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"The EU is on the verge of the biggest failure"

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"The EU is on the verge of the biggest failure"“The European Union has missed it - Ukraine literally floats away from the hands, like fish from a net, into which it was almost caught,” State Duma deputy Alexei Pushkov told the VZGLYAD newspaper. He does not exclude that the West will be forced to change its position and still agree to trilateral talks with the participation of Moscow and Kiev around the association agreement between Ukraine and the EU.


The West on Wednesday openly declared the fallacy of its policy towards Ukraine. Thus, Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski admitted that Brussels made a mistake in assessing problems in relations between the EU and Ukraine, but said that this “problem is the policy of onslaught and blackmail that its eastern neighbor applied to Ukraine”.

Komorowski is confident: "At present, the firm position of President Putin increases the chances of formulating the monolithic position of the EU countries and solidarity actions in favor of Ukraine."

At the same time, the predecessor of Komorowski, the ex-president of Poland, and now the EU representative at the talks with Ukraine, Aleksander Kwasniewski, once again called for the material interest of Kiev. “Our proposal should be an intelligible proposal for short-term assistance for Ukraine,” said Kwasniewski. According to the negotiator, the money for Ukraine is “more than 10, maybe 20 billion euros is an acceptable amount for the EU, which gave Greece much more - hundreds of billions of euros”. Kwasniewski, quoted by the Kiev version of Versions, claims that “the European Union did not give up in the cause of Ukraine and was looking for a“ plan B ”.

Meanwhile, the positions of Kiev and Moscow on the association agreement between Ukraine and the European Union coincided: the EU-Ukraine-Russia tripartite negotiations must precede the signing of any agreements with Brussels. On Wednesday, the President of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, spoke again about this variant as the optimal one. On the eve of his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin also called for "agree with the proposal of President Yanukovych and in a trilateral format, properly and thoroughly discuss all these topics."

Alexey Pushkov (United Russia), the head of the Duma’s international affairs committee, told Europeans why the European commissioners are still stubbornly unwilling to allow Russia to the negotiating table.

VIEW: What, from your point of view, explains the persistent refusal of Brussels to call "to discuss all three"? What is there to fear?

Alexey Pushkov: From the very beginning, the European Union considered the Eastern Partnership and the prospect of association with Ukraine as a geopolitical project. The task was not to allow Russia into this process. We are here - absolutely unwanted member. After all, in fact, the essence of this geopolitical project is to separate Ukraine from Russia, to include Ukraine in the zone of economic and political influence of the EU.

The task is not to resolve some controversial issues with Russia, but to prevent Russia from negotiating. This is the meaning of the unprecedented pressure to which the European Union is subject to Kiev.

The EU is now on the verge of the largest geopolitical failure in the last 15 – 20 years. Naturally, Brussels blames Russia above all. Therefore, for the most part, they do not want tripartite negotiations, they are making desperate efforts, trying to convince Ukraine at the last moment to reconsider and sign the agreement.

VIEW: The EU’s envoy in Moscow, former Lithuanian Foreign Minister Vygaudas Usackas, was the last to refuse the tripartite format. But maybe diplomats are not from the Baltic states, but from among the “old members” of the European Union, a more balanced position?

A. P.: Earlier, Stefan Füle, European Commissioner for Enlargement and Neighborhood Policy, and Elmar Brok, head of the European Parliament’s committee on international affairs, have already spoken with such a position. The latter, as is known, said that Ukraine refused to integrate with the EU under pressure from Russia.

There are European politicians who think broader than the figures I listed above. In particular, German Chancellor Angela Merkel suddenly announced that negotiations should be held with Vladimir Putin on this topic.

But I suspect that when representatives of the European Union talk about agreement on negotiations with Russia, they just want to achieve a change in the Russian position. Not to achieve some kind of coordination of interests, but to try at the last moment to influence Moscow - just as they are trying to influence Kiev. So far, there is no other “message” from the EU at these possible talks.

VIEW: Can the latest promises made by an observer from the monitoring mission of the European Parliament, the ex-president of Poland Alexander Kwasniewski, that the EU is already urgently preparing an economic aid package for Ukraine, can affect the position of Kiev? Previously, they have already removed their demands for the release of Yulia Tymoshenko ...

A. P.: Promises that the EU is now ready to make are unlikely to have a decisive impact. Although, of course, there is still time before the summit ...

The European Union hoped to get Ukraine’s consent to the association, solely putting forward its own demands (judicial reform, extradition of Yulia Tymoshenko) and in fact offering nothing in return. I did not want to bear any serious obligations of the financial, economic plan of the EU. And when the leaders of Ukraine decided that they would gain and that they would lose, they realized that they would lose a lot and gain very little.

In addition, Kiev was demanded to fulfill the conditions of a political nature, which, strictly speaking, have no relation to economic cooperation. Now the European Union has missed it - Ukraine literally floats away from her hands, like fish from a net, into which she was almost caught. At the last moment they are trying to save the already almost failed project.

It would be extremely strange if Yanukovych now changed his mind again and still signed the agreement. This, firstly, would mean that he is being led by the opposition, and secondly, he would completely disavow his decision taken last week. It seems to me that the leadership of Ukraine has definitely stated that today it is not ready for an agreement.

Just today, Yanukovych compared the association with the European Union with a loop - and said that he would not like Ukraine to climb into this loop. So to say, with such associations, an association agreement can hardly be signed.

VIEW: How do you assess the appearance on the US White House site of a petition demanding to declare Viktor Yanukovich and Ukrainian ministers persona non grata? What is the level of thinking of the authors of such a petition? After all, refusal to sign an agreement is not a crime ...

A. P.: The content of the petition proposed for consideration by the administration of Barack Obama is absolutely absurd. Regarding the seriousness of this appeal, I would like to note that a variety of petitions are appearing on the website of the US President, up to and including appeals to “make public the truth about John Kennedy’s murder.” As you understand, nobody is going to carry out this petition. I note that she did not even get a tenth of the necessary votes - 1 thousand signatures with the necessary 100 thousand.

The authors, as is known, demand sanctions against Yanukovych for the fact that he made a political decision to temporarily refuse association with the EU. I rule out that the Obama administration will meet this absurd demand - even the United States does not apply sanctions in response to purely political decisions.

Sanctions need to be justified either by legal, or moral and ethical aspects, or by suspicions of something criminal. In this case, I repeat, we are talking about a purely political issue, about the sovereign choice of Ukraine as an independent state, about the decision that was made by the president, lawfully elected by a majority of Ukrainians. The US administration can consider this petition as nothing more than a curiosity containing absolutely impossible requirements.
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  1. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 15: 04
    68
    I like Pushkov, his postscript program is interesting, differs from the rest of the media chewing gum.
    1. major071
      major071 29 November 2013 15: 33
      43
      Pushkov, unlike many of our politicians, does not lie westward, but always stands on the side of Russia. IMHO. good And I like the script too. hi
      1. Polovec
        Polovec 29 November 2013 16: 06
        54
        The complete nonsense! Do you accept the bargaining of Ukraine for victory? And they don’t hide what they want in association with the EU on the terms that will suit them! As a result, the position on Tymoshenko’s release has already been removed from the agenda. There is a bargain on the allocation of loans. The EU wanted to buy Ukraine on the cheap, and Yanukovych called the price that suits him. Russia in this bargaining acts as a bugbear.
        Victory would be if Ukraine joined the CU. And now there is a search for compromises (negotiations in the format of Ukraine-EU-RF to which result should result in your result?)
        In short, only one thing is clear - that nothing is clear.
        Furthermore! I think that the statement of the EU representative that signing the treaty is possible under another president, in a certain context sounds like a threat. And it looks like this threat Yanukovych heard.
        Today it is difficult for Russia to offer something extra to Ukraine. Yes, and it will be useless. But common sense, when two-thirds of a country (Ukraine) wants to join the EU, does not work.
        No victory for today! Pushkov likes me, but he often just posits a situation! We do not need spells now, but the rise of the industrial sector!
        P.S. Judging by the news of the Serdyukov case, we will fight with corruption as fiercely as before, and we will not have to talk about any economic breakthrough in the near future ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 16: 19
          17
          Quote: Polovec
          In short, only one thing is clear - that nothing is clear.

          Perhaps this is the only thing that is clear.
          1. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel 29 November 2013 17: 38
            -14 qualifying.
            It is clear that Putin won, betrayed Yanukovych, lost the people.
            1. Cat
              Cat 29 November 2013 17: 40
              13
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              It is clear that Putin won, betrayed Yanukovych, lost the people.

              um ... please specify: what kind of people and what exactly have you lost?
              1. Captain Vrungel
                Captain Vrungel 29 November 2013 21: 58
                +4
                Lost the Ukrainian people that have such a guarantor. Hypocrisy. cynicism and the lie of the first person of the state, deliberately tearing Ukraine apart. So blow up Ukraine with your shy and nonsense. This is what rotten tactics brought to yours and ours. Pave your ass on two toilets. What does it mean that the supreme did not serve in the army, but sat opposite. There is no honor or dignity. Remained prisoners. Kidalovo. Throw not a bastard. Urkaina once again showed. which is a zone controlled by the Yuzovskaya organized criminal group. There would be a guarantor with honor, shot himself from such contempt and shame. To this, even pee in the eye, he will say that God's dew.
                1. VARCHUN
                  VARCHUN 30 November 2013 01: 17
                  11
                  Speak for the guarantor, to hell with him, but don’t speak for the whole nation, first you need to live in Ukraine, and then PI *** for this country. I myself live in Makkeevka in the Donbas and I know that not everyone wants the EU, but there are ducks but most are wise for the vehicle, so don’t say you don’t know. No.
                  1. sapran
                    sapran 30 November 2013 01: 31
                    -7
                    And I thought everyone from Makeyevka had already been taken away, here in Kiev there are not enough "watchers" out there to run to the Maidan not to work for the good of the family ...
                    1. Corsair
                      Corsair 30 November 2013 08: 32
                      +9
                      Quote: sapran
                      And I thought everyone from Makeyevka had already been taken away, here in Kiev there are not enough "watchers" out there to run to the Maidan not to work for the good of the family ...

                      Have you been in Makeyevka for a long time? People there are really laborers, trying in spite of everything to provide their families. And they simply have no time to be "overseers" on the unbridled Maidans.
                      Graze your rams brought from all over Ukraine yourself, and even better (and more correctly), entrust this matter to law enforcement authorities ...
                      1. alex13-61
                        alex13-61 30 November 2013 10: 23
                        +4
                        Quote: Corsair
                        , and even better (and more correctly), entrust this matter to law enforcement authorities ...

                        So they (law enforcement officers) successfully coped with their task at 4.00 (in Kiev) cleared the Maidan ...
                        As I understand it, Yanukovych made his choice in favor of the TS ... Personally, I am happy.
                      2. Poppy
                        Poppy 2 December 2013 12: 23
                        +2
                        he made no choice, he will try to maneuver between the two forces and bargain for himself more, this time
                        and second: if Ukraine is not allowed into the EU, then it will not feel the "charm" of being there, and will continue to believe that Russia "did not let them into a brighter future."
                    2. Alekseev
                      Alekseev 30 November 2013 14: 06
                      +2
                      Quote: Corsair
                      Graze your rams brought from all over Ukraine yourself, and even better (and more correctly), entrust this matter to law enforcement authorities ...

                      Absolutely accurate definition! good
                      In general, all the troubles in Ukraine come from pride, not for nothing mortal sin. lol
                      In Russia, they say the manners are rude, Putin is a villain, he didn’t even give fag to the fag.
                      And we, we are advanced, Ukraine-tse Europe! Whether it's in the geyrop! There is freedom, and they wait not to wait for the Ukrainian unemployed to wash their pots. As if the Araps and Turks with Poles and Balts are dumb.
                      The truth is about ... if everything is over 20 years of independence, but Putin is to blame. laughing
                      Of course, not everyone in Ukraine mows under the New Europeans.
                      But, unfortunately, a spoon of tar spoils a barrel of honey.
                    3. rodevaan
                      rodevaan 30 November 2013 15: 19
                      +3
                      Quote: Corsair
                      Quote: sapran
                      And I thought everyone from Makeyevka had already been taken away, here in Kiev there are not enough "watchers" out there to run to the Maidan not to work for the good of the family ...

                      Have you been in Makeyevka for a long time? People there are really laborers, trying in spite of everything to provide their families. And they simply have no time to be "overseers" on the unbridled Maidans.
                      Graze your rams brought from all over Ukraine yourself, and even better (and more correctly), entrust this matter to law enforcement authorities ...


                      - I go there every year, I have relatives there. The situation is depressing, they haven’t gotten out since the 90s, alas: ((The city is desolate, there are almost no young people, all my childhood friends went there somewhere, some to Russia to work, some to Donetsk, some nearby, some to Kiev or to Geyropastan ... The last time I was there last year, there’s a mess, my native village Osipenko, who was very big before, you’re walking down the street now, the house through the house is an empty area. It’s sad. Not the Makeevka that was once earlier, under the Union. The metallurgical and coke plants operate at 10%, this is the best case. The mines barely eke out a miserable existence ... The authorities steal. As thief Vasya Dzharty was mayor there, nothing has changed since then. And end to end this the lawlessness of power is not visible there. We are at least somehow scrambling out. But Ukraine is still stagnant. It is being pulled in different directions, and the government is stealing scary. I don’t know, the simple people are tired of indignation, many just waved their hands, they live as they live and how they will ..
                    4. sasha.28blaga
                      sasha.28blaga 2 December 2013 06: 08
                      +1
                      Generally did not understand the above correspondence of the three members of the forum. Is it really so bad in Ukraine that they are ready to cling to each other with a dead grip. What people need to be brought to hate each other. Why the EU, the CU, live yourselves, form alliances yourself, is there really not enough mind for this?
                2. rodevaan
                  rodevaan 30 November 2013 15: 13
                  0
                  OOOOOOOOO !! What kind of people, and even where from! Big greetings to my small Motherland, from the Far East - to whom I travel every year in the summer! :))

                  Eh, not the same Makeevka that was before, but I still love to come there. My parents are from there, grandparents live there.

                  Where do you live? On Osipenko? On Trubnoy? TsPKO North Park?
            2. goldfinger
              goldfinger 29 November 2013 22: 07
              -10 qualifying.
              Quote: Cat
              um ... please specify: what kind of people and what exactly have you lost?

              Neighbor Belarus.
              If Russia pays, thieving courts, gangster law enforcement officers, wretched laws for business will remain in Ukraine. But there will be some money, which, however, will quickly plundered. Everything is like in Great Russia. And the lack of prospects for change. Having entered Europe, one will have to seriously deal with the work of state institutions. This is a serious job. Is Yanukovych ready for her and capable of her?
              1. dmitrich
                dmitrich 30 November 2013 04: 57
                0
                how you talkers are fed up.
        2. atalef
          atalef 29 November 2013 21: 51
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Polovec
          In short, only one thing is clear - that nothing is clear.

          Perhaps this is the only thing that is clear.

          Yes, the question is interesting, but it seems Yanukovych broke
      2. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 29 November 2013 16: 43
        20
        The victory will be when on the issue of integration, Russia will be at the negotiating table.
        Then Brussels will find out who, where and under what conditions will be integrated.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 17: 58
          +1
          Quote: JIaIIoTb
          The victory will be when on the issue of integration, Russia will be at the negotiating table.

          What do we do there? Discuss the selling price of Ukraine?
          1. Hitrovan07
            Hitrovan07 29 November 2013 19: 03
            +8
            In bull's eye - "sale of Ukraine" - apparently analogous to the partition of Poland in the 18th century.
            1. VARCHUN
              VARCHUN 30 November 2013 01: 19
              +7
              Ukraine is not Poland and do not say, otherwise I will start to offend although I respect neighboring Russia.
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          3. JIaIIoTb
            JIaIIoTb 29 November 2013 20: 47
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            What do we do there? Discuss the selling price of Ukraine?


            Are you the President of Russia? If you are only interested in selling, then you are in Ukraine.
            1. AVV
              AVV 29 November 2013 22: 23
              +4
              This leadership of Ukraine, in its repertoire, behaves like an auction, and exposes its country as Garn Divchin, and whoever promises more will do so, but there is a third option when Europe is tired of offering, and Russia will no longer want to take a country that is ready to betray even its centuries-old traditions, family ties that were forged in the fight against the Poles, Swedes and Germans during the Second World War. But the fact of the matter is that he knows that no matter how bad Russia was, it did not leave Ukraine to the mercy of fate, this and the dishonest ruler uses the independence. We in Russia, every second has relatives in Ukraine !!! And we do not care how the Ukrainian people live !!!
          4. Gunsmith
            Gunsmith 29 November 2013 22: 12
            +5
            And then! Yanukovych almost in plain text said exactly that - whoever gives the most will fall under that one. Hearing this in an interview, I laughed for a long time! .. That's the whole position. Both ours and yours. Type of auction. Lot - Ukraine.
            1. VARCHUN
              VARCHUN 30 November 2013 01: 21
              -7
              So why is Putin stupid, and he gave more, or did he like everything kitty.
              1. zardoz
                zardoz 30 November 2013 01: 26
                +6
                Yes, the problem is that if it gives no longer the fact that it will receive something desired for it. It may so happen that they will long and tediously beg for more, which actually has been happening for the past twenty years.
              2. Alekseev
                Alekseev 30 November 2013 13: 57
                +4
                But on ..., that is, why are you such Putin? Also pay for banderlog ...
                What rudeness, that pay, this give ... laughing
                It’s all to your hetmans, either Putin or these ones who interfere.
                Need to work! Ukraine in the USSR exceeded Poland 2 times in industry, where is everything?
          5. atalef
            atalef 29 November 2013 23: 10
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: JIaIIoTb
            The victory will be when on the issue of integration, Russia will be at the negotiating table.

            What do we do there? Discuss the selling price of Ukraine?

            Indeed, what should Russia do there?
            1. dmitrich
              dmitrich 30 November 2013 05: 01
              +2
              work, what do you do in Russia.
        2. alex-s
          alex-s 29 November 2013 18: 07
          21
          Victory will be when there will be half of Europe in the CU, and we will decide whether to accept France and England as associate members !!! yes
          1. VARCHUN
            VARCHUN 30 November 2013 01: 23
            0
            Well, you and the dreamer.
          2. Sandov
            Sandov 1 December 2013 20: 51
            +1
            Quote: alex-s
            Victory will be when there will be half of Europe in the CU, and we will decide whether to accept France and England as associate members !!! yes


            Everything goes to that. Geyrope kirdyk soon.
        3. Cherdak
          Cherdak 29 November 2013 19: 48
          +7
          Quote: JIaIIoTb
          Then Brussels will find out who, where and under what conditions will be integrated.
      3. zardoz
        zardoz 29 November 2013 17: 12
        16
        So two-thirds? I think a third is not :)
        1. Bombowoz
          Bombowoz 29 November 2013 19: 46
          0
          I agree with you
        2. ty60
          ty60 29 November 2013 22: 09
          0
          migrant workers in Russia-Transcarpathians and Magyars do not want to be in the European Union. Russia feeds them better, although the Russians are against it.
        3. ty60
          ty60 29 November 2013 22: 09
          0
          migrant workers in Russia-Transcarpathians and Magyars do not want to be in the European Union. Russia feeds them better, although the Russians are against it.
      4. Tartary
        Tartary 29 November 2013 17: 37
        18
        Quote: Polovec
        In short, only one thing is clear - that nothing is clear.


        You can judge like that, but ...

        Look at the cunning grimaces of Yanukovych’s face and Putin’s calm.

        I am sure that they played a long-tortured game, which is aimed at pushing the EU, as a system formation, to a similar abyss, to which the so-called The European project, led by Syshya, pushed the USSR in the late 80s ...

        Revenge, gentlemen, inevitable revenge ...

        ... Russians always come for their money ... "Otto von Bismarck.

        And the further the descendants of Bismarck with their neighbors begin to defame in politics with Russia, the sadder the outcome is ... I’m not talking about economic defamation yet - it goes without saying ...
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 18: 00
          +4
          Quote: Tartary
          ... Russians always come for their money ... "Otto von Bismarck.

          I'd like to hope so, but so far skepticism is winning.
          1. rodevaan
            rodevaan 1 December 2013 08: 31
            +3
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: Tartary
            ... Russians always come for their money ... "Otto von Bismarck.

            I'd like to hope so, but so far skepticism is winning.


