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China put into serial production a "pirate" copy of the Russian carrier-based fighter

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China put into serial production a "pirate" copy of the Russian carrier-based fighter

China launched the industrial production of military aircraft copied from the Russian deck fighter Su-33. The Chinese copy is called the J-15 (Jian-15) Flying Shark, and the prototype appeared in the 2010 year, reports the Xinhua news agency.


According to the report, the production of J-15 was launched at an aircraft factory in the city of Shenyang in the north-east of the country. The Chinese naval forces have already received the first aircraft and conducted test flights. By the way, J-15 is China’s first attempt to create a carrier-based fighter.

Note that the prototype T10K of Soviet times, which went to the PRC from Ukraine, was taken as the basis for the Chinese fighter. In 2010, Chinese engineers had to pretty much work on the problem of the folding wing of the deck fighters. As a result, in 2013, after rigorous testing under bad weather conditions, the fighter was put into mass production.

According to the Russian Planet, referring to the information of the Chinese military network, the J-15 fighter jets will help improve the aircraft carrier Liaoning, which is currently the only aircraft carrier of the PRC army. By the way, the Chinese authorities also bought it from Ukraine, which the Varyag (as the Soviet Navy ship was originally called) went to in 1993 under an agreement between Ukraine and Russia. In April, the unfinished aircraft carrier 1998 was sold to China for 20 million dollars, ostensibly for the construction of a floating entertainment center and a casino.

Earlier, Beijing was trying to purchase two Su-33 aircraft from Russia in order to take a closer look at the model’s flight performance. It is worth noting that initially China planned to buy 50 fighters of this class, but later announced its intention to purchase only two aircraft "for trial". Moscow then refused to sell, fearing the leakage of technology.

In addition, the Russian authorities were afraid of repetition. stories with a J-11 aircraft. In the 2008 year, Russia, wanting to enter the Chinese arms market, handed over to Beijing a “screwdriver” assembly of Su-27SK fighters, but this step did not justify itself. As a result, China discovered the technology, upgraded the aircraft and began to establish mass production, calling it J-11. Note also that China has already started mass production of the J-10, J-11 and FC-1 fighters, which are replicas of the Russian Su-27 / 30 and MiG-29.
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  1. ReifA
    ReifA 5 December 2013 09: 09
    25
    I don’t even know how this is happening at the international level, but I personally would not sell them anything more complicated than a bucket, as long as they did not pay me compensation for piracy and the cost of 1k units of communal production.
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 5 December 2013 09: 39
      +1
      Quote: ReifA
      I would not sell them anything more complicated than a bucket, as long as they did not pay me compensation for piracy and the cost of 1k units of communal production

      If you think, then no stock of Chinese gold would be enough! laughing The most important thing is not to accept green candy wrappers!
      1. A.YARY
        A.YARY 5 December 2013 10: 11
        +9
        Aleksey Aleksandrovich
        Totally agree with you
        would not sell them anything more complicated than a bucket

        It is a pity that "our" rulers have already stated that -
        "Considering the issue of exporting the T-50, including to the PRC"

        These are the merchants at the helm of power.
        1. Andrey57
          Andrey57 5 December 2013 12: 33
          +1
          So our "effective managers" from "Rosoboronexport" loot obscures their eyes, a kind of "Scrooge McDuckie" with dollars instead of eyes, tell them that they undermine the country's defense, so they will understand what they are talking about! It has long been clear to any state-minded person that it is impossible to trade with the Chinese high-tech weapons systems, especially aviation equipment and air defense systems. It is better not to have anything to do with them in military-technical cooperation! am
        2. AVV
          AVV 5 December 2013 14: 03
          +2
          Do they want to move along the path of Ukraine? They are ready to sell their homeland for the salah, I’m talking about the current leadership, independent, and not about the people, as always, they don’t get anything !!! air defense systems, Thread ready to sell to China !!! And China does not need to sell the latest developments, let them move their brains !!!
          1. zennon
            zennon 5 December 2013 18: 40
            0
            Do they want to move along the path of Ukraine? Who are ready to sell their homeland for the gear of fat

            You are wrong! Homeland is an ephemeral concept, but fat can be saved! laughing And yet you are wrong:
            let them move their brains !!!

