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Who leads the “Name of Victory” contest and who leaves it?

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On December 1, 2013, the first round of the Victory Name contest ended, in which Internet users had the opportunity to vote for one military leader or another (a politician who had direct or indirect relation to military affairs). After the first round, 15 "outsiders" of the competition held by the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company (VGTRK) together with the Russian militaryhistorical society under the auspices of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation.


If any of the readers did not have time to vote, then, as they say, there is no reason for sadness, since there are six rounds in the contest and the final is scheduled as the final stage, the results of which will be announced on 9 in May 2014. At any of these stages, voting is conducted through competition site.

This time, the organizers, apparently intending to take into account the obvious blunders of previous similar contests, decided not to use this possibility of voting as an SMS. In addition, it was announced that if an attempt is made to “wind up” votes for a certain candidate through various Internet technologies, the organizers of the competition reserve the right to annul these votes.

According to the results of the first round of the contest “Name of Victory”, three leaders were determined. The result is, to be honest, predictable: the majority of the voters “assigned” the title “Victory Name” to the commander Alexander Suvorov. The choice is more than worthy, although, by and large, choosing the best of a wide range of glorious names is not a simple matter. In the second position after the first round of the competition - Mikhail Kutuzov, and, if I may say so, locked the top three Alexander Nevsky.

Who leads the “Name of Victory” contest and who leaves it?


Last place in the second round of 85 “lucky ones” was taken by Count Alexei Arakcheev (83 place), first Russian Field Marshal Boris Sheremetev (84 place) and, as the site’s organizers say, “possibly the best Russian military leader of the Peter era” Mikhail Golitsyn.
Such people as Mikhail Loris-Melikov (cavalier of the Order of St. Ap. Andrew the First-Called, Commander of the Terek Cossack Army, participant of the Caucasian and Crimean War, and Russian-Turkish War of 1877-1878), Sergey Kamenev (Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Republic, one of the founders of the Red Army), Baron Ferdinand Wintzingerode (Cavalry General, participant in the battles of Austerlitz, under Leipzig (“Battle of the Nations”) and a number of others, in the battle of Lutzen (Lutzen) commanded the Allied cavalry).

In addition to the mentioned personalities, the “losers” of the first round of the contest “Name of Victory” were:

Ivan Paskevich (military leader of the epoch of Nicholas I),

Vladimir Selivachev (military leader, distinguished himself during the Russian-Japanese and the First World Wars);

Peter Wittgenstein (commander of the era of the Patriotic War, Field Marshal General (1826));

Ivan Dibich (military leader under Alexander I and Nikolaev I, full cavalier of St. George);

Fedor Apraksin (a man who is one of the creators of Russian fleet);

Peter Lassi (Russian commander of Irish descent (18-th century));

Jacob Bruce (one of the reformers of the Russian artillery of the Petrine era);

Alexey Basmanov (one of the boyars who led the oprichnina under Ivan IV);

Marshal Pavel Batitsky (one of those Soviet commanders who stood at the origins of the air defense forces);

Nikita Repnin (the hero of the Battle of Poltava; the man in charge of the capture of Riga during the Northern War);

Rodion Bour (one of the military leaders who particularly distinguished themselves in the Battle of Poltava).

The least number of votes on the results of the first round of the competition in question was scored by Alexander Buturlin (cavalier of the Order of St. Ap. Andrew the First-Called, Field Marshal General).

Starting from the second stage, the votes won by the “candidates” in the first round were canceled by the contest organizers, which again leveled the chances. However, while the top three remains unchanged. Although the number of "winners" of the competition can get such military leaders, who are separated from third place by all 0,1% and 0,6% of votes, respectively. This is George Zhukov and Fedor Ushakov. At the moment, about 750 thousands of Internet users have voted.

One of the objectives of the competition is to acquaint citizens with personalities who at different times made a significant contribution to the cause of victory (at a certain historical stage). This goal is being achieved in stages: after the first round was summarized, 15 articles appeared on the site of the Russian Military Historical Society devoted to military leaders who had not made their way into the next stage of the competition. Following the results of the competition, several documentary films will be shot in which the authors will in detail tell about the military achievements of the generals who took the leading positions.

It should be noted that the contest “Name of Victory” is much calmer (as they say, pah-pah, so as not to jinx it) than the previous contests organized by the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company. Of course, this competition also has its own, let’s say, features: well, for example, in the presence of Ivan IV the Terrible, the absence of Peter the Great, as well as the absence of “politically incorrect” among the “competitors”, as the organizers of the competition apparently figured Joseph Stalin (this is in the presence of such "politically correct" as Nestor Makhno or Leon Trotsky). But to argue with the organizers is a thankless task, and therefore there is nothing else left to do either to participate in the competition of the kind that is described, or to ignore it for some reason. In the end, any of our readers can take the initiative to conduct their own competition. Well, for example, a contest in the name of the worst military leader in Russian history. So what? - not everyone was able to solve the assigned tasks with brilliance on the battlefield or at headquarters ...
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  1. PSih2097
    PSih2097 3 December 2013 08: 07
    78
    Who is leading in the "Name of Victory" competition ...

    Of course, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 08: 50
      58
      How many people, so many opinions. In general, they started it in vain, each of their list served Russia and did a lot for it. We sit here and choose the first among equals. It's stupid !!!!!!!!!!
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 3 December 2013 08: 55
        43
        Yeah, especially Trotsky served Russia wassat
        Hi Sasha!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 09: 22
          31
          Quote: klimpopov
          Yeah, especially Trotsky served Russia

          Hi Klim! So Trotsky received the award even in his lifetime. The ice ax was issued with home delivery laughing
          1. ramin_serg
            ramin_serg 3 December 2013 12: 20
            +1
            On house? probably his head was home?
          2. klimpopov
            klimpopov 3 December 2013 12: 33
            +7
            Yes Yes! He already died of happiness receiving an award.
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 3 December 2013 13: 05
              +6
              Quote: klimpopov
              He already died of happiness

              Yes, no. The subsequent autopsy showed that he went on a rendezvous with Mashiach with a surplus Ferrumbut in the head.
              Apparently, it will appear at the Last Judgment, interfering in line with the upcoming Berezovsky with a stylish scarf.
          3. MahsusNazar
            MahsusNazar 3 December 2013 20: 52
            0
            And, which is characteristic, rightly so;)
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 3 December 2013 09: 40
          43
          Quote: klimpopov
          Yeah, especially Trotsky served Russia

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          So Trotsky received the award in his lifetime.
          I'm generally shocked by this "candidacy" belay . Like this non-humans, under the name Leib Davidovich Bronstein; the founder of the doctrine of the destruction of Russia; the developer of the methodology for the genocide of the Russian nation; lover of alpenstock and world revolution; the destroyer of Orthodoxy, unchristian and ghoul, with the essence of an avid Zionist, was included in the list of contestants, request . Sasha, Klim, hi !
          1. Sunjar
            Sunjar 3 December 2013 10: 15
            +6
            Quote: Tersky
            I am generally shocked by this "candidacy". Like this non-human, under the name of Leib Davidovich Bronstein; the founder of the doctrine of the destruction of Russia; developer of the methodology for carrying out the genocide of the Russian nation; lover of alpenstock and world revolutions; destroyer of Orthodoxy, infidelity and ghoul, with the essence of a greedy Zionist, was included in the list of contestants,. Sasha, Klim,!


            Did Kolchak’s personality not shock you? He generally worked for England - a traitor, if you call a spade a spade. But he was still nominated. And the commander of him was shitty.
            1. lukke
              lukke 3 December 2013 14: 08
              +4
              Of course, the land commander from Kolchak is still the same ... but I think his decision to lead the White movement was dictated by the position of the Russian patriot based on the realities of those events, taking into account his worldview. But his merits in the study of the Arctic Ocean and the development of mine-protection in the First World War, no one has yet disputed. According to his maps, up to the middle of the 20th century they walked in the North. And what sympathized with England, so with us, Nicholas II was generally a cousin of the English king, and so what? Kolchak did not even want to conduct any negotiations with the Entente on the proposed partition of Russia in case of victory. It is very unfortunate that many talented people of Russia were crushed by the Civil War rink on both sides.
            2. Denis Davydov
              Denis Davydov 1 January 2014 21: 54
              +1
              Guys, stop empty arguments in this idiotic project of uneducated unicellulars. When I heard about the contest - "The Name of Victory", from the shock for a long time I could not figure out what it was about…. What kind of vegetable could shake this up ... how much you need to be limited, sick ... no words. How far you can go, whether from idleness, or some kind of stupidity .... VICTORY - VICTORY is the name of a great accomplishment of human collective strength, will, honor, love, in the name of the highest values ​​of freedom, peace and creation. VICTORY - VICTORY is a universal criterion for the triumph of the highest qualities and capabilities of Homo sapiens on Earth - it is like God, Creator, Universe, Earth. Better than saying in the words of Mikhail Matusovsky: "What do you say your name is, ....., And she answered, VICTORY".
              And let the one who "loudly shouted from the branches" about this "competition": and incited the people to this blasphemy, rename the name of his mother, fatherland .... RAVE. And to indulge in such a blatant ignorance and sick imagination means to become like this deeply sick single-celled organism.
              Suvorov, Nakhimov, ..., Stalin, Zhukov are symbols of the victories of the Great People, the Great Power of Russia, and each of them represents, to one degree or another, the triumph of the highest achievements of the social formation in the struggle for peace, life: the development and prosperity of the highest values, and the name this triumph - VICTORIA!
          2. LION
            LION 3 December 2013 12: 12
            +6
            In the nomination for the title of Best Counter-Revolutionary of the Year, the "Golden Ice Ax" is awarded to Lyova Trotsky. Applause, comrades.
            Robespierre bites his nails and cries.
          3. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 12: 54
            +1
            Quote: Tersky
            I am generally shocked by this "candidacy"

            Vit, what's surprising if Makhno was thrown into the list.
            Hi hi
          4. MahsusNazar
            MahsusNazar 3 December 2013 20: 54
            +1
            This was the only candidate for the "second" ice ax in the head
          5. Theophanes
            Theophanes 3 December 2013 23: 52
            0
            So what do you want? Libers made lists !!! Therefore, being afraid of the results, they did not include Stalin. But Trotsky and others who hated Russia were stuck because they were destroying the Russian people! And fulfilled all the demands of the Euro-rogues.
        3. ammunition
          ammunition 3 December 2013 11: 23
          27
          Quote: klimpopov
          Yeah, especially Trotsky served Russia