            - But in vain do not hope. Bismarck, by the way, was the smartest guy, was perhaps one of the few foreigners who truly understood Russia and the Russian character. And this is only the trouble of all gayropstan idiots that they did not listen to him and do not listen to him ... History has repeatedly proved and showed that he turned out to be right.
        2. Polovec
          Polovec 29 November 2013 19: 39
          +4
          Would you drink honey with your mouth ...
          While honey is not, but in the mouth like a hangover.
          We need to make our country so attractive that our neighbors would fight for a Russian passport! It is necessary to work, not to trade the future! Earlier, at least "Mayak" and "Romance" were released ...
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 19: 56
            +5
            Quote: Polovec
            that the neighbors would fight for the passport of the Russian Federation!

            Even now they are fighting, mainly from the south, but there are also enough volunteers from Ukraine. hi
          2. Tartary
            Tartary 30 November 2013 19: 32
            0
            Have you edited your comment? What for?

            Initially, there was only the first line ... What excited you so much?
        3. ty60
          ty60 29 November 2013 22: 16
          0
          Respect to you! Believe Bismarck!
        4. ty60
          ty60 29 November 2013 22: 16
          0
          Respect to you! Believe Bismarck!
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        6. VARCHUN
          VARCHUN 30 November 2013 01: 26
          +4
          Note Bismarck spoke about those RUSSIANs, and not about their generation. Your generation is golemic, there is no patriotism, skinheads with a swastika in Russia, the Caucasus will soon be the native Muscovites, what kind of Russians can be talked about. I understand now they will fly, but I don’t care I am telling the truth,
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 30 November 2013 01: 32
            +7
            Quote: Varchun
            no patriotism
          2. chehywed
            chehywed 30 November 2013 02: 06
            +2
            Quote: Varchun
            Your generation is golem, there is no patriotism, skinheads with a swastika in Russia, the Caucasus will soon be indigenous Muscovites, what kind of Russians can be talked about. I understand now they will fly - but I still tell the TRUTH

            You say what you think is true, but the truth is, rather barbers satisfy themselves orally, than the Russians, and Russia will disappear.
            1. builder
              builder 30 November 2013 02: 08
              +1
              Roughly, but essentially true.
          3. PSih2097
            PSih2097 30 November 2013 06: 48
            +4
            Quote: Varchun
            .Your generation is golem, there is no patriotism,skinheads with a swastika in Russia,

            Well, at least we don’t erect monuments to the Vlasovites (Bendera’s) and their parades do not suit ...
            1. rodevaan
              rodevaan 1 December 2013 17: 15
              +2
              Quote: PSih2097
              Quote: Varchun
              .Your generation is golem, there is no patriotism,skinheads with a swastika in Russia,

              Well, at least we don’t erect monuments to the Vlasovites (Bendera’s) and their parades do not suit ...


              - Please do not confuse the sinful with the righteous! Eastern and Western Ukraine are absolutely 2 different opposing worlds, approximately like our patriots and pro-Western liberoids. I can say for Donbass myself, even though I live in Russia - the Bandera pro-fascist scum is not digested there even better than we are in Russia. And to interfere with the East of Ukraine with these pro-fascist disadvantages is an insult to eastern Ukrainians. The West has been lying all my life under Poland - their brains are the same as logs, so why be surprised? I remember once back in the 90s, agitators went from the west back in 2004 to campaign for Yusch, but they didn’t take into account the fact that the miners are harsh, simple, they don’t suffer from any liberophilia, and spit on the Westerners from a large bell tower. So there, the dundels quickly smashed these Yushchovites, and since then no pro-Western trash has been poking around in the Donbass ...
              So it is not necessary to equate all with one measure. The East also speaks Russian and thinks Russian and supports Russians and Russia. We would rather, help them, and not equate them with Bandera renegades ...
          4. Alekseev
            Alekseev 30 November 2013 14: 25
            +2
            Quote: Varchun
            .Your generation is golem, there is no patriotism

            And yours? But, of course, Natsiki came to Lviv on May 9, as one fat Ukrainian policeman stated laughing , and so all is well!
            Isn’t it better for us not to blame each other for all mortals, but to think how to live and work together in this world?
          5. I am a Russian
            I am a Russian 30 November 2013 15: 32
            +1
            Quote: Varchun
            Note Bismarck spoke about those RUSSIAN


            your patriots are few, but there are hundreds of thousands of Russians

            Quote: Varchun
            Your generation is golem, there is no patriotism


            what do you use h .. crested?
            Alex 241 brought you one of the evidence.

            Quote: Varchun
            the Caucasus will soon be the native Muscovites,

            a combination of three fingers. Put your ass in the EU and get a Euro-Ukrainian without a past and future.

            Quote: Varchun
            I understand they’ll fly now

            don’t whine ...
            1. sasha.28blaga
              sasha.28blaga 2 December 2013 06: 19
              +2
              Roughly, but in Slavic.
          6. rodevaan
            rodevaan 1 December 2013 08: 35
            +3
            Quote: Varchun
            Note Bismarck spoke about those RUSSIANs, and not about their generation. Your generation is golemic, there is no patriotism, skinheads with a swastika in Russia, the Caucasus will soon be the native Muscovites, what kind of Russians can be talked about. I understand now they will fly, but I don’t care I am telling the truth,


            - Well, fellow countryman, of course I generally agree, but in particular, not everything is so terrible and not everything is so lost. It’s too early to remove the cast. It was even worse. Now, at least somehow, albeit with a creak, though through opa, we are somehow starting to get out of that dirty hole into which the pro-Western degenerate bullshit dumped us ... We are far from the Soviet pace, but at least somehow moving. The main thing is that we do not stand still ..
          7. Tartary
            Tartary 1 December 2013 16: 45
            +1
            Quote: Varchun
            Note Bismarck spoke about those RUSSIANs, and not about their generation. Your generation is golemic, there is no patriotism, skinheads with a swastika in Russia, the Caucasus will soon be the native Muscovites, what kind of Russians can be talked about. I understand now they will fly, but I don’t care I am telling the truth,

            Are you telling the truth? Well, well ... Insidious malice emanates from your "truth" ...
            In all generations, becoming older before descendants, they used to say - what kind of generation went? Like, we weren’t like that ... and that’s not so, and this and that ...
            But over and over again the next "youth" gave on musly to the next envious, critics and grumblers))), who tried to touch the Russian people with impunity for "coconuts" ...
            So it will be this time. Prepare yourself more carefully, but all-in-one will not help ...
            1. Sandov
              Sandov 1 December 2013 21: 00
              +2
              Quote: Tartary
              In all generations, becoming older before descendants, they used to say - what kind of generation went? Like, we weren’t like that ... and that’s not so, and this and that ...
              But over and over again the next "youth" gave on musly to the next envious, critics and grumblers))), who tried to touch the Russian people with impunity for "coconuts" ...
              So it will be this time. Prepare yourself more carefully, but all-in-one will not help ...


              Yes, and NATO are preparing in full. And we need to keep the gunpowder dry so that the Taburetkins do not sell offal.
              1. Tartary
                Tartary 2 December 2013 06: 23
                +1
                Quote: Sandov
                Yes, and the NATO are preparing in full. And we need to keep the gunpowder dry so that


                Yes, we are ready, ready - only to put on boots and have time to get machine guns with zinc ...
        7. Hug
          Hug 30 November 2013 01: 33
          -4
          Do not flatter yourself, do not engage in self-deception.
        8. Sandov
          Sandov 1 December 2013 20: 54
          +1
          Quote: Tartary
          And the further the descendants of Bismarck with their neighbors begin to defame in politics with Russia, the sadder the outcome is ... I’m not talking about economic defamation yet - it goes without saying ...

          God Rogue marks. How much can you drink our blood to various ghouls.
      5. kostella85
        kostella85 29 November 2013 19: 19
        0
        I completely agree! (in a bad sense of the word) bargain for free !!!
        1. ty60
          ty60 29 November 2013 22: 19
          +1
          My friend, what is a freebie? Answer. Pliz!
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        3. ty60
          ty60 29 November 2013 22: 22
          0
          So what's a freebie?
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          2. ty60
            ty60 29 November 2013 22: 27
            0
            I did not see the answer
        4. VARCHUN
          VARCHUN 30 November 2013 01: 30
          +4
          Do you think that the TS is halva? Time is not right. Putin is not the right person to give something for free. And no one from Russia does not expect a freebie.
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      7. leha 2012
        leha 2012 29 November 2013 19: 37
        +4
        The entry of Ukraine into the Customs Union is the goal, and today's victory is a victory in the battle to achieve the goal. We always get strange, if something bad happens, then everything is bad, if something good happens, we either don’t hear it, or it’s not really good or bad at all. If Ukraine would join the association, then this is for Ukraine и it would be bad for Russia. Generally very good for Russia and Ukraine not joining an association and you need to rejoice. By the way - "The European Union declares that it will not put forward new conditions for Ukraine by association" (http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/3272846-evrosouiz-zaiavliae
        t-chto-ne-
        budet-vydvyhat-novye-uslovyia-dlia-ukrayny-po-assotsyatsyy
        1. Polovec
          Polovec 29 November 2013 21: 11
          10
          You're right! We Russians are maximalists. We only need a complete and unconditional victory! This is our misfortune, but also our pride, because for the victory we are ready to die. I am proud that I am Russian. And .. Yes, I am a maximalist and want to live in a rich and prosperous Empire, where the brothers do not bite over a piece of bread or God whom they pray.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 29 November 2013 21: 14
            +8
            Quote: Polovec
            And .. Yes, I am a maximalist and want to live in a rich and prosperous Empire, where the brothers do not bite over a piece of bread or God whom they pray.

            Join.
          2. alexdol
            alexdol 29 November 2013 21: 44
            +3
            Polovec SU "I am proud to be Russian"
            -----------------------------------------------
            You know, not one you are proud of it. Here are my lines:

            Yes, I am Russian and proud of it
            And I say that everywhere
            My mother is a great Russia
            I love her wholeheartedly!

            I invite everyone to my lit.pages on stihi.ru/avtor/alexdol and
            Litzone http://litzona.net/alexru/
          3. Sandov
            Sandov 1 December 2013 21: 03
            +3
            Quote: Polovec
            You're right! We Russians are maximalists. We only need a complete and unconditional victory! This is our misfortune, but also our pride, because for the victory we are ready to die. I am proud that I am Russian. And .. Yes, I am a maximalist and want to live in a rich and prosperous Empire, where the brothers do not bite over a piece of bread or God whom they pray.


            Here is the national idea of ​​Russia.
        2. Shuriken
          Shuriken 29 November 2013 23: 43
          +2
          Quote: leha-2012
          and today's victory is a victory in the battle to achieve the goal
          --- this is not a victory at all! Judge for yourself: in Ukraine the situation will not improve, this is clear to everyone, because from where? Russia will give, say, a loan, they will quickly eat through, some will be stolen, by definition. Then again * oops. And what there will be a groan and a cry "Now, if we were associated, we would heal ..." We need it? Especially since Janek-guznokrut will start his numbers again .... But if they entered, well, sort of, the EU (they are so they think), and Ukraine would come full of the POC - then, I think, the Euroshores would fall from the eyes of the people, they would sweep away the criminal power and without hesitation would enter Russia on equal rights, but into a single state. victory! The simple people only feel sorry for him, he has little joy from these metamorphoses.
      8. onegin61
        onegin61 29 November 2013 19: 46
        0
        Admin: engaged in verbiage and not see the obvious is not a reason to ban comments
        1. rolik
          rolik 30 November 2013 00: 50
          +1
          Quote: Onegin61
          Admin: engaged in verbiage and not see the obvious is not a reason to ban comments

          And what admin used the power ???)))) if not a secret?
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      10. Papakiko
        Papakiko 29 November 2013 19: 57
        10
        Quote: Polovec
        The complete nonsense! You accept the bargaining of Ukraine for victory

        For me personally, all this hemorrhoid looks like the proposed video. laughing
        1. rolik
          rolik 30 November 2013 00: 49
          0
          Quote: Papakiko
          For me personally, all this hemorrhoid looks like the proposed video.

          Thanks for the plot)))) laughed for a long time. good
        2. Sandov
          Sandov 1 December 2013 21: 09
          0
          Quote: Papakiko
          For me personally, all this hemorrhoid looks like the proposed video.

          Well, a joke so funny. You deserved +
      11. Alekseev
        Alekseev 29 November 2013 20: 18
        +2
        Quote: Polovec
        The complete nonsense! Do you accept the bargaining of Ukraine for victory?

        Well said too much, although essentially true.
        Yanukovych was especially disgusting when Merkel complained that he, the poor fellow, had been "one-on-one with a very strong Russia for three years."
        And you are absolutely right that
        Quote: Polovec
        Now not spells are needed, but the rise of the industrial sector!

        If there are no objective conditions, then no GDP can do anything. Russia has accumulated a little bit of strength, and it is already a completely different calico, and it is not possible to ignore it, although I really want to.
        And 2/3 of the population in Ukraine do not want to be in the EU. Not everyone there is so fucked up to scream and rush at the police, while not even reading the text of the agreement on this association.
        1. ty60
          ty60 29 November 2013 22: 39
          0
          Forgot Yanukovych-freebie is the bootleg, not free. Ukrainian language (mov)
        2. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 30 November 2013 12: 12
          0
          Do you accept the bargaining of Ukraine for victory?


          When a prostitute (the Ukrainian authorities; and Ukraine is a wonderful land) begins to bargain - this is already a definite victory on her part.
      12. Felix200970
        Felix200970 29 November 2013 20: 31
        +1
        Quote: Polovec
        And they don’t hide what they want in association with the EU on the terms that will suit them!

        And what? Quite a normal desire. Just the fulfillment of this desire is astonishing.
        Quote: Polovec
        No victory for today! We do not need spells now, but the rise of the industrial sector!

        +100500. Who needs "credits" from worthless cut paper, which, moreover, will be upset in a quiet get-together, and the citizens of Ukraine will have to slobber back out of their pockets in the form of incomprehensibly going taxes am
        Quote: Polovec
        we will fight corruption as violently as before, and we won’t have to talk about any economic breakthrough in the near future ...

        I'm afraid yes ... request
        1. VARCHUN
          VARCHUN 30 November 2013 01: 40
          -1
          At least one briefly said everything, well done.
      13. starshina78
        starshina78 29 November 2013 20: 59
        +2
        I agree with the comment Polovec! The threat expressed to Yanukovych is nothing more than the fact that the EU will support the candidate for the post of President of Ukraine who agrees to sign the agreement without any additions. They may well suit Klitschko, or someone else from the pro-Western opposition. And believe me, they will achieve it! Money will flow to the candidate, and so much dirt will pour on Yanukovych or the candidate who will be against signing an agreement with the European Union, so much dirt that you won’t get sick. And we must put up with the fact that the signing with the European Union will be! If Yanukovych does not sign it, then the newly elected President of Ukraine will not do anything here. And what this candidate will win is a fact! The EU is about to start a PR campaign - a company that even the Ukrainian dead will believe that they will feel good in the EU!
        1. zardoz
          zardoz 29 November 2013 21: 55
          +2
          In general, on this wave, Yanyk will be able to leave again. For in the East there are not so many who want to join the EU. Yanyk will again take a pro-Russian position and if there is no other candidate, the East will vote for him again.
        2. sasha.28blaga
          sasha.28blaga 2 December 2013 06: 26
          0
          It’s hard for me to imagine how a boxer can be the president of a state. This is how many blows to the head during the entire boxing career you can get. What remains of the brain, except for the hook on the right, the hook on the left.
      14. goldfinger
        goldfinger 29 November 2013 22: 01
        +4
        Quote: Polovec
        Do you accept the bargaining of Ukraine for victory?

        Neighbor Belarus.
        The European integration project of Ukraine has shamefully failed. EU officials in mourning. European taxpayers breathed a sigh of relief.
        Russian officials triumph. Russian taxpayers have not yet understood.

        Yanukovych is just handsome. He divorced everyone and everyone still owes him. They will now look after him from both sides. He had almost won the next presidential election, but still did not seem to decide which side he would give the opportunity to pay for them.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 30 November 2013 14: 10
          0
          Quote: goldfinger
          He divorced everyone and everyone still owes him.


          well done land neighbor! always komenty verified and right as always !!!!!! drinks
      15. iConst
        iConst 29 November 2013 22: 41
        +3
        Quote: Polovec
        Today it is difficult for Russia to offer something extra to Ukraine. Yes, and it will be useless. But common sense, when two-thirds of a country (Ukraine) wants to join the EU, does not work.

        Yes and no need. Eating a formula - before it gets good, it should be worse - a crisis. Like in a disease.
        Nehai slurp, as the Balts. Only those have nowhere to go. But the Ukrainians-have.
        Quote: Polovec
        P.S. Judging by the news of the Serdyukov case, we will fight with corruption as fiercely as before, and we will not have to talk about any economic breakthrough in the near future ...

        And who would doubt ... One would think he alone warmed his hands on all this ... laughing
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      17. Centuri0n
        Centuri0n 29 November 2013 22: 43
        0
        But common sense, when two-thirds of a country (Ukraine) wants to join the EU, does not work.
        Stop shaking the air with such unbelievable phrases
        1. sichevik
          sichevik 30 November 2013 00: 10
          +2
          Where such data about two-thirds of the country. A week ago I came from Zaporozhye. Almost everyone speaks out against the European Union. If western Ukraine is eager for the EU (and even then not all), then the east is not very. And the population density in eastern Ukraine is much higher than in western. So there is no need to talk about two-thirds of the population tearing into the EU. The most optimal option for Yanukovych is a referendum on joining the EU. Then everything will fall into place.
        2. VARCHUN
          VARCHUN 30 November 2013 01: 43
          -4
          What do you live in this country? ”I hooked the flag of a non-existent country and then I felt like a philosopher, Socrates.
          1. sichevik
            sichevik 30 November 2013 13: 07
            +1
            Are you talking to me, Varchun? If to me, then questions arise immediately - are we familiar with you? If not, why on you? Where is the flag of a non-existent country? And where does Socrates?
      18. pawel1961
        pawel1961 30 November 2013 00: 18
        0
        However. how smart you are. And here is a hot-point kind of your activity.
      19. DimychDV
        DimychDV 30 November 2013 07: 27
        0
        Don’t you understand one thing? No matter how much you give Ukraine now - 10, 20, 300 billion euros - all this will disappear into the pockets of politicians and their relatives, will drown in the newly created in Euro-Ukraine - Euro-Official Structures. This will bring nothing to the people !!! Unless only clericals and special services will feed the Galicians, so that at least these faithful supporters are not lost. And for the rest, either the changes will not bring EXACTLY ANYTHING, INCLUDING EUROPEAN ORDER. Or it will get worse - since Europe is not obliged to give Ukrainians work - and is not interested, they are only interested in the territory covered with a thick layer of black soil, and politicians who are ready to nod at all the initiatives of the Euro-Robbery banks and at all the creeps to move NATO towards our Oryol and Belgorod. And the local bureaucrats are not only not interested in giving people work, but they do not know how to do it, and they pay them exactly the opposite. You look at Russia, we have many factories and hydroelectric power plants, ports and agricultural firms built in 20 years? So it will be the same there. If the Ukrainians will react in the same jabby manner - Kiev and Donbass will eventually come back to us, we ourselves will somehow take away Crimea from Wahhabism that had won by that time, and Galichina - well, do not hesitate to ass Europe, until we get bored. Bored, then bargain.
        And I would advise the Crimean Slavs to sell housing and temporarily gather in strong communities until the blood poured ...
      20. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 30 November 2013 12: 15
        +1
        Do you accept the bargaining of Ukraine for victory?


        When a prostitute (Ukrainian authorities, not to be confused with Ukraine and its people) begins to bargain - this is already a definite victory on her part, which is already good.
    2. Sandov
      Sandov 1 December 2013 20: 43
      +2
      Quote: major071
      Pushkov, unlike many of our politicians, does not lie westward, but always stands on the side of Russia. IMHO. good And I like the script too. hi


      Sunset of Europe - Spengler on occasion is a good read. Geyropa in deep .ope.
      Poor ours in Ukraine do not understand this.
  2. APES
    APES 29 November 2013 15: 44
    10
    EU-Ukraine-Russia trilateral negotiations


    It smells of a pact for Brussels to stay with Lviv ......
    1. Fin
      Fin 29 November 2013 16: 10
      +9
      Quote: APES
      It smells of a pact for Brussels to stay with Lviv .....

