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President legalized military police

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President legalized military policeYesterday, President Vladimir Putin introduced to the State Duma a bill regulating the activities of the military police in the army and navy. The Main Directorate of the Military Police (GUVP) was created by ex-Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov in 2011. It was assumed that immediately after this, the activities of the GUVP and its regional structures would be legalized by the State Duma. But corruption scandals and the removal of Serdyukov from office removed this process.


Under the new Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu, the draft law on the military police (VP) was finalized, and in April 2013 was published on the website of the military department. But only now the adoption of the law on the EAP is coming out, apparently, on the home stretch. Sources of NG in the Duma Defense Committee are confident that the law introduced by the president will be adopted before the New Year.

In the conclusion of the draft law on the Interim Government, the government notes that it establishes “the powers of the military police as an inquiry body of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, security measures for victims, witnesses and other participants in criminal proceedings from among the military personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, military investigative bodies, the execution of criminal punishments and other powers against military personnel, which will allow the release of the commanders of military units, formations institutions and garrisons of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation from performing functions not related to combat training. "

The fact that the EAP is needed in post-Soviet Russia has been spoken for a long time, since the days when Pavel Grachev was the defense minister. Military police exist in more than 40 states, including some CIS countries, and they have proven their worth.

At the same time, the process of creating a military police in the Russian Federation is sometimes subjected to sharp criticism. A number of human rights defenders, including the human rights ombudsman in the Russian Federation, Vladimir Lukin, believe that the military police should not be subordinate to the Ministry of Defense, since "military officials will lead another bureaucratic apparatus." Lukin believes that the ID must be independent of the military department, and only in this case it will be effective. Military expert Vladimir Popov notes: “Military police are introduced only in the Armed Forces. But what about the other troops? How will the garrison service be organized in them? Will the VP functions, for example, be extended to internal or border troops? ” According to Popov, these procedures are not clearly defined in the draft law.

In addition, an erroneous opinion was formed in Russian society that the Interim Government would become a reliable protector of soldiers from barracks hooliganism. However, this is not the case. The President of the Academy of Military Sciences, Army General Makhmut Gareyev, has already criticized those who think that with the introduction of the military police in the army, hazing will disappear. “Children's naivety,” says the general. - Soldiers should deal with their commanders, sergeants, officers. There is no other way of educating a serviceman. ” The chief military prosecutor of the Russian Federation, Sergei Fridinsky, also believes that "the creation of a military police is not a panacea for crimes." Although he, like the government, is confident that “the transfer of the function of inquiry to the military police is the right decision, as a result, the commanders will no longer be distracted from fulfilling their duties.”

As the director of the legal department of the Ministry of Defense, Colonel Oleg Bezbabnov, said recently, “the formation of a legal settlement of the activities of the military police has been proposed in two stages.” According to him, at the first stage it is envisaged to adopt a federal law, which makes the necessary changes to the federal laws "On Defense", "On the Status of Military Personnel", the Criminal Procedure Code, the Criminal Executive Code of the Russian Federation and a number of other legislative acts of the country. And at the second stage, “it is envisaged to make changes in the general military charters”. Bezbabnov pointed out a number of problems, including questions of the curfew service. "In this regard, we need to prepare the text of the military police charter, to define its tasks and powers in detail," the officer said.
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  1. TRex
    TRex 4 December 2013 12: 05
    +1
    Be that as it may - combat units are less likely to carry garrison outfits, more to engage in combat training. And all the problematic issues will be smoothed out little by little. I would like to see in the ranks of the EaP only contractors.
    1. creak
      creak 4 December 2013 12: 14
      0
      I support, it was necessary to do this for a long time. By the way, the question of creating a military police first began to be considered not under Grachev, but back in the late 80s at the General Staff of the USSR Ground Forces ... Even then it became clear that the more combat units would be distracted by other tasks, the less time will remain on combat training. And the Army at that time what it was just not doing ...
      1. Airman
        Airman 4 December 2013 22: 06
        0
        Quote: ranger
        I support, it was necessary to do this for a long time. By the way, the question of creating a military police first began to be considered not under Grachev, but back in the late 80s at the General Staff of the USSR Ground Forces ... Even then it became clear that the more combat units would be distracted by other tasks, the less time will remain on combat training. And the Army at that time what it was just not doing ...

