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Soldier laid sofa. For contract workers are preparing new benefits

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Soldier laid sofa. For contract workers are preparing new benefits

The army is undergoing a broad offensive on the contract front. In order to attract new professionals to the soldiers' system, the generals involved not only the propaganda apparatus, but also considerable financial resources.


RG has already said that the Ministry of Defense is ready to pay 25 million rubles for the creation of a pair of commercials about Russian Rambo. They are planned to be shown on television and in cinemas, as well as posted on the Internet. But perhaps the best thing about the professional service is agitating specific steps that the military command has already taken and is still going to take to improve the quality of life of its contract soldiers.

Recall that in August, by order of the Minister of Defense for them, they introduced the so-called surcharge for Fizo. Formerly, a pro soldier was required to serve at least two years to receive it. Now the time limit is removed. At the stage of adoption, another preference for contract servicemen is the monthly payment for skydiving. And the issue with the same surcharge for the special conditions of service of privates and sergeants-pros has already been resolved. In October, about 25 thousands of midshipmen ensigns and contract service soldiers received it. The money is pretty decent - from a quarter to half of their official salary.

As the RG correspondent was told by the Ministry of Defense, before the Donets this year, more than 4 thousands of contract servicemen who had been abandoned by the service in the North Caucasus would receive a substantial increase in salary: depending on the army position, from 10 to 18 thousand rubles. In parallel, the generals are working on the issue of introducing an additional payment to soldiers-pros for furnishing essential equipment. If such a rule appears in the law, each contractor will receive at least 10 monthly salary wages. According to the calculations of the Ministry of Defense, before being dismissed from the army by age, a person under this expenditure item can receive up to half a million rubles in total.

For the soldiers of the "mountain" units also want to introduce a special allowance - from 30 to 50 percent of the salary of the contract. A mountain training instructors can increase their tariff level by one and a half times and each month pay an additional 70 percent of their salary for a military post.

Among other measures of social support for this category of soldiers and sergeants, the plans include giving the family members of servicemen the right to use army first-aid posts, polyclinics and hospitals free of charge, and also to go on vacation free of charge once a year regardless of the region in which the person serves. Finally, regulatory documents are now being prepared that will allow the pro soldier to be dressed in a uniform that is almost the same as the officers wear. But the most important thing is that special insignia will appear on it, which will allow contract servicemen to even differ in appearance from recruits.

The Defense Ministry is trying, as far as possible, to solve the housing problems of professional soldiers. Right now, the generals are revising plans for the improvement of military camps and are improving the system of army mortgage. In many military units, former barracks are being converted to accommodate single contract soldiers. From the office’s unused housing stock, pros have been assigned 12 thousands of 620 apartments and 38 thousands of 110 rooms in the dormitories.

Recall that by the decision of the President of the country to 2017, the army must serve at least 425 thousand contract soldiers. This is not an easy task, but, according to the Defense Ministry, is doable. In any case, the results of recruiting professional soldiers this year inspire generals to optimism. In eleven months, 130 passed thousands of people through recruiting points, but after careful selection of candidates, the contract was concluded only with 70 thousands. And this is at the established rate of recruitment - half a thousand people a year. The statistics speak for themselves. Now the average salary of contract soldiers in the army is 23-35 thousand rubles per month. The ministry claims that individual pros have a hundred or even more than a thousand.
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  1. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 29 November 2013 11: 16
    +4
    It’s time, although it’s not necessary to go to extremes ...
    1. Cherdak
      Cherdak 29 November 2013 15: 11
      +6
      Maybe I sign up for a week?
  2. Stiletto
    Stiletto 29 November 2013 11: 17
    10
    Yeah, and in addition to the sofa - soft slippers instead of boots, a TV instead of a vending machine, a newspaper for political information, and a can of beer. Plus, salabon, who would have, after reading the newspaper by his grandfather, drove away flies with it. From there will be an army!
    1. svp67
      svp67 29 November 2013 11: 23
      +4
      Quote: Stiletto
      Yeah, and in addition to the sofa - soft slippers instead of boots, a TV instead of a vending machine, a newspaper for political information, and a can of beer. Plus, salabon, who would have, after reading the newspaper by his grandfather, drove away flies with it. From there will be an army!

      It is enough to introduce one more component into this scheme - intensive combat training and already "newspaper and flies" will become irrelevant ...
    2. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 29 November 2013 13: 14
      -1
      Quote: Stiletto
      Yeah, and in addition to the sofa -
      laughing

      That is, what I see... Corporal of the UPU of the KGB of the USSR (Government Communications Troops of the Committee for State Security of the Union .. well, then everyone understands) 1990-1992,
      - FULL B R E D , B R E D I T I N U.
      I watch "Zvezda" (TV) - three - first courses, three - second ... on CHOICE laughing laughing wassat

      NOTICE !!!
      Of soldier make, shape (different OURFIN JUSY) - soldiersFFFFFFFFFF)
      Such unctuous, snotty, accustomed to "Coca-Cola", with a toilet (booth) in battle ... does not resemble amer's soldiers ????

      Rejoice in PutinJUDYYA - Army Armory counterfactual.

      Don't scold me ... better look - WHAT happens -

      Quote: T-100
      HER her guys the contract army is evil, evil from the west.


      Quote: vladsolo56
      the maintenance of soldiers should not be higher than the average wage of workers in the country.

      Let's laughing measured by salaries (maintenance!) of soldiers - workers ... laughing laughing laughing
      Forgetting (not remembering about DEPUTIES AND RUNNERS) - about a minimum - 200 tons of rub.

      BRE D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 29 November 2013 14: 10
        +7
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        That's what I see ... Corporal of the UPU of the KGB of the USSR (Government Communications Troops of the State Security Committee of the Union .. well, then everyone understands) 1990-1992,


        ... amused, you have me ... who instructed the cons. By God, it’s funny ...

        Ya I, USSR soldier, - served (!!!!!!!) - two years.
        And in the Czech Republic, and in Lviv, in Voronezh ... He began, also with ... Voronezh.
        All right - one meal on B C E X !!!!!!
        And eat, exactly - To eatYou need to quickly. This too ... teachings ...



