yugoslav scenario

          for the most part I agree with you, but if we consider possible scenarios, then there will be no pure repetition of the Yugoslav scenario.
          but no one bothers to do another (I’m not saying right now - in principle - as a script)
          for example:
          on the Maidan there will be real victims (firearms) of which the "bloody regime" will be blamed, a liberation army of Ukraine is being formed (already ready) in Lviv + paths on new leopards, and all this will move to Kiev. and where there is already blood - it will be difficult to reconcile - and rushed like the 17th year ... (or Syria)
          I doubt that Russia will calmly look at it

          all this of course, nothing more than the obsessions of my former patient - 8 years ago a bastard escaped, and this crap with color revolutions began ....
          1. smile
            smile 7 December 2013 22: 29
            0
            APES
            Yes. This is a very real scenario. but I believe that it will not develop - there is no clear division into friends and foes - neither territorial nor ethnic.

            Yeah, so who is to blame !!! :))) Here, who did not cure, here, who did not ensure the protection of the psycho !!!! :)))
            Catch evil, otherwise it, extraterritorial zarrrza, cuts circles all over the world, sows troubles, wars, epidemics and destruction. :)))) Otherwise, we will put you in a corner for negligence! :)))
        4. Tambov we ...
          Tambov we ... 6 December 2013 20: 17
          +1
          I agree with your opinion.
        5. VKabanov
          VKabanov 7 December 2013 03: 39
          +2
          I think that the Crimean Tatar idea in Crimea will end on this.

          There is a border and it is quite clear - it runs along the western border of Zhytomyr and Vinnitsa regions.
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    4. Sandov
      Sandov 6 December 2013 16: 22
      16
      But I just want to remind you: ethnically the same Serbs, Bosnians and Croats are generally the same people, they don’t even have “separate” languages, they speak the same “Serbo-Croatian” language. And how they enthusiastically cut each other - probably no one needs to be reminded.

      The Amer embassy in Kiev works well. Pushes Russ foreheads. All this Maidanism is their work.
      1. morpex
        morpex 6 December 2013 19: 47
        +8
        Quote: Sandov
        All this Maidanism is their work.

        All this "Maidanism", as you say, is to a greater extent a product of the rule of the current government, with its throwing. No matter how ... they will not choose a bank in an ice-hole. And whoever, what would not say here, for 22 years of independence, this power is the most terrible. If before swindlers and thieves at least somehow threw a bone to the people, then these bandits completely lost their conscience. They ripped off the people like a sticky one. And Putin should not be given loans (the family will steal the money anyway), but a kick in the ass. Yes, he will agree with Merkel that she would cool the zealous Europoids with her invitations to Europe. And then believe me, Ukraine will not go anywhere from Russia.
        1. Chertkov Oleg
          Chertkov Oleg 6 December 2013 20: 57
          +1
          This is how their brains (Ukrainians) have been dirtied to this day.
          Filmed by Ukrainians in 2007 about "happiness" in the EU. I recommend! Naked-assed ESniki live and eat margarine "well" as the brown Nazi bequeathed.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWHX7bdhPfg&list=FLiyAOQC9eeUopnlDVdmMzOg
          1. Chertkov Oleg
            Chertkov Oleg 7 December 2013 19: 19
            +1
            Quote: Oleg Chertkov
            This is how their brains (Ukrainians) have been dirtied to this day.
            Filmed by Ukrainians in 2007 about "happiness" in the EU. I recommend! Naked-assed ESniki live and eat margarine "well" as the brown Nazi bequeathed.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWHX7bdhPfg&list=FLiyAOQC9eeUopnlDVdmMzOg
        2. rolik
          rolik 6 December 2013 23: 43
          +2
          Quote: morpex
          All this "Maidanism", as you say, is largely a product of the current government,

          More precisely, not even a product, but the absence of primary sexual characteristics in this government.
    5. Liss.
      Liss. 6 December 2013 16: 36
      +5
      Quote: Liss.
      Tatars may declare independence in Crimea

      While in the Crimea their minority is not.
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    7. Andrey57
      Andrey57 6 December 2013 17: 08
      +7
      Well, of course, 90% of the population of Crimea are Russians, plus the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation and the Tatars will suddenly declare independence - who will listen to those Tatars? Then, according to the Russian-Turkish treaty, Crimea belongs to Russia, and in case of refusal of the rights to it by Russia, it goes to Turkey, no third countries, and even more so independence, is not provided for in this matter, in light of this, Russia will definitely not allow Crimea sail away under the Turks and NATO. In the event of the collapse of Ukraine, all agreements between Russia and Ukraine on the recognition of the territorial "status quo" are terminated - that is, Khrushchev's decisions on the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine are canceled, with all the ensuing consequences.
      1. smile
        smile 6 December 2013 17: 41
        +4
        Andrey57
        You are mistaken about the agreement with the Turks.
        The manifesto on the adoption of the Crimea and the Kuban into the Republic of Ingushetia Catherine accepted unilaterally, without any contracts with the Turks ... - in April 1783. For almost a year, the Turks thought about how to react to this, and in February of the following year RECOGNIZED the citizenship of Crimea and Kuban as Russians. In a special solemn act. All.
        And Catherine Chkhala on Turkish opinion from a high bell tower.
    8. 1c-inform-city
      1c-inform-city 6 December 2013 17: 19
      10
      Small clarification . Tatars in the Crimea on the strength of 10%, so that they can scream. But real independence is unlikely to get.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 6 December 2013 19: 08
        +5
        Quote: 1c-inform-city
        Small clarification . Tatars in the Crimea on the strength of 10%, so that they can scream. But real independence is unlikely to get.


        Also a little such clarification. In the 1990s, he commanded a unit in which a significant part of the military was Crimean Tatars. They served well, delved in, there were very few Chmyrdos among them, so throwing hats would not do. Better to ruin the world.
    9. polly
      polly 6 December 2013 17: 30
      10
      Today, the Crimean Tatars sent their representatives to Kiev to support the legitimate authority, they are against association with the EU!
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 6 December 2013 18: 19
        +4
        Quote: polly
        Today the Crimean Tatars sent their representatives to Kiev to support the legitimate authority

        Moreover, 1000 people went. Almost all of them are representatives of those who once held a meeting and demanded that the Verkhovna Rada recognize the lands they have seized without permission as the legitimate demands of the Tatars. And the "guys" on camera (I saw it on the news this morning) declared that they were not afraid of the cold and inconvenience, they were prepared people.
        And now the question is: "What if Yanukovych accepts the support of the Tatars in order to preserve his power and the" integrity "of Ukraine?
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 6 December 2013 20: 53
          +2
          Quote: Egoza
          And now the question is: "What if Yanukovych accepts the support of the Tatars in order to preserve his power and the" integrity "of Ukraine?

          He promises them to go nowhere, uses, and throws. He was not the first to throw.
    10. EvilLion
      EvilLion 6 December 2013 18: 14
      -7
      RF is ready. Crush tanks.
      1. xan
        xan 6 December 2013 18: 51
        +4
        Quote: EvilLion
        RF is ready. Crush tanks.

        Nothing like this!
        We must wait for the circumstances when the power can be established by telegrams from Moscow.
        And this will happen soon, if the mess does not stop, and impoverishment goes at an accelerated pace.
      2. Hudo
        Hudo 6 December 2013 19: 13
        +7
        Quote: EvilLion
        RF is ready. Crush tanks.

        Save motor resources, it is more advisable to resolve the issue in favor of the Russian people, first of all with your head, and not with your fists, although you can play with your muscles without getting involved directly, so that a truly reckless tower to zero became really necessary in due time.
      3. Tambov we ...
        Tambov we ... 6 December 2013 19: 29
        +2
        At the very least, this statement is rude and does not correspond to the foreign policy of Russia.
      4. In the book
        In the book 6 December 2013 19: 40
        +2
        Quote: EvilLion
        RF is ready. Crush tanks.


        Oh and the warriors gathered here. wassat
        Tanks they will crush. lol
        Put things in order.
      5. morpex
        morpex 6 December 2013 20: 02
        +3
        Quote: EvilLion
        RF is ready. Crush tanks.

        Well, and who are you going to push the clown?
        1. old rocket man
          old rocket man 7 December 2013 02: 47
          +4
          Quote: morpex
          Well, and who are you going to push the clown?


          It’s right, no one, but I don’t really want to fight relatives and worthless people with my own,
          Life has taught me that most of all children love war and those who have not fought and will never fight drinks
          1. wk-083
            wk-083 7 December 2013 05: 55
            +1
            Quote: Old Rocketman
            It’s right, what no, but relatives and worthless to fight with their own,

            Sometimes relatives need to be put in place!
      6. not main
        not main 7 December 2013 00: 13
        +1
        better if the tanks remain in the boxes!
    11. 222222
      222222 6 December 2013 18: 17
      +5
      For the Yugoslav scenario, an excuse was invented for alleged ethnic cleansing by the Serbs. At the same time, another option was considered - religious clashes. But the first one "played".
      1. Tambov we ...
        Tambov we ... 6 December 2013 19: 38
        +2
        And the Yugoslav scenario was developed by the West long before that. Remember the tensions between Tito and our leaders. The West calculated this and was not mistaken; they knew in advance that the Kremlin has established stereotypes regarding not quite socialist Yugoslavia. Yes, and the inhabitants of the Kremlin at the time of EBN have not yet had time to move away from those established traditions.
    12. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 6 December 2013 19: 58
      +5
      Russian President Vladimir Putin held a working meeting with his Ukrainian counterpart, Viktor Yanukovych. This was reported to ITAR-TASS by the press secretary of the Russian leader Dmitry Peskov.

      “The President of Ukraine made a stop in the city of Sochi on the way from China home. During a brief working visit, current issues of bilateral Russian-Ukrainian relations were discussed, as well as issues related to preparations for the upcoming meeting of the Russia-Ukraine Interstate Commission in Moscow, ”the agency quoted him as saying.

      The press service of Yanukovych writes that the parties, in particular, spoke about the preparation of a future strategic partnership agreement.
    13. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 7 December 2013 04: 55
      +1
      At a meeting of Russian and Ukrainian presidents in Sochi on Friday, December 6, an agreement was reached on Ukraine’s joining the Customs Union. This is with reference to informed sources said on his blog on Twitter the famous British journalist, senior editor of The Economist magazine Edward Lucas.

      According to information obtained, as Lucas emphasizes, from a very reliable source, the strategic agreement concluded in Sochi also stipulates that the Russian Federation allocates $ 5 billion to Ukraine and sets the price of Russian gas for Ukraine at $ 200 per thousand cubic meters. As of the end of November, Russia, according to the agreement of 2009, supplied gas to Ukraine at a price above $ 500 per thousand cubic meters.

      There has been no official confirmation of the information voiced by The Economist journalist.

      Earlier, presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that during a brief working visit, Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and Russian leader Vladimir Putin discussed “current issues in bilateral Russian-Ukrainian relations, as well as issues related to the preparations for the upcoming meeting of the Russian interstate commission in Moscow -Ukraine". The press service of Yanukovych, in turn, said that the parties, in particular, talked about preparing a future strategic partnership agreement.

      Yanukovych made a stop in Sochi on his way to Ukraine from China, where he was on an official visit. The conversation between Putin and Yanukovych lasted about six hours.