      That would be the best way out.
      The EU, as before, decided to crank out its affairs without taking into account the interests of the Russian Federation and nothing came of it. Started turnip scratching what to do. And just need to leave Yulka in prison and make a promise 10-20 billion, and Yanyk will sign everything, he does not care about the people.
      1. zardoz
        zardoz 29 November 2013 17: 15
        +2
        Yes, the amount you named is not enough. For the restructuring of technical regulations it is necessary 160. Russia will not pay for it, Ukraine is quite too heavy ...
        1. Muadipus
          Muadipus 29 November 2013 19: 58
          +2
          so 10-20 billion is probably Yanyku, I’m not Ukraine))) if it’s only him, then enough))
    2. Airman
      Airman 29 November 2013 16: 15
      +2
      Interestingly, what will change if Russia takes part in the negotiations? Allows Ukrainians to associate with the EU and join the CU? What I doubt very much.
      1. APES
        APES 29 November 2013 16: 20
        11
        Quote: Povshnik
        Will Russia take part in the negotiations? Allows Ukrainians to associate with the EU and join the CU?


        differently:

        Russia will allow willing Ukrainians to leave for the EU, and Ukraine to reunite with Russia.

        Toko so !!!!!!!!!!
        1. Tartary
          Tartary 29 November 2013 17: 41
          +1
          Quote: APES
          Russia will allow willing Ukrainians to leave for the EU, and Ukraine to reunite with Russia.

          Quote: APES
          It smells of a pact for Brussels to stay with Lviv ......


          I cannot say with 100% certainty, but I think that Putin, as the head of the "Game", will not give up an inch of post-Soviet land.
          Maybe this will happen as a result, when Lviv, having been present in the association, will send the associators to the address known to the Slavs ...)))
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 29 November 2013 18: 27
            +2
            Quote: Tartary
            Maybe this will happen as a result, when Lviv, having been present in the association, will send the associators to the address known to the Slavs ...)))


            But actually Slavs do not live there in Lviv. And if they send the EU (which is very doubtful), then let them hang around like ram dung in an ice hole. Who needs such hemorrhoids as the Galicia district? Few problems in the Caucasus?
            1. Tartary
              Tartary 29 November 2013 18: 40
              +4
              Quote: Hudo
              then let them hang around like ram dung in an ice hole. Who needs such hemorrhoids as the Galicia district?

              Kemsku parish ?!

              Half liter?! To smithereens ?! Yes, I ... am
              1. Hudo
                Hudo 29 November 2013 18: 43
                +1
                Do not stand illusions, dear. She (Galicia) to KEMSKAYA VOLOS !!!, as from Vinnitsa to Nice.
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      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 16: 21
        +4
        Quote: Povshnik
        It is interesting, but what will change if Russia takes part in the negotiations?

        Nothing! So far, in Ukraine, nothing will change the brain for bekren.
        1. Antabka
          Antabka 29 November 2013 16: 42
          -28 qualifying.
          I am very happy for you Russians !!!! wink You have brains in place. European states have united their own currency, their own parliament, which is not mutual assistance and agrees to join countries to digest them. Let them rot well with an average salary of $ 1000 Baltic States Poland Romania. But Russia is the RICHEST country with gas, oil and gold capable of making its citizens the richest inhabitants of the Earth For some reason, it’s very nervous and sucks Ukraine’s association Well, you don’t care to you - the wise !!!! tongue
          1. APES
            APES 29 November 2013 17: 06
            10
            Quote: Antabka
            I am very

            as I understand it, you liked Alexander Romanov crying
            Quote: Antabka
            Well, you are not exactly

            Look at yourself - how beautiful and dear you are !!!
            How can we not care ?!
            1. Antabka
              Antabka 29 November 2013 17: 18
              +4
              Are you few Russian girls? repeat
              1. Fin
                Fin 29 November 2013 17: 49
                +6
                Quote: Antabka
                Are you few Russian girls? repeat

                And what is your other nationality?
                1. Antabka
                  Antabka 29 November 2013 17: 53
                  -7
                  Ukrainian lol Already interested?
                  1. alex-s
                    alex-s 29 November 2013 18: 11
                    +3
                    Is this nationality?
                    1. Antabka
                      Antabka 29 November 2013 18: 24
                      -4
                      No need to be rude. Or all Russians think that they alone live on the planet
                    2. Rusich51
                      Rusich51 2 December 2013 17: 38
                      +1
                      Swivel.
                      Malorosy, Belorosy, Velikorosy - I know there. There are no ukrov and there was not. The notions of Poles.
                  2. LENINGRADE
                    LENINGRADE 29 November 2013 23: 01
                    +2
                    this is a diagnosis!
                2. Fin
                  Fin 29 November 2013 19: 27
                  +6
                  Quote: Antabka
                  Ukrainian lol Already interested?

                  And if at the end of the 19th century you were born and lived in this territory, what nationality would you be? Even Taras Shevchenko was not him.
                  1. Antabka
                    Antabka 29 November 2013 19: 42
                    +3
                    And if I was born in the 16th century, what nationality did I have?
                  2. Cherdak
                    Cherdak 29 November 2013 20: 05
                    +5
                    Quote: Antabka
                    And if I was born in the 16th century, what nationality did I have?
                  3. Antabka
                    Antabka 29 November 2013 20: 15
                    +2
                    Witty but not original
                  4. Cherdak
                    Cherdak 29 November 2013 20: 53
                    +3
                    Quote: Antabka
                    but not original


                    Is it more original?
                  5. smersh70
                    smersh70 30 November 2013 15: 00
                    -1
                    Quote: Cherdak
                    Is it more original?

                    my friend is ashamed. because of political beliefs, this is how she treats a Slav ... if you treat her sister Slavs like that ... I wonder how you feel about representatives of other nations ... and then say ... what many people don’t want to TS ... here because of your such prejudices ..
                    .
            2. Fin
              Fin 29 November 2013 20: 25
              +4
              Quote: Antabka
              And if I was born in the 16th century, what nationality did I have?

              Nataliya! To what am I leading, that there is no such nationality. We are one people.
            3. Sandov
              Sandov 1 December 2013 21: 15
              0
              Quote: Antabka
              And if I was born in the 16th century, what nationality did I have?

              As now - Russian.
            4. Rusich51
              Rusich51 2 December 2013 17: 45
              +1
              In Russia in the 16th century you would be Russian as it should be. Do not listen to the Poles.
        2. Cherdak
          Cherdak 29 November 2013 20: 04
          +2
          Quote: Antabka
          Already interested?
          1. Antabka
            Antabka 29 November 2013 20: 17
            +4
            drinks I hope this is not a landscape for you?
          2. Cherdak
            Cherdak 29 November 2013 20: 51
            +7
            Quote: Antabka
            I hope this is not a landscape for you?
          3. Antabka
            Antabka 29 November 2013 21: 07
            -7
            Are you a communist?
          4. Cherdak
            Cherdak 29 November 2013 22: 36
            +6
            Better I'm a man!
          5. Antabka
            Antabka 29 November 2013 23: 09
            -11 qualifying.
            WHAT ARE COMMUNIST SYMBOLS?
          6. zardoz
            zardoz 29 November 2013 23: 35
            +4
            And you probably do not know how to read?
          7. Antabka
            Antabka 30 November 2013 01: 24
            -5
            And the appearance of Ilyich, by the way ....
          8. zardoz
            zardoz 30 November 2013 01: 27
            +1
            Does it bother you?
          9. Antabka
            Antabka 8 December 2013 15: 47
            0
            it bothers you !!! there are already so many minuses (I don't like it !!!) Although there is nothing offensive - I just asked
          10. zardoz
            zardoz 9 December 2013 12: 38
            0
            These symbols do not bother me, but yes you do :) You raised the question :)
  3. Shuriken
    Shuriken 29 November 2013 23: 50
    +6
    Key inscription
  4. Antabka
    Antabka 8 December 2013 15: 44
    0
    ABOUT!!!! How it affects you (everything communist) is immediately minus. Why in life do not fight for ideas :)
  5. zardoz
    zardoz 9 December 2013 12: 39
    0
    What's behind these conclusions?
  6. PSih2097
    PSih2097 30 November 2013 00: 43
    +2
    Quote: Cherdak
    Quote: Antabka
    I hope this is not a landscape for you?


    Quote: Antabka
    Are you a communist?

    Nata, give a tip ...

    In early 1922, the idea was put forward to use scout methods not among Komsomol members, but among children and the creation of a children's communist movement (DKD). I. Zhukov proposed for the new organization the name "pioneers" (borrowed from Seton-Thompson pioneering practice). Her symbols represented somewhat modified Scout symbols: a red tie (instead of green; it was already used by the Yuko people), a white (instead of green) blouse, and the Scout motto “Be ready!” and the scout’s answer to it is “Always ready!”. From scoutism in a pioneer organization, game forms of educational work with children, organization of children by groups, counselor institution, bonfire gathering, and elements of symbolism (for example, three petals of a scout badge lily in the pioneer badge replaced three fire flames, the three ends of the red pioneer tie began to mean three generations: pioneers, Komsomol members and communists). The scout call “Get Ready!” Has also survived. with a change in its focus on the struggle for the liberation of workers and peasants around the world.
  • SF93
    SF93 29 November 2013 20: 26
    +6
    Do you want to be "Europeans"? To say a Ukrainian is like a Russian, not a Russian. The Russian woman and the Ukrainian woman are not nationalities, but simply residents of a particular region.
    1. Antabka
      Antabka 29 November 2013 20: 30
      -7
      Sorry, but we can become Asian when the territory of Ukraine passes the Urals. So we live in Europe
    2. Cherdak
      Cherdak 29 November 2013 20: 55
      +8
      Quote: Antabka
      we can become Asian when the territory of Ukraine passes for the Urals
    3. Sandov
      Sandov 2 December 2013 08: 00
      +2
      Ukraine is a project of Poles. The main thing is to divide one nation and weaken it. That the West has successfully continued to do this for centuries. Slavs are systematically and ruthlessly destroyed. In Germany, 3- or 40 thousand sorb remains. Yugoslavia destroyed, started for us. The corpse also wants to pull us. Something like this Antabka.
    4. Antabka
      Antabka 6 December 2013 17: 15
      -2
      Respectfully yours, 1654 Pereyaslovskaya Rada - the annexation of Ukraine to Russia after many years of struggle with the Ylyakhs and Tatars. A question to you - Where were the Great Russians before that? Why did the mothers of Russian cities leave Kiev? By the way, the glorious city of Chernigov was a fortress and a border in those years of the Russian state. But what about the rest of Ukraine. Only in the time of Catherine the Great did the borders expand - right? An interesting question is with Lvov, which the Russian army captured only at the beginning of the 20th century from the Russians or something - since, according to your opinion, the Ukrainians do not have something of this "Lvov Russians" and now they are not delighted with this and there is nothing to blame the Poles, There are many black pages in history Ukraine and Poland are. In a sense, I share your opinion about the brotherhood of peoples
    5. Sandov
      Sandov 8 December 2013 19: 45
      0
      Russian history is distorted by the Germans in the interests of the Romanovs. All these territories were inhabited by Rusich since ancient times, autochthons as is customary in scientific terms. But the Poles had fun notably. They planted a union specifically. Therefore, through the centuries such heartburn, especially among zapadentsev.
    6. Antabka
      Antabka 9 December 2013 01: 04
      0
      Lomonosov had a different history of the Russian state, but the Romanovs worried :( So comrades live by Karamzin
  • I am a Russian
    I am a Russian 30 November 2013 15: 40
    +2
    Quote: Antabka
    Are you few Russian girls?


    Quote: Antabka
    Ukrainian lol Already interested?


    ... not an hour ...? Behave like a casting ....
  • Sandov
    Sandov 1 December 2013 21: 14
    +2
    Quote: Antabka
    Ukrainian lol Already interested?

    There has never been such a nationality. We are one people. That says it all.
    And this geyropu in the latrine.
  • shuhartred
    shuhartred 29 November 2013 17: 52
    +3
    Little, but what?
  • yur
    yur 29 November 2013 19: 54
    +3
    Our Russians have a wide soul, we all like girls!
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 29 November 2013 20: 02
      +6
      Quote: yur
      we all like girls!

      But they like beautiful ones more laughing
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 30 November 2013 16: 11
        +1
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        like more
    2. Sax
      Sax 29 November 2013 20: 03
      +2
      What about inner culture and brains?
      1. Antabka
        Antabka 29 November 2013 20: 19
        0
        Thank! otherwise I’m alone here on the Russian website to defend the interests of my country and men, for my part, have still not been seen
        1. zardoz
          zardoz 29 November 2013 21: 59
          +1
          It’s interesting what country do you advocate for?
        2. Antabka
          Antabka 29 November 2013 22: 23
          0
          Do you think there is another Ukraine?
        3. zardoz
          zardoz 29 November 2013 23: 37
          +4
          In my opinion you do not defend the interests of Ukraine and asked :)
    3. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 2 December 2013 07: 17
      +1
      How long has your country become yours?
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 29 November 2013 20: 56
    +3
    Quote: Sax
    What about inner culture and brains?
    1. Antabka
      Antabka 29 November 2013 21: 10
      +2
      I thought that the site is military !!! It seems that I went in the wrong way ... But you are all about IT
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 29 November 2013 20: 32
    0
    Well, since you are such a Ukrainian, why don’t you go to the ua-zone, to the place where they write on the mov?
    1. Antabka
      Antabka 29 November 2013 20: 49
      -2
      My company disgusts you. Sorry if I offended your national pride. So drive out because I'm Ukrainian?
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 29 November 2013 20: 51
        +6
        Quote: Antabka
        My company disgusts you. Sorry if I offended your national pride. So drive out because I'm Ukrainian?

        Yes, do not be offended ...
        And your cool profile picture ... If this is yours ... recourse
        1. Antabka
          Antabka 29 November 2013 21: 11
          +1
          I can change to another
        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 29 November 2013 21: 13
          +7
          Quote: Antabka
          I can change to another

          Why, beautiful ...?
        3. Antabka
          Antabka 29 November 2013 21: 23
          0
          Dear men, please discuss military topics - I feel uneasy
        4. shuhartred
          shuhartred 29 November 2013 22: 30
          10
          So you started first. I like it, I don't like it, I don't like it a lot. You can say you entered the barracks during the "hang up" command. What did you want? And there is only one military theme. If Ukraine is in the EU, then it is automatically in NATO, and I hardly imagine myself as an occupier in my grandmother's garden. We are one country, one people and we have common problems. In the fascist camps, we were all called Russians without making any distinctions between Ukrainians, Kazakhs, Tatars, Russians and other peoples inhabiting our country. Think about it. hi
        5. Cherdak
          Cherdak 29 November 2013 22: 39
          +6
          Quote: Antabka
          Dear men, please discuss military topics - I feel uneasy


          How do you feel about new types of camouflage coloring?
        6. Antabka
          Antabka 29 November 2013 23: 14
          +4
          I love !!! Beautiful thank you...
        7. stroporez
          stroporez 7 December 2013 10: 15
          +1
          and a trident ------ at the type of herpes ?????????????
  • rodevaan
    rodevaan 1 December 2013 17: 21
    +1
    Quote: Antabka
    My company disgusts you. Sorry if I offended your national pride. So drive out because I'm Ukrainian?


    “Don’t pay attention, comrade foolishly argued without thinking ... Alas, we also have enough fools who add oil to the discord and further division of our united people.”
  • sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 2 December 2013 07: 13
    0
    And you are not too Russian?
  • Alexei
    Alexei 29 November 2013 17: 20
    12
    Quote: APES
    How can we not care ?!

    Well, you may not, but I really do not care. Hto The second day on the site is arguing about integration with the EU ... Madame, study history, try to learn the basics of geopolitics, economics. One must think not only with heart and soul, but with some other mechanisms (for example, convolutions).
    1. Antabka
      Antabka 29 November 2013 17: 28
      +7
      Thanks for the advice. I will study repeat
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 29 November 2013 18: 21
        10
        Quote: Antabka
        Thanks for the advice. I will study

        Learning is light ... in a window ... and gas in a stove laughing
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 29 November 2013 18: 29
          14
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Learning is light
          And not learning, a little light and to work laughing
        2. I am a Russian
          I am a Russian 1 December 2013 21: 34
          0
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Learning is light ... in a window ... and gas in a stove


          ... and the gas in the stove is not stolen
    2. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 29 November 2013 18: 24
      +6
      Quote: Alexej
      Madame, study history, try to master the basics of geopolitics, economics. One must think not only with heart and soul, but also

      Armageddonych, do not spoil the girl, pushing her to ("many sorrows") she is beautiful in her virgin state in all respects. repeat
      1. Antabka
        Antabka 29 November 2013 18: 59
        10
        HOW YOU ALL ATTACK ME, I DIRECTLY LOST TO WHO TO LISTEN TO what
        1. Alexei
          Alexei 29 November 2013 19: 07
          +3
          Quote: Antabka
          HOW YOU ALL ATTACK ME, I DIRECTLY LOST TO WHO TO LISTEN TO

          Listen to your heart. There are many advisers, but your heart is one. wink
          1. Antabka
            Antabka 29 November 2013 19: 28
            10
            Disappointed with the latest developments. No political firmness on the part of the Ukrainian government towards Europe and Russia. How prostitutes (who will pay for it and lie down) worry about their chairs ..... I'm disappointed .... am
          2. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 29 November 2013 19: 41
            +4
            Quote: Antabka
            No political firmness on the part of the Ukrainian government towards Europe and Russia. How prostitutes (who will pay for it and lie down) worry about their chairs ..... I'm disappointed ....

            Yeah...
            Yanek and Co. follow the path already beaten by the girls of easy virtue ... laughing
          3. aksakal
            aksakal 29 November 2013 20: 09
            +5
            Quote: Antabka
            Disappointed with the latest developments. No political firmness on the part of the Ukrainian government towards Europe and Russia. How prostitutes (who will pay for it and lie down) worry about their chairs ..... I'm disappointed .... am

            - About times, about morals! Beautiful girls show solid masculine burrows and demand the same from male politicians who behave like
            Quote: Antabka
            prostitutes
            laughing Tell a thread to a knight in the past - you won’t believe laughing
          4. shuhartred
            shuhartred 29 November 2013 22: 32
            0
            More likely to plant a spear! am
        2. APES
          APES 29 November 2013 20: 21
          +2
          Quote: Antabka
          disappointed


          better love a good russian guy wink
        3. Antabka
          Antabka 29 November 2013 21: 00
          +6
          Thanks for the suggestion . Flattered, but so far enough of their own .... love
      2. Alexei
        Alexei 29 November 2013 21: 52
        +6
        Quote: Antabka
        . How prostitutes (who pays for it and will lie down) worry about their chairs ..... I'm disappointed ....

