European Commissioners and Nenko Ukraine

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So, it was not possible to seduce Ukraine at the Vilnius summit with a “euro-association”. Grooms were extremely greedy, arrogant and deceitful. Starting with the fact that under the persuasion of "European integration", as it were a legal marriage, a "historical choice," in fact, they only slipped the association, that is, the bed without any obligations. In this bed Ukraine was offered to completely “surrender” - to open its market, due to which the European commissioners-grooms expected to fuck their “democratic interests”. And then - the role of servants and unskilled laborers in the backyard. Being in the role of the head of this servant Yanukovych associates did not smile.



How would this European robbery turn into a further “democratic development” and well-being of Ukraine? - a terrible secret, for a terrible lie. Just look at the examples of Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania and other Young Europeans, including the Baltic states. All of them have already lost not only any industry, but also, as a result, youth, that is, the future: in the Baltics, up to 30% of the working-age population works abroad. These are all European national disasters, which are covered by the treachery of national elites that have moved to Brussels. All these “European values” must somehow be fed, that is, the European Union needs further economic robbery of new countries to maintain their falling pants.

The secret democratic dream of the European Commissioners was, through all appearances, gaining access to the Russian market through Ukraine. When Russia firmly promised to close the FTA with Ukraine, it caused their public hysteria and accusations of Russia of “pressure on Ukraine”. And what is the pressure? Again a lie. But the European Union could open its market for Ukrainian goods - and that’s just the end of it. But it’s all a matter of capturing foreign markets under demagogic discourse on “European values”.

However, the situation for President Yanukovych is stalemate. First, he betrayed Russia with his European integration course, and “threw” the European Union and his “Westerners” in his pro-Russian voters in the East and South of Ukraine. Calling, at the last moment, the Euro-association “noose around the neck,” said it was necessary “to remove from the corkscrew” economic relations with Russia, and immediately declared a commitment to European integration, albeit on an equal basis. And this immediately put her in doubt, because of what equality with the European Union, “with a noose around your neck,” can you talk about?

As an official power, Yanukovych is de facto at the center of the political scene in Ukraine. But in view of his throwings, the policy of “sitting on two chairs”, this political center fails under the pressure of external and internal political poles. With such a policy of Kiev, any serious money, and help, Russia will not give, the European Union will not give anything at all, because it has no money at all.

What does his heart calm down? The European Union will start avenging the “Yanukovych regime”, in fact, has already begun to avenge, sending its zapadenskuyu “fifth column” to euromaidans. Yanukovych will apparently continue to pursue a situational "multi-vector" policy, and will fall deeper and deeper, and will repeat, in the end, the fate of President Kuchma. When the authority of the central authority in Ukraine falls to the level of the plinth, the States, the ideological inspirer of the Eastern Partnership policy, are unlikely to escape the temptation to repeat the “controlled chaos” in Ukraine - the new Orange Revolution. The hands of the European Union. If “peacefully” it is impossible to lay Ukraine in American hands, it means that you will get Orange chaos.

But the repetition of "Kuchma" in detail is unlikely to happen. It is unlikely that Putin this time will calmly look at the European robbery of the machine-building complex of Ukraine, focused on Russia, and even near its borders. He will be forced to support the pro-Russian forces in Ukraine, for example, the Ukrainian Choice, and then the political half-life of Ukraine will begin.

In general, nothing else for Russia, in the person of Putin, remains. The main European and democratic value of "Europe", along with the usual egoism and new-fashioned homosexuality, continues to be the image of Russia as an "evil empire", which again began to be lovingly recreated at the Euro summit in Vilnius. This is the cornerstone value on which the whole of European democracy-demagoguery, under the control of bureaucrats from Brussels.

And Russia will always be guilty before “Europe”, will be an “evil empire”, because “Europe” always wants to eat. And pay for it with tales of human rights, the rule of law, and the rule of law. While the essence of European democracy is simple: demagoguery and shameless manipulation of public opinion, an almost literal repetition of the Roman "democracy" with its "bread and circuses for the plebs." There is nothing new under the sun. But there is no place to take bread any more, Ukraine is its last “bread and show”.

The impudence of today's democratic lies, especially after the “Snowden case” and “Assange”, the secret prisons of the CIA, the financial scams of the largest Western banks and the humanitarian bombings of many countries that have redeemed international law and the right to life of millions of people, are striking. However, for a long time you can only deceive those who are happy to be deceived ...
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  1. -29
    2 December 2013 07: 23
    But do not we care about this Ukraine? They want to be independent - for God's sake, only at their own expense !!! Do they want to go to Europe ?! They’d bring it down soon ...
    1. +54
      2 December 2013 07: 27
      Quote: GUSAR
      Do they want to go to Europe ?!

      They want both to Europe and, as it were, to Russia. Given what is happening in Kiev now and how the EU is reacting to it belay On my own behalf, I congratulate the next clown who wanted to sit on two chairs.
      Well, how is Yanukovych sitting there for you, not squeezing anything, not pushing?
      1. MG42
        +16
        2 December 2013 07: 33
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Given what is happening in Kiev now

        at the end of the week, a lot of information about Ukraine was presented in the comments in the comments yesterday.
        In addition, the journalist managed to shoot a unique video on the phone as a special forces golden eagle right next to the presidential administration <work> as he did it there is in detail
        1. +18
          2 December 2013 07: 47
          Quote: MG42
          n how the special forces golden eagle right next to the presidential administration <work> how he did it there is in detail

          Well, these frames will now be on all channels of the EU and the USA.
          1. +25
            2 December 2013 10: 25
            Quote: MG42
            In addition, the journalist managed to shoot a unique video on the phone as a special forces golden eagle right next to the presidential administration <work>

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, these frames will now be on all channels of the EU and the USA.

            Compare

            Maybe America should remember and show its recent past ...
            1. +8
              2 December 2013 10: 41
              Quote: svp67
              Compare

              Germany
              1. +22
                2 December 2013 11: 26
                The Germans are handsome. And both those and others. 3/4 of the country is against, and the government does not care. And in Russia, in Russia, does it mean problems with democracy? ... Liberasty wish you to be all passengers of this train.
                1. +13
                  2 December 2013 12: 32
                  Quote: Tatarus
                  The Germans are handsome. And both those and others.

                  You very rightly noticed! It is not at all similar to similar cases in Russia or in Ukraine. In Bundasia, policemen are certainly not liked, but at least they are respected and feared. And those, in turn, "reciprocate."
                  It is clear that the "Caucasoid greens" are strikingly different from the "Biryulyov's little boys" or "Ukrainian Tyagnibouvites", but even the farmers and nationalists who are "pumping the rights" will come to mind to rush at the policeman with something that vaguely resembles an object that can harm health.
                  So, they screech, roll around and "helpfully" allow themselves to be gassed with "peppercorns" and take them to the "gazelle-vagin". This is something like the national fun of idle youth here.
                  There are many such actions, but the maximum of "victims" is elbows ripped off on the asphalt (when two female policemen cannot lift a hog that has eaten up on parental money and simply drag him by the legs). But even then the "dragged" does not dare to jerk his foot, so as not to accidentally fall into disfavor. Otherwise, they will be flattened with a bludgeoner.
                  The analysis in the department will not be frail, but the police will be punished exponentially (sometimes it happens), and the civilian will receive a considerable fine, or a term of 2-3 years.
                  1. a boat
                    +1
                    2 December 2013 16: 27
                    not that country, not that people! accordingly not those methods!
                    1. +8
                      2 December 2013 17: 16
                      Always and to everyone, for some reason it gets to the wrong people and the wrong country. Therefore, in Russia, in Germashka, they urgently import "correct citizens" - Turks, Persians, Pak, Tajiks, Chich .......
                      As long as they get the "social" they always vote the right way. And the locals do not care from the high bell tower. More precisely a minaret ...
                      But the methods are just those they are used to in their own "democracies". But when they are used against them, they whine pitifully and crawl into the cylindrical visors.
                2. +5
                  2 December 2013 19: 31
                  Quote: Tatarus
                  But in Russia in our country means problems with democracy?

                  We have order in Russia wisely ... Polra is already ending with a soviet approach to information, a rally was shown, it means the whole country is against ... Yes, nifiga ... We also have blue-pink ones and what? Are they representatives of the people?
                  There is a very simple, but for some reason not beloved by many rule-democracy, it is the power of the MOST people, and not the whole people. All people are not one. There is a victorious majority.
            2. MG42
              -10
              2 December 2013 10: 50
              Quote: svp67
              Compare

              Seryozha, where is USA when speech about Ukraine? Let's compare it with Sudan or Egypt? In USA, SWAT special forces disperse rallies or maybe just the police ??
              Acceleration of the Maidan specially

              Golden Eagle Attack
              1. +47
                2 December 2013 11: 17
                What the hell is a degradant?
                Quote: MG42
                In USA, SWAT special forces disperse rallies or maybe just police
                I would beat as if I would have thought that there is a big difference who scratches me with a club. An ordinary cop or riot police. Change your nickname to "MAIDANOFIL". It will suit you more in color.

                Second, the Walstreites and the green Germans simply sat. And maydaunas aggressively attacked sometimes even with the use of construction equipment. So you really do not see the difference? Oculist!!! Okulista here !!! We have a BLIND !!! laughing
                1. MG42
                  -25
                  2 December 2013 11: 28
                  Quote: Tatarus
                  What the hell is a degradant?


                  Quote: Tatarus
                  Change your nickname to "MAIDANOFIL" It will suit you more in color

                  Quote: Tatarus
                  Oculist!!! Okulista here !!! We have a BLIND !!!

                  You’ll stick labels at your 5th point, especially since I didn’t ask you a question. angry
                  1. +14
                    2 December 2013 11: 51
                    Not to me? So handle personal questions in PM. hi
                    Then I understand that it’s not for me.

                    And your attention to mine
                    Quote: MG42
                    5th point
                    raises the question. Are you definitely not a European integrator? laughing

                    Strongly do not fool. I have a temperature (get sick) and it is possible in some places nonsense (alcohol)
                    1. MG42
                      -14
                      2 December 2013 12: 18
                      Quote: Tatarus
                      Strongly do not fool. I have a temperature (get sick) and it is possible in some places nonsense (alcohol)

                      Or verbal diarrhea. There was a post to Sergei Svp67 >>> who else is blind to see.
                      Drink more pills with alcohol when you are sick.
                      1. +2
                        2 December 2013 21: 59
                        Ay-ah offended by the evil marshal wink Just like a kindergarten customer. Call a nanny or calm down yourself?
                      2. +3
                        3 December 2013 04: 21
                        Quote: Tatarus
                        Ay-ah offended by the evil marshal

                        And there are many of us such evil marshals bully Are you bored?
              2. +16
                2 December 2013 11: 18
                Quote: MG42
                Quote: svp67
                Compare

                Seryozha, where is USA when speech about Ukraine?

                You do not understand that the US Constitution proclaimed freedom of speech and actions of citizens for their rights, this is what the leaders of Ukraine are striving for, in words. So people look and remember what words mean, and what a TRUE Western democracy it is. "Occupy Woil Street" and the current Ukrainian "Euromaidan" are very similar ... and the actions of the police too. Although, of course, I agree with the fact that someone SPECIALLY escalates, even HEATS the situation in Ukraine.
                1. Hudo
                  +19
                  2 December 2013 11: 26
                  Quote: svp67
                  I agree that somebody SPECIALLY escalates, even inflames the situation in Ukraine.


                  Yes, you quit! SOMEBODY!? laughing Incognito of this notorious somebody, has long been no secret to anyone, and no secret for a long time. It's no secret before this one somebody, lit up in Iraq, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Syria .... Long before that.
                2. MG42
                  0
                  2 December 2013 11: 33
                  Quote: svp67
                  You don’t understand what the US Constitution has proclaimed - the freedom of speech and actions of citizens for their rights, this is what the leaders of Ukraine strive for in words.

                  Our leader until recently allegedly sought to European values. About the United States from the mouth of Yanukovych, you can link?
                  1. +9
                    2 December 2013 12: 47
                    Quote: MG42
                    Our leader, until recently, allegedly strove for European values.


                    Kiev. November 30th. INTERFAX.RU - The United States of America condemns the violent dispersal of protesters in central Kiev and calls on the Ukrainian government to respect the principles of freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.

                    "The United States condemns the violence against protesters at Maidan Nezalezhnosti committed today at dawn. We call on the Ukrainian government to respect the rights of civil society and the principles of freedom of speech and assembly, which are fundamental to democratic values ​​and a cornerstone of our strategic partnership," the statement said. the US Embassy in Ukraine, distributed on Saturday by the press service of the diplomatic service.

                    The US also calls on the Ukrainian government to "create a positive atmosphere for civil society and for the free expression and exchange of thoughts among Ukrainian citizens."


                    What hypocrites are they ...
                    Each time they forcefully "crush" their protesters ...
                    1. MG42
                      -1
                      2 December 2013 13: 11
                      Quote: svp67
                      What hypocrites are they?

                      Seryozha, I didn’t ask about this, but about where Yanukovych proclaimed that he follows the traditions of US democracy.
                      Quote: svp67
                      this is what the leaders of Ukraine are striving for.

                      I don’t need the State Department’s statement the day before yesterday I’ve been in the know and read it earlier wink news quickly reaches us, by the way look what about petitions there once the State Department’s speech came. 1 already gained more than 120 thousand votes, the second more than 50 thousand, orange woodpeckers and the diaspora were prescribed the 3rd and 4th more.
                    2. +9
                      2 December 2013 23: 08
                      Quote: svp67
                      What hypocrites are they ...
                      1. +2
                        5 December 2013 13: 41
                        Quote: Cherdak
                        Quote: svp67
                        What hypocrites are they ...

                        The caricature is good, that’s how liberalists work.
              3. +21
                2 December 2013 12: 49
                Quote: MG42
                Acceleration of the Maidan specially

                Quote: MG42
                Golden Eagle Attack

                Yesterday in the program, priest Smirnov quoted (?) Some words spoken in the last century. Approximately - "If the tsarist regime at the beginning of the XX century shot a couple of thousand liberals of that time, then the coup of 17 would have been avoided."
                If Alexander had not "sent for 101 km.", But would have rotted in the penal servitude of pimply bombers, there would not have been today's events in Ukraine (nezalezhnoy).

                You and I must understand that we have the right to "shake the regime" by any means that do not go beyond reasonable limits.
                And after the "Berkutites" "address" us, in their characteristic delicate manner, we should, if not get away, then dive into the ground with our muzzles, spreading our arms and legs.
                Or we will get an "attack", as you say. They are "sharpened" for that, whether we like it or not ........ hi
              4. a boat
                +23
                2 December 2013 16: 25
                golden eagle krosava! must push all this Bendery trash!
                1. +25
                  2 December 2013 17: 12
                  gych (1) UA Today, 16:25 ↑
                  Golden eagle Krosava ,,,.
                  The head of the Odessa region has just spoken on TV .. The events taking place in Kiev and a number of cities in Western Ukraine, assessed as "an attempt at a coup d'etat" and recalled the results of the Maidan in 2004 - at the time of that outrage, GDP growth was 14 percent a year, after the Maidan and "the successful rule of Yushchenko and twice Prime Minister Tymoshenko - GDP fell deeply to the MINUS, from which they still have not crawled out ..
                  1. +9
                    2 December 2013 17: 22
                    Quote: 222222
                    gych (1) UA Today, 16:25 ↑
                    Golden eagle Krosava ,,,.
                    The head of the Odessa region has just spoken on TV .. The events taking place in Kiev and a number of cities in Western Ukraine, assessed as "an attempt at a coup d'etat" and recalled the results of the Maidan in 2004 - at the time of that outrage, GDP growth was 14 percent a year, after the Maidan and "the successful rule of Yushchenko and twice Prime Minister Tymoshenko - GDP fell deeply to the MINUS, from which they still have not crawled out ..
                    good
                    Russian people, will you ever get wiser?
                    1. -1
                      5 December 2013 13: 43
                      Quote: ATATA
                      Russian people, will you ever get wiser?

                      It’s time to get wiser, the liberals are planting ours in Little Russia like suckers. It's a shame damn it.
                  2. In the book
                    -7
                    2 December 2013 17: 43
                    Statistics only:
                    source: https://www.google.com.ua/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp
                    _cd & hl = ru & dl = ru & idim = country: UKR: ROM
                    GDP of Ukraine:
                    2004 - $ 64,833 billion President Kuchma, Prime Minister Yanukovych
                    2005 - $ 86,142 billion. President Yushchenko, Prime Minister Tymoshenko, Yekhanurov
                    2006 - $ 107,753 billion; President Yushchenko, Prime Minister Yekhanurov, Yanukovych
                    1. +3
                      2 December 2013 18: 08
                      Statistics only:
                      -28 12 04- 5 01 05 Yanukovych
                      -5 01 05-24 01 05 Azarov
                      -24 01 15-8 09 05 Tymoshenko
                      -8 09 05-4 08 06 Yekhanurov
                      -4 08 06-18 12 07 Yanukovych
                      -18 09 07—3 03 10 Tymoshenko
                      -3 03 10—11 03 10 — Turchinov
                      -11 03 10 — nv Azarov

                      The dynamics of Ukraine’s GDP from 2002 to 2012 (in mln. UAH.

                      2009 913345 -34711 -3.7% 117152 -62230 -34.7%
                      http://index.minfin.com.ua/index/gdp/

                      The same data per capita:
                      2009 19871,4 -674.4 -3.3% 2548,8 -1338.6 -34.4% 45962,9
                      Do not forget that the economy. launched by the previous government continues to work for a new government for some time
                2. +6
                  2 December 2013 22: 40
                  Quote: gych
                  you have to push all this Bendery trash!


                  Pipets, lads, you are expected to complete:

                  President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych assured European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso that he will take all necessary steps to mitigate the political crisis in Ukraine.
                  In particular, Viktor Yanukovych expressed his readiness to thoroughly investigate the facts of excessive use of force by the Ukrainian police and bring the results of this investigation to the public.


                  Your Guarantor of the siloviks will merge, it will merge it, and "Berkut" will spit and run away. Then such a hopak with a raid will go that will not seem weak to anyone ...
              5. +10
                2 December 2013 21: 16
                Quote: MG42
                Golden Eagle Attack

                The special forces would restore order, otherwise anyone who didn’t like it would storm the government; persuasions do not work against rebar.
                The video shows at the end how many people will sit in the West for such meetings, in America they would have shot at such demonstrators.
                1. MG42
                  0
                  2 December 2013 22: 05
                  Yes, I mean = why compare the United States with Ukraine, because Ukraine will not join the United States, instead the majority attacked to minus, as it favors joining Russia or Ukraine’s accession to the CU after one, here in the comments that someone opposed Russia or TS ?? I am against Yanukovych! Cons from his supporters, I doubt that so many of them have so many. And in general, the former prisoner = commander in chief, know-how ..
                  Here's how it works intelligently Moscow riot police, holding hands with a chain without the use of special equipment, are driving the protesters from Moscow's Triumfalnaya Square, it is worth learning, of course, the protesters are not so aggressive >>
                  1. Hudo
                    +4
                    2 December 2013 22: 17
                    Quote: MG42
                    I am against Yanukovych!

                    Have you seen those who are "FOR"? I haven't seen it. They voted for him in the elections only because the Yulkin's quirks were already bored, but it turned out ...
                    Quote: MG42
                    Here's how intelligently Moscow riot police work holding hands in a chain without the use of special equipment

                    Sergei, do you really not see the difference between hamsters and past with the connivance (protection) of the SBU appropriate training natsyuganami? What is there for the two psheks that were caught during the dispersal of the maydauning? Come on, the Cossack women from Pshekia, or something about it, is silent.
                    1. MG42
                      +4
                      2 December 2013 22: 25
                      Where in the VO? Akim just for Yanukovych and there is still ..
                      Yes, I don’t want to write about the “brotherhood”, but the more time passes, the more time you realize that the protest-stalling under the AP was staged, this tractor-loader could not stand in that zone just like that, and much more. Bangkok, exactly such a tractor was shown on the news going to their police, one to one I will find a photo I will post laughing
                      1. Akim
                        +10
                        2 December 2013 22: 35
                        Quote: MG42
                        Akim just for Yanukovych and there is still ..

                        I am not for Yanyka. I am not for the Reds or for the Whites I, for that part of the people that the Ukrainian media have forgotten. Acceleration of demonstrators by Golden Eagle is not good. But if you are pleased to see red-black banners in Kiev, then you and I are not on the way. Tyagnibok called on the army to support their coup. This is the first time in all new history. Special services need to go through their homes and arrest all the fuck so that these creatures do not provoke armed disobedience. But Yanyk has a small intestine in front of the West.
                      2. MG42
                        +5
                        2 December 2013 22: 41
                        Quote: Akim
                        I am not for Yanyka. I'm not for red or for white

                      3. Akim
                        +5
                        2 December 2013 22: 53
                        Quote: MG42
                        MG42

                        And where have I changed my mind? Or should I not go to the polls because I do not like him to have Rabbit and Tyagnibok come to power?
                      4. MG42
                        +3
                        2 December 2013 23: 12
                        Quote: Akim
                        Let Yanyk tell FAS that the working guys from the southeast will come together and go to Kiev. The capital farts from the multimillion influx. I take three more.

                        In short, this is a primitive manipulation. laughing you are for him anyway.
                      5. Akim
                        +4
                        2 December 2013 23: 23
                        Quote: MG42
                        you are for him anyway.

                        Well, since it’s more convenient for you to divide fractions - let me be for it.
                      6. MG42
                        +2
                        3 December 2013 13: 17
                        Quote: Akim
                        Well, since it’s more convenient for you to divide fractions

                        Akim about the golden eagle, so you remember from Odessa the gang of Dyakayev? So the golden eagle there specifically failed, 100 Golden Eagles could not cope with the 2 Chechens who had only Kalash and grenades, I had to call the special forces of the SBU alpha and special means from Kiev, including grenade launchers smashed a hotel in the center of Odessa to smithereens.


                        So the golden eagle is effective against students and grannies.
                      7. 0
                        5 December 2013 13: 48
                        Quote: MG42
                        Quote: Akim
                        I am not for Yanyka. I'm not for red or for white


                        Well, actually Akim is consistent in his statements. A person is ill for Little Russia.
                      8. Hudo
                        +2
                        2 December 2013 22: 43
                        Quote: Akim
                        Intelligence agencies need to go through their homes and arrest all the fuck so that these creatures do not provoke armed disobedience.

                        What kind of special services?
                        "freedom" is a draft of the authorities to cheer up their electorate. Now this u-parent wants to stand on his crooked legs and walk along the fascist path.
                        It has long been known - to create manual fascism and drive it on a short leash is impossible.
                      9. Lesnik
                        +3
                        2 December 2013 22: 44
                        Good evening Kim drinks everything is not as tragic as the media want to show wink Well, gathered .... Well, they started .... Well, WHAT? but nothing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !!!! People both lived and live, NOTHING has changed FOR them. How they went to the robot and go, how they planned what to present to their loved ones for the New Year and they plan. And you should not waste your time and nerves on these little-cold laughing
                      10. 0
                        2 December 2013 23: 02
                        For the green or what? Makhnovets YOU?

                        Quote: Akim
                        I'm not for red or for white
                      11. +8
                        3 December 2013 00: 03
                        Quote: Akim
                        Tyagnibok called on the army to support their coup.

                        Well, this is normal! The more such calls and actions (seizure of administrative buildings, etc.), the sadder the fate of the nationalists will be after the failure of the "revolution".
                        Quote: Akim
                        But Yanyk has a small intestine in front of the West.

                        HZ Vot is listening to his speech on TV right now - he speaks of a strategic partnership with Russia ...
                      12. Hudo
                        +2
                        3 December 2013 00: 17
                        Quote: Arkan

                        HZ Vot is listening to his speech on TV right now - talks about strategic partnership with Russia


                        Do you believe him? He twists and lies. Slippery bastard, like a burbot. am
                      13. +3
                        3 December 2013 00: 28
                        Quote: Hudo
                        Do you believe him?

                        No, I don’t believe it. But since Ukraine has to choose between a gang and a gang of demagogues - let there be a gang (a negative image can also be useful ...). Yanukovych can now talk about integration into the EU as much as he wants, but it already has no meanings - businessmen from the EU will not forgive him this joke.
                      14. Hudo
                        +4
                        3 December 2013 00: 47
                        Quote: Arkan
                        Yanukovych can now talk about integration into the EU as much as he wants, but that no longer matters - EU businessmen will not forgive him this joke.


                        It seems that the info jumped into ukrnet, that Azarov no longer mooed about 160 billion euros, asks at least 10. Yes, and the lousy baroza called Vitro, the rear * the student is cutting.

                        Additionally, Warsaw - President of Poland Bronislaw Komorowski clicking on the e-mail for the sake of the national bezpeki. Members for the sake of ministers, clergymen of parliamentary fractions roamed about Ukraine, were happy about those Polish policies to be able to perceive normal situations in Kyiv.
                        _______________________________
                        ________________

                        The President of Pshekia convened an emergency meeting of the National Security Council. Members of the Council of Ministers, leaders of parliamentary factions thought about how Pshetsky politicians can help normalize the situation in Kiev.

                        With such a "normalization" there is no need for a crisis and a crisis. With a probability close to one, it can be argued that the Pshetsk special services and their agents have already begun to normalize.
                      15. +3
                        3 December 2013 01: 17
                        Quote: Hudo
                        It seems that the information that slipped into ukrnet is that Azarov no longer moo about 160 billion euros, asks at least 10.

                        It is unlikely that Azarov needs to prepare a draft budget for next year, which means that first of all it is necessary to resolve the issue with Russia about the price of gas and the volume of supplies (without this, any draft budget does not make sense), I think either Azarov or Yanukovych in the coming days will go to Moscow ...
                        Quote: Hudo
                        With a probability close to unity, it can be argued that the Pshetsk special services and their agents have already begun to normalize.

                        They will look at the situation - either further "shake the Maidan" or cover up the traces. The extraordinary meeting of the Security Council of Poland may indirectly indicate that Poland has taken an excessively active part in the preparation of these events and now fears a possible "response".
                      16. stroporez
                        +3
                        3 December 2013 08: 28
                        in ... it looks like Ukraine has forgotten how the Poles "normalize" .......
                      17. 0
                        5 December 2013 13: 51
                        Hugo as Poles then fussed. wassat
                      18. stroporez
                        +3
                        3 December 2013 08: 24
                        Quote: Akim
                        But Yanyk has a small intestine

                        Still, the impression is that sho "on the head is weak" - he has an almost open attempt at a coup, and he is about "EQUAL partnership". Who saw the thread as an equal partnership between a ram and a wolf?
                  2. +4
                    2 December 2013 23: 19
                    Quote: MG42
                    I am against Yanukovych!

                    This is your civil law.
                    But there are two legal ways to elect another president.
                    1. Impeachment declared by parliament and early elections.
                    2. The next election.
                    And the fact that Maidan is a crime.
                    1. MG42
                      +3
                      2 December 2013 23: 27
                      Are you really from Belarus? How is the special forces operating there is a video? Impeachment according to our laws, who understands a little, is a meaningless and complicated procedure that requires a constitutional majority of votes in the Verkhovna Rada, especially since the next elections of 2015 will be delayed ..
                    2. acute
                      +1
                      3 December 2013 15: 10
                      Old Man well done, on time dispersed this pack of Euroid
                      1. 0
                        5 December 2013 13: 53
                        Quote: akut
                        Old Man well done, on time dispersed this pack of Euroid

                        I directly envy Belarus, dad respect. Here is a man fighting for his homeland.
              6. ekzorsist
                -1
                4 December 2013 20: 11
                "... Seryozha, what does the USA have to do with Ukraine? ..."
                Sorry in the USA against this shobla of thugs who do not obey the police or other authorities, alas, the most "democratic" measures were applied, including firearms ...
                And here it’s just unlike this gang of skinheads who constantly rush at the police with obvious intentions to cripple, kill, destroy ... all that is just - with a club in a brazen and ugly snout ...
                As it is not adequate and very much like kindergarten, at the level - "... I just threw sand in his face, and he SPITTED at me !!! AAAAA ...!"
                Stop suffering from Debilism.
            3. +11
              2 December 2013 21: 05
              Compare
              If someone in Germany or the United States decided to forcefully seize the building of a federal ministry, etc., and not just occupy a piece of the street, then we would see a real massacre.
          2. +16
            2 December 2013 10: 29
            Long live the most democratic country in the world - the USA. Guys - Ukrainians, do you want to go there? Offers...
            1. +13
              2 December 2013 11: 38
              Zapodnofily Au. Where are you all scum paid? Where are you rotting the planet? Where are your excuses geerasy ended?
              1. Lesnik
                +1
                2 December 2013 23: 06
                In the adjacent branch "Tigers are burning"
                Quote: Jedi
                if the Anglo-Americans did not help us, there would be no our country now and there would be nothing to be proud of ...

                I am really surprised at this ..........
              2. +2
                3 December 2013 00: 46
                Quote: Tatarus
                Where are you rotting the planet?


                The police detained 11 activists who staged a rally in support of Euromaidan near the Ukrainian embassy in Moscow, Russian ex-minister, co-chairman of the RPR-PARNAS political party, member of the Coordination Council of the Russian opposition Boris Nemtsov said on his Facebook.

                In particular, Nemtsov himself was detained, as well as Oleksandr Ryklin, Nadezhda Mityushkina and a number of other activists who held a banner "Ukraine - we are with you!" At the Ukrainian embassy.
                1. +4
                  3 December 2013 01: 36
                  Quote: Cherdak
                  In particular, Nemtsov himself was detained,


                  For what???!!! belay
                  Man does business! If somewhere it is necessary to compromise and "drain" the protest, then it is impossible to invent a better performer. It is not necessary to detain Nemtsov, but to supply him with money and send him to Kiev in a sealed carriage. In a week, Euromaidan will be chatted and handed over! Borenka knows her hamster business. laughing
                  Eh, boots ... You need to think, think, and not just wave your saber.
          3. +3
            2 December 2013 10: 31
            "Berkut" does everything quietly, but these are not afraid of ANYTHING
          4. +15
            2 December 2013 11: 40
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, these frames will now be on all channels of the EU and the USA.

            Hi Sash. You don’t have to predict this ... already there. But the West longs for blood ... We need real corpses. And then you can almost openly start supporting provocateurs.
            Well done Golden Eagles, hold on, do not give a reason yet. Now the main thing is to catch provocateurs until Friday. While the students are in class ... They are mostly substituted under batons.
            1. +9
              2 December 2013 12: 11
              Hi Sasha!
              Quote: domokl
              Now the main thing is to catch provocateurs by Friday. While students are going to classes

              At what classes, they all beat them in protest to study.
              1. +3
                2 December 2013 19: 24
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                At what classes, they all beat them in protest to study.

                How boring it is to know the history and psychology of man ... After all, everything is clear as God's day ...
                Nobody scored anything ... Everything is according to plan in Ukraine. Studios are studying, workers who are still working are working, scientists are thinking, the rest of the air is being shaken by supposedly clever thoughts ... And most importantly, that’s why Ukraine is still alive and will be live, mothers ride strollers in the parks.
                And in Ukraine, it’s now a five-day period of mopping up morons and searching for masked-asses (they won’t find anyone) .Then there is a serious hitting of the tax and others with it at the opposition, the arrest of the most odious personalities. one and a half.
                And when the people calm down, they will release new people's sufferers and create a stern opposition from their own faces ...
                One word, boredom.
                1. +2
                  2 December 2013 23: 14
                  Quote: domokl
                  it’s boring to know the history and psychology of man ... Everything is according to plan in Ukraine.


                  But I trudge from Ukrainian history and fool around
                  1. 0
                    5 December 2013 13: 59
                    Quote: Cherdak
                    Quote: domokl
                    it’s boring to know the history and psychology of man ... Everything is according to plan in Ukraine.


                    But I trudge from Ukrainian history and fool around


                    Really such a brand? I copied myself.
          5. +13
            2 December 2013 14: 00
            This is a big trouble, actually. Surrounded by Russia, Ukraine and Belarus are our most painful underbelly. Will Putin have the courage and determination to take any measures to preserve Ukraine, or at least its eastern part and Crimea in the sphere of our union policy? Moreover, we have something to offer them! more than once it has been written about the possibility of placing a state defense order at Ukrainian enterprises, the implementation of part of the programs in shipbuilding, the replacement by Ukrainian suppliers of agricultural products of Amer, etc. Again, the price of gas and transit flows. and this is not the allocation of some stinky loan to pay off debts on another loan (what the EU has proposed). Now it is clearly visible where friends and where are the enemies. You cannot be a coward in politics! Yanukovych forgot about it. He wanted to bargain with Russia like Lukashenko, but forgot that the Old Man is a fighter and not a thief. And these Western creatures, which themselves do not produce horseradish, will so empty the country that Libya will seem like a paradise. We must not allow this.
            PSKlitschko with his chronic concussion is an excellent candidate for president of Ukraine for European integration. There you can only climb after a knockout ...
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          7. Skiff-2
            +9
            2 December 2013 17: 49
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, these frames will now be on all channels of the EU and the USA.

            These shots were preceded by others, where these ki rammed a militia formation with a bulldozer and pelted Berkut with stones. Two policemen were injured by a bulldozer (one hand, the other was crushed by a bucket to the parkan) and about a hundred wounded with stones. The guys were obliged to open fire, but showed restraint ... The recording of events can be viewed on "Russia Today". We walk on the edge, but the authorities need toughness.
            1. 0
              3 December 2013 19: 45
              "and the authorities need toughness."
              Cruelty is not needed, although it is sought by provocateurs. The West needs blood to undermine and dismember Nenko.
        2. +48
          2 December 2013 08: 12
          The video speaks and swears in Russian. As the Russian people were and remained. A zapadentsev beat to pig squeal
          1. -13
            2 December 2013 08: 43
            Quote: Tatarus
            The video speaks and swears in Russian


            So, 3 days ago, the Moscow "ZUBR" was sent
            1. +13
              2 December 2013 09: 15
              Quote: APES
              So, 3 days ago, the Moscow "ZUBR" was sent

              Where in Kiev laughing
              1. +2
                2 December 2013 20: 20
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Moscow "ZUBR" was sent



                Nobody made a mistake there?
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        4. +15
          2 December 2013 11: 53
          І de tse there "in a beastly" ?!
          Little was given to them, cowardly, hellish and venal rubbish like Mustafa Nayem or Savik Shuster, who on Sunday evening "Vkontakte" addressed Ukrainian schoolchildren with calls not to go to school - "none of the teachers will do anything to you" (as they wrote on the wall) , children, go to the Euromaidans!
          1. +10
            2 December 2013 16: 36
            Quote: Anper
            І de tse there "in a beastly" ?!
            Little was given to them, cowardly, hellish and corrupt trash like Mustafa Nayem or Savik Shuster,

            I am simply offended that my (our) colleagues-opponents from Israel have such a "relative".
          2. +5
            2 December 2013 18: 10
            Well, friends - comrades, do? The son calls and says that IT IS POSSIBLE TO WALK LESSONS AT THE ORDER OF THE DIRECTOR - to 10 classes (FROM PERMISSION OF PARENTS), and 11 - AND IT WILL SUCH.
            Here, he says. fun, a small white hunchbacked airplane circling above us, without sound and without a tracer (is that a drone?).
            Already someone commented on a comment about a machine gun against maydauns - I personally caused skepticism. Now it’s not up to skepticism.
          3. +5
            2 December 2013 21: 39
            children, go to Euromaidan!
            They would bring their children or grandchildren, why call strangers ... Such provocateurs should not be beaten, they should be hung up, as the Nazis hung partisans with a sign on their chests during the war.
        5. Marina13
          +20
          2 December 2013 12: 56
          [media = http: //] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yq-yBIYEp0

          As for me, your special forces worked so loyally. In the EU, so dearly beloved by you, the "protesters" would have gotten a lot more.
        6. -1
          3 December 2013 08: 04
          Quote: MG42
          I’ll supplement the journalist who managed to shoot a unique video on the phone as special forces golden eagle right next to the presidential administration <work> how he did it there is in detail


          specialists are working. And "Berkut" is spelled like that.
        7. ekzorsist
          -1
          4 December 2013 19: 52
          What's the problem ?
          Wee wanted to be driven by a chain in the face (even if you were wearing a helmet), poked at the ribs with shtaketin ... and after all this you have to smile? Or singing a story about the greatest shit democracy?
          Actually, in the stronghold of democracy and a true defender of US human rights, because you raised your hand only without the permission of a policeman, let alone God forbid you to move in his direction with a club, and even with a menacing look ... you just they will shoot and any court will recognize the actions of the policeman as LEGAL! It should be so!
          And then they took, so to speak, lukewarm, on the "pocket", that is, in place of this orgy ... so what?
          They didn’t shoot like in the stronghold of the great democracy of the USA.
          1. +2
            4 December 2013 21: 11
            Quote: ekzorsist
            Actually, in the stronghold of democracy and a true defender of US human rights


            hi boy go inspect "Playboy" under the covers, since you haven't learned to read.
        8. 0
          6 December 2013 15: 23
          And how would you behave if you would throw cobblestones at you, beat you with pipes, throw fires and beat with an iron chain ??? Kissed in a hickey?
      2. +33
        2 December 2013 07: 38
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, how is Yanukovych sitting there for you, not squeezing anything, not pushing?