        And I have the word POLICE immediately associated with the POLICE during WWII, and the attitude towards them is appropriate. How tired of imitating the west.
    2. self-propelled
      self-propelled 4 December 2013 12: 42
      +1
      Now the guilty soldiers in the garrison guardhouses are guarded by ordinary soldiers. The same applies to the “watchmen” of those who are serving their sentences in disciplinary battalions. This, so to speak, school of courage is hardly suitable for conscripts. They return from the army not with the skills of a warrior, but with the habits of a warder. The new law will break this practice. Indeed, according to him, conscripts at guardhouses and in units of the guard of disbates will have to be replaced by military police.
      Another area of ​​service where military police can and should replace military officers is to conduct an inquiry into some kind of soldier’s or officer’s crime. As a rule, by order of the commander of the unit, platoon or company commanders did this. After the adoption of the law, a military policeman will take on the role of interrogator. A serious investigation of the crime and supervision of this process will continue to fall on army professionals from the TFR and the Prosecutor General's Office.
      The total number of military police is about 6,5 thousand people. Only professionals are accepted for service in such bodies, and all candidates must undergo rigorous, including psychological, selection.
      taken from www.rg.ru
      1. Brother77
        Brother77 4 December 2013 17: 50
        +9
        Yeah, if you knew who they were taking there, I think you could have forgotten professionalism, you cut off the moves for one such policeman, just imagined what he would do there
      2. Felix200970
        Felix200970 4 December 2013 21: 28
        +1
        I don't put a minus just because it's not your opinion. Many problems and "minor" violations are resolved by the authority of the company commander and sent to the guardhouse. While guarding the guardhouse, the soldier himself sees how his non-statutory "exploits" can end. The clever will slow down, and he will go to jail
        Chief Military Prosecutor of the Russian Federation Sergey Fridinsky also believes that "the creation of a military police is not a panacea for crimes." Although he, like the government, is confident that "the transfer of the function of inquiry to the military police is the right decision, as a result of which the commanders will no longer be distracted from fulfilling their duties."

        If earlier commanders were distracted by the Mamelles from the military prosecutor’s office, now they will be distracted by warrant officers from the military police. Laughing out loud good
    3. neri73-r
      neri73-r 4 December 2013 16: 13
      +4
      I would like to see in the ranks of the EaP only contractors.
      What are you talking about? What kind of contractors? If they will be there, then only at the posts serving (for example - the driver), and so these are officer posts! As you can imagine, Sergeant Pupkin is investigating a criminal case about bodily harm caused by unit commander Colonel Petrov to the chief of staff Lt. Col. Sidorov ??? laughing
      1. matross
        matross 4 December 2013 19: 46
        +4
        Quote: neri73-r
        If they will be there, then only at the posts serving (for example - the driver), and so these are officer posts!

        Interrogators are of course officers. And the protection of guardhouses, disciplines, bodies of military justice and the military police itself? Garrison patrols? So the comrade was right.
      2. Felix200970
        Felix200970 4 December 2013 21: 30
        +1
        Quote: neri73-r
        As you imagine, Sergeant Pupkin is investigating a criminal case about bodily harm caused by unit commander Colonel Petrov to the chief of staff, Lieutenant Colonel Sidorov ???

