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Published satellite photos of the mysterious Chinese "superguns"

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Published satellite photos of the mysterious Chinese "superguns"

The satellite image shows two cannons mounted on concrete foundations (one is 33,5 long and one meter is second 24). The first pictures appeared between September 2010 of the year and December of 2011 of the year, satellite imagery confirmed that in July of 2013 of the year the guns continued to be in this place. Probably, these guns are used to test high-speed ultra-long-range projectiles.


China has historically shown an interest in building long-range artillery. In the 1970s, experiments were conducted to create the Xianfen supergun as part of the 640 anti-missile project. The program was canceled in 1980's.

In 1990's, it became known that China created a test bench similar to the Iraqi Babus supercannon (Project Babylon, photo below), developed by engineer Gerald Bull. It is known that this designer in 1980-ies took an active part in the design of Chinese ultra-long artillery systems. The work was carried out by the artillery design bureau of the China North Industrial Corporation (China North Industries Corporation - Norinco).

Artillery guns in Baotou are structurally similar to the Babylon, which theoretically could shoot at extra large distances or destroy low-orbit satellites. Although these gun systems are similar in concept to the super-gun Bulla, it seems unlikely that Beijing will use them to create long-range artillery or conduct anti-satellite operations, since it creates ballistic missiles for these purposes.

In addition, these devices can be a prototype of the railgun, although this is also unlikely, since it cannot be seen near a large energy source. Another possibility is that China is using these outdated devices to test heavy duty projectiles.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 19 November 2013 09: 56
    +6
    it's not guns — it's big sticks for eating rice.
    1. APES
      APES 19 November 2013 10: 15
      13
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      it's not guns


      This is a Chinese intelligence project with the goal of:
      1. so that everyone breaks their head thinking that it
      2. pulled into a costly and futile arms race with China
      1. Grandson of Veteran
        Grandson of Veteran 19 November 2013 10: 46
        32
        ".. to shoot at ultra-long distances or to destroy low-orbit satellites .."
        From artillery on satellites ??? Apparently, I have not woken up yet! laughing
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 19 November 2013 16: 17
          +4
          Quote: Veteran's grandson
          From artillery on satellites ??? Apparently, I have not woken up yet!

          Read here “BIG BABYLON” SADDAM'S SUPER-STAR - THE NEXT REASON FOR INTELLIGENCE, MYTH OR SAME REALITY?
        3. Interface
          Interface 19 November 2013 22: 25
          +1
          Yes, everything is non-standard there: rice is eaten with chopsticks, scorched by cannons on satellites.
          wassat
        4. SSR
          SSR 19 November 2013 22: 53
          0
          Quote: Grandson of Veteran
          ".. to shoot at ultra-long distances or to destroy low-orbit satellites .."
          From artillery on satellites ??? Apparently, I have not woken up yet! laughing

          Who knows? The tank makes a shot with ammunition like "Krasnopol" and then another fluff, charged at 20-30 km and then the engines are cut in .... What am I talking about? And besides, there is always some truth in the joke.
        5. goldfinger
          goldfinger 19 November 2013 22: 59
          0
          From Minsk. As a child, I read Jules Verne - "From a Cannon to the Moon". Probably an illustration for the book.
          Quote: Veteran's grandson
          From artillery on satellites ??? I AM
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 19 November 2013 12: 09
      28
      And where are the super-high-quality images from space, on which even newspapers could be read? What kind of blur images and investigations of journalists?
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 19 November 2013 16: 18
        10
        Quote: Sith Lord
        What kind of blur images and investigations of journalists?