        Watching the events of yesterday and night in Kiev, it becomes very clear that the current government in Ukraine will end, like Gorbachev. And it will be soon.
        The authorities have complete impotence of will.
        The head of the Kiev police, who gave the order to disperse the maydaun, resigned. Those. security officials who give real orders to restore order are simply beaten on the hands.
        Who is behind these manipulations is very well understood. The headquarters of the revolution is located in the US Embassy.
        Who will subscribe for this power tomorrow, when they really will?
        Golden eagle stands against the front-end loader even without shields!
        ps I think Ukraine should join the EU.
        Since such severe and massive psychoses can only be cured by shock therapy.
        Well, at least Russia will no longer be to blame.
        1. +40
          2 December 2013 07: 45
          Quote: ATATA
          The head of the Kiev police, who gave the order to disperse the maydaun, resigned. Those. security officials who give real orders just beat their hands off

          No, I don’t think that the police chief himself gave the order. Rather, he executed it, and then, as the EU and the US opened their mouths, those who gave the order themselves condemned the actions of the golden eagle. This is a simple betrayal of those who Yesterday I saw how they threw stones at the cops, they poor fellows obeyed the order - do not touch them. Then, four hours later, they started to disperse the trash. They were ordinary political prostitution, they first betrayed voters in the EU, now they’re their own cops, then they will betray each other. And the funny thing everything that is happening now, Yanukovych himself muddied by announcing a course on the EU.
          1. +21
            2 December 2013 07: 49
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            This is a simple betrayal of those who protect them.

            Absolutely.
            And when power betrays its defenders, it ends badly.
            1. +12
              2 December 2013 08: 02
              Quote: ATATA
              And when power betrays its defenders, it ends badly.

              And rightly so, Yanukovych! It was necessary to think with your head, and not lick ass in the EU.
              1. +24
                2 December 2013 08: 22
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And rightly so, Yanukovych! It was necessary to think with your head, and not lick ass in the EU.

                Yes, so it is ..
                Yesterday I talked with my relatives near Odessa.
                They are all Russian. A year ago, everyone was for Russia.
                Yesterday they said we are all for the EU !!!
                Do you understand what is going on in the media, how do I rinse people's heads ?!
                This is just massive psychosis! It cannot be called otherwise.
                1. +19
                  2 December 2013 08: 46
                  Quote: ATATA
                  Do you understand what is going on in the media, how do I rinse people's heads ?!
                  This is just massive psychosis!

                  So Yanukovych threw all the media into advertising associations with the EU, therefore it is not surprising. Now he himself has given the back one and here is the result.
                  In short, the country has three options.
                  1. Yanukovych gives the command to the fas, transplant the entire opposition and falling into world isolation, joins the TS. (Science fiction)
                  2. He is overthrown and the country is quiet and quiet, slamming into the EU, and Yanukovych to sit in Tymoshenko’s place.
                  3. The country is falling apart.
                  The third option is more real.
                  1. +14
                    2 December 2013 09: 36
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    1. Yanukovych gives the command to the fas, transplant the entire opposition and falling into world isolation, joins the TS. (Science fiction)
                    2. He is overthrown and the country is quiet and quiet, slamming into the EU, and Yanukovych to sit in Tymoshenko’s place.
                    3. The country is falling apart.
                    Third option, more real

                    Unfortunately, the second is more real.
                    And even more real, he backs off, signs an association agreement with the EU on the most enslaving terms, guaranteed by personal integrity, and leaves through early elections.
                    1. +4
                      2 December 2013 09: 54
                      Quote: Odyssey
                      Unfortunately, the second is more real.

                      Provided that the economy of Ukraine will flourish, and factories in the east of the country will not be closed. Is it realistic, with the second option?
                      1. +3
                        2 December 2013 10: 09
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Provided that the economy of Ukraine will flourish, and factories in the east of the country will not be closed. Is it realistic, with the second option?

                        No, the economy of Ukraine will face a catastrophe. But for the collapse of the country, there are not enough economic reasons, for this we need the political will of the people and / or the leadership of the state formalized organizationally. I don’t see such forces in Ukraine. Maybe I don’t see yet.
                      2. +10
                        2 December 2013 11: 11
                        Quote: Odyssey
                        , for this we need the political will of the people and / or the leadership of the state formalized organizationally. I do not see such forces in Ukraine. Maybe I do not see it yet.


                        Near the bus station in Dnepropetrovsk, three young athletic men beat four Euromaidan participants who were heading to Kiev.

                        I read the news of Ukraine - there are dozens of such news, what is this if not an organized force?
                      3. +4
                        2 December 2013 12: 18
                        Quote: APES
                        I read the news of Ukraine - there are dozens of such news, what is this if not an organized force?

                        This is not an organized force; these are individual bursts of people's discontent.
                        Organized power is promoted politicians, political parties, the media, public organizations interconnected into a single network.
                        There are pro-European forces in Ukraine, alas, no pro-Russian forces.
                      4. +6
                        2 December 2013 13: 04
                        This is Kovpak’s squad ... good
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                      6. vlad1
                        +4
                        2 December 2013 15: 44
                        that’s right, as Vysotsky sang, we didn’t make a scandal to us the leader didn’t get right now there is no man in Ukraine who people in the east would follow
                      7. +3
                        2 December 2013 16: 49
                        Quote: vlad1
                        that’s right, as Vysotsky sang, we didn’t make a scandal to us the leader didn’t get right now there is no man in Ukraine who people in the east would follow

                        Oh!
                        This is an important point. Eastern Ukraine needs a real politician.
                        Putin, no? ...
                      8. -3
                        2 December 2013 17: 19
                        Quote: ATATA
                        Putin, no? ...

                        Nah ...
                        Leave it to yourself. Tomorrow there will be someone to ask for "today and yesterday." Just tie it tightly to the presidential chair, or it will tick like his predecessors for the Nobel Prize.
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                      10. +7
                        2 December 2013 17: 34
                        [quote = ATATA] This is an important point. Eastern Ukraine needs a real politician.
                        Putin, no? ...
                        Look at me - it’s good! good laughing
                      11. +1
                        4 December 2013 19: 59
                        Oh!
                        This is an important point. Eastern Ukraine needs a real politician.
                        Putin, no? ... [/ quote]
                        And what was who in Ukraine was better than Putin ???
                  2. +9
                    2 December 2013 11: 28
                    Alexander Romanov (1) RU Today, 08: 46 ↑
                    "So Yanukovych threw all the media on advertising association with the EU"
                    All central media in Ukraine, as well as in Russia, are owned by oligarchs. And they pay extra by the West. The programs are usually anti-Russian. The mass media are hired by the West, former employees of RS "Svoboda" Shustirization of the country has been in full swing for several years ... You need to explain who the employees of RS "Svoboda" are. Information space, both in Ukraine and in Russia, has been given into the wrong hands.
                    The most dangerous option for Ukraine is the arrival of the fascist forces and the oligarchs supporting them on a wave of dissatisfaction with the authorities. The Angosaxons have already done this scenario once in history. ..Now, as the "classic" said, "May-shho may"
                    1. +3
                      2 December 2013 20: 26
                      Quote: 222222
                      "So Yanukovych threw all the media on advertising association with the EU"
                  3. +1
                    2 December 2013 18: 30
                    I agree! It is real only if in Moscow someone has some soft soft testicles !!!
                  4. 0
                    2 December 2013 19: 39
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    3. The country is falling apart.
                    The third option is more real.


                    The third option is not so much more real as ideal for Russia.
                    But for some reason I seriously doubt its realism.
                    Ukrainians are not the people to lose something of their own (in this case, their large country)
                    1. 0
                      3 December 2013 08: 12
                      Quote: cdrt
                      Ukrainians are not the people to lose something of their own


                      after the 20th independence and recent events sounds ridiculous.
                  5. +2
                    2 December 2013 21: 31
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    . He is overthrown and the country is quietly and without too much noise, slamming into the EU, and Yanukovych to sit in the place of Tymoshenko.


                    Hey . Sanya, I think he just now will pretend that he is integrating with the EU, and when everything calms down, he will again try to turn around in the Customs Union.
                    Although in any case, as on a political figure, you can put an end to it.
                    1. +5
                      2 December 2013 21: 37
                      Quote: atalef
                      Although in any case, as on a political figure, you can put an end to it.

                      Let even a vampire, even a devil, even a sorcerer, but only save the country from collapse and restore order in Kiev, restrain Svidomo.
                      1. 0
                        2 December 2013 21: 55
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Quote: atalef
                        Although in any case, as on a political figure, you can put an end to it.

                        Let even a vampire, even a devil, even a sorcerer, but only save the country from collapse and restore order in Kiev, restrain Svidomo.

                        With or without him, Ukraine will not fall apart. This is not worth worrying about. But what will be better is interesting. He will no longer be able to suppress by force. not by force --- this is a direct path to the EU. --- as expected
                        Actually, I don’t understand why Russia is pushing Ukraine so aggressively --- they will ask for such a price - you won’t pull it and it won’t hurt to run away whenever they want - and they want to - Yanukovych is not eternal - and he, in general not worth much.
                      2. +4
                        2 December 2013 22: 10
                        Quote: atalef
                        Actually, I don’t understand why Russia is pushing Ukraine so aggressively --- they will ask for such a price - you won’t pull it and it won’t hurt to run away whenever they want - and they want to - Yanukovych is not eternal - and he, in general not worth much.

                        The answer is simple - you want to have an ADEQUATE NEIGHBOR, without any regular Maidans, where they regularly "see" either the "hand of Moscow" or "knights at the crossroads."
                      3. -1
                        3 December 2013 09: 07
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        The answer is simple - you want to have an ADEQUATE NEIGHBOR, without any regular Maidans, where they regularly "see" either the "hand of Moscow" or "knights at the crossroads."


                        And why did you decide that if he is in the TS, then he will immediately become adequate and will pursue a pro-Putin policy. TS - both entered and exited, and this is trade, not a union republic. By the way, what hinders Russia from the inadequate Baltic states, and now Georgia and Moldova - who have left the EU? nothing - if desired, Russia would crush them with a finger. Therefore, it is not clear since joining the vehicle in no way protects Ukraine from the following Maidan.
                      4. +4
                        3 December 2013 14: 59
                        Quote: atalef
                        And why did you decide that if he is in the vehicle, then he will immediately become adequate

                        It is not for me to explain to you how one lives in the neighborhood with inadequate neighbors. In Russia, there are enough of its inadequate regions.
                        But I will not say that I do not care about the choice of Ukraine. Russia will have to disentangle the EU's path of Ukraine. Only in the appendage to economic problems will political ones be added.
                        Any Maidan can and should be suppressed by the authorities.
                      5. 0
                        3 December 2013 15: 15
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        It is not for me to explain to you how one lives in the neighborhood with inadequate neighbors. In Russia and its inadequate regions there is enough

                        I think the comparison with Israel is not entirely correct, I don’t think that when Ukraine joins the EU, it will lead terror towards Russia, but about adequacy, Ukraine is inadequate now or will it become an EU member, I somehow did not quite understand
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Russia will have to disentangle the EU's path of Ukraine.

                        Why
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Only in addition to economic problems will political ones be added

                        Russia does not dissolve the problems of the Baltic states, Moldova or Georgia (more precisely, it only adds) why will it dissolve Ukraine? Is it dissolving now? No . I would even say that it is not a small piece of its economic problems - because of Russia (at least gas. Which is more expensive than in Germany) - so why will it dissolve after they are supposed to dissolve the EU?
                      6. 0
                        6 December 2013 16: 52
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        The answer is simple - you want to have an ADEQUATE NEIGHBOR, without any regular Maidans, where they regularly "see" either the "hand of Moscow" or "knights at the crossroads."

                        Little Russia and should not execute the project of the West. Little Russia and Great Russia will return former strength and glory. Do liberals need it? So they will derbanich Rus.
                2. Sirozha
                  -10
                  2 December 2013 10: 18
                  Do you know how your heads are washed by the media? I then see everything myself, since everything happens nearby. And you see everything from your zombies. I often watch news on Russian channels - you would know how you are fed about us with lies !!! twist everything exactly the opposite!
                  1. +10
                    2 December 2013 10: 40
                    Quote: Sirozha
                    Do you know how your heads are washed by the media? I then see everything myself, since everything happens nearby. And you see everything from your zombies. I often watch news on Russian channels - you would know how you are fed about us with lies !!! twist everything exactly the opposite!


                    And you, as I understand it, streams of truth are pouring from the TV? We still know about our television.
                    1. In the book
                      +2
                      2 December 2013 11: 12
                      Quote: IS-80
                      And you, as I understand it, streams of truth are pouring from the TV? We still know about our television.

                      No, our TV also does not shine with reason. After the massacre at night from Friday to Saturday, all the central channels of the country were silent, showing series about cops, special forces, shows and all kinds of garbage. But about what was happening in the capital, they were silent, only in the evening they began to broadcast something. Only thanks to the acquaintances of Kiev knew what was happening there.
                      1. +1
                        2 December 2013 11: 17
                        Quote: Libr
                        No, our TV also does not shine with reason.


                        And I didn’t say that. Where did you see this?
                      2. In the book
                        +1
                        2 December 2013 11: 56
                        What are you talking about, dear?
                        I quoted you and answered that it is not clear in my comment?
                      3. +2
                        2 December 2013 12: 12
                        Quote: Libr
                        What are you talking about, dear?
                        I quoted you and answered that it is not clear in my comment?


                        Yes, it looks like it's time for me to see the optometrist. Instead of "our" I read "your". smile I'm sorry. recourse
                      4. In the book
                        +2
                        2 December 2013 12: 37
                        smile it’s okay
                      5. +13
                        2 December 2013 12: 54
                        After the massacre at night from Friday to Saturday, all the central channels of the country were silent,
                        Well, at least kill me, I don’t understand! Just two rational people are talking about brainwashing using TV, but now one of them, as the ultimate truth, accepts the version of the same TV - carnage, massacre, etc.
                        Where is the massacre? Inverted shots taken with a trembling hand (by the way, this method was also proposed by Goebbels - so the authenticity of what is happening is accepted by the viewer unconditionally), people climbing on special forces and special forces driving them away.
                        A scream, scream! Women were beaten, children! They run around the hospitals, take off - there are healthy foreheads with a muzzle that does not fit in the frame, a couple of wounds (bandaged!) Are shown. Ah, I have a leg fracture with a displacement, but I received help only in the morning, gave testimonies, sat in a monkey - but you would not have been able to do anything with a fracture with a displacement. Or such a fracture!
                        Provocative abomination, the starting point for unrest. It didn’t turn out right away, by the way - they wanted to arrange an online performance at the bastard Schuster, but something did not grow together.
                        RIGHTS, OX, RIGHTS AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE - LONG TIME IT IS POSSIBLE TO DECEPE WHO WHO ARE DECEIVED FOR YOURSELF.
                      6. In the book
                        -5
                        2 December 2013 13: 08
                        Quote: Anper
                        Where is the massacre?

                        The sighted one may see.
                        And about Goebbels better tell your Dmitry Kiselev.
                        By the way, I want to note that the massacre near the Presidential Administration was provoked, and the opposition has nothing to do with it. Who staged the massacre, or radicals like Korchinsky, or the "titushki" of the authorities, it is still worth finding out.
                  2. +12
                    2 December 2013 13: 58
                    That is, the loader was driving from the police for peaceful regime deputies? My eyes have opened!
                    1. In the book
                      0
                      2 December 2013 14: 30
                      "Cleansing" on the night from Friday to Saturday.
                      As for the loader. If you looked carefully, it was obvious that this loader did not appear there by accident, I regard this as a provocation of the radicals who decided to use peaceful a rally
                      1. +7
                        2 December 2013 18: 20
                        Far from being a random loader. "Fake" with the song "Victory Day". The contour of "European integration" is becoming clearer and clearer. If you want to see what kind of person - give him power. Do you want to understand what kind of European integrator - bring the loader to him, or just give him a microphone - he will cut with a bucket and sing what the soul tells. I mean - little soul ...
                  3. +7
                    2 December 2013 17: 58
                    I will tell you one thing.
                    After registering on the site of "Ukrainian Truth" I stayed until banned for 20 minutes.
                    Banned when he asked: "Which shops are passing by peaceful demonstration?"
                    You, here, even on a far from central site, the Admin does not interfere.
                    So the mouth about the zombies is on the lock.
                    Cowardly agitators of the Maidan, as wrong!
                    1. Angry reader
                      +2
                      2 December 2013 21: 44
                      This is them so as not to offend the feelings of European integrators) You are for them ... demonic devotion))
                    2. +1
                      2 December 2013 22: 48
                      Quote: Liss.
                      "Which shops are passing by the peaceful demonstration?"



                      T-shirts sale?
                3. In the book
                  0
                  2 December 2013 11: 09
                  Quote: ATATA
                  Do you understand what is going on in the media, how do I rinse people's heads ?!
                  This is just massive psychosis! It cannot be called otherwise.

                  And you understand how your media is washing your head. Yesterday I watched Dmitry Kiselev "analyze" the situation in our country. Nonsense of a gray mare, you cannot name it otherwise, and you listen and watch. Everything is upside down, the facts are distorted. Lies for lies. Yes, and I listened to your Markov on our channel, I am also a strategist.
                  1. +8
                    2 December 2013 17: 05
                    Quote: Libr
                    And you understand how your media is washing your head. Yesterday I watched Dmitry Kiselev "analyze" the situation in our country. Nonsense of a gray mare, you cannot name it otherwise, and you listen and watch. Everything is upside down, the facts are distorted. Lies for lies. Yes, and I listened to your Markov on our channel, I am also a strategist.

                    For your information!
                    Kisilev on Russian channels is not visible from the 1999 year.
                    In Russia, a vaccine against shit democracy (this is the power of democrats (not to be confused with the power of the people)) took root in the late 90s, and you do not have immunity, vaccination through poverty does not work.
                    In Russia, a consistent and responsible government policy.
                    It is expressed in the difference in living standards.
                    All this type of brethren: Kisilev, Schuster, Dorenko and others, others, others, safely moved to you.
                    Well, you have set your ears ... Get HAPPINESS ...
                    Think for yourself, in the USSR they taught to think independently.
                    Where was Ukraine, where will it be?
                    Think for yourself.
                    1. +3
                      2 December 2013 17: 16
                      Another Kiselev, with RTR.
                    2. In the book
                      +3
                      2 December 2013 17: 16
                      Quote: ATATA
                      Kisilev on Russian channels is not visible from the 1999 year.

                      Dmitry Kiselev in the program "Vesti Nedeli" dated 01.12.2013
                      http://dochronika.ru/load/novosti/vesti_nedeli_s_dmitriem_kiselevym_01_12_2013/3
                      -1-0-1230
                      either here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV9lx98dN9U
                      1. +1
                        2 December 2013 17: 23
                        This person, here has long been considered a marginal person.
                        Have you read carefully?
                    3. +5
                      2 December 2013 17: 24
                      Quote: ATATA
                      For your information!
                      Kisilev on Russian channels is not visible from the 1999 year.

                      You mean "mustachioed entaveshny".
                      We are talking about Dmitry Kiselev. For a long time he has been conducting survey programs on "Russia" on Sundays. Prior to that (last year), for some time he was a participant in the program "Historical Process", where he poked his muzzle at * Sionizu.
                      I like his manner of presenting information.
                      Check it out on the Russia 1 channel website.
                  2. Angry reader
                    0
                    3 December 2013 02: 30
                    Libr, it's more like "and you have blacks lynched" ...) It's funny, by God.
                    Regarding the media, you have an infa walk .. that’s why they moved to Kiev by railway ... tanks) soldier laughing
                    1. In the book
                      0
                      3 December 2013 10: 17
                      Quote: Angry Reader
                      Libr, it's more like "and you have blacks lynched"

                      Why is this said?
                      Quote: Angry Reader
                      you walk infa ..ctly to Kiev moved along the railway ... tanks)

                      Yes, there was such a plot, the video shot on the phone, the tanks went on railway platforms. I doubt that the military is involved, and especially tanks in Kiev? This is nonsense.
                4. +3
                  2 December 2013 20: 23
                  Quote: ATATA
                  Yesterday they said we are all for the EU !!!


                  Moreover, such trash shines!
              2. +20
                2 December 2013 08: 47
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And rightly so, Yanukovych! I had to think with my headnot asses in the EU lick

                Quote: ATATA
                Yes, so it is ..
                Yesterday I talked with my relatives near Odessa.
                They are all Russian. A year ago, everyone was for Russia.
                Yesterday they said we are all for the EU !!!
                Do you understand what is going on in the media, how do I rinse people's heads ?!
                This is just massive psychosis!
                It cannot be called otherwise.

                Yesterday, Yanukovych’s demands on the EU slipped by like a glimpse. Besides money he wanted the EU to get gas only (!!!) through Ukraine. So, not everything is as simple as it is presented to us. I think that the events in Kiev show not so much a desire for the EU as a protest against Yanukovych. But who is in charge of the protest? "According to the police, 300 radical members of the Brotherhood organization, which, according to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, were headed by Dmitry Korchinsky, were involved in the clashes near the building of the presidential administration of Ukraine." This is the same Korchinsky who fought against our people in Chechnya.
                "Democracy" in Ukrainian has long been synonymous with permissiveness. Imagine a bulldozer against our riot police. Or the takeover of a government office. Here the authorities are simply obliged to behave toughly.
                I believe that a second "Orange Revolution" is underway in Ukraine. After all, the past ended well for the "orange"
                1. +20
                  2 December 2013 08: 56
                  This is the very Korchinsky who fought in Chechnya against ours.
                  And those same "brothers" who fought in Chechnya against ours. And now they are fighting against ours in Ukraine.
                  1. +18
                    2 December 2013 11: 29
                    here he is "brother" .... he and others like him are washing the heads of young people, and these groups constitute the main striking force ... ... the common people are not there
                    1. Angry reader
                      0
                      4 December 2013 19: 08
                      Isn't that Sasha Bilyk?
                2. +8
                  2 December 2013 09: 18
                  Quote: There was a mammoth
                  requirements of Yanukovych to the EU. In addition to money, he wanted the EU to receive gas only (!!!) through Ukraine.

                  If this is true, then he grunted his whole head.
                  Quote: There was a mammoth
                  Imagine a bulldozer against our riot police. Or seizing a government agency. This is where the authorities simply have to act tough.

                  If the authorities do not look back at the EU and the USA, then yes. And so this is not power, but a chaos of anarchy.
                3. slvevg
                  +19
                  2 December 2013 10: 55
                  .I think that the events in Kiev show not so much a desire in the EU as a protest against Yanukovych

                  Exactly. Personally, I do not want to go to the EU, I lived there and I know how it is on my own skin ... but the fact that HAM got it for sure. A lot of people came out specifically against Yanukovych, because we do not need a feudal state. I just want to live without corruption, majors, gopniks, protectors, etc. Having money for a private business, I cannot start it, because while you sweeten all the authorities, there will not be enough - "for the roof" !!! I'm tired of it.
                  The terrible thing is that there are already the first stuffing in the media about the granting of the right to freely use small arms in Ukraine, this is guys, it will be a disaster. I think for most of this site it’s clear where the legs grow from and what it will lead to. And the deputy Tsarev warned that there is convincing evidence of the training of specialists in revolutions at the US Embassy. But over him in the internet neighing and released to be treated by Putin. HOW THE PEOPLE WAS POLITICALLY DESTROYED UNDER THE UNION, SUCH AND REMAINED! And this despite the abundance of information, read, analyze!
                  1. +16
                    2 December 2013 11: 51
                    At the expense of Hama, I called my relatives to Ukraine yesterday to find out how it was, and my own uncle, with tears and indignation, already shouting, I will find a machine gun and go to Kiev, Yanyka and shoot a bunch of him, Why? My relatives are not Bendera’s normal Ukrainians and grandfather and grandmother fought, but they plow 12 hours for one and a half thousand hryvnias, and here the last straw the day before yesterday the matchmaker had cancer in his throat in Sumy said an urgent operation, two green pieces were collected, they had an operation, returned home bleeding started, they went to the oncologist who demanded a thousand hryvnias, they gave the answer: but the operation was useless nothing will help, yesterday the matchmaker died, 500 hryvnias left to bury, this is less than a hundred dollars, and this is only a small episode of a small family, but generally country? There, the majority of people brought by Ham, naturally, they will be used by corrupt politicians, but what to change in Ukraine, the system must already SCREAM
                    1. Corneli
                      +14
                      2 December 2013 12: 40
                      Quote: igor67
                      ... it's less than a hundred dollars, and this is only a small episode of a small family, but in the whole country? There, the majority of people brought by Ham, naturally, they will be used by corrupt politicians, but what to change in Ukraine, the system must already SCREAM

                      I like this approach. Like, with Yushcha and Yulia until 2010, everything was wonderful, but Yanyk came and oops.
                      The "brought" people have forgotten, like KM Azarov, when they took over in 2010, they promised a couple of months, and then they would hang all the dogs on them. So the money in the budget after the orange was ZERO and the situation was no better than right now.
                      1. +3
                        2 December 2013 13: 21
                        Quote: Corneli
                        Quote: igor67
                        ... it's less than a hundred dollars, and this is only a small episode of a small family, but in the whole country? There, the majority of people brought by Ham, naturally, they will be used by corrupt politicians, but what to change in Ukraine, the system must already SCREAM

                        I like this approach. Like, with Yushcha and Yulia until 2010, everything was wonderful, but Yanyk came and oops.
                        The "brought" people have forgotten, like KM Azarov, when they took over in 2010, they promised a couple of months, and then they would hang all the dogs on them. So the money in the budget after the orange was ZERO and the situation was no better than right now.

                        Under Yushchenko (even though he destroyed the Bank of Ukraine) it was still better; I left in 2000, Kuchma, and I remember very well these days the wages are miserable, the child allowance is 22 hryvnias per month, there is no need to even say bandits, Yushchenko began in my opinion everyone felt the difference, when they arrived in Ukraine in 2004 they didn’t recognize anymore, the bandits were beaten out, those who survived fled to Russia, people, I talk about hard workers, they took loans for household appliances, cars, apartment renovations, (I’m silent about Julia, this mongrel should sit at any scenario) roads, but also excesses with Bendera, came Yanukovych so what? I was in 2011, full of ... oops, the roads are broken, there is nothing to pay loans, and the bandits returned, I saw the guys were really in tracksuits and nine, not like before on behah, but now 2013 and everything has changed, and raider grabs of enterprises? I couldn’t go to the rembase where I worked 15, the guys ran out in camouflage with batons, then they explained that this was protection from the raiders, at lunchtime and at the end of work they line up in a chain afraid of capture. What about medecine?
                      2. Corneli
                        +9
                        2 December 2013 14: 37
                        Quote: igor67
                        Under Yushchenko (even though he destroyed the Bank of Ukraine) it was still better,

                        Okay ... I didn’t leave anywhere ... I’ll try to explain to you ...
                        Quote: igor67
                        Yushchenko became in my opinion everyone felt the difference, who arrived in Ukraine in 2004 he didn’t recognize anymore, they beat out the bandits, who survived fled to Russia

                        That's just from what you wrote Yusch did NOTHING! This was done by such an unloving Kuchma. The difference between 2003 (Kuchma) and 2004 (Yushch.) Was only in the fact that Ukraine was collecting debts, and "re-privatization" began. Pensions, salary, law and order and so on are the same as in the last years of Kuchma's rule.
                        Quote: igor67
                        people, talking about hard workers, they took loans for household appliances, cars, apartment renovations, roads,

                        Well, yes ... win Yanyk this would not have happened) Credit boom, if you are not aware of these years all over the world was and Yusch has nothing to do with it. And this "golden period" ended in 2008 (Yusch and Yulia were driving for another 2 years) with a crisis. Many of the "people" had to firmly suck their paws and think about how to give away the creedit (especially against the background of massive reductions), I remind you ... all this with the same Yushcha ...
                        Quote: igor67
                        Was in 2011, complete ... oops, roads are broken, there is no work, there is nothing to pay loans,

                        We read above ... this is from 2008, Yanyk is out of business here.
                        And now about the bandits. Re-privatization and raiding under Yulenka blossomed in a magnificent color, if you did not see this, this does not mean that this did not happen. Uncles from pro-vladny parties bought everything that was only possible and that was not possible, too, by any means. There are a couple of friends of lawyers who worked for such uncles ... it happened there - they will pull out fish soup. But what is the BIG difference between the Orange rule and the Ku-Yanuk one is the actions of the police. Under Yushcha, the Interior Ministry just went crazy. If before that the Ministry of Internal Affairs "covered" or took bribes, observing at least some decency and trying not to quarrel with their colleagues, then since 2005 chaos has raged. The main business of the police was to snatch as much as possible from anywhere! PPP is running around the supermarket, as its owner does not dance for the "roof" to the head of the Peps! How do you like it? Most of the small commerce, in addition to the rat, scored on business because of the mad police, extortions were for everyone and everything and exceeded the profit. By the way, right now, the Ministry of Internal Affairs for some reason does not behave this way (again) it's too late to drink Borjomi ...
                        The notorious bandits got out again because of the crisis, there is no work what to do youth? Yes, and recidivists planted under Kuchma, the terms were served, had to be planted back.
                        Something like this in general ...
                      3. +2
                        2 December 2013 15: 14
                        [quote = Corneli] [quote = igor67] Under Yushchenko (although he ruined the bank of Ukraine) it was still better, [/ quote]
                        Okay ... I didn’t leave anywhere ... I’ll try to explain to you ...
                        My friend doesn’t need about Kuchma, please I was at PSPU and was a member of the election commissions and was in the presidential election, I saw everything that his guys did and how bandyuki were on duty with weapons and especially in villages,
                        What he did during his time, I worked as a simple worker, the salary was 70-100 hryvnias, only when export orders went only at the expense of salary premiums. It became 1000 gr, the wife worked in surgery as a nurse and for the fact that she worked for 14 years, she received 22 g of that. All that was needed was a can of milk and you say Kuchma did something
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                      5. Corneli
                        +3
                        2 December 2013 15: 32
                        Quote: igor67
                        What he did during his time, I worked as a simple worker, the salary was 70-100 hryvnias, only when export orders went only at the expense of salary premiums. It became 1000 gr, the wife worked in surgery as a nurse and for the fact that she worked for 14 years, she received 22 g of that. All that was needed was a can of milk and you say Kuchma did something

                        You tell me about the 90s, and I tell you about 2000. I repeat once again the differences in incomes, salaries, pensions, the state of the country as a whole and other things between the summer of 2003 and the summer of 2004, you would not have personally seen (except that the external debt under Yushche has grown). Maybe, of course, it was not Kuchma who did this, but Yushchenko by the power of thought. But this is a FACT!
                      6. +4
                        2 December 2013 18: 40
                        I am smiling at you! Compare, from two heaps of go **** which stinks more))))))))))))
                  2. +4
                    2 December 2013 14: 34
                    Quote: slvevg
                    There is convincing evidence of the training of specialists in revolutions at the US Embassy.

                    Do not forget that if the central government in Ukraine is destabilized, it will immediately flare up in Crimea. The Islamists have everything there. It is possible that the "maydanutye" are working exactly for this.
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              3. +12
                2 December 2013 08: 48
                Yes, Yanyk went far, in general he just wants to be cunning, but you need to be smart. They didn’t even study the documents on joining the geyropu in a timely manner, what it threatens them with, then you see, before signing the documents, he met with the factory management and only then he realized that it was a priest. It just did not work when it was necessary, but it seems to me more Hopes on Azarov than on herself.
                1. +8
                  2 December 2013 09: 00
                  he just wants to be tricky, and you need to be smart.
                  With his stupidity and cunning, to be unrealistic, and even smart ... This is already mutually exclusive.
                  1. +7
                    2 December 2013 09: 27
                    But in Ukraine, in general, there is really someone who could restore order without geyrops and Russia, before that everything seems to me to be treated by Western European values, which is useless. You need a real pro-Putin person, there is no way out, the rest will squeeze Ukraine and surrender to the fagots a truly Orthodox state.
                    1. +4
                      2 December 2013 09: 55
                      ZU-23, I completely agree with you, but the trouble is - there isn’t such a thing. One hope was for Yanyka - though stupid as a tree, she seems to understand where he benefits. That is, the benefit of the country was no longer discussed, although there would have been less harm.
                    2. +2
                      3 December 2013 08: 23
                      Quote: ZU-23
                      But in Ukraine, in general, there really is one who could restore order without geyrops and Russia


                      maybe there is. But no one wants to tighten the belt tighter. Freestuff has done its job and here is the result - a huge desire from the Ukrainians to get everything at once.
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                  3. +5
                    2 December 2013 14: 12
                    Just real. The trick is not the mind at all. Really did not collide - one dumb but crafty sly man inflates a horde of wise men? But it happens all the time.
                    That's just a trick instead of the mind has one property. The cunning man believes that the trick is endless. But this mind, even the erring one, is infinite. And the tricks are given a tiny time - until it becomes obvious to those who have been circled around the finger. AND SUDDENLY! The trick stops working at all. The trickster used the limit of trust, and his only tool refused, once and for all. But he cannot understand this, there is no mind! And he rushes about, tries all his own, so be sure effective methods ...
                    Sound familiar? smile
                    1. +1
                      2 December 2013 22: 23
                      But this mind, even the erring one, is infinite
                      The mind is always aware of its boundaries, only stupidity is limitless. smile
                  4. +1
                    2 December 2013 22: 54
                    Quote: Old_Kapitan
                    With his stupidity and cunning, to be unrealistic, and even smart ... This is already mutually exclusive.


                    Whichever one is chosen, one will have to torment with that until 2015. But it’s all better than the Rabbit-Eurogolic.
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                1. +18
                  2 December 2013 10: 37
                  Quote: Sirozha
                  Judging by the comments on this site, there’s nothing good for joining you, except to be a raw materials appendage and turn into Malorosiya!


                  You obviously rave. What raw materials appendage? What is this in Ukraine that is not in the Russian Federation? Maybe you sell us oil and gas? When was Ukraine a part of Russia a colony? And Little Russia you are. Without any negative associations.
                  1. +10
                    2 December 2013 19: 14
                    It was said in 1980-1990 that the Russians would not live without lard and sugar. As a result, sugar production in Ukraine collapsed from 5 million tons in Soviet times to about 1,5 million tons, and continues to decline.
                    Now they say that we will not survive Ukrainian missiles, sweets, aircraft engines As a result .... fool
                2. Fin
                  +12
                  2 December 2013 10: 55
                  Quote: Sirozha
                  Why can't we just be partners in the neighborhood and coexist normally? !! Leave your imperial manners, let's cooperate!

                  Everything is very simple. You have nothing to cooperate with. There is no money in the country, the last loans from the Russian Federation have already been eaten up, they have already given upfront transit, they also ate it. There will be nothing to pay pensions tomorrow. Who do you think a girl dances when she has no money? There was a choice for whom to sell more expensive. No offense, but this is reality and not see it ....
                3. +11
                  2 December 2013 11: 00
                  Quote: Sirozha
                  and turn into Malorosiya!

