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Destruction of legends: how many Europeans receive. And how much they pay "non-European"

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Destruction of legends: how many Europeans receive. And how much they pay "non-European"

The welfare state, built in Europe, is the most stable myth of citizens of the post-Soviet republics. The main component of this myth is the high level of wages received by citizens of the European Union. To earn "as in Europe", that is, very much, is one of the goals, including the ordinary Ukrainian, who is eager for "Euro-Association".


How much really?

The real state of affairs with remuneration in 28 EU countries is far from lined up myths. Salary statistics allows you to select at least three Europe. Not always in better-off Denmark or Sweden, they work harder and harder than in “new democracies” like Bulgaria or Latvia. But they pay there definitely more. On average, in Denmark a year earns 56 299 euros, in Germany - 42 900 euros, Ireland - 46 602 euros, Holland - 45 793 euros (hereinafter - all wages are given before tax).

At the same time, in France the average annual salary is 34 854 euro, Greece - 28 241 euro, Spain - 27 438 euro, Portugal - 17 741 euro. And finally, in the countries of “catching-up” Europe, which only relatively recently became members of the EU, wages are the lowest. In some of them, the gap from the wealthy states of Northern Europe reaches tenfold. In Bulgaria, the average annual salary is 4599 euros, in Romania - 5869 euros, in Latvia - 8376 euros, in Hungary - 9868 euros.

Where are the Ukrainian citizens in the described system of coordinates? The average annual salary in Ukraine as of September 2013 of the year is 39 132 hryvnia (approximately Euro 3590) per year. That is, to the level of "poor" Bulgaria still need a little more than a thousand euros.

Hourly - the fairest

Another common norm in Europe is hourly wage, which is considered fairer. This approach is common in the UK, Spain, Italy, where there are quite a few self-employed, and many able-bodied citizens (and visiting migrant workers) work part-time or work on weekends (which means increased pay), receiving strictly for the hours worked.

So, here the gap between the “golden” Europe and the “catching up” is even more impressive: from 3,5 euro to 39,3 euro per hour. With an average EU level in 23,1 euro / hour, workers in Belgium (39,3 euro), Sweden (39,1 euro), Denmark (38,6 euro), France (34,2 euro) earn the most per hour. Least of all - in Bulgaria (Euro 3,5), Romania (Euro 4,2), Lithuania (Euro 5,5) and Latvia (Euro 5,9).

In Ukraine, the average hourly wage as of December 2013 of the year is 7,30 hryvnia, which is five times less than the lowest Bulgarian level in the European Union.

It is also worth noting that the highest level of hourly wages among European countries is in Norway (not a member of the EU), where 44,2 euros are paid for an hour of work. It turns out that a Norwegian on hourly work can earn more per day than an ordinary worker in Ukraine per month.

However, it should be noted that even the impressive hourly rates for peripheral Europe for Ukrainians are the salaries of local workers, and not at all what Ukrainian guest workers earn in Poland. Numerous reports show that only a few Ukrainians get the minimum set by the hour. So, in the same Poland, Ukrainians most often work for 2,5 – 3 euro / hour. One should also not think that the signing of the Association Agreement will change this situation: exactly the same inequalities are found in the inhabitants of peripheral Europe who left for work in the “core” and “pulp” countries. Well, if the EU cannot guarantee for them to meet their own standards, it is completely foolish for Ukrainians to rely on the materialization of “wages as in Europe”. The wage is not a good European office uncle, but an economy with a stable industry and guaranteed sales markets.

For your information:

In the Russian Federation, the average monthly salary (June 2013) was 27 339,4 rubles (7500 euro per year), in the Republic of Belarus (July 2013) - 5 450 175 Belarusian rubles (5400 euro per year). In Kazakhstan (June 2013) - 109 970 tenge (6360 euro per year), which corresponds to the level of a number of countries in peripheral Europe. It is characteristic that the achievement of this result did not require the signing of agreements with the EU, the creation of an FTA and other actions, which in Ukraine are increasingly given the charm of magic rituals. If you add here the difference in prices for housing and communal services, gasoline, etc. in Western Europe and Eurasia, the comparison will not be at all in favor of central and eastern Europe.
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  1. saag
    saag 26 November 2013 08: 41
    33
    For completeness, it would be necessary to bring the salary after tax
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 26 November 2013 09: 00
      +2
      Quote: saag
      For completeness, it would be necessary to bring the salary after tax

      Here is a little article about s / n in Germany:
      http://russian-o-germany.ru/zarabotnaya-plata-i-nalogi-v-germanii/
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 26 November 2013 10: 08
        27
        Quote: ...
        In the Russian Federation, the average monthly salary (June 2013) amounted to 27 rubles


        Rave. The cleaning lady in the province is 7, the worker is 000, the director of the same enterprise is 15 tyrov. That's what they consider average, and if you take into account Miller’s salary of $ 000 million, then in general it’s joyful for some compatriots
        1. Drosselmeyer
          Drosselmeyer 26 November 2013 14: 31
          +9
          There is also nonsense about Ukraine because of the official statistics. 39 hryvnia per annum, this is 132 UAH. per month. I assure you that this is considered far from average, but a large salary (if, of course, we consider them "clean"). For example, civil servants received salaries of 3261-1200 hryvnia in September, salaries of a doctor, teacher - 1600-1800 hryvnia. Our statistics lie as always.
          1. Cherdak
            Cherdak 26 November 2013 17: 25
            15
            Quote: Drosselmeyer
            about Ukraine nonsense due to official statistics



            And here is the opinion of those gathered on the Maidan:

            - Why did I come here? - asks pensioner Dmitry Ivanovich, - I want to live like in Europe. Tired of counting a penny. Pensioners in Europe live well, have the opportunity to relax abroad. Every time we consider pennies. I myself live in the Kiev region, in the city of Bila Tserkva. Four of us came here, but many support.

            - I went to Russia, but I didn’t really like it there. Moscow is very noisy, a lot of Central Asians. If Ukraine aims at the European Union, then it will be possible to travel to Europe without visas. It will be very convenient, ”student Alena told the MK correspondent.

            Where to buy such grass? crying
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 26 November 2013 18: 22
              13
              Quote: Cherdak
              Where to buy such grass?

