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Hungary wants Transcarpathia

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Hungary wants Transcarpathia

The activity of Budapest in the Ukrainian direction is becoming increasingly noticeable. Hungary is interested in Transcarpathia, where the Hungarian ethnic minority numbering more than 150 000 people (12% of the population of the Transcarpathian region) lives compactly, more than 90% of whom consider Hungarian as their native language.


I remember the beginning of 1990's, the stupid delight of a part of Ukrainian society about independence. Ukraine very quickly found itself face to face with geopolitical challenges that no one dared to quit while it was part of a more powerful state entity - the Soviet Union. The date of proclamation of Ukrainian independence is the starting point from which the western neighbors of Ukraine began to look closely at the territories of the former Ukrainian SSR with special interest: Romania wanted Bukovina, Hungary - Transcarpathia. And while the Ukrainian nationalists fought against the “Moscow threat”, Kiev suffered all territorial losses in the western direction ...

Budapest needs Transcarpathia to have a minimum of cultural and other ties with the rest of the Russian world. Here, part of the work for Budapest was carried out by Kiev, who set the course for constructing a knowingly weak, external education-responsive education called the Ukrainian state, in which the “Ukrainian” is proposed to be understood as something that has nothing in common with Russian culture and the Russian world. In Kiev, they don’t like to remember that Transcarpathia was formerly called Ugrian Rus.

Against the background of Hungary’s overall activity in Transcarpathia, the activities of the Hungarian radical Jobbik Party stand out, which at the end of October of this year held its political forum in Beregovo (Transcarpathian region). Among the participants of the forum were the party leader Gabor Von, euro-parliamentarian Beila Kovacs, the head of the party cabinet of the national policy Istvan Savoi.

There were promises to achieve greater funding for educational institutions with the Hungarian language of instruction in the Transcarpathian region, and Beila Kovacs (he, by the way, has his office in Beregovo) stressed that Kiev will only be able to sign the Association Agreement with the European Union the basics of language policy and ... the creation of the Pritisna administrative district as part of Transcarpathia, which should consist of settlements with a predominantly Hungarian population. The Hungarian guests did not forget to visit the monument on the Veretsky Pass, established in honor of the 1000 anniversary of the transition of Hungarians through the Carpathians. It is noteworthy that the guests from Budapest, meeting with the Transcarpathian Hungarians, held talks with representatives of the Roman Catholic, Greek Catholic and Protestant communities, but did not even think to meet with the Orthodox. This selective approach clearly indicates the vector of pressure of Hungary in the extreme west of Ukraine - to make Transcarpathia more Catholic, more Protestant and less Orthodox.

Scoring points on the Hungarian theme was also decided by the not less radical than Jobbik, the Ukrainian party Svoboda. Anatoly Vitiv, a deputy from Svoboda, condemned the visit of Gabor Vona and his colleagues to Transcarpathia, reminded the Hungarians that in 1939 they, having enlisted the support of Hitler, eliminated the Carpathian Ukraine. Ban A. Vitiv forgot only to add that Carpathian Ukraine also appeared thanks to the support of Hitler.

Today in Ukraine there are two major Hungarian political parties - the Democratic Union of Hungarians of Ukraine and the Society of Hungarian Culture of Transcarpathia, which are in close contact with curators from Hungary. In addition to them, there are several organizations at the regional level, working in the fields of culture, pedagogy, in the social sphere. There are national Hungarian theaters, schools, colleges, etc. The Hungarian presence is felt in the far west of Ukraine at all levels of local life - from school to politics, not to mention the fact that around 40 settlements of Transcarpathia regained Hungarian names.

In fairness, we note: Transcarpathian Hungarians have reason to be displeased with Kiev. Having embarked on breaking all the minorities “through the knee”, forbidding them to get education in their native language and putting them under the press of total Ukrainization, Ukrainian officials did not calculate the reaction to the nearest neighbors of Ukraine to such actions. The neighbors waited patiently for Kiev to clear the cultural sphere of the Russian element, and then filed their weighty voice. Transcarpathian Hungarians (as well as Bukovina Romanians and Crimean Tatars) now demand not only the right to receive education in their native language, but also their quota in the local authorities. At the same time, Hungary (like Romania and Turkey), being a member of NATO and complying with its policy of “expanding” this military bloc to the east, exerts unceasing pressure on Kiev, seeking to satisfy the demands of its fellow tribesmen.

Here it must be emphasized that the ideological, cultural and political split of Ukraine fully meets the interests of the European Union. It is easier to swallow a Ukraine (or more precisely, European atlantists) cut into pieces by Ukraine. The weaker the link between the regions and the center, the easier it is to make agreements with the regions without taking into account the views of the central authorities, the easier it is to remove whole pieces of Ukrainian territory from the administrative and legal influence of Kiev.

The meaning of weakening ties between the regions of Ukraine in Europe is to raise a wave of pro-European sympathies of Ukrainian nationalists to take part of the Ukrainian regions under their wing in order to prevent the natural “Russian reconquest” - the revival of Russian identity and pro-Russian sympathies among residents of most regions of Ukraine.

In the meantime, at the meeting with Oleg Tyagnibok, the Hungarian ambassador to Ukraine, Michal Baer, ​​assured the leader of the Svoboda party that Budapest fully supported Kiev’s European integration aspirations. In turn, “schiriy patrіot” Tyagnibok stressed the importance of Ukrainian-Hungarian cooperation in the diversification of energy supplies to Ukraine (10% of gas Kiev imports from Hungary). M. Baer also assured that the Hungarian diplomats are ready to provide consulting services to Ukraine after signing the Association Agreement with the European Union.

The independence of Ukraine, in which the ideology of the Uniate Bandera is taken as a model, is seen by the Euro-Atlanticists as a tool to undermine the geopolitical balance in Eurasia. And Budapest needs Ukraine’s independence and its rapprochement with Brussels as part of the Hungarian project to separate Ukraine and the rest of the Russian world. Drifting alone Ukraine, looking to Europe with a pleading look, Hungarian nationalists will be easier to persuade to meet their demands.
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  1. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 11: 52
    30
    Yes, the lips rolled out, slobbering. Austro-Hungarian ambitions awoke. Bye bye, the train left. We also want all of Crimea, and we have more rights to it.
    1. APES
      APES 5 December 2013 15: 29
      24
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      We all want Crimea too


      Crimea wants us too yes

      Personally, I also want to back Alaska and wash my feet in the Indian Ocean ..... and so that everyone would be happy at the same time !!! wassat

      I think how to draw up my fair historical requirements-aspirations - so that no one has any questions what
      1. alone
        alone 5 December 2013 21: 10
        +4
        or maybe the key to the apartment, where the money is? wassat
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    3. A.YARY
      A.YARY 5 December 2013 15: 31
      10
      Ingvar 72
      That’s what happens when international law, suffered by more than one million victims (ours to a greater extent), is destroyed. One of the main defining rights of this right has collapsed, the UNSOLIDABILITY OF BORDERS.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 16: 07
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        Quote: A.YARY
        UNFIXABILITY OF BORDERS.

        The inviolability of borders is nothing more than beautiful words. When Yugoslavia was torn, all civilized Europe shouted Hurray. Borders have always been determined by force, and they will always be so determined. hi
        1. A.YARY
          A.YARY 5 December 2013 16: 42
          +3
          Ingvar 72
          The inviolability of borders is nothing more than beautiful words

          It is written about - after this principle was destroyed by NATO and SyShyA, the cross was put on international law.
          And now the inviolability of borders is determined by the capabilities of the armed forces of the state, and not by law.
          You see how zashivilis around Ukraine!
          Anyone who is weak, they have a new law preached by all the same NATO and SyShyA.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 17: 49
            +4
            Quote: A.YARY
            after this principle was destroyed by NATO and SyShyA

            No, Andrei, I wanted to say that this principle was ALWAYS relative. He was violated by the Romans, and Napoleon, Hitler and us in the end. The Germans did not just give Kaliningrad to us, we squeezed it out. At what cost and under what circumstances is another question. The border is always determined by the strength and weakness of the parties. Penders are stronger now. Rather, they were stronger, now it seems that parity is being restored. hi
            1. A.YARY
              A.YARY 5 December 2013 21: 30
              +1
              Ingvar 72
              Yes, no. INGVAR 72 - the principles of international law were formulated during the 1st General Assembly of the United Nations, and that was already after the VICTORY.
              What happened before, including the League of Nations, was just bilateral agreements between the participating countries, from the time of Rome, inclusive.
              The system by which we all lived, it was the UN that was created, of course, there were also agreements written under the "Tsar Pea" like "On the Straits" - About Adjara "-" About Karelia "-" About the Northern Sea Route "-" About the Crimea "
              and much more. BUT!
              The system of international law was developed precisely at the UN. That is why SySYA is so eager to destroy it and return to the system "Every man for himself!" hi
        2. Kars
          Kars 5 December 2013 17: 47
          +6
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          When Derbanili Yugoslavia

          And which countries received parts of Yugoslavia? Not previously part of Yugoslavia?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 17: 56
            10
            Brought you hard. I thought you were on the Maidan. laughing
            Quote: Kars
            And which countries received parts of Yugoslavia? Not previously part of Yugoslavia?
            Did I say that as a result of tearing someone got something? It was dismembered from the outside, and as a result, many sub-states were obtained, with mutual territorial claims. hi
            1. Kars
              Kars 5 December 2013 18: 02
              +4
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              I thought you were on the Maidan

              not my style.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Did I say that as a result of tearing someone got something?