                  Quote: Sirozha
                  we don't need to be Maloros at all

                  Dear Siriozha! You don't understand the meaning of the word Malorosiya at all. "Little" does not mean "insignificant", not "subordinate", but "that small part of the land originally belonging to the dews." The meaning is the same as in the phrase "small homeland". Great Russia, on the other hand, is an area added to Little Russia by expansion (voluntary or not) of neighboring territories. Here "great" does not mean greatness, but size.
                  1. +6
                    2 December 2013 22: 36
                    There are Ukrainians who hate Russia so much that they are ready to gladly sell the Russian birthright for a gay-European lentil stew
                    1. +1
                      3 December 2013 08: 27
                      Quote: Stanislav
                      There are Ukrainians who hate Russia so much that they are ready to gladly sell the Russian birthright for a gay-European lentil stew


                      + yes there are plenty of them.
                4. +10
                  2 December 2013 11: 06
                  Crawl ass EU, tell us about the difference.
                5. -1
                  2 December 2013 11: 38
                  as part of Raska !!!
                  Yes, you sir Hamjal minus one.
                6. +8
                  2 December 2013 12: 10
                  ABOUT! Buddy Bought opposition by amers and geyropoi, pulling you nowhere. They are already planning the closure of many enterprises in Ukraine, the seizure of land under shale gas, which will poison the entire fertile layer of your land. Foreign companies are already conducting test drilling and shale gas production and want to pull the pipeline to Europe. Yanukovych understood it all, that the EU is preparing a slow death for your Ukraine. There will be no enterprises, there will be no tax, and there will be no pensions for pensioners. The EU does not promise you any currency, there will be nothing to build and restore because they themselves have no money. Putin offers Yanukovych real things to restore the Ukrainian economy and get out of debt, after which Ukraine will get on its feet. Russia is interested in this, since we have a lot in common, many related enterprises that really work with Russia, and if Ukraine joins the customs union, there will be even more such enterprises.
        2. MG42
          +12
          2 December 2013 08: 21
          Quote: ATATA
          The head of the Kiev police, who gave the order to disperse the maydaun, resigned

          He did not give the order to disperse the Maidan, the more so the Crimean and Lugansk golden eagles worked there, and the Minister of Internal Affairs Zakharchenko, they simply made him a switchman.
          Quote: ATATA
          Golden eagle stands against the front-end loader even without shields!

          That is not a golden eagle stood in the forefront and BB
          The golden eagle stood behind the buses and went straight to the attack, driving along the narrow Bankova street. He was attacked by members of the party <<< Brotherhood >> 300 people partially supported some of the freedom + 2 MPs, the leaders of the opposition generally disowned them. From the outside it looked like a show <tractor> was driving and suddenly stalled, before that he was accidentally forgotten on the adjacent street with AP request In short, someone needed a picture
          1. +9
            2 December 2013 08: 42
            Quote: MG42
            He was attacked by members of the party <<< Brotherhood >> 300 people partially supported some of the freedom + 2 MP

            And captain Vrungel, there below wrote in the comment that it was Yanukovych who hired provocateurs laughing
            1. MG42
              +10
              2 December 2013 08: 55
              There is a complete fog for whom Korchinsky is now working, a muddy type of provocateur and radical, who at one time fought in Chechnya on the side of the militants.
              The leader of the Brotherhood party, who actively participated with his fellow party members in an attempt to storm the Presidential Administration, accused the opposition leaders of not supporting him. He wrote about this in his blog.

              http://kp.ua/daily/021213/426859/
          2. +5
            2 December 2013 13: 04
            Quote: MG42
            in short, someone needed a picture

            What does "someone" mean? Petya Poroshenko then spoke on Channel 5 (which belongs to him) and told how he "heroically" jumped on the bucket and stopped this bulldozer!
            1. Captain Vrungel
              -2
              2 December 2013 14: 48
              Elena! You have to be more honest. More honest. Here are the times. Everything is built on nonsense. Yes Poroshenko jumped on the loader. Stopped. He separated the rotozeevs from the Maidan from the provocateurs of the "titushki". He spread the protesters and the police to a safe distance. By the way, the policemen retreated under his leadership to the distance that he indicated. And this was shown not by "5" channel, but by TSN in the morning block.
              You did not pay attention to the fact that 175 people with injuries were hospitalized. Who gave the police the right to beat people. Even in a street fight, the speed bumps are not beaten. These inhumans in uniform were simultaneously beaten with batons and feet of a fallen person. You did not see how a pregnant woman, a man was beaten on the back with a small child in her arms. Answer to whom they swore allegiance to the people? or godfather who crowned them in lawlessness. Are they fighting bandits? The police are at war with them, and these gangs only serve at the command of a pahanat. Do you like it! Personally, I do not. Drive this power and its militants in shape. And not only drive, but judge. People’s tribunals should be created from honest, competent lawyers, and not use the services of prosecutors and judges to feed regionals.
              The people will conquer this gang of legitimate thieves in law.
              1. +5
                2 December 2013 15: 08
                Quote: Captain Vrungel
                Elena! You have to be honest. More honest

                Yeah, how many journalists on the Maidan were beaten?
                Quote: Captain Vrungel
                Yes Poroshenko jumped on a loader. Stopped

                Savior laughing
                Quote: Captain Vrungel
                By the way, the policemen, under his leadership, retreated to the distance that he indicated

                Well, who would dare to disobey him lol
                Quote: Captain Vrungel
                You did not pay attention to the fact that 175 people with injuries were hospitalized

                How many of them are police officers? Or throwing bricks at Berkut is a manifestation of democracy?
                Quote: Captain Vrungel
                The people will WIN e

                In short, Khan country.
              2. MG42
                -4
                2 December 2013 15: 15
                Yuri, I agree with everything in your post except criticism of Elena? we all have the right to make a mistake on the Internet ..
                I venture to convey a little to my Russian colleagues in order to get cons in the trend of urapatriotizva, but still, because power in Ukraine already specifically got almost everyone>>> So, the indignation of ordinary Ukrainians was caused not only by the dispersal itself, but by the fact that the special forces of the golden eagle then pursued the people not only of the protesters, but also ordinary passers-by were handed out, who did not have time to reach the cathedral and just take cover in different directions of the adjacent streets. They even chased girls and beat who ran badly .. There are 2 videos that confirm this, I will post one of them >>

                We apparently started censorship, part of the SBU video deletes
                1. MG42
                  +2
                  2 December 2013 15: 54
                  Interior Minister Vitaliy Zakharchenko apologized to the Ukrainians for the excessive use of force on the night of December 30 on Independence Square. He stated this at the board of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

                  According to him, active actions were not included in the plans of the ministry, Interfax-Ukraine reports.

                  “I would personally like to apologize from the board members for the excessive use of force in relation to the participants of the rally on the Maidan ... I would like to state that active actions were not included in the plans,” the minister said.


                  http://vlasti.net/news/180543

                  Here the truth is already mounted with music
                  1. a boat
                    -1
                    2 December 2013 16: 56
                    you forgot to add the glory to UKRAINE ,,,! HERO x ,, new
                    1. +5
                      2 December 2013 17: 30
                      gych (1) UA Today, 16:56 ↑
                      you forgot to add glory to UKRAINE ,,,! HERO x ,, new "
                      Showed on the Zombie box performances 1 11 13 rebellious leaders .. After Tyazhniboka poured out on the gnarled Ukrainian Klitschko (apparently he did not remove the mouthpiece from his mouth) .. He finished his fiery speech with the words: "Glory to Ukraine" The crowd chanted, but it was not shown. then Senya Yatsenyuk spoke up .. and ended with the same slogan .. That was picked up by the crowd .. and again they didn’t show any sense. what follows from this:
                      1. Both Klitschko and Senya Yatsenyuk followed Tyagnibok ..
                      2. They do not have their protesting "readership" in May. (NO) or could not raise at the proper level
                      3. The main striking force is the electorate and the active in O "Svoboda" Tyagnibok and the like
                      4. They have NO other way to come to power legally. They will aggravate the situation further. What is bad for the country's economy and ...
                      5 And do not buy GOD if they come to power .. The same Seine will not seem enough ..
                    2. a boat
                      +2
                      2 December 2013 18: 23
                      here the bender staff pulled up the first cons flew
                2. a boat
                  +6
                  2 December 2013 16: 50
                  uv, judging by your comments, you yourself on the Independence Square shouted for joining GaiRopu!
                  1. MG42
                    -1
                    2 December 2013 16: 59
                    They didn’t guess, just outraged by the cruelty of dispersal like my whole family.
                    Quote: gych
                    I like the Russian Federation closer than the EU

                    And here about IT, does the conversation go in MY comments today? I am trying to illuminate the picture without expressing sympathies and antipathies.
                    1. -1
                      2 December 2013 17: 25
                      You and your family have psychosis, it is caused by the work of your media.
                      Wake up!
                      1. MG42
                        -2
                        2 December 2013 17: 32
                        Quote: ATATA
                        You and your family have psychosis

                        Thank you. hi Watch Putin TV.
                    2. +6
                      2 December 2013 17: 37
                      Quote: MG42
                      I am trying to illuminate the picture without expressing sympathies and antipathies.

                      But admit that you’ve been bred and underbent with quality. Having shown the European gingerbread, and now get a whip, regardless of what you choose in the future.
                      Yanukovosch tore the crotch anyway.
                      Wait for attempts to overthrow the government. And you, and everyone who disagrees with you raking in any case. Already under any authority.
                      Yanuk pull Putin, but he refuses to harness. Why did he have to be with the West, and Syria was enough.
                      And everyone screaming now in the squares under the DIFFERENT flags, acts in the interests of the damned bourgeois.

                      Steamboats sailing - the cabin of YanukovoschU,
                      Airplanes are flying - the cabin of Yanukovych,
                      And europioners will come - they will only shit ...
                    3. Hudo
                      +6
                      2 December 2013 18: 46
                      Quote: MG42
                      MG42 (1) SU Today, 16:59 ↑

                      They didn’t guess, just outraged by the cruelty of dispersal like my whole family.

                      Hm. But my family is also outraged - the truth is not cruelty, but for many years a belated mizdyulenoy for maydaunnoy thoughts! Earlier, since about 1990, it was necessary to drive a herd of shrill Zapadenskie Papuans into Kiev paving stones with clubs. Maybe they would have lived better, but living with an iodine-deficient Galician’s mind, with GAYROs-fascists can’t make a fortune. And then ALL authorities in a row for all 22 years of occupation licked their butt-rubbed asses for Galitsians, and at the same time, under the joyful screech of the Carpathian Indians about incapacity had a wonderful gesheft.
                      1. +2
                        2 December 2013 21: 33
                        Quote: Hudo
                        Hm. But my family is also outraged - the truth is not cruelty, but for many years a belated mizdyulenoy for maydaunnoy thoughts! Earlier, since about 1990, it was necessary to drive a herd of shrill Zapadenskie Papuans into Kiev paving stones with clubs. Maybe they would have lived better, but living with an iodine-deficient Galician’s mind, with GAYROs-fascists can’t make a fortune. And then ALL authorities in a row for all 22 years of occupation licked their butt-rubbed asses for Galitsians, and at the same time, under the joyful screech of the Carpathian Indians about incapacity had a wonderful gesheft.
                        good drinks To the point.
                      2. Hudo
                        +6
                        2 December 2013 22: 01
                        Quote: ATATA
                        To the point.

                        Still would! Personally, I look at it ** for 22 years.
                        Thank you for your understanding, Alexey. drinks
                    4. +2
                      2 December 2013 19: 26
                      Quote: MG42
                      They didn’t guess, just outraged by the cruelty of dispersal like my whole family.

                      Compared to "civilized" Europe, where Ukraine is supposedly aiming, this "dispersal" is just a children's matinee. There, for simple disobedience to the police demand, the protesters would not be squeezed out of the square, but treated with rubber bullets and water cannons. Moreover, the press would have applauded with admiration.
                      An attempt to block the work of key state institutions, an attempt to seize the cabinet of ministers, etc. in Europe, in principle, it is impossible, that is, the "Maidan people" there would be harshly dispersed on the very first day.
                      PS I'm not talking about the "beacon of democracy" in the USA at all, there people who tried to arrange something like that in Washington would simply be shot like mad dogs.
                    5. -1
                      3 December 2013 08: 35
                      Quote: MG42
                      They didn’t guess, just outraged by the cruelty of dispersal like my whole family.


                      he is indignant ... liberalist? Blow on ... in his EU.
              3. +1
                2 December 2013 16: 50
                In a street fight, unfortunately, they beat a lying person for a long time, and they can also shoot a "control" in the head at the end of the trauma. "Animals" especially love it ...
                1. MG42
                  +2
                  2 December 2013 16: 56
                  Quote: fzr1000
                  In a street fight, unfortunately, they have long beaten a recumbent

                  This is shown by euronews
                  1. 0
                    3 December 2013 05: 53
                    Quote: MG42
                    This is shown by euronews

                    In fact of the matter...
                    A loader drove through the crowd ... Are you sure that he crushed only the police?
                    Specially trained guys waved their chains ... Are you sure that they only injured policemen in a circular swing?
                    In a scale, he shouted: “Come here n ... races!” “Are you sure that this is a man who is not lying with a camera shouting, then posing with his head broken?”
                    Yes, and the beating of government officials in the performance of their official duties and the abuse of official authority by government officials are different articles, don’t you?
                    And, besides: the people who do not want to feed their army-will feed someone else's ... do you think this is only about the Russians?
              4. +13
                2 December 2013 17: 04
                These inhumans in uniform were simultaneously beaten with batons and feet of a fallen person. You did not see how a pregnant woman, a man was beaten on the back with a small child in her arms.
                ************************************************** ******************************
                *
                Question: what did children and a pregnant woman do in such a place and at such a time? Children should eat porridge at home under the supervision of caring parents, and pregnant women should keep their future child, NOT PUSHING ON MAIDAN!
                1. +6
                  2 December 2013 19: 35
                  These inhumans in uniform were simultaneously beaten with batons and feet of a fallen person. You did not see how a pregnant woman, a man was beaten on the back with a small child in her arms.

                  Familiar situation
              5. +8
                2 December 2013 18: 40
                Captain Vrungel (1) SU Today, 14:48 PM ↑
                "You have to be more honest. Honest. These are the times. Everything is built on nonsense. Yes, Poroshenko jumped up .."
                And why exactly Poroshenko jumped up, and not another .. Oligarch, and on the bucket and the crowd to breed Not a lordly thing .. Maybe he remembered the revolutionary 90 years .. Crowd. Above it is a poster "To finish robbing the Ukrainian people" And in the foreground is Poroshenko, not yet known to anyone and not yet an oligarch ...
                And before that, one oligarch Zhvania was exhausted from the faction of the Renion party .. And what kind of an epidemic is this?
                Is this not the financial component of the Maidan ?????????????????
                1. Angry reader
                  0
                  2 December 2013 19: 00
                  their eyes were opened to lawlessness, they had taken an unexpectedly .. opened))
              6. Angry reader
                +4
                2 December 2013 18: 57
                ... What a "mu ... ak" is going to the Maidan with a child, what a ... pregnant ... there ??
                Another order for a picture, by analogy with "swampy pregnant girl"
              7. +6
                2 December 2013 19: 43
                Quote: Captain Vrungel
                And this was shown not by "5" channel, but by TSN in the morning block.

                And I watched on the 5 channel in the evening!
                Quote: Captain Vrungel
                You did not see how a pregnant woman, a man was beaten on the back with a small child in her arms.

                No, I didn’t see it, maybe they showed it on TSN in the morning. But WHY did the pregnant woman and the man with the child flooded there? After all, there were ALREADY clashes with the police! What place did they think? By the way, then, no matter how much they looked for this pregnant woman, they did not find it. Neither in the ambulance, nor among the injured ... By the way, the pillow is not so difficult to put on! We have one such "pregnant" for three years in a row took sessions at the institute, the teachers were sorry, they put everything on the ball. Only later, already after graduation, someone added that she was "pregnant" for all three courses at sessions with the same period!
                1. Angry reader
                  +2
                  3 December 2013 03: 12
                  And they will not find a pregnant woman ... she was "exported" to a "safe place" so that the "dogs of the regime" would not intimidate .. or "there was a miscarriage" through the fault of you know who), If you remember in Riga the corpses were dragged by "innocent murdered"
                  PS New stuffing: 5 students from Lviv went missing in Kiev, and tanks go to Kiev))
                  ..so everything is according to D. Sharp_)
        3. +10
          2 December 2013 08: 46
          Quote: ATATA
          that the current government in Ukraine will end, like Gorbachev. And it will be soon

          Gorbachev ear hook - well settled

          What will happen to this power does not care - people are sorry, as if there didn’t come to the shooting ....
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        5. +13
          2 December 2013 09: 44
          Quote: ATATA
          Golden eagle stands against the front-end loader even without shields!

          It’s not at all understandable, because the loader’s towers could have been laid right there on absolutely legal grounds. Police generally need to give medals for tolerance.
          1. +8
            2 December 2013 10: 44
            Quote: Фкенщь13
            Police generally need to give medals for tolerance.

            And they got criminal cases. The persecution of cops by the state is one of the main signs of the decay and collapse of the state itself. It is impossible to do this with law enforcement agencies, that is why they are law enforcement agencies, and if the cop keeps in mind "how not to do something," then it will already be a power impotent.
          2. +3
            2 December 2013 14: 11
            Quote: Фкенщь13
            and completely legal grounds to squander right there. Police generally need to give medals for tolerance.

            I mean shoot? It is forbidden to give out firearms to riots.
            1. +5
              2 December 2013 18: 12
              Quote: Slavs69
              It is forbidden to give out firearms to riots.
              Well then, at least beat off the kidneys, for they would crush people with a tractor, even policemen.
            2. sapran
              +3
              2 December 2013 19: 48
              Whom to shoot? "Titushek"? this is the usual theater of provocateurs. If you take it seriously, then in this quarter there are permanent places where snipers are on duty and they do not belong to the "golden eagle". Nearby is the building of the DSO (state security service). You don't have to believe all this window dressing. Of course, I feel sorry for the fighters in the first two ranks (in fact, they covered themselves).
              In addition, here on the face is really also a revolt of "capital". Got out "Dentist". Immeasurable greed, seasoned with "Donetsk charm" played a "bad service". In fact, everything is outrageously stupid and stupid ...
              1. MG42
                0
                3 December 2013 13: 04
                Quote: sapran
                ... If you take it seriously, then in this quarter there are permanent places where snipers are on duty and they do not belong to the "golden eagle".

                Well, finally, a reasonable comment: a loader could not take an unattended tractor there in a specially guarded zone, the driver would have been shot long ago if he really went to the AP, and so the obvious props like he behaved, the tractor died out right in front of the explosives, the monkeys jumped onto the bucket someone needed a picture, all the more, even from the pro-government deputies of Ukraine they received infa, who agreed on how and with whom, and what kind of people, we’ll clarify a little.
        6. avt
          +6
          2 December 2013 10: 47
          Quote: ATATA
          The authorities have complete impotence of will.
          The head of the Kiev police, who gave the order to disperse the maydaun, resigned. Those. security officials who give real orders to restore order are simply beaten on the hands.

          And those for whom they protect! And this is not the first time! Remember the Minister of Internal Affairs of Kuchma, when Yanyk leaked the won elections, well, who shot himself with two shots to the head.
        7. nickname 1 and 2
          +2
          2 December 2013 11: 29
          Quote: ATATA
          Well, at least Russia will no longer be to blame.


          Who? have these? Well, hardly!

          eat for free! This infection - to the grave-board - will not unhook.

          and those who do not give fault!
          1. -2
            3 December 2013 08: 43
            Quote: nick 1 and 2
            eat for free! This infection - to the grave-board - will not unhook.

            and those who do not give fault!


            and to blame, the one who recalls
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        9. +1
          2 December 2013 11: 34
           ATATA  Today, 07:38 ↑ New
          Well, at least Russia will no longer be to blame.
          On the contrary. This acceleration of leprosy GDP.
          Quote (Sven @ 30.11.2013/21/53, XNUMX:XNUMX PM)
          So what is the Bulo?
          my version is real:
          1. yogo was presented through the failure of Asotsiatsії
          2. vin piddavsya namovlyannyu putin - pam "yatash, yak putin vimagav at Kuchmi, who rozignav Maidan 2004 r.
          http://ukrpolitforum.com/page14694s870.html
        10. 0
          2 December 2013 12: 55
          Quote: ATATA
          overclocking maydownа

          good
          I liked the neologism. Patent, not lose. laughing
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          1. a boat
            +7
            2 December 2013 17: 00
            Well, how do such non-peers ... stay? Bandero-fascists are bold when they don’t answer
        12. vlad1
          +6
          2 December 2013 15: 40
          if Kuchma had enough political will to prevent Pomeranchevs, it wouldn’t be like that now, but it’s going to be the same now as when the authorities can’t and don’t want to manage available resources they’ll throw it off and it’s good if it’s hot without blood
        13. Bandera
          +6
          2 December 2013 15: 48
          In front of the bulldozer were guys from the Internal Troops, conscripts of 18-25 years old.
          The "Berkut" fighters were (are they now?) In the courtyard.
          So, if the soldiers had parted, today they would have heard from the opposition about the successful seizure of the Presidential Administration and a new revolution. And they just announced the provocateurs.
        14. +3
          2 December 2013 17: 40
          Quote: ATATA
          The authorities have complete impotence of will.

          Our "guarantor" is like that ostrich with its head in the sand - you can't hear or see ...
          Crimean parliament called for the introduction of emergency.
        15. +2
          2 December 2013 19: 36
          Quote: ATATA
          Well, at least Russia will no longer be to blame.


          This is you in vain laughing
          For Ukrainians, Russia will ALWAYS be to blame for everything, there is no water in the tap, crop failure, an attack by the Martians - all the same, the Russians will be to blame laughing
      3. -1
        2 December 2013 08: 34
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I personally congratulate the next clown who wanted to sit on two chairs

        I’m personally put it on, I think to send troops ...
        1. +1
          2 December 2013 09: 18
          Quote: APES
          I’m personally put it on, I think to send troops ...

          What and where?
          1. +2
            2 December 2013 09: 57
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            What and where?

            not decided yet laughing
            1. 0
              2 December 2013 12: 18
              Quote: APES
              not decided yet

              Decide faster where, why and how much soldier
            2. -7
              2 December 2013 14: 38
              It seems like it's time to repeat the Prague Spring ... Only this time it will be Kiev ...
              1. +5
                2 December 2013 15: 42

                According to this scheme, about which Tsarev made an appeal to the prosecutor's office in the Verkhovna Rada.
                1. +1
                  2 December 2013 16: 27
                  This is for my fellow compatriots.
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          3. -1
            3 December 2013 08: 49
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            What and where?


            and let's run an expired freebie there? Themselves ****
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      5. +31
        2 December 2013 09: 19
        Alexander Romanov (1) RU "They want to go to Europe and, as it were, to Russia."
        --------------------------------------------------------------------
        Just ask you to speak more carefully! You say so as if everyone in Ukraine is dreaming of this "uy" GEYROPA! That's who dreams of her - let him go there, and these are mainly representatives from the West! I have said many times and will repeat again: there is no "Ukraine" there is only RUSSIA! And the current Russian government should return its territories, and not watch what happens next! I live in Kharkov, it is 60 km to Belgorod, we are looking forward to Russian TANKS!
        1. +30
          2 December 2013 09: 32
          I join, in the country a mess, anarchy is (the president) is gone somewhere, the banderars want to do something. Yanukovych threw everyone again. I never spoke out all the time, I felt like leaking cowardly again Putin take Ukraine away
          1. +3
            2 December 2013 10: 12
            Quote: komsomolets
            Putin take Ukraine while no zheks

            History apparently does not teach you anything, There was a similar situation - Razlde Poland in 1939. Because London and Paris did not declare war on the USSR, but made Germany the FIRST napavshey.Nuzhno wait until Ukraine breaks into the West and East. ONLY THEN, under the pretext of establishing civil peace and protecting against possible aggression from outside (after all, Romania has territorial claims).
            1. +12
              2 December 2013 10: 30
              Yes, I’m so, on emotions, it’s just that you don’t see such a circus every day. The whole country is one big circus.
              1. +4
                2 December 2013 10: 43
                We can only sympathize for now.
              2. +4
                2 December 2013 10: 58
                Quote: komsomolets
                Yes, I’m so, on emotions, it’s just that you don’t see such a circus every day. The whole country is one big circus.

                Does it seem to you like the 90-91st? On emotions and for EBNutym went.
                1. 0
                  2 December 2013 11: 43
                  Quote: Lubomyr
                  Does it seem to you like the 90-91st? On emotions and for EBNutym went.


                  Rather like in 1653
                2. +6
                  2 December 2013 13: 30
                  Quote: Lubomyr
                  On emotions and for EBNutym went.

                  But people who agree with the written are still alive.
                  I would now ask them what they think about ...
                  It is the same in Ukraine. They beckoned me with a beautiful placard which depicts "sausage", and behind the picture - a garbage can.
                  I know what I'm saying - because I see with my own eyes.
            2. +4
              2 December 2013 11: 14
              Quote: Lubomyr
              It is necessary to wait until Ukraine breaks into "west" and "east".

              it seems to me, but in my opinion it happened a long time ago, just look at the fantastic twine in which any president of Ukraine sits.
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        2. slvevg
          +3
          2 December 2013 11: 02
          And everyone thought that the 3rd World War will begin with Syria. It would not be again from Europe. fool
          1. +1
            3 December 2013 08: 56
            Quote: slvevg
            And everyone thought that the 3rd World War will begin with Syria. It would not be again from Europe.


            not from Europe will not start ... there are a lot of chocks, but they will not let their house be destroyed.

        3. 0
          2 December 2013 15: 10
          Quote: alexdol
          Just ask to speak more carefully! You say so, as if everyone in Ukraine is dreaming

          You probably have not read my earlier comments, who knows me, understands everything. Do not believe me, ask Kars, this will be the most independent source of information for you.
        4. +7
          2 December 2013 17: 13
          The south of Ukraine with Russia! Ekaterina2-I, Potemkin, Suvorov, Rumyantsev-these are our values, our history, our truth! The Geyrope essence is alien to us.
      6. +2
        2 December 2013 10: 55
        When there is a trap under the booty, there is no way for amenities. If only the edges of the priests to stay.
      7. +11
        2 December 2013 11: 47
        V. And Lenin: "All power is worth something only when it knows how to defend itself."
        1. +2
          2 December 2013 14: 52
          Question: "If the government cannot defend itself, can it defend its people ???"
      8. makarov
        +8
        2 December 2013 11: 52
        "..Well, how does Yanukovych sit there, doesn't press anything, doesn't press? .."

        Yevonaya "gopa" was divided into two camps according to grannies and profit, one for him (that is, equity) - others against (that is, for equity). And everything else - slogans, appeals, etc., is all soap.
        In Ukraine, there are 100 dollar billionaires, and Janek said to the EU you say give 160 billion to boost the Ukrainian industry ... The EU is just awesome, because they know that the Ukrainian industry is long gone, but there are factory steamers of specific "navels". I wanted to chop the two-faced Anus of the grannies, and ended up in the international goose.
      9. AVV
        +7
        2 December 2013 12: 50
        Here, simply Yanukovych wants to sell Ukraine at a higher price, and it will always seem that they give very little, but such are the laws of trade that each product has its own real price and you won’t be able to take more because the cost of the goods is what kind of money buyers are willing to buy !! ! Europe is ready to lay out for Independent, as for stale goods and offers essentially barter, its democratic values, terrible homosexuality, juvenile justice, plus freedom of choice, to be free from work, from the family in its traditional sense, from making decisions as an independent state !!! And Russia offers further cooperation in production, real loans, the construction of the latest nuclear power plant, and energy at domestic Russian prices and much more !!! And all this is work for Ukrainian citizens, the opportunity to earn money at home, and not to get hired France, Germany, England for uncle !!! That's all the differences, and the choice always remains with the people !!!
      10. +1
        2 December 2013 13: 19
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Given what is happening in Kiev now and how the EU is reacting to it



        "The European Union takes a neutral position, but believes that those responsible for the excessive use of force should be punished. If the country's leadership does not do this, the European Union has its own means, including the possibility of imposing a ban on entry to European states," the diplomat said.


        Here is the Ukrainian "Magnitsky List". In my response, I propose to Ukraine to legally prohibit children and girls under 25 from traveling to Europe. An eye for an eye ... Let them suffer dry
        1. +2
          2 December 2013 13: 34
          And after that they say that Russia is crushing?
        2. +2
          2 December 2013 15: 13
          Quote: Cherdak
          The EU is neutral

          Yeah, and the European deputies speaking on the Maidan is so, well, nothing winked
      11. +1
        2 December 2013 16: 01
        It’s funny to read all these headlines about Ukraine as a bride, and the whole subtext comes down to who has Ukraine!
      12. Vovka levka
        -4
        2 December 2013 17: 31
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: GUSAR
        Do they want to go to Europe ?!

        They want both to Europe and, as it were, to Russia. Given what is happening in Kiev now and how the EU is reacting to it belay On my own behalf, I congratulate the next clown who wanted to sit on two chairs.
        Well, how is Yanukovych sitting there for you, not squeezing anything, not pushing?

        The Ukrainian people did not go against Yanukovych and not for European integration, this is secondary. He went just for himself.
        1. Hudo
          +5
          2 December 2013 18: 58
          Quote: Vovka Levka
          The Ukrainian people did not go against Yanukovych and not for European integration, this is secondary. He went just for himself.


          Yeah, for yourself! According to the scenario from the embassy of the usa for themselves do not go/ Libyan proverb /
      13. 755962
        +5
        2 December 2013 19: 53
        Oleg Tsarev. The United States is preparing to foment a civil war in Ukraine
        “Activists of the Volya public organization appealed to me as the People’s Deputy of Ukraine, who provided convincing evidence that the TechCamp project was being implemented in the territory of our state with the support and direct participation of the US Embassy, ​​in the framework of which preparations were being made to foment a civil war on Ukraine. The TechCamp project aims at training specialists in information warfare and discrediting state institutions in modern media, potential revolutionaries for organizing protests and overthrowing the state regime. The project is under the patronage and supervision of the US ambassador to Ukraine, Jeffrey Payette, ”the politician said.


        http://www.russiapost.su/archives/10902

      14. -1
        3 December 2013 09: 11
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        They want both to Europe and, as it were, with Russia

        Sanya, well, Germany and Italy - also, as it were, in the EU and NATO - are nevertheless considered friends of Russia. Why would such an option not be held with Ukraine?

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        On my own behalf, I congratulate the next clown who wanted to sit on two chairs. Well, how are you sitting there, Yanukovych is squeezing nothing, not pushing?


        Sanya, Yanukovych would love to enter the TS, only he understands that he should live in Ukraine.
      15. ekzorsist
        0
        4 December 2013 19: 39
        Multi-vector ... something familiar ... here is another multi-vector and multi-polar near Russia - Kazakhstan.
        Maybe looking at this brothelier in Kazakhs, normal thoughts will appear in my head ... though ...
      16. igorelo
        0
        5 December 2013 22: 35
        The author. He doesn't know a damn thing. he is Ukrainophobic. Moscow crap life in Ukraine. Katsapi idiot. I wish America to bomb Katsapstan with nuclear bombs as soon as possible. Death pit. Glory to Ukraine!
      17. igorelo
        0
        5 December 2013 22: 35
        The author. He doesn't know a damn thing. he is Ukrainophobic. Moscow crap life in Ukraine. Katsapi idiot. I wish America to bomb Katsapstan with nuclear bombs as soon as possible. Death pit. Glory to Ukraine!
        1. 0
          6 December 2013 00: 20
          Quote: igorelo
          The author. Don't know a damn thing


          again stupid people fled request
    2. +7
      2 December 2013 08: 07
      Yes, let them figure it out, on the sites "Freedom" and other + national Ukrainian-such shnyaga-chronicle of attacks on the "defenders", pressure from Russia, Russian special forces, live broadcasts, other mura-such shnyaga gives the beginning of the 90s in the USSR, then the same.
      Ugh, disgusting.
      1. +5
        2 December 2013 08: 15
        Quote: mirag2
        -such shnyaga gives the beginning of the 90s in the USSR, the same thing.

        So they stayed there, far from far away. The slogans are the same as 20 years ago.
      2. +2
        2 December 2013 17: 15
        State Department stinks
    3. ole
      ole
      -11
      2 December 2013 08: 50
      Ukraine is another fact country and in my opinion there will never be an alliance with Russia, so the choice of Europe, even to the states, is their choice, our task is to tear Russia.
      1. +4
        2 December 2013 08: 57
        Quote: ole
        Ukraine is another state


        Who said?
        1. MG42
          -8
          2 December 2013 09: 18
          Quote: APES
          Who said?

          Is Ukraine another state of something wrong?
          1. +1
            2 December 2013 10: 49
            Quote: MG42
            Is Ukraine another state of something wrong?


            Already how many centuries "something is wrong", and you just noticed?
            1. MG42
              +3
              2 December 2013 11: 09
              Quote: IS-80
              did you just notice?

              What did I notice? What suddenly my Ukrainian passport materialized? wassat
              1. Hudo
                +5
                2 December 2013 11: 32
                Quote: MG42
                did you just notice?

                What did I notice? What suddenly my Ukrainian passport materialized?


                In 1941-44. former European integrators in the same territory also issued outswinges to the population. So what? And where are those advise now?
              2. 0
                2 December 2013 11: 40
                Quote: MG42
                What suddenly my Ukrainian passport materialized?


                In dreams, our emotions are many times, several orders of magnitude stronger than in real life.

                it's time to wake up, otherwise they plan to introduce responsibility for calls for separatism, some even offer only for thoughts and even for dreams!
                1. MG42
                  +4
                  2 December 2013 11: 45
                  Quote: APES
                  In dreams, our emotions are many times, several orders of magnitude stronger than in real life.

                  time to wake up

                  What do you propose to issue Russian passports to Ukrainian citizens, or maybe return a USSR passport?
                  1. +2
                    2 December 2013 12: 36
                    Quote: Sochi
                    What do you propose to issue Russian passports to Ukrainian citizens, or maybe return a USSR passport?

                    Quote: MG42
                    Quote: APES
                    In dreams, our emotions are many times, several orders of magnitude stronger than in real life.

                    time to wake up

                    What do you propose to issue Russian passports to Ukrainian citizens, or maybe return a USSR passport?

                    Почему нет?
                  2. +6
                    2 December 2013 12: 44
                    Quote: MG42
                    What do you propose to issue Russian passports to Ukrainian citizens, or maybe return a USSR passport?


                    I will answer this: time will put everything in its place.

                    and so the process is already going on, and OUR MOTHERLAND IS WITH YOU (I emphasize ours with you - try to prove that this is not so wink ) from defense has already passed to successful attacks - the question is different - what is your choice - to be a part of the WHOLE or to be in a "known place" (which for some reason is now called "in Europe").
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            2. 0
              2 December 2013 11: 28
              20 years just ... in other times there was a division of Russian land by foreign interventionists.
          2. a boat
            -1
            2 December 2013 17: 04
            that's it, something is wrong!
        2. avt
          +4
          2 December 2013 10: 53
          Quote: ole
          Ukraine is another fact country and in my opinion there will never be an alliance with Russia, so the choice of Europe, even to the states, is their choice, our task is to tear Russia.

          Quote: APES
          Who said?
          Their elected president Kuchma even wrote a little book - "Ukraine is not Russia", and before that EBN, Kravchuk and Shushkevmch wrote it on paper in Belovezhie.
          1. +3
            2 December 2013 11: 43
            Quote: avt
            Kuchma, EBN, Kravchuk and Shushkevmch


            Who is this? I didn’t have such patients, I don’t remember ...
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        3. -1
          3 December 2013 09: 08
          Quote: APES
          Quote: ole
          Ukraine is another state


          Who said?


          cheap populism
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    4. +4
      2 December 2013 09: 35
      It's just that it has already become a tradition of the Ukrainian people to "Maidan", we go to barbecues or drink beer, and they sit on Maidan, so they have a rest laughing
      1. +8
        2 December 2013 10: 25
        For example, well, Ukraine will join the European Union, prices for communal products and other "joys" of life will rise, unemployment will increase ... and what next?, Again on the Maidan?, Only this time there will be no guys with iron pipes in their hands from western Ukraine ... but guys with rails in the hands of eastern ones will do too ...
        1. +3
          2 December 2013 15: 27
          communal prices will rise

          This must be arranged in Lviv region to aerate the brain. Although not - for a month throughout the territory. I agree to pay for such a science.
          1. Hudo
            0
            2 December 2013 19: 01
            Quote: Rubs
            This must be arranged in Lviv region to aerate the brain.