          If it were my will, I would remove from the lists all the civil commanders.
          And white .. and red .. and green .. everyone. Not because I do not respect anyone .. but just in the internecine war .. not that honor .. chtoli.
          ---------
          And further. It’s a pity that few people know now Great Russian commander: Rumyantsev - Transdanubian.
          But it was he who taught Suvorov. He was among the winners of the Swedish War and the Seven Years War. It was before him that the king of Prussia Frederick was taking off his hat. This is the first time Rumyantsev applied the loose system. This is the first time Rumyantsev applied blow columns in the section. This Rumyantsev with 28-th thousand soldiers against 250-th thousand under Cahul scattered all this Caudle. And the Nogais from the rear .. and the main strength of the Turks from the front.
          This is Rumyantsev as commander in chief, won two Turkish wars. .. Oh! Long could go on .. What is the use ??
          ... Anyway ... even Lieutenant Colonel Kappel will be put in front of the great Field Marshal. recourse
          1. LION
            LION 3 December 2013 14: 34
            +2
            They also forgot Field Marshal Pyotr Saltykov, the winner of Frederick II. Anyway, many can be named and remembered. But on the Civil War, I agree 200 percent.
        4. tchack
          tchack 3 December 2013 12: 53
          +4
          But Tukhachevsky did even more ... straight regiments of the Polish factory of the Samasulepet ...
        5. Gladiatir-zlo
          Gladiatir-zlo 4 December 2013 19: 54
          -2
          Yes, Trotsky, he was a noble campaigner, his speeches should have been published for each regular anniversary of the October Revolution, well, Schaub was reason to feel nostalgic about the lost paradise.
      2. yan
        yan 3 December 2013 09: 06
        22
        Stalin's absence from this list reduces the whole undertaking to zero. And the competition itself is again ill-conceived, all of the same size, And I absolutely agree with Andrey Yuryevich's comment. Casting among HEROES is unacceptable. Liberal distraction with anything
        1. Very old
          Very old 3 December 2013 09: 32
          21
          Together we vote AGAINST such insanity
          The name of the Hero is PEOPLE
          1. yurii p
            yurii p 3 December 2013 09: 51
            +1
            that's right, collect all the contestants in one period of time, they will not win a single battle without the participation of the people.
          2. yan
            yan 3 December 2013 11: 13
            +3
            I agree 200% !!! It has always been like this "The Great Soviet People-People-Winner!"
        2. voliador
          voliador 3 December 2013 22: 40
          -11 qualifying.
          Quote: yan
          Stalin's absence from this list reduces the whole venture to zero

          Do not explain why? Who else but Stalin is to blame for the fact that the Germans reached Moscow and the Caucasus? How many competent military men, senior command personnel, did he send to the camps and to the wall? Wouldn't you say why Molotov read the address to the people and not Stalin? So I'll tell you - he was settled at that moment, and when Molotov, Kaganovich and other our party bosses arrived at his dacha, he thought that they had come to arrest him. So rightly it was not turned on!
          1. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 4 December 2013 17: 40
            +4
            Quote: voliador
            Who else but Stalin is to blame for the fact that the Germans reached Moscow and the Caucasus?

            Indeed? That's all, first of all, the command of the Red Army, nothing to do with, starting with the chief of the General Staff, ending with the commanders of the districts ... nothing to do with it? But byaka Stalin ... well, here he is definitely guilty !!!!! In the words of the bald maize, he commanded the troops "across the globe"!
            Only here, according to other sources, I.V. Stalin remembered ALL the division commanders, not only by last name, but also by name and patronymic.
            Quote: voliador
            How many competent military men, senior commandos did he send to camps and to the wall?

            In order for the NKVD to send "competent military personnel, senior commanders" to the camps and to the wall, a visa was needed from the corresponding senior military commander. The corporal, after an attempt on his life in 1944, bit his elbows, which did not arrange such a preventive cleaning in the leadership of the OKW and OKH. Read at your leisure Rezun "Purification", where the traitor clearly, for your level, painted the situation with the purges of the Red Army.
            Bike from Khrushch that "Stalin was scared" leave for internal use in the company of your equal! Unlike you, Koba arranged expropriations for the needs of the RSDLP (b) was in exile, fled from exile. It was STALIN!
            Quote: voliador
            So rightly it was not turned on!

            Include your Rule in your causal place.
            1. Basileus
              Basileus 4 December 2013 19: 16
              -2
              Let's go the other way around? Foaming at the mouth, you prove that Stalin is the cause of victory. And how it came to defeat - anyone, but not him. Less fanaticism, more brain work.
              1. vladkavkaz
                vladkavkaz 1 January 2014 22: 23
                0
                Basileus
                Well, do not show bad liberal fanaticism, foaming at the mouth, prove all the obvious and, by the vast majority, IMAGINARY guilt, I. Stalin.
                The war was won under his leadership - EVERYTHING is the point, it is better to shut up, and do not yell like some kind of old very, gurgling about "people won"
                Always remember the old proverb dating back to the time of the Great Rome-The Herd of Lions, led by Baran, will always lose the Herd of Sheeps led by Leo.
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      3. svp67
        svp67 3 December 2013 09: 10
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        We sit here and choose the first among equals. It's stupid !!!!!!!!!!

        I agree for 1000%
      4. Denis Davydov
        Denis Davydov 1 January 2014 22: 17
        0
        You aptly noticed - STUPID! It is foolish to participate in STUPIDITY!
        VICTORY - VICTORY is the name of a great accomplishment of human collective strength, will, honor, love, in the name of the highest values ​​of freedom, peace and creation. VICTORY - VICTORY is a universal criterion for the triumph of the highest qualities and capabilities of Homo sapiens on Earth - it is like God, Creator, Universe, Earth. Better than saying in the words of Mikhail Matusovsky: "What do you say your name is, ....., And she answered, VICTORY".
        And let the one who "loudly shouted from the branches" about this "competition": and incited the people to this blasphemy, rename the name of his mother, fatherland .... RAVE. And to indulge in such a blatant ignorance and sick imagination means to become like this deeply sick single-celled organism.
        Suvorov, Nakhimov, ..., Stalin, Zhukov are symbols of the victories of the Great People, the Great Power of Russia, and each of them represents, to one degree or another, the triumph of the highest achievements of the social formation in the struggle for peace, life: the development and prosperity of the highest values, and the name this triumph - VICTORIA!
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 3 December 2013 08: 59
      22
      I do not understand the meaning of these "elections"! All in the article are people who were sick of the soul and were happy for Russia (USSR)! how can you choose which of them is more devoted to the Fatherland? who is HE, Major Gavrilov, who was the last to defend the Brest Fortress? He is the best? or those guys that died on the first day? Yes, they are ALL heroes !!! what kind of fashion has gone to arrange all sorts of auditions? in my opinion so complete! fool
      1. unclevad
        unclevad 3 December 2013 09: 13
        19
        "I don't understand the meaning of this" election "!"
        I fully support! The name of victory is not one person! THIS IS A HUGE LIST THAT BEGINS WITH THIS LIST AND ENDS WITH THE SURNAMES OF THE BOYS STANDING ON THE CRATES FOR THE MACHINES AND WHICH HAS BEEN WHITENING MACHINES! Why be like the Americans! Their "Captains America" ​​won wars alone. We do not need to plant this ideology! Instead of voting, it is better to remember them by name.
        1. unclevad
          unclevad 3 December 2013 09: 14
          0
          By the way, someone makes good money on these SMS.
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 3 December 2013 09: 23
            +5
            Quote: unclevad
            By the way, someone makes good money on these SMS.

            SMS now do not channel. But you can go with a changed aypishnik at least for days on end. Such a simple ficus is able to do not the most stupid shkolota.
            And whoever can not, for that they left a loophole. One VOTE FOR DAY. Who is not lazy, count how many each of us (relatively honestly), during the voting period, you can "vote".

            Those who understand IT technologies easily level ANY voting results. And do not dig.
      2. Very old
        Very old 3 December 2013 09: 29
        +2
        I would finish the last phrase for you: a beautiful northern animal - the arctic fox is calling
      3. hohryakov066
        hohryakov066 3 December 2013 10: 05
        0
        I agree with you on 200%!
      4. Krasnoarmeec
        Krasnoarmeec 3 December 2013 12: 59
        0
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Yes they are ALL heroes !!! what kind of fashion went to arrange all sorts of auditions? in my opinion so complete! fool


        Banal pumping out the dough !!!!! And nothing more .....
        1. Denis Davydov
          Denis Davydov 1 January 2014 22: 01
          +1
          Guys, stop empty arguments in this idiotic project of uneducated unicellulars. When I heard about the contest - "The Name of Victory", from the shock for a long time I could not figure out what it was about ... What kind of vegetable could shake this up ... how much you need to be limited, sick ... no words. How far you can go, whether from idleness, or some kind of stupidity .... VICTORY - VICTORY is the name of a great accomplishment of human collective strength, will, honor, love, in the name of the highest values ​​of freedom, peace and creation. VICTORY - VICTORY is a universal criterion for the triumph of the highest qualities and capabilities of Homo sapiens on Earth - it is like God, Creator, Universe, Earth. Better than saying in the words of Mikhail Matusovsky: "What do you say your name is, ....., And she answered, VICTORY".
          And let the one who "loudly shouted from the branches" about this "competition": and incited the people to this blasphemy, rename the name of his mother, fatherland .... RAVE. And to indulge in such a blatant ignorance and sick imagination means to become like this deeply sick single-celled organism.
          Suvorov, Nakhimov, ..., Stalin, Zhukov are symbols of the victories of the Great People, the Great Power of Russia, and each of them represents, to one degree or another, the triumph of the highest achievements of the social formation in the struggle for peace, life: the development and prosperity of the highest values, and the name this triumph - VICTORIA!
      5. Denis Davydov
        Denis Davydov 1 January 2014 21: 58
        0
        VICTORY - VICTORY is the name of a great accomplishment of human collective strength, will, honor, love, in the name of the highest values ​​of freedom, peace and creation. VICTORY - VICTORY is a universal criterion for the triumph of the highest qualities and capabilities of Homo sapiens on Earth - it is like God, Creator, Universe, Earth. Better than saying in the words of Mikhail Matusovsky: "What do you say your name is, ....., And she answered, VICTORY".
        Suvorov, Nakhimov, ..., Stalin, Zhukov are symbols of the victories of the Great People, the Great Russian Power, and each of them personifies, in one way or another, the triumph of the highest achievements of the social formation in the struggle for peace, life: the development and prosperity of the highest values, and the name this triumph - VICTORIA! VICTORY!
    3. Ptah
      Ptah 3 December 2013 09: 13
      0
      Quote: PSih2097
      Of course, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin.

      With all due respect to Stalin’s personality, but with a double attitude to some actions in the years of his wild youth, I’ll say.
      Stalin is inappropriate in this contest. For as a military leader leading regiments to ATAKU, he did not take place at all. And the competition, as it seems to me, is intended to highlight TEN COLUMNERS. Although this is IMHO.

      Then, logically, it is necessary to put to the vote both Ivan the Terrible, and Catherine II, and Alexander I, and Brezhnev (?) belay ....
      Then, as it is not disgusting to realize, Upyr-Leiba, who drove thousands of Ententeans across the country, should also be there.
      This is exactly the case where one spoon of shit does not spoil a barrel of honey. And what? Let him be present. T.S. to feel the comparison. And for a laugh ....
      But screams about "anti-Semitism" will begin.
      What .....

