Isolationism and expansionism. Should I believe in the "retreat of America"

Many commentators perceive the beginning of negotiations with the participation of the United States and Iran as the beginning of "America’s retreat from the international arena."

As far as I know, in the United States of America almost from the moment of their foundation, two seemingly opposite directions were very active - isolationism and messianism.

On the one hand, the MUH every now and then proclaim slogans in the spirit of complete self-isolation, on the other hand, regularly declare their model of life - the best for the whole world. The latter, generally speaking, is somewhat strange, because the structure created by fugitives from around the world can hardly be useful for those who have no reason to run away.

Insulationism was very popular with MUH, as long as they were too weak for external expansion. Say, proclaimed by the fifth (only!) MHA President James Spensovich Monroe, the America for Americans doctrine was intended to make room for the MHA expansion to the south (in the north was Canada owned by the British, and an attempt to seize it in 1812, the The fourth president (and co-author of the MUH constitution), James D. Jemsoviche Madison, has already turned into the burning of Washington - the capital of the MUH - in 1814, from stronger competitors - that is, in fact, it combined isolationism and expansionism.

Now the MUH seems to have no open opponents. Nevertheless, they are forced to conduct foreign policy even tougher. After all, now the whole MUH economy is built in such a way that it simply cannot exist in its own juice, but is completely doomed to expansion, to seize the maximum amount of resources (and above all - markets) in other places.

Therefore, in the foreseeable future, American statements about isolationism are doomed to remain beautiful, but impractical slogans. Regardless of what ordinary American citizens want, it’s impossible to ensure their well-being without further expansion.

And since politics is a concentrated expression of economics, there is no doubt that American policy will remain expansionary in the foreseeable future, while isolationism will remain in the realm of unworkable slogans.

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[Canep]

Sergey Lavrov: implementation of agreements on Iran leaves no reason to deploy missile defense in Europe

Such a headline appeared on RT yesterday. Lavrov needs to erect a monument during his lifetime, to crank up such a multi-way, for 10 years the Americans could not agree on the Iranian nuclear program. He collected them, and in two weeks he led to the result, knocking out the soil from under the legs of the European missile defense.

[JIaIIoTb]

Quote: Canep

a monument in life to put

Moreover, from pure gold in full size.

Now, apparently, the time will come for North Korea. Because the United States will justify its European missile defense by this country.

[silver_roman]

Exactly. I thought the same thing. It is also necessary to disarm Kim ... though he was not made with a finger.

[APES]

Quote: Canep

from under the europro

You forgot about the threat of North Korea

Now Lavrov needs to combine them, then there will definitely not be any soil left - although the question is (depending on which base they will unite - north or south)

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Canep

knocking the soil out of under the EuroPro

Iran is an excuse and nothing more, they will now say that from a possible strike by North Korea. Nothing will change their position on missile defense, since it is against Russia.

[Nikolay D.]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

ABM, since it is against Russia.

Well, on the one hand, Kissinger screams about the creation of a new, omnipotent US-China-Russia triangle and the fight against world terrorism, which, in essence, they themselves created, and on the other hand, Barack’s talks about exceptionalism and its expansion around the world into missiles, missile defense, etc.
So now the United States is like a rat driven into a corner, under sweet speeches so that it does not eat, getting ready to jump in the face.

[Vasek]

Already twisted:

"The NATO missile defense system is not aimed at protecting against any particular country. It is about protecting against a real and growing threat, and we need real defense against a real threat," a member of the alliance's staff in Brussels commented on Lavrov's statement.

He explained: "We know that more than 30 countries have or are acquiring ballistic missile technology, which ultimately can be used as carriers not only for conventional warheads, but also for weapons of mass destruction." The officer added that there are no grounds for revising the ABM agreements.

[domokl]

Quote: Canep

. Lavrov needs a monument during his life

An interesting point ... Indeed, we will wait for who will be appointed now the thunderstorm of Europe Lavrov, in one phrase, knocked out a chair from under the thick asses of many European hawks.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Canep

knocking the soil out of under the EuroPro

They will find another reason for accommodation, be sure.