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              When Yugoslavia was Derban, all of civilized Europe shouted Hurray

              So maybe then this example has nothing to do with it? Was it an internal affair? Despite the fact that countries that separated without war feel pretty good. In Montenegro, for example, I like everything.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              with mutual territorial claims.

              Does Bosnia and Herzigovina have claims to Croatia? And as we see in this article, territorial claims are also shared by countries that no one shared. At the same time, Hungary has more claims to Romania according to this picture)))
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 18: 17
                10
                Quote: Kars
                not my style.

                I am sincerely happy for you. Although it’s better to say that I’m happy for Ukraine. laughing
                Quote: Kars
                So maybe then this example has nothing to do with it? Was it an internal affair?

                Direct participation of NATO, and this is an internal conflict. fool
                Quote: Kars
                Does Bosnia and Herzigovina have claims to Croatia?

                In Serbia, she, too, as you remember, was there. They shattered her by force.
                Quote: Kars
                Although at the same time, according to the current picture, Hungary has more claims to Romania)))
                Claims bоthe best.
                P.S. I am glad that you still followed the advice of A.S. Pushkin. Errors became many times less. drinks
                1. Kars
                  Kars 5 December 2013 18: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Direct participation of NATO, and this is an internal conflict.

                  And when was NATO directly involved there? I don’t remember that during the civil war NATO soldiers would be there

                  The collapse of Yugoslavia is the generalized name for the events of 1991-2008, as a result of which the former Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was divided into six independent countries and one partially recognized state. The collapse of Yugoslavia dates back to 1991-1992, when four of the six Union republics (Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia) separated from the SFRY. At that time, UN peacekeeping forces were introduced into the territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina and then the autonomous region of Kosovo.
                  .
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Serbia

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  many sub-states with mutual territorial claims

                  It is strange what is it about Serbia you in the plural?
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  P.S. I am glad that you still followed the advice of A.S. Pushkin.
                  A.S. Pushkin? I did not speak with him and did not receive any advice from him.
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Errors became many times less
                  Do you think?
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Claims are big

                  So when is the war?
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 19: 14
                    +3
                    Quote: Kars
                    And when was NATO directly involved there?

                    And who was bombing Belgrade? And the UN there worked in one direction, to please the United States.
                    Quote: Kars
                    It is strange what is it about Serbia you in the plural?

                    Do not cling to individual phrases, see the meaning.
                    Quote: Kars
                    A.S. Pushkin? I did not speak with him and did not receive any advice from him.

                    The advice was mine, remember?
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    No, I just don’t like it when the great and the powerful are distorted.
                    Try and you will succeed.
                    "Our beautiful language, under the pen of uneducated and inexperienced writers, quickly tends to fall. Words are distorted. Grammar fluctuates. Spelling, this heraldry of language, changes at the will of each and every one."
                    Pushkin
                    Quote: Kars
                    Do you think?
                    Come on you, okay?
                    Quote: Kars
                    So when is the war?
                    I hope not soon. hi
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 6 December 2013 03: 11
                      +3
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      And who was bombing Belgrade? And the UN there worked in one direction, to please the United States.

                      It was 8 years after the start of the breakup. It can be said then that Yugoslavia was already gone.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Do not cling to individual phrases, see the meaning.

                      What could be the point in phrases that are written for juggling?
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Come on you, okay?

                      So what do you think? And I never liked Pushkin, and I don’t understand why they are so mean to him.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      I hope not soon.

                      Why? The sooner the better? And what does not suit someone the war between Hungary and Romania?
              2. Beck
                Beck 5 December 2013 21: 31
                +9
                Quote: Kars
                Does Bosnia and Herzigovina have claims to Croatia? And as we see in this article, territorial claims are also shared by countries that no one shared. At the same time, Hungary has more claims to Romania according to this picture)))


                The author pulls the topic of the article as a shoemaker harvesting leather on a blank.

                Hungary has not made any official claims against Ukraine regarding Transcarpathia. And undoubtedly there are cultural contacts between the Hungarians of Transcarpathia and the Hungarians of Hungary. That's all.

                If we assume a nightmare, then Hungary must first solve the issue of Transylvania (the homeland of Prince Dracula) in which about 2 million Hungarians live. Transylvania up to 1 MV was part of Hungary. Romania in this war dragged on for a long time, then nevertheless sided with the Entente and declared war on Austria-Hungary. Two weeks later, the Romanian troops were defeated, and Romania was occupied. After the war ended, the winners, for Romania’s two-week participation in the war, gave her Transylvania, the originally Hungarian region. So, what kind of Transcarpathia can be discussed, this is an authorial PR, as journalistic cataclysms of the weather of the future.

                Another twist of the author.

                I recall the beginning of the 1990s, the stupid delight of part of Ukrainian society about independence.

                How shoud I understand this? It means silly raptures Belorussians, Balts, Uzbeks, Kazakhs were in the population of all the former republics of the Union that gained independence. Presumably, following this context of the author, the Russians were stupidly delighted after the Battle of Kulikovo and after the withdrawal of Russia from the Golden Horde in 1481. What they would have admired would have lived together now in the Golden Horde. Well, what is it? Before you write, you need to think. Or it’s not necessary, and so it will do.
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              4. Passer
                Passer 5 December 2013 22: 18
                +1
                Quote: Kars
                In Montenegro, for example, I like everything.

                Was recently in Montenegro. Full, I’ll tell you, Heb ... oops.
          2. shark
            shark 5 December 2013 18: 07
            +2
            Albania almost got Kosovo.
            1. Sirius-2
              Sirius-2 5 December 2013 18: 38
              +2
              Rather, Kosovo will subjugate Albania. Kosovo Albanians, drunk with Serbian blood, live richer and more aggressive than Albanians themselves. And they are armed in Kosovo in private, but not in Albania.
        3. SOKOL777
          SOKOL777 6 December 2013 00: 38
          -1
          stop If Ukraine joins the EU, it will fall apart, like Yugoslavia.
          The European Pederast Union is just waiting for this ... stop fool
          1. Kars
            Kars 6 December 2013 03: 12
            +3
            Quote: SOKOL777
            If Ukraine joins the EU, it will fall apart, like Yugoslavia.

            And that Yugoslavia entered the EU before the collapse? What do you find such interesting causal relationships?
    4. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 5 December 2013 15: 34
      10
      Gypsies took away from Ukraine the shelf of the island Zmeinyy with oil and gas. The use case is created. Why not bite such a Ukraine from yet.
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 5 December 2013 16: 54
        +1
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        The use case is created.



        And with whose money these leaflets are quickly printed?
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 5 December 2013 17: 12
          +3
          You are just like a little one, at the bottom everything is written, and it’s not very expensive, the "titushki" are more expensive, the hourly pay is cheaper, it’s cheaper to pick up ideas.
      2. morpex
        morpex 5 December 2013 19: 09
        +1
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        Gypsies took away from Ukraine the shelf of the island Zmeinyy with oil and gas.

        And the descendants of the proud Vikings took away the shelf on the Barents Sea from Russia. Also, by the way, with oil and gas. And what?
        1. self-propelled
          self-propelled 5 December 2013 20: 10
          +2
          Quote: morpex
          And the descendants of the proud Vikings took away the shelf on the Barents Sea from Russia. Also, by the way, with oil and gas. And what?

          In this matter, not everything is so simple. Norway, according to the international treaty of 1920, has no right to establish its economic and shelf zones around Svalbard, which means they encroach on the sovereign borders and territories of the zones of the USSR and Russia. It follows that President Medvedev, having signed an agreement with Norway of 15 of September 2010 of the year, violated the international agreement of 1920 of the year on the status of Spitsbergen, contrary to the previous position of the USSR and Russia on this issue ...
          1. alone
            alone 5 December 2013 21: 13
            +1
            Quote: self-propelled
            It follows that President Medvedev, having signed the agreement with Norway of September 15, 2010, violated the international treaty of 1920 on the status of Spitsbergen, contrary to the previous position of the USSR and Russia on this issue ...


