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"Ukraine. The end"

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"Ukraine. The end"What we see now is the end of Ukraine as a “not Russia” project. It is obvious to me that Ukraine will soon be torn apart into pieces, the fate of which will depend, inter alia, on our willingness and desire to intervene in this terrible process.


Many of us, those who call themselves Russian patriots, are now looking at Ukraine. We look, we wait.

They say that Russia has betrayed the fraternal Slavic country. They say that it is impossible to bar out from relatives in Ukraine at a time when there is no border with foreigners from Central Asia, that this fence from the Slavs and Europe, combined with a visa-free regime with Tajikistan, is the ideology of the current Russian government.

It is gloating that Russia has finally recognized its true place - in Asia. It is gloating that Russia has finally lost Ukraine.

In Ukraine, everything is just fine. Everything is just fine.

What is happening in Ukraine?

As it became known to Vesti, Markov was detained for beating nationalists.

The leader of the Rodina party, in a telephone conversation with the Vesti correspondent, stressed that he was detained for participating in the 2007 fight of the year near the walls of the regional state administration.

President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych has signed amendments to the Tax Code, which may deprive the leader of the UDAR party, Vitali Klitschko, the right to participate in the upcoming presidential elections. It is reported Lenta.ru with reference to the "Commander".

The corresponding bill was adopted by the Verkhovna Rada on October 24, provoking a scandal. The reason for this was the situation, which reads as follows: “In the event that a person has the right of permanent residence in the territory of a foreign state, it is considered not to live in Ukraine.” The UDAR faction said that the amendment was a provocation against its leader, who has a residence permit in Germany, and, according to media reports, paid taxes there for some time (according to the law, Klitschko must live in Ukraine for ten years years preceding election day).

We will speak bluntly - this is stripping competitors for the sake of power. This, of course, undermines the legitimacy of future elections. Simply put, it is a usurpation of power. Yanukovych loses legitimacy.

At the same time with all this, the President of Ukraine is going to sign an association agreement with the EU, but he goes to Putin’s meetings every week.

Both have a common goal with Klitschko’s ban and Markov’s arrest — these are actions aimed at maintaining power at any cost.

The association with the EU, and if to speak directly - the sacrifice of Ukraine and its people to the altar of the European economy, will give Yanukovych the support of Europe, and Putin ... Putin needs to somehow be persuaded to pay for all this happiness of Yanukovych because the economy is collapsing right before our eyes, nothing pay wages, nothing to pay energy. All this is fraught with simple and understandable word "rebellion."

Let's tell the truth: this is the end.

What we see now is the end of Ukraine as a “not Russia” project. The mutant is not viable by virtue of the ideology of creation — Ukraine, as not Russia, cannot exist. The only way for Ukraine to be is to be Russia.

All this is agony, and the Ukrainian elite can only tighten it and choose options for the elimination of Ukraine as a state.

The political configuration at the moment is as follows: the illegitimate Yanukovych, who lost the support of the pro-Russian East as a traitor and hated Bandera West from the very beginning. From the East, we have driven to the bunks on the contrived cause of Markov and Medvedchuk, the West puts on Pygnibok. The most likely sympathies of the center relate to Klitschko, whom Yanukovych wants to make it impossible to elect himself, that is, he simply appointed himself the enemy of both the brothers and their electorate.

Now Yanukovych is hated by everyone, he is hated by all of Ukraine, and this is the only consensus that exists in Ukrainian society.

At the same time, the West hates the East and enjoys full reciprocity. The only thing that stands between them and their hatred is the single president of Ukraine, to whom the high sides simply don't give a damn now. Islamists settled in the Crimea, ready for armed struggle against both the Kiev government and the local Russian population, most of whom have Russian passports.

Violence is about to break out.

In addition to all these factors, the government of Ukraine independently adds one more - strange and ambiguous actions in relation to Transnistria. As if all of the above are few.

The economic collapse, the disappearance of energy and social affairs, the loss of wages, the Wahhabis in the Crimea, the Russian revolt, Bandera, the illegitimate president. What could all this mean? From the point of view of the Ukrainian patriot, this “punishment” is another word in the time of Ukrainian independence, which has turned into its own opposite. Like Square, by the way.

So I see the works of philologists of the future on this topic: “Linguistic perversions of the period of“ independence ”. You can write a thesis.

Now it is obvious to me that Ukraine will soon be torn apart into pieces, the fate of which will depend, including on our readiness and desire to intervene in this terrible process.
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  1. Dangerous
    Dangerous 21 November 2013 07: 23
    15
    Once again I’m reading articles about Ukraine. Living there, tell me - is there really such a mess with you ?? It really becomes a pity - a great country and wonderful people have found themselves in such a situation. Oh, how tired of all these games of politicians, because of which ordinary citizens of the country are suffering more and more! ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 07: 46
      35
      Quote: Dangerous
      It really becomes a pity - a great country and wonderful people, and we found ourselves in such a situation

      I would not say or would not talk about all-wonderful people
      1. Dangerous
        Dangerous 21 November 2013 08: 09
        32
        Well, I wanted to indicate in parentheses that for the most part they were wonderful, but I didn’t)) And those who in the picture will always feel inferior will feel that everyone owes them
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 21 November 2013 10: 10
          25
          Project "Ukraine" is at its very base vile, Jesuit, whoever rules in it. Any betrayal or murder there is good if it is appropriate. If something does not correspond to their expediency, then any crimes, lawlessness, slander are possible against this.

          Markov is being repressed for allegedly hitting one of those who arrived in Odessa with a pogrom of Bandera. (How else to call their visits, they even demolish monuments). But not a single criminal case has been opened for the fact that the Ukrainian authorities themselves, the same Bandera, beat, maim, kill Orthodox parishioners: materik.ru/rubric/detail.php?ID=6272http://materik.ru/rubric/detail. php? ID = 6272

          The singer in a narrow circle may have called the Ukrainian-language schools "for children". The opinion is not without foundation and it is evidence-based. Do you think she was only deprived of the right to work for her own opinion? She is now not only being persecuted, but also physically persecuted and beaten. Naturally, at the suggestion of the authorities, since no one is punished for beating the singer. But the whole Minister Vovkun at a meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers called the Russian language "dog's tongue". Has the minister even been reprimanded?

          There are millions of examples of duplicity, Jesuitism. Then they, the leaders of the Ukraine project, will come to Moscow and will say: brothers, dear gas, we have nothing, give it, give it.

          And the insane under the conduction of grant-eaters will blame the damned Muscovites for all their stupidities.
          1. nikolaev
            nikolaev 21 November 2013 11: 17
            34
            Because for the West, creating the zone of instability near the border with Russia is the most important military and economic task, especially in Ukraine. It seems to them that it will solve all their problems and spit on the lives of millions of people in Ukraine, how to spit on them millions of lives in the Middle East .How did they spit on Vietnam, Latin American countries. What a nightmare the peoples of these countries went through !!!
            1. So_o_tozh
              So_o_tozh 21 November 2013 14: 07
              -32 qualifying.
              At your side no one will create an instability zone, do not drive snowstorms, money is important for the West, and money loves silence.
              1. Hudo
                Hudo 21 November 2013 14: 54
                26
                Quote: So_o_tozh
                At your side no one will create an instability zone, do not drive snowstorms, money is important for the West, and money loves silence.


                Tell the Serbs about this, but better not even try. angry
                1. AVV
                  AVV 21 November 2013 22: 58
                  +3
                  When the tops can’t, but the lower classes don’t want, what kind of situation such a situation leads to! This is the impotence of the authorities! And draw your own conclusions! And every second Russian has relatives in Ukraine !!!
              2. bootlegger
                bootlegger 21 November 2013 15: 37
                +8
                It is doubtful that significant funds will be invested in Ukraine.
                Of course, some money will go, but no one is interested in staying there, so no one will strive for stability in Ukraine.
                The EU, from Ukraine, is not going to do Switzerland.
                1. storm
                  storm 21 November 2013 23: 15
                  +1
                  The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine adopted a decree today, according to which, in the interests of national security of Ukraine, the process of preparing for the conclusion of an association agreement between Ukraine and the EU has been suspended. This was reported by the press service of the government.
                  "The order was adopted for the purpose of a more detailed study and elaboration of a set of measures that Ukraine must carry out to restore the lost production volumes and directions of trade and economic relations with the Russian Federation and other CIS member states, to form an appropriate level of the internal market, which would ensure parity relations between Ukraine and the EU member states, being the basic principle of international law and the basis of the country's economic security, "the message says.
          2. In the book
            In the book 21 November 2013 12: 09
            +5
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            Project "Ukraine" is at its very base vile, Jesuit, whoever rules in it. Any betrayal or murder there is good if it is appropriate.

            What do you think, Nikolay S., what would a resident of Ukraine answer to this?
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            Markov is being repressed for allegedly hitting one of those who arrived in Odessa with the pogrom of Bandera

            Dig into the net, read where "legs grow" from in pursuit of Markov and who he is. In short, Markov, a former deputy from the Party of Regions, who was deprived of his deputy mandate, allowed himself to speak not flatteringly about the authorities, for which he was recalled his past "merits". By the way, Markov, that is still a fruit. Read about him here: http://politrada.com/Dossier/persone/id/1621
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            The singer in a narrow circle may have called Ukrainian-language schools bydlya

            Firstly, not in a narrow circle, but on Facebook: http://mignews.com.ua/en/articles/144823.html
            Secondly, it would be interesting to me to know how you would react to such statements by the singer, for example, the Tatar opera and ballet, addressed to Russian-speaking schools in Kazan.
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            Then they, the leaders of the Ukraine project, will come to Moscow and will say: brothers, dear gas, we have nothing, give it, give it.

            Well, what's the problem, chase them up. They are not asking for the people of Ukraine, but for themselves, in order to grab more.
            1. Walker1975
              Walker1975 21 November 2013 13: 54
              +5
              +100. My opinion is that thanks to some leaders of the Russian Federation and such Nicholas, Ukraine will be squeezed into NATO. Not now, but in 10-15 years - for sure. Retirees who remember how they lived together will be less and less, and young people (even in the east and south), for example, rooting for their team, and then reading to grow. forums-so the Ukrainians need, and hearing statements, a la that they live in a non-state-will also make a choice not in favor of the Russian Federation. I see no greater absurdity - to urge to be together and to humiliate at every step. Do people have brains?
              1. bootlegger
                bootlegger 21 November 2013 15: 47
                +3
                Ukraine is a dubious acquisition for NATO.
                Do not forget, in the Crimea, the Russian Navy and for a long time. NATO does not need situations shaking the integrity of the organization.
                1. Walker1975
                  Walker1975 22 November 2013 01: 43
                  -1
                  A quarter of the population of Russia is not inferior to the Russians in terms of brain, spirit and everything else. Only all Slavs and Christians.
                  1. bootlegger
                    bootlegger 22 November 2013 08: 46
                    +3
                    Do not overestimate. Slavism is not a quality mark.
                    Among the southern Slavs, individualism and lack of self-discipline always prevented consolidation into large and self-sufficient countries. In 1991, an attempt was again made and again failed.
                    Now, like hundreds of years ago, an independent and effective state still does not come out of Ukraine. Even the people who live there do not believe in the possibility of this. For twenty years they have been destroying the USSR’s inheritance and holding it only because of this. They have divided everything and now everything has come down to a choice decay or external control. Now is the stage of choosing this manager. Just like hundreds of years ago ...
              2. vober
                vober 21 November 2013 17: 07
                +3
                "... Ukraine will be squeezed into NATO. Not now, but in 10-15 years - for sure."
                10-15 years is a considerable period - it still needs to exist somehow
              3. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 21 November 2013 19: 33
                +9
                All this "humiliation" did not begin suddenly. And people have brains quite well. This we have heard for years, how you, yes, YOU, the inhabitants of the modern "power" Ukraine poured on our heads. How YOU opened monuments to ghouls, how YOU blamed us for everything from the first fall into sin ... It is not necessary to say that this was done exclusively by your government, we know that ... and you know. You know, right?

                No, we are not encouraging you to "be together." Top up! You will have to prove to us that you WERE to be with us. And it will be very difficult for you, we saw too much meanness from Ukraine and Ukrainians. Well, who does not want - the road is a tablecloth! No, we will not persuade you. As now no one persuades you. We're just defending ourselves. We protect our jobs and our money, which, unlike some, we do not draw.
                We will continue to do this. Our GDP is a great politician, recognized by the whole world with a gnash of teeth, he simply does not know how to do nonsense in foreign policy. And when you give up the "association with the European Union" - nothing will change! At the border, there will still be a wall for your goods, and soon we will probably offer a choice - our citizenship or get out. And we will cover the export of money tightly so that some of them do not save up fat at our expense. Or Ukraine will become, as it should be, the Ukraine of Russia, or a run to the European Union. Well ... beating with his heels ...
                1. Walker1975
                  Walker1975 22 November 2013 01: 44
                  -3
                  Quote: Mikhail3
                  No, we are not encouraging you to "be together." Top up! You will have to prove to us that you WERE to be with us


                  I didn’t understand something: Russia is calling Ukraine to the CU or vice versa?
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 22 November 2013 17: 33
                    0
                    Quote: Walker1975
                    I didn’t understand something: Russia is calling Ukraine to the CU or vice versa?

                    Apparently, this rhetoric is aimed at the domestic electorate in Russia, in which pro-Ukrainian sentiments are strong.
                    1. DimychDV
                      DimychDV 25 November 2013 18: 09
                      0
                      Or a person receives money in the same place where the current picketers are from the West. I think if Ukraine needs the necessary help, just hold a referendum on Russia, the majority will speak out - FOR, and despite the difficulties! But how can this country, cut into four pieces, be glued together again? For them, the church is not authority, politicians are enemies, military are adversaries, civilians - it’s just that auto-moderation discards such words ... Will the Federation have to enter it, or what? .. And what to do with Wahhabis? ..
                  2. xan
                    xan 22 November 2013 22: 00
                    +2
                    Quote: Walker1975
                    I didn’t understand something: Russia is calling Ukraine to the CU or vice versa?

                    Where can Ukraine call and what to offer? Himself not funny?
                    Putin is building gas flows bypassing Ukraine - nothing shines with such Kremlin Ukrainians, whether you are at least in the TS, at least for the TS, do not flatter yourself.
                2. xan
                  xan 22 November 2013 21: 54
                  +3
                  Quote: Mikhail3
                  All this "humiliation" did not begin suddenly. And people have brains quite well. This we have heard for years, how you, yes, YOU, the inhabitants of the modern "power" Ukraine poured on our heads. How YOU opened monuments to ghouls, how YOU blamed us for everything from the first fall into sin ... It is not necessary to say that this was done exclusively by your government, we know that ... and you know. You know, right?

                  For some reason, Ukrainians present on the site forget about this, but remember about
                  Quote: Walker1975
                  and then reading on growing up. forums-so the Ukrainians need, and hearing statements, a la that they live in a non-state-will also make a choice not in favor of the Russian Federation. I see no greater absurdity - to urge to be together and to humiliate at every step. Do people have brains?

                  Am I supposed to forget the travel guide to Crimea, published by free Ukraine in the 90s, where Russia was exposed as an incapable of creating an aggressive country. Ah, Ukrainians, so who was the first to start pouring and biting the hand of the giver? No need to tell us about the humiliation by Russians of Ukraine, you deserve it.
              4. 31231
                31231 21 November 2013 21: 38
                +4
                that thanks to some leaders of the Russian Federation and such Nicholas, Ukraine will be squeezed into NATO.


                But what about ?! brains again to blame. laughing
                You and your rulers, when will you start to answer for yourself? And do not blame someone.
              5. xan
                xan 22 November 2013 21: 46
                +3
                Quote: Walker1975
                I see no greater absurdity - to urge to be together and to humiliate at every step. Do people have brains?

                you better remember the hash hanging, accompanied by the stories of the leadership of Ukraine about the occupation, about the ever-drunk and worthless Russia, for centuries sweeping the Ukrainian people. And then you had brains?
          3. So_o_tozh
            So_o_tozh 21 November 2013 14: 05
            -12 qualifying.
            Therefore, everything should be on a reasonable and rational basis, but no, Russia cannot do this, always using the right of the strong, it will always put all cancer and have, sorry for my French. Therefore, either we enter the CU or leave the EU) you must always have a cream on hand ... Or explain to me how Ukraine should be with Russia and on what terms or conditions?
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 21 November 2013 15: 59
              +8
              Therefore, either we enter the CU or leave the EU

              But how else?
              Therefore, everything should be on a reasonable and rational basis,

              Well, what is the rational basis of Fim? I am begging you...
              You have written a clever phrase and then emptiness. Just once again added oil ..
              Or explain to me how Ukraine should be with Russia and under what conditions or without conditions?

              I mean, on what terms? Yes, be and that's it. Enough with the anti-Russian policy to begin with. Otherwise, you are always just bargaining. In the style of "what will you give us" "oh no, they promised us more in Europe" and so on ...
              And the fact that in Russia such an attitude in RuNet is the fruits of the policy of your own leadership.
              she will always put all cancer and has

              May God grant us otherwise ...

              So now we are sitting in the Sphinx pose and are observing. And what’s the saddest thing? What everyone understands! And you including ...
              1. DimychDV
                DimychDV 25 November 2013 18: 24
                0
                - Mykola, drifted, I'm dying.
                - That patron mute ...
                - So I’m selling toby !!!

                Jokes are jokes, but you don't need to buy a brotherhood. You just need to remember about him. And remember who is much more willing to "finish shooting" from his NATO caramultuk. We somehow lived without Ukraine for these 20 years, and Muscovy somehow survived with the Ylyakhs on the Dnieper ... But how can Ukraine without Russia - so far these 20 years have already shown something. And even if life in the EU and the CU will be equally bad ... But with whom - in the CU (and isn't it easier?) And against whom - in the EU? .. They are all so peaceful there - not a single word of their own Gorbachev has not yet been contained, and NATO is still on our borders.
                WHAT IS SO ??? After all, those promises were made before the USSR, but such a country no longer exists ...
            2. bif
              bif 21 November 2013 20: 19
              +2
              Quote: So_o_tozh
              Or explain to me how Ukraine should be with Russia and under what conditions or without conditions?

              Putin has repeatedly said that "Ukraine’s entry into the EU is not our business at all." Return the pennies and go wherever you wish. Now no preferences and everything is according to the contract. Western politicians and political scientists argue that Putin seeks to draw Ukraine in and make it a part of Russia. This is just another lie. No one in Russia, from President Putin to the poorest pensioner, wants Russia to swallow Ukraine and incur the costs associated with stealing money from Yanukovych and Co. Russia is interested in independent Ukraine, which is not a member of NATO and other aggressive structures. Europe has a different task. The EU wants to draw Ukraine into its structure ...
            3. 31231
              31231 21 November 2013 21: 42
              +4
              but no, Russia cannot do this, always taking advantage of the right of the strong, it will always put all cancer and have,


              What are you talking about ?! It’s a pity that Nursultan Abishevich and Lyaksandr Grygorich don’t hear you. And that would be a doooo.
            4. JIaIIoTb
              JIaIIoTb 21 November 2013 21: 57
              +4
              Quote: So_o_tozh
              explain to me how Ukraine should be with Russia


              Everything is simple. Ukraine must become Russia. Not a republic in the composition, not autonomy, namely Russia. As it was before 1917.
            5. xan
              xan 22 November 2013 22: 06
              0
              Quote: So_o_tozh
              Therefore, everything should be on a reasonable and rational basis, but no, Russia cannot do this, always using the right of the strong, it will always put all cancer and have, sorry for my French.

              Listen, Nebuchadnezzar, when do you hang around for you, and for others 190 - is this also the Russian law of the strong? And while listening to rhetoric about wretched Russia - how can you be called after that? Do you have a short memory, or are you persecuting with a smart Ukrainian face?
              What kind of people they see no candelabra
      2. Denis
        Denis 21 November 2013 08: 10
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I would not say or would not talk about all-wonderful people
        Maybe they want sexual education lessons as Moldovans suggested?
        Moreover, as a prerequisite and almost the first condition for joining the gay EU
        Let them think, who thought the same
        1. nikolaev
          nikolaev 21 November 2013 11: 00
          16
          In fact, the process of Ukraine’s entry into the EU is as follows: 1) to all deputies, the government to become in a certain position
          2) then emissaries of the West come to Ukraine
          3) the emissaries of the West introduce the "elite of Ukraine" to the "values" of the EU.
          Does this remind you of anything? Especially when it comes to values?
          But this is practically the whole thing when the elite surrenders their country, despite the fact that it has become an elite, it promised this country protection, independence, in short, all the best, but instead they robbed, dishonored and sold!
        2. GastaClaus69
          GastaClaus69 21 November 2013 13: 12
          -15 qualifying.
          Quote: Denis
          Maybe they want sexual education lessons as Moldovans suggested?

          No, we want our schoolgirls on the gateways to ... get pregnant and then drink acetone to "carry"!
          Do you know what terrible things I heard from a friend working as a volunteer in one of the centers for helping minors? Most students do not know basic things. What, what, and sex education lessons are simply necessary!
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 21 November 2013 14: 58
            10
            Quote: GastaClaus69
            What, what, and sex education lessons are simply necessary!


            If you and your children need it, and without it, then do it privately - hire pedo-zoo-coprofiles to be tutors to shake your men in front of you, maybe it will make you feel better.
          2. Dazdranagon
            Dazdranagon 21 November 2013 15: 06
            +6
            Strange, but in my time (1992-2002) there were no sex education lessons at school. And everything was fine - it wasn’t ... on the gates. But the fact that
            Quote: GastaClaus69
            Most students do not know basic things
            - so this is a miss of parents. hi
            1. Kars
              Kars 21 November 2013 15: 27
              +3
              Quote: Dazdranagon
              And everything was fine - the gates weren’t ...