      In general, and by what criteria should I choose? I am in doubt .... what
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 3 December 2013 10: 04
        +5
        Quote: Ptah
        For as a military leader leading regiments to ATAKU, he did not take place at all. And the competition, as it seems to me, is called upon to single out the TEN COLUMNERS.

        The fact is that they do not choose a commander, but the name of victory and who is associated with it. hi
        1. svp67
          svp67 3 December 2013 10: 08
          +9
          Quote: bomg.77
          The fact is that they do not choose a commander, but the name of victory and who is associated with it


          From the speech of I.V. Stalin on November 7.11.1941, XNUMX
          ... Comrades, Red Army and Red Navy, commanders and political workers, partisans and partisans! The whole world looks at you as a force capable of destroying the plundering hordes of German invaders. The enslaved peoples of Europe, who have fallen under the yoke of the German invaders, look at you as their liberators. The great liberation mission has fallen to your lot. Be worthy of this mission! The war you are waging is a war of liberation, a just war. May the courageous image of our great ancestors inspire you in this war - Alexander Nevsky, Dimitri Donskoy, Kuzma Minin, Dimitri Pozharsky, Alexander Suvorov, Mikhail Kutuzov! .
          1. Denis Davydov
            Denis Davydov 1 January 2014 22: 03
            0
            Victory has one name - VICTORIA! VICTORY!
            VICTORY - VICTORY is a universal criterion for the triumph of the highest qualities and capabilities of Homo sapiens on Earth - it is like God, Creator, Universe, Earth. Better than saying in the words of Mikhail Matusovsky: "What do you say your name is, ....., And she answered, VICTORY".
            And let the one who "loudly shouted from the branches" about this "competition": and incited the people to this blasphemy, rename the name of his mother, fatherland .... RAVE. And to indulge in such a blatant ignorance and sick imagination means to become like this deeply sick single-celled organism.
            Suvorov, Nakhimov, ..., Stalin, Zhukov are symbols of the victories of the Great People, the Great Power of Russia, and each of them represents, to one degree or another, the triumph of the highest achievements of the social formation in the struggle for peace, life: the development and prosperity of the highest values, and the name this triumph - VICTORIA!
        2. Ptah
          Ptah 3 December 2013 10: 51
          +2
          Quote: bomg.77
          The fact is that they do not choose a commander, but the name of victory and who is associated with it.

          Let's say. Do not consider it nitpicking for words, but such names as Troshev, Lebed, or even Pugachev with Denikin (?) About what VICTORIES can tell us. Over whom?

          But I must say that the top ten looks very decent.
          Add Ermolov (11th place) and someone from the Soviet naval commanders there. And you can tie up with "casting".
          Already normal.
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 3 December 2013 11: 18
            +4
            Quote: Ptah
            Let's say. Do not consider it nitpicking for words, but such names as Troshev, Lebed, or even Pugachev with Denikin (?) About what VICTORIES can tell us. Over whom?
            I was still surprised at the presence of Trotsky and Tukhachevsky on this list. Yes, and in general it’s all wrong with these competitions ..
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 3 December 2013 11: 46
              0
              Quote: bomg.77
              Anyway, these are all wrong contests ..

              In my opinion, everything here is of such an opinion.
              I would like to formally ask the organizers, such "mass entertainers" unfinished.
              What selection criteria were implied? Who will cut more people from the surface of the globe? Let it be in the interests of Russia.
              Then the presence of Kumachovo-bloody Trotsky is appropriate. Then what is the "profit" of Russia? Maybe they will bring Gorbochort with EBN? And Nanotolia Chubais with a fat boy-Gaidar.

              Leave as it is a dozen COLUMNERS and it is time to round up.
            2. Denis Davydov
              Denis Davydov 1 January 2014 22: 05
              0
              VICTORY - VICTORY is a universal criterion for the triumph of the highest qualities and capabilities of Homo sapiens on Earth - it is like God, Creator, Universe, Earth. Better than saying in the words of Mikhail Matusovsky: "What do you say your name is, ....., And she answered, VICTORY".
              And let the one who “loudly shouted from the branches” about this “competition”: and incited the people to this nonsense, rename the name of his mother, fatherland…. RAVE. And to indulge such a blatant lack of education and sick imagination means to become like this deeply sick single-celled organism.
              Suvorov, Nakhimov, ..., Stalin, Zhukov are symbols of the victories of the Great People, the Great Power of Russia, and each of them represents, to one degree or another, the triumph of the highest achievements of the social formation in the struggle for peace, life: the development and prosperity of the highest values, and the name this triumph - VICTORIA!
        3. Ascetic
          Ascetic 3 December 2013 10: 58
          +4
          Quote: bomg.77
          The fact is that they do not choose a commander, but the name of victory and who is associated with it.


          In Chechnya, it will be Imam Shamil and Kadyrov, and in Tatarstan, Genghis Khan, or, for example, Batu. If you include Stalin in the competition, he will take first place (if without cheating and throwing votes). The result of the competition would be predictable in advance. And without Stalin, the holding and idea of ​​the competition loses all meaning, because with his name the Victory is associated with the date of which the competition is timed. In general, all these contests, tops, ratings and shows came to us from the West. where the media business, in the pursuit of profit, stir up a lazy Western bourgeois man in the street, tear him away from another "ass-warmer", make him strain his brain, which has swollen with fat, and present all this in a bright and captivating package like a competition or a show with elements of competition to "intellectual consumer ”Did not get bored and picked up the remote control. thereby providing them with a popularity rating and, accordingly, profit in the form of advertising contracts and investments in projects.
          I completely agree with Nikolai Starikov on this issue, because there is nothing more to add
          In Russia over a thousand-year history, there were many truly great commanders, and why do we need to rank them? If we start to find out who is "cooler" - Alexander Suvorov or Mikhail Kutuzov, it will not lead to anything good in the end. We need to talk more about all the commanders, about all the heroes of Russia. This is, in my opinion, the surest method of patriotic education "
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 3 December 2013 12: 06
            +2
            These contests do more harm than good, which was confirmed in the scandal between the Kolomna Kremlin and the mosque in Chechnya! Sometimes it seems that they are being held for this purpose! I agree with Starikov, and with you too hi
          2. Basileus
            Basileus 3 December 2013 12: 21
            -6
            Genghis Khan with Batu, lol. You would at least take an interest in history before you carry nonsense.

            What makes you think that Stalin will take first place? Zhukov, Konev, Rokossovsky - they led people into battle, they commanded armies. Stalin was the ruler. As it was rightly said here, in this case, all the kings should be included in the list.
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 3 December 2013 16: 19
              +7
              Quote: Basileus
              What makes you think that Stalin will take first place?

              Quote: Basileus
              Zhukov, Konev, Rokossovsky - they led people into battle, they commanded armies. Stalin was the ruler


              Stalin was the Supreme Commander of the army of the country that won the war.
              Or Zhukov and Rokossovsky fought on their own where they wanted and how they wanted?
              No, it was Stalin who arranged them in accordance with the situation and taking into account their personal qualities and the professionalism of military leaders. He was truly the Supreme Commander in the entire sense of this position, and in many respects it is to him that we owe our victory over the enemy ...
              it was impossible to defeat “contrary” to Stalin, as liberals usually say. If we adhere to this point of view, then let us ask ourselves: why did not the Germans win in spite of Hitler, why did the French not win in spite of Napoleon? The role of the commander, the role of the individual in the history of military conflicts is in many ways decisive.
              -N. Starikov
              1. Basileus
                Basileus 4 December 2013 09: 49
                -1
                I do not see in the list of kings "commanders in chief" in this case. Did Stalin have a headquarters, or was he alone, single-member, deciding everything, placing and commanding everything? He was a symbol, a leader, after whom and with whose name they followed, a banner, if you like. But not a military leader.

                I knew that we had a bunch of Stalinist Imperials here, but I didn't think so)
            2. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 3 December 2013 18: 00
              +4
              Quote: Basileus
              Zhukov, Konev, Rokossovsky

              Yeah, Comrade Red Army men! For the beloved comrade. G.K.Zhukova on the attack! Hurray-ah!
              Arrange the named ones in reverse order! And at the top of the list of J.V. Stalin!
              1. Denis Davydov
                Denis Davydov 1 January 2014 22: 11
                0
                To enter into such an argument is like signing your own ignorance.
                Victory has a name, and there can be no other way, better than the words of Mikhail Matusovsky not to say: "What is your name, ....., And she answered, VICTORY." Stalin, Zhukov, like Suvorov, Nakhimov ..., these are the Great symbols of the trimfal Russian VICTORIA! VICTORY! Victory, good over evil!
          3. i.xxx-1971
            i.xxx-1971 3 December 2013 18: 16
            +1
            For this purpose, the competition is being held: they want to make us forget about the one led by whom we won. And when we forget, we will be forced to forget that we generally won. A man 60 years old died, and they still crouch under him on his behalf.
      2. Yura
        Yura 3 December 2013 10: 14
        +1
        Hi, Ivan the Terrible took part in the voting. )
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 3 December 2013 18: 12
          +1
          Quote: Eureka
          Hi, Ivan the Terrible took part in the voting. )

          A member of the forum with "Greetings": ALL rumors about the participation of Ivan Vasilyevich in this event are malicious speculations of the Rzhech Pospolita and its proteges! Calls to vote for Józef Pilsudski, address the participant Jurik.
    4. Revolver
      Revolver 3 December 2013 09: 55
      +3
      Quote: PSih2097
      Who is leading in the "Name of Victory" competition ...

      Of course, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin.

      And further "Private infantry Vanya"© Maestro," Only old men go to battle "
      1. i.xxx-1971
        i.xxx-1971 3 December 2013 18: 18
        0
        So Stalin I.V. and told the generals at a banquet dedicated to the celebration of Victory.
    5. spd2001
      spd2001 3 December 2013 10: 16
      +1
      I am surprised that there is no Marshal of Victory G.K. on this list. Zhukov. I'm very surprised.
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 3 December 2013 10: 25
        +3
        Quote: spd2001
        I am surprised that there is no Marshal of Victory G.K. on this list. Zhukov. Very surprised

        There is. On the 4 place.
        1. spd2001
          spd2001 3 December 2013 10: 40
          0
          for sure, I didn’t immediately bother to go to the voting site. I thought that the article published a full list of applicants.
      2. washi
        washi 3 December 2013 10: 27
        0
        Quote: spd2001
        in the presence of such "politically correct" as Nestor Makhno or Leon Trotsky

        What battle did he win?
        The capture of Berlin will not be considered a win
        1. spd2001
          spd2001 3 December 2013 10: 39
          0
          It's sarcasm?
    6. vyatom
      vyatom 3 December 2013 12: 19
      0
      And where are our glorious naval commanders?
      Ushakov, Nakhimov, Istomin
      1. spd2001
        spd2001 3 December 2013 14: 41
        +1
        This question is from the category I asked))) They are also there, you just need to "go" to the voting site to see)))
    7. Turik
      Turik 3 December 2013 14: 30
      0
      Knowing the logic of our TV, I expected candidates from commanders like Batka Makhno or Vlasov hand in hand with Bandera.