        What shots are such and considerations-blurred, laughing
        1. carbofo
          carbofo 19 November 2013 18: 20
          +4
          Quote: Tersky
          What pictures are such and considerations-blurred

          A banana republic is enough to be bombed when democratic values ​​are introduced.
        2. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 19 November 2013 18: 40
          +5
          C'mon ... On the basis of the four murky shadows, the types were named, they reasoned about the prospects, and plunged into history ... On the basis of these pictures and blurry considerations, you can’t give birth. Now, if you connect the investigator’s journalist with his secret weapon - the finger from which he sucks such stories ...
        3. PSih2097
          PSih2097 19 November 2013 21: 19
          +1
          Quote: Tersky
          What shots are such and considerations-blurred,

          sharpness and exposure forgot to set ...
      2. Mercenary
        Mercenary 19 November 2013 22: 20
        0
        this is they themselves. newspapers are not visible but pegs for building a new wall are clearly visible
    3. Civil
      Civil 19 November 2013 18: 53
      +1
      in the era of rocket technology ... why guns, anyway, how to uncover DORU)
    4. GSH-18
      GSH-18 19 November 2013 19: 06
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      it's not guns — it's big sticks for eating rice.

      They were unexpectedly discovered near a mountain of boiled rice disguised as a pyramid. lol
  2. RUSS
    RUSS 19 November 2013 09: 56
    23
    Maybe this is a means of delivering goods to the moon, like J. Verne? laughing
    1. Fregate
      Fregate 19 November 2013 12: 43
      +8
      No, this is what would throw troops behind enemy lines. He put a company in a cannon, an arson wick and ... good luck. laughing
      1. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 19 November 2013 18: 31
        +3
        Quote: Fregate
        He put a company in a gun, an arson wick and ... good luck

        To each core and forward to the exploits laughing
  3. Stiletto
    Stiletto 19 November 2013 09: 57
    11
    Therefore, "From a Cannon to the Moon" by Jules Verne is read in China too.
    1. the47th
      the47th 19 November 2013 11: 56
      +4
      Apparently, they want to check that the moon is actually from cheese.
  4. Ihrek
    Ihrek 19 November 2013 10: 14
    13
    Yes, let even the moon, even Saturn. If only not for Russia.
  5. major071
    major071 19 November 2013 10: 23
    11
    The Chinese put down two metal blanks for a laugh and are waiting for the United States to guess what kind of "secret weapon" it is. They distract bastards from other developments.
  6. Vasia kruger
    Vasia kruger 19 November 2013 10: 29
    +3
    There is a suspicion that these are purely scientific objects. They are studying prospects, they are unlikely to seriously plan to hammer from satellites from cannons, but science does.
  7. svp67
    svp67 19 November 2013 10: 30
    +2
    It seems that now China has SO MUCH that it is enough for VERY MUCH ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 19 November 2013 10: 36
      +2
      There is money, plans have their own orbital station, plus the Martian program.
    2. sanyabasik
      sanyabasik 19 November 2013 10: 54
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      It seems that now China has SO MUCH that it is enough for VERY MUCH ...

      So they did not have the Winter Olympics. only Summer ... laughing
      1. alone
        alone 19 November 2013 21: 11
        0
        interesting, but who did they copy the gun from? Or did they do it themselves? belay
  8. Sochi
    Sochi 19 November 2013 10: 45
    +2
    What guns? these are two telescopes, they did it, they did it, they can’t take it out ... and the whole world is racking its brains.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 19 November 2013 19: 12
      +1
      Quote: Sochi
      What guns? these are two telescopes, they did it, they did it, they can’t take it out ... and the whole world is racking its brains.

      Perhaps these are the first prototypes of pipes for the Russia-China gas pipeline ?? belay
  9. Muadipus
    Muadipus 19 November 2013 10: 50
    +2
    Yes, let them develop it, it’s not always plagiarism. Suddenly something sensible will turn out, then we will plagiarize them too))
  10. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 19 November 2013 10: 52
    +1
    IMHO this is not necessarily a gun
  11. nikcris
    nikcris 19 November 2013 10: 52
    +3
    A pad in black or guns in white slightly paint?
    1. sasska
      sasska 19 November 2013 20: 07
      +1
      what for? then there will be no intrigue smile
  12. Corsair
    Corsair 19 November 2013 11: 02
    +6
    Quote from the article:
    In 1990's, it became known that China created a test bench similar to the Iraqi Babus supercannon (Project Babylon, photo below), developed by engineer Gerald Bull. It is known that this designer in 1980-ies took an active part in the design of Chinese ultra-long artillery systems. The work was carried out by the artillery design bureau of the China North Industrial Corporation (China North Industries Corporation - Norinco).