        I even imagine it and it's sad belay
      3. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 5 December 2013 05: 50
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        Quote: neri73-r
        I would like to see in the ranks of the EaP only contractors.
        What are you talking about? What kind of contractors? If they will be there, then only at the posts serving (for example - the driver), and so these are officer posts! As you can imagine, Sergeant Pupkin is investigating a criminal case about bodily harm caused by unit commander Colonel Petrov to the chief of staff Lt. Col. Sidorov ??? laughing


        Do not confuse military investigators and prosecutors with patrol and security services - they can very well be entrusted to sergeants. When conducting an inspection of a base, for example, one inspector officer who supervises the inspection is enough, and a platoon of police sergeants attached to it may well run and perform elementary functions (counting ammunition or assault rifles in an armory for loss or theft, for example). The task of the officer is to work with his head, and not with his feet in the first place. Even if they go to extremes - that he can be too lazy to check himself, he will not be too lazy to send a subordinate to run.
    4. Alekseev
      Alekseev 4 December 2013 18: 09
      +2
      Quote: TRex
      less garrison outfits, more engage in combat training. And all the problematic issues will be smoothed out little by little.

      It is unlikely. because the normal leadership of the army service is to control the whole life and activity of the troops. There are no trifles here. And all the fullness of power and responsibility, if, of course, they want to have a combat-ready army, should lie on the commander. yes
      Why the military police have been known to everyone in the world for a long time, but it just seems not in Russia. What does "the powers of the military police as a body of inquiry of the RF Armed Forces" mean?
      An inquiry body is not only an inquiry officer! The inquiry bodies are the commanders of the units! (connections)
      In the Soviet charter, it was written that the commander of the unit, ship (unit) is one-man and bears personal responsibility to the Communist Party and the Soviet Government for the constant combat and mobilization readiness of the unit entrusted to it, the ship (unit). Does the charter now have such words?
      It seems that the military police (it seems to be not even subordinate to the district commanders) is an attempt to create superiors over superiors. A stupid attempt, because apart from unity of command, a thousand-year history has not found a better way to control the sun.
      The unit commander should have a couple of interrogators and a military police platoon - yes!
      But now there is a very stupid tendency: commanders can only teach, provide suction, they bring order to the police. But to endure military defeat to all of us.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 4 December 2013 18: 51
        +1
        The great Russian poet rightly said in the chapter of the General, of his famous poem:
        And on this half -
        at our front lines
        In war - no one like him -
        your Central Committee and your Kalinin.
        Court, Father, Head, Law.
        And if we do not have such generals (both ministers and presidents) - this, unfortunately, is our problem. request
        And the emergence of a new structure will not solve these problems.
      2. Felix200970
        Felix200970 4 December 2013 21: 35
        0
        Quote: Alekseev
        It was written in the Soviet charter that the commander of the unit, ship (unit) is the one-man commander and is personally responsible to the Communist Party and the Soviet government for the constant combat and mobilization readiness of the unit, ship (unit) entrusted to him. Does the charter now have such words?

        There is. With the exception of the Communist Party (since we have party polygamy) and the Soviet government (because he’s fucking). Well, now there’s no party army in the army that could slow down the commander who was trembling from the horrors of a peaceful life.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 5 December 2013 11: 33
          0
          Quote: Felix200970
          There is. With the exception of the Communist Party (since we have party polygamy) and the Soviet government (because he’s fucking)

          Yes, I had no doubt that there is. yes Well, on paper, but in reality, powers have been curtailed. How are you going to answer to the "party polygamists", in other words, the state? Here, as if not to offend the "sucker" with whom the agreement was concluded in Moscow, but the police will still "come with a check" to the unit (as if there are no prosecutors), just like on the collective farm market. request laughing
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    6. Airman
      Airman 4 December 2013 19: 01
      +3
      Quote: TRex
      Be that as it may - combat units are less likely to carry garrison outfits, more to engage in combat training. And all the problematic issues will be smoothed out little by little. I would like to see in the ranks of the EaP only contractors.

      And to hell with the military police (VP), if there is a military prosecutor's office (VP)? The only thing to carry out the garrison patrol service is to catch the covert. As usual, facing west, we get nonsense.
    7. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 4 December 2013 20: 19
      -1
      And when will the new charter be adopted?
    8. Airman
      Airman 4 December 2013 21: 00
      +3
      Quote: TRex
      Be that as it may - combat units are less likely to carry garrison outfits, more to engage in combat training. And all the problematic issues will be smoothed out little by little. I would like to see in the ranks of the EaP only contractors.