              Probably it was boring? Or did you plump? Graduation 1999. In grade 8, the girl went on maternity leave.
              Quote: Dazdranagon
              - so this is a miss of parents.

              yes, even though most likely after the Internet everyone is too confident.
              1. Dazdranagon
                Dazdranagon 21 November 2013 16: 04
                +3
                Quote: Kars
                Was it boring? Or were you thumping?
                - No, it was not boring. In the evening on weekdays - soccer / volleyball / hockey, on weekends a disco (yes, we drank, but in moderation).
                Quote: Kars
                graduation 1999. in grade 8, the girl went on maternity leave
                - It happened, but these are isolated cases.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 21 November 2013 16: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: Dazdranagon
                  In the evening on weekdays - soccer / volleyball / hockey,

                  Sport))) fi - well then.
                  Quote: Dazdranagon
                  - It happened, but these are isolated cases.

                  Did you know everything? Everywhere they held a candle? And how many do you think of abortions for one open care in .. a decree ..?
                  1. Dazdranagon
                    Dazdranagon 22 November 2013 08: 48
                    +2
                    Quote: Kars
                    Did you know everything? Everywhere they held a candle? And how many do you think of abortions for one open care in .. a decree ..?
                    - grew up in the village - there everyone knows everything about everyone! hi
          3. Albert1988
            Albert1988 21 November 2013 17: 53
            +3
            Quote: GastaClaus69
            what and sex education lessons are simply necessary!

            This, my friend, depending on what lessons: if they have continuous gay propaganda, then you will have schoolgirls with schoolgirls and schoolchildren with schoolchildren, although in this situation no one will get pregnant ....
          4. Denis
            Denis 21 November 2013 18: 43
            +1
            Quote: GastaClaus69
            do not know basic things.
            Godikov in 10-11 about the wonderful process of fucking ... if it's too early to know, and they won’t understand everything early
            But in a sexually educated and tolerant Scandinavia, before the age of 7, they decided to call the child itwill grow up will decide
            Do your grandchildren want this?
          5. bif
            bif 21 November 2013 20: 43
            +6
            Quote: GastaClaus69
            What, what, and sex education lessons are simply necessary!

            In NORMAL families, PARENTS must raise children, instill moral principles, culture ... no one is better than Mother or Father to raise a teenager, and if parents have moral problems, then children will be even worse ...
          6. JIaIIoTb
            JIaIIoTb 21 November 2013 23: 54
            +1
            Quote: GastaClaus69
            and sex education lessons are a must!


            Maybe just take up ordinary education?
            And that sexual education without education will make Ukraine the largest brothel in Europe. And for both sexes.
          7. Evp Kolovrat
            Evp Kolovrat 21 January 2014 17: 53
            0
            What nonsense? And then what role do parents play in children's lives? Such things are precisely conveyed to the children of father or mother.
      3. domokl
        domokl 21 November 2013 08: 37
        +3
        The author clearly drew points over Yo ... But, everything that is happening now was predictable enough. Yanukovych is really now a persona non grata for most Ukrainians. And he doesn’t want to go to prison again.
        There are only two real opponents - Julia and Klitschko. A beautiful move has been made. Klitschko (namely, he would be most satisfied with everyone) is withdrawn from the fight. Julia will sit ..
        But tragically, I would wait to write about the collapse. I think the Ukrainians have enough mind to prevent a collapse ...
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 21 November 2013 10: 35
          +6
          Quote: domokl
          The author clearly drew points over Yo ... But, everything that is happening now was quite predictable. Yanukovych is really now a persona non grata for most Ukrainians. And he doesn’t want to go to prison again. There are only two real opponents - Yulia and Klitschko. A beautiful move has been made. Klitschko (he would suit everyone the most) has been taken out of the fight. Yulia will be sitting .. But tragically, I would wait to write about the collapse. I think Ukrainians are smart enough to prevent collapse ...

          And what options does Ukraine have? I understand that some of the local princelings will try to bargain with Russia again, but does the EU need it? The very calm position of Russia is based not just on composure, but on common sense. Ukraine will not be pulled by the EU, there will not be enough money for integration. This is obvious to everyone. For "free" the Ukrainians themselves are not accustomed to "integrate", they would get something for their loyalty. And the collapse of the Ukrainian economy is already inevitable. Too few resources and too much debt. And they are too dependent on exports to Russia. Therefore, their policy of turning away from Russia, begun back in 2004, has always really played into Russia's hands. For it was not a "begging" policy of independence that Ukraine has been pursuing since 91.
          In such a situation, you just had to wait, today the time is coming. The IMF can drag out for more time by giving another "dose" of loans, but this is a road to nowhere. All the more so if Russia uses all its possibilities. Our economies are highly interconnected, but this is not critical for Russia. Moreover, for a number of industries it is beneficial to support their projects.
          1. domokl
            domokl 21 November 2013 11: 28
            11
            Quote: Gluxar_
            And what options does Ukraine have?

            I completely agree with your point of view. Alas ... But I will try to justify my own (in the question of unity) ...
            The fact that Ukraine consists of completely different parts is no secret to anyone. Talking about patriotism and other beautiful rhetoric is also not a factor for me. There is a specific belly that needs to be fed daily. This is the main thing.
            So. The east of Ukraine is practically the only place where at least something else is produced. But it is not made for the European market, but for Russia. This means that the reorientation of Ukraine for the east will be a collapse.
            The West is not even able to provide itself at all and sits on subsidies from the center, which means it feeds on the east. Politically for the West, Europe is closer, but again the notorious own belly intervenes.
            Crimea? The same situation. The industry in the corral and the only thing that can be offered to the market right now is tourism. But will people go there with the Crimean service? Moreover, this year Sochi will become a really attractive place for foreigners.
            And from this it follows that Ukraine is not profitable to lose the Russian market. And all attempts are reduced solely to again begging for something from Russia. Therefore, Putin does not make any movements either.
            1. bif
              bif 21 November 2013 21: 04
              +4
              Quote: domokl
              I completely agree with your point of view.

              Quote: domokl
              Because Putin doesn’t make any movements either.

              Feeling that the soil was getting under his feet, the European Union activated its main caliber - Angela Merkel, arming it with a superweapon - a promise of money even before joining the EU. Nevertheless, Merkel herself is not sure that even something will come of it.
              Against this background, the silence of the Russian side is very revealing. It's just amazing, the whole world is going crazy and makes breathtaking statements. If it came to the point that Merkel spoke out, then what can we say about the Baltic countries and Poland, which seem to be hoarse, agitating Ukraine to join the EU ...
              Frau Chancellor shows some kind of anti-Russian dynamics, saying that he will support Ukraine against Russian pressure ... Putin has repeatedly said: "Where Ukraine goes is not our business at all, but our business is to protect our market." After the last election, Frau Merkel started a certain drift away from Russia, this is a clear sign that this is her last term in the chair of the Chancellor ...
              For Merkel, the choice is very certain. Either anger Russia, but capture Ukraine, or continue to listen to Putin. In a crisis, Germany may not be afraid of a lack of Russian gas, but if Ukraine could be pulled out, it would make Merkel the most prominent politician for many centuries to come.
              The German housewife herself openly says that she talked with Putin more than once and convinced him that the association of Ukraine with the EU does not pose a threat to Russia. Persuaded, but not convinced ...
              Meanwhile, the details of the conversation that took place during Yanukovych’s secret visit to Moscow are beginning to clear up. Some media outlets hastened to report that Yanukovych’s indecision was connected with Putin’s promises made during that meeting. However, what has become known from Ukrainian sources suggests the opposite: Putin did not promise anything, and insisted only on closing the Russian market for Ukrainian goods. So once Europe behaved towards Ukraine, but Russia then gave Ukraine all kinds of loans and concessions. Now, it seems, the parties have switched places. If Putin has prepared a whip for Ukraine, the EU is preparing a carrot. The same Merkel threatens to open the EU market for Ukrainian goods even before joining the EU. Well, that is hardly, of course. So we understand that if Putin hid the gingerbread in his pocket from Ukraine, then Ukraine’s affairs are bad, .
              http://contrpost.com/ru/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3393-rossii-pridetsya-opyat-pokor

              yat-germaniyu
              1. Kars
                Kars 21 November 2013 21: 06
                +2
                Quote: bif
                The EU has activated its main caliber - Angela Merkel

                Late. The news reports that Ukraine suspended all European integration processes. The pressure of the Russian Federation acted.
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 21 November 2013 22: 09
                  +6
                  Quote: bif

                  The EU has activated its main caliber - Angela Merkel

                  Quote: Kars
                  Late. The news reports that Ukraine suspended all European integration processes. The pressure of the Russian Federation acted.


                  In some epic Soviet film about the final stage of the Second World War, the capture of Berlin there was an episode (I quote naturally not verbatim):

                  - gentlemen! Only MIRACLE can save us (the army of Venk blocked by Soviet troops).

                  - Hitler's officer runs into the bunker, and with bulging eyes shouts hysterically: "Gentlemen, there won’t be a miracle! MIRACLE WILL NOT BE! LORD..."
                2. regsSSSR
                  regsSSSR 21 November 2013 22: 16
                  +2
                  kars
                  Late. The news reports that Ukraine suspended all European integration processes. The pressure of the Russian Federation acted.


                  Well, the good news)
                  but suspended it, that is, postponed indefinitely?
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 21 November 2013 22: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: regressSSSR
                    but suspended it, that is, postponed indefinitely?

                    As long as the EU does not compensate for the losses in the economy that Ukraine will inflict on the Russian Federation. And until the EU affects the IMF on the loan without additional conditions. Well, the EU will refuse to issue Tymoshenko. It was immediately clear that the condition is impossible.

                    Well, so far there is no mention that a course has been taken to join the CU.
                    1. regsSSSR
                      regsSSSR 22 November 2013 06: 28
                      0
                      Kars
                      While the EU does not compensate for the losses in the economy that Ukraine will inflict on the Russian Federation. And until the EU affects the IMF on a loan without additional conditions

                      fair
                      Kars
                      Well, the EU will also refuse to issue Tymoshenko. It was immediately clear that the condition was impossible

                      that is, never
                      or until the next orange revolutionary comes up to Olympus)
                      Kars
                      Well, so far there is no mention that a course has been taken to join the CU.

                      well it is clear
                      generally stalemate
                      back to where we started
                      strange war somehow awkward
                      Europe Ukraine Russia: brush 0 0 0
                      but now perhaps Moscow will squeeze Yanukovych to the last in tam as with the advent of the new government (so as not to come) the chances will obviously decrease
        2. Grandson of Veteran
          Grandson of Veteran 21 November 2013 10: 43
          11
          ".. I think the Ukrainians are smart enough to prevent collapse ..."
          Ukrainians have enough, but the leadership of Ukraine is unlikely.
        3. nikolaev
          nikolaev 21 November 2013 11: 07
          10
          He has only one way out - to be friends with Russia! And throw all your strength into it! Although savings over the hill will disappear, they will make a new one for the next presidential term, which will be a very real deal. In this case, more than 50% will definitely vote for him. And if you strain the press and promote polls and comprehensive education on the dangers of association and the lack of prospects of EU membership, then all 70% are real!
          Juvenile, gay - on this our people are very easy to raise. Add sovereignty - here, and nationalists can help. At the expense of the CU to boost the economy! In this case, all the cards are on hand, and the national hero!
          And then why does he need the EU ?!
          1. Far East
            Far East 21 November 2013 11: 38
            +9
            Quote: nikolaev
            He has only one way out - to be friends with Russia! And throw all your strength into it!

            dear, how can you be friends with your brother sister! we are one PEOPLE! we were forcibly shoved into "orphanages" .. KIND rulers! hi
            1. Walker1975
              Walker1975 21 November 2013 13: 56
              +3
              That is why the Russian Federation now massively prohibits the entry of Ukrainians into the Russian Federation?
              1. Dazdranagon
                Dazdranagon 21 November 2013 15: 08
                +4
                This is called "childishness" on the part of our leadership. "Give me my toys and don't pee in my pot" ...
                1. gych
                  gych 21 November 2013 19: 19
                  -3
                  this so-called repyachka sideways goes for the people and the Russian Federation so obviously will not earn the location of the Ukrainian people
                  1. Victor-M
                    Victor-M 21 November 2013 22: 57
                    +6
                    Quote: gych
                    this so-called repyachka sideways goes for the people and the Russian Federation so obviously will not earn the location of the Ukrainian people

                    And by chance, you won’t tell how Russia can earn the Ukrainian people’s favor, probably give a multi-billion dollar loan and smoothly push or hold little hands under European integration, while Ukraine will still make a displeased face. It’s enough to become impudent, it’s time to self-determination, or to the West to lackeys , or equal, in the vehicle.
                  2. JIaIIoTb
                    JIaIIoTb 22 November 2013 00: 14
                    +4
                    Sorry for being rude. But you have clearly dependent thinking, unfortunately highly developed in your country.
                    No one else will give you anything for "pretty eyes" or anything else.
                    Enough. We have well understood what will follow.
                    Sideways will go exclusively to you. While you will be strangers.
                    That's when you become yours. Then we'll see.
                2. bif
                  bif 21 November 2013 20: 50
                  +2
                  Quote: Dazdranagon
                  That is why the Russian Federation now massively prohibits the entry of Ukrainians into the Russian Federation? This is called "childishness" by our leadership. "Give me back my toys and don't pee in my pot."

                  It's called "WELCOME to the EU! Get used to it early."
              2. gych
                gych 21 November 2013 19: 16
                0
                blah! 5 points! let the EU and Russia explain to the PEOPLE of UKRAINE all the advantages and not the advantages of an alliance with them! Ukraine is now like a blanket, pulled in all directions, and people are freezing
                1. bif
                  bif 22 November 2013 04: 12
                  0
                  Quote: gych
                  Russia will explain the people of Ukraine

                  1.RF NEEDS nothing to the people of Ukraine, let alone SOMETHING to explain.
                  Quote: gych
                  all the advantages and disadvantages of an alliance with them!

                  2. Nobody in the Russian Federation calls Ukraine to join the "union".
                  Quote: gych
                  Ukraine is now like a blanket, pulled in all directions,

                  3. More like a "suitcase without handles"
                  Quote: gych
                  and people are freezing

                  4. Themselves have chosen their government, so "there is nothing to blame on the mirror if the face is crooked."
            2. vanaheym
              vanaheym 21 November 2013 14: 52
              -3
              Quote: Far East
              Dear, how can you be friends with your brother and sister! we are one PEOPLE!


              Well, what kind of brother am I to someone who writes something like that? In white slippers I saw such brothers.
              Quote: Nikolay S.
              Project "Ukraine" is at its very base vile, Jesuit, whoever rules in it. Any betrayal or murder there is good if it is appropriate. If something does not correspond to their expediency, then any crimes, lawlessness, slander are possible against this.
          2. bif
            bif 21 November 2013 20: 54
            +2
            Quote: nikolaev
            And then why does he need the EU ?!

            The main beneficiary of the desired entry into the EU can be considered those who are in power today, who, having sucked to power today, are pulling money from a bloodless state, it has become such thanks to them ...
            http://topwar.ru/35446-otkuda-ukrainskoe-spokoystvie-putina.html#comment-id-1647
            823
      4. Ulan
        Ulan 21 November 2013 10: 22
        12
        This is true. The Ukraine is different and the people there are different. The same Zapadents lived for 600 years either under the Germans or under the Poles, and this naturally affected their mentality.
        1. nikolaev
          nikolaev 21 November 2013 11: 05
          +6
          ABOUT REFUSAL OF UKRAINE FROM SIGNING THE AGREEMENT ON ASSOCIATION WITH THE EU
          In this situation, Nazis and Wahhabis can be activated to destabilize the situation. Actually, these groups were created by the West to influence the stubborn in such situations. Therefore, the destruction of old Ukrainian tanks was pushed, since in street battles they are quite applicable, as the battles in Syria showed.
          Such groups are created and fed by intelligence services of the West. Therefore, they do what the West orders. They can get out of control if they stop paying them.
          Then they become dangerous in the countries of the West themselves. And since a new economic crisis is brewing in the West, the West urgently needs to transfer these gangs to someone so that they do not start operating on their territories. It turned out: "not for Senka a hat." What is needed now is the most severe suppression of any attempts at destabilization and use of Russia's assistance in Crimea. And in the Western regions to manage on their own.
          1. GastaClaus69
            GastaClaus69 21 November 2013 13: 31
            +2
            What kind of tanks, there are so many cops in Ukraine that for every Wahhabite there will be a hundred "keepers of order".
            Quote: nikolaev
            Now it is necessary to severely suppress any attempts to destabilize. And use the help of Russia in the Crimea. And in the Western regions do it yourself.

            People responsible for this work very well, believe me, I know by hearsay!
            1. gych
              gych 24 November 2013 16: 50
              0
              how many cops?! from 200 thousand. about 100 thousand management equipment (plus GSO BB but 300 thousand, it doesn’t work out except as a freelancer)
          2. vanaheym
            vanaheym 21 November 2013 14: 53
            -1
            Have you specially made the same comment several times in topics about Ukraine, word for word post? Especially probably saved to a file?
      5. slvevg
        slvevg 21 November 2013 10: 44
        11
        In this photo, everything is simple: people went to work, yet it’s easier with a poster than with a shovel. Who pays everyone knows, and how much they pay too. These people (with posters) are far from politics. But it works for the media. Not a single group of people in Ukraine can organize itself without investment and a single center from outside, even opposition forces ...
      6. So_o_tozh
        So_o_tozh 21 November 2013 13: 54
        +2
        The country is not without freaks, and yes it’s not all, there are very few remarkable, very few of us)) wassat
      7. WASABI
        WASABI 21 November 2013 16: 53
        +3
        What we see now is the end of Ukraine as a “not Russia” project. It is obvious to me that Ukraine will soon be torn apart into pieces, the fate of which will depend, inter alia, on our willingness and desire to intervene in this terrible process.




        What else can I say? !! sad
        1. builder
          builder 21 November 2013 17: 19
          0
          Have you investigated?
        2. Evp Kolovrat
          Evp Kolovrat 21 January 2014 18: 14
          0
          So this is all obvious. Those who were glad to tear the throat glad - they are the lackeys of mattress covers.
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      9. storm
        storm 21 November 2013 23: 06
        +1
        And about all and it is not necessary, this is clearly not my native Crimea, but in Kiev there are enough of such ....!
    2. alexdol
      alexdol 21 November 2013 08: 22
      37
      Dangerous RU ". Living there, tell me - is there really such a mess there?"
      ------------------------------------------------------------
      I answer. I live in Kharkov. Production is on the verge of stopping. I work, albeit a pensioner, at HARTRON - there is such a plant. In Soviet times, 5 thousand people worked there at the plant and 6 thousand in KB! Today the plant employs 200 people! But that is not all. A 50 percent reduction is now planned! It is already underway! What will be left after that? But this company took part in the creation of a control system for the SS-18 .....
      1. Ulan
        Ulan 21 November 2013 10: 27
        +5
        Yes ... a sad picture. Sincerely sorry. Due to the unpredictability of the Ukrainian authorities, Russia is creating its own missile to replace the SS-18. And they could together.
        True, I'm afraid Ukraine is no longer capable of this.
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 21 November 2013 10: 33
          0
          SS-18 at what kind of rocket? I do not know these at the Arms of the Strategic Missile Forces.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 21 November 2013 10: 35
            +3
            Quote: leon-iv
            SS-18 at what kind of rocket? I do not know these at the Arms of the Strategic Missile Forces.

            This is the P36m according to NATO classification.
            1. leon-iv
              leon-iv 21 November 2013 10: 50
              +7
              This is P36m according to NATO classification

              Yes, I know. I know. It’s just annoying when it calls our Products in bourgeois
              1. avg
                avg 21 November 2013 12: 41
                +1
                Yes, I know. I know. It’s just annoying when it calls our Products in bourgeois

                Unfortunately, we now have a "bourgeois" way, and they have less stratification and more socialism.
              2. Cat
                Cat 21 November 2013 13: 04
                +2
                Quote: leon-iv
                This is P36m according to NATO classification

                Yes, I know. I know. It’s just annoying when it calls our Products in bourgeois

                well let's not ...
                I agree that it is not good to call "our" missiles "in their own way. But on the other hand - when this very P36M is called in bourgeois "Satan", and the boats 877 of the "Black Hole" project, for some reason none of the Russians is indignant, on the contrary, they only grin =)))
                At the same time, does the Su-100 airplane, which is no longer "ours", but exclusively "yours," have a Russian name at all? Personally, I have not heard, maybe you can clarify ...
              3. Ulan
                Ulan 21 November 2013 14: 52
                +1
                I will no longer boo. repeat
                Do you like Voevoda?
      2. SPLV
        SPLV 21 November 2013 12: 31
        11
        And what about the plans to stop “named after Ilyich”, “Azovstal”, “Azovmash”? As far as I know, these once flourishing enterprises were almost bankrupt, and many tens of thousands of people worked there. And "Azovmash" made rolling stock for BZHDK, armored vehicles, and much more. How much steel was produced! Yes, of such quality that the Americans and the Germans did not hesitate to buy, not to mention the Indians, etc. Someone learned well: breaking is not building, it is much easier.
        1. Kars
          Kars 21 November 2013 13: 21
          +6
          Quote: SPLV
          "named after Ilyich", "Azovstal", "Azovmash"?

          So different Boyku needed not to build palaces for themselves but to invest in the modernization of production in order to be competitive in the world market.

