"The EU is on the verge of the biggest failure"

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"The EU is on the verge of the biggest failure"“The European Union has missed it - Ukraine literally floats away from the hands, like fish from a net, into which it was almost caught,” State Duma deputy Alexei Pushkov told the VZGLYAD newspaper. He does not exclude that the West will be forced to change its position and still agree to trilateral talks with the participation of Moscow and Kiev around the association agreement between Ukraine and the EU.

The West on Wednesday openly declared the fallacy of its policy towards Ukraine. Thus, Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski admitted that Brussels made a mistake in assessing problems in relations between the EU and Ukraine, but said that this “problem is the policy of onslaught and blackmail that its eastern neighbor applied to Ukraine”.

Komorowski is confident: "At present, the firm position of President Putin increases the chances of formulating the monolithic position of the EU countries and solidarity actions in favor of Ukraine."

At the same time, the predecessor of Komorowski, the ex-president of Poland, and now the EU representative at the talks with Ukraine, Aleksander Kwasniewski, once again called for the material interest of Kiev. “Our proposal should be an intelligible proposal for short-term assistance for Ukraine,” said Kwasniewski. According to the negotiator, the money for Ukraine is “more than 10, maybe 20 billion euros is an acceptable amount for the EU, which gave Greece much more - hundreds of billions of euros”. Kwasniewski, quoted by the Kiev version of Versions, claims that “the European Union did not give up in the cause of Ukraine and was looking for a“ plan B ”.

Meanwhile, the positions of Kiev and Moscow on the association agreement between Ukraine and the European Union coincided: the EU-Ukraine-Russia tripartite negotiations must precede the signing of any agreements with Brussels. On Wednesday, the President of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, spoke again about this variant as the optimal one. On the eve of his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin also called for "agree with the proposal of President Yanukovych and in a trilateral format, properly and thoroughly discuss all these topics."

Alexey Pushkov (United Russia), the head of the Duma’s international affairs committee, told Europeans why the European commissioners are still stubbornly unwilling to allow Russia to the negotiating table.

VIEW: What, from your point of view, explains the persistent refusal of Brussels to call "to discuss all three"? What is there to fear?

Alexey Pushkov: From the very beginning, the European Union considered the Eastern Partnership and the prospect of association with Ukraine as a geopolitical project. The task was not to allow Russia into this process. We are here - absolutely unwanted member. After all, in fact, the essence of this geopolitical project is to separate Ukraine from Russia, to include Ukraine in the zone of economic and political influence of the EU.

The task is not to resolve some controversial issues with Russia, but to prevent Russia from negotiating. This is the meaning of the unprecedented pressure to which the European Union is subject to Kiev.

The EU is now on the verge of the largest geopolitical failure in the last 15 – 20 years. Naturally, Brussels blames Russia above all. Therefore, for the most part, they do not want tripartite negotiations, they are making desperate efforts, trying to convince Ukraine at the last moment to reconsider and sign the agreement.

VIEW: The EU’s envoy in Moscow, former Lithuanian Foreign Minister Vygaudas Usackas, was the last to refuse the tripartite format. But maybe diplomats are not from the Baltic states, but from among the “old members” of the European Union, a more balanced position?

A. P.: Earlier, Stefan Füle, European Commissioner for Enlargement and Neighborhood Policy, and Elmar Brok, head of the European Parliament’s committee on international affairs, have already spoken with such a position. The latter, as is known, said that Ukraine refused to integrate with the EU under pressure from Russia.

There are European politicians who think broader than the figures I listed above. In particular, German Chancellor Angela Merkel suddenly announced that negotiations should be held with Vladimir Putin on this topic.

But I suspect that when representatives of the European Union talk about agreement on negotiations with Russia, they just want to achieve a change in the Russian position. Not to achieve some kind of coordination of interests, but to try at the last moment to influence Moscow - just as they are trying to influence Kiev. So far, there is no other “message” from the EU at these possible talks.

VIEW: Can the latest promises made by an observer from the monitoring mission of the European Parliament, the ex-president of Poland Alexander Kwasniewski, that the EU is already urgently preparing an economic aid package for Ukraine, can affect the position of Kiev? Previously, they have already removed their demands for the release of Yulia Tymoshenko ...

A. P.: Promises that the EU is now ready to make are unlikely to have a decisive impact. Although, of course, there is still time before the summit ...

The European Union hoped to get Ukraine’s consent to the association, solely putting forward its own demands (judicial reform, extradition of Yulia Tymoshenko) and in fact offering nothing in return. I did not want to bear any serious obligations of the financial, economic plan of the EU. And when the leaders of Ukraine decided that they would gain and that they would lose, they realized that they would lose a lot and gain very little.

In addition, Kiev was demanded to fulfill the conditions of a political nature, which, strictly speaking, have no relation to economic cooperation. Now the European Union has missed it - Ukraine literally floats away from her hands, like fish from a net, into which she was almost caught. At the last moment they are trying to save the already almost failed project.

It would be extremely strange if Yanukovych now changed his mind again and still signed the agreement. This, firstly, would mean that he is being led by the opposition, and secondly, he would completely disavow his decision taken last week. It seems to me that the leadership of Ukraine has definitely stated that today it is not ready for an agreement.

Just today, Yanukovych compared the association with the European Union with a loop - and said that he would not like Ukraine to climb into this loop. So to say, with such associations, an association agreement can hardly be signed.

VIEW: How do you assess the appearance on the US White House site of a petition demanding to declare Viktor Yanukovich and Ukrainian ministers persona non grata? What is the level of thinking of the authors of such a petition? After all, refusal to sign an agreement is not a crime ...

A. P.: The content of the petition proposed for consideration by the administration of Barack Obama is absolutely absurd. Regarding the seriousness of this appeal, I would like to note that a variety of petitions are appearing on the website of the US President, up to and including appeals to “make public the truth about John Kennedy’s murder.” As you understand, nobody is going to carry out this petition. I note that she did not even get a tenth of the necessary votes - 1 thousand signatures with the necessary 100 thousand.

The authors, as is known, demand sanctions against Yanukovych for the fact that he made a political decision to temporarily refuse association with the EU. I rule out that the Obama administration will meet this absurd demand - even the United States does not apply sanctions in response to purely political decisions.

Sanctions need to be justified either by legal, or moral and ethical aspects, or by suspicions of something criminal. In this case, I repeat, we are talking about a purely political issue, about the sovereign choice of Ukraine as an independent state, about the decision that was made by the president, lawfully elected by a majority of Ukrainians. The US administration can consider this petition as nothing more than a curiosity containing absolutely impossible requirements.
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  1. +68
    29 November 2013 15: 04
    I like Pushkov, his postscript program is interesting, differs from the rest of the media chewing gum.
    1. +43
      29 November 2013 15: 33
      Pushkov, unlike many of our politicians, does not lie westward, but always stands on the side of Russia. IMHO. good And I like the script too. hi
      1. +54
        29 November 2013 16: 06
        The complete nonsense! Do you accept the bargaining of Ukraine for victory? And they don’t hide what they want in association with the EU on the terms that will suit them! As a result, the position on Tymoshenko’s release has already been removed from the agenda. There is a bargain on the allocation of loans. The EU wanted to buy Ukraine on the cheap, and Yanukovych called the price that suits him. Russia in this bargaining acts as a bugbear.
        Victory would be if Ukraine joined the CU. And now there is a search for compromises (negotiations in the format of Ukraine-EU-RF to which result should result in your result?)
        In short, only one thing is clear - that nothing is clear.
        Furthermore! I think that the statement of the EU representative that signing the treaty is possible under another president, in a certain context sounds like a threat. And it looks like this threat Yanukovych heard.
        Today it is difficult for Russia to offer something extra to Ukraine. Yes, and it will be useless. But common sense, when two-thirds of a country (Ukraine) wants to join the EU, does not work.
        No victory for today! Pushkov likes me, but he often just posits a situation! We do not need spells now, but the rise of the industrial sector!
        P.S. Judging by the news of the Serdyukov case, we will fight with corruption as fiercely as before, and we will not have to talk about any economic breakthrough in the near future ...
        1. +17
          29 November 2013 16: 19
          Quote: Polovec
          In short, only one thing is clear - that nothing is clear.

          Perhaps this is the only thing that is clear.
          1. Captain Vrungel
            -14
            29 November 2013 17: 38
            It is clear that Putin won, betrayed Yanukovych, lost the people.
            1. Cat
              +13
              29 November 2013 17: 40
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              It is clear that Putin won, betrayed Yanukovych, lost the people.

              um ... please specify: what kind of people and what exactly have you lost?
              1. Captain Vrungel
                +4
                29 November 2013 21: 58
                Lost the Ukrainian people that have such a guarantor. Hypocrisy. cynicism and the lie of the first person of the state, deliberately tearing Ukraine apart. So blow up Ukraine with your shy and nonsense. This is what rotten tactics brought to yours and ours. Pave your ass on two toilets. What does it mean that the supreme did not serve in the army, but sat opposite. There is no honor or dignity. Remained prisoners. Kidalovo. Throw not a bastard. Urkaina once again showed. which is a zone controlled by the Yuzovskaya organized criminal group. There would be a guarantor with honor, shot himself from such contempt and shame. To this, even pee in the eye, he will say that God's dew.
                1. VARCHUN
                  +11
                  30 November 2013 01: 17
                  Speak for the guarantor, to hell with him, but don’t speak for the whole nation, first you need to live in Ukraine, and then PI *** for this country. I myself live in Makkeevka in the Donbas and I know that not everyone wants the EU, but there are ducks but most are wise for the vehicle, so don’t say you don’t know. No.
                  1. sapran
                    -7
                    30 November 2013 01: 31
                    And I thought everyone from Makeyevka had already been taken away, here in Kiev there are not enough "watchers" out there to run to the Maidan not to work for the good of the family ...
                    1. +9
                      30 November 2013 08: 32
                      Quote: sapran
                      And I thought everyone from Makeyevka had already been taken away, here in Kiev there are not enough "watchers" out there to run to the Maidan not to work for the good of the family ...

                      Have you been in Makeyevka for a long time? People there are really laborers, trying in spite of everything to provide their families. And they simply have no time to be "overseers" on the unbridled Maidans.
                      Graze your rams brought from all over Ukraine yourself, and even better (and more correctly), entrust this matter to law enforcement authorities ...
                      1. +4
                        30 November 2013 10: 23
                        Quote: Corsair
                        , and even better (and more correctly), entrust this matter to law enforcement authorities ...

                        So they (law enforcement officers) successfully coped with their task at 4.00 (in Kiev) cleared the Maidan ...
                        As I understand it, Yanukovych made his choice in favor of the TS ... Personally, I am happy.
                      2. +2
                        2 December 2013 12: 23
                        he made no choice, he will try to maneuver between the two forces and bargain for himself more, this time
                        and second: if Ukraine is not allowed into the EU, then it will not feel the "charm" of being there, and will continue to believe that Russia "did not let them into a brighter future."
                      3. +2
                        30 November 2013 14: 06
                        Quote: Corsair
                        Graze your rams brought from all over Ukraine yourself, and even better (and more correctly), entrust this matter to law enforcement authorities ...

                        Absolutely accurate definition! good
                        In general, all the troubles in Ukraine come from pride, not for nothing mortal sin. lol
                        In Russia, they say the manners are rude, Putin is a villain, he didn’t even give fag to the fag.
                        And we, we are advanced, Ukraine-tse Europe! Whether it's in the geyrop! There is freedom, and they wait not to wait for the Ukrainian unemployed to wash their pots. As if the Araps and Turks with Poles and Balts are dumb.
                        The truth is about ... if everything is over 20 years of independence, but Putin is to blame. laughing
                        Of course, not everyone in Ukraine mows under the New Europeans.
                        But, unfortunately, a spoon of tar spoils a barrel of honey.
                      4. rodevaan
                        +3
                        30 November 2013 15: 19
                        Quote: Corsair
                        Quote: sapran
                        And I thought everyone from Makeyevka had already been taken away, here in Kiev there are not enough "watchers" out there to run to the Maidan not to work for the good of the family ...

                        Have you been in Makeyevka for a long time? People there are really laborers, trying in spite of everything to provide their families. And they simply have no time to be "overseers" on the unbridled Maidans.
                        Graze your rams brought from all over Ukraine yourself, and even better (and more correctly), entrust this matter to law enforcement authorities ...


                        - I go there every year, I have relatives there. The situation is depressing, they haven’t gotten out since the 90s, alas: ((The city is desolate, there are almost no young people, all my childhood friends went there somewhere, some to Russia to work, some to Donetsk, some nearby, some to Kiev or to Geyropastan ... The last time I was there last year, there’s a mess, my native village Osipenko, who was very big before, you’re walking down the street now, the house through the house is an empty area. It’s sad. Not the Makeevka that was once earlier, under the Union. The metallurgical and coke plants operate at 10%, this is the best case. The mines barely eke out a miserable existence ... The authorities steal. As thief Vasya Dzharty was mayor there, nothing has changed since then. And end to end this the lawlessness of power is not visible there. We are at least somehow scrambling out. But Ukraine is still stagnant. It is being pulled in different directions, and the government is stealing scary. I don’t know, the simple people are tired of indignation, many just waved their hands, they live as they live and how they will ..
                      5. +1
                        2 December 2013 06: 08
                        Generally did not understand the above correspondence of the three members of the forum. Is it really so bad in Ukraine that they are ready to cling to each other with a dead grip. What people need to be brought to hate each other. Why the EU, the CU, live yourselves, form alliances yourself, is there really not enough mind for this?
                  2. rodevaan
                    0
                    30 November 2013 15: 13
                    OOOOOOOOO !! What kind of people, and even where from! Big greetings to my small Motherland, from the Far East - to whom I travel every year in the summer! :))

                    Eh, not the same Makeevka that was before, but I still love to come there. My parents are from there, grandparents live there.

                    Where do you live? On Osipenko? On Trubnoy? TsPKO North Park?
              2. goldfinger
                -10
                29 November 2013 22: 07
                Quote: Cat
                um ... please specify: what kind of people and what exactly have you lost?

                Neighbor Belarus.
                If Russia pays, thieving courts, gangster law enforcement officers, wretched laws for business will remain in Ukraine. But there will be some money, which, however, will quickly plundered. Everything is like in Great Russia. And the lack of prospects for change. Having entered Europe, one will have to seriously deal with the work of state institutions. This is a serious job. Is Yanukovych ready for her and capable of her?
                1. 0
                  30 November 2013 04: 57
                  how you talkers are fed up.
          2. +5
            29 November 2013 21: 51
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Polovec
            In short, only one thing is clear - that nothing is clear.

            Perhaps this is the only thing that is clear.

            Yes, the question is interesting, but it seems Yanukovych broke
        2. +20
          29 November 2013 16: 43
          The victory will be when on the issue of integration, Russia will be at the negotiating table.
          Then Brussels will find out who, where and under what conditions will be integrated.
          1. +1
            29 November 2013 17: 58
            Quote: JIaIIoTb
            The victory will be when on the issue of integration, Russia will be at the negotiating table.

            What do we do there? Discuss the selling price of Ukraine?
            1. +8
              29 November 2013 19: 03
              In bull's eye - "sale of Ukraine" - apparently analogous to the partition of Poland in the 18th century.
              1. VARCHUN
                +7
                30 November 2013 01: 19
                Ukraine is not Poland and do not say, otherwise I will start to offend although I respect neighboring Russia.
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            3. +1
              29 November 2013 20: 47
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              What do we do there? Discuss the selling price of Ukraine?


              Are you the President of Russia? If you are only interested in selling, then you are in Ukraine.
              1. AVV
                +4
                29 November 2013 22: 23
                This leadership of Ukraine, in its repertoire, behaves like an auction, and exposes its country as Garn Divchin, and whoever promises more will do so, but there is a third option when Europe is tired of offering, and Russia will no longer want to take a country that is ready to betray even its centuries-old traditions, family ties that were forged in the fight against the Poles, Swedes and Germans during the Second World War. But the fact of the matter is that he knows that no matter how bad Russia was, it did not leave Ukraine to the mercy of fate, this and the dishonest ruler uses the independence. We in Russia, every second has relatives in Ukraine !!! And we do not care how the Ukrainian people live !!!
            4. +5
              29 November 2013 22: 12
              And then! Yanukovych almost in plain text said exactly that - whoever gives the most will fall under that one. Hearing this in an interview, I laughed for a long time! .. That's the whole position. Both ours and yours. Type of auction. Lot - Ukraine.
              1. VARCHUN
                -7
                30 November 2013 01: 21
                So why is Putin stupid, and he gave more, or did he like everything kitty.
                1. zardoz
                  +6
                  30 November 2013 01: 26
                  Yes, the problem is that if it gives no longer the fact that it will receive something desired for it. It may so happen that they will long and tediously beg for more, which actually has been happening for the past twenty years.
                2. +4
                  30 November 2013 13: 57
                  But on ..., that is, why are you such Putin? Also pay for banderlog ...
                  What rudeness, that pay, this give ... laughing
                  It’s all to your hetmans, either Putin or these ones who interfere.
                  Need to work! Ukraine in the USSR exceeded Poland 2 times in industry, where is everything?
            5. +1
              29 November 2013 23: 10
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: JIaIIoTb
              The victory will be when on the issue of integration, Russia will be at the negotiating table.

              What do we do there? Discuss the selling price of Ukraine?

              Indeed, what should Russia do there?
              1. +2
                30 November 2013 05: 01
                work, what do you do in Russia.
          2. +21
            29 November 2013 18: 07
            Victory will be when there will be half of Europe in the CU, and we will decide whether to accept France and England as associate members !!! Yes
            1. VARCHUN
              0
              30 November 2013 01: 23
              Well, you and the dreamer.
            2. +1
              1 December 2013 20: 51
              Quote: alex-s
              Victory will be when there will be half of Europe in the CU, and we will decide whether to accept France and England as associate members !!! Yes


              Everything goes to that. Geyrope kirdyk soon.
          3. +7
            29 November 2013 19: 48
            Quote: JIaIIoTb
            Then Brussels will find out who, where and under what conditions will be integrated.
        3. zardoz
          +16
          29 November 2013 17: 12
          So two-thirds? I think a third is not :)
          1. 0
            29 November 2013 19: 46
            I agree with you
          2. 0
            29 November 2013 22: 09
            migrant workers in Russia-Transcarpathians and Magyars do not want to be in the European Union. Russia feeds them better, although the Russians are against it.
          3. 0
            29 November 2013 22: 09
            migrant workers in Russia-Transcarpathians and Magyars do not want to be in the European Union. Russia feeds them better, although the Russians are against it.
        4. +18
          29 November 2013 17: 37
          Quote: Polovec
          In short, only one thing is clear - that nothing is clear.


          You can judge like that, but ...

          Look at the cunning grimaces of Yanukovych’s face and Putin’s calm.

          I am sure that they played a long-tortured game, which is aimed at pushing the EU, as a system formation, to a similar abyss, to which the so-called The European project, led by Syshya, pushed the USSR in the late 80s ...

          Revenge, gentlemen, inevitable revenge ...

          ... Russians always come for their money ... "Otto von Bismarck.

          And the further the descendants of Bismarck with their neighbors begin to defame in politics with Russia, the sadder the outcome is ... I’m not talking about economic defamation yet - it goes without saying ...
          1. +4
            29 November 2013 18: 00
            Quote: Tartary
            ... Russians always come for their money ... "Otto von Bismarck.

            I'd like to hope so, but so far skepticism is winning.
            1. rodevaan
              +3
              1 December 2013 08: 31
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: Tartary
              ... Russians always come for their money ... "Otto von Bismarck.

              I'd like to hope so, but so far skepticism is winning.


              - But in vain do not hope. Bismarck, by the way, was the smartest guy, was perhaps one of the few foreigners who truly understood Russia and the Russian character. And this is only the trouble of all gayropstan idiots that they did not listen to him and do not listen to him ... History has repeatedly proved and showed that he turned out to be right.
          2. +4
            29 November 2013 19: 39
            Would you drink honey with your mouth ...
            While honey is not, but in the mouth like a hangover.
            We need to make our country so attractive that our neighbors would fight for a Russian passport! It is necessary to work, not to trade the future! Earlier, at least "Mayak" and "Romance" were released ...
            1. +5
              29 November 2013 19: 56
              Quote: Polovec
              that the neighbors would fight for the passport of the Russian Federation!

              Even now they are fighting, mainly from the south, but there are also enough volunteers from Ukraine. hi
            2. 0
              30 November 2013 19: 32
              Have you edited your comment? What for?

              Initially, there was only the first line ... What excited you so much?
          3. 0
            29 November 2013 22: 16
            Respect to you! Believe Bismarck!
          4. 0
            29 November 2013 22: 16
            Respect to you! Believe Bismarck!
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          6. VARCHUN
            +4
            30 November 2013 01: 26
            Note Bismarck spoke about those RUSSIANs, and not about their generation. Your generation is golemic, there is no patriotism, skinheads with a swastika in Russia, the Caucasus will soon be the native Muscovites, what kind of Russians can be talked about. I understand now they will fly, but I don’t care I am telling the truth,
            1. Alex 241
              +7
              30 November 2013 01: 32
              Quote: Varchun
              no patriotism
            2. +2
              30 November 2013 02: 06
              Quote: Varchun
              Your generation is golem, there is no patriotism, skinheads with a swastika in Russia, the Caucasus will soon be indigenous Muscovites, what kind of Russians can be talked about. I understand now they will fly - but I still tell the TRUTH

              You say what you think is true, but the truth is, rather barbers satisfy themselves orally, than the Russians, and Russia will disappear.
              1. +1
                30 November 2013 02: 08
                Roughly, but essentially true.
            3. +4
              30 November 2013 06: 48
              Quote: Varchun
              .Your generation is golem, there is no patriotism,skinheads with a swastika in Russia,

              Well, at least we don’t erect monuments to the Vlasovites (Bendera’s) and their parades do not suit ...
              1. rodevaan
                +2
                1 December 2013 17: 15
                Quote: PSih2097
                Quote: Varchun
                .Your generation is golem, there is no patriotism,skinheads with a swastika in Russia,

                Well, at least we don’t erect monuments to the Vlasovites (Bendera’s) and their parades do not suit ...


                - Please do not confuse the sinful with the righteous! Eastern and Western Ukraine are absolutely 2 different opposing worlds, approximately like our patriots and pro-Western liberoids. I can say for Donbass myself, even though I live in Russia - the Bandera pro-fascist scum is not digested there even better than we are in Russia. And to interfere with the East of Ukraine with these pro-fascist disadvantages is an insult to eastern Ukrainians. The West has been lying all my life under Poland - their brains are the same as logs, so why be surprised? I remember once back in the 90s, agitators went from the west back in 2004 to campaign for Yusch, but they didn’t take into account the fact that the miners are harsh, simple, they don’t suffer from any liberophilia, and spit on the Westerners from a large bell tower. So there, the dundels quickly smashed these Yushchovites, and since then no pro-Western trash has been poking around in the Donbass ...
                So it is not necessary to equate all with one measure. The East also speaks Russian and thinks Russian and supports Russians and Russia. We would rather, help them, and not equate them with Bandera renegades ...
            4. +2
              30 November 2013 14: 25
              Quote: Varchun
              .Your generation is golem, there is no patriotism

              And yours? But, of course, Natsiki came to Lviv on May 9, as one fat Ukrainian policeman stated laughing , and so all is well!
              Isn’t it better for us not to blame each other for all mortals, but to think how to live and work together in this world?
            5. +1
              30 November 2013 15: 32
              Quote: Varchun
              Note Bismarck spoke about those RUSSIAN


              your patriots are few, but there are hundreds of thousands of Russians

              Quote: Varchun
              Your generation is golem, there is no patriotism


              what do you use h .. crested?
              Alex 241 brought you one of the evidence.

              Quote: Varchun
              the Caucasus will soon be the native Muscovites,

              a combination of three fingers. Put your ass in the EU and get a Euro-Ukrainian without a past and future.

              Quote: Varchun
              I understand they’ll fly now

              don’t whine ...
              1. +2
                2 December 2013 06: 19
                Roughly, but in Slavic.
            6. rodevaan
              +3
              1 December 2013 08: 35
              Quote: Varchun
              Note Bismarck spoke about those RUSSIANs, and not about their generation. Your generation is golemic, there is no patriotism, skinheads with a swastika in Russia, the Caucasus will soon be the native Muscovites, what kind of Russians can be talked about. I understand now they will fly, but I don’t care I am telling the truth,


              - Well, fellow countryman, of course I generally agree, but in particular, not everything is so terrible and not everything is so lost. It’s too early to remove the cast. It was even worse. Now, at least somehow, albeit with a creak, though through opa, we are somehow starting to get out of that dirty hole into which the pro-Western degenerate bullshit dumped us ... We are far from the Soviet pace, but at least somehow moving. The main thing is that we do not stand still ..
            7. +1
              1 December 2013 16: 45
              Quote: Varchun
              Note Bismarck spoke about those RUSSIANs, and not about their generation. Your generation is golemic, there is no patriotism, skinheads with a swastika in Russia, the Caucasus will soon be the native Muscovites, what kind of Russians can be talked about. I understand now they will fly, but I don’t care I am telling the truth,

              Are you telling the truth? Well, well ... Insidious malice emanates from your "truth" ...
              In all generations, becoming older before descendants, they used to say - what kind of generation went? Like, we weren’t like that ... and that’s not so, and this and that ...
              But over and over again the next "youth" gave on musly to the next envious, critics and grumblers))), who tried to touch the Russian people with impunity for "coconuts" ...
              So it will be this time. Prepare yourself more carefully, but all-in-one will not help ...
              1. +2
                1 December 2013 21: 00
                Quote: Tartary
                In all generations, becoming older before descendants, they used to say - what kind of generation went? Like, we weren’t like that ... and that’s not so, and this and that ...
                But over and over again the next "youth" gave on musly to the next envious, critics and grumblers))), who tried to touch the Russian people with impunity for "coconuts" ...
                So it will be this time. Prepare yourself more carefully, but all-in-one will not help ...


                Yes, and NATO are preparing in full. And we need to keep the gunpowder dry so that the Taburetkins do not sell offal.
                1. +1
                  2 December 2013 06: 23
                  Quote: Sandov
                  Yes, and the NATO are preparing in full. And we need to keep the gunpowder dry so that


                  Yes, we are ready, ready - only to put on boots and have time to get machine guns with zinc ...
          7. Hug
            -4
            30 November 2013 01: 33
            Do not flatter yourself, do not engage in self-deception.
          8. +1
            1 December 2013 20: 54
            Quote: Tartary
            And the further the descendants of Bismarck with their neighbors begin to defame in politics with Russia, the sadder the outcome is ... I’m not talking about economic defamation yet - it goes without saying ...

            God Rogue marks. How much can you drink our blood to various ghouls.
        5. 0
          29 November 2013 19: 19
          I completely agree! (in a bad sense of the word) bargain for free !!!
          1. +1
            29 November 2013 22: 19
            My friend, what is a freebie? Answer. Pliz!
          2. The comment was deleted.
          3. 0
            29 November 2013 22: 22
            So what's a freebie?
            1. The comment was deleted.
            2. 0
              29 November 2013 22: 27
              I did not see the answer
          4. VARCHUN
            +4
            30 November 2013 01: 30
            Do you think that the TS is halva? Time is not right. Putin is not the right person to give something for free. And no one from Russia does not expect a freebie.
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        7. +4
          29 November 2013 19: 37
          The entry of Ukraine into the Customs Union is the goal, and today's victory is a victory in the battle to achieve the goal. We always get strange, if something bad happens, then everything is bad, if something good happens, we either don’t hear it, or it’s not really good or bad at all. If Ukraine would join the association, then this is for Ukraine и it would be bad for Russia. Generally very good for Russia and Ukraine not joining an association and you need to rejoice. By the way - "The European Union declares that it will not put forward new conditions for Ukraine by association" (http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/3272846-evrosouiz-zaiavliae
          t-what-ne-
          budet-vydvyhat-novye-uslovyia-dlia-ukrayny-po-assotsyatsyy
          1. +10
            29 November 2013 21: 11
            You're right! We Russians are maximalists. We only need a complete and unconditional victory! This is our misfortune, but also our pride, because for the victory we are ready to die. I am proud that I am Russian. And .. Yes, I am a maximalist and want to live in a rich and prosperous Empire, where the brothers do not bite over a piece of bread or God whom they pray.
            1. +8
              29 November 2013 21: 14
              Quote: Polovec
              And .. Yes, I am a maximalist and want to live in a rich and prosperous Empire, where the brothers do not bite over a piece of bread or God whom they pray.

              Join.
            2. +3
              29 November 2013 21: 44
              Polovec SU "I am proud to be Russian"
              -----------------------------------------------
              You know, not one you are proud of it. Here are my lines:

              Yes, I am Russian and proud of it
              And I say that everywhere
              My mother is a great Russia
              I love her wholeheartedly!

              I invite everyone to my lit.pages on stihi.ru/avtor/alexdol and
              Litzone http://litzona.net/alexru/
            3. +3
              1 December 2013 21: 03
              Quote: Polovec
              You're right! We Russians are maximalists. We only need a complete and unconditional victory! This is our misfortune, but also our pride, because for the victory we are ready to die. I am proud that I am Russian. And .. Yes, I am a maximalist and want to live in a rich and prosperous Empire, where the brothers do not bite over a piece of bread or God whom they pray.