    In the whole "vague" story with the "Babylon supergun", it is noteworthy that the Canadian engineer, long-range artillery specialist Gerald Bull was shot in 1990 "under unclear circumstances, by unidentified persons" ...

    Various options for such a mysterious death were littered in the press, and the involvement of Israeli special services was not considered in the last place ...
  13. Encoder
    Encoder 19 November 2013 11: 30
    +4
    We have inflatable tanks with their guns, what's wrong?
  14. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 19 November 2013 11: 36
    +1
    There is no data when these tools worked (tested). Maybe it was back in the last century, at a certain stage in the development of artillery in China. Unfortunately, the article does not mention the range of these guns and where they are located.
  15. AK-47
    AK-47 19 November 2013 11: 49
    +9
    These are the terracotta guns of the terracotta army. yes
  16. ICT
    ICT 19 November 2013 12: 20
    +6
    or destroy low-orbit satellites.
    rather launch these same LEO satellites. since even the devices assembled by this engineer in the USA at one of the ranges from the decommissioned guns of battleships fired at a "height" of 100 km
    1. knn54
      knn54 19 November 2013 21: 44
      +2
      -TIT: rather launch the same low-orbit satellites.
      In 1995, the Chinese press published a photograph of a 21-meter gun with a caliber of 85 millimeters with an estimated firing range of 320 kilometers. She is able to keep Taiwan and South Korea under threat of shelling. The essence of the idea is to give the projectile a high initial speed and make it fly most of the way in the stratosphere, where the air resistance is much less than at the Earth’s surface.
      And treaties restricting the use of missile weapons (including missile defense) do not apply to artillery. Well, an adjustable ultra-long-range cannon, as compared to a missile warhead, is both a cheaper product and a hard-hit target. So "super guns", it’s too early to bury ...
      In January 2007, the Chinese satellite, launched into its polar orbit with an altitude of 853 kilometers, destroyed the Fen Yun-1 satellite, which had served its Chinese meteorological satellite, by direct hit.
      To launch the antisatellite, a promising solid fuel carrier rocket of the Kaituozhe type was used, which could have been launched from a self-propelled launcher. The missile, which threw the first Chinese killer satellite into space, launched from an unidentified area near the Sichan cosmodrome (“base 27”), possibly just from the mobile “table” ...
  17. Known who
    Known who 19 November 2013 12: 24
    +1
    So quiet glanders and create an electromagnetic gun.
    1. papik09
      papik09 19 November 2013 15: 16
      +2
      quiet glanders, take nuna in quotes, like so "quiet glanders" laughing, that is, to dig a trench by crawling, in front of you, without raising a known place, the next crawling, deepens, and so on, until "full growth"
      1. Drosselmeyer
        Drosselmeyer 19 November 2013 18: 37
        +4
        This is not from the word "sniff", but from the word "glanders" (from the French sape - hoe) - a tunnel, a trench dug out during an attack on an open area in order to gradually approach the enemy's fortified position. Thus, it is correct to write "quietly".
        Two options are known: volatile and flipping glanders (quiet, secretive). Flying work was carried out from the surface of the earth under the cover of a previously prepared protective embankment from barrels and bags of earth, and a cross over was carried out from the bottom of the initial ditch or trench without going to the surface.
  18. Diesel
    Diesel 19 November 2013 12: 29
    +1
    Another "Chinese" super throw.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 19 November 2013 19: 17
      +2
      These are spy Chinese pipes! They work by the method of throwing across the border, after which everything that is within their reach is absorbed into China! Be careful! wassat
  19. SEM
    SEM 19 November 2013 12: 37
    +1
    Well, China is developing more like the USSR, in the same vein, so if we take our history, long-range guns were also created + infe.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 19 November 2013 15: 34
      +7
      In 60 years old. in the good Soviet times, in parades, on Red Square, 2 pairs of self-propelled gun mounts with barrel lengths, like those of the Kmtays, were held.
  20. e-egod
    e-egod 19 November 2013 12: 39
    0
    Or maybe it's a Chinese calider. wassat
  21. individual
    individual 19 November 2013 12: 42
    0
    This is the Chinese analogue of "Baron Munchausen's cannon" for a nuclear flight to the moon.
    crying
    In China, almost 1,5 billion people and 500-700 million of their Kulibins.
    If everything is considered satellites are not enough.
  22. scientist
    scientist 19 November 2013 12: 43
    +2
    This is a unit of Chinese intelligence officers "Baron von Munchausen" on manned shells laughing
  23. Algor73
    Algor73 19 November 2013 12: 51
    +4
    I would not be so ironic about this news. Projects are closed, but developments remain (remember how many projects there were under the Union, how many were closed due to inexpediency, through imperfect technologies, etc.). But the world does not stand still. And in vain they smirk that "from cannons and satellites." It is quite possible when shooting with a special missile projectile. China is moving forward.
  24. Cotras
    Cotras 19 November 2013 13: 11
    +2
    At one time, the Soviet Union experienced the emission of a laser beam using an explosion of waste.
    Maybe China came up with something perfect? not one-time so to speak.
    Although I, too, are inclined to the version about Munichhausen.)))
  25. Koronik
    Koronik 19 November 2013 13: 14
    +3
    But I'm sorry, from the pictures you can’t determine the gun in any way or something else.
    "In addition, these devices could be the prototype of a railgun, although this is also unlikely, since there is no large energy source nearby."
    Everything is based on guesses, maybe this or that, maybe not.
    1. papik09
      papik09 19 November 2013 15: 19
      +1
      "railgun" .... And maybe a lohoTRONA? wassat
    2. horoh
      horoh 19 November 2013 18: 24
      0
      A large source of energy does not have to be visible. A small underground reactor, in theory they exist, but in reality, who knows, technology does not stand still.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 19 November 2013 21: 25
        0
        Quote: horoh
        A large source of energy does not have to be visible. A small underground reactor, in theory they exist, but in reality, who knows, technology does not stand still.

