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In Ukraine, almost no Russian people are younger than 30 years. Only facts

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In Ukraine, almost no Russian people are younger than 30 years. Only facts



Warning: This note is not Ukrainophobic in nature, but only covers the problem of identifying Russians in Ukraine, without at all touching the topic even of Russian-speaking Ukrainians.

In Ukraine, if we take out the city of Sevastopol, there is not a single Russian person who is less than 30 years old and who confidently position herself ethnically and spiritually Russian at a public or everyday level. Argue?

Today, the state of Ukraine, despite bilingualism, is turning into mono-ethnic Poland No. XXUMX. What gives me the right to argue so boldly? Despite the absolute dominance of the Russian language in the south-east of Ukraine, ideologically Lviv and Donetsk are already converging. Russian-language schools, if there is, then there is no "Russian spirit". If simpler, then there is not one important subject for parity, namely - stories of Russia. Only. And more is not needed. Therefore, when against the background of the bacchanalia about the European aspiration of Ukraine, Russian experts, who sat down impressively in the studios of Russian TV channels, claim that the East of Ukraine will never support the pro-Western course of official Kiev, then they only cause me to grin. Give 6-8 more years, and the whole Donbass will vote for NATO. Here are the facts for 2012 and 2013 years that you can check:

1. March of the supporters of the SS division "Galicia" in the Russian-speaking Krivoy Rog in broad daylight through the main streets of the city.

http://censor.net.ua/news/240491/v_krivom_roge_proshel_pervyyi_na_vostoke_ukrainy_marsh_v_chest_divizii_ss_galichina

2. Young football fans of Shakhtar (Stalino, a former Soviet city), great-grandsons of veterans and children of yesterday’s Donetsk boys, who were sitting in taverns to the music of M. Krug between the shooters and gatherings, and now their children in the stands of the stadium chant the UPA chants: “Glory to Ukraine! Heroes Glory! ”And so on.

http://sport.bigmir.net/football/ukraine/1528638-Fanaty-Shahtera-pochtili-godovcshinu-UPA

3. Russian-speaking Ukrainian nationalists

http://runet.tyzhden.ua/Node/77938

“Eastern nationalists began their activities with enlightenment in the district and regional centers of south-eastern Ukraine. Like-minded people in a social network rallied, and access to real took place last year, when “Russian-speaking Ukrainian nationalists” in “Vkontakte” gathered 2000 members.

"The group admins invented on Pokrov, October 14, print a card" Tell the truth about the UPA "for distribution in the southeast. She depicted a mother over the child and 10 theses that dispel Soviet myths. That the UPA has nothing to do with fascism, which Shukhevych We were not awarded with the German cross. We gave 10000 flyers to 16 cities, small ones - Mariupol, Zhovti Vody. It was the first way out to the real, on the occasion of the UPA anniversary. In November, we met in Kharkov and decided to build organization. There are already people in Donetsk, W apogee, Lugansk, Dnepropetrovsk, Kiev ", - says Sergey Zamilyukhin".

A source: Gazeta.ua

He continues: “Russia firmly inserted into its head the notorious idea that the native language is the one with which it was born. But the history of our assimilation does not allow us to say that the language that you have heard since childhood is your own. For a Russified Ukrainian, Russian is no more as the language with which he was born, because it was imposed on his ancestors. And his mother tongue was the language of his nation, "says the main runovite.

Not a word about Russians! But they are in Ukraine! They are not even a million or two. Or is this all Russified Ukrainians? Oh yeah, I forgot, the presence of a passport of Ukraine confirms that you are a Ukrainian!

4. Storming the city administration of the millionth Russian-speaking city of Odessa by members of the nationalist party Svoboda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXRQuz29evU

These 4 clauses (facts) or four alarm bells that I can prove to you, friends, live and are responsible for the words. And if I begin to give examples from my life, then yesterday’s Russian will tell me, for example: “And we don’t have this in Zaporizhia, give a link or a video, so don’t engage in provocation, the Kremlin Troll”.

Why did Russian-speaking millionaire cities and Russian industrial mono-cities with hundreds of thousands of people in the southeast fall before the ideology of the regional centers of Western Ukraine? The moment of truth was in 2004. It was 1,5% that Yushchenko departed. And these 1,5% were provided not by Western Ukraine, but by a new generation of the southeast, thinking in the European mainstream. Someone will say that the percentage of Yushchenko "drew." Even if so, the conditions allowed, because the difference was small. In 90, those who promised to make Russian the second state language became presidents. Today there is another message - Europe.

The reasons? Yes, those Russian brothers who were lucky enough to stay on the other side of the cordon after 1991 of the year, namely directly in the RSFSR, will be offended at me, the reason is the lack of communication, the umbilical cord with Greater Russia. And its inaction. Ukrainian melting pot, put on a slow fire, copes very well, just like in the experiment about a frog. The problem and the happiness of ethnic Russians in Ukraine is that Russian culture and Ukrainian are very, very close, so going to one of the other looks like, it may be an incorrect comparison, but as a change of toothpaste. Although everyone is to blame! And the "fresh" Russians, namely the families of the military, sent from the central regions of the RSFSR in Soviet times, where, as a result, the father officers did not look at the content of the history textbook of their children. What were you doing? That's right, in 90, they earned money as best they could, but at that hour a teacher with a Russian name, for example, in my school, in order not to lose her job, explained: “Russia is a prison of nations!” The “old” Russians, too, are to blame for abandoned the tradition. It is possible to once again criticize the USSR, to recall its cult of the “Soviet person”, but it is certainly the last one on the list of reasons for the dissolution of Russians in Ukraine over the last 22 of the year. Why are Russians passive? The majority became part of the consumer society, and they can be called conditionally Russian, just by their last names and communication on the great and powerful. Other, younger, of course. dissolved in the Ukrainians, well, and others live in the KPU regional committees.

Thus, in the medium term, without taking into account the economic and social upheavals, Ukraine can become ideologically relative to the Russian Federation Poland No. XXUMX. How is this possible? How can 2-6 million Russian, without taking into account the Russian-speaking Ukrainians, peretravit? And how is the history of the Pomor people possible in today's Russia?

There are many questions for which there are no answers yet ... One thing is clear: the farther from 1991 of the year, the more Sergey Ivanov from Kharkov will differ from Sergey Ivanov from Belgorod. The great Russian superethnos on the Great Russian Plain is bursting at the seams.
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  1. ammunition
    ammunition 27 November 2013 06: 34
    +4




    Nothing. We will endure this all policy .. Holy Russia-it is from the Carpathians to Kamchatka. love
    1. stayer
      stayer 27 November 2013 07: 29
      +4
      Quote: ammunition
      Holy Russia - it is from the Carpathians to Kamchatka. love

      She is from Germany to the Canadian border. The time will come and return yours.
      1. Apostle
        Apostle 27 November 2013 12: 07
        0
        In Ukraine, if we take out the city of Sevastopol, there is not a single Russian person who is less than 30 years old and who confidently position herself ethnically and spiritually Russian at a public or everyday level. Argue?

        Wow, wow, easier ... I am Russian, born in Belgorod, positioning myself as RUSSIAN, although I live in Kharkov more than 15 years, I often go to my hometown, I will soon return to my Homeland, and I don’t have 30 .. Like me in Ukraine Thousands, I know this firsthand, as I spent a huge amount of time in the Russian consulate, at registration of citizenship, an article is nonsense, it seems that some Ukrainian Natsik that calls himself a patriot wrote it! In Ukraine, more than you think, all Russian Eastern Ukraine is positioning itself with Russia, and believes Thu sooner or later it will come back under the wing of the Empire, and the fact that you hear only the cries of a handful of pseudo-patriots who not only do not reflect reality and distort it so it's just you minus..vprochem like your article.
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          27 November 2013 12: 30
          +6
          Apostle

          Wow, wow, easier ... I'm Russian, born in Belgorod, positioning myself as RUSSIAN, although I live in Kharkov more than 15 years, I often go to my hometown, I will soon return to my homeland, and I do not have 30 ..