          But meth plants in Russia are also shut down, and not by the piece. It's just that there is no news about this.
          Quote: SPLV
          Yes, of such a quality that the Americans and the Germans did not hesitate to buy

          Maybe cheaper? It’s not in vain that in the USA antidumping was constantly included in the rental.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 14: 29
            +4
            Quote: Kars
            But meth plants in Russia are also shut down, and not by the piece. It's just that there is no news about this.

            Kars, you drove by, talked yesterday with Eugene Mechanic, what kind of factory were you talking about, that it was being closed wink
            I will not upset you and say what and how, but I will say this ... I heard a ringing, but I did not understand where he came from lol
            1. Kars
              Kars 21 November 2013 14: 34
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              what kind of factory were you talking about that they were closing it

              So I didn’t say it, but your fellow countryman.
              ttp: //v-fedotov.livejournal.com/246459.html
              The metallurgical production of Uralmashzavod, the largest enterprise in the Urals, has already been stopped for a month. By the end of the 2013, the steelmaking, forging and pressing, foundry and chipping workshops will be closed with the subsequent liquidation. Officially, this closure is temporary. Allegedly, the Board of Directors should develop a plan for the reorganization of the plant. However, the factory newspaper “For Heavy Engineering” is sure that the workshops will never be opened again, the people who worked in them will be fired, and it is planned to build a large residential quarter with entertainment and trade establishments on the site of the plant.

              In fact, in the capital of the Urals, a crisis is brewing today, and, in words from a Soviet textbook, a "revolutionary situation" is created: poverty, unemployment, social humiliation, resentment, in the end, for the destruction of not just the largest Ural plant, but an entire era in history cities and countries, - laments the portal "Orthodoxy and World", which is not at all a radical opposition site aimed at "rocking the boat".


              And by the way, in Ilyichovsk, the meth plants have not yet been closed.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 21 November 2013 15: 49
                +3
                The metallurgical production of Uralmashzavod, the largest enterprise in the Urals, has already been stopped for a month. By the end of the 2013, the steelmaking, forging and pressing, foundry and chipping workshops will be closed with the subsequent liquidation. Officially, this closure is temporary. Allegedly, the Board of Directors should develop a plan for the reorganization of the plant. However, the factory newspaper “For Heavy Engineering” is sure that the workshops will never be opened again, the people who worked in them will be fired, and it is planned to build a large residential quarter with entertainment and trade establishments on the site of the plant.

                In fact, in the capital of the Urals, a crisis is brewing today, and, in words from a Soviet textbook, a "revolutionary situation" is created: poverty, unemployment, social humiliation, resentment, in the end, for the destruction of not just the largest Ural plant, but an entire era in history cities and countries, - laments the portal "Orthodoxy and World", which is not at all a radical opposition site aimed at "rocking the boat".

                This happens when businessmen do not want to invest money in the plant and the old Soviet equipment is no longer taken out. We have almost the same ... And this will be even more.
              2. zmey_gadukin
                zmey_gadukin 21 November 2013 18: 19
                +2
                Incidentally, Severstal in Cherepovets systematically reduces its employees.
              3. 31231
                31231 21 November 2013 22: 02
                +1
                The metallurgical production of Uralmash arose for a simple economic reason. Most castings have long been cast directly at mining enterprises. Asbest, Kachkanar. Simply put, their volumes were taken by the consumers themselves. Partly volumes are lost due to the purchase of imported mining equipment.
    3. APES
      APES 21 November 2013 08: 58
      +8
      Quote: Dangerous
      Really sorry


      It is necessary to offer all who wish "Ukrainians" Russian passports with all that it implies.
      1. Vityok
        Vityok 21 November 2013 09: 06
        0
        And what will it give?
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 21 November 2013 09: 23
          11
          This will put huge obligations on the leadership of Russia, which it (by the way) will not be able to fulfill. Nevertheless, there is a sound grain in this thought, namely, the replacement of Asians by kindred Slavs with their subsequent withdrawal from the shadows and recognition as their own citizens, this would also make it possible to correct demography. Again, these are Slavs who merge quite well with the local population, who are not alien to our customs and rules (in many ways they are the bearers of these customs). This is if sketchy. And of course, everything is not simple .... And yes, for our leadership this is not obvious. Better illiterate Afghan with a Tajik passport ... Just the leadership of our country mainly lives in England and does not see what is happening ....
          1. Ulan
            Ulan 21 November 2013 10: 32
            +6
            Slavs need to pay normally. And Tajiks can be forced to work 12 hours for a penny.
            So our leadership sees perfectly what is happening in this matter on the side of business, which is more profitable for Tajiks than Slavs.
            1. Sour
              Sour 21 November 2013 11: 48
              +3
              Quote: Ulan
              which is more profitable for Tajiks than the Slavs.

              No need to exaggerate. In Russia, one job for the Slavs, another for the Tajiks. Tajiks are not taken either to factories or to offices. They mainly do work that the Slavs do not really go to. Do you offer janitors and laborers to recruit Ukrainians instead of Tajiks? Will Ukrainians agree? Not sure.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 21 November 2013 11: 52
                +2
                And the point is just the salary and the attitude of our businessmen. They initially do not want to pay adequate money. And it’s not even that they don’t want, some may want to, but this will be a "social explosion"? Do as everyone else is thrown out of business. And we are neither hot nor cold because of their savings on labor. All their cost reductions do not affect us in terms of the final cost of services. And yes, I think they would agree for an adequate salary. But the situation is such that it is easier to hire a "Tajik" for 300 rubles a year. The state must intervene here. But his state of affairs is fine.
                Tajiks are not taken either to factories or to offices

                Until. But the situation is changing ...
                Again, the same Ukrainians are working on the same jobs in Europe. So? Why not work in Russia? Because no one wants to pay. In fact, we now have a slave system with migrants ...
                Regarding the attraction of Slavs from the same Ukraine, the state could provide benefits (including to entrepreneurs), but who will do this?
                1. Sour
                  Sour 21 November 2013 12: 07
                  +3
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  Again, the same Ukrainians are working on the same jobs in Europe. So? Why not work in Russia?

                  You ask strange questions. Is it really not clear that the janitor in Italy will be paid more than in Russia? You can curse Russian employers as much as you want for greed, but you can’t get the difference in the standard of living, nobody canceled it. If anything, in Italy and the average pension is 1000 euros. Or do you think that we can also pay so much if, for example, everything is taken from the oligarchs and divided?
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  Until. But the situation is changing ...

                  This is where you saw this?
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  They initially do not want to pay adequate money.

                  Any store owner will say that buyers do not want to pay adequate money for goods, otherwise he would raise the price. And the state will say that the people do not want to pay an adequate tax, 90% interest, something like that. Your post from the same opera. You are probably very young, or you have never worked anywhere unless you understand where the price of labor comes from. Only a naive person can believe that employers can be forced to pay more at times.
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 21 November 2013 12: 20
                    +1
                    You ask strange questions. Is it really not clear that the janitor in Italy will be paid more than in Russia? You can curse Russian employers as much as you want for greed, but you can’t get the difference in the standard of living, nobody canceled it. If anything, in Italy and the average pension is 1000 euros. Or do you think that we can also pay so much if, for example, everything is taken from the oligarchs and divided?

                    The only question was that they "do not want to work as janitors," I understand where the price of labor comes from and how the pricing principle takes place. The question was that they didn’t go into such professions, but “Tajiks” did.
                    Only a naive person can believe that employers can be forced to pay more at times.

                    You can make. Naivety, yes, there is. But it is not possible to describe the whole essence of the problem of the capitalist system in two comments. Which Marx, by the way, very clearly indicated))))
                    This is where you saw this?

                    No no yes and it appears. And by the way, all the contractors and sub-contractors at our plant are more and more firms that hire migrants, and our own rem staff is reduced or taken out "behind the fence" or reduced to a minimum. A migrant, for example, does not understand what the first harm grid is. Should we talk about the quality of work? And of course they don't take them to the PLANT))))
                    if, for example, everything is taken away from the oligarchs and divided?

                    I do not think.
                    You are probably very young

                    Yes. Well, relatively. Xnumx
                    or have never worked anywhere

                    I work at a large chemical enterprise.

                    Any store owner will say that buyers do not want to pay adequate money for goods

                    Not everyone brought up in normal economic conditions will willingly give an adequate price. In the same place where the point is ruled by 300% of profits (I exaggerate) naturally this is impossible.
                    Py SUS minus is not mine, corrected.
                    1. Sour
                      Sour 21 November 2013 12: 36
                      +3
                      Quote: klimpopov
                      Which Marx, by the way, very clearly indicated))))

                      Well, this would start. So they would say that a Marxist. Marxist experiments on the economy know what they are leading to.
                      The price of a product is determined by supply and demand. Labor is the same commodity, and salary is the price of labor as a commodity. You can not arbitrarily set the price of goods. Of course, within the framework of a normal, not Marxist, economy. You can double the salary of the entire population, but this does not mean that people will live twice as good, because prices will skyrocket. And in Germany the standard of living is higher not because the capitalists are more generous there. There are other reasons.
                      Quote: klimpopov
                      Yes. Well, relatively. Xnumx

                      So I understood. Otherwise, they would not have been a Marxist. Just do not remember the consequences of ignoring the laws of the market. I clearly remember the deficit, the mess and the general bitterness of the 80s.
                      1. klimpopov
                        klimpopov 21 November 2013 12: 44
                        0
                        You can double the salary of the entire population, but that doesn’t mean

                        This is all clear. I understand what a social explosion is. By the way, our management says that "it is ready to pay many times more" and precisely because this will lead to what you wrote about, they pay exactly as much as there is an average salary in the city and region.
                        What is the product then. That is, the buyer (read the employer) sets the purchase price himself? Well, yes, I understand that in big cities there are more opportunities. By the way, here is our DAM that mono cities are a relic and a person should be ready to move for a better life ...

                        I agree with you, but you cannot let the economy float freely. The market must still be regulated. Let it not be commanding from above and totally, but the entire state should not withdraw itself. Again, we have seen what the "free" economy leads to.
                      2. yur
                        yur 21 November 2013 21: 00
                        +4
                        Marxist experiments on the economy lead to the formation of one of the greatest countries in the world in its history. And the most amazing thing is that even the fragments of that great country live better than 80% of the world's population.
                      3. yur
                        yur 21 November 2013 21: 40
                        +4
                        Speaking of patch as a product. Do you seriously think that the work of, for example, Sechin is several thousand times more valuable to society than the work of a 6th-degree turner, a talented surgeon and teacher, and finally a special forces officer who risks his life every day, including for you and me. And judging by Sechin’s salary published today, your market just thinks so.
                      4. volkodav
                        volkodav 24 November 2013 23: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: Sour
                        So I understood. Otherwise, they would not have been a Marxist. Just do not remember the consequences of ignoring the laws of the market. I clearly remember the deficit, the mess and the general bitterness of the 80s.

                        Yes, my friend, you’re stupid, the deficit was artificial, and in some places they didn’t even hear about him. Yes, and the coupons were not cooked, because without them everything was available at the same price, and in any quantity.
              2. avg
                avg 21 November 2013 12: 52
                +1
                Do you offer janitors and laborers to recruit Ukrainians instead of Tajiks?

                I know several design bureaus and pilot production under them, where, starting from the Soviet era, and where from the 90s, many Ukrainians worked. But with the election of Yushchenko, the FSB demanded that they be removed. So when changing the vector of development, for Ukrainians there is work both at home and in Russia.
              3. Mhpv
                Mhpv 21 November 2013 13: 05
                +2
                You’re wrong! Around the beginning of the 2000x, they started importing Asians to construction sites, thereby crowding out the builders of Ukrainians (residents of Donbass), and the Ukrainians were really specialists of different levels in construction, and brought in the Asiatic trenchers. drive and try to survive in Ukraine, but the 90x generation in Ukraine has grown by buy-sell and they don’t really need work in Russia, whoever sells what they can.
              4. Kars
                Kars 21 November 2013 13: 23
                +2
                Quote: Sour
                In Russia, one job for the Slavs, another for the Tajiks.

                And what in the Russian Federation is already zero unemployment?
                1. Sour
                  Sour 21 November 2013 17: 21
                  +5
                  Quote: Kars
                  And what in the Russian Federation is already zero unemployment?

                  Believe it or not, unemployment is close to zero in large Russian cities. Officially, it is in the cities of 0,5-1,2%, it is even less than in the USSR was registered in employment centers.
                  Without a job, mostly down-and-out drunks or "white collars" looking for work strictly in their specialty.
                  And in large cities, 49% of Russia's population lives (according to the latest census).
                  Of course, there is unemployment in rural areas and small towns, as well as in regions like Chechnya. But there you can’t lure migrant workers there.
                  PS I do not have a single unemployed friend. NO ONE.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 21 November 2013 17: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: Sour
                    Believe it or not, unemployment is close to zero in large cities of Russia

                    Well, I don’t believe it. And I also remember that the Russian Federation does not consist of large cities.
                    And it is thought that the influx of labor from Ukraine (well, or Spain there seems to be even more unemployment) will not please anyone except employers who will reduce wages. But it will be someone to blame.
                2. 31231
                  31231 21 November 2013 23: 01
                  +3
                  It’s enough just to come to the employment center and see who is registered there. Almost everyone who wants and can work, work.
            2. klimpopov
              klimpopov 21 November 2013 11: 56
              0
              I agree! Why is it profitable? And why are you happy? Yes, because no one is looking at the long term, it is profitable here and now. And what will happen next does not bother anyone. But the situation in Europe is changing. Anyway, we have a small ball ...
            3. SPLV
              SPLV 21 November 2013 12: 47
              +2
              Respected! No fables! At construction sites, Central Asian workers receive more than local builders, or at least the same amount. Except, perhaps, Muscovites. Very familiar with this. The main problem that most employers are faced with is the higher living standards of Russians (Asians can be settled even in a kennel) and drunkenness. The witness himself, when in a small town the owner of the enterprise brought in Tajiks, built a dormitory for them and drove out almost all the local workers. Because every Monday is a non-working day, after each salary is a non-working week. Which manager agrees to incur losses due to unjustified downtime? And this is in a town where there is unemployment and low salaries, and if you are lucky to get a job on a business trip, half the money is drunk on arrival. Saved the country
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 21 November 2013 13: 01
                0
                At construction sites, Central Asian workers receive more than local builders, or at least the same amount. Except, perhaps, Muscovites. Very familiar with this. The main problem that most employers are faced with is the higher living standards of Russians (Asians can be settled even in a kennel) and drunkenness.

                That also does not need fables. They do not receive allowances for harmfulness and so on (they simply don’t know about them). I simply will not say anything about drunkenness))) We do not.
                . The witness himself, when in a small town the owner of the enterprise brought in Tajiks, built a dormitory for them and drove out almost all the local workers

                What kind of production? Are wallets being sewn? Or do methanol do?
                Because every Monday is a non-working day, after each salary is a non-working week.

                If the object is modal, then there are no such problems.

                The witness himself, when in a small town the owner of the enterprise brought in Tajiks,

                Q.E.D. It remains to get rid of the locals completely, which, in principle, the Tajiks themselves will do.

                By the way, at the beginning of 2000x, we worked a lot of brothers Slavs from Ukraine. Now they are gone (well, almost).
                1. SPLV
                  SPLV 21 November 2013 15: 21
                  +1
                  Probably you live in some ideal conditions. Everywhere in small Russian cities such a picture with drunkenness. The regime facilities include thermal power plants and water-lifting stations. Enough of everything there. And harmful additives are the prerogative of large enterprises, primarily with a state owner. It is difficult to observe the letter of the law in terms of social sphere, if the question is about survival. Or do you propose closing all organizations with a small number of employees? After all, it’s more difficult for them to compete with giants, who often delay payments.
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  What kind of production? Are wallets being sewn? Or do methanol do?

                  No, woodworking. Full cycle. This, of course, is not spaceships, this is the production of household products, but with machine tools and other equipment.
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  If the object is modal, then there are no such problems.

                  That is, as I understand it, you are proposing to make any production secure, so that there are no "such" problems?
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 21 November 2013 15: 31
                    +1
                    That is, as I understand it, you are proposing to make any production secure, so that there are no "such" problems?

                    To some extent, it is true that any production should be regime and there should be a regime with all the consequences (including woodworking). And yes, what do you mean by the regime of an object?
                    Perhaps you live in some ideal conditions. Everywhere in small Russian cities such a picture with drunkenness.

                    Well, I would not say, of course, not ideal conditions, and drunkenness is present, but that it somehow ruins production and even more so forces Tajiks to be imported ...
                    Do you propose closing all organizations with a small number of employees?

                    And after the last reform, is there anything else left? So we have come to the conclusion that the state has destroyed small and almost destroyed medium-sized businesses. Or semi legal only due to Tajik-Uzbeks.
                    And additives for harmfulness are a prerogative of large enterprises, first of all with a state owner

                    It just requires the law. And it's not that state or not. If the employer is decent, or rather not, if the employer can afford to pay according to the law (I generally keep quiet about the social network, even large ones try to get rid of it) then ...
                    Private holding. City 150 000 us. A plant in the best of times of 7000 after 3000 optimizations is barely typed ... Plus, another plant is nearby for less. Near the state district power station they are also building to process metal scrap, so that they would not carry it to NOvorossiysk on the spot, but there will not be 1000 there either. The profile has a name.
                    1. SPLV
                      SPLV 21 November 2013 15: 51
                      +1
                      A regime facility is any enterprise that, if the equipment is used improperly or the production process is organized, can harm the environment or cause death. And the enterprises of life support of people as well.
                      You are probably lucky, but I had to work all my life in organizations with numbers from 30 to 100 people, primarily construction. But we worked at various facilities, including city-forming factories. And we travel on business trips all over the European part of Russia, from Moscow and St. Petersburg to the hinterland, so I can imagine the situation a bit.
                      1. klimpopov
                        klimpopov 21 November 2013 16: 14
                        +1
                        You are probably lucky, but I had to work all my life in organizations with numbers from 30 to 100 people, primarily construction.

                        But we worked at various facilities, including city-forming factories. And we travel on business trips all over the European part of Russia, from Moscow and St. Petersburg to the hinterland, so I can imagine the situation a bit.

                        Most likely, the local mentality plays a role (I do not want to say that everything is completely teetotalers), but there is no such thing as in the Volga region, for example (excuse me, just an example, I visited Ulyanovsk). We have other problems here.
                        Again, everything is correct about the regime. But a person should have a responsibility in production and then he will not "thump" at the factory (well, according to the idea). But I’m all so very concise and crumpled, you cannot fit it into a comment.

                        By the way, maybe we visited?
                      2. SPLV
                        SPLV 21 November 2013 16: 55
                        +1
                        Sorry, it did not happen. The southernmost object was in the north of the Rostov region. At some point, several local workers were required to be hired, but refused. The reason is the same - alcohol. The turnover is great, the working conditions are not ideal, we have workers from different regions of Russia. Recently, it has become increasingly difficult to meet people who work in one place for many years. There is, of course, the backbone with whom you have been working for 8-10 for years, but the rest change jobs more often.
                      3. klimpopov
                        klimpopov 21 November 2013 18: 04
                        +1
                        The trouble is all small firms. Techie yes. But to direct everyone refused .. although who knows ..
                        For us, for example, the main thing is not to hire representatives of the national republics, the Armenians are still the norm, but better than the Slavs. Well, I don’t know with alcohol, but they drink it so that it’s so common, although this is my subjective personal opinion.
                        Will you be welcome, we are (seriously) ..
                    2. slon133
                      slon133 21 November 2013 19: 05
                      +2
                      City N-SK? He lived, studied and was called from there. Now fate has abandoned him abroad. The other day I’m flying to visit my relatives in our wonderful city. Good luck, countryman!
                    3. klimpopov
                      klimpopov 21 November 2013 22: 08
                      0
                      How long have you been? Oh, I'm afraid to be disappointed. Ushatali city. Only recently has a bit of change begun. Successfully fly!
        2. ultra
          ultra 21 November 2013 14: 49
          +4
          Quote: SPLV
          and drunkenness.

          Have you not seen drunk Tajiks? I regularly, the climate probably works! laughing
          1. SPLV
            SPLV 21 November 2013 15: 31
            +4
            Watched, and more than once. But they, as in the USSR-with a margin. If from 100 people drink 10 at a time (and there are hundreds of them at construction sites) then this is not a great loss, the production factor, they will come again. This is where the plus from the lack of official employment works.

            There are animals in the forest. Fox: "Oh, I feel bad! At first I got a job guarding the poultry house, but could not resist, ate a chicken. They immediately kicked out, beat me!" Wolf: "And I did the same. I settled down to graze the sheep, could not resist ate the lamb. They beat it, drove it out." The bear is fat, barely dragging his legs: "And I am a watchman at a construction site. If I want to eat, I will eat a couple of Tajiks. Who counts them?"
          2. Sour
            Sour 21 November 2013 17: 25
            +1
            Quote: ultra
            Have you not seen drunk Tajiks?

            I see Tajiks, Uzbeks, and Azerbaijanis who have drunk a little and are drunk a little drunk regularly. At home, their elders and mullahs do not give them a thump, but here they are not.
        3. AlNikolaich
          AlNikolaich 21 November 2013 14: 56
          +4
          Quote: SPLV
          Because every Monday is a non-working day, after each salary is a non-working week. Which manager agrees to incur losses due to unjustified downtime? And this is in a town where there is unemployment and low salaries, and if you are lucky to get a job on a business trip, half the money is drunk on arrival. Saved the country

          Strange your words ... Who sang? How did you sing it? Forcibly no one solders anyone! Everyone is free to drink or not! If a person has no responsibility, he can thump without stopping ...
          Yes, not so many drinkers in Russia! No fairy tales!
          If a person wants to live a normal life, have a family and work, he will never drink thirsty!
        4. volkodav
          volkodav 24 November 2013 23: 35
          0
          I don’t have to sing an ode to Tajiks and Uzbeks, I also worked in a small town as an assistant to the leader (the owner is Uzbek) -1) the Asiopians drink no less than ours (by the same problems booze) 2) no Tajik Uzbek will work if he doesn’t have shoot less than 25-30 a month 3) they are almost all DULL- with a head that, at home, find normal work
  2. Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 21 November 2013 10: 36
    +2
    Quote: Vitek
    And what will it give?