            There, apart from napalm and carpet bombing, you can’t ventilate the area from the fascist Galician stench.
      2. +1
        2 December 2013 12: 13
        Yeah! Yes, they showed on TV how they fried fat on barrels, but they probably didn’t give beer, the hryvnia ended laughing
    5. yuri p
      +7
      2 December 2013 10: 02
      apparently you don’t understand the whole situation, but the fact is that Europe wants to get a colony and what is important this colony has a border with Russia, and the desire to involve Georgia, Armenia, Moldova, if Ukraine enters the European Union, take a map and understand what it will be, a blockade of the country from Europe and they will begin to dictate the conditions of Russia, it didn’t work out with NATO, they went the other way, it’s not without reason that the United States takes an active part in Ukraine’s involvement, and along the way the European Union receives markets for its goods, i.e. economic gain in person, and Russia loses ties with Ukraine , we must not forget that joint companies have remained since the times of the USSR, especially in the defense industry.
    6. +16
      2 December 2013 10: 55
      I don’t give a damn. I have sisters and uncles there, my mother is Ukrainian in the end. And I still remember the good Soviet years, when they took me to my grandmother in a village in Ukraine for the whole summer. Dear people, kind and generous. I know how weddings took place there all over the village, how they all built housing together young. I am sure that the outback is still the same. Far from politics and Maidan. And I know many friends who have many relatives there. So don't give a damn.

      This is the answer to the first post "... Don't we care about this Ukraine? ..."
      1. Platov
        -11
        2 December 2013 11: 33
        Is not your sister hanging out on the Maidan for the integration of the geyevropu.
    7. +4
      2 December 2013 10: 57
      Eastern and Crimea do not want to Europe. How to be What, cast aside fate? My opinion is this, the Easterners and Crimeans to pick up in Russia, and let the rest climb to Europe.
      1. In the book
        -4
        2 December 2013 11: 17
        Quote: Simon
        Eastern and Crimea do not want to Europe. How to be

        Do you know better from Russia what they want in Ukraine?
        1. Hudo
          +3
          2 December 2013 11: 35
          Quote: Libr
          Do you know better from Russia what they want in Ukraine?

          And I personally from the Donbass can see that Comrade Simon is 100% right. Believe me, I communicate with a wide range of people - most of them are here.
        2. heathen
          0
          3 December 2013 15: 59
          Well, I'm from Kiev. Most of those whom I know are by no means seeking Europe, but are increasingly looking toward Russia.
      2. +3
        2 December 2013 17: 51
        Quote: Simon
        Eastern and Crimea do not want to Europe. How to be

        I confirm. I live in the Crimea.
        Ukraine (even without Crimea) is so different mentally that a federal structure is a necessity.
        1. +5
          2 December 2013 20: 18
          Quote: alex13-61
          Quote: Simon
          Eastern and Crimea do not want to Europe. How to be
          I confirm. I live in the Crimea.
          Ukraine (even without Crimea) is so different mentally that a federal structure is a necessity.

          If Yanek does not call Svidomo to order, then Ukraine will be a confederation. And then, guys, you decide - where and how ...
    8. +27
      2 December 2013 11: 14
      Quote: GUSAR
      Do they want to go to Europe ?!

      so the way is simple
      1. In the book
        +4
        2 December 2013 13: 10
        Quote: self-propelled
        so the way is simple

        Here I completely agree with you.
        That is how it should be.
    9. +2
      2 December 2013 12: 32
      Quote: GUSAR
      They want to be independent - for God's sake, only at their own expense !!! Do they want to go to Europe ?! They’d bring it down soon ...

      fool Is she ready to send her sister to the boulevard too, if only to free her living space? stop
    10. Warrawar
      +5
      2 December 2013 12: 54
      Quote: GUSAR
      But do not we care about this Ukraine?

      In fact, do not give a damn ... Ukraine is much more important (for us) than all the Uzbeks / Tajiks and other Asia combined.
      Several million Russians live in Ukraine and pro-Russian sentiments are very strong (in the east and south).
    11. +5
      2 December 2013 13: 02
      Quote: GUSAR
      They want to be independent - for God's sake, only at their own expense !!!


      They just don't want to be independent, but quickly lie under the EU! For "European salaries and pensions." Where does this nonsense come from - a question for the local media and various nongovernmental groups sucking foreign money.

      Of course, it would be optimal to let the Ukrainians join this "line", and then create a drain of the remaining bright brains, but it will obviously not work out in a kind way. "Svidomo" even a count on his head amuse, but Russia will always be to blame.

      In one I completely agree that present-day Ukraine is a non-state, a patchwork entity that centripetal forces will tear apart. And the sooner, the better for the population.
      1. +5
        2 December 2013 13: 12
        Quote: Cherdak
        For "European salaries and pensions." Where does this nonsense come from - a question for the local media and various nongovernmental groups sucking foreign money.

        Where did it come from? Yes, every time Yatsenyuk announces this at rallies and in parliament! And two more blockheads - support and repeat !!!! am
      2. +1
        2 December 2013 14: 49
        Centrifugal and centripetal forces are not the same thing
      3. 0
        2 December 2013 17: 05
        Cherdak FI Today, 13:02 PM ↑
        "I completely agree on one thing that today's Ukraine is a non-state .."
        .. you offer the Russian Federation, as the legal successor of the USSR, to unilaterally denounce the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact and its annex .. (Wicked joke).
    12. w2000
      +5
      2 December 2013 13: 09
      Quote: GUSAR
      But do not we care about this Ukraine? They want to be independent - for God's sake, only at their own expense !!! Do they want to go to Europe ?! They’d bring it down soon ...


      There is a dirty policy. There are economic interests of Western countries and local oligarchs. There are comprador, anti-people regimes in Russia and Ukraine that serve the interests of capitalist oligarchs. All these Russia-Ukraine-EU-USA undercover games are only a reflection of the struggle for resources and profits between different gangs of exploiting capitalists, the essence of which is the same.
      But there are also historical realities, according to which Ukraine is a part of Russia. The people living in these territories, with the exception of the western regions of Ukraine, are united, despite the attempts of artificial separation undertaken by the West, according to the principle of divide and conquer. There are geopolitical realities, according to which the West will always confront Russia, seeing in it a competitor, rival or enemy, depending on the political situation.
      On this basis, for the people of Russia and Ukraine, both their own leaders, who are puppets of the capitalist oligarchs, and European integrators, are hostile. But unlike local exploiters, the methods of the West, when gaining access to the resources of Ukraine and Russia, will be much more predatory and ruthless in relation to the people, because exhaustion of resources during an intervention is always more intense due to time constraints.
    13. +3
      2 December 2013 13: 54
      This whole Vilnius intermedia reminded me of 90s.
      I remember: there was a small article in “Soviet Russia”. The author shared his observations about the decline of morality among high school students. The fact that some schoolgirls were led to demagogy about the release from the shackles of the age-old prejudices of their dark ancestors and decided on "free love". They began to be called "common girls." And use them when you please, do not hesitate to openly rape against their will. Soon they all realized that instead of the promised freedom, they had become sexual slaves. But behaved differently. Someone began to correct the error and atone for sins. But some, realizing what mud they were in, decided to smear as many neighbors as possible in this mud. They lured their decent classmates into traps, where they had been raped by the waiting thugs. At the same time, “common girls” often kept their legs deceived by victims.
      What they wanted to turn in Vilnius, one to one reminds of this tragic situation. Where in the role of "common European girls" were Poland and Lithuania, and the role of the duped fool was meant for Ukraine.
      It is unlikely that Brussels is going to rape Ukraine in a benign regime, like Poland. Most likely it will do this as with Bulgaria - with particular cynicism.
      This time Ukraine managed to avoid Brussels rape. But criminals are rarely so easy to part with the intended victim.
      Let's see how events will develop further.
    14. Apostle
      +2
      2 December 2013 14: 00
      So you just can’t give a damn about the brothers with whom grandfathers-great-grandfathers stood shoulder to shoulder to death for the Russian land? hi
    15. Powder donut
      +2
      2 December 2013 14: 51
      they don’t want to go to Europe, they want to live a normal life, receive decent pensions. Cops and officials to press the nail ... many ordinary people connect with the arrival in the European Union dreams of a bright tomorrow. They believe that Old Man or Mamma Merkel will come and everything will work out right away. And they will go to Schengen. In general, everything painfully recalls the times of the collapse of the USSR ...

      Naive ...

      May God grant Ukraine not to lose itself in this choice.
      1. Apostle
        +1
        2 December 2013 15: 04
        Everyone doesn’t give a damn about politics, people care that their children will eat tomorrow, it’s hard to live in Ukraine, we returned in '93, the squares turn into bazaars again, the police are more afraid than bandits, we have fun ..
    16. 0
      2 December 2013 17: 52
      GUSAR RU Today, 07:23 AM
      Don't we care about this Ukraine? "
      but other countries act the other way around. today news "Why support Ukrainians on the Maidan?
      ("wPolityce", Poland Piotr Zaremba)
      "... the context of Ukraine's liberation from the sphere of Russian domination remains relevant regardless of what we think of the European Union as a political and bureaucratic project that is mired in a crisis ...."
      http://www.inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20131202/215314486.html
      And on the other hand, many of the former had a historical genetic memory .. The memory of the Great Speech of the Commonwealth, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, the Empire of King Charlemagne and Mazepa, who betrayed Tsar Peter ... did not notice that these three countries are the most violent in events on the external arena in Ukraine ???
    17. Angry reader
      0
      2 December 2013 18: 45
      Ternopil, I-Frankivsk, Lviv .. - yes, to Europe, it is desirable to protect the possessed with a "thorn" .. and I will ask you to leave the rest on the "table" ...
      1. +2
        2 December 2013 20: 10
        Which EU, which TS? The people are simply tired of living under the heel of Yanukovych and his gang. That’s why such a powerful crowd is in Kiev. You can safely say that no matter how it ends, Yanukovych is already a political corpse and thrown into the dustbin of history. But I want only one thing for the people of Ukraine: Choose what you yourself want and don’t listen to anyone. If even this is wrong. But then, so that no one blames anyone for this. It's time to make a decision and be responsible for the consequences of this decision. Whatever it is!
    18. Stashen
      +3
      2 December 2013 20: 41
      Do not spit - a significant part of Ukrainians consider themselves Russian, the same Crimea and the eastern regions. Now we will give Ukraine, tomorrow Smolensk and Belgorod regions. It’s already obvious to everyone - crushing and pitting Russian civilization is a long-term strategy of the Western elites.
    19. +2
      2 December 2013 21: 08
      Quote: GUSAR
      Do they want to go to Europe ?! They’d bring it down soon ...


      On the next branch:

      "Zapadentsev" attracts Europe, Left-Bank Ukraine and Crimea - Russia. There is no "mental" difference between a resident of Donetsk or Kharkov region, and a resident of Russia, this is one people. Well, no more difference than between, say, the Urals and St. Petersburg.

      In the meantime, Mikhail Alexandrov, head of the Caucasus department and Baltic expert at the Institute of CIS Countries, commented on the appeal of the Sevastopol deputy Sergei Smolyaninov to Vladimir Putin asking him to send Russian troops to Ukraine.

      “Isn't it time for us to use the mechanism of Article 7 of the Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership” between Russia and Ukraine. Indeed, in the light of this article, the well-known appeal of the deputies of Sevastopol to Putin is quite legitimate, ”he reasoned.

      Alexandrov believes that in the event of the forcible removal of the Yanukovych’s government in Kiev, consultations can be held with the legitimate regional authorities of Ukraine, including Sevastopol, because the Treaty does not say anywhere that consultations should be held with the central government.
    20. from bavaria
      0
      5 December 2013 01: 40
      Well, yes, we’ll spit on one edge, we’ll spit on the eastern distant edge, and in the Urals in our own saliva we will succumb to the fact that we won’t find the climb.
    21. paninartem
      0
      6 December 2013 10: 04
      And you saw that the Putin government posted on the network a database of all citizens of the CIS and the Russian Federation: phones, addresses, photo and video recordings,
      personal correspondence and much more. By the way, all the data is publicly available, but you can hide your profile if you do not want others to see it.
      Here is a link to that site http://5u2.ru/a7b

      And you saw that the Putin government posted on the network a database of all citizens of the CIS and the Russian Federation: phones, addresses, photo and video recordings,
      personal correspondence and much more. By the way, all the data is publicly available, but you can hide your profile if you do not want others to see it.
      Here is a link to that site http://5u2.ru/a7b
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  3. MG42
    +5
    2 December 2013 07: 24
    An interesting video about Yanukovych says his companion in the Party of Regions, Inna Bogoslovskaya, yesterday, however, she left this party like some other deputies.
    1. +12
      2 December 2013 07: 29
      Quote: MG42
      Yesterday, however, she left this party like some other deputies.

      Yeah, the rats ran from the sinking ship laughing
      1. MG42
        +2
        2 December 2013 07: 38
        In PR there was a strict discipline, yesterday several. deputies wrote a statement to withdraw from the faction further promise even more, thus the pro-government majority in the Rada may cease to exist and the state of emergency will be problematic to introduce

        This video was shot on the night of December 1 to 2. But for the second night in a row, after the dispersal of the Euromaidan at dawn on November 30, people huddle in the Mikhailovsky Cathedral of the monastery. In the courtyard of the cathedral they feed and provide medical care.
        1. +5
          2 December 2013 08: 02
          Quote: MG42
          Yesterday deputies wrote a statement to withdraw from the faction further promise even more, thus the pro-government majority in the Rada may cease to exist and the state of emergency will be problematic to introduce

          These will come out - others will come in (in Ukraine, like in our country a mixed system, that is, majority and proportional electoral systems), and they will be forced to give money for elections ...
          1. MG42
            +6
            2 December 2013 08: 33
            This is what we call "Tushki" about the deputies, not to be confused with the "titushki" these are gopnik-athletes, migrant workers. In short, the merry yolka will be for the New Year.
            1. +7
              2 December 2013 08: 40
              Quote: MG42
              In short, the fun yolka will be for the New Year.

              What a tree, it has already been dismantled into barricades.
              1. MG42
                -10
                2 December 2013 08: 48
                This is a message for Yanukovych from a child from Mikhailovskaya Square the morning after the dispersal
                1. +33
                  2 December 2013 09: 05
                  But to lead the children there, this is already zapadlo. Immediately hide the skin from dad-mom tear up the freaks, freaks! Butut then nits yell that special forces beat.
                  1. MG42
                    +3
                    2 December 2013 09: 19
                    Special Forces did not attack Mikhailovskaya Square.
                    1. +13
                      2 December 2013 09: 50
                      Special Forces did not attack Mikhailovskaya Square.
                      What's the difference! To take children to such events is to deliberately put them at risk for the sake of a beautiful poster. These are not parents, these are tricks!
                      1. Platov
                        +7
                        2 December 2013 11: 40
                        Parents do not hide behind their children neither their own nor strangers. These are already sexual minorities.
                      2. +3
                        2 December 2013 14: 54
                        It seems to me that some of the parents realize that education is most effective only in the very early years ... And therefore, from an early age they introduce revolutionary ideas to children. This is a terrible danger for any state, not only Ukraine.
                  2. In the book
                    -12
                    2 December 2013 11: 20
                    Parents came with the child to a PEACE rally, not a war.
                    1. Hudo
                      +1
                      2 December 2013 11: 39
                      Quote: Libr
                      Parents came with the child to a PEACE rally, not a war.


                      Do you yourself even believe in what you just wrote? And in 2004, in order not to be dispersed by the dubbing of the then mayduning, schoolchildren were brought to the majdun. Or say this was not? And they brought them out consciously endangering children - it was not clear how it would end.
                      1. Hudo
                        +2
                        2 December 2013 12: 14
                        Who is there the truth about the children brought to the maydown in 2004 closed their eyes with swine lard?
                      2. Hudo
                        +4
                        2 December 2013 12: 28
                        As we quietly "minus", you will also hide behind children's backs.
                        the unwashed hutsul, putting a minus, the Euro-panic curtsy bent. laughing fool
                    2. +9
                      2 December 2013 11: 44
                      Quote: Libr
                      Parents came with the child to a PEACE rally, not a war.

                      Do they not watch TV, do not "rummage" on the network? Don't know what's going on there? They would have put themselves out, but with a child "smarter"! Scum!
                    3. +7
                      2 December 2013 12: 33
                      I’m not going to take my child to a peaceful rally, because it’s complete mudachism
                    4. Corneli
                      +13
                      2 December 2013 12: 57
                      Quote: Libr
                      Parents came with the child to a PEACE rally, not war

                      You can take it easy, but yesterday a 6-year-old girl who came with dad got lost right on the air ... they were looking for dad for an hour (I watched the opposition stream). Walking with a child in the thousands of uncontrollable crowd, thirsting for revolution, can be the current of the down!
                  3. +2
                    2 December 2013 12: 18
                    Really, you say it right. am
                  4. +6
                    2 December 2013 13: 09
                    Quote: Old_Kapitan
                    it's already zapadlo.


                    The website of the White House has already posted 11 petitions calling on the United States to intervene in the situation in Ukraine. Most of them appeared in the last few days.

                    In Sevastopol, they began collecting signatures under an appeal to the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin with a request to send troops to Ukraine in order to "save the country from American aggressors"
                  5. 0
                    3 December 2013 09: 16
                    Quote: Old_Kapitan
                    Immediately hide the skin from dad-mom tear up the freaks, freaks! Butut then nits yell that special forces beat.


                    I agree with you. Such parents are responsible.
                2. +5
                  2 December 2013 17: 59
                  Quote: MG42
                  This is a message for Yanukovych from a child from Mikhailovskaya Square the morning after the dispersal

                  Only, it wasn’t written by the children ...
              2. +1
                2 December 2013 11: 42
                I would participate in the discussion, but I want to talk more about military topics))) And not like last week. Regarding the Christmas tree - look on the net - there is one very interesting perspective there.

                Okay, do not remember me in the sou, mentally I'm with you)))
                http://carabaas.livejournal.com/12440131.html
                1. +5
                  2 December 2013 12: 20
                  Quote: Kars
                  Okay, do not remember me in the sou, mentally I'm with you)))

                  Kars, are you on maidan?
                  1. +1
                    2 December 2013 12: 24
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Kars, are you on maidan?

                    Lenya. I already felt good. But thank you for that and look at us Tyagnibok will become president.
                    1. Corneli
                      +10
                      2 December 2013 12: 59
                      Quote: Kars
                      Lenya. I already felt good. But thank you for that and look at us Tyagnibok will become president.

                      Yeah, all the more so yesterday at the Lenin monument his golden eagle fell in a lyuley. Looked, neighing with this. So he was losing an almost heroic victim.
                      1. a boat
                        -1
                        2 December 2013 17: 07
                        give a video! I want to laugh too and guys to please
                      2. Corneli
                        +1
                        3 December 2013 01: 42
                        Quote: gych
                        give a video! I want to laugh too and guys to please

                        Look, until you rub ... more sedin a lot of things on yesterday’s links on YouTube are dumb)
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DnYC-RMjNw
                        Vidos not from the beginning, the topic with "freedom" somewhere from 8 minutes ... and alas and ah ... there was clowning further ... the golden eagle left, tried to interview a tipk who allegedly "negotiated" with them at the moment " interview "the blue Zapadensky body crawled, began to interrupt and ask to beat off Lenin's fish soup and nose). No "aunts", no masks ... usual b ... lo, about 40 years old, with zapadenskoy promysh ...
                      3. -2
                        3 December 2013 09: 19
                        yes ... a herd of bread and a sight
                    2. +1
                      2 December 2013 13: 11
                      Quote: Kars
                      and look at us Tyagnibok will become president.



                      On November 29, a petition calling for sanctions against Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych for Kiev's suspension of preparations for signing an association agreement with the EU gathered more than 100 votes on the White House website and was submitted to the American administration.
                    3. +9
                      2 December 2013 13: 30
                      Quote: Kars
                      . but thank you for that and look at us Tyagnibok will become president.

                      Hahahaa, if he becomes president, you will be sent to the trenches on the eastern front. And you knowing that South-Eastern Military District has already been re-equipped, you will swear Tyagnibok and the whole maidan, covering your head with your hands when you approach another Iskander wassat
                      1. +2
                        2 December 2013 14: 06
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Hahahaa if he becomes president

                        Your efforts. Who said Putin calculated everything?
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        You’ll be sent to the trenches on the eastern front. And you knowing that

                        I hope there will be a T-90?
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        covering his head with his hands when approaching another Iskander

                        The next one, “how many of them do you have?” And to shoot Iskander in the infantry is cool.

                        You mean if you write that these are your provocations. It would be better to write to me in drugs.
                      2. +3
                        2 December 2013 14: 33
                        Quote: Kars
                        Who said Putin calculated everything?

                        And I, including, I also said that this is the beginning of the end of the Ukraine project. This is the end in any situation. First, chaos, and then ... wink
                        Quote: Kars
                        I hope there will be a T-90?

                        And then, you can make new pictures, well, unless of course they are allowed by the convoys who will drive you to Siberia with their hands up laughing
                        Quote: Kars
                        ? And on infantry to shoot Iskander is cool.

                        Duc acre infantry you have nothing left, what are we now in vain Iskander bought. winked
                        Quote: Kars
                        I. It would be better to write to me in drugs

                        As you say the boss soldier
                      3. +1
                        2 December 2013 14: 44
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And including me, and I also said that this is the beginning of the end of the project for Ukraine. This is the end in any situation. First, chaos, and then.

                        Do you think Putin is to blame for everything? We’ll write it down. You won’t wait for chaos.
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And then, you can make new photos

                        RPG-26 try.
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Duc acre infantry you have nothing left, what are we now in vain Iskander bought.

                        Well then, I’m completely calm for myself. It’s a pity that you didn’t voice the number of Iskanders.
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        As you say the boss

                        Well, you don’t forget the main thing.
                      4. +1
                        2 December 2013 14: 55
                        Quote: Kars
                        . Here only chaos you will not wait.

                        Honestly, I didn’t understand why Putin is guilty of throwing bricks with your golden eagle.
                        Quote: Kars
                        RPG-26 try.

                        Hmm, I don’t know. Actually, the prisoners are not supposed to laughing
                        Quote: Kars
                        Though it’s a pity that you did not announce the number of Iskanders.

                        I don’t know, but if there aren’t enough iskanders, then there’s a lot more. Saakashvilli is responsible for the bazaar, gives a tooth wink
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, you don’t forget the main thing.

                        But sho write that, Yanukovych has not yet been overthrown. They sit there on maidan rolls crumple angry
                      5. +2
                        2 December 2013 15: 08
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Honestly, I didn’t understand why Putin is to blame.

                        Well this is not surprising.
                        Quote: Kars
                        Your efforts. Who said Putin calculated everything?

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And I, including, I also said that this is the beginning of the end of the Ukraine project. This is the end in any situation. First, chaos, and then ...

                        Can you conclude?
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Hmm, I don’t know. Actually, the prisoners are not supposed to
                        Well do not know.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I don’t know, but if there aren’t enough iskanders, then there’s a lot more. Saakashvilli is responsible for the bazaar, gives a tooth

                        No, I don’t agree on anything else, I said the Iskander, it means the Iskander. And you have less than 100 pieces, and you’ve more than 50 (namely missiles)
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        But sho write that, Yanukovych has not yet been overthrown. They sit there on maidan rolls crumple

                        Do not forget that you provoked me to continue the conversation.
                      6. 0
                        2 December 2013 15: 29
                        Quote: Kars
                        Can you conclude?

                        Yeah, Ukraine is in limbo, what will happen next, you can bet wink
                        Quote: Kars
                        . And you have less than 100 pieces, and they’ve snapped more than 50 (namely missiles)

                        Ah, well then it’s enough. I thought about 10 pieces, but it’s like that.
                        Quote: Kars
                        Do not forget that you provoked me to continue the conversation.

                        Ah, so you're leaning back from the zone from the ban, you think again banned. belay Yes, we are with you in the framework, we do not call each other's mother laughing
                      7. +1
                        2 December 2013 15: 33
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Yeah, Ukraine is in limbo, what will happen next, you can bet

                        What yes then yes.
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Ah, well then it’s enough. I thought about 10 pieces, but it’s like that.

                        For the infantry? Not enough.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        do not call each other's mother

                        I’ll be hopeful. I have never called my mother before.
                      8. +1
                        2 December 2013 17: 02
                        Quote: Kars
                        For the infantry? Not enough.

                        Yes there is something to add.
                        Quote: Kars
                        I hadn’t called my mother before.

                        Yes, I'm so figurative hi
                      9. +2
                        2 December 2013 17: 06
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Yes there is something to add.

                        But I except for Iskander disagree on anything else. Iskander is so iskander.
                2. +5
                  2 December 2013 14: 17
                  Quote: Kars
                  I would take part in the discussion but want to talk more in military topics


                  Information warfare is currently the highest form of military development. So you can get full pleasure on the topics discussed. With a clear conscience.
                  1. +4
                    2 December 2013 14: 25
                    Quote: kosopuz
                    I am the highest form of military development. So you can have complete pleasure on the topics discussed.

                    Become the local Administrator and then we'll talk.
                    1. 0
                      3 December 2013 00: 36
                      Quote: Kars
                      Become the local Administrator and then we'll talk.


                      And before the local administrator snout did not come out?
                      1. +4
                        3 December 2013 00: 41
                        Quote: kosopuz
                        And before the local administrator snout did not come out?

                        As for the physiognomy of the face, I don’t know, but they didn’t come up with the opportunity to limit communication.
                        Quote: kosopuz
                        Full name:
                        Group: Visitors
    2. +4
      2 December 2013 20: 20
      Quote: MG42
      An interesting video about Yanukovych says his companion in the Party of Regions, Inna Bogoslovskaya, yesterday, however, she left this party like some other deputies.

      And before that, was on vacation for an extraordinary pregnancy?

      PS
      Sorry ....
      Alexander turned out to be keener - he had previously commented. Thank.
  4. +14
    2 December 2013 07: 36
    And the nickname the other day at the Eurosummit gave a tie. What is it for? wink
    1. slvevg
      +2
      2 December 2013 11: 16
      so it’s a chain dog ... that’s why they gave us a European collar.
    2. +2
      2 December 2013 12: 22
      Yeah! It will be hard, eats! laughing
    3. a boat
      +1
      2 December 2013 17: 13
      let the ketchup capture, so that in the dryer then not dovitsa
      1. +1
        2 December 2013 17: 19
        Quote: gych
        let the ketchup capture, so that in the dryer then not dovitsa

        And he is under the gorilochka
  5. +36
    2 December 2013 07: 41
    However, for a long time you can deceive only those who are glad to be deceived ...
    And there are enough of them - the maydauns on the Ukrainian land have not died out ... Yesterday I watched TV all day. Mostly razvlekuhu, but also looked at the Maidans. Himself go there to freeze the eggs, thank you, but from the outside they will be surprised at the stupidity of individual Ukrainian individuals ... The grandmother speaks. On the good - it's time to think about square meters in the nearest churchyard, and it seems she understands this, yells that she wants her children and grandchildren to live in Europe. I just want to shout: "Fool! What kind of Europe? Your grandchildren will live in Uraine, in Ukraine! And the worse you live, the longer you beat here and there. Have you forgotten 204? And to Europe - it is please, urinals and the Turks did not disassemble the toilet bowls. " The next one is a jerk of 18-20 years old. It doesn't know anything yet, hasn't done anything in life, but in the same place - away from the colonial yoke, from the Russian occupation. And to ask - what year were you born, humanoid? What do you know about THAT occupation? When I, a rural boy, entered the university and received an increased scholarship. But in order to learn a smart daughter with "nezalezhnost", I had to take loans and borrow from friends ... How do you like this occupation?
    And that is characteristic, 80-90% of the Maidan are snotty and old-fashioned. People of my age very rarely flickered: we are not up to tom toms, we are on Monday to work ...
    1. +3
      2 December 2013 09: 19
      Yes people ..... being driven on western tales like flies on g ... jam recourse RIA Novosti no longer works for us (they fell after an unexpected doc attack) and many information sites, but in Europe they already say that the war for Ukraine has not been lost. Information war.
    2. slvevg
      -1
      2 December 2013 11: 19
      Well done, wise captain. drinks
    3. +5
      2 December 2013 14: 20
      Quote: Old_Kapitan
      And there are enough of them - the maydauns are not yet extinct on the Ukrainian land ...

      Without any double bottom and without any thought about joke in your direction. Honestly - a purely logical conclusion from the observations of the events in Russia and Ukraine.
      In general, I came to the conclusion that the central government moved from Kiev to Moscow, not only as a result of external historical conflicts. This was determined genetically: when the mass migration of the Russian people to the East European Plain went, the best part of the people went there, and not only the most passive, but also the most dull part remained in the Carpathian region.
      In Russia there was also a clouding of brains in 91. More precisely in Moscow, where all the trash from all over the Soviet Union was collected. However, the repeated attempts of the democrats in Russia turned into swampy swamp. The people did not lead.
      And in Ukraine, taking into account 91 of the year, the crowd is pecking at the same snag for the third time in a row. This is what
      stupid need to be?
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    1. +5
      2 December 2013 08: 04
      Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
      Klitschko then where it climbs? ..

      Yes, back in 2004, he attached an orange ribbon to his underpants in a ring. Here Ukrainians have such a choice, either for orange or blue wassat
      1. +4
        2 December 2013 08: 27
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, he back in 2004 attached an orange ribbon to his underpants, which is the choice of Ukrainians, either for orange or for pigeons

        Klitschko mail on 22.11.13/XNUMX/XNUMX broke. Very interesting reading. Most popular comment after posting the correspondence: "Thank you for not being Gay!"
        1. +4
          2 December 2013 08: 39
          Quote: ATATA
          "Thanks for not being Gay!"

          But in the light of his pictures with his brother, where they are both in Adam’s costumes, but I’m not sure that it’s not GAY laughing
          1. +2
            2 December 2013 11: 54
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            But in the light of his pictures with his brother, where they are both in Adam’s costumes, but I’m not sure that it’s not GAY

            Yes, the pictures are credited in certain circles. laughing
            But in the mail they did not find defamatory correspondence.
            1. Hudo
              +3
              2 December 2013 11: 59
              Quote: ATATA
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              But in the light of his pictures with his brother, where they are both in Adam’s costumes, but I’m not sure that it’s not GAY

              Yes, the pictures are credited in certain circles. laughing
              But in the mail they did not find defamatory correspondence.

              So not shove them in the mail, so they did not find the census there.
      2. +4
        2 December 2013 08: 48
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Here is a choice for Ukrainians, either for orange or for blue wassat

        Yes Nicknames, they are two in one, and orange, and blue at the same time.
      3. 0
        2 December 2013 12: 23
        What, one of two things! There is no third. laughing
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    1. +11
      2 December 2013 08: 33
      good The process is on.
      1. +8
        2 December 2013 08: 52
        Or so. Patriotic. smile
        1. +6
          2 December 2013 08: 54
          Here is the same nothing for real democracy.
          1. 0
            2 December 2013 08: 54
            And it will turn out like this.
  9. +5
    2 December 2013 08: 11
    History teaches us nothing !!
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  12. serg1507
    +7
    2 December 2013 08: 23
    Deputy of the Sevastopol City Council from the PR Sergei Smolyaninov began collecting signatures under an appeal to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a request to send troops to Ukraine. The appeal was posted on the Sevastopol Veche website, newsoboz.org reports. with a link to gazeta.ua.
    1. +2
      2 December 2013 08: 38
      Quote: serg1507
      Deputy of the Sevastopol City Council from PR Sergey Smolyaninov began collecting signatures under an appeal to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a request to send troops to Ukraine

      Ohhh, and life is becoming more fun. wassat
      1. Nika
        +3
        2 December 2013 11: 09
        "More fun" - this is when "A new petition appeared on the White House website for the intervention of the US Army in the political process in Ukraine. This is the third petition on the Site in a week that concerns political processes in Ukraine." (from)
        Here it is, what would their ... nezalezhnost!
    2. MG42
      +7
      2 December 2013 08: 41
      In Sevastopol, and so is the Black Sea Fleet.
      Meanwhile, on the Maidan began to install tents yesterday. The history of 2004 is repeating itself.
      1. +2
        2 December 2013 08: 53
        Quote: MG42
        2004 year history repeats itself


        then it seemed to be warmer, and since all the adversaries about our winter house broke their appetites more than once - last year Kiev was completely covered with snow - they cleaned the snow with armored vehicles ...
        Although it will be funny when they start throwing snowballs at Berkut ...
        1. MG42
          +2
          2 December 2013 09: 05
          Quote: APES
          then it seemed to be warmer, and so all the adversaries broke our appetites for our winter more than once

          How can I say photo Maidan 2004 >>
          1. 0
            2 December 2013 09: 09
            from November 22 2004 years to January 2005 years

            I forgot, but it was still warmer then ...... bully
            1. MG42
              +5
              2 December 2013 09: 13
              Yesterday it was plus 4 degrees.
              1. Corneli
                +3
                2 December 2013 13: 10
                Quote: MG42
                Yesterday it was plus 4 degrees.

                It is urgent to call shamans and sorcerers, a week of rain of 1-4 degrees Celsius will save Ukraine from the Maidan) And you won’t need a golden eagle ...
              2. MG42
                +4
                2 December 2013 20: 15
                Quote: MG42
                Yesterday it was plus 4 degrees

                This is probably my only comment that no one minus today laughing
                even a simple video without sound comments reaction, okay, we will without video = who seeks will always find. Search and find! .. hi
            2. Corneli
              +2
              2 December 2013 13: 08
              Quote: APES
              from November 22 2004 years to January 2005 years

              I forgot, but it was still warmer then ...... bully

              Come on, directly, after the "rigged" elections, when Yanyk won (2004) and, in fact, the main rallies took place for a week, on the Maidan, it was 15-20 degrees below zero.
              I remember this sincerely, because after work I met my younger colleagues who were blue (there weren’t any drunk on the Maidan, although I personally know about 10 laughing) went there to "hang out" in the evening. So I got my sight from them into that dubar.
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  13. +5
    2 December 2013 08: 26
    This maidown has already been so sickened, as I can see so already in the very language, Ukraine ce Europe hangs laughing
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  15. Captain Vrungel
    -12
    2 December 2013 08: 30
    People! If you feed on information from ORT, RTR, then it doesn't smell like the truth. All of Ukraine rose up against the criminal, corrupt regime of Yanukovych. The performances are peaceful. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. on the streets not hundreds, but 1mil.600 thousand. With one motto "Get out gang". The "titushki" of the regionals and the scumbags of Korchinsky arrange provocations with the aim of a bloody massacre and the introduction of an emergency. On the march to Kiev, there are police units, the Kharkiv Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, a railway station was recorded. composition with armored vehicles, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, self-propelled guns. The cowardly guarantor will not climb out of Mezhyhirya. They caught up with militia fighters. We blocked the highway with equipment and hedgehogs. Azarov rushed to Moscow, beg for something. The black-mouthed mouthpieces of the regionals, political prostitutes like Bogoslovskaya, Zhvania, and others unanimously drop party cards and run across to the protesters on the Maidan with loud statements that provocations are planned and the provocateurs are financed by the presidential administration. Putin once several times in advance, congratulated Yanukovych on the victory, and he lost. And this time he hurried. The godfather will lose with dishonor and shame. He has already gone down in history as the hetman of thieves, an illiterate jester and another Mazepa. It's time to end with the presidential states, well, historically, it is not given to us to live with hetmans and presidents, to create a parliamentary republic, where the members of parliament themselves will watch each other so that they no longer steal.
    But the whole tragedy of Ukraine is that once again the opposition is not ready and has no plans. The people are practically left to their own devices. There is no leader capable of correctly leading the people.
    And please do not get information from one source. Basically you are military people, you know what the collection, study and synthesis of data on the situation is. Analysis, conclusions, picture.
    1. +12
      2 December 2013 08: 37
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      . Performances are peaceful.