        What are you dur.aki ... minus the miners ...
        Eh ..
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 29 November 2013 17: 16
          +4
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          And eat, namely - EAT, it is necessary quickly. This is also ... teachings ..

          It is necessary to eat when there is a need. And when it is not there, you need to eat normally.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 29 November 2013 17: 15
        +3
        No, they just finally realized that a soldier is not a toy or a consumable. This is the normal approach of a normal army. I served in the Israeli. In Israel, there are slippers, and dishes to choose from, and more. Do you think this makes her less efficient7
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 29 November 2013 22: 42
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          finally realized that a soldier is not a toy or a consumable.

          Who understood? Deputies? Pudding? It never occurred to them to understand this. And for officers, a soldier was never a toy or a consumable. I mean combat officers, of course. I still communicate with guys who quit in 88-90. And in the 91st even found in a hospital in another district - I can’t imagine how. So the point is something else. You can’t buy it with a sofa. Every half year we wanted to stay with us for as long as the army could not digest. Arranged in neighboring parts, just not to fire, because it was a pity to lose wonderful specialists and good people. And when there were problems, they got them out of there. It's almost like in CAC :-))). And in the period they as part of the unit honed their previous skills. This is in p.p. 58447 (I do not remember the letter). They fed - for slaughter, in the barracks - showers, flowers everywhere, music (when possible) - if desired, a cool gym, their own airborne forces - what new did these destroyers of the country offer? What vote for them every time ?! And all the same, the Russian army will catch up with the SA (if suddenly there is a political will - like, for the sake of the stolen goods) very soon. Let me remind you - the real SA was in the Groups, and not in the Union (understandably, except for the air defense and Strategic Missile Forces). And no one knows how to do this in the Russian Federation.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 29 November 2013 23: 28
            +2
            Quote: c1n7
            Who understood? Deputies? Pudding? It never occurred to them to understand this. And for officers, a soldier was never a toy or a consumable.

            Really? Sure?
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 29 November 2013 17: 13
      0
      You think a soldier should live in shit? The more comfortable a soldier is, the better he can fulfill his direct duties
      1. KEKS44
        KEKS44 30 November 2013 07: 56
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        The more comfortable a soldier is, the better he can fulfill his direct duties

        The simpler the life of a soldier in peacetime, the more unpretentious a soldier is in war. This does not mean that the soldier should live, as you put it in "shit". But there is no need to arrange a rest house from the army.
        I would like to know what you mean by "living in shit" for a soldier?
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 30 November 2013 21: 11
        0
        Quote: Pimply
        You think a soldier should live in shit? The more comfortable a soldier is, the better he can fulfill his direct duties

        Did I say something about ""? We even had a hot shower for our personnel “in the fields” - homemade, of course, but there was. And there was a lot. But the quality of a soldier's performance of his duties should in no way depend on his life. If our soldiers were "none", they would not have bred flowers in the barracks, but would "die" in the classroom.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 30 November 2013 23: 25
          0
          Quote: c1n7
          Did I say something about ""? We even had a hot shower for our personnel “in the fields” - homemade, of course, but there was. And there was a lot. But the quality of a soldier's performance of his duties should in no way depend on his life. If our soldiers were "none", they would not have bred flowers in the barracks, but would "die" in the classroom.

          Better life - better rest, less effort, less effort on unnecessary things. From the life of a soldier, soldiers are more effective as a combat unit
  3. svp67
    svp67 29 November 2013 11: 21
    +7
    This is, of course, EXCELLENT, but you can't translate everything into money ... Since "you can still fight for money, but you never die ..." We must not forget about "education in the traditions of the Russian army"
  4. T-100
    T-100 29 November 2013 11: 21
    +2
    HER her guys the contract army is evil, evil from the west. Serve for money and benefits - these are no longer soldiers of the motherland, some kind of mercenaries. And what if the state cannot fulfill the contracts, then they will knock money out of the homeland.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 29 November 2013 11: 31
      +4
      Quote: T-100
      HER her guys the contract army is evil, evil from the west. Serve for money and benefits - these are no longer soldiers of the motherland, some kind of mercenaries. And what if the state cannot fulfill the contracts, then they will knock money out of the homeland.

      but conscripts for a year of service are not fighters ... hi
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 29 November 2013 11: 36
        +1
        quote- "RG" has already said that the Ministry of Defense is ready to pay 25 million rubles for the creation of a couple of commercials about Russian Rambo. They plan to be shown on television and in cinemas, as well as placed on the Internet. But, perhaps, the best thing for professional service is campaigning for concrete steps that the military command has already taken and is still going to take to improve the quality of life of its contract soldiers.

        At one time I prepared an article on this subject, from April 14 to 2013 On the issue of social military advertising .
        http://topwar.ru/26779-reklama-i-propaganda-vooruzhennyh-sil-pora-by-obratit-na-
        eto-vnimaniea-vy-kak-dumaete.html
        So, they read us in the Ministry of Defense and made the appropriate organizational conclusions. good
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev 29 November 2013 12: 56
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        but conscripts for a year of service are not fighters ...

        Yes, and that’s true. But [just add money the military is completely useless. It is possible to create a contract army like that, but never highly professional and devoted to the Motherland. "Contrabass" will not automatically become a military professional just for a lot of money.
        He must be selected worthy, taught, persuaded to make a life choice in favor of military service. Create a system of life and activity of troops in which the military personnel would be satisfied with the content of their activities. At the same time, it is necessary to use a "hot iron" to burn out any filth in the Armed Forces along with its carriers.
        Only then there will be a sense, and from only one increase in salary will be "zilch" - wasted money.
        As with many good deeds, unfortunately. request
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 29 November 2013 17: 18
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        but conscripts for a year of service are not fighters ...
        \

        Why not? Depends on the specialty and training program. An effective infantry fighter can be trained in six months.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 29 November 2013 19: 11
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          An effective infantry fighter can be trained in six months.