            DAM, having signed this, firstly approved the fact that the contract of 1920 has lost force. In international practice, there is such a precedent. But the fact is that it will not return already, the fact is 100%
            1. self-propelled
              self-propelled 5 December 2013 21: 30
              -4
              Quote: lonely
              but the fact is that this is not already returning, fact 100%

              sad of course, but ... as they say "nothing lasts forever under the moon." Russia is slowly gaining strength. its authority in the world is growing. the army is "raised from its knees" (maybe not as fast as we would like, but still). you look and the territory will return. because you always want to believe in the best repeat
        2. alone
          alone 5 December 2013 21: 11
          +1
          Quote: morpex
          And the descendants of the proud Vikings took away the shelf on the Barents Sea from Russia. Also, by the way, with oil and gas. And what?


          Nothing. About this as always silent))
        3. Federal
          Federal 6 December 2013 01: 07
          0
          respected before making sounds, study the issue and look at the map of the division of the sea between Russia and the Norwegians, passed the mutual concessions of the territory where they cut off but grew somewhere, I am once again amazed at the illiteracy of the people sitting here
      3. rolik2
        rolik2 5 December 2013 23: 56
        +2
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        The use case is created.

        The President of the Russian Federation, and part-time also a guarantor of the integrity of the territory, once again proves that it is not a pity to give up Russian lands.

        In 2011, half of the Samur River’s water intake (river water is of great value - about 5 billion rubles. Azerbaijan illegally uses this water, although 96% of the gutter is Russian land) and two villages (!), Before that were part of Dagestan, together with 600 Lezghins living there, citizens of the Russian Federation.

        In 2012, Azerbaijan was given three large tracts of land with mountain pastures, of which there are practically no Dagestan, and the cultivation of which took almost the entire population of the surrounding areas.


        174 square kilometers of Russian lands were left to China without any wars, including 70% of fertile soils. With the transfer of the islands on the Amur, China moved to neighboring Khabarovsk by 50 kilometers. In Soviet times, when relations between the PRC and the USSR were expressed strained, the islands of Tarabarova and Bolshoi Ussuriysky were of strategic importance, they covered Khabarovsk in the event of a military attack. On Bolshoi Ussuriysk there was a powerful fortified area. Now the Russian island of Tarabarova, completely departing from the PRC, has turned into Chinese Yinlundao - the island of the Silver Dragon, the western part of the Greater Ussuriysk is called Heisyatsydao - the island of the Black Bear.
        Russia got nothing in this deal. A safer water border along the river. Cupid moved to land. The "buffer zone" protecting Khabarovsk from direct attack has been lost.


        Norway 12% of the Barents Sea (90 thousand square kilometers. Russian territory). In March 2013, about 565 million cubic meters of oil and gas reserves were discovered by Norwegian geologists.
        Norway de jure gained full control of the 200-mile zone around Svalbard. This is where one of the world's richest fish regions is located!
    5. avt
      avt 5 December 2013 16: 07
      +6
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Yes, the lips rolled out, slobbering. Austro-Hungarian ambitions awoke.

      Rather, Munich of 1933, perhaps even a cross between Austria’s full house.
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Bye bye, the train left.

      And here is no, and there are examples of this in the Svidomo feeling, also Georgia 08 08 08, so they will maidan - they will completely march to the Galician principality, coddled by the Ugolans and Romanians, well, the Poles will pop up like during the partition of Czechoslovakia.
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      We also want all of Crimea, and we have more rights to it.

      But for the Crimeans it’s scary, it’s too painful for deeply angry Russians to root the Wahhabis there because of the dumb malice towards Russia.
    6. PPL
      PPL 5 December 2013 16: 39
      +4
      Well, how can I not remember "Ivan Vasilievich is changing his profession":
      - Yes, tell them not to rush back - let Kazan be taken on the way back. Well, so as not to ride twice.
      “How so, breadwinner?” After all, Kazan is ours! We took it a long time ago.
      - You hurried it ...
      - They did not lead to be executed!
      - Fine, fine! Once taken, then so be it. Do not give them back.

      Time will put everything in its place ...
    7. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 5 December 2013 17: 53
      0
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Yes, the lips rolled out, slobbering. Austro-Hungarian ambitions awoke. Bye bye, the train left. We also want all of Crimea, and we have more rights to it.


      Yes, let it be. They will give the original to the Madbyars ... under this shop from Ukraine, you can saw off the entire eastern part in our favor, and declare Odessa a city-state like the principality of Monaco.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 5 December 2013 18: 22
        -1
        Quote: Geisenberg
        Yes, let it be. They will give the Madbyars their original

        Appetite comes with eating. It is impossible to tear Ukraine, sooner or later we will still be within the same borders.
    8. wulf66
      wulf66 5 December 2013 19: 44
      +1
      In addition to the Austro-Hungarian past, do not forget whose ally Hungary acted in the 2nd World War. Somehow they began to forget their pro-Nazi past, apparently they think that others have the same short memory?
    9. RUS96
      RUS96 6 December 2013 10: 59
      0
      Yes, not only Crimea, remember how the USSR was formed in general.
  2. Stiletto
    Stiletto 5 December 2013 15: 15
    11
    "Hungary wants to get Transcarpathia." Doesn't she want to get a female genital organ?
    1. Angry reader
      Angry reader 5 December 2013 15: 34
      +4
      Let them cover better)
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 6 December 2013 00: 42
      0
      It’s better than a man’s to them in all respiratory and edematous openings. am
  3. GastaClaus69
    GastaClaus69 5 December 2013 15: 22
    +4
    He directly imagined how Hungarian horse archers, under the guise of hussars, annex Transcarpathia. smile
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 5 December 2013 16: 01
      +6
      Quote: GastaClaus69
      He directly imagined how Hungarian horse archers, under the guise of hussars, annex Transcarpathia.



      I remembered Gleb Bobrov's book "The Age of the Stillborn", if yours: Rabbit Senya and Co. will not stop buzzing, the book scenario is even very likely
    2. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 5 December 2013 18: 12
      +2
      So the population of Transcarpathia will meet them with bread, salt and flowers, they are there the fifth column.
    3. Clegg
      Clegg 5 December 2013 20: 01
      +3
      Quote: GastaClaus69
      He directly introduced how Hungarian horse archers under the guise of hussars annex Transcarpathia

      The hatred attitude towards the Hungarians is fraught with unpredictable consequences.
      1. morpex
        morpex 5 December 2013 21: 24
        0
        Quote: Clegg
        The hatred attitude towards the Hungarians is fraught with unpredictable consequences.

        Oh well! What?
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 5 December 2013 21: 37
          +2
          Quote: morpex
          Oh well! What?


          Can you read?!

          Quote: Clegg
          with unpredictable consequences.


          The consequences may be such that I can not predict)))
          1. morpex
            morpex 6 December 2013 00: 43
            0
            Quote: Clegg
            Can you read?!

            Slightly ... By syllables .. I read it.

            Quote: Clegg
            with unpredictable consequences.


            Now you have a question. As I understand it, the first time it doesn’t get to you. I repeat. WHAT ARE THESE UNPREDICTABLE CONSEQUENCES?
            Justify Vasya. (As Zhorik Vatanov would ask) Is the question clear?
  4. major071
    major071 5 December 2013 15: 23
    16
    Ukraine finished playing political games, playing with the West. Now all sorts of "bobiki-yobiki" and a bunch of other things are trying to tear it apart ... everyone wants to grab a piece for himself. stop
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 5 December 2013 16: 19
      +5
      Quote: major071
      Ukraine finished playing political games, playing with the West. Now all sorts of "bobiki-yobiki" and a bunch of others are trying to tear it apart ... everyone wants to grab a piece for himself