            While copying, they will lag behind.
      2. Airman
        Airman 5 December 2013 10: 42
        +1
        Quote: tronin.maxim

        If you think, then no stock of Chinese gold would be enough! laughing The most important thing is not to accept green candy wrappers!

        But what can we do if our dealers from Rosoboronexport wrapped their vision blinds, and negotiations are underway to sell several copies of the SU-35 to the Chinese. The momentary gain is more important.
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 5 December 2013 12: 19
          +4
          our dealers from Rosoboronexport wrappers were overshadowed by sight, and negotiations are underway to sell several copies of the SU-35 to the Chinese. The momentary gain is more important.


          You shouldn’t be so, not the momentary benefit for the state, but concrete kickbacks to the officials’s own pocket is what’s important.
          Stalin Joseph Vissarionovich is not on the apparatus of the bureaucracy of Rosoboronexport and the "era of 37".
          More and more I am convinced that Stalin I.V. was right in cleaning the state apparatus from any corrupt dishonesty.
    2. 225chay
      225chay 5 December 2013 20: 44
      0
      Quote: ReifA
      I personally would not sell them anything

      Really!
      After all, all narrow-eyed slammy, no matter what, let me hold ...
  2. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 5 December 2013 09: 09
    +2
    Well, that was to be expected. Since I bought an aircraft carrier-Duc from Russia, why should I fence the garden! Copy the Russian fighter and equip them with an air group, which is easier. laughing

    PS: here in this area we must fight piracy laughing
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 5 December 2013 09: 28
      +5
      The price for "Varyag" is surprising, 20 lyamas are just for nothing, there are only 100 lyams for metal, it’s interesting who of the Ukrainian brothers received a kickback.
      1. Cossack
        Cossack 5 December 2013 11: 55
        +1
        I will explain about the Varangian.
        First, it was not Russia that sold it, but Ukraine.
        Secondly, the contract indicated that before the sale, many internal premises and other filling should be destroyed as much as possible, that is, cut to the point of impossibility of restoration.
        Thirdly, after China tried for several years or pretended to be trying to rebuild the ship, he bought from the Ukrainian government ALL technical documentation for project 11435, which it had no right to sell.
        In the fourth, the Ukrainian government sent to China specialists from Nikolaev with ChSZ, who were engaged in the restoration of the ship.
    2. morpex
      morpex 5 December 2013 12: 05
      +1
      Quote: Landwarrior
      PS: here in this area we must fight piracy

      How? In the field of armaments, the whole world is sweeping military technology from each other. We also had examples. Remember the story of the B-29 and TU-4.
      There’s only one way out. A tricky device for all domestic equipment. laughing When disassembling -BABAH! wassat
      In general, you won’t copy without technical documentation. Where did you get it? So we have a dime a dozen of Serdyukov’s ..
    3. Migari
      Migari 5 December 2013 13: 12
      +3
      China doesn't give a damn about everything, it acts only in its own interests, and they bought weapons from us that they don’t have, and now they are stamping it.
      Alexander Khramchikhin, Deputy Director of the Institute of Political and Military Analysis: "Whatever Rosoboronexport says, China really refuses to buy our weapons. He chose what he needed and useful, and since we have nothing else, he he does not intend to make bulk purchases, as before, especially since, having bought something, he immediately "redid" it and began to produce it himself.
  3. Apollo
    Apollo 5 December 2013 09: 09
    12
    quote-China has launched industrial production of a military aircraft copied from the Russian Su-33 carrier-based fighter. The Chinese copy is called the J-15 (Jian-15) "Flying Shark", and the prototype appeared in 2010, according to the Xinhua news agency.