          It is possible to master VUS in initial skills and knowledge in half a year.
          Fighter - professional infantryman must be physically and psychologically prepared much better than many other soldiers, should be able to shoot from all small platoon weapons, and from BM weapons, be able to control, albeit not expertly, a combat vehicle, be able to gain the upper hand, i.e. kill or seriously injure the enemy in hand-to-hand combat.
          So a real foot soldier, this is not a brave soldier Schweik. it is abruptly many operators and signalmen.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 29 November 2013 20: 29
            0
            Quote: Alekseev
            A professional infantry soldier must be physically and psychologically prepared much better than many other soldiers, should be able to shoot from all small platoon weapons, and from BM weapons, be able to control, albeit not expertly, a combat vehicle, be able to gain the upper hand, i.e. . kill or seriously injure the enemy in hand-to-hand combat.
            So a real foot soldier, this is not a brave soldier Schweik. it is abruptly many operators and signalmen.


            High-quality infantry training, with the study of radio business, mortar, preparation for firing, taking a short course of anti-terror, actions in the building and in the open, with a shot of several thousand rounds and other things takes a little more than six months at an unhurried pace. Intensively, all this can be completed in a month.

            This is so that you do not have illusions, the reality is somewhat different from the tales of Rambo.
            1. Alekseev
              Alekseev 29 November 2013 21: 34
              +1
              Quote: Pimply
              This is so that you do not have illusions, the reality is somewhat different from the tales of Rambo.

              Is it me who has trained more than one hundred military experts who have illusions? laughing
              Rather, you have read "fairy tales about Rimbaud". Although, in general, this is not typical of the "children of Israel", but apparently, not all. wink
              hi
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 29 November 2013 22: 27
                +1
                Quote: Alekseev
                Is it me who has trained more than one hundred military experts who have illusions?
                Rather, you have read "fairy tales about Rimbaud". Although, in general, this is not typical of the "children of Israel", but apparently, not all.

                Apparently, no matter what - yes, soar. We began to carry out combat missions after six months of training. 4 months of the main, 2 and a half - advanced. If desired, without straining it was possible to reduce the course to three months.
    2. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 29 November 2013 12: 10
      -1
      What do you mean by the word homeland?
      Quote: T-100
      then they will knock money out of the homeland.

      Is it bad to knock out money from the government? all the more money earned. I fully support the professional army, but there is one condition, the maintenance of soldiers should not be higher than the average wage of workers in the country. Otherwise, they become a privileged class, and in the event of popular unrest, they will easily take the side of the government, because it pays the money.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 29 November 2013 13: 03
        +4
        Quote: vladsolo56
        the maintenance of soldiers should not be higher than the average salary of workers

        Yes Yes! And not higher than the income of peasants and employees, too, "office plankton"!
        And to pay them pension as everyone! Less and no less than 60 years old!
        So that they do not come off from the people!
        And to put you on such conditions to recruit a battalion of "miracle heroes" and to the Caucasus. Why go to the Caucasus, it’s too warm, even hot, to the Arctic. Big things are starting in the north too.
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 29 November 2013 13: 13
          -1
          Well, here's an example for you, give him millions, so that we all would be for him. And if ordered they will shoot without hesitation.
          1. military
            military 29 November 2013 16: 18
            0
            vladsolo56 hi
            he simply forgets that the army does not produce anything and is supported by the people ... and how such an army will defend it (the people) is still very "worth seeing" ... and the willingness to shoot at their own people is the backbone of this army is gradually instilled ... gradually and methodically ... and let them prove the opposite with foaming at the mouth, but at a subconscious level, many are ready to pull the trigger ... easy money can make a man a fierce beast ... regrettable, but it is so ...
            1. Alekseev
              Alekseev 29 November 2013 19: 24
              0
              Quote: vladsolo56
              here’s an example for you, give him millions, so that we would all be for him. And if ordered they will shoot without hesitation.

              No need to pervert. The army, at least its core, has always and everywhere been an elite. Otherwise, it’s not the army, but amusing army. Another thing is that money is a necessary, but by no means a sufficient condition for the creation of strong modern armed forces.
              And what is the average wage of workers? How is the average temperature in the hospital? laughing No one says that a soldier should receive the first year as a miner.
              Everything has its reasonable boundaries.
              And not military salary champions at the present time. Judges, various heads, superiors at state-owned enterprises, paid doctors in maternity hospitals, etc. You yourself probably know very well.
              And about the fact that you will be shot by the rich / employees, you should remember the story. Often the very poor fired - they wanted "who was nothing, he will become everything." request wassat
              And besides the military now there is someone to shoot ...
            2. Alekseev
              Alekseev 29 November 2013 19: 43
              0
              Quote: military
              is kept by the people ..

              Do you think that the people are one thing, and the army has arrived from Mars?
              And it’s high time to think that the army produces something ...
              And very significant - the peace, freedom and independence of their country. And it was she who saved Russia from collapse in the 90s, when everything fell.
              It is a pity that it does not yet produce an intelligent government ... request
              But here it is the people - the authorities in the country are what the people deserve. yes
              Or is there an opinion that in the absence of the Armed Forces, Russia would be able to have oil revenues? This is unlikely, as Comrade Sukhov used to say.
          2. s1н7т
            s1н7т 30 November 2013 21: 20
            0
            Quote: vladsolo56
            And if ordered they will shoot without hesitation.
            - the ideal soldier is simple. So it was written in the Charter: "all orders (orders) of commanders (chiefs) are carried out unquestioningly, exactly and on time." At least to shoot, at least paint the borders.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 30 November 2013 23: 27
              0
              Quote: c1n7
              - the ideal soldier is simple. So it was written in the Charter: "all orders (orders) of commanders (chiefs) are carried out unquestioningly, exactly and on time." At least to shoot, at least paint the borders.


              Often two important points that are forgotten to be emphasized are forgotten from it.