              Here is the national idea of ​​Russia.
          2. Shuriken
            +2
            29 November 2013 23: 43
            Quote: leha-2012
            and today's victory is a victory in the battle to achieve the goal
            --- this is not a victory at all! Judge for yourself: in Ukraine the situation will not improve, this is clear to everyone, because from where? Russia will give, say, a loan, they will quickly eat through, some will be stolen, by definition. Then again * oops. And what there will be a groan and a cry "Now, if we were associated, we would heal ..." We need it? Especially since Janek-guznokrut will start his numbers again .... But if they entered, well, sort of, the EU (they are so they think), and Ukraine would come full of the POC - then, I think, the Euroshores would fall from the eyes of the people, they would sweep away the criminal power and without hesitation would enter Russia on equal rights, but into a single state. victory! The simple people only feel sorry for him, he has little joy from these metamorphoses.
        8. onegin61
          0
          29 November 2013 19: 46
          Admin: engaged in verbiage and not see the obvious is not a reason to ban comments
          1. rolik
            +1
            30 November 2013 00: 50
            Quote: Onegin61
            Admin: engaged in verbiage and not see the obvious is not a reason to ban comments

            And what admin used the power ???)))) if not a secret?
        9. The comment was deleted.
        10. +10
          29 November 2013 19: 57
          Quote: Polovec
          The complete nonsense! You accept the bargaining of Ukraine for victory

          For me personally, all this hemorrhoid looks like the proposed video. laughing
          1. rolik
            0
            30 November 2013 00: 49
            Quote: Papakiko
            For me personally, all this hemorrhoid looks like the proposed video.

            Thanks for the plot)))) laughed for a long time. good
          2. 0
            1 December 2013 21: 09
            Quote: Papakiko
            For me personally, all this hemorrhoid looks like the proposed video.

            Well, a joke so funny. You deserved +
        11. +2
          29 November 2013 20: 18
          Quote: Polovec
          The complete nonsense! Do you accept the bargaining of Ukraine for victory?

          Well said too much, although essentially true.
          Yanukovych was especially disgusting when Merkel complained that he, the poor fellow, had been "one-on-one with a very strong Russia for three years."
          And you are absolutely right that
          Quote: Polovec
          Now not spells are needed, but the rise of the industrial sector!

          If there are no objective conditions, then no GDP can do anything. Russia has accumulated a little bit of strength, and it is already a completely different calico, and it is not possible to ignore it, although I really want to.
          And 2/3 of the population in Ukraine do not want to be in the EU. Not everyone there is so fucked up to scream and rush at the police, while not even reading the text of the agreement on this association.
          1. 0
            29 November 2013 22: 39
            Forgot Yanukovych-freebie is the bootleg, not free. Ukrainian language (mov)
          2. 0
            30 November 2013 12: 12
            Do you accept the bargaining of Ukraine for victory?


            When a prostitute (the Ukrainian authorities; and Ukraine is a wonderful land) begins to bargain - this is already a definite victory on her part.
        12. Felix200970
          +1
          29 November 2013 20: 31
          Quote: Polovec
          And they don’t hide what they want in association with the EU on the terms that will suit them!

          And what? Quite a normal desire. Just the fulfillment of this desire is astonishing.
          Quote: Polovec
          No victory for today! We do not need spells now, but the rise of the industrial sector!

          +100500. Who needs "credits" from worthless cut paper, which, moreover, will be upset in a quiet get-together, and the citizens of Ukraine will have to slobber back out of their pockets in the form of incomprehensibly going taxes am
          Quote: Polovec
          we will fight corruption as violently as before, and we won’t have to talk about any economic breakthrough in the near future ...

          I'm afraid yes ... request
          1. VARCHUN
            -1
            30 November 2013 01: 40
            At least one briefly said everything, well done.
        13. +2
          29 November 2013 20: 59
          I agree with the comment Polovec! The threat expressed to Yanukovych is nothing more than the fact that the EU will support the candidate for the post of President of Ukraine who agrees to sign the agreement without any additions. They may well suit Klitschko, or someone else from the pro-Western opposition. And believe me, they will achieve it! Money will flow to the candidate, and so much dirt will pour on Yanukovych or the candidate who will be against signing an agreement with the European Union, so much dirt that you won’t get sick. And we must put up with the fact that the signing with the European Union will be! If Yanukovych does not sign it, then the newly elected President of Ukraine will not do anything here. And what this candidate will win is a fact! The EU is about to start a PR campaign - a company that even the Ukrainian dead will believe that they will feel good in the EU!
          1. zardoz
            +2
            29 November 2013 21: 55
            In general, on this wave, Yanyk will be able to leave again. For in the East there are not so many who want to join the EU. Yanyk will again take a pro-Russian position and if there is no other candidate, the East will vote for him again.
          2. 0
            2 December 2013 06: 26
            It’s hard for me to imagine how a boxer can be the president of a state. This is how many blows to the head during the entire boxing career you can get. What remains of the brain, except for the hook on the right, the hook on the left.
        14. goldfinger
          +4
          29 November 2013 22: 01
          Quote: Polovec
          Do you accept the bargaining of Ukraine for victory?

          Neighbor Belarus.
          The European integration project of Ukraine has shamefully failed. EU officials in mourning. European taxpayers breathed a sigh of relief.
          Russian officials triumph. Russian taxpayers have not yet understood.

          Yanukovych is just handsome. He divorced everyone and everyone still owes him. They will now look after him from both sides. He had almost won the next presidential election, but still did not seem to decide which side he would give the opportunity to pay for them.
          1. smersh70
            0
            30 November 2013 14: 10
            Quote: goldfinger
            He divorced everyone and everyone still owes him.


            well done land neighbor! always komenty verified and right as always !!!!!! drinks
        15. +3
          29 November 2013 22: 41
          Quote: Polovec
          Today it is difficult for Russia to offer something extra to Ukraine. Yes, and it will be useless. But common sense, when two-thirds of a country (Ukraine) wants to join the EU, does not work.

          Yes and no need. Eating a formula - before it gets good, it should be worse - a crisis. Like in a disease.
          Nehai slurp, as the Balts. Only those have nowhere to go. But the Ukrainians-have.
          Quote: Polovec
          P.S. Judging by the news of the Serdyukov case, we will fight with corruption as fiercely as before, and we will not have to talk about any economic breakthrough in the near future ...

          And who would doubt ... One would think he alone warmed his hands on all this ... laughing
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        17. Centuri0n
          0
          29 November 2013 22: 43
          But common sense, when two-thirds of a country (Ukraine) wants to join the EU, does not work.
          Stop shaking the air with such unbelievable phrases
          1. BAT
            +2
            30 November 2013 00: 10
            Where such data about two-thirds of the country. A week ago I came from Zaporozhye. Almost everyone speaks out against the European Union. If western Ukraine is eager for the EU (and even then not all), then the east is not very. And the population density in eastern Ukraine is much higher than in western. So there is no need to talk about two-thirds of the population tearing into the EU. The most optimal option for Yanukovych is a referendum on joining the EU. Then everything will fall into place.
          2. VARCHUN
            -4
            30 November 2013 01: 43
            What do you live in this country? ”I hooked the flag of a non-existent country and then I felt like a philosopher, Socrates.
            1. BAT
              +1
              30 November 2013 13: 07
              Are you talking to me, Varchun? If to me, then questions arise immediately - are we familiar with you? If not, why on you? Where is the flag of a non-existent country? And where does Socrates?
        18. pawel1961
          0
          30 November 2013 00: 18
          However. how smart you are. And here is a hot-point kind of your activity.
        19. DimychDV
          0
          30 November 2013 07: 27
          Don’t you understand one thing? No matter how much you give Ukraine now - 10, 20, 300 billion euros - all this will disappear into the pockets of politicians and their relatives, will drown in the newly created in Euro-Ukraine - Euro-Official Structures. This will bring nothing to the people !!! Unless only clericals and special services will feed the Galicians, so that at least these faithful supporters are not lost. And for the rest, either the changes will not bring EXACTLY ANYTHING, INCLUDING EUROPEAN ORDER. Or it will get worse - since Europe is not obliged to give Ukrainians work - and is not interested, they are only interested in the territory covered with a thick layer of black soil, and politicians who are ready to nod at all the initiatives of the Euro-Robbery banks and at all the creeps to move NATO towards our Oryol and Belgorod. And the local bureaucrats are not only not interested in giving people work, but they do not know how to do it, and they pay them exactly the opposite. You look at Russia, we have many factories and hydroelectric power plants, ports and agricultural firms built in 20 years? So it will be the same there. If the Ukrainians will react in the same jabby manner - Kiev and Donbass will eventually come back to us, we ourselves will somehow take away Crimea from Wahhabism that had won by that time, and Galichina - well, do not hesitate to ass Europe, until we get bored. Bored, then bargain.
          And I would advise the Crimean Slavs to sell housing and temporarily gather in strong communities until the blood poured ...
        20. +1
          30 November 2013 12: 15
          Do you accept the bargaining of Ukraine for victory?


          When a prostitute (Ukrainian authorities, not to be confused with Ukraine and its people) begins to bargain - this is already a definite victory on her part, which is already good.
      2. +2
        1 December 2013 20: 43
        Quote: major071
        Pushkov, unlike many of our politicians, does not lie westward, but always stands on the side of Russia. IMHO. good And I like the script too. hi


        Sunset of Europe - Spengler on occasion is a good read. Geyropa in deep .ope.
        Poor ours in Ukraine do not understand this.
    2. +10
      29 November 2013 15: 44
      EU-Ukraine-Russia trilateral negotiations


      It smells of a pact for Brussels to stay with Lviv ......
      1. Fin
        +9
        29 November 2013 16: 10
        Quote: APES
        It smells of a pact for Brussels to stay with Lviv .....

        That would be the best way out.
        The EU, as before, decided to crank out its affairs without taking into account the interests of the Russian Federation and nothing came of it. Started turnip scratching what to do. And just need to leave Yulka in prison and make a promise 10-20 billion, and Yanyk will sign everything, he does not care about the people.
        1. zardoz
          +2
          29 November 2013 17: 15
          Yes, the amount you named is not enough. For the restructuring of technical regulations it is necessary 160. Russia will not pay for it, Ukraine is quite too heavy ...
          1. +2
            29 November 2013 19: 58
            so 10-20 billion is probably Yanyku, I’m not Ukraine))) if it’s only him, then enough))
      2. Airman
        +2
        29 November 2013 16: 15
        Interestingly, what will change if Russia takes part in the negotiations? Allows Ukrainians to associate with the EU and join the CU? What I doubt very much.
        1. +11
          29 November 2013 16: 20
          Quote: Povshnik
          Will Russia take part in the negotiations? Allows Ukrainians to associate with the EU and join the CU?


          differently:

          Russia will allow willing Ukrainians to leave for the EU, and Ukraine to reunite with Russia.

          Toko so !!!!!!!!!!
          1. +1
            29 November 2013 17: 41
            Quote: APES
            Russia will allow willing Ukrainians to leave for the EU, and Ukraine to reunite with Russia.

            Quote: APES
            It smells of a pact for Brussels to stay with Lviv ......


            I cannot say with 100% certainty, but I think that Putin, as the head of the "Game", will not give up an inch of post-Soviet land.
            Maybe this will happen as a result, when Lviv, having been present in the association, will send the associators to the address known to the Slavs ...)))
            1. Hudo
              +2
              29 November 2013 18: 27
              Quote: Tartary
              Maybe this will happen as a result, when Lviv, having been present in the association, will send the associators to the address known to the Slavs ...)))


              But actually Slavs do not live there in Lviv. And if they send the EU (which is very doubtful), then let them hang around like ram dung in an ice hole. Who needs such hemorrhoids as the Galicia district? Few problems in the Caucasus?
              1. +4
                29 November 2013 18: 40
                Quote: Hudo
                then let them hang around like ram dung in an ice hole. Who needs such hemorrhoids as the Galicia district?

                Kemsku parish ?!

                Half liter?! To smithereens ?! Yes, I ... am
                1. Hudo
                  +1
                  29 November 2013 18: 43
                  Do not stand illusions, dear. She (Galicia) to KEMSKAYA VOLOS !!!, as from Vinnitsa to Nice.
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        3. +4
          29 November 2013 16: 21
          Quote: Povshnik
          It is interesting, but what will change if Russia takes part in the negotiations?

          Nothing! So far, in Ukraine, nothing will change the brain for bekren.
          1. Antabka
            -28
            29 November 2013 16: 42
            I am very happy for you Russians !!!! wink You have brains in place. European states have united their own currency, their own parliament, which is not mutual assistance and agrees to join countries to digest them. Let them rot well with an average salary of $ 1000 Baltic States Poland Romania. But Russia is the RICHEST country with gas, oil and gold capable of making its citizens the richest inhabitants of the Earth For some reason, it’s very nervous and sucks Ukraine’s association Well, you don’t care to you - the wise !!!! tongue
            1. +10
              29 November 2013 17: 06
              Quote: Antabka
              I am very

              as I understand it, you liked Alexander Romanov crying
              Quote: Antabka
              Well, you are not exactly

              Look at yourself - how beautiful and dear you are !!!
              How can we not care ?!
              1. Antabka
                +4
                29 November 2013 17: 18
                Are you few Russian girls? feel
                1. Fin
                  +6
                  29 November 2013 17: 49
                  Quote: Antabka
                  Are you few Russian girls? feel

                  And what is your other nationality?
                  1. Antabka
                    -7
                    29 November 2013 17: 53
                    Ukrainian lol Already interested?
                    1. +3
                      29 November 2013 18: 11
                      Is this nationality?
                      1. Antabka
                        -4
                        29 November 2013 18: 24
                        No need to be rude. Or all Russians think that they alone live on the planet
                      2. Rusich51
                        +1
                        2 December 2013 17: 38
                        Swivel.
                        Malorosy, Belorosy, Velikorosy - I know there. There are no ukrov and there was not. The notions of Poles.
                      3. +2
                        29 November 2013 23: 01
                        this is a diagnosis!
                    2. Fin
                      +6
                      29 November 2013 19: 27
                      Quote: Antabka
                      Ukrainian lol Already interested?

                      And if at the end of the 19th century you were born and lived in this territory, what nationality would you be? Even Taras Shevchenko was not him.
                      1. Antabka
                        +3
                        29 November 2013 19: 42
                        And if I was born in the 16th century, what nationality did I have?
                      2. +5
                        29 November 2013 20: 05
                        Quote: Antabka
                        And if I was born in the 16th century, what nationality did I have?
                      3. Antabka
                        +2
                        29 November 2013 20: 15
                        Witty but not original
                      4. +3
                        29 November 2013 20: 53
                        Quote: Antabka
                        but not original


                        Is it more original?
                      5. smersh70
                        -1
                        30 November 2013 15: 00
                        Quote: Cherdak
                        Is it more original?

                        my friend is ashamed. because of political beliefs, this is how she treats a Slav ... if you treat her sister Slavs like that ... I wonder how you feel about representatives of other nations ... and then say ... what many people don’t want to TS ... here because of your such prejudices ..
                        ...
                      6. Fin
                        +4
                        29 November 2013 20: 25
                        Quote: Antabka
                        And if I was born in the 16th century, what nationality did I have?

                        Nataliya! To what am I leading, that there is no such nationality. We are one people.
                      7. 0
                        1 December 2013 21: 15
                        Quote: Antabka
                        And if I was born in the 16th century, what nationality did I have?

                        As now - Russian.
                      8. Rusich51
                        +1
                        2 December 2013 17: 45
                        In Russia in the 16th century you would be Russian as it should be. Do not listen to the Poles.
                    3. +2
                      29 November 2013 20: 04
                      Quote: Antabka
                      Already interested?
                      1. Antabka
                        +4
                        29 November 2013 20: 17
                        drinks I hope this is not a landscape for you?
                      2. +7
                        29 November 2013 20: 51
                        Quote: Antabka
                        I hope this is not a landscape for you?
                      3. Antabka
                        -7
                        29 November 2013 21: 07
                        Are you a communist?
                      4. +6
                        29 November 2013 22: 36
                        Better I'm a man!
                      5. Antabka
                        -11
                        29 November 2013 23: 09
                        WHAT ARE COMMUNIST SYMBOLS?
                      6. zardoz
                        +4
                        29 November 2013 23: 35
                        And you probably do not know how to read?
                      7. Antabka
                        -5
                        30 November 2013 01: 24
                        And the appearance of Ilyich, by the way ....
                      8. zardoz
                        +1
                        30 November 2013 01: 27
                        Does it bother you?
                      9. Antabka
                        0
                        8 December 2013 15: 47
                        it bothers you !!! there are already so many minuses (I don't like it !!!) Although there is nothing offensive - I just asked
                      10. zardoz
                        0
                        9 December 2013 12: 38
                        These symbols do not bother me, but yes you do :) You raised the question :)
                      11. Shuriken
                        +6
                        29 November 2013 23: 50
                        Key inscription
                      12. Antabka
                        0
                        8 December 2013 15: 44
                        ABOUT!!!! How it affects you (everything communist) is immediately minus. Why in life do not fight for ideas :)
                      13. zardoz
                        0
                        9 December 2013 12: 39
                        What's behind these conclusions?
                      14. +2
                        30 November 2013 00: 43
                        Quote: Cherdak
                        Quote: Antabka
                        I hope this is not a landscape for you?


                        Quote: Antabka
                        Are you a communist?

                        Nata, give a tip ...

                        In early 1922, the idea was put forward to use scout methods not among Komsomol members, but among children and the creation of a children's communist movement (DKD). I. Zhukov proposed for the new organization the name "pioneers" (borrowed from Seton-Thompson pioneering practice). Her symbols represented somewhat modified Scout symbols: a red tie (instead of green; it was already used by the Yuko people), a white (instead of green) blouse, and the Scout motto “Be ready!” and the scout’s answer to it is “Always ready!”. From scoutism in a pioneer organization, game forms of educational work with children, organization of children by groups, counselor institution, bonfire gathering, and elements of symbolism (for example, three petals of a scout badge lily in the pioneer badge replaced three fire flames, the three ends of the red pioneer tie began to mean three generations: pioneers, Komsomol members and communists). The scout call “Get Ready!” Has also survived. with a change in its focus on the struggle for the liberation of workers and peasants around the world.
                    4. +6
                      29 November 2013 20: 26
                      Do you want to be "Europeans"? To say a Ukrainian is like a Russian, not a Russian. The Russian woman and the Ukrainian woman are not nationalities, but simply residents of a particular region.
                      1. Antabka
                        -7
                        29 November 2013 20: 30
                        Sorry, but we can become Asian when the territory of Ukraine passes the Urals. So we live in Europe
                      2. +8
                        29 November 2013 20: 55
                        Quote: Antabka
                        we can become Asian when the territory of Ukraine passes for the Urals
                      3. +2
                        2 December 2013 08: 00
                        Ukraine is a project of Poles. The main thing is to divide one nation and weaken it. That the West has successfully continued to do this for centuries. Slavs are systematically and ruthlessly destroyed. In Germany, 3- or 40 thousand sorb remains. Yugoslavia destroyed, started for us. The corpse also wants to pull us. Something like this Antabka.
                      4. Antabka
                        -2
                        6 December 2013 17: 15
                        Respectfully yours, 1654 Pereyaslovskaya Rada - the annexation of Ukraine to Russia after many years of struggle with the Ylyakhs and Tatars. A question to you - Where were the Great Russians before that? Why did the mothers of Russian cities leave Kiev? By the way, the glorious city of Chernigov was a fortress and a border in those years of the Russian state. But what about the rest of Ukraine. Only in the time of Catherine the Great did the borders expand - right? An interesting question is with Lvov, which the Russian army captured only at the beginning of the 20th century from the Russians or something - since, according to your opinion, the Ukrainians do not have something of this "Lvov Russians" and now they are not delighted with this and there is nothing to blame the Poles, There are many black pages in history Ukraine and Poland are. In a sense, I share your opinion about the brotherhood of peoples
                      5. 0
                        8 December 2013 19: 45
                        Russian history is distorted by the Germans in the interests of the Romanovs. All these territories were inhabited by Rusich since ancient times, autochthons as is customary in scientific terms. But the Poles had fun notably. They planted a union specifically. Therefore, through the centuries such heartburn, especially among zapadentsev.
                      6. Antabka
                        0
                        9 December 2013 01: 04
                        Lomonosov had a different history of the Russian state, but the Romanovs worried :( So comrades live by Karamzin
                    5. +2
                      30 November 2013 15: 40
                      Quote: Antabka
                      Are you few Russian girls?


                      Quote: Antabka
                      Ukrainian lol Already interested?


                      ... not an hour ...? Behave like a casting ....
                    6. +2
                      1 December 2013 21: 14
                      Quote: Antabka
                      Ukrainian lol Already interested?

                      There has never been such a nationality. We are one people. That says it all.
                      And this geyropu in the latrine.
                2. +3
                  29 November 2013 17: 52
                  Little, but what?
                3. yur
                  yur
                  +3
                  29 November 2013 19: 54
                  Our Russians have a wide soul, we all like girls!
                  1. +6
                    29 November 2013 20: 02
                    Quote: yur
                    we all like girls!

                    But they like beautiful ones more laughing
                    1. +1
                      30 November 2013 16: 11
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      like more
                  2. Sax
                    Sax
                    +2
                    29 November 2013 20: 03
                    What about inner culture and brains?
                    1. Antabka
                      0
                      29 November 2013 20: 19
                      Thank! otherwise I’m alone here on the Russian website to defend the interests of my country and men, for my part, have still not been seen
                      1. zardoz
                        +1
                        29 November 2013 21: 59
                        It’s interesting what country do you advocate for?
                      2. Antabka
                        0
                        29 November 2013 22: 23
                        Do you think there is another Ukraine?
                      3. zardoz
                        +4
                        29 November 2013 23: 37
                        In my opinion you do not defend the interests of Ukraine and asked :)
                      4. +1
                        2 December 2013 07: 17
                        How long has your country become yours?
                    2. +3
                      29 November 2013 20: 56
                      Quote: Sax
                      What about inner culture and brains?
                      1. Antabka
                        +2
                        29 November 2013 21: 10
                        I thought that the site is military !!! It seems that I went in the wrong way ... But you are all about IT
                4. 0
                  29 November 2013 20: 32
                  Well, since you are such a Ukrainian, why don’t you go to the ua-zone, to the place where they write on the mov?
                  1. Antabka
                    -2
                    29 November 2013 20: 49
                    My company disgusts you. Sorry if I offended your national pride. So drive out because I'm Ukrainian?
                    1. +6
                      29 November 2013 20: 51
                      Quote: Antabka
                      My company disgusts you. Sorry if I offended your national pride. So drive out because I'm Ukrainian?

                      Yes, do not be offended ...
                      And your cool profile picture ... If this is yours ... recourse
                      1. Antabka
                        +1
                        29 November 2013 21: 11
                        I can change to another
                      2. +7
                        29 November 2013 21: 13
                        Quote: Antabka
                        I can change to another

                        Why, beautiful ...?
                      3. Antabka
                        0
                        29 November 2013 21: 23
                        Dear men, please discuss military topics - I feel uneasy
                      4. +10
                        29 November 2013 22: 30
                        So you started first. I like it, I don't like it, I don't like it a lot. You can say you entered the barracks during the "hang up" command. What did you want? And there is only one military theme. If Ukraine is in the EU, then it is automatically in NATO, and I hardly imagine myself as an occupier in my grandmother's garden. We are one country, one people and we have common problems. In the fascist camps, we were all called Russians without making any distinctions between Ukrainians, Kazakhs, Tatars, Russians and other peoples inhabiting our country. Think about it. hi
                      5. +6
                        29 November 2013 22: 39
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Dear men, please discuss military topics - I feel uneasy


                        How do you feel about new types of camouflage coloring?
                      6. Antabka
                        +4
                        29 November 2013 23: 14
                        I love !!! Beautiful thank you...
                      7. stroporez
                        +1
                        7 December 2013 10: 15
                        and a trident ------ at the type of herpes ?????????????
                    2. rodevaan
                      +1
                      1 December 2013 17: 21
                      Quote: Antabka
                      My company disgusts you. Sorry if I offended your national pride. So drive out because I'm Ukrainian?


                      “Don’t pay attention, comrade foolishly argued without thinking ... Alas, we also have enough fools who add oil to the discord and further division of our united people.”
                5. 0
                  2 December 2013 07: 13
                  And you are not too Russian?
              2. +12
                29 November 2013 17: 20
                Quote: APES
                How can we not care ?!

                Well, you may not, but I really do not care. Hto The second day on the site is arguing about integration with the EU ... Madame, study history, try to learn the basics of geopolitics, economics. One must think not only with heart and soul, but with some other mechanisms (for example, convolutions).
                1. Antabka
                  +7
                  29 November 2013 17: 28
                  Thanks for the advice. I will study feel
                  1. +10
                    29 November 2013 18: 21
                    Quote: Antabka
                    Thanks for the advice. I will study

                    Learning is light ... in a window ... and gas in a stove laughing
                    1. Alex 241
                      +14
                      29 November 2013 18: 29
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      Learning is light
                      And not learning, a little light and to work laughing
                    2. 0
                      1 December 2013 21: 34
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      Learning is light ... in a window ... and gas in a stove


                      ... and the gas in the stove is not stolen
                2. +6
                  29 November 2013 18: 24
                  Quote: Alexej
                  Madame, study history, try to master the basics of geopolitics, economics. One must think not only with heart and soul, but also

                  Armageddonych, do not spoil the girl, pushing her to ("many sorrows") she is beautiful in her virgin state in all respects. feel
                  1. Antabka
                    +10
                    29 November 2013 18: 59
                    HOW YOU ALL ATTACK ME, I DIRECTLY LOST TO WHO TO LISTEN TO what
                    1. +3
                      29 November 2013 19: 07
                      Quote: Antabka
                      HOW YOU ALL ATTACK ME, I DIRECTLY LOST TO WHO TO LISTEN TO

                      Listen to your heart. There are many advisers, but your heart is one. wink
                      1. Antabka
                        +10
                        29 November 2013 19: 28
                        Disappointed with the latest developments. No political firmness on the part of the Ukrainian government towards Europe and Russia. How prostitutes (who will pay for it and lie down) worry about their chairs ..... I'm disappointed .... am
                      2. +4
                        29 November 2013 19: 41
                        Quote: Antabka
                        No political firmness on the part of the Ukrainian government towards Europe and Russia. How prostitutes (who will pay for it and lie down) worry about their chairs ..... I'm disappointed ....

                        Yeah...
                        Yanek and Co. follow the path already beaten by the girls of easy virtue ... laughing
                      3. +5
                        29 November 2013 20: 09
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Disappointed with the latest developments. No political firmness on the part of the Ukrainian government towards Europe and Russia. How prostitutes (who will pay for it and lie down) worry about their chairs ..... I'm disappointed .... am

                        - About times, about morals! Beautiful girls show solid masculine burrows and demand the same from male politicians who behave like
                        Quote: Antabka
                        prostitutes
                        laughing Tell a thread to a knight in the past - you won’t believe laughing
                      4. 0
                        29 November 2013 22: 32
                        More likely to plant a spear! am
                      5. +2
                        29 November 2013 20: 21
                        Quote: Antabka
                        disappointed


                        better love a good russian guy wink
                      6. Antabka
                        +6
                        29 November 2013 21: 00
                        Thanks for the suggestion . Flattered, but so far enough of their own .... love
                      7. +6
                        29 November 2013 21: 52
                        Quote: Antabka
                        . How prostitutes (who pays for it and will lie down) worry about their chairs ..... I'm disappointed ....

