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20 million Russians will withdraw from the "shadow"

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The Ministry of Economic Development continues to search for ways to increase revenues to the state budget.


According to data released by the Ministry of Economic Development, about 20 of millions of Russians are working, quote: “in the shade”: someone is digging potatoes for money, someone is engaged in tutoring at home, someone is sewing clothes, someone is designing websites, someone legal assistance through the Internet provides. Using some progressive formulas, the Ministry of Economic Development considered that all these 20 millions of “shadow businesses” (by the way, a few months ago the figure was already expressed in 39 millions of working people “in the shadow” of Russians) do not allow, let's say, to get all budget segments around 240 billion rubles per year.

To make this money flow into the state treasury, officials of the Ministry of Economic Development decided to come up with an initiative to issue a special type of patent to self-employed (this is the term from the Ministry of Economic Development), allowing them to carry out this or that activity without registering with the tax structures of the individual enterprise. The preliminary cost of such a patent is also determined and amounts to one thousand rubles a month. Those who do not want to get such a patent are reminded of possible problems of an administrative and even criminal nature - the responsibility of individuals for not paying taxes from certain incomes. In other words, if you earn money by, for example, walking with a button accordion at weddings or selling vegetables grown in your own garden on the market, the Ministry of Economic Development tells you: buy a patent for employment, and work for your pleasure. From the amount that a person will pay when buying a patent, funds will be deducted to social funds. The patent itself is a kind of analogy of a patent that today is issued for labor to a migrant who has arrived in Russia.

On the one hand, everything looks reasonable. If a person conducts a certain type of activity that brings him income, then by law he must attend to paying taxes. If a person receives income, but does not pay taxes from this income, then, again, according to our laws, he is a violator of tax legislation. Yes ... And the old woman who sells seeds at the station, and not the most successful artist, who managed to sell one of the 199 paintings in his garage a year ... The law is harsh and he makes these people need to register their "business", or on a new proposal for the purchase of a patent.

On the other hand, the law in our country is harsh, but only a scythe. After all, having returned to the proposal of the Ministry of Economic Development, it turns out that a teacher who wants to add additional income to his meager salary, giving several private lessons a month at home, is an infringer (or even a criminal), then an official , which caused billions of dollars in damage to the state treasury by the fact that “behind his back someone inappropriately disposed of state property” - the injured person ... Some, you know, need to be brought out of the “shadow” without fail, and you think that money is “shoveling” unbeknownst to Min konomrazvitiya ... And the other - you need at the state level, moral support, a new warm place with a benefits package and perks to arrange.

No one argues with the fact that taxes on income received must be paid. This is the law. But you just need to monitor the observance of the law, not only by the merchants of seeds, and not only by the wedding accordion ... Or is the law with us all the same selective even in this direction? ..

20 million Russians will withdraw from the "shadow"


By the way, it is worth touching on the more than the piquant question of the illegal business in every sense of the word. Well, for example, will the priestesses of love, who in the evening sometimes with whole “jambs” float to the “fish” places of large cities, will buy a patent? .. Also, the “shadow” employment ... Answer: of course they won't, because their activities is illegal, and tax authorities are not going to give patents for illegal activities, because law enforcement agencies should prevent illegal activities ... But the whole problem is that it is often law enforcement agencies who are involved in issuing “patents” of to the criminal business (from the business of prostitution to the activities of underground casinos). Here, obviously, not to pay rubles per month for 1000, but the principle is the same - pay for our “patent”, and we give you easy to work ... And it’s the same work, and they manage to ignore the criminal law letter completely. But in the end it turns out that the “free artist” who did not buy the patent (at least the same notorious wedding accordionist) may turn out to be in the development of “organs”, and Snezhana’s “moth” (yes, all law-abiding Snezhana) will not with the law, or rather, with the head of the ROVD on “you” (well, or on “you” with the head of the ROVD, not she, but her “snow conveyer”) ...

With the onset of the global crisis, and especially after the introduction of new (twice the previous ones) deductions from entrepreneurial activities, many Russians from the number of entrepreneurs who suffered fiasco found themselves in difficult conditions. The burden on the business for many has become unbearable. If in January 2012, the number of registered entrepreneurs and those entrepreneurs that ceased their operations was almost equal, today the closing structures of private (usually small) business are almost 3 times more than the opening ones (less than 40 thousands are open, only 112 thousands are closed in one month). Over the past year, the number of IPs closed by more than 400 thousand exceeds the number of IPs open! This is a clear indication that in the approaches to the base of private business in Russia you need to change something publicly ... If you do not change further, but rely on "stick" measures, then people, concerned about the fact that the state frankly distances itself from support small businesses, will try to look for other options for the application of their forces and opportunities for income. Hence the increase in the number of "shadow".

A man once opened a clothing repair workshop, in which, in addition to him, there were, for example, two more people, regularly paid all the required deductions, conducted a legal private business. Then an unexpected idea from the state - to increase the deductions to various funds by half, and the sewing workshop (like thousands of other similar entrepreneurs) was unable to withstand such a burden. To work at a loss, being credited in banks, just to “get rid” of the tax authorities is no longer a business, but masochism ... The only way out is not to close the workshop, but to close it legally. And now no deductions, no taxes ... And who benefited from this? State - no? The staff of this workshop is also not, because they have to work at their own peril and risk. And now the Ministry of Economic Development encourages such employees to acquire patents for work. One of the variants of what this may lead to under the current system is a rampant corruption. The fact is that if a person receives a patent, then he indicates exactly where he works, and what type of activity he does ... And if so, then the same regulatory bodies will also be interested in the employer who provides such services. The employer has the following outputs: a) spit on everything and close his workshop, b) get out of the shadows and get bogged down in debt, c) give him a “paw” to fall behind ... The third option, for some reason, seems the most realistic in the face of harsh reality. .. I would like to believe that this is a deep mistake of the author ...

For your information:

The share of small business in Russia's GDP (according to the data of the Presidential Commissioner for the Protection of Entrepreneurs' Rights) is less than 25% (President Putin himself spoke of 21%, the Ministry of Economic Development talks of 19%);
the share of small businesses in US GDP - 52%;
the share of small businesses in Germany’s GDP is 56%;
the share of small businesses in China is 60%;
The share of small businesses in Brazil is about 60%.