      Congratulate everyone!!! fellow
  2. tomas.09
    tomas.09 6 December 2013 15: 56
    18
    Yes, there is no (in) Ukraine power. The clowns are alone. What they divide, the pipe, the lard, the Europe !!!
    1. APES
      APES 6 December 2013 16: 11
      +5
      Quote: tomas.09
      Clowns alone


      these are not clowns, since such questions solve:
      it’s just a global dilemma “under which pan to lie”: under the “western” or still “under the eastern”.
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    3. Tersky
      Tersky 6 December 2013 16: 41
      +7
      Quote: tomas.09
      Yes, there is no (in) Ukraine power. The clowns are alone.

      All these gestures of power and opposition in Ukraine remind me of a date between an impontent and a frigid woman when one wants but cannot, and the other can but does not want. And who is who I think it’s not worth prompting, the people on the site are literate.
      1. morpex
        morpex 6 December 2013 20: 05
        +2
        Quote: Tersky
        reminiscent of a date between an impontent and a frigid woman, when one wants but cannot, and the other can but does not want.

        you won’t tell more precisely .. + to you.
  3. ed65b
    ed65b 6 December 2013 16: 06
    18
    it is necessary to intervene at the very beginning, then it will be too late. as soon as the first blood is shed and the zapadentsy will go in orderly peace to mobilize the east. here it is necessary to disperse them through the woods and finish there. What our grandfathers did not do to the end should be their grandchildren.
    1. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 6 December 2013 16: 14
      -6
      They fought with Chechnya for 15 years, and the population there is 1 lemon. And you want to quickly finish off Benderlogs. Vague doubts torment me.
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 6 December 2013 16: 40
        +4
        I, too, are tormented by doubts that they will quickly catch, but if there is political will, then it’s quite possible. If only Lviv chocolate did not become the symbol of Russia next time
        1. VKabanov
          VKabanov 7 December 2013 03: 47
          +1
          Roshen is tastier than Svitoch, tastier than Babaevsky and Red October. :)
          1. Anper
            Anper 7 December 2013 14: 47
            -1
            Hymno soy, filled with chemistry, this Roshen. Even the pediatrician said to us - if you want to give your child something sweet, look for Russian chocolate or Belarusian, otherwise there will be problems with the pancreas. They will be rampant for all young children.
      2. EdwardTich68
        EdwardTich68 6 December 2013 16: 42
        +2
        They are still minus, but I have to look at the minuses and pluses. Remember how many took off after the war, and then the army and the country's leadership were much higher.
        1. smile
          smile 6 December 2013 17: 49
          +7
          EdwardTich68
          Well, think with your head and immediately understand. why they were destroyed for a long time -
          1. Their skeleton was specially trained by the Nazis before the war.
          2. they were armed by the Germans; food and equipment armament bases and an intelligence network were created. The combat experience of the anti-partisan war greatly contributes to the development of survival skills.
          3. They were tied with blood - a mass of people with combat experience, accustomed to kill. believing that they have nothing to lose.
          4. The modern capabilities of the anti-partisan war are precisely an order of magnitude higher than then. I won’t even explain, if you yourself don’t understand, then you don’t think about the topic at all, and it will be impossible to convince you.

          In general, if you think about it with your head, you’ll understand that you are wrong .... the question is, do you want to? :)))
      3. smile
        smile 6 December 2013 16: 43
        13
        EdwardTich68
        Well, as always, when you wrote a comment, you couldn't help but tell a lie.
        For your information, 1 Chechen war began at the end of 94, ended in August 96. Total one and a half years. And it’s hard to call it a war - people like you in the leadership and Mass Media simply did not really let you fight.
        The second began at 99, ended almost a year later.

        This is the time when they really had to fight with them. Then they had to be caught and destroyed - this is stressful but not scary anymore - this is no longer a war. And if we were not shy about the means, everything would end even faster.

        In Ukraine, with the undoubted support of a significant part of the population, bandarlogs will be destroyed faster, but they will not have to fight at all - unless of course we consider the issue hypothetically. because I am opposed to getting there by the armed forces.
        In any case, the repetition of Bandera is impossible - there these punishers learned to fight for years, they were trained and armed by the Nazis. Current Western patrons do not teach anyone to fight - they simply fool the crowd and throw it into the furnace.
        Ukrainians themselves will deal with such if their leadership has enough political will.

        I look forward to at least one of your comments. where you are not lying .... I understand that you cannot organically do this, but at least you try, it will suddenly turn out ...
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 6 December 2013 17: 00
          +3
          Quote: smile
          I look forward to at least one of your comments. where you are not lying ...

          Vladimr, hi ! Waiting in vain ...
          Quote: EdwardTich68
          . Remember how many took off after the war, and then the army and the country's leadership were an order of magnitude higher.
          ??
          No comment .. wassat laughing .
        2. EdwardTich68
          EdwardTich68 6 December 2013 17: 19
          0
          You write illogical things. If the Russian army invades western Ukraine (theoretically), the flow of weapons and money from the NATO countries will rush.
          will sit in cities and at checkpoints without sticking his nose out. This will be 1 Chechen
          10 times enlarged. I would like to see you there with a gun in the Carpathians, but you
          of those who just write. Look at the losses of the army and population in western Ukraine.
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          3. smile
            smile 6 December 2013 19: 31
            +4
            EdwardTich68
            Yes, we argue theoretically.
            1. The flow of weapons is good. The minimum number of people who know how to fight is bad, very bad. In forests with a developed road network and communications, and with helicopters ... how many hours do you spend on bandit life? And you do not take into account one factor - not our soldiers will be engaged in scumbags. and Ukrainians, ours will only provide assistance. Of course, the troubles will be ... minor - nothing serious can be done. And it is mainly in the cities.
            Unless in the Carpathians ... but there they will be crushed quickly - with our experience .... and with their lack of experience .....
            And in a mountainous and wooded area with a machine gun, I, unlike you, once ran around .... and talked with fellow partisans ... briefly ... that’s why I say there will be no Chechen wars.
            And our troops will not go there having forgiven the will of the bulk of the population, even theoretically - therefore - do not drive .... please. And why the hell are they there? If only separate units specializing in anti-guerrilla warfare enter, help Ukrainians destroy the dirt ....

            Well, the fact that you could not understand the difference between Bandera’s 45 and their current miserable similarities, as well as the fact that the conditions for guerrilla warfare and the fighting qualities of the bandarlog personnel with their ancestors is 2-3 orders of magnitude worse than before, just indicates that you don’t understand the subject of the conversation pathologically ... even the argument passes by ... or you just pretend to be a durrroy for some reason ... and I don’t care for what.
            1. Chertkov Oleg
              Chertkov Oleg 6 December 2013 21: 08
              +2
              Great rebuke. Thank you
        3. EdwardTich68
          EdwardTich68 6 December 2013 17: 27
          0
          And if you think that there was peace between the wars in Chechnya, then I really can’t
          (in your case) to challenge it.
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 6 December 2013 17: 41
            +2
            Quote: EdwardTich68
            And if you think that there was peace between the wars in Chechnya, then I really cannot (in your case) challenge it.

            in Chechnya, yes, teips fought for spheres of influence, but the Russian Armed Forces did not conduct databases on the territory of the republic. Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs ...
            1. EdwardTich68
              EdwardTich68 6 December 2013 17: 55
              +1
              Yes, the whole south the Chechens terrorized and only when the Muscovites began to kill the matter moved.
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 6 December 2013 18: 31
                +4
                Quote: EdwardTich68
                Yes, the whole south the Chechens terrorized and only when the Muscovites began to kill the matter moved.

                Again confuse the sinful with the righteous request , - War is an extreme phenomenon of public life, an organized armed struggle between states or their coalitions. And terrorism is the systematic use of violence and threats in order to move the government or society to accept certain political demands.
                1. EdwardTich68
                  EdwardTich68 6 December 2013 18: 38
                  0
                  So in your opinion it was not a war, but spit and grind like that?
                  1. Tersky
                    Tersky 6 December 2013 18: 50
                    +2
                    Quote: EdwardTich68
                    So in your opinion it was not a war, but spit and grind like that?

                    Reread the posts again, it might come ... Two of you tried to explain what's what ...
                    1. EdwardTich68
                      EdwardTich68 6 December 2013 19: 09
                      +1
                      These two who tried to explain to me what war is not for me. The Republic of Ichkeria signed a peace treaty with the Russian Federation in which a transitional period to full secession was determined. It officially had an army
                      40000 bayonets and a completely armed population shot down in gangs.
                      it was already an independent state, where the non-Chechen population was either destroyed, or was in private slavery, or was sitting in concentration camps of field commanders.
                      it’s for those two, but for normal people it’s a war.
                      1. UmaR
                        UmaR 7 December 2013 03: 04
                        0
                        Edwardtich

                        quote: and polls armed gangs

                        Complete nonsense, the impudent lies that you carry in general comrade. fool
                      2. old rocket man
                        old rocket man 7 December 2013 14: 27
                        0
                        Quote: EdwardTich68
                        Name counter-terrorist operation
                        it’s for those two, but for normal people it’s a war.


                        (W)? A punch-man, it was precisely a counter-terrorist operation, moreover, with complete confusion and reeling in the minds sovereign command, if it was a war, the world would not have signed with anyone.
                        There’s no ceremony at the war and there are no newspaper men in the combat zone, a shot from the house, a grenade out the window and we went on, a machine gun in the basement, there are six 120mm shells and there’s nothing to look at negative
                    2. smile
                      smile 6 December 2013 19: 35
                      +3
                      Tersky
                      Yes, you’re right about the pirate’s comrade, Edward Ticha, who’s unbreakable ... it’s useless to explain to him ... I just can’t understand - this is from stupidity and the fact that he does not understand the subject of the conversation, or he just pretending to be ... but by the way, what difference does it make to the firebox! ..... :)))))
                      1. EdwardTich68
                        EdwardTich68 6 December 2013 19: 52
                        0
                        We are talking about the possibility of control over Western Ukraine. Let me remind you that
                        even when the USSR was in control, this control was not easy. Although the Zapadents had no border with NATO at all, 250 lemons lived in the USSR, ideology
                        and the economy was against them. And in our times there will be half a million volunteers from Europe, don’t tell a laugh. They have a border with NATO. yes
                      2. Revolver
                        Revolver 6 December 2013 21: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: EdwardTich68
                        .And nowadays there will be half a million volunteers from Europe, don’t tell a laugh. They have a border with NATO

                        Volunteers? Do not tell my slippers. They were too snickering and too lazy to voluntarily run through the forests with a gun and to substitute their * bullets for the idea of ​​independence, not under the fact that in Geyrop the further the more considered the norm of life.
                        Here for live bucks there are those who wish. Are there any willing to pay these bucks? When I last checked, Galichina was not one of the world leaders in oil reserves.
                      3. EdwardTich68
                        EdwardTich68 6 December 2013 21: 23
                        -1
                        There will be, there will be those who will pay. And there will be darkness for volunteers. In the EU
                        507000000 million people are a quarter youth without work. There will be volunteers.
                      4. Arkan
                        Arkan 6 December 2013 22: 01
                        +4
                        Quote: EdwardTich68
                        There will be, there will be those who will pay. And there will be darkness for volunteers. In the EU
                        507000000 million people are a quarter youth without work. There will be volunteers.