          Well, first of all, there is no need to categorically "wow-wow". And secondly, dear. This article is not about you, but about Russian people of a young age, to whom independence knocked on in 1991 and led through school, institute and in the absence of such a subject as History of Russia.




          There are thousands of people like me in Ukraine, I know this firsthand, because I spent an enormous amount of time at the consulate of the Russian Federation, at registration of citizenship,


          Again, out of topic. Did you study from 1st to 11th grade in Ukraine? Did you take the introductory Ukrainian language and history at the university? Who's a thousand? You mean small border traffic and cooperation, but there are thousands of them, but not hundreds of thousands, and not millions. Do you know the concept - allegory, exaggeration? Listen, I grew up in Ukraine, and saw how in front of my eyes the everyday expression even went out of everyday life: "What the hell are you, not Russian?" "Don't you understand Russian?"


          article nonsense, it seems that her some Ukrainian Natsik that calls himself a patriot wrote!


          When arguments are missing. Sign go insults. I have been here for a long time at HE, I re-registered, and I do not consider it necessary to prove patriotism towards Great Russia. Those who know me are enough here.



          In Ukraine, Russians are more than dear to you, it seems the entire eastern Ukraine is positioning itself with Russia, and believes that sooner or later it will return under the wing of the Empire,


          I also want to believe in it. But unfortunately, more and more young Russian guys are putting yellow-flakit flags on their shoulders, singing hymns, and chanting UPA chants.


          and the fact that you hear only the cries of a handful of pseudo-patriots who do not just do not reflect reality, but distort it so this is only your minus .. however, like your article.


          I am the son of a Russian military father who was sent to serve in the Zaporozhye region in 1987. I saw how Soviet cartoons disappeared first, movies, how Russian television channels were turned off, when there was no cable yet, how it became fashionable to study in Ukrainian classes at school, etc. As in high school, our teachers with Russian surnames triumphantly spoke of Canadian historians and their works, and you drove back and forth and spinning in your juice. Communicated with the working peasants of the Perestroika era or even the Stagnation, and concluded that everything is in order in Eastern Ukraine. And I saw how in my companies, they started to be clumsy because they are Ukrainians. Although all my life they spoke in Russian and some were even with Russian surnames. Naturally for ethical reasons, I will not give names, surnames, photos, as they were on the Maidan in 2004. What's the point? You even went over the links of 4's facts.
          1. bogdan
            bogdan 27 November 2013 13: 02
            +9
            I live in Zaporozhye, half of my relatives live in Russia, unfortunately, I am ready to subscribe to every word of the author, the same thoughts and feelings, only I doubted, I thought it was my individual fabrication - I read the text and realized that it wasn’t.
            Almost all my friends and acquaintances, Russian-speaking, not connected in any way with Russia, are almost hostile to Russia, this is 20 years of painstaking work to create Ukrainians, and this is the inaction of Russia itself, struck by oligarchic capitalism. It is pointless to be offended by my words - by the fact that this is reality.
            When they finish with Ukraine, they will seriously take up Russia, there were already touchstones - the state of Siberia, Pomerania, the Far East, etc.
            Sadly, even here there are comrades from Russia who do not see Russians in Ukraine.
          2. Apostle
            Apostle 27 November 2013 13: 44
            +1
            Yes, I studied in Ukraine from 1 to 11 class, lived and grew up here in Kharkov (and continue to study and live here) .. I didn’t intend to insult, it was just a shame I was hurt for life (I agree the situation is complicated, but not so much that one comb).
            1. Nevsky_ZU
              27 November 2013 13: 49
              +4
              Quote: Apostle
              Yes, I studied in Ukraine from 1 to 11 class, lived and grew up here in Kharkov (and continue to study and live here) .. I didn’t intend to insult, it was just a shame I was hurt for life (I agree the situation is complicated, but not so much that one comb).


              In this case, you belong to those Russians who today have direct family ties in Russia or commercial and economic activities in the Russian Federation. This connection does not allow you to assimilate completely. They themselves said that you live in the rhythm of Kharkov-Belgorod and hang out in the consulate of the Russian Federation. Here you have the umbilical cord, connection with Greater Russia.
            2. Asgard
              Asgard 27 November 2013 14: 57
              +5
              Do not quarrel, raise your voice and use all sorts of words)))
              You both worry about the same thing, but in different words))) that’s how people are divided))
              Apostle & Nevsky, nicknames must oblige to something ...
              THE WORDS Apostle & Nevsky always led ...
              And you can’t agree among themselves)))))

              Respecting you AsGard))
          3. dark_65
            dark_65 27 November 2013 22: 31
            0
            I’m right, but I also want to add that if young people carry yellow-blue flags on their shoulders and yell, and their fathers are students of the Union who think in the old way ... what’s the way .. then it’s clear. Where comes 1.5%.
          4. biglow
            biglow 28 November 2013 03: 22
            -1
            the author of the article, you or someone alarmists, you need to at least come to Sevastopol and see how many young people gather on holidays, no one forces them to come, they are adults and they make their informed choice. In Crimea, there are also many workers from eastern Ukraine who are forced to go to work and their attitude is also entirely about Russian, this is especially evident in disputes with immigrants from western Ukraine ... The author is simply an alarmist ...
        2. alone
          alone 27 November 2013 18: 46
          +1
          Quote: Apostle
          Wow, wow, easier ... I'm Russian, born in Belgorod, positioning myself as RUSSIAN, although I live in Kharkov more than 15 years, I often go to my hometown, I will soon return to my homeland, and I do not have 30 ..


          judging by the cons, you are more than 30)) laughing
      2. Asgard
        Asgard 27 November 2013 14: 27
        +5
        Quote: stayer
        She is from Germany to the Canadian border. The time will come and return yours.

        You are looking into the future. Prospects for Russia (as it used to be)) From the Atlantic to the Pacific ....
        Have to control all of America, otherwise, the "infection" will hit Human Society again ...

        Stanislav (AUTHOR)) is right, they CREATED with Ukraine as with Poland, did a lot, but also missed some points))))) I won’t emphasize that we wouldn’t use it and correct it ...
        This is what will allow Ukraine - NOT TO REPEAT THE FATE OF THE FORMER "SLAVS-Pshek".
        Although the situation is running ...
        But it is the Ukrainians (Russian People)) who will begin the revival of Russia ...
        -This will not be Kievan Rus from the time of Christianization (then it was a betrayal)) and the last step to the disaster of Tartaria.
        Our magicians overlooked (although maybe I don’t understand something))))
        When I wrote about the grandfathers Ariev, I can advise you to take a closer look at a young man named Stanislav (with the speaking nickname Nevsky)))

        So, wait, in Ukraine everything is hypertrophied, and extremely polarized ....
        But these poles are few in number, there is still a very large "gray mass of undetermined" ....
        And they must ALWAYS join somewhere. For this, Yanukovych signs an association with the EU. And Ukraine is obliged to ruin Europe (by its introduction)), it is this that will happen, and not how they basically think (about polymers))))

        And for this, in Ukraine there should be ANYWHERE NOWERER (there is no other FAST option to make People move, NO))
        Almost no time left ....
        Otherwise, there will be a protracted, bloody, non-intellectual extermination of everything and everyone, with the obligatory regression and "monkeying" of the remaining People ..., the slide of society towards a primitive community ...

        In general, Stanislav wrote about this. A primitive communal system has already been built in Ukraine (with laptops, electricity, separate apartments with hot water, but with devastation in their heads))))
        It is your social / I activity that should become the "locomotive" of building Russia ....
        ... and first in Ukraine, from here the revival of the Russian People will go !!!!!!!