As they say, there is something to strive for ...
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  1. Sanyht
    Sanyht 19 November 2013 08: 07
    46
    interestingly it turns out: BILLIONS TAKE PLACE AND WITHDRAWAL FROM THE COUNTRY PASSERS AND MRODERS, AND WE WILL BE CUTTING GRANDS TRADING POTATOES, without paying 110% of income tax ??? PROGRESS ???
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 19 November 2013 08: 28
      18
      Quote: Sanyht
      ??? PROGRESS ???

      Yeah, parasitic progress!
      1. sancho
        sancho 19 November 2013 16: 03
        14
        The Ministry of Economic Development tells you: buy a patent for work, and work for yourself. From the amount that a person will pay when buying a patent, funds will be deducted to social funds.

        Here amused, so amused ... We know these social funds, bags without holes. And, to put there the head of Serdyukov, and, even better, Chubais.

        And, if on a serious basis you need to look for the cause of the problem, and not fight it! We must make sure that people themselves are interested in paying taxes! So that they know where they are going! And not to the corporation for the development of Nano technologies, nor to the "silicon valley" - Skolkovo. And, in medicine, the army, education.
        In other words in free medicine in worthy Army support, free and affordable primary and higher education!
        Yes, so that the GDP and DAM, and others like them, really show their income from oil and gas dollars and pay taxes from them as well. Then the people will say, we will do as our rulers.

        And when at the top a thief sits on a thief and chases a thief, here comes tax evasion, salaries in envelopes, gas in the USA, unemployment in Honduras, salaries in Brazil, corruption in Somalia.
        1. Massik
          Massik 19 November 2013 20: 23
          +2
          It is necessary to make people themselves interested in paying taxes!
          No, the state didn’t give me a dime for nothing, and I have to pay him, they are completely stupefied.
          1. sancho
            sancho 20 November 2013 10: 15
            +2
            Dear, you think narrowly. And, your thinking is to understand that if the state has not given you anything, then I won’t give anything either!
            Sorry. Did you serve in the army? If so, then explain why the Army is financed. Right with taxes! Ah, you don’t want to deduct there ... How is it?

            Another question is that, ideally, it should be something like this: - Every person should know that he is socially secure and this provision is guaranteed to him by the state through social programs! Namely - excellent medical care, on excellent, modern equipment and throughout Russia. - Good and affordable housing, and even better received in the social. programs with minimal own costs (I am still surprised that this is not possible in our vast territory ???). - Free primary and higher education, where your children will be given it no worse than in the years of the USSR. - Decent work and decent pay. Energy should cost real and not nominally at the whim of the oligarchs (an example for comparison, in Saudi Arabia the average price per liter of gasoline is 55 fils (US $ 0,14), in Qatar - 70 fils (US $ 0,19), in Kuwait - 95 fils (US $ 0,25), Bahrain - 1 dirham (US $ 0,27) and Oman - 1,51 dirhams (US $ 0,41).
            And, with all these decided social. questions, you will say later that your taxes are not deducted in vain! But, this is idyllic. But I would like in reality!
        2. PSih2097
          PSih2097 19 November 2013 21: 24
          0
          Quote: sancho
          gas in the USA

          Not Like in the USA, HOW IN EUROPE ...
        3. kontrol
          kontrol 19 November 2013 21: 41
          +3
          and where does corruption come in? Here, the head of Gazprom has a salary of 25 green dummies, about AvtoVAZ’s lava - about 360 million rubles, and even at the beloved main red forelock, something in the region of 150 G.Sechin acquired 2 billion shares of Rosneft for two transactions. rubles, and how could he? And you say corruption. Yes, for one miller to give a salary, 96000000000m3 of gas
    2. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 19 November 2013 09: 42
      14
      Quote: Sanyht
      PROGRESS ???
      laughing

      Now these things - O P T I M I Z A C I I .
      In everything, without exception. In this case, the optimization of tax collections ...
      "Optimization" now, in production, is the reduction of positions, and, as a consequence, the informal (!), Shifting of duties onto the remaining employees. Rave! But it works. As a result, we teach - a lousy performance of our own duties, and certainly (and h.er THEM!) "For show", the performance of secondary ones. And because - H.EP THEM.
      THEM - the concept is extensive. This is the management of the enterprise, and all BLUE PIGand government and SMART Putin.
      Only for the benefit of the country, Russia, it does not work. Well, they put us, "cancer" ...
      By the way, the word "enterprise", I mean, in a broad sense - medicine, education, everyone who produces FOOD, factories ...

      So according to the article - untilOPTIMIZED ???
      And further -
      Quote: Sanyht
      , AND WE WILL CATCH THE GRANDS, TRADING POTATOES


      Well, Medvedev, we all know laughing
      However ... like Putin.

      ONE, don’t even WANT HOW BETTER. At IIIH, and so it turns out - AS ALWAYS !
      1. afire
        afire 19 November 2013 10: 13
        +7
        Hello to Prime Minister Dima Debilov. In the morning the news was supposedly our Dimchik issued a decree that from now on it is necessary to additionally supply cars with a radio tag so that these henchmen do not evade fines and that we know exactly whose car under the camera flew under 150. Only Dima is not aware that cars fly like this with foreign numbers and do not care for their real owner on his tags. Brake
        1. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. 19 November 2013 11: 20
          +5
          Quote: afire
          Brake


          WHO??? I'm talking about Medvedev VOOOOOOObshcheI do not write anything - he laughing
          Who is the brake?