              37. The order (order) must comply with the requirements of laws and military regulations.

              42. In order to successfully complete the task assigned to him, a soldier is obliged to take reasonable initiative. It is especially necessary when the order received does not correspond to the dramatically changed situation, and the conditions are such that it is not possible to receive a new order in a timely manner.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 29 November 2013 17: 20
        +1
        Quote: vladsolo56
        I fully support the professional army, but there is one condition, the maintenance of soldiers should not be higher than the average wage of workers in the country. Otherwise, they become a privileged class, and in the event of popular unrest, they will easily take the side of the government, because it pays the money.

        I do not support a professional army, I believe that it leads to stratification in society - absolutely everyone should serve, if not in the military, then in the alternative service. But about the money - I do not agree. A soldier goes to a much more dangerous job than a worker. And for the danger, they pay extra to the workers.
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 29 November 2013 17: 18
      +2
      Quote: T-100
      HER her guys the contract army is evil, evil from the west. Serve for money and benefits - these are no longer soldiers of the motherland, some kind of mercenaries. And what if the state cannot fulfill the contracts, then they will knock money out of the homeland.

      Do you know that archers, for example, were a mercenary army? Are princely squads from the West too?
  5. Migari
    Migari 29 November 2013 11: 40
    0
    Everything should be in moderation, the army is not a resort, and conditions should be created for everyone and conscripts and contractors, without whom modern weapons can no longer do.
    But most importantly, special insignia will appear on it, which will allow contract soldiers to even differ in appearance from draftees.
    And this is new.
  6. major071
    major071 29 November 2013 11: 51
    +4
    Even if they fulfill half of what they promised, it will already be fine. Contrabasses are necessary for anyone, there is no sense from conscripts, you can’t teach anything in a year.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 29 November 2013 12: 02
      +1
      The deputy in his own way fosters youth patriotism. good
  7. Svyatoslavovich
    Svyatoslavovich 29 November 2013 12: 05
    +1
    And what kind of wild roll do the soldiers have in the photo?
  8. makarov
    makarov 29 November 2013 12: 10
    0
    And the application to the sofa is not accidentally provided ???
    P.S. It's not about the pillow.
  9. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 29 November 2013 12: 24
    0
    A soldier is laid a sofa.

    Well, no way. The sofa, like other furniture, is not laid, but put. If someone does not understand, then this is a joke of humor.
  10. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 29 November 2013 12: 29
    0
    And who can boast that their Army is cheap? After all, everyone knows that only shit candy can be made from shit. And if you fight? "You should not start a battle or war if you are not sure that you will gain more in victory than you will lose in defeat. Those who seek small gains at the cost of great danger are like an angler who fish on a golden hook: pull off the hook - no prey will compensate losses."
  11. lawyer
    lawyer 29 November 2013 12: 56
    +1
    They made a kindergarten out of our army, mothers-nannies will come running right away if they make the soldier make the bed, and mortgage him with benefits and pay the military for children higher than others and raise their salary, they still need to pour oil in one place, and let me get banned whoever wants it, they got it already with this army, as with small children, I myself work as a lawyer (disabled person of the 3rd hearing group) and I know how the military got caught up, all the conditions for them.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 29 November 2013 17: 22
      0
      Quote: lawyer
      They made a kindergarten out of our army, mothers-nannies will come running right away if they make the soldier make the bed, and mortgage him with benefits and pay the military for children higher than others and raise their salary, they still need to pour oil in one place, and let me get banned whoever wants it, they got it already with this army, as with small children, I myself work as a lawyer (disabled person of the 3rd hearing group) and I know how the military got caught up, all the conditions for them.

      You think a soldier should live in shit? I know of not one or two armies where normal conditions do not affect performance for the worse. I would even say the other way around - for the better it affects, the soldier is well-fed and better-rested is better at fighting. Do you think why on the front of the Second World War soldiers and commanders were fed better than the rear?
  12. Alexey M
    Alexey M 29 November 2013 13: 32
    +1
    Why should a person serve in bestial conditions? Why hardships and hardships for soldiers should be created artificially. It is probably better to sleep in a warm and comfortable barracks than in a 130-snout room with a temperature of 8 degrees Celsius when it is -40 on the street.
    The state should take care of its army and its people. It’s kind of how they started about the army.
    We are waiting for people to be remembered.
    1. Cherdak
      Cherdak 29 November 2013 15: 29
      0
      Quote: Alexey M
      Why should a man serve in bestial conditions?



      That's right: sports, comfortable weapons, comfortable modern uniforms, good food ... quarterly execution of the captenarmus!
    2. Serg 122
      Serg 122 29 November 2013 17: 31
      0
      Why should a person serve in bestial conditions? Why hardships and hardships for soldiers should be created artificially. It is probably better to sleep in a warm and comfortable barracks than in a 130-snout room with a temperature of 8 degrees Celsius when it is -40 on the street.
      The state should take care of its army and its people. It’s kind of how they started about the army.
      We are waiting for people to be remembered.


      Yes, they remember! We all write here that "If only it would be good, if only it would be great!" But only promises! Zadolbalo already! - In October, it was received by about 25 thousand warrant officers, warrant officers and contract service soldiers. The money is pretty decent - from a quarter to half of their official salary. Lying! Not a word of truth! - Among other measures of social support for this category of soldiers and sergeants, the plans include giving family members of the military the right to use army medical posts, clinics and hospitals free of charge, - so it was and so was - and once a year, go on vacation for free, regardless of the region in which the person serves. - so now please (but the trouble is - the VPD was canceled). Fairy tales about the fact that "you say go, and we will pay you THEN ..." that's why there are fairy tales, only few believe in them (those who went on vacation last year have not received anything yet. Maybe in other parts and in a different way, but we have it that way am
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 29 November 2013 20: 02
      +2
      Quote: Alexey M
      Why hardships and hardships for soldiers should be created artificially.