        Or maybe this is a test of a mini reactor for the same railgun.
        Since a gun means it’s necessary to shoot down satellites or scare neighbors?
  26. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 19 November 2013 14: 14
    0
    This can be anything, including experimental laser systems with a pumping system through an explosion of conventional ammunition or an attempt to obtain kinetic weapons or something else. Why guns?
  27. starhina01
    starhina01 19 November 2013 14: 17
    0
    no one will understand anything from such pictures. so you can safely fantasize hopping soul hi
  28. predator.3
    predator.3 19 November 2013 14: 35
    11
    We also have such a gun!
    1. maxvet
      maxvet 19 November 2013 20: 05
      +2
      it's not a gun, it's a bombard
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 20 November 2013 00: 56
      0
      [img]http://http://im4-tub-ua.yandex.net/i?id=109217642-22-72&n=21[/img]
      Quote: predator.3
      We also have such a gun!

      There are at least two such "Tsar Cannons" in the world:
      - one in our Kremlin;
      - the second (exact copy) in the city of Donetsk (Ukraine), installed in the park named after Shcherbakov, as a gift as a sign of friendship between cities and peoples ...
    3. kmike
      kmike 20 November 2013 05: 57
      +1
      Or such! Huge destructive power.
  29. Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 19 November 2013 14: 37
    +2
    Quote: RUSS
    Martian program.


