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Iran vs. IsraelToday, friends shared with me an interesting article called "USA: Israel. Mate in two moves". They also asked to sort out this material along the lines of the development of the Iran-Israel conflict. With great pleasure to publish this analytics.


To begin, let us examine the thesis put forward in the material as to what "The United States forced Israel to abandon the idea of ​​bombing Iran ...". In his movie "Israeli Zionism" I have repeatedly argued (with the citing relevant evidence, of course) that the elite of Israel is under the control of the transnational elite under the control of the clan of Zionist Jews, the Rothschilds. And the Rothschilds themselves are the ideologues and authors of the Jewish state’s Israelite project in Palestine. Therefore, in fact, both the United States and Israel are ruled by the same elite. So all these political shows and informational waves in the media are for the entertainment of an idle public. And "the idea of ​​bombing Iran" is not the idea of ​​Israel and Israeli politicians, but of a much more serious elite group, whose members understand all the risks of this kind of adventure and at the moment they level them. In particular, they reduce the dependence of the US economy on Middle Eastern oil and strengthen Israel by Saudi Arabia. (with the prospect of drawing Turkey, Iraqi Kurdistan, Kuwait, Qatar and Jordan into this conflict).

Also in the material there is another interesting paragraph devoted to this issue. I quote it completely: "It became known that Saudi Arabia allowed the passage of Israeli aircraft to bomb nuclear facilities in Iran. Actually, this makes little difference. Everyone knows that Israel cannot bomb Iran, it simply does not have such an opportunity. There is only one option , which Israel could have arranged, but it lies beyond Israeli capabilities. Israeli aircraft will never bring the Bunker penetrators to the goal, but even if you use the latest MOP (Massive Ordnance Penetrator GBU-57A-B, Penetrator bunkers) that weigh 10 tons, there is no r that they will be able to destroy an object that is under rocks at a depth of hundreds of meters, but then Iran will be out of reach for negotiations. But even for this, again, American planes are needed. For delivery you must use either B-2 or B -52. Now imagine that there should be a lot of targets, which means there will be too many planes. Add refueling operators to everything, and you will get dizzying traffic of planes totaling at least 50 units in the sky. For Iranian air defense it will be a “good hunt”. "

Saudi Arabia and Israel, in fact, are now on one side of the Middle Eastern barricades. This is not really surprising; I predicted exactly such a development for a long time. As for the very possibility of striking Iran, Israel has it. Israel has 309 F-16 fighters of all modifications with a combat radius of at least 1361 km and 87 F-15 of all modifications with a combat radius of at least 1967 km. To facilities in Iran, the Israeli Air Force must fly 1600 - 2500 km. For refueling in the air, the Israeli Air Force has 5 Lockheed C-130 Hercules, which, over the territory of Saudi Arabia, will be able to refuel the planes bombed over Iran in the event of conflict. At the same time, the role of Israel in this conflict is likely to be reduced to starting the conflict. And then everything will detonate by itself: Saudi Arabia, the Kurds, the US 5 fleet ...

The material correctly states that by themselves the Israeli Air Force will not be able to inflict tangible damage to Iran. F-15 and F-16 can carry bombs weighing up to 1 tons. Such a bomb cannot destroy Iran’s nuclear facilities. But for command centers, the nuclear power plant at Bushehr and other infrastructure facilities of Iran, it certainly represents a danger. Therefore, now the leadership of Iran and its armed forces should put maximum emphasis on strengthening their air defense systems, as well as early-warning systems of air attack.

Now let's summarize. Israel can certainly be used as a detonator for aggression against Iran. The conflict will lead to the catastrophe of the Jewish state, but who, in fact, asks this state in the current geopolitical realities ?! "To the morgue, then to the morgue!" (with). And on a global scale, a whole coalition of aggressors led by the United States can oppose Iran. This is what is most to be feared - and this is by no means should be allowed!
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  1. AVV
    AVV 22 November 2013 12: 02 New
    23
    If the Saudis provide their airspace for Israeli aircraft to fly, they themselves will fall into potential targets of Iran, which will first of all destroy the Saudi oil rigs, which will lead to a global increase in oil prices in the world. And the US will not be able to help here !! The global crisis will destroy the states themselves and many other Western countries. And if the United States tries to enter into conflict, then according to Iran, the latter will take all available opportunities to block the 5th US fleet in the Persian Gulf, pouring a huge amount of oil there and set it on fire. oil trading will stop, the 5th fleet will be useless! The economic effect is colossal !!! (FROM OPEN PRESS ABOUT COUNTRY'S RESPONSE TO LEVELING AGGRESSION FROM ISRAEL AND USA)
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 22 November 2013 16: 04 New
      12
      Israel versus Iran? Haha
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 22 November 2013 21: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Deniska999
        Haha



        No, a lot of plans ...
        1. Dezzed
          Dezzed 22 November 2013 22: 33 New
          +8
          Bravo! But how did you get access to the secret plans of the General Staff of Israel. Yes, and in color format.
          bow down
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 23 November 2013 00: 13 New
            +8
            [left] [/ left]
            Quote: DezzeD
            about how you were able to access the secret plans of the General Staff of Israel.


            From the movie, probably Down House quote
            With a honeymoon, be careful. I recently saw top-secret maps of the General Staff - America is not there
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 23 November 2013 00: 59 New
            +6
            Quote: DezzeD
            The secret plans of the General Staff of Israel. Yes, and in color format.

            Have you never seen a graphic document of the ground forces? Believe me, there are no "pictures" on them: solid lines, arrows and icons reflecting the plan (plan) and the stages of its implementation.
      2. Rav Seren
        Rav Seren 10 December 2013 19: 51 New
        0
        Well, Israel needs a couple of days to destroy Iran’s entire military infrastructure
    2. Xroft
      Xroft 22 November 2013 16: 21 New
      18
      See the situation realistically. Is Israel now openly bombing Syria? Yes. Has anyone stopped them? no. Is Israel conducting open operations to eliminate Iranian scientists / high command personnel? Yes. Were there any specific actions against Israel? no. As long as the United States is behind Israel's back, it will continue this way, and they will be able to deliver a bomb attack. Iran is bent over by economic sanctions, it is not for nothing that a "moderate" politician who is ready to negotiate comes to power. They do not suffer suicide to rush at the United States (even if they are now weakened) and its sixes in the form of Israel and dwarf states, which- to get a long sluggish (this is what it will be) conflict that will wear out their resources.
      Saudi Arabia is still rushing about and does not know what exactly to do, they feel that "spring" and they may happen, they frantically begin to evict crowds of immigrants from the country (the main instigators of internal conflicts, in fact, actually future militants) And is even ready to get closer to Israel to provide yourself time.
      Actually, apart from Israel, no one needs war in the east. And for them it is a matter of survival. The key question is how the States will behave in this situation. While they merged Arabia, there is a chance to merge Israel (if we are talking about a real change in the political centers of influence)
      Then there will always be an opportunity to inflate a second funeral service for the Jews from this, an excellent pretext will return to the region with a military operation (well, this is in the distant time perspective after solving key issues in Asia)
      1. bif
        bif 22 November 2013 21: 01 New
        +4
        Quote: Xroft
        Is Israel openly bombing Syria? Yes.

        These are "umbrella pricks" and their purpose is to provoke Assad and open the air defense.
        Quote: Xroft
        Israel conducts open operations to eliminate Iranian scientists / senior officers? Yes. Were there any concrete actions against Israel? not.

        Open? It was rather terrorist attacks organized by agents. Iran is doing the same.
        Quote: Xroft
        they can strike a bomb

        And no one rejects this possibility ... But WHAT HIT? To use a huge number of aircraft (hundreds of F-15, -16 and dozens of tankers and AWACS), against the air defense of a far from "banana republic" ... this will not be a walk in the park, by the way, in such a scenario, the participation of Syrian air defense cannot be ruled out. The result is huge casualties and blown up of Iranian infrastructure, but not nuclear facilities (after all, they are the main target), which, PRESENTLY, can only be "obtained" by the American GBU-57A-B (Penetrator bunkers) and only by American "strategists" - neither bombs nor aircraft from the United States will give Israel. Further, Iran will not remain in debt ... and will test the strength of the air defense of Israel and Arabia in one. The bottom line is that we could have done it already, but for now the losses far exceed the benefits.
        1. Xroft
          Xroft 23 November 2013 00: 39 New
          +6
          Quote: bif
          . Iran is doing the same.

          What are these actions? can I have some examples?
          Quote: bif
          Incidentally, the participation of Syrian air defense cannot be ruled out in such a scenario.

          What kind of Syrian air defense are you talking about? are they unable to defend their own military installations, or is it not? mythical s-300s that are somewhere possible are on the verge of fiction. There is no need to reveal anything in 2 years of the war; all locations have long been known. They would like to strike (which, in fact, was planned before Russia intervened), struck and destroyed everything that necessary.
          Quote: bif
          neither bombs nor planes of the USA will give Israel

          Americans will sell anything at a price. What is stopping them?
          Quote: bif
          Further, Iran will not remain in debt ... and will check the strength of the air defense of Israel and Arabia for one

          how will he test the strength? an old aviation fleet? the most common aircraft (65 aircraft) McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II Front-line bomber Built in the 1960s. I will more believe that some Hezbollah from Iran’s pointer will carry out a series of terrorist attacks (the damage is simply not comparable, the death of unique scientists and nuclear facilities against dozens civilians)
          No one does it because there was no opportunity and desire. Who needs it when there are other leverage? I am personally on the side of Iran, but I perfectly imagine the arrogance of the Jews when the United States stands behind.
          The question is a point operation, the purpose of which will be nuclear facilities. No one will send a squadron there. They will remove the scientists to destroy the facilities, and the program will be discarded for at least ten years. Then wait until the United States resolves issues in Asia.
        2. atalef
          atalef 23 November 2013 00: 39 New
          -1
          Quote: bif
          These are "umbrella pricks" and their purpose is to provoke Assad and open the air defense.
          Quote: Xroft

          And what to open it? If it does not work

          Quote: bif
          Open? It was rather terrorist attacks organized by agents. Iran is doing the same.

          But from now on, Stirlitz, in more detail

          Quote: bif
          in such a scenario, the participation of Syrian air defense cannot be ruled out.

          Is there air defense there? By the way, look at the globe of Syria, it does not border Iran
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 23 November 2013 11: 15 New
            0
            And what to open it? If it does not work


            So because it doesn’t work, it’s not opened. Obviously, nevertheless, modern C-300 systems were not delivered to Syria. Therefore, for long-range air defense, they are forced to use C-200 and, possibly, earlier versions of C-300. That is, and if the former are naturally given as stationary complexes, but at the same time, they are useless in EW conditions, then the latter, being mobile, are the trump card of the Syrian air defense system and there is no sense in giving out their location. As well as showing their capabilities, let’s say, perhaps, on-site upgrades were carried out, by the way, the same can be assumed for C-200. And their impact on airplanes can be much more effective than before.
            As for mobile complexes of short and medium range, Jews do not enter their coverage area. Note that strikes are carried out either along the border or along the coast. The Turks tried to brazenly fly in the reach of anti-aircraft artillery or short / medium range systems. For which they paid. So in the event that the Jews sprinkle, then they will have one or more aircraft less.
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 November 2013 11: 24 New
              0
              Quote: alicante11
              So because it doesn’t work, it’s not opened. Obviously, after all, do not put modern S-300 systems in Syria

              Well, if the task of air defense - not to find oneself during an attack by the enemy air force - is this such a new strategy?

              Quote: alicante11
              But at the same time, they are useless in the conditions of electronic warfare, then the latter, being mobile, are the trump card of the Syrian air defense system

              Right . Why trumps to pull out. until the whole country was bombed, then when, apart from the air defense, nothing remains --- then we will pull it out i.e. when there will be nothing to bomb fool

              Quote: alicante11
              . And their impact on airplanes can be much more effective than before.

              multiply zero no matter how much - zero remains the same

              Quote: alicante11
              As for mobile complexes of short and medium range, Jews do not enter their coverage area

              Probably because they were hidden inland. And what’s the problem of bringing them closer to the border --- mobile, after all, after all, and the task they have seems to be like, no tamping roads, but air defense laughing

              Quote: alicante11
              . The Turks tried to brazenly fly in the reach of anti-aircraft artillery or short / medium range systems. For which they paid

              Yes, but when the Israeli Air Force - for some reason they are shamefully silent, but the areas are the same.

              Quote: alicante11
              So in the event that the Jews sprinkle, then they will have one or more aircraft less.