        Well what are you. So you can say almost about every country that broke away from the once mighty USSR. It’s not your politicians who are to blame (they simply have nowhere to go), and not ours, and not even Europe (if it wasn’t okay) ... It was just originally separation from the USSR was a mistake. It is like a person divided in parts, and then wonder why the limbs turn blue. And the limbs have already really turned blue, even if you sew right now, it is not a fact that it will take root.
      3. Antabka
        Antabka 29 November 2013 22: 04
        +6
        Who wants to revive the Soviet Union does not have a head who does not regret it does not have a heart V. PUTIN
      4. Alexei
        Alexei 29 November 2013 22: 14
        +5
        Well, as you understand, you have a heart. So explain to me, what the hell is Europe for you, because you yourself must understand that anyway you will be on the very edge of it. What has Russia done wrong to your country, and what good has Europe done to you?
        And I remember there was a power -
        The Poles and Teutons were scared.
        And every dog ​​was trembling,
        Seeing our squadrons.
      5. Antabka
        Antabka 29 November 2013 22: 33
        +1
        Farewell to the unwashed Russia, the land of lords, the land of slaves, and you are blue uniforms and you are a devoted people to them. Did you write Russian? Take a trip to Poland. I promise you will like it, and you would like to live like that, but already in Mother Russia
      6. builder
        builder 29 November 2013 22: 37
        +3
        You at least live in unwashed Russia. A little bit.
      7. Antabka
        Antabka 29 November 2013 23: 30
        +2
        I looked at a map of Russia on the Internet. Quite often the non-residential villages ... Russia has gone far from Ukraine, but only closer to the capitals, and a little to the side .... which wimp is in Ukraine and you will not find rich live?
      8. svp67
        svp67 30 November 2013 00: 29
        +7
        Quote: Antabka
        I looked at a map of Russia on the Internet. Quite often the non-residential villages ... Russia has gone far from Ukraine, but only closer to the capitals, and a little to the side .... which wimp is in Ukraine and you will not find rich live?
        Yes, BAGATO, no one has such open spaces, but beauties, and natural ones, in the forests of mushrooms and berries, in rivers, lakes and seas - fish ... You just have to see VOOCHIA, and not on the Internet. "To sniff flowers in a gas mask and make a conclusion about their smell" - agree, at least strange, but more ... You lady, I won't say anything about this.
      9. Antabka
        Antabka 30 November 2013 01: 06
        +6
        Yes, there are no hunters for such wealth, but from there crowds go to Moscow for money. Come down to earth. Who needs your beauty? Bread and circuses and half of Russia have come to Moscow
      10. Alex 241
        Alex 241 30 November 2013 01: 07
        +5
        The reference word is money!
      11. zardoz
        zardoz 30 November 2013 01: 16
        +5
        I did not know that 70 million Russians live in Moscow.
        Quote: Antabka
        Yes, there are no hunters for such wealth

        What makes you think that no? My mom, my sister and her husband went to Karelia this August as tourists. There are no relatives there. They really enjoyed it. They are going to repeat the trip next year.
      12. Antabka
        Antabka 30 November 2013 01: 27
        +5
        Nice to read :) I also left the city with my family
      13. zardoz
        zardoz 30 November 2013 02: 15
        +1
        Do you even understand the meaning of my comment?
      14. Antabka
        Antabka 30 November 2013 02: 38
        +2
        I understood In addition to your relatives, there is no one to go to the province to name wink
      15. zardoz
        zardoz 30 November 2013 11: 47
        +1
        There are a lot of people eager to go :) I gave mine as an example that there are those about whom you wrote about their absence. And there are quite a lot of tourists there, and even with cars with EU numbers they are often found
  • zardoz
    zardoz 30 November 2013 00: 44
    +3
    And the fact that 140 million people live on such a vast territory doesn’t tell you anything?
  • svp67
    svp67 30 November 2013 01: 06
    +3
    Quote: zardoz
    And the fact that 140 million people live on such a vast territory doesn’t tell you anything?
    It says a lot, but this is our misfortune and problem, we don’t blame her for you.
  • zardoz
    zardoz 30 November 2013 01: 17
    +1
    Yes, I wrote this to a very smart girl
  • Russ69
    Russ69 30 November 2013 01: 45
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    but this is our misfortune and problem,
    Well, which side to look at ... smile
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 30 November 2013 14: 16
    0
    Quote: Antabka
    Quite often non-residential villages ...

    Why are people in the villages now? Spoil ecology?
    My dear, my grandfather said that in their village in the spring it turned out to plow 400 people.
    Now two Kirovets or John Deere open a whole agricultural area. Is the rural population falling, or is it growing in the geyrop?
  • stroporez
    stroporez 7 December 2013 10: 24
    0
    Moscow is by no means all of Russia, just like Galicia is not all of Ukraine. And at the expense of the wilderness ---- Yamal - how much further, but nicho lives, is being built. and by the way, local television regularly broadcasts in the "Ukrainian" language. and there are almost no interethnic graters .... so bad you looked at the map ......
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 29 November 2013 22: 43
    +5
    Quote: Antabka
    Take a trip to Poland


    The first time I got there at the age of 14, then I drifted regularly.

    It was interesting at first, and then too boring. Dull, dirty, drunk and a lot of incomprehensible ambition.
  • Alexei
    Alexei 29 November 2013 22: 49
    +6
    Quote: Antabka
    Take a trip to Poland. I promise you will like it, and you would like to live like that, but already in Mother Russia

    Seriously? And what is there, go to a football match, or can stand at the Russian embassy? You know, when I was 9-10 years old, I bothered my mother with my whimpering "it is so good there, it is beautiful and warm there, everyone is smiling ..." Do you know how my mother got my brain right? Yes, she told an anecdote, in which there was all the exhaustive morality "never confuse tourism with emigration" ... I chugged what was what even then, and I advise you to really assess the situation.
  • Antabka
    Antabka 29 November 2013 23: 34
    +2
    If Russia introduced prices for alcohol and tobacco, such as in Poland, Putin would have chalked up public gardens in the morning. The Russian mysterious soul ,,,,
  • old rocket man
    old rocket man 29 November 2013 23: 41
    +1
    Quote: Antabka
    If Russia introduced prices for alcohol and tobacco, such as in Poland, Putin would have chalked up public gardens in the morning. The Russian mysterious soul ,,,,

    Plus, the first reasonable words
  • svp67
    svp67 30 November 2013 00: 31
    +1
    Quote: Antabka
    Take a trip to Poland.
    We often go there on business, so what's so special. There is enough of both + and -, and in the end - "The same ...., only the view from the side" and the space they have is not the same ..
  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 30 November 2013 00: 48
    +9
    Quote: Antabka
    Farewell to the unwashed Russia, the land of lords, the land of slaves, and you are blue uniforms and you are a devoted people to them. Did you write Russian? Take a trip to Poland . I promise you will like it, and you would like to live like that, but already in Mother Russia

    And why not to Germany, to France or the same Great British to the Turks, Albanians with Arabs and blacks to stare at during prayer ???
    To be honest, this whole Europe and I didn’t give up ... the epic of getting a friend from a brothel, a Ukrainian woman from the Cherkasy region, was enough ...
  • Sandov
    Sandov 2 December 2013 08: 08
    +1
    Quote: Antabka
    Farewell to the unwashed Russia, the land of lords, the land of slaves, and you are blue uniforms and you are a devoted people to them. Did you write Russian? Take a trip to Poland. I promise you will like it, and you would like to live like that, but already in Mother Russia

    The Russian will never like this gayrope crap.
  • shuhartred
    shuhartred 29 November 2013 22: 34
    +2
    Violently plus !!!!! soldier
  • Antabka
    Antabka 29 November 2013 23: 47
    -9
    As I understand it --- glorify Russia --- Putin ---- the Russian way of life --- and in general everything Russian --- and you will not be held in high esteem with general epaulettes, it will take about five years to start hanging up and anyway why do you need an army with in your Russian spirit, if you need with axes and shovels and pitchforks in two weeks, you’ll wash all of Europe with blood and wash footcloths in the Bay of Biscay with your rudeness and drunk to sit you in your impassable taiga and scare the bears. God cited the chance to ride in the reserved seat with YOUR guest-workers until the car was on the ears before reaching Bryansk. And in Turkey, yes you can see a mile away. There is in Europe and I can’t hide the bad, but I can’t compare it with Russia. Where would you like to look at the unwashed Russia or the cultural west.
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 29 November 2013 23: 53
    +9
    Yes ma'am, carries you somewhere without a rudder and sails.
  • zardoz
    zardoz 29 November 2013 23: 56
    +3
    And you are not visible in Turkey?
  • builder
    builder 29 November 2013 23: 58
    +4
    So she showed her true face. A sort of troll of a new formation. You on other sites - Bender (and you will be happy - pour mud on everything Russian and
    you will be with general shoulder straps

    dissent
    implies the presence of at least some thoughts. And here you show good knowledge of agitation.
  • Antabka
    Antabka 30 November 2013 00: 26
    +1
    My face is on av ... I like it or not I like to solve it. It happens in different ways. I'm a half-breed. Mother was born under Arzamas father is Ukrainian. She herself was born in Minsk. All my life I lived in Chernigov. I speak Ukrainian and Russian. But to the bones I consider myself a Ukrainian, I have seen enough of the Russians. I visit relatives in Minsk quite differently. They come with us. And no one calls me Bender. But I’ll say openly if someone snoops with evil force into my native Chernigov, whether it’s a Russian Chechen or a Georgian, I won’t look at nationality, I’ll take a rifle and go shoot, believe me, I’m doing it very well. If I die, it’s not like a driven mongrel. And children can remember
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 30 November 2013 00: 36
    +9
    Quote: Antabka
    I don’t look at the nationality of a Russian Chechen or Georgians, I’ll take a rifle and go shoot, believe me, I’m doing it very well. If I die, it’s not like a driven mongrel. And children can remember
    And the husband will bring cartridges? And you bring up children in the same spirit?
  • Antabka
    Antabka 30 November 2013 01: 11
    -1
    Have you put things in order in Chechnya? I ask you to !!!! I beg !!! For God's sake, forget about Ukraine. The last Benderites in 52 were caught. Don’t ... We are like something ourselves. Is it worth fighting for your homeland or are you of a different opinion?
  • zardoz
    zardoz 30 November 2013 01: 40
    +8
    How can I forget about her? Give me gas, then gasoline ...
  • stroporez
    stroporez 7 December 2013 10: 30
    +1
    Quote: Antabka
    Bendera’s last 52 caught
    strange, but I saw them relatively recently in the Caucasus .........................
  • Sandov
    Sandov 8 December 2013 19: 56
    +1
    Quote: Antabka
    Have you put things in order in Chechnya? I ask you to !!!! I beg !!! For God's sake, forget about Ukraine. The last Benderites in 52 were caught. Don’t ... We are like something ourselves. Is it worth fighting for your homeland or are you of a different opinion?

    Yes, your zapadentsy managed to spoil there. It is sad.
  • svp67
    svp67 30 November 2013 00: 43
    +5
    Quote: Antabka
    But to the bones themselves I consider myself a Ukrainian quite seen enough of the Russians.
    Chernigov is a beautiful city with a huge number of temples and drowning in greenery and in the spring in the Desna floods ... A city full of history, Russian history, how do you live among all this? I think it’s normal, because it’s your homeland. So, what is completely incomprehensible, why did the Russians annoy you with the fact that you founded such a beautiful city that you are ready to defend? And it’s interesting how you distinguish people — is it Russian, this is Ukrainian, this is Belarus? On what grounds?
    Quote: Antabka
    If I die, it’s not like a driven mongrel. And the children may remember
    Yes, you have lived for 100 years, someone else, but Russia doesn’t threaten you personally and your city, so get married to a good person of any nationality and give birth to children, so they will remember you faster and for longer ...
  • Antabka
    Antabka 30 November 2013 01: 40
    -1
    Why did the Russians founded? Why not Ukrainians? Or were the Russians earlier? The Slavs would say, I would not mind ...
  • svp67
    svp67 30 November 2013 04: 36
    +3
    Quote: Antabka
    Why did the Russians founded? Why not Ukrainians? Or were the Russians earlier? The Slavs would say, I would not mind ...

    That is, the existence of Kievan Rus, you deny?
  • rodevaan
    rodevaan 2 December 2013 03: 13
    +2
    Quote: Antabka
    Why did the Russians founded? Why not Ukrainians? Or were the Russians earlier? The Slavs would say, I would not mind ...


    - Because once again I repeat to you, there are no Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians — we are one people, temporarily divided by conditional borders! And we founded Kievan Rus - we are all together. Everything that our enemies in the West invents - all sorts of Russophobic stories - all this is done to divide us longer. For only when we are one are we invincible. West, west, - but there are also enough internal enemies. Selling pro-Western litter, a corrupt government that does not steal in any way, instead of raising both countries and heading for mutual integration.
    And at the same time, there are enough ordinary idiots in the forums, on both sides, who yell at each other with foam at the mouth, some about their dumb non-closeness, and the second about their dumb great-power, not understanding one simple fact - that we - brothers in fact nothing to share. And so divided, nowhere else to go. And with our cries and mats at each other, we only move away, but never get any closer.

    How long will it take for our people on both sides of the border to realize this, I don’t know ...
  • Sandov
    Sandov 2 December 2013 08: 14
    0
    Quote: Antabka
    Why did the Russians founded? Why not Ukrainians? Or were the Russians earlier? The Slavs would say, I would not mind ...

    Because it is one and the same. Do not talk about what you do not know.
  • Antabka
    Antabka 6 December 2013 18: 54
    +1
    It sounds only different - Russians - live in Russia, Ukrainians - in Ukraine, Belarusians - in Belarus. And when Kievan Rus was there were Krivichi, Drevlyans, Siveryan, glade. In a word, the Slavs are descendants of the Trypillian culture, Scythians and other peoples. But in the north of Kievan Rus and beyond its borders, other peoples lived with other related roots (look at the school textbook of the times of the USSR) and the Moscow Principality united them and spread its influence on what remained of Kievan Rus after the Mongol - Tatars. By the way, in the same textbook, you will read that separate principalities fought among themselves (see, even then, disputes arose between fraternal peoples) because the Mongols easily trampled across Russia. And the glorious city of Chernigov relied for a long time on the protection of different peoples. There were Tatars and Poles. All the bloodsuckers drank. Only now he became Russian only after the Pereyaslovskaya Rada in 1654
  • Sandov
    Sandov 8 December 2013 20: 00
    0
    Quote: Antabka
    (look at the school textbook of the times of the USSR) here they were united by the Moscow principality and spread its influence on what remained of Kievan Rus after the Mongol - Tatars

    Textbooks lie. I use the materials of independent researchers. The history of our people is proudly ancient and richer and more interesting.
  • Antabka
    Antabka 10 December 2013 23: 16
    +1
    Write the names of independent researchers - be sure to read their research. I hope the list will only contain Russian surnames?
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 10 December 2013 23: 22
    0
    If you specify who in your understanding is "independent expert" what
  • sapran
    sapran 30 November 2013 01: 19
    -3
    And really. Why listen to these people? What would be more confidence to gain in your own choice?
    Or is this a new trick? There and then all the "witty"! 99% of the l / s of the site thinks of themselves as a patriot of the fairelands (or at worst RUSSIAN).
    100% know a special recipe for victory over the whole world and the accession of world grace .... and you are here with naivety. Believe me, here you can find a lot of interesting topics and learn from knowledgeable people ... but only, my God, do not get stuck in politics (here you have your own monastery and they have your own charter) See Historical Studies, read about the selection of snipers, Listen to bedtime stories about Skolkovo nanotechnology overture . But God forbid about Ukraine and about the tsar-father here everyone is very vulnerable ...
  • Antabka
    Antabka 30 November 2013 01: 43
    -1
    love Thank you so much for your support! Very nice and follow your advice
  • svp67
    svp67 30 November 2013 04: 41
    +5
    Quote: sapran
    But God forbid about Ukraine and about the tsar-priest here everyone is very vulnerable ...
    So everything is simple - you want it or not, but we are all from ONE ROOT, and why suddenly one of the sprouts decided that it was not our native, it was simply not clear. You want to be Europe, so be it. Every morning, smile sweetly at each other and speak with respect to Pan or Pani, starting to appeal to any person, behave in a European manner - follow the agreements honestly and thoroughly, and until you yourself begin to do this, no association or partnership of you Europeans will do.
  • sapran
    sapran 30 November 2013 22: 36
    +3
    Golden Words ... / While there is a mess in their brains, and actions "were for nothing" until elementary self-discipline increases and values ​​are reassessed We are neither Europe nor the TS and are unnecessary for nothing. To begin with, we ourselves need to get out of the "wash" and raise the bar of morality. And then we want to plump and eat in sweetness and that someone on the left will pay for it. Society is sliding towards "Lumpenism"
    So while the "dive"
  • smersh70
    smersh70 30 November 2013 19: 56
    +2
    Quote: Antabka
    I’ll look at nationality, take a rifle and go shoot at

    brave woman ... true Lesya Ukrain .. wassat probably her grandfather was in the detachment of Kovpak .. laughing .
    Quote: Antabka
    whether it’s a Russian Chechen or a Georgian


    and you will regret the Azerbaijanis ... at least take a prisoner .. we will come in handy ... we will supply oil ... bully
  • rodevaan
    rodevaan 2 December 2013 03: 00
    +1
    Quote: Antabka
    My face is on av ... I like it or not I like to solve it. It happens in different ways. I'm a half-breed. Mother was born under Arzamas father is Ukrainian. She herself was born in Minsk. All my life I lived in Chernigov. I speak Ukrainian and Russian. But to the bones I consider myself a Ukrainian, I have seen enough of the Russians. I visit relatives in Minsk quite differently. They come with us. And no one calls me Bender. But I’ll say openly if someone snoops with evil force into my native Chernigov, whether it’s a Russian Chechen or a Georgian, I won’t look at nationality, I’ll take a rifle and go shoot, believe me, I’m doing it very well. If I die, it’s not like a driven mongrel. And children can remember


    - Well, you and heresy, dear! About the "cultural" west - no need to sing fables, I was in Storage - believe me, but my Vladivostok, on the outskirts of the world - is 2 times cleaner than dry Paris, where there is not a single white face in the metro ...
    Soon there will simply be no white people left ...
    As for the rifle - yes, during the Great Patriotic War, and at all times, we had women, God forbid every nation, such as ours, both beautiful and reliable ...
    And about Ukraine - now a temporary tear, - but sooner or later, a single people will unite. Not yet time. But difficulties will unite, I am sure of this.

    Yes, and yet - I personally will never come to Ukraine, to my second Motherland as an occupier. I just can’t imagine how I will go to the ancestral house in which I spent all my summer childhood, or to my friends, classmates, relatives, where I was accepted at home. And there are millions of people like me in Russia and Ukraine. How do you imagine that? Are you talking some nonsense, stupid ...
    Better save your patriotism for real enemies - who have climbed on us from the west for centuries, or for the southern "friends", whose expansion is just around the corner.

    There are no Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians - we are one people, and while we are dogging, we will poke around in it, and all sorts of "partner friends" will have us, you and them ... You don't have to be seven inches in your forehead for this do not understand, because history has shown this more than once since the time of princely strife ...
  • Sandov
    Sandov 8 December 2013 19: 55
    +1
    Quote: Antabka
    If I die, it’s not like a driven mongrel. And children can remember

    Not exactly like a driven mongrel. Turn on your head, cleanse your brain of Western dope.
  • Antabka
    Antabka 30 November 2013 00: 05
    +1
    Of course, I got excited, but what is happening on this RUSSIAN website is simply outrageous. Not all Russians are bad and goons and have their freaks, but you need to change something, starting with yourself, at least not to spit past the ballot box. Respect your women do you talk about domestic violence Continue? You are men - the pride of the nation is that we call ourselves Ukrainians are ready to mix us in manure and others are just silent. They will be silent when a stranger is raped and maybe even attached. Oh man!
  • svp67
    svp67 30 November 2013 00: 08
    +3
    Quote: Antabka
    and they will be silent when a stranger girl is raped and maybe even attached.
    Your fantasy seems to have gone the wrong way, if you haven’t noticed then a little bit different issues are being discussed ...
  • Antabka
    Antabka 30 November 2013 00: 42
    -1
    I traced my story on the site and I advise you, but you leave your comment for your compatriots. Do they write something about Russian that will not offend Russian? Nothing more to reply to my comment?
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 30 November 2013 00: 44
    +5
    Your story is a chain of slogans and proclamations.
  • Antabka
    Antabka 30 November 2013 01: 13
    +1
    Are there any quotes ...?
  • zardoz
    zardoz 30 November 2013 00: 48
    0
    And what did your story tell you?
  • svp67
    svp67 30 November 2013 00: 51
    +5
    Quote: Antabka
    I traced my history on the site and I advise you, and you leave your comment for your compatriots

    Well, my small Motherland is Ukraine, so I can also address these comments to you as a COMPETENT.
    Quote: Antabka
    They write about it Russian Russian will not offend? Nothing more to reply to my comment?
    You know, I have been living in the world for a long time and I am used to evaluating people more on business than on other grounds. And I know that every nation has DIFFERENT people, and to answer, if necessary, ALWAYS READY.
  • shuhartred
    shuhartred 1 December 2013 03: 36
    0
    Quote: Antabka
    I traced my story on the site and I advise you, but you leave your comment for your compatriots. Do they write something about Russian that will not offend Russian? Nothing more to reply to my comment?

    Now I’ll write that
    The earth is round, how do you answer?
  • zardoz
    zardoz 30 November 2013 00: 08
    +2
    Well, start with yourself. Why bother others without starting with yourself?
  • builder
    builder 30 November 2013 00: 35
    +2
    Not all Russians are bad and goons
    Thank you kind man hi
    but you need to change something, starting with yourself, at least from the fact that you don’t spit past the urn.
    I agree with this.
    Begin really with yourself
    “It will take about five years to start hanging up and indeed why do you need an army with your Russian spirit, if necessary, with axes, shovels and pitchforks in two weeks, wash the whole of Europe with blood and wash footcloths in the Bay of Biscay with your rudeness and drunk to sit you in your impassable taiga and scare the bears»
    “Russia has gone a long way from Ukraine, but only closer to the capitals, and a little to the side .... what wilderness in Ukraine and you will not find richly live?”
    “WHAT ARE THE COMMUNIST SYMBOLS?” And I didn’t say that it was scary there, but the phrase GOT HERE HERE I did not come up with !!!!
    “Farewell to the unwashed Russia, the land of the lords, the land of slaves, and you are blue uniforms and you are a devoted people to them. Did you write Russian?”
    “Claims from Ukraine and the poor will squeeze it until it bows its head in front of Russia or puts its legs as it pleases”
    «My impressions of Moscow and Muscovites are more negative than pleasant and in no case do not say that you are from Ukraine. Relationships change right away. Although not in all cases ”
    “And this time the government crap. Frightened by the Russian trade blockade ... It’s better to die of hunger but have at least some pride in your worth ”
    “Competition would strangle. However, now it will strangle us RUSSIA --- REVENSE --- for rebellion. Such is she, your mother. "
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 30 November 2013 20: 10
    +3
    Quote: Antabka
    Oh man!