              I recall the beginning of the 90s, we also had such sentiments, even among officers. Here we will receive, as in Europe, go abroad, cancel the party and three useless notebooks on the MLP that require to outline the decisions of the party and government. There will be affordable, cheap and high-quality imported goods. As a result, they no longer pay at all with a democratic choice for European business. Well, then everyone knows. Now the call Russia is a European choice, and if anyone gets approval, it’s not in such a massive order as in Ukraine for some reason. In Ukraine, many believe, although no one promises any visa-free regimes and higher salaries, but rather the opposite. How many Maidans have already been. First for independence, then for the orange choice, now -Ukraine tse Europe, Yushch screams save Ukraine from Putin and his imperial ambitions! With us, if anyone screams
              Russia is Europe. it’s either an idiot or a provocateur bought for money. Russia is Russia and the point, and no Europe, which has been twirling and will be twirling no matter how we live at the same time, it’s worthless by geyropey standards. And here such a state with such a population and potential wants to lie under Europe, which for people it does not consider us for some next dream of a sweet life, instead of developing its economy without completely losing its sovereignty.
              There Azerbaijan also refused to go under the EU, refusing to sign the same treaty and no one there comes to Guano on this occasion. Turkey knocked for 50 years and reached out to the desire to join the CU because Russia has a huge trade turnover of almost 35 lard evergreens. And with Ukraine, we have almost 45 lards and she still wants the EU!
              Who needs Ukrainian goods there if prices everywhere become European?
              1. Su24
                Su24 27 November 2013 00: 07
                0
                Quote: Ascetic
                ! With us, if anyone shouts Russia it is Europe. it’s either an idiot or a provocateur bought for money. Russia is Russia and the point, and no Europe, which spit and we will rotate no matter how we live at the same time it’s worthless by geyropeyskim standards


                Thank you for the statement, I completely agree.
            2. Drosselmeyer
              Drosselmeyer 26 November 2013 23: 03
              +2
              There, in general, if you listen to the protesters, they sacredly believe that the issue of joining the EU and issuing Schengen is being resolved. I am amazed at such speeches.
        2. ATATA
          ATATA 26 November 2013 15: 48
          +4
          Quote: Vadivak
          Rave. Cleaning lady in the province 7, worker 000,

          You are not right.
          At our construction site, the cleaning lady gets 8 for cleaning the change houses 000 times a week.
          Foremen receive 50-000 white hands. Workers from 60 to 000 depend on qualifications.
          I work in Ekat.
          ps Previously, my salary did not suit me. I changed my place of residence and found what suits me, so everyone can.
          1. SPLV
            SPLV 26 November 2013 16: 38
            +4
            Sorry, put a minus. Judging by this logic, in a year the population of Moscow should become 100 000 000 people. After all, it is there that the highest level of salaries. Perhaps it is worth considering other mechanisms for regulating income and expenses?
            1. ATATA
              ATATA 26 November 2013 17: 06
              +1
              Quote: SPLV
              Sorry, put a minus. Judging by this logic, in a year the population of Moscow should become 100 000 000 people. After all, it is there that the highest level of salaries. Perhaps it is worth considering other mechanisms for regulating income and expenses?

              But I didn’t leave for Moscow.
              A mechanism is very simple people go to work where the salary is higher. As a result, salaries are gradually equalized everywhere.
              Or do you think that somewhere in the world is wrong?
              And it was exactly the same in the USSR.
              Muscovites had a lot of benefits for residents of the rest of the country.
              The difference between modern Russia and the USSR in this sense is that today it has become MUCH easier to leave for Moscow than then.
              I have been since 1972. He lived in Tula, it is near Moscow. I know very well what I'm talking about. hi
        3. Ascetic
          Ascetic 26 November 2013 17: 44
          +4
          Quote: Vadivak
          The cleaning lady in the province is 7, the worker is 000, the director of the same enterprise is 15 tyrov. That's what they consider average, and if you take into account Miller’s salary of $ 000 million, then in general it’s joyful for some compatriots


          If we say Mr. neighbor is drinking and beating up his wife every day, but neither of the two, according to statistics, it turns out that each of us drinks and rowdy in a day.
        4. rexby63
          rexby63 26 November 2013 20: 54
          +1
          Well, this is also a "stretch", but in the other direction. Your circle is narrow, gentlemen, bloggers, and you are not quite close to the people. The cleaning lady gets 7500 if she has one seat. One cleaning place - well, about 5 hours a day maximum. Usually, even pensioners get two places. Then the worker -15000 r. per month. That is, if, like me, he is already after 50 and he doesn't really "blather" about the salary. And the guys are younger, at our work, for example, this year, they easily raised to 25. True, this is provided that you are at the age of 30-45 years old, and plow like a horse. The bosses can also be understood if they understand you. To me, it (the administration) lucidly explained: "Viktorovich, after two, you are already sitting in the shade, and quietly, peacefully, you sort out your wiring, and the guys drag cables and pipes along the trench until seven in the evening. You certainly won't drink experience, but also to the boys. You have to let them earn. And there is not enough surplus value for everyone. So get your tag plus bonuses (though they don’t offend) and don’t whine. "
          I do not whine, sometimes you can make good money on "khaltai".
        5. Su24
          Su24 27 November 2013 00: 02
          0
          Quote: Vadivak
          Quote: ...
          In the Russian Federation, the average monthly salary (June 2013) amounted to 27 rubles


          Rave. The cleaning lady in the province is 7, the worker is 000, the director of the same enterprise is 15 tyrov. That's what they consider average, and if you take into account Miller’s salary of $ 000 million, then in general it’s joyful for some compatriots


          And about average salaries in other countries, you do not want to say the same thing? These are average indicators; you don’t have to be so naive.
        6. Setrac
          Setrac 27 November 2013 00: 05
          0
          Quote: Vadivak
          Rave. The cleaning lady in the province is 7, the worker is 000, the director of the same enterprise is 15 tyrov. That's what they consider average, and if you take into account Miller’s salary of $ 000 million, then in general it’s joyful for some compatriots

          In other countries, it is also considered average, such are millionaires and janitors.
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 26 November 2013 09: 55
      +6
      Quote: saag
      ado, for completeness, bring salary after tax

      Russia, with its 13%, is ahead of the rest
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 26 November 2013 10: 21
        +1
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Russia, with its 13%, is ahead of the rest

        If in terms of stripping the beggars, then it goes without saying: it is hardly possible to find another country with such a low share of the minimum wage in PPP GDP per capita, and even so this minuscule is taxed.
      2. iwind
        iwind 26 November 2013 10: 25
        33
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Quote: saag
        ado, for completeness, bring salary after tax

        Russia, with its 13%, is ahead of the rest

        13 payroll tax? Well, yes, if ...
        FIU insurance part 16%
        cumulative part 6%
        Federal Compulsory Health Insurance Fund 5.1%
        Social Insurance Fund 2.9%
        and accordingly personal income tax 13%
        And then downtime arithmetic and get 43%. Agree completely different numbers. Just do not say that it is a company to pay and they do not concern people. It doesn’t matter to the company who to give the 43% to the employee in the form of a higher salary or to the budget in the form of taxes, it will still be the costs that the company incurs on this employee.
        Therefore, when they say that we have the smallest taxes on zp in the world, it causes me endless surprise wink
        1. demonuga
          demonuga 26 November 2013 12: 59
          +9
          Therefore, a gray salary flourishes in private business. The minimum salary, and the rest is in the envelope. Paying taxes on real salaries is not profitable.
        2. knn54
          knn54 26 November 2013 15: 18
          +7
          -iwind: that's why when they say that we have the smallest taxes in the world for taxes, it causes me an endless strangulation.
          In the United States, out of 5000 bucks a month (after paying all taxes, insurance, 401K in a pension fund, mortgage, and babysitter), no more than 2000 remain. Everything goes to the fact that OUR rulers are gradually introducing the "best system" ...
        3. zardoz
          zardoz 26 November 2013 15: 43
          +2
          Any kind of deductions is not a tax. They are seized for various purposes that are associated with social programs. And the tax is something that will not come back to you in any way.
        4. yur
          yur 26 November 2013 22: 03
          +2
          No, the difference is very big for the company. Although they grind their teeth, they are forced to pay taxes to the state, but an employee of these 43% would never have seen it. And it would be a state without taxes and people without pensions and sick leave.
        5. andrejwz
          andrejwz 26 November 2013 22: 46
          0
          Quote: iwind
          13 payroll tax? Well, yes, if ... PFR insurance part 16% cumulative part 6% Federal Compulsory Medical Insurance Fund 5.1% Social Insurance Fund 2.9% and accordingly PIT 13% And then downtime arithmetic and we get 43%.