      (+) Duc, it’s already played out, while shouting "vyshyvanka in front of a mustache" and "mockley - on knives", in Ukraine there is a full-scale distribution of Romanian and Hungarian passports, plus Poland issues "Pole cards". already cut off.
  5. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 5 December 2013 15: 25
    +5
    Dreaming is not harmful. Even the Magyars ... Although with the Polish zeal "from Mozha to Mozha", the desire of the Hungarians to privatize Transcarpathia looks rather modest ...
    I just don’t know if the Hungarians will be able to capture the Carpathians and other territories indicated on the map by military force, but they will definitely snatch the Lyuli when trying to do this (because the interests of all the states surrounding Hungary in the amount of 7 pieces will be affected). How to give a drink ... So on this occasion it would be better for them to keep quiet ...
    1. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 5 December 2013 18: 22
      +1
      Under the guise of protecting ethnic Hungarians from oppression of Kiev authorities and shabby democratic values. Yes, with such a mess in Ukraine and its spoiled relations with the EU, everything is possible, well, not direct aggression, for example, the introduction of police forces under the roof of the EU. Yanukovych will not twitch, he will only moan and wring his hands loudly, and the opposition will do so. In general, the development of the scenario in this vein is possible, even if at first glance fantastic. But as you read the pearls of Europolitics in the press, you can expect just about anything.
  6. 311ove
    311ove 5 December 2013 15: 27
    +3
    The Hobbit is a member of the Jobbit Party! Oh, sorry for the USSR! But these "broad Ukrainians" have always been like this - while on ".iv" someone else constantly sharpened their teeth ... silt (Germans, the same Magyars .... Poles)
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 5 December 2013 19: 08
      0
      Whose name does the party have in Russian at all. What are they even doing with them there?
  7. Mhpv
    Mhpv 5 December 2013 15: 29
    12
    By refusing to associate with the EU, Yanukovych revealed the true face of this EU and showed what Ukraine is for there - everyone is ready to tear this country, even those who were previously unsuitable for it. Poland, Hungary, Romania and this is not a complete list.
    1. major071
      major071 5 December 2013 15: 55
      11
      Ukraine should remember that once the Indians allowed geyropeytsy (future Amers) into their territory. And where are these Indians and their land now? stop
  8. Megatron
    Megatron 5 December 2013 15: 29
    -6
    Well, let them share, we do not need these Hungarians, Western Bendera, Romanians and others like them.
    We will take Crimea and the eastern regions.
    1. andranick
      andranick 5 December 2013 17: 42
      +4
      Today, part of Ukraine is not needed, tomorrow - will we give part of Russia?
      Although I myself do not burn with love for zapadentsev, but to give the territory of their residence to some kind of Europe ?! Come on!
      Any indulgence by vultures is regarded as a manifestation of weakness and a signal that the "client" is ready. Any indulgence in the Ukrainian issue on the part of Russia will be a signal to the eastern mongrels of Europe to "tear" Ukraine and then take over Russia.
      1. alexdol
        alexdol 5 December 2013 20: 03
        +5
        andranick RU "Today part of Ukraine is not needed, tomorrow - will we give part of Russia?"
        ---------------------------------------------------------------
        Speak absolutely right! I fully support! And I don't really like "zapadentsev" even though I understand that there are good and bad people everywhere! Whatever one may say and however much they / zapadentsam / did not want to, but they are all RUSSIAN! My acquaintance with Oles Buzina began with an article in the newspaper "Segodnya" "Rus triune". There were also the following words: whatever one may say, but according to historical logic, even every three Bender nationalist in the past was still RUSSIAN! For example, I am amazed at how many "Ukrainians" are there, how many Russians, etc. There is basically the entire Russian population, whoever considers themselves to be anyone, with the exception of those who came from the Caucasus, Central Asia and now even from the East: the Chinese, the Vietnamese ... yes, and they also came from Africa! Here they are for sure - not Russian, although their children have heard it myself, they speak Russian completely without an accent.
        And since "ukraina" is Russian land, then it must be returned HOME, and not scattered about it! I have come across statements: why do we need this poor country! A simple example. The separatists dream of destroying Russia. Let's say that something happened to them, well, about the same as with Ukraine. This territory will fall into decay and that after that it should not be RETURNED? So you are absolutely correct:
        Any indulgence in the Ukrainian issue on the part of Russia will be a signal to the eastern mongrels of Europe to "tear" Ukraine and then take over Russia.
        1. andranick
          andranick 6 December 2013 08: 21
          +1
          Quote: alexdol
          Here, basically, the entire Russian population, whoever considers himself to be who
          I know. We know. That is why it is painful to see how Russia and Ukraine are dividing and playing off an essentially single people. "Divide and Conquer" - as simple and effective as Kalash, the principle in action
        2. andranick
          andranick 6 December 2013 09: 22
          0
          Quote: andranick
          And since "ukraina" is Russian land, then it must be returned HOME, and not scattered about it! I have come across statements: why do we need this poor country!
          Unfortunately, it is now impossible to touch Ukraine. I’ll try to explain my position on the example of a small child, because as a state Ukraine is just as young. And everyone knows that young children cling to the entire infection in a row. To develop immunity, the child must be ill with this infection, sometimes it is necessary to crush pity in oneself and for the sake of the future child itself, allow the body to cope with the problem itself. And it is necessary, if possible, to isolate this child.
          Let's go back to Ukraine. Above, the state is currently sick with hatred, and this hatred is implanted and cultivated from the outside (which of the Europeans has not yet had time to appear on the Maidan?). Hatred of everything Russian - so that there is no thought to unite with Russia. Internal hatred (east, west, Crimea, "Yes, they shit in my entrance!", People to Berkut, Berkut to people) is a distraction from pressing problems, preparing the ground for dividing the country if something happens. How to get rid of these problems? I don’t know, I don’t see an acceptable solution. Join Russia? If this is done now, there will be a fratricidal war. It will start with riots, Moscow will bring in troops, and it rushed - "damned, I am a Nazi muzzle, you are again spreading rot on the Ukrainian people, beat her!" Ukraine will be torn apart. Not now, but when? When Ukraine gets rid of the internal filth. How can this be achieved? And to join the European Union. Wait half a year, a year, until all the rats run away, while the lost ones come to their senses. And then - to unite. But at the same time, not an inch of land should be given to the Eurek people! And don't give a damn about statements like
          why do we need this poor country!
          . I need it. In any condition. Will always be needed. But having been ill, and cleansed of filth.
          This is my position, who likes and who doesn't. Who will minus - please explain what do not agree with.
          1. alexdol
            alexdol 6 December 2013 22: 06
            0
            andranick RU "I will try to explain my position by the example of a small child, because the state of Ukraine is just as young."

            I’ll say right away that I don’t bet anything for you, neither plus nor minus. And now I will try to answer, to object. I will only emphasize that this is also MY OPINION and you have the right to disagree with him! Your opinion has a place to be, but the comparison with a child is not correct here! The child is just growing and gaining intelligence of reason, but here is a slightly different situation! To begin with, this "young state" was formed by a SCAM! Trampling on the results of the REFERENDUM, the holy trinity in the person of the drunkard Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kravchuk did their dirty deed! And everyone knows about it today, but for some reason they CANNOT change anything! That is, the state was created by quite adult people who are fully responsible for their actions! It would be nice to punish these "adult" uncles today, but it was not there! A few words about "hatred". So today this hatred is cultivated EVERYWHERE, not only in "Ukraine" and by all means! If earlier they adhered to the slogan: man to man is a friend, comrade and brother! , then today a culture of NAVY is being planted, again I will repeat it EVERYWHERE! And this sul leads only to enmity, hatred, suspicion, etc. in short, KILLS THE MAN IN THE MAN!
            They are trying to instill this cult of the "golden god" in our people ... While our enemies have succeeded in this direction, unfortunately, here we are reaping sad fruits ... They say that in the 21st century SPIRITUALITY inherent in the Russian people should win ... I would like believe it ...
            1. andranick
              andranick 9 December 2013 08: 00
              0
              I don’t refuse to compare with a child, as the state of Ukraine is a baby (this I optimistically believe in the future of the statehood of Ukraine). And taking advantage of this (the euphoria of independence, "independence", "freedom", etc., you know yourself) Western civilization is raising this baby for itself. And in my opinion, the West does not need a strong Ukraine (and Russia, of course, too), and therefore it will infect the brains of Ukrainians with an infection of discord.
              We have already passed this, and are passing now. Great pressure is also exerted on us, including pitting the Ukrainian and Russian peoples.
              Otherwise, our opinions not only do not contradict each other, but rather complement them.
              Quote: alexdol
              If you used to adhere to the slogan: man is friend to man, comrade and brother! , then today the COLOR OF LIVING is planted, I will repeat ANYWHERE again! And this kul only leads to enmity, hatred, suspicion, etc. in short KILLS A MAN IN A MAN!
              They are trying to instill this cult of the "golden god" in our people ... While our enemies have succeeded in this direction, unfortunately, here we are reaping the sad fruits ...
              But what can I say, from this went the collapse of the Union. And really figs what you do.
  9. sergey72
    sergey72 5 December 2013 15: 41
    +3
    Hungarians remind more of Poles - claims to everyone ... By the way, dummies aimed at Moldova, but here such a threat to the anus ..... gayropic manners in action laughing
  10. knn54
    knn54 5 December 2013 15: 45
    15
    The Hungarians waited until Kiev cleaned the sphere of culture from the Russian element. And now Transcarpathian Hungarians (like the Romanians of Bukovina, Crimean Tatars) now demand not only the right to receive education in their native language, but also their quota in local authorities. At the same time, Hungary (like Romania), as NATO members, is pursuing a course of "expansion" of the bloc to the east.
    It is easier to swallow Ukraine, sawn into pieces, in Europe (and ALL authorities did not strengthen the center’s connection with the region). In the territory of Transcarpathia now lives more than 140 thousand ethnic Hungarians-12% of the total population. The Hungarian authorities give them "certificates of foreign Hungarians", and in fact, a passport. Instead of euro integration, we get EURO INTERVENTION!
    PS Before the "Great Migration of Peoples" in the territory of Transcarpathia and parts of modern Hungary there was a Slavic principality of Rusyns. The nomadic Magyars literally slaughtered the local population and, as they say in school textbooks, “acquired their historical Motherland” ...
    1. avt
      avt 5 December 2013 16: 18
      +4
      Quote: knn54
      The Hungarians waited until Kiev cleaned the sphere of culture from the Russian element.

