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Poland buys next "Leopards"

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Poland buys next "Leopards"

Defense Minister Tomasz Semonyak and his German counterpart signed an agreement in Poznan to buy another 119 tanks Leopard.


We equip the next tank brigade with modern tanks, with the force of fire of which each enemy must be considered, - said General Waldemar Skzkipchak, Deputy Minister of Defense, responsible for procurement in the army.

The agreement includes the purchase of 14 machines Leopard 2A4 - those that already have our troops, and 105 tanks in the newest version of 2A5. Vehicles will find, like the previous batch, from the reserves of the Bundeswehr. The first vehicles will go to Poland next year and serve to equip two battalions. It is not known what part of them will receive. It is a question of the 34 armored cavalry brigade located near the town of Zagan, which at this moment is armed with domestic PT - 91 Twardy, or 9 armored cavalry brigade from Braniewo, at the disposal of which the Soviet T-72М1.

Our armored forces have them over 500 (T-72). We want Leopards to become the main tanks of our army, - stressed the head of MO.

The remaining tanks will be transferred in batches up to 2015. The best recommendation for this tank is the opinions of the 10 soldiers of the armored cavalry brigade, who have been using 10 Leopards for years and rate them very highly. Upon receipt of new vehicles, we will be one of the largest users of these tanks in the world.

Minister Semoniak adds that the purchase of the next installment of Leo also gives a huge chance of technological development for Polish military enterprises.

I do not imagine that their further modernization, repair, service, purchase of ammunition was accompanied without their participation, - convinces General Semonyak.

The Minister also spoke of the planned modernization of the Leopards in Poland.


For us, the most profitable would be obtaining documentation for the repair of assemblies and subassemblies of the tower system and chassis, as well as obtaining certificates for obtaining materials and their technology, - considers Elizabeta Vavzhinkevich, a member of the board of the Poznań Military Enterprises, which repair and maintain the Leopards already used by our army.

Andrei Sztortik, chairman of the mechanical enterprises "Bumar Łabędy", which are part of the Polish Defense Holding, has a similar opinion.

“I would be happy if, with the purchase, we could get access to the construction documentation and technology of Leopard maintenance.”

As Marcin Irdzik, acting chairman of the PHO Board, informed, firms want to create a consortium that will put together a proposal.

We will not compete, but interact. Due to this, we have an advantage over foreign providers, - he added.

The deadline for the proposal ends on December 10. The Polish army will receive the first modernized tank in the autumn of next year. All 2A4 Leopards will be upgraded in batches until the end of 2019. Those 14 2A4 tanks that have been purchased will also undergo modernization. The cost of the modernization contract is estimated at approximately one billion zlotys.

The German Leopard 2 is the most popular main tank in the armed forces of the countries of NATO and the European Union. In addition to Germany, 11 other countries of our continent, as well as Canada, have it. Leopards 2 also bought states from Southeast Asia and South America. Interested in them as the countries of the Middle East. Since 1979, about 3,5 of thousands of these tanks have been produced. They participated in military operations in Kosovo and Afghanistan.

Our ground forces have 128 Tank Leopard 2A4, transferred from Germany to 2002-2003. They are equipped with two battalions 10 of the armored cavalry brigade, which is temporarily located in Sventoshuv.

A4 is the most popular version of the Leopard 2, which was produced in 1985-1992. During this period, previously produced combat vehicles for the German and Dutch armies were upgraded to this standard. Their licensed production is also established in Switzerland. After the end of the Cold War, the Germans resold or transferred the majority of A4 to other states, including Finland, Spain, Norway and Sweden.
The newest generation has become Leopard 2A5, which we now buy. The German army adopted a tank in 1998, in comparison with the A4 version, their booking was strengthened. A characteristic element of the design was in front of the tower in the form of a wedge. Electronics and fire control systems are also being upgraded. Prior to 2002, the Germans upgraded their tanks to the A5 version. Later, 350 of them succumbed to further upgrades to the A160 version, where the main change was a new gun with a longer barrel. The German Leopard 6A2 was the basis for the creation of several varieties for foreign armies.