    Nah ...
    The old avatar was better. recourse
  • shuhartred
    shuhartred 1 December 2013 03: 47
    +2
    Quote: Antabka
    Of course, I got excited, but what is happening on this RUSSIAN website is simply outrageous. Not all Russians are bad and goons and have their freaks, but you need to change something, starting with yourself, at least not to spit past the ballot box. Respect your women do you talk about domestic violence Continue? You are men - the pride of the nation is that we call ourselves Ukrainians are ready to mix us in manure and others are just silent. They will be silent when a stranger is raped and maybe even attached. Oh man!

    And what outrages you? Go to the Ukrainian site. By the way, you can call yourself whatever you like, you really need to interfere with something there. I am also a Ukrainian, but I live in Russia and do not think that there is a DIFFERENCE between us. And you printed a set of common truths and imagine that you uttered something special.
  • rodevaan
    rodevaan 2 December 2013 03: 21
    +1
    Quote: Antabka
    Of course, I got excited, but what is happening on this RUSSIAN website is simply outrageous. Not all Russians are bad and goons and have their freaks, but you need to change something, starting with yourself, at least not to spit past the ballot box. Respect your women do you talk about domestic violence Continue? You are men - the pride of the nation is that we call ourselves Ukrainians are ready to mix us in manure and others are just silent. They will be silent when a stranger is raped and maybe even attached. Oh man!


    - I’m saying that there are enough idiots on the forum on both sides who spit in their own. I am sure that if I go to a Ukrainian site like this, tomatoes will fly to me too ....

    And now hang your huge rifle on a nail, or else it’s firing, but it scares everyone in the house — and think to whom it’s profitable to quarrel and inflate in the corrupt (and there aren’t others) mass media frantic to each other ...
  • Sandov
    Sandov 2 December 2013 08: 19
    +2
    Quote: Antabka
    because we call ourselves Ukrainians are ready to mix us in manure and others are simply silent

    NO ukrov, we are one people-it's notions Poles.
  • Anatolich
    Anatolich 8 December 2013 10: 53
    +2
    Natasha, what do you have against the natives of the Bryansk region, you just got at the wrong time and in the wrong car drinks I was just born in the Bryansk region, and lived there until the age of 26, with short-term absences to work on a contract and in search of work, until I settled in the suburbs. I have many friends from Chernihiv, Sumy region, Moldova and other former republics of the USSR, with whom I studied at the technical school during the Soviet years and with whom I drank a lot of Moldovan wine, Russian and Ukrainian moonshine, with appetizer from feta cheese and lard. I didn’t notice that they drank less than me, and now sometimes we meet and drink, but not drunks after all, but adults and independent people with wives and children. Over the 15 years that I have been working, we had a lot of workers from Ukraine and Moldova, you know, there were different thieves and drunkards, but no less than Russians. So maybe we won’t say here that the Russians are all drunks, and you are saints. Remember how in my opinion in Nikolaev the girl was raped and set on fire alive, she died later from the fact that her internal organs were welded. Is that what Russian saboteurs did ?. There were also guys from western Ukraine who, coming to work in Moscow, cursed all Muscovites, Russians, and by the way you residents of Eastern Ukraine, and you should have seen with what hatred and neglect they spoke about you. The fact that you do not know how to live and sit on their neck. But most of all, I am finished off by a comrade from near Lviv who worked in the north, got an apartment in our house (their oil company signed an agreement with our company) lives in our city, grandchildren go to our schools, and he still curses Russians , and accuses all eastern Ukrainians of all sins of the past, present and future. And nothing seems to be used to it all, lives quietly and nobody touches him. It’s interesting if you had a Muscovite who came to Lviv and began to study Zapadentsev so long lived there?
  • Antabka
    Antabka 8 December 2013 15: 11
    0
    I'm tired of arguing here about anything. I don't remember who said probably some German --- Russians are hard to defeat, but it's hard for Russians to be winners. Please tell me you are not offended to live in a victorious country much worse than the defeated live because it was not aliens who rebuilt Europe, but you and I gave you the opportunity to plunder the USSR Well, who is to blame for this who stole or who allowed to steal. What is the use of Russia providing both Ukraine and all of Europe with gas. Russians from this do not live better, at least ordinary Russians. You are proud of your country as we are of ours, but you cannot decide anything in it, let alone govern. At least Ukrainians are trying to stand up and say their national "I", albeit not entirely successfully. I apologize to all people who have anything to do with Bryansk and Bryansk region if I have Oscarbed them.
  • Sandov
    Sandov 8 December 2013 20: 07
    0
    Quote: Antabka
    Russians from this do not live better, at least ordinary Russians. You are proud of your country as we are our own, only you cannot decide anything in it, let alone rule.

    Little Russia is part of Russia. Forget about ukrov - this is nonsense.
  • Antabka
    Antabka 10 December 2013 23: 20
    +1
    Do you have other thoughts or are you talking with an answering machine? Open your idea - I wonder why you think so?
  • Anatolich
    Anatolich 8 December 2013 20: 43
    +1
    Of course, I would like to live better, but in general I live well, I work a lot, but there is prosperity, my parents get more or less decent retirement, I would like to live better, of course, I don’t like a lot of things, especially Moscow, and the regions do not starve of course, but not to say that they live well. Recently I called my parents, they said that the dairy
    bought and immediately closed, more than 100 people on the street turned out, although the products were good, always took oil there. In short, good is also not enough, but still we have not reached the Maidan. Today in classmates he corresponded with his friend from Chernihiv, he did not go to Kiev, but some of his comrades decided to participate, let's see what happens request At least I don’t like what is happening on your Maidan, you can not trust those who are behind all this
  • Sandov
    Sandov 8 December 2013 20: 03
    0
    Quote: Antabka
    They will be silent when a stranger girl is raped and maybe even attached. Oh man!

    This is a bust, no fantasy.
  • Antabka
    Antabka 8 December 2013 21: 06
    0
    I read the comments of the Russians - your country is not robbed and raped. And you are probably against this and defend its interests. Why, then, do Russians live so poorly in such a huge rich and working country. Or is it my fantasy too?
  • Anatolich
    Anatolich 8 December 2013 21: 28
    0
    What do you specifically suggest? Take a pitchfork with an ax and go break what is left, how are you? to the joy of all these blue-asses, and to tear Putin apart as Gaddafi tore. So in Libya they already regretted it, I have a familiar pilot from transport aviation, he happens to be in Libya. There, the older generation curses the youth for what they have done. It is necessary to appreciate what is, but it is not necessary to break a lot of mind, to break it for long, only then you need to restore for a long time, did you teach history? Yes, you do not need to look far look at Serbia, Libya. Of course, our authorities are also on the verge, but the boiling point is still far away and although well-wishers add fuel to the fire, we are still far from your situation hi
  • Antabka
    Antabka 10 December 2013 23: 39
    +1
    Guys live as you want !!! You can continue to go with the flow and do not need to change or break anything. In a businesslike way, you can make repairs both with you and with us wink Here the past generation was not afraid to break and built the USSR on the wreckage of which we live. Politics are not made by ordinary people. Do you agree? What is happening in Ukraine is the consequences. People want to live better and fight for it. Well, you can continue to sail ... By the way, follow the history - in Russia there were most of all revolutions and riots. What is it about the classic Russian revolt said ....
  • zardoz
    zardoz 11 December 2013 01: 11
    0
    Quote: Antabka
    in Russia there were most revolutions and riots

    Most of all than where?

    Quote: Antabka
    People want to live better and fight for it.

    These are your people Doboryutstsa to the collapse of Ukraine.
  • Anatolich
    Anatolich 8 December 2013 21: 31
    0
    Here they took a monument to Lenin broke request
  • Antabka
    Antabka 10 December 2013 23: 40
    +1
    Monument to IRON Felix on Lubyanka WHERE ???
  • Kars
    Kars 10 December 2013 23: 45
    +2
    And in Zaporozhye there.
  • svp67
    svp67 11 December 2013 00: 37
    0
    Quote: Antabka
    Monument to IRON Felix on Lubyanka WHERE ???

    IN A FUNNY GARDEN
  • zardoz
    zardoz 9 December 2013 13: 01
    0
    What zanchit live poorly? Why do you think so? Have you ever been to Russia? Or then the Bulgarians are generally poor and citizens of Ukraine, And the Greeks too? The Spaniards are rolling in the same direction. I have a former employee in Greece who carries her daughter and grandson clothes from Lugansk. And they as a whole family come to Lugansk for treatment if suddenly something happened. Especially the teeth. And many friends who stayed abroad come to visit relatives and do not forget to visit the dentist.
  • Antabka
    Antabka 10 December 2013 23: 28
    +1
    Let's argue who lives richer? or can we open our eyes? Nizhny Novgorod region. not far from Arzamas, the village of Lopatino RICHLY LIVES !!! Avot Ukrainians from Greece and you can not expel-earnings higher than at home?
  • zardoz
    zardoz 11 December 2013 00: 49
    0
    As I understand it, is your brother living in this shovel-Moscow? :) In the Bulgarian villages oh how rich to live !!! :) As for Greece, I don’t know how to kick out of the plan - I have two friends who have left from there :) One of them has Greek citizenship.
  • Antabka
    Antabka 11 December 2013 01: 10
    +1
    My mom comes from there. Incidentally, there is an interesting case regarding earnings. One young Jew left for Israel and after living there did not return long. I ask - what came back and my parents stayed - answers And there they shoot and they call me into the army and earned it back. HERE IS GOOD. Ours is not like that, In Libya, war is in no hurry to leave, they all want to earn more
  • zardoz
    zardoz 11 December 2013 01: 19
    +1
    My friends are both Russian by nationality
  • svp67
    svp67 30 November 2013 00: 24
    +4
    Quote: Antabka
    As I understand it --- glorify Russia --- Putin ---- the Russian way of life --- and in general everything Russian --- and you’ll be with general epaulets
    You misunderstood ...
    Quote: Antabka
    dissent is not held in high esteem
    Well why, if it is SANE, and not just "dissent for the sake of dissent ...", then only welcome ...
    Quote: Antabka
    it will take five years to hang

    Seeing a speck in someone else's eye, you do not notice a log in your own ...
    Quote: Antabka
    and indeed why do you need an army with your Russian spirit if you need with axes, shovels and pitchforks to wash all of Europe with blood in two weeks and wash footcloths in the Bay of Biscay
    Toto You cut your, do you think that the Cherkasy with their settlers and bloomers can do it faster?
    Quote: Antabka
    your rudeness and drunk to sit you in your impassable taiga and frighten bears.
    Dear you, have you ever seen the taiga? People from Europe pay big money to see her, so this is our property and we have nothing to be ashamed of. I don’t understand why she hurts you so much.
    Quote: Antabka
    God cited the chance to ride in the reserved seat with YOUR guest-workers until the car was on the ears before reaching Bryansk.
    Have you checked the passports of all migrant workers and looked at their residence permit, what would you say so? But HOW Ukrainians who come back from the North walk, it is just "love-expensive" to see how, in other matters, all people of any nationality - people WALK from the heart, with all the ensuing consequences.
    Quote: Antabka
    And in Turkey, yes you can see a mile away.
    Well, Ukrainians are often also heard ... earlier than seen.
    Quote: Antabka
    There is in Europe and I can’t conceal the bad, but I can’t compare it with Russia. Where would you like to look at the unwashed Russia or the cultural west.
    This "cultured" lice crushed and scraped the dirt off the body, when in every Russian house there was a bathhouse and people washed in it, and let's not talk about culture, it does not save Europe from temporary "madness"
  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 30 November 2013 00: 55
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    Toto You cut your, do you think that the Cherkasy with their settlers and bloomers can do it faster?

    I’ll ask you not to touch Cherkasy ...
  • svp67
    svp67 30 November 2013 01: 09
    +1
    Quote: PSih2097
    I’ll ask you not to touch Cherkasy ...

    Do you mean the city or the Zaporozhye Cossacks?
  • shuhartred
    shuhartred 1 December 2013 03: 57
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Antabka
    As I understand it --- glorify Russia --- Putin ---- the Russian way of life --- and in general everything Russian --- and you’ll be with general epaulets
    You misunderstood ...
    Quote: Antabka
    dissent is not held in high esteem
    Well why, if it is SANE, and not just "dissent for the sake of dissent ...", then only welcome ...
    Quote: Antabka
    it will take five years to hang

    Seeing a speck in someone else's eye, you do not notice a log in your own ...
    Quote: Antabka
    and indeed why do you need an army with your Russian spirit if you need with axes, shovels and pitchforks to wash all of Europe with blood in two weeks and wash footcloths in the Bay of Biscay
    Toto You cut your, do you think that the Cherkasy with their settlers and bloomers can do it faster?
    Quote: Antabka
    your rudeness and drunk to sit you in your impassable taiga and frighten bears.
    Dear you, have you ever seen the taiga? People from Europe pay big money to see her, so this is our property and we have nothing to be ashamed of. I don’t understand why she hurts you so much.
    Quote: Antabka
    God cited the chance to ride in the reserved seat with YOUR guest-workers until the car was on the ears before reaching Bryansk.
    Have you checked the passports of all migrant workers and looked at their residence permit, what would you say so? But HOW Ukrainians who come back from the North walk, it is just "love-expensive" to see how, in other matters, all people of any nationality - people WALK from the heart, with all the ensuing consequences.
    Quote: Antabka
    And in Turkey, yes you can see a mile away.
    Well, Ukrainians are often also heard ... earlier than seen.
    Quote: Antabka
    There is in Europe and I can’t conceal the bad, but I can’t compare it with Russia. Where would you like to look at the unwashed Russia or the cultural west.
    This "cultured" lice crushed and scraped the dirt off the body, when in every Russian house there was a bathhouse and people washed in it, and let's not talk about culture, it does not save Europe from temporary "madness"

    Damn you answered her much better than I. Respect and a little envy. I do not know how to find the right words. Put +, and what else to do.
  • shuhartred
    shuhartred 1 December 2013 03: 28
    +2
    Quote: Antabka
    As I understand it --- glorify Russia --- Putin ---- the Russian way of life --- and in general everything Russian --- and you will not be held in high esteem with general epaulettes, it will take about five years to start hanging up and anyway why do you need an army with in your Russian spirit, if you need with axes and shovels and pitchforks in two weeks, you’ll wash all of Europe with blood and wash footcloths in the Bay of Biscay with your rudeness and drunk to sit you in your impassable taiga and scare the bears. God cited the chance to ride in the reserved seat with YOUR guest-workers until the car was on the ears before reaching Bryansk. And in Turkey, yes you can see a mile away. There is in Europe and I can’t hide the bad, but I can’t compare it with Russia. Where would you like to look at the unwashed Russia or the cultural west.

    Are everyone in Ukraine polite and non-drinking? If necessary, we will pass but not with axes. I was traveling with Ukrainian migrant workers in a bus, I was concussed by screaming and poisoned with "exhaust". You can be seen in Turkey as well as us. Look, of course, at the cultural West, where we haven’t come out with a snout. Drunken boors in the taiga. With a bear. Not washed. A mile away.
  • shuhartred
    shuhartred 1 December 2013 03: 29
    0
    Quote: Antabka
    As I understand it --- glorify Russia --- Putin ---- the Russian way of life --- and in general everything Russian --- and you will not be held in high esteem with general epaulettes, it will take about five years to start hanging up and anyway why do you need an army with in your Russian spirit, if you need with axes and shovels and pitchforks in two weeks, you’ll wash all of Europe with blood and wash footcloths in the Bay of Biscay with your rudeness and drunk to sit you in your impassable taiga and scare the bears. God cited the chance to ride in the reserved seat with YOUR guest-workers until the car was on the ears before reaching Bryansk. And in Turkey, yes you can see a mile away. There is in Europe and I can’t hide the bad, but I can’t compare it with Russia. Where would you like to look at the unwashed Russia or the cultural west.

    Are everyone in Ukraine polite and non-drinking? If necessary, we will pass but not with axes. I was traveling with Ukrainian migrant workers in a bus, I was concussed by screaming and poisoned with "exhaust". You can be seen in Turkey as well as us. Look, of course, at the cultural West, where we haven’t come out with a snout. Drunken boors in the taiga. With a bear. Not washed. A mile away.
  • Sandov
    Sandov 2 December 2013 08: 12
    +1
    Quote: Antabka
    As I understand it --- glorify Russia --- Putin ---- the Russian way of life --- and in general everything Russian --- and you will not be held in high esteem with general epaulettes, it will take about five years to start hanging up and anyway why do you need an army with in your Russian spirit, if you need with axes and shovels and pitchforks in two weeks, you’ll wash all of Europe with blood and wash footcloths in the Bay of Biscay with your rudeness and drunk to sit you in your impassable taiga and scare the bears. God cited the chance to ride in the reserved seat with YOUR guest-workers until the car was on the ears before reaching Bryansk. And in Turkey, yes you can see a mile away. There is in Europe and I can’t hide the bad, but I can’t compare it with Russia. Where would you like to look at the unwashed Russia or the cultural west.

    I wonder how you brainwashed the west. Sorry for the Slavs.
  • Sandov
    Sandov 8 December 2013 19: 53
    0
    Quote: Antabka
    it will take five years to start hanging up and indeed why do you need an army with your Russian spirit if you need to wash all Europe with blood and axes with shovels and pitchforks in two weeks and wash your footcloths in the Bay of Biscay with your rudeness and drunkenness and scare the bears in your impassable taiga.

    Well this is crap. Husband zapadentets or what? Why justify your own people. Hamla is everywhere, and in your sweet heart west.
  • chehywed
    chehywed 30 November 2013 00: 28
    +2
    Quote: Antabka
    Who wants to revive the USSR has no head who does not regret it has no heart.Antabka
    since GDP didn’t say that.
    “The one who was not a revolutionary in his youth has no heart.
    Those who have not become a conservative in maturity have no brains. "- both Churchill and Disraeli are credited.
  • Sandov
    Sandov 2 December 2013 08: 06
    +1
    Quote: Antabka
    Who wants to revive the Soviet Union does not have a head who does not regret it does not have a heart V. PUTIN

    It is simply the duty of every decent person to revive not the USSR but our empire.
  • Rusich51
    Rusich51 2 December 2013 20: 33
    +1
    Quote: Sandov
    It is simply the duty of every decent person to revive not the USSR but our empire.

    Malorosy, Belorosy, Velikorosy should unite in this desire. Then the devil himself is not our brother.
  • LENINGRADE
    LENINGRADE 29 November 2013 23: 08
    0
    but had it ever been different !?
  • rodevaan
    rodevaan 1 December 2013 17: 26
    0
    Quote: Antabka
    Disappointed with the latest developments. No political firmness on the part of the Ukrainian government towards Europe and Russia. How prostitutes (who will pay for it and lie down) worry about their chairs ..... I'm disappointed .... am


    - I dare to assure you that despondency will still be long. Unfortunately. They will continue to lie to Ukraine until finally either the people get it completely and they raise all this goblet in power to the forks, or some strong person comes who, in spite of everything, starts to lift the country out of the dung swamp, in which now she is situated. God grant that the efforts of this person would be aimed at integration and reunification with Russia. For who needs us more in this world than as each other. The West needs you as a bridgehead against us, no more.

    I hope God hears my words.
  • APES
    APES 29 November 2013 19: 04
    0
    Quote: Alexej
    Hto


    Ukraine.
    I like to express myself figuratively ....
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  • Alexei
    Alexei 29 November 2013 17: 11
    12
    Quote: Antabka
    .And Russia is the RICHEST country with gas, oil and gold, capable of making its citizens the richest inhabitants of the Earth. For some reason, it is very nervous and sucks Ukraine’s association. Well, you don’t have everything.