      A soldier should not be a coddled creature, whom dirt, blood, frost, heat, lack of sleep, pain, hunger would drive into a stupor.
      But in order to be able to endure all this you need to train!
      And in order to learn how to overcome these hardships, there is no other way to get through them. There is no other way ... request yes
      Of course, everything should be gradual, the living conditions of the conscripts in the barracks are Spartan, but not bestial!
      You can’t immediately throw a modern youngster, covered with a layer of soft fat from a carefree life, into the harsh pool of army everyday life.
      But this is what the chiefs in the army are for, to put into practice the proverb: "You are not born a soldier, you become a soldier."
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 29 November 2013 20: 30
        0
        Quote: Alekseev
        A soldier should not be a coddled creature, whom dirt, blood, frost, heat, lack of sleep, pain, hunger would drive into a stupor.

        Man gets used to shit quickly, you’ll excuse me. And for this, it does not need to be specially immersed.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 29 November 2013 21: 42
          +2
          Quote: Pimply
          Man gets used to shit quickly, you’ll excuse me. And for this, it does not need to be specially immersed.

          Get used to it quickly, that's for sure!
          But who is calling him to dunk there?
          Do not distort!
          Conditions of service, especially at first, should be harsh, spartan and not "shitty".
          And the task is, if you didn’t understand, to make the soldier remain a combat-ready warrior and man, when, due to heavy military reasons, he is "" around, and does not turn into a demoralized pig lying in this "shit".
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 29 November 2013 22: 28
            0
            Quote: Alekseev
            Get used to it quickly, that's for sure!
            But who is calling him to dunk there?
            Do not distort!
            Conditions of service, especially at first, should be harsh, spartan and not "shitty".
            And the task is, if you didn’t understand, to make the soldier remain a combat-ready warrior and man, when, due to heavy military reasons, he is "" around, and does not turn into a demoralized pig lying in this "shit".


            You urge to dunk. You think a soldier is better served in shit than under normal conditions.
      2. corn
        corn 30 November 2013 02: 02
        0
        Alekseev.
        There are exercises for training.
        I would like to hear from you what you mean by Spartan and greenhouse conditions and whether you consider the requirements of the Internal Service Charter to be Spartan or not (in what).
        "Of course, everything should be gradual, the living conditions of the conscript in the barracks are Spartan, but not bestial!
        It is impossible for a modern vyunosh, covered with a layer of soft fat from a carefree life, to immediately be thrown into the harsh maelstrom of army everyday life. "
        So throw or not throw? Or first on the sofa, and then on the straw mattress? Or vice versa?
  13. Per se.
    Per se. 29 November 2013 13: 54
    +1
    If the army is a mold of society, then why is it surprising. A professional army and a contract army are not synonymous, we had a professional Soviet army. We had Soviet hockey, the best in the world, now "contract hockey", where the players in the NHL get the main money, and they play for the Russian national team after the Stanley Cup, in the form of an additional shabbat, so notice the difference with what happened when we played for the USSR. A similar situation awaits the contract army. No matter how advertising works in the United States, no one is eager to serve, let alone die for their country, newcomers go to serve in the army for citizenship. Ancient Rome came to the same thing when only barbarians, mercenaries, remained in the legions, for Roman citizenship. Rome fell, and not in the least due to the transformation of the army into a mercenary. In the whole world, only two countries now have fully contract armies, this is Great Britain (recruitment by recruitment) and the United States (contract), some robbed the whole world while sitting behind the English Channel, others continue to plunder, relying on their mercenaries, sitting across the oceans between Canada and Mexico ... A separate topic for Germany, where, having lowered the term of military service to an absurd 6 months, the Germans decided to save the situation by switching to a contract. So they have a NATO bloc, where most countries have conscript service, or mixed manning (France, 70% conscript, plus mercenaries, the same Foreign Legion). All the largest armies in the world are conscripts: China, India, North Korea, Israel, Turkey, Syria, Spain, Italy. Where are we going? There is no national idea, morality is degrading, soon and for money, perhaps the Uzbeks will go to serve, and even then, if they still promise citizenship. Who is “blowing in our ears” with such innovations? It seems that American advisers are still sitting in the Kremlin after Yeltsin and their tail wagging our dog. Are there no alternatives in solving the problem? Or, simply, is it more convenient to cut the budget and separate the army from the people?
    1. complete zero
      complete zero 29 November 2013 15: 06
      +1
      An alternative (as you indicated) mixed picking-BUT AND INCREASE THE SERVICE LIFE (depending on the type of troops) - the fleet is certainly at least 3 years old, to transfer to the Contract a percentage of the Rapid Reaction Forces, internal, probably PV (well, here in general ) PS-hockey was definitely not our best)))) I agree with one of the best.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 29 November 2013 21: 58
        +1
        Quote: complete zero
        Alternative (as you indicated) mixed picking-BUT AND INCREASE THE SERVICE LIFE
        Here it is necessary not only to increase the term of service, but also to introduce the concept of "civil service", where the constitutional duty would be assigned to all citizens of the country who have reached draft age. The fit would serve directly in the army, the rest, having completed the course of a young soldier at the place of residence, would deduct interest from their salaries, or pay the agreed amount every month that would go to the fund of those who serve three years in the army. That's all, in the army there are those who want and can, the rest are in the "rear", where "everything is for the front, everything is for victory." Extra conscripts (or contract soldiers) for individual special forces and positions. Everyone liable for military service, including girls (birth of a child, exemption from civil service). Here the army will be equipped with a three-year conscription from the best for benefits and bonuses, the rest will replenish the military budget from their civil service. "Mowing and hammering" will not work, and the "white ticket" will not get rid of the civil service. You can leave and "intermediate", one-year service, where after serving a year, the rest was supplemented by civil service. This is my opinion and vision of a solution to the problem of conscription.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 29 November 2013 17: 37
      +2
      Quote: Per se.
      We had Soviet hockey, the best in the world,

      Soviet hockey, if you shift to the present, was also professional. Players received cars and apartments, had access to shortages, etc.
      Quote: Per se.
      No matter how the advertisement works in the USA, no one is eager to serve, much less die for their country, newcomers for citizenship go to serve in the army.