          Putin All questions to him.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 11: 42
          +4
          Quote: afire
          Only Dima is not aware that cars with foreign numbers fly like that and do not care for their real owner on his marks. Brake

          Yes, really, and the youth goes to every BMW according to the rules. Or maybe they come to us from Germany to drive along the streets of Moscow
          1. fennekRUS
            fennekRUS 19 November 2013 22: 02
            +3
            it’s no longer the youth who flies, but the head of the traffic police, the vice-mayor and other lackeys — the hand washes his hand.
    3. APES
      APES 19 November 2013 11: 09
      +7
      Quote: Sanyht
      And we will catch the grandmothers


      well, yes, Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov quietly - nervously smoking aside
    4. CHILD
      CHILD 19 November 2013 11: 16
      10
      lately, the world elites do not need small business ... they no longer need the support of the middle class, which means there is no point in tolerating small business ... let alone helping))))) so I suspect the process of squeezing out is going on all over the world .. and it's even easier for ours, he didn't even have time to develop in our country .... now he won't have time ... "everything for people", I won't be surprised if we will soon be forced to pay for living in the country) ))))
    5. AVV
      AVV 19 November 2013 12: 05
      +3
      When we introduce a progressive tax rate, and it starts working normally, then it will be possible to work with other types of revenues! And so the Ministry of Economic Development followed the simplest and most unfair way to raise funds !!! And 13 percent for those who raises billions, and 13% for ordinary taxpayers, this is nonsense, shifting the tax burden from the super rich to the common people !!!
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 19 November 2013 12: 52
        +5
        Quote: AVV
        13 percent for those who row billions

        The tax on passive income (dividends on shares, interest on bank deposits, etc.) is 9%.
      2. yashacat
        yashacat 25 December 2015 09: 23
        0
        I agree. I need a progressive income tax and regressive on the profit of firms.
    6. Babon
      Babon 19 November 2013 12: 36
      +6
      And how many illegal immigrants work freely? No taxes, nothing from them to the budget, is that normal? Even at the level of the president they discussed the problem, but in my opinion there will be no sense. And they want to rip off the potatoes from the grandmother.
      1. vvvvv
        vvvvv 19 November 2013 15: 16
        -3
        What grandmothers and potatoes ?! Do not carry all of you together nonsense about the grandmother.
        Going to some extremes. We are talking about people like me, whom millions and who are annoyed by the tax bureaucracy. People earn very good money and are in the shade. Without troubles with the tax, I was ready to pay more for a patent, but not monthly, but immediately annual or multi-year. If they have the intelligence again not to complicate.
        I have many friends who make money in the shade. And I myself. The authorities act wisely, and the people disappoint me with their stupidity and just to scold the authorities. Just already enrages all this stupid nagging in all social. networks, and here, that the power depresses everyone all, that Putin has bothered everyone. Only lazy people and mediocrity are poor. Though get out of my mind now, but that is my opinion.
        I make good money, like so many who move. And he’s ready to pay taxes, and what is needed is not a pity, but only if without bureaucracy and simplified. And here you are defending stupidity and drawn grandmothers.
        1. Ustas
          Ustas 19 November 2013 15: 53
          +1
          Quote: vvvvv
          What grandmothers and potatoes ?! Do not carry all of you together nonsense about the grandmother. Going to some extremes. We are talking about people like me, whom millions and who are annoyed by the tax bureaucracy.


          Quote: vvvvv
          I make good money, like so many who move. And I’m ready to pay taxes, - it’s not a pity, but only without bureaucracy and simplified.

          You are talking nonsense. What is the tax bureaucracy? To open an IP, 15 minutes is enough, and 400 rubles. And there is no simpler "Simplified". I gave 6% of the turnover to the state and sleep well. It is more difficult if you hire workers. Social tax will have to be paid.
          You can read everything into the tax report as simple as possible on the STI website, and if you are smart enough to knock on the keys here in VO, you can figure it out.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 19 November 2013 17: 39
            +2
            Quote: Ustas
            You are talking nonsense. What is the tax bureaucracy? To open an IP, 15 minutes is enough, and 400 rubles. And there is no simpler "Simplified". I gave 6% of the turnover to the state and sleep well. It is more difficult if you hire workers. Social tax will have to be paid.

            And you, dear Ustas practically faced with these simple things? Honestly only?
            1. alone
              alone 19 November 2013 20: 09
              +1
              According to data released by the Ministry of Economic Development, about 20 of millions of Russians are working, quote: “in the shade”: someone is digging potatoes for money, someone is engaged in tutoring at home, someone is sewing clothes, someone is designing websites, someone legal assistance through the Internet provides. Using some progressive formulas, the Ministry of Economic Development considered that all these 20 millions of “shadow businesses” (by the way, a few months ago the figure was already expressed in 39 millions of working people “in the shadow” of Russians) do not allow, let's say, to get all budget segments around 240 billion rubles per year.

              Probably little was stolen. Now they put 240 billion eyes on them.
            2. Ustas
              Ustas 20 November 2013 07: 07
              0
              Quote: Cynic
              Have you respected Ustas faced with these simple things?

              Yes. Summer.
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 20 November 2013 13: 01
                +1
                Quote: Ustas
                In summer.

                In summer, autumn, winter, spring, and so on since 1999!
                So I think we have a difference in knowledge and perception of the simplicity of reference and about bureaucracy.
          2. Botanologist
            Botanologist 19 November 2013 21: 48
            +4
            Quote: Ustas
            And there is no simpler "Simplified". I gave 6% of the turnover to the state and sleep well. It is more difficult if you hire workers. Social tax will have to be paid.


            And why do you think small business closes? Because since 2013 of the year bang. reporting is complete! And for this you need to hire an accountant. And deductions you will have 38% POP and 13% PIT. And here's a simple question - why should I pay personal income tax and FOP, if you still have a minimum pension?
            Therefore, small business closes - no one wants to play gambling with the state.
            1. Ustas
              Ustas 20 November 2013 13: 30
              +2
              Quote: Botanologist
              Therefore, small business closes - no one wants to play gambling with the state.