      Exactly ! It was the internal policy of Svidomo that led to the fact that the project "independent state of Ukraine" is on the verge of fragmentation, not even federalization. The more Maidan residents are, the closer the real default and devaluation of the hryvnia with the corresponding consequences. lesson, it's easier to throw money in the trash, there you can still pick it up, but there is no one inside request so if the government publicly ,, Berkut "surrenders which protects it ...., they will simply tear apart and take more pieces, who will take as much.
  11. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 5 December 2013 15: 47
    +3
    If the Westerners fall off from Ukraine, then they themselves will stick to someone. Not "our" people live there. Let them felled.
  12. Galich Kos
    Galich Kos 5 December 2013 15: 48
    +3
    Save who can, Hungary requires territory !!! All at once wildly scared and gave the required.
  13. pensioner
    pensioner 5 December 2013 15: 51
    +6
    the activities of the Hungarian radical Jobbik party stand out,
    So I want the letter U in front and the letter And put the ent behind the name ... And when did these Hungarians have imperial self-consciousness formed? Or just jackals habits?
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 5 December 2013 16: 03
      +6
      Quote: retired
      imperial identity formed? Or just jackals habits

      Both that and another, Hungary the second after Poland hospital with megalomania ... wassat
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 5 December 2013 19: 02
        +4
        Quote: sergey72
        the second after Poland hospital with megalomania.

        Third-Great Romania in idiocy ahead of all Logs stretch behind them laughing
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 5 December 2013 22: 35
          +2
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Third-Great Romania in idiocy ahead of all Logs stretch behind them

          Not. Logs are out of competition. Hi Ruslan !! hi drinks Well, how all the devils shot? If not all, contact. I will help. They don’t come to me anymore. I will share the methods ...
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 5 December 2013 22: 38
            +2
            Hi drinks
            Quote: retired
            shot all the devils? If not all, contact. I will help.

            And who will I send for beer then? wassat
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 5 December 2013 22: 41
              +2
              Quote: Ruslan67
              And who will I send for beer then?

              Really fool ... And I did not take this moment into account .... I myself have to recourse . True, I need to run less often .... I don’t drink beer ... repeat
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 5 December 2013 22: 43
                +2
                Quote: retired
                ..And I did not take this moment into account.

                That is, first we shoot then think? Well, while you go there is time to work on the bugs laughing
                1. pensioner
                  pensioner 5 December 2013 22: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  That is, first we shoot then think?

                  laughing laughing Don’t say ... With marriage, the same garbage recourse Until recently, they have also become impudent. They began to drink my vodka ...
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 5 December 2013 22: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: retired
                    They began to drink my vodka ...

                    Yes, I suppose with my wife ... tongue
              2. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 5 December 2013 22: 44
                +2
                Quote: retired
                . I don’t drink beer ...

                By the way, I’m also a heart request But son-in-law ... wassat
                1. pensioner
                  pensioner 5 December 2013 22: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  By the way, I’m also a heart

                  I feel, you and I are from the same faculty yes But let's not talk about sad things ... Does your brother-in-law even run fast? By the way: the cores are supposed to sleep at this time. At work, or what?
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 5 December 2013 23: 01
                    +2
                    Quote: retired
                    At work, or what?

                    At home And as it should be for pensioners, I go to bed about five o'clock in the morning about myself
                    1. pensioner
                      pensioner 5 December 2013 23: 17
                      +1
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      I go to bed at five in the morning local

                      Strong! And I have a serious exam tomorrow. I also want to repeat these fucking safety rules in the NSP at night. But so reluctant recourse ... And you won’t drink the main thing. That's the trouble ... crying
                      1. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 5 December 2013 23: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: retired
                        .And not drink

                        This is you in vain request How to drink it all at once it will become clear and understandable to the last point The main thing will be to convey this knowledge to the dumbass wassat
                      2. pensioner
                        pensioner 5 December 2013 23: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        How to drink it all at once it will become clear and understandable to the last point The main thing will be to convey this knowledge to the dumbass

                        Yes you what! I will bend from hypoxia! God forbid to GOS (!) Inspector RTN breathe !!! Immediately am
                2. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 5 December 2013 23: 02
                  +2
                  Quote: retired
                  Does the brother-in-law even run fast?

                  Looking from whom what bully
                  1. pensioner
                    pensioner 5 December 2013 23: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Looking from whom

                    I look respects elders ... Good boy.
                    1. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 5 December 2013 23: 16
                      +3
                      Quote: retired
                      .Good boy.

                      The boy recently turned 36 years old wassat But it happens fool how small repeat
                    2. pensioner
                      pensioner 5 December 2013 23: 19
                      +4
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      The boy recently turned 36 years old

                      If only speed qualities were not affected yes
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      But it happens like a little
                      What, a bottle of fresh from fishing back brings, or what ?? belay
                    3. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 5 December 2013 23: 23
                      +3
                      Quote: retired
                      a bottle of fresh from fishing back brings,

                      I would kill immediately that would not multiply am Just a computer specialist with teacher education, and this is a diagnosis
                    4. pensioner
                      pensioner 5 December 2013 23: 27
                      +1
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      computer specialist with teacher education and this is a diagnosis

                      You won't believe it !!! I have a musician son who graduated from the Pedagogical Institute with a degree in Computer Technologies in Music !!! And now he wants to do a disser on CULTUROLOGY !!! Here in the course of 3 diagnoses! Yes, more ... I handed over to my mother at a time. Doesn't drink in principle. You can't send it to the store ... crying But money is needed ...
                3. Beck
                  Beck 5 December 2013 23: 48
                  +3
                  Quote: retired
                  I look respects elders ... Good boy.


                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  The boy recently turned 36 years old But it happens like a little


                  Yeah!

                  The pensioner and Ruslan went heart to heart. I feel already drinking together, clinking glasses with the monitor. All the best to you, only then do not forget to turn off the computers.

                  hi drinks fellow wassat tongue laughing
                4. pensioner
                  pensioner 5 December 2013 23: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: Beck
                  then do not forget to turn off computers.

                  Yes, this one dragging me off once!am
                  Thanks Beck! hi Join us! drinks
                5. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 6 December 2013 00: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: Beck
                  Good luck,

                  Similarly! drinks hi
                6. pensioner
                  pensioner 6 December 2013 00: 05
                  +1
                  Laughter laughter and I repeated 37 questions! I haven’t drunk all the memory yet! There is something to strive for! 56 left ... crying As General Buldakov used to say: "Where is everyone ??".
                7. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 6 December 2013 00: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: retired
                  I haven’t drunk all the memory yet! There is something to strive for! 56 left ...

                  56 what belay percent memory or non-repetitive .. non-repeated questions? laughing
                8. pensioner
                  pensioner 6 December 2013 00: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  56 what percent of memory or non-repetitive .. non-repeated questions?

                  Yes, only 56 ... And something less crying
            2. Beck
              Beck 6 December 2013 00: 13
              +1
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Similarly!


              Guys, maybe that's enough for you, huh? By your nicknames you can see that they went over. One on a log was stretched out without strength, the other cannot raise his head, he crawls on ice. Leave for tomorrow.

              hi drinks stop crying sad negative
            3. pensioner
              pensioner 6 December 2013 00: 19
              +1
              Quote: Beck
              One on a log was stretched out without strength, the other cannot lift his head, he crawls on ice ..

              Yes, I’m lying on a log for only a month ... Ilya Muromets won out loud ... And Ruslan has already polished all the ice in St. Petersburg for so many years ... It works every day until 5-00 every day! . So Beck is a clinic here ... How is it in the den of the enemy? Not scary? Or already drinks not scary? You look! am Don’t give out secrets!
            4. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 6 December 2013 00: 25
              +1
              Quote: retired
              already all the ice in St. Petersburg has been polished for so many years.

              Wasn't the log rubbed for a month? tongue
              Quote: retired
              here is the clinic.

              The same doctor-pokhmetologist found me laughing
            5. pensioner
              pensioner 6 December 2013 00: 36
              0
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Wasn't the log rubbed for a month?

              There is some. Not critical ... Well ... I, too, him ... repeat
            6. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 6 December 2013 00: 39
              +2
              Quote: retired
              ..I mean him too ...