      They surprised even a little, although there are Zhukov.
      1. spd2001
        spd2001 3 December 2013 14: 45
        0
        There is a dad)))
      2. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 3 December 2013 18: 39
        -1
        Quote: Turik
        expected candidates from commanders like Batka Makhno or Vlasov hand in hand with Bandera.

        Pioneer! To bring down the PEOPLE'S leader, the leader of the struggle of the Little Russian peasantry against the invaders and zhrebetnikov in one company with the traitor and the enemy is not together! Nestor Ivanovich was overwhelmed by a lot, his memory was poured with filthy slops, and he, in the history of Russia, in her people's memory, is the PROTECTOR of the peasantry.
    8. MahsusNazar
      MahsusNazar 3 December 2013 20: 39
      0
      The height of idiocy and stupidity !!!
      How to call an outsider (what a disgusting word), any of the list ??????
      Each of the named is a WINNER, and I consider it a crime to divide these NAMES into "winners" and "losers" !!!
    9. alone
      alone 3 December 2013 21: 28
      +1
      According to the results of the first round of the "Name of Victory" competition, three leaders were determined. The result, frankly speaking, is predictable: the majority of those who voted “awarded” the title “Name of Victory” to the commander Alexander Suvorov. The choice is more than worthy, although, by and large, choosing the best from a wide galaxy of glorious names is not a simple matter. In the second position after the first round of the competition is Mikhail Kutuzov, and, if I may say so, Alexander Nevsky closed the top three.


      Quite a fair three.
    10. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 4 December 2013 20: 24
      -1
      Quote: PSih2097
      Of course, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin.


      And how many victories did Stalin win? Stalin was an excellent statesman / politician, BUT one should not forget about his mistakes. And if a dispute has already begun, then Suvorov Alexander Vasilyevich deserves more the right to this title, as a person who has served his country and his people all his life, and did not rush to power.
    11. Denis Davydov
      Denis Davydov 1 January 2014 22: 21
      0
      Better than saying in the words of Mikhail Matusovsky: "What do you say your name is, ....., And she answered, VICTORY".
      In Stalin, Zhukov, like all the Great Men of RUSSIAN HISTORY - symbols of the Great Name of Russian VICTORIA! VICTORY!

      To invent a name for the VICTORY order is nonsense!

      Administration of the site and other "smart guys" - send to primary school - Learn, Learn and Learn! In order not to powder the brains of people with their ignorance.
    12. Denis Davydov
      Denis Davydov 1 January 2014 23: 07
      0
      IN THE LEADING STUFF and IGNORANCE!
      How far can one reach, whether from idleness, or from drinking. VICTORY - VICTORY is the name of a great achievement of human, collective strength, will, honor, love, in the name of the highest values ​​of freedom, peace and creation. VICTORY - VICTORY is a universal criterion for the triumph of the highest qualities and capabilities of Homo sapiens on Earth - it is like God, Creator, Universe, Earth. Better than saying in the words of Mikhail Matusovsky: "What do you say your name is, ....., And she answered, VICTORY".
      And let the one who "loudly shouted from the branches" about this "competition": and incited the people to this blasphemy, rename the name of his mother, fatherland .... RAVE. And to indulge in such a blatant ignorance and sick imagination means to become like this deeply sick single-celled organism.
      Suvorov, Nakhimov, ..., Stalin, Zhukov are symbols of the victories of the Great People, the Great Power of Russia, and each of them represents, to one degree or another, the triumph of the highest achievements of the social formation in the struggle for peace, life: the development and prosperity of the highest values, and the name this triumph - VICTORIA!
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 December 2013 08: 12
    +6
    It is a natural result of the selection of the best generals. Obviously, A. Suvorov will be at the head of the list of undoubtedly the best people of all military eras.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 3 December 2013 08: 23
      +4
      Suvorov is undoubtedly the best military leader in Russia (I voted for him), but Stalin was the name of the victory for me, and he was not included in the list. It would be interesting to see how people's opinion about him changed after tons of dirt and lies in 90's.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 3 December 2013 08: 56
        +3
        Quote: bomg.77
        Suvorov is without a doubt the best military leader

        It is possible for the 18th century. But comparing the commanders of different eras is not correct, but by and large it is stupid. Therefore, voting is a complete mess.
        I already wrote in the comments (November 6 at 11.38, article "New competition" Name Victory "...) about this.
        The results were predicted even then. The reason is the policy pursued by the VGTRK channel.
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 3 December 2013 09: 16
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          .But compare commanders of different eras is not correct
          I agree with this. In general, I think the contest is not correct, they were all good and all their affairs were significant for Russia. To raise one, mean to belittle the rest.
      2. ZU-23
        ZU-23 3 December 2013 08: 59
        -6
        I agree for Suvorov, Stalin is also a fine fellow as the name of victory, but without victory he is still a scumbag.
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 3 December 2013 18: 45
          +1
          Quote: ZU-23
          Stalin is also great as the name of victory, but without victory he is still a scumbag

          EXECUTE CANNOT BE FORGIVEN! Decide in your choice, otherwise you have according to the principle (unprincipled): "If my grandmother had a member, she would be a grandfather."
      3. svp67
        svp67 3 December 2013 09: 12
        +2
        Quote: bomg.77
        Suvorov is undoubtedly the best military leader in Russia (I voted for him)

        Suvorov is an excellent TACTIC, but the best STRATEG is Kutuzov ... so choose ...
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 3 December 2013 11: 30
          0
          Quote: svp67
          Suvorov is an excellent TACTIC, but the best STRATEG is Kutuzov ... so choose ...
          Sergey Would you give a vote to a teacher or student?
          1. Very old
            Very old 3 December 2013 16: 17
            +2
            Well, just a fake SHOW.
            Who do you love more: dad or mom?
            I will never separate them
            And I won't vote
            Russia does not have the First, Russia does not have the Last
            1. shpuntik
              shpuntik 5 December 2013 11: 58
              0
              Old very RU December 3, 2013 16:17 ↑
              Well, just a fake SHOW.
              Who do you love more: dad or mom?

              Correctly noted: they bred us on chaff. Like choose one of the best.
              On the contrary, it is necessary: ​​a hundred of the best generals of Russia against the generals of Europe and Asia. The best battles and battles. Introduce into the school curriculum. In the exam, when entering the institute, ask. Etc...
          2. svp67
            svp67 3 December 2013 19: 50
            0
            Quote: bomg.77
            Sergey Would you give a vote to a teacher or student?

            To the Russian soldier ...
      4. Denis Davydov
        Denis Davydov 1 January 2014 22: 15
        0
        To enter into such an argument is like signing your own ignorance.
        Victory has a name, and there can be no other way, and it is better not to say with the words of Mikhail Matusovsky: "What is your name, ....., And she answered, VICTORY." Stalin, Zhukov, like Suvorov, Nakhimov and other monogeous heroes of Russia, are the Great symbols of the triumphant Russian VICTORIA! VICTORY! Victory, good over evil!
    2. Horde
      Horde 3 December 2013 08: 35
      -46 qualifying.
      Quote: aszzz888
      Obviously A. Suvorov will head the list of undoubtedly the best people of all military eras.


      and where and for whose interests did this named general fight by you? Do not forget that Suvorov was a chain dog of German Catherine.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 3 December 2013 08: 43
        +5
        Quote: Horde
        and where and for whose interests did the commander named by you fight
        He was a military man, not a politician! He did his job well. My minus hi
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 3 December 2013 08: 45
        17
        Quote: Horde
        and where and for whose interests did this named general fight by you? Do not forget that Suvorov was a chain dog of German Catherine.

        Ah-ah-ah! And for whose interests was he supposed to fight? He is the GREAT RUSSIAN GOVERNOR! And on his work "The Science of Victory" many generations of glorious warriors were brought up! And his attitude towards ordinary soldiers, defending the RUSSIAN, and not the fashionable Western, always served as an example for officers. And it is not for nothing that Suvorov and Nakhimov schools appeared in our country - the USSR! And for some reason they did not hesitate to call them by the names of the "watchdogs of tsarism"!
        Minus to you, dear!
      3. Tersky
        Tersky 3 December 2013 08: 47
        14
        Quote: Horde
        Do not forget that Suvorov was a chain dog of German Catherine.

        Do not forget that this "chain dog" brought such a number of victories to the piggy bank of Russia that your comment is at least inappropriate, at most - provocative-hamster. Minus.
      4. Skarte
        Skarte 3 December 2013 08: 50
        +7
        And so what? Has he ceased to represent the interests of the state, has he ceased to conquer territories, to expand borders? Everything that was conquered became part of the Russian Empire. Is envy gnawing?
      5. Humpty
        Humpty 3 December 2013 08: 50
        +6
        Quote: Horde

        and where and for whose interests did this named general fight by you? Do not forget that Suvorov was a chain dog of German Catherine.


        -Doctor, it seems to me that I am surrounded by some n ... sy! ...
        Think for a minute about you, whether this anecdote.
      6. aszzz888
        aszzz888 3 December 2013 08: 52
        +3
        In vain you, so, Mr. Horde. soldier
      7. Ptah
        Ptah 3 December 2013 08: 59
        +7
        Quote: Horde
        CHAIN ​​DOG OF GERMAN CATHERINE.

        That "German" did for Russia no less than many other "gussies". What does the definition of "Russian" mean - for now we will not ... List the merits of Sophie Auguste Friederike von Anhalt-Zerbst-Dornburg, in Orthodoxy Ekaterina Aleksevna, with all her jambs - too.
        In your words, "watchdogs" were ALL COMMANDERS. Another expression "chain dog"(for me) a symbol of loyalty. To the ruler (antagonism to the liberal), the country, its people, age-old values, etc.

        I will not be original. Minus......
      8. svp67
        svp67 3 December 2013 09: 13
        0
        Quote: Horde
        Do not forget that Suvorov was a chain dog of German Catherine.

        Oh, DO NOT THINK it said ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 09: 25
          +6
          Quote: svp67

          Oh, DO NOT THINK it said ...

          No thinking, the Horde defends the "real" history of Russia from Fomenko and others. Hence what is written.
      9. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 09: 24
        +3
        Quote: Horde
        Do not forget that Suvorov was a chain dog of German Catherine.

        And here is the historian from Mr. Fomenko fool Horde, though you yourself understand what nonsense you are talking about?
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 3 December 2013 13: 12
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And here is the historian from Mr. Fomenko Orda, though you yourself understand what nonsense you are talking about?