              We do not cut, we will calmly, without a greyhound, fly and bomb where necessary and as much as necessary. Wash 8 times - it is enough to state the fact of the power of Syrian air defense
              1. shuhartred
                shuhartred 23 November 2013 12: 46 New
                +5
                Do you, personally, really need war? Are you an adequate person? For what and for whom are you going to "safely fly and bomb"? And the fact that people live there, normal ordinary people are like? What are all the militarists here! I hate couch warriors, and if there are real ones and they say it is even worse! Who is Iran getting in the way with its nuclear program? Everyone is allowed, but they can't what? One more thing. The capabilities of the air defense and air force are unpredictable. That's when the Po-2 arrives, and even if it accurately throws a grenade to you, you personally, out the window, that's when we'll talk about "quiet bombing" and the need for war !!
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 23 November 2013 13: 28 New
                  +4
                  But do you personally need a war?


                  Here is a strange person. He is a Jew, or a Jewish troll. Of course you need.

                  And the fact that people live there, normal ordinary people, how is it?


                  For them, we and the Syrians are not people.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 23 November 2013 13: 39 New
                    -2
                    Quote: alicante11
                    For them, we and the Syrians, not people

                    And what kind of separation is this - are we and the Syrians? people-people would write.
                    Is that how I hate racists and blacks, or what?
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 23 November 2013 16: 11 New
                      0
                      It is you who share, I do not, united just "us" and the Syrians. "
                2. Rav Seren
                  Rav Seren 10 December 2013 20: 00 New
                  +1
                  Iran is controlled by fanatics - such without hesitation they will use any weapon. And the fact that Iran had a military program can be judged by the fact that they enriched uranium to the level of 20 percent. For nothing, except for nuclear weapons such a level (as a start) is not needed. But Israel has achieved its goal - Iran is completely disarming - this is the translation of the agreement:

                  Iran has committed to stop enrichment above 5%:

                  • stop all enrichment above 5% and dismantle the technical elements necessary for enrichment above 5%.

                  Iran will neutralize its enriched uranium reserves by 20%:

                  • Dilute uranium enriched at 20% to 5% or convert to a form unsuitable for further enrichment

                  Iran pledges to halt capacity building:

                  • Do not install additional centrifuges of any type.

                  • Do not install or use any new generation centrifuges to enrich uranium.

                  • Make unsuitable half of the installed centrifuges in Natanz and three quarters of the installed centrifuges in Fordo so that they cannot be used to enrich uranium.

                  Iran ceases operations at Arak reactor:

                  • Stop the production of fuel for the reactor in Arak.

                  • Do not install any additional reactor components in Arak.

                  Unprecedented Transparency and Monitoring of Iran's Nuclear Program

                  • Ensure daily access by IAEA inspectors in Natanz and Fordo. Daily access will allow inspectors to review surveillance cameras footage to ensure comprehensive monitoring. This access will provide even greater transparency and reduce the time to detect any non-compliance with the terms of the transaction.

                  • Ensuring IAEA access to centrifuges.

                  Limited access to the financial system

                  • All sanctions against more than 600 individuals and legal entities aimed at supporting Iran’s nuclear or ballistic missile program remain in effect.

                  • Sanctions on several sectors of the Iranian economy, including shipping and shipbuilding, remain in effect.

                  • Sanctions on long-term investments and the provision of technical services to the Iranian energy sector remain in force.

                  • Sanctions on Iran’s military program remain in force.

                  • U.S. wide restrictions on trade with Iran remain in place, denying Iran access to virtually all relations with the largest economy in the world.

                  • All UN Security Council sanctions remain in effect.

                  • All sanctions related to Iranian state support for terrorism, its destabilizing role in the Syrian conflict, and its terrible human rights situation remain in force.
              2. alicante11
                alicante11 23 November 2013 13: 26 New
                -1
                Well, if the task of air defense - not to find oneself during an attack by the enemy air force - is this such a new strategy?


                Not detectable with one-time attacks. "Pin pricks". Although I have always been in favor of shooting down the Jewish air defense systems of our ships off the coast of Syria after they launched missiles.

                Right . Why trumps to pull out. until the whole country was bombed, then when, apart from the air defense, nothing remains --- then we will pull it out i.e. when there will be nothing to bomb


                Yes, do not bomb. They didn’t bomb anything serious. And do not bomb anything serious with single raids. After all, you can intercept missiles yourself. And not just airplanes. But if you try to arrange the masses, then you will get the full amount. Well, or when all your mercenaries in Syria are slaughtered. In the meantime, the point is playing, fly in small batches. You look, and the Syrian Air Force will arrange an ambush.

                multiply zero no matter how much - zero remains the same


                Are you talking about improving your intellectual level?

                Probably because they were hidden inland. And what’s the problem of bringing them closer to the border --- mobile, after all, after all, and the task they have seems to be like, no tamping roads, but air defense


                So they don’t get it.

                Yes, but when the Israeli Air Force - for some reason they are shamefully silent, but the areas are the same


                Far fly too. You come closer to the airy space. Then get it.

                We do not cut, we will calmly, without a greyhound, fly and bomb where necessary and as much as necessary. Wash 8 times - it is enough to state the fact of the power of Syrian air defense


                That's right, you have long been overthrown. Fly bye. How much rope do not curl.
            2. Rav Seren
              Rav Seren 10 December 2013 19: 55 New
              +1
              a paradox - Israeli aviation flies over Assad’s palace itself, and its air defense is inactive ... because it’s not opened ... Well, what should you name after such a conclusion?
        3. faraon
          faraon 25 November 2013 04: 49 New
          +1
          Is Israel openly bombing Syria?

          Well, the fact that Israel is bombing Syria is probably only you Beef does not know for what reason, and so the whole UN world and the world community knows therefore is silent.

          The fact is that Israel does not bombard the military positions of Assad’s army, but only destroys the weapons that are intended by Hezbollah for fighting on the side of Assad. Assad is well aware of this as the entire world community, so there is no reaction to these bombings.
        4. Rav Seren
          Rav Seren 10 December 2013 19: 57 New
          +1
          Israel has C-130 machines, which are specially converted as carriers of the GBU-57A-B (Penetrator bunkers). There have already been tests - everything worked perfectly.
    3. mirag2
      mirag2 22 November 2013 17: 23 New
      +1
      But a certain Yuval Diskin (the former head of the Israeli intelligence "shabak (t)" said that Netanyahu and Ehud Barak, two rich men, one from Caesarea, the other from the Akirova towers sell false facts to the people about Iran, and that Israel's increased arming and tensions and encourages Iran to accelerate the creation of weapons of mass destruction.
      Anyway, everything is muddy there, and with the murder of Rabin, too ...
      1. atalef
        atalef 23 November 2013 00: 40 New
        +5
        Quote: mirag2
        But a certain Yuval Diskin (the former head of the Israeli intelligence "shabak (t)" said that Netanyahu and Ehud Barak-two rich men-one from Caesarea, the other from the Akirova towers sell the people false facts about Iran

        In general, this is normal, for 2 Jews - 3 opinions.
        1. builder
          builder 23 November 2013 00: 41 New
          +1
          atalef You are not from Odessa wink
          1. atalef
            atalef 23 November 2013 00: 43 New
            +5
            Quote: stroitel
            atalef You are not from Odessa

            Generally from Peter
            And does that change?
            1. builder
              builder 23 November 2013 00: 46 New
              +2
              And does that change?

              not what drinks hi
              1. atalef
                atalef 23 November 2013 00: 49 New
                +1
                Quote: stroitel
                not what

                And I for that. hi
        2. faraon
          faraon 25 November 2013 04: 54 New
          +1
          Well, here it can be paraphrased that in Russia there are two rich GDP and his prime minister specially pursuing a policy of ethnic hatred.
          This is about the same nonsense that you wrote in your comment.
    4. mirag2
      mirag2 22 November 2013 17: 26 New
      +1
      And to create nuclear weapons it is necessary to enrich uranium to at least 80%.
      And using centrifuges to enrich it is very difficult, easier according to the American diffuse method.
      That is, Iran’s creation of a bomb is a myth.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 23 November 2013 01: 21 New
        +5
        Quote: mirag2
        using centrifuges to enrich it is very difficult, easier according to the American diffuse method.
        That is, Iran’s creation of a bomb is a myth.

        The diffuse method can be more effective than the centrifuge method, but much more expensive. That is why the USSR received enriched uranium through centrifuges. Iran follows the same path, although French technology is spinning there. Therefore, the Iranian bomb is the harsh reality of our days, a nightmare for the chosen ones.
        1. faraon
          faraon 25 November 2013 04: 58 New
          0
          It is precisely that this is reality, not myth. That the two rich people are selling false facts to the people.
          And also in the near future it will moan the headache of Russia.
      2. Rav Seren
        Rav Seren 10 December 2013 20: 09 New
        +1
        After the agreement is signed - for sure, because there is complete disarmament of Iran:
        Iran has committed to stop enrichment above 5%:

        • stop all enrichment above 5% and dismantle the technical elements necessary for enrichment above 5%.

        Iran will neutralize its enriched uranium reserves by 20%:

        • Dilute uranium enriched at 20% to 5% or convert to a form unsuitable for further enrichment

        Iran pledges to halt capacity building:

        • Do not install additional centrifuges of any type.

        • Do not install or use any new generation centrifuges to enrich uranium.

        • Make unsuitable half of the installed centrifuges in Natanz and three quarters of the installed centrifuges in Fordo so that they cannot be used to enrich uranium.

        Iran ceases operations at Arak reactor:

        • Stop the production of fuel for the reactor in Arak.

        • Do not install any additional reactor components in Arak.

        Unprecedented Transparency and Monitoring of Iran's Nuclear Program

        • Ensure daily access by IAEA inspectors in Natanz and Fordo. Daily access will allow inspectors to review surveillance cameras footage to ensure comprehensive monitoring. This access will provide even greater transparency and reduce the time to detect any non-compliance with the terms of the transaction.

        • Ensuring IAEA access to centrifuges.

        Limited access to the financial system

        • All sanctions against more than 600 individuals and legal entities aimed at supporting Iran’s nuclear or ballistic missile program remain in effect.

        • Sanctions on several sectors of the Iranian economy, including shipping and shipbuilding, remain in effect.

        • Sanctions on long-term investments and the provision of technical services to the Iranian energy sector remain in force.

        • Sanctions on Iran’s military program remain in force.

        • U.S. wide restrictions on trade with Iran remain in place, denying Iran access to virtually all relations with the largest economy in the world.

        • All UN Security Council sanctions remain in effect.

        • All sanctions related to Iranian state support for terrorism, its destabilizing role in the Syrian conflict, and its terrible human rights situation remain in force.
    5. mirag2
      mirag2 22 November 2013 17: 28 New
      -5
      An interesting point of view about the participation of the Fed in this topic ...
      http://youtu.be/b0PC30Cbxp4
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 22 November 2013 20: 26 New
        +6
        now the reservists of Tsahal will fly in and virtually tear apart the Persian adversaries laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef 23 November 2013 00: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: strannik595
          now the reservists of Tsahal will fly in and virtually tear apart the Persian adversaries laughing

          in general, the information for those who are in the tank, we have every reservist, flies once a week - these are reservists, I certainly don’t know how many hours a Russian Air Force pilot flies per year - but somehow the numbers quoted are less than our reservists.
        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 23 November 2013 01: 20 New
          +6
          Quote: strannik595
          now the reservists of Tsahal will fly in and virtually tear apart the Persian adversaries laughing


          I'm afraid that I will disappoint, I opened the article - I thought something sensible, but it turned out - just another scandal against "cool" Iran against the background of "sickly" Israel, with an admixture of conspiracy theories, REN-TV nervously smokes on the sidelines. There are good articles on this site where you can discuss with people who are really in the subject - military, engineers, analysts, and sometimes they give out something like that for the sake of "hurray-patriots", I don't see a real topic for discussion here.
          They want to take this for real coin? Yes, please - I’m not sorry, this will not affect reality anyway. An article was published about the new weapons of the PRC and the new appointment of Serdyukov’s ward, I’ll go there - it's more interesting there. Good night everybody hi
          1. Hug
            Hug 23 November 2013 04: 09 New
            +5
            Perhaps I will follow your example - I read something more decent. After all, there are other authors who, so to speak, with consciousness and do not write such nonsense.
            Well, as for who will benefit from the fire in the Persian Gulf, it seems to me that this is only Russia, because oil prices will jump. And energy carriers are one of the main items of the budget revenues. Somehow it is necessary to support the social sphere, and the "servants of the people" have not stopped emptying the budget ... By the way, where are Serdyukov's comrades now? - That's it! There is someone to support and promote them.