                        Well what are you. So you can say almost about every country that broke away from the once mighty USSR. It’s not your politicians who are to blame (they simply have nowhere to go), and not ours, and not even Europe (if it wasn’t okay) ... It was just originally separation from the USSR was a mistake. It is like a person divided in parts, and then wonder why the limbs turn blue. And the limbs have already really turned blue, even if you sew right now, it is not a fact that it will take root.
                      8. Antabka
                        +6
                        29 November 2013 22: 04
                        Who wants to revive the Soviet Union does not have a head who does not regret it does not have a heart V. PUTIN
                      9. +5
                        29 November 2013 22: 14
                        Well, as you understand, you have a heart. So explain to me, what the hell is Europe for you, because you yourself must understand that anyway you will be on the very edge of it. What has Russia done wrong to your country, and what good has Europe done to you?
                        And I remember there was a power -
                        The Poles and Teutons were scared.
                        And every dog ​​was trembling,
                        Seeing our squadrons.
                      10. Antabka
                        +1
                        29 November 2013 22: 33
                        Farewell to the unwashed Russia, the land of lords, the land of slaves, and you are blue uniforms and you are a devoted people to them. Did you write Russian? Take a trip to Poland. I promise you will like it, and you would like to live like that, but already in Mother Russia
                      11. +3
                        29 November 2013 22: 37
                        You at least live in unwashed Russia. A little bit.
                      12. Antabka
                        +2
                        29 November 2013 23: 30
                        I looked at a map of Russia on the Internet. Quite often the non-residential villages ... Russia has gone far from Ukraine, but only closer to the capitals, and a little to the side .... which wimp is in Ukraine and you will not find rich live?
                      13. +7
                        30 November 2013 00: 29
                        Quote: Antabka
                        I looked at a map of Russia on the Internet. Quite often the non-residential villages ... Russia has gone far from Ukraine, but only closer to the capitals, and a little to the side .... which wimp is in Ukraine and you will not find rich live?
                        Yes, BAGATO, no one has such open spaces, but beauties, and natural ones, in the forests of mushrooms and berries, in rivers, lakes and seas - fish ... You just have to see VOOCHIA, and not on the Internet. "To sniff flowers in a gas mask and make a conclusion about their smell" - agree, at least strange, but more ... You lady, I won't say anything about this.
                      14. Antabka
                        +6
                        30 November 2013 01: 06
                        Yes, there are no hunters for such wealth, but from there crowds go to Moscow for money. Come down to earth. Who needs your beauty? Bread and circuses and half of Russia have come to Moscow
                      15. Alex 241
                        +5
                        30 November 2013 01: 07
                        The reference word is money!
                      16. zardoz
                        +5
                        30 November 2013 01: 16
                        I did not know that 70 million Russians live in Moscow.
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Yes, there are no hunters for such wealth

                        What makes you think that no? My mom, my sister and her husband went to Karelia this August as tourists. There are no relatives there. They really enjoyed it. They are going to repeat the trip next year.
                      17. Antabka
                        +5
                        30 November 2013 01: 27
                        Nice to read :) I also left the city with my family
                      18. zardoz
                        +1
                        30 November 2013 02: 15
                        Do you even understand the meaning of my comment?
                      19. Antabka
                        +2
                        30 November 2013 02: 38
                        I understood In addition to your relatives, there is no one to go to the province to name wink
                      20. zardoz
                        +1
                        30 November 2013 11: 47
                        There are a lot of people eager to go :) I gave mine as an example that there are those about whom you wrote about their absence. And there are quite a lot of tourists there, and even with cars with EU numbers they are often found
                      21. zardoz
                        +3
                        30 November 2013 00: 44
                        And the fact that 140 million people live on such a vast territory doesn’t tell you anything?
                      22. +3
                        30 November 2013 01: 06
                        Quote: zardoz
                        And the fact that 140 million people live on such a vast territory doesn’t tell you anything?
                        It says a lot, but this is our misfortune and problem, we don’t blame her for you.
                      23. zardoz
                        +1
                        30 November 2013 01: 17
                        Yes, I wrote this to a very smart girl
                      24. +1
                        30 November 2013 01: 45
                        Quote: svp67
                        but this is our misfortune and problem,
                        Well, which side to look at ... smile
                      25. 0
                        30 November 2013 14: 16
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Quite often non-residential villages ...

                        Why are people in the villages now? Spoil ecology?
                        My dear, my grandfather said that in their village in the spring it turned out to plow 400 people.
                        Now two Kirovets or John Deere open a whole agricultural area. Is the rural population falling, or is it growing in the geyrop?
                      26. stroporez
                        0
                        7 December 2013 10: 24
                        Moscow is by no means all of Russia, just like Galicia is not all of Ukraine. And at the expense of the wilderness ---- Yamal - how much further, but nicho lives, is being built. and by the way, local television regularly broadcasts in the "Ukrainian" language. and there are almost no interethnic graters .... so bad you looked at the map ......
                      27. +5
                        29 November 2013 22: 43
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Take a trip to Poland


                        The first time I got there at the age of 14, then I drifted regularly.

                        It was interesting at first, and then too boring. Dull, dirty, drunk and a lot of incomprehensible ambition.
                      28. +6
                        29 November 2013 22: 49
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Take a trip to Poland. I promise you will like it, and you would like to live like that, but already in Mother Russia

                        Seriously? And what is there, go to a football match, or can stand at the Russian embassy? You know, when I was 9-10 years old, I bothered my mother with my whimpering "it is so good there, it is beautiful and warm there, everyone is smiling ..." Do you know how my mother got my brain right? Yes, she told an anecdote, in which there was all the exhaustive morality "never confuse tourism with emigration" ... I chugged what was what even then, and I advise you to really assess the situation.
                      29. Antabka
                        +2
                        29 November 2013 23: 34
                        If Russia introduced prices for alcohol and tobacco, such as in Poland, Putin would have chalked up public gardens in the morning. The Russian mysterious soul ,,,,
                      30. +1
                        29 November 2013 23: 41
                        Quote: Antabka
                        If Russia introduced prices for alcohol and tobacco, such as in Poland, Putin would have chalked up public gardens in the morning. The Russian mysterious soul ,,,,

                        Plus, the first reasonable words
                      31. +1
                        30 November 2013 00: 31
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Take a trip to Poland.
                        We often go there on business, so what's so special. There is enough of both + and -, and in the end - "The same ...., only the view from the side" and the space they have is not the same ..
                      32. +9
                        30 November 2013 00: 48
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Farewell to the unwashed Russia, the land of lords, the land of slaves, and you are blue uniforms and you are a devoted people to them. Did you write Russian? Take a trip to Poland . I promise you will like it, and you would like to live like that, but already in Mother Russia

                        And why not to Germany, to France or the same Great British to the Turks, Albanians with Arabs and blacks to stare at during prayer ???
                        To be honest, this whole Europe and I didn’t give up ... the epic of getting a friend from a brothel, a Ukrainian woman from the Cherkasy region, was enough ...
                      33. +1
                        2 December 2013 08: 08
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Farewell to the unwashed Russia, the land of lords, the land of slaves, and you are blue uniforms and you are a devoted people to them. Did you write Russian? Take a trip to Poland. I promise you will like it, and you would like to live like that, but already in Mother Russia

                        The Russian will never like this gayrope crap.
                      34. +2
                        29 November 2013 22: 34
                        Violently plus !!!!! soldier
                      35. Antabka
                        -9
                        29 November 2013 23: 47
                        As I understand it --- glorify Russia --- Putin ---- the Russian way of life --- and in general everything Russian --- and you will not be held in high esteem with general epaulettes, it will take about five years to start hanging up and anyway why do you need an army with in your Russian spirit, if you need with axes and shovels and pitchforks in two weeks, you’ll wash all of Europe with blood and wash footcloths in the Bay of Biscay with your rudeness and drunk to sit you in your impassable taiga and scare the bears. God cited the chance to ride in the reserved seat with YOUR guest-workers until the car was on the ears before reaching Bryansk. And in Turkey, yes you can see a mile away. There is in Europe and I can’t hide the bad, but I can’t compare it with Russia. Where would you like to look at the unwashed Russia or the cultural west.
                      36. Alex 241
                        +9
                        29 November 2013 23: 53
                        Yes ma'am, carries you somewhere without a rudder and sails.
                      37. zardoz
                        +3
                        29 November 2013 23: 56
                        And you are not visible in Turkey?
                      38. +4
                        29 November 2013 23: 58
                        So she showed her true face. A sort of troll of a new formation. You on other sites - Bender (and you will be happy - pour mud on everything Russian and
                        you will be with general shoulder straps

                        dissent
                        implies the presence of at least some thoughts. And here you show good knowledge of agitation.
                      39. Antabka
                        +1
                        30 November 2013 00: 26
                        My face is on av ... I like it or not I like to solve it. It happens in different ways. I'm a half-breed. Mother was born under Arzamas father is Ukrainian. She herself was born in Minsk. All my life I lived in Chernigov. I speak Ukrainian and Russian. But to the bones I consider myself a Ukrainian, I have seen enough of the Russians. I visit relatives in Minsk quite differently. They come with us. And no one calls me Bender. But I’ll say openly if someone snoops with evil force into my native Chernigov, whether it’s a Russian Chechen or a Georgian, I won’t look at nationality, I’ll take a rifle and go shoot, believe me, I’m doing it very well. If I die, it’s not like a driven mongrel. And children can remember
                      40. Alex 241
                        +9
                        30 November 2013 00: 36
                        Quote: Antabka
                        I don’t look at the nationality of a Russian Chechen or Georgians, I’ll take a rifle and go shoot, believe me, I’m doing it very well. If I die, it’s not like a driven mongrel. And children can remember
                        And the husband will bring cartridges? And you bring up children in the same spirit?
                      41. Antabka
                        -1
                        30 November 2013 01: 11
                        Have you put things in order in Chechnya? I ask you to !!!! I beg !!! For God's sake, forget about Ukraine. The last Benderites in 52 were caught. Don’t ... We are like something ourselves. Is it worth fighting for your homeland or are you of a different opinion?
                      42. zardoz
                        +8
                        30 November 2013 01: 40
                        How can I forget about her? Give me gas, then gasoline ...
                      43. stroporez
                        +1
                        7 December 2013 10: 30
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Bendera’s last 52 caught
                        strange, but I saw them relatively recently in the Caucasus .........................
                      44. +1
                        8 December 2013 19: 56
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Have you put things in order in Chechnya? I ask you to !!!! I beg !!! For God's sake, forget about Ukraine. The last Benderites in 52 were caught. Don’t ... We are like something ourselves. Is it worth fighting for your homeland or are you of a different opinion?

                        Yes, your zapadentsy managed to spoil there. It is sad.
                      45. +5
                        30 November 2013 00: 43
                        Quote: Antabka
                        But to the bones themselves I consider myself a Ukrainian quite seen enough of the Russians.
                        Chernigov is a beautiful city with a huge number of temples and drowning in greenery and in the spring in the Desna floods ... A city full of history, Russian history, how do you live among all this? I think it’s normal, because it’s your homeland. So, what is completely incomprehensible, why did the Russians annoy you with the fact that you founded such a beautiful city that you are ready to defend? And it’s interesting how you distinguish people — is it Russian, this is Ukrainian, this is Belarus? On what grounds?
                        Quote: Antabka
                        If I die, it’s not like a driven mongrel. And the children may remember
                        Yes, you have lived for 100 years, someone else, but Russia doesn’t threaten you personally and your city, so get married to a good person of any nationality and give birth to children, so they will remember you faster and for longer ...
                      46. Antabka
                        -1
                        30 November 2013 01: 40
                        Why did the Russians founded? Why not Ukrainians? Or were the Russians earlier? The Slavs would say, I would not mind ...
                      47. +3
                        30 November 2013 04: 36
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Why did the Russians founded? Why not Ukrainians? Or were the Russians earlier? The Slavs would say, I would not mind ...

                        That is, the existence of Kievan Rus, you deny?
                      48. rodevaan
                        +2
                        2 December 2013 03: 13
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Why did the Russians founded? Why not Ukrainians? Or were the Russians earlier? The Slavs would say, I would not mind ...


                        - Because once again I repeat to you, there are no Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians — we are one people, temporarily divided by conditional borders! And we founded Kievan Rus - we are all together. Everything that our enemies in the West invents - all sorts of Russophobic stories - all this is done to divide us longer. For only when we are one are we invincible. West, west, - but there are also enough internal enemies. Selling pro-Western litter, a corrupt government that does not steal in any way, instead of raising both countries and heading for mutual integration.
                        And at the same time, there are enough ordinary idiots in the forums, on both sides, who yell at each other with foam at the mouth, some about their dumb non-closeness, and the second about their dumb great-power, not understanding one simple fact - that we - brothers in fact nothing to share. And so divided, nowhere else to go. And with our cries and mats at each other, we only move away, but never get any closer.

                        How long will it take for our people on both sides of the border to realize this, I don’t know ...
                      49. 0
                        2 December 2013 08: 14
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Why did the Russians founded? Why not Ukrainians? Or were the Russians earlier? The Slavs would say, I would not mind ...

                        Because it is one and the same. Do not talk about what you do not know.
                      50. Antabka
                        +1
                        6 December 2013 18: 54
                        It sounds only different - Russians - live in Russia, Ukrainians - in Ukraine, Belarusians - in Belarus. And when Kievan Rus was there were Krivichi, Drevlyans, Siveryan, glade. In a word, the Slavs are descendants of the Trypillian culture, Scythians and other peoples. But in the north of Kievan Rus and beyond its borders, other peoples lived with other related roots (look at the school textbook of the times of the USSR) and the Moscow Principality united them and spread its influence on what remained of Kievan Rus after the Mongol - Tatars. By the way, in the same textbook, you will read that separate principalities fought among themselves (see, even then, disputes arose between fraternal peoples) because the Mongols easily trampled across Russia. And the glorious city of Chernigov relied for a long time on the protection of different peoples. There were Tatars and Poles. All the bloodsuckers drank. Only now he became Russian only after the Pereyaslovskaya Rada in 1654
                      51. 0
                        8 December 2013 20: 00
                        Quote: Antabka
                        (look at the school textbook of the times of the USSR) here they were united by the Moscow principality and spread its influence on what remained of Kievan Rus after the Mongol - Tatars

                        Textbooks lie. I use the materials of independent researchers. The history of our people is proudly ancient and richer and more interesting.
                      52. Antabka
                        +1
                        10 December 2013 23: 16
                        Write the names of independent researchers - be sure to read their research. I hope the list will only contain Russian surnames?
                      53. Lesnik
                        0
                        10 December 2013 23: 22
                        If you specify who in your understanding is "independent expert" what
                      54. sapran
                        -3
                        30 November 2013 01: 19
                        And really. Why listen to these people? What would be more confidence to gain in your own choice?
                        Or is this a new trick? There and then all the "witty"! 99% of the l / s of the site thinks of themselves as a patriot of the fairelands (or at worst RUSSIAN).
                        100% know a special recipe for victory over the whole world and the accession of world grace .... and you are here with naivety. Believe me, here you can find a lot of interesting topics and learn from knowledgeable people ... but only, my God, do not get stuck in politics (here you have your own monastery and they have your own charter) See Historical Studies, read about the selection of snipers, Listen to bedtime stories about Skolkovo nanotechnology overture . But God forbid about Ukraine and about the tsar-father here everyone is very vulnerable ...
                      55. Antabka
                        -1
                        30 November 2013 01: 43
                        love Thank you so much for your support! Very nice and follow your advice
                      56. +5
                        30 November 2013 04: 41
                        Quote: sapran
                        But God forbid about Ukraine and about the tsar-priest here everyone is very vulnerable ...
                        So everything is simple - you want it or not, but we are all from ONE ROOT, and why suddenly one of the sprouts decided that it was not our native, it was simply not clear. You want to be Europe, so be it. Every morning, smile sweetly at each other and speak with respect to Pan or Pani, starting to appeal to any person, behave in a European manner - follow the agreements honestly and thoroughly, and until you yourself begin to do this, no association or partnership of you Europeans will do.
                      57. sapran
                        +3
                        30 November 2013 22: 36
                        Golden Words ... / While there is a mess in their brains, and actions "were for nothing" until elementary self-discipline increases and values ​​are reassessed We are neither Europe nor the TS and are unnecessary for nothing. To begin with, we ourselves need to get out of the "wash" and raise the bar of morality. And then we want to plump and eat in sweetness and that someone on the left will pay for it. Society is sliding towards "Lumpenism"
                        So while the "dive"
                      58. smersh70
                        +2
                        30 November 2013 19: 56
                        Quote: Antabka
                        I’ll look at nationality, take a rifle and go shoot at

                        brave woman ... true Lesya Ukrain .. wassat probably her grandfather was in the detachment of Kovpak .. laughing .
                        Quote: Antabka
                        whether it’s a Russian Chechen or a Georgian


                        and you will regret the Azerbaijanis ... at least take a prisoner .. we will come in handy ... we will supply oil ... bully
                      59. rodevaan
                        +1
                        2 December 2013 03: 00
                        Quote: Antabka
                        My face is on av ... I like it or not I like to solve it. It happens in different ways. I'm a half-breed. Mother was born under Arzamas father is Ukrainian. She herself was born in Minsk. All my life I lived in Chernigov. I speak Ukrainian and Russian. But to the bones I consider myself a Ukrainian, I have seen enough of the Russians. I visit relatives in Minsk quite differently. They come with us. And no one calls me Bender. But I’ll say openly if someone snoops with evil force into my native Chernigov, whether it’s a Russian Chechen or a Georgian, I won’t look at nationality, I’ll take a rifle and go shoot, believe me, I’m doing it very well. If I die, it’s not like a driven mongrel. And children can remember


                        - Well, you and heresy, dear! About the "cultural" west - no need to sing fables, I was in Storage - believe me, but my Vladivostok, on the outskirts of the world - is 2 times cleaner than dry Paris, where there is not a single white face in the metro ...
                        Soon there will simply be no white people left ...
                        As for the rifle - yes, during the Great Patriotic War, and at all times, we had women, God forbid every nation, such as ours, both beautiful and reliable ...
                        And about Ukraine - now a temporary tear, - but sooner or later, a single people will unite. Not yet time. But difficulties will unite, I am sure of this.

                        Yes, and yet - I personally will never come to Ukraine, to my second Motherland as an occupier. I just can’t imagine how I will go to the ancestral house in which I spent all my summer childhood, or to my friends, classmates, relatives, where I was accepted at home. And there are millions of people like me in Russia and Ukraine. How do you imagine that? Are you talking some nonsense, stupid ...
                        Better save your patriotism for real enemies - who have climbed on us from the west for centuries, or for the southern "friends", whose expansion is just around the corner.

                        There are no Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians - we are one people, and while we are dogging, we will poke around in it, and all sorts of "partner friends" will have us, you and them ... You don't have to be seven inches in your forehead for this do not understand, because history has shown this more than once since the time of princely strife ...
                      60. +1
                        8 December 2013 19: 55
                        Quote: Antabka
                        If I die, it’s not like a driven mongrel. And children can remember

                        Not exactly like a driven mongrel. Turn on your head, cleanse your brain of Western dope.
                      61. Antabka
                        +1
                        30 November 2013 00: 05
                        Of course, I got excited, but what is happening on this RUSSIAN website is simply outrageous. Not all Russians are bad and goons and have their freaks, but you need to change something, starting with yourself, at least not to spit past the ballot box. Respect your women do you talk about domestic violence Continue? You are men - the pride of the nation is that we call ourselves Ukrainians are ready to mix us in manure and others are just silent. They will be silent when a stranger is raped and maybe even attached. Oh man!
                      62. +3
                        30 November 2013 00: 08
                        Quote: Antabka
                        and they will be silent when a stranger girl is raped and maybe even attached.
                        Your fantasy seems to have gone the wrong way, if you haven’t noticed then a little bit different issues are being discussed ...
                      63. Antabka
                        -1
                        30 November 2013 00: 42
                        I traced my story on the site and I advise you, but you leave your comment for your compatriots. Do they write something about Russian that will not offend Russian? Nothing more to reply to my comment?
                      64. Alex 241
                        +5
                        30 November 2013 00: 44
                        Your story is a chain of slogans and proclamations.
                      65. Antabka
                        +1
                        30 November 2013 01: 13
                        Are there any quotes ...?
                      66. zardoz
                        0
                        30 November 2013 00: 48
                        And what did your story tell you?
                      67. +5
                        30 November 2013 00: 51
                        Quote: Antabka
                        I traced my history on the site and I advise you, and you leave your comment for your compatriots

                        Well, my small Motherland is Ukraine, so I can also address these comments to you as a COMPETENT.
                        Quote: Antabka
                        They write about it Russian Russian will not offend? Nothing more to reply to my comment?
                        You know, I have been living in the world for a long time and I am used to evaluating people more on business than on other grounds. And I know that every nation has DIFFERENT people, and to answer, if necessary, ALWAYS READY.
                      68. 0
                        1 December 2013 03: 36
                        Quote: Antabka
                        I traced my story on the site and I advise you, but you leave your comment for your compatriots. Do they write something about Russian that will not offend Russian? Nothing more to reply to my comment?

                        Now I’ll write that
                        The earth is round, how do you answer?
                      69. zardoz
                        +2
                        30 November 2013 00: 08
                        Well, start with yourself. Why bother others without starting with yourself?
                      70. +2
                        30 November 2013 00: 35
                        Not all Russians are bad and goons
                        Thank you kind man hi
                        but you need to change something, starting with yourself, at least from the fact that you don’t spit past the urn.
                        I agree with this.
                        Begin really with yourself
                        “It will take about five years to start hanging up and indeed why do you need an army with your Russian spirit, if necessary, with axes, shovels and pitchforks in two weeks, wash the whole of Europe with blood and wash footcloths in the Bay of Biscay with your rudeness and drunk to sit you in your impassable taiga and scare the bears»
                        “Russia has gone a long way from Ukraine, but only closer to the capitals, and a little to the side .... what wilderness in Ukraine and you will not find richly live?”
                        “WHAT ARE THE COMMUNIST SYMBOLS?” And I didn’t say that it was scary there, but the phrase GOT HERE HERE I did not come up with !!!!
                        “Farewell to the unwashed Russia, the land of the lords, the land of slaves, and you are blue uniforms and you are a devoted people to them. Did you write Russian?”
                        “Claims from Ukraine and the poor will squeeze it until it bows its head in front of Russia or puts its legs as it pleases”
                        «My impressions of Moscow and Muscovites are more negative than pleasant and in no case do not say that you are from Ukraine. Relationships change right away. Although not in all cases ”
                        “And this time the government crap. Frightened by the Russian trade blockade ... It’s better to die of hunger but have at least some pride in your worth ”
                        “Competition would strangle. However, now it will strangle us RUSSIA --- REVENSE --- for rebellion. Such is she, your mother. "
                      71. +3
                        30 November 2013 20: 10
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Oh man!

                        Nah ...
                        The old avatar was better. recourse
                      72. +2
                        1 December 2013 03: 47
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Of course, I got excited, but what is happening on this RUSSIAN website is simply outrageous. Not all Russians are bad and goons and have their freaks, but you need to change something, starting with yourself, at least not to spit past the ballot box. Respect your women do you talk about domestic violence Continue? You are men - the pride of the nation is that we call ourselves Ukrainians are ready to mix us in manure and others are just silent. They will be silent when a stranger is raped and maybe even attached. Oh man!

                        And what outrages you? Go to the Ukrainian site. By the way, you can call yourself whatever you like, you really need to interfere with something there. I am also a Ukrainian, but I live in Russia and do not think that there is a DIFFERENCE between us. And you printed a set of common truths and imagine that you uttered something special.
                      73. rodevaan
                        +1
                        2 December 2013 03: 21
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Of course, I got excited, but what is happening on this RUSSIAN website is simply outrageous. Not all Russians are bad and goons and have their freaks, but you need to change something, starting with yourself, at least not to spit past the ballot box. Respect your women do you talk about domestic violence Continue? You are men - the pride of the nation is that we call ourselves Ukrainians are ready to mix us in manure and others are just silent. They will be silent when a stranger is raped and maybe even attached. Oh man!


                        - I’m saying that there are enough idiots on the forum on both sides who spit in their own. I am sure that if I go to a Ukrainian site like this, tomatoes will fly to me too ....

                        And now hang your huge rifle on a nail, or else it’s firing, but it scares everyone in the house — and think to whom it’s profitable to quarrel and inflate in the corrupt (and there aren’t others) mass media frantic to each other ...
                      74. +2
                        2 December 2013 08: 19
                        Quote: Antabka
                        because we call ourselves Ukrainians are ready to mix us in manure and others are simply silent

                        NO ukrov, we are one people-it's notions Poles.
                      75. +2
                        8 December 2013 10: 53
                        Natasha, what do you have against the natives of the Bryansk region, you just got at the wrong time and in the wrong car drinks I was just born in the Bryansk region, and lived there until the age of 26, with short-term absences to work on a contract and in search of work, until I settled in the suburbs. I have many friends from Chernihiv, Sumy region, Moldova and other former republics of the USSR, with whom I studied at the technical school during the Soviet years and with whom I drank a lot of Moldovan wine, Russian and Ukrainian moonshine, with appetizer from feta cheese and lard. I didn’t notice that they drank less than me, and now sometimes we meet and drink, but not drunks after all, but adults and independent people with wives and children. Over the 15 years that I have been working, we had a lot of workers from Ukraine and Moldova, you know, there were different thieves and drunkards, but no less than Russians. So maybe we won’t say here that the Russians are all drunks, and you are saints. Remember how in my opinion in Nikolaev the girl was raped and set on fire alive, she died later from the fact that her internal organs were welded. Is that what Russian saboteurs did ?. There were also guys from western Ukraine who, coming to work in Moscow, cursed all Muscovites, Russians, and by the way you residents of Eastern Ukraine, and you should have seen with what hatred and neglect they spoke about you. The fact that you do not know how to live and sit on their neck. But most of all, I am finished off by a comrade from near Lviv who worked in the north, got an apartment in our house (their oil company signed an agreement with our company) lives in our city, grandchildren go to our schools, and he still curses Russians , and accuses all eastern Ukrainians of all sins of the past, present and future. And nothing seems to be used to it all, lives quietly and nobody touches him. It’s interesting if you had a Muscovite who came to Lviv and began to study Zapadentsev so long lived there?
                      76. Antabka
                        0
                        8 December 2013 15: 11
                        I'm tired of arguing here about anything. I don't remember who said probably some German --- Russians are hard to defeat, but it's hard for Russians to be winners. Please tell me you are not offended to live in a victorious country much worse than the defeated live because it was not aliens who rebuilt Europe, but you and I gave you the opportunity to plunder the USSR Well, who is to blame for this who stole or who allowed to steal. What is the use of Russia providing both Ukraine and all of Europe with gas. Russians from this do not live better, at least ordinary Russians. You are proud of your country as we are of ours, but you cannot decide anything in it, let alone govern. At least Ukrainians are trying to stand up and say their national "I", albeit not entirely successfully. I apologize to all people who have anything to do with Bryansk and Bryansk region if I have Oscarbed them.
                      77. 0
                        8 December 2013 20: 07
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Russians from this do not live better, at least ordinary Russians. You are proud of your country as we are our own, only you cannot decide anything in it, let alone rule.

                        Little Russia is part of Russia. Forget about ukrov - this is nonsense.
                      78. Antabka
                        +1
                        10 December 2013 23: 20
                        Do you have other thoughts or are you talking with an answering machine? Open your idea - I wonder why you think so?
                      79. +1
                        8 December 2013 20: 43
                        Of course, I would like to live better, but in general I live well, I work a lot, but there is prosperity, my parents get more or less decent retirement, I would like to live better, of course, I don’t like a lot of things, especially Moscow, and the regions do not starve of course, but not to say that they live well. Recently I called my parents, they said that the dairy
                        bought and immediately closed, more than 100 people on the street turned out, although the products were good, always took oil there. In short, good is also not enough, but still we have not reached the Maidan. Today in classmates he corresponded with his friend from Chernihiv, he did not go to Kiev, but some of his comrades decided to participate, let's see what happens request At least I don’t like what is happening on your Maidan, you can not trust those who are behind all this
                      80. 0
                        8 December 2013 20: 03
                        Quote: Antabka
                        They will be silent when a stranger girl is raped and maybe even attached. Oh man!

                        This is a bust, no fantasy.
                      81. Antabka
                        0
                        8 December 2013 21: 06
                        I read the comments of the Russians - your country is not robbed and raped. And you are probably against this and defend its interests. Why, then, do Russians live so poorly in such a huge rich and working country. Or is it my fantasy too?
                      82. 0
                        8 December 2013 21: 28
                        What do you specifically suggest? Take a pitchfork with an ax and go break what is left, how are you? to the joy of all these blue-asses, and to tear Putin apart as Gaddafi tore. So in Libya they already regretted it, I have a familiar pilot from transport aviation, he happens to be in Libya. There, the older generation curses the youth for what they have done. It is necessary to appreciate what is, but it is not necessary to break a lot of mind, to break it for long, only then you need to restore for a long time, did you teach history? Yes, you do not need to look far look at Serbia, Libya. Of course, our authorities are also on the verge, but the boiling point is still far away and although well-wishers add fuel to the fire, we are still far from your situation hi
                      83. Antabka
                        +1
                        10 December 2013 23: 39
                        Guys live as you want !!! You can continue to go with the flow and do not need to change or break anything. In a businesslike way, you can make repairs both with you and with us wink Here the past generation was not afraid to break and built the USSR on the wreckage of which we live. Politics are not made by ordinary people. Do you agree? What is happening in Ukraine is the consequences. People want to live better and fight for it. Well, you can continue to sail ... By the way, follow the history - in Russia there were most of all revolutions and riots. What is it about the classic Russian revolt said ....
                      84. zardoz
                        0
                        11 December 2013 01: 11
                        Quote: Antabka
                        in Russia there were most revolutions and riots

                        Most of all than where?

                        Quote: Antabka
                        People want to live better and fight for it.

                        These are your people Doboryutstsa to the collapse of Ukraine.
                      85. 0
                        8 December 2013 21: 31
                        Here they took a monument to Lenin broke request
                      86. Antabka
                        +1
                        10 December 2013 23: 40
                        Monument to IRON Felix on Lubyanka WHERE ???
                      87. +2
                        10 December 2013 23: 45
                        And in Zaporozhye there.
                      88. 0
                        11 December 2013 00: 37
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Monument to IRON Felix on Lubyanka WHERE ???