      And as I understand it, this is strengthening the REPRESSIVE apparatus in the army and strengthening political control over the army.
    9. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan 5 December 2013 07: 04
      0
      combat units less carry garrison outfits,
      We had a kapets in Gremikha - we guarded the shops. Not even a military unit, ordinary. So that the construction battalion is not naughty. So it was called - "shopping patrol". lol
  2. patriot2
    patriot2 4 December 2013 12: 12
    +1
    Well, instead of a military patrol and a commandant platoon (company) - military police? A smart solution, proven in many countries.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 4 December 2013 12: 19
      +1
      citation-As the director of the legal department of the Ministry of Defense, Colonel Oleg Bezbabnov, recently stated, “the formation of a legal regulation of the activities of the military police has been proposed in two stages.” According to him, at the first stage, it is planned to adopt a federal law that introduces the necessary amendments to the federal laws “On Defense”, “On the Status of Military Personnel”, the Code of Criminal Procedure, the Criminal Executive Code of the Russian Federation and a number of other legislative acts of the country. And in the second stage, “amendments to the all-military charters are envisaged.” Bezbabnov also pointed out a number of problems, including questions of the commandant service. “In this regard, we need to prepare the text of the charter of the military police, to determine in detail its tasks and powers,” the officer noted.

      In short, we need more by-laws that would regulate the activities of the military police in detail. A painstaking process is necessary.
    2. Yarik
      Yarik 4 December 2013 13: 12
      0
      Yes, no doubt, the right decision. The view is just painfully parrot, like the police at one time, for a mile away to see. smile
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 4 December 2013 18: 02
        0
        “Like any military police, their distinctive mark is red (scarlet, coral).” (Britain, Germany) And the Israeli Defense Forces have white caps. And then - from whom is it skerking? They are the coolest here (in theory ...) smile
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 4 December 2013 18: 12
          0
          -Strange, no pictures were added ... try again ...
          1. Old_kapitan
            Old_kapitan 5 December 2013 07: 08
            0
            -Strange, no pictures were added ... try again ...
            And you try to insert not as a picture, but as media content. And then replace the media tags with img. It helped me.
      2. Yarik
        Yarik 4 December 2013 20: 53
        0
        And who didn’t like my comment about the parrot in uniform, I wonder what I’m saying, I used to go to the teaching staff pretty well. So, it would have been more modest in color, I had more street crimes (like thefts and robberies) It was. I know what I'm saying, since I am writing. We noticed earlier than we did them.
    3. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 4 December 2013 13: 44
      +2
      That is, the problem was solved as usual - by renaming?
  3. MAG
    MAG 4 December 2013 12: 46
    +2
    My comrade went on a contract to the military police so far, in addition to repairing and escorting conscripts, they don’t do anything but dryuchi are now being transferred to Sokol in a childish way. Officers are needed there with a higher legal education, but where can I get them?
    1. Migari
      Migari 4 December 2013 13: 53
      +2
      Well, lawyers and economists are now half the country. I think there will be no problems here, and will be trained and staffed.
      1. MAG
        MAG 4 December 2013 14: 40
        +4
        We need OFFICERS and not jackets! Do you know the difference?
        1. Felix200970
          Felix200970 4 December 2013 21: 38
          +1
          Quote: MAG
          We need OFFICERS and not jackets! Do you know the difference?

          This is yes! And not lower than the rank of "captain" and three years of company command. Only then will something adequate turn out
          1. Old_kapitan
            Old_kapitan 5 December 2013 09: 51
            0
            This is yes! And not lower than the rank of "captain" and three years of company command. Only then will something adequate turn out
            Is it in the military police? And what for? You do not confuse with special forces BB?
  4. Stinger
    Stinger 4 December 2013 13: 14
    +4
    Crown number. First we create, then we invent functions.
  5. Blastx
    Blastx 4 December 2013 13: 16
    -3
    I’m somehow uncomfortable with this news, as if they were reproducing the Chikists (WWII detachments) ...
  6. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 4 December 2013 13: 38
    +3
    Once the Military Police is created, then the units will need a kind of "precinct".
    Without knowledge of the contingent, no one will be able to investigate any theft, theft, or hazing.
    1. Brother77
      Brother77 4 December 2013 17: 52
      +4
      Yes there are district officers only from another office ....
    2. Vasek
      Vasek 4 December 2013 23: 38
      +3
      Quote: Starover_Z
      Without knowledge of the contingent, no one will be able to investigate any theft, theft, or hazing.