              Well what to say. In the summer I closed. Helped open up to a friend. Now I have him in a hire. But I feel that he is also hiding.
              Only the conversation I lead to the fact that both IP and patents are all "games of reason" (unreasonable) with the state. Therefore, soon they will have no one to take taxes from.
              Oh, we’re slipping back to the 90s, when no one paid taxes.
              Government Prime Minister resigned!
          3. jjj
            jjj 20 November 2013 03: 51
            0
            You have to pay tax for yourself, too. But it's not that. Simply, if you have an individual entrepreneur, then it is imperative to keep accounting records. Patents that are bought for a year are a good thing, especially if you had to "darken" for a long time. And here, for the last two years before retirement, it was officially registered and the maximum bonus, you can count, is in your pocket. You don't even need to collect salary certificates. Only now the state has the right to revise the list of types of employment covered by the patent system. So this year furniture makers had to go into the shadows. But the bandits immediately imposed a tribute on them. The bandits now feel very confident.
            Another misfortune is structures affiliated with officials. There is a total sweep of the market from competitors with the help of regulatory and law enforcement agencies. And so all this tax base as a result passes from the budget to the common fund.
            And finally, about grandmothers. If her land is listed as "for running a personal subsidiary farm", then she can sell products from her garden without any patent and tax deduction. But if she bought vegetables at a wholesale warehouse and resells, then this is already an illegal business activity.
    7. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 20 November 2013 00: 30
      0
      Quote: Sanyht
      interestingly it turns out: BILLIONS TAKE PLACE AND WITHDRAWAL FROM THE COUNTRY PASSERS AND MRODERS, AND WE WILL BE CUTTING GRANDS TRADING POTATOES, without paying 110% of income tax ??? PROGRESS ???


      As the headline read, an aphorism on this topic was immediately born:

      "20 million Russians will be taken out of the shadows, and 40 million guest workers will be hidden in the shadows."
  2. alex56
    alex56 19 November 2013 08: 08
    14
    From my own experience, I can say that the idea with a patent is generally good. But there are two "BUT":
    First, taxes are nothing compared to contributions to a pension fund. Even now, taxes on individual entrepreneurs are feasible, but 36 thousand in retirement is an excess;
    Secondly, even if the pension contributions are thrown back, what will give me a patent? What are the advantages? Without getting anything in return, it’s hard for a person to give up his money.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 19 November 2013 08: 12
      +6
      Let them figure it out with the "black" salary, otherwise I'm afraid the pension will be crumbs
      1. alex56
        alex56 19 November 2013 08: 16
        +9
        You are rightly afraid (All those who work after the collapse of the USSR can only rely on a social minimum. It does not matter how many people get their hands on, most employers, if they deduct to the pension fund, then with a minimum salary. So you can forget about pension (
        1. skeptic
          skeptic 19 November 2013 23: 51
          0
          Quote: alex56
          No matter how many people get their hands on, most employers, if they deduct to the pension fund, then with a minimum salary. So you can forget about retirement


          You can count it yourself. Medvedev receives about 200 thousand officially, planning to work over 10 years, according to the PF system - his pension was counted about 80 thousand. Taking into account that he was not unemployed, he did not sit on a "black" salary, i.e. having a full, to the eyeballs, work experience. So, you can estimate for yourself how far you will go from the minimum wage.
      2. alex86
        alex86 19 November 2013 08: 26
        23
        In our country, half of the economy is supported by "black" wages, if translated into "white" - the salaries of people who previously received in an envelope will fall by 30-40% - whoever agrees to this - or prices for everything should rise by 20% - also not well. At the same time, the main taxpayers will have doubts about the expediency of spending these taxes. Let me explain: today 1000 people received 30 rubles each in an envelope - these incomes will not be taken abroad, they will be spent on food and clothes here; made these incomes white, they paid taxes (from 000 million) about 30% (conditionally), i.e. 40 million that went into the budget, half of them (12 million) were stolen. We collected money from 6 people and bought a villa on the Cote d'Azur. The rest went to raise the salaries of officials. Pensioners will get a cookie with butter.
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 19 November 2013 10: 13
          -7
          Somehow your "economy" is very doubtful, the question is objectively raised from the wrong side.
        2. Alex toll
          Alex toll 19 November 2013 10: 27
          +1
          I think it is necessary to change the tax structure !!!! There is an exit !!! In this situation, we pay with RFP from Business, etc. - this is such a staff of state employees that they don’t work, but jo ... grow up - We need to make a purchase tax - and then we can divide the poor, the rich and the middle class!
          The example is certainly not ice, but there is some truth and logic
          Let's start) In the US, there is one cool thing that struck me - each state taxes the purchase i.e. bought a pack of cigarettes - pay tax on IT !!! and in each state it is different (we have Moscow region and say Izhevsk, Kirov, Vologda, etc.) and here you can divide the groups of goods - let's say food tax .... (You won't profit much, but benefits to manufacturers), vehicles to million tax ...... from million tax more - the principle is clear ??? and basically let them pay from a bank card and money in the "house-bank"))) i.e. work and the attachment to the personality will be - there is a moment of control of officials and this entire staff of state employees who sit in the Tax and similar structures will follow these officials + wives + children, etc. Watch and ask questions WHERE YOU HAVE WITH .. AND SUCH five million on accounts with a salary of 1 million a year !!!!!! or how could you afford a car for 5 million with a salary ......, but this only applies to officials and other law enforcement agencies.
          As a result, we get the base of all bureaucrats !!! And large purchases only by bank transfer, but you just buy a tax to pay in value and that's it! And Gos. the device will be under control - it makes no sense to take bribes in cash, and where will you get it later ????

          In this scheme, all the money in sight and hiding income does not make sense at all, and you can only spend the left on food (if we look at the obesity of some Governor, you’ll immediately tell Bribe Taker !!! - hahaha). You can’t buy an apartment or a car and the banking system works and taxes are paid from PURCHASE, and not from official income)))) And at least the cash goes around the country (Bribes, etc. It will be more difficult to give - there’s nowhere to put it all the money for accounts !!! and, accordingly, loans, etc. must be cheaper than money; more in the banking system it will turn out !!!), and to get it - you have to try very hard - well, in general it’s a skeleton - who can finish adding that, only let's essentially without g ... but forum !!!!