        But the article is good, it is about expectations and longing in the Soul ....., anticipation ...., an attempt to awaken People with the WORD, to force at least THINGS TO DO .....
        This is a "candle" in the hand of a philosopher who is looking for People ___________
        aU, People, respond)))))
        1. atalef
          atalef 27 November 2013 14: 37
          -1
          aU, People, respond)))))
      3. Dimka off
        Dimka off 1 December 2013 15: 09
        0
        that’s rightly said. We will return everything to ourselves.
  2. TAIM
    TAIM 27 November 2013 06: 34
    +8
    he himself was convinced of this when he came to Lugansk and Donetsk. talked to young guys. for them, Russia is some kind of semi-barbarian camp that in every way oppresses their homeland. an entire generation has grown up for which Russia so far may not be an enemy, but certainly not as a fraternal state. they have all their thoughts in the West. how good it is. satisfying. comfortable.
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 27 November 2013 07: 53
      +4
      Quote: TAIM
      . they have all the thoughts already in the West. how good it is. satisfying. cozy.

      Let them take an interest in the Baltic states, the Romanians, and other little brothers from the former socialist camp, as they are guest workers, this way will go on, then their people will not be left, everyone will run up to four sides. The EU is not bad at using the formula of the Roman Senate. DIVIDE AND RULE. Well, the United States embodied the Dales doctrine, chaffed the youth’s head.
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 06: 35
    12
    + The author and minus us, for not waging an ideological struggle for the minds. Now let glory shout to Ukraine, it will not change anything, the project "Ukraine" is coming to its logical conclusion. How it will be after, we'll see, we'll see.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 27 November 2013 07: 31
      17
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      , the project "Ukraine" is coming to its logical conclusion.

      So it’s already visible.A Russian-speaking Kharkov citizen, MP from the Party of Regions Inna Bogoslovskaya, who received thanks to the Soviet Union a free elite education and the right to go to graduate school at the USSR Academy of Sciences, urged Yanukovych not to go to the “scoop” and “not to allow yourself to bend under the small heel of a neighboring eastern emperor being born” return back to the negotiating table with the EU.
      Another regional deputy, Vladimir Oliinyk, just a couple of days ago, told television cameras that Russia had nothing to offer Ukraine, except for the “Soviet anthem”.
      Regionalena Yelena Bondarenko, who grew up in the Donbass and speaks Russian, called Yanukovych “the second Peter I”, who “cuts the window into Europe”, leading us away from the wild and impoverished Asia. Slivers, as you know, fly into ordinary citizens, whom the deputy called "meager."

      And as a consequence -Politicians poured so much poison into Ukrainian society that today Lviv residents hate Donbass miners, calling them "bandits." In response, from the south-east of Ukraine, the peasants of Galicia said: “Bandera!” Residents of Odessa, protesting the arrest of ex-deputy Markov, come out with the slogans: “Thank you Donetsk for the bandit power!” The agents of Moscow are heard in their direction from Kiev! Sevastopol sends away both those and others, and the third, dreaming of one thing - to let them go back to Russia.
      The country is split not into two, not into three parts, but into many small fragments that hate each other. This is the result of the activities of the “orange” and now the “blue and white” politicians.
      Yury Gorodnenko, political scientist (Kiev) Sasha hi !
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 07: 43
        +3
        Quote: Tersky
        Another regional deputy, Vladimir Oliinyk, just a couple of days ago, told television cameras that Russia had nothing to offer Ukraine, except for the “Soviet anthem”.

        Hello Vit! This is a struggle for power, if they talk about Russia well, then the peoples will quickly return to each other, that's why ... hi
      2. MG42
        MG42 27 November 2013 07: 47
        +5
        Quote: Tersky
        -Russian-speaking Kharkiv, MP from the Party of Regions Inna Bogoslovskaya


        This is the way from her personal site appeal

        http://www.inna.com.ua/ru/news/2398/

        I do not believe that on the day of St. Michael, Ukraine will crash to the ground, just starting to take off from the scoop and the wreckage of the Russian Empire.
        I do not believe that President Yanukovych, a large and strong leader, will allow him to bend under the small heel of the neighboring eastern born emperor.
        I do not believe that my children and grandchildren will have to feel like Little Russians again.
        I do not believe that Yanukovych does not understand that he has no right to lose the historic chance to become president of all of Ukraine.
        I do not believe that the team of the party in power does not know how to count and does not understand that it is almost impossible to win the presidential election under such conditions.
        I do not believe that Europe and the United States do not understand their responsibility to the world and will enable Russia to again build up its empire in mud, poverty and drunkenness.
        I do not believe that democracies will not find money and countervailing measures to help Ukraine recover losses from Russia's aggressive illegal measures to close markets.
        I believe that we will sign an association agreement and become stronger. Protect us Archangel Michael!


        Yanukovych's advisor Anna German is also PR >>

        Anna German during an interview said that today Ukraine has no other foreign policy vector other than European. The people's deputy from the government party noted that such a course was chosen by the whole Ukrainian people, and the president repeatedly emphasized this during his speeches.

        Among other things, she expressed confidence that, despite all the obstacles, the Association Agreement will be signed.


        http://hronika.info/politika/10750-anna-german-uverena-chto-soglashenie-ob-assoc
        iacii-budet-podpisano.html
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 27 November 2013 08: 27
          11
          This is the opinion of politicians, but over the course of 20 years the young generation has grown up and the same dogmas have been driven into their brains. I'm afraid that Ukraine is a cut chunk. I would be glad to be mistaken. hi
        2. uhjpysq1
          uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 12: 27
          +4
          theological is typically a Russian surname)) and German in general))) Jewish + Polish = dog-their surname.
      3. Sirocco
        Sirocco 27 November 2013 07: 58
        +4
        Quote: Tersky
        - Politicians poured so much poison into Ukrainian society that today Lviv residents hate Donbass miners, calling them "bandits."

        As I suppose, a partition of Ukraine is possible, the EU will probably bring it to life, Europe acts as they say in Ukraine. They will set fire to one essence, by golly.
      4. Peter 1
        Peter 1 27 November 2013 16: 36
        +4
        I confirm it myself from Ukraine, but I hate Bandera
  4. Edward72
    Edward72 27 November 2013 06: 35
    +7
    In Russia, too, the Swamp was, because it is not the whole of Russia, so 1000 is not the whole Khar Ukraine. And by and large something was tired of the performance of one jo ... th for two chairs.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      27 November 2013 11: 45
      +2
      Quote: Edward72
      In Russia, too, the Swamp was, because it is not the whole of Russia, so 1000 is not the whole Khar Ukraine. And by and large something was tired of the performance of one jo ... th for two chairs.


      I apologize. I just showed the trend over time. Show this photo to the residents of Donetsk 10 years ago, and they will twist their fingers at the wheel, saying that Donetsk is a Russian city, and this Bandera will never be on the stands of her football team Shakhtar, but 10 years have passed and the formation of Ukraine has done its job:
  5. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 27 November 2013 06: 49
    +7
    hi Well yes, Russia means a country of barbarians, “Russia is a prison of peoples!” and nevertheless, without Russia, the price of all "nEzalEzhnost" is a pittance. "Thanks" to Yeltsin and Kuchma ...
  6. mak210
    mak210 27 November 2013 06: 58
    +6
    Respect the strong and rich, and while we are weak and poor, they will not give a damn about us. No one wants to join the society of oligarchs, thieves and infuriated printers. Start with Serdyukov and Polonsky.
  7. Balko
    Balko 27 November 2013 06: 58
    12
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    + The author and minus us, for not waging an ideological struggle for the minds. Now let glory shout to Ukraine, it will not change anything, the project "Ukraine" is coming to its logical conclusion. How it will be after, we'll see, we'll see.

    Exactly! Again - "we'll see, we'll see" ... In the early 90s, we also shouted to the Russians: "Guys! Do not be silent!" In response, "Let's see ..." Looked, one generation has grown. Now please yourself that the project is coming to an end ... Well, let's wait a little longer ... While another generation grows up ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 November 2013 07: 18
      +3
      Quote: Balko
      . Now amuse yourself with the fact that the project is coming to an end ...