                        IN A FUNNY GARDEN
                      89. zardoz
                        0
                        9 December 2013 13: 01
                        What zanchit live poorly? Why do you think so? Have you ever been to Russia? Or then the Bulgarians are generally poor and citizens of Ukraine, And the Greeks too? The Spaniards are rolling in the same direction. I have a former employee in Greece who carries her daughter and grandson clothes from Lugansk. And they as a whole family come to Lugansk for treatment if suddenly something happened. Especially the teeth. And many friends who stayed abroad come to visit relatives and do not forget to visit the dentist.
                      90. Antabka
                        +1
                        10 December 2013 23: 28
                        Let's argue who lives richer? or can we open our eyes? Nizhny Novgorod region. not far from Arzamas, the village of Lopatino RICHLY LIVES !!! Avot Ukrainians from Greece and you can not expel-earnings higher than at home?
                      91. zardoz
                        0
                        11 December 2013 00: 49
                        As I understand it, is your brother living in this shovel-Moscow? :) In the Bulgarian villages oh how rich to live !!! :) As for Greece, I don’t know how to kick out of the plan - I have two friends who have left from there :) One of them has Greek citizenship.
                      92. Antabka
                        +1
                        11 December 2013 01: 10
                        My mom comes from there. Incidentally, there is an interesting case regarding earnings. One young Jew left for Israel and after living there did not return long. I ask - what came back and my parents stayed - answers And there they shoot and they call me into the army and earned it back. HERE IS GOOD. Ours is not like that, In Libya, war is in no hurry to leave, they all want to earn more
                      93. zardoz
                        +1
                        11 December 2013 01: 19
                        My friends are both Russian by nationality
                      94. +4
                        30 November 2013 00: 24
                        Quote: Antabka
                        As I understand it --- glorify Russia --- Putin ---- the Russian way of life --- and in general everything Russian --- and you’ll be with general epaulets
                        You misunderstood ...
                        Quote: Antabka
                        dissent is not held in high esteem
                        Well why, if it is SANE, and not just "dissent for the sake of dissent ...", then only welcome ...
                        Quote: Antabka
                        it will take five years to hang

                        Seeing a speck in someone else's eye, you do not notice a log in your own ...
                        Quote: Antabka
                        and indeed why do you need an army with your Russian spirit if you need with axes, shovels and pitchforks to wash all of Europe with blood in two weeks and wash footcloths in the Bay of Biscay
                        Toto You cut your, do you think that the Cherkasy with their settlers and bloomers can do it faster?
                        Quote: Antabka
                        your rudeness and drunk to sit you in your impassable taiga and frighten bears.
                        Dear you, have you ever seen the taiga? People from Europe pay big money to see her, so this is our property and we have nothing to be ashamed of. I don’t understand why she hurts you so much.
                        Quote: Antabka
                        God cited the chance to ride in the reserved seat with YOUR guest-workers until the car was on the ears before reaching Bryansk.
                        Have you checked the passports of all migrant workers and looked at their residence permit, what would you say so? But HOW Ukrainians who come back from the North walk, it is just "love-expensive" to see how, in other matters, all people of any nationality - people WALK from the heart, with all the ensuing consequences.
                        Quote: Antabka
                        And in Turkey, yes you can see a mile away.
                        Well, Ukrainians are often also heard ... earlier than seen.
                        Quote: Antabka
                        There is in Europe and I can’t conceal the bad, but I can’t compare it with Russia. Where would you like to look at the unwashed Russia or the cultural west.
                        This "cultured" lice crushed and scraped the dirt off the body, when in every Russian house there was a bathhouse and people washed in it, and let's not talk about culture, it does not save Europe from temporary "madness"
                      95. +2
                        30 November 2013 00: 55
                        Quote: svp67
                        Toto You cut your, do you think that the Cherkasy with their settlers and bloomers can do it faster?

                        I’ll ask you not to touch Cherkasy ...
                      96. +1
                        30 November 2013 01: 09
                        Quote: PSih2097
                        I’ll ask you not to touch Cherkasy ...

                        Do you mean the city or the Zaporozhye Cossacks?
                      97. +1
                        1 December 2013 03: 57
                        Quote: svp67
                        Quote: Antabka
                        As I understand it --- glorify Russia --- Putin ---- the Russian way of life --- and in general everything Russian --- and you’ll be with general epaulets
                        You misunderstood ...
                        Quote: Antabka
                        dissent is not held in high esteem
                        Well why, if it is SANE, and not just "dissent for the sake of dissent ...", then only welcome ...
                        Quote: Antabka
                        it will take five years to hang

                        Seeing a speck in someone else's eye, you do not notice a log in your own ...
                        Quote: Antabka
                        and indeed why do you need an army with your Russian spirit if you need with axes, shovels and pitchforks to wash all of Europe with blood in two weeks and wash footcloths in the Bay of Biscay
                        Toto You cut your, do you think that the Cherkasy with their settlers and bloomers can do it faster?
                        Quote: Antabka
                        your rudeness and drunk to sit you in your impassable taiga and frighten bears.
                        Dear you, have you ever seen the taiga? People from Europe pay big money to see her, so this is our property and we have nothing to be ashamed of. I don’t understand why she hurts you so much.
                        Quote: Antabka
                        God cited the chance to ride in the reserved seat with YOUR guest-workers until the car was on the ears before reaching Bryansk.
                        Have you checked the passports of all migrant workers and looked at their residence permit, what would you say so? But HOW Ukrainians who come back from the North walk, it is just "love-expensive" to see how, in other matters, all people of any nationality - people WALK from the heart, with all the ensuing consequences.
                        Quote: Antabka
                        And in Turkey, yes you can see a mile away.
                        Well, Ukrainians are often also heard ... earlier than seen.
                        Quote: Antabka
                        There is in Europe and I can’t conceal the bad, but I can’t compare it with Russia. Where would you like to look at the unwashed Russia or the cultural west.
                        This "cultured" lice crushed and scraped the dirt off the body, when in every Russian house there was a bathhouse and people washed in it, and let's not talk about culture, it does not save Europe from temporary "madness"

                        Damn you answered her much better than I. Respect and a little envy. I do not know how to find the right words. Put +, and what else to do.
                      98. +2
                        1 December 2013 03: 28
                        Quote: Antabka
                        As I understand it --- glorify Russia --- Putin ---- the Russian way of life --- and in general everything Russian --- and you will not be held in high esteem with general epaulettes, it will take about five years to start hanging up and anyway why do you need an army with in your Russian spirit, if you need with axes and shovels and pitchforks in two weeks, you’ll wash all of Europe with blood and wash footcloths in the Bay of Biscay with your rudeness and drunk to sit you in your impassable taiga and scare the bears. God cited the chance to ride in the reserved seat with YOUR guest-workers until the car was on the ears before reaching Bryansk. And in Turkey, yes you can see a mile away. There is in Europe and I can’t hide the bad, but I can’t compare it with Russia. Where would you like to look at the unwashed Russia or the cultural west.

                        Are everyone in Ukraine polite and non-drinking? If necessary, we will pass but not with axes. I was traveling with Ukrainian migrant workers in a bus, I was concussed by screaming and poisoned with "exhaust". You can be seen in Turkey as well as us. Look, of course, at the cultural West, where we haven’t come out with a snout. Drunken boors in the taiga. With a bear. Not washed. A mile away.
                      99. 0
                        1 December 2013 03: 29
                        Quote: Antabka
                        As I understand it --- glorify Russia --- Putin ---- the Russian way of life --- and in general everything Russian --- and you will not be held in high esteem with general epaulettes, it will take about five years to start hanging up and anyway why do you need an army with in your Russian spirit, if you need with axes and shovels and pitchforks in two weeks, you’ll wash all of Europe with blood and wash footcloths in the Bay of Biscay with your rudeness and drunk to sit you in your impassable taiga and scare the bears. God cited the chance to ride in the reserved seat with YOUR guest-workers until the car was on the ears before reaching Bryansk. And in Turkey, yes you can see a mile away. There is in Europe and I can’t hide the bad, but I can’t compare it with Russia. Where would you like to look at the unwashed Russia or the cultural west.

                        Are everyone in Ukraine polite and non-drinking? If necessary, we will pass but not with axes. I was traveling with Ukrainian migrant workers in a bus, I was concussed by screaming and poisoned with "exhaust". You can be seen in Turkey as well as us. Look, of course, at the cultural West, where we haven’t come out with a snout. Drunken boors in the taiga. With a bear. Not washed. A mile away.
                      100. +1
                        2 December 2013 08: 12
                        Quote: Antabka
                        As I understand it --- glorify Russia --- Putin ---- the Russian way of life --- and in general everything Russian --- and you will not be held in high esteem with general epaulettes, it will take about five years to start hanging up and anyway why do you need an army with in your Russian spirit, if you need with axes and shovels and pitchforks in two weeks, you’ll wash all of Europe with blood and wash footcloths in the Bay of Biscay with your rudeness and drunk to sit you in your impassable taiga and scare the bears. God cited the chance to ride in the reserved seat with YOUR guest-workers until the car was on the ears before reaching Bryansk. And in Turkey, yes you can see a mile away. There is in Europe and I can’t hide the bad, but I can’t compare it with Russia. Where would you like to look at the unwashed Russia or the cultural west.

                        I wonder how you brainwashed the west. Sorry for the Slavs.
                      101. 0
                        8 December 2013 19: 53
                        Quote: Antabka
                        it will take five years to start hanging up and indeed why do you need an army with your Russian spirit if you need to wash all Europe with blood and axes with shovels and pitchforks in two weeks and wash your footcloths in the Bay of Biscay with your rudeness and drunkenness and scare the bears in your impassable taiga.

                        Well this is crap. Husband zapadentets or what? Why justify your own people. Hamla is everywhere, and in your sweet heart west.
                      102. +2
                        30 November 2013 00: 28
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Who wants to revive the USSR has no head who does not regret it has no heart.Antabka
                        since GDP didn’t say that.
                        “The one who was not a revolutionary in his youth has no heart.
                        Those who have not become a conservative in maturity have no brains. "- both Churchill and Disraeli are credited.
                      103. +1
                        2 December 2013 08: 06
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Who wants to revive the Soviet Union does not have a head who does not regret it does not have a heart V. PUTIN

                        It is simply the duty of every decent person to revive not the USSR but our empire.
                      104. Rusich51
                        +1
                        2 December 2013 20: 33
                        Quote: Sandov
                        It is simply the duty of every decent person to revive not the USSR but our empire.

                        Malorosy, Belorosy, Velikorosy should unite in this desire. Then the devil himself is not our brother.
                      105. 0
                        29 November 2013 23: 08
                        but had it ever been different !?
                      106. rodevaan
                        0
                        1 December 2013 17: 26
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Disappointed with the latest developments. No political firmness on the part of the Ukrainian government towards Europe and Russia. How prostitutes (who will pay for it and lie down) worry about their chairs ..... I'm disappointed .... am


                        - I dare to assure you that despondency will still be long. Unfortunately. They will continue to lie to Ukraine until finally either the people get it completely and they raise all this goblet in power to the forks, or some strong person comes who, in spite of everything, starts to lift the country out of the dung swamp, in which now she is situated. God grant that the efforts of this person would be aimed at integration and reunification with Russia. For who needs us more in this world than as each other. The West needs you as a bridgehead against us, no more.

                        I hope God hears my words.
                3. 0
                  29 November 2013 19: 04
                  Quote: Alexej
                  Hto


                  Ukraine.
                  I like to express myself figuratively ....
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            3. +12
              29 November 2013 17: 11
              Quote: Antabka
              .And Russia is the RICHEST country with gas, oil and gold, capable of making its citizens the richest inhabitants of the Earth. For some reason, it is very nervous and sucks Ukraine’s association. Well, you don’t have everything.

              One more pragmatic wise Ukrainian soul ... I will translate from Russian into Russian - as our Volodya wants, such an fate will be independent ... Personally, I would not connect in his place, if two-thirds of the population are for integration. What if they would join the EU, try to work in Europe (though they don’t know where to go for other Gastrik people), they would throw you eureka for promotion, only they would buy something from you (they have everything they own). You would have been afloat for two years (or even less), and then again the loan in eureka, not life - raspberry ... But what am I writing to you here, living in a country with gas, oil and gold, but with bare backside ... I just need to be clever.
            4. +1
              29 November 2013 17: 12
              Learn the story! For me, even if you’re getting into shit, there won’t be any sense! He was a slave to him and you will stay wherever the country enters.
            5. zardoz
              +6
              29 November 2013 17: 18
              And what will you do with such an average salary? :)) Live in Ukraine for $ 300
            6. Fin
              +3
              29 November 2013 17: 47
              Quote: Antabka
              to digest them in yourself.

              You wrote it right to digest. But what about the independence? Where is the national pride?
              1. +4
                29 November 2013 21: 38
                to digest them in yourself.
                Well, that's right. But now the question is: what does the digested eventually turn into, and where does this digested end up?
                1. Antabka
                  0
                  10 December 2013 23: 47
                  You tell your beloved woman who has a tourist invitation in her hands on the Cote d'Azur. Beloved, why do we need this foreign country - we’ll go better in Sochi and suddenly we will turn into IT ... You can assume a response
            7. +10
              29 November 2013 17: 49
              It was interesting and correct to hold a referendum and everything would be resolved, in fact.
              1. +2
                29 November 2013 18: 13
                Quote: viruskvartirus
                It was interesting and right to hold a referendum

                +, but neither yours nor ours will ever agree to this.
                1. 0
                  29 November 2013 18: 53
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  they never will.

                  afraid to know the truth ....
                  1. +2
                    29 November 2013 19: 09
                    Quote: APES
                    afraid to know the truth ...

                    They know her. They also know that the knowledge that you are not alone in your beliefs will consolidate people, and that they are afraid of consolidation.
              2. +4
                29 November 2013 20: 34
                Quote: viruskvartirus
                It was interesting and correct to hold a referendum and everything would be resolved, in fact

                Now in the newspaper Today there is a poll "Do you support the decision to postpone the association"
                47% - Yes
                37 - No, and ready to go to the rally
                15 - No, but I won’t go to the rally
                4 - I don't care
                Total Voters - 36089
                1. Fin
                  +1
                  29 November 2013 23: 37
                  Quote: Egoza
                  Now in the newspaper Today there is a poll "Do you support the decision to postpone the association"

                  Interest does not converge. Somewhere they lie.
            8. +3
              29 November 2013 18: 30
              Why did you decide that with the entry into the EU, everything will be fine right away? Salaries will rise, there will be no unemployment? And why did Europe really need it, didn’t they think? Have you thought that you will join the EU and the standard of living in Belgium will be like? And why all of a sudden? There are only a million Lithuanians, and they don’t know who to hire shoes to clean or milk cows in Germany.
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            10. +4
              29 November 2013 19: 40
              We are experiencing, first of all, for what a mess happened, and Ukrainians will be driven to our machine guns ....
              1. +1
                29 November 2013 22: 36
                I can’t shoot !!! stop
            11. +5
              29 November 2013 20: 01
              Quote: Antabka
              Let them rot well with an average salary of $ 1000 Baltic States Poland Romania.


              The Poles have already landed ... and quietly crawl away from the Euro
            12. +8
              29 November 2013 20: 03
              Quote: Antabka
              I am very happy for you Russians !!!! wink You have brains in place. European states have united their own currency, their own parliament, which is not mutual assistance and agrees to join countries to digest them. Let them rot well with an average salary of $ 1000 Baltic States Poland Romania. But Russia is the RICHEST country with gas, oil and gold capable of making its citizens the richest inhabitants of the Earth For some reason, it’s very nervous and sucks Ukraine’s association Well, you don’t care to you - the wise !!!! tongue
              - Uh, excuse me, I read and did not intervene, since there is actually a purely Slavic conversation here, I do not intervene now, I will only confine myself to a wish - I would be glad to see the Ukrainians again in that friendly family where we lived before. Well, or about the same friendly.
              Actually, why I decided to intervene here. I understand your sympathy for the West, I understand that you like the smell of rotting the West, however, I apologize for the personal question - (...................... ........deleted by moderator)
              Just talking about politics with a girl is boring and does not need either a man or a girl. I think in these cases there are more interesting topics, so I would like to discuss these topics -))))
              1. Antabka
                +6
                29 November 2013 20: 23
                Aksakal, I’d talk to you, but it’s a shame for the power - there is no one to defend
                1. +3
                  29 November 2013 20: 43
                  And men hde? belay Offended by the power - This is their business! Aw, men, get involved in the original male affair and leave the girl to engage in the original female affair!
                  1. +3
                    29 November 2013 23: 47
                    Quote: aksakal
                    And men hde? belay Offended by the power - This is their business! Aw, men, get involved in the original male affair and leave the girl to engage in the original female affair!

                    And men are resting, suddenly a war, and they are tired laughing
                2. +3
                  29 November 2013 21: 01
                  Quote: Antabka
                  It's a shame for the power - there is no one to defend
                  1. Antabka
                    +3
                    29 November 2013 21: 17
                    Stupid, probably - I can’t understand why you are
                    1. +2
                      29 November 2013 22: 47
                      Yes, about your maydanutyh. You need to work and you will have "European happiness"
                      1. +1
                        29 November 2013 22: 50
                        They still continue to believe in the groom (the good strangers uncles will wave their magic wand and everything will be fine)
                      2. +5
                        29 November 2013 23: 30
                        Quote: Cherdak
                        Yes, about your maydanutyh. You need to work and you will have "European happiness"
                        - I don’t like Dorenko, but he is a good speaker, he knows how to speak juicy, and yesterday he said just that: "To be Ukraine's supplier of juicy female meat to the best European tables, and over every Ukrainian there will be a German with a whip:" Arbeiten, Schnelle! " Whatever it is - you have to work! But then why isn't it working for you now? Good night! "
                        Not from these with whips and other geyropskogo meat-eaters you gathered to protect the power, dear Antabka? Is it possible in this case to stand next to you in a trench? feel But still I think that your men will cope with the defense themselves, but we’re better off not in the trenches, I know a more positive place here, where you can discuss completely non-political issues wink
                      3. sapran
                        +2
                        30 November 2013 01: 28
                        You are absolutely right to work conscientiously and wisely. But to work and to waste is a bit different concepts. It is not clear that Some of them see themselves as Panami, the second here imagine themselves as Barinas, the third are frightening with Burgers. but it seemed how easy it is to be the OWNER on YOUR LAND. And there is no need for wrongs or leftists, otherwise there are "idolaters" that are not in the world themselves and so that there is peace and order around ...
                3. 0
                  3 December 2013 13: 00
                  Quote: Antabka
                  Aksakal, I’d talk to you, but it’s a shame for the power - there is no one to defend

                  What power? For our centuries-old alliance of malorosov, belorosov and Velikorosov?
              2. +6
                29 November 2013 22: 42
                Dear aksakal, Russian is not necessarily Slavic. Russian is the one who considers himself to be so. Here you speak Russian, think how Russian means you to me, but I’m just a Ukrainian, but I was born in Russia and consider myself Russian. I apologize if I offended you. . hi
            13. +3
              29 November 2013 20: 20
              Western benefactors will suck your Ukraine and throw them out, and you will blame Russia for everything as usual.
              1. Antabka
                -3
                29 November 2013 20: 34
                They have our Ukraine and sundry, but there is no one to defend it. And this time the government crap. Frightened by the Russian trade blockade ... It is better to die of hunger but have at least some kind of pride in your worth
                1. zardoz
                  +8
                  29 November 2013 22: 07
                  Well, for example, I do not feel pride from the association of Ukraine with the EU
                  1. Antabka
                    +1
                    29 November 2013 22: 42
                    Your opinion ... But the government buried its pride a long time ago
                    1. zardoz
                      +2
                      29 November 2013 23: 45
                      Quote: Antabka
                      But the government buried its pride a long time ago


                      What does the government and pride have to do with it?
                    2. +3
                      30 November 2013 00: 33
                      Quote: Antabka
                      Your opinion ... But the government buried its pride a long time ago

                      honestly, that you’ve been offended by the government, here’s your Council - it’s been engaged in a circus since its foundation, and so much so that Yuri Nikulin did not dream ...
                2. +3
                  29 November 2013 22: 48
                  Quote: Antabka
                  Frightened by the Russian trade blockade ...


                  And what is this pearl? What a blockade - they checked much softer than the same Poles or Balts.
                  1. Antabka
                    +3
                    30 November 2013 00: 48
                    You saw kilometer-long lines of trucks at the border, and this is just the beginning
                    1. +8
                      30 November 2013 01: 02
                      Quote: Antabka
                      You saw kilometer-long lines of trucks at the border, and this is just the beginning
                      And here the story is generally anecdotal. Four months ago, Russia began to implement EVERYTHING ACCORDING TO THE PREVIOUSLY SIGNED AGREEMENTS WITH UKRAINE and in response received, to put it mildly, the perplexity of the Ukrainian side and the statement of Ukrainian politicians that Russia was "too formal" about the implementation of the previously reached agreements. That is, when the Russian side turned a blind eye to Ukrainian "pranks" in the form of semi-legal goods and, let's call it directly SPONSORING Ukraine, it was normal, but when it stopped doing it, it became WRONG. And your Yanukovych was smart enough to demand compensation from the EU for these "losses" in four months, in addition to asking for help ... You are funny. No one but you is NOT to blame for your troubles, or you will have to admit that you have not yet left kindergarten age ..
                      1. sapran
                        +2
                        30 November 2013 01: 56
                        Here is a definite plus for you. It would have long since put things in order at the border in accordance with the regulations of the garrison guard service. And every three months something new from the rules and norms was introduced. Here you immediately go to the treasury and the nation is healthy. In general, positive and again usefulness. May the Russian soul not become scarce for inventions and entertainment. (The more you get rid of the more you pour water on the "someone else's mill") So far, 100% success is on your face (just a bit left)
                      2. +1
                        30 November 2013 05: 13
                        Quote: sapran
                        May the Russian soul not falter for fiction and entertainment.
                        I can calm you down, our souls are the same, and the ability to invent too - "blood" is almost the same
                      3. 0
                        3 December 2013 13: 07
                        Quote: svp67
                        Quote: sapran
                        May the Russian soul not falter for fiction and entertainment.
                        I can calm you down, our souls are the same, and the ability to invent too - "blood" is almost the same

                        Without almost. Malorosy however.
                3. rodevaan
                  0
                  2 December 2013 03: 33
                  Quote: Antabka
                  They have our Ukraine and sundry, but there is no one to defend it. And this time the government crap. Frightened by the Russian trade blockade ... It is better to die of hunger but have at least some kind of pride in your worth


                  - Your patriotism is on the right track, otherwise it wears you without sails ... Nevertheless, it is better for a woman not to get into politics. Let the men think about rifles, but you'd better give birth to children, but more. And then we are dying, Slav brothers!
                4. 0
                  3 December 2013 13: 03
                  Quote: Antabka
                  They have our Ukraine and sundry

                  Lyakhi have you, malorosy are the same Russian called Poles Ukrainians.
            14. +4
              29 November 2013 20: 24
              For some reason, she’s very nervous and sucks Ukraine’s entry into the association. Well, aren’t you all the same? Where are we to you-wise !!!
              Actually, it would not be bad to know anything about this.
            15. +8
              29 November 2013 20: 31
              We at least remain Russian, and do not renounce ourselves in order to become the second grade among strangers.
              1. rodevaan
                +1
                2 December 2013 03: 36
                Quote: EvilLion
                We at least remain Russian, and do not renounce ourselves in order to become the second grade among strangers.


                - Gold words! It is a pity that the Ukrainians do not understand this yet ... And the huge number of "Russians" too ...
        4. +3
          29 November 2013 16: 28
          Quote: Povshnik
          It is interesting, but what will change if Russia takes part in the negotiations?

          I understand that ours will use their own weapons. Those. as much as possible, for years to come, this negotiation process will turn into a "talking shop".
      3. +4
        29 November 2013 18: 05
        Quote: APES
        It smells of a pact for Brussels to stay with Lviv ......

        Andrei, there are no fools either, they are considering the deal only in its entirety. Even in the case of the unification of Russia and Ukraine, the western regions of Ukraine will always be the sore spot that you can put pressure on. In due time so used Poland.
        1. +3
          29 November 2013 19: 01
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          western regions of Ukraine will always be that sore spot


          which I mean by Leo and meant

          I’ll add about the pact - it will be 2's strontium wink
          1. 0
            30 November 2013 00: 35
            Quote: APES
            I’ll add about the pact - it will be 2-sided wink

            A la poland 1939 ???
      4. Cat
        +6
        29 November 2013 18: 52
        Quote: APES
        It smells of a pact for Brussels to stay with Lviv ......

        But what about Brussels that Lvov surrendered, what is there to take, except for "independent" slogans and monuments to Bandera? No industry (even outdated, "made in the USSR"), no minerals, no energy, no agriculture ... the working-age population, for the most part, already has a Sabbath either in Europe or in Russia - what will the EU get in the event of Western ? Nothing, perhaps an extra hemorrhoids (when svidomye with yasnovelmozhnym start a brother on the theme of the "heroic" past).
        But if Central, Eastern and Southern Ukraine, together with Crimea, would be a different matter, there would be a place for the European Union to turn around ... But alas. As the saying goes, the Native American hut, that is - figs to you, gentlemen of the Europeans.
        1. 0
          30 November 2013 00: 38
          Quote: Cat
          no minerals, no energy, no agriculture ...

          Well, the fossils on the Snake’s shelf - they gave to the minders ...
          1. Cat
            0
            30 November 2013 12: 56
            Quote: PSih2097
            Well, the fossils on the Snake’s shelf - they gave to the minders ...

            and what does Snake have to Western Ukraine?
      5. +1
        30 November 2013 12: 19
        It smells of a pact for Brussels to stay with Lviv .....

        I think if negotiations drag out, Brussels will have to give Poland with Moravia, Serbia and Bulgaria.
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    4. +24
      29 November 2013 15: 58
      Quote: ...
      As recently as today, Yanukovych compared the association with the European Union with a loop


      What did he think before? In the end, he is Ukrainian and not Moldavian, they have already signed an agreement with the EU, because it is not for nothing that they say One Moldavian is durin, two Moldovans are two fools, three Moldovans are the Moldavian Academy of Sciences.

      Scientists from the Moldavian Academy of Sciences have proved that the Earth is not round. She is dirty and creaks on her teeth.
      Scientists from the Moldavian Academy of Sciences have proved that the smallest people live in photographs
      Scientists from the Moldavian Academy of Sciences came to the conclusion that most of the vitamins are in the pharmacy.
      Scientists from the Moldavian Academy of Sciences have decoded traffic signals.
      1. +9
        29 November 2013 16: 02
        Quote: Vadivak
        Scientists from the Moldavian Academy of Sciences have proved that the Earth is not round. It is dirty and creaks on its teeth. Scientists from the Moldavian Academy of Sciences have proved that the smallest people live in photographs Scientists from the Moldavian Academy of Sciences have come to the conclusion that most of the vitamins are in the pharmacy.


        Can you refute this ???? belay

        laughing laughing laughing
        1. series
          +7
          29 November 2013 16: 33
          Quote: APES
          Can you refute this ????

          and you ask how the action is. MEMBER ... AN of Moldova! ? wassat
        2. +5
          29 November 2013 16: 57
          Quote: APES
          Can you refute this ????


          Laugh together now

          A textbook on the new history of Moldova for the 11th grade, authors corresponding member of the ASM, professor Demir Dragnev and candidate of historical sciences

          They call "all these Poles, Greeks, Armenians and Jews real scum who pollute Chisinau."
          “General Antonescu,” according to the author, “is an outstanding personality,” and he justifies Hitler's invasion of the USSR by unsubstantiated repeating the Hitler-Goebbels myth about the preparation of the Soviet Union for an attack on Germany. Here, the distinguished professor claims that "the Romanian and German units liberated Bessarabia, the north of Bukovina and the Hertz region." Hitler and Antonescu are presented as liberators and on page 71 you can read that they waged a war against the Soviet peoples with the aim of freeing them from slavery. On page 69, we learn that during the war the population of "Bessarabia and Transnistria" decreased due to the policy of the Soviet regime. There is not a hint of the mass terror of the invaders against the civilian population and the genocide of half a million Jews by the "liberator" Antonescu.
          This textbook was republished in Romania in 2011 with money from the Romanian government and is currently the main textbook for studying "domestic" history for XNUMXth grade students.
          1. +6
            29 November 2013 18: 23
            Quote: Vadivak
            There is not a hint of the mass terror of the invaders against the civilian population and the genocide of half a million Jews by the "liberator" Antonescu.

            And where are the cries of Professor and his whole gang am on this occasion? No time to read Moldavian textbooks? request Do American magazines mean reading time? angry
            1. +6
              29 November 2013 20: 46
              Quote: retired
              Quote: Vadivak
              There is not a hint of the mass terror of the invaders against the civilian population and the genocide of half a million Jews by the "liberator" Antonescu.

              And where are the cries of Professor and his whole gang am on this occasion? No time to read Moldavian textbooks? request Do American magazines mean reading time? angry
              - Um, dear, did you just notice the amazing selectivity of the professor and his team (atalef and other lads)? They've been laughing at it for a long time laughing
              1. +1
                29 November 2013 21: 09
                So not today ... But this is a matter of prince. Where are the screams? And atalef blacklisted me. I could not stand the poor fellow crying Amen drinks
                1. +4
                  29 November 2013 23: 55
                  [quote = senior citizen] So not today ... But this is the business of a prince. Where are the screams? And atalef blacklisted me. I could not stand the poor fellow crying Amen drinks[/ Quote
                  Congratulations, you have received an honest person certificate. And don’t worry, we have a good company drinks
                  1. +1
                    30 November 2013 01: 24
                    Quote: Old Rocketman
                    we have a good company

                    And I had no doubt! drinks hi
          2. 0
            29 November 2013 18: 56
            Quote: Vadivak
            Laugh together now


            it is sad....

            I hope my previous joke didn’t hurt you, I liked the joke, I decided to cheat

            sorry hi
        3. +2
          29 November 2013 18: 19
          Quote: APES
          The Moldavian Academy of Sciences came to the conclusion that most of the vitamins are in the pharmacy. Can you refute this ????