                        Half a million fighters is a serious army, and to ensure its combat effectiveness, the industrial power of at least half of Europe will be required (you can't get off with "green papers" - large formations without heavy weapons will simply be driven into the ground by artillery), and firm control of such a mass is also necessary troops (which in itself is problematic when it comes to "unemployed youth of all Europe") ... Can you name which of the leaders of Europe is ready to "throw to the masses" the call "Again to go to the East carrying a new strand ..."? wink
                      5. EdwardTich68
                        EdwardTich68 6 December 2013 22: 36
                        0
                        Without a doubt, the leaders of Europe will make their contribution. Everything will be like in the Caucasus, and we will only consider coffins.
                      6. Arkan
                        Arkan 6 December 2013 23: 00
                        +1
                        Quote: EdwardTich68
                        All European leaders, without exception, will make their contribution.

                        How do you think it will look technically? It is not realistic to hide the mobilization, preparation, and concentration of such a mass of people near the border. To act openly is an actual declaration of war (with all the "charms" of martial law for local separatists) without a clear motivation for the population Europe (with all the consequences for European politicians). Internet? Yes, you can collect a certain number of militants and make Ukraine an ally of Russia ... I would like the Europeans to try to do such a stupid thing.
                      7. EdwardTich68
                        EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 00: 05
                        0
                        Purely technically: if the Russian army enters the territory of the outskirts, the borders in the west will be immediately opened.
                        Well, then ..... laughingthere will be no regular army
                        there will be thousands of mercenaries and instructors laughing
                      8. Arkan
                        Arkan 7 December 2013 00: 36
                        +2
                        Quote: EdwardTich68
                        Purely technically: if the Russian army enters the territory of the outskirts, the borders in the west will be immediately opened.

                        laughing Well, since you "began" in the "division" of Ukraine with the invasion of Russia, I will repeat my question in a slightly different context - which of the European politicians, in a sober mind and sound mind, will declare to their voters that it is time to go through Transcarpathia to Kiev, and further - to Moscow? wassat
                      9. EdwardTich68
                        EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 00: 54
                        0
                        All the same, the site is fundamentally military! No one will say, of course!
                        Who said anything in Syria? And as for the volunteers, there are Poles, Croats, etc., and all this will be with the full support of the international community. laughing
                      10. Arkan
                        Arkan 7 December 2013 01: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: EdwardTich68
                        Who said anything in Syria?

                        Well, you compared ... - recruiting those who know how to shoot scumbags in the Middle East is not a problem (they have nothing to occupy people there, here they are fighting unemployment in their own way ... laughing), but in Europe it’s a utopia. And several thousand militants will not reverse the situation. But the economic losses from Europe will be huge ... hi
                      11. EdwardTich68
                        EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 01: 28
                        +1
                        Europe will not have losses; it will not directly participate in the massacre of Westerners.
              2. Vasek
                Vasek 7 December 2013 00: 15
                +2
                Yes, he will not answer you!
                Their "Manual on Mobilization" in Lviv is probably also Sov. Secret laughing laughing laughing
            2. Arkan
              Arkan 6 December 2013 23: 00
              +2
              Quote: EdwardTich68
              All European leaders, without exception, will make their contribution.

              How do you think it will look technically? It is not realistic to hide the mobilization, preparation, and concentration of such a mass of people near the border. To act openly is an actual declaration of war (with all the "charms" of martial law for local separatists) without a clear motivation for the population Europe (with all the consequences for European politicians). Internet? Yes, you can collect a certain number of militants and make Ukraine an ally of Russia ... I would like the Europeans to try to do such a stupid thing.
    2. smile
      smile 6 December 2013 21: 36
      +2
      EdwardTich68

      Yes, you masterfully dodge - you spread your argument all over the tablecloth, but you, without defending your argument, put forward new arguments each time in the hope that your opponents will get tired of wasting time with you and spit on you ... basically, you're right - tired your evasions - go to the beginning of the discussion and read it again - all your organization - down the drain ... basically yours. from hopelessness, a gaggling thought about European volunteers can go there ..... :))) What Europeans? Is it possible that Albanians ... :))) I doubt that bandarloogs would like Albanians, Pashtuns or Libyan abreks in the Carpathians .. .and no one will get to destruction anymore.
      And on what half a lemon of other Europeans did you roll your lip? and most importantly, where? I understand that you pray to the map of the European Union every three hours and regularly reread Goebbels (you can see from your texts). But leave the tales about half a lemon of volunteers for the herd that you affectionately call "norot" .... :)))) Even my cat will not believe you - he sees with his heart, or rather ... he smells, rogues, because he himself is ! :))))
    3. smile
      smile 6 December 2013 23: 18
      +1
      EdwardTich68
      Wah, daraga, why did you hide from the mine on the Chorny List? Pachimu such cowardice, if you think that you're right? :))))
      Or have you changed your mind? :))))
    4. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 00: 37
      +1
      Yes tired of listening to your nonsense hi
    5. smile
      smile 7 December 2013 04: 49
      0
      EdwardTich68
      Congratulations on being blacklisted! :))) It is very laudable that they returned, stopping to hide from me :))))) - this speaks in your favor ...
      It’s not commendable that you didn’t stop replicating your stupidities, and you didn’t even try to somehow justify your alleged confidence (in fact, I believe that you are not so short-sighted) that Europe would just spit to find half a million volunteers ... where Anyway ... especially under the ax of the Russian army, especially to the hypothetical mess in the Carpathians (just nowhere else, except in large cities, Bandera gangs will survive longer than a few days - God forbid until the first action - further guaranteed destruction). ... especially since over half of Ukrainians will not support them ....
      You thoughtlessly blurted out about Polish volunteers defending bandarlogs .... not even funny - this is transcendent incompetence. 1. The vindictive Poles will NEVER lay down their lives for those who are no less hated than us. 2. What do you think, how would the bandarlogs pay off such mercenaries if they didn’t accidentally cut them at once? And they would have paid in much the same way as the Chechens paid with the Ukrainian, when those zass .... in, often decided to hit the road home from the evil Russian army .... - a wall. :))))
      In general, if the entire European Union and the United States, in addition, scrape together thousands of three to five white mercenaries - interspersed - Albanians with Croats with some garbage from the Ukrainian diaspora in a year - this will be extremely successful for them. And they will be destroyed mainly by the Ukrainians themselves. And destroyed, without any doubt. Well, we will help.
      In general, even when you think theoretically - it’s still worth thinking ... with your head, preferably. :))))
  4. rolik
    rolik 6 December 2013 23: 58
    +5
    Quote: EdwardTich68
    It is about the possibility of control over Western Ukraine.

    If in Russia to hold a referendum and ask the people, do we need Western Ukraine, what will be the result ??? You will probably be surprised, unlike me, but the result will be close to zero. Russia does not need Western Ukraine, it is not needed for nothing, and even more so to conquer it. We, with great entomological interest, will be watching her joining the friendly family of the European Union))))) Amen
  5. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 6 December 2013 21: 29
    -3
    Unlike you, I'm smart. bully
  6. rolik
    rolik 7 December 2013 00: 01
    +3
    Quote: EdwardTich68
    Unlike you, I'm smart.

    belay belay laughing laughing crying
    Fu ... damn it, I haven’t laughed like that for a long time.
  7. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 00: 17
    +1
    No need to laugh ahead of time, the quote does not apply to you but to 11111mail.ru and to Smile. These are two warlike hamsters.
    From my point of view, it is necessary to create a detachment of volunteers led by them for the enslavement of the Galitsa, that’s what laughter will be.
  8. rolik
    rolik 7 December 2013 00: 24
    +2
    Quote: EdwardTich68
    No need to laugh ahead of time

    I don’t laugh, I laugh. And what's the difference to whom this quote is addressed ????? A smart person, truly smart, will never write about himself that way))))))
    - scio me nihil scire))))))
  9. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 7 December 2013 00: 41
    0
    A smart person will not want the invasion of his army in a country inhabited by enemies without a goal. I also know that I know nothing and there is no need to trump dead languages ​​here
    At least some kind of living except Russian learn.
  10. smile
    smile 7 December 2013 05: 13
    0
    EdwardTich68
    Well, again, you're lying. :)))
    Here is a quote from my comment at the very beginning of our discussion:
    "... but you won't have to fight at all - if, of course, we consider the issue hypothetically, since I am opposed to getting in there with the armed forces."
    So what are your words, if not a lie? :))) How many times have I said that I reasoned hypothetically? Or maybe you will try to dodge again and still give my quote on which you based your statement? Waiting for .... :)))

    In general, the talker bird is distinguished by intelligence and quick wit ... I admit that you overshadowed the sun above me with your monstrous intelligence ... :))) I thought it was dark because it was night ... and it’s for some reason shores came out ... :)))

    You risk destroying your immortal soul. You live in a brothel! Blow your nose on the altars! You steal from the poor! Nightmare!!! :))) But what, this statement is no less true than yours - that I crave an invasion of Ukraine. :)))

    By the way. Ukraine is populated not by enemies, but by our brothers Ukrainians - most of them there. And any troop deployment would be possible only at the request of ... but why? they can handle it.
  • Vasek
    Vasek 7 December 2013 00: 07
    +1
    Quote: Tersky
    War is an extreme manifestation of public life, an organized armed struggle between states or their coalitions. And terrorism is the systematic use of violence and threats in order to move the government or society to accept certain political demands.

    So, is civil war a protracted terrorist act?
    And if the terrorist won, the tone is not a terrorist at all, but a hegemon?
  • rolik
    rolik 6 December 2013 23: 51
    +4
    Quote: smile
    Mass Media just didn’t really let them fight.

    Now look at the trial of "Berkut", you see no analogy. We already had such a power that dumped everyone, the army, the police, the people. For the sake of a friendly pat on the shoulder from Bill's friend and another loan.
    1. morpex
      morpex 7 December 2013 01: 04
      0
      Quote: rolik
      Now watch the trial of "Berkut",

      Do you know what else the thugs from "Berkut" are doing in the time free from dispersal of demonstrations? drivers, especially Ukrainian ones, will understand me. So: extortions on the roads, only the amount of compensation is several times higher than the traffic police, by outright robbery during the chase on the roads (a thing that the orangutan in the form of a "golden eagle" liked will definitely move into his pocket), whose bestial attitude towards the driver stopped, planted drugs and edged weapons and other methods. The arsenal of these "methods" is inexhaustible. These are only those that I have come across. And yet. God forbid you to look askance at them or blather something in response about your rights. Kidneys and ribs will hurt and you will get financially.
      Question: What kind of organization do we need at our expense?
      1. rolik
        rolik 7 December 2013 10: 43
        +1
        Quote: morpex
        Do you know what else the thugs from "Berkut" are doing in the time free from the dispersal of demonstrations? drivers, especially Ukrainian ones, will understand me.

        This is probably from the good life they do that? After all, they are paid what Yanukovych receives ??? That's what I'm talking about, with such an attitude of the authorities to their servants, servants also protect it. And about these extortions, I don't know. This year, in the summer, I drove my car to Bulgaria to see my father. Before the trip, I reviewed a bunch of materials, including a video, about Ukrainian realities. The only thing that I saw was DAISHnikov trying to get the money out of the drivers. Nobody has ever recorded the golden eagle, neither in the video nor simply in the description of the problems that arose on the road. When I was passing through Ukraine, on the way back, I was stopped 4 times. Three times DAIShniks, tried to sell a hairdryer, once "Cossacks". But since I am greedy, they did not receive money))))))). I traveled by different routes and did not see any Berkut on the roads, I saw only DAIShniks and local "Cossacks".
        1. morpex
          morpex 7 December 2013 11: 49
          +1
          Quote: rolik
          It’s probably from a good life that they do

          Do you think this is an excuse for this bestiality in relation to your compatriots? Trust me. I’m not lying. And I’m not trying to throw mud or bleach anyone. And there are normal guys in the "golden eagle". By the nature of my occupation, I drive almost all year round. seen enough of them.
          And you are unlikely to be touched. You are a foreigner to them. Moreover, the Russians, for this reason, as I noticed, their self-esteem is slightly higher than that of our Ukrainian citizen. In simple words, they have less.
          Quote: rolik
          After all, they are paid a salary, what Yanukovych receives ???