          And the factories will have a minimum of taxes on production and more salaries to workers and the average salary will grow and money will be paid to people and companies will appear that will accumulate money and invest them in the production or development of something - Investment companies - an example - because the state will be more profitable if people spend more will be - it is necessary to make people want and can spend money, rather than sticking under the pillow, and investing the surpluses somewhere in stocks - gold, and from this there will be a pension and everything else !!!
          Let's all work hard, add the diagram below in the answer! So the answer will be !!! Let these be just words, but not stupid people sit on this site and there are officials and deputies, I’m more than confident and, in general, all sections of society and the military, etc.
          1. Ustas
            Ustas 19 November 2013 12: 31
            +7
            Quote: Alex Toll
            Need to make a purchase tax

            When buying goods in a store, we already pay tax. The tax on the goods was included in the price of the goods. Do you offer to pay tax in excess of the already built-in goods? Or do you propose to cancel existing taxes and introduce a new one?
            About the non-cash. I just don’t trust the banking system and funds. How many times have bank savings turned to dust.
            If I had big money, I would have kept it in a stocking under my pillow laughing
            1. Alex toll
              Alex toll 19 November 2013 13: 00
              0
              yes, our tax is included in the purchase of VAT, but you pay a bunch of deductions and the employer also pays for you if you work officially, etc. - this is also a tax and it does not matter under what official version you pay it, but you pay it. - here let it be 18%, but + to this for certain groups of goods - food (Minimum), and due to such purchases as apartments, cars are expensive, yachts, I don't know, well, all such a plan is higher tax and compensates for other preferential positions and the employer there will be no point in hiding income (and he will pay more to employees and officially arrange, and it will be easier for an employee to take a loan) and it will be easier for him to take loans for a business when it is clear that a living company and% on them should be less in this situation because there, and the risks of non-return are laid down and all kinds of garbage - if the money appears in circulation, i.e. on bank transfer and in the same place Salary transferred - there is more money in non-cash - the cost of the loan is less than the cost of their maintenance is less and the return is more guaranteed and the business sphere will be easier to work - when you know that your partner this year has carried out activities for say $ 100 million. and pays loans - there will be more transparent relations in business, and therefore PAs and individual entrepreneurs will not be closed once every three years, and then they will be reopened. Further Banks - I do not trust private ones either, but confirmed by state. I can guarantee it, but let's say "Fund" is an investment company - say Sibur, Gazprom, Lukoil and something else - are you ready to invest your savings in their shares? and receive dividends from them, and in fact the shares can be sold or invested in gold? well, or somewhere else, but with an increase in profits? and diddends go to your salary, and the surplus goes to stocks and brings, what ??? dividends ..... And your "Surplus invested" does not disappear - they are in stocks, gold, but it does not matter - the main thing is to bring and this is called the accumulated state and your pension)))))

              WE HAVE A PROBLEM THAT THEY CAN NOT COLLECT TAXES FROM ALL AND SIMPLY DO NOT PAY ANYTHING AND TAKE Bribes so that they can sit better and a bunch of authorities control the other and pump out funds from the budget for the RFP and expenses and just careless state employees. our taxes are eaten with you - to cut it out by a third is the minimum - let them work go to the factory not to eat from our pockets. Here, the costs will be less for the maintenance of state. apparatus

              A 100% non-cash only officials, state. and plant employees - we need to know that they are honest ....... And I'm more than sure - there will be ideological people who will earn good money, but will not rob people - because the feeder is covered .......
              1. Ustas
                Ustas 19 November 2013 14: 00
                +6
                Quote: Alex Toll
                - here let 18% remain

                Quote: Alex Toll
                And he will pay more to employees and officially arrange

                Yes, the employer will not pay the employee a higher salary, at least they will leave VAT, at least they will eliminate it. Unfortunately, such is the system of capitalism, which is imprisoned for even greater profit.
                And our government is capitalist. From such diby taxes.

                Quote: Alex Toll
                WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN THAT THEY CAN'T COLLECT FROM ALL TAXES

                So this is not our problem, but the violation of the structure of production. You won’t earn on one pipe. And more and no one to take taxes. Industry stands and does not develop. So the ministers are inventing to take taxes from the seeds selling grandmothers.
                1. Babon
                  Babon 19 November 2013 14: 27
                  +1
                  Absolutely, here I have a classmate became the director of the store. I’m not going to pay anything else to anyone, besides, I remember when the dollar went down, the cost of goods fell, he rubbed his hands with pleasure, wherever he could drive to rest on a hill, and change his car. My question is, is it possible to lower prices in the store, in response to fluctuations in the dollar exchange rate (I, naive, blundered this to me after studying economics at the university), he looked at me with very surprised eyes, like I was trying to take his profit. and he said to his employees that he would pay the minimum to the pension fund, let them think about the rest themselves, old age is a private matter, it certainly doesn’t bother him. Although he somehow argued, in Europe it was cool, there the employer would first think about the toilet for employees, and not about his car. But the words somehow diverge from the deed. And if he had the opportunity, he could be such an effective manager. I just still know a lot of cases, it's a long time to paint.
                2. Alex toll
                  Alex toll 19 November 2013 15: 18
                  0
                  Here I am connected with the production! I justify everything))))

                  Let's start with the last one so it will be more correct .....

                  The production problem cannot be produced, but then what to do and sell it to someone for money - an advance payment, and the buyer of a large wholesale also has a problem to sell - the population has no money - everything follows from the previous link

                  Then it stands because there is no demand or sale market as you want to say, but there is no need to produce and fill warehouses if there is no demand for a product or at least a plan to increase sales ......

                  Industry - yes, it’s destroyed, but where the factories operate at 10% the rest is mothballed and is waiting in the wings - if the end user has money to buy, then he has a demand, it doesn’t matter what, even for a nail, at least for a shovel - I can paint about groups - well, such as building materials or paintwork, furniture industry, plastics - these are mainly industries of consumer goods, and they take their roots in mechanical engineering, etc. - Now this is all imports - from the CIS, too, imports, so that it is clear.

                  And in the end, we have the following picture - people don’t even have money to buy a can of paint, and as a result, the rest of the plants that produce pigments, solvents, bases, varnishes, etc. reduce the output of finished products because buyers of large wholesale just do not buy it, and retail sales also excuse me in the pope due to the fact that the people have no money - you see the cycle .....