          Of course not 13%. But 43% juggled by you is not true. You either did not have to independently consider what you paid in the form of fees and taxes, or you intentionally added a tear.
        6. Old skeptic
          Old skeptic 27 November 2013 01: 32
          0
          Set up an enterprise and conclude a contract for the provision of services or work with your company and pay 6% + pension. If you pay on time, then you will return the pension from taxes.
          1. demonuga
            demonuga 25 December 2013 11: 14
            0
            It is possible for more details please. I have SP for USN.
    3. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 26 November 2013 10: 09
      10
      Quote: saag
      For completeness, it would be necessary to bring the salary after tax

      laughing you’ve just charged the liberal public with a crowbar, and with a delay good
    4. kaper
      kaper 26 November 2013 10: 24
      +4
      "For completeness, it would be necessary to bring the salary after taxation" - after all, it was specially done so that the members of the forum would not count and compare their own.
    5. AVV
      AVV 26 November 2013 11: 58
      +4
      It’s good where we are not there! And don’t have to rush there headlong! Turn on your brains !!! Free cheese in a mousetrap can only be sausage !!!
    6. StolzSS
      StolzSS 28 November 2013 11: 54
      0
      Oh, it’s finally darkness ... in France, 55 percent of the taxes here and estimate ...
  2. dnh1970
    dnh1970 26 November 2013 08: 50
    10
    I want the same average salary-27339 .....
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 26 November 2013 09: 02
      +9
      We must work, not such an unattainable figure! hi
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 26 November 2013 09: 44
        12
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        It’s necessary to work, not such an unattainable figure

        It depends on which region. The Samara region is not the poorest, but few have such a salary.
        1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
          GELEZNII_KAPUT 26 November 2013 10: 01
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
          It’s necessary to work, not such an unattainable figure
          It depends on which region. The Samara region is not the poorest, but few have such a salary.

          In part, I agree, for a woman, such a salary is probably bolshevat, and a qualified specialist peasant (even a working specialty) may well earn money in the city, in the village, of course, this is unrealistic.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 26 November 2013 10: 57
            13
            Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
            and a qualified specialist man (even a working specialty) may well earn money in the city

            Tolyatti. I work with hands, the official salary is 14 tr True or false, I finish up to twenty. At the same time, I have two higher educations. And at the VAZ people are koryachivayut for 17-25 TR, but you can not imagine what kind of work.
            1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
              GELEZNII_KAPUT 26 November 2013 15: 17
              +6
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
              and a qualified specialist man (even a working specialty) may well earn money in the city
              Tolyatti. I work with hands, the official salary is 14 tr True or false, I finish up to twenty. At the same time, I have two higher educations. And at the VAZ people are koryachivayut for 17-25 TR, but you can not imagine what kind of work.

              I don’t know why so, probably we (builders) earn more ... request
              1. ATATA
                ATATA 26 November 2013 15: 54
                +2
                Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
                I don’t know why so, probably we (builders) earn more.
                drinks
          2. Shkodnik65
            Shkodnik65 26 November 2013 12: 31
            23
            Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
            It’s necessary to work, not such an unattainable figure

            Kursk. I work at a defense enterprise in a municipal administration. Salary 14 tyr. Hard workers in the shops from 5800 (students) to 18 (qualified). Piece - 20-22tyr. One can only dream about the average for Russia. One thing is good that I have at least a pension, but how do young people live ??? The son is a teacher at the university - he does not receive even 8000. How can young families be created ???
            1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
              GELEZNII_KAPUT 26 November 2013 15: 21
              +3
              Quote: Shkodnik65
              The son is a teacher at the university - he does not receive even 8000. How can young families be created ???

              And to me today, a former former student from the Polytechnic University told me that their rector mows them for 3 hundred parts a month, maybe the problem is the inadequacy of the management system and the lack of proper control over state institutions? hi
            2. varov14
              varov14 26 November 2013 20: 07
              +2
              This is closer to Russian reality. God loves works, but rich pigeons.
            3. goldfinger
              goldfinger 26 November 2013 20: 47
              +2
              Quote: Shkodnik65
              Hard workers in the shops from 5800 (students) to 18 (qualified).

              From Minsk. On our sites in a byte, your web footsteps persistently insist on salaries of 30 rubles. Many people believe. We really have 000 to 500 greens. There is no such wild stratification in the region. Directors certainly get more, but not at times. For other things. Milk, 800 fat content -3,6-0,8 dol. Bread (large) - chic, custard - 0,9-1,0 dollars. Baton, large 1,3 dollars. Oil drain. - $ 0,8 (1,2 g). Meat, fresh, loin - 200 dollars. cervical part, palendvitsa - from $ 5. Delicatessen (smoked) .from 7 dol. Krakovskaya sausage - 7 dol. Doctoral - 6 dollars. The coolest smoking ever. sausage - 5 - 10 dol. Eggs - 15 dol. a dozen. chicken 1,4 - 3 dol. in the part. This is in the market, next to the house. In stores a little more expensive, or cheaper. It depends. Apartment - (5 rooms. 2 m54. With electric - 2 kW.) 250 -30 dollars. On average per year. I figured it’s not so bad here. Relatives from Kashira (Moscow region) said that they have more. I do not know.
              1. Su24
                Su24 27 November 2013 00: 36
                +1
                Quote: goldfinger
                Apartment - (2 rooms. 54 m2. With electric - 250 kW.) 30 -32 dollars. On average per year. I figured it’s not so bad here. Relatives from Kashira (Moscow region) said that they have more. I do not know.


                It follows from what you said that only the rent in Russia is greater. And a lot. I remember, about 10 years ago, in all the newspapers they wrote that we pay only 10% of the needs of the housing and communal services, what needs to be raised, and also the private housing and communal services will, in general, heal. Ugums done.
            4. Su24
              Su24 27 November 2013 00: 23
              0
              Quote: Shkodnik65
              Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
              It’s necessary to work, not such an unattainable figure

              Kursk. I work at a defense enterprise in a municipal administration. Salary 14 tyr. Hard workers in the shops from 5800 (students) to 18 (qualified). Piece - 20-22tyr. One can only dream about the average for Russia. One thing is good that I have at least a pension, but how do young people live ??? The son is a teacher at the university - he does not receive even 8000. How can young families be created ???


              In Tyumen, my young friends-teachers get about twenty each.
        2. es.d
          es.d 26 November 2013 13: 37
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          The Samara region is not the poorest, but few have such a salary.