            By the way, don't worry about "poor" Israel - it has already stood up for itself more than once and will be able to stand up, especially against the "POWERFUL" Iranian Armed Forces. I understand that the dream of destroying Israel and hatred of Jews still lives in the hearts of many. But, as answered a question about the state of health, one Odessa resident: "Do not wait, s-uki!"
            But, seriously, according to Freud: "The dream is stronger than the arguments of reason"
  2. AVV
    AVV 22 November 2013 12: 02 New
    +2
    If the Saudis provide their airspace for Israeli aircraft to fly, they themselves will fall into potential targets of Iran, which will first of all destroy the Saudi oil rigs, which will lead to a global increase in oil prices in the world. And the US will not be able to help here !! The global crisis will destroy the states themselves and many other Western countries. And if the United States tries to enter into conflict, then according to Iran, the latter will take all available opportunities to block the 5th US fleet in the Persian Gulf, pouring a huge amount of oil there and set it on fire. oil trading will stop, the 5th fleet will be useless! The economic effect is colossal !!! (FROM OPEN PRESS ABOUT COUNTRY'S RESPONSE TO LEVELING AGGRESSION FROM ISRAEL AND USA)
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 22 November 2013 22: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: AVV
      If the Saudis provide their airspace for the passage of Israeli aircraft

      Why shouldn't the Saudis provide Israel with airfields? The planes will turn around faster, again, instead of PTBs, you can hang "extra" bombs (they will not be superfluous).
      Well, the fact that ordinary bombs will not penetrate the entire rock mass - but they will smash the Iranian infrastructure, even the same power plants, in half. Without electricity, tunnels do not dig, and centrifuges do not spin. And another conventional bombing of Iranian airfields and missile launchers will deprive Iran of the opportunity to retaliate against the Saudis, especially against Israel.
      So the scenario is:
      The 1st wave carries out the Iranian air defense and missiles with a range greater than "hails".
      The 2nd wave and subsequent ones bomb nuclear objects to choose from (well, not all the Iranians have caves, most of them are on the surface) and infrastructure.
      Do not forget that the Saudis, at least on paper, are also not weak Air Force. If their pilots are not completely stupid, and the leadership wants to participate, then the polar fox will come to Iran.
      1. shuhartred
        shuhartred 24 November 2013 23: 38 New
        +1
        Do you think Iran is completely helpless? I have a high opinion of the fighting ability of the Israeli army after all, they have been fighting for 50 years. But underestimating the enemy always comes sideways, even if the Germans from the 41st ask. It is as if Iran lives in the Stone Age and has nothing to strike at Israel. Although I repeat again against the war, it is not worth it. Iran does not threaten Israel in any way. You can only fight if you were attacked by IMHO.
        1. builder
          builder 24 November 2013 23: 39 New
          -1
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lge_75B8jWY
        2. faraon
          faraon 25 November 2013 04: 39 New
          +2
          That's just Israel for all attempts to get Iran’s nuclear weapons, it takes seriously. If Iran plays its eastern games with Russia, smiles and flatters, then Israel wants to wipe it off. Nobody speaks for the Stone Age, Iran is a fairly well-developed country, with its scientific potential, but one thing, but before the Islamic Revolution, Ayyatol had friendly relations with Israel, but as soon as the revolution passed, Iran immediately changed its ideology and policy towards Israel.
          Read the statement of the former president Ahmedinidzhad, (and this is one of the first persons of the State, not Vasya Pupkin, who can say what he wants), but officially declared the destruction of the state of Israel. So, underestimating Iran’s capabilities would be a mistake on the part of Israel.
          1. shuhartred
            shuhartred 25 November 2013 21: 38 New
            0
            Excuse me, is there a video? And I can’t believe that such a serious leader makes such delusional remarks. ................ deleted by the moderator. Well, as for the Iranian nuclear weapons, even if they have nothing to deliver it to them. Then, in Iran there are no fools and are well aware that if they are used, they will immediately fly back in reply and there is no Iran on the map, and then such things start for everyone little will not seem. Bomb ourselves in the Stone Age and all. I think Iran will not start first. The main thing is that in Israel they would change their minds and also not start, because then we will not stop and hello earth civilization. The main thing is completely not clear why.
  3. Stiletto
    Stiletto 22 November 2013 16: 00 New
    13
    Good hunting Iranian air defense in the event of the implementation of such a scenario!
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 22 November 2013 16: 45 New
      -14 qualifying.
      Quote: Stiletto
      Good hunting Iranian air defense in the event of the implementation of such a scenario!

      Do they have air defense? Aren't you funny about your statements?
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 22 November 2013 16: 57 New
        10
        Quote: Nayhas
        Do they have air defense? Aren't you funny about your statements?


        I hasten to upset you, it’s quite even, if not the latest

        A certain amount of C-300 of unknown modification (from several units to several divisions), also reported that they could be delivered to the country without missiles;
        29 PU "Tor-М1" (17 "Tor-М1" on the track and more 12 complexes in towed version of the "Tor-М1Т", supplied 1200 9М331 missiles);
        12-16 divisions (150 PU) SAM "Hawk";
        8-10 divisions (45 PU Chinese SIRM HQ-2J)
        Unspecified number from 10 to 200 units PU ZRK C-200;
        Around 200 PU ZRK "Mersad" of its own production;
        5 batteries - 30 PU of British air defense systems of short-term "Rapier";
        15 PU TIRKATET;
        10 ZRPK "Pantsir-С1".
        A certain amount of the Kvadrat air defense missile system;
        A number of FM-80, which is the Chinese equivalent of the French "Crotal".

        + portable

        Man-portable air defense systems: up to 1000 MANPADS of various types as part of ground forces, mainly Soviet-made. Including: 200 "Strela-3", 250 "Strela-2M", 190 Chinese HN-5A (analogue of "Arrow-2"), 100 "Needle-1", 50 RBS-70 and 50 Stinger.
        Anti-aircraft artillery is represented by more than 1000 artillery shells, both as part of the ground forces and as part of the air force.

        http://topwar.ru/26902-pvo-irana.html
        1. alone
          alone 22 November 2013 23: 18 New
          +6
          Of all that is listed, only the torus and the shells can do something. The rest of the old trash, with a powerful reb, will stupidly look at the sky.
        2. Rav Seren
          Rav Seren 10 December 2013 20: 14 New
          0
          All from the words of the Iranians themselves - and they always lie. S-300 has never been delivered to Iran. the rest is obsolete trash. However, if the S-300 had been delivered. The Israeli Air Force in the exercises in Cyprus have long disassembled this system, and they have excellent means of combating it. Which is not particularly difficult - since the conclusions of Israeli experts on the combat effectiveness of the S-300 were the most derogatory - the system is morally obsolete even before being adopted and is not capable of any real serious opposition.
      2. Tatarus
        Tatarus 22 November 2013 18: 39 New
        +1
        How the hell did you get pierced. Once again, the grand-eater cannot be smart, only experienced. And that emotion seems to have defeated the experience. -1 from the enemy camp
    2. Cherdak
      Cherdak 22 November 2013 21: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Stiletto
      Good Hunt Iran Air Defense


      It is embarrassing that something is suspiciously close to the Caspian ... No matter how it was necessary to carry out exercises there.
  4. Oskar
    Oskar 22 November 2013 16: 01 New
    +9
    After Syria is deprived of chemical weapons (not without our help, alas), probably the most "interesting" will begin ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 16: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: Oskar
      After Syria is deprived of chemical weapons (not without our help, alas), probably the most "interesting" will begin ...

      It is possible that for the sake of disarmament of Syria this performance was played. The Iranian Air Force will not reach Israel, but Syria could hammer a chemical weapon, after all, the allies, and the border with Israel, can be reached.
      1. Kushadasov
        Kushadasov 22 November 2013 17: 54 New
        +8
        Even if it is hypothetically assumed that Assad will use chemical weapons, in any situation he will be declared a criminal against humanity around the world. And they won’t look that this is from hopelessness. And here, neither Russia nor China will help. Therefore, I think they are doing the right thing, that they are destroying, and at the same time gaining time for some multi-paths (not without the participation of the Russian Federation), which we do not know about. IMHO
      2. Vasek
        Vasek 22 November 2013 21: 32 New
        +7
        I think they need Syria in the form of a Pipe, because the Strait of Hormuz can really close / spoil Iran.
        And as for Iran, I would not delude myself, I remember Griboyedov at the word "Iran" ...
      3. faraon
        faraon 25 November 2013 05: 07 New
        0
        That’s why they saved Syria from chemical weapons, Israel’s tactics of delivering preemptive strikes, and if they are hit, objects and warehouses with chemical weapons, who will suffer, Israel, Iran. No, first of all, Syria and its citizens. without good.
      4. Rav Seren
        Rav Seren 10 December 2013 20: 24 New
        +1
        And now Israel doesn’t even have to hit Iran - it’s completely disarming: here is the translation of the text of the agreement:

        Iran has committed to stop enrichment above 5%:

        • stop all enrichment above 5% and dismantle the technical elements necessary for enrichment above 5%.

        Iran will neutralize its enriched uranium reserves by 20%:

        • Dilute uranium enriched at 20% to 5% or convert to a form unsuitable for further enrichment

        Iran pledges to halt capacity building:

        • Do not install additional centrifuges of any type.

        • Do not install or use any new generation centrifuges to enrich uranium.

        • Make unsuitable half of the installed centrifuges in Natanz and three quarters of the installed centrifuges in Fordo so that they cannot be used to enrich uranium.

        Iran ceases operations at Arak reactor:

        • Stop the production of fuel for the reactor in Arak.

        • Do not install any additional reactor components in Arak.

        Unprecedented Transparency and Monitoring of Iran's Nuclear Program

        • Ensure daily access by IAEA inspectors in Natanz and Fordo. Daily access will allow inspectors to review surveillance cameras footage to ensure comprehensive monitoring. This access will provide even greater transparency and reduce the time to detect any non-compliance with the terms of the transaction.

        • Ensuring IAEA access to centrifuges.

        Limited access to the financial system

        • All sanctions against more than 600 individuals and legal entities aimed at supporting Iran’s nuclear or ballistic missile program remain in effect.

        • Sanctions on several sectors of the Iranian economy, including shipping and shipbuilding, remain in effect.

        • Sanctions on long-term investments and the provision of technical services to the Iranian energy sector remain in force.

        • Sanctions on Iran’s military program remain in force.

        • U.S. wide restrictions on trade with Iran remain in place, denying Iran access to virtually all relations with the largest economy in the world.

        • All UN Security Council sanctions remain in effect.

        • All sanctions related to Iranian state support for terrorism, its destabilizing role in the Syrian conflict, and its terrible human rights situation remain in force.
    2. DEfindER
      DEfindER 22 November 2013 16: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: Oskar
      After depriving Syria of chemical weapons (not without our help, alas) it will begin

      This is what Israel sought, only it is beneficial to deprive Syria of chemical weapons and Iran’s nuclear weapons, which would become absolutely invulnerable in the region ..
      1. Muadipus
        Muadipus 22 November 2013 18: 21 New
        +3
        The use of chemical weapons would tie the hands of Russia, and so. Syria has enough missiles for a massive strike, plus Hezbollah will help and no iron dome will save. Egypt and Jordan are not yet predictable players.
        And I don’t understand how the Israeli F-15s are going to fly past Syria? A missile strike from one horizon is one thing, and it is another thing to go such a long way. Without Turkey, as an ally, the idea of ​​a war with Iran is utopian. And the trump card is Russia, which will receive real benefits from this war.

        Peaceful people only feel sorry for both children and those and those. And they will definitely suffer. War is scary.
        1. faraon
          faraon 25 November 2013 05: 29 New
          -1
          An interesting idea about Syria’s air defense, I won’t go into subtleties. But I’ll ask one thing why it is silent. ???? Syria is now exhausted by the war, what kind of massive strike are you talking about. Assad’s extra body movement will lead him to disaster, and he knows it perfectly, and not to him. Hezbollah is certainly an adversary but not one who can take action in an open war against Israel. This organization can conduct guerrilla warfare but no more. If the attack is repeated as it was in 2008, Nasrala can pack suitcases and get into Sudan and write memoirs. The Government of Lebanon for the second time will not allow the defeat of the country. The economy of Lebanon the second time it will not pull.
          Egypt and Jordan will not take part in this. At the beginning of hostilities, they immediately lose American support. And it’s worth it. Russia will not step on the same rake a second time. Yes, and far away it’s 6th Amer fleet close.
          So not everything is so hopeless. But as you rightly pointed out, Russia will receive huge benefits from this event, which means it will not interfere, the Saudis will also grab some of the pie, Well, Israel will again ward off the threat of destruction. The game is worth the candle
          1. Muadipus
            Muadipus 27 November 2013 23: 26 New
            0
            Mlyn wrote such a text and an error occurred.
            Again and in short, and in order:
            1. There is a difference between single strikes using dead air defense zones and regular group flights to bomb Iran, along the Syrian border, along the air defense coverage area. And today air defense is also mobile.
            2. No one speaks of a war alone against Israel, nor Hezbollah or Syria. But if Israel attacks Iran, Syria will go to war.
            3.
            Egypt and Jordan will not take part in this. At the outbreak of hostilities, they immediately lose American support.
            it costs nothing and Libya confirms this. And is this not why Jordan and Egypt are wedging Russian wedges today?
            4.
            For the second time, Russia will not step on the same rake. Yes, and far away it is, and the 6th Amer fleet is close.
            The 6th fleet is just an abstract thing, that is, that is, it does not exist. And just the USA is far away, and Russia is nearby. in addition, the United States will not intervene, as well as Russia. Both will show off throwing and shaking harness. I do not understand what kind of rake it is about?
            5.
            So not everything is so hopeless
            I completely agree! May there be Peace in the whole World!
            6 ..
            But as you rightly noted, Russia will receive huge benefits from this event, which means it will not interfere,
            To interfere with whom? the point is not only in the every-minute benefit of rising prices. I hope you really don’t think so !?
            7.
            The Saudis will also grab some of the pie, Well, Israel will once again ward off the threat of destruction.
            )) "Lyulei" will grab the Saud and not the pie. When did you see Saud at war? In 1934? today they are fighting with someone else's hands, not with their own. Here Israel - then give glorious lads - BUT! they are few. And as soon as it becomes clear that Israel is bursting at the seams, everyone will fall on it, even Estonians and Latvians, not to mention Egypt, Jordan and Turkey ... It will truly be a "21st century crusade."