          There is no logic. Simple Ukrainians get much less. For comparison, a simple sergeant "golden eagle" has an order of magnitude higher salary than my wife with more than 25 years of teaching experience.
          According to the Constitution, the state is obliged to provide me with protection. For this I regularly pay taxes. What do I get in return? "golden eagle" protects the state that does not care about me, its taxpayer. I do not want to develop this topic any more. You will understand me anyway. Conclusion. Why do I need a state with such security officials who do not fulfill their duties? And on the topic: the budget of the security forces is larger than that of the defense industry, I have no words ...
          1. rolik
            rolik 7 December 2013 18: 57
            0
            Quote: morpex
            Do you consider this an excuse for this bestiality towards your compatriots

            On this occasion, I expressed my opinion and impressions of the trip through the territory of Ukraine. As a matter of fact, I don’t know, therefore I’m not trying to challenge it. Just put forward the assumption why these guys do this, from your words, that's all.
            But, a legitimate question remains. Like them, "Berkut" had to react to dudes with fittings, bats and other percussion instruments. Put one cheek, then the other ??? They did the right thing by taking logical measures in this situation. They answered in kind, and whoever did not hide - they are not to blame. Those who came to this rally must guess how the attack on the security forces might end. And now they are trying to pinch them, and the guarantor of the Constitution, their employer, passed them first. The one whose safety they must ensure and, in addition, ensure the safety of other, adequate, citizens.
  • UmaR
    UmaR 7 December 2013 02: 38
    +1
    smile

    Quote: And if we were not shy about the means, everything would end even faster.

    Yes belay , well, you give, and what else would you like to feel free to kill the entire population or something, you almost feel free to try almost all weapons there except the nuclear and navy, you would like to drop an atomic bomb there and raze everything, I then lived in the nadterechny district there, it was relatively calm, not when I didn’t forget in the first war the column of military equipment that drove endlessly from the Mozdok side we watched for more than two hours, they also said the same columns went through the Naursky district and from Ingushetia, and so on further, and to the second company, too, it was something as if we were going to fight with some kind of powerful country or something, we were shocked. And about aviation, fighters of various stripes of helicopter bombers who flew over our area every day into the depths of Chechnya, I am silent about how many they flew in other directions and it’s not worth talking about, but it turns out I’m also embarrassed about the means. And what about the mass media, in the TV channel and on the federal channel, as usual, they report a targeted blow to the population and a group of militants were destroyed, but in fact, after every second such PRECISE air strike, there were funerals of innocent people! There it was necessary differently, the special forces and special battalions, and so on, and even easier to prevent Dzhokharik from creating his own gangs, we must act in a timely manner like this! yes
  • Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 6 December 2013 17: 30
    +4
    Nobody fought with Chechnya, they brought constitutional order there. A full-fledged war involving all the power of the state and methods of confrontation ... And do not forget that Chechnya is a subject of the Russian Federation, where this SCENARIO is IMPOSSIBLE.
  • shuhartred
    shuhartred 6 December 2013 19: 05
    +2
    Quote: EdwardTich68
    They fought with Chechnya for 15 years, and the population there is 1 lemon. And you want to quickly finish off Benderlogs. Vague doubts torment me.

    As if there were some Chechens who fought, and the guerrilla war fueled from without can go on forever. Unless of course the authorities spit.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 6 December 2013 21: 16
      +3
      Quote: shuhartred
      As if there were some Chechens who fought, and the guerrilla war fueled from without can go on forever.

      Yes, Khattab was a purebred Chechen. And undoubtedly the worldwide Zionists financed it, armed the Israeli aggressors, and Hasidic rabbis wrote down fatwa for jihad. / The end of sarcasm - for stupid, stupid sorted out by the middle of the previous sentence. wassat
    2. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 6 December 2013 21: 49
      -3
      So in the Western outskirts the flow of volunteers will exceed the size of the Russian army.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 6 December 2013 21: 58
        +2
        Quote: EdwardTich68
        So in the Western outskirts the flow of volunteers will exceed the size of the Russian army.

        Where are there. Zapadenshchina is sparsely populated, and by the number of population somewhere on the same level with the Donetsk region. At the same time, a significant part of the Galitsa jackals on geropopes washing up the pan's backsides and outhouses, collecting dog droppings, etc.
  • In the book
    In the book 6 December 2013 19: 41
    -2
    Quote: EdwardTich68
    Vague doubts torment me.


    Correctly torment. You are going to go to the territory of ANOTHER state. Think about it. fool
    1. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 6 December 2013 20: 05
      0
      I’m trying to tell these boobies about this.
  • UmaR
    UmaR 7 December 2013 01: 01
    +1
    EdwardTich68

    15 years of war is too much, and the population is 1 lemon, but among the militants, the population was a maximum percentage of 3-4 no more.
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  • polly
    polly 6 December 2013 17: 41
    +7
    You are right, edward. They were bits and there will be bits, because their core is still a minority! The rest are so - zombie ..., do not go wrong only. And those grandchildren will be bad that grandfathers have forgotten glorious deeds ...
  • Tersky
    Tersky 6 December 2013 18: 04
    +5
    Quote: ed65b
    need to intervene at the very beginning, then it will be too late

    Sometimes you don't have to be in the thick of it to win a battle. In 2004, Russian politicians fully promoted Yanukovych (in simple language, they got into the internal affairs of Ukraine), what came of this? Yanukovych turned out to be a "protege" of the mosque, although in reality Yanek is far from being such. But now Putin was extracting himself from this, saying that Ukraine is a sovereign country, and she herself can choose her future. Russia should not fuss and rush to the aid of the weakened Yanukovych. We should continue to take a detached position.
    In vain for Yanukovych, many sculpt the label of a clown, talking with Moscow, Yanukovych complains of "blackmail from the European Union." Talking to representatives of the EU countries, Yanukovych complains about "blackmail from Moscow." The head of Ukraine does not want to dance to anyone's tune. He consistently plays his game, and one gets the impression that within the framework of this game he sets one of his partners against others. The most hardened rascal can envy his cunning and resourcefulness. Oh, by the way fresh -The Ukrainian side is negotiating with Russia on the allocation of at least 12 billion dollars of credit and the possible conclusion of a new contract between Gazprom and Sergey Kurchenko’s VETEK company for the supply of 10 billion cubic meters of gas at the price of 210-230 dollars already from 1 on January 2014, said on Friday source in the Russian government. , read here... Let the maydauns ask the EU for 12 lards, it will "help" with the next injection of brain substitute.
    1. morpex
      morpex 6 December 2013 20: 14
      +2
      Quote: Tersky
      -The Ukrainian side is negotiating with Russia on the allocation of at least 12 billion dollars of credit and the possible conclusion of a new contract between Gazprom and Sergey Kurchenko’s VETEK company for the supply of 10 billion cubic meters of gas at the price of 210-230 dollars already from 1 on January 2014, said Friday source in the Russian government. ,

      It’s not commonplace, but they’ll steal these milenas from the people. The Ukrainians will not feel better from this. Will you prolong the agony? What's next? Again Maidan? AUTHORITY CHANGE NECESSARY!
      1. smile
        smile 6 December 2013 21: 50
        +4
        morpex
        I got the impression that you have already got into this habit of Maidan. Either one or the other side is a little something - rushing to the Maidan. By the way. if you are going to change the Ukrainian government, then to whom? I am not strong in your politics and I do not know if you have any responsible politicians who would really be for friendship with us. I ask Ukrainians - they shrug and swear in bad words ... they say something is not visible .....
        There, Yanukovych sang beautifully. and then how cleverly he sent us to x ..... he sent .... it turned out that he almost brought all of Ukraine there, and he went down repeatedly ... but it’s not easier for us or for you ...

        Since, is there anyone to change, or can someone worse come, do you think? I'm really curious.
    2. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 6 December 2013 23: 30
      +1
      Quote: Tersky
      In vain, many Yanukovych sculpt the label of a clown ...

      Oh, in vain? Remember 2004, when Yanukovych got more votes than Yushchenko and when the court "canceled" the results of the second round of voting and appointed a second round. The fact that this in itself is already nonsense and does not fit into any gate is understandable. And what happened after, remember? Prepared in advance "Maidan" in Kiev and the congress of regionals in Severodonetsk. Janek puffed up at this congress dyuzhe offendedly, was going to be separated by the East to Russia, leaving the regional budgets in the regions, and not feeding Kiev and subsidized zapadentsiv, etc. etc., well, straight rEvolyutsyoner-patriot of the Russian world ... There was so much pathos ... And Yusch climbed onto the "throne" - all these regionals at once by the trunk! I don’t know how Janek and his comrades jerked off, putting them in their pants, and where he dug for about a year, but his tail tucked right up to his nose.
      The second similar congress in the same place, after the elections to BP, when the regionals themselves gained the most votes and received the largest number of seats in the Rada among others. The reason for the congress was the same nonsense and bezrebretnost of Yanek, because the party of Yushch united with the Yulkin bloc, the party of Litvin and received a simple majority in the Rada, and Yanek and his comrades again found themselves in ..., guess where.
      The second congress - it was generally a parody! An unintelligible hum of something, like, "we will not allow", "we will not allow", "victory is ours", "we will defend"! And if you count it on your fingers, then it is corny and stupidly again everything went away ...
      Janek is also a president now thanks to the communists, whom he is now "pressing" on, because Yulka was categorically not allowed to take the chair. On this confrontation, he left with his thieves. The pimply, not poisoned, was also slurping for 2 terms. So what? The same thing shines for this "strong business executive" after his somersaults. He understands this and, a ruble for a hundred, in contrast to him, Tyagnybok pulls himself up, so that it works out like with Yulka. That's all his "clowning", in short ... hi
  • avt
    avt 6 December 2013 16: 08
    +9
    I read his articles on, “However.” Very wittily, he noticed in his last article that the entry into the CU for Svidomo is a complete collapse of the idea of ​​creating a new independent people, the main language in the CU is Russian. So it turns out that everything that was etched for 22 years under root, you will have to restore it yourself. laughing
    Quote: AVV
    If we talk about the Yugoslav scenario, then this option will not work here, although the prerequisites are present !!!

    “Well, you give a pancake!” There are prerequisites, so why a hangover does not happen, with such cool numbers that the leaders throw out - the Euroassociators and Maidanists in Kiev !? Your statement is more like, when he was strangling his wife, and he was standing by and said - "be patient, maybe it will cost." It is your will, but then they themselves clearly described a completely possible and real scenario. For a month, another Ukraine will stand in such a piquant position - spreading its legs to the west and east, as if there will be a default. And there it will roll like a snowball in the absence of a strong-willed leadership. So far, there is nothing similar to the Old Man, VVP and even more so Assad is not visible.
    1. abdrah
      abdrah 6 December 2013 16: 42
      +4
      About 20 years ago I went to the Crimea, upon arrival I drove to Simferopol to my relatives, I don’t remember what it was there, but they shot at night. The walls of the houses were hit by bullets. It was somehow uncomfortable. In Yalta and on the coast it was calmer. It seems that the local Tatars shared something with someone then, but where is the guarantee that if the central government weakens the reins then they will not start sharing again ?? There are already precedents.
      1. rolik
        rolik 7 December 2013 10: 51
        0
        Quote: abdrah
        About 20 years ago I went to the Crimea, upon arrival I drove to Simferopol to my relatives, I don’t remember what it was, but they shot at night.