          For example, I do not. But X okhl will say that there are more vitamins in fat. And they still do not take into account the burner ...
          1. +4
            29 November 2013 18: 59
            Quote: retired
            more vitamins in fat


            truth so + honesty and brown bread and all this with borscht,
            only fat should be right.

            himself
            Quote: retired
            X ohol
            - so that I understand the issue wink
            1. +3
              29 November 2013 19: 36
              Quote: APES
              X ohol - so that I understand the issue

              I’m out of luck ... I don’t have anyone in my family (there are no Jews, pah, pah, pah!). But there are no okhlov ... Although both the uncle and the aunt in Pavlograd have lived their whole lives ... But in the fat I know the same way feel ... In the refrigerator 3 grades lies! I brought it here from a business trip. And when I drive to Ukhta in kmndr, we always go to Prince Pogost (Emva) to the market. There is one German SUCH smoked bacon makes - mind eat !! No worse than the one we bought in Poltava ... Well, or in the city of Rudny in Kazakhstan. Again, the Germans ... Tutv Saratov was on vacation with his former cadet visiting. His mother (German) smokes bacon. Also great ...
            2. +6
              29 November 2013 20: 49
              Quote: APES
              Quote: retired
              more vitamins in fat


              truth so + honesty and brown bread and all this with borscht,
              only fat should be right.

              himself
              Quote: retired
              X ohol
              - so that I understand the issue wink

              - the right bacon - should it be in chocolate? Chernomyrdin spoke. Excuse me, I'm just not very good at lard, although they say here: "What Kazakh lad doesn't like lard?"
              1. +3
                29 November 2013 20: 54
                Quote: aksakal
                - the right fat - it should be in chocolate

                Yeah. Even kosherfeel
                1. +2
                  29 November 2013 20: 59
                  Quote: retired
                  Yeah. Also kosher

                  Well artists. lol
            3. +3
              30 November 2013 01: 07
              Quote: APES
              truth so + honesty and brown bread and all this with borscht,

              the main thing is that in the borscht the greaves would be swimming ...
              1. +2
                30 November 2013 01: 34
                Quote: PSih2097
                the main thing is that in the borscht the greaves would be swimming ...

                Those. hot pepper to be filled with borsch in the mouth - doesn’t it matter anymore ?? And the dumplings ?? What about sour cream? Home, ess-but? No Dear! Here everything in the complex is necessary, in the complex ...
                1. +3
                  30 November 2013 01: 47
                  Well, you can’t do that. I was already tired of running to the refrigerator. Hidden advertising is somehow. laughing laughing
                  1. +2
                    30 November 2013 02: 01
                    Quote: stroitel
                    Well, you can’t do that. I was already tired of running to the refrigerator. Hidden advertising is somehow

                    Quiet, quiet ... Not any advertising! It's just that one Major with mushrooms poisoned his soul. And I HAD ... Well, now there IS ... And I have a bite of bacon and mushrooms !!! And borsch is tomorrow (today) we will do! Where's the wife am will not go away !! Almost hohlyachka! Father-in-law! Well, let it be a Ukrainian! Well, never, no one was offended before ... When they started, I wonder ...
                    1. +1
                      30 November 2013 02: 05
                      It's just that one Major with mushrooms poisoned his soul. And I HAD ..
                      Quote: Cherdak

                      Have a good evening!
                      After that, it started ...
                      1. +1
                        30 November 2013 02: 07
                        Quote: stroitel
                        After that, it started ...

                        What ... And you HAVE?
                      2. +1
                        30 November 2013 02: 10
                        Quiet, quiet ... It was, it was already drinks
                      3. +1
                        30 November 2013 02: 22
                        Quote: stroitel
                        It was, it was already

                        Hmm ... And so far I have ended ... But nothing. I'll go rummage yet ... My wife and mother hid my bookmarks. But the apartment is not so big ...
                    2. 0
                      3 December 2013 13: 16
                      Quiet, quiet ... Not any advertising! It's just that one Major with mushrooms poisoned his soul. And I HAD ... Well, now there IS ... And I have a bite of bacon and mushrooms !!! And borsch is tomorrow (today) we will do! Where's the wife am will not go away !! Almost hohlyachka! Father-in-law! Well, let it be a Ukrainian! Well, never, no one was offended before ... When they started, I wonder ... [/ quote]


                      And potatoes with bacon and onion to mash? Anything expensive.
      2. zardoz
        0
        29 November 2013 17: 36
        they kind of just initialed a deal. The agreement itself is going to be signed in the fall of 2014
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    6. w.ebdo.g
      +17
      29 November 2013 16: 18
      I respect our President.
      He speaks on the case and does several times more than he says ...
      And no matter how much our media and individual citizens flock over it, the President is slowly restoring sovereignty.
      In 2008, from the rostrum, he asked us, citizens, to help him in the struggle for the country's sovereignty. But we didn’t understand nifiga, we thought it was he who just said - "I hope for you, I need your help!"
      much more specifically?

      1. i.xxx-1971
        +8
        29 November 2013 16: 28
        It is amazing to what extent the president’s thoughts coincide with mine!
        1. +3
          29 November 2013 21: 42
          Quote: i.xxx-1971
          It is amazing to what extent the president’s thoughts coincide with mine!

          belay Maybe you are HE?
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        1. Oskar
          +1
          29 November 2013 17: 01
          Well, for example, protecting the market from illegal criminal and bureaucratic intrusions. Now it is quite clear what kind of invasion you need to fear more. If in the 1990s crime did not select business, but forced entrepreneurs to pay a kind of tribute “for protection”, now officials at various levels provide the same services, only “protection” is not so much “protection” as simply taking away a business, the so-called raiding.
          Reading the Manifesto of the EDRo Party of 2003 and are surprised at the cynicism and dishonesty of those people who "worked" on this document. Are these people in good conscience? According to their firm conviction, we have all been receiving a share (percentage) from the use of the country's natural resources since 2005. We have been getting this share for 8 years - everyone is “rich”, we just don’t know where to put this money. And in 2017, Russia will be the leader in world politics and economics. How is it, huh? Wait, sir?
          By 2009, according to the United Russia party, the entire North Caucasus was to become the resort and tourist Klondike of Russia. How, you have not rested in the North Caucasus? You have lost a lot. There is such a wonderful service - sometimes they shoot, sometimes they blow up, sometimes the little bands "crawl out" of the underground and serious fights with the feds begin. Take a ride - an unforgettable experience! Here is such nonsense (I can not name it in any other way) was voiced by EdRom.
          I am not talking here about the direct election of governors, about free media, about the reduction of the bureaucracy, about freedom of ownership. All this was destroyed as soon as Putin needed to build the famous power vertical (which doesn’t work a damn thing).
          Back in 2000, Putin in one of the interviews said literally the following: “Our population has long been tired of the fact that the words of state power often diverge from deeds.” 13 years have passed and you can safely repeat the same words. The question arises: What did you do, Mr. President, all this time, so that the tired people could at least slightly believe the authorities?
          And who said that they will fulfill. To promise is not to marry.
        2. Fin
          +2
          30 November 2013 00: 03
          Quote: Oskar
          Let’s not be unfounded and remember what Putin promised us back in 2000.

          Oskar I certainly understand that they promised a lot, there are enough problems but:
          - 90% of the population is balancing somewhere near the poverty line, where did it come from?
          - collective farms and state farms, too, he ruined?
          - And what did we have under Stalin after the Second World War in Z. Ukraine, the Bandera people were destroyed all the next year?
          - to everyone in the apartment? Something I did not hear that they promised for 5 years.
          Let's not dump everything in a bunch.
      3. +4
        29 November 2013 17: 01
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        from the rostrum he asked us citizens to help him in the struggle for the sovereignty of the country. But we don’t understand,

        fools we are sheep, it turns out that these citizens are transferring loot to the Fed and welcome the appointment of a lady, Chubais and other shushary, did not learn how to be tolerant, etc.
        I work, raise children, play sports, pay taxes - what should I understand?
        1. +1
          29 November 2013 17: 55
          Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
          I work, raise children, play sports, pay taxes - what should I understand?

          If you worked in the housing and communal services, if you worked in the police, or in production, as the boss or the head of a construction company, what would you understand? BUT? Would you need to understand something? Or did you think that Volodya turned to hard workers who work, walk a dog in the mornings, and drink beer on weekends and don't really strain their brains?
      4. wzxeckfw
        0
        29 November 2013 19: 32
        He only says, but he covers corruption and enriches himself, do not make an idol out of him.
      5. +3
        29 November 2013 20: 04
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        And no matter how much our media and individual citizens joke about it.

        Why is it joking?
        At the end of October, Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller said that Naftogaz Ukrainy had not paid for the gas supplied in August. Then the debt amounted to 882 million dollars, but in the period until November 7, Naftogaz paid more than 20% of this amount.
        Does everything in rubles consider the truth? wink
        Sovereignty, and we go after you, ummah.
      6. +2
        29 November 2013 21: 01
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        I respect our President.
        He speaks on the case and does several times more than he says ...

        Blessed is he who believes ...
      7. 0
        3 December 2013 13: 19
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        I respect our President.
        He speaks on the case and does several times more than he says ...
        And no matter how much our media and individual citizens flock over it, the President is slowly restoring sovereignty.
        In 2008, from the rostrum, he asked us, citizens, to help him in the struggle for the country's sovereignty. But we didn’t understand nifiga, we thought it was he who just said - "I hope for you, I need your help!"
        much more specifically?

        When Putin leaves, I would like to be replaced by the same adequacy.
    7. +3
      29 November 2013 18: 33
      Ukraine escaped from gang rape (from the EU) .. But this can be experienced .. But the destruction of the full industrial and scientific potential of Ukraine (created back in the Soviet Union), this complete degradation of the state would be .. (level of Moldova) .. Burner and fat from geyevropy would import ..
      1. 0
        8 December 2013 20: 15
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Ukraine escaped from gang rape (from the EU) .. But this can be experienced .. But the destruction of the full industrial and scientific potential of Ukraine (created back in the Soviet Union), this complete degradation of the state would be .. (level of Moldova) .. Burner and fat from geyevropy would import ..

        Well, perverts from the EU have always been different.
    8. +1
      29 November 2013 18: 56
      Today, interviews on the Maidan have shown, so none of those who stand there believe that after signing the agreement in Ukraine there will remain visas and no one will let them into Europe. On the contrary, everything is impatient of the fact that they will immediately have everything like in Europe, so I never held Ukrainians for fools, but here I don’t know what to think. In my heart, of course, the little thought revolves around that the reporter is fake or. . . . .
      Although I think Putin just felt sorry for them when he warned in a soft and hard form from such an act. Otherwise, default, poverty and I think the collapse into two or three parts. Although for Russia this would be the most favorable option, but on the other hand, like most Russians, my relatives are Ukrainians.
    9. wzxeckfw
      -3
      29 November 2013 19: 28
      All this is nonsense. You are far from Ukraine with your soviet thinking. Pushkov is a mishandled Cossack of the Kremlin. Here and all opinion
      1. +7
        29 November 2013 19: 43
        Quote: wzxeckfw
        Pushkov mishandled Cossack Kremlin. Here and the whole opinion

        And you, by the hour, not from the NSA? Nick is some kind of intricate ... recourse
      2. +1
        29 November 2013 21: 06
        Quote: wzxeckfw
        You are far from Ukraine with your soviet thinking
        1. +2
          30 November 2013 01: 11
          Quote: Cherdak
          Quote: wzxeckfw
          You are far from Ukraine with your soviet thinking


          For our TV, you can say the same thing ...
      3. +2
        29 November 2013 23: 28
        Quote: wzxeckfw
        All this is nonsense. You are far from Ukraine with your shovel thinking

        Quote: MIKHAN
        Ukraine escaped from gang rape (by the EU)


        Sorry, the view from the side. We are equally worried about fraternal peoples.
        From a comment on another forum -
        "When contacting COMMUNITIES of people, four options are possible.
        1) Persuasion of aliens or conspiracy with loved ones.
        2) Feeding resources
        3) Economic pressure or other means. Military, psychological and the like.
        4) Silence and self-removal from close communication. "
        Russia should already choose one of the options.
        It is impossible to be more Ukrainians than Ukrainians themselves.
      4. rodevaan
        0
        1 December 2013 17: 48
        Quote: wzxeckfw
        All this is nonsense. You are far from Ukraine with your soviet thinking. Pushkov is a mishandled Cossack of the Kremlin. Here and all opinion


        - Yes, yeah, very "distant". I don't need to tell fairy tales here! I visit Ukraine every year. My relatives live there. What is Geyropstan, what are you talking about! Cities such as Kiev and Donetsk are more or less well maintained, but the former millionaire Makeevka is desolation! But this is a city in which with your so unloved "scoop", as you put it, there were factories of ALL ALLIANCE value! How many jobs these enterprises have given people! Now what? Makeyevka Metallurgical Plant (barely breathing, has laid off about 6 thousand workers in recent years), coke-chemical (work at 5% of the required capacity), pipe foundry (closed, equipment was stolen), YaKHZ (Yasinovsky Coke and Chemical Plant) - functioning by 10% of the set ... Now we can say that these enterprises do not exist. Everybody ruined your Geyropstan mats! And what about the mines? Half closed, the rest barely breathe. Is it normal for people to pay from 1500 to 4000 thousand Russian rubles? People live as they can, 30 thousand for Ukraine is a huge salary, in such a city as the regional center Donetsk!
        I am generally silent about the West - there were no huge mining and processing enterprises spawning there. Agriculture and nothing else is sheer poverty.

        And you are being dragged to Geyropastan, which is being denied, blackens, is Muslim and isarabized with the speed of a bullet! Who needs you there? How is the future supplier of the white population? Like a springboard against us only, and nothing more. Then, under the pig howl of Bandera’s shortcomings, pin-dos bases will be established in order to expand already close to our borders. And all this trash zapadoidnaya trample to our borders.
        You are needed there as a free supplier of cheap SLAB-force and territory for bases. Nobody will let Ukrainian goods into the markets of Geyropastan - they are an extra competitor like a splinter in the opera!
        In Geyropstan they want ... About the consequences of this indiscriminate desire, only no one wants to think ....
    10. pawel1961
      0
      30 November 2013 00: 12
      absolute truth. but some who do not recognize and that's it.
    11. +1
      30 November 2013 01: 07
      The news of Ukraine’s refusal to sign an agreement on a cheating association with the EU is just a balm for the soul! Putin did a good job, Yanukovych, respect! He tipped and nibbled the geyropeyskie elegbeteshnikov on kukan, by the very tomatoes! Another time, they will scratch their workplace harder before trying to grab anything from Russia! Yes
      1. 0
        30 November 2013 01: 26
        Yanukovych respect?
        Yanukovych, in my opinion, nothing to do with it at all. Yanukovych only brought what the "high negotiating parties" decided.
  2. Peaceful military
    +10
    29 November 2013 15: 39
    The failure took place, but this is not the end. The cradle of Russia, Kievan Rus has been torn off and torn for about 500 years, if not more.
    Still, with the prodigal brother, it would be necessary in a brotherly and not overly pragmatic way.
    1. +5
      29 November 2013 15: 59
      Quote: Peaceful military
      Still, with the prodigal brother, it would be necessary in a brotherly and not overly pragmatic way.
      Where is even more brotherly?
      1. Peaceful military
        +2
        29 November 2013 16: 09
        Quote: bomg.77
        Quote: Peaceful military
        Still, with the prodigal brother, it would be necessary in a brotherly and not overly pragmatic way.
        Where is even more brotherly?

        You omitted the second part of my cue "not overly pragmatic". We overdid it, which is understandable, because everything has been left to the liberals.
        1. +3
          29 November 2013 16: 23
          Quote: Peaceful military
          We overdid it, which is understandable, because everything has been left to the liberals.

          What exactly?
          1. Peaceful military
            +1
            29 November 2013 18: 28
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Peaceful military
            We overdid it, which is understandable, because everything has been left to the liberals.

            What exactly?

            In a pragmatic approach according to liberal patterns: "nothing personal, just business". It is clear that Little Russians behave not in the best way, but somehow everything must be decided more gently, with more patience, somewhere and persuasion, etc., etc.
        2. +1
          29 November 2013 16: 41
          Quote: Peaceful military
          You omitted the second part of my "not overly pragmatic" line.
          I have given your part of the speech completely. I would like to clarify, do you mean that Russia approached Ukraine not fraternally, but excessively pragmatically, since everything has been left to the liberals? So I understood your post?
          1. Peaceful military
            0
            29 November 2013 18: 30
            Quote: bomg.77
            Quote: Peaceful military
            You omitted the second part of my "not overly pragmatic" line.
            I have given your part of the speech completely. I would like to clarify, do you mean that Russia approached Ukraine not fraternally, but excessively pragmatically, since everything has been left to the liberals? So I understood your post?

            Yes so. An overly pragmatic approach according to liberal templates: "nothing personal, just business". It is clear that Little Russians do not behave in the best way, but somehow everything must be decided more gently, with more patience, somewhere and persuasion, etc., etc.
            1. 0
              30 November 2013 00: 08
              Quote: Peaceful military
              somehow it’s necessary to solve everything more gently, with more patience, somewhere and with persuasion, etc.,


              Where is it even softer? How can you not decide, with or without petroleum jelly, the process does not change in essence wink
              1. 0
                30 November 2013 01: 15
                Quote: old rocket
                Quote: Peaceful military
                somehow it’s necessary to solve everything more gently, with more patience, somewhere and with persuasion, etc.,


                Where is it even softer?with or without petroleum jellyprocess does not change essentially wink

                With a bucket of sand ... wassat
            2. 0
              30 November 2013 01: 39
              Quote: Peaceful military
              Yes so. Excessively pragmatic approach according to liberal patterns: "nothing personal, just business"
              A healthy share of pragmatism should be present in relations between countries, without it, it’s not like that. Only in relation to the former Soviet republics, Russia behaves more fraternally than pragmatically. Loans, releases energy resources at reduced prices, Free movement and the opportunity to earn money in Russia do not limit, buys the products of the former republics, are loading enterprises that still operate on the expanses of the former USSR. Is this not enough? is it fraternal?
              Quote: Peaceful military
              . It is clear that Little Russians are not behaving in the best way
              That is to say the least!
              Quote: Peaceful military
              but somehow it’s necessary to solve everything more gently, with great patience, somewhere and with persuasion, etc., etc.
              What would be your reaction if your brother whom you supported at a difficult moment in his life didn’t just move away and spread to the side of your enemy? Does Taras not look like a bulb?
              1. Peaceful military
                +1
                30 November 2013 14: 46
                Quote: bomg.77
                What would be your reaction if your brother whom you supported at a difficult moment in his life didn’t just move away and spread to the side of your enemy? Does Taras not look like a bulb?

                Don't confuse warm with soft. You named the effect, not the cause. The reasons were excessive liberal pragmatism and chauvinistic snobbery "so what you poor can do without us, but where are you going from us." Yes, and all these fables are about supporting your brother in difficult times. Here is the consequence for you that, a brother inclined to fornication, more and more fornication against Russia.
    2. -4
      29 November 2013 17: 17
      Quote: Peaceful military
      The failure took place, but this is not the end. The cradle of Russia, Kievan Rus has been torn off and torn for about 500 years, if not more.
      Still, with the prodigal brother, it would be necessary in a brotherly and not overly pragmatic way.

      The cradle of Russia is the Upper Volga region, and German historians of Russia came up with about Kievan Rus at the time of the Romanovs.
      1. Peaceful military
        0
        29 November 2013 19: 44
        Quote: Setrac
        The cradle of Russia is the Upper Volga region, and German historians of Russia came up with about Kievan Rus at the time of the Romanovs.

        I am not fond of pseudo-history. The minus is not mine, I do not like to put them in vain.hi
        1. 0
          29 November 2013 20: 15
          Quote: Peaceful military
          I am not fond of pseudo-history. The minus is not mine, I do not like to put them in vain.

          You misunderstood me, or maybe I said wrong. Kievan Rus was (probably) but its role for the Russian world is greatly exaggerated.
          1. Peaceful military
            0
            29 November 2013 20: 59
            Quote: Setrac
            You misunderstood me, or maybe I said wrong. Kievan Rus was (probably) but its role for the Russian world is greatly exaggerated.

            I do not see exaggeration (if you do not take into account the rhetoric of ukr_ov) ... What can it be?
      2. yur
        yur
        0
        29 November 2013 20: 17
        And who invented the UTO ?!
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  4. AVV
    +8
    29 November 2013 15: 45
    Yes, in fact, this project of Ukraine’s integration was launched from states that are failing after failure on the global field. Syria, Iran, now Euro-integration, can be called Jewish integration, organized by the Jewish lobby of the US Congress. And what about the people? They didn’t even remember Ukraine, it’s not about the interests of the people, but it’s about areas of influence and the expansion of the market for their goods from the West !!! Following this, the task is to break up such high-tech industries as rocket science, tank building, shipbuilding, metallurgy, everything these production in the West have to be torn off from Russia, and end the mutually beneficial work of enterprises, turn into dust, why do they need competitors, they need buyers !!! That's it!
    1. Antabka
      +2
      29 November 2013 16: 49
      Dear! The industry of Ukraine is in a deplorable situation. It’s not worth helping in the collapse. You just have to wait. But not only the USA and Europe are fighting for sales markets, but Russia is also nervous. China just doesn’t care. He is out of competition
      1. +7
        29 November 2013 17: 00
        Quote: Antabka
        But not only the USA and Europe are fighting for sales markets

        Dear! The sales market is where there is purchasing demand, and where will it be in Ukraine if there is no economy? Where will the money come from? You are not the USA, you don’t accept the hryvnia all over the world as a payment method! hi
        1. Antabka
          +1
          29 November 2013 17: 17
          Clear!!!! Russia wants us to throw money (a joke) tongue
          1. avg
            +5
            29 November 2013 17: 56
            Clear!!!! Russia wants us to throw money (a joke)

            for billions of debt, it’s not a joke, Madame. hi
            1. Antabka
              -1
              29 November 2013 18: 27
              And who else do you need if you know Ukraine? winked
              1. avg
                +3
                29 November 2013 18: 49
                The question is off topic. If we are talking about Ukraine, it is better to remember how many debts you have written off. If you know?
                1. Antabka
                  +2
                  29 November 2013 19: 51
                  You can dog for a long time and calculate debts who owes whom and for what. But the current situation is reminiscent of a dance scene (girl are you dancing? - no, a blow to the forehead- A NOW?) Good relations Ukraine - Russia love
                  1. +5
                    29 November 2013 20: 04
                    Quote: Antabka
                    Girl are you dancing? - No, a blow to the forehead. - NOW?

                    The girl goes to the wrong dance floor
                    1. Antabka
                      +1
                      29 November 2013 20: 36
                      This is clear to everyone. But you need to choose
                      1. +3
                        29 November 2013 20: 43
                        Quote: Antabka
                        But you need to choose

                        Ukraine has long been "playing" with the choice and / or elections.
                        The people of Ukraine will not understand in any way that neither God, nor the tsar, nor the hero will save the country, which will not decide "to whom it would be more expensive to surrender."
                  2. Cat
                    0
                    29 November 2013 20: 09
                    Quote: Antabka
                    You can dog for a long time and calculate debts who owes whom and for what. But the current situation is reminiscent of a dance scene (girl are you dancing? - no, a blow to the forehead- A NOW?) Good relations Ukraine - Russia love

                    And Ukraine-EU relations, do not they remind you of anything?
                    1. Antabka
                      0
                      29 November 2013 20: 39
                      I don’t argue. We would like to give money for development and to the company would be accepted under normal conditions, until we ourselves leave the ass for friendly help, you don’t have to count
                      1. +4
                        29 November 2013 20: 47
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Until we leave ourselves out of ass you don’t have to count on friendly help


                        The word I highlighted does not color you.
                      2. Antabka
                        +2
                        29 November 2013 22: 10
                        I have sins in my expressions. They answer me worse. I'm on the Men's site? love
                  3. +2
                    29 November 2013 22: 31
                    Quote: Antabka
                    (girl are you dancing? - no- a blow to the forehead- A NOW?) Good relations Ukraine - Russia

                    Well. As if softer ... With the girls "dynamo", if you are not in the know, do uh ... harsher.
                  4. 0
                    8 December 2013 20: 19
                    Quote: Antabka
                    You can dog for a long time and calculate debts who owes whom and for what. But the current situation is reminiscent of a dance scene (girl are you dancing? - no, a blow to the forehead- A NOW?) Good relations Ukraine - Russia love

                    This is the dance floor. Girls must be respected and loved, not beaten.
      2. +3
        30 November 2013 00: 16
        Quote: Antabka
        But not only the USA and Europe are fighting for sales markets, but Russia is also nervous. China just doesn’t care. He is out of competition


        Oh, I beg you, and why such a thing Ukraine buys from us, which then will not be sold.
        There is no need for school slogans here, I also, the sales market-Ukraine, there is simply nowhere to sow hemp to Brussels laughing
  5. +7
    29 November 2013 15: 50
    Quote: major071
    “The European Union has grabbed - Ukraine is literally floating away from its hands, like a fish from a landing net into which it was almost caught”
    I have a question for Akim. It is useless to Kars. That one has armor piercing below the belt. Well, here is Akim: well, how do you endure all these inclinations from others, not to say that much you, Ukrainians, who previously loved very much, politicians of microscopic neoplasms? Well, I personally, at the present time, would take it as an insult. Not to mention the fact that such a figure in Russia would be immediately swaddled ... Well, do you, the military man, really like this system of public administration, when anyone, fuck you know who, but from Europe, can just come and agitate for "revolution" ???
    1. +4
      29 November 2013 15: 57
      And where am I? I did not write this. laughing
      Quote: major071
      “The European Union has grabbed - Ukraine is literally floating away from its hands, like a fish from a landing net into which it was almost caught”
      1. Hudo
        +2
        29 November 2013 18: 41
        Quote: major071
        And where am I? I did not write this. laughing
        Quote: major071
        “The European Union has grabbed - Ukraine is literally floating away from its hands, like a fish from a landing net into which it was almost caught”


        Maybe they didn’t write, but they thought for sure. laughing (joke)
        1. +5
          29 November 2013 18: 57
          I wouldn’t come up with this, well, I’m not a fisherman! laughing
          1. +2
            29 November 2013 19: 44
            Quote: major071
            Well, I'm not a fisherman!

            In vain ... Time spent fishing does not go to the expense of life!
            1. +10
              29 November 2013 21: 46
              I prefer a "quiet hunt", I salt it myself, the guests tear it off with their hands:
              1. +1
                29 November 2013 21: 50
                Quote: major071
                I prefer a "quiet hunt", I salt it myself, the guests tear it off with their hands:

                Gruzdi is wonderful! good But where are the mushrooms ??? request
                1. +5
                  29 November 2013 22: 08
                  Yes, mushrooms do not grow in the steppes, you have to either drive to Bashkiria or to the Chelyabinsk region. good
              2. Alex 241
                +7
                29 November 2013 21: 51
                Not brothers, it’s necessary to put it out on Friday night laughing good
                1. +4
                  29 November 2013 21: 54
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  Not brothers, it’s necessary to put it out on Friday night


                  In, in !!! Had to go to the kitchen and gut the fridge! drinks And who can stand it?
                  Hi all!
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                  1. Alex 241
                    +2
                    29 November 2013 21: 57
                    Sanya hi to withstand? Well, what kind of willpower must one possess? drinks
                    1. +1
                      29 November 2013 22: 03
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      Well, what kind of willpower must one possess?

                      Your Sasha is true! drinks If you look, then there are not many joys in life!
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                3. +6
                  29 November 2013 22: 07
                  Calm down gentlemen, I am now taking little by little under the salty "value" melting in my mouth, which is what I wish for you! drinks
                  1. Alex 241
                    +2
                    29 November 2013 22: 12
                    I join drinks laughing
                    1. +4
                      29 November 2013 22: 17
                      I support drinks For your health! drinks But my minion does not need to poison green ice cream, pour him better beer! laughing
                      1. Alex 241
                        +1
                        29 November 2013 22: 19
                        Quote: major071
                        pour him a better beer!
                        Small escho laughing
                  2. +3
                    29 November 2013 22: 15
                    Quote: major071
                    I am now taking little by little under the salty "value" melting in my mouth

                    Ahhhhhh! My favorite!!! So round? Slippery like that? With bitterness, huh? And salt with garlic, dill and horseradish leaf? That's it ... I'll go to the refrigerator too ...
                    1. +7
                      29 November 2013 22: 25
                      Forgot to say - a little smelly, while raw. laughing Everything is so, only without horseradish leaf, but with the addition of currant leaves, allspice, and indeed, each jar is different for me, as my heart desires. The flight of thought is big. laughing
                      1. Alex 241
                        +1
                        29 November 2013 22: 26
                        Volodya write an article, let there be a culinary heading laughing
                      2. +6
                        29 November 2013 22: 38
                        No, Alexander, of course I love to cook and know how, but "cook" is not for this site. And for recipes I ask in a personal, I will not refuse anyone, I will answer everyone. laughing
                      3. Alex 241
                        0
                        29 November 2013 22: 40
                        Volodya understood, thanks in advance.
                      4. +1
                        29 November 2013 22: 28
                        Quote: major071
                        Forgot to say - a little smelly, while raw.

                        We had a drought this year. They gathered values ​​for a couple of cans ... But they were all dried up and all were already opened ... Salted of course ... But not that ...
                      5. +2
                        29 November 2013 22: 30
                        Quote: major071
                        and indeed, I have each jar differently, as my soul desires. The flight of thought is big.

                        Handsome Volodya !!! Handsome !!! good Every business is if with a soul, then everything goes smoothly!
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                  3. +3
                    29 November 2013 22: 16
                    Quote: major071
                    Calm down gentlemen, I am now taking little by little under the salty "value" melting in my mouth, which is what I wish for you!