      Not at all, you yourself just wanted to live in storage, and now you dream of a beautiful life in the EU. Previously, when Russia did not have money (except for debts), who needed it in Ukraine? to nobody. But there ..... in Europe, paradise and it doesn’t matter that there are Catholics, that there is a different culture and geicenosis, it’s all not important. The main thing is for the stomach to be full of sneakers. Once upon a time, those who today call themselves Ukrainians have a large country - the Russian Empire, then the USSR and it was strong, but now there is a small, poor piece, but so proud and independent. One does not understand what pride is when there is no history, when there is no unity, and there is no independence either. But there is Russia strong and rich, which helped Ukraine, even when it was difficult itself. And the fact that those who spit in Russia today do not remember and do not want to know is not Russia's problems .Geimaidan is now in Kiev, not in Moscow hi
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 27 November 2013 07: 51
      +4
      Quote: Balko
      Now amuse yourself with the fact that the project is coming to an end ...
      No one consoles themselves, amuse you, Ukrainians, your media and your politicians with the fact that every day they repeat this phrase "civilizational choice", like a mantra, which means: "Do you want to be like Europe? - then you have to go to Europe, even if today you have to break everything for this. " And people believe in this, although this is just an emotional device that has nothing to do with reality. As long as the myth of the "civilizational choice" is strong, people are brainwashed not by the real problems of their country but by some dreams of a "bright future" in which many are , to get them out of there into reality, task number 1. This is YOUR task, not Russia!
    3. seller trucks
      seller trucks 27 November 2013 10: 14
      0
      Quote: Balko
      Have looked, one generation has grown. Now amuse yourself with the fact that the project is coming to an end ... Well, let's wait a little longer ... Until another generation grows up ...


      just don't get excited about this, let me remind you about the division of Germany by the allies, and its subsequent unification, almost three generations have grown up there, I would also remind you of the glorious guys from the Stasi, who kept the entire GDR in good shape and this is not for you That garbage from under the nails called the SBU, in the GDR it was tough with ideology.
    4. Nevsky_ZU
      27 November 2013 11: 50
      +3
      Quote: Balko
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      + The author and minus us, for not waging an ideological struggle for the minds. Now let glory shout to Ukraine, it will not change anything, the project "Ukraine" is coming to its logical conclusion. How it will be after, we'll see, we'll see.

      Exactly! Again - "we'll see, we'll see" ... In the early 90s, we also shouted to the Russians: "Guys! Do not be silent!" In response, "Let's see ..." Looked, one generation has grown. Now please yourself that the project is coming to an end ... Well, let's wait a little longer ... While another generation grows up ...


      I totally agree.

      Yesterday in the east of Ukraine, Russia would have been greeted with flowers, today with possible shots in the back, but on the whole with a smile, and tomorrow with bayonets with Lvov.
      1. uhjpysq1
        uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 12: 22
        -1
        what bayonets in FIGs))))))) from shovels))) cattle who will steer them. if only they would give them food.
  8. igorra
    igorra 27 November 2013 07: 09
    10
    In vain Putin dissuaded them from the association, they would have sipped shit like the Bulgarians, but the Poles would have fucked them, then they would have become more sane. As today's youth says: “We will learn from our mistakes, and leave yours to yourself.” You understand until they are pressed , none of the so-called fraternal peoples remembers us. And enough of living with other people's problems, our own in our country above the roof, can we deal with them?
    1. MG42
      MG42 27 November 2013 07: 38
      +5
      Quote: igorra
      In vain Putin dissuaded them from the association

      Putin dissuaded only Yanek and Azarov, the rest do not know the essence of behind-the-scenes negotiations, by the way, they sharply caught our prime minister on bullshit 2 days ago Gazprom refuted his words about the revision of gas contracts, and yesterday Putin in Italy confirmed that the price of gas until 2019 is unchanged at contract ..
      Quote: igorra
      drank shit like Bulgarians,

      But when Bulgaria asks for an exit from the EU, then yes, but for now it has also entered into the field, bros however, but meanwhile the EU is slurping shit from Romanian gypsies that they broke tens of thousands without visas and work permits to France, for example ..
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 27 November 2013 14: 20
      0
      Quote: igorra
      In vain Putin dissuaded them from the association

      Well, actually, Ukrainian enterprises owe us 30 billion ... Let them pay for a start. With profit, ess-no. And there ... And then there may be options with debts. Like: "Guys! We have no time to pay off our debts. We are integrating."
    3. uhjpysq1
      uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 14: 30
      -1
      We’ll take care of course. But we need to move the border further west.
  9. Stinger
    Stinger 27 November 2013 07: 15
    +5
    So they will run for the "best share". For 20 years we have made sure that they cannot live independently. Dreams don't come true. Digging, digging into the past, but dreams never come true. Everything seems that it is necessary to speak in language, as the heavy shackles will fall, the dungeons will collapse and Europe will greet us happily at the entrance, to paraphrase the garish boy Pushkin, and communism will finally come, when nothing needs to be done, but everything will be. And why do they need Russians if they never even got drunk on them?
  10. makarov
    makarov 27 November 2013 07: 23
    10
    When the author compares Ukraine with Poland, he forgets that there is no true nationality Pole in nature. Poland is a multinational country, and this is the goural, shlenzaki, masuria, mazov, etc.
    With regards to Ukraine. Let me give you a concrete example. Under Yushchenko, 2 days before September 4, the Russian-language class where my daughter studied was disbanded by orders vertically, and the children were "scattered" in the Ukrainian-language classes, my parents came to me with the words "help". I asked them the only question: - Are you ready to go all the way? They joked and announced that they were ready. I quickly nailed the admin. the claim sent him to court, to him an addition to secure claims. In the lawsuit, he described that the problem is precisely the language. For three days our children went to the gymnasium without textbooks, and were under the supervision of their parents, since the teachers were not allocated. Well, they tried to process me at different levels, but it didn't work out (the Russians don't give up). On the XNUMXth day, I brought to the gymnasium the court decisions on the immediate start of the educational process of the Russian-speaking class. And everything fell into place.
    I’ll say what I see now. Not in defense of Yushchenko. The authorities of Yanukovych (a friend of the Russian Federation) are now so rotten and seized the courts that the court will not make a similar decision NOW. SURE of it. The authorities are not patriots, but simply a gang, and by their sherry, in general, everything except money that needs to be stolen more from the budget. At what at all levels of government.
  11. MG42
    MG42 27 November 2013 07: 29
    0
    A very fresh video November 23 Lviv march of the same generation that is mentioned in the article, its ultra radical part >>

    A << Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes! >> not only radicals are shouting, but also moderates in the student sector.
  12. uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 08: 15
    0
    and brother goes to brother. so after 20 years. now this is still impossible on a large scale. but the precedents were already in the Chechen and Georgian wars. so it’s time to prepare for a war with Ukraine, no matter how wild it sounds. Because Svidomo is treated only with lead tablets.
  13. Nevsky_ZU
    27 November 2013 10: 04
    +6
    Quote: Sirocco
    Quote: TAIM
    . they have all the thoughts already in the West. how good it is. satisfying. cozy.

    Let them take an interest in the Baltic states, the Romanians, and other little brothers from the former socialist camp, as they are guest workers, this way will go on, then their people will not be left, everyone will run up to four sides. The EU is not bad at using the formula of the Roman Senate. DIVIDE AND RULE. Well, the United States embodied the Dales doctrine, chaffed the youth’s head.


    In Western Ukraine, they fanatically adore traveling to work in Italy, Greece, Portugal. For them, association with the EU is only a way to make it easier for you to cross the border and stay there.

    Why should they ask Romanians and Balts, when they, too, throw their seven on 5-15 for years and more to build their hacienda.

    Typical Western Ukrainian house in the picture, every second house in Western Ukraine is like that.