[abrakadabre]

They will find another reason for accommodation, be sure.
Like Porthos: "I'm getting married ... because I'm getting married!"

[ShturmKGB]

Wasserman burns as always)

[Grandson of Veteran]

"He collected them, and in two weeks he brought to a result, knocking the ground out from under the feet of the European missile defense system."
Not just knocked the ground out, but actually eliminated the main, in the opinion of the Americans, reason for the creation of missile defense in Europe. But I do not believe that the Americans will take and refuse this program like that, and they have spent a lot of money and allies (Poland, the Czech Republic, etc.) have been let down for the monastery. But the new reason for the Euro missile defense can only be anecdotal - well, not against Venezuela, they will now create it. Lavrov-Genius of diplomacy!

[silver_roman]

Iran’s statement about the missile threat has always been idiotic and perceived as nonsense. What prevents them from coming up with another duck, in which no one will believe, but which will serve as an excuse for the further deployment of the euro pro ???
moreover, nobody canceled the "terrifying danger" from the DPRK. The EURO PRO segment in Europe will insure the Asian segment.
It is just that then the loss of the "mask of partnership" between our states will finally become obvious. In the backstage, and so it was always clear "hu is hu"!

[Yuri Y.]

Quote: silver_roman

Iran’s statement about the missile threat has always been idiotic and perceived as nonsense.

Exactly, they will come up with something like terrorists wherever they find, steal. In theory, not less nonsense but the old one was used for motivation.

[alone]

Quote: Canep

Such a headline appeared on RT yesterday. Lavrov needs to erect a monument during his lifetime, to crank up such a multi-way, for 10 years the Americans could not agree on the Iranian nuclear program. He collected them, and in two weeks he led to the result, knocking out the soil from under the legs of the European missile defense.

Are you sure about this? and what if these two "irreconcilable" 10 years drove the whole world around their finger imitating attempts to come to an agreement. And what about America’s opposition in the Iranian issue, it’s not logical to sound. It’s just that Iran has moved away from its position, selling the right to nuclear weapons for 4,2 , XNUMX billion dollars.

[mirag2]

A few words about isolationism — here he is absolutely right — as soon as our missiles were in Cuba, the USA faced such a situation that plunged them into a stupor, and because of this they broke firewood.
But by and large, Kennedy died because of this ...

[catapractic]

the American economy is a pyramid and it is it that determines foreign policy. The pyramid needs expansion and capture, otherwise it will die so that there can be no talk of isolationism.

[domokl]

Quote: cataphractium

the American economy is a pyramid and it is it that determines the foreign policy

Well, this formula applies to everyone. Not just Americans — Politics is a concentrated economy, and war is the continuation of politics, only in other ways. It has been said more than a century ago.
The pyramid just does not need anything; it is the most stable (look at the Egyptian pyramids). Another thing is that American society, as a consumer society, has lost the desire to develop. Americans are forced to live by importing brains, importing hands, importing desire, if you like ...
But they cannot offer something in return. Green papers no longer satisfy many. Only democracy and human rights remain. Well, and other nonsense of the same plan.
Self-isolation for the Americans will mean turning into a kind of pigsty ... It seems that the population is there, but it only deals with what it eats ..

[alicante11]

Well, my friend, the pyramid is unstable if its base is smaller than the top. That is, the inverted pyramid. And the capitalist economy in general, and the American economy in particular, are very upside-down pyramids. Therefore, they periodically collapse (fall into a crisis). True, then they again begin to build them in a new way, coming up with new delights for sustainability. But the higher the cabinet, the louder it falls ...

[mirag2]

The Americans changed priorities, now their task is to prevent the rapprochement between Russia and China.
You see, they have already begun to run lightly on China, and Spain issued an arrest warrant for the ex-chairman, and the Uyghurs with axes went ...
And the United States will let Russia into BV to distract from the Far East.