    This will make it possible to self-determine and restore historical justice.
  • nikolaev
    nikolaev 21 November 2013 11: 27
    +4
    With joy. But what the hell to give the Anglo-Saxons, Poles, Turks, original enemies, their land ?!
  • core
    core 21 November 2013 12: 33
    +3
    do not forget to give passports a pension and salary, children's allowances, disability benefits, etc., etc.
  • SHILO
    21 November 2013 09: 25
    +8
    Dangerous

    Once again I’m reading articles about Ukraine. Living there, tell me - is there really such a mess with you ??


    It would not be true, I would beware of posting such articles. hi
    1. O_RUS
      O_RUS 21 November 2013 11: 50
      +3
      Quote: SHILO
      I would beware of posting such articles.


      come on! laughing
      I myself am a resident of Kiev, I have been living in Russia for the second month. Ukrainian lies seen enough in the Ukrainian media and in those.

      The situation changes and immediately the Ukrainian media votes in a new way ... well, then the Ukrainian runs with a new idea.

      And as for Ukraine - if the employee has the proper qualifications, he is not a couch potato, he is able to objectively evaluate his knowledge (this helps to take up the textbook at the right time, and to take advanced training courses on time) has a decent salary.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 21 November 2013 12: 08
        +3
        And as for Ukraine - if the employee has the proper qualifications, he is not a couch potato, he is able to objectively evaluate his knowledge (this helps to take up the textbook at the right time, and to take advanced training courses on time) has a decent salary.

        Yes, but this in particular is not in the mass. Lucky for those who received a worthy obazanie, mostly Soviet.
        1. O_RUS
          O_RUS 21 November 2013 12: 21
          +2
          "predominantly Soviet." - 20 years of independence ...
          Soviet education is great !!! He himself received it in the USSR. But let's return to independence - a lot of things have been "marking time" for 20 years, in one place. As a result, we have: the need to improve qualifications, and not everyone is ready for this.

          on this mass in general.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 21 November 2013 12: 47
            +2
            and not everyone is ready for it

            Yes, and it costs money. We have few who want to invest in themselves. But the best investment. I agree!
            I already received post-Soviet education, but I have not yet managed to reform it.
            1. O_RUS
              O_RUS 21 November 2013 13: 07
              +3
              Quote: klimpopov
              Yes, and it costs money. We have few who want to invest in themselves. But the best investment.


              Yes, I agree with you!

              So we in Ukraine came to the conclusion that - you need to work well on the earth every day, and you will get the result only in the fall - BUT this is not acceptable for the majority ... it's too dreary and long. Plus, there are those who are more profitable to lease land to a foreign state than their Ukrainian.
              Learning is expensive for a long time and not everyone after 35 takes a textbook in their hands.

              Easy and affordable - buy sell
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 21 November 2013 13: 12
                +1
                Easy and affordable - buy sell

                Exactly.
                And so the shortage of wild frames. It seems that there are many people without work, but you can’t take them to work.
                1. O_RUS
                  O_RUS 21 November 2013 13: 17
                  0
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  Easy and affordable - buy sell

                  Exactly.
                  And so the shortage of wild frames. It seems that there are many people without work, but you can’t take them to work.


                  good

                  also looking for the guilty
                2. Mhpv
                  Mhpv 21 November 2013 14: 24
                  0
                  Soon there will be other personnel in Ukraine:
                  In Lisichansk on November 18 2013, in a large meeting room of the city’s executive committee, a seminar was organized by the Polish company EURO-PA consult group, which recruits foreign students to study at Polish universities. The theme of the seminar is “European Integration in Education. Bologna education system. ”
                  Studying in Poland: instructions for applicants
                  Representatives of universities in the Pomeranian Voivodeship of Poland, using the example of higher educational institutions of the cities of Gdansk and Gdynia, spoke about the features of getting an education in Europe.
                  In addition, a video presentation was prepared for those present on the programs and areas of study at Polish universities and the opportunities that education provided by the Bologna system provides.
                  One third of foreign students in Poland are Ukrainians
                  The event was attended by representatives of the administrations of Lysychansk schools, students of 9-11 classes, their parents, as well as deputy mayors Vladimir Marchenko and Maxim Golovnev.

                  And local comments here http://lisichansk.com.ua/2013/11/26353
      2. avg
        avg 21 November 2013 13: 05
        +2
        if the employee has the proper qualifications, he is not a bummer, ... has a decent salary.

        A big role is played by age. My acquaintances - pilots, workers, engineers from the former test shop of the Kamov firm (formerly located in Feodosia), have both experience and education - there is nowhere higher, but under the age of 60, and you’ll get to hell. And this has been going on for 10 years.
        1. O_RUS
          O_RUS 21 November 2013 13: 12
          +1
          Quote: avg
          nowhere above, but age under 60, and to hell where you get settled.


          we had two after 60 years. One is still working. And Sergeich himself left - he often said, "I'll leave. Raising grandchildren is more important."
          1. avg
            avg 21 November 2013 16: 57
            +1
            It all depends on the situation. Often, at a tender age, nutrition is more important than education. yes
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 21 November 2013 10: 26
    +2
    Quote: Dangerous
    Once again I’m reading articles about Ukraine. Living there, tell me - is there really such a mess with you ?? It really becomes a pity - a great country and wonderful people have found themselves in such a situation. Oh, how tired of all these games of politicians, because of which ordinary citizens of the country are suffering more and more! ...

    Ukraine is crooked blinking. People there are good, but with a "bullet in the head". They are very similar to the Russians of the year 93-96, but only without war and terrorist attacks. So they did not immediately sober up. Each lady has "grown wiser", because he thinks of himself first and second.

    In general, this is a crooked mirror for Russia to see where you can come if you do not go your own way and fight with history.
    The fact that Ukraine will fall apart I do not believe. All the same, there are more than 50% of the Russian population. What happens is what the local princes and proteges of the State Department were so afraid of. Ukraine will be bought up by Russian capital, on this they will depart from the abyss.
    But until the moment of "buying" from the country, the traitors will try to draw out all the juices. By the way, the default of Ukraine may become the largest in the known history. The Europeans, realizing that their plan has failed, will begin to twist their arms, the local princes will play along with them. So every piece of land or house can be mortgaged and re-mortgaged. However, those who have replaced "today's" are likely to simply default on their debts and offer the Russians to take all that remains.
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 21 November 2013 10: 35
      +1
      Quote: Gluxar_
      People there are good, but with a "bullet in the head".


      it’s not a bullet, it’s a shell, every Ukrainian is sure that only he is right and understands everything, only children don’t enter into discussions about politics, they have so much brains, a zombie’s watch EVERYTHING completely.

      Quote: Gluxar_
      All the same, there are more than 50% of the Russian population.


      there are many more, and more than Russian-speaking, 80%

      Quote: Gluxar_
      By the way, the default of Ukraine may become the largest in the known history.


      and here I am with Alex Romanov, I agree, they deserve it.
      1. komsomolets
        komsomolets 21 November 2013 11: 06
        -1
        I agree, they deserve it.

        And what does my people deserve, can you explain?
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 21 November 2013 11: 45
          +2
          Quote: komsomolets
          And what does my people deserve, can you explain?


          the moment is, familiarity at VO is not held in high esteem, so for a start, on you, okay? "your" people incl. this is my person, and I can say with full responsibility that there is no cure or vaccination against stupidity, in this case, "treatment" is possible exclusively with Shock Therapy (term Economics).
          1. komsomolets
            komsomolets 21 November 2013 12: 02
            +1
            And now the moment is different, if you write that 45 million brotherly people deserve shock therapy (term.Economics), then what rules of communication you can count on (and this is still mild)
            1. seller trucks
              seller trucks 21 November 2013 12: 22
              0
              Quote: komsomolets
              45 millions of brotherly people deserve


              such figure "45 million", maximum 39? 6 million, cosmopolitan defectors, and about the "brotherly" you turned down.
              1. komsomolets
                komsomolets 21 November 2013 12: 40
                +3
                Ottuduva (According to the State Statistics Service, as of August 1, 2013, the population of Ukraine was 45 million 464 thousand 917 people.
                Read more here: http://www.unian.net/news/596114-v-ukraine-tretiy-god-podryad-perenosyat-perepis
                -naseleniya.html) Well, if I "bent" about the brotherly people, well, it's good that this is just a verbal skirmish.
                1. seller trucks
                  seller trucks 21 November 2013 13: 10
                  +2
                  your statistics will be breached, in order to lose Ukrainian citizenship, it is necessary to write a statement addressed to the President of Ukraine, so even if this is done through the embassy, ​​I really disguised 19 years ago and circumvented this procedure, so when a person received a Russian passport he wanted to spoil to these letters, there are no such people in nature.
                  1. komsomolets
                    komsomolets 21 November 2013 14: 24
                    +2
                    I really deceived 19 years ago and circumvented this procedure

                    about cosmopolitan non-defenders it is written off, I understand correctly?
                    1. seller trucks
                      seller trucks 21 November 2013 15: 05
                      +6
                      Quote: komsomolets
                      about cosmopolitan non-defenders it is written off, I understand correctly?


                      (+) thanks, good question. I, who was born in the USSR and did not recognize any Ukraine, did not recognize, therefore, I just packed up my bag and left for Russia with 20 $, which is incredibly happy, and I live here. I am damn happy that there is no Shevchenko, embroidered shirts and Bandera, as well as obscurantists like Tyagnibok and Farion.
      2. Walker1975
        Walker1975 21 November 2013 14: 04
        0
        Quote: seller trucks
        it’s not a bullet, it’s a shell, every Ukrainian is sure that only he is right and understands everything, only children don’t enter into discussions about politics, they have so much brains, a zombie’s watch EVERYTHING completely.


        Well, then the Russians just have a minimum in their heads "Topol". Every Russian knows:
        - what should each neighbor do;
        - when the United States falls apart;
        - knows everything about world diplomacy and the machinations of the State Department;
        - What should any Middle East state do, how China will behave;
        - which countries use and which do not have PKO, genocide, etc.
        - when and at what stages the rotting west will collapse (Russia, of course, will only grow stronger).
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 21 November 2013 14: 53
          +2
          Quote: Walker1975
          Every Russian knows:


          nonsense, most Russians simply don't give a damn about Ukraine, in Russian news blocks this is a maximum of neutral 30 seconds. there is nothing, perhaps, there are some programs, I can't say, I almost refused the box. In my opinion, only Prokopenko speaks about America and China in "Military Secret", again I am not an expert in the broadcasting network. So your post is past the checkout
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 21 November 2013 10: 53
      +1
      There, 80% Russians and 20% Galicians, who impose Ukrainians on everyone, are more than desirable for disintegration.
    3. nikolaev
      nikolaev 21 November 2013 11: 36
      +7
      In Ukraine there are fascists (who have unlimited financial support), there are normal people (mostly without money) - most of them are for whom the fascist is the first enemy.
      There are mainly thousands of Wahhabis in Crimea (they have financial support from the West) and there are opposing forces Orthodox and traditional Muslims — they are the majority, but who do not have state and financial support. Ukraine is antagonistically different. While the overwhelming minority of destabilizing corrupt elements, but due to support from the West, this is an active minority.
    4. oaziss
      oaziss 21 November 2013 12: 12
      0
      Quote: Gluxar_
      The fact that Ukraine will fall apart I do not believe. All the same, there are more than 50% of the Russian population.

      I don't know who inspired this to you, but in 2001 there were about 8335000 ethnic Russians in Ukraine, that is, no more than 17.3%, but even with this ratio, I do not believe in the "collapse" of Ukraine.
    5. vanaheym
      vanaheym 21 November 2013 15: 15
      0
      Quote: Gluxar_
      Ukraine will be bought up by Russian capital, on this they will depart from the abyss.

      Do not tell, they will leave the abyss - at first the war is for the redistribution of spheres of influence, then the purchase of some regular English football team. That is all that Russian capital will bring to Ukraine in this case.
  • nikolaev
    nikolaev 21 November 2013 10: 45
    +6
    http://www.regnum.ru/news/1735011.html - интересная статья из которой видно ,что простым гражданам не так просто противостоять тем силам,которые задействованы ,чтобы оторвать Украину от России.Запад уже готовится к широкомасштабной дестабилизации в стране,если не будет подписано соглашение с ЕС. По идее сейчас для того, чтобы предотвратить сползание в террористическую войну необходимо прервать дипломатические отношения с США,всех дипломатов и граждан ЕС и США выслать! Это нужно делать срочно,иначе все кончится большой кровью.Все нацистские и вахабитские группировки должны быть срочно поставлены под жесткий контроль, деятельность их центров прекращена самым жестким способом.Кто это сделает?
    1. Korben
      Korben 22 November 2013 10: 51
      -2
      Oh and restless, already in the second round I went! Stuck ?!
  • komsomolets
    komsomolets 21 November 2013 11: 00
    10
    To say a complete mess is to lie, ordinary people are busy with their usual business of survival, those who hold power, stealing their own thieves. Simple people and authorities live in different dimensions and are still quiet. But problems are accumulating. Dead roads that no one will ever repair have got, huge bills for communal apartment, requisitions on the roads, in hospitals (if you don’t have money, you’ll die), bring money to kindergarten, bring money to school, if you are a civil servant, join the Party of Regions, miserable salaries and pensions paid with delay, total theft ( comrade stole clothesline from the yard at night), fat cops weighing more than 25kg at 100, but still be patient. How long will be enough patience, time and a Kalashnikov assault rifle will show.
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 21 November 2013 11: 11
    +7
    Quote: Dangerous
    Living there, tell me - is there really such a mess with you ??
    This is not such a mess. They don’t write about much in the media. Prohibited...
  • Egoza
    Egoza 21 November 2013 11: 12
    +5
    Quote: Dangerous
    Is there really such a mess there ??

    Mess! I confirm! The only thing is that the authorities are now striving to do some kind of "body movement". Changes leaders of all levels and tries to "spread straws" for himself. Another 34 public organizations wrote an appeal to the president not to sign an association with the EU. In this case, people are concerned about the relaxation of gay laws, etc. There has already been an appeal from industrialists with a request "to pause, at least for a year." So most likely a retreat is being prepared. Moreover, Symonenko (the leader of the CPU) shows SUCH signature packs for the vehicle (collection of signatures is completed, there will be a publication - I will post a "figure"), which can really be done by a naughty guy.
    Yes, they also promised from December 1 to increase pensions and the minimum cost of living.
  • alex13-61
    alex13-61 21 November 2013 11: 13
    +4
    Quote: Dangerous
    Once again I’m reading articles about Ukraine. Living there, tell me - is there really such a mess with you ??

    I recall the 90s. A dispute with a colleague. He is ethnic Russian, but hails from the memory. There are Old Believer settlements there. My main argument: Ukraine will die without Russian resources ... in 10 years they met and he admitted that I was right.
  • Kars
    Kars 21 November 2013 11: 24
    +1
    __________))))))))))))))))))
  • Anper
    Anper 21 November 2013 11: 35
    13
    I live in Western Ukraine. We communicate in two languages ​​- and no one is against. Unemployment is almost total - part works in Russia, part - in the West. So, smoldering trade, small enterprises. All large high-tech enterprises are either destroyed or half-working due to the fact that they are somehow included in Russian
    (high voltage factory). Nobody talks about politics, with the exception of a few idiots. People in suspended animation of survival. Young people - in the suspended animation of an inspired free life - a beer-maker, entertainment, imprisoned in the West. It’s easier to live for those who have connections with the village, and almost everyone has them (well, there are potatoes, lard, etc.)
    1. O_RUS
      O_RUS 21 November 2013 12: 51
      +2
      Quote: Anper
      People in suspended animation of survival. ... It’s easier to live for those who have connections with the village, and almost everyone has them (well, there are potatoes, lard, etc.)


      I am from Kiev (now in Russia).

      You have little land where you can work? You are lazy and used to a gambling machine.

      When came independence and thanks illiterate managersI lost my job. To survive, he left Kiev (outside the city), lived in a temporary hut and worked with his wife on the ground. It’s hard ... they didn’t get enough (I sat in the evenings with those literature) - but the land in Ukraine is such that it can feed a worker. Yes, they didn’t eat sturgeon but fruits and vegetables — for 1 family in excess.

      Do not wait for the manna of heaven - shovel in your hands and work.
      1. cumastra1
        cumastra1 21 November 2013 13: 17
        +2
        everything goes in a circle. as well as 300 years ago (no, more of course) Ukraine will collapse into a dozen specific principalities. Something will be picked up by the Poles, something by the Romanians, and something by the Pechenegs. And only then, when those who are "klyatye" will die, Ukraine will slowly return to their relatives. Not all at once and not all, and not the fact that someone will wait for her, because she will have to pour blood for her again.
      2. Anper
        Anper 21 November 2013 13: 55
        +2
        So no one is waiting for manna from heaven - chugging, surviving, or would have bent long ago. You just forget about some things - to work on the ground, you need to at least buy this shovel, seedlings, and fertilizers - this is far from affordable for everyone .
        In addition, everyone is afraid of hospitals, like fire - insurance - no one has medical ones. They do not exist in fact. You get a card - pay (the amount depends on the nurse’s arrogance), and your treatment depends on the conscience of the doctor - here in a couple of days an amount equal to the average salary (and there’s no salary) flies out on drugs, and even the staff feed (for droppers, etc.) d.). MRI on average costs 800 hryvnias, and a pensioner's pension - 1200 UAH (also on average) - and you always get sick suddenly, so what does dependency mean? 12 UAH was thrown out for oncological cooperation to his father, they were gathered by the whole family, distant and close relatives, and an acquaintance came from Russia. says that such operations are free for you. I DO NOT BELIEVE.
        1. Orthodox warrior
          Orthodox warrior 21 November 2013 15: 16
          +1
          Quote: Anper
          12 UAH was thrown out for oncological cooperation to his father, they were gathered by the whole family, distant and close relatives, and an acquaintance came from Russia. says that such operations are free for you. I DO NOT BELIEVE.


          Anaa, I have a relative from the Moscow region lying in the center of Blokhin in Moscow. He is a cancer patient. So, having collected all the necessary certificates in a week and having passed the examination, he was operated on. Operated completely FREE! And this is normal. Many cancer operations are carried out at the expense of the state. They paid only for the fact that the relative then lay in the room for several days after the operation (such as renting the room after the operation). And before the operation, he lay in the center, while undergoing examination, for free. Plus, he is given the necessary medicines for him at a reduced price. That's it.
          1. Anper
            Anper 21 November 2013 15: 53
            +4
            To be honest, I could not stand it, it burst into tears. After you remember that you are sitting under the operating room and think how the operation is going, but if there is enough money to pay the doctors and what will happen if it’s not enough, and what to do if it’s not enough for the aftercare treatment, and at that time the utilities of the house grab by the throat - it became dreary.
            SO, FRIENDS OF RUSSIANS ARE NOT ALL SO BAD IN YOUR HOUSE. VALUE IT.
            1. Orthodox warrior
              Orthodox warrior 22 November 2013 13: 40
              0
              Quote: Anper
              SO, FRIENDS OF RUSSIANS ARE NOT ALL SO BAD IN YOUR HOUSE. VALUE IT.


              Thank you, Anna! Yes, we are glad that we have such a wonderful homeland! A lot, of course, a mess, but a lot of good! And we're not going anywhere from here! This is the homeland!
      3. Misantrop
        Misantrop 21 November 2013 15: 10
        0
        Quote: O_RUS
        Do not wait for the manna of heaven - shovel in your hands and work.

        The whole trouble of the local lands is that "seven with a spoon" immediately run into "one with a bipod"
  • Algor73
    Algor73 21 November 2013 13: 02
    +3
    I really live in Ukraine. Yesterday there was a salary (20th day, as always). My wife also works in a government agency. Also, for now, there are no problems. Buses, trains go, planes fly, children go to school, shops work, everything is normal with heating. If I had not read the media, I would not have known that everything is so bad with us.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 21 November 2013 13: 47
      +3
      Quote: Algor73
      Really live in Ukraine.

      Unlike you, most citizens in Ukraine SURVIVE.
      I know not by hearsay, until recently I myself was a "giant of the non-settlement", there were connections with friends in the Donetsk region.
      To the social sphere, teachers, mine builders (in general, "state employees") salaries are not paid on time, in some cases the delay is 2-2,5 months.
      The Pension Fund is on the verge of bankruptcy, up to 50% of the required pension benefits are subsidized from the state budget, i.e. the stagnant economy does not provide the necessary level of fees and deductions.
      LIST CAN CONTINUE AND CONTINUE ...