          Well, maybe the Horde sometimes overdoes it, but fans of traditional history will agree that there is more than enough i.dio.tism in it.
          Monument to Suvorov in St. Petersburg.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 3 December 2013 13: 14
            +1
            And this is at the monument on the chest. What can the traditionalists think of in explanation.
            1. Horde
              Horde 3 December 2013 13: 39
              -1
              Quote: baltika-18
              And this is at the monument on the chest. What can the traditionalists think of in explanation.


              but the bronze horseman, what do you think he is wearing? this is very typical for warm Russian latitudes laughing
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 3 December 2013 14: 01
                +3
                “My monument will be simple ... I will limit myself only to the statue of this hero, whom I do not interpret either as a great commander or as a winner, although he, of course, was both. The personality of the creator-legislator is much higher ... ”The sculptor portrayed Peter in an emphasized dynamic state, dressed him in simple and light clothes, which, according to the sculptor, belong to“ all nations, all men and all centuries; in a word, this is a heroic robe. " He replaced the rich saddle with a bear skin, which symbolizes a nation civilized by a sovereign. The pedestal in the form of a huge rock is a symbol of the difficulties overcome by Peter I, and the snake introduced into the composition is a witty find in solving the problem of ensuring the static stability of the monument. Its appearance under the feet of a rearing horse is quite convincingly explained by the fact that it depicts "hostile forces." And only a laurel wreath crowning the head, and a sword hanging at the waist, indicate the role of Peter as the victorious commander.

                Sandals. The same meaning as that of the monument to Suvorov.
                Simplicity and greatness. By analogy with the EMPIERS OF THE GREAT ROME.

                Well, if you purposefully look for something, then you can reward this fellow wassat
                1. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 3 December 2013 14: 54
                  0
                  Quote: Ptah
                  Well, if you purposefully look for something, then you can reward this

                  I look at history not as an "idealist crucian", but as a techie.
                  Question: how was the pebble delivered to the Bronze Horseman? Weight 1500-2000 tons.
                  The traditional schemes of historians, which are given in the historical literature, will not work. Nobody has canceled the laws of physics, as well as materials and terms.
            2. Ptah
              Ptah 3 December 2013 13: 53
              +2
              A hint of Paul I?
              In the reign of which was established, at the behest of Emperor Paul I, the commander made his famous campaign in Italy, for which he received the title of "Italian".
              1. 11111mail.ru
                11111mail.ru 3 December 2013 19: 18
                +2
                Quote: Ptah
                received the title of "Italic".

                Not a title, but a title PRINCE ITALIAN.
                1. Ptah
                  Ptah 5 December 2013 10: 09
                  0
                  Quote: 11111mail.ru
                  Not a title, but a title

                  Thank you! hi
                  Then make an amendment and here -
                  ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suvorov Monument_ (St. Petersburg)
            3. chehywed
              chehywed 3 December 2013 14: 23
              +1
              Quote: baltika-18
              And this is at the monument on the chest. What do you think in the explanation of the traditional


              The monument to A. V. Suvorov was erected at the behest of the emperor Paul I, in the reign of which the commander made his famous campaign in Italy, for which he received the title of "Italian".
              On the round pedestal of the monument made of granite there is an inscription: “Prince of Italy, Count Suvorov-Rymniksky. 1801g. "

              Sapienti sat ...
            4. EdwardTich68
              EdwardTich68 3 December 2013 16: 26
              +2
              Probably all the same Paul 1st and not what you think. laughing
              1. EdwardTich68
                EdwardTich68 3 December 2013 18: 51
                +1
                Or maybe Peter the 1st erected a monument to Suvorov in advance, foreseeing that he would appear.
            5. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 3 December 2013 19: 16
              +1
              Quote: baltika-18
              this is at the monument on the chest.

              According to the spelling rules of the Russian language, at the end of this sentence such a sign "?" Should be indicated! If there is no question mark, no answer is required.
              Try to solve a simple problem; if A.V.Suvorov died in May 1800, and Emperor Paul I in March 1801, would the monogram of Catherine II or Alexander I be appropriate on the chest of "Russian Mars"?
          2. Ptah
            Ptah 3 December 2013 13: 46
            +1
            Quote: baltika-18
            in it there is more than enough dioism.

            Why so soon? And in the time of Paul I had their own "tsereteli".
            And so, with an eye on Hellenic-Roman mythology, it is allegorical, symbolic, enchanting (?).
            It's still better than this.

            й


            But there are also quite "suitable" ones.

            у

            кк


            From Wikipedia -
            Initially, the monument to Field Marshal was located on the Field of Mars, at the Moika. In the reign of Emperor Alexander I, the monument was moved to the place where it is today. Monument to Suvorov - the first monument to an uncrowned person in Russia. Prior to this, in Russia, monuments were erected only by tsars and emperors.
            The authorship of the monument belongs to the sculptor M. I. Kozlovsky, who worked on the monument from 1799 to 1801 year. On the pedestal is the figure of a field marshal in the allegorical form of Mars, with a raised sword in his right hand and with a shield in his left, in ancient Greek clothing. The figure of A.V. Suvorov is made of bronze. It is often noted that the monument does not have direct portrait resemblance to the field marshal, but rather represents a symbolic heroic-epic image of the “great commander”.
          3. Horde
            Horde 3 December 2013 13: 46
            -2
            Quote: baltika-18
            . But admirers of traditional history will agree in it and dio.tizma more than enough.


            and the monument to the greatest historiographer Karamzin?
            everyone thinks that the monument to Karamzin, in fact, the prostitute Klio.

            1. EdwardTich68
              EdwardTich68 3 December 2013 19: 18
              +1
              In fact, she is the muse of history and the goddess of memory. This is quite logical: the muse of history
              at the historiographer’s monument. Maybe all the same, she’s not quite such a burnt prostitute? laughing
      10. Horde
        Horde 3 December 2013 09: 43
        -14 qualifying.
        Unfortunately, modern history does its dirty work. At the expense of Suvorov, NEW DETAILS are open.
        What did you know who it really was. With the coming to power of Catherine 2 in 1762 according to TI, this queen
        - Usurped power by destroying her husband Peter 3, the rightful heir to the throne.
        - the last Knightly ORDEN was defeated; - the ZAPORIZHZKY SECURITY known for its glorious services to the Russian people.
        -suppressed in blood the so-called "Pugachev uprising" in fact a full-fledged CIVIL WAR between the RUSSIAN state TARTAR, the correct name is the KINGDOM OF MOSCOW. The scale of that war was HUGE, and the consequences of MONSTER. TOBOL And many other Siberian rivers. After the 1774 defeat of the "Pugachev uprising", the river banks were already empty almost forever. There were MASS EXECUTIONS AND MASS RESPONSE OF THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE from those places.
        Until 1774, the so-called Crimean Khanate existed in CRIMEA, in fact it was a Russian state in which the religion was PROTOCHRIANISM, it was a conglomeration of Orthodoxy and Muslims. The state was BROKEN, the population was RESETED on the WILD FIELD, but strange cave temples still remained.
        So, all these orders of the German were executed by SUVOROV. It is believed that Suvorov was a Swede.
        1. Horde
          Horde 3 December 2013 10: 01
          -5
          but I forgot to add to the German fans, as if taking care of the Russian state
          - STRENGTHENED THE FORTRESS LAW over the Russian people.
          All this at the hands of their faithful servants.
        2. chehywed
          chehywed 3 December 2013 10: 29
          +6
          Quote: Horde
          RYTSAR ORDER- SECRET OF Zaporizhzhya

          Quote: Horde
          CIVIL WAR BETWEEN THE RUSSIAN STATE TARTAR, the correct name is KINGDOM OF MOSCOW.

          Quote: Horde
          CRIMEAN KHANISMAN essentially it was a Russian state in which the religion was PROTOCHRIANISM it was a conglomeration of Orthodoxy and Islam

          Horde Do you happen to fall into our reality through a closet?
          1. Horde
            Horde 3 December 2013 10: 42
            -7
            Quote: chehywed
            Horde, do you happen to fall into our reality through a closet?


            do you think the MATRIX was created for Fomenko with the company or for all the other BILLIONS? the answer is obvious ...
        3. kazssr
          kazssr 3 December 2013 13: 41
          +2
          about Allah. Lenin, German, Suvorov, Swede, Kutuzov probably an Englishman, and Stalin a Jew ????
      11. vyatom
        vyatom 3 December 2013 12: 24
        +6
        Quote: Horde
        and where and for whose interests did this named general fight by you? Do not forget that Suvorov was a chain dog of German Catherine.

        Suvorov served Russia. As well as Catherine. Minus you.
      12. kazssr
        kazssr 3 December 2013 13: 35
        +2
        Well, from me. and Suvorov and Catherine did everything for Russia and not against
      13. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 3 December 2013 19: 04
        +2
        Quote: Horde
        Do not forget that Suvorov was a chain dog of German Catherine

        Thank you for the reminder, but this information has lost its significance since July 1941, it was recognized as harmful. "The Science of Winning" was republished, and in 1943 they even introduced POGON. The red commanders were renamed OFFICERS, and the Red Army men became SOLDIERS. It would be naive to expect Alexander Vasilyevich to confront Catherine the Great. The nobility is still a service class that served the monarch in trousers or a skirt - all the same to the sovereign (or empress). Without the school of Rumyantsev and Suvorov, there could be no Borodino battle!
    3. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 3 December 2013 09: 16
      -9
      Quote: aszzz888
      It is a natural result of the selection of the best generals. Obviously, A. Suvorov will be at the head of the list of undoubtedly the best people of all military eras.

      And what does he have to do with VICTORY? Unless in the form of an order ...
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 3 December 2013 14: 11
        +5
        To anonymous minusculers, if they are adults and sane, as well as to all adults and sane, I want to say the following.
        The competition is called "NAME OF VICTORY" and its results will be announced on MAY 9. What other VICTORY can be on MAY 9? And in general, what victory in the history of our country can compare with the VICTORY IN 1945?
        Only a blind or liberal geek does not see that there is another round of de-Stalinization-destroying the ridge of our people, so that by the next anniversary of the VICTORY DAY, and even on the eve of the anniversary of VICTORY, to palm off on the Russian people an ersatz under the name VICTORY NAME, absolutely unrelated to it, or secondary.
  3. Ols76
    Ols76 3 December 2013 08: 26
    +1
    "According to the results of the first round of the" Name of Victory "competition, three leaders were determined. The result, frankly speaking, predictable" ..... and that says it all, the people chose the best military leaders of Russian history.
  4. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 3 December 2013 08: 26
    13
    Something I didn’t like about this contest initially. I finally get it. The competition was initially provocative and shameful. What do they offer us? Choose from many many worthy people of Russia alone. The policy of Americanization, there cannot be many worthy, there must be one. Confrontation, someone votes for one, someone for another expressing their subjective opinion. However, in each time there were heroes, worthy people, and is it possible to single out one? I personally feel disgusted when they start such contests to single out one hero, one city or monument. Of course, this is my personal opinion and everyone has the right to think differently.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 3 December 2013 08: 59
      +2
      Very true noticed. Americanism. A mixture of stupidity with meanness.
    2. zmeenosetz
      zmeenosetz 3 December 2013 09: 10
      +4
      Thanks for the comment. I agree with you. This whole contest is false and immoral. Is it interesting that the "participants" of the competition themselves said about this? As far as I know, any of the outstanding generals and military commanders have always considered those who came before him as their teacher and idol. And, if in some way he surpassed his teachers, then honor and glory to him! So it should be - they were good teachers!
      And as for this so-called. We do not have to choose a "competition", then we do not have to choose a "winner" - History has already chosen everything: in every epoch, at all times, the greatest winner has always been, is and will be Ivan Ivanovich Ivanovich, tens of millions of Ivanov Ivanovich Ivanovich, i.e. - THE PEOPLE OF RUSSIA.
  5. ed65b
    ed65b 3 December 2013 08: 28
    +6
    one thing surprises me. Undoubtedly, for all the merits of the winners, it is impossible to make a choice.
    1. Very old
      Very old 3 December 2013 16: 26
      +2
      Much that surprises ...
      And most of all - bickering on the forum
      Some wretches quarrel us. And we succumbed.
      It is IMPOSSIBLE to make a choice
  6. predator.3
    predator.3 3 December 2013 08: 29
    +3
    He always considered Zhukov and Stalin great commanders, an example of this is the battle of Moscow, by the way Zhukov himself considered this battle the most difficult for the entire period of the war.
    1. washi
      washi 3 December 2013 10: 34
      +1
      Quote: predator.3
      He always considered Zhukov and Stalin great commanders, an example of this is the battle of Moscow, by the way Zhukov himself considered this battle the most difficult for the entire period of the war.