[ReifA]

One thing pleases, sooner or later, such a system will collapse. We wish an earlier fall.

[abrakadabre]

It will be possible to believe in isolationism only and exclusively when there will be concrete actions in this direction. The most convincing of which will be: reduction of foreign bases to a couple of dozen; reduction of the military budget to a level comparable with other countries.
That is, in short, when the cancer on the mountain whistles.

[major071]

The United States will never backtrack on its policy of world domination. Where the military component does not work, they will enforce their policies on a voluntary-forced basis, using all levers of pressure - political, economic, etc.
There is an old joke about how to feed a cat with mustard:
The German took the cat, opened its mouth and put a spoonful of mustard in it. “This is violence,” said the American. The Japanese put a spoonful of mustard inside a piece of fish and the cat ate it. “It's a hoax,” said the American. - Well, show it as it should. The American took the cat and smeared her ass with mustard, after which the cat herself began to lick her ass, while absorbing the mustard.
This is the policy that the USA applies around the world, if you don’t want ours, we will make it so that you yourself will accept everything.

[their]

Quote: mirag2

The Americans changed priorities, now their task is to prevent the rapprochement between Russia and China.
You see, they have already begun to run lightly on China, and Spain issued an arrest warrant for the ex-chairman, and the Uyghurs with axes went ...
And the United States will let Russia into BV to distract from the Far East.

China and Russia are close enough, so the Americans and the Zionists will need to make efforts to push their heads together.

[knn54]

- "As far as I know, in the United States of America, practically from the moment of their foundation, two seemingly opposite directions were very active - isolationism and messianism ..."
These both directions are characteristic of ANY state. The weak prefer isolationism. Like the United States in its infancy.
"And since politics is a concentrated expression of economics, there is no doubt that American politics will remain expansionist for the foreseeable future, while isolationism will remain in the realm of unrealizable slogans." Until the moment the United States is able to pursue such a policy.
-ReifA: One thing pleases, sooner or later, such a system will collapse.
If this “colossus with feet of clay” collapses, the wreckage will overwhelm the whole world. And from under these debris it will not be easy to get out.
Those who ruined us will help and get up. The danger posed by the Yankees and their satellites will help strengthen defense and consolidate society.

[Peaceful military]

I absolutely agree with A. Wasserman. I just would not focus on some SGA / USA, they are part of the Anglo-Saxon system, and it is an octopus. Yes, the United States tried to break out of this system a couple of times, it didn’t work out.
So a priori expansion will continue.

[kartalovkolya]

Once again, Comrade Wasserman clearly and distinctly exposed the deceitful policy of the SGA / USA, they were not going to go anywhere (and no one would let them do that: who pays the music and orders, at least not Obama and his administration). the United States does not have to expect anything good from them, their whole history speaks of this, and Wasserman simply states.

[Stinger]

Yes. You cannot make a predator eat grass.

[goldfinger]

From Minsk. Rumors of the death of the United States are somewhat exaggerated.
The United States is still the world leader and is likely to remain for more than a decade. They far surpass the rest of the world in soft power. Every year, more immigrants (1 million) arrive in America than in any other country in the world. The United States leads the world in high technology (Silicon Valley), finance and business (Wall Street), film production (Hollywood) and higher education (17 of the 20 leading world universities rated by Shanghai Jiaotong University). In terms of trade profile, the United States is a typical “first world” country (active export of consumer and technological goods and import of natural resources). Compare with Russia.
America continues to lead the world in foreign direct investment, almost doubling its closest competitor. The United States has the most powerful army in the world, on which they spend $ 560 billion a year. Their GDP ($ 16 trillion) more than doubles that of China. They are the first of the new nations and the longest to maintain a democratic system in a world filled with semi-democratic and undemocratic regimes. Their stock market is at a historically record level, reflecting US leadership in the global economy.
Further, who, besides the United States, can lay claim to world leadership? Europeans? Japanese? Russians? In Europe, unemployment is now at 12% (in Greece and Spain - at 26%) and almost zero economic growth, in addition, the population in many of the countries of the European Union is declining. Japan's population is also declining and rapidly aging, few immigrants arrive in the country, the Nikkei index is still 20-plus points lower than in 000, and the Japanese public debt is 1988% of GDP. In addition, in the past two decades, Japan's economy has grown extremely slowly. Although Russia has recently been often mentioned in the press as the host country for the Olympics and Edward Snowden, this does not make it a superpower. She has a third-world trade profile, GDP like Canada (which is less than 240% of the United States GDP), and she has neither soft power, nor Silicon Valley, nor Hollywood, nor Wall Street, nor universities with high ratings.