    They are not interested in the revival of industry. The most interesting thing is that in Western Ukraine, all believers, and without exception, are full of divorces and broken, and mixed families because of such "earnings". You can only hear: he threw the Zhinka, she found herself an Italian. In the East, gas, electricity, water, sewerage will be brought into the house and they will no longer ponte, and these paving slabs are put on the Western sidewalk even at the doghouse and in the chicken coop !!! ... But if you go into the house. then either mom or dad is not at home for years, or stepfathers and stepmothers live ... Invalid families there. But then they are materialists to the core.
    1. sapran
      sapran 27 November 2013 13: 17
      +3
      Well done. But then I’m driving through the Luhansk region, shaking off the fact that Ruin is worse than after the retreat of the Germans. Explain where the owners who are watching the house to which will pull gas and light? Lost or banged, or so, and what is the reason? Maybe just land is unprofitable or work in a zapadlo? how they want to live in the West, let them envy nothing. Keep order at home and it will be easier now.
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        27 November 2013 13: 25
        +5
        Quote: sapran
        Well done. But then I’m driving through the Luhansk region, shaking off the fact that Ruin is worse than after the retreat of the Germans. Explain where the owners who are watching the house to which will pull gas and light? Lost or banged, or so, and what is the reason? Maybe just land is unprofitable or work in a zapadlo? how they want to live in the West, let them envy nothing. Keep order at home and it will be easier now.


        Russian man - is a man of the state. He is a man of plants and factories. Heaven and cosmos. Yes, unfortunately, he lost his connection with the land of his mother. But he still does not abandon his relatives on 10-20 for years and does not go to wash away ... poo the Italian. He is not baptized at every corner, as a resident of Western Ukraine, but the families are more whole. Children see parents. Alcoholism and mismanagement? This is the result of the protracted 90-x in the industrial East of Ukraine. In the Russian Federation now the trend has started among the Russians - not to drink. Appeared a little wealth, and thought about the soul.
        1. sapran
          sapran 27 November 2013 13: 50
          0
          I do not know how on assholes, but the fact that "zapedenzi" drive and work strictly according to the schedule (father + two sons) came across this and the fact that their owners are waiting because they value work and quality. who of the "zapadentsev" understood this and he lives in labor and does not gorlanit too much and already knows several languages ​​at the level of communication there are just lumpen or who works according to the principle "and so it will come down" then naturally such only assholes and wipe Italians. and if you just thump and there yell at a neighbor that ".. the ugly daddy politra squeezed me to such a" spiritual "" then it's all in the Patrice Lummuba fund.
          Do you want to live well WORK conscientiously and think with your head what you DO.
          About the whole family it’s more likely to say to the statistics there, but about the children in orphanages with the parents still alive here 100% question to Luhansk, Donetsk Sumy and Kharkiv regions.
          1. Nevsky_ZU
            27 November 2013 14: 09
            +7
            Quote: sapran
            I do not know how on assholes, but the fact that "zapedenzi" drive and work strictly according to the schedule (father + two sons) came across this and the fact that their owners are waiting because they value work and quality. who of the "zapadentsev" understood this and he lives in labor and does not gorlanit too much and already knows several languages ​​at the level of communication there are just lumpen or who works according to the principle "and so it will come down" then naturally such only assholes and wipe Italians. and if you just thump and there yell at a neighbor that ".. the ugly daddy politra squeezed me to such a" spiritual "" then it's all in the Patrice Lummuba fund.
            Do you want to live well WORK conscientiously and think with your head what you DO.
            About the whole family it’s more likely to say to the statistics there, but about the children in orphanages with the parents still alive here 100% question to Luhansk, Donetsk Sumy and Kharkiv regions.


            I say, in Eastern Ukraine, the 90-e and the depressed state of the industry dragged on. Was there such a thing at the dawn of socialism in the 60's and 70's? Not! The whole Union built the Buran shuttle, space stations. Meanwhile, in Ternopil, they harbored a grudge against collectivization. And do not care for them were free kindergartens, trips to a sanatorium and other social packages. Why subbotniks? You need to make a gorgeous hut and impose a wall on the house - coat. Let the Russian lapatnik make a space rocket, but at this time his house in burdocks is overgrown and a wooden fence is strewing. Have you noticed that from Western Ukraine no one is ever interested in military innovations in aircraft and rocket production, tank and shipbuilding? But on the resources of the UPA, a lot of materials about small arms ... And in general there is never a discussion about inertial-impulsive engines, about how to fly to Mars.

            That is what kind of world we would have built if it were not for the team that brought Gorbachev to power:



            Yes, western Ukrainians are business executives. Believers people. With this, no one argues. But they are business executives of their home, farm. Everything is beautiful: the fence, tile, house. And space, matter? Yes, hi, American roby, m potіm fіlm podivyos gol_vudsky and iphone kapuyu for the garni pratsovit_st.

            Materialists in one word. And Russian dreamers who can make their dreams come true if the regime, form and type of power contributes.
            1. sapran
              sapran 27 November 2013 14: 46
              0
              Speak into space ...
              Missiles Scientific Centers were scattered in Russian villages, or were cities responsible for this direction?
              Peasants that In Russia, What is in Ukraine, What is in Belarus or there in Poland, he is either "the owner-plowman, golden hands" or Bukharik and the last bottom of the fence. Where can one think about space in a drunken stupor? Malice kollektivizatsiya high words-tax deduct from the produced and let the scientists investigate space for this money (and you have a weather forecast from this) and what you get from the "proletariat podzabornogo" that there is no sense in the collective farm - "mows" that there is no sense around the house thumps, he zhezh the proletariat give him the last brotherly drunk and why is space here?
              And according to interests, it depends on a person's warehouse. I passed exams at the VNZ for "scouts" of impassable bottoms, since this technique and the peculiarities of its device are like that to the bulb. There is a craving for the high, then you will reach for that from the village as an example of LOMONOSOV ...
              1. Nevsky_ZU
                27 November 2013 15: 15
                +4
                sapran

                Missiles Scientific Centers were scattered in Russian villages, or were cities responsible for this direction?


                Well, you by God, as small. Well, first, not the village, and the village. The Russians began to leave the villages en masse since the middle of the 20 century and reached the cities. The USSR gave excellent social elevators. There was a creative emancipation and self-realization. More detail and scientific, can be found here:



                Western Ukraine, did not feel this all-Union mainstream for several reasons:

                1. There later came the Soviet government.

                2. They were part of Western civilization as a result of the betrayal of the Russian land. All these unii, polonization. Greek Catholics, loan interest, Magdeburg Law.

                There is a craving for high, and you will reach the example of LOMONOSOV from the village ...


                This is an exception. When I was a junior in the 90 as a teenager, I had a man with me in a couple, my shirt was dirty, and I often used fumes. In your eyes (for Russian-speaking Russophobes) a typical Russian man. So he, in the absence of a ruler, calculators, such calculations and formulas in the sand gave out that today's high school student would have stood on the spot. This was called Soviet education. But for whom am I crucifying here, wasting my time? For the Russian-speaking consumer. Who believes that he lives in an era of opportunity and technology. For example, the time when the store has a dog grooming machine with all the nozzles and recommendations from stylists for pets. we are in different worlds and categories. Without noticing it, you started thinking and living with your stomach.

                This video I dedicate to you, a typical consumer, the discussion is over:

                1. sapran
                  sapran 27 November 2013 16: 39
                  0
                  Your right to that end is over.
                  If for you everything is so exclusive, then it is a sin to speak against something. Live further in "your" world where all the fault is on the Spotted Bear and we would live happily in space, but only in the "beautiful distant".
                  1. Nevsky_ZU
                    27 November 2013 16: 59
                    +1
                    Quote: sapran
                    Your right to that end is over.
                    If for you everything is so exclusive, then it is a sin to speak against something. Live further in "your" world where all the fault is on the Spotted Bear and we would live happily in space, but only in the "beautiful distant".