      It was for his great "talents" that Zhukov, the only military leader who took part in the defense of Moscow, remained not awarded.
      It is necessary to soberly assess who, when and by whom he directed, and who acted as a stick, and sometimes worthless
  7. Gardamir
    Gardamir 3 December 2013 08: 33
    +4
    So Zhukov was overthrown from third place? I hope that Trotsky will not enter the top ten.
  8. makarov
    makarov 3 December 2013 08: 35
    -19 qualifying.
    I’m curious if the voters knew that Suvorov was often tortured by her own wife. As a result, in order to get rid of domestic beatings, he was forced to turn to Catherine with a request to allow a divorce. To which the latter replied: - Be patient! I suffer.
    1. d1m1drol
      d1m1drol 3 December 2013 08: 57
      +7
      So endure in silence. And Suvorov was an excellent commander. The dead are either good or nothing. Nothing to say? then be silent ...
      1. makarov
        makarov 3 December 2013 09: 31
        -4
        Can you then invoke and burn all the books of V.S.Pikul where specifically described is the historical fact that I mention ?? Well then, forward and with the songs ....
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 3 December 2013 09: 46
          +3
          Quote: makarov
          Can you then invoke and burn all the books of V.S.Pikul

          In no case. It is vividly written that it does not give us the right to believe everything UNCERTAINTY.
          And in his books there is also a veiled bl *** in Catherine with the Orlovs, and the indecency of the court of Nicholas, and even the dark drunkenness of English and Soviet naval officers accompanying the convoys along the Northern Route. We will not pay attention and focus on this. hi

          Threat. By secret. My wife is one and a half times lower than me and two times lighter, and sometimes I cry. Once accidentally dismissed her. So she herself dared all the stools in the kitchen.
          We have to endure ...... Consider for "role-playing games" drinks
        2. EdwardTich68
          EdwardTich68 3 December 2013 22: 53
          +1
          Yes, I agree, Pikul’s books need to be burned, with one of his works he sends a dozen historians to knock out. I agree with you, to burn in the squares.
    2. predator.3
      predator.3 3 December 2013 09: 38
      +3
      Quote: makarov
      that Suvorov was often cringed by her own wife. As a result, in order to get rid of domestic beatings, he was forced to turn to Catherine with a request to allow a divorce. To which the latter replied: - Be patient! I suffer.

      No, his wife was a typical bl ... yu, while Vasilich was on the campaign, Varvara Ivanovna led "military operations" on other fronts. "Absenting herself willfully, she used depraved and seductive treatment, indecent honor of her", - writes about her Suvorov with his characteristic sharp directness. At the end of 1779, Suvorov opened a divorce case, but it was hushed up by the intervention of Varvara Ivanovna's noble relatives. A complete break between the spouses occurred in 1784; S. received from her husband "separate residence" and 1200 rubles. annual content. According to Vigel, S. was "a beauty in Russian taste, blush and full, but of a low mind and an old education"
    3. makarov
      makarov 3 December 2013 16: 14
      -3
      And Suvorov also participated in the suppression of the popular uprising of Pugachev.
      I can't say that he hung your great great great ... grandfathers, because I don't have such information. But he participated in the suppression of the uprising EXACTLY.
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 3 December 2013 16: 49
        +2
        Quote: makarov
        To claim that he hung your great-great-great-grandfathers ... I can’t

        Pursuing Pugachev himself in the steppe, he almost overtook him, but unexpectedly for many, the leader of the uprising was betrayed by his accomplices to the commandant of the Yaitsk town (future Uralsk). Suvorov only had to deliver the "villain" to Simbirsk. It was at his suggestion that Pugachev was put in an iron cage... On October 1, Suvorov handed over the arrested man to the commander of all government forces in the region, Count P.I. Panin. At the same time, Panin, in a report to the empress, reported: "The indefatigability and works of Suvorov are above human strength." About his further actions to pacify the uprising, Suvorov writes in his autobiography: "In the following time, by my political orders and military maneuvers, the riots of the Bashkirs and other without bloodshed reduced "
  9. Angry reader
    Angry reader 3 December 2013 08: 39
    +6
    What kind of Jesuits from history come up with these competitions? !!! Here is a direct questionnaire from Levada reminds.
    Name of Victory - I.V. Stalin
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 3 December 2013 09: 02
      +4
      the name of Victory is a Soviet Soldier! -a explosive mixture of dozens of nationalities! we must not forget this!
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 3 December 2013 09: 34
        -1
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        the name of Victory is a Soviet Soldier! -a explosive mixture of dozens of nationalities! we must not forget this!

        It sounds pretentious, almost believable and therefore stupid. Judge for yourself. So the Soviet soldiers got up and went to fight, fought, won, and hurray. Well, by themselves, having somehow agreed with each other, like three heroes ... and whoever did not agree, they surrendered. Well, the people, as they lived, by themselves, while the soldiers there were defeating someone, they lived by themselves. fool
        1. Angry reader
          Angry reader 3 December 2013 10: 04
          +2
          ... do not scold, andrei yurievich rallies, with slogans spart))
          PS Gentlemen-comrades-faceless mines Syary- have a conscience, do not agree, argue otvettte, otherwise ... quietness is straightforward with your minuses
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 3 December 2013 13: 23
            -1
            Quote: Angry Reader
            ... do not scold, andrei yurievich rallies, with slogans spart))
            PS Gentlemen-comrades-faceless mines Syary- have a conscience, do not agree, argue otvettte, otherwise ... quietness is straightforward with your minuses

            good
  10. Stas57
    Stas57 3 December 2013 08: 59
    +1
    another wretched action of creaks having hands from jo ...
    the generation is not even able to izgazhvevany any crazy idea.
  11. Sunjar
    Sunjar 3 December 2013 09: 08
    +3
    I don’t like these contests at all. All these ratings of populism, etc. rushed to us from the West. For me, all these personalities are at an equally decent level, with the exception of traitors such as Kolchak. How is it possible to compare generals from different times who fought with different weapons and, in principle, using different effective tactics. So with the sights garbage is complete. Russia is not just one or just one - it is a long history of great people and great achievements. All this is a single component of the generatrix of the Russian people and Russian Civilization.
  12. Horde
    Horde 3 December 2013 09: 08
    -4
    in general, these stupid contests, of course, primarily indirect support for TRADITIONAL GERMAN history.
    -Alexander Nevsky- personality is more legendary than real. Of course, the Russian is very flattering that he defeated the Tefton order, but there are doubts about the very existence of this personality in the history, for example, many historians have not yet decided on the ICE PLAYER, where it was, alone speak on Lake Peipsi, others in Ladoga. Are Teftons Germans or Swedes? There are also strange moments. In general, it should be closer to our time.
    -Suvorov won the main victories over the Turks, the suppression of the Polish uprising of Kosciuszko, then the battles with the Napoleonic generals. From the point of view of TI, everything is clear here, of course, but until 1774 there was such a state, under the stupid Western name GREAT TARTAR with the capital in Tobolsk, marked on all the maps of that time. So Tartar and ATAMANIA were allies against the ROMANO GERMAN RUSSIA. The wars that Suvorov fought were wars - CONQUERING against the old Dynasty of Horde.
    -Kutuzov- its scale is comparable only to that of Zhukov, but Zhukov's personality is VERY NOT ONE.

    Moving on, the organizers of this show stuffed even well-deserved, but clearly not of the same scale, commanders and forgot that the glorious history of Russia-Russia also has significant and outstanding personalities in the military field.
    Let's remember 1654 the First Northern War, does anyone know anything about this? Tsar Alexei, with the help of his tsarist generals, BUTURLIN AND BOGDAN KHMELNITSKY, defeated the coalition of Swedes, Poles, Litvin, and so much so that LITHUANIA ceased to exist. Here is an excerpt from the son of the Antiochian Patriarch PAUL OF ALEPSK, who was just at that time on a visit to MOSCOW.
    Here is how the contemporary of events, Pavel Aleppsky, describes the military conquests: “They (voivode Buturlin and Bogdan Khmelnitsky) took twenty-eight fortresses and cities from the Poles, including a city named Lublin, which in their language means“ a city of assembly ”, for Poles in the era of their power gathered in it for meetings. They defeated the great hetman Lyakhov Pavel Pototsky "(1). The acquisitions touched precisely the Polish lands, Bogdan Khmelnitsky fought along with the royal governor Buturlin, because initially he represented not the Zaporozhye robbers, but the famous Russian army.


    this is the general !!! and they hang noodles on our ears, saying that they say Alexey Mikhalych - the SILENT mole.
    -Why is the list not even inserted GENERAL SKOBELEV, after all, he was the greatest commander? how could they forget about him?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 December 2013 09: 28
      0
      Quote: Horde
      -Alexander Nevsky- personality is more legendary than real

      For Fomenko, yes, but for the Germans and Russians, more than real. Although I won't write anything more to you, it makes no sense. You sit and try to find out not to understand what and for whom. This is the history of Russia and its victory! Whether you like it or not, it doesn't matter for the country and society as a whole hi
      1. Horde
        Horde 3 December 2013 10: 20
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        For Fomenko, yes, but for the Germans and Russians, more than real.


        Well, first of all, the facts that I stated were not discovered by Fomenko, but other people, imagine that a lot of people are already engaged in NEW CHRONOLOGY.

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        You sit and try not to understand what and for whom.

        You are a strange person, isn’t the REAL history of our GREAT STATE interested in you. Remember on TOPVO there were a number of articles by SHAMBAROV and SHIROKORAD, how RICH AND PROSPEROUS the Russians lived in the 17th century before Peter And where did everything go? You should know it...