          I was in 3-4 place, I was ... Thanks to Mr. Artyakov and others like him, today the region is subsidized.
          Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
          In part, I agree, for a woman, such a salary is probably bolshevat, and a qualified specialist peasant (even a working specialty) may well earn money in the city, in the village, of course, this is unrealistic.

          At VAZ, the average salary does not reach such figures. Yes, with such a reading room.
          Quote: Vadivak
          Rave. The cleaning lady in the province is 7, the worker is 000, the director of the same enterprise is 15 tyrov. That's what they consider average, and if you take into account Miller’s salary of $ 000 million, then in general it’s joyful for some compatriots
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 26 November 2013 13: 55
            +4
            Quote: es.d
            Thanks to Mr. Artyakov and others like him, today the region is subsidized.

            Yes, this one was noted here, after it the region is at a loss. Direct protege of a sweet couple. Although Merkushkina also set the GDP. I can’t say anything bad yet, a man is working. Time will tell.
            1. es.d
              es.d 27 November 2013 01: 24
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Although Merkushkina also set the GDP. I can’t say anything bad yet, a man is working. Time will tell.

              Hello fellow countryman! drinks
              After these ... it's just ... worse ... Merkushkin is a cunning "Mordvin". Regarding the subsidization of the region, he said, in my own words - this is not so bad, and this status should be used as much as possible. Steal the loot! Milk Moscow!
              EMNIS, to the budget of the USSR, Samara region. gave 3-5% filling.
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 26 November 2013 09: 51
      +9
      Quote: dnh1970
      I want the same average salary-27339 .....

      Et-that "average temperature in the hospital".
      If you average the average salary of members of the forum with an average salary (whether?) Of State Duma deputies, the figure will be simply stunning laughing
      1. sergey32
        sergey32 26 November 2013 10: 51
        +7
        In my production (confectionery, rural areas) workers on the line, mainly women receive, after taxation, 25-27t.r on hands, packers 14,5 tr For a village where everyone has his own farm tolerant.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 26 November 2013 11: 05
          10
          Quote: sergey32
          receive after tax 25-27t.r on hands, packers 14,5 tr

          All this is good when there is sales, and there is no real competition. We Muscovites crushed almost all trade, all around supermarkets. And there, the small local manufacturer can’t practically get in, to get the regiment, it’s necessary to roll back. Here it is, the viciousness of the economic model.
          1. sergey32
            sergey32 26 November 2013 11: 42
            14
            I roll back, where without it, and the competition is fierce. I don’t tear up prices and make a bookmark in the product according to Soviet GOST, therefore we survive due to turnover. And yes, the lion's share of profit goes to networks and intermediaries.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 26 November 2013 12: 12
              +3
              Quote: sergey32
              And yes, the lion's share of profit goes to networks and intermediaries.

              It is solved simply - the percentage of trade markup in relation to the producer price is legally limited. And prohibit the sale of shelves in supermarkets, because this directly affects the pricing of goods, the manufacturer is forced to lay the shelf price in the cost of production.
              I don’t tear up prices and make a bookmark in the product according to Soviet GOST,
              Well done good
        2. yur
          yur 26 November 2013 22: 19
          +2
          May God bless you.
      2. kris
        kris 26 November 2013 11: 50
        +6
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Et-that "average temperature in the hospital".
        If you average the average salary of members of the forum with an average salary (whether?) Of State Duma deputies, the figure will be simply stunning

        and given the next rise in salaries for deputies, we will soon become even richer in average wages. laughing
      3. Panikovsky
        Panikovsky 26 November 2013 14: 46
        +3
        If you average the average salary of members of the forum with an average salary (whether?) Of State Duma deputies, the figure will be simply stunning laughing[/ Quote]
        if you collect all the urine
        cleverly and skillfully
        can the sun piss ... b,
        that would hiss!
    3. Nachkar237
      Nachkar237 26 November 2013 12: 37
      +7
      My official salary is: salary 12720, monthly bonus of 50% of the salary, that is 6360 (they can also be deprived of it if you do the jambs), plus the nightly ones about 1500 - 2000, and if you work normally fruitfully, then from PHOT ( wage fund, add an average of 3000 - 5000, add up, 12730 + 6360 + 1500 + 3000 = 23590 rubles, minus 13% tax = 20523,3 rubles per month, daily schedule in three (1 work. / 3 out.), utility bills about 3500 per month, + Internet 600, + mobile communications about 500, + television 250 = 4600, 20523,3-4600 = 15923,3 Plus, the wife’s salary is about 18000 per month, that is, we have clean hands on a month about 30000 rubles. Of course, not quite what you want, but still ... Now we pay a loan for the car, then we plan a child, a mortgage (a simple 2-ear we have 2 on average). Of course, there are a lot of problems, but all it’s decided, it would be desire and patience, I also have something to compare with - for example, my salary in 000 in the same place, was 000 rubles TOTAL !!! Tom, for all that, I have acquaintances and friends who get 2007 times more than me, and complain that there is not enough money! Although, of course, the Samara region is considered relatively prosperous, for example, in the Smolensk region. s / n on average lower than ours, but tightened. And so of course, I want to get more, and live better, but everything is known in comparison. Therefore, article +
      1. SPLV
        SPLV 26 November 2013 16: 53
        +3
        Lucky! In our communal apartment, approximately 6-8 thousand goes to the circle, and this is not in the mansions.
  3. fennekRUS
    fennekRUS 26 November 2013 08: 51
    +1
    how many times have the world
  4. makarov
    makarov 26 November 2013 08: 56
    +9
    The author's surname is somewhat strange, and you can't understand whether it's French or Chukchi. The "average" salaries in Ukraine laid out by him defy logic. As a rule, and mainly, in Ukraine they pay the minimum wage of about 1120 hryvnia per month = 130 US dollars. Therefore, I consider his "calculations" to be a man-call.
    1. Alex toll
      Alex toll 26 November 2013 09: 23
      0
      Do you still want to join the European Union? I decided to get to the bottom of the surname even)))))

      "Something I do not like the name of this plasma - it is certainly good, but the name ....."
    2. kaper
      kaper 26 November 2013 10: 16
      0
      The whole trick is that they think differently - when you need to show that Ukraine does not live well, some numbers, and when you need that Europe, there are different ones like you.
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    3. bistrov.
      bistrov. 26 November 2013 10: 16
      +7
      Quote: makarov
      The author’s surname is somewhat strange, you won’t understand, either a Frenchman or a Chukchi.

      Chukchi, in general, have "purely" Russian surnames: ivanov, petrov, yakovlev ..., the ending ... "bio" rather indicates that the author has Western Ukrainian roots
      Quote: makarov
      in Ukraine, they pay the minimum wage of about UAH 1120 per month = $ 130. Therefore, I consider his "calculations" to be a man-call.

      So the author also overestimated the salary in Ukraine! In reality, it is even smaller. I don’t understand that you are whipping foam? Did shtetl hetmanism leapfrog?
    4. Korben
      Korben 26 November 2013 10: 48
      0
      I agree! Minimum pay officially, the rest on hand!
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 26 November 2013 13: 22
        0
        Quote: Korben
        I agree! Minimum pay officially, the rest on hand!