                  Further, about the salary - there is such a thing as the minimum salary and the minimum wage in the industry and state. company. and they won’t let go of their accumulated brains and learn new ones (example. I’m leaving there, then there’s more money - let's raise a sn for you, and the others will also want a normal one and there will be the same conversation, and if the leader doesn’t ..... he will do I’ll set the plans and tasks - here’s the production plan for you - I’m exaggerating of course, but I don’t know how to explain it to you) - not right away, but before that they’ll finish at least in a year - at least in two - when you need a technologist let's say you are looking for production in the end, you outbid it, and this is easiest to do with a competitor - just give more money and the person will leave (Labor exchange - look at the word exchange - this is not a tender where the price decreases) they will raise otherwise employees will leave and look for where it is warmer, but such there will be enterprises that have orders and work at full capacity and the loss of a link is a disaster for them, and besides, new plants will also need labor - who took the money where ??? right of the loans that received from where ???? right !

                  Such a tendency towards movement will be created - this will be the reaction of people when "Your brother or friend left the old employer - paid little to another there salary higher or for another position" - and after hearing this, you think ??? !!! or will you sit there wiping your pants or try to do something and tear it off .... from the chair?

                  This is of course a theory, but I am enraged by the idiots in the government who are only trying to overcome the people, but are not able to earn by accumulating at all. There is a turnover - the turnover should work, and not settle in stockings ..........
          2. Babon
            Babon 19 November 2013 12: 51
            +1
            Maybe I'm wrong, is not such a tax called VAT? Which we already pay. It’s just that Europe is a little different from ours. Just remember why Depardieu fled to us? In France, of course, an inflection, but in other countries you can see how.
            1. Alex toll
              Alex toll 19 November 2013 13: 45
              +2
              Duck and let it remain, I wrote my position above! I’m not a politician or an economist, but there’s a log in the eye - Our bourgeois and bribe takers have become bolder and generally ....... And the people pay for them - for each arranged daughter of a judge with a salary of 30 tr, or even two daughters who do not know where their place of work is - have never been there ..............

              Here my thoughts are how to reduce costs and make the Higher Estate pay bills, as well as how everyone should work for the economy and earn money for a comfortable old age - everything in a circle - everything in the house ..........
              1. Babon
                Babon 19 November 2013 13: 56
                +2
                So what am I in the West about? Pay more taxes. It turns out for us, so that the wealthy pay the same as the poor. As in France, of course, it is not necessary, but you can consider the example of Germany.
      3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 19 November 2013 08: 31
        +6
        Quote: ivshubarin
        Let them figure it out with the "black" salary, otherwise I'm afraid the pension will be crumbs

        With such wild taxes and salary insurance, I’m afraid it will not be soon!) Rather it will not (I mean a small medium-sized business), the turnover is not the same! + 18% VAT, which no one pays in fact, we need serious changes in the tax system.
        PS If the company pays all taxes, it must also remain to the state! hi
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 19 November 2013 09: 25
          +3
          Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
          18% VAT, which no one pays after

          What makes you think that no one pays it?
          Quote: alex56
          You are rightly afraid (All those who work after the collapse of the USSR can only rely on a social minimum. It does not matter how many people get their hands on, most employers, if they deduct to the pension fund, then with a minimum salary. So you can forget about pension

          If the people-citizens do not take to the streets and show the authorities that such a "reform" is not needed, then it will be so.
      4. Ustas
        Ustas 19 November 2013 08: 50
        +7
        Quote: ivshubarin
        Let them figure it out with the "black" salary, otherwise I'm afraid the pension will be crumbs

        And you think, when they figure it out, your pension will increase? Did the new state throw you a little?
        1. alone
          alone 19 November 2013 20: 11
          0
          Quote: ivshubarin
          Let them figure it out with the "black" salary, otherwise I'm afraid the pension will be crumbs


          you still have to live to retirement, if you really look at life! crying
      5. Scoun
        Scoun 19 November 2013 11: 50
        +5
        Quote: ivshubarin
        Let them deal with the "black" salary

        This is how they deal with the "gray" salaries of ordinary employees, for example, an employee has an official of 10000 thousand rubles, 13% is deducted from it, this is the visible part and then the office itself must deduct a bunch of other deductions for this employee, and with each increase in salary, all deductions grow and big business has its own large incomes quite successfully take away from such deductions ... and they are trying to shove everything off on ordinary people ...
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 19 November 2013 17: 43
      +3
      Quote: alex56
      What are the advantages?

      If you believe the advertisement _ A good night's sleep.
  3. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 19 November 2013 08: 09
    +3
    The luxury tax was never introduced, only on cars, and gold, diamonds
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 08: 16
      +4
      Quote: ivshubarin
      and gold, diamonds

      This is not a luxury, but an investment-oops wink
    2. Fin
      Fin 19 November 2013 10: 39
      +5
      Quote: ivshubarin
      The luxury tax was never introduced, only on cars, and gold, diamonds

      Who will impose a tax on themselves. Scoundrel state.
      to receive about 240 billion rubles a year for all segments of the budget.

      Science fiction. Even if they introduce it, they will collect 2–3 billion at the exit. For non-payment, they will write a strict 5 years and a fine of 1 million. They steal hundreds of billions and grandmothers are guilty that the budget is scarce.
  4. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 19 November 2013 08: 20
    +5
    They also promised a tax on compensation for violations of privatization for oligarchs, but they are silent
  5. makarov
    makarov 19 November 2013 08: 23
    14
    Yes, everything is much simpler. People, making sure that the state doesn’t need them, and are only interested in the form of disenfranchised taxpayers, applied a kind of protest form: - a cookie to you, not our earned money.
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 19 November 2013 08: 44
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      Yes, everything is much simpler.