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Whether you like it or not, it doesn't matter for the country and society as a whole


        But after all, the liberals were able to cheat on the glorious name of STALIN, and if not for YURI MUKHIN everyone would have thought that Stalin was a monster.
        The name of Suvorov means a lot, but at least look HOW MUCH after Suvorov there were wars with the same Turkey? Suvorov, of course, is great - he did not lose anything, but after his battles with Napoleon, what Napoleon did correctly attacked Russia. Why is everything so STRANGE?
        1. chehywed
          chehywed 3 December 2013 10: 35
          0
          Quote: Horde
          Suvorov, of course, was great, I didn’t lose anything, but after his battles with Napoleon

          I beg !!! List at least a couple !!!
          1. Horde
            Horde 3 December 2013 12: 03
            0
            ,
            Quote: chehywed
            I beg !!! List at least a couple !!!


            you yourself can not see the pedia?
            Suvorov's Italian campaign, Battle of Novi Battle on the Adda River (1799)
            1. chehywed
              chehywed 3 December 2013 12: 24
              +1
              Quote: Horde
              Suvorov's Italian campaign, Battle of Novi Battle on the Adda River

              And where was Napoleon (then General Bonaparte) at that time? Evil languages ​​say that in Egypt. Well, for you this is certainly not an argument.
              1. Horde
                Horde 3 December 2013 12: 41
                -1
                Quote: chehywed
                where was Napoleon (then General Bonaparte) at that time? Evil tongues claim that they are in Egypt. Well, this is certainly not an argument for you.


                I thought that you would cling to this, you can feel the traditional tricks.
                NOT PRINCIPAL. Suvorov did not encounter Napoleon personally, but only with French generals, for ITALIAN INTERESTS. Why did the Russians lay their lives in Europe?
                1. chehywed
                  chehywed 3 December 2013 12: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: Horde
                  Tradikovskie podkovyry feel

                  Do not write rubbish and there will be no undercut.
                  Quote: Horde
                  Suvorov did not encounter Napoleon personally, but only with French generals,

                  Yeah, so to speak through intermediaries ...
                  Quote: Horde
                  for ITALIAN INTERESTS

                  For the Austrian Horde, FOR THE Austrian !!!
                  1. Horde
                    Horde 3 December 2013 13: 11
                    -3
                    Quote: chehywed
                    Do not write rubbish and there will be no undercut.


                    you address it to yours, and then the people think that Katka has brought some benefit to Russia.

                    Quote: chehywed
                    Yeah, so to speak through intermediaries ...

                    how much I communicate with your brother, but everyone has the same shamelessly boorish style. However, I must say that you have already lost the monopoly on information ownership, grains of truth remain in old books and we will find OUR history.

                    Quote: chehywed
                    For the Austrian Horde, FOR AUSTRIAN !!


                    how do you have geography historians? isn't it tight? Austria probably in Africa?
                    1. chehywed
                      chehywed 3 December 2013 14: 18
                      +2
                      Quote: Horde
                      and then people think that Katka has brought some benefit to Russia.

                      Oh, and I forgot that you walk through the closet.
                      Quote: Horde
                      we find our story

                      And I even know where You her feel for.
                      Quote: Horde
                      how do you have geography historians? isn't it tight? Austria probably in Africa?

                      Horde, I do not know how to walk through closets, perhaps in your reality Austria and Africa. And if you are interested in what was going on in our country at the turn of the 18-19th centuries, "google in Yandex" about the Second Coalition, England is also involved there, in general, there is a lot of unknown for you.
                      1. i.xxx-1971
                        i.xxx-1971 3 December 2013 18: 36
                        0
                        I suggest not to google, but to read Tarle's books, if, of course, such a volume of information is within your power.
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 3 December 2013 19: 29
          0
          Quote: Horde
          what did Napoleon correctly attack Russia. Why is everything so STRANGE?

          And what did Hitler do when he expelled the British from the continent? Lord Disraeli used to say: how hard it is to live when no one is at war with Russia!
    2. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 3 December 2013 09: 29
      0
      Quote: Horde
      in general, these stupid contests, of course, primarily indirect support for TRADITIONAL GERMAN history.
      this is the general !!! and they hang noodles on our ears, saying that they say Alexey Mikhalych - the SILENT mole.
      -Why is the list not even inserted GENERAL SKOBELEV, after all, he was the greatest commander? how could they forget about him?

      What does all this have to do with VICTORY? fool
      1. Horde
        Horde 3 December 2013 09: 48
        -3
        Quote: Peaceful military
        What does all this have to do with VICTORY?


        in general, I have listed the commanders who WIN, what is not clear? knock yourself on the head ...
        1. Peaceful military
          Peaceful military 3 December 2013 10: 02
          -2
          Quote: Horde
          Quote: Peaceful military
          What does all this have to do with VICTORY?


          in general, I have listed the commanders who WIN, what is not clear? knock yourself on the head ...

          And they all won the Second World War, giving their exchange to this VICTORY? fool
          1. Horde
            Horde 3 December 2013 10: 29
            +1
            Quote: Peaceful military
            And they all won the Second World War, giving their exchange to this VICTORY?


            are you okay there at all? Buturlin, Khmelnitsky, Skobelev - won the Great Patriotic War?
            1. Peaceful military
              Peaceful military 3 December 2013 13: 32
              -2
              Quote: Horde
              Quote: Peaceful military
              And they all won the Second World War, giving their exchange to this VICTORY?


              are you okay there at all? Buturlin, Khmelnitsky, Skobelev - won the Great Patriotic War?

              Listen, my dear, I didn’t drink broodershaft with you, so there’s nothing to poke me around, especially since, judging by your statements, you are much younger than me.
              As for the bottom line, you are clearly not in order, not seeing the obvious that on MAY 9, 2014, on VICTORY DAY, the "NAME OF VICTORY" is announced ... What relation to VICTORY have Buturlin, Khmelnitsky, Skobelev listed by you? fool
              1. Horde
                Horde 3 December 2013 13: 58
                -1
                Quote: Peaceful military
                As for the bottom line, you are clearly not in order, not seeing the obvious that on MAY 9, 2014, on VICTORY DAY, the "NAME OF VICTORY" is announced ... What relation to VICTORY have Buturlin, Khmelnitsky, Skobelev listed by you?


                Well, what does Nevsky, Suvorov, Kutuzov have to do with the Great Patriotic War? I’m not asking this at all, but the organizers of the show, do you understand?
                and stop pounding yourself in the head, you need to collect your thoughts ...
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    3. Vasia kruger
      Vasia kruger 3 December 2013 09: 59
      0
      Nevsky did not destroy the Teutonic ... but the Livonian Order.
      1. Horde
        Horde 3 December 2013 10: 08
        0
        Quote: Vasia Kruger
        Nevsky did not destroy the Teutonic ... but the Livonian Order.


        the Teftons are Germanic tribes who actually created the order, and the location was in Livonia, therefore they say this and that, which, however, just blurs the clear picture of that time.
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 3 December 2013 13: 28
        +1
        And perhaps five years (1237) before the Battle of the Ice (1242), after the defeat at the Battle of Saul (1236), they did not become part of the Teutonic Order as the Livonian Landmaster?

        So Alexander Yaroslavich beat the pug to the Teutonic Order.
    4. Angry reader
      Angry reader 3 December 2013 13: 21
      0
      and Ermolov? .. Huh?
    5. Dimkapvo
      Dimkapvo 4 December 2013 09: 25
      0
      Enough to carry nonsense.
  13. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 3 December 2013 09: 09
    0
    in order to increase the dislocation of the brain of the Russian nation. VICTORY HAS ONE NAME - STALIN + SOVIET PEOPLE. And only a liberal geek will dispute this.
    1. Belogor
      Belogor 3 December 2013 11: 20
      +2
      But what before the Great Patriotic War, Russia did not have victories? And where does the geek ???
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 3 December 2013 13: 20
        -2
        Quote: Belogor
        But what before the Great Patriotic War, Russia did not have victories? And where does the geek ???

        The competition is called "NAME OF VICTORY" and its results will be announced on MAY 9. What other VICTORY can be on MAY 9? And in general, what victory in the history of our country can compare with the VICTORY IN 1945?
        Only a blind or liberal geek does not see that there is another round of de-Stalinization-destroying the ridge of our people, so that by the next anniversary of the VICTORY DAY, and even on the eve of the anniversary of VICTORY, to palm off on the Russian people an ersatz under the name VICTORY NAME, absolutely unrelated to it, or secondary. hi
        1. Angry reader
          Angry reader 3 December 2013 14: 07
          +1
          Peaceful, do not pay attention, non-combatants on their heads, they are like "behi" at the seams, tenacious ... but they will not support polemics, because on their heads ..)
  14. calocha
    calocha 3 December 2013 09: 15
    +4
    And in general, a delusional contest !!! Many are good, how can you find one one, maybe only-Joseph Vissarionovich STALIN!
  15. svp67
    svp67 3 December 2013 09: 15
    +1
    I do not see any sense in the elections, except for one thing - the creation on Poklonnaya Gora "a pantheon of famous Russian military leaders"
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 3 December 2013 10: 29
      +3
      Hello Seryozha, he is on the Borodino field, but again for all those who died, without ranks and ranks Now on the Borodino field around the Spaso-Borodinsky monastery, the first abbot of which was M.M.Tuchkova, a memorial was organized dedicated to those who died in two World War II.
      1. svp67
        svp67 3 December 2013 10: 35
        +2
        Quote: Alex 241
        Hi Seryozha

        Greetings ....
        Quote: Alex 241
        he is on the Borodino field,

        This is EXCELLENT, but not quite that.
        Firstly, it’s far, secondly, it is ALL that needs to be done, and not only in the Patriotic War of 1812 and the Great Patriotic War ... All the great RUSSIAN commanders need a separate pantheon, for example, you can also use Miniha, not Russian by nationality, but Russian individual pantheons - St. George Knights, Knights of the Order of Glory ... and Heroes of the USSR and the Russian Federation ... Poklonnaya Gora is the best place. But only in such a way that EVERY NAME in GOLD is on marble, and interactively contains all the documents about their exploits ... Not everyone can visit the Kremlin, but it is necessary to make these places PUBLIC, so that the father can bring his son and show the name HERO of the ancestor, and then it will be a connection forever ....
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 3 December 2013 10: 43
          +2
          Serezha was going to do this at the Federal War Memorial Cemetery. Even the competition was held, our great architect Tseretelli tried to climb right there, but it was cut off, in 2010 there was even an exhibition in the Manege.
  16. 311ove
    311ove 3 December 2013 09: 17
    +2
    All these contests are complete profanity! First, how can one sometimes compare the incomparable- Zhukov and Trotsky, Dibich and Nevsky for example ?? Somehow, the evaluation criteria do not fit in the head request Secondly, for whom they are intended, young people under 25 and for the most part do not know such names (thanks to the same VGTRK No. sad ), and I have a "stuck" my own opinion somehow formed and the comparison is simply not interesting to me, and the persons involved in the list, I think, do not need it ...
  17. veteran56
    veteran56 3 December 2013 09: 27
    +3
    I think. that voting for one is simply wrong, although you can come up with another word.
    How can one compare Suvorov and Stalin, Kutuzov and Zhukov, etc. Different eras, different people, different methods of warfare that led to the victory of Russian weapons. In general, those who come up with such contests were school students and history for them is a missing subject.
    Prior to this, a vote was held on the 10 most famous places in Russia. It’s also a lot of stupidity. For me, the most beautiful and expensive place is Meschera, and for someone, a mosque in Grozny, thank God. Everyone has their own choice and it’s incorrect to vote for one thing in relation to another. Each corner of our Russia has its own corners that are dear to people living nearby
    And for me, the name of Victory is - SOLDIER !!!!
  18. Vladimir65
    Vladimir65 3 December 2013 09: 36
    +4
    It is difficult to understand the real purpose of this survey to identify the best of the best, all the more so since half-false characteristics of the applicants have been published. For example, Kappel, whom the workers met with bread and salt and carried in their arms. “The workers were delighted with his words and covered his speech with a loud“ hurray. ”Then they carried Kappel out of the mine in their arms and escorted him to the headquarters ... The next morning, when I arrived at the headquarters on my business, I saw a delegation of workers in the corridor saying:“ This is so general! " Who did Kappel fight with? With workers and peasants, who formed the basis of the Red Army and he fought for their privileges. And there are not one such droplets in this hundred.
  19. makeev.dmitry
    makeev.dmitry 3 December 2013 09: 59
    +1
    competition name of victory without the name of Stalin - bullshit, and even Trotsky pushed here. as they say: who controls the past, that controls the future.
  20. Vasia kruger
    Vasia kruger 3 December 2013 10: 02
    +1
    The competition is idiotic and meaningless.
    Half of the names represented in it do not know anyone except historians.
    Everyone knows Zhukov, Suvorov, Kutuzov ... and who knows Ivan Dibich?