      This is your channel, what does ORT have to do with it? Yesterday there was a live broadcast on YouTube, everything was filmed by your own opposition. Http: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = uZtwFH4uKxk & feature = youtube_gdata
      So, no need to lie! The whole world saw golden eagles stoned.
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      "Titushki" regionals and thugs of Korchinsky arrange provocations with the aim of bloody massacre and introduction of state of emergency

      They arrived from Lvov. Listen, and your surname is not Tyagnibok, he said this yesterday.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        -10
        2 December 2013 09: 36
        You On one episode do not draw conclusions. You can only pull phrases out of context. We have freedom of speech and people express their opinions. We have independent media. You stopped dreaming about it. You have a democracy, but Putin’s, one-sided. Our boor tried to copy Putin, the result on the Maidan. Crush the Maidan by force, as your supporters advise. Enter your army. And what will it be called. You, like that literary hero, see here, but I don’t see here, I hear here, but I don’t hear here. I see and hear only what I want. If a person’s opinion does not agree with yours, then he is a tynebok, a nationalist, a fascist, a Nazi.
        You saw how the golden eagle was throwing stones at their "titushki". You did not see how Poroshenko removed the rotozei from the Maidan from the "titushki" and these provocateurs rushed into a fight with the participants, taking out knives, armature. Poked Poroshenko's assistant with a knife and disappeared into the night, and the golden eagle thrashed not the provocateurs with his legs and clubs, but just the people. I'm not a nationalist. I can draw conclusions myself from what is happening, and not chew the noodles that they hang on my ears. No need to hang labels on me. You can also hang on to more than one. Cons to me, this is an indicator. That there can be no one opinion. That we are still thinking people, not biomass, what your and our rulers dream about.
        1. +9
          2 December 2013 09: 51
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          You can only pull phrases out of context

          Well, you’ll have a conscience, he said it live on air yesterday. There are a lot of people from Ukraine, who are you rubbing here?
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          We have independent media. You stopped dreaming about it. You have a democracy, but Putin’s, one-sided.

          God forbid us, such a democracy as in Ukraine.
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Our boor tried to copy Putin

          Hahaha wassat
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          You saw how the golden eagle was throwing stones at their "titushki".

          Well, who else, naturally, that they were provocateurs from the authorities, but this is also a title from the authorities, or how do you understand this?Head of the Batkivshchyna party headquarters, Alexander Turchinov, calls for blocking all administrative buildings in Kiev from 6 a.m.http://news.mail.ru/inworld/ukraina/global/112/politics/15900239/ Тоже ложь или мы его не правильно поняли,вырвали слова из контекста да? wink
        2. korben
          -10
          2 December 2013 11: 08
          Vrungel, I support you completely! The people stood up against Yanukovych and his gang! I watched Russian media about dispersal on the night of November 30 - provocateurs provoked law enforcement agencies and that’s it! The whole world shows atrocities, and there is only provocation or individual excerpts for the sake of one side!
          1. Captain Vrungel
            +1
            2 December 2013 13: 16
            Korben! People on the site do not want to understand that the people of Ukraine have united in a single civil union and declared an indefinite strike not for the sake of the EU, but against Yanukovych and his corrupt gangster power. You can’t live like that. Ukraine has not yet seen such a mass performance. But for many on this site, the civil maidan against the boor and his codes is a red rag for the bull. All those who support the people of Ukraine in their speech against corrupt gangster power that are overbought or caught on compromise by Putin, automatically become Bandera, nationalists, and even tyagniboks. Time will tell who is right. But the gang of Yanukovych should be driven unambiguously. Boycott, ignore, block, but without the use of force. The demonstration of power is the lot of the weak and flawed. Romanov! There is no need to exaggerate, to see only what is profitable and to wear blinkers on people so that they do not look around, are not afraid to see what is under their own tail.
            1. Corneli
              +10
              2 December 2013 13: 54
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              All those who support the people of Ukraine in their speech against corrupt gangster power that are overbought or caught on compromise by Putin, automatically become Bandera, nationalists, and even tyagniboks. Time will tell who is right. But the gang of Yanukovych should be driven unambiguously. Boycott, ignore, block, but without the use of force.

              All this sounds beautiful and wonderful, but what's next? ...
              And so, a non-urgent strike, blocking of the national bank, AP, KM and other structures - it will only have a "positive" effect on both the economy of our country and the hryvnia exchange rate.
              2. The resignation of villains and early elections (a year for the guys to wait broke, the more they can blow it, but a "wave"). In the budget, from somewhere came a lot of muliens for these very elections (I really have not heard about this, but does it really bother the "Revolutionaries"). Again, even if everything goes well and in a short time, the "new" government will start functioning in 3 months. Where will it take after this circus at least SOME money? I personally am at a loss in conjecture.
              3. Julia (who should be released) and Yatsenyuk have already "ruled" from 2004 to 2010 - why are they better than Yanyk? In Tyagnibok and Klitschko, as advanced economists, I hardly believe. In the Verkhovna Rada will sit the same individuals as schA 90 percent. In fact, nifiga inside the country will not change, only there will be a lot of shouting about the EU and dust in the eyes ... And in six months it will turn out that we have a default.
              So what is the meaning of the Maidan now? Those who stand there are mostly enemies themselves. The benefit of their actions is to bring the opposition to the trough and finish off, finally and so on, the breathing economy and budget. When those students and retirees stop giving pensions and scholarships, they can only blame themselves!
              1. Captain Vrungel
                0
                2 December 2013 15: 58
                Maybe someone agrees to take off his trousers, stand in the "grandmother in the garden" pose, generously lather the scupper for feces and crawl with ready anal sex under the regional.
                Such a mass of rising people will sweep away this pakhanat sabbath. The golden eagle can't hold out on the batons for a long time, but it's scary on the bayonets. There is a high probability that the ardent love of the army and the soldiers of the Internal Troops for the "guarantor" will duplicate the Romanian events with the Janushescu under the fence.
                The cowardice of power, before the eyes. The guarantor lurked, the Council fled, the Cabinet in the catacombs from the 29th. Once in the country such a situation, they had 30 to get together and go out to the people. Now they are waiting, maybe Putin will help a dozen divisions to install Yolki on the Maidan.
                Down with this pack, living not by laws, but by concepts.
                1. Cat
                  +3
                  2 December 2013 16: 23
                  Quote: Captain Vrungel
                  The cowardice of power, before the eyes. The guarantor lurked, the Council fled, the Cabinet in the catacombs from the 29th. Once in the country such a situation, they had 30 to get together and go out to the people. Now they are waiting, maybe Putin will help a dozen divisions to install Yolki on the Maidan.
                  Down with this pack, living not by laws, but by concepts.

                  And to whom, in fact, to go out, what to talk about?
                  Those who are maydauns - they were called that for a reason, they really have brains and considerations - that ... I talked with some, they have one answer to all questions: "abroad will help us", "get the gang", and others similar truths. But to explain, at least at the level of "household economy", how the signing of the Agreement will improve our life - none of the Maydauns can, and does not want to. As well as can not explain - where and when they personally crossed with the "bandits". You, Pan Vrungel, did not answer this question in the next topic either (when you talked about the "conscious" choice of your children).
                  Because - is it sense for Yanukovych and the company to go out to these so-called "people"? Is that an extra portion of swear words addressed to you.

                  And what is most interesting: if Yanukovych foolishly signs the Agreement, and fulfills all the requirements of the EU-IMF, there will be Maidan again, with the same persons in the main roles, and with the same slogans. Only the reason will no longer be a refusal of eurointegration, but an increase in prices for communal services, a cut in salaries, etc. And of course, "evil vlada" will be guilty of this.
                  1. +4
                    2 December 2013 17: 09
                    Quote: Cat
                    And what is most interesting: if Yanukovych foolishly signs the Agreement, and fulfills all the requirements of the EU-IMF, there will be Maidan again, with the same persons in the main roles, and with the same slogans. Only the reason will no longer be a refusal of eurointegration, but an increase in prices for communal services, a cut in salaries, etc. And of course, "evil vlada" will be guilty of this.

                    TRUE! And it seems to me the most correct option for Yanukovych at the moment. This will stop the butch, and also after a year or two sober Ukrainians.
                    In all other cases - a revolution! Then, too, there will be a revolution ...... but then, and Yanyk will gain time and maybe not allow this revolution, especially since he is not used to turning his ass.
                    And so Putin correctly said that we will meet with Ukraine anyway!
                    on my own I will add that this will happen either now .... but then "moscow" will always be to blame for everything, or in 2-3 years, but then the same "moscow and li" will be brothers
                    1. -2
                      2 December 2013 17: 50
                      Frantically plyusuyu!
                2. stranik72
                  +1
                  2 December 2013 21: 25
                  "There is a high probability that the ardent love of the army and the soldiers of the Internal Troops for the" guarantor "will duplicate the Romanian events with the Janushescu under the fence."
                  And you turn out to be an uncle and the truth is not adequate, without trial and investigation, after which the judge committed suicide. Do not even dream rather like you and your brothers Bandera will rot in the caches and the people of Ukraine will figure out who this "pakhan's Sabbath" really is. As for Putin and Russia, I think they will sort it out without us.
                3. Genera
                  0
                  3 December 2013 08: 27
                  And who will you put after, Klitschko or what? This and without extras will scatter you from the new Maidan will, the benefit of his health allows. And he will still have time to swing his German passport, a la, but to me ... I'm a German citizen.
            2. Genera
              0
              3 December 2013 08: 21
              Again, not certainty. And where were you before when Yanuk sang on the last Maidan. It turns out from what went to and came. Makes me think.....
        3. +12
          2 December 2013 11: 58
          well ... well, it’s a golden eagle that put a crowbar and picked out stones from the sidewalks ....... and another .... the supplies for five minutes to the militants are very good, there are unloading and gas, most likely there are weapons , but there was still no team to use ..... and the action was skillfully coordinated .... it’s clear that the hooligans were trained, each link has its own commander, long and carefully - it doesn’t look like popular anger ...... but it’s very similar to a well-planned, prepared action! Poland pays, the United States at the embassy gives out instructions ...... is this popular discontent? ..... Yanukovych is mu..lo, and his thieves’s power is corrupt ..... well, and Poland from the USA, and where does it?

          This is not the opposition, this is not the people's will, this is not the people's anger! These are scumbags! Bought by the West and the USA, grown by Natsik. For comparison, in Syria, too, the popular will was? Yanukovych thief, Assad is a bloody dictator ???

          Today they indulge in gas sprays and stones, and tomorrow they get indignant at the guns ...... it’s better today to cut their heads with batons than to bury tomorrow babies nailed to the trees for tongues in the name of free Ukraine
          1. +1
            2 December 2013 13: 14
            Quote: JonnyT
            The United States at the embassy distributes its instructions ...


            The website of the White House has already posted 11 petitions calling on the United States to intervene in the situation in Ukraine. Most of them appeared in the last few days.
        4. +3
          2 December 2013 12: 06
          They threw stones with pebbles ..... yes svo.lo chi and provocateurs ... first they throw stones at Berkut, then they shout from their foreheads _ Democracy is in danger ......... Yes, it's time you already understand that in the geyrope will not be freebie even more so, but Yanukovych, Timoshka, Putin are the same for everyone ,,,,,,, But there is, there is something other than rulers and the thieves of the supreme ......... Eyes open gentlemen comrades
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        6. +2
          2 December 2013 12: 36
          There is no independent media! The one who pays calls the tune. And you can come up with any name. Everything "independent" comes to us from beyond the hillock. On the fence the same is written, and instead of a hole - bitches.
        7. 0
          2 December 2013 23: 53
          You saw how the golden eagle was throwing stones at their "titushki".
          Have you seen how the Maydauns were soaked by their "titushki". Do you believe us? - No! - Well, in vain, After all, Vrungel never lies! It is clear. Chorus: Soviet circus and all in orange shorts ...
        8. Genera
          0
          3 December 2013 08: 19
          You then decide why you went on the Maidan. To overthrow Yanuka or to join the EU. And it turns out, and you're still trying to sit on two chairs.
    2. +10
      2 December 2013 09: 09
      I eat exclusively the most honest 5 channel, Pogue 1-th national, STB, NTN. So don’t trick your grandmother here, Mr. Vrungel.
    3. +7
      2 December 2013 09: 25
      So hang noodles on ears. Provocateur. Then 20-year-old fools seize the city hall buildings and get a real term or worse.
    4. +16
      2 December 2013 09: 44
      Do you really consider us rogue? We have more than 100 channels for your information in Russia, including Euronews, and the Internet is everywhere, even in Siberia :-) And believe me, there is no more censorship, and no less freedom of speech than in Ukraine.
      1. +12
        2 December 2013 09: 58
        And believe censorship no more, and freedom of speech no less than in Ukraine.
        In addition, the Internet allows you to read various sources and include your own brains.
    5. +11
      2 December 2013 10: 08
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      not hundreds on the streets, but 1 mil. 600 thousand


      The population of Kiev as of 1.07.2013: 2 847 310 people
      as of the census of 2010 of the year is 2 628 800 people

      those. every second? Or did everyone come from Europe?
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    7. +2
      2 December 2013 12: 27
      And that Yushchenko was not criminal? belay recourse
    8. +4
      2 December 2013 12: 53
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      People! If you eat information from ORT, RTR then it is true and does not smell close. All Ukraine rose against the criminal, corrupt regime of Yanukovych. Performances are peaceful.


      You know, I watched one of your channels for 4 hours yesterday, as I remember, I broadcast through YouTube.
      They just made direct broadcasts from Kiev, interviewed people on the street .... in general, only information, did not draw any conclusions.
      Then he watched the news on ORT and RTR, there was just a Sunday evening with Soloviev. So here ..... Russian channels are telling the truth! I was convinced of this!

      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. on the streets not hundreds, but 1mil.600 thousand. With one motto "Get out gang".


      Yeah, it’s not so, but what about the capture of the building of the trade unions in which your trinity arranged the headquarters? By the way, on the same kaknalu they made a direct inclusion when one of this trinity (the one who has a bald shag in glasses) voiced the requirements, the main requirement was the signing of the association with the EU !!!

      So do not watch Ukrainian state channels, it’s better to watch ORT and RTR, there is more truth
    9. Corneli
      +6
      2 December 2013 13: 24
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      People! If you eat information from ORT, RTR then it is true and does not smell close.

      Chu, I watched yesterday almost the whole day non-stop opposition stream from YouTube. So, about the info you wrote below:
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      All Ukraine rose against the criminal, corrupt regime of Yanukovych.

      Well, yes, only in Kiev about 100 thousand zapadentsev brought. In most parts of Ukraine, yesterday, rallies were from 150 (Crimea) to 2 thousand people (Zhytomer). At 22.00 in Kharkov, for example, there was NOT ONE protester in the square. We hung out either in Kiev (where they almost brought everyone) or Ternopil, Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk (there were 10 thousand each)
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. on the streets are not hundreds, but 1 mil. 600 thousand

      According to him, there were 40 thousand.) The fantastic figure of 1,6 million (which would not physically fit into the city center) was taken from "an unknown source (anonymous) who spied this figure in the reports of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for internal use") What a terrible infa, as well as the source.
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      Peaceful Performances

      The Department of Health of the Kyiv City State Administration informed that as of 21.00 p.m., 112 injured protesters, taking place today in the center of the capital, turned to doctors of emergency medical teams. Of these, 42 were hospitalized.
      Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, press service: “The number of hospitalized law enforcement officers has so far amounted to 53 people. In total, almost 120 employees of the internal affairs bodies have already requested help »

      And the costumes ala Robocop did not help, from the "peaceful" demonstrators.
    10. Corneli
      +7
      2 December 2013 13: 40
      Continued ...
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      With one motto "Get out gang". The "titushki" of the regionals and the scumbags of Korchinsky arrange provocations with the aim of a bloody massacre and the introduction of an emergency.

      For example, who broke the house of trade unions and the Kyiv City State Administration (in the same outfits as the "titushki") and why Tyagnibok said that it was "Svoboda" that seized them? We watched the filming and interviews with the AP, there were a lot of people, without any masks, who specifically said who they were and why they were storming (and these were not Korchinsky's fighters at all, and there were hundreds of them) And in general, how many "provocateurs" there were - 300 declared, a thousand , 2 thousand? In theory, after 4 hours of assault on the accident, they were supposed to end, but who then stormed the Lenin monument?
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      On the march to Kiev there are police units, the Kharkov Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, railway composition with armored vehicles BTR, BMP, self-propelled guns.

      LOL. On the same opposition stream, the academy and all the main railway control points near Kiev were checked at 11 o'clock, and none of the above was found!) (Although they were looking for it very much). We checked the airports where, according to the same "reliable data," the Russian "Vityaz" landed and a couple of other places where the Russian OMON, tanks and infantry fighting vehicles were supposed to be laughing The sensation, however, also did not work (apparently the Russian troops were very skillfully hiding) fellow
      Quote: Captain Vrungel
      A cowardly guarantor does not come out from Mezhyhirya. Caught up with police militants. They blocked the highway with equipment and hedgehogs.

      He seemed to be standard in the evenings in the evenings (if it was Kiev in the afternoon), I don’t see anything surprising in this. Oh yeah, I watched again the video of the opposition from the highway ... HERE !!!! !!!! EQUIPMENT !!! ??? (this is a pair of bogdans and 2 traffic police cars? lol ) And the notorious "militia militants" ... well, there were 20 differently dressed mvdeshniks showed there, which is logical these "militants" are the regional militia)))
      Then comment on the broke, there are some emotions ... but according to your "facts" I kind of went through.
  16. +3
    2 December 2013 08: 31
    The stupidity of the government of Ukraine has crossed all permissible limits. Here you are not here, Ukraine is not Russia. I am sincerely convinced that students were beaten specially by order with the connivance of all politicians without exception, each of them pursued only his own selfish interests. Everything is classic. Otto von Bismarck “Revolutions are prepared by geniuses, romantics are made, and villains are used as fruits.” To consider Ukrainians and Russians as one people is an illusion. It is naive to think that Ukraine, having received help from Russia, which its elites will devour, and the right to vote in Eurasian integration institutions, will cease to look for a door with the words "exit". Here you need to look at our union well and think about yourself and your people.
    1. +1
      2 December 2013 12: 59
      Quote: os9165
      I am sincerely convinced that students were beaten specially by order with the connivance of all politicians without exception, each of them pursued only his own selfish interests.


      But what difference does it mean, especially if they seize buildings, run around the street with clubs, what to do with them?
      You don’t understand what’s going on at all? You have a revolution smoothly flowing into a civil war, trying to crank out! And here you are protecting 20 year old students. By the way, how long does it take to be an idiot to go to a rally where bandits with clubs stand, seize buildings ..... and then get in the face to yell that the cops are wrong and act on order!?
      1. +2
        2 December 2013 20: 45
        Let me remind you that at night from Friday to Saturday, two hundred people who were beaten by the "golden eagle" rushed to the Mikhailovsky Monastery for protection. So, when people began to knock on the gates of the monastery, the third person in the church hierarchy made the decision to let them in. Just the abbot was not at that moment. The monks did not wait for the highest will, people were immediately admitted. They immediately woke up the fraternity, which warmed tea, provided first aid (by the way, ambulances came several times to Mikhailovskaya for the wounded). Hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets the next day because it was obvious to them that the police should not beat unarmed citizens. This is important, not an association agreement. Serious bloody clashes in Ukraine were not all years of independence. Including because of this, at the very least, they endured Ukrainian politicians.
  17. +14
    2 December 2013 08: 38
    Quote: MG42
    In addition, the journalist managed to shoot a unique video on the phone as a special forces golden eagle right next to the presidential administration <work> as he did it there is in detail

    I am surprised that it is so tender and affectionate even after they were crushed by a bulldozer, thrown with cobblestones and "Molotov cocktails". am
    1. MG42
      +1
      6 December 2013 00: 09
      Quote: Garrin
      I am surprised that it is so gentle and affectionate and this, after they were crushed by a bulldozer, was thrown with cobblestones

      For statistics >> one still got more than others, if you count how many hits he received per minute of the video hitting the distribution, this is what got into the lens of course, in general, Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Zakharchenko was summoned tomorrow to the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine to give explanations.
      There is also a lot of other news, for example, the golden eagle today celebrates its 25th anniversary, the people's deputies decided to congratulate him immediately with 2 bills on dissolution.
      All the talks of the special forces during the dispersal of the Maidan got on the network, apparently they leaked their own, anyone can listen to it.
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  19. +9
    2 December 2013 08: 39
    Unfortunately, the fate of Ukraine was decided in America, and I guess in what way!
    The memory of Ukrainian traitors has taken root in Russia for a long time (and to a greater extent it is not very important that the media, films about the war, in which they talked about these "traitors to the motherland") contributed to this. But the paradox, there is Lviv - an absolutely nationalized subject, who boils for anyone, and even if you beat "Muscovite" - so even more so! ((
    My feeling is that America has already paid for the Lviv nationalists so that they "pile up to a heap" ...
    1. +1
      2 December 2013 11: 18
      Quote: Keeper
      Unfortunately, the fate of Ukraine decided in America


      it’s not so, now everything is decided by Putin, they wrote in Time, in Odessa and Donetsk they confirmed, in Kiev they did not understand yet
      1. +4
        2 December 2013 13: 03
        Quote: APES
        it’s not so, now everything is decided by Putin, they wrote in Time, in Odessa and Donetsk they confirmed, in Kiev they did not understand yet

        Lord ....... yes, you already leave me behind Russia and Putin, what makes you so hot? They told you to figure it out yourself!
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  20. +2
    2 December 2013 08: 45
    The impudence of today's democratic lies is striking, especially after the “Snowden case” and “Assange”, secret CIA prisons, financial frauds of the largest Western banks and humanitarian bombing of many countries that have improved international law and the right to life of millions of people.


    And to them, shit-democrats, everything is one and the same as water from a goose. request
  21. +5
    2 December 2013 08: 47
    Thanks Victor!
    The main European and democratic value of “Europe”, along with the everlasting egoism and new-fangled homosexuality, continues to be the image of Russia as an “empire of evil”, which again began to be lovingly recreated at the Euro Summit in Vilnius. This is the cornerstone value on which all European democracy-demagogy rests, under the control of bureaucrats from Brussels.
    Indeed: on all sorts of political issues, the same Germans with the British speak through the lips, but when it comes to Russia, a rare unity is observed! And all sorts of sprats and gypsies out there are allowed to blather only in this topic.
  22. goldfinger
    +2
    2 December 2013 08: 58
    Yanukovych has forgotten the simple truth: "You cannot constantly deceive the whole people"! Sooner or later, this leads to revolutions, coups, uprisings, which is not good either for the people themselves or for the country as a whole! And the fault lies entirely with the leadership!
    Now everything depends on the opposition leaders, on their wisdom and foresight! And almost nothing depends on the president and the prime minister!
    But Ukraine has already realized that it is possible to defeat a gang of crooks and to cope in the future with the problems of building a just society!
    The people are the source of power, and today they do not want to see more crooks and thieves in the country's leadership!
    1. +3
      2 December 2013 09: 13
      Janek did not forget anything and the people did not understand anything (they do not want to see, but who would have done it), and Appazicia is our "swamp". Let's look at the elections.
    2. +3
      2 December 2013 11: 02
      Quote: goldfinger
      Now everything depends on the opposition leaders, on their wisdom and foresight! And almost nothing depends on the president and the prime minister!


      The wisdom and foresight of the fascists, hypocrites and traitors? Yes, they will bring a lot of happiness to Ukraine.

      Quote: goldfinger
      But Ukraine has already realized that it is possible to defeat a gang of crooks and to cope in the future with the problems of building a just society!


      If everything were so simple, then on the whole planet there would be no wars, no hunger, no poverty.
    3. +1
      2 December 2013 11: 16
      The "people" have already once brought the pockmarked to power. And what? Now "boxer", or some other "talent" will come to power. And he will live even "better".
    4. Fin
      +4
      2 December 2013 11: 30
      Quote: goldfinger
      But Ukraine has already realized that it is possible to defeat a gang of crooks and to cope in the future with the problems of building a just society!

      So once already managed. And 5 years they lived in a fair society, without crooks? Forward again on the same rake?
    5. +2
      2 December 2013 11: 53
      Quote: goldfinger

      Now everything depends on the opposition leaders, on their wisdom and foresight! And almost nothing depends on the president and the prime minister!

      You would flip through Ukrainian sites. There, even on the nationalist, these "leaders" have an extremely negative opinion
    6. Platov
      +4
      2 December 2013 12: 03
      The outskirts did not understand anything if they went to the Maidan. But the fact that someone else’s hands always seem to have more pie, and all this in their blood with mother’s milk, that’s what they proved.
  23. +12
    2 December 2013 08: 59
    Ukraine is the development of the Fritz from the First World War ... and now: the continuation of the plan of Dallas and the CIA to destroy the Slavs !!! and no one is protecting the people from these clouds of traitors, traitors and murderers !!! all the regimes in Ukraine are thieves and those that were the current countries climbing to the trough.
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  25. +9
    2 December 2013 09: 06
    It can be seen that most of the extras are old men, loafers and jerks ...... but the fighters are thugs prepared by the Natsiks ....... they provoke clashes ..... I am surprised by the position of the Ukrainian authorities, why are they tough do not prisyat this bl ... in? self-evident
  26. +4
    2 December 2013 09: 10
    Unfortunately, recent events convincingly show that Ukraine is a de facto colony of the European Union. The Ukrainian opposition, supported by an absolute majority of the media, is ready to comply with any order from Brussels. Most citizens with completely brainwashed are ready to sell a dash of soul for a coveted visa-free regime with the EU.
    The authorities are also controlled by the EU and cannot even defend themselves. Their only difference from the opposition is that they seek to sell the remnants of Ukraine’s economic and political independence a bit more expensive.
    Under these conditions, the conscious working people of Ukraine face the task of waging a national liberation struggle. The task is complicated by the fact that in Ukraine there are currently no political forces capable of waging it.
    The KPU is as impotent as our KPRF and only exploits the "brand" - the Communists.
    Russia, however, completely withdrew from Ukraine; there are no really significant pro-Russian forces in Ukraine.
    The current forecast for Ukraine is extremely unfavorable - "Gauleiter" Yanukovych, sick of everyone, will be replaced, and most likely before the 2015 elections, Ukraine will sign an association with the EU on the most enslaving terms.
    1. +1
      2 December 2013 09: 57
      Ukraine will sign an association with the EU on the most enslaving terms

      They impoverish themselves more quickly, they will be asked quicker. Only in no case will there be any force influences, even at the request of the people. Only after NATO (Poland and Romania).
      1. +2
        2 December 2013 11: 13
        Quote: Lubomyr
        They impoverish themselves more quickly, they will be asked quicker. Only in no case will there be any force influences, even at the request of the people. Only after NATO (Poland and Romania).


        Are you apparently inspired by the prospect of restoring everything from scratch that will finally fall apart in Ukraine? We have not so much money and not so few problems besides this.
        1. +4
          2 December 2013 11: 29
          Quote: IS-80
          Are you apparently inspired by the prospect of restoring everything from scratch that will finally fall apart in Ukraine?

          Do you know the saying, "you can't be cute by force"? People should get the REFERENDUM TO BE CARRIED OUT (preferably separately by regions). Let them answer for their own destiny.
      2. +2
        2 December 2013 12: 06
        Quote: Lubomyr
        Faster impoverished, faster asked back.

        Hmm, but I'm not sure about that at all. The dominant ideology in Ukraine is not nationalism or patriotism at all, as practice shows, their "independence" Ukrainians are ready to give up to the European Union and also pay extra for this. The dominant ideology there is Russophobia.
        You see, Ukraine will sign an agreement with the EU, an economic catastrophe will erupt (however, it is already possible as a result of plunging the country into chaos), and not Ukrainians will be appointed guilty of poverty and mass emigration, and even more so not the EU. .
        Without the formation of real pro-Russian forces, they will not be asked anywhere back.
        1. +4
          2 December 2013 13: 13
          Quote: Odyssey
          The dominant ideology in Ukraine is not nationalism or patriotism at all - as practice shows, their "independence" Ukrainians are ready to give up to the European Union and also pay extra at the same time. The dominant ideology there is Russophobia.

          +
          Ukraine cannot exist being pro-Russian. The attraction is too strong. Therefore, the idea of ​​a referendum on separating the left bank and the south from Ukraine into Russia without granting a republican status needs to be pushed through. And the Russophobian right bank, let another kettlebell rest on Germany’s neck.
          and not Ukrainians will be appointed guilty of poverty and mass emigration, and especially not the EU. In all, Russians will again be to blame

          Kars has already said that we are guilty that they have power for them. what
  27. ed65b
    +6
    2 December 2013 09: 11
    And what did they want for many years people were hammered about paradise in Europe, and then when he turned out to be so close they handed back? Looked like an interview with protesters. they really believe that Yanukovych did not let Ukraine into Europe and tore it from the benefits of civilization. Old people are sure that the European Union will raise their pensions with an average age that will give them investments and build factories, youth, everything is clear there, work in the West, study and visa-free entry into the European Union. This confidence is driven into the cerebral cortex by people, so they rebel. Who explained to them something else? Industrialists and the eastern regions behave extremely passively, although they primarily whistle. And who rebels, zapadentsy.
  28. +4
    2 December 2013 09: 23
    if the councils of people's deputies of the South-East of Ukraine call on Putin to help. in my opinion, it is worth considering this option to our president. the bulk of the Russians there.
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  30. +3
    2 December 2013 09: 29
    Ukraine is now in a fever, but healthy forces must prevail. There was already the experience of the Orange Revolution, immunity had to be developed. Demons should not come to power, everyone will be bad. I think the church should intervene. You can’t go into direct confrontation, this is rejection. It is necessary to separate, disperse, remove the effect of the crowd, this madness in which victims will necessarily arise. Those who organize these Maidan, I think, understand this and consciously make these sacrifices in order to achieve their goals. In the future, they will make great sacrifices.
  31. +2
    2 December 2013 09: 33
    Too zapadenskaya bastard is raw to take up arms. there will be no civil war there. to rest on the Maidan and to organize fascist marches is another matter. And it's time for our leaders to think about the status of Crimea. Catch up with more black vests and in the case of the slightest kipish make 84 region of the Russian Federation - the Crimean Republic.
    1. +4
      2 December 2013 09: 50
      About how Khrushchev gave Ukraine the Crimea, everyone remembers, and the fact that Leninin gave even larger territories to Ukraine - Novorossia?
  32. Sadikoff
    +3
    2 December 2013 09: 35
    Yes, everything is proceeding normally and predictably, not 2004, in the yard. For the military it is to let the enemy get as close as possible to light up all of its members and at the right time the ambush regiment will document everything with the overlapping financial accounts, documentation of foreign accommodation and sending agents of foreign influence to kitsch. get deeper, cause more material damage.
  33. +2
    2 December 2013 09: 46
    All right, the people there, their slow-witted deputies, and here the leaders of the Bolsheviks and the Polatsk blinch of the remnants, and even the paid students from Europe, could come to Ukraine to warm up the atmosphere. So I think everything goes to the section of blue-yellow into three parts -Krim Muslims , Bendera and the rest of the current government
  34. goldfinger
    -21
    2 December 2013 09: 47
    Neighbor Belarus.
    The main thing is that the footcloths in the Russian media (1 TV channel) did not report that the Crimean Tatars fully supported European integration and sent their "mujahideen" to Kiev to help the Maidan.
    And Eastern Ukraine is also divided in half, where 30% support European integration.
    So the Kremlin dreamers would be better to wipe their drool. Ukraine will not fall apart. But the Russian Federation can quite do this for itself, while playing the game of money and trashing your money, putting out revolutionary fires in foreign countries.
    1. +10
      2 December 2013 09: 52
      You, my friend, are also going to work in Europe?
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      1. Captain Vrungel
        +5
        2 December 2013 10: 57
        You know how to shoot personally. It seems to me that the shooter has not grown. And the whistle of bullets was not heard, without water and food in the mud and sweat did not sit. a friend was not taken out on a hump. Ask those who passed it. They will send you to a known address. Shaking arms, the last thing. Protected and armed fight, and innocent, peaceful, unarmed, unprotected ginshins, children, weak and miserable, perish.
      2. In the book
        +3
        2 December 2013 11: 38
        Quote: bubla5
        Nothing, soon the time will come

        To hunt?
        You cannot be called smart.
      3. korben
        +5
        2 December 2013 12: 10
        In his sandbox and only toy soldiers!
      4. goldfinger
        +5
        2 December 2013 14: 36
        Quote: bubla5
        Nothing will come soon, we’ll shoot, history repeats itself, time to fight, troops stagnated
        Neighbor Belarus.
        In! Another (censored) -hero was found! Everything will not be fought! I decided to pin the third camputar star on the camputar shoulder strap! In the real army, most likely you did not serve, you are our stagnant! In a dream, he probably served in the cavalry. Usually they talk about a horse - it's stagnant! Going for a shooter? How would you, unknown militarist friend, this Wishlist was not torn off at the root! And they didn't put the shooter in (deleted by the censor). First, before you blurt out something - strain your brain gyrus, and ... be silent, "hero of war and peaceful everyday life!"
      5. Genera
        0
        3 December 2013 08: 36
        Does the past tense make you happy? I can add: -She oddly enough will repeat again, as they drove everyone, demons from the Russian land, so we will drive.
    3. +1
      2 December 2013 11: 19
      Go to Ukraine and fraternize with the Tatar Euromojahideen. At the same time, they will do a circumcision for you, pro-European "dreamer".
      1. goldfinger
        -2
        2 December 2013 15: 49
        Neighbor Belarus.
        Are you me, half-respected? In which gateway of cultures-cultures have you studied? Although, maybe this is your current trend, profitable? And so, mind you, blatNot, I don’t accept such rudeness.
        1. -3
          2 December 2013 17: 26
          Go-go, to the Crimean Mujahideen, they will teach you Europe and Allah to love, in short, learn Arabic, it will come in handy in Europe.
        2. -3
          2 December 2013 17: 33
          I tell you, go learn, and not put "minuses". Ali, don't you understand?
    4. Genera
      -3
      3 December 2013 08: 32
      And you have a campaign bile through my mouth climbs, well, with such Old Man where horrible bleh .. you will not, well, okay, let’s here, you don’t stain anyone.
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  36. +7
    2 December 2013 09: 52
    Ukraine as a prostitute, and here and there everything wants and wants !!! But alas, not there! Putin with all this mess just laughs !!! Russia will win! A fat eat yourself!
    1. +6
      2 December 2013 11: 16
      Do not confuse the power of Ukraine, and its people, which is also divided by contradictions into two camps. As a prostitute, it is precisely the authorities of Ukraine. It is to the state of Ukraine that I have a negative. The people (as always) are bargaining pawns in this foul game, the subject of manipulation by higher forces (internal and external state and supranational structures). I sympathize with the people, both one and the other half. Everyone seeks happiness in their own way, only paths in different directions. Alas.
    2. In the book
      +4
      2 December 2013 11: 40
      The Ukrainian people want to live peacefully and happily.
      And you will be surprised that the people want to live peacefully and happily in the neighborhood of Russia, and Poland, and Bulgaria, and Turkey, and with other countries.
      And what or whom will Russia win?
      And we will eat fat ourselves. If you are visiting, come in and treat you. drinks
      1. +3
        2 December 2013 11: 55
        Quote: Libr
        The Ukrainian people want to live peacefully and happily.
        And we, too, and wish you the same, sincerely. But stop blaming Russia for their troubles. The state of Ukraine behaves like a girl. It rushes back and forth and never is guilty of anything. Well then, join the EU, if even in the east part of the population is for it. There, Ukraine will become a woman from a girl, it will mature, maybe it will grow wiser, and maybe there will be no one to grow wiser.
        And this, defeat the enemies. Personally, I do not consider the Ukrainian people to be my enemy until the opposite is proved. I do not take individual vyblyadov into account, I have enough of my own.
        1. In the book
          +1
          2 December 2013 12: 17
          It’s not my misfortune that I live poorly (this is if I think that I live poorly wink ).
          Only stupid people see the cause of their failures in someone or something.
          1. In the book
            +3
            2 December 2013 12: 41
            Sorry to read
            No yours the trouble is that I live poorly (this is if I assume that I live poorly).
            Only stupid people see the cause of their failures in someone or something.
      2. -2
        2 December 2013 17: 55
        While there is a feeling that the Ukrainian people want a European freebie. Yanukovych, yes, tired, but who are the judges? Where is his replacement? Awl for soap. First you need to grow inside yourself, and then go "into a decent society." In the meantime, Europe is using Ukraine to show a fig to Moscow and solve its immediate interests. A little time will pass and the Western countries of the EU will adopt laws restricting the entry of Ukrainians, as well as Bulgarians and Romanians. And Ukraine will no longer have its own large industry. See the experience of the Baltics, Greece, Romania.
      3. 0
        3 December 2013 10: 57
        Quote: Libr
        The Ukrainian people want to live peacefully and happily.