      Most likely, they will quickly adapt and learn to "accept from someone and transfer to someone any items."
      Yes, so that the Great-Worker-Rear rear kindergarten seems!
  7. Vova Vartanov
    Vova Vartanov 4 December 2013 13: 43
    +7
    What nonsense! About twenty years ago, in our country in Armenia we wanted to be like Americans and almost duplicated the structure of the VP, now everyone realizes that they have done stupidity! Well, we still can forgive this - after all, there weren’t our own aircraft for about 70 years. But why do you need to build structures not characteristic of Russia?
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 4 December 2013 14: 25
      +3
      Quote: Vova Vartanov
      But why do you need to build structures not characteristic of Russia?

      The State Department and now stands behind many laws of the Russian Federation, customized to its own standards.
    2. Oskar
      Oskar 4 December 2013 14: 39
      -1
      "What are the peasants, so are the monkeys!"
    3. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 4 December 2013 15: 23
      +3
      Quote: Vova Vartanov
      But why do you need build non-Russian structures?

      Yes, we do not build ... Rename, modernize, optimize... little by little laughing This, of course, is not funny. But it is so.

      Here are those who advocate for the VP - WHEREand from WHOM You will gain another structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Why is there one more thing? So read carefully (approximate) the functions of this VI: "... the body of inquiry of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, security measures in relation to victims, witnesses and other participants in criminal proceedings from among the military personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the protection of the premises of the military prosecutor's office and military investigative bodies, the execution of criminal punishments against military personnel and other powers .. . " It's how do they need ???
      WHO will serve there? Not contract soldiers? And Hto will "drag" the garrison service? Get out! Just remember the outfits - warehouses, "banners", checkpoints. I saw it all in the coffin. What is there MASOCHIST Permanently ???
      Ali again - outsourcing services laughing
      I wonder! And the entire infrastructure for these units? Again - thenbut...

      Quote: treskoed
      We reduce military hospitals, clinics, and sanatoriums - we are creating military police! Caring for people however!