    Before holding such elections, it is worthwhile to explain in detail to all participants who these people are and what they are famous for. By the way the majority voted simply for familiar surnames.
  21. kirgudu
    kirgudu 3 December 2013 10: 11
    +3
    Where yo mine STALIN ! Full of all White Guard and ANTANT henchmen, but one of the greatest commanders is not ???
    1. Admiral 013
      Admiral 013 3 December 2013 10: 29
      -3
      Dude Stalin was the head of state. And besides, everyone remembers the beginning of the Second World War. In short, it does not quite fit.
  22. morpogr
    morpogr 3 December 2013 10: 15
    +3
    Another television rating show, the more noise around it, the higher the rating and more expensive and more advertising, and at the same time put a tick in patriotic education.
  23. Admiral 013
    Admiral 013 3 December 2013 10: 25
    -1
    Definitely Suvorov! Not lost a single battle. That says it all.
  24. washi
    washi 3 December 2013 10: 37
    +2
    in the presence of such "politically correct" as Nestor Makhno or Lev Trotsky
    Well, our liberal media cannot forget their idols
  25. Ross
    Ross 3 December 2013 10: 37
    0
    Quote: Tersky
    I am generally shocked by this "candidacy", belay. Like this non-human, under the name of Leib Davidovich Bronstein; the founder of the doctrine of the destruction of Russia; developer of the methodology for carrying out the genocide of the Russian nation; lover of alpenstock and world revolutions; destroyer of Orthodoxy, infidelity and ghoul, with the essence of a greedy Zionist, was included in the list of contestants, request. Sasha, Klim, hi!

    Svanidze and Mlechin very much respect him. hi
  26. ImPerts
    ImPerts 3 December 2013 10: 41
    +5
    If Stalin were added here, the result of the competition would be 100% predictable. As in due time with "Name of Russia". Therefore, they were creative, adding an explanation that Stalin did not lead the regiments and did not lead them personally to the attack, that he did not develop battle plans. They tried to forget that he was the supreme commander. That he was amending the plans too. Etc.
    Otherwise, we would again have to secretly change the voting results.
  27. understudy
    understudy 3 December 2013 11: 03
    0
    Silly idea. By what parameters can one compare the generals who are "products" of a strictly defined historical period of time ???
    However, what is there to be surprised if outright muddleheads, in their desire to please, actually substitute the top officials of the state with all these flights, fishing trips, pikes, amphorae ... idiotic contests like them are arranged, "Who is cooler: Nevsky or Chapaev?"
  28. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 3 December 2013 11: 20
    0
    It is strange that the contest's affiliates missed one interesting commander, baron, cavalry guard and colonel from the cavalry, who participated in the Russian-Japanese and World War I, and fought very successfully. am Something of the White Guards was turned on, but they forgot about it ... am
    Guess who I was? wink laughing
  29. Mhpv
    Mhpv 3 December 2013 11: 43
    +2
    All these contests are like fun over the people.
    It is not necessary to propose candidates, but to analyze those named by the people and choose as a percentage, otherwise they become accustomed to appoint at their discretion.
    1. yan
      yan 3 December 2013 12: 09
      +2
      also an option, and probably a more objective approach is difficult to imagine, since all these competitions will be held soon
  30. BOB48
    BOB48 3 December 2013 12: 16
    +4
    I would add Kovpak!
  31. LION
    LION 3 December 2013 12: 26
    +3
    It is interesting what General Shamanov thinks (he is alive, vigorous, cheerful and commands the airborne forces) being below Kappel, but above Panfilov. And Boris Gromov (now a deputy of the State Duma) must probably harbor an insult to Shamanov that he was ahead of him. Or how?
    Bullshit, not a contest.
  32. Neighbor
    Neighbor 3 December 2013 12: 29
    +3
    In fact, Leibo Bronstein was awarded his own ice ax
  33. sergey1972
    sergey1972 3 December 2013 12: 44
    0
    a stupid contest, since many of the nominated people have done a lot for our country, each in his own era and putting forward here himself means to belittle the merits of others. I think many do not deserve it. If, for example, you take Stalin as yourself (I saved country and all that), even in past eras, our country has been saved more than once. It’s so that they choose the one whose memory is freshest and historically still close to the people. That's all.
  34. Diviz
    Diviz 3 December 2013 12: 53
    -2
    The purpose of the contest should be to rename cities with the names of the winners of the competition. Who were either born in these cities or captured or lived in it. For example, Astrakhan who conquered Ivan the Terrible.
  35. bersar2
    bersar2 3 December 2013 12: 55
    +3
    The competition is an obvious profanity Without Stalin, and the presence of such characters as Trotsky or is not at all explicable, or such fictional characters as Dobrynya Nikitych are also unexplained.
    Quote: Admiral 013
    Dude Stalin was the head of state. And besides, everyone remembers the beginning of the Second World War. In short, it does not quite fit.

    And dear Admiral 013, at the beginning of the Second World War, the leader of the USSR was MI Kalinin, and Stalin was, as they would now say, the Prime Minister would say so for general education.
  36. vardex
    vardex 3 December 2013 13: 30
    +4
    And where are Rokosovsky, Vasilevsky, Zhukov, Malinovsky, or do not deserve to be on the podium ,,,
  37. Forest
    Forest 3 December 2013 13: 51
    +3
    Without Stalin, this contest is another fiction.
  38. Boris55
    Boris55 3 December 2013 14: 39
    +1
    People, change your mind! You are bred. How can you choose a winner from different historical eras? This is schizophrenia!
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 3 December 2013 15: 42
      +1
      Quote: Boris55
      People, change your mind! You are bred. How can you choose a winner from different historical eras? This is schizophrenia!

      good
  39. waisson
    waisson 3 December 2013 15: 00
    0
    I think it happened again as with the wealth of Russia Serdyukov interesting no one suggested
    1. waisson
      waisson 3 December 2013 15: 03
      0
      otherwise we will obviously run up to it with such a torch ------------ censorship ---------- it seems that the developers of the torch were people sitting at the table with doliks from sports and even if honestly, alcoholic lobbyists products and they also got money for it the torch was unsuccessfully taken for life I remember
  40. waisson
    waisson 3 December 2013 15: 18
    0
    splendor mosque in chechnya and the great commander naib imam Shamil (Baysangur Benoevsky)
  41. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 3 December 2013 15: 41
    +1
    Colleagues, the devil, as you know, is in the details. Here you are in the details and mired, not seeing the main thing. BARE YOUR EYES!
    AT THE STATE LEVEL, ANOTHER ROUND OF DESTALINIZATION HAS BEEN STRUCTURED, THAT BY MAY 9, 2014, YES ONE MORE ON THE PREVIEW OF THE 70TH ANNIVERSARY OF VICTORY, TO STEAM A SOME "NAME OF VICTORY"
  42. Dimach
    Dimach 3 December 2013 16: 26
    +1
    It is impossible to choose the name of the victory, since there were a lot of them in Russia. But you can express your attitude in this way. I choose Ermolov every day.
  43. pavlec007
    pavlec007 3 December 2013 16: 30
    +1
    If we take the 20th century, then undoubtedly Comrade Koba.
  44. Black
    Black 3 December 2013 16: 38
    +3
    Russian people! Forever and ever, that's the Name of Victory.
  45. Black
    Black 3 December 2013 16: 38
    0
    Russian people! Forever and ever, that's the Name of Victory.
  46. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 3 December 2013 17: 10
    +2
    In the whole history of Russia, they showed a great leadership gift, many, many saved their country Heroes of the Russian land. For centuries, Russian soldiers defended and cherished their homeland. For centuries, Russia has stood and will forever stand. Who invented this competition, probably not all thought out. Glorious military leaders were at all times, over the centuries-old history of Russia. And to compare the Grand Duke Saint Alexander Nevsky and the Great Marshal of Victory G.K. Zhukov is an ungrateful and dubious task. Because, that it’s impossible and absurd to argue which of them is more ingenious. Everyone, in his time, made a great feat in the name of Russia. I am deeply convinced that this ridiculous contest needs to be canceled. Do not touch the good memory of descendants of your Heroes. Do not arrange another show.
  47. Ilya Mikhalych
    Ilya Mikhalych 3 December 2013 18: 09
    0
    This competition is the same useless nonsense and provocation as the "Symbol of Russia" competition. It feels like they are trying to distract us from something really important.
  48. ole_ga
    ole_ga 3 December 2013 18: 16
    0
    Members of the forum, you can argue as much as you like, but for me these "contests" are clumsy bullshit (I beg your pardon), plus the grandmother. How can you compare? Another liberal-democratic dibilism (although it is correct, it is a pity that the non-norm is impossible, here it would just be the norm).
  49. Ragoz
    Ragoz 3 December 2013 18: 41
    -1
    In my opinion, the main symbol of the Commander of Russia should be considered not the one who won one or several even major battles, but the one who, leading the Russian troops, saved Russia as a state !!! I refer to such military leaders: 1. Dmitry Donskoy (Tatar yoke). 2. Alexander Nevsky (Teutons). 3. Mikhail Kutuzov (French). 4. I.V. Stalin (Fascism)! am
  50. Ragoz
    Ragoz 3 December 2013 18: 41
    0
    In my opinion, the main symbol of the Commander of Russia should be considered not the one who won one or several even major battles, but the one who, leading the Russian troops, saved Russia as a state !!! I refer to such military leaders: 1. Dmitry Donskoy (Tatar yoke). 2. Alexander Nevsky (Teutons). 3. Mikhail Kutuzov (French). 4. I.V. Stalin (Fascism)! am