    Russia should initiate an international lawsuit against China for copyright infringement (licensing) and demand an apology.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 5 December 2013 11: 41
      +2
      Quote: Apollon
      Russia must initiate an international lawsuit against China for copyright infringement (licensing)

      And China has put it, puts it, and will put it on such processes. Well, the court finds them guilty around (which is not a fact), well, even a fine will be awarded in favor of Russia. And where do you find such a bailiff to get on the writ of execution?
      Quote: Apollon
      and demand an apology.
      Do you have ideas on how to get any real benefit out of these apologies? I don’t have any. Unfortunately, because I personally would really like to see how China is put in place, and even better in a pose.
  4. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 5 December 2013 09: 10
    +8
    The time will come and the Chinese will copy the moon laughing
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 5 December 2013 09: 15
      +2
      whales copy the moon


      Alexander, do you think we should get ahead of them? :)
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 5 December 2013 09: 20
        +3
        Quote: fisherman
        Do you think we should get ahead of them? :)

        And to hell with us three moons laughing
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 5 December 2013 09: 23
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And to hell with us three moons


          wassat


          and three suns
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 5 December 2013 09: 27
            +2
            Quote: Apollon
            and three suns

            Guess where the Chinese fake is laughing
            Hi Apollo hi
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 5 December 2013 09: 30
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Guess where the Chinese fake is

              Here you can’t even determine right away, but they know how to fake it.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Hi Apollo

              Good day Alexander hi
        2. fisherman
          fisherman 5 December 2013 10: 00
          0
          And to hell with us three moons


          ok, let there be two moons: natural and chinese :)
    2. S-200
      S-200 5 December 2013 09: 24
      +2
      better copy for yourself - the Earth ...
    3. predator.3
      predator.3 5 December 2013 10: 41
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      The time will come and the Chinese will copy the moon laughing


      Or something like that!
    4. VAF
      VAF 5 December 2013 13: 41
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      whales copy the moon


      Sanya, the moon is not the moon, but the 2-seater J-15S has already been made wink



  5. avant-garde
    avant-garde 5 December 2013 09: 11
    +5
    First we copied ourselves, now we’ve got to our planes sad
  6. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 5 December 2013 09: 18
    10
    For this, we are struggling with teenage gamers and jumping in music, of course, you can get a nibble from the Chinese, and God himself ordered his milks to be milked.
  7. major071
    major071 5 December 2013 09: 23
    +6
    In my opinion, the Chinese are the main copy machine of the whole planet. Probably they copied everything that they could and could not - they also copied. Soon, somewhere, the cloning technology will be communized and the Chinese dofig will be accumulated.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 5 December 2013 09: 32
      0
      Quote: major071
      In my opinion, the Chinese are the main copy machine of the whole planet. Probably they copied everything that they could and could not - they also copied.

      It would be better if we could develop our brains and not engage in theft.
    2. AK-47
      AK-47 5 December 2013 10: 52
      +1
      Quote: major071
      In my opinion, the Chinese are the main copy machine of the whole planet.

      And that they began a long time ago. Back in 210 BC e. a terracotta army was made up of 8 thousand sculptural images of soldiers, horses, chariots, and the faces of the soldiers were different from each other. Each statue is unique. Warriors differ in rank (officers, rank-and-file soldiers), as well as the type of weapon - a spear, crossbow or sword.
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 5 December 2013 11: 46
      0
      Quote: major071
      Soon, somewhere, the cloning technology will be communized and the Chinese dofig will be accumulated.
      And without technology they will accumulate. They were either plenum or congress allowed 2 children per family, so they probably already rushed to copy.
  8. complete zero
    complete zero 5 December 2013 09: 29
    +2
    I read a number of materials ("Aviation and Cosmonautics") devoted to the Chinese clones - not everything there is so rosy with them ... as far as I remember, they still did not manage to copy the "Sukhoi" internal combustion engine, but (aircraft) without a normal engine, at all other (LA)
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 5 December 2013 10: 07
      +2
      Do not touch the Chinese engines, yesterday the J15 took off from the Chinese airfield with a boosted engine and variable thrust vector, there were no casualties: 300 people went missing without having to let go of the stretched elastic, another 100 died in hospitals from a rupture of the abdomen caused by rampant laughter. )))
      1. complete zero
        complete zero 5 December 2013 10: 16
        +2
        "300 people were missing" - BUT THE SQUAD DID NOT NOTICE THE LOSS OF THE FIGHTER))))
        1. IGS
          IGS 5 December 2013 11: 28
          +1
          There are interesting facts on this subject, though the humor is gloomy ... and not because the Chinese feel sorry for:
          If you start a war with China, and destroy them a million a day, then in a year you can kill only 365 million Chinese, which is about 25% of the total population of China, and is almost equivalent to the annual birth rate of this country ...