    One more pragmatic wise Ukrainian soul ... I will translate from Russian into Russian - as our Volodya wants, such an fate will be independent ... Personally, I would not connect in his place, if two-thirds of the population are for integration. What if they would join the EU, try to work in Europe (though they don’t know where to go for other Gastrik people), they would throw you eureka for promotion, only they would buy something from you (they have everything they own). You would have been afloat for two years (or even less), and then again the loan in eureka, not life - raspberry ... But what am I writing to you here, living in a country with gas, oil and gold, but with bare backside ... I just need to be clever.
  • uizik
    uizik 29 November 2013 17: 12
    +1
    Learn the story! For me, even if you’re getting into shit, there won’t be any sense! He was a slave to him and you will stay wherever the country enters.
  • zardoz
    zardoz 29 November 2013 17: 18
    +6
    And what will you do with such an average salary? :)) Live in Ukraine for $ 300
  • Fin
    Fin 29 November 2013 17: 47
    +3
    Quote: Antabka
    to digest them in yourself.

    You wrote it right to digest. But what about the independence? Where is the national pride?
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 29 November 2013 21: 38
      +4
      to digest them in yourself.
      Well, that's right. But now the question is: what does the digested eventually turn into, and where does this digested end up?
      1. Antabka
        Antabka 10 December 2013 23: 47
        0
        You tell your beloved woman who has a tourist invitation in her hands on the Cote d'Azur. Beloved, why do we need this foreign country - we’ll go better in Sochi and suddenly we will turn into IT ... You can assume a response
  • viruskvartirus
    viruskvartirus 29 November 2013 17: 49
    10
    It was interesting and correct to hold a referendum and everything would be resolved, in fact.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 18: 13
      +2
      Quote: viruskvartirus
      It was interesting and right to hold a referendum

      +, but neither yours nor ours will ever agree to this.
      1. APES
        APES 29 November 2013 18: 53
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        they never will.

        afraid to know the truth ....
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 19: 09
          +2
          Quote: APES
          afraid to know the truth ...

          They know her. They also know that the knowledge that you are not alone in your beliefs will consolidate people, and that they are afraid of consolidation.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 29 November 2013 20: 34
      +4
      Quote: viruskvartirus
      It was interesting and correct to hold a referendum and everything would be resolved, in fact

      Now in the newspaper Today there is a poll "Do you support the decision to postpone the association"
      47% - Yes
      37 - No, and ready to go to the rally
      15 - No, but I won’t go to the rally
      4 - I don't care
      Total Voters - 36089
      1. Fin
        Fin 29 November 2013 23: 37
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Now in the newspaper Today there is a poll "Do you support the decision to postpone the association"

        Interest does not converge. Somewhere they lie.
  • Committee
    Committee 29 November 2013 18: 30
    +3
    Why did you decide that with the entry into the EU, everything will be fine right away? Salaries will rise, there will be no unemployment? And why did Europe really need it, didn’t they think? Have you thought that you will join the EU and the standard of living in Belgium will be like? And why all of a sudden? There are only a million Lithuanians, and they don’t know who to hire shoes to clean or milk cows in Germany.
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  • cumastra1
    cumastra1 29 November 2013 19: 40
    +4
    We are experiencing, first of all, for what a mess happened, and Ukrainians will be driven to our machine guns ....
    1. shuhartred
      shuhartred 29 November 2013 22: 36
      +1
      I can’t shoot !!! stop
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 29 November 2013 20: 01
    +5
    Quote: Antabka
    Let them rot well with an average salary of $ 1000 Baltic States Poland Romania.


    The Poles have already landed ... and quietly crawl away from the Euro
  • aksakal
    aksakal 29 November 2013 20: 03
    +8
    Quote: Antabka
    I am very happy for you Russians !!!! wink You have brains in place. European states have united their own currency, their own parliament, which is not mutual assistance and agrees to join countries to digest them. Let them rot well with an average salary of $ 1000 Baltic States Poland Romania. But Russia is the RICHEST country with gas, oil and gold capable of making its citizens the richest inhabitants of the Earth For some reason, it’s very nervous and sucks Ukraine’s association Well, you don’t care to you - the wise !!!! tongue
    - Uh, excuse me, I read and did not intervene, since there is actually a purely Slavic conversation here, I do not intervene now, I will only confine myself to a wish - I would be glad to see the Ukrainians again in that friendly family where we lived before. Well, or about the same friendly.
    Actually, why I decided to intervene here. I understand your sympathy for the West, I understand that you like the smell of rotting the West, however, I apologize for the personal question - (...................... ........deleted by moderator)
    Just talking about politics with a girl is boring and does not need either a man or a girl. I think in these cases there are more interesting topics, so I would like to discuss these topics -))))
    1. Antabka
      Antabka 29 November 2013 20: 23
      +6
      Aksakal, I’d talk to you, but it’s a shame for the power - there is no one to defend
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 29 November 2013 20: 43
        +3
        And men hde? belay Offended by the power - This is their business! Aw, men, get involved in the original male affair and leave the girl to engage in the original female affair!
        1. old rocket man
          old rocket man 29 November 2013 23: 47
          +3
          Quote: aksakal
          And men hde? belay Offended by the power - This is their business! Aw, men, get involved in the original male affair and leave the girl to engage in the original female affair!

          And men are resting, suddenly a war, and they are tired laughing
      2. Cherdak
        Cherdak 29 November 2013 21: 01
        +3
        Quote: Antabka
        It's a shame for the power - there is no one to defend
        1. Antabka
          Antabka 29 November 2013 21: 17
          +3
          Stupid, probably - I can’t understand why you are
          1. Cherdak
            Cherdak 29 November 2013 22: 47
            +2
            Yes, about your maydanutyh. You need to work and you will have "European happiness"
            1. builder
              builder 29 November 2013 22: 50
              +1
              They still continue to believe in the groom (the good strangers uncles will wave their magic wand and everything will be fine)
            2. aksakal
              aksakal 29 November 2013 23: 30
              +5
              Quote: Cherdak
              Yes, about your maydanutyh. You need to work and you will have "European happiness"
              - I don’t like Dorenko, but he is a good speaker, he knows how to speak juicy, and yesterday he said just that: "To be Ukraine's supplier of juicy female meat to the best European tables, and over every Ukrainian there will be a German with a whip:" Arbeiten, Schnelle! " Whatever it is - you have to work! But then why isn't it working for you now? Good night! "
              Not from these with whips and other geyropskogo meat-eaters you gathered to protect the power, dear Antabka? Is it possible in this case to stand next to you in a trench? repeat But still I think that your men will cope with the defense themselves, but we’re better off not in the trenches, I know a more positive place here, where you can discuss completely non-political issues wink
            3. sapran
              sapran 30 November 2013 01: 28
              +2
              You are absolutely right to work conscientiously and wisely. But to work and to waste is a bit different concepts. It is not clear that Some of them see themselves as Panami, the second here imagine themselves as Barinas, the third are frightening with Burgers. but it seemed how easy it is to be the OWNER on YOUR LAND. And there is no need for wrongs or leftists, otherwise there are "idolaters" that are not in the world themselves and so that there is peace and order around ...
      3. Sandov
        Sandov 3 December 2013 13: 00
        0
        Quote: Antabka
        Aksakal, I’d talk to you, but it’s a shame for the power - there is no one to defend

        What power? For our centuries-old alliance of malorosov, belorosov and Velikorosov?
    2. shuhartred
      shuhartred 29 November 2013 22: 42
      +6
      Dear aksakal, Russian is not necessarily Slavic. Russian is the one who considers himself to be so. Here you speak Russian, think how Russian means you to me, but I’m just a Ukrainian, but I was born in Russia and consider myself Russian. I apologize if I offended you. . hi
  • SF93
    SF93 29 November 2013 20: 20
    +3
    Western benefactors will suck your Ukraine and throw them out, and you will blame Russia for everything as usual.
    1. Antabka
      Antabka 29 November 2013 20: 34
      -3
      They have our Ukraine and sundry, but there is no one to defend it. And this time the government crap. Frightened by the Russian trade blockade ... It is better to die of hunger but have at least some kind of pride in your worth
      1. zardoz
        zardoz 29 November 2013 22: 07
        +8
        Well, for example, I do not feel pride from the association of Ukraine with the EU
        1. Antabka
          Antabka 29 November 2013 22: 42
          +1
          Your opinion ... But the government buried its pride a long time ago
          1. zardoz
            zardoz 29 November 2013 23: 45
            +2
            Quote: Antabka
            But the government buried its pride a long time ago


            What does the government and pride have to do with it?
          2. PSih2097
            PSih2097 30 November 2013 00: 33
            +3
            Quote: Antabka
            Your opinion ... But the government buried its pride a long time ago

            honestly, that you’ve been offended by the government, here’s your Council - it’s been engaged in a circus since its foundation, and so much so that Yuri Nikulin did not dream ...
      2. Cherdak
        Cherdak 29 November 2013 22: 48
        +3
        Quote: Antabka
        Frightened by the Russian trade blockade ...


        And what is this pearl? What a blockade - they checked much softer than the same Poles or Balts.
        1. Antabka
          Antabka 30 November 2013 00: 48
          +3
          You saw kilometer-long lines of trucks at the border, and this is just the beginning
          1. svp67
            svp67 30 November 2013 01: 02
            +8
            Quote: Antabka
            You saw kilometer-long lines of trucks at the border, and this is just the beginning
            And here the story is generally anecdotal. Four months ago, Russia began to implement EVERYTHING ACCORDING TO THE PREVIOUSLY SIGNED AGREEMENTS WITH UKRAINE and in response received, to put it mildly, the perplexity of the Ukrainian side and the statement of Ukrainian politicians that Russia was "too formal" about the implementation of the previously reached agreements. That is, when the Russian side turned a blind eye to Ukrainian "pranks" in the form of semi-legal goods and, let's call it directly SPONSORING Ukraine, it was normal, but when it stopped doing it, it became WRONG. And your Yanukovych was smart enough to demand compensation from the EU for these "losses" in four months, in addition to asking for help ... You are funny. No one but you is NOT to blame for your troubles, or you will have to admit that you have not yet left kindergarten age ..
            1. sapran
              sapran 30 November 2013 01: 56
              +2
              Here is a definite plus for you. It would have long since put things in order at the border in accordance with the regulations of the garrison guard service. And every three months something new from the rules and norms was introduced. Here you immediately go to the treasury and the nation is healthy. In general, positive and again usefulness. May the Russian soul not become scarce for inventions and entertainment. (The more you get rid of the more you pour water on the "someone else's mill") So far, 100% success is on your face (just a bit left)
            2. svp67
              svp67 30 November 2013 05: 13
              +1
              Quote: sapran
              May the Russian soul not falter for fiction and entertainment.
              I can calm you down, our souls are the same, and the ability to invent too - "blood" is almost the same
            3. Sandov
              Sandov 3 December 2013 13: 07
              0
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: sapran
              May the Russian soul not falter for fiction and entertainment.
              I can calm you down, our souls are the same, and the ability to invent too - "blood" is almost the same

              Without almost. Malorosy however.
  • rodevaan
    rodevaan 2 December 2013 03: 33
    0
    Quote: Antabka
    They have our Ukraine and sundry, but there is no one to defend it. And this time the government crap. Frightened by the Russian trade blockade ... It is better to die of hunger but have at least some kind of pride in your worth


    - Your patriotism is on the right track, otherwise it wears you without sails ... Nevertheless, it is better for a woman not to get into politics. Let the men think about rifles, but you'd better give birth to children, but more. And then we are dying, Slav brothers!
  • Sandov
    Sandov 3 December 2013 13: 03
    0
    Quote: Antabka
    They have our Ukraine and sundry

    Lyakhi have you, malorosy are the same Russian called Poles Ukrainians.
  • Migari
    Migari 29 November 2013 20: 24
    +4
    For some reason, she’s very nervous and sucks Ukraine’s entry into the association. Well, aren’t you all the same? Where are we to you-wise !!!
    Actually, it would not be bad to know anything about this.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 29 November 2013 20: 31
    +8
    We at least remain Russian, and do not renounce ourselves in order to become the second grade among strangers.
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 2 December 2013 03: 36
      +1
      Quote: EvilLion
      We at least remain Russian, and do not renounce ourselves in order to become the second grade among strangers.


      - Gold words! It is a pity that the Ukrainians do not understand this yet ... And the huge number of "Russians" too ...
  • pensioner
    pensioner 29 November 2013 16: 28
    +3
    Quote: Povshnik
    It is interesting, but what will change if Russia takes part in the negotiations?

    I understand that ours will use their own weapons. Those. as much as possible, for years to come, this negotiation process will turn into a "talking shop".
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 18: 05
    +4
    Quote: APES
    It smells of a pact for Brussels to stay with Lviv ......

    Andrei, there are no fools either, they are considering the deal only in its entirety. Even in the case of the unification of Russia and Ukraine, the western regions of Ukraine will always be the sore spot that you can put pressure on. In due time so used Poland.
    1. APES
      APES 29 November 2013 19: 01
      +3
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      western regions of Ukraine will always be that sore spot


      which I mean by Leo and meant

      I’ll add about the pact - it will be 2's strontium wink
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 30 November 2013 00: 35
        0
        Quote: APES
        I’ll add about the pact - it will be 2-sided wink

        A la poland 1939 ???
  • Cat
    Cat 29 November 2013 18: 52
    +6
    Quote: APES
    It smells of a pact for Brussels to stay with Lviv ......

    But what about Brussels that Lvov surrendered, what is there to take, except for "independent" slogans and monuments to Bandera? No industry (even outdated, "made in the USSR"), no minerals, no energy, no agriculture ... the working-age population, for the most part, already has a Sabbath either in Europe or in Russia - what will the EU get in the event of Western ? Nothing, perhaps an extra hemorrhoids (when svidomye with yasnovelmozhnym start a brother on the theme of the "heroic" past).
    But if Central, Eastern and Southern Ukraine, together with Crimea, would be a different matter, there would be a place for the European Union to turn around ... But alas. As the saying goes, the Native American hut, that is - figs to you, gentlemen of the Europeans.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 30 November 2013 00: 38
      0
      Quote: Cat
      no minerals, no energy, no agriculture ...

      Well, the fossils on the Snake’s shelf - they gave to the minders ...
      1. Cat
        Cat 30 November 2013 12: 56
        0
        Quote: PSih2097
        Well, the fossils on the Snake’s shelf - they gave to the minders ...

        and what does Snake have to Western Ukraine?
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 30 November 2013 12: 19
    +1
    It smells of a pact for Brussels to stay with Lviv .....

    I think if negotiations drag out, Brussels will have to give Poland with Moravia, Serbia and Bulgaria.
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  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 29 November 2013 15: 58
    24
    Quote: ...
    As recently as today, Yanukovych compared the association with the European Union with a loop


    What did he think before? In the end, he is Ukrainian and not Moldavian, they have already signed an agreement with the EU, because it is not for nothing that they say One Moldavian is durin, two Moldovans are two fools, three Moldovans are the Moldavian Academy of Sciences.

    Scientists from the Moldavian Academy of Sciences have proved that the Earth is not round. She is dirty and creaks on her teeth.
    Scientists from the Moldavian Academy of Sciences have proved that the smallest people live in photographs
    Scientists from the Moldavian Academy of Sciences came to the conclusion that most of the vitamins are in the pharmacy.
    Scientists from the Moldavian Academy of Sciences have decoded traffic signals.
    1. APES
      APES 29 November 2013 16: 02
      +9
      Quote: Vadivak
      Scientists from the Moldavian Academy of Sciences have proved that the Earth is not round. It is dirty and creaks on its teeth. Scientists from the Moldavian Academy of Sciences have proved that the smallest people live in photographs Scientists from the Moldavian Academy of Sciences have come to the conclusion that most of the vitamins are in the pharmacy.


      Can you refute this ???? belay

      laughing laughing laughing
      1. S-200
        S-200 29 November 2013 16: 33
        +7
        Quote: APES
        Can you refute this ????

        and you ask how the action is. MEMBER ... AN of Moldova! ? wassat
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 29 November 2013 16: 57
        +5
        Quote: APES
        Can you refute this ????


        Laugh together now

        A textbook on the new history of Moldova for the 11th grade, authors corresponding member of the ASM, professor Demir Dragnev and candidate of historical sciences

        They call "all these Poles, Greeks, Armenians and Jews real scum who pollute Chisinau."
        “General Antonescu,” according to the author, “is an outstanding personality,” and he justifies Hitler's invasion of the USSR by unsubstantiated repeating the Hitler-Goebbels myth about the preparation of the Soviet Union for an attack on Germany. Here, the distinguished professor claims that "the Romanian and German units liberated Bessarabia, the north of Bukovina and the Hertz region." Hitler and Antonescu are presented as liberators and on page 71 you can read that they waged a war against the Soviet peoples with the aim of freeing them from slavery. On page 69, we learn that during the war the population of "Bessarabia and Transnistria" decreased due to the policy of the Soviet regime. There is not a hint of the mass terror of the invaders against the civilian population and the genocide of half a million Jews by the "liberator" Antonescu.
        This textbook was republished in Romania in 2011 with money from the Romanian government and is currently the main textbook for studying "domestic" history for XNUMXth grade students.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 29 November 2013 18: 23
          +6
          Quote: Vadivak
          There is not a hint of the mass terror of the invaders against the civilian population and the genocide of half a million Jews by the "liberator" Antonescu.

          And where are the cries of Professor and his whole gang am on this occasion? No time to read Moldavian textbooks? request Do American magazines mean reading time? angry
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 29 November 2013 20: 46
            +6
            Quote: retired
            Quote: Vadivak
            There is not a hint of the mass terror of the invaders against the civilian population and the genocide of half a million Jews by the "liberator" Antonescu.

            And where are the cries of Professor and his whole gang am on this occasion? No time to read Moldavian textbooks? request Do American magazines mean reading time? angry
            - Um, dear, did you just notice the amazing selectivity of the professor and his team (atalef and other lads)? They've been laughing at it for a long time laughing
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 29 November 2013 21: 09
              +1
              So not today ... But this is a matter of prince. Where are the screams? And atalef blacklisted me. I could not stand the poor fellow crying Amen drinks
              1. old rocket man
                old rocket man 29 November 2013 23: 55
                +4
                [quote = senior citizen] So not today ... But this is the business of a prince. Where are the screams? And atalef blacklisted me. I could not stand the poor fellow crying Amen drinks[/ Quote
                Congratulations, you have received an honest person certificate. And don’t worry, we have a good company drinks
                1. pensioner
                  pensioner 30 November 2013 01: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: Old Rocketman
                  we have a good company

                  And I had no doubt! drinks hi
        2. APES
          APES 29 November 2013 18: 56
          0
          Quote: Vadivak
          Laugh together now


          it is sad....

          I hope my previous joke didn’t hurt you, I liked the joke, I decided to cheat

          sorry hi
      3. pensioner
        pensioner 29 November 2013 18: 19
        +2
        Quote: APES
        The Moldavian Academy of Sciences came to the conclusion that most of the vitamins are in the pharmacy. Can you refute this ????

        For example, I do not. But X okhl will say that there are more vitamins in fat. And they still do not take into account the burner ...
        1. APES
          APES 29 November 2013 18: 59
          +4
          Quote: retired
          more vitamins in fat


          truth so + honesty and brown bread and all this with borscht,
          only fat should be right.

          himself
          Quote: retired
          X ohol
          - so that I understand the issue wink
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 29 November 2013 19: 36
            +3
            Quote: APES
            X ohol - so that I understand the issue

            I’m out of luck ... I don’t have anyone in my family (there are no Jews, pah, pah, pah!). But there are no okhlov ... Although both the uncle and the aunt in Pavlograd have lived their whole lives ... But in the fat I know the same way repeat ... In the refrigerator 3 grades lies! I brought it here from a business trip. And when I drive to Ukhta in kmndr, we always go to Prince Pogost (Emva) to the market. There is one German SUCH smoked bacon makes - mind eat !! No worse than the one we bought in Poltava ... Well, or in the city of Rudny in Kazakhstan. Again, the Germans ... Tutv Saratov was on vacation with his former cadet visiting. His mother (German) smokes bacon. Also great ...
          2. aksakal
            aksakal 29 November 2013 20: 49
            +6
            Quote: APES
            Quote: retired
            more vitamins in fat


            truth so + honesty and brown bread and all this with borscht,
            only fat should be right.

            himself
            Quote: retired
            X ohol
            - so that I understand the issue wink

            - the right bacon - should it be in chocolate? Chernomyrdin spoke. Excuse me, I'm just not very good at lard, although they say here: "What Kazakh lad doesn't like lard?"
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 29 November 2013 20: 54
              +3
              Quote: aksakal
              - the right fat - it should be in chocolate

              Yeah. Even kosherrepeat
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 20: 59
                +2
                Quote: retired
                Yeah. Also kosher

                Well artists. lol
          3. PSih2097
            PSih2097 30 November 2013 01: 07
            +3
            Quote: APES
            truth so + honesty and brown bread and all this with borscht,

            the main thing is that in the borscht the greaves would be swimming ...
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 30 November 2013 01: 34
              +2
              Quote: PSih2097
              the main thing is that in the borscht the greaves would be swimming ...