            After all, I did not say anything new. I don’t understand why you pretend that you don’t understand these simple things.
        2. Rav Seren
          Rav Seren 10 December 2013 20: 30 New
          +1
          Yes, they will fly without problems. Syrian air defense is a hole. And the iron dome is the most effective short-range missile defense system. And she keeps the first massive blow calmly - and there simply will not be a second one - the entire launch zone will be turned into hell.
      2. bif
        bif 22 November 2013 22: 11 New
        +4
        Quote: DEfindER
        Quote: Oskar
        After depriving Syria of chemical weapons (not without our help, alas) it will begin

        This is exactly what Israel sought, only it is beneficial to deprive Syria of chemical weapons .... that would become absolutely invulnerable in the region ..

        And here it is just the opposite.
        "As a result of the Russian initiative to disarm Assad, Syria is becoming more vulnerable. Chemically disarmed, Syria becomes almost defenseless against the oppressive West and even Israel. Russian supplies of the most modern anti-aircraft weapons seem necessary to preserve the country's defense capability. What Assad was holding back the West today. and Israel, now they will have to cover with Russian-made air defense missiles ... Putin practically shortens the hands of those who want to bomb. And in this case, the world, of course, becomes safer. Whoever wants to bomb, be it the USA or Israel, now it will be not so easy...
        Americans became aware that Russian ships are not only going to take Russian citizens out of Syria, but they also sailed there not empty. This is known for certain, but why does the American side not object to this?

        Some details of Putin’s conversation with Obama are becoming known. So, the proposal to transfer Syrian chemical weapons under the control of the international community came precisely from Putin, and today Putin no longer hides this. Lavrov is modest and says that this is a “not entirely Russian proposal”, it’s clear that the Russian side is just saving Obama, and he was glad for this turn of events, but when he heard that in return, as a deterrent, Russia would provide Assad with air defense systems, it was this that led Obama to that same sadness. His main task was to take Assad warm and, removing the chemical weapons from Syria, Obama considered the task to be completed, but when he found out that the Syrian sky would be impregnable in return, then his sad melancholy stole his breath. In the end, what is happening can be considered the lesser of evils.

        In fact, this only worsened the position of the United States and complicated the task for the Pentagon. All the risks of the Pentagon were still on the ground, that is, if American soldiers do not go to Syria, then chemical. weapons are powerless against them. But if, instead of sarin, Syria has the latest air defense, then the danger is no longer only during ground invasion, but also during air attacks. In fact, Putin hobbled Obama lovingly and tenderly. No one will dare to send American troops to Syria without air raids ... "
        http://contrpost.com/ru/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3344-asad-teryaet-suverenitet
        http://contrpost.com/ru/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3334-obstruktsiya-po-chernomu
        1. faraon
          faraon 25 November 2013 05: 41 New
          0
          Syria will appear the latest air defense, then the danger is not only with a ground invasion, but with air attacks is more obvious. In fact, Putin affectionately and gently hobbled Obama. Without air raids, no one would dare to send American troops to Syria.

          How do you imagine this? The appearance of a new generation of anti-terrorist attacks from Syria. Do you think that Syria will be allowed to have a civilian-won stint, the latest air defense., I personally doubt it.
          After the victory of Assad, he needs to restore the country, and not air defense, otherwise the citizens of Syria will not understand what his collapse would mean.
          Well, let's say that the air defense systems at the BDK, but as soon as they begin to be unloaded, they simply will not be able to deploy, so the idea itself will not lead to anything. They will allow it to have what they say and then Russia can do nothing.
          1. Muadipus
            Muadipus 28 November 2013 00: 04 New
            0
            Well, the S-300 is, in your understanding, the latest air defense, but in our old stuff. The S-400 in Algeria is something more or less new.
            After the victory of Assad, he needs to restore the country, and not air defense, otherwise the citizens of Syria will not understand what his collapse would mean.
            Why crash? and he won the war and covered the sky, agreed on the restoration of the country. Get the honor and love of the people.

            Well, let's say that the air defense systems at the BDK, but as soon as they begin to be unloaded, they simply will not be able to deploy, so the idea itself will not lead to anything. They will allow it to have what they say and then Russia can do nothing.
            Hollywood is not trending now)) my wife says that South Korean Drama are now in charge. :)

            Please do not be offended, but I read your comments and understand that you do not need to put the flag of Israel in your profile, and so it’s clear where you are from. You have other priorities and values. they are poisoned by shit more liberal.

      3. alicante11
        alicante11 23 November 2013 11: 26 New
        +1
        And why do you think that the possession of several nuclear warheads will make Jewishstan invulnerable? Is there enough of them to cover the entire desert desert with glass? If you fall on all sides, no nuclear weapons will help.
        1. faraon
          faraon 25 November 2013 05: 45 New
          0
          Quote: alicante11
          And why do you think that the possession of several nuclear warheads will make Jewishstan invulnerable? Is there enough of them to cover the entire desert desert with glass? If you fall on all sides, no nuclear weapons will help.

          Nobody talks about vulnerability or not. It’s just that Israel does not have large territories, and under circumstances not favorable for Israel, it can slam the door loudly. This is scary because Israel has nothing to lose, there will be no second Auschwitz.
      4. faraon
        faraon 25 November 2013 05: 10 New
        0
        Which means it’s not vulnerable, it just can’t be like there are no tanks that don’t burn. It doesn’t avert the threat, but about hegemony in the region, it’s a respected one that you have turned down.
    3. Asgard
      Asgard 22 November 2013 16: 44 New
      21
      The Saudis will be taken away the right to sell oil .... destroying the oil production towers by the war))
      Chaos will begin in the world, everything will rise in price, Europe does not have armies with heavy weapons, but it is full of migrants and a lot of problems ....
      The ECB began at a frantic pace to print money, like the Fed-quantitative easing in the EU (which was NEVER)), the Breton-Woods agreement is fulfilled ONLY by RUSSIA)))))
      The US Congress allowed the government to borrow money ANYTHING .... TILL FEBRUARY ...
      Superstranny decision and identity for the first time in the life of the dollar)))))
      With Gold, attempts to regain from the United States ended .....
      Everyone understood that THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN-NEVER)))))

      In an interesting time we live comrades))))
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 22 November 2013 16: 46 New
        12
        Quote: Asgard
        In an interesting time we live comrades))))

        life has become better, life has become more fun, the neck has become thinner, but longer fellow
    4. alicante11
      alicante11 23 November 2013 11: 24 New
      -1
      After Syria is deprived of chemical weapons (not without our help, alas), probably the most "interesting" will begin ...


      And how could Syria help XO?
      If yavreiv have nuclear weapons? Yes, and do not care for politicians on average. Only they would have fought worse, justified the massacre of the civilian population and that’s all.
  5. Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 22 November 2013 16: 01 New
    +3
    I think that all this talk about a possible strike is just to make Iran more accommodating. Although the possibility of a blow cannot be ruled out. Wait and see.
    1. Guun
      Guun 22 November 2013 16: 47 New
      +1
      Iraq scared scared and inflicted the whole flock. The question with Iran is that it will either lie under mattresses or be destroyed like Iraq by Saddam.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 23 November 2013 01: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Guun
        with Iran - it will either lie under mattresses or be destroyed like Iraq by Saddam.

        The question, of course, is interesting (c)
        Iran will not fall under the states. Most likely they will find an acceptable compromise, continuing to quietly rivet YaB. Well, when they announce the possession of nuclear weapons, then "it will be too late to drink Borjomi." Then both Israel and the United States will have to regret the missed opportunities. Iran views the issue of possession of nuclear weapons as a guarantee of its security and leadership in the Islamic world. Therefore, this is a national idea and, above all, the task of the country and its leadership.
  6. Ihrek
    Ihrek 22 November 2013 16: 04 New
    -1
    If Israel begins to bomb Iran, it will be the end of Israel itself and some countries in the region, including Iran. Therefore, no one will bomb anyone.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 22 November 2013 16: 48 New
      21
      Quote: Jamal
      If Israel starts bombing Iran, it will be the end of Israel itself


      Let's not go down to the level of Petrosyan.
      I hope you said this without taking into account the experience of the Arab-Israeli wars? Israel's war against the entire Arab world, which we supplied with excellent (best) weapons that the Jews did not have, showed what Arabs were warriors and allowed him to significantly expand his territory. And now Iran is alone and in fact in a blockade. The Arab world is drowning in "spring", Syria in blood. The Jews can calmly ruin it like Iraq in due time and the Saudis will still help them, but they do not do this and it’s not a retaliatory strike, bombing a piece of land on which there are more Plestinians and their shrines than Jews?

      And why does everyone forget how Egypt sold us to which the dam was built and the factories for free and the canal were cleared of mines for the same freebie? How did Syria sell us when it was good? (in the late 70s, she went to the creation of "free zones" and the attraction of Western capital, and by the mid-80s she forgot about the five-year plans about the USSR and the Syrian army took an active part in the "Desert Storm" in 1991. The flank was attacked by the 1st and 2nd US Marine Divisions and the infantry and tank divisions of the Saudi Army, Egypt, Kuwait and Syria.) Don't you remember or don't know?
      For us, the Arab world is as much an ally as the African one. While there is a freebie. Our policy in the East should be without "fraternal" embraces, only benefit for our country, Syria beats terrorists? We help and how we help (Putin wrote off 73% of the Syrian debt of the USSR, which is estimated at $ 13,4 billion) because we are doing a common cause, but without fanaticism, since in the East, men had only two worthy occupations - war and trade, it was so, but now they successfully combine one thing with another.
      1. alone
        alone 22 November 2013 23: 23 New
        +3
        You + Vadim definitely. Many have too short a memory good
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 22 November 2013 23: 51 New
          +4
          Quote: lonely
          definitely, many have too short a memory

          hi Whoever remembers the old, that eye is gone, and whoever forgets, both of them
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 23 November 2013 13: 55 New
        -1
        Do you hope this is said without taking into account the experience of the Arab-Israeli wars?


        Somehow I don’t recall Iran’s participation in them.
    2. alone
      alone 22 November 2013 23: 21 New
      +6
      Quote: Jamal
      If Israel begins to bomb Iran, it will be the end of Israel itself and some countries in the region, including Iran. Therefore, no one will bomb anyone.


      How will Israel end? if during 65 years fighting with all neighboring states he did not come to an end.
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  8. andrei332809
    andrei332809 22 November 2013 16: 10 New
    0
    No, how stubbornly the Israeli woman is trying to remain the only BV country that has the entire arsenal of omp. and interestingly, it doesn’t participate in any agreements, but try the throne, such a stink will rise all over the world.
    so the only conclusion is that what is supposed to be for jupiter is not for the bull.
  9. atalef
    atalef 22 November 2013 16: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: Jamal
    If Israel begins to bomb Iran, it will be the end of Israel itself and some countries in the region, including Iran. Therefore, no one will bomb anyone.

    I've often thought about it. why 400 million Arabs around for so many years could not do anything with Israel, read your comment and .... understood wassat
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 16: 16 New
      +9
      Joker you however laughing
      Quote: atalef
      why 400 million Arabs around for so many years and could not do anything

      You just have a nuclear warhead, and an older brother overseas.
      1. atalef
        atalef 22 November 2013 16: 21 New
        -2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        You just have a nuclear warhead, and an older brother overseas.

        Well, it was before the last wars, only our friend was overseas, and the Arabs were closer, why didn’t it grow together? Toli is a friend - not a friend, or Arabs ... read the commentary on Jamal, logic rules laughing
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 16: 29 New
          10
          Quote: atalef
          read Jamal's comment, logic drives laughing

          You mean, Logic smokes? May Jamal not take offense at me. Israel will never snarl at one hat at Iran, but the multi-way combination for drawing Iran into a warrior is just in the style of your state. hi
          1. Hug
            Hug 23 November 2013 04: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: atalef
            read Jamal's comment, logic drives laughing

            ... but the multi-way combination for drawing Iran into a warrior is just in the style of your state. hi


            Promising idea!
            Fresh image of a Jew:
            general aggressor
            from tailor to professor.