      Quote: Stinger
      Crown number. First we create, then we invent functions
  8. Ivan.
    Ivan. 4 December 2013 14: 14
    +9
    In recent years, I have not felt the feeling that the country is being adjusted to Western standards so that if globalization ends, there will be less fuss. I do not understand at all why it was necessary to rename the police as policemen, if this "VP" was so necessary, even in Soviet times it would have been created and not necessarily a separate structure. I have a feeling that Putin is fully cooperating with the globalizers and his foreign policy (within the framework of the "game") is just a way to remain an independent player with weight and not a servant who can be removed at any time. Law 210 on public services of 2010 shouts about this (transfers state obligations into the field of services that should eventually transfer the management of these services to private corporations. UEC, which is already at the completion stage, is designed to save us from cash and freedom. + Biometric documents, we gradually integrate into a globalized society in the final phase, which itself will "ask" to rid it of freedom for the sake of security. And as for the threats - terrorism, corruption, arbitrariness, etc. I think it is clear that they are artificial and are intended to convince us that security is more important than freedom, that is agree to total control at the head you know with whom.
  9. treskoed
    treskoed 4 December 2013 14: 25
    +7
    We reduce military hospitals, clinics, and sanatoriums - we are creating military police! Caring for people however!
  10. stalker
    stalker 4 December 2013 14: 44
    +1
    everything is right, she is needed
  11. patriot2
    patriot2 4 December 2013 16: 06
    0
    A little off topic, but a funny joke:
    - Lieutenant, do you like my new dress? - For the fifth time in the evening, asked Natasha Rostova.
    Finally he could not stand it and said:
    - Let's remove this question already ...
    laughing
  12. saygon66
    saygon66 4 December 2013 16: 25
    0
    - VP is not needed ... Well, this is for those who have never encountered an "investigation" about bruises, and the theft of oil, and an opened "batale". As far as I know, officers and warrant officers do not have any significant legal training, even drawing up a "competent" explanatory problem. By the present time, it is just right to have your own district police officer in every garrison! laughing - Well, tell me how to "split" an adult, grated man-contract soldier (ensign, officer), if there is an offense (during, like a policeman himself, he spoke ... wassat ) and, God forbid, a decent time shines for him? And who will investigate crimes committed during hostilities, cases of looting, etc.? Shall we attach an investigation team of the Ministry of Internal Affairs to each unit? I don’t know how anyone, but I personally hate to hand over my soldiers to the police. Before perestroika, even drunken soldiers were not handed over to the "sober", but to the commandant's office. Therefore, the department was respected - to figure it out ... and the tribunal did a great job. And a very sad conversation about civil courts in relation to the military ... Well, a purely civilian cannot objectively judge what happened in the war ... a complete lack of understanding of the issue! Need a military police
    only to recruit there you need men 25-31 years old, with life experience, so that he knew where to put on the "bracelets". and where zvezdyulina is limited ... well, it is desirable to be healthier - you never know who will have to "knit" ...
  13. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 4 December 2013 16: 45
    0
    Quote: saygon66
    Will we attach an investigation team of the Ministry of Internal Affairs to each unit? I don’t know how anyone, but I personally hate to hand over my soldiers to the police. Before perestroika, even drunken soldiers were not handed over to the "sober", but to the commandant's office.

    Most likely, there will be a lot of people serving in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, shortened, fired, transferred, etc., and their experience will be useful. Among them, careful selection will be needed.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 4 December 2013 17: 28
      +1
      - Here I do not quite agree with you ... With all due respect, with whom the graduate of law is dealing. institute during all activities, up to dismissal? Thefts, robberies, rapes, murders on domestic grounds ... committed as a rule by "declassified elements" (there was such a term). In the Army, the contingent is different, and the approach, accordingly, should be different: more selective, or something, (to swell with joy that the whole thing from a business trip is not the same as a booze from every paycheck), but also more harsh - the theft of military property is not the fact that theft in a supermarket ... Rather, you need to select suitable people in the army environment, and complete their education ... for example, offering to extend the terms of service for those who will soon be in reserve ...
  14. taseka
    taseka 4 December 2013 18: 31
    +1
    In any case, with bayonet-knives and rubber sticks, they will look very comical - a fantastic patrol at the station!
  15. Alekseev
    Alekseev 4 December 2013 18: 34
    0
    Quote: Alekseev
    Quote: TRex
    less garrison outfits, more engage in combat training. And all the problematic issues will be smoothed out little by little.

    It is unlikely. because the normal leadership of the army service is to control the whole life and activity of the troops. There are no trifles here. And all the fullness of power and responsibility, if, of course, they want to have a combat-ready army, should lie on the commander. yes
    Why the military police have been known to everyone in the world for a long time, but it just seems not in Russia. What does "the powers of the military police as a body of inquiry of the RF Armed Forces" mean?
    An inquiry body is not only an inquiry officer! The inquiry bodies are the commanders of the units! (connections)
    In the Soviet charter, it was written that the commander of the unit, ship (unit) is one-man and bears personal responsibility to the Communist Party and the Soviet Government for the constant combat and mobilization readiness of the unit entrusted to it, the ship (unit). Does the charter now have such words?
    It seems that the military police (it seems to be not even subordinate to the district commanders) is an attempt to create superiors over superiors. A stupid attempt, because apart from unity of command, a thousand-year history has not found a better way to control the sun.
    The unit commander should have a couple of interrogators and a military police platoon - yes!
    But now there is a very strange tendency: the commanders can only learn, provide suction, they bring order to the police. But to endure military defeat to all of us.
    1. Vasek
      Vasek 4 December 2013 23: 49
      0
      I believe that the guard service is not only useful, but also REQUIRED TO ALL TERMS.
      The more young men have the opportunity to "communicate" with weapons, to feel responsibility, discipline and routine, the better for them and for the Armed Forces.
      So, I would leave the guards to the troops, and the police (albeit military) to appoint gendarme functions.
  16. Kulneff2009
    Kulneff2009 4 December 2013 20: 23
    0
    Right, it's time! Soldiers need to engage in combat training, not drag outfits!
    1. understudy
      understudy 4 December 2013 20: 34
      0
      Quote: Kulneff2009
      Right, it's time!