        I was in the 94th in Sevastopol, quietly and calmly. We rested there very well. There were no shots or explosions.
        1. abdrah
          abdrah 8 December 2013 02: 41
          0
          Semfiropol is the capital of the Crimean Peninsula, Sevastopol is the base of the Black Sea Fleet of Russia, I have never been there, but I suppose that because of the Russian Black Sea Fleet it was calm there ..
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 6 December 2013 16: 10
    +3
    no distinct unifying ideology at all.
    And what kind of ideology did you come up with in Russia?
    1. shuhartred
      shuhartred 6 December 2013 19: 12
      +1
      Quote: Yeraz
      no distinct unifying ideology at all.
      And what kind of ideology did you come up with in Russia?

      And here we are not talking about Russia.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 6 December 2013 16: 12
    +5
    In a "pancake" ... Ruslana threatens to burn herself on the Maidan if the demands of the protesters are not met
    http://rus.delfi.ee/daily/abroad/ruslana-grozit-szhech-sebya-na-majdane-esli-tre
    bovaniya-mitinguyuschih-ne-budut-vypolneny.d? id = 67394706 fool
    1. major071
      major071 6 December 2013 16: 18
      19
      He wants to promote, in fact, these are just words that are not supported by anything. Then he will smear himself, say, or dumb gasoline or firewood is over. laughing
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 6 December 2013 16: 21
        +6
        Quote: major071
        He wants to promote, in fact, these are just words that are not supported by anything. Then he will smear himself, say, or dumb gasoline or firewood is over. laughing

        good
      2. BARKAS
        BARKAS 6 December 2013 16: 28
        +4
        Quote: major071
        Then he will smear himself, say, or dumb gasoline or firewood is over.

        Damned did not deliver wassat
      3. avg
        avg 6 December 2013 17: 22
        +3
        He wants to promote, in fact, these are just words that are not supported by anything. Then he will smear himself, say, or dumb gasoline or firewood is over.

        Most likely, they will fall back on Gazprom again. "mos.kali klyats did not give gas" request
      4. rolik
        rolik 7 December 2013 10: 52
        0
        Quote: major071
        He wants to promote, in fact, these are just words that are not supported by anything. Then he will smear himself, say, or dumb gasoline or firewood is over. laughing

        Then it turns out that they had the wrong brand of gas))))))))
    2. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 6 December 2013 16: 50
      +6
      can send her a can of kerosene and matches, although she can count my goodwill gesture as a provocation smile
    3. d1m1drol
      d1m1drol 6 December 2013 16: 53
      +4
      Burn the witch "!))
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 6 December 2013 17: 36
        +1
        Better a ski enema! And the "sperm" of Dzhigurda.
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    5. Tambov we ...
      Tambov we ... 6 December 2013 17: 35
      +3
      Ruslana threatens to burn herself on the Maidan

      However, Jeanne d'Arc voluntary ...
    6. revnagan
      revnagan 6 December 2013 18: 53
      +2
      Quote: Peaceful military
      Ruslana threatens to burn herself on the Maidan if the demands of the protesters are not met

      Wow! Autodafe! Voluntary! In the 21st century! With pleasure I will see an exotic sight!
    7. Dmitry Desnyansky
      Dmitry Desnyansky 6 December 2013 19: 49
      +5
      need help. Who than can. Matches, taray, lvzh
    8. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 6 December 2013 20: 37
      +2
      Quote: Peaceful military
      In a "pancake" ... Ruslana threatens to burn herself on the Maidan if the demands of the protesters are not met

      Jeanne D Ark Damn!
      Let it burn further.
      It would be more interesting if Julia Telegin did the same!
      Type: -What a bright death! - belay
    9. VKabanov
      VKabanov 7 December 2013 03: 57
      +2
      Let it burn, a small loss for world and even Ukrainian culture.
  • serge
    serge 6 December 2013 16: 14
    12
    There is nothing wrong with the split of Ukraine, if it is a split to the West, on the one hand, and the South to the East, on the other. Everyone will get what they want, what's bad. The South and the East will immediately join Russia, and the zapadents, having distributed part of the territory to Hungarians with Romanians, will move to work as day laborers and plumbers in the EU. No Tatars in Crimea do not blather as long as the Black Sea Fleet is there. The only problem will be the mother of Russian cities, who, having taken a sip of Western life, as always cries out for help to Russia. Like the Serbs, who didn’t put a penny in Russian for fifty years, and with the beginning of the war they remembered that with the devil they knew how many millions of Russians.
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 6 December 2013 18: 14
      -3
      Quote: serge
      South and East will immediately join Russia

      Why is that?
      do not tell ... I live here and no one wants to join Russia
      1. Farik
        Farik 6 December 2013 18: 32
        +1
        Quote: zmey_gadukin
        do not tell ... I live here and no one wants to join Russia

        When there is nothing to feed the children, ask yourself.
        1. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 6 December 2013 20: 17
          -6
          Quote: Farik
          When there is nothing to feed the children, ask yourself.

          don't talk bullshit
          when there will be nothing to feed, we will come and take ... but this will not be
          1. Farik
            Farik 6 December 2013 20: 36
            +4
            Quote: zmey_gadukin
            when there will be nothing to feed, we will come and take ... but this will not be

            Where will you come from and who will you take from, if you are already deep in debt ???
            1. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 6 December 2013 20: 40
              0
              and who am I borrowing from?
              or are you hypothetically? If so, then no theory is needed.
      2. negeroi
        negeroi 6 December 2013 18: 32
        +3
        I agree that these are mostly dreams and conjectures. But you are not quite right either. Now nobody wants to. And when the country really experiences what shock therapy means in the economy, and when it is necessary to pay debts rather than save, everything will be a little different .And after all, you have to repay debts, you still have to, even if part of them is forgiven. And Belarus and Ukraine still lived in the reserve. And now even China requires securing loans, and in the long term debt repayment. In Europe, there is no money for you, so you will join China, and hopeless debtors are not independent.
        1. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 6 December 2013 20: 18
          -4
          Quote: negeroi
          Now nobody wants. And when the country really experiences what shock therapy means

          already passed ... it was worse and no one came back
          I remember well the beginning of the 90s ... now it's heaven, compared to that time and no one asked
          1. Farik
            Farik 6 December 2013 20: 39
            +3
            Quote: zmey_gadukin
            I remember well the beginning of the 90s ... now it's heaven, compared to that time and no one asked

            So enjoy this paradise until you are in the European Union. Then you will remember with nostalgia.
          2. negeroi
            negeroi 6 December 2013 23: 28
            +2
            You are mistaken. You went through the collapse of the USSR, but the break from the tit and you will be a real shock therapy for you. It has already begun, you need to pay at world prices, and you are bankrupt.
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      4. Hudo
        Hudo 6 December 2013 19: 23
        +7
        Quote: zmey_gadukin
        Quote: serge
        South and East will immediately join Russia

        Why is that?
        do not tell ... I live here and no one wants to join Russia

        Hmm, and I live there, and I would ask you not to make such high-profile statements on behalf of everyone.
        1. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 6 December 2013 20: 19
          -4
          Quote: Hudo
          Hmm, and I live there, and I would ask you not to make such high-profile statements on behalf of everyone.

          What else is there, renegade?
        2. morpex
          morpex 7 December 2013 01: 14
          +1
          Quote: Hudo
          Quote: zmey_gadukin
          Quote: serge
          South and East will immediately join Russia

          Why is that?
          do not tell ... I live here and no one wants to join Russia

          Hmm, and I live there, and I would ask you not to make such high-profile statements on behalf of everyone.

          Can I be the third? wassat I also live here. In the Vostok. Ukrainy. And I do not want to "Enter" anywhere. At least now ....
      5. Tambov we ...
        Tambov we ... 6 December 2013 20: 51
        +2
        You do not "live" there ...
      6. Chertkov Oleg
        Chertkov Oleg 6 December 2013 21: 19
        +2
        Filmed by Ukrainians in 2007 about "happiness" in the EU. I recommend! Naked-assed ESniki live and eat margarine "well" as the brown Nazi bequeathed.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWHX7bdhPfg&list=FLiyAOQC9eeUopnlDVdmMzOg
        1. smile
          smile 6 December 2013 21: 58
          +3
          Chertkov Oleg
          I join the recommendations. There is a lot of humor in the film ... but it becomes sad, looking at a flock of maydauns - Russophobic propaganda is bearing fruit .... Thanks for the link.
          1. Chertkov Oleg
            Chertkov Oleg 7 December 2013 19: 22
            +1
            Always happy to help. There are a lot of interesting things, I signed up, here:
            https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiyAOQC9eeUopnlDVdmMzOg
  • stayer
    stayer 6 December 2013 16: 18
    +8
    In fact, I do not believe in the Yugoslav scenario. If the weak (at that time) Russia expressed all kinds of protests and deployed a prime minister’s plane over the ocean, trying to somehow help the Serbs. That in Ukraine, in the event of an invasion of some sort of coalition of forces, will join in full. Moreover, a letter asking for help will be enough. Russia will definitely not stand aside.

    As regards the army, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have at their disposal air defense systems and not even Yugoslavian ones. But the European Union will not climb under the gun, they will piss ...

    Unless they will develop an internal conflict, trying to bring to a civil war. And the bandits will be supported financially, calling them freedom fighters.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 6 December 2013 16: 19
    +9
    Hmm ... As the saying goes, "a terrible end is better than an endless horror." If only peacefully, as in the former Czechoslovakia.
  • Mr. Gambu4aS
    Mr. Gambu4aS 6 December 2013 16: 22
    +3
    There will be no Yugoslav scenario, the time is not that, and the situation is completely different, although the separation of the western part from the eastern is possible, but there will certainly not be such a massacre. In the division of Ukraine, if it takes place (I hope that they calm down), Russia will need to annex the east and Crimea. That's just how then the Westerners will live, or rather what is not clear.
  • major071
    major071 6 December 2013 16: 24
    10
    Here the Yugoslav version will not work, NATA is afraid to go to Ukraine, Russia is nearby. This will mean almost declaring war on Russia. And no matter how now the maydaunas do not tear their navels for creeping into Europe and sending NATO troops to the territory of Ukraine, they will not succeed. negative
    1. S-200
      S-200 6 December 2013 18: 14
      +3
      hi I agree with you!
      beware of slipping into a boiling pot, that's why
      Russia's reaction to such stupidity will be irreconcilably harsh ...
  • knn54
    knn54 6 December 2013 16: 25
    +8
    The EU and the Russian Federation do not need a "Wild Field", so the Yankees do not mind. And why EVERYONE scares Crimea. If Galicia becomes independent, it will have much more extremism, nationalism and fascism than the Balts. The second "Kosovo", but with a Uniate-fascist slope.
    1. avt
      avt 6 December 2013 16: 39
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      The EU and the Russian Federation do not need a "Wild Field", but the Yankes do not mind.