        Good wish. And to live well now, and not later.

        At whose expense will it be?
        1. In the book
          -1
          4 December 2013 10: 34
          Quote: O_RUS
          At whose expense will it be?

          Do not worry, not for yours. Already then I can worry about myself and about my relatives.
          1. 0
            4 December 2013 21: 46
            Quote: Libr
            Do not worry


            About what? Judge by yourself?

            Quote: Libr
            not for your


            I am Ukrainian - it will be necessary to help ... I will help and not only my relatives.
    3. +3
      2 December 2013 12: 46
      Russia will remain. But the orange are dragging Ukraine into European slavery. hi
    4. goldfinger
      -2
      2 December 2013 20: 37
      Neighbor Belarus.
      Quote: twister
      Ukraine as a prostitute, and here and there everything wants and wants !!! But alas, not there! Putin with all this mess just laughs !!! Russia will win! A fat eat yourself!

      When you, a freeloader with ambition, ate Ukrainian bread, sugar and sunflower oil, drank Ukrainian wine and a torch, received Ukrainian tractors and rockets for free, ate and sold Shebelin gas and Chernobyl electricity for a cordon, why didn’t you sing it, to. Atsap great power?
      And now, a hard worker, is busy selling (subsoil) the motherland at reasonable prices, and at the same time you are raiding.
      Do not wish the other that you do not want yourself.
      To the bottom of the crisis in which Russia is now falling, for a long time. Seven years have been tricked by economists. You will have time to remember your filthy words and chew your tongue.
      1. -1
        2 December 2013 20: 54
        Is it a PMS or is another amnesty in medical facilities in Poland?
  37. +16
    2 December 2013 09: 52
    Ukraine can be torn into two parts (minimum). The border will run along the Dnieper (with slight deviations). This is the most undesirable forecast, but quite probable. And the actions of the Ukrainian authorities led to this result.

    Russia will be able to return everything that was given to Ukraine for 100 years. That is, Donbass, Kharkov, Crimea, Odessa. The problem is that Western Ukraine will immediately be taken apart for parts by Poland. It is no accident that the most ardent arsonists have often come from Poland.

    The geopolitical project "Ukraine" is becoming a corpse before our very eyes. The territory itself (not the country) will live up to its name "Outskirts of Stronger Neighbors".
    1. +6
      2 December 2013 10: 09
      Yes, it's time to finish this booth. Novorossiysk province and Crimea to return back to the fold of Russia. The people on these lands deserve a better life.
      1. In the book
        -1
        2 December 2013 11: 41
        Quote: gecko
        Novorossiysk province and Crimea to return back to the fold of Russia.

        Well, if you have no brains, try.
        1. +2
          2 December 2013 12: 39
          You have no brains, look no further than your nose.
          1. In the book
            +1
            2 December 2013 12: 58
            You will have to more fully respond to your comment.
            In my answer I wanted to say the following: Ukraine, like Russia, is a state that has its own territory. And no states have the right to encroach on this territory.
            Consequently, your call to return "Novorossiysk province" and the Crimea is a direct call for military intervention by one state in the affairs of another.
            It was looking beyond my nose that I, (perhaps abruptly, sorry) wrote that you have no brains. Next time I will be more correct in expressions.
            Argument now for your answer, why am I:
            Quote: gecko
            look no further than your nose
            1. +2
              2 December 2013 13: 07
              After pulling the whole of Ukraine to Europe with the western regions, this will not end there, then there will be Belarus, and then the hands of the elites of Ukraine and Belarus will be pushing us, because the USA and Germany are on the sidelines, lowering their sixes Poland and Lithuania to Ukraine.
              If We smother now, then we can forget about the authority of Russia forever.
            2. +1
              2 December 2013 14: 21
              Quote: Libr
              You will have to more fully respond to your comment.
              In my answer I wanted to say the following: Ukraine, like Russia, is a state that has its own territory. And no states have the right to encroach on this territory

              You are absolutely right in the point that any state has its own territory. And is obliged to protect her. From modern history we take such states as Iraq, Libya, Syria. The states have broken up and who can now tell to whom these or those territories belong?

              If the example of African and Middle Eastern countries is not enough, then quite recently in our memory there was such a state as Yugoslavia. Some are already in the European Union, the other is not.

              Precedents in modern political history are full.

              If someone thinks that this is impossible, then he is mistaken. Someone in 1980, looking at a crying bear at the Olympics, could suggest that in the 1990s there will be no USSR? If someone tells me that he foresaw this, I will laugh long and hard.

              All Eastern Ukraine is a gift from the Bolsheviks to Ukraine. Kharkiv, Donbass were transferred to Ukraine after the Revolution. Everyone knows about Crimea. And most importantly, the population of these regions does not want to learn MOV. Holding a plebiscite is not at all tricky. And if the West also throws a couple of billions into "zhovto-blakitnye", the rallies will become permanent.

              So everything is possible in our world.
              1. In the book
                +1
                2 December 2013 14: 38
                Quote: Bakht
                All Eastern Ukraine is a gift of the Bolsheviks to Ukraine. Kharkov, Donbass transferred to Ukraine after the Revolution. Everyone knows about Crimea

                Following your logic, you can first go to Kievan Rus, then to the Sarmatians, Scythians, etc. to Neanderthals or Adam and Eve, who believes in what.

                Art. 2 of the Constitution of Ukraine states:
                "The territory of Ukraine within the existing border is integral and inviolable"
                Accordingly, any fabrications about the territory are inappropriate.
                1. +3
                  2 December 2013 17: 57
                  Here the Poles are deeply subject to all laws, they took and intervened in the internal affairs of Ukraine.
                  To live with wolves - howl like a wolf !!!
            3. -1
              2 December 2013 20: 10
              What a damn military intervention laughing Soon your government itself will give everything in such a way, but if we take it, this is a question! ??? Our mother Russia has plenty of land!
    2. +3
      2 December 2013 15: 22
      Last week there was information that Poland was buying more than a hundred Leopard2 tanks from Germany, why did a peaceful country need so many tanks?
  38. +3
    2 December 2013 10: 05
    Some banal greed can ruin the whole civilization. It's a shame.
  39. +3
    2 December 2013 10: 20
    To take and grab a piece of Ukraine with those who are for Russia ... And those who want to join the EU will give it back (for sure it will be the 1 / 20 part of Ukraine! And then see how they sing ...
  40. +2
    2 December 2013 10: 39
    The Ukrainians themselves will sort it out at home, and the offspring who quietly suggest disassembling Ukraine for parts themselves may find themselves in a similar situation.
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  42. korben
    -2
    2 December 2013 10: 49
    Quote: APES
    What will happen to this power does not care - people are sorry, as if there didn’t come to the shooting ....

    But wow! Yanukovych stupidly, as if by the way, ruined a more or less controlled situation! With such cruelty, only creatures can beat people! And they work in Berkut! So that you understand what Berkut is doing in reality, in addition to ensuring the "rule of law" at rallies! The most basic thing they do is extortion on the roads, force hitting and other illegal dregs!
    After what has been seen, in society, over the past few days, a huge hatred of the Golden Eagle has accumulated! It can even come to lynching! This is already scary!
    1. Hudo
      0
      2 December 2013 11: 21
      Quote: Korben

      But wow! Yanukovych stupidly, as usual, ruined still more or less controlled situation

      You wrote there the day before yesterday that you personally heard how you gave orders on the phone to bring state employees to Kiev under the threat of being fired to a rally for Yanukevich. AND WHAT? No 5-wheelbarrow, no aysmtivi, no radio "era" or other're coming out-who-who-media about that or gu-gu. Are you lying again?
      1. korben
        +2
        2 December 2013 12: 13
        I talked about the city of Kharkov! Read carefully and do not twist! In Kharkov, there is also Independence Square!
        http://www.objectiv.tv/301113/90771.html
        1. Hudo
          0
          2 December 2013 12: 19
          Quote: Korben
          I talked about the city of Kharkov! Read carefully and do not twist! In Kharkov, there is also Independence Square!
          http://www.objectiv.tv/301113/90771.html

          And what, brought out?
          1. korben
            +1
            2 December 2013 12: 21
            Yes, and forcibly! Read the comments here!
            1. Hudo
              +1
              2 December 2013 12: 24
              I read it.
              189 questions 01.12.13/11/51, XNUMX:XNUMX


              # 183 Bobshtein, Galychina (Lvovska, Ternopolsk, Ivano-Frankivsk and Rivne) - this is 9 million of the population, of which the unaccounted cloud is "on earnings" outside the cordon.

              They dictate to everyone that the people of Ukraine are exactly THEY, being the most advanced and nationally conscious elite. Stubbornly and stupidly dictate and impose their "values" on the whole country and want everyone to dance to THEIR trembita.

              It is they who have just filled Kiev and are imposing their opinion on absolutely everyone that THERE are THEY - these are ALL the people of Ukraine and that they are the Ukrainian people.

              All this already was, was, was .....

              Nothing new.


              Where about something that I did not forcibly find.
              1. korben
                +1
                2 December 2013 12: 32
                It is useless to argue with you! Because there is only your opinion!
      2. Drosselmeyer
        +2
        2 December 2013 19: 26
        Yes, state employees were taken to Kiev for "Regions". From Sevastopol, they drove the workers of the KP "Blaglustroystvo", set the days as workers. Refusals were not accepted. Everyone knows about these rallies in Ukraine, this is such a secret of Punchinelle.
  43. +3
    2 December 2013 10: 51
    Lord, send at least one tank regiment there, at least out of pity, are you people or not? One volley of high-explosive fragmentation into the orange crowd, and law and order are ensured. How many people were devoured by the French Revolution? But just one volley of shrapnel was enough, to stop all this. Yanukovych signed a death sentence for himself as a politician, he is now an enemy both for the European Union and the United States behind his back, and for Russia, for he betrayed once, betrayed the second. Now or the election right now, where the people will express themselves where he wants, or a shot from the tanks in the crowd to restore order, and then a strong-willed decision. And what is being done now is a half measure that will temporarily ease the patient’s condition, but then it will only get worse. Although there is another option, grab the dough more the airport is warm countries and a comfortable well-fed life and writing memories. Well, we will solve the problem from Russia, the hand is already full, there is the experience of Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
    1. In the book
      -1
      2 December 2013 11: 50
      Peacemaker You are ours:
      Quote: Standard Oil
      at least out of pity


      Quote: Standard Oil
      One high-explosive fragmentation volley into the orange crowd


      Quote: Standard Oil
      the hand is already full, there is the experience of Hungary and Czechoslovakia

      Do you know about how Soviet troops met in Budapest and Prague?
      Of course, I am not an eyewitness of those events, but from the stories of my father-in-law I can judge what happened in Hungary in 1956 and how our troops met there.
      1. 0
        2 December 2013 12: 12
        Quote: Libr
        How did Soviet troops meet in Budapest and Prague? Do you know?

        I know that "peaceful" inhabitants "suddenly" had German MP-40s, faust cartridges and even anti-tank PAK-40s, only "in reserve" hidden.
        1. In the book
          0
          2 December 2013 12: 42
          And why would they have them?
          Maybe the Hungarians and Czechs decided to protect their home?
    2. goldfinger
      -3
      2 December 2013 13: 37
      Neighbor Belarusian. And they also ask why ALL of Europe, both Western and Eastern, shies away from such neighbors? Do you want to shoot, dove? Want to make your "little brothers" happy again? Fortunately, your Wishlist does not rise, and your shooter (I mean the same ....) has rusted since 1993, when they were bullets at your parliament. Looking at your camputar stars, I think that you did not really serve, dove!
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Well, we will solve the problem from Russia, the hand is already full, there is the experience of Hungary and Czechoslovakia.

      Hand, you say it’s full, as if your face were not filled, Anika the warrior! Well, the Russian Land is rich (removed by censorship)!
      1. +6
        2 December 2013 13: 55
        Quote: Libr
        And why would they have them?
        Maybe the Hungarians and Czechs decided to protect their home?

        And the instructors from the SS decided to "help"? All these events, in Czechoslovakia, in Hungary, in Georgia, in the Ukraine, one field of berries.
        1. In the book
          0
          2 December 2013 14: 21
          And what do you think a person should do when a neighbor with arms in his hands comes to his doorstep?
          1. +6
            2 December 2013 14: 38
            What should the Soviet Union have done in that situation? "Terpila turn on", I'm sorry for the jargon?
            1. In the book
              +1
              2 December 2013 14: 58
              Do not apologize for the jargon, everyone writes as he thinks (no offense) wink
              And what was the USSR supposed to do? It is difficult to judge this now, everyone is literate now after five decades.
              I think that then there were options and less painful for all parties.
          2. +3
            2 December 2013 15: 00
            Quote: Libr
            And what do you think a person should do when a neighbor with arms in his hands comes to his doorstep?

            How many idealists do we still have? Well, it's actually about the situation in Ukraine, but let's say now it's 1968, you are the leader of the USSR, there is an armed uprising in Prague, Czechoslovakia announces its withdrawal from the Warsaw Pact and calls for NATO troops for "help", your actions ?
            1. In the book
              +2
              2 December 2013 16: 26
              Let me repeat:
              Quote: Libr
              It is difficult to judge this now, everyone is literate now after five decades.
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  44. +4
    2 December 2013 11: 09
    Things reached the next revolution. I think it’s time in the east to say my word and stop containing these people. All taxes should be left in the east. And for now, to introduce autonomy from these supporters of European integration.
    1. +2
      2 December 2013 11: 36
      Indeed, normal people do not have time to sleep in the squares for months. Who are these people? You just need to return the article for parasitism.
      1. In the book
        +5
        2 December 2013 11: 52
        In Yanukovych’s understanding, normal people are people who allow the president of a poor country to buy the world's most expensive helicopters for his beloved one, build expensive residences, grab hunting grounds in nature reserves, and steal money from the country's budget for his family.
        Do you also think so, like Yanukovych?
        1. +2
          2 December 2013 12: 04
          The question is not Yanukovych, but who will come in his place and what will follow. Yanukovych can be re-elected soberly, calmly understanding the software platforms, and not speculating on the confrontation, where those who are not clean at hand will be pulled by the noise that they have not had time to pull away. Already passed it.
          1. In the book
            +3
            2 December 2013 12: 30
            "Everything has already been stolen before us ..." (c)
            Whoever comes to his place must understand the simple thing that people cannot allow their leaders to plunder the country (as his family and oligarch friends do).
            Why do we allow these nonhumans to buy luxury goods for budget money, steal from the budget, take state property into personal property, and provide themselves with undeserved privileges?
  45. +3
    2 December 2013 11: 39
    Quote: Odyssey
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    1. Yanukovych gives the command to the fas, transplant the entire opposition and falling into world isolation, joins the TS. (Science fiction)
    2. He is overthrown and the country is quiet and quiet, slamming into the EU, and Yanukovych to sit in Tymoshenko’s place.
    3. The country is falling apart.
    Third option, more real

    Unfortunately, the second is more real.
    And even more real, he backs off, signs an association agreement with the EU on the most enslaving terms, guaranteed by personal integrity, and leaves through early elections.

    Unfortunately, there is 4 option - civil war.
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  47. +3
    2 December 2013 11: 45
    Quote: MG42
    Quote: APES
    Who said?

    Is Ukraine another state of something wrong?

    How many times, in the history of the country, was it a different state?
  48. 0
    2 December 2013 11: 45
    Quote: MG42
    Quote: APES
    Who said?

    Is Ukraine another state of something wrong?

    How many times, in the history of the country, was it a different state?
  49. catapractic
    +10
    2 December 2013 11: 48
    Otto von Bismarck: “The power of Russia can only be undermined by separating Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia, to pit two parts of a single people and watch how a brother will kill his brother. To do this, you only need to find and nurture traitors among the national elite and, with their help, change the self-awareness of one part of the great people to such an extent that they will hate everything Russian, hate their kind, without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time. ”
    so let Zapadenskaya scum rolls to the West, they’ll move to Europe through ..op, don’t get used to it, then they will lick the boots for the Panams and Germans, then they are ready to clean the toilets after them
  50. +7
    2 December 2013 11: 57
    Well, they’ll throw off Yanukovych now, with whom will they stay? with a boxer who has been hit in the head since childhood? there’s no more money
  51. +1
    2 December 2013 11: 57
    Well, they’ll throw off Yanukovych now, with whom will they stay? with a boxer who has been hit in the head since childhood? there’s no more money
  52. +7
    2 December 2013 11: 58
    The most vile thing is that there are the same Russian people there, but they are brainwashed... and they were unlucky with their leaders, unlike Russia. If Putin had not come to power, it is still unknown what would have happened to Russia. In principle, this scenario (intended for Russia) is being implemented in Ukraine with its own characteristics; due to its smaller size, there is no need to divide it into parts. Its transformation into a colony is being carried out by the hands of the residents of Square, because the military option, due to the mentality of the population, will lead to unity and resistance with unpredictable consequences for Europe itself. It is almost impossible to conquer, but it is easy to deceive. It started with the suggestion that Little Russians are Ukrainians and non-Russians, and then more... Now the matter has come to a climax and apparently no one knows what will happen.
    1. catapractic
      +6
      2 December 2013 12: 03
      partly Russian - Galicians are not Russians, they are just enraged Austro-Hungarian and Polish slaves, and as you know, rabid dogs... however, for the sake of humanity, you can release them to the West and let their owners bite laughing
      1. Baboon
        +1
        2 December 2013 12: 23
        There is a concept of Carpathian Ukraine, so Russophobia has long been cultivated in this territory. They were explained that they were Rusyns, and how completely different they were.
        1. +5
          2 December 2013 13: 26
          Quote: Babon
          There is a concept of Carpathian Ukraine, so Russophobia has long been cultivated in this territory. They were explained that they were Rusyns, and how completely different they were.

          But they are different! They have their own language, and their own alphabet....and they desperately resist, they do not want to be recorded as “Ukrainians”. And the RUSIN nationality has existed for a very long time, much longer than the “Ukrainians”. (When I have time, I’ll post a link or text about the Rusyns) And, by the way, they have always been and remain in favor of unification with Russia!
        2. +6
          2 December 2013 17: 12
          Rusyns, in fact, do not like Psheks and Galicians. In addition, the majority of them are not Catholics, but Orthodox. What are you writing?
      2. +2
        2 December 2013 15: 22
        About the Galicians - I know, I myself am a “Ukrainian” of who knows what generation, and the surname is appropriate.
  53. Sovman
    +11
    2 December 2013 11: 59
    “A protest rally against the refusal of European integration” - no one proposed European integration to Ukraine, they offered to organize duty-free import of goods, they offered to oblige themselves to switch to EU standards and take on a bunch of other obligations and, for this, still fulfill a number of requirements. No privileges were offered. And for this right to support the EU at the cost of their own economy, the people were brought to the Maidan - 5 points to the organizers, and they blamed... Russia for all the unrest. Well, bravo - another victory of the Washington regional committee over common sense!
    1. catapractic
      0
      2 December 2013 12: 10
      [quote] Well, bravo - another victory of the Washington regional committee over common sense! [/quote - rather not so much the Washington regional committee as the Brussels-Berlin regional committee, although nothing can be done without amers.
    2. +2
      2 December 2013 12: 25
      Yeah. The company does not knit brooms, the company makes coffins.
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  55. +4
    2 December 2013 12: 01
    Hello everyone! If you haven’t looked at my messages in the mosaic (I posted it late), then briefly again
    “In the coming days, the official delegation of Ukraine will go to Brussels to resume an active dialogue with the European Union regarding the signing of an association agreement,” Foreign Minister Leonid Kozhara said on TSN.
    He noted that it is planned to discuss the cost of gas and issues of financial assistance by international organizations. The parties should also consider the problem of falling trade turnover between Ukraine and the EU."
    BUT!!!! “Foreign Ministers of Poland Radoslaw Sikorski and Sweden Carl Bildt say that the European Union is ready to sign an association agreement with Ukraine as soon as Viktor Yanukovych is ready to do so, but will not bargain for the future of Ukraine in the absence of economic reforms. This is stated in the joint statement by the foreign ministers of Poland Radoslaw Sikorski and Sweden Carl Bildt."
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-132497.html


    and at the same time, Azarov said that the working group will go to Russia, because restoring trade with the Russian Federation is task No. 1
    xxxxx
    The scary thing is that these “leaders” are losing power, in the sense that they no longer control the crowd!

    City Hall was turned into the headquarters of the revolution, some of the offices were destroyed
    "HOLIDAY". Some protesters began... stealing pens and notepads from tables. “I told you not to touch anything, stop looting!” - someone shouted from the crowd. But in the end it didn’t stop there. On the ground floor, several press service offices were torn down, throwing all documents and folders onto the floor.
    According to activists, unknown persons intended to... set fire to the building at 36 Khreshchatyk. “We seized 22 bottles of Molotov cocktails from the provocateurs,” says activist Andrei. According to him, the contents of the bottles were poured into the toilet. “Fragments of bottles with an unknown liquid were found near the building of the Kyiv City State Administration. Now the police are negotiating with the picketers and asking them to vacate the premises,” the capital’s police told us. KCSA officials plan to go to work tomorrow.
    http://www.segodnya.ua/politics/pnews/provokatory-hoteli-szhech-kievradu-aktivis
    t-479125.html
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  57. +6
    2 December 2013 12: 04
    Lviv region announces maximum mobilization to support Euromayadan in Kyiv, Chairman of the Lviv Regional Council Petro Kolodiy said at a meeting of the Coordination Committee.

    “We are announcing the maximum mobilization of people to travel to Kyiv. We will not include women, children and citizens who are under 20 years old in the lists of those wishing to do so,” the press service of the Lviv Regional Council quotes Kolodia.

    According to him, from now on the student coordination council of the Lviv Euromaidan is being integrated into the structure of the Coordination Council under the regional council. Also, the chairman of the regional council emphasized that the Lviv coordination council will be directly subordinate to the National Resistance Committee, organized by opposition parties.
    http://www.versii.com/news/292318/
    XXXX
    Well, I also advise you to read “The Fun of the Week. Who Controls the Chaos?”
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/article-132510.html
    Very well written! (And I like the signature! Nyura.N.Berg)
    1. +1
      2 December 2013 12: 20
      What about working and feeding your family?
      1. Hudo
        +1
        2 December 2013 19: 18
        Quote: Saber
        What about working and feeding your family?

        When did the Galicians work?
    2. +3
      2 December 2013 18: 24
      Quote: Egoza
      The Lviv region announces maximum mobilization to support the Euromayadan in Kyiv, Chairman of the Lviv Regional Council Petro Kolodiy said at a meeting of the Coordination Council.

      Intercept on the road, confiscate the transport, and escort the Bendera soldiers on foot to Galicia.
  58. +8
    2 December 2013 12: 26
    According to a friend, in Kyiv there are a lot of young and smart Poles who speak Russian fluently without an accent to others, and outside the Maidan they communicate with each other in Polish. And many organized groups of young people with one older person and one or two girls behave aggressively. This is the tactic. The girl starts a conversation with the disagreeing passenger, then, if necessary, she screams as if in pain, and then the person she points to is given the rest, if possible, with a lyulya, if it is not possible, they threaten, shout “provocateur” and all that. In general, it’s very interesting there, I think they may start shooting before the end of the week. It’s just that Western “friends” were not ready for such a feint by Yanukovych and are now just improvising.
    1. +3
      2 December 2013 13: 23
      Quote: chunga-changa
      in Kyiv there are a lot of young and smart Poles who speak Russian fluently without an accent to others

      I wouldn’t be surprised if “GROM” is already fast there.
  59. ed65b
    +2
    2 December 2013 12: 27
    To be honest, we are tired of quotes from the rotten Bismarck and the mossy stump of the Russophobe Brzezhinsky about Ukraine. Well, there will be no Ukraine, so what? we will continue to live. That they will all fly away to Mars along with the earth? We live without all 14 republics and somehow we don’t have anything better than everyone else. Ukrainians must simply sign the association and if, as economists say, they collapse into chaos, so be it. Today, the worse they are, the better they are. They are no strangers to the authorities themselves swallowing the shit and replacing them with pro-Western ones.
  60. Platov
    +1
    2 December 2013 12: 27
    Gentlemen, be a little more modest, Yanukovych has long been in Europe, body and soul, and he wants to show Russia that the people themselves are striving to reach Europe at any cost. In another week, at the next European summit, he will sign the association documents and wash his hands. Here you have what you were striving for!
  61. avg
    +1
    2 December 2013 12: 32
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    At what classes, they all beat them in protest to study.

    “He dreamed of university, wanted to study, but life didn’t turn out at all as he thought.”
    M. Gorky. My universities
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  63. ed65b
    +14
    2 December 2013 12: 39
    Ukrainians, burn and destroy everything, burn Kyiv to the ground, carry three oppositionists in your arms to the US Embassy, ​​from there they will rule you. What difference does it make to you? That's it, in orderly ranks of 45 million people, go to Europe, if you break through, the psheks will not have enough strength to stop you. And whoever does not go with you, hang them on lamp posts along the road. As you pass by cities, burn them and fields, destroy factories, rob warehouses, kill livestock. In Europe you won’t need it. You won’t need anything at all there. There you will be warmed, fed and supported by the whole of Europe until the end of your days, and after that you will also be buried at the expense of Germany. They owe you something. Long live anarchy, the true state of the Ukrainian soul. forget about the Russian barbarians and unwashed Russia, forward to enlightened Europe, to Paris and London.
    1. Marina13
      +2
      2 December 2013 12: 59
      As sad as it is, I think that’s what most of them think.
    2. +2
      2 December 2013 15: 35
      What a scope! Lead us, Teacher!!!)
    3. +1
      2 December 2013 17: 34
      Quote: ed65b
      forward to enlightened Europe, to Paris and London.

      It’s a pity I can’t express myself as flowerily!! hi hi hi hi
  64. Olaf
    -20
    2 December 2013 12: 41
    “In this bed, Ukraine was offered to completely “surrender” - to open its market, due to which the European Commissioners-suitors hoped to fuck their “democratic interests.”
    Already from this phrase one can diagnose the author.
    But in fact, the game under the code name “Gathering of Lands” has entered its final phase. With all my dislike for Volodya, I must give him his due - slowly, with the tenacity of a bulldog, he moves towards his goal. True, life forces us - 45 million whites will significantly dilute Russian black blood and at the same time increase the average population density. To this we can add several more defense enterprises, strategic ones, otherwise our own capacities are not enough - they were destroyed more successfully than the Ukrainians.
    1. avg
      +8
      2 December 2013 12: 59
      They certainly say about such people: “Keep silent and you’ll pass for smart.” negative
    2. Warrawar
      +5
      2 December 2013 13: 59
      Quote: Olaf
      True, life forces us - 45 million whites will significantly dilute Russian black blood

      Sorry. Ukrainians will be in every way darker than Russians

      Quote: Olaf
      To this we can add several more defense enterprises, strategic ones, otherwise our capacities are not enough


      Of the existing Ukrainian enterprises, only Yuzhmash and Motor Sich, with Progress, survived. FROM everything else, only memories remained.
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  66. +4
    2 December 2013 12: 46
    First of all, I clearly associate the word oppositionist with the words degenerate, ok. So ruining your own country because of some ephemeral and unnecessary individual rights.....
    Secondly, I can’t understand why the south and east indifferently look on as Bendery once again imposes on them their vision of the state of Ukraine? Why are Euro-liberals raging in Kiev and no one is stopping them. After all, the main blow of the EU will be on the industrial east. There has been nothing in the west for a long time... Where are the trains with Donetsk, Crimean, Odessa guys who will silence the Maydowns forever? After all, very often on forums in On the Internet they complained about how the Svidomo people tormented them. To know, they didn’t really bother them. If they are silent.
    1. +1
      2 December 2013 22: 38
      In one very good book (about Peter 1) the Swede said - What can you say, if all the same, guns will say more eloquently.
      Let me rephrase - some people just need to get over it. Some firmly believe that they are doing the right thing (the crowd has no brains - where the leader leads them, the sheep move)
      So the East and South will not interfere in this matter. First of all, we’re tired of Yanyk, too. Secondly, for example, I understand why these people are rocking the government (on the wave of taking the throne)
      Therefore, working people have no time to bawler on Kyiv Square. Everyone expressed their solidarity. But only as a protest against Berkut’s actions (although I saw with my own eyes in the video that the crowd itself provoked it and only then those uninvolved suffered)
      In general, Berkut should not have interfered (although the opposition probably provoked people, as in the owl Pimply poisoned himself with poison)
      Lies and fog in society. Are you suggesting that the east and south go and beat up the western ones? Why - their brains have always been out of place and Europe seems better to them. They are the same as us - just with fog instead of the Russian language and brains.
      Support them to the end - get again the stupid supremacy of the crowd with Western Ukrainian ideas - “Don’t work but wait for the guy”
      To drive them away is a civil war.
      It is optimal to allow Kyiv to enjoy democracy. Take the government to Kharkov and wait it out. And in general, temporarily move the capital - Kyiv has become too Westernized... it is very susceptible as a capital to the pernicious influence of the crowd from Western Ukraine.
      1. Akim
        +1
        2 December 2013 22: 48
        Quote: Cristall
        It is optimal to allow Kyiv to enjoy democracy. Take the government to Kharkov and wait it out.

        They won't get mad. They have already felt the taste of power. There are two options here: either targeted suppression of opposition leaders or federalization, with the free city of Kyiv. Empty people are scouring their entrances in Lvov.
  67. Platov
    +1
    2 December 2013 12: 50
    Gentlemen, be a little more modest, Yanukovych has long been in Europe, body and soul, and he wants to show Russia that the people themselves are striving to reach Europe at any cost. In another week, at the next European summit, he will sign the association documents and wash his hands. Here you have what you were striving for! Due to the calm situation on the outskirts, close the border, let out only crests and let in only our own.
  68. Warrawar
    +14
    2 December 2013 12: 58
    A little humor about the Ukrainian Maidan activists:
    1. Hudo
      +3
      2 December 2013 13: 39
      Quote: Warrawar
      A little humor about the Ukrainian Maidan activists:


      An ordinary maydaunat is a farm Europeoid, a flawed fruit of independence with a withered brain yuschenkotakEuropean integration and that’s it. But I still haven’t learned to use toilet paper instead of my finger.
      1. +1
        2 December 2013 20: 20
        He doesn’t know how to read....in his head there is a tsibul, a vodka, -----yuuyayka, felt boots and skis---- A SHIFTER ON THE MAIDAN (orange) laughing
    2. Net
      Net
      +4
      2 December 2013 13: 41
      Their stupidity and narrow-mindedness is simply amazing. You can only drive such slaves around the Maidan with batons; they still can’t understand reasonable arguments.
  69. +6
    2 December 2013 12: 59
    A little more, a little more. And...a second Egypt will appear right next to us. Following the example, it all starts with a cobblestone. Tahrircomfortable compete with Maidantired. Yanukovych got cunning.
    1. +4
      2 December 2013 14: 06
      It won’t come to “Egypt”; Uncle Vova recently “saved Syria”, so he definitely won’t abandon Ukraine.
  70. ss19
    -4
    2 December 2013 13: 29
    I have never read more narrow-minded people and patriotic garbage. It’s so necessary, while hating your system and your Putin, to write nasty things about Ukraine with all your heart! Don’t forget that Putin’s children live in Europe, that all your money, money from oil and gas, is mainly stored in Europe and America. That half of whose rulers you are already confused about how to vilify - children live in Europe
    1. +3
      2 December 2013 13: 35
      Get to the Maidan.
    2. +3
      2 December 2013 13: 48
      I simply adore my Putin. And I don’t have the bad (almost oppositional) manner of looking into someone else’s pocket. I have my own. And we build what we need. There are, of course, disadvantages, BUT: watching the Maidan, I understand that the Ukrainians have there is no good state. For the second week now, cattle have not been cleared from the streets of the capital
      1. Warrawar
        +6
        2 December 2013 14: 01
        Quote: shark
        I just adore my Putin

        To be honest, there is absolutely nothing to adore him for. Thanks for one thing, at least he is not as weak-minded as the Ukrainian rulers.
        1. +4
          2 December 2013 14: 51
          with “I love it”, I went a little too far bully Well, they are bullshit))))))
    3. +5
      2 December 2013 14: 01
      Putin is better than incomprehensible crooks in power like you, with whom you are constantly dissatisfied, although before this you yourself elected them unanimously.
  71. ss19
    -6
    2 December 2013 13: 29
    I have never read more narrow-minded people and patriotic garbage. It’s so necessary, while hating your system and your Putin, to write nasty things about Ukraine with all your heart! Don’t forget that Putin’s children live in Europe, that all your money, money from oil and gas, is mainly stored in Europe and America. That half of whose rulers you are already confused about how to vilify - children live in Europe
    1. +3
      2 December 2013 13: 41
      Haben Sie schon angefangen, Deutsch zu lernen? Sprache der Gastgeber.
  72. DimaGromyko
    -9
    2 December 2013 13: 39
    It is a pity that this is not the first article with clearly provocative content (namely, the essence of the article: the EU is evil, Ukrainians are mentally retarded because they don’t want to join the CU).

    I had to register on the site in order to at least reflect a different point of view in the comments.

    Firstly, living in/in Ukraine, I still see the situation somewhat differently than paid commentators and article writers. And there are many more people who wanted, want and will want to go to Europe than those who want to merge with the CU. The question here is not at all that Russians are a fraternal people, but that in Russia, as a state, Ukrainians do not see an example to follow (unlike the EU).

    Secondly, Ukraine has really strong economic ties with Russia, but these are connections between Ukrainian and Russian oligarchs. To the average Ukrainian, these connections are neither cold nor hot. And a very significant percentage of ordinary Ukrainians work in Europe or for companies with European capital (according to even official Ukrainian statistics, Ukrainian “earners” annually send almost as much money to/to Ukraine as the Ukrainian budget).
    But for the ordinary Ukrainian it does not go unnoticed that the oligarchs simply suck every penny out of enterprises that at one time were simply stolen from the country, and then throw them for scrap metal (and the number of enterprises that are still “afloat” from such oligarchs does not increase at all). While companies with European capital are being created from scratch (and their number is growing, although their growth has noticeably decreased since 2008). Therefore, many articles can be written on the topic that Ukraine will be better in the Customs Union, but even the pro-Russian regions of eastern Ukraine are no longer as willing to believe in this as they were even 5 years ago.

    Thirdly, there were provocations from the very first day of the rallies. But the provocations were not from the security forces (this is true), but also not from the protesters (why do they forget to write this on this site?), the provocations were exclusively from the ruling political party (the “Party of Regions”)! It was their representatives who from the first day went and tried to give money to the protesters (either to make them leave, or to make them stay), tried to insult them, tried to provoke them into fights, etc. For what? - I don’t know the answer to this question (sometimes it seems to me that the people “at the helm” of our state don’t know how to do anything more complicated than “selecting seeds from old grandmothers at the market”, and it seems they are simply “blown away” by the fact that they managed to get to power, and it’s even more “blowing the roof” because they haven’t been carried out with pitchforks yet.
    1. Net
      Net
      +3
      2 December 2013 14: 13
      And there are many more people who wanted, want and will want to go to Europe than those who want to merge with the CU

      Much more is how much? smile Pruflink for a survey in the studio!

      And a very significant percentage of ordinary Ukrainians work in Europe or for companies with European capital

      That is, there are more of them working in Europe than in the CU countries? laughing

      but these are connections between Ukrainian and Russian oligarchs. The average Ukrainian is neither cold nor hot from these connections

      Do nanorobots work at the enterprises of these oligarchs? Or ordinary people whose income directly depends on the success of the oligarch’s enterprise?