              Yura I share good Know-how-exclusive logs polished with wild bear eggs good belay wassat
            7. pensioner
              pensioner 6 December 2013 00: 46
              +1
              Quote: Ruslan67
              I share. Know-how-exclusive logs polished with wild bear eggs

              I take in a share. Purely because the polar bear has more eggs fellow . And I wouldn’t even talk stop .
            8. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 6 December 2013 00: 47
              +1
              Quote: retired
              the polar bear has more eggs

              Well not only repeat wassat
            9. pensioner
              pensioner 6 December 2013 00: 54
              0
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Well not only

              No, well, there are no options. What am I ? I don’t understand what? Eh ... Okay! Baba Yaga is yours! For myself, the coast, but not fate, apparently ...recourse
            10. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 6 December 2013 00: 58
              +2
              Quote: retired
              Okay! Baba Yaga is yours!

              Have agreed good You take care of logs and I'm Yaga wassat
            11. pensioner
              pensioner 6 December 2013 01: 13
              0
              Quote: Ruslan67
              You take care of logs and I'm Yaga

              Nihrenase is an assistant! No ... Let’s somehow get enough of your eggs and logs. At least for finishing polishing.
            12. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 6 December 2013 01: 15
              +1
              Quote: retired
              At least for finishing polishing.

              Since polar bears in the Red Book, they are especially valuable causals. So, only for pre-sale preparation for VIP clients. request laughing
            13. pensioner
              pensioner 6 December 2013 01: 26
              0
              Quote: Ruslan67
              So only for pre-sale preparation for VIP customers

              Okay ... At least so. recourse But so that after you, the glass shines like glass !!
            14. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 6 December 2013 01: 29
              +2
              Quote: retired
              But so that after you, the glass shines like glass !!

              Look at the avu without looking up laughing whole ass in soap wassat
            15. pensioner
              pensioner 6 December 2013 01: 40
              +1
              Quote: Ruslan67
              without raising faces the whole ass in soap

              I see that there is a skill ... There is a falcon 777 someone wrote below, but I don’t understand what he wrote ... Maybe you will read and translate: what was that?
  14. Beck
    Beck 6 December 2013 00: 26
    +1
    Quote: retired
    How is it in the den of the enemy? Not scary? Or is it not scary anymore?


    If it’s serious, then I have already gotten providers or kam there, belayna and so on. Regularly, they change my flag for a mattress to me, they say technical misunderstandings. And the newcomers to the site because of this mattress, they let down all the dogs on me, I think what Mr. Twister.
  15. pensioner
    pensioner 6 December 2013 00: 40
    0
    Quote: Beck
    I think what Mr. Twister.

    I believe that he is not wink . But the sediment remains ... repeat
  16. SOKOL777
    SOKOL777 6 December 2013 01: 08
    0
    And you change the avatar for a bear, immediately the flag will change ...
    laughing tongue fool
  17. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 6 December 2013 00: 23
    +2
    Quote: Beck
    Leave for tomorrow.

    Never leave for tomorrow what you can drink today drinks wassat
  18. pensioner
    pensioner 6 December 2013 00: 34
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Never leave for tomorrow what you can drink today

    hi hi hi In-in ... And then the next day and there will be nothing ... Then here and think: "Who is this bastard ??am". This is how the character gets spoiled ... I got to the finish line! There are 24 left. For those who are especially meticulous, I explain: a question. I did not find answers to 2 questions. Damn! As luck would have it ..." crying
  19. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 6 December 2013 00: 46
    +1
    Quote: retired
    I did not find answers to 2 questions.

    Who's guilty? and what to do? laughing
  20. pensioner
    pensioner 6 December 2013 00: 57
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Who's guilty? and what to do?

    Yes, this is a kindergarten ... Everyone knows the answers to these questions. But "where the utility rooms should be located on the territory of the well being repaired" is not Goethe's Faust ...
  21. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 6 December 2013 01: 02
    +1
    Quote: retired
    it's not you Goethe Faust ...

    Listen, Rembrandt from the Hrenwood Forest - Where did you get those words? what wassat
  22. pensioner
    pensioner 6 December 2013 01: 04
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Rembrandt from the Hrenwood Forest
    what
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Where did you get these words?

    The wife is smart ... And I just remember ... 56% is left ... Ugh-ff! I looked through everything like. What do you think: is it worth another run (for questions) or nihihahn?
  23. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 6 December 2013 01: 12
    +2
    Quote: retired
    worth a run again

    It’s worth running away again so that the tailed Becks do not say there laughing
  24. pensioner
    pensioner 6 December 2013 01: 23
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan67
    It’s worth running away again so that the tailed Becks do not say there

    Not an option unfortunately. Tomorrow we'll catch up with the brothers alcoholic physicists. And Beck used to be like the Kazakh flag ... To be honest, I don't look closely at the people on the site. There are 10 people with whom I correspond. I even got acquainted with the 2nd in Eburg: "Stroibat of the reserve" and "ben gun". Lovely young guys! From time to time we ferment together. We went to the museum in V. Pyshma together. A wonderful museum of military equipment and everything else.
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 5 December 2013 15: 54
    0
    Dreams of Hungarian nationalists.
    article "-"
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 5 December 2013 17: 02
      +2
      it’s possible to minus, but to the point. they just show their hari under the guise of Europeans.
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 5 December 2013 15: 58
    +3
    The weak are beaten. Ukrainians dissolve the army, now the fists of the neighbors will itch more.
  • Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 5 December 2013 16: 32
    +6
    Article - minus for one-sidedness and superficiality.
    The claims of Hungary, some incomprehensible claims of the madar of the Transcarpathian region regarding education in their native language, of which there are only 12%, the fuss of the Nazis with Svoboda, something vague about the policy of the EU and Kiev. And that's all.
    And what about the opinion of the rest of the inhabitants of the Transcarpathian region, of whom there are already 88%? Stupidly join Hungary? Or to the EU? Or do they support the Bandera Sabbath? Or are they for the bleating of Yanukovych and his two-facedness? It turns out, "they married me without me"?
    This is part of the appeal of residents of Transcarpathia to Yanukovych:
    Dear Mr. President
    Based on the daily opinion polls among the participants in the SDR, the Network Rusin Movement (SRS) is authorized to turn to you as the legally elected Guarantor of the Constitution of Ukraine

    Mr. President, those who are rioting in Kiev today, and with whom some of the pro-Galitsky residents are uniting in Uzhgorod and Donetsk, Crimea and Zhytomyr, hate us precisely for the geopolitical choice that we advocate. But to unite against the authorities with rabid euronazists is a crime. They will not plant us, but kill us, as they did in 1941-1944.
    They hate Ukraine and Russia, free from euro-smokers, they hate Rusyns, Russians, Hungarians ... and the Russian World, they hate the Presidents of Ukraine and Russia
    Subcarpathian Rusyns, see in all the so-called. Euromaidans continuation of the Bandera Nazi Sabbaths. There is no other way to treat them. And the fact that the Euronazis have impudently substituted, deceiving the people by substituting the concept of "accession to the EU" instead of an absolutely different "Euro-association" from the standpoint of today, and the consequences can be regarded as a crime. Here many asked how they feel about the Kiev Euromaidan. Definitely not ours. Everything is alien, this is "Bandera's holiday". But, WE ARE RUSSIANS, WE ARE NOT BANDER! ZAKARPATYA IS NOT GALICHINA !!!

    Entirely here: http://getsko-p.livejournal.com/512458.html
    hi
  • Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 5 December 2013 16: 33
    +5
    And these are the results of a survey of residents of Transcarpathia:
    Do you think it worthwhile to make an assessment of the events of today in Kiev, with an attempt at a coup in Ukraine, raging provocateurs?
    Worth 88,9%
    No 5,6%
    Other opinion 5,5%

    How did you perceive the information about Ukraine not signing the Agreement with the EU?
    Positive 54,8%
    Negatively 45,2%

    Do you think it is more important to sign the Agreement with the EU, or to create a high European standard of living at home, without signing anything with the EU?
    It is more important to sign an Agreement with the EU 5,4%
    It is more important to create a high standard of living at home 94,6%

    Do you agree with the statement that in the full text of the draft agreement on the association of Ukraine with the EU there is nothing that activists of euromaidans talk about?
    I agree 60%
    No 40%

    How do you assess the potential for separation from Galicia from Ukraine?
    Positive 63,2%
    Negatively 36,8%

    What do you think, who in Ukraine does not like Russians and Russia? All of Ukraine, or are there any kind of population groups?
    All Ukraine does not like 22,9%
    Only Galicia and Galich, they are all screamers 47,9%
    Other opinion 29,2%

    Should we strive for such a European association when Ukraine wants to close all production, high technology, leaving only agriculture?
    Yes 7,9%
    No 79,4%
    Other opinion 12,7%

    How do you feel about the so-called euromaidan in Uzhgorod organized by Galicians?
    Extremely negative 83,3%
    Positive 4,2%
    Other opinion 12,5%

    The so-called Uzhgorod Euromaidan summons the regional authorities of Transcarpathia to its carpet, arguing that the real power is delegitimized. The question is, who authorized a handful of alien provocateurs from Galicians, hiding behind "we, the bulk of the mist," to such actions?
    The Galicians themselves 66,7%
    None 6,7%
    Other opinion 26,6%