          If you line up all the Chinese in a row and begin to crush the T-90, then, until the tank reaches the first Chinese to the last, he will need five overhauls ...

          If you line up all Chinese people who have reached 18 years of age and younger (to infants), in one row and force them to pass by themselves one at a second, then you will see only 18-year-olds - the younger ones will reach this age until they reach you. ..
      2. morpex
        morpex 5 December 2013 12: 10
        0
        Quote: Bashkaus
        Chinese engines do not touch,

        What are they Chinese? The day before yesterday, our "legitimate" President Anusovich rushed to China. It is as if the Motor Sich engines were to be offered at bargain prices. As it all fits together ...
  9. makarov
    makarov 5 December 2013 09: 35
    +1
    So the answer to the question of whether to sell the SU-35 ???
  10. stalker
    stalker 5 December 2013 09: 39
    +2
    Well, what can I say, Made in rank!)) China is a big copier in one word.
  11. Wiruz
    Wiruz 5 December 2013 09: 44
    +1
    But I’m wondering, will they copy YotaPhone too? winked
  12. DMB 1995
    DMB 1995 5 December 2013 09: 45
    +4
    But cho, well done, they spoil everything in the interests of their state and put it in the oath on the world community, and ours spy current in their selfish interests, and do not care about the state.
  13. lotar
    lotar 5 December 2013 09: 46
    +4
    The Chinese, of course, well done, but they have enough problems. I generally think that all their copies only look like the originals, and the filling and everything else requires a very long refinement. This is about the same as in the joke:
    The Japanese bought from us a submarine.
    We collected everything according to the technical documentation. The plane turned out.
    Dismantled and reassembled again, again the plane. They call the Rubin Central Design Bureau:

    - We wanted to buy a submarine .......
    “We sold it to you.”
    - But the boat was not quite assembled .......
    - Read the notes.

    * Notes:
    Substation 1 After assembly, file with a file.
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 5 December 2013 11: 13
      +1
      Quote: lotar
      ... p / p No. 1 After assembly, file.

      p / p №2 give the form of a sledgehammer.
      Substation number 3 to impose a three-story mat.
      tongue
      1. Zerstorer
        Zerstorer 6 December 2013 13: 42
        0
        After assembly, cover with mat)
  14. morpogr
    morpogr 5 December 2013 10: 06
    0
    China Country Xerox makes any copies. One pleases copy is always inferior to the original.
    1. IGS
      IGS 5 December 2013 11: 37
      0
      The price / quality ratio was invented by the Chinese. Their prices are winning, but you can’t divide by zero. laughing
  15. shpuntik
    shpuntik 5 December 2013 10: 12
    +7
    In addition, the Russian authorities feared a repetition of the J-11 story. In 2008, Russia, wishing to enter the Chinese arms market, handed over to Beijing a "screwdriver" assembly of Su-27SK fighters, but this step did not justify itself.