    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 21 November 2013 14: 05
      +4
      Last weekend I talked with mother Gurzuf (Crimea), worked for many years in the Artek subway (mts Artek), the camp is in a state of bankruptcy, employees receive a delay of 20% of the salary.
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 21 November 2013 15: 18
      +5
      Quote: Algor73
      Really live in Ukraine.
      Yes, there are many living. But only every day - less and less. Only this week I had to participate in two (!) Funerals (a neighbor and a friend). Elderly, there’s nothing to be treated properly. And here as a confirmation:
      Note that the total amount of debt to teachers in the Crimea on sick leave today is 2 million 67 thousand UAH. The entire amount of debt arose in 2013.

      http://ikrim.net/2013/1101/016295.html
      1. Kars
        Kars 21 November 2013 15: 30
        +2
        Quote: Misantrop
        Note that the total amount of debt to teachers in the Crimea on sick leave today is 2 million 67 thousand UAH. The entire amount of debt arose in 2013.
        http://ikrim.net/2013/1101/016295.html



        and so what happened? Ukraine has not yet joined the EU, even has not signed an association, and everything is becoming bad.
      2. seller trucks
        seller trucks 21 November 2013 15: 35
        +5
        Quote: Misantrop
        Elderly, there’s nothing to be treated properly.


        (+) my mother thundered to the regional Livadia, there is nothing in the hospital, not even basic bandages, cotton wool and syringes, I’m generally silent about medicines, but there are 3 pharmacy outlets directly on the territory, medicines are sold individually in ampoules and tablets, without cash registers , packages are numbered by hand as in the USSR - wildness.
      3. Corsair
        Corsair 21 November 2013 16: 32
        +4
        Quote: Misantrop
        Elderly, there’s nothing to be treated properly.

        Extortion in medical institutions of Ukraine is already a "by the talk of the town," he personally ran into during a "visit" to Donetsk region. We decided with friends to "visit" a comrade who "thundered" in the cardiology of hospitals of one of the mining towns ...
        They wanted to make a surprise, without informing him about the visit and ... "got". You see, you see, he asked for time off to go home, and we with a "transfer" in a silent scene at the nurse's post.
        But the "sister" did not get lost for a long time, they say, leave the "transfer", but FOR THIS SOMETHING IS NECESSARY TO GIVE.
        We are naturally "HA-HA", "OF COURSE, COURSE
        , "CHOCOLATE WITH US"!
        To which "madam" answers: "I DO NOT NEED CHOCOLATE, BUT CHOCOLATE fellow "

        But that's not all!
        From a distance, another extortionate in a white coat rushes along the corridor and shouts: "Two, two chocolates!"

        I myself almost had a heart attack ...

        And imagine what they do with the patients ...
        1. Korben
          Korben 22 November 2013 11: 04
          0
          It was necessary for them to advise the head physician to come in for a chocolate bar! There are enough such boors everywhere! We educate them ourselves!
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 22 November 2013 11: 15
            +2
            Quote: Korben
            It was necessary for them to advise the head physician to come in for a chocolate bar!
            The head physician himself will call them, for his share. These are not individual grabbers, this is an established system. request First, a diploma is bought, then a place in the hospital staff. Well, then - the invested funds are beaten off. You will be in the Crimea, take a look at a curiosity in any of the city hospitals in Simferopol. With rare exceptions, there are wild queues for Slavic doctors, but for the Tatars there are practically no one. Despite the fact that the Tatars are now in the state - the majority
  • Walker1975
    Walker1975 21 November 2013 13: 45
    +2
    A lot of exaggeration! The author of the article works according to the principle: I didn’t kick Ukraine in the morning - you walk like a spit all day. A mess - like everyone else. In one case, the author is right - Yanek is eager for power in 2015 at all costs, and wants to be recognized in Ukraine and by his neighbors. And the rest is so much nonsense that there is no power to comment.

    Let the citizens of Russia better tell me: did the Russian government really decide to make sure that friendship between Ukraine and Russia (never to mention a common state) is ever restored? That is, in words everything seems to be all right - officials are calling for unification, but in reality ... it seems that direct orders from the section are being followed: to make Ukraine and Russia separate and not be friends anymore.

    The most recent reason: Russia has announced that it will close the entry for 20 thousand Ukrainians. Naturally, based on some laws, etc. (as if those who come from Asia strictly abide by these laws). Of course, Russia has all the rights to whom it wants to admit and who it does not. But I guarantee you that such PERMANENT assaults do not improve the image of Russia, and when they go on constantly, the background is created anti-Russian. Moreover, it is created by Russia itself. What, in the leadership of the Russian Federation do not understand this? And if they understand, then why do they?
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 21 November 2013 14: 15
      +3
      Quote: Walker1975
      Let the citizens of Russia better tell me: did the Russian government really firmly decide to ensure that friendship between Ukraine and Russia (never to mention a common state) is ever restored?

      Friendship ruined? We are enemies ???
      What is wrong, did the Russian leadership do for Ukraine?

      There is nothing to blame on the mirror ...
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 21 November 2013 15: 12
        -3
        Quote: Corsair
        Friendship ruined? We are enemies ???


        So far, thank God no, I hope so.


        Quote: Corsair
        What is wrong, did the Russian leadership do for Ukraine?


        I wrote: it announced a one-day ban on entry for 20 thousand Ukrainians, and before that it stopped all Ukrainian trucks, and before that it prohibited the import of Ukrainian goods, and before that there was a story with sunk fishermen ... and such news every week. Now tell me, what did the Russian leadership do so?
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 21 November 2013 16: 40
          0
          Quote: Walker1975
          Now tell me, what did the Russian leadership do so?


          The authorities of the Russian Federation warned that every foreign citizen who had been in Russia for more than 120 days without legal grounds could get a ban on entry into the country for a period of three years.


          oh how! those. violate the laws of another state, is the norm for you?
          1. Walker1975
            Walker1975 22 November 2013 01: 50
            +1
            Quote: seller trucks
            oh how! those. violate the laws of another state, is the norm for you?


            Do you believe that yourself? Tajiks do not violate, no one violated before, and suddenly in one day 20 thousand sharply violated ...
    2. Victor-M
      Victor-M 21 November 2013 23: 24
      +3
      Quote: Walker1975
      PERMANENT arrivals do not improve the image of Russia, and when they go on constantly, an anti-Russian background is created

      Whatever Russia does, it will still remain a "scapegoat". Where did you get the idea that Russia should take care of your well-being, whatever your choice of direction of integration? And finally, when any assistance is provided by Russia - Ukraine, in the end, the first one will still be thrown with mud, and even in this case we do not turn our backs on you, because we understand that we are one people, the main thing is that you do not forget this either.
  • So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 21 November 2013 13: 59
    -4
    At the same time, the West hates the East and enjoys full reciprocity. The only thing that stands between them and their hatred is the single president of Ukraine, to whom the high sides simply don't give a damn now. Islamists settled in the Crimea, ready for armed struggle against both the Kiev government and the local Russian population, most of whom have Russian passports.

    Here the author is clearly deliberately exaggerating, I think so either for provocations or specifically for Russian forum users. Without links, this is an empty chatter, I go there and there (west-east), the general everywhere is that Yaneka is nowhere to be perceived. In general, he made fun of it, it’s about what satellite he saw the Islamists with weapons in their hands;
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 21 November 2013 15: 22
      +3
      Quote: So_o_tozh
      In general, he made fun of it, it’s about what satellite he saw the Islamists with weapons in their hands;
      But those living in Crimea are somehow not laughing ... By the way, local media regularly report that the Ministry of Internal Affairs and foresters often find weapons and ammunition in the forests. FRESH bookmarks what
      1. Kars
        Kars 21 November 2013 15: 25
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        that AMD and foresters often find weapons and ammunition in forests. FRESH bookmarks

        You can link over the past six months of the year? Really about this in the news did not say?
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 21 November 2013 15: 50
          +2
          Quote: Kars
          links for the last half of the year year?

          Only one source during the week:
          Mushroom picker found a weapon cache in the forest near Yalta http://kianews.com.ua/news/gribnik-nashel-v-lesu-vozle-yalty-shron-oruzhiya
          Krymchanin faces up to seven years in prison for gunpowder storage http://kianews.com.ua/news/krymchaninu-grozit-do-semi-let-za-reshetkoy-za-hranen
          ie-poroha
          Crimean kept cartridges and a chemical at home http://kianews.com.ua/news/krymchanin-hranil-doma-patrony-i-himicheskoe-veshches
          tvo

          For the rest - about the same, and the news often does not overlap. Tellingly, there are practically no Slavs among those tolerantly called "Crimeans" in the notes ... request
          1. Kars
            Kars 21 November 2013 16: 50
            +1
            Quote: Misantrop
            http://kianews.com.ua/news/gribnik-nashel-v-lesu-vozle-yalty-shron-oruzhiya


            different sized cartridges and a gun in the forest.
            Source: http://kianews.com.ua/news/gribnik-nashel-v-lesu-vozle-yalty-shron-oruzhiya
            When publishing material, a hyperlink to the source is required.

            Oh sting a weapon cache)) a schoolboy hid his mother from his mother.
            Quote: Misantrop
            http://kianews.com.ua/news/krymchaninu-grozit-do-semi-let-za-reshetkoy-za-hranen

            During a search of a 38-year-old man, police found 18 cartridges of 7,62 mm caliber and eight cardboard boxes, inside which were 72 ampoules with unknown substance. XNUMX
            Source: http://kianews.com.ua/news/krymchanin-hranil-doma-patrony-i-himicheskoe-veshches
            tvo
            When publishing material, a hyperlink to the source is required.

            Eighteen cartridges))) do not mix my slippers)))
            Quote: Misantrop
            For the rest - about the same, with the news often not overlapping.

            Yes, you’re an alarmist)))) in Zaporozhye they find more, you can also see the Wahhabis tried))
            From November 10 to 20 in the Zaporozhye region a special operation "Arms. Explosives" took place, the purpose of which was to withdraw firearms and ammunition from illegal circulation. The "catch" of the police turned out to be serious - a machine gun, 4 rifles, 10 pistols and revolvers, about 20 kilograms of explosives, 18 grenades and almost 1000 cartridges, according to the Central Office of the Interior Ministry of the region.

            The confiscated items include a Degtyarev machine gun, used by the Soviet army during the Great Patriotic War, and the famous Mauser K96 pistol, the most popular weapon of the first decades of the XNUMXth century, one of the symbols of the civil war.
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 21 November 2013 15: 50
      +2
      Quote: So_o_tozh
      it’s about what satellite he saw the Islamists with weapons in their hands;


      pan, not trending:

      Crimea becomes a supplier of "cannon fodder" for the war in Syria. In the Crimean mountains, climbing routes are destroyed by their new owners - Islamic militants. The training camps of the “warriors of Islam” operate on the inaccessible Ai-Petri plateau and in the mountain forests of Belogorye. Crimean Muslims at home are taking the course of a young fighter. And then they go to fight on the side of the rebels in Syria ...


      http://za.zubr.in.ua/2013/05/07/20935/

      It should be noted here that it is likely that the people's deputy G. I didn’t have the correct data about the 250 fighters sent to Egypt and then to Syria. Fighters are sent regularly. Probably, one batch of fighters sent to the East is - 250 people. More than 15 thousand people were sent in the general arithmetic calculation - this is exactly the figure voiced by intelligence veteran Colonel Razumovsky. Mogilev and SBU receive money for military operations in the East not for a man / month, but for each military operation. Money comes in millions. Money cannot be transferred to the SBU account, as you understand, because these are not legal operations. They cannot enter the personal accounts of SBU employees either, - an internal security service works in the body, which also wants to eat a lot! For this reason, agreements were signed by people close to Mogilev (these negotiations passed through Turkey) and the money is under the control of Anatoly Mogilev.


      http://3rm.info/39207-smi-podtverzhdayut-informaciyu-o-trenirovochnyh-lageryah-b
      oevikov-v-krymu-sbu-ne-reagiruet.html
  • wow
    wow 21 November 2013 21: 32
    +3
    Full pi ..., I'm sorry mess. THESE and I, who are above, live in parallel worlds. Communication between the inhabitants of these parallels occurs only when IT needs to grab something else from us, for the benefit of our own pockets. So I completely agree with the author. And the sooner this pi ..., I apologize for the mess (Ukraine) will end, the better for all its participants. AMEN !!!
  • mashinist
    mashinist 21 November 2013 22: 59
    +2
    Really such a mess. But the collapse that they write about and doesn’t smell like is not two parties that would tear Ukraine apart, there are only bandits who do not care and nationalists.
  • storm
    storm 21 November 2013 23: 12
    +4
    The author, of course, has exaggerated, but not by much! The attitude of people in the southeast has really changed a lot towards Yanukovych, he loses trust in us and does not find him in the west of Ukraine!
  • Klisha
    Klisha 21 November 2013 23: 52
    +1
    The author is very fantasizing.
    Islamists settled in Crimea, ready for an armed struggle both against the Kiev government and against the local Russian population, most of which have Russian passports.

    The author confuses Crimeans with Ossetians. We do not have Russian passports.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 21 November 2013 23: 56
      +1
      Quote: Klisha
      The author confuses Crimeans with Ossetians. We do not have Russian passports.


      Do not make such hasty conclusions - you can get into a mess.
  • Under
    Under 21 November 2013 07: 28
    -3
    The end of the country is clearly visible, though I do not live in Ukraine, but I live in Russia, and therefore I can judge Russia. The country is plundered, thieves are not at all sitting - they are quietly reassigning themselves to other posts, no less high. The state holds the Olympics (that is, it steals), and ordinary people help the victims of the flood, planes are still falling ... should we judge Ukraine.
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 21 November 2013 07: 52
      18
      Quote: Anded
      and simple people help flood victims, planes are still falling ... should we judge Ukraine.

      ...horror winked
      All that remains for you is to wrap yourself in a white sheet and slowly crawl into the cemetery.))) lol
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 08: 06
        +9
        Quote: Natalia
        All that remains for you is to wrap yourself in a white sheet and slowly crawl into the cemetery.))

        Natasha, why slowly, running, running, running from our plundered country 5 economy in the world laughing
        Hi wink
        1. major071
          major071 21 November 2013 08: 52
          11
          But slowly - so as not to create a panic. laughing
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 22 November 2013 23: 55
            0
            Quote: major071
            And slowly - so as not to create a panic

            A running general causes laughter in peacetime, and panic in wartime.
        2. Natalia
          Natalia 21 November 2013 13: 22
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Natasha, why slowly, running, running, running from our plundered country 5 economy in the world
          Hi

          Hi Sasha. Yeah, but you understand, they started singing here, life in Russia is full G lol and the people in it are actors))))) laughing
      2. Mairos
        Mairos 21 November 2013 10: 05
        +3
        Where does the white sheet come from? The country is plundered and destroyed! To sackcloth!
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 21 November 2013 13: 30
          +1
          Quote: Mairos
          The country is plundered and destroyed! To sackcloth!

          And it was plundered and destroyed, but with all this, you understand and the surrounding "friends" create problems.
          In Russia, if you look no when prosperity and tranquility were not always there was someone stopping us from threatening us, we always overcame heroic difficulties, and lived on ourselves ... and so the trouble after the trouble, one figs we are alive. Now you understand why we can not win.

          PS And at the expense of looted destroyed, from such statements swamps and bulk liberal type smacks ....)))) Fu ... disgusting
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 08: 04
      +5
      Quote: Anded
      therefore I can judge Russia. The country is plundered

      Well, go somewhere, once in Russia everything is so bad.
      1. Under
        Under 21 November 2013 08: 11
        -21 qualifying.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov (1)

        Quote: Natalia
        Natalia (2)

        Russia is not impoverished as holy fools.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 09: 36
          11
          Quote: Anded

          Russia is not impoverished as holy fools.

          But unfortunately, rich in people like you negative
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 21 November 2013 19: 32
            -3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            But unfortunately, rich in people like you

            I would say swamp neighbors ....
            Well, what can I offer, get out of Geyropa, everything will be there ... and under each under the bush there will be a table and a house.
      2. Denis
        Denis 21 November 2013 08: 12
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, go somewhere
        With such thoughts no further than the swamp
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 21 November 2013 08: 30
          +6
          Another all-protector negative
    3. dark_65
      dark_65 21 November 2013 08: 04
      +8
      But the writer is right, we don’t think about our country.
    4. Kirzhak
      Kirzhak 21 November 2013 08: 38
      +8
      The country is plundered

      I recalled the old - the old joke:
      A call to the office of one nationalist party:
      - Tell me, is it true that the Jews looted and sold all of Russia?
      - Of course it's true!
      - Where can I go for my share?
    5. Ulan
      Ulan 21 November 2013 10: 34
      +5
      We do not "judge", we discuss the article and what is happening in Ukraine. It just means that we are not indifferent to what is happening there. I think that this is good. Despite all the efforts of some circles, we continue to remain not strangers to each other.
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 21 November 2013 14: 08
        0
        How do you feel about the articles of all kinds of "liberals" who write that "everything is gone" in Russia? Well, this vyser from the same opera. And you can only treat him like this - in the trash.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 14: 31
          0
          Quote: Walker1975
          What do you think about the articles of all sorts of "liberals" who write that "everything is gone" in Russia?

          How to humor laughing
          1. vanaheym
            vanaheym 21 November 2013 15: 23
            -3
            Well, here we treat these articles as humor with boorish comments
    6. nikolaev
      nikolaev 21 November 2013 11: 43
      +2
      Democracy in conditions of total corruption is a reliable means of creating and bringing to power a totally corrupt bourgeoisie.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 21 November 2013 07: 29
    11
    I especially liked the expression "linguistic perversions". Exactly .
    - How do you think the cat?
    -Kit.
    -How then a whale?
    1. dark_65
      dark_65 21 November 2013 08: 04
      +3
      Everyone read Bulgakov.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 21 November 2013 10: 04
        +4
        Quote: dark_65
        Everyone read Bulgakov

        But unfortunately not everyone delved into it ...
    2. Stanislas
      Stanislas 21 November 2013 15: 26
      +9
      An elderly German sits in a Parisian cafe, drinks coffee, and next to him a company of burnt lads drinks moonshine from under the floor and seizes fat. The German is at a loss:
      - Excuse me, gentlemen, where are you from?
      - Yes, from Ukraine!
      - What is it: Ukraine?
      - Square power, grandfather! We have a coat of arms, anthem, and flag!
      - Where is it?
      - Are you crazy? We have a flag, a coat of arms and a national anthem. You sho Donbass do not know?
      - My father had mines there. But this is Russia!
      - Completely crazy, old one! We have a flag, a coat of arms and a national anthem. Crimea!
      - I am a young man fought in the Crimea with the Russian. But this is also Russia! What language do you have?
      - Ukrainian! Sovereign Mova!
      - And what is "leg" in Ukrainian?
      - Foot, grandfather!
      - And the "hand"?
      - Arm!
      - And the "head"?
      - Head!
      German pribaldel:
      - And the "ass" ?!
      - Sraka!
      - So you, because of one SREKA, invented a coat of arms, anthem and flag?
    3. O_RUS
      O_RUS 1 December 2013 17: 56
      +1
      Quote: Humpty
      -How then a whale?


      hi

      A whale is a “kit”, that is, the camera is equipped with some kind of lens.

      start with Nikon 5100 kit
  • makarov
    makarov 21 November 2013 07: 39
    16
    "..Many of us, those who call ourselves Russian patriots, are now looking at Ukraine ..."

    The author needs to be more accurate and straightforward. It is not necessary to look at Ukraine, but into the shameless thieves' eyes of Yanukovych, and all the oligarchic vertical created by him. And no need to generalize. There are specific people who do not care about the opinion of ordinary citizens, and using unlimited power they sell both interests and land ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 08: 08
      +5
      Quote: makarov
      . It is not necessary to look at Ukraine, but into the shameless thieves' eyes of Yanukovych, and all the oligarchic vertical created by him.

      But was it better under Yushchenko or the rest could not sleep, did they all think about the people?
      Quote: makarov
      And no need to generalize. There are specific people who do not care about the opinion of ordinary citizens,

      Sorry, but who chose these crap on the people, the hour itself is not the people?
      1. Under
        Under 21 November 2013 08: 13
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Sorry, but who chose these crap on the people, the hour itself is not the people?

        Exactly! The people chose a guarantor, he appointed the Minister of Defense, then reassigned. Here you can’t get off with one sorry.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 09: 37
          +1
          Quote: Anded
          Exactly! The people chose a guarantor,

          Have you voted for Prokhorov? Then I understand your dissatisfaction, how is the E **** mobile doing there?
        2. In the book
          In the book 21 November 2013 10: 50
          +1
          Quote: Anded
          Exactly! The people chose a guarantor, he appointed the Minister of Defense, then reassigned. Here you can’t get off with one sorry.

          I'm begging you, what's there
          Quote: Anded
          The people and chose the guarantor

          These gopniks, promising a bunch of "pokrashen" (Ukrainian - improvements), lit the people like suckers.
          More precisely, as one of the Party of Regions said:
          "Appreciate the beauty of the game. We raised them like kittens. I don't know what they will do in the elections."
      2. Very old
        Very old 21 November 2013 08: 18
        +9
        What is the dispute about? We in Russia also know how to "choose" when there is little choice
      3. Walker1975
        Walker1975 21 November 2013 14: 12
        +2
        And who chose the man who appointed Serdyukov as Minister of Defense, and then transferred him to Rostec? You are well aware that elections in our countries are not always objective, to put it mildly, with the right people in the election commissions and the work of the zombie worker.
      4. makarov
        makarov 21 November 2013 15: 26
        +3
        SW Alexander.
        The point is not how one chooses, the point is HOW THINGS BELIEVE !!!
      5. Stanislas
        Stanislas 21 November 2013 16: 09
        +2
        So we can say that the people of Yeltsin chose a couple of times from us ... But, as in the case of Ukraine, this will be a big stretch. Divorced people.
    2. domokl
      domokl 21 November 2013 08: 54
      +3
      Quote: makarov
      It’s not necessary to look at Ukraine, but into the shameless thief’s eyes of Yanukovych,

      And this is true. Only here, on this resource. We often meet supporters of the same Yanukovych, Tymoshenko, and everyone else. A politician cannot advance to the first roles in the state without the support of voters.
      I’ll probably repeat it for the hundredth time — all the troubles of Ukraine are that it doesn’t exist ... There is a territorial entity on which people who are completely different in culture, customs, and everyday life live. They are not bad or good. They are just different.
      The East is populated by immigrants from Russia, or their descendants ... The West, as it happened, is more Polish ... Crimea, I understand that now many Russian Crimeans will be outraged, all the same Tatar. Even despite the small size of this people, it’s the Tatars (if of course the mess will be without external interference) will seize power there ...
      So the conclusion is simple: For Ukraine to take place as a state, it is necessary for Ukrainians to take place as a single people ... And only in this case will things move in the direction that everyone needs.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 21 November 2013 10: 55
        +1
        Tatar Russia will squeeze, there will be no choice.
      2. In the book
        In the book 21 November 2013 10: 56
        +6
        Quote: domokl
        So the conclusion is simple: For Ukraine to take place as a state, it is necessary for Ukrainians to take place as a single people ... And only in this case will things move in the direction that everyone needs.