                    Quote: major071
                    I join

                    I, too, brothers with you already "in the subject"! drinks
                    1. +9
                      29 November 2013 22: 33
                      Temporarily leaving, my wife caught me for a strange occupation: drinking alcohol with a computer, said that I had completely "moved out" and advised me to go to the doctor. fool So I’ll go to sleep, otherwise I’ll get to work in the morning, and our time is already half past twelve. You all have a good time. drinks
                      PS Don’t worry about mushrooms - we’ll finish tomorrow! laughing
                      1. +1
                        29 November 2013 22: 37
                        Quote: major071
                        Don’t worry about mushrooms - we’ll finish tomorrow!
                        Goodnight! And I went to look for a stash ...
                      2. +5
                        29 November 2013 22: 42
                        Goodnight! I then looked that there were already 4 deleted comments on our conversation, I wonder who we disturbed so much? what
                      3. Alex 241
                        +1
                        29 November 2013 22: 43
                        Sanya has double messages.
                      4. +4
                        29 November 2013 22: 46
                        I understood that I’m setting sail with a calm soul. drinks hi
                      5. 0
                        29 November 2013 22: 47
                        Quote: major071
                        Goodnight! I then looked that there were already 4 deleted comments on our conversation, I wonder who we disturbed so much?

                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Sanya has double messages.

                        Right, Sasha! There is a continuous dubbing. It seems a little more ..... but already everything is twofold! laughing
                      6. +1
                        29 November 2013 23: 06
                        My wife tried to hide the Czech tincture of the election from me. Schazzzz. I know all her hiccups ... Half an hour of searching and now I’ll clink glasses with my computer drinks Well ... for mushrooms! drinks
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              3. +3
                29 November 2013 22: 55
                Quote: major071
                guests tear off their hands


                Have a good evening!
                1. 0
                  29 November 2013 23: 27
                  Attic! And where are the finnish butter? They are definitely there! I have them in Kovdor of the Murmansk region. collected. There, Finland is visible from the hotel window ...
                  1. +1
                    30 November 2013 14: 14
                    I'm more on white.
  6. +7
    29 November 2013 15: 51
    This unreliable Yanukovych changes his mind like gloves. Perhaps he will sell the country to Europe for some $ 20-30 million in cash loan. But as you know, even 60ml.m. measure is only temporary. And the struggle from Europe will be even more serious. They feel sorry for missing such a beautiful bride, albeit with material problems. Indeed, in the future they will be able to earn on it. In March 2014, everything will become clear. I hope Yanukovych will choose the Russian vector.
    1. i.xxx-1971
      +5
      29 November 2013 16: 31
      They need Ukraine as a cash cow, which can then be used for meat.
      1. +7
        29 November 2013 17: 06
        Quote: i.xxx-1971
        They need Ukraine as a cash cow,

        They only need Ukraine as a political factor, as indeed the whole of Eastern Europe! Therefore, the first to join the EU were so generously sponsored (Poland, Czech Republic). And now they have strained their finances, and the voter in Germany is not very happy to be a sponsor of political experiments EU guidelines.
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  8. +3
    29 November 2013 15: 53
    Well. That's all for now
    Vilnius Summit: Ukraine has not signed an agreement with the EU

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/international/2013/11/131129_summit_eu_lithuania.sh
    tml
  9. +12
    29 November 2013 15: 56
    In the long run, the separation of Galicia and the reunification of eastern Ukraine with Russia is inevitable. And then again the accession of Galicia ... Spirals, from history, from wink
    1. Hudo
      +1
      29 November 2013 18: 44
      Quote: matRoss
      In the long run, the separation of Galicia and the reunification of eastern Ukraine with Russia is inevitable. And then again the accession of Galicia ... Spirals, from history, from wink

      Don’t need Galicia, oh don’t!
      1. -1
        30 November 2013 01: 20
        Quote: Hudo
        Don’t need Galicia, oh don’t!

        squeeze into Europe the population and everything, populate - I do not want ...
        1. +1
          30 November 2013 17: 56
          Quote: PSih2097
          squeeze out the population into Europe and all

          Well, here again simple recipes: squeeze out, evict, put in, shoot ... For people, do not you think them? Why? For me - so are the Slav brothers. Yes, there are differences from the Siberians, for example. So what? Even the language is almost the same. The evil have all become. And this is not at all characteristic of Russians. For a squabble with neighbors and to lose yourself for long ...
  10. mnbv199
    +8
    29 November 2013 15: 58
    Quote: Jamal
    This unreliable Yanukovych changes his mind like gloves. Perhaps he will sell the country to Europe for some $ 20-30 million in cash loan. But as you know, even 60ml.m. measure is only temporary. And the struggle from Europe will be even more serious. They feel sorry for missing such a beautiful bride, albeit with material problems. Indeed, in the future they will be able to earn on it. In March 2014, everything will become clear. I hope Yanukovych will choose the Russian vector.

    Viktor Yanukovych, as a trader, is trying to get himself a political and monetary price. So he bargains, bargains ...
    Viktor Yanukovych responded to Angela Merkel: "The economic situation in Ukraine is very difficult. We have very big threats. I would like you to hear me. I have been alone for three and a half years. In very unequal conditions with a strong Russia, one on one." Yanukovych accompanies the last phrase with clenched fists.
    http://m.ria.ru/world/20131129/980541588.html
    Lastly: "This man is a radish. He is only red on top. His insides are white ..."
    1. +7
      29 November 2013 16: 13
      I would add and - rotten.
    2. wzxeckfw
      0
      29 November 2013 19: 35
      It is necessary to steal less with Donetsk brothers then the money will be
      1. +1
        29 November 2013 20: 19
        Quote: wzxeckfw
        It is necessary to steal less with Donetsk brothers then the money will be

        Stealing is not good, but "nakolyadat" as a Western judge, what is it, Zvarich in my opinion - it is possible ...
      2. Hudo
        +4
        29 November 2013 20: 50
        Quote: wzxeckfw
        It is necessary to steal less with Donetsk brothers then the money will be


        This is without a doubt true. And what about Pchelopas Golodomorovich Yushchenko, for whom Svidomo soap mooed at Maudown in 2004, who, together with his American bedding, collected money for the hospital for the future for children and stole it. Well, it is necessary not only not to have a conscience but a heart - stolen from sick children.
        And the timonkonko donut-yulka-- everyone knows about that. But the racially correct Izzy Tyagnysrak, nicknamed the fascist, the idol of the unwashed Galician ethnic group - in words for nenka, and he himself builds a khatynka in the reserve. How to deal with these ghouls?
  11. +12
    29 November 2013 16: 00
    Hypothetically, why not the Poles to compensate for Ukraine’s loss from joining the EU from their own pockets, invites, so pay! Rather, they will strangle themselves, and fuck at someone else's expense, much! This also applies to the Baltic states.
    1. Cat
      +6
      29 November 2013 16: 09
      Quote: Djozz
      Hypothetically, why not the Poles to compensate for Ukraine’s loss from joining the EU from their own pockets, invites, so pay! Rather, they will strangle themselves, and fuck at someone else's expense, much! This also applies to the Baltic states.

      It has already been said more than once that the EU is a kind of pyramid like MMM. Whoever is the first with a profit, the rest can only earn by attracting new participants. That is why Psheki and Shprots fussed around, agitating and enticing. But alas ... it did not grow together. And they didn’t make money for themselves, and they didn’t give the “old Europeans” any profits - where can Ukraine be compensated “from its own pocket”?
    2. +1
      29 November 2013 17: 49
      The Polish government is not even able to pay for the pogrom of our embassy (11 thousand dollars) by the Polish fascists, what kind of compensation can Ukraine talk about.
  12. +2
    29 November 2013 16: 04
    What can I add ... so far it has worked out (Vilnus for the EU (+ USA) has definitely failed) ... Let's hope that we and Ukraine will be together as before. One people, in fact ...
  13. 0
    29 November 2013 16: 08
    During disputes, skirmishes, discussions on the subject of Ukraine-EU-TS, I thought little about mechanisms (real) and tools for resolving this issue. With all the economic power of Europe (EU), at this stage couldn’t oppose anything to the shadow player of geopolitics - To Gazprom. When you seriously think about this, the question arises: who is sitting on the gas needle? !! A gas pipe is relevant not only for Ukraine. A gas pipe is equally relevant for Germany!
    1. +1
      29 November 2013 17: 33
      Do not forget about the freezing Gulf Stream - a hoax to the whole world! Http: //idivkino.livejournal.com/617317.html#cutid1
  14. predator.3
    +1
    29 November 2013 16: 13
    At one time, the Volyn principality was one of the strongest countries in Europe, but after the Mongol invasion, 1242. the pope promised military assistance and the royal crown to Daniil of Galicia, in return for adopting Catholicism, and so the prince didn’t wait for the crown or military help, but crowds of monks came to baptize the people into Uniate, or rather sold their souls to the devil, and after a hundred years lost themselves, as a people and as a state! The same thing is happening today!
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      +1
      29 November 2013 20: 03
      Quote: predator.3
      ... the pope promised military assistance and the royal crown to Daniel Galitsky, in return for adopting Catholicism, and so the prince did not wait for the crown or military aid ...

      You are not right. hi In 1254, the papal nuncio presented the crown to Prince Daniel. After that, in the West, Daniel began to be called the king and could "on equal terms" communicate with the Western crowned neighbors. However, the transition of the Galicia-Volyn principality to Catholicism was rejected by Daniel, for which he did not receive military assistance from the "right" neighbors.
  15. +5
    29 November 2013 16: 15
    Here the question is generally about the integrity of the country. If Ukraine enters into the CU with Russia, there remains a country whose economy is not just "seams", but in general "not ice" ...
    If it enters into an association with the EU, the country is torn to pieces and territorially surrendered to the jurisdictions of its neighboring states, and if they are dissatisfied, they introduce NATO tanks.
    And now the question is: what to do with Ukraine ?! Dismember or continue to "starve" ?!

    In a parallel thread, I already wrote that a "friendly takeover" of Ukraine by Russia is necessary! But they are unlikely to listen to the grain of sand ...
    1. i.xxx-1971
      +2
      29 November 2013 16: 35
      Ukraine should first enter the Customs Union and the ruble zone, and they will understand what to do next.
      1. +4
        29 November 2013 19: 37
        you can enter you can not enter. We’ll lose somewhere. However, you always need to sacrifice something to achieve the goal.
        The main thing is that we stopped in time with the association. That it already cost us dearly, even without signing what
        1. +5
          29 November 2013 19: 54
          Quote: Cristall
          The main thing is that we stopped in time with the association. That it already cost us dearly, even without signing

          Yes not really?
          Have you purchased a calculator? wassat
          BEFORE HOW, did they all figure it out by eye?
          And, most importantly, WHAT can change, in the BEST direction for Ukraine, in the near future?
          "... a magician in a blue helicopter will suddenly arrive ..."?
          Ukraine received a reprieve, nothing more. But gloomy prospects have not disappeared.
          1. +1
            29 November 2013 19: 59
            Yeah, I was wondering. Like all ordinary people, they walked with calculators, they did nothing, they sat and thought they thought they thought they thought - but they didn’t calculate!
            Gloomy prospects can appear only from reading articles and comments here (referring to articles about Ukraine)
            Everything can change! We will be optimistic, good mood.
            1. +3
              29 November 2013 20: 01
              Quote: Cristall
              Everything can change! We will be optimistic, good mood.

              I want to believe. Sincerely...
    2. +2
      29 November 2013 16: 44
      Quote: Keeper
      In a parallel thread, I already wrote that a "friendly takeover" of Ukraine by Russia is necessary! But the waves are unlikely to listen to the grain of sand ...

      drinks
    3. Antabka
      -15
      29 November 2013 16: 58
      Dear absorption of Ukraine, it was already in 1918. How do you not like that Ukraine tried to conclude an agreement with Europe tongue But you don’t care. The army is the strongest in the world. Allies - half the world. Natural wealth is enough to make every Russian a millionaire. Why do you need Ukraine? Let it rot tongue
      1. +1
        29 November 2013 17: 13
        Quote: Antabka
        Let it rot

        Duck has already rotted for a long time ...
        1. Antabka
          -3
          29 November 2013 17: 26
          Then the Russians should not be upset about this
      2. zardoz
        +2
        29 November 2013 17: 47
        It was a comeback. Kststi now I would also call this process
      3. +4
        29 November 2013 17: 53
        Return Crimea and the adjoining lands and go in peace. Nobody within these borders will really let Ukraine go anywhere. And if they let it go, then it’s probably not for long. And moreover, everything happened 18 years earlier. Just then it can turn into a war and unfortunately fraternal feelings may not be enough. love
        1. +1
          29 November 2013 19: 55
          no, no "Kemsky volosts"
          Either all or nothing!
          And do not allow thoughts of war .. I didn’t even imagine this in nightmares. Thought itself is foreign.
      4. +3
        29 November 2013 18: 03
        You do not understand everything correctly, we in Russia are not indifferent to how the fraternal people will live. There have been many mistakes both in our government and yours. But I think they will revise these views and establish normal fraternal relations. drinks
        1. +1
          29 November 2013 19: 30
          I also hope that they will do so.
        2. 0
          29 November 2013 19: 30
          I also hope that they will do so.
      5. +7
        29 November 2013 18: 48
        Quote: Antabka
        Why do you need Ukraine? Let it rot

        Russia needs Ukraine.
        Friendly Brotherly. Like Belarus. AND working.
        Question - "Do Ukrainians need Ukraine?"
        Judging by what is happening in Kiev, Ukrainians need FUNDS to live, not to grieve. It is desirable to receive these pennies from someone (EU, China, Mongolia, Cambodia ... Russia). Only none of the POLITICIANS living on the territory of Nezalezhnoy wants to make money. Hence the second question - "Isn't it a shame to beg for change on the porch?"
        1. Antabka
          +1
          29 November 2013 22: 14
          More upsetting than embarrassing. We work and earn. But not as much as I wanted
      6. +10
        29 November 2013 19: 12
        Girl You are young and trying to show yourself smart, and trying to argue on equal terms.
        But there are people here, including those with great life baggage and with historical and economic higher education, and in Soviet times the school was not like now.
        1. Antabka
          +3
          29 November 2013 20: 44
          I apologize, I do not compete but express my opinion. And it may not always be correct, however, like all wink
      7. +9
        29 November 2013 19: 41
        together is always easier. We waved it away at 41-45 together, now we would not have waved it in any way.
        In general, the word absorption is incomprehensible, it is difficult to absorb a large territory, it will still retain its flavor .. as Ukraine would prove this.
        Better mutually beneficial merger / cooperation without political boundaries
        1. +2
          30 November 2013 00: 59
          Quote: Cristall
          Better mutually beneficial merger / cooperation without political boundaries

          So you choke on yako won rozumne !!! good
      8. +4
        30 November 2013 00: 36
        Quote: Antabka
        Dear absorption of Ukraine, it was already in 1918. How do you not like that Ukraine tried to conclude an agreement with Europe tongue But you don’t care. The army is the strongest in the world. Allies - half the world. Natural wealth is enough to make every Russian a millionaire. Why do you need Ukraine? Let it rot tongue


        All wrong.
        In 1918, it was not the absorption of Ukraine, but the prevention of an attempt to secession.
        And this is not the question, Ukraine needs Russia to remain Ukraine. In case of unification with Russia, you will again be proud that you will “feed the whole Union”, and in “Europe” you will have nothing to be proud of, except that Ukrainian girls will move from Leningradka "to" unter den Linden "
        1. Antabka
          -2
          30 November 2013 01: 54
          It’s better to cry for your Russian women — they are also where next to someone they lie in Peru or Ecuador
          1. 0
            30 November 2013 01: 58
            Where does such knowledge come from?
          2. sapran
            +2
            30 November 2013 01: 59
            And you are in vain. To descend to one level and even to the guardians of the hearth as an example, this is superfluous.
            1. Antabka
              0
              30 November 2013 03: 14
              But how else? Are you whipped on the cheeks and you smile? This is not for me. I will defend my honor at least on the site, even in a dark gateway. And everyone knows that our compatriots, along with Russian bodies abroad, earn and then weep bitterly ...
      9. +1
        30 November 2013 08: 09
        Quote: Antabka
        Respected, the absorption of Ukraine was already in 1918.

        That's for sure... In the carriage Directory, under the carriage territory...
        short shutter speed:
        The Directory of the Ukrainian People’s Republic is a state authority in Ukraine, formed on the night of November 14, 1918 in the Bila Tserkva in an atmosphere of collapse of the German occupation and supported by the occupying forces of the Ukrainian state Hetman Skoropadsky. The main social base of the Directory was the kulaks and the urban bourgeoisie.

        The first chairman of the Directory of 5 members was V.V. Vinnichenko, who already headed the government of the Ukrainian People’s Republic (UNR) in late 1917 - early 1918. But already at the beginning of 1919 he and other socialists were recalled by the Central Committee of the Ukrainian Social Democratic Labor Party (USDP) from the Directory and in February it was actually headed by the Commander-in-Chief of the UPR troops Simon Petlyura, establishing a military dictatorship (in order not to obey the decision of the Central Committee, he announced exit from the party).

        Having left the White Church on November 18, 1918, the forces of the Directory captured Kiev on December 14. On January 16, 1919, the Directory declared war on Soviet Russia. On January 22, the UPR Directory signed with the Government of Western Ukraine (ZUNR) the "Act of Connection" (Zluka Act). This day is celebrated today as the Day of Unification of Ukraine.

        In January - April 1919, the main armed forces of the Directory were defeated by Ukrainian Soviet troops and rebels. Directory members fled from Kiev, then from Vinnitsa. The remnants of the Petliura troops were pressed to the border river Zbruch. Using the transfer of troops of the Western Ukrainian People’s Republic to the territory of the UPR, as well as the attack of Denikin’s troops on Ukraine, the Directorate’s forces, together with the Galician army, launched a counterattack and occupied Kiev on August 30, 1919 (at the same time as the Whites), but the next day they were expelled from there by the White Guards. The Allied command refused to negotiate with Petlyura, and by October 1919 the Petlyuraites were defeated. The command of the Galician army in early November signed a ceasefire agreement with the command of the Volunteer Army.

        Petlyura fled to Warsaw, where on behalf of the Directory on April 21, 1920 he entered into an agreement with the Polish government on a joint war against Soviet Russia. After the end of the Polish-Soviet war and the signing of a peace treaty, the Directory regime ceased to exist.
  16. +1
    29 November 2013 16: 18
    Yanukovych just wants to sell Ukraine at a higher price, and not give it away for nothing. Although some here see some kind of "victory for the Kremlin." Ukraine, of course, will sign an association agreement with the EU (some for some reason call it joining the European Union), but it will still bargain. How much he will beg - it is not known, I think, a little. There is no extra money in Europe and the USA now. But bargaining is mandatory. The main thing for Yanyk and his friends is not even the fate of the Ukrainian industry, but the terms of the IMF loan.
    1. Cat
      0
      29 November 2013 16: 42
      Quote: Sour
      The main thing for Yanyk and his friends is not even the fate of Ukrainian industry, but the terms of the IMF loan.

      Actually, Ukrainian industry is concentrated in the hands of Yanukovych’s associates. Therefore, they do not htit, to sign the euro agreement - it is unprofitable for them, to lose their own factory-ships. And credit, what credit, credit has a bad habit of ending quickly. And they may not give a new one, and there will be no more factories, why live with something? Therefore, the nunafig of these Europeans with their association.
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  18. 0
    29 November 2013 16: 36
    money for Ukraine - “more than 10, maybe 20 billion euros - an amount acceptable for the EU,

    They wondered what size of the bribe would persuade Yanukovych. and if this does not work, they will make an indifferent face and say that they have made concessions to the Russian Federation, and in this connection they will ask for something. for example, to forgive the greens, or there to completely legalize the homosexuals, or some other rubbish European
  19. +2
    29 November 2013 16: 47
    A one-time loan (of any size) will not save Ukraine. The question is the difference in standards, quality requirements, and in everything, starting from the width of the railway ruts. But if it is not necessary to change the track, then the standards in industry and economy will have to change everything. Change technology. Purchase equipment that meets these technologies. Given that in civilized countries this has developed (and invested) for decades - what should be the loan to cover these costs? And how to live the time needed for this process? But even at the end of the process, Ukraine will face a fully occupied market in which the real overproduction of goods. Why give a loan?
    One who believes in the EU’s disinterested impulse, which, out of compassion for the country's plight, will give money for food, and in response Ukraine will begin to compete with the EU countries and push them out of the niche.
    this is nonsense.
    1. +3
      29 November 2013 17: 00
      Quote: homosum20
      A one-time loan (of any size) will not save Ukraine.

      Ukraine will not save.
      But Yanukovych will be allowed to hold out in the "painted" mode for another three years. And he doesn't need anything else. He understands perfectly well that he will not rule for long anyway. The main thing for him is not to experience political death ahead of time. Hold out for two or three years, prepare alternate airfields, and there the grass won't grow.
      The price of the issue is 14-15 billion dollars, preferably without IMF conditions (raising tariffs, freezing pensions, etc.)
      But Ukraine will not save anything.
      1. Fin
        +2
        29 November 2013 20: 06
        Quote: Sour
        Ukraine will not be saved. But Yanukovych will be allowed to hold out in the "painted" mode for another three years. And he doesn't need anything else.

        I agree with you. Now we will give a loan, Ukraine will last another year, then again a loan, another year. No matter how much you give Yanyk all ... t. So, what is next? There are no ways out of the ass. In 2015, new yushchenko will come, again hemorrhoids. It’s like it makes no sense to invest in it in a rented apartment, only to support it, if only it were its own ...
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  21. +10
    29 November 2013 17: 04
    How do they (the EU) hate Russia ...
    Now they also missed such a chance ...
    They climb out of the skin to play a dirty trick. Only Merkel is adequate so far.
    Well, this is understandable, at one time Germany experienced the power of the USSR.
    And the Poles and Balts in this game are simply miserable and funny ...
    Ukraine is thoughtful. It’s good that the calculators were picked up on time.
    And what is the EU? So, some show off. An aging Europe is slowly dying, so it urgently needs donors.
    1. me
      me
      -3
      29 November 2013 17: 17
      I think the EU has exclusively economic interests and nothing personal.
      1. 0
        29 November 2013 18: 18
        That's right, what a huge market the territory of Ukraine is. And in Europe there are so many goods produced and constantly produced, you have to put them somewhere, it is not taken into account, but where will the Ukrainian goods go, and the people too. And yet, politics is present here, in in the modern world, politics without an economy cannot take a step.
      2. Umar
        +1
        29 November 2013 22: 24
        Nooo comrade, here the EU has very strategic geopolitical interests! Yes And economic ones are secondary.
        1. me
          me
          0
          30 November 2013 11: 00
          And what is the purpose of geopolitics in your opinion? It is carried out for the sake of economic interests, and not because someone there likes or dislikes Russia. Concepts such as "love" in politics and economics do not operate at all.
    2. 0
      29 November 2013 17: 33
      Quote: Samsebenum
      An aging Europe is slowly dying, so it urgently needs donors.

      Only Ukraine does not draw on a donor.
      If she were admitted to the EU, she would have taken 21st place there due to her birth rate.
      In the post-Soviet space, it takes the penultimate, 14th place, after it only Lithuania.
      Who needs such a "donor"?
      Even Russia cannot boast of a high birth rate. But even that would be 3rd in the EU, and in the former USSR it takes 8th place.
      1. +1
        30 November 2013 00: 02
        Quote: Sour
        Even Russia cannot boast of a high birth rate. But even that would be 3rd in the EU, and in the former USSR it takes 8th place.

        In October, again a natural increase, 11702 people.
    3. fumanchu
      +3
      29 November 2013 17: 56
      That some show off is true. And Ukrainians really have nothing to do there.
      But they got some kind of hallucination out there. A Ukrainian friend told me their "strategic plan". They say that we will join the EU and they will force politicians to adopt adequate laws. Because there is no faith in independent change.

      You can understand them. If the Russians whine that bureaucrats do not allow them to live, let them exchange experiences with Ukrainians. Immediately respect and love their Russian oppressors.

      The political system in Ukraine in the ABSOLUTE DEGREE is corrupt. This is even hard to imagine anywhere in bingobong. And you can’t get out of this dead end on your own.

      But it is naive to think that the EU will build an adequate political system for them, because the EU itself is mired deeply in corruption and bureaucracy. A collapse threatens them in a couple of years.

      In the best case, they will muddle a colony in Ukraine. But you should not expect good changes from them.
  22. +3
    29 November 2013 17: 15
    Well, the EU, from the prospect of Ukraine’s entry, is gaining new territory in the market for goods and services and revitalizing its stagnation in the economy.
    What side are the United States climbing into and instructing Yanukovych with whom to cooperate with Ukraine?
    This is where their whole "economy" is - this is a big policy of separating the Slavs from Moscow in order to dictate their will to the disunited.
  23. +3
    29 November 2013 17: 17
    Quote: Keeper
    what is necessary "friendly absorption" of Ukraine by Russia!

    Who needs it? Surname, title, position?
    And who will pay for this takeover? Ordinary Russians?
    There was a lot of talk (and I supported) about the referendum for Ukraine.
    But Russia also needs a referendum.
    And the question should be formulated as follows: Do you want, through rising prices, tariffs and taxes, by freezing your pensions, salaries and benefits, to finance the integration of Ukraine with Russia?
    This is how the question should be put, and nothing else. And I'll see how many "imperials" there are in Russia.
    Many talk about how economically unprofitable for Ukraine sign an association agreement with the EU. But these same people (seemingly supporters of economic feasibility) do not even want to discuss how economically profitable is Russia integration with Ukraine (like "friendly takeover"). In the first case, these people operate in economic terms. But in the second case they forget about the economy, and talk more and more about "brotherhood and unity". Torn away from the economy, the Ukrainian slogans of the "European choice" cause understandable ridicule. But they do not laugh at their own ideas of "takeover" (also cut off from the economy).
    1. zardoz
      +2
      29 November 2013 18: 03
      Well, what about the economy in the joint work of the industry of Ukraine and Russia here seems to be in order.
  24. +1
    29 November 2013 17: 17
    Quote: Keeper
    what is necessary "friendly absorption" of Ukraine by Russia!

    Who needs it? Surname, title, position?
    And who will pay for this takeover? Ordinary Russians?
    There was a lot of talk (and I supported) about the referendum for Ukraine.
    But Russia also needs a referendum.
    And the question should be formulated as follows: Do you want, through rising prices, tariffs and taxes, by freezing your pensions, salaries and benefits, to finance the integration of Ukraine with Russia?
    This is how the question should be put, and nothing else. And I'll see how many "imperials" there are in Russia.
    Many talk about how economically unprofitable for Ukraine sign an association agreement with the EU. But these same people (seemingly supporters of economic feasibility) do not even want to discuss how economically profitable is Russia integration with Ukraine (like "friendly takeover"). In the first case, these people operate in economic terms. But in the second case they forget about the economy, and talk more and more about "brotherhood and unity". Torn away from the economy, the Ukrainian slogans of the "European choice" cause understandable ridicule. But they do not laugh at their own ideas of "takeover" (also cut off from the economy).
    1. +2
      29 November 2013 17: 46
      Quote: Sour
      There was a lot of talk (and I supported) about the referendum for Ukraine.
      But Russia also needs a referendum.


      Referendum? It was already. There was a referendum, but there is no Union ...

      It's not about pseudo-democracy with its attributes. The problem is that in Russia and Ukraine thieves seized power and the foundation of the economies of the countries. If in Russia they somehow (I can imagine how their teeth are grinding !!!) unfasten 25-27% (although I think much less), and this somehow (so far) is enough for the poverty of Russians, then in Ukraine they destroyed it to the base and poured it into a pocket.
      While in power, both there and there will be gentlemen who put selfish interests above national interests no integration and the TS will not happen. So Europe will again and again be like a "thimble" to catch suckers for free.
      1. +3
        29 November 2013 17: 52
        Quote: Chen
        While in power, both there and there will be gentlemen who put selfish interests above national no integration and the TS will not happen

        Uh-huh, I heard from the Ukrainians, and read on the forums: "we would have united with Russia, but you have oligarchs in power there." You might think that the common people are in power in the European Union.
        These are all excuses. This is not the case.
        1. 0
          29 November 2013 23: 48
          Quote: Sour
          It's not that.


          In what? In your.
          1. 0
            30 November 2013 11: 03
            In the mass hostile attitude towards Russia that was, is and will be in Ukraine. Denying this is pointless. A significant part of Ukrainians is Russophobic, and their elite is all the same.
            1. zardoz
              +1
              30 November 2013 11: 25
              Quote: Sour
              A significant part of Ukrainians are Russophobic


              Significant is how much? And where did you get this from?
  25. me
    me
    0
    29 November 2013 17: 27
    And I don't care, let them associate. If a loan will help Ukraine - well, it will not help - there will be a lesson. And "to fight" for Ukraine in its current state, with its eternal quirks such as gas theft, tricks with Saakashvili, constant shit over trifles, I consider it humiliating for Russia in general. Let them better brainwash their grumpy character.
  26. +4
    29 November 2013 17: 34
    By the way, an interesting topic, but how do we now relate to Ukraine?
    Something I don’t like the whole story ...
    But it doesn’t turn out that if we decide to support it, it will come to us sideways7
    Once betrayed - there is no guarantee that this will not happen again ...
    We will help, allocate funds, lower tariffs, and she (Ukraine) will wag her tail and run away to another, and ???
    Like, I still can’t marry a European, but I want to. Therefore, I will temporarily live with you, I will gain strength.
    In general, complete nonsense.
    1. +4
      29 November 2013 17: 44
      Quote: Samsebenum
      We will help, allocate funds, lower tariffs, and she (Ukraine) will wag her tail and run away to another, and ???