The 2A4 Leopard has a combat weight of over 55 tons, a powerful engine in the 1500 HP. provides him with high mobility. The main armament of the tank is the 120-mm smoothbore gun Rh - M - 120 with a barrel length 44 caliber (5,26 m). Leopard 2A5 has similar weapons, but its combat mass has grown to 59,5 tons.

Ministry of Defense bought not only Leopards

Almost 220 of transport logistics: vehicles of technical support, trucks and SUVs, as well as equipment for the tanks bought by the Polish army from the Bundeswehr, learned portal polska - zbrojna.pl.

This is part of the agreement for the supply of Leopards. The entire contract value is about 180 million euros.

The team, which will get 2A5 Leopards (105 units) and 2A4 Leopards (14 units), will also be equipped with technical support vehicles (BREM) Bergepanzer 2. These cars can, for example, tow a damaged tank or pull it out of a marshland.

Delivery of eighteen Bergepanzer 2 - one of the points signed on Friday by the Minister of Defense Tomash Semonyak and the German chief of MO Tomas de Mezieres agreement on the delivery of Leopard tanks together with support equipment for the Polish ground forces. Under this contract, along with tanks and support vehicles, troops will also receive 120 medium-duty trucks Mercedes X X XUMUM A, 1017 light trucks U - 40L Unimog and 1300 Mercedes SUVs.

In addition to vehicles, the agreement provides for the supply of tractors. The new tanks of the Polish army will be equipped with kits for underwater driving and laser simulators for firing.

This is a great deal for Poland, - Minister Semonyak stressed on the day of the signing of the agreement. He acknowledged at the same time that before signing the agreement there were long negotiations with the German side.

The first agreement on the delivery of tanks Leopard with Germany, the Polish Ministry of Defense signed in 2002 year. This is 128 Tank Leopard 2A4. The Polish army then received logistics support vehicles from the German armed forces.

- It’s good that we bought a whole logistics rear this time too. In the 10 armored cavalry brigade, this software, that is, the five-ton Mercedes and Unimogi, came in very handy, - emphasizes Colonel Darius Navroski, deputy commander of the 10 armored cavalry brigade.

In his opinion, units with Leopards should also have technical support vehicles adapted to their needs. Why?

- Bergepanzer has the necessary power to pull the damaged tank Leopard from the battlefield. It also makes it possible to perform repairs in the field, that is, for example, raising the engine plate or the whole tower, in whose place a replacement can be inserted. Bergepanzery increases the combat capabilities of Leopards, because on the modern battlefield you can quickly return them to combat readiness, - says Col. Navroski,

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  1. mirag2
    mirag2 25 November 2013 07: 52 New
    +4
    You see, the Poles are buying German tanks (not fools) - this means that Poland is calling, calling Ukraine to the EU, and German (USA) buys and will buy tanks, but not Oploty ..
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 25 November 2013 08: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: mirag2
      that Poland is calling, calling Ukraine to the EU, but tanks are and will be bought by German (USA) - but not Oploty ..


      Friendship of Pshekia and U is only for showing, but in reality a knife keeps its bosom in the bosom, guess once for whom. Let me tell you - in order to friendship with whom loudly shouting pshek.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 25 November 2013 12: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Hudo
        but in fact a knife keeps a knife in his bosom

        Well, "psheks" act as the vanguard of NATE and in such an uncomplicated manner (sale and migration of "lepards" to "psheks") the military power of "druzhbanov" rolls over and concentrates to the borders of our brothers and us, respectively.
    2. Civil
      Civil 25 November 2013 08: 14 New
      +2
      What is Poland arming for? Unclear.
      1. Canep
        Canep 25 November 2013 08: 56 New
        +4
        The father was afraid, imposed in trousers and decided to buy weapons from the Germans.
        1. hrych
          hrych 25 November 2013 12: 18 New
          +4
          Rather, those who are behind the Old Man, i.e. Russia, plus the European Union, is very cunning and the cannon fodder is found, and it is also a weapon for balancing and servicing fools, under the guise of good discounts and other freebies. And most importantly, they will not give high-tech weapons, as well as tanks. Let the tankers not take offense at me, but the time of armored vehicles is running out of time, both due to the development of anti-tank weapons and because of the limited use of them. One thing is indispensable for tanks - good survivability in a nuclear conflict.
  2. Alikovo
    Alikovo 25 November 2013 07: 55 New
    -1
    leopard and abrams in TTX are approximately equal, T-72B in some TTX is superior to abrams.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 25 November 2013 08: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: Alikovo
      leopard and abrams on TTX are approximately equal


      Duc is only on paper "Abram" is equal to "Leo". For some reason, half of Europe sits on "Leo" and not on abrams.
      1. predator.3
        predator.3 25 November 2013 08: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Hudo
        Duc is only on paper "Abram" is equal to "Leo". For some reason, half of Europe sits on "Leo" and not on abrams.