      Sure. When
      the government frankly distances itself from supporting small business,

      what else can we talk about except cookies. Payments to the budget, and even all sorts of testers are nothing surprising.
  6. predator.3
    predator.3 19 November 2013 08: 26
    11
    about 20 million Russians are working, quote: “in the shade”: someone digs potatoes for money, someone does tutoring at home, someone sews clothes, someone draws up websites, someone provides legal assistance via the Internet. Using some progressive formulas, the Ministry of Economic Development considered that all these 20 million “shadow workers” (by the way, a few months ago the figure was announced as many as 39 million working people “in the shadow” of Russians)

    Well it is from a good life that they dig potatoes, do tutoring and sit in the transitions and beg for money!
  7. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 19 November 2013 08: 29
    -4
    All problems can be solved by transferring everything to bank transfer, what the hell
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 19 November 2013 09: 18
      +4
      For this, there are bank cards that you will be completely under the control of the fiscal authorities, so I always prefer cash.
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 19 November 2013 12: 33
        +4
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        completely under fiscal control-so I always prefer cash.

        +++ I pay 99% in cash ....
        otherwise they will keep an eye on "my" expenses.
        PS.
        By the way, cards such as discount, accumulative, bonus types - "Crossroads" make it easy to track what a person is doing and his declared income)))) wassat
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 19 November 2013 12: 41
      +7
      Quote: ivshubarin
      All problems can be solved by transferring everything to bank transfer

      and he implanted the microchip on his forehead))) went to the checkout counter, brought the reader to his forehead .... and beep beep - your account is blocked, your passport is canceled, it is recommended that you independently arrive at the utilizer. It will not work in the forest or where else, for taxes on air, on berries / mushrooms, on water will be imposed on all scrap deviators.
      Straight twisted .. barcode on hand = print of satan on hand.
      1. Stas
        Stas 19 November 2013 14: 29
        +5
        Scoun
        Straight shook .. barcode on the hand = seal of Satan on the hand.

        I agree with you. Medvedev and the company have long been pushing ideas with a single electronic card (money, documents, insurance, etc. everything is on the heap). That is, they want to ensure total control over the person, and if you do not agree to live like a slave, they will block the card, account and everything else. On the contrary, they stole this card from you safely - and you are nobody and nothing, and even without money for existence. The government is conducting outright genocide of the local population and does not understand this or do not want to understand only blind or shell-shocked people.
  8. dark_65
    dark_65 19 November 2013 08: 30
    +6
    Pay? I have experience in paying taxes since the 90th year, never again, and to anyone.
  9. Same lech
    Same lech 19 November 2013 08: 35
    +8
    In the coffin, I saw such patents, which means I hired a man-tractor driver to dig up a garden in the country, be kind enough to pay the tax and not be greasy (it means you didn’t collect the crop and already pay the tax - utopia and nonsense will never do this)
  10. Ustas
    Ustas 19 November 2013 08: 39
    +9
    The Ministry of Economic Development decided to take the initiative to give self-employed (this is a term from the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade) employees a special type of patent that allows them to conduct this or that activity without registering with the tax structures of an individual enterprise.

    And for those who poke money in their pockets, also buy a patent?
    And homeless people digging potatoes for a bubble, in milligrams, should they pay the state?
    And for those who are sweeping money from the treasury, that patent is probably indulgence and a blessing for more.
    Those who don’t want to get such a patent are reminded of possible problems of an administrative and even criminal nature

    And you go catch this one.

    I get the impression, no, I’m just firmly convinced that our country has an incompetent (to put it mildly) government. They are looking for money not there and not from those. Aw, gentlemen, the government, you will shock them at the oligarchs, by means of a progressive tax, you will find more.
  11. Yura
    Yura 19 November 2013 08: 43
    +8
    E-hey, the Ministry of Economic Development in this case, you went over, and with the initiative went over and you have to go to taverns less often. Do you want to stir up the most disadvantaged, as well as want to tax the unemployed, who do not care about the employment departments, by the way parasites, even remember that they have little to lose, so the flag is in the hands of the Ministry of Economic Development. There is absolutely no sensible psychiatrists in our country, our ministries urgently need help, but there is help, serious treatment has matured with hospitalization of the Ministry of Economic Development, that's for sure!
  12. Onotollah
    Onotollah 19 November 2013 09: 01
    10
    I propose introducing a tax on officials on a progressive scale. The higher the rank, the higher the payment. In order to compensate for possible abuse, so to speak.
    In general, it’s better to prophylactically plant because you don’t (steal).
    Thus, presidential candidates must sit a certain term in the zone.
    Six years there- six years here.
    A century of will not to see.
  13. Kirzhak
    Kirzhak 19 November 2013 09: 11
    +6
    Some kind of turbidity! They encroached on the sacred! I myself admit that I always worked where you can "shake" And "Schaub, you lived on one salary!" - my bad dream. And five hundred rubles, which the wife does not know, is much more expensive than the five thousand that she knows about.
  14. Alex65
    Alex65 19 November 2013 09: 25
    +8
    The tale of Chippolino becoming a reality, there was an air tax
    1. alone
      alone 19 November 2013 20: 13
      +3
      You also forgot the rain tax with and without lightning. laughing
      1. Yura
        Yura 19 November 2013 23: 04
        0
        Quote: lonely
        you forgot the rain tax with and without lightning

        This tax on our land is paid by almost all people, with the exception of Aboriginal people in the jungle, and those who still live in yarangs and yurts, and if we hid from rain, snow and cold in a house we bought or built, we pay the tax for this is in the form of a real estate tax, insurance companies, utilities, and a bunch of services are also fed to the people who also pay taxes from this property. So the governments of states live well for their citizen not to get wet or get sick, not to freeze, in general, just because a person is forced to have housing so as not to die from the weather.
  15. Averias
    Averias 19 November 2013 09: 56
    +4
    This quote from the article was very amusing: "to conduct this or that activity without registration in the tax structures of an individual enterprise. The preliminary cost of such a patent is also defined and amounts to one thousand rubles a month. Those who do not want to acquire such a patent are reminded of possible problems. administrative and even criminal - on the responsibility of individuals for non-payment of taxes from certain income. "

    What is it like? Even if I buy a patent, I still don’t register with the tax authorities. What kind of tax concealment are we talking about? After all, that with a patent, that without it - the tax authorities do not control income. That is, he bought for a thousand indulgences, and if you have the mind and connections, as well as a considerable bit of arrogance - do financial scams. How to prove how many people did not pay taxes? Another pearl of our officials.
    Maybe then the theft of millions, also issue a patent. And what, all rank by rank. SK comes to you, and you put a patent in their nose - I have everything in order. I am law-abiding, I do not violate anything. Idiocy grows stronger.
  16. Mestny
    Mestny 19 November 2013 10: 09
    +3
    Quote: Averias
    What is it like? Even if I buy a patent, I still don’t register with the tax authorities.