        This is with a private trader. They will not be paid in an envelope at a state enterprise. Here they work four days a week for 1500 UAH per month. But a private trader also does not have minimal honey on his hands, and a little in an envelope. In big cities, there Of course, in another way, in Kiev and Kharkov, salaries are at the European level, but how many of these cities ... The overwhelming majority of the population lives in small towns, where the salary is much less.
        1. yur
          yur 26 November 2013 22: 25
          +2
          At European level?
      2. zardoz
        zardoz 26 November 2013 15: 59
        +2
        In general, the average payroll takes into account the payroll of all those receiving it. Ie and deputies and janitors. Well, by the way, not everything is so bad with sn. I worked at a private enterprise (OJSC) and we had a white salary. It was on the grid and quite low. But depending on the profit, a bonus was distributed to the group - it could make up to 400% of the salary. This was a record I had. Everything was absolutely official. I worked as a designer.
  5. Revolver
    Revolver 26 November 2013 09: 03
    +5
    In the US, the federal minimum wage is $ 7.25 per hour. Some states set higher levels. And illegal immigrants working outside the payroll "for cash [cash]" sometimes get paid even less than the minimum.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 26 November 2013 09: 54
      +5
      Quote: Nagan
      Some states set higher levels. And illegal immigrants working outside the payroll "for cash [cash]" sometimes get paid even less than the minimum.

      It is normal if the state at least cares about its citizens.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 26 November 2013 10: 17
        +4
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        It’s normal if the state at least cares about its citizens

        No, it’s unscrupulous employers who take advantage of the fact that the illegal will not have the right to download, for lack of these rights. Moreover, they also save on social security tax (payroll tax in favor of pension funds). If such employers are caught on this, then not weakly punished. But you cannot keep track of all the small (and sometimes not so small) businesses. And in agriculture, they generally look at it through their fingers, because otherwise a bunch of farmers will go bankrupt, and prices for vegetables will skyrocket. White people and even Negros oh, he blurted out politically incorrectly, it was necessary for "African Americans" to weed-collect for a minimal fee, they will not hire, and illegal Latinos are ready to plow even for less.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 26 November 2013 10: 41
          +6
          Quote: Nagan
          No, it’s unscrupulous employers are using the fact that the illegal will not have the right to download, for lack of these rights

          So in the capital the same way. Tajiks and others allegedly receive 15 karbovanets each while working in the housing sector. But the "boss" gives out 000-5 thousand.
          In the service sector is not better.
  6. Denis
    Denis 26 November 2013 09: 03
    +3
    the salary of local workers, and not at all what Ukrainian migrant workers earn in Poland
    Welcome to the European Union!
    But they hope that this Mos.kalskoe lies
  7. svskor80
    svskor80 26 November 2013 09: 13
    +5
    It has long been clear that it is the Europeans who want to increase their income through the association of Ukraine to themselves. Ukrainians should be happy that they will be allowed to feel like a member of the European Union, though virtual. Even Ukrainian laborers are not needed in Europe, only the opportunity to sell goods and services, and pump out the remaining resources.
    1. kaper
      kaper 26 November 2013 10: 18
      0
      Interestingly, this is how they will increase their income at the expense of me. Especially when you consider that their income is many times higher than mine.
      1. vanya
        vanya 26 November 2013 13: 40
        +2
        Ukraine produces products that are exported and competes with the European one, the goal of Europe is to destroy competing enterprises, to the standard of living of Ukrainians they deeply ....
        1. kaper
          kaper 26 November 2013 15: 36
          -2
          Okay, about "Ukraine produces products that are exported" I will not, but the question remains - how will they increase their income at my expense. Here, in theory, on the contrary, according to the law of connected vessels, everything should gradually level out.
          1. zardoz
            zardoz 26 November 2013 16: 03
            +1
            Well, instead of Ukrainian goods, you will purchase European goods, for example.
          2. Su24
            Su24 27 November 2013 01: 06
            +1
            Quote: kaper
            Okay, about "Ukraine produces products that are exported" I will not, but the question remains - how will they increase their income at my expense. Here, in theory, on the contrary, according to the law of connected vessels, everything should gradually level out.


            Very funny. Have you heard about globalization? The income gap between rich and poor countries only widens. What do you think, a German like that, will out of philanthropy give you his money?
            And the EU elite will be able to increase its income after redistributing income in its favor, after privatizing / buying up Ukrainian enterprises. There is also an increase in the market for European goods.
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 26 November 2013 13: 47
        0
        Quote: kaper
        Interestingly, this is how they will increase their income at the expense of me. Especially when you consider that their income is many times higher than mine.

        Well, and "we are 52 million" amAnd as you know, a grain of chicken ...
      3. Denis
        Denis 26 November 2013 17: 51
        +2
        Quote: kaper
        how they will increase their income at the expense of me
        On account of this, they are capable, do not worry, they will find how
        Masters of Parasitism
        Baltic States in the EU, they have happiness?
        And they promised
  8. RBLip
    RBLip 26 November 2013 09: 37
    0
    all these articles are for what? ukram, who want to go to geyrope, ANY information, exposing geyrope in an unfavorable light, will be considered a "Maskal" forgery. sane Ukrainians who want the other way, and so everything is clear. and "smart" and "beautiful" will continue to sing the mantras that Moscow SHOULD interest them.
    The question is, why the heck are these "brothers" in general? Or are the problems over in the open spaces of Mother Russia?
    1. corn
      corn 26 November 2013 10: 05
      +3
      On another thread, I posted this comment:

      "... international politics, which boils down to the struggle of the great powers for the economic and political division of the world ..."
      Very successful quotation of V.I. Lenin, and many here say that out of fraternal feelings, s, and in Russia, in my opinion, is capitalism.
      ______________________________________

      Instantly ogreb minus.
      They do not understand that part of the people of Russia are from fraternal feelings (especially those who have relatives there), parts are all the same, and those in power are clearly according to Lenin.
    2. So_o_tozh
      So_o_tozh 26 November 2013 15: 25
      +1
      So mutually, I personally do not want to be a geyropu, but I don’t want to join the TS either. The only hassle is that without Ukraine, Russia seems to be somehow inferior, but it turns out that for her Ukraine is like a suitcase without a handle.
      1. Su24
        Su24 27 November 2013 01: 11
        0
        Quote: So_o_tozh
        So mutually, I personally do not want to be a geyropu, but I don’t want to join the TS either. The only hassle is that without Ukraine, Russia seems to be somehow inferior, but it turns out that for her Ukraine is like a suitcase without a handle.


        Why? In the Customs Union is good. Everyone is happy.
  9. bootlegger
    bootlegger 26 November 2013 09: 51
    +2
    The real state of affairs with wages in 28 countries of the European Union is far from myths. Salary statistics allow you to select at least three Europe.

    Where are the Ukrainian citizens in the described system of coordinates? The average annual salary in Ukraine as of September 2013 of the year is 39 132 hryvnia (approximately Euro 3590) per year. That is, to the level of "poor" Bulgaria still need a little more than a thousand euros.