      I would recommend you look at the statistics of the draft. Now a complete set, and vice versa - they plan to reduce.
      Here is for example the 2009th.
      As reported in the US defense department, the draft plan for military service was completed by 103 percent for the existing troops and 104 percent for the National Guard. As a result, fashionable youth hairstyles replaced almost 167 thousand people with a short army hedgehog. This has become the most widespread recruitment in the army, navy, air force and marine corps over the past 35 years.

      In China, Spain, India - a voluntary appeal. Italy is contracted. The Syrian army is also difficult to call a draft, especially now - there is a payment.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 29 November 2013 22: 17
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        Quote: Pimply
        Soviet hockey, if you shift to the present, was also professional
        Yes, I said that, but not by contract.
        Quote: Pimply
        In China, Spain, India - a voluntary appeal.
        China and India are overpopulated countries, where for many to become military, it is to break out into people. However, in the same Turkey, a man who did not serve in the army is not a man, difficulties finding a bride. In other countries, there are also difficulties in taking public office for those who have not served. Finally, Eugene, you somehow kept silent that in Israel even women are military-liable, conscription service, and the army is one of the best. Do you think it’s better for us to look back at the Yankees? They can afford a contract army, with their commercialism, consumerism and the cult of money, with a printing press of world currency, and sitting across the oceans with peaceful neighbors. We are not.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 29 November 2013 22: 34
          +1
          Quote: Per se.
          However, in the same Turkey, a man who did not serve in the army is not a man, difficulties finding a bride.

          That is why there are 70 thousand people there, who paid 17000 bucks from the army, and in the banks there is a special "army" loan specifically for this business?
          Quote: Per se.
          Finally, Eugene, you somehow kept silent that in Israel even women are military-liable, conscription service, and the army is one of the best.

          I didn’t keep silence. I'm just saying that facts must be consistent with facts. FACTS.

          I am also against a professional army. But this does not mean that it is necessarily worse than the draft (as, however, is better). She has her minuses and her pluses.
          1. andr327
            andr327 29 November 2013 23: 22
            +3
            contract service is a service for money.
            A professional army is a level of training.
            The first is easy to organize, but professionalism is more difficult, especially now, when the top and middle command staff are mostly dregs of the 90s.
            As an instructor in the Strategic Missile Forces, I remember one lieutenant, whom it was scary to admit to both equipment and people, but the guy was not capable of anything. I sat out then in the army, now the regiment commander (they even show it on the CT), but the level remained as it was. Alas, now there are very few professionals in the army, the "officers of the 90s" do not like them, they are afraid and are becoming obsolete. Sadly, the army lost its professionalism (the main achievement of Stouretkin and his predecessor).
            Professionalism and contract - the concepts are not equivalent.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 29 November 2013 23: 29
              +2
              Quote: andr327
              Professionalism and contract - the concepts are not equivalent.

              I totally agree. The contract army is not a panacea.
            2. corn
              corn 30 November 2013 02: 25
              +1
              A significant part of the officers began to leave the army already in the early 90s, and the company link began to leave, the battalion, and the communications of the times were interrupted. Then the loss of professionalism began. Just the officers of the 90s did not become professionals, but this is not their fault, but their misfortune, because they had no one to learn from. For the 90s, the prestige of officer service has fallen, which means that many outsiders for the army have appeared in military schools. Do not blame Serdyukov for what he has nothing to do with, his shoals for three enough of life.
  14. pv1005
    pv1005 29 November 2013 14: 15
    +1
    The soldier must endure all the hardships and deprivations of military service. I agree to transfer them to classes in the field, exercises, with participation in hostilities (CTO). But why should my family and I carry them in everyday life?
  15. Krilion
    Krilion 29 November 2013 14: 18
    +1
    the salary of the head of Gazprom Miller is $ 60 million a year .. the salary of the head of Rosneft Sechin is $ 50 million a year .... slightly degreasing these freaks and the soldiers will be enough not only for sofas, but also for a Hennessey glass after a hard day ...
    1. military
      military 29 November 2013 17: 14
      0
      Quote: Krilion
      the salary of the head of Gazprom Miller is $ 60 million a year .. the salary of the head of Rosneft Sechin is $ 50 million a year .... slightly degreasing these freaks and the soldiers will be enough not only for sofas, but also for a Hennessey glass after a hard day ...

      they are already "degreased" by those who are supposed to ... or do you seriously believe that a high-ranking official with an official annual income in N Russian "lyamov" will approve someone as the head of a similar company with a similar salary for free? ... even if, and the best friend of his childhood (adolescence, adolescence) ... just like that ... from the "feeling of love" ... these "tops" are nothing more than cash cows for the persons who appointed them ... and these cows are very regularly and without unnecessary flutters give a full assortment of "natural products" - from "milk" to "sour cream", "cottage cheese" and "butter with cheese" ... but we do not see and do not feel this ... because this "assortment" is consumed quite specific guys ...
  16. saygon66
    saygon66 29 November 2013 14: 31
    +1
    - So there was such a category: "super-conscripts" - servicemen who remained in the Army (in the Navy), after the end of the urgent! They received a decent salary, could live outside the location, wore uniforms like those of fitters and warrant officers, with slight differences from it ...
    1. corn
      corn 30 November 2013 02: 31
      0
      As soon as the ensigns appeared, the conscripts practically disappeared, and the ensigns appeared in order to somehow increase the monetary allowance for the conscripts. The consignment allowance of the conscripts was significantly different from the clothing supplies of the ensign, and if you read the charters of the 70s and earlier, you will learn a lot about life beyond conscripts.
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 1 December 2013 01: 45
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        - Well, I know something not from the Charters, my uncle served as a "cricket" for nearly 30 years ... and quit in the early 90s with the rank of foreman. I myself found the conscripts, the chief of the galley was the chief sergeant, and many technicians and heads of storage facilities, too, traveled accompanied by cargo. If I had an opportunity, I would have exchanged my contract in the 90s for an "overtime" in the 80s. laughing
  17. complete zero
    complete zero 29 November 2013 14: 50
    +1
    Something I didn't quite understand about food? -What is wrong that in addition to "fraction 16" and so on ... normal human food will enter the soldier's diet? (What will he get fat from this?) Lenin rooms, and not painting all possible borders, but with combat training (both physical and technical), and naturally should be fed equally (equally QUALITATIVELY) that a contract soldier is a first-year conscript
  18. aleks222
    aleks222 29 November 2013 15: 11
    0
    And the soldiers of Suvorov? 25 YEARS, recruits also received money. And families started up during the service.
  19. Pokerof13
    Pokerof13 29 November 2013 15: 16
    +1
    All this is somehow wrong. Cash payments to the RF Armed Forces must be calculated on the basis of the level of professionalism, and not for the fact that he joined the army. Most of them go to the army for this money. When they conclude a contract, they receive good money (lifting, allowance upon concluding a contract, material assistance), a kind of euphoria begins, because they did not have such money in civilian life. But after 2-3 months this money runs out, there remains a bare salary, which, accordingly, is not enough, plus the so-called "deprivation of military service." In a word, the contractor is already looking for a way to quit and, as a result, he is fired. Bottom line: the money was gone and the contractor was gone.
    But if the contractor will serve for a long time, improve his military skills, and for this his salary grows, then we can still hope that for the waste of money we will have contractors. Well, it would have been nice to charge the state spent on it for an unserviceable contract, then there would have been even less desire to quit ahead of schedule.
  20. Leonid Har
    Leonid Har 29 November 2013 15: 18
    +1
    It’s good that they support the army. But it would be nice if ordinary mortal civilians were not forgotten
  21. kind
    kind 29 November 2013 16: 33
    0
    In many military units, former barracks are redone to accommodate single contract soldiers.