                    When the USSR collapsed, I was 5 years old. What do I remember, except for an artificial shortage, caused by the law on cooperatives?
                    First, I flew by plane to my grandmother in Novosibirsk from the small 100 of the thousandth city of Berdyansk, of course, through the Moscow air hub.

                    To say that today there is the airport?

                    Secondly, every weekend, we were taken from the kindergarten by a red "Ekarus" bus to the sea. Today they take money for it and rarely do it.

                    Thirdly, my elder comrades saw Baikal. What do you say about this? And today you can go! But it was our one big Motherland !!! Where this lake also has a village, where there is a boy Andrei, just like on your street who speaks 1 language with you and plays the same
                    games!!!

                    Live further in "your" world where all the blame is on the Spotted Bear


                    No need to water it with primitive. You are a smart person, and you know that the "Bear" was led, that the Union's economy was brought down purposefully, and not because of the liberal myth that the planned economy could not guess the needs of a Soviet woman in a kind of tights. And the consumption virus itself was introduced by Khrushchev.

                    And we would live happily in space, but only in "beautiful distant".


                    Yeah, hinting at the good old children's fantastic Soviet film / series "Guest from the Future". Do you now and your children have a good life in the absence of children's Russian or even Ukrainian cinema? Content with Spider-Man? Or do you show children on YouTube old Soviet films that had an educational function: honesty, morality and justice? "

                    Look at least 2 minutes, and understand what kind of civilization we lost:



                    And you're talking about supplements to salaries in% of the amount of knowledge of languages. You are already there in a dead end ..

                    If you do not believe the damned Russian, who dreams of communism, then believe your Idol, the representative of Western civilization:

                    1. sapran
                      sapran 27 November 2013 17: 14
                      -2
                      Strange you honestly. I admit nostalgia for the USSR your family lived well this is fine.
                      It seems that he lived in the USSR for more than you and father and mother worked in black, but I can't say idyll or light. Running in queues for milk or sausage is the same "consumerism" that is not kosher one had to live in spirit! I agree, but here it is, and specifically in the Dovzhenko cinema during the daytime session in the very middle of the film, the light and little people in gray and not so suits are turned on. a parasite, but only from a flight and a family in the cinema led as with such work and before divorce "not far".
                      You lived well in the USSR, I am sincerely glad for you.
                      In my family, NO one thinks so, so many people have so many views.
                      1. Nevsky_ZU
                        27 November 2013 17: 41
                        +1
                        You lived well in the USSR, I am sincerely glad for you.
                        In my family, NO one thinks so, so many people have so many views.

                        But the market is cruel and cunning, each time it will force us to turn and spin faster to be afloat, and not fall to the social bottom. But you want not only material needs, but also time with your family to spend after work. And then European integration, the EU, by analogy with Bulgaria, requires Ukraine to close (of course not all) a couple of nuclear power plants in support of the environment, transfer the energy market to Western companies, and that's what I see, the residents of Sofia (Kiev) rejoice at the invisible hand of the market, the receipts came from 3- m fad ?! :



                        Running in queues for milk or sausage is the same "consumerism" that is not kosher one had to live in spirit!


                        Well, this respected began with the arrival of the Bear. The 70 and 60 were radically different. Here I advise you to look. Many do not need to watch, Only with 6: 30 to 9: 30. Extreme 3 minutes for a liberal:

                      2. sapran
                        sapran 27 November 2013 17: 50
                        0
                        and who says it will be easy and cheerful? You see how people in Moscow rush like institutes.
                        Back to the top Want to live know how to spin!
                      3. Nevsky_ZU
                        27 November 2013 17: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: sapran
                        and who says it will be easy and cheerful? You see how people in Moscow rush like institutes.
                        Back to the top Want to live know how to spin!


                        In this we are different with you, boyfriend.Real Russians do not abandon their own and everywhere are fighting for justice. We will take our shirt off the last one for the brother and not only ...

                        But not Moscow's expense, we will burn this city of sins when we are reborn. And you chase after money and loan%
                      4. sapran
                        sapran 27 November 2013 18: 25
                        0
                        A lot of pathos. I will ask one not modest question:
                        -What have you seen in your life that you speak so pathetically?
                        I personally saw starving Africa, saw how they shoot with a smile, how "stupid" from the difficulty of making a decision ... Have you seen this? (I already wrote that I went from a conscious international to racist views on what is happening there) Honestly, I don't want this at home ...
                      5. Nevsky_ZU
                        27 November 2013 18: 57
                        +2
                        Paphos, - to share with your friends? Paphos to defend the idea of ​​the "Russian World"? Paphos - to defend justice ?! I want to return the Motherland, grandfathers and great-grandfathers, from the Carpathians to Alaska. I cannot stand aside when the guys who have been speaking Russian all their lives, and even with Russian surnames, begin to beat in ecstasy: "Glory to Ukraine! Death to the Enemies" History repeats itself, it remains to come up with a new union and that's it.

                        I already wrote that from the way from conscious International to racist views


                        I was once a liberal, and it’s just the memories that make me sick. Have I seen death? No. Do I want civil? No. But my hometown of Berdyansk was founded by Count Vorontsov in 1827 on the northern coast of the Azov Sea, as was the city of Yeisk on the east coast. Both there and there 90% speak Russian. True, in Yeisk, in the Krasnodar Territory, they study from the history textbooks of Russia, and we have Ukraine. In 1991, my parents voted to preserve the USSR. And to the point. For 112 thousand population, there is not even a monument to Taras Shevchenko in the city. It's just that the city has always been Russian, it's not even Cherkassy, ​​which the "evil" Russians russified !!! This is the Russian land, to the development of which under Catherine went from all over central Russia. The entire axis of the southern cities of Ukraine is Novorossia! This is not even Little Russia, which is endlessly fought for on the forums. Although I love and respect the USSR, Lenin made a mistake by including the axis: Odessa-Novoazovsk in the Ukrainian SSR. With the same success it was possible to give up Rostov and reach Volgograd. This is our land and it is possible and worth dying for!
                      6. sapran
                        sapran 27 November 2013 19: 11
                        +1
                        Sorry ... I have no more questions ....
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                    2. uhjpysq1
                      uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 19: 17
                      +2
                      just start, and there we will catch up. It’s time to pull off these flagged, non-rag rags from the flagpoles !!!
          2. uhjpysq1
            uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 17: 41
            -1
            )) Well, well, let's still rot here to us about the bloody gebnyu)))))))))))
  • Anper
    Anper 27 November 2013 17: 34
    +1
    Pharisees, not "believers"And the abominations of these" believing "people are simply unpleasant to disclose as proof. By the way, they themselves admit it when they are alone with you, and in public - no, no.
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  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 27 November 2013 11: 02
    +5
    Every year I visit the homeland of my ancestors, Ukraine in its very eastern part - Kharkov. It is noticeable that both thoughts and people are changing rapidly. Well, for example, my friends transferred their children from a Russian school to a Ukrainian one. The media are muttering around the clock about the intrigues of the "northern neighbor" who wants to deprive Ukraine of its sovereignty. Therefore, unfortunately, the deep split between the ethnic groups of Russia and Ukraine is deepening.
    1. Korben
      Korben 27 November 2013 13: 10
      +4
      Translated from the Russian school in the Ukrainian not for ideological reasons! And because examinations in universities, higher education, office work in the Ukrainian language! It is easier for a child to learn at school than to rebuild later! As a result, young children begin to speak surzhik and make many grammatical errors.
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        27 November 2013 13: 18
        +4
        Quote: Korben
        Translated from the Russian school in the Ukrainian not for ideological reasons! And because examinations in universities, higher education, office work in the Ukrainian language! It is easier for a child to learn at school than to rebuild later! As a result, young children begin to speak surzhik and make many grammatical errors.


        I know this problem. As a result, the child doesn’t really know from the point of view of grammar neither Russian nor Ukrainian.