    Do you agree with the statement that the Rusyns turned out to be real patriots of Ukraine, fighting for its independence, in contrast to the Galicians who are now giving up independence of Ukraine?
    Yes Rusyns for an independent Ukraine 60%
    Galicians patriots of occupied Ukraine 6,7%
    Other opinion 33,3%

    Do you agree with the statement that Ukrainian nationalists no longer believe in Ukraine’s ability to develop as an independent state, don’t believe in the Ukrainian people, are they ready to give Ukraine sovereignty to Europeans?
    Yes, nationalists of non-independent Ukraine 85,7%
    No, they are for 14,3%

    What is interesting is the opinion of the members of our group, in your opinion, is it worth it to streamline and make public the lists of the fifth column in Transcarpathia that work to destroy Transcarpathia?
    It is necessary to make public with the photo, and a maximum of information 93,3%
    No 6,7%

    Entirely here: http://getsko-p.livejournal.com/512519.html
    hi
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 5 December 2013 16: 34
    +1
    and the cheek will not crack? where did all the honorable get out of? all sorts of Hungary, Romania, Pshekia, Estonia?
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 5 December 2013 16: 38
    +5
    The awl, which you can’t hide in the bag, sticks out more and more. Poland, now Hungary, and Romania on the way ...
    And Zurabov (what is this individual doing there?) "Piously observes the interests of the motherland." fool angry
  • Keeper
    Keeper 5 December 2013 16: 52
    +2
    Until 1945, Transcarpathia was considered Austria-Hungary, where not so many Hungarians and Austrians lived ... There were generally not only Catholics and Orthodox, but also there were a lot of Jews who were washed away to Hungary during the war.
    Currently, in Transcarpathia, most people go to work in the EU. On the one hand, they can be understood - there is simply no work at home!
    And damn it, is it okay if people at home cannot earn a living ?!
    The EU will not give anything at all, only people will leave Transcarpathia, which some will simply turn into a resort area, such as Karlovy Vary in the Czech Republic, having bought land for a penny, and made a servant from Transcarpathians ... ((
    Sad
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 6 December 2013 00: 01
      0
      Quote: Keeper
      Until 1945, Transcarpathia was considered Austria-Hungary,

      Austria-Hungary ordered a long life in 1918 under the Treaty of Versailles, which summed up the main results of the First World War ...
      But in fact, you think correctly.hi
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  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 5 December 2013 16: 57
    +1
    Well, here's how in 1918, under the screams of independence and independence, the widespread are selling Ukraine to the right and to the left, it seems as if we have all returned to the times of Bulgakov and the "White Guard." As if there was no USSR and Gagarin's flight. Straight time machine.
  • makarov
    makarov 5 December 2013 16: 59
    +4
    So what is it over there? Kemsky volost wanted ??? angry
  • individual
    individual 5 December 2013 17: 05
    +1
    Mdaa.
    Vultures gather ...
    The Slav brothers must understand that without Russia, their BALANCE in the EU pack will be torn apart and the wedge of the split is already marked.
  • Sour
    Sour 5 December 2013 17: 09
    +2
    What Transcarpathia is there? It is necessary to distort the facts so ...
    I recommend everyone to go to Hungary. There, people are not concerned about Transcarpathia, but about elementary survival and how not to be left without work. People live there beautifully (especially for an unusual eye), but actually not very rich. And the Hungarian authorities are by no means concerned about Transcarpathia (which is also not a rich region), but about getting a deferment on loans.
    Enough of pseudo-problems, pseudo-analytics and forcing xenophobia. Stop slandering a small country that does not solve anything, is actually devoid of independence and is concerned about real problems. Making a kind of "aggressor" out of today's Hungary is simply not serious. And there are no anti-Russian sentiments there. At least there are hundreds of times less of them than in Ukraine.
    1. andranick
      andranick 5 December 2013 17: 51
      0
      Yes, the Hungarians and the Hungarian government have nothing to do with it. No matter what, and willing to curry favor with a mongrel. Moreover, the owners gave the command "Fas!"
    2. andrei332809
      andrei332809 5 December 2013 19: 10
      +1
      Quote: Sour
      There, people are not concerned about Transcarpathia, but about elementary survival and how not to be left without work.

      Ugrianism request
  • kotvov
    kotvov 5 December 2013 17: 09
    0
    I think in these requests there is an answer, should we be together or independent.
  • propolsky
    propolsky 5 December 2013 17: 10
    +1
    As in Shurik's Adventure: I have a desire, but I have no opportunity. For a long time the Magyars didn’t see the tanks of others in their own country’s main square?
  • Siberian
    Siberian 5 December 2013 17: 20
    +1
    Everyone wants to grab something, get it, especially the earth. And for free. And all this at the state level. It was as if the neighbors had put the fence between the gardens wrong. The mongrels are shameful.
  • EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 5 December 2013 17: 25
    +3
    If the Ukrainian state weakens and is on the verge of a split, then all neighbors, Romania, Poland, Hungary, Russia and even Belarus, will make territorial claims. There is no one to defend Ukraine.
    1. Sour
      Sour 5 December 2013 17: 34
      -1
      Quote: EdwardTich68
      If the Ukrainian state weakens and will be on the verge of a split, then all neighbors without exception will present territorial claims. Romania, Poland, Hungary, Russia and even Belarus

      All these states will have to share Ukrainian debt obligations. And to puzzle how to raise the ditched economy of the annexed territories, how to feed the local population and provide it with normal utilities.
      But who needs Ukraine in its current form? The country is one of the world leaders in external debt and one of the outsiders in fertility. The collapsed infrastructure, backward technologies in metallurgy and coal mining ... have also found a tidbit. Right, now everything is in a fight for Ukraine ... If someone needed it, it would not hang out like a flower in an ice hole.
      1. EdwardTich68
        EdwardTich68 5 December 2013 17: 48
        +4
        What are debt obligations? Ukraine will remain in a significantly reduced form.
      2. seller trucks
        seller trucks 5 December 2013 17: 52
        +3
        Quote: Sour
        All these states will have to share Ukrainian debt obligations. And to puzzle how to raise the ditched economy of the annexed territories, how to feed the local population and provide it with normal utilities.


        Kiev Khanate / Kaganate will pay the debt obligations as the successor of the former Ukraine, but those who considered themselves to be Ukrainians will put young Romanians / Poles / Magyars on knives
      3. avt
        avt 5 December 2013 18: 28
        +1
        Quote: Sour
        I recommend everyone to go to Hungary. There, people are not concerned about Transcarpathia, but about elementary survival and how not to be left without work.

        Well ...? It's time to distract any project.
        Quote: Sour
        All these states will have to share Ukrainian debt obligations.

        You are deeply mistaken. Everything will be written off or will fall on the remaining fragment like an unbearable yoke. Always, up to wars, troubles are arranged to start from scratch and earn extra money on the vanquished, no matter what he has a dumb penny, land is more expensive than money.
        1. Sour
          Sour 5 December 2013 21: 01
          +1
          Quote: avt
          Well ...? It's time to distract any project.

          So it’s not far from paranoia. Give it by hand. The "Hungarian threat" is not even funny. The next step will be the "Moldovan" or "Slovak threat". And not too lazy to write such articles? After all, only disgrace.
          Quote: avt
          Everything will be written off

          Well, straight, dreaming. They write off countries like Uganda, nothing more. Something the USSR no one wrote off debts, everything was hung on Russia. And Yugoslavia in the 90s did not write off a cent, everything was proportionately divided between the newly formed states.
          "land is more valuable than money"? - now is not the 19th century. No one needs a land without resources. And what is there in Transcarpathia, besides the gypsies? They have nowhere to go in Hungary either.
  • asadov
    asadov 5 December 2013 17: 25
    +1
    but what did you want with such power in Ukraine? Something independence turns into a complete dependence on everyone and everything. It’s time to end it with her. Played and enough, it's time to go back to Mother Russia.
  • Ivan Pomidorov
    Ivan Pomidorov 5 December 2013 17: 27
    +1
    In the Great Patriotic War, in the occupied territories, the Magyars were a hundred times worse than the Germans, apparently they were served by the masters. am
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 5 December 2013 17: 47
    +1
    Hungary and Romania are nonsense.

    Now, if Poland makes territorial claims against Ukraine ....
  • rpek32
    rpek32 5 December 2013 18: 01
    +3
    Ukrainians! Do not take it on this "drank"! And think again: why are you being dragged so forcefully in the EU.
  • Arkan
    Arkan 5 December 2013 18: 12
    +4
    Little Russians! Tear you like a Tuzik heating pad. Alas, you could not become heirs to the lands that the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union annexed. While all is not lost, get together and repulse the separatists and their inspirers from abroad.
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 5 December 2013 21: 37
      +1
      Quote: Arkan
      Little Russians! Tear you like a Tuzik heating pad.