    Again belay ??? 5-6 years ago this was already done, conscripts live there now, but the barracks are redone, and it’s good. Is that another cut of money? negative ? !!
  22. tchoni
    tchoni 29 November 2013 16: 51
    0
    the main thing is that special insignia will appear on it, which will allow contract soldiers to even differ in appearance from draftees.

    This would make it easier to countersink from crickets through the sight
  23. tchoni
    tchoni 29 November 2013 16: 51
    0
    the main thing is that special insignia will appear on it, which will allow contract soldiers to even differ in appearance from draftees.

    This would make it easier to countersink from crickets through the sight
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  25. pr 627
    pr 627 29 November 2013 19: 16
    +2
    My opinion is that military experience is gained with the necessary and sufficient duration of conscription. A hired army serves the ataman, there is a treasury, not a treasury serves another ataman.
  26. alone
    alone 29 November 2013 20: 25
    0
    If a draftee serves a year, then this is no longer a service!
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  28. wanderer
    wanderer 29 November 2013 21: 45
    +1
    All this is not good.
    And it reminds of Papandopulo's "double bass":

    At the pan of the ataman of the Nem the gold reserve and the lads begin to scatter in different directions.
    If this goes on, I will also scatter in different directions.
  29. okroshka79
    okroshka79 29 November 2013 22: 19
    +2
    Are there any additional cash bonuses "for brains" planned? Raising social status is certainly good. But not enough. In my opinion, it would be correct to rank В and ВТ in terms of technical complexity and complexity of operation in all types of aircraft + climatic features in which it is operated. And to pay extra charges: for a technically sound condition upon confirmation of the MTBF time B and BT; for completing combat training missions in accordance with their combat mission. Then they would be really professionals. Only ... probably this is from the realm of fantasy of Baron Munchausen. To develop all this, we need brains and relevant knowledge and those who take part in the development of such benefits, which I deeply doubt.
  30. freedom2013
    freedom2013 29 November 2013 22: 56
    +1
    Sofa or bunk bed? Yes, if you have been doing BP all day, you will not care at 22.00, just to put your head on the pillow. Yes, a soldier is a MAN and must live in human conditions. But with all this, of course, the correct reform is the question - Why are the cleaners cleaning the soldiers in the barracks, and the officers (all contract soldiers) in the dormitory cleaning up for themselves?
  31. freedom2013
    freedom2013 29 November 2013 22: 56
    0
    Sofa or bunk bed? Yes, if you have been doing BP all day, you will not care at 22.00, just to put your head on the pillow. Yes, a soldier is a MAN and must live in human conditions. But with all this, of course, the correct reform is the question - Why are the cleaners cleaning the soldiers in the barracks, and the officers (all contract soldiers) in the dormitory cleaning up for themselves?
  32. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 29 November 2013 23: 14
    0
    Oh, you idealists are bad! You at least sniffed what the smell of WAR! Very incompatible with the contents of the digestive tract. But probably you do not need it yet. But expect at least.
  33. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 29 November 2013 23: 14
    -1
    Oh, you idealists are bad! You at least sniffed what the smell of WAR! Very incompatible with the contents of the digestive tract. But probably you do not need it yet. But expect at least.
  34. Severomorsk
    Severomorsk 30 November 2013 00: 08
    +1
    Jul 27, 2013 In the Almaty region, in the city of Taldykorgan, a contract soldier driving a Mercedes car knocked down two pedestrians at a crosswalk to death. One of the pedestrians died at the scene of an accident, and the second in the hospital ..
    ...................................................................................................
    On October 5, 2011, Roman Ilyas oglu contractor Radjabov on the Nissan Pathfinder, shot down 8th grade student Tatyana Kostereva, who died on the same day later, on Sivko Street.
    The North Sea Garrison Military Court found Roman Rajabov guilty and sentenced him to 3 years in prison.
    ...................................................................................................
    November 21, 2013 The identity of the owner of the BMW car, which killed an elderly man and left the scene of an accident at a pedestrian crossing, was established.
    It turned out to be a contract soldier, born in 1983, from a brigade of landing ships of the Black Sea Fleet. Currently, he hid in the territory of his military unit.
    …………………………………………………………………………………………….
    It's time to transplant double basses to Porsche and Lamborghini!
  35. understudy
    understudy 30 November 2013 00: 31
    +1
    Contractors without a reserve prepared in droves are a very short-term factor. And the reserve can be prepared solely as a result of normal and intensive conscription service, moreover, for at least 2 years. Everything else is from the evil one.
    And in general, some kind of disgusting word ... "contract soldiers". By bargaining a mile away. If someone took it into his head to highlight this category of servicemen, then let them be "volunteers."
    1. corn
      corn 30 November 2013 02: 49
      +1
      1. The Federal Law of the Russian Federation dated December 30, 2012 N 288-ФЗ. On introducing amendments to certain legislative acts of the Russian Federation on the creation of a mobilization human reserve.
      2. For service - once a month. Reservists will be called up for training (published on Military Review on 30.10.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX)
  36. understudy
    understudy 30 November 2013 00: 31
    +1
    Contractors without a reserve prepared in droves are a very short-term factor. And the reserve can be prepared solely as a result of normal and intensive conscription service, moreover, for at least 2 years. Everything else is from the evil one.
    And in general, some kind of disgusting word ... "contract soldiers". By bargaining a mile away. If someone took it into his head to highlight this category of servicemen, then let them be "volunteers."
  37. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 30 November 2013 02: 39
    -5
    It would be faster if some kind of war began, so that these parasites would be fired a little, so that the people could see what the "defenders" are capable of. And then they got used to the bulldogs' muzzles, and the army should not sit on the priest exactly, the army should work off the people's money.
    1. corn
      corn 30 November 2013 02: 53
      +1
      Questions are in order of your thesis.
      Do you hope not to get to war?
      How can the army earn money? To start a war?
      Wanted to troll?
      1. EdwardTich68
        EdwardTich68 30 November 2013 04: 49
        0
        No, it’s just that I’m not a troll. Fat-tailed loafers got it, you need to work out the money and not drain it into the latrine. Mordovorot are worthless, they choose the style of form, it doesn’t suit them from Zaitziv, come from the dolce-gaban. The socks weren’t done right, without a heel, the officer cut into the root.
  38. sega72
    sega72 30 November 2013 08: 06
    +1
    Quote: EdwardTich68
    It would be faster if some kind of war began, so that these parasites would be fired a little, so that the people could see what the "defenders" are capable of. And then they got used to the bulldogs' muzzles, and the army should not sit on the priest exactly, the army should work off the people's money.