      The EU is in favor of the "soft" option of the Wild Field, when Ukraine will die out consuming EU goods, as in Bulgaria, Greece. Even the Polish option will not exist.
      Quote: knn54
      And why everyone scares the Crimea.

      Wahhabism, as of today, will be more glorious.
      Quote: knn54
      If Galicia becomes independent, it will have much more extremism, nationalism and fascism than the Baltic states.

      I believe the same, but
      Quote: knn54
      .Second "Kosovo"
      in the Crimea, the Yankees can happily stir up. Moreover, as in Kosovo itself, the largest base in Europe with an indigenous population engaged in drug trafficking was located, and in Crimea, they will also gladly settle at the first convenient opportunity, with all the accompanying "goods" from drug traffic.
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  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 6 December 2013 16: 28
    +2
    Quote: ed65b
    it is necessary to intervene at the very beginning, then it will be too late. as soon as the first blood is shed and the zapadentsy will go in orderly peace to mobilize the east. here it is necessary to disperse them through the woods and finish there. What our grandfathers did not do to the end should be their grandchildren.

    Good script, but undesirable. But the split of the country is becoming more obvious.
    1. S-200
      S-200 6 December 2013 18: 19
      +2
      Quote: x.andvlad
      Good script, but undesirable. But the split of the country is becoming more obvious.

      The split of Ukraine is disadvantageous to neither the pro-Western opposition (they will remain with a couple of backward regions), nor the current government (the remainder - without Crimea and the western regions). And for Russia, the split of Ukraine does not do much harm ...
  • saag
    saag 6 December 2013 16: 30
    +3
    Quote: A.YARY
    But there is a maaalyusenkaya correction-EBNa neme!

    What is true is true
    Quote: A.YARY
    RUSSIA at your fingertips!

    And it is also not in doubt
    Quote: A.YARY
    Fleet in Sevastopol!

    Stood and will stand
    Quote: A.YARY
    Half of the population is Russian!

    Well, what is this argument? For example, according to infa news, the Crimean Tatars were going to support Yanukovych in Kiev, in connection with this, someone has a more active civic stand, that there are Russians there, that they will not make any difference there.
    But with the Yugoslav version, this is not such an impossible reality, given that they already threw a corpse of a person onto the Independence Square, found an elderly man who broke his skull, threw it there and died, so the organizers needed blood, it was easier to separate the war
  • Rusich-Svarog
    Rusich-Svarog 6 December 2013 16: 31
    0
    ahhh in the eye of the sun ?? or .... it seems to me or a carbon copy of the American army ??
  • saag
    saag 6 December 2013 16: 32
    +1
    By the way, how would such a feint with chemical weapons as in Syria
  • DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 6 December 2013 16: 35
    0
    Now imagine that Ukrov will begin to democratize at the borders of the Russian Federation - no one will watch idly by.
    1) God forbid, at least a stray bullet will fall on the territory of the Black Sea Fleet base, or even worse, a rocket will fly into the side of a boat or a bomb or mine will land near the borders of the Russian Federation. Even at EBN (so that his family was damned), people were found and sent ours to Yugoslavia. NATO will see that the Russian army is a little armed and what it learned from 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX
    2) Friends and allies in the CSTO (and Belarus, in general, has a border with Ukraine, like the Russian Federation) will not sit quietly in the wake of the Russian Federation.
    3) The UN will listen to ours (and to listen more carefully, they will conduct the Strategic Missile Forces exercises)

    There are many more points. But no one will let them bomb.
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      1. tomas.09
        tomas.09 6 December 2013 17: 09
        +3
        This is the oldest people in the world !!! They were before the dinosaurs !!!
        1. almost demobil
          almost demobil 6 December 2013 19: 29
          +2
          Quote: tomas.09
          This is the oldest people in the world !!! They were before the dinosaurs !!

          But this is just a humiliation of the ancestors of the gene pool! I read in serious literature that the ancient Ukrainians translated from the ancient runes, there is a universal explosion, as a result of which the Earth was formed, organized who do you think? Something!
        2. AlNikolaich
          AlNikolaich 6 December 2013 20: 46
          +2
          Quote: tomas.09
          This is the oldest people in the world !!! They were before the dinosaurs

          Dinosaurs came from them. And then died out. Everything!
          And no more dinosaurs. But a few copies of ukrov survived!
          And now they live in huts somewhere in the forests of Galicia ...
          Maidan is their invention! repeat
      2. In the book
        In the book 6 December 2013 19: 46
        0
        Quote: Sergey_K
        Who are "ykry"?

        This is what Russians call loving neighboring people - Ukrainians.
        or like this:
        Quote: tomas.09
        This is the oldest people in the world !!! They were before the dinosaurs !!!
        1. smile
          smile 6 December 2013 22: 11
          +2
          In the book
          I certainly didn’t like that my colleague called all Ukrainians that way. as evidenced by my minus to him ... but your attempt to blame all of us for this, I did not like even more. Mainly due to the fact that the self-styled, trying to get rid of their Russian roots (everyone knows that the Ukrainian part of the Russian people took shape as a nation only in the 20th century) themselves invented this term ... read the nonsense of some independent "scientists" without a wild you can't giggle ... I suppose you know why :)))) ... it's clear that only the most stupid part of the Maydauns believes them.
          Perhaps a colleague in this way simply called the self-styled bandarlogs, who themselves consider their ancestors entih most ukrov ....

          And we call the neighboring people Ukrainians - just in case I explain it to you, all of a sudden you don’t know - otherwise
    2. VKabanov
      VKabanov 7 December 2013 04: 05
      +1
      At the UN I will listen to what China will say, if China does not condemn, and at least freezes, then things will not go beyond the demonstration of flags.
  • saag
    saag 6 December 2013 16: 44
    +1
    Quote: DuraLexSedLex.
    1) God forbid, at least a stray bullet will fall on the territory of the Black Sea Fleet base, or even worse, a rocket will fly into the side of a boat or a bomb or mine will land near the borders of the Russian Federation. Even at EBN (so that his family was damned), people were found and sent ours to Yugoslavia. NATO will see that the Russian army is a little armed and what it learned from 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX

    Without the order of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, they will not dare to move, and Sochi is on his nose
    Quote: DuraLexSedLex.
    2) Friends and allies in the CSTO (and Belarus, in general, has a border with Ukraine, like the Russian Federation) will not sit quietly in the wake of the Russian Federation.

    They will sit at full speed, no one supported Russia 08.08.08

    Quote: DuraLexSedLex.
    3) The UN will listen to ours (and to listen more carefully, they will conduct the Strategic Missile Forces exercises)

    And with the Strategic Missile Forces it is generally from parallel reality
  • Troy
    Troy 6 December 2013 16: 46
    +1
    As these our brothers have already been sick of, forever from them one hemorrhoids. Let them understand, or we have a little bunting? How much we helped every little brother, but in the end we turned out to be invaders. And stinky Bulgarians also fought against us in two wars. Let them understand in their heads.
  • Manager
    Manager 6 December 2013 16: 53
    +5
    What are you so worried, they will figure out in their country what and how they need. There will be something serious, we will intervene for them. Nobody will give them to the west for devastation.
  • Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 6 December 2013 16: 55
    11
    Guys, and I am now for permanent residence in Western Ukraine, - Bukovyna. We'll have to shoot from the north of the Bandera (Galicia), and from the south of the Romanians. soldier Hmm .. have to fight through to Transnistria ... along the river ... crying
    1. angel-74rus
      angel-74rus 6 December 2013 19: 19
      +7
      We will break through together =) I am from the southern Urals and also for permanent residence in western Ukraine =) There are not a few of them and we will break through a large group =)
    2. shuhartred
      shuhartred 6 December 2013 19: 20
      +5
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Guys, and I am now for permanent residence in Western Ukraine, - Bukovyna. We'll have to shoot from the north of the Bandera (Galicia), and from the south of the Romanians. soldier Hmm .. have to fight through to Transnistria ... along the river ... crying

      Come on, fire support. soldier
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 6 December 2013 19: 35
        +2
        Quote: shuhartred
        Come on, fire support. soldier

        ... and maneuver (c). soldier
        1. morpex
          morpex 7 December 2013 01: 24
          +1
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          Guys, and I am now for permanent residence in Western Ukraine, - Bukovyna. We'll have to shoot from the north of the Bandera (Galicia), and from the south of the Romanians. soldier Hmm .. have to fight through to Transnistria ... along the river ... crying

          Quote: angel-74rus
          We will break through together =) I am from the southern Urals and also for permanent residence in western Ukraine =) There are not a few of them and we will break through a large group =)

          Quote: shuhartred
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          Guys, and I am now for permanent residence in Western Ukraine, - Bukovyna. We'll have to shoot from the north of the Bandera (Galicia), and from the south of the Romanians. soldier Hmm .. have to fight through to Transnistria ... along the river ... crying

          Come on, fire support. soldier

          Quote: Hudo
          Quote: shuhartred
          Come on, fire support. soldier

          ... and maneuver (c). soldier

          "A thought about Kovpak"! Carpathian raid! Come on guys! Fedya Bondarchuk will then make a remake in 3D ... laughing
  • morpogr
    morpogr 6 December 2013 16: 57
    +6
    I really do not want Yugoslavia to happen to Ukraine. But the first language is Russian, Surzhik and Mova. The second religion is the Moscow Patriarchate, Ukrainian Orthodox, Greek Catholics. The third geopolitics is east, Crimea, and southeast looks at Russia, the west asks for a geyropu. The western part of Ukraine is predominantly agrarian, the east is southeast industrial. So there is already a split in the question of how to solve it themselves Ukrainians peacefully and amiably or a fight involving third parties. I want the world ourselves.
  • their
    their 6 December 2013 17: 00
    0
    The article is nonsense, it is simply incorrect to compare Yugoslavia and Milosevic with traitors and puppets of Ukraine. Such a scenario will never be there IMHO. I honestly do not like all the scribblers from the Jewish writers club "However" with their manner of wishful thinking, especially Vershinin, he always writes in this manner defending the position of Zionism
  • Enjoy
    Enjoy 6 December 2013 17: 06
    +1
    Quote: AVV
    If we talk about the Yugoslav scenario, this option will not work here, although the prerequisites are present !!! In the Crimea, the Tatars can declare independence, but Kiev is not ready to restore constitutional order in this territory if it acts like in the capital and apologizes constantly about excessive use of force !!! But the enemies are not asleep, they will feel the weakness of power to tear apart the territory and give it to the Tatars loyal to the West !!! And then, as in the textbooks and script written in the State Department !!! Western Ukraine, central , roll out their requirements, then the forelock will have to be shaved off !!!

    What are the Tatars in the Crimea? There are fewer of them than Russians. They will try to jerk - it will be repeated 08.08.08.

    Especially considering the Black Sea Fleet.

    So do not PR them, let them learn to live humanly. Crimean Tatars have a lot to learn from this point of view.
  • SovMan
    SovMan 6 December 2013 17: 11
    +9
    Let them understand

    So far, they understand in Brussels and Washington. Constantly there is an interference in internal affairs exceeding any reasonable limits. EU team emissaries from Washington are no longer just courting the authorities, they are already participating in the organization of the so-called protest actions and are participating in them themselves. The NATO leadership discusses the introduction of troops into Ukraine. Blocking the work of the government simply knocks down an already weak economy. The power torn to the South-East and the West hovered over the abyss, no one already believes in power, the country is still living by inertia. Predicting the future is not possible.
    1. avt
      avt 6 December 2013 17: 28
      +2
      Quote: SovMan
      West power hovered over the abyss, no one believes power, the country is still living by inertia.