        At one time, in order to enter a university, I hired a tutor in the Ukrainian language, spent a lot of money, as a result, I wrote a dictation in Ukrainian on "3". So I had to bribe ... sad
        1. uhjpysq1
          uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 14: 19
          -1
          and as the end of the last name, they will force you to rewrite from -s and -in to -ko and -uk, what you will do. but?!
  • Ross
    Ross 27 November 2013 11: 53
    0
    Quote: Balko
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    + The author and minus us, for not waging an ideological struggle for the minds. Now let glory shout to Ukraine, it will not change anything, the project "Ukraine" is coming to its logical conclusion. How it will be after, we'll see, we'll see.

    Exactly! Again - "we'll see, we'll see" ... In the early 90s, we also shouted to the Russians: "Guys! Do not be silent!" In response, "Let's see ..." Looked, one generation has grown. Now please yourself that the project is coming to an end ... Well, let's wait a little longer ... While another generation grows up ...

    Very correct thought! Remember Moses 40 years bringing up a new generation of Jews ... The same thing happens with the young Ukrainian generation. Still not able to think independently and accept all propaganda on faith ...
  • Ross
    Ross 27 November 2013 11: 54
    0
    Quote: Balko
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    + The author and minus us, for not waging an ideological struggle for the minds. Now let glory shout to Ukraine, it will not change anything, the project "Ukraine" is coming to its logical conclusion. How it will be after, we'll see, we'll see.

    Exactly! Again - "we'll see, we'll see" ... In the early 90s, we also shouted to the Russians: "Guys! Do not be silent!" In response, "Let's see ..." Looked, one generation has grown. Now please yourself that the project is coming to an end ... Well, let's wait a little longer ... While another generation grows up ...

    Very correct thought! Remember Moses 40 years bringing up a new generation of Jews ... The same thing happens with the young Ukrainian generation. Still not able to think independently and accept all propaganda on faith ...
  • uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 12: 16
    -1
    if you do not want to be Russian, how to make it ????? and not figs whining that Russia does not help. they themselves brought up their children. In the olden days they defended the Russian Pravdu with arms in their hands. But the heroes are not you.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      27 November 2013 12: 32
      +1
      Quote: uhjpysq1
      if you do not want to be Russian, how to make it ????? and not figs whining that Russia does not help. they themselves brought up their children. In the olden days they defended the Russian Pravdu with arms in their hands. But the heroes are not you.


      Probably you are right. Bitter truth.
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 27 November 2013 13: 17
    +1
    Why go so far Stanislav
    Liss. RU 25 November 2013 10: 44
    I want to make a reservation right away that almost all relatives are in Ukraine.
    What is the future with Nenka?
    Yes, not a damn good.
    Refusal to start Eurointegration is a freeze frame with a fall. The movie will go, the fall will continue.
    Union with Europe is a complete * oop for the "independence of the land", which the KraKuchYushchyans have been talking about for so long.
    The alliance with Russia is smaller, but also * oops.
    What does Russia "have to offer" to its "sister"? What is this "fishing rod" that we will give a friend to catch fish? Modernizing the economy? The rise of the village? Innovative technology? Employment for Gaster?
    All the same, no, because in the land of birches, despite the unique financial capabilities and with the centralization of power in the same hands, Nothing has been done. We continue to export the "blood of the earth". That's how we live. All our ambitious projects are geared towards raw materials. All prospects are in the extraction of minerals.
    For "show-off" at the international level (or for people?) - the Universiade-Olympic-championship marathon, accompanied by summits worth billions.
    The Skolkovo project was promoted as a breakthrough, and Serdyukov from the economy Chubais is at the head. Somehow I can’t believe that the project will be successful. Yes, and they are silent about him already in a rag.
    Yes, a lot of what we have behind the window of a non-drinking ...
    And what now: "Hurray, Ukraine is with us?" Are we ready to take responsibility for the state of affairs in Ukraine, when we ourselves have a brothel on wheels in the country? Or will we strengthen our "brotherly ties" with another loan for gas and pensions? So what's the brotherhood here?
    Yanyk did not go to Ev-pu, as he was afraid not only not to be re-elected, but simply to be swept away after the "proposed" "reforms" to him.
    Russia, on the other hand, found itself in a losing position, Ukraine did not reach the floor. With the EU, this would have happened sooner and more painfully, with the RF-Ukraine falls with an umbrella in hand. The trouble is, when she slams on the floor, the first words will be - "From, * la, could not give a parachute!", And not "Dyakuyu for parasolka!" There will be accusations that "life was broken" by obstructing the EU.

    Here is the most interesting in his opinion (Bzezhinsky's words) solution to the problem with relatives and Ukraine
    Mutual love could have turned out when it would have been necessary to "wash-warm-up-intoxicate", that is, - after gulkes in the EU.
    What's the conclusion? To be an "R" "empire" (as Z. Bzezhinsky used to say, only with "U" is possible) it is necessary to create conditions, "to change the brains of our" servants "so that the country is considered a family. So that the neighbors strive to become subjects, and not stupidly buy them loyalty.
    There will always be an opportunity to outbid such neighbors.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 27 November 2013 13: 25
    +3
    There will be no Ukraine, and on that day there will be no Ukrainians.
  • Nevsky_ZU
    27 November 2013 14: 24
    +4
    Quote: uhjpysq1
    and as the end of the last name, they will force you to rewrite from -s and -in to -ko and -uk, what you will do. but?!


    But this is a myth. My surname is ending. And no harassment. Works melting pot. You what? If we were persecuted as in the Baltic States, we would have grouped together a long time ago and were with Russia. There are no problems for Russians in Ukraine. There is one, they themselves do not want to be Russian. Why? So that you finally understand the reason, and why Russian-speaking Russophobes appear, I recommend here:

    http://topwar.ru/22679-manifest-k-russkim-na-ukraine-dopolnennyy.html

    Manifesto to Russian in Ukraine! (supplemented)
    1. uhjpysq1
      uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 14: 52
      -1
      How are there no problems? they themselves write that without knowledge of the prospects for 0. there is no study and work will not be. just and you give your children your banderlog. melting pot))) with whom they have rafted. with eurholy, yes by the fascists.))) but you are joining.)) some sort of cancer will soon be put to you soon.
      1. sapran
        sapran 27 November 2013 14: 59
        0
        Olya ?! As you wrote, it became so very scary. You know Ukrainian well know English + 10-25% to a salary; you know a language from the Middle East + 100% to a salary; Knowing a lot of languages ​​is not even bad ...
        You know Domna well done, you control the electric arc furnace honor. Masters in their field are needed by any state and business. What can not be said about the parasites, they are pulled to the bottom.
        1. uhjpysq1
          uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 15: 24
          0
          ) it’s not a matter of how many languages ​​you learn. And who you consider yourself to be the nation. You can’t be Russian and don’t speak, write, read Russian. Finally, think about it in Ukraine. Squeeze the Russian spirit out of people. Replace fat with dummies)) you are here telling me the percentage of the salary. so you’re already mutating.)) but how will you become Ivan Dulin you will be thrown some more money)))))) these are needed in Europe))
          1. sapran
            sapran 27 November 2013 16: 29
            +1
            It is hard for me to "mutate" because during the USSR I was recorded as a Ukrainian, like my parents and my children. I don't see the point of working with a weather vane, only the children are better than me (they speak Ukrainian cleaner and melodiously. And Ivans Dulins This is pardon "... who is talking about what, but millet on the trigger ..."
            1. uhjpysq1
              uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 16: 42
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              )) kondovy Ukrainians)) you are already born a mutant. grandfathers fall even before the Fritzes fawned.
              1. sapran
                sapran 27 November 2013 16: 52
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                Miss the insult about me. But the grandfather of the past Finnish and until 1943 the Great Patriotic War, I do not advise to abduct the pillowcase!
                Although you may just be a typical provocateur? Alya show what face in Russian? So, thanks to years of service, I have friends both in Russia and abroad, so who are these Russian people you will not push your tricks to worsen relations (any nation has lice)
                1. uhjpysq1
                  uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 17: 19
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                  ) grandfather then you were smarter to see.) and the fact that in Russia already look at the Ukrainians askew is a fact. and you are to blame for this. we remember what songs you sang in the 90s.
                  1. sapran
                    sapran 27 November 2013 17: 24
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                    By your diligence they are. And who sang so that time will judge everything and put it in its place
                    1. uhjpysq1
                      uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 17: 49
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                      so mine)))))))) it was necessary for Beria to finish all Bandera at once. they regretted it, but in vain. again a filthy tribe grew.
                      1. sapran
                        sapran 27 November 2013 17: 52
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                        I could probably have finished! and so probably all the same "could not" or something is wrong?
                      2. uhjpysq1
                        uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 18: 11
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                        )) workers needed hands) and we are kind-Russian)) my grandfather talked about those matters)) and I didn’t make mistakes in the war)) prisoners should not be taken)))))
                      3. sapran
                        sapran 27 November 2013 18: 27
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                        ... stinging Vovk to a mare, burying her tail and gnawing ... where something like this?
                      4. uhjpysq1
                        uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 18: 37
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                        how many wolves do not feed, everyone is looking into the forest.)) it's about you
  • Nevsky_ZU
    27 November 2013 15: 23
    +3
    Quote: uhjpysq1
    How are there no problems? they themselves write that without knowledge of the prospects for 0. there is no study and work will not be. just and you give your children your banderlog. melting pot))) with whom they have rafted. with eurholy, yes by the fascists.))) but you are joining.)) some sort of cancer will soon be put to you soon.