              Those. hot pepper to be filled with borsch in the mouth - doesn’t it matter anymore ?? And the dumplings ?? What about sour cream? Home, ess-but? No Dear! Here everything in the complex is necessary, in the complex ...
              1. builder
                builder 30 November 2013 01: 47
                +3
                Well, you can’t do that. I was already tired of running to the refrigerator. Hidden advertising is somehow. laughing laughing
                1. pensioner
                  pensioner 30 November 2013 02: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: stroitel
                  Well, you can’t do that. I was already tired of running to the refrigerator. Hidden advertising is somehow

                  Quiet, quiet ... Not any advertising! It's just that one Major with mushrooms poisoned his soul. And I HAD ... Well, now there IS ... And I have a bite of bacon and mushrooms !!! And borsch is tomorrow (today) we will do! Where's the wife am will not go away !! Almost hohlyachka! Father-in-law! Well, let it be a Ukrainian! Well, never, no one was offended before ... When they started, I wonder ...
                  1. builder
                    builder 30 November 2013 02: 05
                    +1
                    It's just that one Major with mushrooms poisoned his soul. And I HAD ..
                    Quote: Cherdak

                    Have a good evening!
                    After that, it started ...
                    1. pensioner
                      pensioner 30 November 2013 02: 07
                      +1
                      Quote: stroitel
                      After that, it started ...

                      What ... And you HAVE?
                    2. builder
                      builder 30 November 2013 02: 10
                      +1
                      Quiet, quiet ... It was, it was already drinks
                    3. pensioner
                      pensioner 30 November 2013 02: 22
                      +1
                      Quote: stroitel
                      It was, it was already

                      Hmm ... And so far I have ended ... But nothing. I'll go rummage yet ... My wife and mother hid my bookmarks. But the apartment is not so big ...
              2. Sandov
                Sandov 3 December 2013 13: 16
                0
                Quiet, quiet ... Not any advertising! It's just that one Major with mushrooms poisoned his soul. And I HAD ... Well, now there IS ... And I have a bite of bacon and mushrooms !!! And borsch is tomorrow (today) we will do! Where's the wife am will not go away !! Almost hohlyachka! Father-in-law! Well, let it be a Ukrainian! Well, never, no one was offended before ... When they started, I wonder ... [/ quote]


                And potatoes with bacon and onion to mash? Anything expensive.
  • zardoz
    zardoz 29 November 2013 17: 36
    0
    they kind of just initialed a deal. The agreement itself is going to be signed in the fall of 2014
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  • w.ebdo.g
    w.ebdo.g 29 November 2013 16: 18
    17
    I respect our President.
    He speaks on the case and does several times more than he says ...
    And no matter how much our media and individual citizens flock over it, the President is slowly restoring sovereignty.
    In 2008, from the rostrum, he asked us, citizens, to help him in the struggle for the country's sovereignty. But we didn’t understand nifiga, we thought it was he who just said - "I hope for you, I need your help!"
    much more specifically?

    1. i.xxx-1971
      i.xxx-1971 29 November 2013 16: 28
      +8
      It is amazing to what extent the president’s thoughts coincide with mine!
      1. alone
        alone 29 November 2013 21: 42
        +3
        Quote: i.xxx-1971
        It is amazing to what extent the president’s thoughts coincide with mine!

        belay Maybe you are HE?
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      1. Oskar
        Oskar 29 November 2013 17: 01
        +1
        Well, for example, protecting the market from illegal criminal and bureaucratic intrusions. Now it is quite clear what kind of invasion you need to fear more. If in the 1990s crime did not select business, but forced entrepreneurs to pay a kind of tribute “for protection”, now officials at various levels provide the same services, only “protection” is not so much “protection” as simply taking away a business, the so-called raiding.
        Reading the Manifesto of the EDRo Party of 2003 and are surprised at the cynicism and dishonesty of those people who "worked" on this document. Are these people in good conscience? According to their firm conviction, we have all been receiving a share (percentage) from the use of the country's natural resources since 2005. We have been getting this share for 8 years - everyone is “rich”, we just don’t know where to put this money. And in 2017, Russia will be the leader in world politics and economics. How is it, huh? Wait, sir?
        By 2009, according to the United Russia party, the entire North Caucasus was to become the resort and tourist Klondike of Russia. How, you have not rested in the North Caucasus? You have lost a lot. There is such a wonderful service - sometimes they shoot, sometimes they blow up, sometimes the little bands "crawl out" of the underground and serious fights with the feds begin. Take a ride - an unforgettable experience! Here is such nonsense (I can not name it in any other way) was voiced by EdRom.
        I am not talking here about the direct election of governors, about free media, about the reduction of the bureaucracy, about freedom of ownership. All this was destroyed as soon as Putin needed to build the famous power vertical (which doesn’t work a damn thing).
        Back in 2000, Putin in one of the interviews said literally the following: “Our population has long been tired of the fact that the words of state power often diverge from deeds.” 13 years have passed and you can safely repeat the same words. The question arises: What did you do, Mr. President, all this time, so that the tired people could at least slightly believe the authorities?
        And who said that they will fulfill. To promise is not to marry.
      2. Fin
        Fin 30 November 2013 00: 03
        +2
        Quote: Oskar
        Let’s not be unfounded and remember what Putin promised us back in 2000.

        Oskar I certainly understand that they promised a lot, there are enough problems but:
        - 90% of the population is balancing somewhere near the poverty line, where did it come from?
        - collective farms and state farms, too, he ruined?
        - And what did we have under Stalin after the Second World War in Z. Ukraine, the Bandera people were destroyed all the next year?
        - to everyone in the apartment? Something I did not hear that they promised for 5 years.
        Let's not dump everything in a bunch.
    3. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 29 November 2013 17: 01
      +4
      Quote: w.ebdo.g
      from the rostrum he asked us citizens to help him in the struggle for the sovereignty of the country. But we don’t understand,

      fools we are sheep, it turns out that these citizens are transferring loot to the Fed and welcome the appointment of a lady, Chubais and other shushary, did not learn how to be tolerant, etc.
      I work, raise children, play sports, pay taxes - what should I understand?
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 29 November 2013 17: 55
        +1
        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
        I work, raise children, play sports, pay taxes - what should I understand?

        If you worked in the housing and communal services, if you worked in the police, or in production, as the boss or the head of a construction company, what would you understand? BUT? Would you need to understand something? Or did you think that Volodya turned to hard workers who work, walk a dog in the mornings, and drink beer on weekends and don't really strain their brains?
    4. wzxeckfw
      wzxeckfw 29 November 2013 19: 32
      0
      He only says, but he covers corruption and enriches himself, do not make an idol out of him.
    5. Papakiko
      Papakiko 29 November 2013 20: 04
      +3
      Quote: w.ebdo.g
      And no matter how much our media and individual citizens joke about it.

      Why is it joking?
      At the end of October, Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller said that Naftogaz Ukrainy had not paid for the gas supplied in August. Then the debt amounted to 882 million dollars, but in the period until November 7, Naftogaz paid more than 20% of this amount.
      Does everything in rubles consider the truth? wink
      Sovereignty, and we go after you, ummah.
    6. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 29 November 2013 21: 01
      +2
      Quote: w.ebdo.g
      I respect our President.
      He speaks on the case and does several times more than he says ...

      Blessed is he who believes ...
    7. Sandov
      Sandov 3 December 2013 13: 19
      0
      Quote: w.ebdo.g
      I respect our President.
      He speaks on the case and does several times more than he says ...
      And no matter how much our media and individual citizens flock over it, the President is slowly restoring sovereignty.
      In 2008, from the rostrum, he asked us, citizens, to help him in the struggle for the country's sovereignty. But we didn’t understand nifiga, we thought it was he who just said - "I hope for you, I need your help!"
      much more specifically?

      When Putin leaves, I would like to be replaced by the same adequacy.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 November 2013 18: 33
    +3
    Ukraine escaped from gang rape (from the EU) .. But this can be experienced .. But the destruction of the full industrial and scientific potential of Ukraine (created back in the Soviet Union), this complete degradation of the state would be .. (level of Moldova) .. Burner and fat from geyevropy would import ..
    1. Sandov
      Sandov 8 December 2013 20: 15
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Ukraine escaped from gang rape (from the EU) .. But this can be experienced .. But the destruction of the full industrial and scientific potential of Ukraine (created back in the Soviet Union), this complete degradation of the state would be .. (level of Moldova) .. Burner and fat from geyevropy would import ..

      Well, perverts from the EU have always been different.
  • user
    user 29 November 2013 18: 56
    +1
    Today, interviews on the Maidan have shown, so none of those who stand there believe that after signing the agreement in Ukraine there will remain visas and no one will let them into Europe. On the contrary, everything is impatient of the fact that they will immediately have everything like in Europe, so I never held Ukrainians for fools, but here I don’t know what to think. In my heart, of course, the little thought revolves around that the reporter is fake or. . . . .
    Although I think Putin just felt sorry for them when he warned in a soft and hard form from such an act. Otherwise, default, poverty and I think the collapse into two or three parts. Although for Russia this would be the most favorable option, but on the other hand, like most Russians, my relatives are Ukrainians.
  • wzxeckfw
    wzxeckfw 29 November 2013 19: 28
    -3
    All this is nonsense. You are far from Ukraine with your soviet thinking. Pushkov is a mishandled Cossack of the Kremlin. Here and all opinion
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 29 November 2013 19: 43
      +7
      Quote: wzxeckfw
      Pushkov mishandled Cossack Kremlin. Here and the whole opinion

      And you, by the hour, not from the NSA? Nick is some kind of intricate ... recourse
    2. Cherdak
      Cherdak 29 November 2013 21: 06
      +1
      Quote: wzxeckfw
      You are far from Ukraine with your soviet thinking
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 30 November 2013 01: 11
        +2
        Quote: Cherdak
        Quote: wzxeckfw
        You are far from Ukraine with your soviet thinking


        For our TV, you can say the same thing ...
    3. hommer
      hommer 29 November 2013 23: 28
      +2
      Quote: wzxeckfw
      All this is nonsense. You are far from Ukraine with your shovel thinking

      Quote: MIKHAN
      Ukraine escaped from gang rape (by the EU)


      Sorry, the view from the side. We are equally worried about fraternal peoples.
      From a comment on another forum -
      "When contacting COMMUNITIES of people, four options are possible.
      1) Persuasion of aliens or conspiracy with loved ones.
      2) Feeding resources
      3) Economic pressure or other means. Military, psychological and the like.
      4) Silence and self-removal from close communication. "
      Russia should already choose one of the options.
      It is impossible to be more Ukrainians than Ukrainians themselves.
    4. rodevaan
      rodevaan 1 December 2013 17: 48
      0
      Quote: wzxeckfw
      All this is nonsense. You are far from Ukraine with your soviet thinking. Pushkov is a mishandled Cossack of the Kremlin. Here and all opinion


      - Yes, yeah, very "distant". I don't need to tell fairy tales here! I visit Ukraine every year. My relatives live there. What is Geyropstan, what are you talking about! Cities such as Kiev and Donetsk are more or less well maintained, but the former millionaire Makeevka is desolation! But this is a city in which with your so unloved "scoop", as you put it, there were factories of ALL ALLIANCE value! How many jobs these enterprises have given people! Now what? Makeyevka Metallurgical Plant (barely breathing, has laid off about 6 thousand workers in recent years), coke-chemical (work at 5% of the required capacity), pipe foundry (closed, equipment was stolen), YaKHZ (Yasinovsky Coke and Chemical Plant) - functioning by 10% of the set ... Now we can say that these enterprises do not exist. Everybody ruined your Geyropstan mats! And what about the mines? Half closed, the rest barely breathe. Is it normal for people to pay from 1500 to 4000 thousand Russian rubles? People live as they can, 30 thousand for Ukraine is a huge salary, in such a city as the regional center Donetsk!
      I am generally silent about the West - there were no huge mining and processing enterprises spawning there. Agriculture and nothing else is sheer poverty.

      And you are being dragged to Geyropastan, which is being denied, blackens, is Muslim and isarabized with the speed of a bullet! Who needs you there? How is the future supplier of the white population? Like a springboard against us only, and nothing more. Then, under the pig howl of Bandera’s shortcomings, pin-dos bases will be established in order to expand already close to our borders. And all this trash zapadoidnaya trample to our borders.
      You are needed there as a free supplier of cheap SLAB-force and territory for bases. Nobody will let Ukrainian goods into the markets of Geyropastan - they are an extra competitor like a splinter in the opera!
      In Geyropstan they want ... About the consequences of this indiscriminate desire, only no one wants to think ....
  • pawel1961
    pawel1961 30 November 2013 00: 12
    0
    absolute truth. but some who do not recognize and that's it.
  • GSH-18
    GSH-18 30 November 2013 01: 07
    +1
    The news of Ukraine’s refusal to sign an agreement on a cheating association with the EU is just a balm for the soul! Putin did a good job, Yanukovych, respect! He tipped and nibbled the geyropeyskie elegbeteshnikov on kukan, by the very tomatoes! Another time, they will scratch their workplace harder before trying to grab anything from Russia! yes
    1. builder
      builder 30 November 2013 01: 26
      0
      Yanukovych respect?
      Yanukovych, in my opinion, nothing to do with it at all. Yanukovych only brought what the "high negotiating parties" decided.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 29 November 2013 15: 39
    10
    The failure took place, but this is not the end. The cradle of Russia, Kievan Rus has been torn off and torn for about 500 years, if not more.
    Still, with the prodigal brother, it would be necessary in a brotherly and not overly pragmatic way.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 29 November 2013 15: 59
      +5
      Quote: Peaceful military
      Still, with the prodigal brother, it would be necessary in a brotherly and not overly pragmatic way.
      Where is even more brotherly?
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 29 November 2013 16: 09
        +2
        Quote: bomg.77
        Quote: Peaceful military
        Still, with the prodigal brother, it would be necessary in a brotherly and not overly pragmatic way.
        Where is even more brotherly?

        You omitted the second part of my cue "not overly pragmatic". We overdid it, which is understandable, because everything has been left to the liberals.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 29 November 2013 16: 23
          +3
          Quote: Peaceful military
          We overdid it, which is understandable, because everything has been left to the liberals.

          What exactly?
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 29 November 2013 18: 28
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Peaceful military
            We overdid it, which is understandable, because everything has been left to the liberals.

            What exactly?

            In a pragmatic approach according to liberal patterns: "nothing personal, just business". It is clear that Little Russians behave not in the best way, but somehow everything must be decided more gently, with more patience, somewhere and persuasion, etc., etc.
        2. bomg.77
          bomg.77 29 November 2013 16: 41
          +1
          Quote: Peaceful military
          You omitted the second part of my "not overly pragmatic" line.
          I have given your part of the speech completely. I would like to clarify, do you mean that Russia approached Ukraine not fraternally, but excessively pragmatically, since everything has been left to the liberals? So I understood your post?
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 29 November 2013 18: 30
            0
            Quote: bomg.77
            Quote: Peaceful military
            You omitted the second part of my "not overly pragmatic" line.
            I have given your part of the speech completely. I would like to clarify, do you mean that Russia approached Ukraine not fraternally, but excessively pragmatically, since everything has been left to the liberals? So I understood your post?

            Yes so. An overly pragmatic approach according to liberal templates: "nothing personal, just business". It is clear that Little Russians do not behave in the best way, but somehow everything must be decided more gently, with more patience, somewhere and persuasion, etc., etc.
            1. old rocket man
              old rocket man 30 November 2013 00: 08
              0
              Quote: Peaceful military
              somehow it’s necessary to solve everything more gently, with more patience, somewhere and with persuasion, etc.,


              Where is it even softer? How can you not decide, with or without petroleum jelly, the process does not change in essence wink
              1. PSih2097
                PSih2097 30 November 2013 01: 15
                0
                Quote: old rocket
                Quote: Peaceful military
                somehow it’s necessary to solve everything more gently, with more patience, somewhere and with persuasion, etc.,


                Where is it even softer?with or without petroleum jellyprocess does not change essentially wink

                With a bucket of sand ... wassat
            2. bomg.77
              bomg.77 30 November 2013 01: 39
              0
              Quote: Peaceful military
              Yes so. Excessively pragmatic approach according to liberal patterns: "nothing personal, just business"
              A healthy share of pragmatism should be present in relations between countries, without it, it’s not like that. Only in relation to the former Soviet republics, Russia behaves more fraternally than pragmatically. Loans, releases energy resources at reduced prices, Free movement and the opportunity to earn money in Russia do not limit, buys the products of the former republics, are loading enterprises that still operate on the expanses of the former USSR. Is this not enough? is it fraternal?
              Quote: Peaceful military
              . It is clear that Little Russians are not behaving in the best way
              That is to say the least!
              Quote: Peaceful military
              but somehow it’s necessary to solve everything more gently, with great patience, somewhere and with persuasion, etc., etc.
              What would be your reaction if your brother whom you supported at a difficult moment in his life didn’t just move away and spread to the side of your enemy? Does Taras not look like a bulb?
              1. Peaceful military
                Peaceful military 30 November 2013 14: 46
                +1
                Quote: bomg.77
                What would be your reaction if your brother whom you supported at a difficult moment in his life didn’t just move away and spread to the side of your enemy? Does Taras not look like a bulb?

                Don't confuse warm with soft. You named the effect, not the cause. The reasons were excessive liberal pragmatism and chauvinistic snobbery "so what you poor can do without us, but where are you going from us." Yes, and all these fables are about supporting your brother in difficult times. Here is the consequence for you that, a brother inclined to fornication, more and more fornication against Russia.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 29 November 2013 17: 17
      -4
      Quote: Peaceful military
      The failure took place, but this is not the end. The cradle of Russia, Kievan Rus has been torn off and torn for about 500 years, if not more.
      Still, with the prodigal brother, it would be necessary in a brotherly and not overly pragmatic way.

      The cradle of Russia is the Upper Volga region, and German historians of Russia came up with about Kievan Rus at the time of the Romanovs.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 29 November 2013 19: 44
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        The cradle of Russia is the Upper Volga region, and German historians of Russia came up with about Kievan Rus at the time of the Romanovs.

        I am not fond of pseudo-history. The minus is not mine, I do not like to put them in vain.hi
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 29 November 2013 20: 15
          0
          Quote: Peaceful military
          I am not fond of pseudo-history. The minus is not mine, I do not like to put them in vain.

          You misunderstood me, or maybe I said wrong. Kievan Rus was (probably) but its role for the Russian world is greatly exaggerated.
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 29 November 2013 20: 59
            0
            Quote: Setrac
            You misunderstood me, or maybe I said wrong. Kievan Rus was (probably) but its role for the Russian world is greatly exaggerated.

            I do not see exaggeration (if you do not take into account the rhetoric of ukr_ov) ... What can it be?
      2. yur
        yur 29 November 2013 20: 17
        0
        And who invented the UTO ?!
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  • AVV
    AVV 29 November 2013 15: 45
    +8
    Yes, in fact, this project of Ukraine’s integration was launched from states that are failing after failure on the global field. Syria, Iran, now Euro-integration, can be called Jewish integration, organized by the Jewish lobby of the US Congress. And what about the people? They didn’t even remember Ukraine, it’s not about the interests of the people, but it’s about areas of influence and the expansion of the market for their goods from the West !!! Following this, the task is to break up such high-tech industries as rocket science, tank building, shipbuilding, metallurgy, everything these production in the West have to be torn off from Russia, and end the mutually beneficial work of enterprises, turn into dust, why do they need competitors, they need buyers !!! That's it!
    1. Antabka
      Antabka 29 November 2013 16: 49
      +2
      Dear! The industry of Ukraine is in a deplorable situation. It’s not worth helping in the collapse. You just have to wait. But not only the USA and Europe are fighting for sales markets, but Russia is also nervous. China just doesn’t care. He is out of competition
      1. ultra
        ultra 29 November 2013 17: 00
        +7
        Quote: Antabka
        But not only the USA and Europe are fighting for sales markets

        Dear! The sales market is where there is purchasing demand, and where will it be in Ukraine if there is no economy? Where will the money come from? You are not the USA, you don’t accept the hryvnia all over the world as a payment method! hi
        1. Antabka
          Antabka 29 November 2013 17: 17
          +1
          Clear!!!! Russia wants us to throw money (a joke) tongue
          1. avg
            avg 29 November 2013 17: 56
            +5
            Clear!!!! Russia wants us to throw money (a joke)

            for billions of debt, it’s not a joke, Madame. hi
            1. Antabka
              Antabka 29 November 2013 18: 27
              -1
              And who else do you need if you know Ukraine? winked
              1. avg
                avg 29 November 2013 18: 49
                +3
                The question is off topic. If we are talking about Ukraine, it is better to remember how many debts you have written off. If you know?
                1. Antabka
                  Antabka 29 November 2013 19: 51
                  +2
                  You can dog for a long time and calculate debts who owes whom and for what. But the current situation is reminiscent of a dance scene (girl are you dancing? - no, a blow to the forehead- A NOW?) Good relations Ukraine - Russia love
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 29 November 2013 20: 04
                    +5
                    Quote: Antabka
                    Girl are you dancing? - No, a blow to the forehead. - NOW?