        Since World War II, the best tanks in the world have been made by our Germans, and even now the T-90ms and the leopards of the latest modifications are the best, and, as I understand it, Poles sell B / U.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 25 November 2013 13: 53 New
          +1
          very old used. The Saudis are selling Leo 2A7. And Lyakham Leo 2 A4 and A5.
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 25 November 2013 13: 52 New
        +4
        Quote: Hudo
        For some reason, half of Europe sits on "Leo" and not on abrams.


        Why only half of Europe?

        Germany - 1351 Leopard 2 of all modifications
        Austria - 114 Leopard 2A4
        Greece - 170 Leopard 2A6HEL
        Denmark - 65 Leopard 2A5
        Spain - 108 Leopard 2A4 and 206 Leopard 2A6E
        Canada - 40 Leopard 2A4 and 20 Leopard 2A6
        Norway - 52 Leopard 2A4
        Poland - 128 Leopard 2A4
        Portugal - 38 Leopard 2A6
        Singapore - 96 Leopard 2A4
        Turkey - 298 "Leopard 2A4"
        Finland - 100 Leopard 2A4
        Chile - 140 Leopard 2A4
        Switzerland - 353 Pz-87 Leo
        Sweden - 160 Strv-121 and 120 Strv-122
        Saudi Arabia - Germany agreed to supply 600-800 Leopard 2A7 tanks to Saudi Arabia
        Indonesia - 2 Leopard 2A4, as of October 2013. In total, in 2012, the Ministry of Defense of Indonesia ordered from Germany 42 Leopard 2A4, 61 Leopard 2 Revolution
        1. танк
          танк 25 November 2013 15: 24 New
          +1
          Politics is her mother, Germany has occupied all of Europe and Africa, but for them she is like a mother, everyone wants to work with her. It’s the same with the USA. It turns out that everyone needs to be friends with you ... it’s clear what is needed)))
          And why are we so kind ep ...
    2. Akim
      25 November 2013 08: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Alikovo
      leopard and abrams in TTX are approximately equal, T-72B

      Leo2A4 can be opposed to our T-80U (UD), T-90A, BM Bulat, T-72B2.
      Leopard 2A5 correspond to the T-90MS and BM Oplot tanks. Do we have a lot of such tanks?
      1. evgenii67
        evgenii67 25 November 2013 09: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        Leo2A4 can be opposed to our T-80U (UD), T-90A, BM Bulat, T-72B2.
        Leopard 2A5 correspond to the T-90MS and BM Oplot tanks. Do we have a lot of such tanks?

        About how, that is, the T-72 is in no way against the Leopard 2A5, only to take the story of the legendary T-34 (34-85) there were more of them than the Tigers and those tiger cubs were beaten (and how many T-72s are interesting in Europe in general the number of tanks will be, if it is, obviously not in Germany and Poland combined) -that's what I need, besides we’ll fill our eyes with these adversaries for the first time.
        1. sapran
          sapran 25 November 2013 13: 13 New
          0
          when the history of the legendary T-34 was written, there was a different state and men with a different character. So your hopes that, having seen the first torch, the rest of you will be crowded with the offender are very optimistic. In addition, ask how many live machines are left in parts in this region. (although this is absurd, since the conflict is unlikely and the tanks are not "playing" in it)
        2. alone
          alone 25 November 2013 20: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: evgenii67
          About how, that is, the T-72 is in no way against the Leopard 2A5, only to take the story of the legendary T-34 (34-85) there were more of them than the Tigers and those tiger cubs were beaten (and how many T-72s are interesting in Europe in general the number of tanks will be, if it is, obviously not in Germany and Poland combined) -that's what I need, besides we’ll fill our eyes with these adversaries for the first time.