            Igor Guberman
    2. Vasek
      Vasek 22 November 2013 21: 41 New
      0
      Nebuchadnezzar Arabs have not yet chosen fool
    3. Old skeptic
      Old skeptic 22 November 2013 21: 54 New
      -1
      Quote: atalef
      I've often thought about it. why 400 million Arabs around for so many years could not do anything with Israel, read your comment and .... understood


      About what kind of Jews are cool warriors, is that you tell Germany.
      And the Arabs are just camel drivers.

      So sho, you don’t have to get a dude.

      You either bend your fingers, because about the Holocaust whine. Great warriors damn ....
      1. Old skeptic
        Old skeptic 22 November 2013 22: 03 New
        +3
        Like this, in Hebrew put a minus and not a single counter argument.
        Or maybe we’ll discuss it. angry
        Although och, it's me .... well ..........
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 22 November 2013 22: 11 New
          +7
          Quote: Old Skeptic
          Like this, in Hebrew put a minus and not a single counter argument.
          Or maybe we’ll discuss it.

          What is there to discuss? Opinion does not coincide with their opinion. So - wrong, deserves a minus ... request
          1. Old skeptic
            Old skeptic 22 November 2013 22: 15 New
            +5
            Yes, Jewish polemists are just like warriors.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 22 November 2013 22: 57 New
              +1
              That is awesome! I'm glad, I'm glad that you admitted it 8) Your opinion is very valuable to me 8)
            2. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 23 November 2013 00: 22 New
              +3
              Quote: Old Skeptic
              Yes, Jewish polemists are just like warriors.

               At night, the bosses languish and go wild,
               wild dream freezes regal eggs:
               that the Chinese are suddenly fighting like the Jews,
               and the Jews bred like the Chinese.
              Igor Guberman
            3. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 23 November 2013 08: 50 New
              0
              Quote: Old Skeptic
              Yes, Jewish polemists are just like warriors.

              But they are good saboteurs wassat
        2. atalef
          atalef 23 November 2013 00: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Old Skeptic
          Although, why, it's me .... well ....
          \
          Really. what you do not learn to discuss, read at least something on the topic, then maybe we'll talk.
      2. Turkestan
        Turkestan 22 November 2013 22: 41 New
        +8
        Quote: Old Skeptic
        Quote: atalef
        I've often thought about it. why 400 million Arabs around for so many years could not do anything with Israel, read your comment and .... understood


        About what kind of Jews are cool warriors, is that you tell Germany.
        And the Arabs are just camel drivers.

        So sho, you don’t have to get a dude.

        You either bend your fingers, because about the Holocaust whine. Great warriors damn ....


        Well brother you got excited here

        During the war, 500 thousand Jews served in the Red Army. Among the various branches of the armed forces, their distribution was as follows: in aviation - 7,2%, in the navy - 14,7%, in mechanized and armored units - 19%, in artillery - 14%, in engineer units - 5%, in communications forces - 3%, in the infantry - 27,1%. More than 32 thousand were officers, 276 were generals and admirals.
        - In the battles killed up to 200 thousand soldiers and partisans.
        - About 200 thousand Jews were awarded orders and medals of the USSR, and 117 (according to some information 140) won the highest awards - the titles of Heroes of the Soviet Union.
        1. Timeout
          Timeout 23 November 2013 02: 47 New
          +2
          Again the data from Wikipedia and Sverdlov, cut short! Is there no reliable information?

          Здесь побольше размер http://i60.fastpic.ru/big/2013/1123/be/932fab83c44a95403d5c4719333bdfbe.jpg
          Even if you follow from this
          Quote: Turkestan
          in the infantry - 27,1%

          More than a quarter of the national composition of the army is Jewish. Here is a hit. laughing
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 23 November 2013 03: 03 New
            0
            Quote: Timeout
            Again the data from Wikipedia and Sverdlov, cut short! Is there no reliable information?

            Even if you follow from this
            Quote: Turkestan
            in the infantry - 27,1%

            More than a quarter of the national composition of the army is Jewish. Here is a hit. laughing

            Do you have a poor understanding of what is written? We are talking about how% of Jewish soldiers in the USSR Armed Forces was distributed, and not what% they were in the Armed Forces.
            1. Timeout
              Timeout 23 November 2013 03: 22 New
              +1
              What the fuck is the USSR Armed Forces, if the year and the percentage of the number are clearly shown.
              Quote: Turkestan
              During the war, 500 thousand Jews served in the Red Army.

              Especially for Jewish returnees, before the Jews!
              Look at the link, faith does not allow?
              1. Timeout
                Timeout 23 November 2013 03: 34 New
                +3
                Zavavy, if you put a minus, then put on the case.
                1. Timeout
                  Timeout 23 November 2013 04: 52 New
                  +3
                  Zionists in action ... As they still do not like the truth, especially expressed in official documents. Well, of course, it is necessary to work out before the historical homeland.
            2. Turkestan
              Turkestan 23 November 2013 18: 13 New
              +1
              He understood everything. IT'S FUNNY! Of the 500000 Jewish soldiers, 200000 were laid down for the Soviet Motherland, but it’s funny to him.
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  10. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson 22 November 2013 16: 23 New
    +1
    I have another question: when already? Why pull a beggar for a secret place? Nobody can get away, it’s already clear to everyone why pull all this mess ...

    I believe that the moment is right for everyone - before Obama leaves, it will at least give the whole world a figure of "the culprit in everything." A person who has received the Nobel Peace Prize is simply obliged to die under the roar of a cononade for world peace. soldier And we will help with this.
  11. marder4
    marder4 22 November 2013 16: 24 New
    0
    let them hammer this Israel - what matters to us?
    1. Hug
      Hug 23 November 2013 04: 30 New
      +2
      And if the opposite?
      1. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson 25 November 2013 21: 01 New
        +1
        Yes, let him hammer, what matters to us?)
        wink
  12. Troy
    Troy 22 November 2013 16: 27 New
    +4
    The Saudis in alliance with the Jews, indeed the world has gone mad. The Saudis will get a bunch of Wahhabi fanatics to their enemies.
    1. alone
      alone 22 November 2013 23: 26 New
      +3
      ))) You don’t know Wahhabis. For them, Shiite Iran is much more hostile to Israel. If Israel strikes Iran, believe the Wahhabis will be the first to rejoice)) and then the citizens of Israel
  13. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 22 November 2013 16: 31 New
    +3
    In the Pentagon, in addition to hawks, there are sober-minded people. Having unleashed several conflicts, panting under financial yoke the Yankees fear that the war with Iran will ultimately break the shaky US economic stability. Iran is not Libya and far from Syria. If Israel decides to go to war, it will be a redivision of the Middle East. There is no way to do without America. This is what the Yankees are afraid of.
  14. Pimply
    Pimply 22 November 2013 16: 35 New
    +3
    Great. Conspirology on the march. The Rothschilds, controlled, Israeli Zionism (as if some other is possible). Shine.
    1. Eugeniy_369
      Eugeniy_369 22 November 2013 19: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: Pimply
      Great. Conspirology on the march. The Rothschilds, controlled, Israeli Zionism (as if some other is possible). Shine.

      What do you want fellow ? This is always a fertile topic to blame everything on the "world behind the scenes" in the person of Jewish moneybags. I'm not special, but I think maybe even here there is something ... what
    2. Vasek
      Vasek 22 November 2013 22: 34 New
      +4
      By the way, "Zionism" and "Jews" are not exactly the same thing.
      A thinking person will separate these two concepts.
      In the end: Malinovsky, Chernyakhovsky and Yakir were Jews, and Vlasov, Serdyukov and Krotov (collective image) were Russian.
      So, in vain you are offended, the kindly Popyrchaty, MUDAK is international.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 22 November 2013 23: 06 New
        +1
        Should I be offended by conspiracy theories? I do not argue about the internationality of the word you specified. Simply the word should be used to the point, in the case, and not based on their own xenophobia and fears. Damn, the man who writes the book "Israeli Zionism" and considers the Rothschilds of today to be the puppeteers of the world behind the scenes, is seriously ill.
        1. Hug
          Hug 23 November 2013 04: 35 New
          +1
          Eugene, he is hopelessly sick!
  15. VADEL
    VADEL 22 November 2013 16: 40 New
    18
    Israel will never calm down fool
  16. Nayhas
    Nayhas 22 November 2013 16: 49 New
    +7
    Incredible stupidity ... There will be no war, the ayatollah understands perfectly well that he does not have any means to get Israel, and the people of Iran can find another ayatollah ...
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 22 November 2013 22: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: Nayhas
      and the people of Iran can find another ayatollah ...

      Or even a shah. They lived until 1979 under the Shah without ayatollahs, and it is rumored to be better than ayatollahs.
      1. alone
        alone 22 November 2013 23: 29 New
        +5
        not by rumors. I didn’t communicate with Iranian citizens so much, and we have a lot of them in Azerbaijan, they always remembered that they were a hundred times better at the check than now.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 23 November 2013 00: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: lonely
          not by rumors. I didn’t communicate with Iranian citizens so much, and we have a lot of them in Azerbaijan, they always remembered that they were a hundred times better at the check than now.

          Well, even more so. Perhaps then Israel does not even need to bomb the infrastructure. To bring out the ayatollahs themselves (it should be known where the Ham Meney is hiding), the headquarters of the secret police and the pool, and the Persians themselves will complete it. To them, this mullocracy should already be sitting in the liver.
  17. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 22 November 2013 16: 59 New
    +1
    Who would doubt that the struggle for energy would be fierce and unlikely to be compromised. The question is, how much and how soon should we expect a new Entente?
  18. Bradley
    Bradley 22 November 2013 17: 05 New
    +2
    I would bet on Israel. It is generally difficult to compare Israel and Iran militarily, since Israel is technically one notch higher than Iran. And in the event of an Iranian attack on Israel, there will be problems with logistics from Iran.
    Generally funny article, no more.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 23 November 2013 13: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Bradley
      I would bet on Israel.

      I would put on common sense.
      Let's look at this problem from the side.
      At the head of all are oil and the United States, -This is undeniable, I hope.
      It is also indisputable that almost all the oil-producing countries of the Middle East will be drawn into the conflict between Israel and Iran, and it follows that Middle East oil will be supplied with kirdyk for at least 5-10 years. The USA, Europe and partially China are tied to this oil.
      Apart from Russia, this is not beneficial to anyone, and our benefit is doubtful.
      Conclusion: -Everyone needs oil, and who needs Israel and Saudi Arabia, as a state? = Then think for yourself hi
      An alternative to Arab oil can only be Russian oil, will the United States agree to "friendship" with its competitor, will China "look at all this calmly from its shore"?
  19. kafa
    kafa 22 November 2013 17: 17 New
    +3
    what to put there ?! you put in the Baltic republics they will cope with stress or not when they find out that their sovereign powerful armed forces will be considered by any Russian riot police as a shooting range and training. and the sons of David from the birth of their country (well, before) fight ... yes now too
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  21. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 22 November 2013 17: 20 New
    +2
    Is it not for the Americans to develop the topic of shale oil and gas in order to fend off a possible rise in prices in the event of an attack on Iran. This is the only, in my opinion, that can justify environmental damage and higher in real life, and not the postulated cost of their production now.
    Like - then, as everything calms down again, we will cover the shale revolution.
    1. kafa
      kafa 22 November 2013 17: 28 New
      +1
      comrades from USA have canned wells with both gas and oil, and allies (many)
      Well, shales. and you remember SOI
  22. leon-iv
    leon-iv 22 November 2013 17: 52 New
    +3
    And what will this raid give? And nifiga will not give the load is basically minimal PTB.
    But for the fact that Saudi Arabian elders can stick their terminals. Here, it’s just not enough for everyone. Oh, these Arabs are with the Jews. Countries do not have a land border and Kaka. Shkami are ready to throw themselves through the fence (Iraq).
  23. individual
    individual 22 November 2013 18: 05 New
    0
    Quote:
    "Therefore, now the leadership of Iran and its armed forces should place maximum emphasis on strengthening their air defense systems, as well as early warning systems for an air attack."