    Dig deeper. If everything were as simple as you say, then Ukraine would have disintegrated. Do you want to see the reaction of a resident of the sample of 1991 from a resident of Ukraine in 2013, to the consequences that happened after 22,5 years ?! Russians were given passports, unlike the Baltic states. They can do business, vote, be elected, but everything is within the framework of the Ukraine project. Everywhere there is Russian speech on the streets of eastern cities ... But they are no longer the same Russians that they were in 1991. They do not teach Russian-Turkish wars, dynasties and the rule of Russian tsars in school, they sometimes even teach in Russian - what a good Bandera is. A resident of Zaporozhye mentally did not differ from Rostov. Now it is different. Why and how, we read again here:

    http://topwar.ru/22679-manifest-k-russkim-na-ukraine-dopolnennyy.html

    Manifesto to Russian in Ukraine! (supplemented)
  • Semurg
    Semurg 27 November 2013 15: 36
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    Russians always wrote, Ukrainians are one people. After reading the article, it turns out that the Russians and Ukrainians still recognize one nation as Russian, and if they recognize themselves as one nation but Ukrainians, is that already not it? Or all the same, two nations? If so, then young Russians in Ukraine develop civic patriotism, when your homeland is the main thing. Well, if they study the history and language of their homeland, this is a minus then that is a plus. Of course, in the history of Ukraine it can be written not like in the history of Russia, but they study the history of Ukraine and not the history of Russia.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      27 November 2013 15: 49
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      [b] Semurg [/ b]

      Quote: [b
      Semurg [/ b]] always wrote Russian, Ukrainians one people. After reading the article, it turns out that Russians and Ukrainians are one people while recognizing themselves as Russians, and if they recognize themselves as one people, but Ukrainians, is this not the same? Or all the same two people? If so, young patriots in Ukraine appear in Ukraine when the main thing is your Motherland. Well, if you study the history and language of your Motherland, this is a minus then that is a plus. Of course, in the history of Ukraine it may not be written like in the history of Russia, but they study the history of Ukraine and not the history of Russia.


      You generally and simply wrote. I cannot write many things here, otherwise I will be accused of Ukrainophobia. I will say more clearly. It is literally about people with the name - Sergei, and with the last name, - Ivanov. It does not raise the topic of the classic Ukrainian surnames: Sidorenko, Kovalchuk, Shevchenko, but whose speakers communicate in Russian. The same footballer Shevchenko speaks Russian. Like Klitschko, before politics. From the point of view of the Ukrainian nationalists, the bloody Russia Russified them. Therefore, this topic is not discussed, so as not to srach. There are 100% ethnic Russians in Ukraine, with last names: Ivanov, Petrov, Sidorov. You can make sure of this if you just open the telephone directory, for example, in Dnepropetrovsk.

      Why do we need to share what, in terms of imperial Russian nationalism, is the Great Russian people? I explain that the ethnic Russian people in Ukraine have always been the core of Russian culture and identity for all who accepted Russia into their heart and soul. He did not give Little Russia to become like Galicia. Now the Russians have not only ceased to resist the Galician culture of western Ukraine, but are ready to become part of it, both consciously and unconsciously, for example, by sending a child to a Ukrainian school, so that it will be easier for him to achieve success in Ukraine. Well, something like this ...

      For example, the very concept of the Russian community in Lugansk, where they say 97% in Russian, causes laughter. Such a community can be opened in Ryazan. But in Lviv just right. The tragedy is that the death of the Russian ethnos stretched over time. After all, the performer. the bailiff, by the name of Ivanov, cannot evict another Ivanov from his apartment in Mariupol, but is he a non-citizen like in the Baltics? Too many Russians. Therefore, gradually ... year after year in school, in the media, etc.
    2. uhjpysq1
      uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 16: 50
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      what distinguishes one nation from another. by birth and by language. erysipelas we have one. language remains. where is the language there and culture, where is culture and history there.))) they will learn the history of Ethiopia from childhood, they will be Ethiopians)
  • uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 27 November 2013 15: 50
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    then is it possible to consider him Russian. how does he differ from an American of Russian origin? a set of genes is no more. but by halo group and a Pole cannot be distinguished from a Russian)))))))) but you just have to say the word, everything is enemies. Poles) in WWII for an extra crust they went to serve the Germans. betrayal begins with that "my house is on the edge." (by the way, a purely Ukrainian proverb)
  • Nevsky_ZU
    27 November 2013 16: 01
    +3
    Quote: uhjpysq1
    then is it possible to consider him Russian. how does he differ from an American of Russian origin? a set of genes is no more. but by halo group and a Pole cannot be distinguished from a Russian)))))))) but you just have to say the word, everything is enemies. Poles) in WWII for an extra crust they went to serve the Germans. betrayal begins with that "my house is on the edge." (by the way, a purely Ukrainian proverb)


    Therefore, be careful in Russia. When you appear in Arkhangelsk all sorts - the Pomorian peoples, and ah the chairmen with the names of-ov-.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 27 November 2013 16: 02
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    A very serious topic and very sensitive. We had a wave of change of names and surnames to Estonian, though it quickly died out, because this was not titular for the inside, they are monitoring the purity of blood.
    But this suggests that Russia, imbued with liberalism, betraying not only us, Russians in the "scattering", but, in many respects, of its own Russians, gave impetus to the movement of adaptation to the surrounding reality. And it is such that Russians are dearer to themselves, Russophobes and neo-Nazis are everywhere. Therefore, in our country and in Latvia, there are more stateless persons (stateless persons) than citizens of Russia (to get it, the natives of the USSR, one spit).
    Therefore, at the last census, a bunch of Russians turned out to be Izhora ...
  • gen-48
    gen-48 27 November 2013 17: 36
    +3
    Boys from Ukraine certainly know better. But the author of the article is probably right. Over two decades, generations have grown for which - Russia is no more than an occasion to nostalgia for their parents. And the leaders of Russia over the years have not done anything to bring nations closer together. All are obsessed with calculating the dough. Gas, oil, gas, oil ... The flywheel has been launched for a long time and in 10-15 years the citizens of our countries will treat each other as a Danish Bulgarian. We have nothing to share, but who is listening to us.