          YOU would still remember Lake Peipsi. T-34 beat tigers)). Time does not stand still.
          Today Leo is one of the best and this is a fact. And the T-72 is not a rival to him. Alas, sometimes the bitter truth is better than a sweet lie.
          1. evgenii67
            evgenii67 25 November 2013 22: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            Leo is one of the best and this is a fact. And the T-72 is not a rival to him. Alas, sometimes the bitter truth is better than a sweet lie.

            The tiger is also in many ways better than the T-34 (34-85), but .....
            1. Akim
              25 November 2013 22: 52 New
              +2
              Quote: evgenii67
              The tiger is also in many respects better than the T-34 (34-85), but ..

              but lay down packs of people and tanks. Why is it the same now?
          2. hrych
            hrych 26 November 2013 03: 20 New
            +3
            The bitter truth is that Leopard, or rather his vaunted German engineers, failed to create a reliable loading device and the crew has a super-soldier of the future called charging.
            The main weapon of the T-72 was a 125-mm smooth-bore gun D-81TM
            The main armament of all Leopard modifications is the 7 mm L1A7 or L3A105 rifled gun manufactured under a British license. I think you understand the capabilities of the caliber and the durability of a smooth barrel.
            Those. the boasted German engineers, except for British shit, were better not found, even they could not create their cannon.

            And now the combat use:
            The Danish Leopards were deployed as part of the UNPROFOR peacekeeping contingent in Bosnia and took part in several clashes with Bosnian Serbs. "Leopards" are used in military operations in Afghanistan (are in service with the Canadian contingent). Those. there was virtually no combat use of the Leopard. About the T-72 is better to be silent.

            So you need to judge the tank after the battle, i.e. in fact, and not at car dealerships and exhibitions. And so these are just words who are cooler and no more.

            If you attach a thermal imager, a navigator, etc., then the Panther and the Tiger, as well as the IS will be quite at the level, so the difference between the Tiger and the Leopard is only in the devices, and the T-72 was a qualitative jerk when the machine or robot did not just let it get rid from the loader, and also allowed to reduce weight (scientific: allows you to reduce the reserved volume and thereby increase the degree of protection (the ratio of the weight of the armor to the volume), without increasing the weight of the tank) and most importantly, almost a meter high (probably you understand what it is in battle), well, the use of a smooth barrel is again a revolutionary step. And to make an upgrade now is not a problem at all. Although the tank is a fairly conservative thing, for 60 years Kalashnikov has no equal in Iraq and Afghanistan, when staff members wear them, it turns out to be very curious. So though it sounds silly, but Abrams, Leopards and Merkava are like a Mosinka with manual charging versus AK.
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2013 09: 19 New
      +1
      I would like to see the "duel", and then judge ...
    4. sapran
      sapran 25 November 2013 12: 16 New
      +1
      You would probably be right if the M1 (the first modification) were lying somewhere in Europe, and the T-72B you specified was replaced with at least the T-72B3. With Leo, even if the A3 modification, the T-72B3 car shines for at least 600-850 meters from driving to a guaranteed beat (tests were carried out from 89 to 91), the Germans were very unhappy with the result.
  3. TRex
    TRex 25 November 2013 08: 02 New
    +3
    "A4 is the most popular version of the Leopard 2, which was produced in 1985-1992."

    And in Poland the German cars Audi-100, Mercedes in 124 body and Volkswagen Golf of the first and second series are very popular in Poland ... The Poles are friends with the Germans, they are friends. They forgot how the Fuehrer wanted to "cut through" the corridor to Konigsberg, how he rolled Poland on 01.09.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX in three weeks.
    As she was a whore, she stayed ... In general - what the hell are Leopards? If a mess starts, these same Germans will take them back and take them ... along with the territory ...
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 25 November 2013 08: 03 New
      0
      Quote: TRex
      ... In general - what the hell with them "Leopards"


      The great Polish-speaking Commonwealth is thought of by the Psheks, their neighbors need to keep an eye out for.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 25 November 2013 09: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: TRex
      The Poles are friends with the Germans, they are friends. Forgot - how the Fuhrer wanted to "cut through" the corridor to Konigsberg, how he rolled Poland on 01.09.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX


      Poland was the first to conclude a non-aggression pact with Hitler. It was signed on January 26, 1934 in Berlin for a period of 10 years. And after Munich, this hyena began military operations against Czechoslovakia, chopping off a piece of the Czech Republic from Hitler and planting in it a strong desire to take revenge.
  4. waisson
    waisson 25 November 2013 08: 16 New
    0
    and to us the fact that yes the best tank in the world among the Poles is a pity, the German is similar to the German in life (quality and superiority)
  5. Denis
    Denis 25 November 2013 08: 23 New
    +8
    it's time to make a memo with a leopard, and then they are Poles, Tsuki, formidable
    and very warlike fellow
  6. makarov
    makarov 25 November 2013 08: 24 New
    +5
    I well remember how in the early 90s the Polish media praised "Twardy", they say the best in the world, it has no analogues, well, and the like ... they say we do not need anything, we will build all the hardware ourselves .... that's the result, they get second-hand from nemaks.
    1. Denis
      Denis 25 November 2013 10: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      praised "Twardy"
      then the "hidden" T-72
  7. calocha
    calocha 25 November 2013 08: 37 New
    +6
    Poland, meanwhile, is arming itself. Russophobia is growing. NATO countries are getting ready for World War 3 ... There are more and more exercises on the Russian border ... The development of the interaction of all the combat arms on earth, in water and in the air is in full swing. If they understand that the crisis cannot be survived (resources are needed), then moved to Russia and Belarus. Before their invasion should be internal unrest in Russia ... It is necessary to work more closely with the 5th column .....
  8. HAM
    HAM 25 November 2013 08: 43 New
    +3
    quote: "I would be delighted if upon purchase we could have access to the design documentation and maintenance technology for Leopards."
    That hto give you !!!
  9. Lieutenant colonel
    Lieutenant colonel 25 November 2013 09: 17 New
    +2
    So what is the fuss about? Well, they bought it, they want more, they want documentation, etc. What are we doing for used parts in the west direction? That's right - we are modernizing our equipment and supplying new models to the troops. And so they took note of the places of deployment, entered the coordinates into the appropriate weapons - and let Poland continue to dream about the speeches burnt. Why worry - you have to do your job, preferably faster. Best regards to members of the forum. In general, I like the "Leopard" of the second series (although the T-80 is more).)))))
    1. Akim
      25 November 2013 09: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Reserve lieutenant colonel
      What are we doing for b / g parts in the western direction? That's right - we are upgrading our equipment and supplying new models to the troops

      Which one? And the T-72B3 is not the nicest upgrade. Stripped down from the Slingshot.
      1. avg
        avg 25 November 2013 11: 56 New
        0
        Dear Akim, as it were softer to say, so as not to offend. Today, criticism of the rearmament program of the RF Armed Forces by the Ukrainian patriot is somehow inappropriate.
        1. Akim
          25 November 2013 12: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: avg
          Today, criticism of the rearmament program of the RF Armed Forces by the Ukrainian patriot is somehow inappropriate.

          Yes shozh Do you perceive everything with hostility ?! I do not criticize, but ask. Treat yourself for a phobia.
          If you are a military officer, reason sensibly, and not politically, as most here comment
          What does Ukraine have to do with it? We are talking about Poland and the opposition of armored forces to it. My assessment is that so far Russia can contrast quality with quantity. Although, in truth, the eastern brigades of Poland are not very good tanks, but you see they are going to change them for better ones. Moreover, you need to understand the difference in tactics of using Leopards or RT-91.
          An interesting article was published on one of the Polish sites. Współczesna obrona terytorialna Polski według poglądów rosyjskich (Modern territorial defense of Poland according to Russian views).
          If I will not be lazy - I will translate.
          1. avg
            avg 25 November 2013 12: 35 New
            0
            Still offended. To the Khokhlov brothers, there was no phobia, and no.
            And the article should be entertaining. It would be interesting to know how the Poles know about Russian views and how they see them.
            1. Akim
              25 November 2013 12: 47 New
              +1
              Quote: avg
              Still offended. To the Khokhlov brothers, there was no phobia, and no.