      So it was already. For example, preferential prices for gas and oil. But in 2004 there was still a "Maidan" with its anti-Russian, anti-Russian, pro-Western slogans. And the Ukrainian media supported this, and statesmen too.
      This is for everyone who likes to talk about "one people".
      Treat Ukraine as you like, at least well, at least badly, the answer will be the same. It's time to figure it out. And elect any president there, nothing will change.
      However, the supporters of "brotherhood and unity" are still alive. But this is already fanaticism, not sanity.
    2. 0
      2 December 2013 04: 39
      I’ll tell you how to relate and what to do (it was necessary, now it may be too late)
      From the very beginning it was necessary to try to reduce the political vector to a minimum, and to do more with the economy. Joint economic projects (not necessarily at the state level, but necessarily without measures by the genitals) could improve relations. How many SUCCESSFUL collaborative projects can you name? I’m not one .... constantly someone is trying to squeeze something from someone, throw it and so on.
      Regarding the attitude towards Russia .... you have no idea what kind of information processing is going on .... here a more or less informed person begins to "substitute concepts." A couple of days ago, my boss even yelled at each other))) He wants to go to Europe because he has no hope for improvement from the inside, he says that maybe the EU will force our "elite" to comply with laws, but if not, then it's worse will not be, you can just get out of the country. And Russia, according to him, will also squeeze out everything that is possible when joining the Customs Union (here I also have concerns), so there is no alternative.
      And you, before being clever and hang up labels, come live here. I have a friend - a Siberian. So - he is also for the association, because he needs a loan to expand his business ... in our banks from 30%, and in Europe from 4.
      And generally speaking. For many years now, a gorgeous picture has been coming from the West - prosperity, law, freedom, human rights, etc., how much money they poured into this propaganda, I’m even afraid to guess. They say very little about their problems and do not advertise this, only on the Internet you can dig, and few people try to figure out the situation. On the part of Russia, there are regular threats and pressure, and this is exposed first of all. And all this is presented like this - the EU gives credit - this is help, Russia is trying to buy it, the EU is setting conditions - they want us to be happy, Russia is crushing and wanting to swallow, European politicians are marching on the Maidan and crawling with advice - they are helping to defend independence, the Russians are crushing and their ambitions are imperial. Although neither the one nor the other in the internal Ukrainian showdown has nothing to do.
      So both our and your politicians are either full downs, or paid, or both. A few years ago, a suspicion crept in me that Moscow and Washington agreed to divide Ukraine, the only way I can explain what is happening recently.
      It happened chaotically, not everything was said, but I have some very bad feeling about it.
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  28. +2
    29 November 2013 17: 46
    Quote: i.xxx-1971
    Ukraine should first enter the Customs Union and the ruble zone, and they will understand what to do next.

    In order to understand - it is necessary to initially change the view on the sovereignty of Ukraine:
    1. ships in the Crimea are not Russian, but their own, for they are doing a common thing!
    2. The Ukrainian people are not second-class, but equal to the Russians, which means they will have to work hard (however, they work in an adult way). Again, now the majority of Ukrainians in Europe are migrant workers, as soon as "the borders open" - our western "friends" can start to arrange all sorts of nasty things in the form of interethnic conflicts (you never know, Uzbeks vs Ukraine, Ukraine vs Chechnya, in short, a solid VSOP)))
    3. The economy will have to be built not on one country, but taking into account ...
    4. Will need a single currency (NOT DOLLAR)))
    1. 0
      29 November 2013 17: 56
      Keeper
      Quote: Keeper
      ... The Ukrainian people are not of the second grade, but equal to the Russians ...

      This item is immediately dead.
      In their opinion:
      Ukrainians are top grade, and Russians are 3rd best at best.
      And so it is not otherwise. Read what they write about us ...
    2. +1
      29 November 2013 20: 10
      The 1st base in Sevastopol never worried, I always knew that ours were there. Soviet, post-Soviet .. the main thing is non-NATO.
      Well, it’s only a specific group of individuals that base itches, and they live far from it.
      It is bad that she, like gas, are leverage.
      2-difficult but possible. A little respect, and like a Russian from a Ukrainian-Czech, do not scratch him anyway, no difference. Maybe a little more borscht wants.
      3-no boundaries yes. But it will be difficult - this is no longer a socialist USSR.
      4 will be difficult ... Yes, at least the first 3 points, although the main 3, 1 is not a problem, 2 is purely personal.
  29. +2
    29 November 2013 17: 51
    Quote: Samsebenum
    But it doesn’t turn out that if we decide to support it, it will come to us sideways7
    Once betrayed - there is no guarantee that this will not happen again ...


    First of all. Why should we support them? In gratitude for not being "thrown" ??
    Let them work! Trade! Let their thieves shake!

    Secondly. Do not hesitate, betrayed, betray, and will betray !!!
  30. +1
    29 November 2013 17: 51
    Quote: Samsebenum
    But it doesn’t turn out that if we decide to support it, it will come to us sideways7
    Once betrayed - there is no guarantee that this will not happen again ...


    First of all. Why should we support them? In gratitude for not being "thrown" ??
    Let them work! Trade! Let their thieves shake!

    Secondly. Do not hesitate, betrayed, betray, and will betray !!!
    1. +1
      29 November 2013 17: 58
      Black
      Quote: Chen
      ... Do not hesitate, betrayed, betray, and will betray ... !!!

      What doubt?
      One confirmation.
      So they became like Poles ...
      1. +2
        29 November 2013 23: 52
        Quote: Samsebenum
        So they became like Poles ...

        In the spring, a wind rose from the north-west .... Pollen carries ... the diviners breathe.
  31. +1
    29 November 2013 17: 52
    The farce continues ...

    - Girl Nadia, what do you want?
    - Nothing but chocolate.
    -No chocolate, there is only "Chupa-chups".
    You stayed somewhere with other tastes.
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  33. +2
    29 November 2013 18: 00
    Quote: Sour

    Who needs it? Surname, title, position?
    And who will pay for this takeover? Ordinary Russians?

    At least laughing at other people's troubles is not comme il faut ...
    The surname is too famous to throw her left and right))
    Rank - count the stars on the bottle)

    Now on to the case. I agree that the delirium of a madman is a merger or a takeover. But Ukraine will not rake on its own - a fact ?! Fact.
    To give it up for dismemberment in the EU is an option, but for Russia it is the loss of an ally, albeit not a bad one in relation to the authorities, but very strong as a "close relative" (all these graters about Bendera, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv are seeds)!
    And unfortunately for Ukraine, it now looks like a drunken peeing boy - where the wind is - there and the stream ...
    And quit. Sorry, and take - .... Does not rise ...
    So what to do ?! Sour?!
    1. 0
      30 November 2013 11: 09
      It must be clearly understood that the reunification of Ukraine with Russia is impossible. This is reality, but one must live in the real world, not in the imagined one.
      And proceeding from this to build a policy.
      Least of all should one think about how to make Ukrainians happy. Moreover, they do not really want this.
      In the first place should be the interests of Russians.
      Losing an ally? Ukraine was not an ally.
  34. +3
    29 November 2013 18: 24
    The EU screwed up to the fullest ... Yes, and who the hell needs Ukraine in Europe, ordinary Lithuanians say that Ukrainians will be their competitors in guest workers and bring down the level of earnings ... Ukraine is needed only as a market for other people's goods and a training ground against Russia ...
  35. +3
    29 November 2013 18: 24
    The EU screwed up to the fullest ... Yes, and who the hell needs Ukraine in Europe, ordinary Lithuanians say that Ukrainians will be their competitors in guest workers and bring down the level of earnings ... Ukraine is needed only as a market for other people's goods and a training ground against Russia ...
  36. +4
    29 November 2013 18: 25
    Quote: "The European Union hoped to get Ukraine's consent to the association, exclusively putting forward its own demands (judicial reform, extradition of Yulia Tymoshenko) and actually offering nothing in return."
    The European Union has lost its sense of reality. By his demands, he gradually reduced Ukraine to the position of a powerless stepdaughter. Naturally, Yanukovych could not stand such mockery and decided to postpone his entry. The European bosses caught themselves: we must have wrung Ukraine's hands badly. But it was too late ... "the train left"
  37. +7
    29 November 2013 18: 29
    And why is this whole European kagal so united in Ukraine, or rather Yanukovych right now? Why, for example, did they not even make a hint about any integration of Ukraine with the EU when Yushchenko was president there? Only suggest this - and I would gladly sign any papers and on any terms. And Moscow would not have to look back, and twist the arms of Yanukovych. But for some reason they were impatient right now, today. It is very likely that some concrete steps by the Kremlin to create and strengthen the Customs Union and Ukraine’s intention to join it, seriously worried Western politicians. Let's ask ourselves - why Ukraine to the European Union? Why not. They don't need her there at all. This is extra ballast and additional problems. It’s just that they were excited because they didn’t want at least the slightest strengthening of Russia under any sauce. But, if Ukraine does write down this framework agreement (after all, it’s not even an accession treaty to the EU), it will be obliged to carry out a number of reforms in its economy, which, ultimately, will lead to further deterioration of the lives of ordinary people, and subsequently to destabilization there are conditions. And there, not far from the riots. What, in fact, is what the EU needs to have on the borders of Russia as many different foci of instability as possible.
  38. Vasquez
    +1
    29 November 2013 18: 46
    Everything is clear here, Yanuk is bargaining who will unfasten him more Russia or the European Union.
  39. +2
    29 November 2013 18: 47
    Quote: i
    I think the EU has exclusively economic interests and nothing personal.

    For some reason, everyone forgot about the military-political.
  40. +1
    29 November 2013 18: 47
    Quote: i
    I think the EU has exclusively economic interests and nothing personal.

    For some reason, everyone forgot about the military-political.
  41. +8
    29 November 2013 19: 08
    Sometimes I wish that Russia, for historical and civilizational reasons, could not afford to just send in troops, disperse the autocrats in the corners, and the most bruised ones in the Carpathian caches. But such is the proportion of the bright side of the force that its adherents cannot be aggressors.
    I can imagine what the British would do if suddenly Cornwall or Northumbria became independent.
    1. zardoz
      +6
      29 November 2013 19: 13
      Let's hope we see what the British will do if the Scots become independent
    2. +3
      29 November 2013 20: 16
      Quote: vostok1982
      Sometimes I wish that Russia, for historical and civilizational reasons, could not afford to just send in troops, disperse the autocrats in the corners, and the most bruised ones in the Carpathian caches.

      So I will be surprised at your surprise when the Russian contingent enters the Southeastern regions of Ukraine ...)))
      Our brothers, our servants will be greeted, as always with flowers, while the zapadents at that time hanging on the handrails of trains, and where simply along the rails and auto-lock signals, along the untouched railway tracks with a track width of 1520 mm, as before, waddle the macron gait to the West, to native panam ...
      Not to the Maidan will be defective to them - legs would carry away ...
      1. Hudo
        +5
        29 November 2013 21: 08
        Quote: Tartary
        So I will be surprised at your surprise when the Russian contingent enters the Southeastern regions of Ukraine ...)))
        Our brothers, our servants will be greeted, as always with flowers, while the zapadents at that time hanging on the handrails of trains, and where simply along the rails and auto-lock signals, along the untouched railway tracks with a track width of 1520 mm, as before, waddle the macron gait to the West, to native panam ...
        Not to the Maidan will be defective to them - legs would carry away ...


        Not at all, and categorically! Zapadentsev are just the first to rush to obtain Russian citizenship - some with a dagger in their bosoms, some with a stone. Rotten and two-faced people. We'll have to trap and deport, giving them a choice of Galicia or Franz Joseph Land.
        1. Antabka
          -4
          29 November 2013 22: 47
          What a radical you are. Hitler also did something similar with many nations and with Ukrainians too
          1. +6
            30 November 2013 00: 50
            Quote: Antabka
            What a radical you are. Hitler also did something similar with many nations and with Ukrainians too


            Yeah, by the hands of "lads" from the SS division "Galicia" am
            1. Antabka
              -2
              30 November 2013 02: 15
              I did not start this topic. Have you forgotten ROA and Vlasov? and there were no policemen among the Russians? Or maybe you read about aiding the Germans in the Bryansk region. 4,5 million prisoners of war and most of them Russian and all were captured by wounds and shell shock ?. Or maybe you read that the Germans deliberately limited the composition of the ROA for fear of turning weapons against them?. If it weren’t for the Hitler geek with his atrocious intentions and the total destruction of the Slavs, the Bolsheviks would hardly have stayed in power --- we would have died if we hadn't died --- the Greeks said so winning the battle of Salomin
              1. +3
                30 November 2013 02: 23
                I did not start this topic. Have you forgotten ROA and Vlasov? and there were no policemen among the Russians? Or maybe you read about aiding the Germans in the Bryansk region. 4,5 million prisoners of war and most of them Russian and all were captured by wounds and shell shock?
                and right there
                Or maybe you read that the Germans deliberately limited the composition of the ROA for fear of turning weapons against them?

                Read your comments and try to find some meaning and logic in them. You either write the first part of the phrase, or the second. Or is there any one meaning that is clear to you.
                1. Antabka
                  -5
                  30 November 2013 02: 50
                  For those who are not intelligent with respect ... How many divisions would Vlasov have formed from purely Russian if the Germans did not interfere with him? Judging by the prisoners of war who surrendered voluntarily (see the Chronicle of the Military Album website), I'm afraid to be mistaken, but up to 1 million would have gone So let's not remember the respected "Galicia" Geeks enough.
              2. +1
                8 December 2013 12: 40
                Bryansk haunts you, they have offended you there. When my grandfather was mobilized into the Red Army in 41, they were not even given a weapon, as all the mobilized were surrounded. Therefore, most of all the southwestern districts of the Bryansk region came to the front in 43, but I advise you to go to the Partizanskaya Polyana Memorial Complex and see how many partisans there were, in each district of the region there were several detachments. "The Bryansk Forest rustled harshly" have you heard such a song? It is not known how the war would have ended if it were not for the partisans. And you have heard about such a city, Pogar, and why it is called that. Pogar is one of the oldest settlements in the Russian Federation. According to archaeological data, the first Slavic settlement on this site arose in the VIII-IX centuries. In 1155, the settlement was first mentioned as the urban settlement of Radoshch, later Radogoshch. At the end of the 30s of the 2th century it was devastated by the Mongol-Tatars. [XNUMX]
                In the 2nd half of the XNUMXth century, the city passed into the possession of Lithuania.
                In the years 1500-1618 was part of the Russian state. In the fall of 1534, the Kiev governor Andrei Nemirovich burned Radogosh, but could not take Starodub and Chernigov. After the ruin of Radogosch by the Lithuanians in 1563, the population fled; in place of the former population for a long time only the hillfort remained. The newly arisen, it is not known when, the city already bore the name "Burn" (that is, burnt)
                Well, what can we go to Kiev together, I have a "saiga", I will find a double-barreled gun for you, you promised the invaders with a rifle, because Chernigov also suffered love
                And if it were not for Prince Kiev of Kiev, I could have been born not in the working village of Pogar, but in the large and ancient city of Rodogoshch.
                Kievans are waiting for an apology from you for your ancestors.
                1. Antabka
                  -1
                  8 December 2013 19: 28
                  You can’t rewrite history. What was it was. It’s only customary to remember all the good. About the bad and not necessary?
                  1. 0
                    8 December 2013 20: 08
                    And what then do your famines on the Maidan remember, is it we who starved them? My father and grandmother also told me how nausea was made from rotten potatoes. You see, you provide the facts as you like, quickly learn from your future fellow citizens? or owners? think double standards
                    1. Antabka
                      0
                      11 December 2013 00: 10
                      It would be nice to have a discussion with you on history. We have read different literature. Different views. It seems to me that on this Russian site I pull a tiger by the mustache. It is interesting to set us against each other. The Russians made an awesome film that was initially banned from showing in Ukraine "We are from the future 2" and showed it at the time of the rallies "See what the Russians think of us" A kind of manipulation of consciousness. I can argue that YOU are also brainwashed so that YOU are not noticeable. I live in those parts where the Holodomor was, whole villages died out !!! Nobody knows the scale of the real and the consequences
              3. 0
                11 December 2013 00: 29
                Quote: Antabka
                Have you forgotten ROA and Vlasov?

                Dear Natalie, my grandfather - Mikhail Grigorievich Alekseenko, met the war in the Brest region on June 22, 1941, and ended it on May 11, 1945 on the border of the Czech Republic and Austria. He ended up in hand-to-hand combat with the "Vlasovites" who were breaking through to the Americans, hiding behind captured Russian soldiers as a shield. And in order to give at least some chance to survive to those who were taken prisoner "drunk" soldiers, the tankers got into hand-to-hand combat with the "Vlasovites", they did not take prisoners, no one, they put everyone there ... What do you think was "Vlasovites" from my grandfather, and what did you give me? So, of course, traitors were and we do not consider them "heroes". You cannot take the side of the enemies of your people, there are no excuses ...
          2. Antabka
            -1
            8 December 2013 19: 25
            And who is minus the one for Hitler YES?
            1. +1
              11 December 2013 00: 31
              Quote: Antabka
              And who is minus the one for Hitler YES?

              He just has his own opinion ...
  42. +5
    29 November 2013 19: 30
    Quote: vostok1982
    Sometimes I wish that Russia, for historical and civilizational reasons, could not afford to just send in troops, disperse the autocrats in the corners, and the most bruised ones in the Carpathian caches. But such is the proportion of the bright side of the force that its adherents cannot be aggressors.
    I can imagine what the British would do if suddenly Cornwall or Northumbria became independent.

    Poland Romania, the Baltic states .. they muddy the water .. They need to be wetted economically morally up to the military threat .. (for Ukraine) .. and for the Caucasus Saudis .. Kattar .. (this is in general terms ..). As they say look for someone profitable all this .. and everything will fall into place ..! bully Russia is slowly gaining strength .. (then remember everything .. and nabutskaem for everything and everyone ..))) Give time ..
    1. Sax
      Sax
      0
      29 November 2013 20: 06
      Alexej  Today, 17:20 ↑ New

      Quote: APES
      How can we not care ?!

      Well, you may not, but I really do not care. Hto The second day on the site is arguing about integration with the EU ... Madame, study history, try to learn the basics of geopolitics, economics. One must think not only with heart and soul, but with some other mechanisms (for example, convolutions).

      And who told you
    2. Fin
      +3
      29 November 2013 20: 20
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Russia is slowly gaining strength .. (then remember everything .. and nabutskaem for everything and everyone ..))) Give time ..

      That's right. At least another five years.
    3. Antabka
      0
      8 December 2013 19: 34
      Well, what are you better than the same Americans? Hitler said “Who is not with me is against me?” Is Chechnya not enough for you? Do you want to get bogged down in Ukraine as well?
      1. +1
        8 December 2013 19: 46
        Quote: Antabka
        Well, what are you better than the same Americans? ........ said "Who is not with me is against me" suits you?

        Well, what kind of stupidity did you write here .......... You would still refer to the half-pot soldiers and bring them as a quote.
        Quote: Antabka
        Chechnya is not enough for you?

        But this smacks of threat.
        Quote: Antabka
        Do you also want to get bogged down in Ukraine?

        But is any of those present here on the forum going to attack Ukraine ?! winked
        Your logic is strange.
        1. +3
          8 December 2013 19: 50
          Quote: Apollon
          But who among those present here on the forum is going to attack Ukraine ?!

          I personally came across more than a dozen.
        2. Antabka
          0
          13 December 2013 00: 01
          Quote: Apollon
          But it smells like a threat

          I mean when Russia introduces the military into Ukraine - will we defend ourselves and thereby threaten?
      2. 0
        8 December 2013 21: 45
        Quote: Antabka
        Hitler said "Who is not with me is against me
        He who is not with me is against me; and he who does not gather with me scatters. Therefore, I say to you: all sin and blasphemy will be forgiven to people, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven to men; if anyone speaks a word on the Son of Man, he will be forgiven him; if anyone speaks of the Holy Spirit, he will not be forgiven him either in this century or in the future.
        (Matt 12: 30-32

        AntabkaYou are a fantastic ignoramus. Or will you claim that Matthew quoted your idol?
        1. Antabka
          0
          11 December 2013 00: 25
          How fast do you hang up shortcuts !!! You’re talking about an idol ... I don’t pay attention to an ignoramus There are many of them !!! I was interested in the history of this geek and no one forbade him to quote and take into account many fame and expression, and the followers of his theory are abundant on this site. They don’t even notice how they started playing Great Russian chauvinism. Hang them LABELS and associate THEM with Hitler, I do not approve of Ukrainian nationalism, but at least they are not going to attach Russia to Ukraine .... love
          1. zardoz
            0
            11 December 2013 00: 53
            Quote: Antabka
            at least they are not going to join Russia to Ukraine

            Are they going to join the EU to Ukraine?
            1. Antabka
              0
              11 December 2013 01: 22
              The topic was in the first sentences. Can you comment on them?
              1. zardoz
                0
                11 December 2013 01: 41
                Quote: Antabka
                The topic was in the first sentences. Can you comment on them?

                Usually the most important in small print and at the end
  43. Sax
    Sax
    +2
    29 November 2013 20: 09
    I repeat. The site is junking something. wink

    Alexej  Today, 17:20 ↑ New

    Quote: APES
    How can we not care ?!

    Well, you may not, but I really do not care. Hto The second day on the site is arguing about integration with the EU ... Madame, study history, try to learn the basics of geopolitics, economics. One must think not only with heart and soul, but with some other mechanisms (for example, convolutions).

    And who told you that you have more of them (convolutions)?
  44. Sax
    Sax
    -1
    29 November 2013 20: 11
    Quote: zardoz
    Let's hope we see what the British will do if the Scots become independent


    So an example is near: Putin in Chechnya, etc.
    1. zardoz
      +1
      30 November 2013 02: 21
      And what does Putin have to do with it?
  45. Little Russia
    +12
    29 November 2013 20: 13
    On the Maidan gathered: mercenaries, illiterate gorlopans and ordinary bastards, who have their own personal interest. Sometimes you want the Nazis to start a civil war, bring down these freaks so that they at least begin to understand something. And even better - to separate from them and let them run around Europe. And if Russia decided to occupy Little Russia and brought in troops, then I would begin to help them restore order here. And this is honest and frank.
    1. +4
      29 November 2013 20: 16
      Quote: Little Russia
      And even better - to separate from them and let them run around Europe.

      it’s necessary to separate it with the territory, but this is not good. just evicted from the country, and let Europe accept them as politically persecuted
      1. Jogan-xnumx
        +3
        29 November 2013 23: 57
        Quote: andrei332809
        it’s necessary to separate it with the territory, but this is not good. just evicted from the country, and let Europe accept them as politically persecuted

        Yes nafig it is necessary, their territory !? Together with their Hoverla and the zanyuhany Ukrainian "Piedmont" that is Lviv? What's valuable there? Bandera caches? Resorts? What??? Yes there is NOTHING there! But these nationally preoccupied degenerates to everyone else are already in their livers with their cave dullness and arrogance! Just kick them out of the territory of normal Ukraine, separate them and let them, together with this territory and their one-celled brain, scratch the outlets to their Europe. I assure you there will be little loss. Not even at all. But the rest will not be bothered with their cave-like kugutiarism and their cheesy footcloth ...
  46. +3
    29 November 2013 20: 18
    There is a saying: - An affectionate calf sucks two mothers (and one is not given to an awake one)
    so I look at everything that is happening and feel that Ukraine will have to suck only one, and possibly not the uterus.
    1. +5
      29 November 2013 21: 54
      There is another saying - "A bad head does not give rest to the legs." If the government has brains on one side, the people suffer. fool
  47. 0
    29 November 2013 20: 18
    There is a saying: - An affectionate calf sucks two mothers (and one is not given to an awake one)
    so I look at everything that is happening and feel that Ukraine will have to suck only one, and possibly not the uterus.
  48. July
    +2
    29 November 2013 20: 22
    Now the only thing that is clear what happened is that Ukraine escaped these tight embraces of the European Union and this is not enough. Further events do not need to rush. Now, understanding will come from different sides, everything will settle down and only then will further movement and other path choices be possible. In fact, what has just happened is comparable to a global cataclysm and everyone is still alive, let's hope for the best.
  49. July
    0
    29 November 2013 20: 22
    Now the only thing that is clear what happened is that Ukraine escaped these tight embraces of the European Union and this is not enough. Further events do not need to rush. Now, understanding will come from different sides, everything will settle down and only then will further movement and other path choices be possible. In fact, what has just happened is comparable to a global cataclysm and everyone is still alive, let's hope for the best.
    1. Antabka
      0
      29 November 2013 21: 48
      But I worry that after the failure of the summit, Russia will not withdraw its claims from Ukraine and press her poor one until she bows her head to Russia or spreads her legs as she likes. Personally, I do not see the difference between the EU and Russia. Both WANT ----- her " market"
      1. +6
        29 November 2013 22: 03
        Excuse me, of course, but what kind of approach do you have for your country:
        she will not bow her head in front of Russia or spread her legs as she pleases Personally, I do not see the difference between the EU and Russia Both WANT ----- her "market"

        I read your posts and I got the impression that you are to blame for everything in Russia, and you expose your country as a prostitute. stop
        1. Antabka
          +1
          29 November 2013 22: 54
          The president and co are acting as prostitutes. And your opinion about the fault of Russia before Ukraine --- I would look for points of rapprochement between the countries and there is nothing to be dogged Better a bad world than a good trade war
          1. +5
            29 November 2013 23: 02
            Previously, something that was not looking for. But no, they were looking before the presidential elections. Each presidential candidate in the election programs "A course for rapprochement with Russia." After the elections, he traditionally turned his back. The last vivid example is Yanukovych.
            "Until a certain time there were many people who clearly sympathized with Yanukovych. They were impressed by Viktor Fedorovich's rather harsh statements about NATO. Now such people are becoming less and less. Until recently, many citizens of the Russian Federation were impressed by the position Yulia Tymoshenko... But she has recently said so much against Russia and done so much anti-Russian ... You can probably talk with Tymoshenko, but there is no trust. The credit of confidence in Yulia Tymoshenko is shrinking, "Russian MP Konstantin Rykov said. November 2009, XNUMX
      2. +2
        29 November 2013 22: 23
        You yourself need markets for your products so that the industry is not completely bent. Really incomprehensible. The question is that Ukraine needs Russia more than Russia needs Ukraine. And it all ends up with Russia having to push money into Ukraine without the prospect of a return. The mess that you have been doing for 23 years has already bothered everyone (especially the Ukrainians themselves) and it will soon end in one way or another.
        Ukraine fell into this position through no fault of the evil Russia (
        Antabka However, now RUSSIA will strangle us --- DENSE --- for rebellion. Such is she, your mother
        ), but through the fault of irresponsible Ukrainian politicians. For some reason, you constantly confuse the cause with the effect. A bunch of claims to Russia and not any claims to their policies past and present. Your fellow countryman (sapran) correctly said on this site:
        There are a lot of miscalculations, since during the whole history of "Independence" there was not ONE "STATE" All some sort of rot, then "mummers from the Communist Party" then "GOSTEPOVSKIE" then "DONETSKIE" of a normal sovereign person not ONE !!!
        1. Antabka
          +1
          29 November 2013 23: 07
          I agree with you almost entirely. Time will judge ...
      3. +3
        29 November 2013 23: 46
        Quote: Antabka
        Personally, I do not see the difference between the EU and Russia. Both WANT ----- its "market"

        Russia needs not only the Ukrainian market, but also industry, which mainly works for Russia. But who in the geyropa needs Ukrainian industry?
  50. Sax
    Sax
    +3
    29 November 2013 20: 37
    Little Russia  Today, 20:13 New

    On the Maidan gathered: mercenaries, illiterate gorlopans and ordinary bastards, who have their own personal interest. Sometimes you want the Nazis to start a civil war, bring down these freaks so that they at least begin to understand something. And even better - to separate from them and let them run around Europe. And if Russia decided to occupy Little Russia and brought in troops, then I would begin to help them restore order here. And this is honest and frank.