    That is, Ukrainians fall into the fourth grade? And in the USSR they were one of the titular nations ...
  10. major071
    major071 26 November 2013 10: 02
    10
    Average salary, hourly, that's all good. But here we must also take into account the cost of utilities, products, etc. etc. I have relatives in Germany, they lived here - they were people of "broad soul", went there - they are shaking over every euro. And moreover, they do not "drive a bummer", but work, and in a well-paid job, sometimes seven days a week. The communal market eats up at least a third of the income, food, clothes also need to be bought, and so on, money back to back. And yet they are German citizens, not Gaster. negative
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 November 2013 13: 04
      +6
      Average salary, hourly, that's all good. But here we must also take into account the cost of utilities, products, etc. etc. I have relatives in Germany, they lived here - they were people of "broad soul", went there - they are shaking over every euro. And moreover, they do not "drive a bummer", but work, and in a well-paid job, sometimes seven days a week. The communal market eats up at least a third of the income, food, clothes also need to be bought, and so on, money back to back. And yet they are German citizens, not Gaster.

      In Israel, at least 6 with a penny of bucks per hour, income tax is stepped up, the maximum rate is 43%, + to the national service, insurance5% + health tax5%, from the minimum salary1200 $ income tax is not paid at all, the average salary in Israel (gross) 9500 NIS, -3100 bucks, prices, I can compare to food, more expensive than in Russia ~ 20-30%, renting an apartment- depends on the place, (I'm talking about 3-4) room-from 1200 - to 9000 per month- and salaries dictate where and for how much you rent, say the salary of an engineer in a normal place (I will bring mine), order and $ 83 t per year (dirty) clean - about 55 t $, but includes full payment of medical insurance for the whole family (the coolest), insurance of teeth. Of course, the VAT is not given in the article - everyone somehow forgets it, but by the way it’s the same tax — we have 18%, a school - a penny — you can’t take it as a university, the cooler it is, the cheaper (the state subsidizes) - training about 3000 $ per year (if there is no scholarship or you don’t study from the Army, then it’s practically free). Our cars are 2 times more expensive than Russian cars, gasoline is the same, for two children working for a minimum and having 2-3 children, life is not easy. Work there is a lot and a long time, 12 hour slave day is a common occurrence
    2. screw cutter
      screw cutter 26 November 2013 14: 45
      +9
      And why did I suddenly go to Russia to relatives, bring clothes, and in Germany they are even cheaper. In Russia, only fuel, vodka and utility are cheaper than in Europe, and only vodka from alcohol, utilities are almost equal, fuel is only almost twice. And this is not the Moscow region. Russian retail chains snickered, everywhere kickbacks and double-triple cheats. Where did you see in Germany the owner of a small restaurant in Cayenne, and in Russia it’s easy and necessary hachik.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 26 November 2013 14: 51
        +9
        Quote: screw cutter
        Where did you see in Germany the owner of a small restaurant in Cayenne, and in Russia it is easy and necessary to have a hachik.

        Fair ... you will not say anything recourse
        It seems that Russia will never be imprisoned for tax crimes.
  11. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 26 November 2013 10: 12
    10
    Good morning everyone, the article is somehow one-sided. And where is the price of the minimum consumer basket? Where is the cost of living, taxes, prices for utilities, transportation?
    1. kaper
      kaper 26 November 2013 10: 22
      +5
      So after all, if all this is objectively given, then the meaning of this article is lost.
  12. Stiletto
    Stiletto 26 November 2013 10: 12
    +8
    Estimating revenues without estimating costs looks one-sided.
  13. Kolya
    Kolya 26 November 2013 10: 14
    +4
    Quote: saag
    For completeness, it would be necessary to bring the salary after tax

    for Ukraine, this cannot be calculated, the computer will freeze, as it turns out that the average Ukrainian will be in the red and owes to the state, and the state is in bad debt to the oligarchs.
  14. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 26 November 2013 10: 16
    +1
    The author citing nominal numbers thereby replaces the notion - the minimum wage of Ukraine 20% of the PPP GDP per capita. Moreover, the lowest minimum wage in Europe is in Spain (25% of PPP GDP per capita). In Germany and France - 40%, etc.
  15. ReifA
    ReifA 26 November 2013 10: 18
    +7
    Each country has its own "jokes" with salaries, taxes and utilities + the rest of the living expenses. Therefore, by showing the average salary in the country, you are not saying anything at all.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 26 November 2013 10: 24
      +4
      No comment.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 26 November 2013 10: 35
        +2
        Differences in salaries in the regions of Russia.
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 26 November 2013 10: 50
          +5
          Rating of military salaries for the 2012 year.
    2. atalef
      atalef 26 November 2013 14: 09
      +3
      Quote: ReifA
      Each country has its own "jokes" with salaries, taxes and utilities + the rest of the living expenses. Therefore, by showing the average salary in the country, you are not saying anything at all.

      This is like the average temperature in the hospital, so the morgue will have better indicators
  16. Stiletto
    Stiletto 26 November 2013 10: 41
    +2
    Thank Apollon Your infographic is more informative than the article itself. hi
  17. vladeinord
    vladeinord 26 November 2013 10: 44
    +5
    I want an average salary of 27! WE HAVE ONLY ON HARMFUL PRODUCTION IN THE ELECTROLYSIS FACTORY WHERE ALUMINUM SALES 000. AND THUS ON THE CITY 30-000 RUBLES. Yes, I almost forgot a week ago they closed the last building for the production of aluminum, now no one gets 12 rubles ....... Although the local authorities and regional authorities promised that this would not happen! Moscow also promised ..
  18. vostok1982
    vostok1982 26 November 2013 10: 53
    +2
    Most workers in Ukraine receive 1200 hryvnias per month. That is about 5000 rubles. In a year it turns out around 2000 dollars or 1500 euros.
    1. Korben
      Korben 26 November 2013 11: 43
      0
      Tell me where is the majority of workers, I’ll be happy to take it to work!
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 26 November 2013 14: 02
        +6
        Quote: Korben
        Tell me where is the majority of workers, I’ll be happy to take it to work!

        Yes, easy-Sumy region., Shostka (well, "Svema", remember?). Open a branch and go ahead and with a song. And people will work! Hiss, but work, there is nowhere to go. I understand why the Benders are waving for the European Union -they will make three trips across the border in a day with cigarettes and vodka-50 euros in their pockets. And where do we go from Eastern Ukraine? And they pay a penny at the enterprise. And if it is closed, that's all, kirdyk. Here are the people who work for 1200.
        1. igor67
          igor67 26 November 2013 17: 55
          +1
          Quote: revnagan
          Quote: Korben
          Tell me where is the majority of workers, I’ll be happy to take it to work!

          Yes, easy-Sumy region., Shostka (well, "Svema", remember?). Open a branch and go ahead and with a song. And people will work! Hiss, but work, there is nowhere to go. I understand why the Benders are waving for the European Union -they will make three trips across the border in a day with cigarettes and vodka-50 euros in their pockets. And where do we go from Eastern Ukraine? And they pay a penny at the enterprise. And if it is closed, that's all, kirdyk. Here are the people who work for 1200.