    Tehran has been worried about this for a long time, even our Dima interrupted this negative interrupting the supply of S-300, but Iran is solving this problem on the side.
    In addition to strengthening air defense, a diplomatic resource in Geneva is involved and its fruits inspire hope to stop the alliance of aggressors.
    Concerned about the inactive work of Moscow and China in this confrontation.
    There is an undercover fuss of six negotiators on Iran’s nuclear issue: Russia, China, the USA, Great Britain, France and Germany.
    The West is encouraged by Israel and Saudi Arabia and other overt and covert "friends" of Tehran.
    What will end the solitaire will show the final alignment in time.
  24. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 November 2013 18: 06 New
    +6
    Israel’s role in this conflict will likely come down to starting a conflict. And then everything will detonate itself: Saudi Arabia, the Kurds, the 5th US fleet ...
    There is nothing surprising and new .. Israel is looking for a reason to unleash a large-scale war in the Middle East .. (somehow it didn’t work with Syria and it’s not for nothing that Obama was angry with Israel for him ..) Israel is stuffed with weapons (and nuclear warheads and delivery vehicles) ..and there is still clearly something ..)) the main population is morally and financially ready for a big war .. Material values ​​have long been taken to reliable countries for a long time obviously ..) You know the most offensive that the centers (shrines) of the main religions of the world will be destroyed .. (the Jewish population is evacuated mainly and will scatter again around the world .. we have nothing to do with it and again 6 million of us died ..))))
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 22 November 2013 23: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      There is nothing surprising and new .. Israel is looking for a reason to unleash a large-scale war in the Middle East .. (somehow it didn’t work with Syria and it’s not for nothing that Obama was angry with Israel for him ..) Israel is stuffed with weapons (and nuclear warheads and delivery vehicles) ..and there is still clearly something ..)) the main population is morally and financially ready for a big war .. Material values ​​have long been taken to reliable countries for a long time obviously ..) You know the most offensive that the centers (shrines) of the main religions of the world will be destroyed .. (the Jewish population is evacuated mainly and will scatter again around the world .. we have nothing to do with it and again 6 million of us died ..))))


      Israel, damn it, is just looking for this. Apparently that's why he is actively trying to fight with Egypt and Jordan.
  25. HAIFISCH
    HAIFISCH 22 November 2013 18: 26 New
    0
    counter post
  26. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 22 November 2013 18: 35 New
    +1
    They say that citizens are slowly moving away from Israel. Somewhere I saw a forecast that in 5 years everyone would leave.
    Understand that sooner or later it will be very bad.
    1. falcon
      falcon 22 November 2013 19: 54 New
      +6
      Quote: armored optimist
      They say that citizens are slowly moving away from Israel. Somewhere I saw a forecast that in 5 years everyone will leave

      Apparently, in the Jewish Autonomous Region. Large area, friendly
      neighbors, what else is needed for complete happiness?
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 22 November 2013 21: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: falcon
        Quote: armored optimist
        They say that citizens are slowly moving away from Israel. Somewhere I saw a forecast that in 5 years everyone will leave

        Apparently, in the Jewish Autonomous Region. Large area, friendly
        neighbors, what else is needed for complete happiness?
        - I can't understand in any way - Stalin gave them so much gorgeous land, red fish, furs, diamonds, at least hunt, at least stock fish, stretched out the railway and the Vladivostok-Birobidzhan highway and trade yourself with all of Southeast Asia. No, they got into the gadyushnik and now hatred of the Arabs is sprinkling from the screens of their computers. Who else is to blame for them? After all, the Arabs do not have them, but they have shallowed the lands of the Arabs.
        Here’s what - tie up, men, to distribute Russian compatriots. Tea, not by you, but by your ancestors was conquered, so the train for the Jews left. When they offered, they turned away with contempt, so that the taperich of neither Crimea nor Birobidzhan, let him shake around the world again - it’s so familiar to them.
        1. falcon
          falcon 22 November 2013 23: 19 New
          0
          Quote: aksakal
          Stalin gave them so much gorgeous land, red fish, furs, diamonds, at least hunt, at least stock fish, extended the Vladivostok-Birobidzhan railway and highway and trade with all of Southeast Asia. No, they got into the viper

          We didn’t navigate on time :)) And it would be interesting to watch, across the river -
          Chinese (obviously living in primordially Jewish lands), quarrel in their
          pleasure (un far away, will not interfere). Not life, but a continuous fairy tale!
          But, you are right, the train has already left.
        2. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 23 November 2013 00: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: aksakal
          When they offered, they turned away with contempt, so that the taperich of neither Crimea nor Birobidzhan, let him shake around the world again - it’s so familiar to them.

          And glory to Gd. Our place here is on the land of our ancestors. Well, about the world they are shaking, so it was not cultural traditions that made us wander, but such anti-Semites as you. Well, today it will be harder for you to do this. If in 1948 they broke off, now with a full-fledged army, a good economy and serious allies we will repulse. As if the initiators of our resettlement did not have to pay the territories, like the Germans at 45.
          1. faraon
            faraon 25 November 2013 06: 06 New
            +1
            Or like three states armed with the most modern Soviet weapons trying to throw Israel into the sea.
      2. Vasek
        Vasek 22 November 2013 22: 06 New
        +3
        November 1929, XNUMX
        Birobidzhan.
        Telegram from Moscow: "Collectivization all over the country! Create collective farms!"
        A week later - a reply telegram: "Collective farms have been created. Send collective farmers."
        laughing
      3. VADEL
        VADEL 23 November 2013 04: 48 New
        0
        Now it’s clear why they need tankers to protect Birobidzhan.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 22 November 2013 23: 08 New
      +4
      Look again.
    3. Michael_59
      Michael_59 23 November 2013 07: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: armored optimist
      They say that citizens are slowly moving away from Israel


      Can I get statistics?
      So far, I can only see, unfortunately, that within the framework of numerous "brain drain" programs, Israel is being acquired by specialists from Russia, registering them for permanent residence at home.
  27. olviko
    olviko 22 November 2013 18: 49 New
    -2
    "Conflict will lead to the disaster of the Jewish state"

    There is also another option. The main calculation is to provoke the Iranians to retaliate and draw the United States into the conflict, which will be forced to fulfill its allied obligations to provide military assistance. Such a scenario of the development of the situation, of course, is fraught with serious risks for Israel, both in the military sphere and in the diplomatic sphere: the escalation of tension will undermine the negotiating efforts of the Six and the IAEA and will "twist the hands" of the Americans. At the same time, the strategic benefits for Israel, from its point of view, are obvious: on the one hand, the American bombing of INP facilities will stop the development of Tehran's nuclear developments, on the other hand, it will create uncontrollable chaos in the region, due to which Tel Aviv will only preserve and increase their leading positions.
  28. torhammer
    torhammer 22 November 2013 18: 55 New
    +1
    I agree with the opinion that they will play the role of "helots" in the Spartan army, i.e. will provoke a blow. The point is rather not in the chosen Satanists, orthodox Iranians, but in the Saudis, who borrowed a colossal amount of money to the United States. Even in the norms of civil law there is a basis for nullifying the debtor's debt to the creditor - this is the death of the creditor, and so, with a beam of blow through the Saudis, Iran will roll the Saudis into dust. If anyone noticed, then the policy of recent times is generally beyond the scope of generally accepted logic, similarly here, the point is not in Iran's program, for bypassing international norms on weapons of mass destruction, Gomzhid and Paki acquired these weapons, which, unlike India, are generally neither technological, let alone they did not have financial resources for such a program, because of the high cost, the FRG refused, and compared to the Germans, the Paki and the Jews are generally ragged, so most likely they received weapons straight from the hands of the United States, which, by the way, are also controlled not by the president, but by financial groups, so it makes sense we must look not in the interests of the state, but in the interests of financial structures! Apropo! financial groups of the British are moving en masse to Australia, and in the United States a project has begun to create a single state based on the three states of North America, and at this time the only once developing region other than Indo-China will be completely plunged into chaos! By the way, nuclear weapons can be used against Iran, and no one will even know, at most there will be rumors and additional work for Hollywood, which will shoot news about Iran from Qatar or somewhere else ...
    1. olviko
      olviko 22 November 2013 19: 20 New
      +2
      "Even in the norms of civil law there is a basis for nullifying the debtor's debt obligations to the creditor - this is the death of the creditor,"

      I agree with you, this way of solving debt problems has become fashionable in the West. An example is Sarkozy, who, in response to financial assistance for an election campaign, paid Gaddafi with bombs and missiles, simply destroying his creditor.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 22 November 2013 22: 19 New
      +5
      Quote: torhammer
      burry homoperid


      Quote: torhammer
      Homoids


      Quote: torhammer
      the Jews


      But do not you think that your expressions do not comply with the rules of the site set forth here:
      http://topwar.ru/2013/08/30/novye-dopolneniya-v-pravila-sayta.html
  29. regdan
    regdan 22 November 2013 19: 04 New
    -4
    The illegally formed state of Israel will soon be dismantled. And the stupid Benya Cheburek is to blame for everything.
  30. Vadim12
    Vadim12 22 November 2013 19: 06 New
    +1
    Israel jumps, roll it. Around him, many states crave Jewish blood ..
    1. kafa
      kafa 22 November 2013 19: 38 New
      0
      one not a good person wanted to solve the Jewish question of saying where is he ?! and the neighbors also decide to tell this question with what success? !!!!
      1. Muadipus
        Muadipus 22 November 2013 20: 32 New
        +1
        if this not a good person would not go to the USSR. The issue would be resolved.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 22 November 2013 23: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: Muadipus
          if this not a good person would not go to the USSR. The issue would be resolved.


          History does not know the subjunctive mood this time. The second Slavs for him were the same outcasts, these are two, so do not flatter yourself, unless of course you consider yourself a true Aryan
          1. Muadipus
            Muadipus 23 November 2013 03: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Vadivak
            History does not know the subjunctive mood this time
            well, I rephrase: The Red Army did not allow to resolve the issue completely.
            Quote: Vadivak
            The second Slavs for him were the same outcasts are two
            And here are the Slavs when it comes to Jews and not allowing them to destroy the Soviet People?
            Quote: Vadivak
            so do not flatter yourself, unless of course you consider yourself a true Aryan
            I am not Aryan, and not anti-Semite, and I don’t understand why I should deceive myself?

            But since they already touched on the topic, I can assume why Jews in the world do not like, but what surprises me, Jews themselves do not like themselves. I mean the Israelites and the Orthodox. You cannot agree with yourself, but you will teach the world ...
            1. Hug
              Hug 23 November 2013 04: 47 New
              +1
              Any philosophy agrees
              that in the world there is no salvation from the Jews.
              It’s still not clear to science
              how do they do earthquakes.

              Igor Guberman
            2. Vadivak
              Vadivak 23 November 2013 12: 24 New
              +3
              Quote: Muadipus
              You cannot agree with yourself, but you will teach the world ...


              Imagine I'm not a Jew. According to the father, the ancestors were once Cossacks. Just raised in a normal family. And I see that the Jews do not live according to the principle of Ur, the cow died from a neighbor!
            3. faraon
              faraon 25 November 2013 06: 14 New
              0
              And you are residents of the Russian Federation, how you love each other, but what about the slogan Russia -Russian After all, Russia has for centuries been a multinational state.
              We’ll sort it out in our anthill, and you’ll sort it out in your own way. And judging by the next branch, two fraternal peoples with a common history, culture, language of each other are throwing mud on each other.
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 25 November 2013 06: 25 New
                0
                two fraternal peoples with a common history, culture, language of each other are watering such mud.

                It’s not true - I always put TOP of my manhood on the ruling elite of UKRAINE for its disregard for the people of UKRAINE.
                Ordinary citizens of UKRAINE are not guilty that the leaders of UKRAINE promise to hold elections
                friendship with RUSSIA and in fact lead to the disunity of our peoples, that’s what you need to pay attention to.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 22 November 2013 23: 09 New
      +6
      Many states longed for Jewish blood both before the creation of Israel and immediately after. Does this somehow affect the situation?
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 23 November 2013 00: 07 New
        +8
        Quote: Pimply
        Many states longed for Jewish blood both before the creation of Israel and immediately after. Does this somehow affect the situation?


        For some reason, fighters with Jews forget or do not know the Jews who worked for the good of my homeland
        In 1942, the People's Commissar of Ammunition, Boris Lvovich Vannikov, became the Hero of Socialist Labor. In the list of awards, Stalin himself entered it under number 27.
        TsAGI employees who created Katyusha are Schwartz, Guay, Gantmakher, Levin and Shor. All of them received Stalin Prizes in 1941 and 1943.
        Twice Hero of Socialist Labor, five-time Stalin Prize laureate designer Nudelman - the creator of the famous N-37 aircraft gun. She armed the aircraft Lavochkin and Yakovlev, two N-37s were installed on the attack aircraft IL-2. from a letter from the commander of the 133rd regiment: "... comrade Nudelman, the personnel of our unit thanks you. For a month and a half, our pilots shot down 70 German planes. This is the great merit of your guns, which tear apart fascist planes. "
        Among the creators of the best tanks of World War II, the name of the chief designer of the Chelyabinsk "tank city" Joseph Yakovlevich Kotin, deputy. Commissar of Defense, Colonel General. During the war, under his leadership, all modifications of heavy IS and KV heavy tanks were developed.
        One of the founders of the MiGs Mikhail Iosifovich Gurevich, an outstanding aircraft designer, Hero of social labor, laureate of the Lenin and Stalin Prizes. Constructor of the fastest fighters of World War II La-5, La-7 and La-9 Semen Moiseevich Lavochkin.
        Lavochkin's first deputy was Mikhail Leontyevich Mil, a Jew who later became the general designer of many Soviet helicopters.