      While companies with European capital are being created from scratch (and their number is growing, although their growth has noticeably decreased since 2008)

      And what kind of companies? Is there anything comparable to SCM?
      1. DimaGromyko
        -3
        2 December 2013 14: 40
        1. Ukraine cannot even conduct a population census (for many years now). So what kind of proof link will suit you, so that you don’t then start asking me to provide “trustworthy” sources?
        However, you can look at old surveys of Ukrainian information resources that conducted just such surveys - will this be sufficient evidence for you?

        2. I can’t say for sure whether there are more (quantitatively) Ukrainians working in the EU than in the CU. Official data was only on the amount of money transferred by “employees” from the USA, EU, Russia (I haven’t seen data on transfers specifically from the Customs Union, perhaps they exist somewhere). According to these data, Russia was losing a lot. Although, of course, there still needs to be an adjustment (it is not known what) for the money that the “workers” simply carried with them (by train, etc.) and which is not registered anywhere for this reason. But in the same way, in Western Ukraine, “workers” smuggle money from the EU without registering it.

        3. People work at the enterprises of the oligarchs; unfortunately, the concept of modernization there, as a rule, boils down to the fact that instead of five people, the work is given to one and four are fired. But there is a big difference when one specialist at an oligarch’s enterprise works like an ox for a meager salary (meager, because after paying utilities, buying cheap clothes and cheap food, he has practically no money left), while those four fired have been working for a long time at an enterprise with European capital (and often earn more than the “lucky” one who still works for the oligarch’s uncle). And so that there is no ambiguity, it is possible to sit on unemployment benefits, but not for long (because it would be good if it was at least enough for food).

        4. Companies? Let's start with IT (almost without exception... and by the way, the only industry in Ukraine that is developing and making a profit). Next is mining (yes, Ukraine does not have gas and oil for sale, but it does have stone). The production of metals, etc., associated with European capital, died as soon as the local oligarchs “moved in” and took away the enterprises (what’s the point? They don’t like raiders in Europe and don’t want to do business with them, but Russia has enough of its own metal). Armament is Russia, so in general there is a competitor for Ukraine. Chocolate, nuts, grain and other food industries - with varying degrees of success (there are excellent examples of development, and excellent examples... of merciless and thoughtless exploitation of Ukrainian land).
        1. Net
          Net
          +2
          2 December 2013 15: 54
          1. that is, there are no facts other than “old polls”. OK.

          2. Here I will help. http://zn.ua/ECONOMICS/denezhnye-perevody-v-ukrainu-iz-za-rubezha-uvelichilis-13
          0165_.html
          Russia remains the leader in transfers - $ 1,186 billion came from this country to Ukraine. The second place is occupied by the USA - $ 307,1 million, the third - Germany with $ 198,8 million. As reported, in 2012, Ukrainians working abroad transferred to Ukraine $4,6 billion in remittances as wages (14,8% more than in 2011). The largest number of Ukrainian labor migrants work in Russia - only officially 1,35 million people. They sent the largest volume of transfers to their families - $2,3 billion, which is 18,2% more than in the previous year


          3. Here you have gone off topic; I have refuted your statement in bold that the economic ties of the oligarchs have nothing to do with ordinary Ukrainians.
          As for salaries, there is such a concept as the labor market, and because the European company there will not pay “ordinary Ukrainians” more than they should, otherwise there is no need to move production abroad. Maybe you also believe that the EU will give you European salaries? smile To begin with, we will be content with European tariffs for housing and communal services and prices. By the way, the Customs Union does not regulate prices for us, does not indicate what laws to adopt, but we are independent! Ostap's immortal phrase "Foreign countries will help us, the West is with us!" was and is just a slight mockery.

          4. I haven’t heard about large certified data centers of IT giants. Software companies? Well, what is their contribution to the country’s GDP? It was not for nothing that I brought SCM. Consider the importance of the number of jobs and contributions to the budget. On the other hand, what do European companies mean to you? working honestly, paying workers fairly, caring about the development of the enterprise? And what, excuse me, is stopping you from doing it yourself!? What is so European that is unattainable for us? Why is everyone waiting for guys from Europe to come and make heaven on Earth for everyone? But this will not happen :) And I see no point in comparing the EU and the CU. If the former demands political and legislative reforms without giving anything in return, then the CU is purely a trading club.
          1. DimaGromyko
            -4
            2 December 2013 17: 09
            1. I just pointed out that there are no official statistics on this issue (there was no referendum or anything like that). You can only rely on the results of surveys, depending on which information resources (Ukrainian, please) you go to, these are the numbers you will get.
            Example: http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/1594745

            2. Your link did not open for me (not the point, apparently you used a link to one of the reposts of this article: http://inpress.ua/ru/economics/14129-investitsii-i-perevody-v-ukrainu-s -lyubovyu
            ). Tricky article (my link), by the way, 33% are from Russia, 9% from the USA, 22% from the EU (and the countries given are strange, excluding Germany, Sweden, Norway, Poland, etc.). Okay, you want to use this data, let's use it, 100-33-22-9=36%. In this article, the author somehow forgot to mention where another 36% of transfers came from, and instead of statistics for the EU, he provides fragmentary data for only a few countries.
            (I’m sorry that I can’t open the NBU link to the NBU data now, apparently the article was moved somewhere, or simply removed... Perhaps you, if you really want to, will be able to find the full article, and not an excerpt, after which you will summarize the data By all EU countries and compare with Russia...)

            3. I gave a typical example, and did not go away from the topic (what topic? - that the oligarchs, connected with Russia by economic interests, employ people, which means they depend on Russia, because the oligarchs depend on Russia? - who can argue with that? ).
            As for what the EU demands from Ukraine, and what Russia demands from Ukraine, I personally do not have first-hand data. (For that matter, in Ukraine even the data on the cost of gas purchased from Russia is classified. Fuck the conspirators, Russia published this data anyway.) In any case, it’s just a play on words, who is better and who is worse , from my point of view, for Ukraine, right now both the EU and the CU are equally bad (why? - I already wrote - except for the IT industry, the sale of raw materials, and partly the food industry, the remaining industries of Ukraine will not withstand competition in any of these unions .)

            4. Excuse me, but you haven’t heard because you don’t work in IT, or you just haven’t heard?

            In any case, you raised a very interesting question:
            Contribution to the country's GDP is about 5% (http://biz.liga.net/all/it/novosti/2330791-rynok-it-v-ukraine-sostavlyaet-bolee
            -4-6-vvp-inau.htm)
            - accurate data will be based on the results of 2013 and not earlier (legislation has changed, but unlike previous years, it is for 2013 that the data can be summarized more or less accurately).
            Almost all software companies are represented in one way or another (from small and successful ones like Jelastic to Microsoft). And for that matter, the Russian 1C is also represented in Ukraine (probably the only IT company with Russian capital).

            And questions of significance, please leave aside, 5% of GDP, which grows from just one industry with minimal capital investment, is of course not as significant as unprofitable% of GDP from the same pipe rolling (oh, there will be funny statistics for 2013...). But again, you are again being led somewhere in the direction... the importance of the industry, “the West will help”... what is all this for?

            For me personally, European companies are an excellent example to follow (specifically in the IT field). And yes, specifically in this area, it is European companies that invest a lot of effort and money in the development of enterprises and caring for employees (I work in IT, I judge from both my experience and the experience of my colleagues).

            All your other questions are not related to the topic of the conversation, so I see no point in answering them.
            1. Net
              Net
              +2
              2 December 2013 17: 41
              5% is taking into account domestic companies. And still this is not much compared to mechanical engineering and metallurgy. The question now is them, they will suffer first of all.
              1. DimaGromyko
                0
                2 December 2013 22: 29
                Quote: Netto
                5% is taking into account domestic companies. And still this is not much compared to mechanical engineering and metallurgy. The question now is them, they will suffer first of all.

                I agree that this is not much... on the other hand, this is one industry (of many), and perhaps one of the few in Ukraine, where it is not big business that is represented, but that thin layer of the middle class that exists in society.
    2. +3
      2 December 2013 14: 18
      Apparently, you live in Sweden, so you can see this real Euro-EVIL every day in children's programs, where children (!) are shown their genitals and given appropriate explanations. I recently saw this disgusting thing on the news - I was amazed! These are degenerate countries, if you call a spade a spade. Such disgusting! And these people talk about “human rights”! To Ward No. 6 - forever, all your EU!
      1. DimaGromyko
        -2
        2 December 2013 15: 48
        I visit Sweden (and some other EU countries) only occasionally. I can’t judge objectively.
        Firstly, I also saw a lot of horror articles about gay couples adopting children, about the propaganda of various forms of sex, etc. The problem is that I have never seen what is described in these articles with my own eyes. I saw, for example, a couple where the child called his parents not “mom, dad”, but “parent” or simply by name - it hurt my ears, but this is the only fact from all the articles that I came across.

        Secondly, I read and heard a lot of horror stories about gays. But if I met them in Europe, I either couldn’t recognize them, or they were isolated cases somewhere on the street (in the sense I saw people who behave like Gays). I was much more confused by the “red light” areas, where even during daylight hours young ladies, hungry for either love or money, are ready to attack you from all sides ;)

        And so the people are very friendly, and the same Swedes, in terms of mentality, turned out to be very close to me (although they speak a different language).

        P.S. I’ll just give a couple of points that were done better in Europe than in Ukraine, and what’s interesting is that the question is again about mentality:
        1. Attitude at work towards employees who have children. Companies pay great attention to such employees: from gifts for any holiday for children, to additional services. days off and salary bonuses. - I especially emphasize that this is not a state program, and not some kind of obligation for enterprises - but rather an initiative of companies.
        2. Attitude towards women at work. - I have never witnessed any humiliation of women (even if in my understanding it is a “chicken without brains”). What’s curious is that I didn’t even see any hints towards sexual harassment (this is true - a stone in the garden of many Ukrainian companies, and especially government organizations).
        3. Cohesion of the residents of the house - well-groomed courtyards (and precisely by the residents), children's playgrounds in every yard. In general, it’s even nice to just look at it. (In my yard, with difficulty, 5 dads got together to install a playground... on which a couple of dozen children constantly play. But the only question was to install the already purchased playground for their own children!)
        4. Very polite drivers on the roads (though the roads are very good, and the fines are very large ;))

        I gave these examples because no one prevented anyone from organizing this themselves in/in Ukraine - no laws are needed, no EU/CU... but this does not exist, and most importantly, the vast majority will not do this even if you bring them “everything on a silver platter.” But to think about how scary it is in Russia/EU/USA, who is a drug addict/prostitute at the entrance, to pee nasty things on the Internet - so 90% of the country’s population are ready at least 24/7. And this is the saddest thing.
  73. DimaGromyko
    -1
    2 December 2013 13: 40
    I had no illusions that the meeting would be dispersed in the most offensive way. The country's leadership thinks too narrowly, so this was expected.
    I have no illusions about why the president is so torn between the CU and the EU. Not at all because he thinks about the good of the country and its people. To simplify everything very much, he is simply trying to sell Ukraine for as much as possible (and he doesn’t care who he sells it to, if Tomorrow the United States declares that they are ready to personally give the “Yanukovych family” 20 billion dollars for Ukraine to declare itself the 20th state - the very next day Ukraine will declare that this was precisely its goal for the last XNUMX years, and all those who disagree will either rot in prison or be dispersed with batons). But he already feels in his gut that his time has passed, so he rushes about in order to have time... to sell the most valuable prize he can sell.
    For a long time now I have no illusions about where all these billion-dollar loans will go (no matter who gives them). In any case, we are not talking about any modernization of production, much less its development. If only Russia could show this rotten essence of the Ukrainian government... however, I don’t believe that it will, in this matter we are fraternal peoples, and this is sad...
    1. +10
      2 December 2013 13: 58
      It was in vain that they strained and registered... A person with unwashed brains doesn’t even need to prove why TS is better than a rotten gay union. Better go watch the program that Swedish television shows. So the main characters are poop and a stream of urine. Very educational. Especially for those who dream of a gay union.
      1. DimaGromyko
        -3
        2 December 2013 14: 19
        Firstly, why did you decide that I dream about the EU?
        Yes, I believe that trade relations with the EU (indeed with any country) need to be developed, but, no matter how ironic it may sound, the reason given by Yanukovych for allocating a loan to Ukraine for the modernization of production is the reason why Ukraine is in the EU (however and only to a slightly lesser extent and in the TS) it is absolutely impossible. Most of the plants have reached the end of their production capacity, so they are not really competitive. But first you need to modernize production, and then rush into some kind of unions. And in Ukraine, loans are taken, stolen, and there has been no modernization of production (there are, but there are exceptions, I am only describing the general trend).

        Secondly, I’m not from Sweden, you don’t have to look at the flag (the error in determining my IP by the hosting of this site is forgivable).

        Thirdly, you are right, I really have NOT brainwashed (I haven’t watched TV for many years out of principle). That is why, unlike some visitors to this site, I have my own point of view, which I can justify. And not to be like a yard mongrel that barks at any passing caravan.

        P.S. Do you, sitting in Russia, think that you know something about Sweden? Better watch Zadornov, where he ridicules “stupid Americans” for believing that in Russia every family has its own nuclear reactor from which they distill moonshine, while a tame bear plays on a balalaika. And think about how different you are from the “stupid Americans” in your judgment of other nations.
        1. Kolovrat77
          +1
          2 December 2013 14: 38
          I’m embarrassed to ask, but you’re not writing from Poltava. Op, Swede and Poltava, Swede and Poltava, something inspired me, but you don’t have any associations, well, where are you from, you’re not Russian, but you’re not Swede either, which means some kind of third party. I have a hard time remembering the name Mazepa, but doesn’t it remind you of anything?
          1. DimaGromyko
            +1
            2 December 2013 15: 18
            Firstly, what does Poltava have to do with it? Do the military exploits of your ancestors haunt you? Or are you just itching to get into a fight?

            Secondly. Where did you get the idea that I’m not Russian? From the very beginning I indicated that I live in/in Ukraine. By nationality - Russian. My IP address can change eleven times a day (next time I’ll write from Britain, and then from Canada, then from Russia). Unlike most visitors to this resource, I see events with my own eyes, and not through the “distorting mirror of television.” And since so far I have had a very good attitude towards this site (many articles were actually written objectively, which is still a valuable rarity on the Internet), I was very upset by the one-sided presentation of information about current events in/in Ukraine. I really hope that this is an unfortunate coincidence... and not a new policy for this site.

            P.S. Before you get angry at the Ukrainians for some unknown reason, would you think that, apart from beautiful speeches about the importance of the Customs Union, the average Ukrainian even knows about the Customs Union and the EU? And what do you even know about the real situation in Ukraine?
            Not so long ago, Russia supported Yanukovych with all its might (actively supporting and highlighting the point of view of the eastern regions of Ukraine and silencing the opinion of the rest of the country, which supported anyone, but not a man with three convictions!). Why, when you began to realize what kind of person he is and what his goals are, do you take offense at ordinary Ukrainians? And yes, you remembered Mazepa well here - Russia once exalted him too, without thinking about the consequences...
            1. Kolovrat77
              +2
              2 December 2013 17: 02
              Yes, you killed me with Mazepa Dimarik, there’s no subtracting or adding to it, but otherwise, don’t talk nonsense, you understand everything about the war and about the bombing and about the big battleship Marat. The stakes are higher than ever. My wife is from Khersonshcheny, my mother-in-law has been calling for days now, the phone is red, so we hear something too. And notice in that comment I didn’t say a word about the Ukrainians, because Ukraine is Rus', and Rus' is still united in our hearts.
              1. DimaGromyko
                +2
                2 December 2013 17: 33
                Okay, you didn’t say anything personally, I apologize. The general trend of comments on the site had an effect (that’s how I reacted).

                As for the stakes, it’s a no-brainer that for Russia, Ukraine in the EU (or even worse, in NATO) is tantamount to putting a knife to the throat.

                And it’s also a no brainer that if in Russia everything is not as bad as in Ukraine in terms of predicting situations, then you have already thought through some measures and are preparing them.

                It’s just a pity that our government doesn’t give a damn about all this and ordinary people will suffer (as at the same rally in Kyiv).

                Personally, my indignation is caused by the fact that on Russian websites, hysteria towards Ukraine is being massively whipped up. Not in relation to the Ukrainian government, not in relation to Ukrainian politicians who are deliberately playing with fire, but rather towards the entire country as a whole. And this is precisely what cannot lead to anything good in the foreseeable future.

                P.S. Now, if near Smolensk you had so successfully landed not the Poles, but ours... - I think you not only wouldn’t have to apologize, but you would also erect a monument to the “liberators.” And now, Yanukovych is singing to the Europeans about Terrible Russia (and how he is almost at war with all of Russia with his bare hands), and you are also playing along with him.
                1. ed65b
                  -1
                  2 December 2013 20: 58
                  Quote: DimaGromyko
                  P.S. Now, if near Smolensk you had so successfully landed not the Poles, but ours... - I think you not only wouldn’t have to apologize, but you would also erect a monument to the “liberators.”

                  I wanted to tell you that you and the moderators won’t give it, so I’m saying that I’m not a smart person. If you say so and think about the Russians.
                  1. DimaGromyko
                    0
                    2 December 2013 22: 46
                    About rossIan I write exactly what I think (and so far I have never insulted Russia or Russians). It’s just that your aggressive attitude does not allow you to see what exactly I think.

                    At this point, finally there are 10 comments, I can downvote this article. Since it would be difficult to find such a crude example of “divide and conquer” in relation to Russia and Ukraine as this article.
                    1. ed65b
                      0
                      2 December 2013 23: 35
                      Dima I won’t downvote you. Because there is no point in this. We break spears here for one simple reason. Ukraine and Russia are twin sisters, artificially separated, and what’s more, they are also fooled, only not by Russians, but by Ukrainians. Do you think that if we were together, we wouldn’t share our last shirt with you or break a piece of bread in half? That we have always treated you as forced people? We are sincerely sorry that instead of being close to us, you persistently hit us in the face.
                      1. DimaGromyko
                        +2
                        3 December 2013 00: 07
                        Quote: ed65b
                        Dima I won’t downvote you.

                        Don't be shy, I rarely comment on anything. And the rating on this site interests me the least.

                        Quote: ed65b
                        Do you think that if we were together, we wouldn’t share our last shirt with you or break a piece of bread in half?

                        Ten years ago, I could have confidently answered that you would share. Now, alas, this is not true for all regions of Russia.

                        Quote: ed65b
                        We break spears here for one simple reason. Ukraine and Russia are twin sisters artificially separated and not only that, but also fooled just not the Russians and Ukrainians.
                        ...
                        How we've always treated you What about forced people? We are sincerely sorry that instead of being close to us, you persistently hit us in the face.

                        You apparently really don’t understand how ironic these words sound for so many Ukrainians. And I doubt that I am the one who can explain this to you.

                        Have a good night.
    2. In the book
      0
      2 December 2013 13: 59
      Quote: DimaGromyko
      ...I haven't had any illusions for a long time...

      Thank you, Dmitry. I experience the same feelings, and I agree with you. Taking off my hat hi
      1. xan
        -1
        2 December 2013 21: 48
        Quote: Libr
        Thank you, Dmitry. I experience the same feelings, and I agree with you. Taking off my hat

        I still don’t understand what this Dima wanted to say? Does he really think that Russians know nothing about life in Europe? He doesn’t like our media, but he can calmly evaluate his own media?
        Ukrainian Europeans with an unclouded consciousness and rightness with a sign of quality hesitated.
        1. DimaGromyko
          +1
          2 December 2013 23: 34
          Ok, I'll try again (hopefully for the last time):

          1. I am not going to evaluate the work of the media (no matter Ukrainian, Russian or any other). Because they are valuable only in the reliability, quality and style of presentation of the information provided. But I was upset that this information resource, about which I (at least for now) have a high opinion, provides information exclusively in one and very strictly politicized manner about current events in/in Ukraine. This is purely my personal opinion and that’s all.

          2. I'm not going to prove that all Russians know nothing about Europe. But honestly, from the comments of some users it is immediately clear that they really only know about Europe from articles, and sometimes you can even immediately tell from the articles of which websites. And from the outside it looks no less funny than fairy tales about walking tame bears on Red Square.
          And so, of course, every country has its problems....

          3. I tried to say that Ukrainian politicians (both from the ruling party and from the opposition) have long been living in their own imaginary world. They didn’t care about the Ukrainian people from a very high bell tower (and they didn’t ask the will of the people). For them, joining the EU/CU is a matter of purely monetary reward (which will be plundered 100%). Ukraine is full of people who want to join the CU\EU or not join anywhere at all, but in the overwhelming majority these are just emotions, since only a few in the country understand what the EU\CU is, and in which direction the changes in the country will go after joining such a union. The vast majority of Ukrainian industry is not ready for competition in the CU/EU environment, and it doesn’t matter who we join now, because if we do this now, the state is guaranteed to destroy the remnants of its own economy. But at the same time, there is no way out of the vicious circle - credit->deriban->credit, and therefore it is not known when our industry will be ready for any of these unions (perhaps when it dies completely. ..). And yes, if the Russians had helped get rid of the local gang in our government (and the opposition would have been taken away along with these troglodytes), and helped put at least a couple of people in the leadership of the country, like your president, then the best fraternal help could be imagined would be impossible. In the meantime, everything is turning out the other way around: the current government became effective with very powerful support from Russia, and it is Russia that continues to support it. And it is precisely this fact that is creating a rift between our peoples more and more.

          P.S. This and my other posts are purely my personal opinion.
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    2 December 2013 14: 25
    What does his heart calm down? The European Union will start avenging the “Yanukovych regime”, in fact, has already begun to avenge, sending its zapadenskuyu “fifth column” to euromaidans. Yanukovych will apparently continue to pursue a situational "multi-vector" policy, and will fall deeper and deeper, and will repeat, in the end, the fate of President Kuchma. When the authority of the central authority in Ukraine falls to the level of the plinth, the States, the ideological inspirer of the Eastern Partnership policy, are unlikely to escape the temptation to repeat the “controlled chaos” in Ukraine - the new Orange Revolution. The hands of the European Union. If “peacefully” it is impossible to lay Ukraine in American hands, it means that you will get Orange chaos.

    Already the latest events on the Maidan have “alarmed” Europe:
    "The EU takes a neutral position, but believes that those responsible for the excessive use of force should be punished. If the country's leadership does not do this, the European Union has its own means..." They don’t notice this in their own country, or don’t want to notice it (they are a civilized community). The main thing is that there would be a reason to “put pressure” on the leadership of Ukraine. It didn’t work out with “persuasion and propaganda”, they “paid” for the Maidan (where did the students get the money to “stand”?). It didn’t work out - to be continued... The masks were dropped, they were counting on:
    1) Sales markets (we need to fight the crisis somehow. Goods need to be sold somewhere)
    2) Access to resources (including strategic ones)
    3) Break into the huge Russian market. If that doesn’t work out, then accuse the Russian Federation of violating WTO regimes, subsequently turning to political claims.
    They have already “rubbed their hands”, expecting to receive about 4 billion euros from Ukraine within 5-130 years. But that was not the case - that was the negative reaction of the union members. You can understand, for example, Germany, where unemployment is 48,7%. Every second able-bodied German receives state subsidies, but where does the money come from? Other countries would also like to solve “their problems”
    1. +2
      2 December 2013 14: 32
      Quote: vlad.svargin
      1) Sales markets (we need to fight the crisis somehow. Goods need to be sold somewhere)

      What goods? What is Europe not currently selling on the territory of Ukraine? At the same time, the vast majority of European manufactured goods are EXPENSIVE. And a poor country, even with Credits (how do you imagine this by the way?) will not save the EU
      Quote: vlad.svargin
      2) Access to resources (including strategic ones)

      What strategic resources are currently limited access to in Ukraine for foreign investors?
      Quote: vlad.svargin
      3) Break into the huge Russian market. If that doesn’t work out, then accuse the Russian Federation of violating WTO regimes, subsequently turning to political claims.
      What does Ukraine have to do with the Russian Market? And why does the EU no longer trade directly with the Russian Federation? At the same time, the EU should be more concerned about China.

      Quote: vlad.svargin
      You can understand, for example, Germany, where unemployment is 48,7%

      Where did you get this? In the EU, the highest unemployment is in Spain and Portugal, but even there there are no such figures.
      Quote: vlad.svargin
      where to get the money from?

      Really from Ukraine?
      Quote: vlad.svargin
      “paid” for the Maidan (where did the students get the money to “stand”?)

      Yesterday there were more than 1.5 million people, all paid?
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        2 December 2013 14: 55
        What goods? What is Europe not currently selling on the territory of Ukraine? At the same time, the vast majority of European manufactured goods are EXPENSIVE. And a poor country, even with Credits (how do you imagine this by the way?) will not save the EU

        You have some kind of confusion and ignorance of economics. Do you think about what happens to a country with a negative trade balance and an obviously much weaker economy when it opens its markets to EU countries with more competitive economies? When protective import duties can no longer help Ukrainian producers sell their products within the country. And exports to EU countries are artificially limited by this very Association Agreement for our strongest industries, the same with agriculture. Don’t be lazy, read how much Europe allows us to export wheat and so on. It is unrealistic to compete with Europe with the current state of industry and agriculture. The total cost of modernization is estimated at 160 billion euros. And what did Europe give them? No and no. This is not in the EU's interests. They don't need competitors, but markets.
        1. +2
          2 December 2013 15: 03
          Quote: Netto
          You have some kind of confusion and ignorance of economics. Think about it,

          It’s strange, why didn’t you answer the direct question? But you mentioned the confusion.
          Quote: Netto
          When protective import duties can no longer help Ukrainian producers sell their products within the country

          What exactly are the goods? Which EU products will become cheaper than our analogues without protective duties?
          Quote: Netto
          The total cost of modernization is estimated at 160 billion euros

          This is a fairy tale by the way.
          Quote: Netto
          And exports to EU countries are artificially limited by this very Association Agreement for our strongest industries, the same with agriculture

          Is he LIMITED now? Haven’t you signed anything yet?
          Quote: Netto
          They don't need competitors, but markets.

          This is the second time - they need sales markets. What, after Ukraine’s accession to the WTO, cannot the EU sell in Ukraine?
          1. Net
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            2 December 2013 16: 33
            What products? It’s time to talk not about goods, but about the industries that will suffer the most: agriculture, mechanical engineering, the auto industry. 160 billion fairy tales? How many then are not fairy tales? Are you so offended by the amount, or do you think that we are not lagging behind Europe in terms of wear and tear on fixed assets? What the EU cannot sell in Ukraine after the latter joins the WTO. The answer is simple: everything that is regulated by the WTO conditions, which are far from the duty-free “zero” from the association.
            1. +1
              2 December 2013 16: 50
              Quote: Netto
              Agriculture,

              Now in Germany milk is cheaper than in Ukraine. Is this normal in your opinion? And by the way, what kind of protective duty is there that they don’t bring it to Ukraine?
              Quote: Netto
              engineering

              This is a rather controversial question - do we really have such a capacious market that Ukrainian manufacturers live on the domestic market?
              Quote: Netto
              automotive industry

              Well, I won’t really miss Slavuta. And again, will MAN really cost less than Kraz?
              Quote: Netto
              160 billion fairy tales? How many then are not fairy tales? Are you so offended by the amount, or do you think that we are not lagging behind Europe in terms of wear and tear on fixed assets?
              Is this a government problem? These are the problems of private entrepreneurs, business owners. And they will take out loans from commercial banks. Some, without waiting to join the association, modernize their production and receive certificates.

              Quote: Netto
              What the EU cannot sell in Ukraine after the latter joins the WTO. The answer is simple: everything that is regulated by the WTO conditions, which are far from the duty-free “zero” from the association.

              and specifically? what doesn’t sell? or sells at what percentage more expensive?

              But in fact, there are no specifics. And now people stand not for the economy, but for standards and universal human rights.
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                2 December 2013 17: 15
                I don't know about milk. As for industry, you are right, exports are a significant source of income, but where do these exports go? To the CU countries - Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus. I myself work at a railway engineering company, I know what I’m talking about. And I know the quality of casting and metalworking products offered by the Czech Republic and France. Technologies are on a completely different level, only the price saves you from them. And no one will give or sell us technology. And standing on the maydaun for universal human values ​​is simply ridiculous. Is it that Tyagnibok’s fascists have gathered in the EU? Show off in SS jackets? Stand on the Maidan as much as you like, wait for the guy from the EU with standards and common humanity, gays, juvenile justice, forward to the EU!
                1. +3
                  2 December 2013 17: 25
                  Quote: Netto
                  I don't know about milk

                  And I know. And I know how the price is formed for the Ukrainian consumer.
                  Quote: Netto
                  To the CU countries - Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus. I myself work at a railway engineering company, I know what I’m talking about

                  What can I say, I sympathize. Have you heard that Uralvagonzavod ended the year with losses? And Ukrainian cars were mentioned as the reasons? The Russian Federation is building replacement capacity in all respects, and even joining the CU of Ukraine will not stop this.
                  Quote: Netto
                  And no one will give or sell us technology.

                  Why do you think so? What won’t they sell? If you have a good business plan, then you can take out a loan. But if there are no prospects, then technology is not needed.
                  Quote: Netto
                  And standing on the maydaun for universal human values ​​is simply ridiculous
                  It’s strange that a person from Ukraine has a lot of appeals to the court in Strasbourg, don’t you think this is a hint? Or maybe a European official takes more bribes than ours?

                  Quote: Netto
                  Is it that Tyagnibok’s fascists have gathered in the EU? Show off in SS jackets?

                  there aren't many like that
                  Quote: Netto
                  Stand on the Maidan as much as you like, wait for the guy from the EU with standards and common humanity, gays, juvenile justice, forward to the EU!

                  Well, as I understand it, you are personally waiting for Stalin and the return of the criminal article for sodomy?
                  1. +1
                    2 December 2013 17: 49
                    Quote: Kars
                    Kars


                    I won't copy all the text......
                    Here are just the conclusions:
                    Conclusions

                    Let us risk drawing some final conclusions about the consequences that the signing of free trade agreements with the EU will have for Ukraine.

                    1. Ukraine is unlikely to be able to benefit significantly from the abolition by EU countries of duties on imports of goods from our country. For agricultural and food products, Europe has set quotas for us on duty-free imports that are too low, and as for raw materials and metallurgy, there are basically no duties in these industries anyway.
                    2. Our country’s abolition of export duties on raw materials exported to Europe will have a negative impact on domestic industry. This measure will facilitate the export of raw materials from Ukraine, which will create problems, in particular, for the metallurgical and food industries.

                    3. Ukraine is almost completely abolishing duties on the import of goods from the EU, which will create serious problems for Ukrainian manufacturers. In particular, we can expect that enterprises involved in the production of clothing, furniture, food, mechanical engineering, and so on will begin to experience the most serious problems.

                    4. Revenues of the state budget of Ukraine will seriously decrease due to the abandonment of import and export duties. Thus, just because of the abolition of duties on the export of ferroalloys and rapeseed, the state budget will annually lose more than two billion hryvnias per year.

                    Thus, our country’s economy is unlikely to receive tangible benefits from the signing of this agreement, but will face a number of risks, the consequences of which can be very, very sad.



                    here is a link where all this is written http://minprom.ua/digest/131099.html
                    If you're interested, read it, otherwise you look like an unenlightened person!
                    One thing is surprising......Russians know what is written in the document on the association of Ukraine in the EU more than those whom they want to associate, that is, Ukrainians
                    1. +1
                      2 December 2013 17: 59
                      Quote: dm98
                      One thing is surprising......Russians know what is written in the document on the association of Ukraine
                      Quote: dm98
                      http://minprom.ua/digest/131099.html

                      so what? Does it say what kind of goods will go to Ukraine?
                      By the way, you're a wreck
                      Quote: vlad.svargin
                      2) Access to resources (including strategic ones)

                      But the nuance is that Ukrainian importers in Europe... do not pay import duties on many of these goods.


                      So we sort it out and we sort it out. But the Customs Union also cancels internal duties among themselves - and claims that this is beneficial.
                      1. +2
                        2 December 2013 19: 31
                        Quote: Kars
                        Quote: dm98
                        One thing is surprising......Russians know what is written in the document on the association of Ukraine
                        Quote: dm98
                        http://minprom.ua/digest/131099.html

                        so what? Does it say what kind of goods will go to Ukraine?


                        )))))Have you read it???! That's right.....why?))))))))))))

                        Okay...Have you heard about the quotas that the European Union imposes on your goods? What about the quotas that “Ukraine” (the European Union) introduces on its goods from Europe?
                        Let me explain.
                        In the first case, they are scanty, sometimes TENS of times less than what Ukraine currently supplies! In the second case they are practically absent.

                        Now about modernization
                        Quote: Kars
                        Is this a government problem? These are problems of private entrepreneurs, business owners.
                        Guess who will pay for this)))))), that’s right YOU and other Ukrainians, and then when you modernize production, the European Union will introduce those same quotas against you. But this is provided that there is still someone to work at this enterprise, because modernization is modernization and you always want to eat.

                        Quote: Kars
                        Some, without waiting to join the association, modernize their production and receive certificates.
                        if they bake pies, then probably changing the type of flour is not a problem. But what if they produce airplanes? Or engines for helicopters? Do you really think that in such production it is possible to quickly and painlessly switch to new standards (consider new components). This kind of production will die!

                        Of course you can object
                        Quote: Kars
                        And again, does MAN really need to cost less than Kraz?

                        Now you can buy MAN instead of Kraz, but then you simply won’t be able to because there won’t be any “purchases”. Your salary is paid right off the bat! and if he doesn’t, he won’t be able to earn any money!
                        So they will build a MAN screwdriver assembly in Ukraine, in old KRAZ buildings, and you will screw the wheels, only your salary will be enough only for stale Polish bread!
                        Why only for bread?! Yes, because you will be a cheap slave force, otherwise they won’t build a MAN branch for fastening wheels in Ukraine, but will build it in Poland!
                        Now why callous!
                        but because, again, there won’t be any money for fresh goods, and Poland will need to dump stale goods somewhere, fortunately quotas will allow it!

                        Now why Polish!
                        Yes, because your farmer did not have time (before European integration) to buy a KRAZ and now he needs to try hard with a HOLE in his hands to save up for MAN! And anyway, you don’t have money for his fresh bread, because he grows it with a hoe, and hoees are a rarity now, since they switched to European standards, and it’s troublesome.....with a hoe! They don’t take his delicious bread to Poland either..... because he already sold two rolls this year, he can’t do any more, because there are quotas!

                        Well, for a snack on the May holidays, you and your children will go to demonstrations, only you will look not at the strongholds and brave soldiers under the yellow blockade banner, but at people of unknown gender, strange to your children (still strange), people under rainbow banners! And then, damn it, your child will ask: “Dad, who is this?” and you won’t even be able to name them 3,14...you yourself won’t be able to name them, because again, European integration.....its mother

                        So intelligible????!!!! Dear Kars!
                      2. +2
                        2 December 2013 20: 26
                        Quote: dm98
                        Okay.... We heard about the quotas that the European Union imposes on your goods

                        Do you think quotas are once and for all? And they cannot change?
                        Quote: dm98
                        Guess who will pay for this)))))), that’s right YOU and other Ukrainians,

                        What happens differently? But there are still decent chances to win back on foreign consumers
                        Quote: dm98
                        and then when you modernize production, the European Union will introduce those same quotas against you.

                        Why?
                        Quote: dm98
                        What if they produce planes?
                        And with this, the MARKET itself dictates modernization, and not necessarily under the European Union. I have not yet heard that the European Union will be able to ban the export of something to third countries.

                        Quote: dm98
                        This kind of production will die!
                        If it doesn’t find markets, it will die, and if the quality doesn’t improve, it will also die. And again, Ukraine’s entry into the Customs Union will not stop Klimovsk Motors.

                        Quote: dm98
                        Now you can buy MAN instead of Kraz, but then you simply won’t be able to because there won’t be any “purchases”

                        we prefer Scania used. And as for the purchases, there are no purchases and there is no trial; by the way, this will not bring any benefit to the EU either.
                        Quote: dm98
                        So they will build a MAN screwdriver assembly in Ukraine, in the old KRAZ bodies, and you will screw the wheels
                        You are retelling the history of the development of the Russian automobile industry. And the Ukrainian automotive market is not so big that we could build a Manov assembly line here.