        I agree with you.
        And at the expense of the EU-TS the same garbage. Why go somewhere country beggar. Make the country self-sufficient and then the EU-TS will ask you to itself.
        But for this, you need to work head for the country, not your own enrichment.
        Yesterday the news flashed on TV:
        "The minimum pension has been increased by 40 hryvnia (about $ 5). This will affect 13 million (!!!!!!!) pensioners."
        That is, 13 million pensioners of the country (29% of the country's population) receive the MINIMUM pension !!!! - about $ 120.
        What can be said about the authorities in this country?
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 21 November 2013 12: 38
          +2
          Quote: Libr
          What can be said about the authorities in this country?

          About "power" some expressions (not printed), but a beggarly pension Yells about the state of affairs in the Ukrainian economy ...
          Now, of course, Ukrainian radicals with a bunch of "minuses" and accusations of Russia in a deplorable state can "run in" CASH country.

          Well, the neighbor is always guilty that the horse fell ... request
          1. In the book
            In the book 21 November 2013 14: 02
            0
            Quote: Corsair
            Now, of course, Ukrainian radicals with a bunch of "minuses" and accusations of Russia in the deplorable state of their country can "run".
            But well, the neighbor is always guilty that the horse fell ...



            I do not consider myself a "Ukrainian radical" smile but for Ukraine Abidna

            I do not blame Russia stop
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop 21 November 2013 16: 40
            +1
            Quote: Corsair
            the neighbor is always guilty that the horse fell ...
            This is nothing. Much worse when the horse is dad ... lol
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 21 November 2013 16: 57
              +2
              Quote: Misantrop
              This is nothing. Much worse when the horse is dad.

              And in a new European way it goes, marrying even a mare, adopt a child ...
              And it will be, PAPA bestiality - a jerk, MOM horse request
      3. Walker1975
        Walker1975 21 November 2013 14: 13
        -1
        Yanukovych has supporters? I have not met - show on occasion?
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 21 November 2013 14: 55
          +3
          Quote: Walker1975
          Yanukovych has supporters? I have not met - show on occasion?

          All you "rozhzhuy" yes "show", do you have eyes?

          Akim Yesterday, 16: 33 ↑
          Quote: Corsair
          You will be somewhat upset by his behavior in the "second term" (if he even lives to see it) ...


          I do not support Yanukovych, but I will vote for Yanukovych because the rest are even worse.


          P \ S:It one, identify the rest yourself ...
          1. Walker1975
            Walker1975 21 November 2013 15: 15
            -1
            Quote: Corsair
            All you "rozhzhuy" yes "show", do you have eyes?


            I have - I have vanishingly few among the familiar supporters of Yanukovych.


            Quote: Corsair
            I do not support Yanukovych, but I will vote for Yanukovych because the rest are even worse.


            And ... and then what is your Russian flag? And about Yanukovych - sorry, but then do not complain later.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 21 November 2013 15: 40
              +1
              Quote: Walker1975
              And ... and then what is your Russian flag? And about Yanukovych - sorry, but then do not complain later.

              Still, something is wrong with your eyes ...
              The difference between: Quote Corsair and Quote Akim

              Well, let's try SO, for SPECIALIZED:
              P \ S:I hope at least SO zrozumіlo?
              Clickable Image:
          2. vanaheym
            vanaheym 21 November 2013 15: 25
            0
            Will you vote directly from Russia for Yanukovych? Once I voted for this lover of the Russian language - enough of him, perhaps, only Mezhyhirya.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 21 November 2013 15: 46
              0
              Quote: vanaheym
              Will you vote directly from Russia for Yanukovych?

              ONE MORE SPECIAL ...
              Why are you brainwashed ... Trouble ...
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        2. In the book
          In the book 21 November 2013 16: 20
          +1
          Is.
          One is Alexander, the other is Victor
          And they still have a lot of friends
      4. makarov
        makarov 21 November 2013 15: 29
        +1
        ".. And this is true. Only even here, on this resource. We often meet supporters of the same Yanukovych, Tymoshenko, and everyone else .."

        And since I am a supporter of only my family, then I am a foreign body for all parties and movements. Will have to take a new name and surname - Cosmopolitan Dissidents.
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 21 November 2013 10: 10
      +3
      Quote: makarov
      It is not necessary to look at Ukraine, but into the shameless thieves' eyes of Yanukovych, and all the oligarchic vertical created by him.

      Yes, nothing NEW Yanukovych invented and did not create. He only unceremoniously "sharpened for himself" and his clan created before him.
      Hochma, found a "creator" in the person of Yanukovych ...
    4. Corsair
      Corsair 21 November 2013 10: 10
      0
      Quote: makarov
      It is not necessary to look at Ukraine, but into the shameless thieves' eyes of Yanukovych, and all the oligarchic vertical created by him.

      Yes, nothing NEW Yanukovych invented and did not create. He only unceremoniously "sharpened for himself" and his clan created before him.
      Hochma, found a "creator" in the person of Yanukovych ...
  • Hleb
    Hleb 21 November 2013 07: 51
    15
    the video is not fresh, but recently saw it is wonderful!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 08: 16
      +6
      Quote: Gleb
      the video is not fresh, but recently saw it is wonderful!

      Gleb, yes Rafik finally resting, video rzhach full wassat wassat wassat
    2. denisey
      denisey 21 November 2013 08: 27
      +7
      This will go into the anal of Ukrainian television !!!! good good good
    3. 311ove
      311ove 21 November 2013 08: 33
      +2
      Well, what is the attitude to their own people, so that such people in the news "vtulyat" .... Our Russian storytellers are somehow "more modest" belay lol request But most importantly, bureaucratic logic in clear text, once appointed, then a professional to the bone ... negative
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 21 November 2013 08: 46
        +2
        yes no .. he’s a big original and witty tip. he’s trolling this whole corruption system. in the end, and the host finally moved in
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 09: 41
          +1
          Quote: Gleb
          .on he trolls all this corruption system

          Well, did he lie laughing
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 09: 40
        +1
        Quote: 311ove
        But most importantly, bureaucratic logic in clear text, once appointed, then a professional to the bone ...

        If you finished watching this, then in vain, further along the "freedom" Lutsenko with a machine gun, like the terminator had to seize the airport (alone) and hold it reflecting the attacks of the Bundeswehr and the police until the arrival of special forces from Ukraine laughing
    4. sashka
      sashka 21 November 2013 08: 48
      +2
      [quote = Gleb] the video is not fresh, but recently saw it is wonderful!

      Really wonderful .. Do they even talk to Russia like that? Explaining to us about gas, what do they do - aki .. I rzhu under the table. Now I’m downloading, adding to the collection. Today is my birthday. I will show guests .. Even vodka is not necessary. Themselves under the table will lie ..
      1. sergey32
        sergey32 21 November 2013 09: 12
        +2
        Heartiest congratulations! My second daughter is also 16 today.
        1. sashka
          sashka 21 November 2013 10: 15
          +2
          Quote: sergey32
          Heartiest congratulations!

          I'm not happy. I will not live to a living wage .. Although it may be normal in the "opinion" of the "authorities" Policy of survival, but not limiting myself, I have millet and buckwheat .. Life is beautiful, Glory to Pu and of course LADIES ..
          1. sergey32
            sergey32 21 November 2013 10: 33
            +1
            Not so bad. My wife has a grandmother, she has something around 90, I know her for more than 20 years, every year she says, well, this winter I will not winter. I have already wintered many. Long all the years!
        2. sashka
          sashka 21 November 2013 10: 46
          +3
          Quote: sergey32
          My second daughter is also 16 today.

          But I am 51 and it makes me happy. It is impossible to watch and listen to this nonsense .. From the "government" of course, I congratulate your daughter. Happy Birthday. How to present a gift here I don’t know .. Maybe just hello? It will not be enough. I wish you happiness
      2. Hleb
        Hleb 21 November 2013 14: 33
        0
        I personally don’t like the birthday party. It’s sad for some reason. But I sincerely wish you health! It just reminds you on this day
    5. Kiliny
      Kiliny 21 November 2013 09: 17
      +3
      5+ video you can subscribe!
    6. chehywed
      chehywed 21 November 2013 09: 29
      +2
      Well done man! He pleaded in full and at the same time never even smiled! good
    7. Kirzhak
      Kirzhak 21 November 2013 09: 37
      +3
      Peerless video good good good
      As Herra Lutsenko presented on the airport roof with a six-barreled machine gun - he fell under the table! laughing
    8. shark
      shark 21 November 2013 12: 00
      +2
      I cried .... still can not calm down.
    9. Cotras
      Cotras 21 November 2013 16: 19
      0
      This guy isn’t enough in the Russian State Duma, or they’ve already got it, to give out his stupidity for laws!
      No one to touch them.
      And Ukrainians, good luck, and as my friend used to say, "everything is bullshit except bees, and bees are also bullshit."
    10. Korben
      Korben 22 November 2013 11: 29
      0
      He obviously ran away from the fool!
  • shitovmg
    shitovmg 21 November 2013 08: 01
    -1
    There are problems and there are many of them! But by and large, the wind is driven by zhurnalyugi. Do not rush to extremes. And if the presidents meet, then there is a discussion of problems and a search for ways to solve them. I served in (in) Ukraine, in Kiev three classmates live. They are different in nationality, but everyone considers themselves Russian!
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 21 November 2013 09: 01
      0
      And if the presidents meet, then there is a discussion of problems and a search for ways to solve them.

      Here, most likely, Yanyk runs scalded and reminds of brotherhood. The worthless in the 15th years of the election. Under Akhmetov, energy has already been cleaned up. East of the political yes. The pro-Russian south remained. We look at Odessa.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 21 November 2013 10: 24
        +1
        Quote: leon-iv
        Under Akhmetov, energy has already been cleaned up.

        DTEK (Donbass Fuel and Energy Company) is the largest privately owned vertically integrated energy company in Ukraine. Synergy of coal mining, energy generating and distribution enterprises.

        In short,EVERYTHING under myself "crushed" ...
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 21 November 2013 10: 34
          +2
          he and sales crushed. There they generally have. Solar dates from the traditional.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 21 November 2013 11: 41
            0
            Quote: leon-iv
            he and sales crushed.

            Quote: Corsair
            power generating and distribution enterprises.

            Distribution and there is SALES ...
      2. Cristall
        Cristall 21 November 2013 11: 54
        -2
        And what about Odessa? Everything is relatively normal in Odessa. We live, work, read "horror films" from VO and other resources. We are "horrified" and work again, rest and make plans. Yes, the government-clowns, all sorts of Tyagnibok gangsters Markov goats Farion-in short, the local zoo of the Supreme KhZrada-got it, but he's in Kiev. They are strange there. They can't think of a damn thing for themselves.
        That’s strange — why do Russians always divide us? Yes, we have problems and everything is not going smoothly. But why??? What do you have nothing to do?
        I was in Lviv, I was in the Crimea - there is nothing to divide us, the same people.
        Tired of writing about it, like Akim.
        Articles about the collapse of Ukraine - burn in the flames of history.
        1. Walker1975
          Walker1975 21 November 2013 14: 18
          0
          If the article "Everything is bad in Russia" - it will receive guaranteed minuses, and if the article "Everything is bad in Ukraine" is published here - there will be pluses, and in the comments more pluses will be received by the one who writes that Ukraine will fall apart ... well, right from Monday ... there will be a default (by the way, Russia also defaulted, but it did not fall apart from this), Ukraine is not a state and can only be with Russia ... Why such a perverse pleasure from kicking a neighbor?
        2. sashka
          sashka 21 November 2013 17: 27
          0
          Quote: Cristall
          I was in Lviv, I was in the Crimea - there is nothing to divide us, the same people.

          Judging by the profile picture, are you already Ukrainian or Ukrainian? or a geyropist?
        3. sashka
          sashka 21 November 2013 17: 27
          +1
          Quote: Cristall
          I was in Lviv, I was in the Crimea - there is nothing to divide us, the same people.

          Judging by the profile picture, are you already Ukrainian or Ukrainian? or a geyropist?
        4. sashka
          sashka 21 November 2013 17: 35
          0
          Quote: Cristall
          Tired of writing about it, like Akim.

          Akim is also a geyropist? Yes, he doesn’t sound like a little knock on your head .. Although hell is not joking ...
          1. Akim
            Akim 21 November 2013 20: 20
            +1
            Quote: Sasha
            Akim is also a geyropist?

            No, I'm one of those 10% who do not want to join either the EU or the CU. By the way, Crystal is also (in any case, I got this opinion).
            But today's government decree to suspend the signing of an association agreement, I take it as an insult. As an athlete, we approached the bar and grabbed the bar, not even straining the muscles. If you see that you can’t, why disgrace before the jury? It's like a runaway groom from a wedding. Do not marry, say right away, and do not prepare a wedding.
            It’s not manly.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 21 November 2013 21: 22
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              It’s not manly.

              Moreover, not according to the STATE.
              The whole process of "state development" is characterized by the absence of global, strategic state thinking.
              Moreover, all, without exception, Ukrainian governments and presidents.
              Not a single development program has been finalized, then the West is in the way, then Russia, but in the end it turns out OWN EGGS.
            2. sashka
              sashka 27 November 2013 14: 02
              0
              Quote: Akim
              Quote: Sasha
              Akim is also a geyropist?

              No, I'm one of those 10% who do not want to join either the EU or the CU. By the way, Crystal is also (in any case, I got this opinion).
              But today's government decree to suspend the signing of an association agreement, I take it as an insult. As an athlete, we approached the bar and grabbed the bar, not even straining the muscles. If you see that you can’t, why disgrace before the jury? It's like a runaway groom from a wedding. Do not marry, say right away, and do not prepare a wedding.
              It’s not manly.

              MAYBE I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE ABLE
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 21 November 2013 08: 10
    +3
    from the Don.
    Across Ukraine: we’ll wait and see! And the video pleased. I burst with pleasure Thank you!
  • Per se.
    Per se. 21 November 2013 08: 29
    +6
    If we say that "Ukraine. End.", It should be added, "Little Russia. Beginning." Fraternal peoples are Serbs, Bulgarians, Slovaks, and Great (Big) Russia, Little Russia and White Russia are one Russian people. All these hoes that stand with posters "Get out of Moscow's occupants! Get out of Moscow lackeys!" Somehow confused that the occupiers on Russian soil were Austro-Hungarian and Polish-Lithuanian invaders, and they themselves, genetically modified organisms, do not remember kinship. We should have forgotten the word "Ukraine" long ago, it is not a suburb, but the root center of the Russian land, with its historical heart in Kiev. You can't give up Little Russia, it's our Russian people, and if everything is so tragic, we must demand a general referendum on our lands, if it's too late - Anschluss, the introduction of Russian troops.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 21 November 2013 08: 46
    +2
    The author outlined situevina, in principle, true, Ukraine cannot be broken up, and there can’t do without a lot of blood. Crimea, how will they be divided? What will we give to the Turks, or will we get involved in a batch? How the rest will be divided. as in Slovakia with the Czechs I think it will not work. And honestly I'm not at all happy with this situation. Left just a little bit. Let's wait.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 21 November 2013 09: 00
      +1
      Crimea, how will they be divided?

      BDK and MP to help you.
      What will we give to the Turks, or will we get involved in a batch?

      Look what kind of Turks they are not doing at all.
      How the rest will be divided. as in Slovakia with the Czechs I think it will not work. And honestly I'm not at all happy with this situation. Left just a little bit. Let's wait.

      Divide into regions and introduce management. And if there is a khaz on pidyat then the support of the people is provided (joke)
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 21 November 2013 11: 44
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      Crimea, how will they be divided?

      Are we ready to share it with someone ???
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 21 November 2013 11: 50
        -7
        So, under the agreement, Crimea departs to Turkey if Ukraine breaks up.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 21 November 2013 13: 13
          +5
          Quote: ed65b
          So, under the agreement, Crimea departs to Turkey if Ukraine breaks up.
          Come on, remind me under WHAT agreement, WHICH and WHEN concluded ...
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 21 November 2013 13: 35
            -3
            Quote: Corsair
            Quote: ed65b
            So, under the agreement, Crimea departs to Turkey if Ukraine breaks up.
            Come on, remind me under WHAT agreement, WHICH and WHEN concluded ...

            On May 10, 1774, the Kuchuk-Kainadzhir peace treaty was concluded between Russia and Turkey WITHOUT PARTICIPATION of a THIRD PARTY (as well as all other international documents on Crimea over the previous 200 years), it becomes quite obvious (and legally feasible) - an awakening in the near future the future of territorial claims on the Crimea - in Turkey. For the completely new THIRD PARTY - Ukraine - which now “lay” the Crimea - has nothing to do with the aforementioned agreement (on the ownership of Crimea) (in 1774, “Ukraine” simply did not exist as such).

            enough?
            in 1954, they claimed Turkey’s indignant transfer of Crimea to Ukraine, said that the Ukrainian SSR is one of the republics of the Soviet Union, which in turn is a state derived from Russia.

            So the grandmother said in two. how will it turn around. then there was the USSR and Turkey only had the power to grind its teeth, but now? converge Crimean Tatars in the fray and declare independence of Crimea?
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 21 November 2013 13: 58
              0
              One of the most controversial issues in determining the status of Crimea is the role of Turkey, whose peninsula was a vassal territory up to 1772 (confirmed by the peaceful Kuchuk-Kainardzhi Treaty of 1774). In 1783, Crimea was unilaterally included in the Russian Empire, which was confirmed by the Ottoman Empire in 1791 in accordance with the Iasi Peace Treaty. After the collapse of the USSR, a number of Russian politicians, publicists, journalists and writers (for example, V.V. Zhirinovsky, V.K. Mordashov, I. Bogatko, L. Grach and others) suggested the special mission of Turkey in determining the status of Crimea, consisting in the fact that as a result of the Russian-Turkish negotiations of the second half of the XVIII, a bilateral agreement was reached, according to which the Crimean peninsula, as well as the lands of Taman and Kuban, can be either Turkish or Russian. Thus, after the collapse of the USSR, the territory of Crimea, which came under the jurisdiction of a third party - Ukraine, can be returned to Turkey as the successor and copyright holder of the Ottoman Empire.
              These assumptions have no legal confirmation, perhaps we are dealing with a planned information expansion. As a rule, their authors refer to the texts of the Kuchuk-Kainardzhi peace treaty of 1774, according to which the Crimean Khanate receives full political independence from the Ottoman Empire, however, it preserves spiritual nourishment from the Sultan-Caliph. According to the 1791 Peace Treaty, the Ottoman Empire recognizes the annexation of Crimea to Russia, which took place according to the 8 Manifesto of April 1783, which means that the clauses on the independence of the Crimean Khanate of the Kyuchuk-Kainardzhi peace become invalid with the consent of both parties.
              Fundamental changes in the relations of the successors of the Russian and Ottoman empires - the RSFSR (then the USSR) and the Republic of Turkey are the result of a number of agreements reached after the First World War. According to the Moscow and Kara agreements of 1921, the parties recognized the territorial integrity of each other and canceled all agreements that were concluded between the governments of the countries earlier. So the reference to any Russian-Turkish agreements before 1921 has no legal force. In addition, in 1924 in Turkey, the institution of the caliphate was liquidated, as a result of which the Muslim peoples of Crimea were completely freed from the influence of Istanbul.
              Since 1921 between the USSR (RF) and Turkey, not a single agreement has been concluded regarding the status of Crimea. In 1942 there were attempts to conclude agreements between Germany and Turkey on joint control over the creation of an autonomous state formation in Crimea (along with the Caucasus), however, and for obvious reasons they cannot play the role of a valid legal agreement.
              Quote: ed65b
              enough?
            2. Kars
              Kars 21 November 2013 14: 01
              +1
              Quote: ed65b
              enough?
              in 1954, Turkey claims a disturbed transfer



              Is it possible to quote to the source of the Turkish indignation? It is possible in Turkish. This should be registered, as the answer can be in Russian.
              Quote: ed65b
              at Russia and Turkey

              By the way, there were no such countries in 1774.
          2. Walker1975
            Walker1975 21 November 2013 14: 23
            +1
            Yes, let's also remember the treaty between Spain and Portugal of the 17th century, where half of the world belonged to the Spaniards and half to the Portuguese. And there are also many other different treaties ... You can even get to the point of absurdity if the Mongols find in some archives a "label for reign" and annul it and demand the return of the territory.