      Let me ask, and they will wipe their ass on their own?
    2. andr327
      andr327 4 December 2013 21: 51
      +5
      The case of combat training: as a veteran of the armed forces understood for the holiday in part. Congratulations, a concert, and in the end - contests. Automatically dismantled bravo, beautifully drill techniques performed, answer questions. And here the veteran came up with meanness: the competition suggested peeling potatoes (damn it was prepared in advance). the jury has two mothers and a steamer. To be honest, it was scary. Mother, one of the contestants. just cried, alas, not with joy.
      Previously, the army was called a "school of life", and a soldier, even with a bad power supply, could at least serve himself, washing, cleaning, cleaning. cooking was no problem for anyone
      after the army.
      The army is an autonomous organization, which must be able to provide for itself in combat conditions.
      And VP - this is outsourcing, another spread of responsibility for commanders.
  17. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 4 December 2013 20: 52
    -3
    There is a military police and there has been a right decision in any country, and of course the disputes must be canceled, the prison will correct.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 4 December 2013 21: 29
      +3
      - Analogues of disciplinary battalions exist in almost all armies of the world ... For example, Leavenworth, USA. As you know, being in "correctional" institutions does not contribute to the return of convicts to a normal life - they join the ranks of "criminals". Those sentenced to a disciplinary battalion continue to be considered servicemen, and at the end of the term they return to their unit, to serve on additional service. Under the Soviet Union, those who served time in the disbat were not stamped in their passports, it seems that there was no "time limit" either ...
  18. understudy
    understudy 4 December 2013 21: 11
    +4
    Nda ... some sluggish reformatory pregnancy, once again requiring cash injections. This will be followed by the traditional recognition of the erroneousness of the decision made, which must be urgently canceled and reanimated already forgotten old. And again, pennies are allocated to eliminate the noted errors and existing shortcomings. Subsequently, a new "bright" head appears, which will be absolutely sure that everything that was done earlier does not correspond to the harsh current reality ...
    _______________________
    Each Army has only its inherent TRADITIONS. We never had military policemen. It was not and is not necessary.
  19. Lesnik
    Lesnik 4 December 2013 21: 35
    +1
    Absolutely useless structure.
    Let me explain why:
    1) Legislative framework - NEVER the police and prosecutors will give up their functions to the military, I repeat NEVER!
    2) Bearing the garrison and guard functions and remain on the troops ask why? - the answer is, where do you get so many VPs to serve in EVERY garrison and guard?

    What do we have in the end?
    The VP will perform the following functions:
    1) Administration of disciplinary battalions;
    2) Conducting official investigations;
    3) VAI.

    The question is, is it worth having several tens of thousands of non-military and non-police officers?
    1. Lesnik
      Lesnik 5 December 2013 01: 57
      +1
      Ok minus so minus wink But I would like to know what I'm wrong in? what
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  21. Pokerof13
    Pokerof13 4 December 2013 22: 04
    +2
    Like all newly formed structures, the EP will organize its work for a long time, even despite the fact that officials already undergo training at academies. At the initial stage, the VP will fulfill the function of military patrols working on the number of soldiers caught - if they are caught a lot, then they work well and vice versa.
    The worst thing is that they recruited into this structure those whom they tried to get rid of in part, those who could not cope with their duties. It is unlikely that the commander of the unit will release the officer in charge of his job duties to the police. So the idea is not bad, but they started to implement it somehow. Just like with the formation of a contract army in the years 2003-2005: they conceived an army of professionals, and scored those who were caught at train stations, pubs or those who were hiding from prison. God forbid that the story does not repeat itself, otherwise there will be enough loafers in the army.
  22. Peps 71
    Peps 71 4 December 2013 22: 25
    0
    Good day! Tell me where in the regions there is the leadership of the EaP and who to contact on the issue of serving in this structure?
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 4 December 2013 22: 33
      0
      Here is the official page of the VP, contact details are indicated, click on this link
      http://structure.mil.ru/structure/ministry_of_defence/[email protected]