                        Quote: dm98
                        ?! Yes, because you will be a cheap slave force

                        And now what about my dear))) well, you’re a joker.
                        Quote: dm98
                        Yes, because your farmer did not have time (before European integration) to buy a KRAZ and now he needs to try hard with a HOLE in his hands to save up for MAN!

                        Farmers usually don’t drive Maz/Kraz cars themselves—grain trucks from grain buyers.
                        Quote: dm98
                        European integration.....her mother

                        So intelligible??

                        And if you replace European integration with the Customs Union, will something change?
                        But you should be storytellers as writers. You probably believe more than half of them yourself?
                      3. +2
                        2 December 2013 20: 39
                        Quote: Kars
                        And if you replace European integration with the Customs Union, will something change?
                        But you should be storytellers as writers. You probably believe more than half of them yourself?

                        The economies of the two countries of Belarus and Latvia will tell you the advantageous difference between the CU and the EU most eloquently =)
                      4. +2
                        2 December 2013 20: 41
                        Quote: brainkiller
                        The economies of the two countries of Belarus and Latvia will tell you the advantageous difference between the CU and the EU most eloquently =)

                        Tell us? Average salary. Minimum salary. Living wage. GDP per capita. GDP growth over the last three years?
                      5. +4
                        2 December 2013 21: 04
                        Quote: Kars
                        Quote: brainkiller
                        The economies of the two countries of Belarus and Latvia will tell you the advantageous difference between the CU and the EU most eloquently =)
                        Tell us? Average salary. Minimum salary. Living wage. GDP per capita. GDP growth over the last three years?

                        Kars!
                        You're a smart man...
                        Well, why are you so stubborn?
                        After all, the madhouse that is now happening in Kyiv was not created by us - Russian forum members, and not even by the GDP.
                      6. +1
                        2 December 2013 21: 20
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Well, why are you so stubborn?

                        It’s a pity I thought there would be a comparison between Lithuania and Belarus.
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        After all, the madhouse that is now happening in Kyiv was not created by us - Russian forum members, and not even by the GDP.

                        No need to be modest. They helped a little. Especially VVP and Glazyev. Not to mention why Poroshenko is so tense)))

                        And a little more about Western money - on Saturday our truck delivers fresh products to Kyiv. Half a ton of lactic acid products was taken to the Maidan by personal order of Gena (general director),
                      7. +1
                        2 December 2013 22: 31
                        Quote: Kars
                        Kars

                        Hmmm!

                        Well good luck to you and your country
                        God grant that everything turns out as you say!
                        But you argue with obvious facts and you yourself know that you are wrong.
                        The only question is why are you arguing?

                        PS Today Saakashvili arrived in Ukraine! Now the whole of Georgia will recognize your fermented milk products
                      8. +2
                        2 December 2013 22: 39
                        Quote: dm98
                        Well good luck to you and your country

                        It would have been sincerely said.

                        Quote: dm98
                        But you argue with obvious facts and you yourself know that you are wrong.

                        I know that everything is much more complicated than you imagine, but you need to somehow prove that I’m wrong. But how will you do this?
                        Quote: dm98
                        The only question is why are you arguing?

                        Just like that. There are too many geopoliticians and economists who have developed here, who know everything - and for some reason the Russian Federation sells raw materials instead of selling only the final product. And your economic miracle is not visible.
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                        2 December 2013 23: 49
                        Quote: Kars
                        It would be sincerely said

                        Believe me, this is said sincerely, in principle I cannot wish harm on Ukraine, My dear aunt is in Lvov, and my last name is ..... Enko
                        Quote: Kars
                        I know that everything is much more complicated than you imagine, but you need to somehow prove that I’m wrong. But how will you do this?

                        I don’t want to prove it, I don’t see the point, I really don’t understand why many Ukrainians are so stubborn? For me, the facts that I gave you are obvious, I don’t see anything significant against
                        Quote: Kars

                        Just like that. There are too many geopoliticians and economists who have developed here, who know everything - and for some reason the Russian Federation sells raw materials instead of selling only the final product. And your economic miracle is not visible.

                        I don’t consider myself a geopolitician, much less an economist, I’m a simple, or rather not a simple, engineer))), in a Russian manufacturing company!
                        There will be no economic miracle, since in Russia they steal sooooo much and at all levels, however, GDP growth is not associated only with the export of energy resources.
                        I’ll be honest, my standard of living has increased over the past 5 years! The standard of living of my parents - pensioners, too, not so much, but still. For reference, everyone’s pension is about 12000 rubles, I think in Ukraine not everyone has such a salary. I won’t even talk about my salary......It’s better in Europe anyway))))
                      10. +3
                        3 December 2013 00: 04
                        Quote: dm98
                        Believe me, this is said sincerely,

                        no I do not believe.
                        Quote: dm98
                        I don’t want to prove it, I don’t see the point, I really don’t understand why many Ukrainians are so stubborn?

                        Why did you decide that you are right if you don’t want to prove anything? Maybe we should be surprised at your stubbornness?
                        Quote: dm98
                        For me, the facts that I gave you are obvious
                        It may be obvious, but not factual. If everything were so obvious, there would be no point in the Association.
                        Quote: dm98
                        I don’t consider myself a geopolitician, much less an economist, I’m a simple, or rather not a simple, engineer))), in a Russian manufacturing company!
                        And it seems like he knows everything best.

                        Quote: dm98
                        There will be no economic miracle, since in Russia they steal sooooo much and at all levels, however, GDP growth is not associated only with the export of energy resources.
                        I liked it - not only... but how much not only related?

                        Quote: dm98
                        I’ll be honest, my standard of living has increased over the past 5 years!
                        What if I say that mine has also grown over the last 8 years?
                        Quote: dm98
                        For reference, everyone’s pension is about 12000 rubles, I think in Ukraine not everyone has such a salary
                        How is this in a consumer context? What is the cost of living for a pensioner?
                        By the way, with the Russian Federation’s savings in US Treasury securities, the pension could have been larger.
                        Quote: dm98
                        .It’s better in Europe anyway))))

                        I don’t know. I’m more concerned about what will happen in Ukraine. And don’t you want to make a direct connection with Ukraine’s entry into the Customs Union with an increase in the pensions of Ukrainian pensioners to the level of Russian ones? For example, I don’t talk about pensions in the EU. I can’t even bring up the average life expectancy in EU and RF.
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                    2 December 2013 17: 51
                    Nobody will sell the key technologies, and what does the business plan have to do with it? Buy the finished product, that’s the answer! To me personally, the universal human values ​​and values ​​of the EU are unacceptable. And no EU will force people not to take bribes, only your conscience and responsibility. And if it doesn’t exist, then you can rely on the EU, only they don’t need such slaves there. Thank God, we won’t see Geyropa. And I respect Stalin.
              2. +3
                2 December 2013 17: 51
                “Is this a government problem? These are problems of private entrepreneurs”

                Isn’t the death of economic sectors and crowds of unemployed a state problem?

                Slavuta has producers and buyers. Some will lose their salaries, others will not receive cars. The German guy who offers to borrow the car will win... And how will we pay in the end? Earth?

                Milk in Europe is quite old, but we are being asked to refuse even small subsidies. The German uncle wins, our farmer smokes bamboo, we drink German milk... for a while. And then the same thing - bamboo, and we begin to think, maybe it wasn’t necessary...? By the way, the milk is most likely crap.

                Then it will be, as in the joke: “...and the hares died, and in front of the guys, it somehow didn’t work out.”
                1. +2
                  2 December 2013 18: 15
                  Quote: Netto
                  No one will sell key technologies

                  On what basis do you draw this conclusion? Have you tried to buy something? and they refused?
                  Quote: Netto
                  Buy the finished product, that’s the answer!

                  Is that what CNC machine manufacturers say?
                  Quote: Netto
                  To me personally, the universal human values ​​and values ​​of the EU are unacceptable.

                  Well, maybe they are not acceptable to you personally, but others live.
                  Quote: Netto
                  . And no EU will force people not to take bribes, only your conscience and responsibility
                  Are Europeans more conscientious?

                  Quote: Rubs
                  Isn’t the death of sectors of the economy and the crowd of unemployed a state problem?

                  Everyone can be hired to build the Uzhgorod-Kharkov river canal without the use of excavators. And the economy must be in demand, or stamp galoshes into a warehouse like in the USSR.
                  Quote: Rubs
                  Slavuta has producers and buyers

                  I am from Zaporozhye - there are no special buyers anymore. It was when loans were distributed.
                  Quote: Rubs
                  The German uncle who offers to borrow the car will win..
                  What makes you think that he will offer on credit? And do you think it will be cheaper than Slavuta? For our automakers, no matter how protective duties you impose, it will still not be enough.

                  Quote: Rubs
                  Milk in Europe is quite old, but we are being asked to refuse even small subsidies.

                  Subsidies have not been seen in milk for several years now, it’s just a fraud.
                  Quote: Rubs
                  German uncle wins, our farmer smokes bamboo, we drink German milk
                  Our farmer can start doing something else, and it will be even better if he can get access to cheaper loans, and not what he has now.

                  Quote: Rubs
                  By the way, the milk is most likely crap.
                  You don’t really know what you’re drinking now; even grandmas have learned how to drink it.

                  Quote: Rubs
                  Then it will be, as in the joke: “...and the hares died, and in front of the guys, it somehow didn’t work out.”
                  That’s why the government should work. And Yanukovych drove him away - it was necessary to start dismantling the agreement earlier, and not a week before signing.
  75. -1
    2 December 2013 14: 36
    Quote: Cherdak
    Quote: GUSAR
    They want to be independent - for God's sake, only at their own expense !!!


    They just don't want to be independent, but quickly lie under the EU! For "European salaries and pensions." Where does this nonsense come from - a question for the local media and various nongovernmental groups sucking foreign money.

    Of course, it would be optimal to let the Ukrainians join this "line", and then create a drain of the remaining bright brains, but it will obviously not work out in a kind way. "Svidomo" even a count on his head amuse, but Russia will always be to blame.

    In one I completely agree that present-day Ukraine is a non-state, a patchwork entity that centripetal forces will tear apart. And the sooner, the better for the population.



    Why dove runs east. All homosexuals are in the West. Swap places.
  76. -1
    2 December 2013 14: 36
    Quote: Cherdak
    Quote: GUSAR
    They want to be independent - for God's sake, only at their own expense !!!


    They just don't want to be independent, but quickly lie under the EU! For "European salaries and pensions." Where does this nonsense come from - a question for the local media and various nongovernmental groups sucking foreign money.

    Of course, it would be optimal to let the Ukrainians join this "line", and then create a drain of the remaining bright brains, but it will obviously not work out in a kind way. "Svidomo" even a count on his head amuse, but Russia will always be to blame.

    In one I completely agree that present-day Ukraine is a non-state, a patchwork entity that centripetal forces will tear apart. And the sooner, the better for the population.



    Why dove runs east. All homosexuals are in the West. Swap places.
  77. 0
    2 December 2013 15: 01
    in such cases, strong politicians are always put forward, and here is the second repetition))))
    This morning I watched Klitschko speak in abstruse words regarding European integration... gentlemen, it’s like an athlete who beat his head off all his life has now become a cool politician. Well, if he is such a serious fighter, let him show himself how to fight with representatives of the secret service?
    another point, here are the journalists. At least someone was able to ask normally what the people want? They are just showing people’s hysteria.
    p.s. There is no end in sight for Ukraine. will stand still, but will it just give it to those who so dream of getting to the political Olympus?
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  79. +6
    2 December 2013 15: 12
    Here is a reason for loudmouths eager to join the EU to think before it’s too late:-These are the requirements. European Union to Ukraine.
    1. Raise the retirement age by two years for men and three years for women. Eliminate the right to early retirement and the principle of counting a year as two in hazardous enterprises.
    2. Eliminate the institution of special pension benefits that are allocated to scientists, civil servants, and managers of state enterprises. Limit pensions for working pensioners. Set the retirement age for army officers to 60 years.
    3. Increase the price of gas for municipal enterprises by 50%, twice as much for private consumers. Increase the cost of electricity by 40%. Allow setting prices for housing and communal services. Allow prices to rise in line with the rise in gas prices. Increase the excise tax on gasoline by 60 euros.
    4. Cancel benefits and increase transport taxes by 50%. Do not increase the cost of living, balance the social situation through targeted subsidies.
    5. Privatize all mines and abolish all subsidies. Abolish benefits for housing and communal services enterprises, transport and other things. Cancellation of state support for free meals and textbooks.
    6. Limit the practice of simplified taxation. Abolish the practice of VAT exemption in rural areas. Oblige pharmacies and pharmacists to pay VAT.
    7. Cancel the moratorium on the sale of agricultural land. Eliminate subsidies for pork and chicken producers.
    8. Reduce the composition of ministries to 14. Leave only one deputy prime minister. Abolish the position of Minister of Cabinets. Subordinate all state bodies to ministries. The tax administration, customs, and the State Property Fund should be included in the Ministry of Finance.
    9. Limit excessive wages of public officials.
    10. Unemployment benefits should only accrue after a minimum period of six months of work. Pay sick leave at 70% of wages, but not below the subsistence level. Pay sick leave starting only from the third day of illness.
    Plus Crimea, property restitution, all industry, the countryside, there will be complete emigration of the working population.
    This is a “complete” ass, all you have to do is sell everything and love your homeland from a distance.
    1. +1
      2 December 2013 15: 39
      Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
      These are the requirements. European Union to Ukraine.

      Can I have a source?

      Otherwise it looks more like it was mixed with the terms of the IMF loan.
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  81. 0
    2 December 2013 15: 21
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inrgLRcA0Ns Очень советую посмотреть.Все верно и в самую точку.
  82. +2
    2 December 2013 15: 25
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    They beat a pregnant woman and a man on the back with a small child in his arms.

    What can he do there? normal pregnant woman and normal a man with a child in his arms? Of all the participants in our conversation, who of sound mind and good memory will climb into any a crowd in this position or with a child? And if the journalists were so worried, why didn’t they defend it, but filmed it?
  83. +2
    2 December 2013 15: 31
    Quote: Libr
    Quote: Bakht
    All Eastern Ukraine is a gift of the Bolsheviks to Ukraine. Kharkov, Donbass transferred to Ukraine after the Revolution. Everyone knows about Crimea

    Following your logic, you can first go to Kievan Rus, then to the Sarmatians, Scythians, etc. to Neanderthals or Adam and Eve, who believes in what.

    Art. 2 of the Constitution of Ukraine states:
    "The territory of Ukraine within the existing border is integral and inviolable"
    Accordingly, any fabrications about the territory are inappropriate.

    I did not intend to reach the Sarmatians. 50-100 years is quite acceptable and sufficient.

    As for the Constitution, I am simply delighted. Living in Azerbaijan, I also firmly believe in my Constitution. The problem is that her neighbors don't respect her. The Constitution of Ukraine must be respected by all neighbors. Then she's worth something. And without this little thing, as a single people, a strong state, the Constitution of any country is nothing more than a piece of paper. For some reason I am sure that the USSR also had a Constitution. But part of the territory of the USSR is already in the European Union.

    It's hard to hide behind the Constitution. This is not an argument.
    1. In the book
      0
      2 December 2013 16: 35
      Quote: Bakht
      The problem is that her neighbors don't respect her

      To my great regret, the Constitution of Ukraine is not respected by those in power.
      That's why:
      "Maemo te scho maemo" ("We have what we have") L. Kravchuk - the first president of Ukraine (1991-1994)
  84. +2
    2 December 2013 15: 39
    Quote: Kars
    What goods? What is Europe not currently selling on the territory of Ukraine? At the same time, the vast majority of European manufactured goods are EXPENSIVE. And a poor country, even with Credits (how do you imagine this by the way?) will not save the EU
    they are expensive only because they are subject to duty regulations and this gives a competitive advantage to domestic producers. As soon as the regulators are gone, goods will flood in at a lower cost than now. So think about what will happen to your farmers.
    And loans for modernization - if the EU is infinitely kind (and it is not), they will give you related loans - i.e. for example, the Germans will only give euros for the purchase of machine tools produced by the Germans. As a result, you will receive debts with a ghostly opportunity to pay off with goods, and the Germans will receive sold goods. The whole of Europe is on loans and works only to service its national debt. It’s like in the Russian Federation with a mortgage =) This fate was in store for you too.

    A lot has already been said here, by reading the comments you can put together a completely complete picture of what is happening =) Sorry if I repeated it somewhere.
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  86. +8
    2 December 2013 15: 42
    They really want it like 2004...The same “opposition” under the slogan “Against the Yanyk”, which is understandably close to the people and they are tired of him (it’s true) and his methods - they want to ascend the throne.
    Kyiv+Western Ukraine is again at the head...I compared how much Odessa+Kharkov+Dnepr+Crimea and the east of Ukraine “people gathered to create a Maidan”, well, maybe 5 thousand. Although maybe we went a few more to the capital.
    My opinion is the same methods in Egypt (social networks) - they search, they found 6 people with cool last names (as they joked correctly - with such last names, well, it’s just a shame not to get lost) and this is like the ultimate truth
    In one video they showed a toothless idiot who announced that in Poland for 10 UAH he would buy the same amount as here for 100 (I won’t comment - everyone has an Internet)
    I don’t know how to explain to people so as not to be pawns in a stupid game. After all, the path to hell is paved with good ideas! The slogan is good (the opposition uses it because it is more profitable to rouse the people) and on the wave of protest, ascend to the throne and do worse than in 2004! I don't like this scenario.
    Why is it that in Odessa everyone works calmly in the east (we also worked calmly all Saturday until night) in Crimea and in the south too - but our east is “politically active”.
    I personally am against the crowd in Kyiv and in the West deciding the fate of the country (no matter how good slogans they are guided by! - there is no common leader, there are leaders of the Western part)
    Now, if such Maidans (number) gathered in the East and South, I would believe that all of Ukraine, and the interests of the opposition are alien to me... I don’t want any Tyagnibok Yatsek and Farion with a boxer in power.
    Moreover...all Russians who are already dividing Ukraine into parts are a big fig! With butter, you look like vultures, like vultures! Excuse me, sit and divide...The Palmerstons are great! Should I give you a pencil? Don't forget to check the rubber...
    The slogans to introduce tanks are still good (some of ours want Amer’s, others T72 from the east) yes, you all are on fire... But you need not to support this - otherwise you can hear troops to send in troops... they have already brought in - Ruin 2 is called. Although there was, of course, a Civil War period, we don’t have it. This is not an option.
    In general, these are my emotions. In general, it’s calm in Odessa - we worked, rested and are now working. I don’t watch TV - I won’t fall for provocations after 2004.
    1. Akim
      +5
      2 December 2013 19: 59
      If only Yanyk tells the FAS, the outrageously simple working guys from the southeast will gather and come to Kyiv. The capital will fart from the multi-million dollar influx. I'm taking three more. They give me a trailer with an army tent for 10 people, a generator, a collapsible potbelly stove, sleeping bags and boxes of military rations for three days for ten people. The car is filled to the brim. There are two more cans of fuel for the remote generator. There is a set of “Russian baseball player” (3 bats and one ball).
      Today we spent the whole day preparing and fastening the tow bar, now we sit and wait.
      I’m not going for Yanyk, I don’t want delegated democracy in the form of Maidans, one part of the country to decide for another.
      And no one will pay me anything for it either. This is my life position.
      Called Donetsk today. Friends also prepare, just in case.
      We'll give Ukraine away to Bendery's flag!
      Let's see how intelligent Kyiv and Western Ukraine will withstand our worldview.
      Keep to the Kyiv entrances. Our people are not accustomed to going to dry toilets.
      1. +2
        2 December 2013 20: 28
        Stay strong brothers, we are with you in spirit!
      2. +5
        2 December 2013 20: 35
        Quote: Akim
        We'll give Ukraine away to Bendery's flag!
        Let's see how intelligent Kyiv and Western Ukraine will withstand our worldview.
        Keep to the Kyiv entrances. I’m not used to visiting people in dry closets.

        Good luck, bro!
        Kyiv is NOT the whole of Ukraine. But order needs to be restored there.
        Good luck again!!! hi
        1. Akim
          +3
          2 December 2013 20: 45
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Kyiv is NOT the whole of Ukraine. But order needs to be restored there.

          The main thing is that the President and the Supreme Council (in the form of communists and the Party of Regions) do not betray us. Otherwise, I myself will vote for early elections.
          Full support for Azarov's cabinet!
          1. +1
            2 December 2013 22: 54
            I’m surprised Akim, I thought that I was the only one for Azarov’s office (and even then I wasn’t right away)
            But I definitely didn’t expect it that much. He repeated my words directly for the Western crowd and the fate of the country.
            1. Akim
              +2
              2 December 2013 23: 03
              Quote: Cristall
              But I definitely didn’t expect it so much

              It's a matter of survival. They will remove Azarov’s office and that will be the end of power. The games are over. My friends went and sat there for a day. The asses and ovaries were frozen. They realized that they had more children to give birth to and went to Odessa.
              Now it’s our peasant business to get involved in the showdown.
              1. Akim
                +1
                2 December 2013 23: 19
                Here is a Western caricature. I don’t agree with her (it’s more likely that Europe was trying to steal Putin’s blanket), but this is how they picture the situation for themselves.
                Although you are right about that. that Ukraine and Russia and the EU are used as their cover.
                1. 0
                  3 December 2013 13: 17
                  In Russia, Ukrainians = Russians.
      3. Lesnik
        0
        2 December 2013 23: 24
        Will you live with me? drinks But about the entrances it was VERY in vain that they really got into it am
        1. Akim
          +1
          2 December 2013 23: 37
          Quote: Forestman
          Will you live with me?

          Thank you, but I have a lot of friends in Kyiv. However, I won’t live with them either. This is my civic position and there is no point in inciting them. If they had been allowed to blockade and encircle the city according to all the rules of a military siege (of course, without the use of force), Tyagnibok would have quickly realized that his service in the army was a game of school Lightning. They are blocking the Cabinet of Ministers.
          PS In order not to frighten ordinary Kiev residents, they will not feel it. All life support systems will operate normally, but strict controls will be introduced at the entrances to the city to block the work of opposition activists.
          1. Lesnik
            +2
            2 December 2013 23: 46
            The Cabinet of Ministers quarter CANNOT be blocked (they really want it for the picture on TV laughing ) but physically IT IS IMPOSSIBLE wink
            And if you shout and scream for CNN, they will “block” it laughing and the army hasn’t played these games for a long time since the 90s. Kim looks at things more critically laughing
            1. Akim
              +2
              2 December 2013 23: 54
              Quote: Forestman
              Kim looks at things more critically

              I agree, I am speaking more emotionally now. Both our and Western TV channels are fed up. But the Svoboda members see a picture that is positive for them and become even more impudent. Hackers temporarily brought down government websites as a sign of disagreement with the crackdown. I admit, on Saturday I was on their side. But then chaos ensued.
              1. Lesnik
                +1
                3 December 2013 00: 00
                Kim is the reality of political struggle in the global information space. Their task is to “turn a fly into an elephant”
                But the real situation is reminiscent of the joke about Petka and the karateka “What a fool you are with your bare heel on the saber.” laughing
  87. Cat
    +12
    2 December 2013 15: 46
    But I didn’t go to Euromaidan. Although I really wanted to, I didn’t go.
    Why didn't you go?
    Because I don’t have a machine gun.
    But if there was a machine gun... and thousands more cartridges... oooo... I would take all this stuff, get a job higher up - and hit the Euro-integrators. So kindly, with a big heart, to melt the trunk. Priority - on the podium, with Lutsyk-Yatsyk and other evil spirits, and then on whom God will send ballistics.
    And I'm more than sure that my country - Ukraine would only benefit from going to Maidan with a machine gun. Definitely.
    And all sorts of European commissioners and other Baltopoles (if they survive and get home) - then let them scream whatever they want and accuse them of whatever they want. At home, from your stands - please. But climbing to us is not a big deal.
    1. In the book
      +2
      2 December 2013 16: 38
      Viktor Fedorych, what are you?
      From Mezhizhopye?
      1. Cat
        +3
        2 December 2013 16: 44
        here is another example of how to “correctly” agitate for European integration.
        1. In the book
          +1
          2 December 2013 16: 59
          No, what are you talking about, you actually need to agitate like this:

          Quote: Cat
          if only there was a machine gun... and thousands more cartridges... oooo... I would take all this stuff, get a job higher up - and hit the Euro-integrators. So kindly, from a wide heart, to the melting trunk


          Quote: Cat
          next to whom God will send ballistics
          a machine gun, alas, does not roll... at least a couple of such armies, and even better - a powerful loaf of power for a couple of hundred megatons
          1. Cat
            +2
            2 December 2013 17: 16
            Quote: Libr
            No, what are you talking about, you actually need to agitate like this:

            I'm not campaigning. I don’t need either the EU or the Customs Union; Ukraine is enough for me. And I always thought: before meddling with my neighbors, it would be a good idea to first put things in order in my own house, and do it on my own. Yes, you can run to your neighbor for a broom or a hammer drill if you don’t have your own. But to combine apartments into communal apartments, and then take into account neighbor's opinion on which corner it should be in my bed - sorry, too much.
            But all these people who are on the Maidan - they went there specifically for communal services. And for a neighbor who will authoritatively point out - how right. Because I don’t have my own brains to figure it out.
            1. In the book
              +1
              2 December 2013 17: 52
              Quote: Cat
              I don't need either the EU or the CU

              Here I am about the same.
              Quote: Cat
              first put things in order in your own home, and do it yourself

              I certainly support your opinion.

              And here I disagree with you:
              Quote: Cat
              But all these people who are on the Maidan - they went there specifically for communal services. And for a neighbor who will authoritatively indicate what is correct. Because I don’t have my own brains to figure it out.

              You can't cut everyone with the same brush. Among half a million people you can find anyone you want. But you shouldn’t talk about everyone based on one example.
              1. Cat
                +4
                2 December 2013 18: 03
                Quote: Libr

                You can't cut everyone with the same brush. Among half a million people you can find anyone you want. But you shouldn’t talk about everyone based on one example.

                let's not talk about "half a million"...
                I didn’t count all these maydowns by head, and I don’t know the scientific method of determining the number of people in a crowd. But - I remember my service in the army, the size of our parade ground, and how much space the brigade occupied on it during formation. And based on these data, even taking into account the fact that the crowd will be denser than the formation - the number of people on the Maidan and adjacent squares does not amount to a hundred thousand in sales, it would be good if there were fifty dollars. What kind of “millions” are there...
                And as for the fact that not everyone there is “like that” - yes, there are plenty of “not like that” too. These are mostly students and other young people who don’t care what the Maidan is for, as long as they don’t have to go to school. And it wouldn’t hurt for them to have a line over their heads either - look, something smart would start up in those heads...
                1. In the book
                  +2
                  2 December 2013 18: 27
                  Quote: Cat
                  And it wouldn’t hurt for them to have a queue over their heads either

                  You are kind, however.
                  What if such a character appears there?
  88. +2
    2 December 2013 16: 16
    As my mother said today:
    - Son, how do you like the situation in Ukraine?! We went to manda again)))

    So there you go! Manda'n!!!!
    I have a question (rhetorical, of course):
    WHY DOESN’T THEY TELL ON UKRAINIAN TV ABOUT THE ASSOCIATION WITH THE EU?!
    After all, this utopian document completely destroys the country on economic, moral, managerial and other levels!!!
    Let people read for themselves what the gentlemen from the EU want to offer them! Let them realize that they are not going to be allowed into Europe just like that! They should study it themselves! Let the text of this association be pasted on every pillar! This is the only way to bring clarity to the mind of the average person!
    And everyone who is against statehood should be crushed with tanks and shot just like IN AMERICA!!!! After all, they are being destroyed. Those who pose a danger to the national interests of the country?! Let them do as the “true” SHITTY STATE suggests!!!!!
  89. 0
    2 December 2013 16: 17
    Quote: Cat
    Priority - on the podium, with Lutsyk-Yatsyk

    not a priority at all... so that even scraps are not found.

    Quote: Cat
    Well, then who will God send ballistics to?

    but the fooled ones don’t need to be treated.. they need to be treated.. the main thing is to shoot the virus (see above)
    1. Cat
      +1
      2 December 2013 16: 28
      Quote: Cristall
      but the fooled ones don’t need to be treated.. they need to be treated.. the main thing is to shoot the virus (see above)

      It is with a machine gun that they need to be treated; all other medicines, in this case, are useless...
      But against the virus - a machine gun, alas, does not roll... at least a couple of such armies, and even better - a powerful loaf of a couple of hundred megatons. So that with a guarantee.
  90. 0
    2 December 2013 16: 17
    Quote: Cat
    Priority - on the podium, with Lutsyk-Yatsyk

    not a priority at all... so that even scraps are not found.

    Quote: Cat
    Well, then who will God send ballistics to?

    but the fooled ones don’t need to be treated.. they need to be treated.. the main thing is to shoot the virus (see above)
  91. +1
    2 December 2013 16: 17
    Hmm... I'm glad - no, I'm very glad that in Ukraine they didn't think of the law of freely carrying weapons.
  92. DimychDV
    +3
    2 December 2013 16: 20
    QUOTE: (second paragraph of the article):
    How would this European robbery turn into a further “democratic development” and well-being of Ukraine? - a terrible secret, for a terrible lie. Just look at the examples of Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania and other Young Europeans, including the Baltic states. All of them have already lost not only any industry, but also, as a result, youth, that is, the future: in the Baltics, up to 30% of the working-age population works abroad. These are all European national disasters, which are covered by the treachery of national elites that have moved to Brussels. All these “European values” must somehow be fed, that is, the European Union needs further economic robbery of new countries to maintain their falling pants.

    This would bring people to their senses. And not only in Ukraine, but also in the Eastern NATO republics.
  93. 0
    2 December 2013 16: 57
    Quote: MG42
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Given what is happening in Kiev now

    at the end of the week, a lot of information about Ukraine was presented in the comments in the comments yesterday.
    In addition, the journalist managed to shoot a unique video on the phone as a special forces golden eagle right next to the presidential administration <work> as he did it there is in detail

    Well, they want to go to a rally and let them know what they can do there!!!
    1. +1
      2 December 2013 17: 21
      Right. Wearing helmets, with reinforcement and with Molotov cocktails, they don’t come to crack cotton candy.
    2. In the book
      +1
      2 December 2013 17: 22
      Quote: admrall
      Well, they want to go to a rally and let them know what they can do there!!!

      That is, from your point of view, if a person or group of people has an opinion different from yours, he (they) just need
      Quote: admrall
      do bo-bo!!!

      I will continue for you:
      “Why are there so many of you so smart?”
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      2. Cat
        +1
        2 December 2013 17: 33
        Quote: Libr
        Quote: admrall
        Well, they want to go to a rally and let them know what they can do there!!!

        That is, from your point of view, if a person or group of people has an opinion different from yours, he (they) just need
        Quote: admrall
        do bo-bo!!!

        I will continue for you:
        “Why are there so many of you so smart?”

        That's right: if you don't like the party's policy, you'll get hit in the back with a club.
        Another thing is that in 20 years of independence in Ukraine they have not come up with such a truth. And as soon as they began to integrate into Europe, it immediately happened, because this is exactly the approach they have adopted towards “dissenters.” Both in “real” Europe, such as Germany and France, and in “associated” ones, such as Turkey. Moreover, the army is also used to bring the demonstrators to reason, but our “sub-European” authorities have not yet matured to this.
        1. In the book
          +1
          2 December 2013 18: 32
          Quote: Cat
          That's right: if you don't like the party's policy, you'll get hit in the back with a club.

          I understand that you are always in favor of party policy. I remember - “okay!”
          The party that is in power.
          And he’s not averse to swinging a baton at those who have a different opinion.
          1. Cat
            +3
            2 December 2013 19: 03
            Quote: Libr
            I understand that you are always in favor of party policy. I remember - “okay!”
            The party that is in power.
            And he’s not averse to swinging a baton at those who have a different opinion.

            For the sake of interest, you should read my entire message, and not just the first line.
            A baton to the ridge - I didn't come up with that. This is a civilized European approach to protesters, strikers, and other dissenters. And since our maydauns stand up specifically for Europe, then the attitude towards them should be European, yeah.
            As for my personal “approval”... Yanukovych - he didn’t ride into power from the Maidan on the shoulders of the crowd. There were completely legitimate elections, and the majority of votes were for Yanyk. Moreover, he did not promise any such European integration to his voters; on the contrary, it was about restoring relations with Russia (destroyed by the Orange). So if anyone has the moral right to point Yanyk’s face at this very thing, it is precisely the supporters of friendship with Russia, because he deceived them and did not live up to their hopes.
            And the Euro-integrators - please, wait for the next elections, nominate your candidate for president, and if the majority of the population votes for him, then integrate. There must be a cultural, civil, democratic approach, and not screams on the Maidan and bottles against the police.

            It’s just that the “integrators” are not satisfied with the civilized approach, they are not satisfied at all... they understand that it will not work. Not to mention winning the elections, it won’t even be possible to nominate a single candidate; too many people want to take the helm.
  94. Axel
    +3
    2 December 2013 17: 31
    It is not “to spite us” that they want to overthrow Yanukovych. It was he who was tired of them.
    It seems that even many quite normal people here have eaten so much from the zombie bin that they do not understand the situation in Ukraine. Guys, this is not an anti-Russian revolt, they don’t want to overthrow Yanukovych “to spite us.” It was he who was tired of them.
    I’m tired of him, I’m tired of his son, who became an oligarch in a year, I’m tired of his Donetsk roots, who “own” the whole country, strangle everyone, steal brazenly, like a bandit, squeeze out business from people, etc.
    1. +2
      2 December 2013 17: 38
      Yes, we are not for Yanukovych, his betrayal was enough, but the European integrators were very involved in this matter.
    2. +1
      2 December 2013 17: 48
      Somehow you didn’t rebel like that when Yanukovych refused the Customs Union. So yours is not true.
  95. +3
    2 December 2013 17: 36
    Quote: Libr
    That is, from your point of view, if a person or group of people has an opinion different from yours, he (they) just need

    judging by the cruelty, perhaps these are not residents of Ukraine, but provocateurs who have arrived in large numbers.
    In the end, throwing molotovs at boys doing their duty, taking advantage of the feeling of impunity, is also not super heroism.
    By the way, how many security forces are in the hospital already?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tIYyvafWlM
    These were the ones you could safely shoot with rubber. The golden eagle did not threaten them in any way.
    1. Axel
      +4
      2 December 2013 17: 41
      Quote: brainkiller
      judging by the cruelty, perhaps these are not residents of Ukraine, but provocateurs who have arrived in large numbers.
      In the end, throwing molotovs at boys doing their duty, taking advantage of the feeling of impunity, is also not super heroism.
      By the way, how many security forces are in the hospital already?

      There is a video online, filmed on Bankova Street in Kyiv, which shows how two buses with unknown young people in civilian clothes enter the territory of the Presidential Administration. The recording was made on December 1 around 12:00, a few hours before the riots began on Bankova.
  96. +2
    2 December 2013 17: 49
    Emotions are all good.

    And what do we have in the bottom line? Everyone knows what zugzwang is. And Europe is scary. And it’s not easy with Russia. Or rather, it's cold. It was also not possible to live independently. Where to hang out?

    The most interesting thing about this situation. Who's excited about this situation? Sworn friends. Of course, I wrote about the collapse of Ukraine more in a hypothetical version. Although I remain of the opinion that everything is possible. But those who will be happy to throw logs on the fire (and maybe add gas) are Poland and Russia. These two countries will only benefit from the division of Ukraine. And thoroughly.

    Nuts and gas pipelines are being tightened in the Kremlin. And poor Poland can only send its own envoys. But what prospects do sworn friends have.... It's breathtaking.
    1. +1
      2 December 2013 18: 10
      Quote: Bakht
      But those who will be happy to throw logs on the fire (and maybe add gas) are Poland and Russia. These two countries will only benefit from the division of Ukraine. And thoroughly.

      But in this place in more detail, please!
      1. wow
        +1
        2 December 2013 20: 11
        Well, hold your tongue for Russia, otherwise it will dry up!
      2. 0
        3 December 2013 14: 59
        Nonsense of a gray gelding ...
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