    Do you understand what you are writing? So a person who saw the war on TV can write. War is an extreme measure when all the means have already been used. And the same contract soldiers are our compatriots, brothers, husbands, fathers. I think that contract soldiers are more responsible for the same technique. The conscript in the majority does not care "the day has passed," and "the soldier is asleep, the service is underway." Believe me, I have the right to say so, because I served as an urgent service in the USSR and had a contract in Chechnya 99-2000. The call is needed, no questions asked, and nvp in schools needs to be revived, but the world is changing, technology is becoming more complicated, now they will equip the army with unmanned aerial vehicles, etc., do you want conscripts to control them? Counterterrorism tasks, too, must be performed by the pros. worse than another, hard and dangerous work, you get money for your work? Or are you an altruist and work for free? And the last people who do not want to feed their army will feed someone else's. It's not me, Napoleon said, a man is far from stupid, although he is a motherfucker.
    1. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 30 November 2013 22: 41
      0
      Of course I understand, I myself served.
  39. sega72
    sega72 30 November 2013 08: 17
    +1
    The guys who served the urgent did not at all want to offend you. The guys are great guys and they don’t take courage for the most part, but they need experience and responsibility because of their youth, there are a lot of losses, young people still. If the war is not Patriotic, I think the contract the army must cope, people consciously carry out their work, they know what they are going to.
  40. pogis
    pogis 30 November 2013 09: 43
    0
    Quote: T-100
    HER her guys the contract army is evil, evil from the west. Serve for money and benefits - these are no longer soldiers of the motherland, some kind of mercenaries. And what if the state cannot fulfill the contracts, then they will knock money out of the homeland.

    And the officers are not contractors? For some reason, in 96 they didn’t knock money out of the Motherland when they didn’t give d / s for six months!
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  42. pogis
    pogis 30 November 2013 09: 49
    -1
    Prison and the army, sisters! In peacetime, contract soldiers are preferable to forced conscripts who just serve time and they do not care .... with rare exceptions! And those born in the 90s are generally a separate song! We even came up with a term for such - "forgotten in the 90s!"
  43. pogis
    pogis 30 November 2013 11: 18
    -1
    Quote: Understudy
    Contractors without a reserve prepared in droves are a very short-term factor. And the reserve can be prepared solely as a result of normal and intensive conscription service, moreover, for at least 2 years. Everything else is from the evil one.
    And in general, some kind of disgusting word ... "contract soldiers". By bargaining a mile away. If someone took it into his head to highlight this category of servicemen, then let them be "volunteers."

    What a reserve! You, as our generals, are preparing for the past war, but it is necessary for the modern one!
  44. pogis
    pogis 30 November 2013 11: 26
    0
    Quote: Understudy
    And in general, some kind of disgusting word ... "contract soldiers". By bargaining a mile away. If someone took it into his head to highlight this category of servicemen, then let them be "volunteers."

    In the USSR, the contract was called in everyday life a subscription, and if you revise the "retaliatory move" you will be surprised to learn about the contract, and yes "crickets" sound cooler than "contract soldiers".
  45. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 30 November 2013 15: 02
    +1
    The contractor is a highly qualified professional. What qualifications can a conscript receive for the 1 year of service? The lowest. By signing the contract, yesterday the conscript will be a true master of years through 3-5. The stock of conscripts who served 2 of the year will gradually end. And with whom will we conclude a contract? With the guys who served 1 for a year, without really learning anything ... Human resources for future contractors are being reduced.
  46. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 1 December 2013 02: 13
    -1
    Chatter. Even senior officers cannot provide normal conditions of service, they cannot and do not want to settle accounts with military pensioners dismissed before 1998, what kind of contract soldiers can be discussed! Every candidate for contract should be aware that a contract is not binding on MO RF scrap of paper. With the next twist of the state policy, the contractor will be thrown out to a citizen without pity and sense, regardless of his term of service, cool qualifications, rewards, an excellent service card and an exemplary institution.