    I, unlike you, are Ukrainian. And this is the question: how do you look at replacing Europe with Russia in your text, and as regards restoring order and eviction, then apply everything to you. (For reference: I and my ancestors have lived on the northern coast of the Sea of ​​Azov for centuries. My mother is from Tambov, and my father is a southern Ukrainian. I am the same. I'm proud of). For this is my MOTHERLAND. I live here for more than fifty years. And you are under the national flag of my country of Ukraine, judging by the statements - without clan and tribe.
    1. Antabka
      -3
      29 November 2013 20: 58
      You were in Russia. I hope the second-rate Little Russians were not there drinks
  51. +8
    29 November 2013 21: 00
    My dear Slovenian brothers, if you want to live like in Europe, then live, who is not enough for you? And if you have enough brains to drink, and undress each other around the corner, (and go to the Maidan, Bolotnaya, drink a hundred grams, spend a little money) then oh What you dream is what you get.
    I personally know a German who works and lives in Russia, he says everything is just buzz, you need to know your business, and here we are discussing who the Ukrainians are, the aborigines or the Indians, for the West in this world.
    and in general the matter of association with the EU looks like prostitution on a national scale...
  52. Sax
    Sax
    +2
    29 November 2013 21: 10
    Antabka  Today, 20:58 ↑ New

    You were in Russia. I hope the second-rate Little Russians were not there


    Well, what are you doing? I was never a Little Russian. And therefore second grade, naturally. But I remember with what salivation native Muscovites in one very large company rushed to the salsa and vodka I brought. drinks
    1. Antabka
      -2
      29 November 2013 21: 42
      My impressions of Moscow and Muscovites are more negative than pleasant, and under no circumstances should you say that you are from Ukraine. Relationships change immediately. Although not in all cases stop
      1. Alex 241
        +4
        29 November 2013 21: 48
        Quote: Antabka
        don’t say that you are from Ukraine.
        And what kind of horror stories are you telling?
        1. Antabka
          -1
          29 November 2013 22: 19
          Bad story. They think that we come to earn their money. Never set foot in Moscow again. Although my brother has been living from Moscow earnings for 13 years and nothing bad... drinks
          1. Alex 241
            +2
            29 November 2013 22: 21
            Quote: Antabka
            They think that we come to earn their money.
            Who?
          2. 0
            8 December 2013 12: 05
            They think that we come to earn their money.Natasha, you contradict yourself.Although my brother has been living in Moscow for 13 years and nothing bad... drinks Although I don’t like “native” Muscovites either, closer to retirement I’ll still go to live in the Bryansk region, but I’ll just earn a second apartment so that each of the children will have their own apartment
        2. Antabka
          0
          30 November 2013 01: 58
          By the way, I heard that in Russia there is also Independence Day and who or what are you not dependent on and when were you dependent (with respect) wink
          1. +1
            30 November 2013 15: 40
            Quote: Antabka
            By the way, I heard that in Russia there is also Independence Day and who or what are you not dependent on and when were you dependent (with respect)

            By the way, heh, there is no such holiday in Russia and there never was. Until 2002, it was the Day of Adoption of the Declaration of State Sovereignty of the Russian Federation.
          2. 0
            1 December 2013 21: 35
            Quote: Antabka
            By the way, I heard that in Russia there is also Independence Day and who or what are you not dependent on and when were you dependent (with respect)

            Madam, is there nowhere else for you to quarrel? So you DID NOT HEAR SOMETHING CORRECTLY, “I hear a ringing, but I don’t know where it is” - there is a Russian proverb...
            Since 2002, this holiday has been called Russia Day. And before, for 12 years in a row, it was called the Day of Adoption of the “Declaration of State Sovereignty of Russia.”
      2. +2
        29 November 2013 22: 42
        Rave. My friends in Moscow have half of their relatives from Ukraine, and no one in Moscow is afraid of this!
        1. Antabka
          -1
          29 November 2013 23: 04
          I didn’t say it was scary there, but I didn’t come up with the phrase FUCKING HERE!!!!
          1. Alex 241
            +4
            29 November 2013 23: 07
            Quote: Antabka
            FUCKING HERE
            This is a stereotype that I have never heard of as long as I have lived.
          2. +2
            29 November 2013 23: 14
            Quote: Antabka
            but I didn’t come up with the phrase FUCKING HERE!!!!
      3. zardoz
        +3
        29 November 2013 23: 26
        Quote: Antabka
        and under no circumstances say that you are from Ukraine. Relationships change immediately.

        Are you sure that you were in Moscow?
      4. 0
        8 December 2013 12: 14
        It’s not true, I haven’t noticed this in my circle, you have no less boors and thugs
    2. 0
      8 December 2013 12: 13
      We have enough salt of our own, but we should drink Ukrainian, Bryansk, or Tambov vodka, it’s all the same now
  53. Sax
    Sax
    0
    29 November 2013 21: 19
    white grandfather  Today, 21:00
    In general, the matter of association with the EU looks like prostitution on a national scale...

    What about the Customs Union?
  54. Little Russia
    +14
    29 November 2013 21: 32
    For Sax.

    I have lived on the territory of Little Russia since childhood - since 1960. Over the past 22 years, I have seen and heard enough and have developed a strong opinion. What is the norm for you is an abomination for me. My Motherland is being reshaped and re-educated by those whom I do not consider compatriots - strangers with a different mentality, the main feature of which is a tendency to sell their land. I am a Little Russian and I hear the slogans “m.....knives!” and I see marches of Nazis who hate me and want to kill me. You, a “Ukrainian,” don’t notice this. That's the difference. Why do the Eurozombies on the Maidan speak on my behalf? I am a simple person, but I understand and know that even an association with the EU may be fraught with the fact that my enterprise will die and where will I go then? Where will those idiots who are now screaming about the “European choice” go? I don’t want the state in which I live to be a puppet of the west of Ukraine. This problem, of course, does not bother you. Well, this is understandable: we are somewhere down here, and you are somewhere high up there... My father is from Pskov, my mother is from Kharkov. Both have already died. You and I have different patriotism: from yours, the country will die, from mine, it will be reborn. As for applying my approach to me - there is no market, try it.
  55. +2
    29 November 2013 21: 38
    And even though I’m scratching my head, I don’t understand why we owe anything to Ukraine at all? Why is she so easily ready to sell out and doesn’t care about history, relationships, prospects for the future. Or did Ukraine already receive preferences from the West in a past life? We, Russia, are not a civilized and not a cultured nation, but they suddenly want culture, they are not on the same path with us. And if not for the global depression, Ukraine would have surprised everyone, well, what? The EU will fuck everyone and throw overboard the ballast, such as Greece, Bulgaria and a dozen other countries that have already lost their economies beyond recovery. And who dances the girls, the country that started WORLD WORLD II? What nonsense, how can anyone trust her?
    I like Pushkov and his show, I watch it regularly.
  56. +4
    29 November 2013 21: 54
    It’s too early to write odes of praise to Putin and scold Yanukovych!
    Nobody refused integration with Europe and this is the main result.!!! For some reason this is not noticeable??? They moved the date of signing and nothing more. Yanukovych is selling Ukraine to Europe and now the two sides have not agreed on the price - THAT'S ALL!!
    At the moment, economically tempting offers have already started pouring in and political demands have been relaxed.
    I think the trade will continue, Ukraine will go to a generous sponsor. Only now Russia is allowed to trade.
  57. Sax
    Sax
    -4
    29 November 2013 22: 44
    Antabka  Today, 21:42 ↑ New

    My impressions of Moscow and Muscovites are more negative than pleasant, and under no circumstances should you say that you are from Ukraine. Relationships change immediately. Although not in all cases

    Yes, I would like their attitude. I have traveled to many Russian places. I reached Novosibirsk and Tomsk. Been to the outback. God forbid us from such “allied” places... It’s bad at home. But this is understandable: the Bondit raspberry is in power (though there is a question “thanks to whom” - this is for the Little Russian negative ) But the TS is led by a nano-advanced, technologically rich... Lord, forgive me for being in a fuss, but still there’s no need.
    And if you dig deeper... Courts, prosecutors, GB (sorry, FSB), double standards in the national issue. What about economic inequality?!!!!!! Nope. We need to wait.
    1. Fin
      +4
      29 November 2013 23: 08
      Quote: Sax
      I have traveled to many Russian places. I reached Novosibirsk and Tomsk. Been to the outback

      Quote: Sax
      Courts, prosecutor's office, GB (sorry, FSB), double standards in the national issue. What about economic inequality?!!!!!! Nope. We need to wait.

      Under what circumstances did you visit the outback? If it's not a secret, of course. Economic inequality you say? Have you seen equality anywhere besides fairy tales in childhood?
      Quote: Sax
      But the TS, led by a nanoadvanced, technologically rich... Lord, forgive me for being in a fuss, but still there’s no need.

      For 20 years, everything has been...., now you are looking for a rich groom.
      Of course.. it’s better to stick (the mentality is familiar) to the EU so that they can be fed and watered. Who will allow this? To them, are you hungry, unskilled laborers, or do you need to first get into the g... to understand?
  58. +5
    29 November 2013 22: 46
    Oh, how Mrs. Merkel was worried that it was not possible to peacefully engage Ukraine in the EU! Oh no no no! After all, what noble goals she was guided by! And it went wrong... When half a century ago they walked across Ukraine, burning villages, destroying cities, raping and hanging our girls, they were also guided by the same “good intentions,” eh?
  59. +2
    29 November 2013 23: 06
    Russia will do nothing to attract Ukraine to a long-term union. Russia is ruled by the nouveau riche and they don’t care about various geopolitical projects - they would like to fill their purses more tightly, and that’s all. If you attract Ukraine to the union, then in this case you need to offer it the sale of energy resources at prices much lower than for Europe, and this is absolutely unprofitable for the nouveau riche; they need to trade at the highest prices in order to increase their profits. Our oligarchs who rule the country actually benefit from Ukraine being part of the EU, since then they will trade with it at prices that are set for the EU. That is why Russia is making absolutely no efforts to keep Ukraine from joining the EU. The oligarchs don’t care about Ukraine as a partner; they are only interested in it as a sales market and as a possible competitor. Upon joining the EU, Ukraine will lose all industry and partly agriculture, which again benefits our nouveau riche - one less competitor both in the general and in the arms market. So, there can be no talk of any “brotherly” relations there—purely pragmatic, capitalist relations, nothing personal. Yanukovych, like the “calf” from the famous saying, is trying to “suck from two queens.” Previously he had succeeded, but now he was faced with a choice: he could only “suck” one, that’s all. That’s why he rushes between the two sides, trying to figure out which queen has richer milk. But he really has no choice - if Yanukovych joins the EU, then the EU plan for Eastern European non-countries will automatically work - loans to feed the political elite, with the obligatory condition of perceiving Russia as a common and worst enemy, and the rest of the local people - to hell with him, somehow he will get out and feed himself. If he enters into a close alliance with Russia, then he will have to take on his own head some of the nasty things that the EU does for Russia and he will have to get out of everything himself, sort out politics, economics, etc. That is, work and work... and this in the presence of a strong pro-Western “fifth column”. Does he need it? It’s easier to lay under the EU, as all our former CMEA allies and the Baltic republics did. Therefore, it is clear that Ukraine will be in the EU - this is a fact; it simply has no choice.
    1. +4
      29 November 2013 23: 24
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      If Ukraine is attracted to the union, then in this case it is necessary to offer it the sale of energy resources at prices much lower than for Europe,

      You won’t believe it, there was a time when Ukraine was sold gas at prices lower than to Europe and even lower than to its consumers. Everyone expected something from them. Yes, but not to feed the horse. Good - now money in the morning, chairs in the evening. Stop waiting for miracles.
  60. 0
    29 November 2013 23: 13
    up to calls to “make public the truth about the assassination of John Kennedy.” As you understand, no one is going to comply with this petition. I note that she did not even get a tenth of the required votes - 1 thousand signatures with the required 100 thousand.

    Post the link here - we will support... (otherwise it's all Fidel's fault...)
  61. 0
    29 November 2013 23: 13
    up to calls to “make public the truth about the assassination of John Kennedy.” As you understand, no one is going to comply with this petition. I note that she did not even get a tenth of the required votes - 1 thousand signatures with the required 100 thousand.

    Post the link here - we will support... (otherwise it's all Fidel's fault...)
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  63. +1
    29 November 2013 23: 13
    What are you talking about? Have you seen Yanukovych’s face? Well done, such a face with a grin. I think Russia has done everything it could - to prevent gayropa at any cost. And then it’s the business of two brothers. We’ll figure it out.
    1. Sax
      Sax
      -4
      29 November 2013 23: 40
      Are you my brother?
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        1. Sax
          Sax
          +1
          30 November 2013 01: 43
          So why are you coming here?
  64. +3
    29 November 2013 23: 19

    Quote: Antabka
    European states are united, have their own currency, have their own parliament, which is not mutual assistance and still agree to annex countries in order to digest them within themselves.

    As a rule, when overcooked, it ends up in the sewer.
  65. Sax
    Sax
    -2
    29 November 2013 23: 25
    For the Little Russian

    I have lived on the territory of Little Russia since childhood - since 1960. Over the past 22 years, I have seen and heard enough and have developed a strong opinion. What is the norm for you is an abomination for me. My Motherland is being reshaped and re-educated by those whom I do not consider compatriots - strangers with a different mentality, the main feature of which is a tendency to sell their land.

    Who is your compatriot? Who is the stranger? Maybe I?


    I am a Little Russian and I hear the slogans “m.....knives!” and I see marches of Nazis who hate me and want to kill me.

    Where did you see it? Where did you hear it? 3 years ago I worked for 7 months in a western one. I will answer: don’t disgrace yourself - wonderful, generous, robotic people live there who honor their parents and teachers, traditions and responsibilities. In our south, this is unfortunately rare on such a scale. According to press reports, it is in the southeast that people sell their votes especially often. This is because there is no HOMELAND from GOD.



    You, a “Ukrainian,” don’t notice this.


    I AM UKRAINIAN without quotes.

    That's the difference. Why do the Eurozombies on the Maidan speak on my behalf? I am a simple person, but I understand and know that even an association with the EU may be fraught with the fact that my enterprise will die and where will I go then? Where will those idiots who are now screaming about the “European choice” go? I don’t want the state in which I live to be a puppet of the west of Ukraine. This problem, of course, does not bother you. Well, this is understandable: we are somewhere down here, and you are somewhere high up there... My father is from Pskov, my mother is from Kharkov. Both have already died. You and I have different patriotism: from yours, the country will die, from mine, it will be reborn.

    The country is already dying after your vote for Yanukovych.

    As for applying my approach to me - there is no market, try it.


    bring down these freaks so that they at least begin to understand something. Better yet, separate from them and let them run around Europe. And if Russia decided to occupy Little Russia and sent in troops, then I would begin to help them restore order here. And this is honest and frank.

    So who are you after that?
    1. zardoz
      +3
      29 November 2013 23: 54
      Would Yulia build heaven on earth in a separate country?
    2. Jogan-xnumx
      +4
      30 November 2013 00: 26
      Quote: Sax
      So who are you after that?

      He is precisely a true patriot of his Motherland. In contrast to the Austrian-German imperial project "District Galychin-Ukraine" with the yellow-blaky footcloth presented from the Habsburgs for the high-quality licking of the German-imperial ass.
      Learn the materiel, clowns..., together with the Antabka. fool And I’ll tell you, 1881-1885, the history of the Austrian Empire. Franz Joseph 1st.
  66. EdwardTich68
    0
    30 November 2013 00: 04
    Yes, these fools will print papers up to their noses. You will become despondent later. They will take the example of American Jews.
  67. Sax
    Sax
    -3
    30 November 2013 01: 22
    Quote: Sax
    I have traveled to many Russian places. I reached Novosibirsk and Tomsk. Been to the outback

    Quote: Sax
    Courts, prosecutor's office, GB (sorry, FSB), double standards in the national issue. What about economic inequality?!!!!!! Nope. We need to wait.

    Under what circumstances did you visit the outback? If it's not a secret, of course. Economic inequality you say? Have you seen equality anywhere besides fairy tales in childhood?
    Quote: Sax
    But the TS, led by a nanoadvanced, technologically rich... Lord, forgive me for being in a fuss, but still there’s no need.

    For 20 years, everything has been...., now you are looking for a rich groom.
    Of course.. it’s better to stick (the mentality is familiar) to the EU so that they can be fed and watered. Who will allow this? To them, are you hungry, unskilled laborers, or do you need to first get into the g... to understand?

    Reply to FIN

    Well, my dear, are you like that? We saw the word court and immediately an article... This is your typical mentality speaking in you. And I went on business trips, sometimes to visit old friends. But they are from the USSR.
    I have hated GEBNYa since childhood, when I heard from my father, a WWII veteran and order bearer: Shut up! If someone behind the door hears... (I remember this fear in my eyes forever). And just this: I, sitting in front of the TV on V. Zorin’s program about America, admired the cars I saw and asked: “Dad, why don’t we have something like this?”
    All! Gebnya are creatures. And your little one is one of them. I need such a brother... Lord, forgive and save.
    Now as for “fucked up”. Here you are right. Just like you, Russians.
    But the only question is: why are you fighting with the West for my homeland? We are beggars, and you are so rich...
    And I, as a freedom-loving person, hate it when everything in my garden splashes its stinking saliva on my native land. So that.
    1. +1
      30 November 2013 13: 51
      The father is an order bearer, but he did not raise his son. Gabnya...The term speaks for itself. He quietly hated it while sitting in the toilet. Straight right back. “Pezik”... D...k, no matter what he is, he is a historical figure; many consider him the most influential politician in the world. My son came out a little stupid. Zorina remembers that he’s already gray-haired in all places, and there are already “such cars” everywhere, but his mind is defective.
      Nobody quarrels with anyone, but offer to live together, without customs and be allies, share joys and bear hardships together.
      It seems that people and order in Russia are worse than in the EU. Probably dad taught...
      Well, if I don’t like it in Russia, I go to..., or rather to the EU. If, of course, they take it. laughing
      Because from association to membership, it’s like going to Kyiv with cancer...
      Otherwise, it’s possible to hang like a g... in an ice hole for “many years.” There are examples. Too lazy to think about what Ukraine is there for.
      It’s just the gentlemen who have capital in the West, cleaning the brains of the crowd.
  68. +1
    30 November 2013 01: 41
    Quote: Cristall
    together is always easier. We waved it away at 41-45 together, now we would not have waved it in any way.
    In general, the word absorption is incomprehensible, it is difficult to absorb a large territory, it will still retain its flavor .. as Ukraine would prove this.
    Better mutually beneficial merger / cooperation without political boundaries

    Unfortunately, it is mainly the Westerners and Bendera people who show the color; compared to their background, the rest are inaudible. I myself am half Ukrainian, but for me the European Union (not the peoples, but the leadership and their sycophants) is the enemy and will remain the enemy, and I simply feel sorry for those who don’t understand this in Ukraine, Belarus or Russia. It’s just that those who stand on the Maidan have neither the mind nor conscience and most importantly national pride! They are simply selling themselves for nothing, we went through all this under Boriska and Mechenny. The maximum is that they will receive a work permit, and then no further than Poland. At least they would read what they want to sign.
  69. +2
    30 November 2013 01: 42
    I think so. Today I can have a drink.. drinks First they defended Syria... And most importantly, Ukraine! gay Europe is wiping... Now the Slavs all of us need to work! Raise industry... enough revolutions...! And we’ll sort it out with the authorities if anything happens..! PROLETARIAN OF ALL COUNTRIES UNITE..! A very relevant slogan..
  70. +1
    30 November 2013 01: 58
    PS. We destroyed the USSR to the joyful cries of the same Maidans. It may not be an ideal state, but it is much fairer. And the signing of such documents from the point of view of fraternal peoples is dishonest, and if we take capitalism, it is not beneficial for Russia.
  71. Sadikoff
    0
    30 November 2013 02: 00
    The issue of European integration of Ukraine is closed completely and irrevocably. Before the next meeting, a lot of events will happen that are unpleasant for both the United States and Europe, primarily economic ones. And Ukraine will not waste time chewing snot about two stools - Putin will no longer write this down, question stood either-or.
  72. EdwardTich68
    0
    30 November 2013 03: 21
    The main thing is not to become a limited martinet, the main thing is to remain yourself, i.e. a thinking person. During the Spanish Civil War, even senior officers-instructors
    They considered it their duty to carry out bayonet attacks; they still have this from the civilian era.
    These were warriors; looking at the modern officers, and even more so the generals, I wonder how the earth carries them at all. smile
  73. 0
    30 November 2013 03: 25
    Quote: Felix200970
    And what? Quite a normal desire. Just the fulfillment of this desire is astonishing.
    And who is responsible for making our wishes come true? That's right - Gazprom!
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  76. +1
    30 November 2013 04: 14
    Everything is logical: the Germans created Ukraine as a state, and they are liquidating it! Oats... Sorry, black soil is not cheap these days, sir.
  77. +1
    30 November 2013 07: 34
    Looking at the current Maidan in Kyiv, you are convinced that this whole turmoil was stirred up by the Ukrainian intelligentsia, instigated, of course, from the West. But she is the main driving force. The intelligentsia, both Russian and Ukrainian, is full of all sorts of unrealizable illusions. They say we will get into the EU and paradise and prosperity will come, of course, just like that. Each of them thinks something like this: “Ukraine needs to join the European Union and then I will start getting good money.” And now I will tell you about the most important difference between a European and a Ukrainian: a European is, first of all, a PROFESSIONAL, and a Ukrainian is, first of all, someone’s godfather, matchmaker, nephew, son-in-law or son. Professionals in all fields are dying out like mammoths and their places are being taken by amateurs, recruited through connections. In Europe, they are used to paying for professionalism, and not just for being in a position. The European-oriented Ukrainian historian shouts at every corner that corruption must be defeated, while forgetting that nepotism is one of the forms of corruption. If Ukraine had joined the European Union, then the same thing would have happened to all the humanities described above as happened to the army of engineers during the collapse of the USSR. The market quickly puts everything in its place and Mazepa’s biographers in Europe would only be good for cleaning toilets.
  78. +4
    30 November 2013 08: 07
    Енсpensioner (5)
    Attic! And where are the finnish butter? They are definitely there! I have them in Kovdor of the Murmansk region. collected. There, Finland is visible from the hotel window ...

    Damn, the earth is round, last year I spent 6 months in Kovdor on a business trip from June to November, I also lived in a hotel on Lenina 13, we worked for Kolsk-Service, they restored a workshop at Eurochem after a fire.
  79. +4
    30 November 2013 08: 41
    Well, the details of the bargaining between Yanukovych and the EU leaders at the summit in Vilnius have become known. Arriving in Vilnius, the Ukrainian president announced what he wanted from the European Union in exchange for an association agreement. In addition to lifting restrictions on Ukrainian exports, Europe’s refusal to supply Russian gas bypassing Ukraine, and financing the modernization of the Ukrainian gas transportation system, Viktor Fedorovich really wants money. He expects to receive 160 billion rubles from the EU by 2017, and on top of that, he demands from Brussels guarantees of “Ukraine’s energy independence” - that is, to guarantee that the leadership of the European Union will force Moscow to refuse to increase gas prices. The list is impressive, but Yanukovych could put it into one phrase by demanding that the EU build communism in Ukraine by 2017.
  80. 0
    30 November 2013 09: 16
    There is no need to simplify the problem of Ukraine’s accession or non-entry into the EEC, everything is much more complicated and the roots need to be sought far beyond the ocean. The USA is stubbornly trying to maintain its dominance and strengthening the EEC for them it’s like a sickle in ----, I think they are also not happy with the attempts Ukraine’s accession to any of the parties. The EEC, in turn, sees in Ukraine’s accession a solution to its problems, in particular relations with Russia. The EEC’s policy today is aimed at putting pressure on Russia by any means, so Ukraine will come in handy! And if trilateral negotiations begin, then a lot what will come out, and the Europeans don’t want this.
  81. 0
    30 November 2013 09: 16
    There is no need to simplify the problem of Ukraine’s accession or non-entry into the EEC, everything is much more complicated and the roots need to be sought far beyond the ocean. The USA is stubbornly trying to maintain its dominance and strengthening the EEC for them it’s like a sickle in ----, I think they are also not happy with the attempts Ukraine’s accession to any of the parties. The EEC, in turn, sees in Ukraine’s accession a solution to its problems, in particular relations with Russia. The EEC’s policy today is aimed at putting pressure on Russia by any means, so Ukraine will come in handy! And if trilateral negotiations begin, then a lot what will come out, and the Europeans don’t want this.
  82. +3
    30 November 2013 09: 26
    Quote: Sour
    Only Ukraine does not draw on a donor.
    Not certainly in that way.
    “Donation” here is not direct and certainly not voluntary.
    To make a profit, a capitalist needs to sell his goods, that is, he needs a sales market. Ukraine is a tasty morsel in this sense. To bomb the local industry, there is a killer argument: “Guys, why do you need to do something yourself, it’s not profitable! Buy from us - the quality is higher and the price is lower! There’s nothing to it? The industry has stopped and there are no salaries? So we’ll give you "We'll give consumer loans! And the percentage is small. There's nothing to pay off debts with? But over there you have a very decent piece of land, and that little factory over there will also be useful to us. And in our army there aren't enough soldiers and there's no one to clean the toilets."
    And thus the whole country is getting its hands on it, essentially, just for the food.
    All these mechanisms are very well described by Mikhail Khazin on the worldcrisis*ru website.
    Only Svidomo are jaded to read such nonsense, especially when stupid Europeans, out of the kindness of their hearts, offer pure freebies. laughing
  83. +1
    30 November 2013 09: 26
    Quote: Sour
    Only Ukraine does not draw on a donor.
    Not certainly in that way.
    “Donation” here is not direct and certainly not voluntary.
    To make a profit, a capitalist needs to sell his goods, that is, he needs a sales market. Ukraine is a tasty morsel in this sense. To bomb the local industry, there is a killer argument: “Guys, why do you need to do something yourself, it’s not profitable! Buy from us - the quality is higher and the price is lower! There’s nothing to it? The industry has stopped and there are no salaries? So we’ll give you "We'll give consumer loans! And the percentage is small. There's nothing to pay off debts with? But over there you have a very decent piece of land, and that little factory over there will also be useful to us. And in our army there aren't enough soldiers and there's no one to clean the toilets."
    And thus the whole country is getting its hands on it, essentially, just for the food.
    All these mechanisms are very well described by Mikhail Khazin on the worldcrisis*ru website.
    Only Svidomo are jaded to read such nonsense, especially when stupid Europeans, out of the kindness of their hearts, offer pure freebies. laughing
    1. 0
      30 November 2013 10: 59
      Quote: Private
      All these mechanisms are very well described by Mikhail Khazin on the worldcrisis*ru website.

      I have no deep respect for Khazin, I consider him a professional alarmist and trash talker. I have already provided a list of his unfulfilled predictions on this forum, with all the links. The list is quite long.
      Well, I don’t really mind the rest.
  84. +2
    30 November 2013 11: 15
    Barrogoso and Grybauskaife - the carrot and the stick - did not break the persistent Yanyk! Here many argue that Yanukovych has nothing in common with Ukraine except the love of money. I don’t know enough about the subject to argue with them, but I want to note that the other two above-mentioned characters are connected with Ukraine only by hatred of it. And love is always stronger than hate.
  85. +1
    30 November 2013 11: 15
    Baragoza and Grybauskaife - the carrot and the stick - did not break the persistent Yanyk! Here many argue that Yanukovych has nothing in common with Ukraine except the love of money. I don’t know enough about the subject to argue with them, but I want to note that the other two above-mentioned characters are connected with Ukraine only by hatred of it. And love is always stronger than hate.
  86. 0
    30 November 2013 12: 26
    For some reason, the site makes 2 posts instead of one after “accept corrections”. Maybe I'm doing something wrong?
  87. 0
    30 November 2013 12: 26
    For some reason the site is posting 2 posts instead of one. Maybe I'm doing something wrong?
  88. 0
    2 December 2013 00: 15
    Still, well done Vitek. The boy said it, the boy did it! Fuck you, not the association with the EU!
    Although I was disappointed in Yanukovych, because he deceived his voters and did not fulfill a single election promise, but after this summit I respected him a little. It is clear that it is difficult to refuseFrom 160 billion, which they still won’t give. But he showed that Ukraine is not a puppet. Of course, this is not enough to boost the economy. Now we need to integrate into the Customs Union, as the communists demand. And no matter what anyone says, there are still more supporters of the Customs Union than those who want to become a doormat on the threshold of the EU.
    It is clear that this association was beneficial only to the EU. And Yanukovych wanted to get billions from them, and they gave him a blow in purely Ukrainian style. It's a shame that so much time and money was spent on this European integration. It's time, Vitya, to come to your senses. Not signing the association is good, but there is still a lot of work to do. Now ask to join the TS as soon as possible and improve the economy. http://vklopkov.livejournal.com/198395.html
  89. 0
    2 December 2013 00: 15
    Still, well done Vitek. The boy said it, the boy did it! Fuck you, not the association with the EU!
    Although I was disappointed in Yanukovych, because he deceived his voters and did not fulfill a single election promise, but after this summit I respected him a little. It is clear that it is difficult to refuseFrom 160 billion, which they still won’t give. But he showed that Ukraine is not a puppet. Of course, this is not enough to boost the economy. Now we need to integrate into the Customs Union, as the communists demand. And no matter what anyone says, there are still more supporters of the Customs Union than those who want to become a doormat on the threshold of the EU.
    It is clear that this association was beneficial only to the EU. And Yanukovych wanted to get billions from them, and they gave him a blow in purely Ukrainian style. It's a shame that so much time and money was spent on this European integration. It's time, Vitya, to come to your senses. Not signing the association is good, but there is still a lot of work to do. Now ask to join the TS as soon as possible and improve the economy. http://vklopkov.livejournal.com/198395.html
  90. +1
    2 December 2013 09: 22
    Well, have you seen how civilized your Western friends are: did you see who was on the Maidan yesterday, that even now it’s unclear who benefits from this and really needs it? Eh, you, our stupid brothers, you are being used and will once again be thrown into the trash heap when you are no longer needed .You at least get acquainted with the requirements of the EEC for Ukraine, the main thing is what they want to get without investing a cent. Think about the millions of pensioners (who will be left without pensions), the reduction of social programs and, ultimately, the economic collapse of your Nenka Ukraine. And protest according to -Start in Europe after you find out who is opposing what there.
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  92. kelevra
    0
    13 December 2013 14: 13
    In my opinion, it is quite logical that sooner or later, any union falls apart, especially if one of the countries in it (like Germany, for example, in the EU) tries to dominate!