          Also Sumy region. G. Konotop, nurses with experience of 20 years receive 1200 gr.
        2. Korben
          Korben 26 November 2013 18: 57
          +1
          I have a production in Kharkov, handymen turn their noses for 2500 UAH, trained operators on machines receive from 5000 UAH. and this is not the limit! Maybe in Shostka it is, maybe ... In Kharkov, it's been a long time yesterday!
  19. zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 26 November 2013 10: 54
    +1
    I don’t know how there are taxes in Europe, but ...
    Belgium - a conveyor worker receives 1500-1600 euros without tax deduction.
    An engineer at the same enterprise - from 3000 to 5000, depending on length of service, length of service, level, and something else (did not delve into that much)
    A worker at the same Lithuanian enterprise - 400 euros per person.
    Com Director of this company - 1000 euros.
    If we take into account tax deductions for Belgium, then they are about 30-40% of the total salary.
    The difference is still noticeable.
    1. Sour
      Sour 26 November 2013 15: 45
      +1
      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      Com Director of this company - 1000 euros.

      And in Italy, the average pension is the same.
      But in the same place, renting a 2-room apartment in a large city costs the same.
      It is necessary not only to consider salaries with taxes, but also prices.
      Hungary is full of people working on average for 500 euros per month. And in Italy, the blacks who cross the sea in boats and live in hostels receive so much as a benefit. You won’t hire anyone for 500 euros. But there the prices are different. Austria and the Czech Republic are like two neighboring countries, but the salaries are different, and so are the prices.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 27 November 2013 00: 48
        0
        for 400 euros, I will not work in Ukraine)))
  20. ded_73
    ded_73 26 November 2013 10: 56
    +1
    An interesting interview with Kudrin - http://www.mk.ru/politics/interview/2013/11/14/945585-rossiya-na-igle.html. There is something to think about.
  21. wheel
    wheel 26 November 2013 11: 43
    +1
    Everything is fine, of course, but my country is called the REPUBLIC OF BELARUS. Please write correctly
    1. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 26 November 2013 14: 42
      +6
      Do not worry, you will always be Belarus. wink
  22. Sour
    Sour 26 November 2013 13: 05
    +1
    It makes no sense to cite salary figures without tax rates, prices for goods and services, utilities tariffs and other things.
  23. Jet
    Jet 26 November 2013 13: 29
    +1
    Another custom article? or did the author just decide to write something without really bothering?
  24. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 26 November 2013 13: 52
    +6
    In Estonia, the official average gross salary is 930 euros, and the hourly average is 5,58 euros, which is a lie, because I do not know a single person who would receive so much. Somehow, everyone I know gets more than a minimum salary (gross 320 euros, 280 euros on hand), but less than 930 euros.
    In general, we are very fond of lying, delivering such numbers to Brussels that we are already messing around. And then we read publications in the EU countries, which, they say, take an example from Estonia. My friends in Sweden and Finland are just openly laughing.
  25. vkrav
    vkrav 26 November 2013 15: 18
    +1
    Everything in the geyrops is good, but why do they come to treat our teeth ??? We only have a good life ...
  26. Stinger
    Stinger 26 November 2013 16: 17
    +2
    In the wrong hands always seems fatter.
  27. atos_kin
    atos_kin 26 November 2013 16: 36
    +2
    Ukraine has achieved complete independence from common sense.
  28. tomich
    tomich 26 November 2013 16: 40
    +4
    another article from the evil one, 27 average in Russia, but in reality?
    average salary in 2013 by regions of the Russian Federation in thousand rubles
    Russian Federation 27,0
    Central Federal District 33,3
    Belgorod region 20,1
    Bryansk region 18,6
    Vladimir region 17,7
    Voronezh region 18,7
    Ivanovo Region 16,2
    Kaluga region 21,6
    Kostroma region 17,3
    Kursk region 17,5
    Lipetsk region 19,3
    Moscow region 30,8
    Oryol Oblast 13,3
    Ryazan region 16,6
    Smolensk region 15,4
    Tambov region 15,5
    Tver region 16,3
    Tula region 19
    Yaroslavl region 20,2
    Moscow 50,4
    Northwestern Federal District 29,2
    Republic of Karelia 24,5
    Komi Republic 31
    Arkhangelsk Region 27,8
    Nenets Autonomous Okrug 50,2
    Vologda Oblast 22,2
    Kaliningrad region 22,4
    Leningrad region 26,4
    Murmansk region 35,7
    Novgorod region 20,4
    Pskov region 18,1
    St. Petersburg 33,5
    Southern Federal District 19,6
    Republic of Adygea 16
    Republic of Kalmykia 14,6
    Krasnodar Territory 20,7
    Astrakhan region 21,6
    Volgograd region 18,5
    Rostov region 18,2
    North Caucasus Federal District 15,7
    Republic of Dagestan 13,5
    Republic of Ingushetia 16,6
    Kabardino-Balkarian Republic 15,2
    Karachay-Cherkess Republic 14,4
    Republic of North Ossetia-Alania 14,9
    Chechen Republic 16,1
    Stavropol Territory 16,6
    Volga Federal District 19,2
    Republic of Bashkortostan 20,6
    Republic of Mari El 15,3
    Republic of Mordovia 15,5
    Republic of Tatarstan 21,2
    Udmurt Republic 18,3
    Chuvash Republic 17
    Perm Territory 20,8
    Kirov region 17,2
    Nizhny Novgorod Region 20,4
    Orenburg region 19,7
    Penza Region 17,6
    Samara region 21,8
    Saratov region 18,1
    Ulyanovsk Region 17,3
    Ural Federal District 30,6
    Kurgan region 17
    Sverdlovsk region 24,8
    Tyumen region 40,8
    Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug-Yurga 51,4
    Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug 61,6
    Chelyabinsk region 22,4
    Siberian Federal District 22,4
    Altai Republic 18,6
    Republic of Buryatia 22,2
    Tuva Republic 20,8
    Republic of Khakassia 23,1
    Altai Territory 15,2
    Trans-Baikal Territory 19,2
    Krasnoyarsk Territory 22,6
    Irkutsk region 25,5
    Kemerovo region 12,2
    Novosibirsk region 12,1
    Omsk region 22,2
    Tomsk Region 26,3
    Far Eastern Federal District 31,4
    Republic of Sakha (Yakutia) 43,6
    Kamchatka Territory 43,0
    Primorsky Krai 27,1
    Khabarovsk Territory 28,2
    Amur Region 28,2
    Magadan region 46,8
    Sakhalin Oblast 42,2
    Jewish Autonomous Region 26,8
    Chukotka Autonomous Okrug 49,8
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 26 November 2013 17: 14
      -4
      And what prevents you from earning more?
      1. Su24
        Su24 27 November 2013 01: 42
        +1
        Quote: ATATA
        And what prevents you from earning more?


        Mother Sloth winked
      2. es.d
        es.d 27 November 2013 02: 21
        0
        Quote: ATATA
        And what prevents you from earning more?