    "Were the Russian authorities afraid"? Ridiculous right. They don't give a damn today. So, some experts are biting. China is a pandora's box. It hasn't opened yet.
    CD with Angelica Varum, for 10000 km. bought from Moscow in the city of Dalian, back in 1994. She just sang, and the disc is already on sale. Another 10-15 years, and they will bypass us in most technologies. Unfortunately.
    Here is what they have in joke:
  16. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 5 December 2013 11: 54
    +1
    Here are the kazly mmmm
  17. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 5 December 2013 12: 11
    +1
    Wish Seven Feet Above Keel "New Chinese Creation"!
  18. rpek32
    rpek32 5 December 2013 12: 43
    +1
    Gentlemen, an absurd idea has arisen: to call in the necessary structure and say that the Chinese are engaged in piracy. I’m thinking: after how many after me after these actions a car with orderlies will arrive.
  19. alex-kon
    alex-kon 5 December 2013 13: 12
    0
    I wonder who the Chinese are going to carry their socialism? laughing
  20. stayer
    stayer 5 December 2013 13: 31
    0
    Pirated software is buggy and does not always even start. Chinese copies of aircraft are also like pirated software, not the fact that they will fly long and fast as the original.
    But the situation is not happy at all. Something needs to be done at the state level.
  21. 006 Feliks
    006 Feliks 5 December 2013 14: 10
    +3
    unpleasant is not enough to say! but as far as I know, they copied the copy, but they still can’t achieve the same flight and other characteristics. BUT this is only a matter of time !?
  22. sashka
    sashka 5 December 2013 14: 55
    +1
    Ukraine has managed to spoil everywhere .. Yes, and we ourselves are not suckers. Everything is for sale ..
  23. polkownik1
    polkownik1 5 December 2013 15: 11
    +1
    For money, EVERYONE will betray us! They will give China both samples and technical documentation, and specialists will help. And for good money, they themselves will sit in our aircraft-tanks-air defense systems and will shoot at us. And you don't need to educate anyone, it's useless. On the arms market, incl. temporarily friendly, only one unprincipled player defiles Russia's interests and security: its own Rosoboronexport, protected from above.
  24. moremansf
    moremansf 5 December 2013 15: 20
    0
    China does not sleep !!! The first Chinese cars were "buckets", and now everything is more perfect ... whatever you say, but they know how to work ... in this respect, they are great ... that it is enough to change a screw for a screw, this is already a new product, no matter how offensive it is to state, but here it is not so simple ... this is a matter of their conscience and partnership ...
  25. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 5 December 2013 15: 37
    0
    Quote: 006 Feliks
    unpleasant is not enough to say! but as far as I know, they copied the copy, but they still can’t achieve the same flight and other characteristics. BUT this is only a matter of time !?

    Absolutely right! This is to be expected. Chinese methods of economic development are well known - this is primarily industrial espionage.
    1. clidon
      clidon 5 December 2013 20: 35
      0
      In my opinion, this is just the case when China did not hide where it came from. )
  26. zennon
    zennon 5 December 2013 18: 32
    +1
    The Chinese copy is called J-15 (Jian-15) "Flying Shark",

    Not a good name. It was necessary to call it "Flying Xerox". It would be curious to look at the turbine blades of what they put instead of the AL-31F. Well, and a special thank you to the "Bratsk" Ukraine, which sold the T10K rank.
  27. kafa
    kafa 5 December 2013 18: 34
    0
    criticize her "falling fish" the Chinese themselves do not want to fly with a heavy load wink
  28. crambol
    crambol 5 December 2013 20: 22
    -1
    As a result, China identified technology, upgraded the aircraft and began to establish mass production, calling it J-11. We also note that China has already launched mass production of the J-10, J-11 and FC-1 fighters, which are copies of the Russian Su-27/30 and MiG-29.


    Fools, they say, are beaten in the church.
  29. crambol
    crambol 5 December 2013 20: 29
    0
    Quote: rpek32
    Gentlemen, an absurd idea has arisen: to call in the necessary structure and say that the Chinese are engaged in piracy. I’m thinking: after how many after me after these actions a car with orderlies will arrive.

    Dear! I am sure that ambulances will not be enough! Are you so offended? Yes, we are darkness!
  30. voliador
    voliador 5 December 2013 20: 34
    0
    They can’t sell anything else at all, if only in very large batches of the previous generation.
  31. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 5 December 2013 20: 53
    0
    The actions of the Chinese can be described as unlimited rudeness. You can’t tolerate this anymore. Despite the fact that China is Russia's "strategic" partner, no one gives it the right to be so shameless! Sanctions and completely stop arms exports to this country. Russia is losing a lot of money in the global arms market. And all these are tricks of China.
  32. twviewer
    twviewer 7 December 2013 01: 08
    0
    Today, our Aligarchs have invested money in hit the sea, therefore we have no reason for wide-eyed, envy:) At this pace the States will soon be kicked back, they will take away the Omerian dream, so to speak, and you are weak ?!

    Threat with our thief is more than for a banana republic, we still do not pull, and no one will cooperate with us, and not because we are red (Russians), but because because of thieves, the reputation is below the baseboard, and schemes may be purely criminal type SSJ100 expenses for you, income for the "international community" :)