      I'll add a little. The power, like the hunchback, also surrenders the fighters who resist for it. Here the dad grabbed the power and his fighters, that in the winter they dispersed at the house of the government those of his own and who had arrived with red-black flags, did not give up anyone and scored a bolt on "public world opinion" and in Europ they washed and retreated before the time. the breath of Russia for Batka, they did not risk their point, they are waiting for the right moment. And Yanyk and KO are not fighters, well, he is not that, a former convict, a big risk person ", a cardboard fool."
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 6 December 2013 17: 15
    +4
    The Anglo-Saxons in Ukraine clearly want to play like a "Yugoslavian" scenario, this is no longer a secret for anyone .. Everyone in the world already knows how a "controlled house" is created and what happens after that ..
    I (and not only think ..) the feeling that all these orange blue-white, etc. Maidans, swamps, all sorts of marches .. all according to the same scenario of "shows and bread" the bulk of them came to a nightclub (on social networks "sent out invitations" COME WILL BE INTERESTING AND SPECTACULAR .. WILL NOT REGRET "Now the party on the maydaun is absorbed .. naturally. on many thousands of pages in Ukraine there are such statements "In vain they did not come .. it was cool and fun .. adrenaline .. went off scale .. and again a photo! .. Where is this heap of EU flags .. and well-organized provocateurs (special forces" Berkut "there in my opinion, 90 or more victims) I saw a video in them, bricks of kilograms of 5 = 7 were thrown on the heads at the feet ....! Well, that's not what I wanted to say. I have a question who organizes all this organization, the whole Maidan is in blue flags ..spetsnaz crippled .. in Russia, they also prepared well for the marsh, both on that and on our side .. everything went relatively quietly and decently (Kasparov really bit the policeman's finger out of anger .. that's all!))) (he, as he was before the head of the garage, remained at this level ..) call me brothers, Ukrainians .. just expressed a painful problem .. I am very worried about you (and the whole of Russia also looks and reads the news with a breath .. how summary of SOVINFORMBURO .. !!) Hold on, men!
  • Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 6 December 2013 17: 34
    +7
    Damn, I wrote such a post and accidentally killed it. Now I will be brief.
    1. In the possibility of the Yugoslav scenario in Ukraine, I have always believed and always talked about it.
    2. The prerequisites for this scenario are in full.
    3. Quite influential third parties are interested in this scenario. Georgia also had no reason to conflict with Russia, but it nevertheless attacked.
    4. Who believes that the Bandera people do not know how to fight, because they were not prepared as for the Second World War, they are mistaken. They were cooked, and cooked. I want to remind you that they also took part in the hostilities in Chechnya and Transnistria, on whose side you yourself will guess;)
    5. The most important thing, and it infuriates me, the scenario can be realized even without the previous paragraphs, BECAUSE, the West (Ukraine) is now building up strength, is saturated with weapons. And the east is not. And where there is an imbalance of forces, there will always be a temptation to go rattle weapons. The same states are not eager to attack China, India or Russia - they strangle small countries (and even that, with difficulty). It’s the same here.
    1. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 6 December 2013 17: 48
      0
      So it is, the borosopisy are sitting here cheap, I would like to see their children and grandchildren in that guerrilla war in Western Ukraine. And their faces when they receive the load 200.
      1. angel-74rus
        angel-74rus 6 December 2013 19: 15
        +8
        You don’t understand one thing ... Europe needs only WHOLE Ukraine, for the market will be full and the east will be industrial and resource. But Russia does not need western Ukraine at all. Therefore, western Ukraine is not needed separately by anyone =) But on the Maidan, it was Zapadentsev and the four regions of western Ukraine (Lviv, Frankivsk, Ternopil and Lutsk) who declared disobedience to Kiev. Today, the Rivne region has become the fifth ... And in the case of the federalization of Ukraine (a peaceful way of partition) OR ITS MILITARY SEPARATION, NO RUSSIAN ARMIES WILL GO TO THE WESTERN UKRAINE FOR THERE IS NOTHING THERE. THE TRUTH OF IT WITH THE PLEASURE WILL BE DISCUSSED BY ROMANIA, HUNGARY, POLAND.
      2. Tambov we ...
        Tambov we ... 6 December 2013 20: 56
        +1
        Do not worry. In the forties - the beginning of the sixties OUN brothers closed. It will be now, they will close it again, but it seems to me already thoroughly.
    2. PKTRL
      PKTRL 6 December 2013 18: 22
      +1
      "In the possibility of a Yugoslav scenario in Ukraine, I have always believed and always spoke about it."
      You better leave such faith and thoughts to yourself .. Because:
      1) You, with such thoughts .., become one line with the provocateurs;
      2) and, on this site there may be children who absorb information like a sponge.
      I ask no offense, because a serious question has been raised.
    3. PKTRL
      PKTRL 6 December 2013 18: 22
      0
      "In the possibility of a Yugoslav scenario in Ukraine, I have always believed and always spoke about it."
      You better leave such faith and thoughts to yourself .. Because:
      1) You, with such thoughts .., become one line with the provocateurs;
      2) and, on this site there may be children who absorb information like a sponge.
      I ask no offense, because a serious question has been raised.
    4. saxa2103
      saxa2103 6 December 2013 19: 23
      +1
      hi
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      I read here a series of books by Alexander Afanasyev - "The period of disintegration. The Third World War". The author writes in the genre of the now fashionable alternative history.

      But he writes interestingly.

      I’ll write that he writes briefly about Ukraine in 2015.

      In Kiev - zapadentsy rage and arrange a coup with the approval of Europe.

      Poland introduces troops to Ukraine. Pogroms begin.

      Russia introduces 2 tank brigades and the Poles flee, causing huge losses.

      America intervenes - it smashes the Russian troops and the Black Sea Fleet (with heavy losses).

      In Russia - a coup, nationalists come to power and make the Americans muck.

      A lot of chernukha, but this is only the beginning.

      The result - the third world, Russia wins.

      AI books are sometimes damn prophetically
  • HAM
    HAM 6 December 2013 17: 46
    +3
    All the same, Ukraine is not the Balkans, here they are (NATY) and can row.
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 6 December 2013 17: 52
    +1
    I do not quite agree with the author. Yugoslavia was torn by the monsters of the political Olympus, the Yankees, the Britons, and the paddles. and some sub-intakes of Pshekia, Hungary, Romania were aimed at Ukraine request
    it is clear that in the event of a disintegration scenario, a large europa together with an overseas friend will support their mongrels, but vague doubts torment me that Russia will remain silent.
  • Executer
    Executer 6 December 2013 18: 01
    +2
    Ukraine: What if in fact "Yugoslav scenario".
    Then zapadenska quickly turn into Moldova ...
    1. VKabanov
      VKabanov 7 December 2013 04: 10
      +1
      Only Chernivtsi region. The rest will eventually go to federal Poland, Transcarpathia to Hungary, but the Magyars themselves will not be taken away, they can only be gifted.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 6 December 2013 18: 01
    +1
    Quote: Egor-dis
    Damn, I wrote such a post and accidentally killed it. Now I will be brief.
    1. In the possibility of the Yugoslav scenario in Ukraine, I have always believed and always talked about it.
    2. The prerequisites for this scenario are in full.
    3. Quite influential third parties are interested in this scenario. Georgia also had no reason to conflict with Russia, but it nevertheless attacked.
    4. Who believes that the Bandera people do not know how to fight, because they were not prepared as for the Second World War, they are mistaken. They were cooked, and cooked. I want to remind you that they also took part in the hostilities in Chechnya and Transnistria, on whose side you yourself will guess;)
    5. The most important thing, and it infuriates me, the scenario can be realized even without the previous paragraphs, BECAUSE, the West (Ukraine) is now building up strength, is saturated with weapons. And the east is not. And where there is an imbalance of forces, there will always be a temptation to go rattle weapons. The same states are not eager to attack China, India or Russia - they strangle small countries (and even that, with difficulty). It’s the same here.

    Correctly noticed .. What do you think will stand? (plus you big short and to the point)!
    1. Egor-dis
      Egor-dis 28 January 2014 09: 57
      0
      We defend. Not even discussed. I know the history of our region too well to doubt it.
  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 6 December 2013 18: 02
    +3
    we ourselves did it in 90 when the army of the great power was almost “defeated” by ordinary bandits in the first Chechen

    The author of the article is Lekuh. A provocateur who practices his last name and nationality. If Russia fought a war in Chechnya, as during the 2 World War, then only ruins would remain from Chechnya, as in Stalingrad. But it’s difficult to call Chechens bandits, all Muslims fight like in the Middle Ages, cut their throats, create slavery, this is their mentality. Dudaev managed to arm the nation and decided to secede. Armed people are hard to defeat. Moreover, Russia did not wage a full-scale war, because did not destroy the settlements and the people themselves. So this article is a PROVOCATION, do not fall for it!
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 6 December 2013 18: 07
    +1
    The author's surname must be corrected "k" to "t".
    I have not read more delirium.
  • PKTRL
    PKTRL 6 December 2013 18: 11
    0
    "... The" Yugoslav scenario "for modern Ukraine is, alas, not any" horror stories. "But one of the most probable (because natural) scenarios ..."
    What a fright, natural, development option ..?! Is it another mishandled Cossack woman working, "warming up" public brains, to the supposedly inevitable war !? Or "textbook" 3,14ndosovsiy got it on the Georgian-Yugoslav wars ...?!
  • grafrozow
    grafrozow 6 December 2013 18: 12
    +1
    June 22, 1941 who didn’t wait, who would give a guarantee that there would be no “own” in Ukraine on June 22?
    1. PKTRL
      PKTRL 6 December 2013 18: 28
      0
      There are no prerequisites. On June 22, 1941, Europe was already a year and a half, as in a war.
      1. grafrozow
        grafrozow 6 December 2013 20: 59
        0
        On the history of 5 + .... And Spain? Oops ...
        Quote: PCTRL
        There are no prerequisites. On June 22, 1941, Europe was already a year and a half, as in a war.
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  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 6 December 2013 18: 25
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Damn, I wrote such a post and accidentally killed it. Now I will be brief.

    Your post did not disappear, it was published in 17: 15.
  • Koronik
    Koronik 6 December 2013 18: 28
    -2
    It is a pity that it was a wonderful republic in the Union, but as an "independent" republic it did not take place after the collapse, the choice is theirs, on all four sides and the flag is in their hands. And Russia, I think they don’t need them for nothing, so that they can be again "Occupants".
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 6 December 2013 18: 31
    0
    I read here a series of books by Alexander Afanasyev - "The period of disintegration. The Third World War". The author writes in the genre of the now fashionable alternative history.

    But he writes interestingly.

    I’ll write that he writes briefly about Ukraine in 2015.

    In Kiev - zapadentsy rage and arrange a coup with the approval of Europe.

    Poland introduces troops to Ukraine. Pogroms begin.

    Russia introduces 2 tank brigades and the Poles flee, causing huge losses.

    America intervenes - it smashes the Russian troops and the Black Sea Fleet (with heavy losses).

    In Russia - a coup, nationalists come to power and make the Americans muck.

    A lot of chernukha, but this is only the beginning.