      anization
  23. Peps 71
    Peps 71 4 December 2013 22: 49
    -1
    Thank you read! Unfortunately, a word about the reserve officers! ((((
  24. your1970
    your1970 4 December 2013 23: 16
    +3
    Quote: self-propelled

    The total number of military police is about 6,5 thousand people.
    taken from www.rg.ru

    What kind of guard service, what patrols are we talking about ???? !!! They willn’t succeed in the 10 man, the number is scanty, taking into account their functioning, God forbid there will be 5 thousand
  25. sasska
    sasska 5 December 2013 00: 07
    -2
    Quote: Povshnik

    And I have the word POLICE immediately associated with the POLICE during WWII, and the attitude towards them is appropriate. How tired of imitating the west.

    tavarisch, do you distinguish in general the meaning of the words "Army" and "police"?
    1. Blastx
      Blastx 5 December 2013 14: 19
      +1
      And what to distinguish between them? If it's the military police. Which will monitor the soldiers, collect incriminating evidence, knock out confessions, stir up their schemes against officers and soldiers, remove undesirables, in general, this structure can do a lot, there are examples in history. NKVD. The Gestapo. As there was a lot of good from this, just as much was bad, if not more.
      ps and the form of the NKVD))))))
  26. Fornit
    Fornit 5 December 2013 13: 50
    0
    Put article plus ...

    Now, my thoughts:
    1. We can even think of investigators from the air force in the rank of sergeants — it will become our idiots. And this already resembles the situation of precisely the 37s, when the GB sergeant was almost equal to the army captain. It’s sad to step on the same rake. I would like to avoid this.
    2. On the aircraft carrier "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov" since 1990 such a unit already existed. It was called the "guard company". First of all, in order to separate the sailors and "police", the latter were dressed in the uniform of Marines, settled separately, given a gym and put them in command of a real Marine - a lieutenant. It went well. I want to bring to the attention of those who read and think that for a ship, on board of which there were only 3000 sailors, this decision was like air. And there was a real "lip", when the guilty sailors, not Habtsy, smoked in the "ship's punishment cell", but with "pencils" they cleaned the pier or spacer from snow and ice, the holds from fuel oil, and the latrine - from shit ...
    By the way, it looked solid and CORRECT when when the sailor with the bayonet-knife (and even with the scabbard) did not meet the arrivals and departures at the outer gangway and the sailing station, but a marine with AKSU. Very disciplined right from the first steps. In addition, they, if necessary, guarded equipment (including aircraft) standing on the upper deck, ammunition, which was loaded in the cellar ABZ, etc. In general, I think this measure was very timely and useful.
    And finally. It used to be that junior officers from the aviation technical personnel were assigned to the night officer patrol. Before the creation of the security company, they were afraid to go down below the 4th deck - they were simply thrown at them in the sailors' quarters and sent them openly. It even came to direct collisions. So after the creation of the company, it was enough for an inspector who discovered any disorder to call the officer on duty and call the guard. After this hour, 4 "violent", under the guidance of an exodus with a machine gun, the flight deck was rammed with a marching step. At the slightest disobedience - the "lip" described above. And in less than a month, discipline on the ship improved by an order of magnitude and the "non-native" officers began to be reckoned with.
    Summary - if you approach the matter sensibly, wisely, then it will be useful. If again for a cut - all down the drain.