      Yes, it’s complete for you - an attempt to forcibly tear away the territory of Ukraine will only contribute to the consolidation of Ukrainian society, will untie the authorities’s hands, and finally push Ukraine into an alliance with Russia. I’m sure that the West understands this and will not take any kind of forceful action.
      Quote: Arkan
      While all is not lost, get together and repulse the separatists and their inspirers from abroad.

      There is no sufficiently authoritative leader in Ukraine who can unite the part of the population that does not want to join the "Western values". request
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  • shark
    shark 5 December 2013 18: 12
    0
    Personally, I can hardly restrain the ill-concealed gloating. The events described in the article are yet another proof of the stillbirth of Ukrainian statehood. A state in which entire regions do not listen to the center and do not communicate with foreign countries for a long time. Comrade Ukrainians, and you yourself will give Transcarpathia to Hungarians. dramaturgy. They’ll take it all the same anyway. And so, to evil sworn merchants, at least you get moral pleasure
  • Keeper
    Keeper 5 December 2013 18: 15
    +1
    Quote: Sour
    What Transcarpathia is there? It is necessary to distort the facts so ...
    I recommend everyone to go to Hungary. There, people are not concerned about Transcarpathia, but about elementary survival and how not to be left without work ..

    Just about)) and Transcarpathia to them in order to improve their own economy! New citizens in a country where everyone has almost left for the EU + very picturesque places that they will turn into a resort area ... Turkey is resting with their "all inclusive", compared to the mountainous climate of the Carpathians!
    Now everything will depend on the way in which Russia will be able to suppress the cunning game of Yanukovych, who is by no means lost!
    There is such a model in psychology when all systems are swept away so that it would be impossible to predict further moves ...
    A very similar game now in Ukraine ...
  • Stasi
    Stasi 5 December 2013 18: 17
    0
    At first, the Romanians chopped off Father Zmeinyi with hydrocarbon reserves, now the Magyars began to drive a wave about Transcarpathia. And they will receive it, the Ukrainian authorities simply can not or rather do not want to do to protect their territory. Militarily, the Ukrainian army decided to defend power by force of Transcarpathia with little to oppose the Hungarians. And there you look and Poland will make a complaint - they say return to the Polish people the seized lands. So for example, Poles will want to regain Lviv and other areas of Western Ukraine. Turks will raise the question of the return of Crimea. In short, Ukraine is pulled apart in pieces.
    1. Horde
      Horde 5 December 2013 18: 42
      +2
      Quote: Stasi
      At first, the Romanians chopped off Father Zmeinyi with hydrocarbon reserves,


      Calm down, so that Khokhly, what they gave to someone, not to be to him, it’s better to strangle ...
      1. Stasi
        Stasi 5 December 2013 19: 32
        -1
        Something was not visible reports of suicides when the Ukrainian Foreign Minister Ogryzko gave the Romanians Snake. And there was nothing for him. Most likely, the authorities decided that it was better to appease the West than to fight with it, especially since there was nothing to fight. And the worst thing is that foreign accounts and property can be confiscated, I think the West played on this and allowed the Romanians to pick up Father Zmeiny and shut up the politicians in Kiev.
        1. Kars
          Kars 5 December 2013 20: 03
          +4
          Quote: Stasi
          this West and played allowing the Romanians to take Father O. Snake

          And when did this happen?
          1. alone
            alone 5 December 2013 21: 16
            +3
            Quote: Kars
            And when did this happen?


            I remembered the Movie "The meeting place cannot be changed"

            Sharapov’s question to Gruzdev: How did it happen that the gun was found in your kitchen?

            - Well, you beat me with this question! laughing
  • Horde
    Horde 5 December 2013 18: 20
    +4
    Hungary wants Transcarpathia




    ... woo wrapped in a newspaper replaces a cigarette ... comrade STALIN felt sorry for you.
  • iulai
    iulai 5 December 2013 18: 20
    +4
    Ukraine gained statehood, but did not conquer it. They gave her statehood, but as they gave, they will take it! Only the conquered borders are strong and durable, and the donated ones, trash!
  • mountain
    mountain 5 December 2013 18: 20
    -1
    I read the comments and funny and sad, all sorts. And, I don’t really want that our soldiers would die for such fraternal Ukrainians, Chechens. They fought and rebuilt and planted a money pump and are proud of themselves. Where is gratitude? A lot of it from Chechnya? Ukraine was the fourth in the world in the army, but where is it now?
    My people and us, our own land, should bother us more. When we think about ourselves, there is so much land for private development, minerals for production, but we are created for a happy life ... but we can’t build it, in truth IMPERIAL AMBITIONS. And to the Hungarians to me, as to that bird that craps on my facade.
    1. Horde
      Horde 5 December 2013 18: 34
      +2
      Quote: mountain
      My people and us, our own land, should bother us more.


      Does your garden worry more? and slide to the flap of Israel ...
  • Kulneff2009
    Kulneff2009 5 December 2013 18: 31
    0
    While the Slavic brothers will split, until then all kinds of things will be scammed on us!
  • Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 5 December 2013 18: 42
    0
    Prapor-527 RU November 16, 2013 21:20 PM | The difficult past and the ambiguous future of the BTR-4 armored personnel carrier
    Quote: gych
    , Poland is interested in our products
    Yes, Poland is not interested in your products, but in territories. History needs to be taught ... Not distorted, but real. (At that time, the debate was about Polish interests, today about Hungarian. Who is next?)
  • kafa
    kafa 5 December 2013 18: 51
    +1
    yo bobiks forgot the story fool
  • mountain
    mountain 5 December 2013 19: 17
    -1
    Quote: Horde
    Does your garden worry more? and slide to the flap of Israel ...

    I agree too clever, but the meaning is clear. But at the expense of Israel, in vain. Nostalgic "anani..te" alone.
    1. Horde
      Horde 5 December 2013 21: 32
      -1
      Quote: mountain
      Nostalgic "anani..te" alone.


      how silly, for you, these concepts have merged together?
      of people who worry about OUR lands VERY MUCH, and your LOCAL patriotism is very characteristic not for Russian, but for another people on Ms begins, on YES ends laughing
  • waisson
    waisson 5 December 2013 19: 21
    0
    naive albanian boys angry
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 December 2013 19: 47
    0
    This is all not surprising .. Ukraine is on the verge of collapse and bankruptcy .. (because of its political prostitution .. forgive me ..) Border countries from the west (Hungary Romania Poland, etc.) are quite sure they will still cling to each other's throats which of them "fully integrates" Ukraine .. And laughter and sin! .. It is very painful for us Russians to look at all this.
  • Clegg
    Clegg 5 December 2013 19: 59
    +2
    Against the background of the general activity of Hungary in Transcarpathia, the activities of the Hungarian radical party Jobbik, which held its political forum in Beregovo (Transcarpathian region) at the end of October this year, are distinguished. Among the forum participants were party leader Gabor Vona,

    I do not like this Vaughn, although he is a pan-Turkist
  • voliador
    voliador 5 December 2013 20: 10
    0
    The inviolability of borders is nothing more than beautiful words. When Yugoslavia was torn, all civilized Europe shouted Hurray. Borders have always been determined by force, and they will always be so determined.

    That's right. Therefore, we simply need to have a modern, well-armed army! And let the independent saloids think carefully about what will happen to Ukraine after signing such agreements. It is not the fall of the economy — the destruction of the state smells.
  • So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 5 December 2013 20: 13
    +2
    Quote: seller trucks
    You are just like a little one, at the bottom everything is written, and it’s not very expensive, the "titushki" are more expensive, the hourly pay is cheaper, it’s cheaper to pick up ideas.

    I don’t know how ideological there are, yesterday an acquaintance told me that he was standing at night for the nickname for 250 UAH, for a bruise from the Berkut they pay another 250 UAH. and so on increasing ..., a private ambulance "Boris" is on duty (very expensive). Only business and nothing else, when I asked and you need it, I need money, I sit, I smoke, I drink tea, I try not to lean out ...
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 5 December 2013 20: 26
      0
      Quote: So_o_tozh
      Only business and nothing more

      sadly. shitty business, however. and we also blame the politicians, they say, they sold everything. you yourself are on sale! Yesterday I watched the news (if I am not mistaken channel 1 + 1) asked a passer-by in Donetsk why he was not on the Maidan. to which he replied, they say he has no time to "Maidan", he needs to work ... I think comments are unnecessary.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 5 December 2013 20: 15
    0
    Quote: "There are national Hungarian theaters, schools, colleges, etc. The Hungarian presence is felt in the far west of Ukraine at all levels of local life - from school to politics, not to mention the fact that about 40 settlements of Transcarpathia have regained their Hungarian names."
    Hungary, a NATO member, adds its "mite" in undermining stability in Ukraine. This is very dangerous against the backdrop of opposition protest actions. The Hungarians felt with their skins that they could profit here ... And they will act impudently and impudently.