    The result - the third world, Russia wins.
    1. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 6 December 2013 21: 07
      +3
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      I read here a series of books by Alexander Afanasyev - "The period of disintegration. The Third World War". The author writes in the genre of the now fashionable alternative history.

      Damn, I have parallels with "The Age of the Dead-Born" by Gleb Bobrov. All the more terrible and bloodier ... Truth without a world war. But still worse! And on account of the victory:

      "The central support of the customs divider, now turned into an improvised flagpole, buzzed with a drunken organ with all its pipes; the heavy flags, flapping wetly with their fringed edges, again clashed hand-to-hand.
      Sandwiched on both sides by the black-and-white banner of the Central Ukrainian Republic with disproportionately large “forks” painted in hand in the upper right corner, fighting off on two fronts, alternately whipped its neighbors. The thin nylon, the artisanal stitching hanging by rags and the squeezed strategic position did not leave the beginner any chances for resolute resistance or, at least, for worthy surrender.
      The white-and-red flag of the Polish contingent of the Operational Deployment Forces of the European Union stubbornly and monotonously beat its neighbors from left to right, sometimes trying to entangle and extinguish the SDG's footcloth. High-quality mesh polyester gave a tangible advantage in speed and sharpness of impact, and a wide, not yet frayed edging and a large length compared to the closest neighbor made it possible to count, if not on a successful grip, then at least serious control of the situation.
      Luxurious Russian tricolor for a long time did not get involved in the ensuing battle. Hanging half a meter lower than the rest with his heavy silk, drenched in moisture during the night and foggy morning, at first, by blowing a multi-layered body with a sail, he disapprovedly pushed off the lounging neighbors and sometimes reluctantly let the heavy slap in the face with especially zealous.
      When the Polish and TsURovsky two-flower trees were sold in earnest and, accelerating under the gusts of wind, furiously huddled, twisting each other in bundles, the tricolor also came to life. Slowly rising to the wing and turning to its full breadth, he, having arched in an arc, sailed, increasing speed, through the air and, dispersing like a whip, with a deafening crash, sealed both flags to the pipes, stuck in this position, wrapped around the flagpole and buried under it both troublemakers.
      The support trembled loudly, and in the ensuing silence, only splashes and yellow-blue rags sprinkled down. "
      (C).
      In my opinion it is clear ...
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 6 December 2013 21: 22
        +6
        Quote: AlNikolaich

        Damn, I have parallels with "The Age of the Dead-Born" by Gleb Bobrov. All the more terrible and bloodier ... Truth without a world war. But still worse!

        This is a warning book written by a fought man.
        Residents of Donbass, Slobozhanshchina, New Russia, Tavria, Little Russia have the right to live on the lands where they live. They have the right to speak their native language without imposing their point of view and not considering it true for everyone. If nationalists want one Ukraine, then it can only be different, such as its history has made. If nationalists want to see the whole of Ukraine as a great Galicia, then such a Ukraine will not exist. It will fall apart, like falling apart in the past.

        Will bring the nits Bandera to sin.
  • uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 6 December 2013 18: 32
    -1
    ) calm, only calm) there will be nothing. for now) since Europe needs our gas, and we need their money) any instability is not profitable. Well, if the current is USA.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 6 December 2013 18: 50
      0
      Quote: uhjpysq1
      any instability is not profitable. Well, if the current is USA.

      This "if the current of the USA" robs half of the world and drowns in blood and house .. (and they have silence and democracy ..) The Pacific Ocean is their main defensive weapon .. (Our carcasses began to fly there and soon new nuclear submarines will swim .. (just in case ... to support democracy like ...) bully
  • negeroi
    negeroi 6 December 2013 18: 42
    +3
    To believe or not to believe in the Yugoslav script is a personal matter. I personally believe in the ass. The one that we, not Ukraine alone, insists on us. As Ukraine has been problematic for 500 years, it remains. As it was with eternal hemorrhoids, so it is and now nothing good is awaiting us, in any situation. We will cost our neighbor, blood, nerves, and dough. There will be NATO, there’s no need to explain what costs and risks await us. There will be no NATO, or the European Union- there will be our own hemorrhoids with nervous seizures, and extortion and tantrums, and terrorist attacks and limited police contingents. Well, there is no clearance, there is no hope, no prospects. Name at least one reason or at least one positive circumstance indicating a successful or even neutral outcome, the situation with Ukraine. There is no them. Ass with two PP, pa and fart in addition.
    1. saxa2103
      saxa2103 6 December 2013 19: 35
      +1
      this is alas reality
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 6 December 2013 18: 43
    0
    [quote = Алексей_К] [quote = MIKHAN] Damn, I wrote such a post and accidentally killed it. Now I will be brief. [/ Quote]
    Your post did not disappear, it was published at 17:15. [/ Quote
    You confuse something dear this post wrote
    Quote:
    Quote: Egor-dis
    Damn, I wrote such a post and accidentally killed it. Now I will be brief.

    My nickname MIKHAN has nothing to do with it .. Read the comments carefully!
  • S-200
    S-200 6 December 2013 18: 48
    +3
    NEWS transmit - Yanek in Sochi flew to the arrow to Vovchik!
    Schaz solve questions ...
    Putin has leverage to bend Yanek (a political prostitute) into a position - "mom washes the floor" wassat
    even the Chinese do not dare to climb across Russia to Ukraine
    Fuck NATO in the drawbar ... and not (all) Ukraine!
    1. saxa2103
      saxa2103 6 December 2013 19: 37
      +2
      Yanek Babos came to ask, the course for the centuries
  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 6 December 2013 18: 53
    +3
    “Yugoslav scenario” for modern Ukraine is, alas, no “horror stories”. And one of the most likely (because of natural) scenarios.

    NATO and the US will not be able to implement the Yugoslav scenario. Russia is very close. When, first, rockets and tomahawks fly and then planes fly, then Russia will not wonder if they will fly to Russia or remain in Ukraine, they will shoot down all of them without asking anyone for permission. In this matter, it’s better to overdo it than overdo it. The Americans understand this.
    Therefore, the Syrian scenario is likely. The armed opposition is trying to conquer all of Ukraine. And since Russia is nearby and the number of opposition is less, the civil war is dragging on.
    America again finds a reason (as in Syria) for the adoption in the UN resolution on the introduction of troops into Ukraine. NATO and the US begin aggression.
    And since there are Russian troops (Navy) in Ukraine, this is an attack on Russia. A variant is possible when the NATO troops do not touch Crimea because of this. Crimea becomes the territory of Russia.
    Perhaps the aggression of NATO and the United States will not be, because it is on the verge of the beginning of the 3 World War. But help in armaments and money will be enormous. Poles will especially try, because they hate Russia with fierce hatred for their many millennia-old defeats from Russia. These will form the Polish armed forces (the Leopards were purchased in vain) and conquer and return Western Ukraine.
    Russia will have to smash its head hard to prevent the Syrian scenario in Ukraine!
    1. PKTRL
      PKTRL 6 December 2013 18: 57
      0
      "It's better to go overboard on this issue than overdo it. The Americans understand that."
    2. PKTRL
      PKTRL 6 December 2013 18: 57
      +1
      "It's better to go overboard on this issue than overdo it. The Americans understand that."
    3. Dmitry Desnyansky
      Dmitry Desnyansky 6 December 2013 20: 07
      +2
      The Syrian scenario is simply impossible in its essence. We have prepared something new. Zhdems.
      1. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 6 December 2013 21: 01
        +1
        Quote: Dmitry Desnyansky
        The Syrian scenario is simply impossible in its essence. We have prepared something new. Zhdems.

        No, most likely again an old orange.
  • Leshka
    Leshka 6 December 2013 18: 53
    0
    let's see how it all ends request
  • Ross
    Ross 6 December 2013 18: 57
    +1
    Quote: Xroft
    That's not easy. Poland buys Leopards in quantity for the whole brigade ..... And it conducts military exercises. From the NATO bloc, Poland is one of not many countries that is building up arms ....
    And high-ranking politicians go to the Maidan to speak (openly interfering in the life of another country)
    Wait to continue ..

    Psheki can. Hate has accumulated and restoration in the 17 century they wanted.
  • individual
    individual 6 December 2013 18: 58
    +2
    The Yugoslav scenario in Ukraine will not take place.
    Russia is not that.
    But a bit of history needs to be remembered:
    "On March 24, 1999, the NATO military operation against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia began, which lasted until June 10 of the same year. Having learned about the bombing of the FRY, the head of the Russian government, Yevgeny Primakov, who was on an official visit to the United States, turned his plane over the ocean in protest and returned to Moscow. ".
    A gesture of a decent politician, but Yeltsin did not support the policy of the Prime Minister and Belgrade was surrendered.
    Now Russia is different and there is no prime minister capable of ACT, but there is a president capable of stopping at least the flying "axes" and the bombing of aggressive NATO against Peaceful the people of Ukraine.
  • PKTRL
    PKTRL 6 December 2013 18: 59
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    Quote: Алексей_К
    Russia will have to smash its head hard to prevent the Syrian scenario in Ukraine

    "Russia will have to break its head hard to prevent the Syrian scenario in Ukraine"
    Oh, I have to ...
    1. Tambov we ...
      Tambov we ... 6 December 2013 20: 29
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      There will not be any Syrian, Tunisian, Egyptian - this is a global war, NUCLEAR! What adequate, except the crazy one would do that ??? The ball is one at all.
  • negeroi
    negeroi 6 December 2013 19: 02
    +3
    For those who are in the tank, the Yugoslav scenario, the author of the article, does not mean NATO bombing of Ukraine at all. The Yugoslav scenario means civil war, external intervention, and the dismemberment of the country. Once again for those who are in the tank. Not only NATO can and can divide. who am I talking to ?!
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 6 December 2013 19: 17
    +2
    <<< Ukraine, just like, in its time, the socialist SFRY - is nothing more than an artificial state-territorial formation. >>>
    And how can it be if, during the voluntaristic redrawing of the borders of the republics of the USSR by the Soviet leaders, Ukraine, "suffering" under the yoke of m .... lei, has grown at the expense of the RSFSR by vast territories in the east and south with a predominantly Russian population, which are now the basis of its economy. And the population of these regions considers themselves to be the same Russians or Ukrainians, the brothers of the Russians, and does not call the Russians m ... ly, like the Westerners, It did not fight against the Soviet army in alliance with Hitler, did not shoot it in the back, as the Benderists did, OUN u ... ki from the West of Ukraine, still enlightening with blind hatred for everything Russian, and at the call of their own blood, together with the Russians, with all the people of the USSR, broke the back of fascism! And with such fundamental differences, it is hardly possible, in principle, an idea capable of uniting the West and East of Ukraine, to unite the people!
  • PKTRL
    PKTRL 6 December 2013 19: 18
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    Quote: Enot-poloskun
    I read here a series of books by Alexander Afanasyev - "The period of disintegration. The Third World War". The author writes in the genre of the now fashionable alternative history.

    But he writes interestingly.

    I’ll write that he writes briefly about Ukraine in 2015.

    In Kiev - zapadentsy rage and arrange a coup with the approval of Europe.

    Poland introduces troops to Ukraine. Pogroms begin.

    Russia introduces 2 tank brigades and the Poles flee, causing huge losses.

    America intervenes - it smashes the Russian troops and the Black Sea Fleet (with heavy losses).

    In Russia - a coup, nationalists come to power and make the Americans muck.

    A lot of chernukha, but this is only the beginning.

    The result - the third world, Russia wins.

    Again .., keep such thoughts with you ...