    And, I wonder, who will they rip her off from? None of the people have yet flown to Mars.
  30. Ruslan
    Ruslan 19 November 2013 15: 12
    +4
    you mock here, but the bull created an interesting path for the development of barrel artillery. if the Chinese doper up to his ideas, then this is not funny. as I read that it was precisely for the weapon Babylon in Iraq that the Mossad banged, because were afraid that he would finish it. No wonder it’s possible. he had a project for putting small-sized satellites into low Earth orbit. He kind of advised South Africa when they created au G5. the Chinese may try to create, for example, an anti-ship system. a heavy projectile will be fired at a height of 100 km, and then it will dive on an aircraft carrier for example. like this.
  31. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 19 November 2013 15: 34
    +1
    Again, the Chinese are xeroxing something ... what It would be good for them to palm off. Or Mouse at the worst ... let them practice. lol
    1. maxvet
      maxvet 19 November 2013 20: 07
      +1
      Mouse is what you need. The crew-commander, gunner, mechwater, loader and a thousand tankers who pedal laughing
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  33. Spectrum
    Spectrum 19 November 2013 15: 40
    +1
    With this quality of images, you can give out a Gazprom pipe for a super gun, but generally measure one cut 7 times, and not vice versa.
  34. Commander
    Commander 19 November 2013 16: 47
    0
    It used to be possible to laugh at China, but now they can carve out anything at night with files: a tank, an airplane, a gun !!! And they all copy it as theirs !! Well, the picture can be anything.
  35. mithridate
    mithridate 19 November 2013 17: 06
    0
    the picture is very fuzzy to draw any conclusions
  36. Keeper
    Keeper 19 November 2013 17: 39
    0
    could shoot ultra-long distances or destroy low-orbit satellites.

    It would be better if we learned to clean the Earth’s orbit from space debris! And they gathered flour from him to crush ...
  37. saag
    saag 19 November 2013 18: 17
    +1
    I watched a documentary for a long time. in my opinion it’s just about Gerald Bull, he had an idea to make a cheap means of launching low-orbit satellites, it was a hybrid of a rocket and a projectile, maybe it would have worked out if he had been given to finish
    1. alex86
      alex86 19 November 2013 18: 43
      +1
      As far as I remember, it turned out quite well in South Africa, the shell went into orbit. There was a rather strange detail - the projectile was over-caliber, on the set it was visible (the quality was poor and from a distance) that the length of the barrel before the shot was longer (due to the over-projectile). There were no technical explanations.
  38. axay032
    axay032 19 November 2013 19: 34
    +1
    In the article, such nonsense is written that I do not want to discuss it
  39. uzer 13
    uzer 13 19 November 2013 19: 45
    +2
    There is such a profession, suckers. Shoes. For general use, satellite images adapted to the civilian version and having a resolution of not better than 20m \ mm are allowed, and the military have a resolution of 0.5m \ mm. Only pictures of cities are taken in more detail so that streets and buildings are visible. The military decryptors put their usual markings on this civilian photo and it was presented as satellite intelligence material (this image must have a registration number) .Therefore, you can’t see anything on it. Here is a real shot of the gun. The Chinese gunner is looking at the satellites of the enemies he’s going to knock down.
  40. patriot2
    patriot2 19 November 2013 20: 11
    +1
    Here it is, the realization of the dream of science fiction writer Jules Verne "From a Cannon to the Moon"! laughing
  41. Bosk
    Bosk 19 November 2013 20: 12
    0
    It seems to me that the idea of ​​launching satellites with the help of guns is slipping through here, although the projectile satellite should be a very "narrow" specialization and I'm afraid that no one will like this specialization ...
  42. zennon
    zennon 19 November 2013 21: 51
    +1
    Here about super long-range artillery:
    http://www.vokrugsveta.ru/vs/article/2251/
  43. VadimL
    VadimL 19 November 2013 22: 41
    0
    It is unlikely that they are guns at all. Upon careful inspection of the photo, it looks more like the shaded walls of light buildings against a light background.
  44. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 19 November 2013 22: 49
    0
    Judging by the rut that is nearby, the pipe is not 33 meters, but only 16 meters. And this is, so to speak, home sizes. drinks
  45. zvereok
    zvereok 20 November 2013 01: 02
    -1
    In my opinion, this is our government that has launched a super project to create huge walking robots for guarding borders. The Chinese are just outsourcing.
  46. Yves762
    Yves762 20 November 2013 07: 58
    0
    Satellite shots - 21st Century Rorschach Test ... laughing
  47. Nikita_Pilot
    Nikita_Pilot 20 November 2013 09: 38
    0
    I wonder what caliber is needed and how to aim it to bring down a satellite request ?