        As Mikhail Mikhailovich says: More thoroughly ...
    3. VADEL
      VADEL 23 November 2013 04: 52 New
      0
      It’s better to drown in the Amur waters than in your own blood.
  31. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 22 November 2013 19: 38 New
    +2
    The attack on Iran will be from the sea, from submarines.
    And if the Russian Federation fits into this project (the destruction of the WMD of Syria, followed by an attack on Iran), then Iran should help acquire an effective missile defense system.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 22 November 2013 23: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      The attack on Iran will be from the sea, from submarines.


      Then it’s better to have sailors on zebras so that means in the psyche
    2. olviko
      olviko 23 November 2013 06: 43 New
      0
      "if the Russian Federation fits into this project (the destruction of weapons of mass destruction in Syria, followed by an attack on Iran"

      Apparently the destruction of the WMD of Syria is one of the preconditions for lifting sanctions from Iran, so Iran gladly agreed with this. In addition, at the end of this process and putting Iran’s nuclear program under international control, the issue of the destruction of all weapons of mass destruction in the Middle East can be raised to the full extent. Israel, the sole owner of WMD, has no reason to keep it.
  32. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 22 November 2013 20: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    I've often thought about it. why 400 million Arabs around for so many years could not do anything with Israel, read your comment and .... understood

    That is why you act as "mongrels" of the United States. In the event of a nuclear strike, one salvo is enough for you, and there is no such country like Israel. In general, you yourself provoke conflict, hoping for help from the states. But if it starts you get it. And by and large it will be a pity for the people (including yours) just because of the financial showdown. And it has already been said that if a war breaks out in the east, this will lead to an unpredictable situation, there will be many casualties and everyone will lose. It may be a little emotional and simplistic, but it is. hi
  33. falcon
    falcon 22 November 2013 20: 26 New
    11
    I read the article. I understood everything except the logic of the Author. If the "clan of Zionist Jews (?) Rothschilds"
    is the "authors and ideologists" of the project of the Jewish state of Israel, is governed by it (this
    clan), then why then should these "managers" involve the state created by them into
    The conflict that (in the opinion of the author) will lead to the disaster of the Jewish state?
    Dear Author! Even conspiracy theories require at least a tiny fraction of the logical
    thinking!
    1. Ivan Tarasov
      Ivan Tarasov 22 November 2013 21: 20 New
      0
      They will sacrifice for the sake of achieving the intended goal.
      Israel is just a bargaining chip in this game.
  34. voliador
    voliador 22 November 2013 21: 10 New
    +2
    Well, just like in a song: Jews, Jews, Jews are all around.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 22 November 2013 23: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: voliador
      Well, just like in a song: Jews, Jews, Jews are all around.

      Music and words of Odessa Jew Kostya Belyaev.
  35. Selevc
    Selevc 22 November 2013 21: 11 New
    +2
    So much is said in the article and in the comments, but almost nothing is said in essence - how exactly can Israel and Saudi Arabia fight against Iran? You can’t defeat Iran clearly by bombing and the nuclear weapons problem cannot be solved ... The ground operation remains - but how to do it? If neither Israel nor the Saudis have a common border with Iran ... There are two options for conducting ground operations - bad and very bad ...
    Bad - this is to use the territory of Kuwait or Iraq as a springboard for invasion - but this will clearly draw these countries into the war - and the main hostilities can be fought in their territory - therefore, despite loyalty to the West, neither Iraq nor Kuwait will be burning with desire to become cannon fodder and battlefield in another major war for the interests of others !!!
    Very bad the option is landing from the sea - it’s a very risky business, especially knowing that in Iran there are corps of Revolutionary Guards - guys who are very serious !!! Moreover, given the specific geography and political situation, you can simply forget about the factor of surprise ...
    Therefore, I think that all the talk about a possible bombardment of Iran and a possible alliance with the Saudis is nothing more than just a rattling of weapons or language :)))
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 22 November 2013 22: 13 New
      0
      More language. By the way, the Americans remember very well the landing in the Bay of Pigs, therefore, let the Jews be smart and learn from the mistakes of their allies, and not from their own. Although let them do what they want - they, the Jews, have such a situation. As in one small fantasy story - two neighbors had a major quarrel, one (the witch) began to conjure and call trouble on the neighbor. But bad luck - no matter what she clicks - the death of this neighbor's husband, son, daughter, the neighbor's only life was for the better, even despite the bereavement. As a result, the witch realized that someone had punished that poor neighbor very subtly and cruelly. She even regretted: "Who are you so, poor? For what?" BUT NOTHING TO CHANGE. laughing laughing
      Let’s also pity the Izrilts, and nothing needs to be changed.
  36. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 22 November 2013 21: 30 New
    +1
    Now I will erase the news, I am very happy for Putin's foreign policy. But why internal ...? And I looked at the uka's parliament so funny at all - the opposition is clearly ordered (it seems that there are only "blue"
    And I was very glad that after all, not everything is so bad with the brains in Ukraine (in power). Hello Ukraine, we are waiting for you with fat, but we will find moonshine ourselves fellow Maybe not quite in the subject n, but such a mood wassat I'm about the same as on the last smiley wassat
    1. Hug
      Hug 23 November 2013 04: 56 New
      +1
      And you, my friend, still Troll!
  37. Stinger
    Stinger 22 November 2013 22: 33 New
    0
    The more they fight around Israel, the easier it is for him to arrange his affairs. Therefore, throwing firewood into the firebox is easier, cheaper, and more reliable than fighting yourself. Everything else is a smoke screen, especially for "political scientists". so that they do not remain without work.
  38. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 22 November 2013 23: 13 New
    0
    It seems that Iran has one option - to produce and test the bomb. Then Israel and the US do not poke around. There, North Korea blew up something, nobody really runs into it.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 22 November 2013 23: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      There, North Korea blew up something, nobody really runs into it.

      The UN Security Council unanimously approved new sanctions against North Korea, which conducted a nuclear test in February.
  39. propolsky
    propolsky 22 November 2013 23: 36 New
    0
    Anyone who snoops into Iran simply cannot get off with a black eye, this must be understood, a big country, good resources, a society with a common point of view (although it may not, do they really think and say in Tihar) ... Well, anyway, a plus in defense more than minuses. And Russia is not very far away, as for Syria. Maybe we'll see, although I would not want to, let them live peacefully!
  40. torhammer
    torhammer 22 November 2013 23: 50 New
    -2
    Quote: Nagan
    Do not you think
    - no, I don’t think, because I express my opinion correspond to the truth:
    1. burry homoperd - burr? there is such a thing! haters? and what not? Mine Kampf, Zionism - all their invention ....
    2. Homoids - as you know, human low-lying manifestations began to grow them too, there are quite a few versions that Sadom and Gomor have been the predominant habitat of this ancestors over the race ...
    3. Jews - there are Europeans, live in Europe, respectively, Europeans - by analogy for those who understand wink
  41. their
    their 22 November 2013 23: 58 New
    -2
    Quote: Pimply
    Should I be offended by conspiracy theories? I do not argue about the internationality of the word you specified. Simply the word should be used to the point, in the case, and not based on their own xenophobia and fears. Damn, the man who writes the book "Israeli Zionism" and considers the Rothschilds of today to be the puppeteers of the world behind the scenes, is seriously ill.



    The Rothschilds are masters in Israel and financed the creation of the country by buying land. The family itself is known all over the world and ALWAYS personified in the entire history of this family only total evil and discontent of people about their actions, read the materials and understand who still belongs to Israel together with the government. Even the construction of the Knesset was funded by Rothschild. What is conspiracy thesis here ?? Look where you live, an entirely occult religious-militaristic education (it is hard to call such a state) with fascist manners and racial segregation. And this is done for the people of Israel by them, probably for the suffering of the Jews? And you should be ashamed of Russian Jews in general, because the Rothschilds and Zionists had common plans with the Nazis to drive you into Palestine by Hitler.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 23 November 2013 00: 34 New
      +6
      Quote: sus
      The Rothschilds are masters in Israel and financed the creation of the country by buying land.


      And did Joseph Vissarinovich have a notary public?

      Stalin’s position was all the more important because he had at the UN not one, but five votes. Stalin had at the UN not one vote, but three - the Soviet Union, Ukraine and Belarus. In addition, Czechoslovakia and Poland voted as ordered by Moscow. Five Stalinist voices were crucial. If Stalin had voted against, Israel would not have appeared. Thirty-three countries voted in favor, thirteen voted against. Several countries, including England, abstained.
      On the fourth of December, the forty-seventh year, Gromyko received a letter of thanks:
      “Your Excellency, the Jewish Agency for Palestine wishes to express its deep gratitude to the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics for supporting the resolution adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations in support of the formation of a Jewish state. The adoption of this recommendation marked a turning point in the history of the Jewish people. After two millennia of lack of a national homeland, Jews are now given the opportunity to join the family of nations and make a significant contribution to international life ... The Jewish people will always be grateful to your government, which at this session of the General Assembly helped it achieve national liberation. We would greatly appreciate it if you would convey the contents of this letter to your government. I have the honor, sir, to be sincerely yours, Abba Hillel Silver, chairman of the American section of the Jewish Agency for Palestine. ”
      1. olviko
        olviko 23 November 2013 07: 22 New
        0
        And did Joseph Vissarinovich have a notary public?
        It should be admitted that with the creation of Israel, Stalin, as they say now, flew by. For the creation of Israel, in the UN, both the USSR and the West voted, and each had their own, so to speak, views of Israel. The Middle East, as you know, is a gas station of the West, a zone of vital interests. Well, of course, Joseph Visarionovich wanted to have a reliable watchman near this gas station. Israel was created for this purpose, and not at all because ordinary Jews wanted it. As they say, wanting is not harmful. A lot of money has been invested in the creation of this state, the United States is still paying off several billion dollars of aid. I think no one will suspect Americans of charity. The Arabs as allies in this matter are very unreliable, there is always the option that someone will outbid this ally. The stake was made on Jews, there were many of them living in the USSR, Jews were quite widely represented in the government and the Politburo, so hopes were not without solid .But Israel made its choice, tied its fate with the West, became the "unsinkable aircraft carrier" of the United States, which it still is. Well, this is their choice and their problems.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 23 November 2013 12: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: olviko
          Admittedly, with the creation of Israel, Stalin, as they say, flew by


          Repeat

          Five Stalinist voices were crucial. If Stalin voted against, Israel would not have appeared
          1. olviko
            olviko 23 November 2013 13: 22 New
            0
            "Both the USSR and the West voted for the creation of Israel in the UN"

            And for whom do you repeat this?
  42. their
    their 23 November 2013 00: 20 New
    -3
    Quote: armored optimist
    They say that citizens are slowly moving away from Israel. Somewhere I saw a forecast that in 5 years everyone would leave.
    Understand that sooner or later it will be very bad.


    They leave, my acquaintance from Israel left for Russia to live, so many of his classmates say who left where. Young and promising leave, the old people remain to live. Such a natural selection, they love it. Before the creation of Israel, the Gestapo did not spare the old European Jews who could not benefit Zionism in Palestine. Then Weizmann, the future president of Israel openly declared that Zionism did not need such a ballast in the form of old and weak Jews.
    Leaving apparently for a new purpose, to form Israel elsewhere better.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 23 November 2013 00: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: sus
      Quote: armored optimist
      They say that citizens are slowly moving away from Israel. Somewhere I saw a forecast that in 5 years everyone would leave.
      Understand that sooner or later it will be very bad.

      They leave, my acquaintance from Israel left for Russia to live, so many of his classmates say who left where. Young and promising leave, the old people remain to live. Such a natural selection, they love it. Before the creation of Israel, the Gestapo did not spare the old European Jews who could not benefit Zionism in Palestine. Then Weizmann, the future president of Israel openly declared that Zionism did not need such a ballast in the form of old and weak Jews.
      Leaving apparently for a new purpose, to form Israel elsewhere better.

      Tell sus, but are you tired of writing nonsense? There is Google, well, look for numbers, facts, and so on. Not tired of exposing yourself to adults as a near-minded youth?
  43. their
    their 23 November 2013 00: 44 New
    -4
    Quote: Vadivak
    Quote: sus
    The Rothschilds are masters in Israel and financed the creation of the country by buying land.


    And did Joseph Vissarinovich have a notary public?