What about China and India? Although both countries have made significant progress in recent decades, they still have serious problems. In China, 650 million people live in poor rural areas, and in terms of GDP per capita ($ 6, 100% of US GDP per capita), it occupies only 12th place in the world. China suffers from widespread bureaucratic corruption, one-party communist rule, grotesque social stratification, and a lack of creativity. Due to the enormous problems caused by air, water and soil pollution, 87 million Chinese die every year. As Chinese leaders themselves often admit, China is likely to become a fully modern country no earlier than 1,2.

As for India, there are 830 million people (almost 70% of the population) living in poor rural areas. More than 160 million Indians do not have access to water, electricity and sanitation. India leads the world in the number of illiterates — 35% of Indian women cannot read and write. No less than 25% of the population has no electricity. India has weak infrastructure and strong corruption, and its per capita GDP is $ 1 (only 500% of the US), which provides it with 3th place in the world in this parameter. Finally, the rapid growth of its population (over the past decade has added 138 million people) does not promise her anything good in the future.

As the old political proverb says, it is impossible to lose unless you have an opponent. And at the moment, there is no one on the horizon who would be able - at least in the next couple of decades - to overtake the United States or seriously challenge them.

[alone]

Since the Soviet times, when I was a schoolboy, everyone was talking and saying that the United States and the European imperialists will disappear and the world will be completely socialist.
still everyone says yes they say. but to the point 0

[smith7]

Is it reasonable to assume that the United States, having colossal forces and resources, will develop expansion into Russia, China and India in order to control the distribution of raw materials, energy, water and labor resources? However, it is troublesome ... I think that, given by the author, the criteria of the USA's superiority over the rest of the world are essential, but not sufficient to accomplish the task of seizing the indicated resources. Blood will be sucked, of course, and maybe at some moments some of the plans will be realized. The United States is currently the largest consumer of energy resources on the planet (per capita). Adding here and the aggressive imposition of crap, one can imagine how international terrorism will use (God forbid, of course) some powerful nuclear or climatic weapon and, armed with the idea of ​​the common good, sweep away the Atlantic coast of North America, thus reducing world energy consumption by about a third. The current US policy is edge-walking ... playing with fire. Around the world, dissatisfaction is growing: "Americans are too hungry and all is not enough for them"!

[goldfinger]

Quote: smith7

I think that, given by the author, the criteria for US superiority over the rest of the world are essential, but not sufficient to carry out the task to master the indicated resources.

And they, by and large, they do not need. They have huge deposits of oil, gas, next to Canada - the periodic table. And they will print so much money that they will bring them what they need on a "silver platter." It seems to me that Russia is fixated on its resources, as opposed to the real economy. It is not good.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

And since politics is a concentrated expression of economics, there is no doubt that American policy will remain expansionary in the foreseeable future, while isolationism will remain in the realm of unworkable slogans.
Here Wasserman spits ..))) As I understand it, he is already his own man here ..? And leads us cunningly to the idea ..
there is no one on the horizon who would be able - at least in the next couple of decades - to overtake the United States or seriously challenge them.
When "Vasermans" begin to speak "truth" in Russia .. wait for trouble! This is my opinion I do not want to offend anyone, think for yourself ..