                    The girl goes to the wrong dance floor
                    1. Antabka
                      Antabka 29 November 2013 20: 36
                      +1
                      This is clear to everyone. But you need to choose
                      1. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 29 November 2013 20: 43
                        +3
                        Quote: Antabka
                        But you need to choose

                        Ukraine has long been "playing" with the choice and / or elections.
                        The people of Ukraine will not understand in any way that neither God, nor the tsar, nor the hero will save the country, which will not decide "to whom it would be more expensive to surrender."
                  2. Cat
                    Cat 29 November 2013 20: 09
                    0
                    Quote: Antabka
                    You can dog for a long time and calculate debts who owes whom and for what. But the current situation is reminiscent of a dance scene (girl are you dancing? - no, a blow to the forehead- A NOW?) Good relations Ukraine - Russia love

                    And Ukraine-EU relations, do not they remind you of anything?
                    1. Antabka
                      Antabka 29 November 2013 20: 39
                      0
                      I don’t argue. We would like to give money for development and to the company would be accepted under normal conditions, until we ourselves leave the ass for friendly help, you don’t have to count
                      1. Apollo
                        Apollo 29 November 2013 20: 47
                        +4
                        Quote: Antabka
                        Until we leave ourselves out of ass you don’t have to count on friendly help


                        The word I highlighted does not color you.
                      2. Antabka
                        Antabka 29 November 2013 22: 10
                        +2
                        I have sins in my expressions. They answer me worse. I'm on the Men's site? love
                2. Alexei
                  Alexei 29 November 2013 22: 31
                  +2
                  Quote: Antabka
                  (girl are you dancing? - no- a blow to the forehead- A NOW?) Good relations Ukraine - Russia

                  Well. As if softer ... With the girls "dynamo", if you are not in the know, do uh ... harsher.
                3. Sandov
                  Sandov 8 December 2013 20: 19
                  0
                  Quote: Antabka
                  You can dog for a long time and calculate debts who owes whom and for what. But the current situation is reminiscent of a dance scene (girl are you dancing? - no, a blow to the forehead- A NOW?) Good relations Ukraine - Russia love

                  This is the dance floor. Girls must be respected and loved, not beaten.
    2. old rocket man
      old rocket man 30 November 2013 00: 16
      +3
      Quote: Antabka
      But not only the USA and Europe are fighting for sales markets, but Russia is also nervous. China just doesn’t care. He is out of competition


      Oh, I beg you, and why such a thing Ukraine buys from us, which then will not be sold.
      There is no need for school slogans here, I also, the sales market-Ukraine, there is simply nowhere to sow hemp to Brussels laughing
  • pensioner
    pensioner 29 November 2013 15: 50
    +7
    Quote: major071
    “The European Union has grabbed - Ukraine is literally floating away from its hands, like a fish from a landing net into which it was almost caught”
    I have a question for Akim. It is useless to Kars. That one has armor piercing below the belt. Well, here is Akim: well, how do you endure all these inclinations from others, not to say that much you, Ukrainians, who previously loved very much, politicians of microscopic neoplasms? Well, I personally, at the present time, would take it as an insult. Not to mention the fact that such a figure in Russia would be immediately swaddled ... Well, do you, the military man, really like this system of public administration, when anyone, fuck you know who, but from Europe, can just come and agitate for "revolution" ???
    1. major071
      major071 29 November 2013 15: 57
      +4
      And where am I? I did not write this. laughing
      Quote: major071
      “The European Union has grabbed - Ukraine is literally floating away from its hands, like a fish from a landing net into which it was almost caught”
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 29 November 2013 18: 41
        +2
        Quote: major071
        And where am I? I did not write this. laughing
        Quote: major071
        “The European Union has grabbed - Ukraine is literally floating away from its hands, like a fish from a landing net into which it was almost caught”


        Maybe they didn’t write, but they thought for sure. laughing (joke)
        1. major071
          major071 29 November 2013 18: 57
          +5
          I wouldn’t come up with this, well, I’m not a fisherman! laughing
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 29 November 2013 19: 44
            +2
            Quote: major071
            Well, I'm not a fisherman!

            In vain ... Time spent fishing does not go to the expense of life!
            1. major071
              major071 29 November 2013 21: 46
              10
              I prefer a "quiet hunt", I salt it myself, the guests tear it off with their hands:
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 29 November 2013 21: 50
                +1
                Quote: major071
                I prefer a "quiet hunt", I salt it myself, the guests tear it off with their hands:

                Gruzdi is wonderful! good But where are the mushrooms ??? request
                1. major071
                  major071 29 November 2013 22: 08
                  +5
                  Yes, mushrooms do not grow in the steppes, you have to either drive to Bashkiria or to the Chelyabinsk region. good
              2. Alex 241
                Alex 241 29 November 2013 21: 51
                +7
                Not brothers, it’s necessary to put it out on Friday night laughing good
                1. studentmati
                  studentmati 29 November 2013 21: 54
                  +4
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  Not brothers, it’s necessary to put it out on Friday night


                  In, in !!! Had to go to the kitchen and gut the fridge! drinks And who can stand it?
                  Hello!
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                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 29 November 2013 21: 57
                    +2
                    Sanya hi to withstand? Well, what kind of willpower must one possess? drinks
                    1. studentmati
                      studentmati 29 November 2013 22: 03
                      +1
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      Well, what kind of willpower must one possess?

                      Your Sasha is true! drinks If you look, then there are not many joys in life!
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                3. major071
                  major071 29 November 2013 22: 07
                  +6
                  Calm down gentlemen, I am now taking little by little under the salty "value" melting in my mouth, which is what I wish for you! drinks
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 29 November 2013 22: 12
                    +2
                    I join drinks laughing
                    1. major071
                      major071 29 November 2013 22: 17
                      +4
                      I support drinks For your health! drinks But my minion does not need to poison green ice cream, pour him better beer! laughing
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 29 November 2013 22: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: major071
                        pour him a better beer!
                        Small escho laughing
                  2. pensioner
                    pensioner 29 November 2013 22: 15
                    +3
                    Quote: major071
                    I am now taking little by little under the salty "value" melting in my mouth

                    Ahhhhhh! My favorite!!! So round? Slippery like that? With bitterness, huh? And salt with garlic, dill and horseradish leaf? That's it ... I'll go to the refrigerator too ...
                    1. major071
                      major071 29 November 2013 22: 25
                      +7
                      Forgot to say - a little smelly, while raw. laughing Everything is so, only without horseradish leaf, but with the addition of currant leaves, allspice, and indeed, each jar is different for me, as my heart desires. The flight of thought is big. laughing
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 29 November 2013 22: 26
                        +1
                        Volodya write an article, let there be a culinary heading laughing
                      2. major071
                        major071 29 November 2013 22: 38
                        +6
                        No, Alexander, of course I love to cook and know how, but "cook" is not for this site. And for recipes I ask in a personal, I will not refuse anyone, I will answer everyone. laughing
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 29 November 2013 22: 40
                        0
                        Volodya understood, thanks in advance.
                  3. pensioner
                    pensioner 29 November 2013 22: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: major071
                    Forgot to say - a little smelly, while raw.

                    We had a drought this year. They gathered values ​​for a couple of cans ... But they were all dried up and all were already opened ... Salted of course ... But not that ...
                  4. studentmati
                    studentmati 29 November 2013 22: 30
                    +2
                    Quote: major071
                    and indeed, I have each jar differently, as my soul desires. The flight of thought is big.

                    Handsome Volodya !!! Handsome !!! good Every business is if with a soul, then everything goes smoothly!
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              3. studentmati
                studentmati 29 November 2013 22: 16
                +3
                Quote: major071
                Calm down gentlemen, I am now taking little by little under the salty "value" melting in my mouth, which is what I wish for you!

                Quote: major071
                I join

                I, too, brothers with you already "in the subject"! drinks
                1. major071
                  major071 29 November 2013 22: 33
                  +9
                  Temporarily leaving, my wife caught me for a strange occupation: drinking alcohol with a computer, said that I had completely "moved out" and advised me to go to the doctor. fool So I’ll go to sleep, otherwise I’ll get to work in the morning, and our time is already half past twelve. You all have a good time. drinks
                  PS Don’t worry about mushrooms - we’ll finish tomorrow! laughing
                  1. pensioner
                    pensioner 29 November 2013 22: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: major071
                    Don’t worry about mushrooms - we’ll finish tomorrow!
                    Goodnight! And I went to look for a stash ...
                  2. major071
                    major071 29 November 2013 22: 42
                    +5
                    Goodnight! I then looked that there were already 4 deleted comments on our conversation, I wonder who we disturbed so much? what
                  3. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 29 November 2013 22: 43
                    +1
                    Sanya has double messages.
                  4. major071
                    major071 29 November 2013 22: 46
                    +4
                    I understood that I’m setting sail with a calm soul. drinks hi
                2. studentmati
                  studentmati 29 November 2013 22: 47
                  0
                  Quote: major071
                  Goodnight! I then looked that there were already 4 deleted comments on our conversation, I wonder who we disturbed so much?

                  Quote: Alex 241
                  Sanya has double messages.

                  Right, Sasha! There is a continuous dubbing. It seems a little more ..... but already everything is twofold! laughing
                3. pensioner
                  pensioner 29 November 2013 23: 06
                  +1
                  My wife tried to hide the Czech tincture of the election from me. Schazzzz. I know all her hiccups ... Half an hour of searching and now I’ll clink glasses with my computer drinks Well ... for mushrooms! drinks
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  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 29 November 2013 22: 55
    +3
    Quote: major071
    guests tear off their hands


    Have a good evening!
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 29 November 2013 23: 27
      0
      Attic! And where are the finnish butter? They are definitely there! I have them in Kovdor of the Murmansk region. collected. There, Finland is visible from the hotel window ...
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 30 November 2013 14: 14
        +1
        I'm more on white.
  • Ihrek
    Ihrek 29 November 2013 15: 51
    +7
    This unreliable Yanukovych changes his mind like gloves. Perhaps he will sell the country to Europe for some $ 20-30 million in cash loan. But as you know, even 60ml.m. measure is only temporary. And the struggle from Europe will be even more serious. They feel sorry for missing such a beautiful bride, albeit with material problems. Indeed, in the future they will be able to earn on it. In March 2014, everything will become clear. I hope Yanukovych will choose the Russian vector.
    1. i.xxx-1971
      i.xxx-1971 29 November 2013 16: 31
      +5
      They need Ukraine as a cash cow, which can then be used for meat.
      1. ultra
        ultra 29 November 2013 17: 06
        +7
        Quote: i.xxx-1971
        They need Ukraine as a cash cow,

        They only need Ukraine as a political factor, as indeed the whole of Eastern Europe! Therefore, the first to join the EU were so generously sponsored (Poland, Czech Republic). And now they have strained their finances, and the voter in Germany is not very happy to be a sponsor of political experiments EU guidelines.
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  • 528Obrp
    528Obrp 29 November 2013 15: 53
    +3
    Well. That's all for now
    Vilnius Summit: Ukraine has not signed an agreement with the EU

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/international/2013/11/131129_summit_eu_lithuania.sh
    tml
  • matross
    matross 29 November 2013 15: 56
    12
    In the long run, the separation of Galicia and the reunification of eastern Ukraine with Russia is inevitable. And then again the accession of Galicia ... Spirals, from history, from wink
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 29 November 2013 18: 44
      +1
      Quote: matRoss
      In the long run, the separation of Galicia and the reunification of eastern Ukraine with Russia is inevitable. And then again the accession of Galicia ... Spirals, from history, from wink

      Don’t need Galicia, oh don’t!
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 30 November 2013 01: 20
        -1
        Quote: Hudo
        Don’t need Galicia, oh don’t!

        squeeze into Europe the population and everything, populate - I do not want ...
        1. matross
          matross 30 November 2013 17: 56
          +1
          Quote: PSih2097
          squeeze out the population into Europe and all

          Well, here again simple recipes: squeeze out, evict, put in, shoot ... For people, do not you think them? Why? For me - so are the Slav brothers. Yes, there are differences from the Siberians, for example. So what? Even the language is almost the same. The evil have all become. And this is not at all characteristic of Russians. For a squabble with neighbors and to lose yourself for long ...
  • mnbv199
    mnbv199 29 November 2013 15: 58
    +8
    Quote: Jamal
    This unreliable Yanukovych changes his mind like gloves. Perhaps he will sell the country to Europe for some $ 20-30 million in cash loan. But as you know, even 60ml.m. measure is only temporary. And the struggle from Europe will be even more serious. They feel sorry for missing such a beautiful bride, albeit with material problems. Indeed, in the future they will be able to earn on it. In March 2014, everything will become clear. I hope Yanukovych will choose the Russian vector.

    Viktor Yanukovych, as a trader, is trying to get himself a political and monetary price. So he bargains, bargains ...
    Viktor Yanukovych responded to Angela Merkel: "The economic situation in Ukraine is very difficult. We have very big threats. I would like you to hear me. I have been alone for three and a half years. In very unequal conditions with a strong Russia, one on one." Yanukovych accompanies the last phrase with clenched fists.
    http://m.ria.ru/world/20131129/980541588.html
    Lastly: "This man is a radish. He is only red on top. His insides are white ..."
    1. Ihrek
      Ihrek 29 November 2013 16: 13
      +7
      I would add and - rotten.
    2. wzxeckfw
      wzxeckfw 29 November 2013 19: 35
      0
      It is necessary to steal less with Donetsk brothers then the money will be
      1. alex13-61
        alex13-61 29 November 2013 20: 19
        +1
        Quote: wzxeckfw
        It is necessary to steal less with Donetsk brothers then the money will be

        Stealing is not good, but "nakolyadat" as a Western judge, what is it, Zvarich in my opinion - it is possible ...
      2. Hudo
        Hudo 29 November 2013 20: 50
        +4
        Quote: wzxeckfw
        It is necessary to steal less with Donetsk brothers then the money will be


        This is without a doubt true. And what about Pchelopas Golodomorovich Yushchenko, for whom Svidomo soap mooed at Maudown in 2004, who, together with his American bedding, collected money for the hospital for the future for children and stole it. Well, it is necessary not only not to have a conscience but a heart - stolen from sick children.
        And the timonkonko donut-yulka-- everyone knows about that. But the racially correct Izzy Tyagnysrak, nicknamed the fascist, the idol of the unwashed Galician ethnic group - in words for nenka, and he himself builds a khatynka in the reserve. How to deal with these ghouls?
  • Djozz
    Djozz 29 November 2013 16: 00
    12
    Hypothetically, why not the Poles to compensate for Ukraine’s loss from joining the EU from their own pockets, invites, so pay! Rather, they will strangle themselves, and fuck at someone else's expense, much! This also applies to the Baltic states.
    1. Cat
      Cat 29 November 2013 16: 09
      +6
      Quote: Djozz
      Hypothetically, why not the Poles to compensate for Ukraine’s loss from joining the EU from their own pockets, invites, so pay! Rather, they will strangle themselves, and fuck at someone else's expense, much! This also applies to the Baltic states.

      It has already been said more than once that the EU is a kind of pyramid like MMM. Whoever is the first with a profit, the rest can only earn by attracting new participants. That is why Psheki and Shprots fussed around, agitating and enticing. But alas ... it did not grow together. And they didn’t make money for themselves, and they didn’t give the “old Europeans” any profits - where can Ukraine be compensated “from its own pocket”?
    2. kmike
      kmike 29 November 2013 17: 49
      +1
      The Polish government is not even able to pay for the pogrom of our embassy (11 thousand dollars) by the Polish fascists, what kind of compensation can Ukraine talk about.
  • denson06
    denson06 29 November 2013 16: 04
    +2
    What can I add ... so far it has worked out (Vilnus for the EU (+ USA) has definitely failed) ... Let's hope that we and Ukraine will be together as before. One people, in fact ...
  • 528Obrp
    528Obrp 29 November 2013 16: 08
    0
    During disputes, skirmishes, discussions on the subject of Ukraine-EU-TS, I thought little about mechanisms (real) and tools for resolving this issue. With all the economic power of Europe (EU), at this stage couldn’t oppose anything to the shadow player of geopolitics - To Gazprom. When you seriously think about this, the question arises: who is sitting on the gas needle? !! A gas pipe is relevant not only for Ukraine. A gas pipe is equally relevant for Germany!
    1. Millibyte
      Millibyte 29 November 2013 17: 33
      +1
      Do not forget about the freezing Gulf Stream - a hoax to the whole world! Http: //idivkino.livejournal.com/617317.html#cutid1
  • predator.3
    predator.3 29 November 2013 16: 13
    +1
    At one time, the Volyn principality was one of the strongest countries in Europe, but after the Mongol invasion, 1242. the pope promised military assistance and the royal crown to Daniil of Galicia, in return for adopting Catholicism, and so the prince didn’t wait for the crown or military help, but crowds of monks came to baptize the people into Uniate, or rather sold their souls to the devil, and after a hundred years lost themselves, as a people and as a state! The same thing is happening today!
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 29 November 2013 20: 03
      +1
      Quote: predator.3
      ... the pope promised military assistance and the royal crown to Daniel Galitsky, in return for adopting Catholicism, and so the prince did not wait for the crown or military aid ...

      You are not right. hi In 1254, the papal nuncio presented the crown to Prince Daniel. After that, in the West, Daniel began to be called the king and could "on equal terms" communicate with the Western crowned neighbors. However, the transition of the Galicia-Volyn principality to Catholicism was rejected by Daniel, for which he did not receive military assistance from the "right" neighbors.
  • Keeper
    Keeper 29 November 2013 16: 15
    +5
    Here the question is generally about the integrity of the country. If Ukraine enters into the CU with Russia, there remains a country whose economy is not just "seams", but in general "not ice" ...
    If it enters into an association with the EU, the country is torn to pieces and territorially surrendered to the jurisdictions of its neighboring states, and if they are dissatisfied, they introduce NATO tanks.
    And now the question is: what to do with Ukraine ?! Dismember or continue to "starve" ?!

    In a parallel thread, I already wrote that a "friendly takeover" of Ukraine by Russia is necessary! But they are unlikely to listen to the grain of sand ...
    1. i.xxx-1971
      i.xxx-1971 29 November 2013 16: 35
      +2
      Ukraine should first enter the Customs Union and the ruble zone, and they will understand what to do next.
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 29 November 2013 19: 37
        +4
        you can enter you can not enter. We’ll lose somewhere. However, you always need to sacrifice something to achieve the goal.
        The main thing is that we stopped in time with the association. That it already cost us dearly, even without signing what
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 29 November 2013 19: 54
          +5
          Quote: Cristall
          The main thing is that we stopped in time with the association. That it already cost us dearly, even without signing

          Yes not really?
          Have you purchased a calculator? wassat
          BEFORE HOW, did they all figure it out by eye?
          And, most importantly, WHAT can change, in the BEST direction for Ukraine, in the near future?
          "... a magician in a blue helicopter will suddenly arrive ..."?
          Ukraine received a reprieve, nothing more. But gloomy prospects have not disappeared.
          1. Cristall
            Cristall 29 November 2013 19: 59
            +1
            Yeah, I was wondering. Like all ordinary people, they walked with calculators, they did nothing, they sat and thought they thought they thought they thought - but they didn’t calculate!
            Gloomy prospects can appear only from reading articles and comments here (referring to articles about Ukraine)
            Everything can change! We will be optimistic, good mood.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 29 November 2013 20: 01
              +3
              Quote: Cristall
              Everything can change! We will be optimistic, good mood.

              I want to believe. Sincerely...
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 29 November 2013 16: 44
      +2
      Quote: Keeper
      In a parallel thread, I already wrote that a "friendly takeover" of Ukraine by Russia is necessary! But the waves are unlikely to listen to the grain of sand ...

      drinks
    3. Antabka