            BUT, as far as I remember, the documents fixing the countries within their current borders have long been signed.
            1. ed65b
              ed65b 21 November 2013 14: 42
              +3
              let's see Kars how you will sing when the Crimean Tatars on the Mejlis announce the sovereignty of Crimea. There are enough wahs there now to arrange a second one in Kosovo with all the consequences, and the jihadists will help them in this. In principle, they don’t care who to announce, then you’ll not only speak Turkish but also dance the belly dance
              1. Kars
                Kars 21 November 2013 14: 47
                +2
                Quote: ed65b
                let's see Kars how you sing when the Crimean Tatars on the Mejlis announce the sovereignty of Crimea

                Are you just waiting for this?
                Quote: ed65b
                There are enough vakhov there to arrange a second Kosovo with all the consequences,

                How many are there? Once you write, you should know.

                and they won’t arrange anything, there’s no weapon, there’s not enough space. A peninsula. There is no land border with the Islamic country, so there is no particular reason for vahs. There are no such sentiments either. We have a plant in Dzhankoy, people work from all over Crimea.

                And as I understand it, there will be no links to the Turkish note of protest on the transfer of Crimea? What's wrong? Secret?
                1. ed65b
                  ed65b 21 November 2013 15: 21
                  0
                  with a note you can search. I'm not interested in it. Where does infa come from? I've heard that there are camps for training militants. little space? you ask the partisans who fought with nemchura during the Second World War. And as for your "army" in general, you can not talk. With whom will you fight the Crimea under the Ukrainian boot from the Tatars?
            2. Misantrop
              Misantrop 21 November 2013 14: 49
              +3
              Quote: Walker1975
              as far as I remember, documents have long been signed
              Nobody cares about documents from a high hill. On the basis of what "documents" did they smash Yugoslavia to shreds, invaded Iraq, Libya, were they going to do the same with Syria? They look ONLY at the interests of countries and their ability to ensure these interests. Therefore, usually only a REASON is required, at least slightly covered by references to any papers. And then propaganda is already connected. For this and the existing one, so that holes and non-frailties in documents are covered up
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 21 November 2013 15: 15
                +3
                Quote: Misantrop
                Everyone doesn’t give a damn about documents.

                I fully support your post.

                Respect the power ..
                Only SUCH "document and argument" means:
              2. Walker1975
                Walker1975 21 November 2013 15: 22
                +1
                Well then, all the more, what does the 1774 treaty of the year mean, according to which the Crimea can supposedly go over to Turkey?
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 21 November 2013 15: 27
                  +2
                  Quote: Walker1975
                  Well then, all the more, what does the 1774 treaty of the year mean, according to which the Crimea can supposedly go over to Turkey?

                  Well, are you so lazy?
                  Is it mental?
                  Take the trouble to go through the comments and find my "Today, 13: 58"THERE EVERYTHING IS DETAILED.
                2. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 21 November 2013 15: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: Walker1975
                  what does the treaty of 1774, by which supposedly Crimea can go to Turkey?

                  Despite the fact that it is quite suitable to give the VISIBILITY of the legality of a military invasion operation. Moreover, the Turkish troops are likely to go only in the form of a screen. And then it will be too late to clap a mitt, complaints from the other world will not be accepted request
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 21 November 2013 15: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: Misantrop
                    Despite the fact that it is quite suitable to give the VISIBILITY of the legality of the operation

                    I do not continue to surprise you))) but you can continue to laugh.
                    they’ll seek out any agreements)) when it is necessary to shoot at a Russian base and the Russian Federation will send troops like Hitler to Poland.)) or kill a couple of dozen Tatars and arrange .. genocide ..))) and you are a treaty of a non-existent country, when the United States was colony)))

                    Quote: Misantrop
                    Moreover, the Turkish troops are likely to go only in the form of a screen.

                    In the ford? Or with a dozen landing boats? While it is not possible to hide the concentration of the group. And graters for the contract will give Ukraine at least a couple of years to prepare for the invasion)))

                    don’t scare, you are a shortsighted person besides the submarine)
                    1. Misantrop
                      Misantrop 21 November 2013 16: 17
                      +2
                      Quote: Kars
                      they’ll seek out any agreements)) when you can shoot at a Russian base and the Russian Federation will send troops like Hitler to Poland.)) or kill a couple of dozen Tatars .. genocide ..)))

                      You can easily. It is even simpler not to shoot at anyone at all, it is enough to ANNOUNCEL about it LOUDLY (the chemical weapons that caused the invasion have not been found in Iraq so far). But this is a reason for a different level, depending only on the "political weight" of the proponent. On the other hand, shaking the old "agreement" you can loudly shout about "return to age-old foundations", "restoration of historical justice", etc., depending on your own imagination. And ANY of the local "political players", regardless of their political and military "weight", can easily "ignite this fire". The same Crimean Tatar Mejlis. And the rest will get involved ...
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 21 November 2013 16: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        (chemical weapons causing invasion not found in Iraq BEFORE

                        By the way, they got me off with the same statement - they all the same found, but found a little.)))
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        atoms, shaking the decrepit "agreement", you can loudly shout about the "return to age-old foundations",

                        Not allowed


                        Corsair
                        Fundamental changes in the relations of the successors of the Russian and Ottoman empires - the RSFSR (then the USSR) and the Republic of Turkey are the result of a number of agreements reached after the First World War. According to the Moscow and Kara agreements of 1921, the parties recognized the territorial integrity of each other and canceled all agreements that were concluded between the governments of the countries earlier. So the reference to any Russian-Turkish agreements before 1921 has no legal force. In addition, in 1924 in Turkey, the institution of the caliphate was liquidated, as a result of which the Muslim peoples of Crimea were completely freed from the influence of Istanbul.
                        Since 1921, not a single treaty has been concluded between the USSR (RF) and Turkey regarding the status of Crimea. In 1942, there were attempts to conclude agreements between Germany and Turkey on joint control over the creation of an autonomous
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        The same Crimean Tatar Majlis. And the rest will get involved ...

                        It’s strange why they’ve been dragging for 20 years? I can’t manage the Turks with their Kurds,)) this is only in your fanzia to everyone from the NATO to the Chinese without the Crimean Neumets. Even the Russian Federation keeps the base there only out of pride - like an empire and has foreign military bases.
                      2. ed65b
                        ed65b 21 November 2013 17: 30
                        +4
                        Turks will enter after the appeal of the Crimean Tatars for help. And they will definitely turn. and before that they will declare independence and begin guerrilla warfare, or maybe an open rebellion following the example of Chechnya. Only Russia had the funds and the strength to hammer a nail into the lid of the coffin of Chechen separatism, but you don’t have a nail and a hammer.
                      3. Kars
                        Kars 21 November 2013 17: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: ed65b
                        Turks will enter after the appeal of the Crimean Tatars for help

                        Yes, of course. Wade?
                        Quote: ed65b
                        And they will definitely turn. and before that they will declare independence and begin guerrilla warfare

                        How many years will it take? And partisanism in the Crimea? With modern technology? do not make me laugh))
                        Quote: ed65b
                        or maybe an open rebellion following the example of Chechnya.

                        There was no open uprising in Chechnya,
                        Quote: ed65b
                        Only Russia had the means and strength to hammer a nail into the lid of the coffin of Chechen separatism

                        Pray that you have enough money to pay tribute to rat tsar Kadyrov, they hammered a nail))) Almost every day the special services of the militants shoot)))
                        Quote: ed65b
                        but you don’t have a nail and a hammer.
                        You never said the number of Tatars? Nor their percentage of the total population?
                        as there is no reference to the protest of Turkey in 1954.
                        The Russian Federation has been preparing for war with Georgia for more than a year, and then everything was almost about medium, and then the landing operation through the Sea, and without UN sanction)))
  • major071
    major071 21 November 2013 09: 00
    +8
    Yes, it is really painful for me, who lives in Russia, to read how beautiful, cheerful, singing (you can write a bunch of epithets here), the country Ukraine turns into do not understand that, thanks to its leadership. Yanukovych looks like forgive me ... my God, everything is rushing about, and he wants to please ours and yours, but he himself is probably preparing a reserve airfield somewhere in Miami.
    Russia with you brothers Slavs! soldier
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 21 November 2013 09: 04
    +3
    And yes, how can one work with a similar authority
    Farion wants to "flush into the sewer" Kharkov scientists

    The MP accused KhAI of humiliating the Ukrainian language

    NAU “KhAI” has become the next target of attacks by the scandalous people's deputy from VO “Liberty” Irina Farion. In her online blog, the politician issued a statement stating that the Ukrainian language is publicly humiliated in a Kharkiv university.

    According to Farion, first-year students of the aircraft engineering faculty of the KhAI turned to her with a complaint about Dean Vitaliy Kobrin, who allegedly did not form separate Ukrainian-speaking groups for each specialty. "The requirement of students deserves respect and signals the birth of a new Ukrainian generation, in contrast to the mentally retarded "scoop" who dug in this university with a claim to science ", - said Farion. In response from the teacher of the Department of Aircraft Production Technologies, they heard that “Kharkov is Russian territory, so go to Lviv and command there,” the People's Deputy writes. Referring to students, she also cites the opinion of Rector Vladimir Krivtsov: “You need to study aviation and astronautics only in English and Russian, but to study in Ukrainian is complete idiocy.” With a deputy’s request to conduct an audit, Farion turned to the prosecutor general. “It would be desirable not to send such offspring into space, but to lower it into the sewers, as the last garbage of the time,” said Farion.

    This is only a methane bioreactor.
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 21 November 2013 09: 16
    +1
    Well then. Better a nightmare end than a nightmare without end.
  • tomket
    tomket 21 November 2013 09: 22
    +5
    It is not necessary once again to save the fraternal people from the impending danger, shouting "they will go to NATA and Europe !!!" it is necessary to give a substantiation to this pseudo-state in full program. What would they have in their memory for another 300 years, how is it to live without Russia. Saving Ukraine once again, we actually get absolutely nothing in the long term. Since this form of power must be eliminated, preferably by the hands of the Ukrainians themselves. Ukrainians, on the other hand, need to realize that it is necessary to endure a terrible end once, rather than constantly endure endless horror. By the way, this also applies to our country if our GDP does not wake up in the near future from an enchanted liberal dream.
    1. Grbear
      Grbear 21 November 2013 13: 06
      +1
      It is said roughly, but "you cannot erase the words from the song." And the GDP is not asleep, the oligarchs are "not catching up".
  • Clegg
    Clegg 21 November 2013 09: 31
    +1
    Looking at the arguments of this author, I want to say that I can write exactly the same article with the title "Russia. End" wink
  • uizik
    uizik 21 November 2013 09: 40
    +1
    While we observe, wait, draw conclusions. Tired of uncertainty!
  • The gentleman
    The gentleman 21 November 2013 09: 56
    +1
    regarding the section, the answer was already a long time ago, last year, when the division between the west and the east was repeatedly declared. Yanukovych’s hysteria is understandable, on the one hand, I also want to cut a piece of cheese from Russia, on the other hand, to be independent, hence the friendship with the EU. inside the country, a huge number of politicians are wrecked - Klitschko’s super mega brain (although he would argue. so many blows to the head ...), football player Shevchenko, all kinds of Femen movement, etc. Tymoshenko is positioned as a victim of the regime. Yanukovych simply does not know what to do ... and interesting events will begin closer to NG and continue. there have already been color revolutions, they continue. and finding those who come to the rallies will be very easy ...
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 21 November 2013 10: 04
    +1
    Ukrainians must figure out who is who. And legally establish power that would express the interests of the majority. Extremist slogans should not be here. They only destabilize the country, painfully hit ordinary people. Independent life is difficult. The stronger this independence will be in the future.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 21 November 2013 10: 36
      +6
      Pushkov: EU is already treating Ukraine as a semi-colony
      The EU exerts “monstrous pressure” on Ukraine by issuing ultimatums, said Alexei Pushkov, head of the State Duma’s international affairs committee.
      more here

      http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/11/21/660601.html
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 21 November 2013 14: 25
        -3
        Excuse me, but Russia does not exert pressure? But the Russians do not write that Ukraine is an under-state? So what is better in Russia?
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 21 November 2013 10: 44
    0
    Somehow everything is symptomatic, just some kind of curse hangs over Russia, and in most other countries of the former USSR, and the USSR itself and the Russian Empire, for one talented person in power, the country then pays for decades of stupid balabols or outright traitors. ... Andropov was the last sensible leader for us and Ukraine, it’s a pity that it’s not for long, but he could, like Deng Xiaoping later in China, successfully reform the USSR, then it began: Gorbachev, the alcoholic Yeltsin, horror 90- x and smoothly we came to 2013 when Yanukovych, bought by the West, is in power in Ukraine, in Russia a balabol KGB officer (strange, I thought there were serious uncles, but it turns out like in a yard market), how long the "parade of idiots" will last, I don't know, but sooner or later there will be a holiday on our street.
    1. Grbear
      Grbear 21 November 2013 13: 12
      +1
      What, to the devil, curse. "Good" neighbors, and not only, help any nit, just to annoy Russia. Neighbors are not chosen, we will "educate".
  • I am a Russian
    I am a Russian 21 November 2013 10: 44
    +4
    In Ukraine, everything goes as it should. The country is developing citizens are getting richer.

    in the near future Ukraine plans to enrich as much as 4 billion hryvnia.
    The Ministry of Revenue and Duties of Ukraine has launched a lawsuit in the United States and Switzerland to protect the interests of the state of Ukraine in the theft of $ 200 million, the misappropriation of which is suspected by a group of individuals, including Ukrainian ex-prime ministers Yulia Tymoshenko and Pavel Lazarenko.
    "Interfax-Ukraine"
    1. gorku68
      gorku68 21 November 2013 11: 24
      +2
      Sarcasm. To Ukraine and its people need to steal more rich ...
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 21 November 2013 10: 59
    +1
    Well, let it fall apart, the main thing is to be quiet. And the fact that for the Russian Federation it will be expensive, we can handle it, especially since Galicia can be not taken, let them be shown to the class.
    1. sasska
      sasska 21 November 2013 11: 59
      +2
      it will fall apart, but it’s a pity for ordinary people - it’s they who sorrow.
      On the territory of our state, with the support and direct participation of the US Embassy, ​​the TechCamp project is being implemented, within the framework of which preparations are being made to incite a civil war in Ukraine.

  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 21 November 2013 11: 08
    +4
    They are gloating that Russia has finally recognized its true place in Asia.
    And what Asia, which has a history from which the Bible was born, is worse than the world cesspool of Europe, which throughout its history either unleashed or provoked wars. If civilizations were born on the territory of Asia and later passed into a new quality, then with the help of Europe civilizations were simply destroyed. Civilization of the Aztecs. and the Incas, thanks to the "civilized" Europe, ceased to exist, Again, 2 world wars gave birth to Europe. Yes, and wars in the name of faith (that is, the crusades) were born there. And given European tolerance, it has long been not the face of the continent Eurasia, rather this is the western part of the horse with its head facing East.
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 21 November 2013 11: 13
    +5
    The situation in Ukraine is really quite strange and ambiguous. Having announced the intention to sign the association, Yanukovych and his team now seemed to hesitate and slow down, but so far nothing is clear, it could just be a tactical move, it could all change again. As I understand it, Yanukovych is unpredictable in his actions. One thing is clear: the signing of associate membership in the European Union, which is essentially a method of hidden colonization, will end for the Ukrainian economy, which is built on the expensive Soviet type, tragically, it will be destroyed, and many people will be left without work. and because of the zeroing of customs tariffs, which is fraught with the termination of the payment of salaries to state employees and pensions, the funds of which cannot cope with these payments anyway. This can cause a social explosion. How the situation will develop further, it’s difficult to predict, all sorts of options are possible. Personally, I have been wary - to make any forecasts.
  • gorku68
    gorku68 21 November 2013 11: 16
    +2
    I think there will be no "end". Not so soon, the barrage over the abyss will continue. And it is not known which is worse ...
    1. O_RUS
      O_RUS 21 November 2013 11: 59
      +2
      Quote: gorku68
      I think there will be no "end".


      you’re probably right ... Ukraine copes best with the task of destabilizing relations between the Slavs.
      1. vikov
        vikov 21 November 2013 12: 04
        0
        Ukraine destabilizes relations between Russia and Belarus? turn on the brain.
  • olviko
    olviko 21 November 2013 11: 21
    +3
    "Association with the EU, and to put it bluntly, the sacrifice of Ukraine and its people on the altar of the European economy, will give Yanukovych support from Europe."

    Controversial statement. If Yulia leaves as a result of the association, then Yanukovych will sit down, and he understands this. Judging by the throwing towards the Kremlin, the Yanukovych clan is clearly not ready to sign an association with the EU on the most severe and humiliating conditions of the complete and unconditional surrender of Ukraine. Ukraine, there is absolutely nothing but requisitions, slavery and servility to Poland, which in turn is slaves in Germany, and Germany in the United States, and the United States in the tender feet of the Fed. Here's a food chain. The decay and division of Ukraine is beneficial to everyone. It is possible that the collapse is inevitable, there simply are no forces that would like to stop it. Ukraine is no longer a single state, either economically, politically, or linguistically, or culturally.
  • shark
    shark 21 November 2013 12: 00
    +1
    The author is very thickened. There are of course contradictions between the West and the East. But I’m sure that the riot, the more collapse will not come.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 21 November 2013 12: 10
      +3
      Quote: shark
      There is of course a contradiction between the west and the east. But I am sure that it will not reach a riot, much less a collapse.


      "A spark will kindle a flame" - from the poem "Strings of prophetic fiery sounds" (1828, published in 1857) by the exiled poet-Decembrist Alexander Ivanovich Odoevsky (1802-1839).

      Quote: shark
      Ukraine is quite a what happened state.


      Precisely HAPPENING ...

      Here are just a hitch, a definition of these things from the word CASE or CASE?
      1. shark
        shark 21 November 2013 14: 36
        +1
        is the concept of "casual mating" suitable?)))
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 21 November 2013 15: 21
          +1
          Quote: shark
          is the concept of "casual mating" suitable?)))

          It is quite good
    2. In the book
      In the book 21 November 2013 12: 45
      +2
      Quote: shark
      But with power they are not lucky ...

      Not the word "unlucky".
      And there is no one to blame, they themselves are to blame.

      I recalled an old parable:
      People come to the Almighty and complain:
      “Oh, God, why did you give us such bad lands: deserts like the Arabs and Jews, the tundra like the Eskimos, and you gave the fertile black earth to the Ukrainians.” How did we anger you?
      “Do not worry, but they will never have smart rulers.”
      smile
  • vikov
    vikov 21 November 2013 12: 02
    -2
    it is necessary to demand a general referendum on our lands, if it is too late - anschluss, the introduction of Russian troops. [/ quote]

    Russian? Is it again that the Tatars will hide? stop
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 21 November 2013 17: 34
      +1
      [quote = vikov] it is necessary to demand a general referendum on our lands, if it is too late - anschluss, the entry of Russian troops. [/ quote]

      Russian? Is it again that the Tatars will hide? stop[/ Quote]
      No, we will send Chechens. They have experience in pacifying Georgia.
      1. Kars
        Kars 21 November 2013 17: 40
        +1
        Quote: ed65b
        No, we will send Chechens. They have experience in pacifying Georgia.

        It’s already weak by yourself? And what can I say after that? It’s immediately obvious that it is time to set up minefields and apply for NATO membership. Nobody is going to come from there.)))
      2. Korben
        Korben 22 November 2013 11: 46
        0
        Found something to be proud of!
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 21 November 2013 12: 11
    +4
    in the end, everyone will get what he wanted. what is worthy of. (not my words. It seems I read in one of the hadiths of the Prophet Muhammad. God bless him.)
  • alex13-61
    alex13-61 21 November 2013 12: 29
    +2
    Quote: Sour
    . If anything, Italy has an average pension of 1000 euros.

    But you still need to live up to it. Retirement in Italy goes at what time: 67. In Russia, there is still 55.12 years of difference. Multiply these years by the "minimum wage" and get the cost of the "little money" ...
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 21 November 2013 12: 34
    0
    Svidomye and the people who believed in their exclusivity, in their individuality played out.
    Now it is obvious to me that Ukraine will soon be torn apart into pieces, the fate of which will depend, including on our readiness and desire to intervene in this terrible process.

    But it’s not obvious to me.
  • rexby63
    rexby63 21 November 2013 12: 35
    +2
    "It is clearly unprofitable for us, in the name of the idea of ​​national sentimentalism, to annex to our fatherland a region that has lost any living connection with it. After all, for an insignificant handful of Galicians, Russian in spirit, how many Poles, Jews, Ukrainianized Uniates will we get? The so-called Ukrainian or Mazepa movement now we are not afraid, but we should not let it grow, increasing the number of restless Ukrainian elements, since in this movement there is an undoubted embryo of extremely dangerous Little Russian separatism, which under favorable conditions can reach completely unexpected proportions "

    They did not listen at the time to Pyotr Nikolaevich.
  • KRAT
    KRAT 21 November 2013 13: 47
    -1
    Quote: Dangerous
    Once again I’m reading articles about Ukraine. Living there, tell me - is there really such a mess with you ??