    Stalin’s position was all the more important because he had at the UN not one, but five votes. Stalin had at the UN not one vote, but three - the Soviet Union, Ukraine and Belarus. In addition, Czechoslovakia and Poland voted as ordered by Moscow. Five Stalinist voices were crucial. If Stalin had voted against, Israel would not have appeared. Thirty-three countries voted in favor, thirteen voted against. Several countries, including England, abstained.
    On the fourth of December, the forty-seventh year, Gromyko received a letter of thanks:
    “Your Excellency, the Jewish Agency for Palestine wishes to express its deep gratitude to the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics for supporting the resolution adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations in support of the formation of a Jewish state. The adoption of this recommendation marked a turning point in the history of the Jewish people. After two millennia of lack of a national homeland, Jews are now given the opportunity to join the family of nations and make a significant contribution to international life ... The Jewish people will always be grateful to your government, which at this session of the General Assembly helped it achieve national liberation. We would greatly appreciate it if you would convey the contents of this letter to your government. I have the honor, sir, to be sincerely yours, Abba Hillel Silver, chairman of the American section of the Jewish Agency for Palestine. ”


    Settlement activity in Palestine began at the end of the 19th century after the Jewish pogroms in Europe initiated by the Zionists. As a result, 2 million Jews fled to America, and 50 to Palestine. The sponsor of all this was Rothschild, with the money of which several settlements were formed (now these are the largest cities in Israel). In fact, there in total legally bought up about 000% of the land. The rest of the Zionists squeezed the Arabs from terrorism.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 23 November 2013 00: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: sus
      Settlement activity in Palestine began at the end of the 19th century after the Jewish pogroms in Europe initiated by the Zionists. As a result, 2 million Jews fled to America, and 50 to Palestine. The sponsor of all this was Rothschild, with the money of which several settlements were formed (now these are the largest cities in Israel). In fact, there in total legally bought up about 000% of the land. The rest of the Zionists squeezed the Arabs from terrorism.

      First, the Jewish presence in Eretz Yisrael never ceased. Secondly, how much land did the Arabs belong to? Given that up to 90% of the territory of Eretz Yisrael was an uninhabited desert that first belonged to the Turkish Sultan, then to the British Mandate and automatically passed into the possession of the state of Israel.
      1. torhammer
        torhammer 23 November 2013 03: 30 New
        0
        - I couldn’t hear more stupidity ... how is it that nobody owned the land like that? do you think that the land of north, central and latin america also belonged to no one? by what criteria do you judge the ownership of land by anyone? at the moment this is a UN resolution, and in those days, who populated the region, that is the land, and the mandate of the Britons, like the Turks, is dude occupation! and now, you walk on occupied land, it belongs to the Arabs forever, your smells have recently appeared there. am
  44. their
    their 23 November 2013 00: 53 New
    -1
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: sus
    Quote: armored optimist
    They say that citizens are slowly moving away from Israel. Somewhere I saw a forecast that in 5 years everyone would leave.
    Understand that sooner or later it will be very bad.

    They leave, my acquaintance from Israel left for Russia to live, so many of his classmates say who left where. Young and promising leave, the old people remain to live. Such a natural selection, they love it. Before the creation of Israel, the Gestapo did not spare the old European Jews who could not benefit Zionism in Palestine. Then Weizmann, the future president of Israel openly declared that Zionism did not need such a ballast in the form of old and weak Jews.
    Leaving apparently for a new purpose, to form Israel elsewhere better.

    Tell sus, but are you tired of writing nonsense? There is Google, well, look for numbers, facts, and so on. Not tired of exposing yourself to adults as a near-minded youth?


    I use Google, for example, http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/685679/

    It’s not necessary for me to apply your insults to an endless arrogant tone in my personal address, your fanaticism is felt and it is obvious that you have been seriously treated ideologically.

    My condolences to you.
  45. high
    high 23 November 2013 00: 55 New
    +3
    Quote: Old Skeptic
    Quote: atalef
    I've often thought about it. why 400 million Arabs around for so many years could not do anything with Israel, read your comment and .... understood


    About what kind of Jews are cool warriors, is that you tell Germany.
    Great warriors damn ....

    Before n .... you would have learned the history of the Second World War.
    Jews, according to the statistics of the Ministry of Defense:
    - in the USSR they gave 0.5 million soldiers out of 3 million inhabitants, of which 240 thousand died .....
    - during the Second World War, 240 awarded the rank of General .....
    - Per 100 population for the entire period of the war, the number of people awarded with orders and medals was distributed:
    Russian - 6149,
    Jews - 5324,
    Ukrainians - 4804,
    Tatars - 4054,

    - The title of Hero of the Soviet Union during the Great Patriotic War was awarded to one hundred thousand people:
    Russians - 7,66
    Jews - 6,83
    Ukrainians - 5,88
    Belarusians - 4,19
    1. torhammer
      torhammer 23 November 2013 03: 40 New
      0
      these names your baryzny ancestors received under Khrushchev and the Brezhnev mess, roughly the end of the 70s, when there was already such a discord, there is nowhere else ... the number of heroes of the Jewish war, the same nonsense as among the Three epic heroes, also ranked one Jews, though this saying also refers to the end of the 70s .. you don’t touch the sacred at all. And the statistics of MO can be sent to toilet paper, because from the beginning of the 80s, and especially in the 90s, a wave went on among Western researchers that it makes no sense to go to the archives of the Russian Federation, because there are simply fake fakes! By the way, in Moldova we have repeatedly identified cases of Jews holding WWII certificates and the highest awards, but by age it turns out that the ghoul performed a feat at the age of 5-12 years, not to mention simpler things like veterans of Afghanistan and the liquidators of the Chernobyl accident .By the way, you still say that the executed Yakir, Tushlachevsky, etc. were brilliant warriors, the Jewish commanders in a compartment with Jewish soldiers - this is the weapon of victory, Nazi Germany ....
    2. Timeout
      Timeout 23 November 2013 04: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: alta
      in the USSR gave 0.5 million soldiers out of 3 million inhabitants, of which 240 thousand died

      It is strange, where did the extra 100 thousand come from?
      Here are the general statistics for all nationalities:

      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 23 November 2013 10: 03 New
        +1
        According to the Central Archive of the Russian Ministry of Defense, During the war with Germany, there were about 501 thousand Jews in the troops. According to the same archive, during the war years, 198 thousand Jewish soldiers died in battles, died of wounds and diseases, and went missing. This is 39,6% of their total [8]. According to Dr. Yitzhak Arad, approximately 150 Jews died at the front and about 50 thousand were killed in prisoner of war camps[thirteen]. Of the 13 thousand Jewish soldiers who survived, 300 thousand (180%) were wounded, of which more than 60 thousand (70%) were seriously wounded [38]. As the historian Pavel Polyan writes, 22% of the Jews went to the front as volunteers, 27% of the Jews of the rank and file and junior commanders served in combat units [80].

        Apparently the table does not take into account the dead in captivity.
  46. their
    their 23 November 2013 01: 04 New
    -2
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: sus
    Settlement activity in Palestine began at the end of the 19th century after the Jewish pogroms in Europe initiated by the Zionists. As a result, 2 million Jews fled to America, and 50 to Palestine. The sponsor of all this was Rothschild, with the money of which several settlements were formed (now these are the largest cities in Israel). In fact, there in total legally bought up about 000% of the land. The rest of the Zionists squeezed the Arabs from terrorism.

    First, the Jewish presence in Eretz Yisrael never ceased. Secondly, how much land did the Arabs belong to? Given that up to 90% of the territory of Eretz Yisrael was an uninhabited desert that first belonged to the Turkish Sultan, then to the British Mandate and automatically passed into the possession of the state of Israel.


    Indeed, the Jewish presence there never ceased and amounted to a ridiculous 5% of the total population. But the presence under the banner of Zionism began in 1881.

    The Jewish population - the Sephardic people who lived there lived peacefully with Arabs always for many generations before the advent of Zionism and the creation of Israel.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 23 November 2013 02: 18 New
      0
      Quote: sus

      Indeed, the Jewish presence there never ceased and amounted to a ridiculous 5% of the total population. But the presence under the banner of Zionism began in 1881.
      The Jewish population - the Sephardic people who lived there lived peacefully with Arabs always for many generations before the advent of Zionism and the creation of Israel.

      Well yes. In what century did the Arabs come to Eretz-Israel? Maybe Jews should be cut less, then there would be more. Well, our ancestors competently took advantage of the situation and returned at least part of their land.
      1. Allegedly
        Allegedly 23 November 2013 02: 29 New
        -1
        Mossad with terrorists does not get out of bed. Marriage for centuries, so to speak. And most importantly do not change each other. And what's the point ...?
  47. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 23 November 2013 01: 13 New
    +3
    Until the end of 2035, up to 12,8 million people will live in Israel. Such a forecast was published today, January 14, by the Central Statistical Bureau. We are talking about a population growth of 66% compared to 2010.
    According to the forecasts of the CSB, the Jewish population will be 10.1 million people, while the Arab population is 2,7 million. The number of people over 65 will increase from 9,9% in 2010 to 14,6% in 2035.
    At the end of 2011, 7.836.600 people lived in Israel. 5.907.500 people are Jews (75,4%), 1.610.900 are Arab (20,6%), and 318.200 (4%) are people belonging to the Jewish community, but not recorded as Jews, most of them returnees from the former THE USSR.
    In 2011, 166,3 thousand babies were born, 40,8 thousand people died, and 16.9 thousand people repatriated to Israel. The growth of the Jewish population was 1,8%, and that of the Arab population was 2,4%. At the same time, a decline in the growth of the Muslim population of -2,5% in 2011, and 3,8% in 2010, was noted.
    In Israel, there are 978 men for every thousand women. Among Jews, 978 men per 1000 women, and among Arabs 858 men per 1000 women. 89% of men aged 20-24 are single, while 72% of women of the same age are single. In the group of 35-39 years old, 16% are unmarried and 13% are single.
    The average number of children in a Muslim family is 3,51 (with a constant amplitude of decrease), while in a Jewish family it is 2,98, and among those whose nationality is not defined 1,75.
    cursorinfo, 14.1.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX
    so you are calmer.
  48. their
    their 23 November 2013 01: 26 New
    0
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Until the end of 2035, up to 12,8 million people will live in Israel. Such a forecast was published today, January 14, by the Central Statistical Bureau. We are talking about a population growth of 66% compared to 2010.
    According to the forecasts of the CSB, the Jewish population will be 10.1 million people, while the Arab population is 2,7 million. The number of people over 65 will increase from 9,9% in 2010 to 14,6% in 2035.
    At the end of 2011, 7.836.600 people lived in Israel. 5.907.500 people are Jews (75,4%), 1.610.900 are Arab (20,6%), and 318.200 (4%) are people belonging to the Jewish community, but not recorded as Jews, most of them returnees from the former THE USSR.
    In 2011, 166,3 thousand babies were born, 40,8 thousand people died, and 16.9 thousand people repatriated to Israel. The growth of the Jewish population was 1,8%, and that of the Arab population was 2,4%. At the same time, a decline in the growth of the Muslim population of -2,5% in 2011, and 3,8% in 2010, was noted.
    In Israel, there are 978 men for every thousand women. Among Jews, 978 men per 1000 women, and among Arabs 858 men per 1000 women. 89% of men aged 20-24 are single, while 72% of women of the same age are single. In the group of 35-39 years old, 16% are unmarried and 13% are single.
    The average number of children in a Muslim family is 3,51 (with a constant amplitude of decrease), while in a Jewish family it is 2,98, and among those whose nationality is not defined 1,75.
    cursorinfo, 14.1.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX
    so you are calmer.

    It would be right to place such propaganda for the Israelis so that they would not run away from Israel. I don’t care, breed and fight Arabs. I already know a lot about your Israel, and for some reason I would like to sympathize with you more.
  49. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 23 November 2013 02: 15 New
    0
    I can’t help but prick you sus a bit more. Israel's GDP per capita income for 2012 is $ 32500. In Kazakhstan for 2012, $ 12000. It turns out that for all your open spaces, minerals and peaceful borders, you still have to grow and grow.
    1. builder
      builder 23 November 2013 02: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      minerals and peaceful borders

      Agree open spaces, minerals and peaceful borders are worth a lot. Per capita GDP is a pretty virtual thing.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 23 November 2013 02: 36 New
        +4
        Quote: stroitel

        Agree open spaces, minerals and peaceful borders are worth a lot. Per capita GDP is a pretty virtual thing.

        I agree with the first message. With the second no. Because income from GDP is both the standard of living and education and high-quality medical care and not the desire to go anywhere from relatives and friends. This is not so much virtuality.
        1. their
          their 23 November 2013 07: 35 New
          +1
          Why tease, Kazakhstan supplies you oil and grain in large quantities every 4 liters of gasoline and every 8 loaves of bread from Kazakhstan, I won’t be surprised that most of your citizens know about Kazakhstan only by Borat like the Americans. And of course they talk about the dictatorship of the president who seized power.

          The level of education in Israel of individuals is high, and most do not even know Geography for grade 5.
    2. torhammer
      torhammer 23 November 2013 03: 46 New
      0
      soon your income will drop sharply, because Germany paid off reparations for the First World War, and will soon stop paying the victims of the "genocide" in WWII, otherwise even those who were born in the 60s and further also somehow turned out to be victims of genocide - scammers from the high road!
    3. Hug
      Hug 23 November 2013 05: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      I can’t help but prick you sus a bit more. Israel's GDP per capita income for 2012 is $ 32500. In Kazakhstan for 2012, $ 12000. It turns out that for all your open spaces, minerals and peaceful borders, you still have to grow and grow.


      Still and brains ...
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