              To begin with, I'm not ho ... lol and not even Ukrainian by nationality. I was not offended. What to be offended? To the truth? The modernization of the Ukrainian armed forces, is almost zero pace. It was on your part (not on your own behalf, but in general) the last two days there has been a massive criticism of the Ukrainian army, many of the critics did not even hold an assault rifle in their hands, not that they did not see the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Therefore, I myself ask that I don’t know, and I don’t rush to the unknown with a saber of criticism.
              Know how to separate these two concepts.
              1. avg
                avg 25 November 2013 12: 59 New
                0
                I already know about your nationality.
                Now any criticism of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is fair.
                I didn’t understand what concepts I should learn to share. request
                1. Akim
                  25 November 2013 13: 15 New
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                  Quote: avg
                  Didn't understand what concepts i should learn to share

                  Criticism and question. If we touch on criticism, then the T-72B3 is worse in armor protection and the MSA in front of the modernized BM Bulat and T-72B2, but for the picture of mass scale it will do. You read European sites and comments "The RF Armed Forces received 200 tanks this year"
                  - Yes, Russia is rearming, but we have nothing to answer for them (gender)
                  - Russia wants to rearm Serbia, it is urgent to modernize its M-84 in Ukraine (Horv.)
                  etc.
                  This is such an illusionary picture for society, although other facts are hidden behind the wrapper.
                  1. avg
                    avg 25 November 2013 13: 47 New
                    0
                    If you want your thoughts to be shared, then learn to articulate them clearly.
                    1. Akim
                      25 November 2013 14: 00 New
                      0
                      Where is it clearer? To comment on new models of technology, the question followed. WHAT?
                      1. avg
                        avg 25 November 2013 14: 12 New
                        0
                        Sample - WHAT.
                      2. Akim
                        25 November 2013 14: 37 New
                        0
                        Quote: avg
                        Sample - WHAT

                        Do not teach me grammar. Tea is not only bilingual. Look at the beginning of this conversation with the Lieutenant Colonel, who is in stock.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 25 November 2013 09: 32 New
    0
    Lyakhi decided to buy trophies for us, stupid idiots. It would be better to spend the loot to fight neo-Nazism
  • Fin
    Fin 25 November 2013 11: 02 New
    0
    It’s time for Deutsche to customize our kickbacks. For a fee, exercises in the Kaliningrad region and Belarus will be held regularly.
    But armored cavalry brigades - how is it? Is cavalry jumping for tanks?
  • sapran
    sapran 25 November 2013 12: 07 New
    +1
    The sensible machine, however, in this version is somewhat weaker than the MSA (difficult to learn, and requires constant training for the gunner + commander) and the barrel on it in 44 calibers is, however, provided for with new BPS. Another thing is that the modernization of this machine will be carried out aimed at improving protection and firepower (the weapon is simply gorgeous) with fire, in my opinion, one of the best (working) will eliminate the lack of visibility and installation of the TIUS elements. The Poles have already tried on "Zaslon" on the Leo-2A4 as an option for a quick modernization of protection (in principle, it is reasonable)
  • avg
    avg 25 November 2013 12: 20 New
    0
    Poles have remained with the CMEA since the habit, not only of technology, but also of ready-made production begging. Let's see how it comes out with swabs.
  • sapran
    sapran 25 November 2013 13: 28 New
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    Get off the piece. They want to get permission to carry out modernization at their enterprises with the possibility of installing not "Bosch" systems, but what they consider possible and necessary.
  • Leshka
    Leshka 25 November 2013 20: 35 New
    0
    I wonder with whom they are going to fight
  • APASUS
    APASUS 25 November 2013 21: 39 New
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    As the saying goes: A good show is more expensive than money!
    Let them be these Leopards, you know where you put them!
    Does the victim complex all haunt? After all, if anything, then the Poles will not have time to jump into the tanks - jo ... will get charred!
    Naive ?!
  • Dmitry Zurn
    Dmitry Zurn 26 November 2013 14: 17 New
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    The Polish elite does not take into account the interests of their people. After all, they produced Tvardy and other armored vehicles, there were projects of new tanks. All are now all free. Our friends are Germans. Strange people, the Poles are always crying about independence and each time they are stuck in a new dependence. Ordinary people feel sorry, because their interests are not at all interesting to anyone.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan April 3 2016 00: 50 New
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    Look at the photo, like the new Leopard 2, and on top of the factory protection screens are made of metal tape ... I wonder if the tank is not sufficiently protected from RPGs?