    The same mess as yours. the author is very thin, apparently intentionally. Enterprises work, salaries are also paid pensions lower than in Russia. I hear only about the Islamists from the press and TV (I live in Crimea in Saki) Nobody blows up, well, it really happened in Simferopol this is a procession of three hundred people like Islamists with posters. I would not want to see about European integration, but you need a referendum.
    Quote: APES
    It is necessary to offer all who wish "Ukrainians" Russian passports with all the attendant
    Or like this.
    1. alex13-61
      alex13-61 22 November 2013 06: 44
      +1
      Quote: KRAT
      . (I live in Crimea, Saki)

      If not for the sea and mud - Saki would have been in such an anus.
      And what works for us: a chemical plant that was cut into scrap metal, or a "string" that did not add up the price?
  • Egoza
    Egoza 21 November 2013 14: 21
    +6
    Parliament failed all six bills to treat prisoners abroad
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-131723.html
    On my watch - 12.00. There is a break in the Rada now. But it is clear that there will be no "constructive". The Communist Party of Ukraine does not vote, which does not prevent Symonenko from speaking and dipping his nose into ... all those present, including the "European observers" Koks-Kvasnevsky.
    For the first time I heard a figure from Simonenko - 3, 5 million people for holding a referendum on the CU. And this despite all the prohibitions and sticks in the wheels of agitators.
    Youth elementary hang noodles on the ears (Yatsenyuk and Co.). None of the Oppa specify that the association is not accession to the EU. And there will be no jobs for youth in the association. But they are precisely such statements that attract young people.
    In principle, by geographical location, Ukraine is already in Europe. Why not build "Europe" at home? Ah-ah! So it’s necessary to pinch off the profit, and invest in the modernization of production, and in the social sector, and in the observance of all sorts of norms ... Nope! This "us" does not suit! "Who will give more? That is the question!" (almost Hamlet) laughing
    1. MG42
      MG42 21 November 2013 15: 55
      +5
      Quote: Egoza
      Parliament failed all six bills to treat prisoners abroad

      Now, in addition to the association with the EU and the treatment of Tymoshenko, the top topic in Ukraine >>> ardent Russophobia Irina Fahrion Freedom member admitted that she was in the Communist Party. wassat

      People's Deputy from VO "Freedom" Irina Farion admitted that she joined the Communist Party of the Soviet Union for the sake of career growth
      She stated this on the air of the Lviv Wave radio station.
      "In 1988 year I entered this shit by accident on the basis of career growth, and already in 1989, after very serious conflicts at the department, I left it, ”said Farion.
      In addition, commenting on her comparison of journalists with "hyenas," the people's deputy said: "My words are addressed exclusively to people who stormed in a glass of water, and I can only sympathize with journalists."
      According to Comments, on November 19, documents were published in the media confirming the membership of the People’s Deputy from VO Liberty Irina Farion in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU).
      In particular, this is confirmed by the minutes of the meetings of the party committee of Lviv State University. I. Franko, as well as meetings of the Komsomol committee of this university.
      Among the documents made public is the minutes No. 10 of the meeting of March 10, 1987, the agenda of which included the question “On the provision of characteristics, recommendations for the admission of candidate CPSU member comrade. Farion I.D. ”
      Yesterday, in response to a question from journalists about the published documents, Farion laughed and said: “Orlitsa does not report to hyenas”

      http://comments.ua/politics/437253-farion-priznalas-vstupila-kpss.html

      And in Lviv yesterday, leaflets with a portrait of Farion against the background of Lenin were pasted up >>
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 21 November 2013 16: 07
        +5
        Application Farion on joining the CPSU photo. Readable if you open the image.
        1. MG42
          MG42 21 November 2013 16: 18
          +3
          Gleb, yes I saw this and other documents yesterday thanks.

          In Kharkiv, for the second day in a row, ethnic clashes on religious grounds with Turkmen students have been taking place. More than a hundred Turkmen took part in the riots. Apparently Kharkiv has become an interethnic dump, and this is just the beginning >>
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 21 November 2013 16: 24
            +1
            Quote: MG42
            Gleb, yes I saw this and other documents yesterday thanks.


            Let Svidomnya look and gurgle viciously with corn liquid in his shards, they say, "Usio shvalshovano" (c) and "At once we are big, we are not podUlata. Wuxi is on the maydaun. Yuschenko so" (c) laughing
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 21 November 2013 16: 01
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      For the first time I heard a figure from Simonenko - 3, 5 million people for holding a referendum on the CU. And this despite all the prohibitions and sticks in the wheels of agitators.

      On August 24, on Independence Day, I was in the Donetsk region, and in at least two cities I saw red tents with the symbols of the Communist Party of Ukraine, people came up and signed ...
  • pensioner
    pensioner 21 November 2013 14: 28
    +3
    When the whole body-weight in Ukraine started, I perceived everything from the beginning with bewilderment, then with irony, then with bitterness, and now with complete indifference: let there be what will be. It’s a pity that everything is so developing, but nothing can be done about it ... And the new generation there has already grown up with brains from the TV, and the old generation has also been persuaded that Russia is an unfriendly state. It is necessary to prepare for life in new realities ... And the faster, the better ...
  • Egoza
    Egoza 21 November 2013 14: 37
    +7
    By the way, about the collapse-section. Please note - this is not the "hand of Moscow"
    "After the publication by the Transcarpathian site" Tribune "of the project Hungarian-Ruthenian autonomy, power in which will belong equally to the Hungarians and Ruthenians, a storm of controversy erupted. Until it went beyond the Internet, and Ukrainian politicians were in no hurry to reveal their concern about the new project, apparently not wanting to advertise it. However, the fact remains: a considerable part of the Transcarpathian Hungarians and Ruthenians want to determine their future themselves and even chose the capital of the future autonomy, which will be two - Beregas (Beregovo) in the Hungarian part, and Mukachevo - in the Ruthenian ...

    Supporters of the Hungarian-Ruthenian autonomy claim that everything Hungarian should be separated from Ukrainian, as well as Ruthenian, which (according to the Hungarians) has nothing to do with Ukraine. They also believe that the survival of Transcarpathian Ruthenians as a people is possible only in Subcarpathian Rus with a center in Mukachevo, while Subcarpathian Rus should be an integral part of the autonomous duumvirate of Hungarians and Ruthenians. Legislative powers will belong to the local parliament - the Hungarian-Ruthenian National Assembly. The working title of future autonomy has already been born - Transcarpathian Regional Confederation of Hungarian and Ruthenian Peoples.
    Kiev was not particularly favored by the Rusyns because of their stubborn unwillingness to become Ukrainians. They also did not listen to the Hungarians, claiming that in Ukraine everything from Transcarpathia to Lugansk is Ukrainian. In fact Transcarpathia is the former Ugric Russia. It became Ukraine only after it was Russia for many centuries. It began as a result of administrative pressure on the local population, which was ordered to be renamed from Ruthenians to Ukrainians.
    http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikukr/219863-pereosmyslit-vilnyus-vzglyad-iz-k
    ieva-vengerskie-obidy-na-ukrainskiy-kiev.html
  • Egoza
    Egoza 21 November 2013 14: 48
    +4
    Azarov said that he received a letter from the IMF.
    "Conditions: an increase in gas and heating tariffs for the population by about 40%; commitments to freeze base wages, minimum wages, total nominal wages at the current level; significant cuts in budget spending; reduction in energy subsidies; gradual elimination of exemptions from VAT for agriculture and other industries and other conditions, "Azarov said.
    He asked to ask the opposition if they like the conditions of the Fund. "I want to ask our critics from the Udar, Batkivshchyna, and Svoboda factions, do they support such conditions? Sergey Gennadievich (Arbuzov - Ed.) You will now be in the Verkhovna Rada, find out and report to the government. Ministers, members of the Cabinet of Ministers support Such conditions? We will discuss this issue later, "Azarov added.
    Recall that in 2008, the International Monetary Fund opened a credit line to Ukraine for $ 16,5 billion, but then turned it off because of disagreement with the economic policy of the country's leadership, in particular, because of Ukraine’s reluctance to raise gas prices for the population.
    Another credit line was opened in 2010, but the IMF turned it down.
    http://www.segodnya.ua/economics/enews/mvf-trebuet-zamorozit-zarplaty-v-ukraine-
    azarov-476598.html
    xxxxx
    Without IMF money, Ukraine will fall into the abyss. To accept these conditions is to cause a riot in the country. Europe has no money, although they promise "a little bit". Russia does. And the help will be significant. "So where are we going to make the waist?"
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 21 November 2013 15: 14
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      He asked the opposition to ask if they liked the conditions of the Fund.
      Well ... Ask to ask - it’s not to ask like what? ... What if he is asked not to ask "ask to ask"? Then what: ask or not ask? what what what Went to the kitchen ... Think ... repeat
  • Egoza
    Egoza 21 November 2013 14: 48
    +1
    Azarov said that he received a letter from the IMF.
    "Conditions: an increase in gas and heating tariffs for the population by about 40%; commitments to freeze base wages, minimum wages, total nominal wages at the current level; significant cuts in budget spending; reduction in energy subsidies; gradual elimination of exemptions from VAT for agriculture and other industries and other conditions, "Azarov said.
    He asked to ask the opposition if they like the conditions of the Fund. "I want to ask our critics from the Udar, Batkivshchyna, and Svoboda factions, do they support such conditions? Sergey Gennadievich (Arbuzov - Ed.) You will now be in the Verkhovna Rada, find out and report to the government. Ministers, members of the Cabinet of Ministers support Such conditions? We will discuss this issue later, "Azarov added.
    Recall that in 2008, the International Monetary Fund opened a credit line to Ukraine for $ 16,5 billion, but then turned it off because of disagreement with the economic policy of the country's leadership, in particular, because of Ukraine’s reluctance to raise gas prices for the population.
    Another credit line was opened in 2010, but the IMF turned it down.
    http://www.segodnya.ua/economics/enews/mvf-trebuet-zamorozit-zarplaty-v-ukraine-
    azarov-476598.html
    xxxxx
    Without IMF money, Ukraine will fall into the abyss. To accept these conditions is to cause a riot in the country. Europe has no money, although they promise "a little bit". Russia does. And the help will be significant. "So where are we going to make the waist?"
  • Prutkov
    Prutkov 21 November 2013 14: 51
    +3
    Quote: So_o_tozh
    At your side no one will create an instability zone, do not drive snowstorms, money is important for the West, and money loves silence.

    The cemetery is also "quiet". What kind of money? Where do you see them?
  • Sashko07
    Sashko07 21 November 2013 14: 53
    +2
    Quote: Dangerous
    Once again I’m reading articles about Ukraine. Living there, tell me - is there really such a mess with you ?? It really becomes a pity - a great country and wonderful people have found themselves in such a situation. Oh, how tired of all these games of politicians, because of which ordinary citizens of the country are suffering more and more! ...

    No, there is little work, but it is, you need to be a complete idler so that you would not find it. The streets are being cleaned, the children in schools and kindergartens are somehow fed but the army, which for some reason everyone is burying, is there. Politicians have a lot of guns but this is the case everywhere. In terms of living standards, in some regions it’s even better than in Russia, from Belarus to us personally to Chernigov every weekend several hundred cars go to be purchased.
    My advice to you is to read articles on similar sites, the Rossiya24 channel, etc., as a rule, as a rule, the owners of such resources sold their Russia and all Russians long ago. soldier
    1. POMA
      POMA 21 November 2013 15: 10
      0
      What do we watch Inter or what? So there, in addition to Bandera, they do not show anything, and the Military Review does not want to find fault, have your own. And so take a srambler.
    2. POMA
      POMA 21 November 2013 15: 12
      0
      Yes, about Belarus ZAGUNUL! Fantast to fuck.
  • Nestor72
    Nestor72 21 November 2013 15: 11
    +1
    There is a deputy in Ukraine worthy of respect. Oleg Tsarev. A man with a core, with real convictions. Unfortunately, they rarely remember him.
    Below is an episode in the restaurant "Kryiivka" (Lviv).
    http://video.i.ua/user/2600705/29724/226699/
    1. In the book
      In the book 21 November 2013 16: 24
      0
      Olezh, is that you? laughing
      PR is more than affairs.
      1. Nestor72
        Nestor72 21 November 2013 17: 16
        0
        It's me.
        Do I have PR or Tsarev?
        And be a man, please introduce yourself.
        1. In the book
          In the book 21 November 2013 18: 04
          -1
          PR at Tsarev.
          Didn’t you guess that Nestor72 is Oleg Tsaryov? belay
          And call me Alexander. hi
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 21 November 2013 21: 14
            0
            Quote: Libr
            PR at Tsarev.
            Didn’t you guess that Nestor72 is Oleg Tsaryov? belay
            And call me Alexander. hi

            Still, they were found ... Gemini along the way ... Ideology spread ... am
          2. Nestor72
            Nestor72 22 November 2013 21: 06
            0
            Guessed my name was Oleg.
            I thought that one of my friends recognized me by nickname.
            He even suggested that this friend's name was Alexander.
            But you are definitely not him. He would have written the word "really" together.
            My regards.
            1. In the book
              In the book 23 November 2013 11: 41
              0
              Quote: Nestor72
              My regards.

              Mutually.
  • Black
    Black 21 November 2013 15: 18
    +2
    DANGEROUS worried about a mess at a neighbor ....
    And we do not mess? What is better with us (well, except for oil and gas) ??
  • Sashko07
    Sashko07 21 November 2013 15: 30
    +2
    Quote: POMA
    Yes, about Belarus ZAGUNUL! Fantast to fuck.

    You take pictures of how hundreds of cars with Belarusian license plates stand under the shops and markets of Chernihiv every weekend?
  • Sashko07
    Sashko07 21 November 2013 15: 33
    +1
    Quote: POMA
    What do we watch Inter or what? So there, in addition to Bandera, they do not show anything, and the Military Review does not want to find fault, have your own. And so take a srambler.

    On Inter, I have not seen a single program or reportage wherever Bandera was praised, stop writing nonsense. Unlike Russian TV channels, Ukrainian TV channels do not water Russia with mud. Even the well-known Channel 5 restrains itself.
    And as regards yours, have in mind that you don’t need to write such articles about fraternal people every day.
  • HAM
    HAM 21 November 2013 15: 56
    +4
    Come on: "the end", in Russia it was worse (+ the war on its territory), cope. Do not fall in spirit, neighbors, the main thing.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 21 November 2013 16: 13
    +1
    Remember how we were taught at school to write an essay plan? An introduction, a plot, a climax, an epilogue ... Well, the "action" is developing!
    MEPs demand to verify Tymoshenko’s involvement in Lazarenko’s thefts
    A group of European MPs sent an open letter to President of the European Parliament Martin Schulz with a request not to link the signing of the Association Agreement and the Free Trade Zone with the EU at the upcoming summit in Vilnius with the case of Yulia Tymoshenko.
    The deputies drew the attention of the EP president to the fact that the law firm Lowrence and Graham is currently searching for $ 200 million illegally exported by Yulia Tymoshenko and former Prime Minister Pavel Lazarenko to Switzerland and the United States. Deputies are sure that it is impossible to assess the legal system of Ukraine, as well as the Tymoshenko case, until the investigation of these financial frauds is completed.

    “The public opinion of Ukraine would be disappointed with the EU’s position,” the deputies wrote to Martin Schulz. “Indeed, the alleged money transfers are perceived as a corrupt practice of the Ukrainian political elite, which participated in gas and oil trading in the 1990s.”

    Deputies also believe that the issue of Tymoshenko’s treatment should be removed from the political plane and turned to independent medical organizations to assess the prisoner's health.
    XXXX
    It has come to the European deputies in what pool they will find themselves, if the respected FOREIGN company proves that Julia is a THEME! laughing Well, again, a reason to "retreat nicely"
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 21 November 2013 16: 19
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      It has come to the European deputies in what pool they will find themselves, if the respected FOREIGN company proves that Julia is a THEME!


      FOREIGN COMPANY probably already received instructions from Brussels, dig the ground with your nose or lower it on the brakes. In ANY case, no one will give money back - the capitals arrested by the Amer court in stripes are already the same by-and-by.

      "The balancer was let down, the phytane was given out, and the money was bye bye, wept, sir!"
  • Egoza
    Egoza 21 November 2013 16: 14
    0
    Remember how we were taught at school to write an essay plan? An introduction, a plot, a climax, an epilogue ... Well, the "action" is developing!
    MEPs demand to verify Tymoshenko’s involvement in Lazarenko’s thefts
    A group of European MPs sent an open letter to President of the European Parliament Martin Schulz with a request not to link the signing of the Association Agreement and the Free Trade Zone with the EU at the upcoming summit in Vilnius with the case of Yulia Tymoshenko.
    The deputies drew the attention of the EP president to the fact that the law firm Lowrence and Graham is currently searching for $ 200 million illegally exported by Yulia Tymoshenko and former Prime Minister Pavel Lazarenko to Switzerland and the United States. Deputies are sure that it is impossible to assess the legal system of Ukraine, as well as the Tymoshenko case, until the investigation of these financial frauds is completed.

    “The public opinion of Ukraine would be disappointed with the EU’s position,” the deputies wrote to Martin Schulz. “Indeed, the alleged money transfers are perceived as a corrupt practice of the Ukrainian political elite, which participated in gas and oil trading in the 1990s.”

    Deputies also believe that the issue of Tymoshenko’s treatment should be removed from the political plane and turned to independent medical organizations to assess the prisoner's health.
    XXXX
    It has come to the European deputies in what pool they will find themselves, if the respected FOREIGN company proves that Julia is a THEME! laughing Well, again, a reason to "retreat nicely"
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  • Cat
    Cat 21 November 2013 17: 00
    +5
    Dear Russians! (from)

    An earnest request: before discussing what kind of a ratish country Ukraine is, and what kind of Ukrainians live there, first make it clear - what kind of Russia are you citizens of? The one that is the former RSFSR, or the one whose patriots draw a swastika on their belly and greet each other with zigzags?
    And then, judging by the comments, many represent exactly the second Russia - "brotherhood" with which, of course, Ukraine and the Ukrainians do not need it, neither for nothing, nor for money. While friendship of the RSFSR-Ukrainian SSR type is quite acceptable for itself, at least negative memories of it happen only among some, all over the head Svidomo "Ukrainians".
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 21 November 2013 17: 09
      +2
      Quote: Cat
      What Russian citizens are you?


      Russia, it is one, it is not necessary to divide it, but at the expense of "zigov", hmm, unlike Ukraine, they are imprisoned, and you have them in the status of national heroes and ... there is no reason to blame if the face is crooked.
      1. Cat
        Cat 21 November 2013 17: 39
        +3
        Quote: seller trucks
        Russia, it is one, it is not necessary to divide it, but at the expense of "zigov", hmm, unlike Ukraine, they are imprisoned, and you have them in the status of national heroes and ... there is no reason to blame if the face is crooked.

        and have already "planted" a lot? I watch Russian news much more often than Ukrainian news (or rather, I don't watch Ukrainian news at all). So: whatever the event, so are your "patriots" in the frame, although, in theory, they should be on the bunk. But...
        Nevertheless, neither I nor the majority of Ukrainians consider these quibbles "the face of Russia." And on their example, they do not deduce a theory about the general inferiority of the Russian people. But many of your fellow citizens are doing just that - just in the comments to this article, how many statements like “all Ukrainians are kazly, because they are Ukrainians”? I'm even too lazy to count. But there are not one or two such articles on the site - where are they from, and for what purpose? Despite the fact that the main contingent of the VO is made up of patriots not so much of Russia as of the USSR (and at the same time of the Soviet ideology about the friendship of peoples).

        In addition, about our "heroes" ... I love them no more than you do, I would love to kick many "nasty patriots" in the head with a brick - spitting on their parliamentary immunity. But alas - our laws are no better than yours, in the same way they were written by breeders to protect the rights of bastards, because of them, I don't want to go to prison ... But I am not going to be like them either.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 21 November 2013 17: 42
    +3
    We are discussing the development of the plot of the end of Ukraine. so it develops apocaleptic. The country fell under the ideological propaganda of "zapadentsev" and the blindly walking people of all Ukraine in the wake of their policy in case of collapse will be stained with rivers of blood.
  • Sashko07
    Sashko07 21 November 2013 17: 44
    +2
    look at what your expert says about Ukraine’s entry into the EU
  • Black
    Black 21 November 2013 18: 29
    0
    Quote: Cat
    While friendship like the RSFSR-Ukrainian SSR is quite acceptable to itself,


    Who is acceptable? For me it’s not acceptable. as friends with the RSFSR, I remember very well. let's do it differently.
    No matter what "friendly" republic he came to, the standard of living was higher everywhere than in Russia. what was, interestingly, the metropolis ??
    1. Cat
      Cat 21 November 2013 19: 09
      +2
      Quote: Chen
      No matter what "friendly" republic he came to, the standard of living was higher everywhere than in Russia. what was, interestingly, the metropolis ??

      "friendly republics" is a loose concept. Yes, somewhere there was more, somewhere less. Somewhere it was not at all. I still remember the parcels with wallpaper that my great-aunt sent from Moscow - all the relatives had these wallpapers glued to the walls, since it was simply unrealistic to buy them even in Kiev. School costumes for all young people - from the same Moscow, the same packages were sent (Ukrainian ones were much worse in appearance and quality). In this regard, it was more difficult for adults, they had to go to Moscow and personally stomp in the same Central Department Store or somewhere else ... Also, at one time my father worked at a cheese factory, sometimes he brought butter - which was not even supplied to Kiev stores in principle, only Moscow and the socialist camp. The quality and taste were - mmmm ... there is no such thing in any elite grocery store, it is unprofitable - a natural product without chemicals.
      That is, from our point of view, it turned out what: in the RSFSR - there is, in the Ukrainian SSR - no. This means that they live better than us. Say, Russia is not only Moscow and Moscow Region? It is the same in other republics: there were capitals, and there were remote villages. Even in the richest, by Union standards, the Baltic states - and even then one could find a farm "with amenities in the nearby bushes."
      And it's stupid to blame everything on the "party policy" ... it happened within one district - a village with a millionaire collective farm, a three-storey school, asphalt along all the streets - and next to another, where only the central street had some kind of coverage, and the collective farm consisted of three rusty harvesters and fifty lean cows. And who is to blame for this - the "friendly" republics, or maybe the head of the village council and the chairman of the collective farm? That's it...