        I am always confused by such a formulation of the question. It seems to be myself -. Go around the market - sell at a higher price? Open your business, row rowers? And if not given? When I, a good specialist, (unfortunately, with a fairly narrow scope) with 20 years of experience, received $, did I earn so much, or did I get so much? Get a second job? What would receive no less than a secretary? Can something be fixed at the Conservatory?
        And so, yes "... who is here in Tsari, for example, is the last one? Nobody! Then I will be the first ..." lol
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 27 November 2013 04: 16
          0
          Quote: es.d
          I am always confused by such a formulation of the question. It seems to be myself -. Go around the market - sell at a higher price? Open your own business, row rowers?

          But the same thing bothers me, such a formulation of the question.
          Do not open your own business if you are not ready to take the risk.
          But who prevents walking around the market and TO KNOW for more expensive? request
          ps prostitutes are on sale.
  29. Captain45
    Captain45 26 November 2013 18: 13
    0
    I will not argue for salaries, in each region and industry in different ways, I want to note another thing: the length of the working day, the number of days off and holidays and the duration of holidays in Russia and Europe. Well, we do not work for at least a quarter of a year, and we receive money for this time.
  30. ammunition
    ammunition 26 November 2013 19: 15
    +3
    The Bulgarians were the least lucky.
    Compared to the 1989 year ... One working in Bulgaria began to receive 2,7 times less.
    (when calculating, social benefits, subsidies and payments were taken into account)
    ------------
    And if we take into account the strongest nervousness .. "inconvenience" and "hopelessness" of the present life in Bulgaria .. The contrast is catastrophic.
    -----------
    It is clear that 2-3% of the population receive much more than in 1989))) .. laughing
  31. Tartary
    Tartary 26 November 2013 19: 49
    +1
    From gatherings in Odnoklassniki -

    Fresh news (17: 00) from Lviv Maidan: A Mordaten Lviv student HAPPENED to the camera: "Vchora we bully at VILNYUS at the song festival. THERE we were told; WHAT EUROPE WANT US !!!" The child barked; but at the very end: of course Europe wants us .... GET. But this does not bother the maydanutykh at all; on the contrary, rejoice; like a bride before a wedding.
  32. negeroi
    negeroi 26 November 2013 20: 44
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    The article is just another provocation on the topic of O. In the sense, the same chatter about Ukraine. What do the graphs and tables in the provocative article mean-Nothing more than pumping the brain. Why? Because I can do any table, and by the way, too. And if I feel like it, I will draw as an illustration of my True Truth. But all this is husk, what it is. Yes, it doesn’t chew the illiterate as it happens. It shades one, veils the other, and gives the third as ten. In short, who cares how much does it get? All this is nonsense, and lies. Since the 20s of the last century, economists have argued about the welfare of workers and the middle class, with different costs of money, conditions, wealth, infrastructure development, social institutions, etc.
    That is, compare salaries even in terms of a single calculated guilder is rubbish and nonsense! First, as someone who is not stupid here noticed, after paying taxes! Namely, after paying taxes, in every country, each social layer has its own tears and my money. And all the more, I get different money if I ate calculating the social benefits of the population, and similarly the social expenses of the State. Moreover, in each case, a specific state and the specific people of the grandmother. In general, reducing to a common table and bringing to a common denominator European salaries, even by country. Absolutely different amounts are spent by EU states on social programs, and they spent earlier, which is important. In other words. After paying taxes, in one country people with little money can have more than other people with big money in another state. And no leveling. That's the problem of the European Union, there is no equality in anything. That’s why they’ve been battling for more than a year. Moreover, to tie Ukrainian slings to the European Union, like there is no consensus there. Yes, we don’t even have it! We don’t have any equal in the subjects of the federation. Where will he come from in the European Union? There is no doubt that Ukrainians will lose. Fools are cheap to buy. It’s bad that we inevitably rob, we are also fools, we hold on to the benefits of business with our brothers. It’s a pity that you can’t send them once and for all. People who don’t wants us, why do we need him? Extra hemorrhoids and problems. How many of them can be pulled, they hate us for that. They say that we don’t let them go somewhere. It turns out they are not on their own, but they are listening to us. Very sad, that there are articles in terms of their fallacy. It’s better to write about how they will feel good THERE, and how good it will be without them. We got it.
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  34. ekzorsist
    ekzorsist 26 November 2013 21: 48
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    Yeah and in Kazakhstan, bye-bye, the average salary is generally cool - 2200 eureka per year !!!
    And then not everyone and not everywhere, subject to European tariffs and fines and other requisitions.
    Yes, and someone else wants Kazakhstan to join the European Union ...
    Peaceful military "... who I know get more than the minimum wage (gross € 320, € 280 on hand) ..."
    Well, here we are practically united (as before in the USSR) - we will get no more than 200 euros per month! BUT right away I will not make a reservation at all and everywhere in the bulk of poverty 200 dollars a month is already the limit of dreams. In villages, after farming, even less.
  35. goldfinger
    goldfinger 26 November 2013 22: 05
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    From Minsk. On our sites in a byte, your web footsteps persistently insist on salaries of 30 rubles. Many people believe. We really have 000 to 500 greens. There is no such wild stratification in the region. Directors certainly get more, but not at times. For other things. Milk, 800 fat content -3,6-0,8 dol. Bread (large) - chic, custard - 0,9-1,0 dollars. Baton, large 1,3 dollars. Oil drain. - $ 0,8 (1,2 g). Meat, fresh, loin - 200 dollars. cervical part, palendvitsa - from $ 5. Delicatessen (smoked) .from 7 dol. Krakovskaya sausage - 7 dol. Doctoral - 6 dollars. The coolest smoking ever. sausage - 5 - 10 dol. Eggs - 15 dol. a dozen. chicken 1,4 - 3 dol. in the part. This is in the market, next to the house. In stores a little more expensive, or cheaper. It depends. Apartment - (5 rooms. 2 m54. With electric - 2 kW.) 250 -30 dollars. On average per year. I figured it’s not so bad here. Relatives from Kashira (Moscow region) said that they have more. I do not know.
  36. Little Russia
    Little Russia 27 November 2013 00: 26
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    An article as an article. the author’s surname is very ours - zapadenskaya. Comparing salaries and pensions is not necessary: ​​anyway, the result will be wrong (in the eyes of the opponent). A relative from Germany and a friend from Salt Lake City came with their medical problems nonetheless. decide in Kharkov. And the adequacy or insufficiency of salaries depends not least on the requests of the subject, on his needs, which he considers to be the norm, although others will say about him: the dude is snickering.
  37. Keeper
    Keeper 27 November 2013 05: 37
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    The average salary in the Czech Republic ranges from 1 thousand dollars to 1 thousand euros.
    Minus taxes, housing and communal services - about half remains for life - 10000-14000 crowns.
    He himself witnessed how they dismantle discounted products and fresh poultry meat in ordinary stores.
    approximately 1cron = 1.6 rub.
    Given that the Czech Republic is not the poorest country in Europe!
  38. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 27 November 2013 05: 41
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    People!!! Why do you consider other people's money? Raise the country's economy to the level of Germany and get a well-deserved salary. When we plow a goat on a goat, such a crop.