    What's the difference! The goal is to tear off another piece from the population. Controlled there or not is not so important. Someone will buy these patents anyway.
    Well, so, "accordionists at weddings" and the rest, together with the employer, in case of collision of organs, will have to compose a story about the fact that "I don't take money for this, I'm just a relative friend, and so I help."
    1. Averias
      Averias 19 November 2013 10: 12
      0
      I agree with you completely.
  17. Stinger
    Stinger 19 November 2013 10: 17
    +1
    We, measures ... When the next delusional measures are announced, I always remember the words from the author’s song by Timur Shaov:
    We are not a typical country,
    The country is not ordinary.
    We have any action
    Always zero equals ...
  18. aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 November 2013 10: 18
    +1
    Look at world practice on the penalty for tax evasion. China, South Korea, but the same merikatos (ugh on them!) And you see for yourself. If the check is 1 once every three years and then it is NECESSARY to WARN the entrepreneur about this check. Where is the logic !?! It does not fit in the mind that this is possible, but IT exists. And such ancestors will stuff moshna.
    1. Ustas
      Ustas 19 November 2013 12: 46
      +1
      Quote: aszzz888
      If the check is done once every three years, then it is NECESSARY to WARN the entrepreneur about this check.

      I assure you, they (inspectors) and make up for them every three years more than every year. Everyone wants to eat bread and butter, especially for checking officials.
      And "IT IS NECESSARY TO WARN the entrepreneur", as you say, the entrepreneur prepared the loot in advance.
  19. major071
    major071 19 November 2013 10: 29
    +9
    Not the grandmothers who sell seeds in the market should be taken out of the shadows, but our DEAR deputies and other thieves under the state. That's who you need to take money from. Income to the treasury will increase exactly times in 2-3.
  20. pahom54
    pahom54 19 November 2013 10: 48
    +5
    In short, goat.
    Instead of introducing taxes, as in France, on luxury, etc., we will deprive the people of their last opportunity to earn a penny on bread and potatoes. Note that the state did not provide these people - small entrepreneurs - with work, but for the fact that they found work for themselves, they also have to pay this state.
    who submitted this idea, understood at least its meaning? But the point is that the state is likened to a frostbitten bandit robbing a granny who sells dill grown in his garden in order to receive at least some increase in pension.
    So, he dug up a neighbor for a grandmother with a neighbor - pay a thousand a month to the tax authorities. Absurd!
    There is little money in the treasury ??? And who is to blame for this? Why are you shifting the burden of taxes on the poor again? Why the moon and the sun-like will not take a single boyar by the scruff of his neck and ask: And for what x .. and you live so curly? You have a salary, like that of a boyar, 250 000 rubles / month, but EVEN for such a salary you would not be able to buy and maintain the palaces, apartments, cars that you have!
    So the domestic policy of our state, unlike the foreign one, leaves much to be desired not only for its better, but also for its radical change.
  21. ZU-23
    ZU-23 19 November 2013 10: 57
    0
    Amers generally have more than half of the country in the shade, the rest are usually thieves migrants.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 19 November 2013 11: 24
      +1
      Why look up to idiots
  22. Alex toll
    Alex toll 19 November 2013 10: 59
    +2
    I think it is necessary to change the tax structure !!!! There is an exit !!! In this situation, we pay with RFP from Business, etc. - this is such a staff of state employees that they don’t work, but jo ... grow up - We need to make a purchase tax - and then we can divide the poor, the rich and the middle class!
    The example is certainly not ice, but there is some truth and logic
    Let's start) In the US, there is one cool thing that struck me - each state taxes the purchase i.e. bought a pack of cigarettes - pay tax on IT !!! and in each state it is different (we have Moscow region and say Izhevsk, Kirov, Vologda, etc.) and here you can divide the groups of goods - let's say food tax .... (You won't profit much, but benefits to manufacturers), vehicles to million tax ...... from million tax more - the principle is clear ??? and basically let them pay from a bank card and money in the "house-bank"))) i.e. work and the attachment to the personality will be - there is a moment of control of officials and this entire staff of state employees who sit in the Tax and similar structures will follow these officials + wives + children, etc. Watch and ask questions WHERE YOU HAVE WITH .. AND SUCH five million on accounts with a salary of 1 million a year !!!!!! or how could you afford a car for 5 million with a salary ......, but this only applies to officials and other law enforcement agencies.
    As a result, we get the base of all bureaucrats !!! And large purchases only by bank transfer, but you just buy a tax to pay in value and that's it! And Gos. the device will be under control - it makes no sense to take bribes in cash, and where will you get it later ????

    In this scheme, all the money in sight and hiding income does not make sense at all, and you can only spend the left on food (if we look at the obesity of some Governor, you’ll immediately tell Bribe Taker !!! - hahaha). You can’t buy an apartment or a car and the banking system works and taxes are paid from PURCHASE, and not from official income)))) And at least the cash goes around the country (Bribes, etc. It will be more difficult to give - there’s nowhere to put it all the money for accounts !!! and, accordingly, loans, etc. must be cheaper than money; more in the banking system it will turn out !!!), and to get it - you have to try very hard - well, in general it’s a skeleton - who can finish adding that, only let's essentially without g ... but forum !!!!

    And the factories will have a minimum of taxes on production and more salaries to workers and the average salary will grow and money will be paid to people and companies will appear that will accumulate money and invest them in the production or development of something - Investment companies - an example - because the state will be more profitable if people spend more will be - it is necessary to make people want and can spend money, rather than sticking under the pillow, and investing the surpluses somewhere in stocks - gold, and from this there will be a pension and everything else !!!
    Let's all work hard, add the diagram below in the answer! So the answer will be !!! Let these be just words, but not stupid people sit on this site and there are officials and deputies, I’m more than confident and, in general, all sections of society and the military, etc.

    I thought - this is not a comment)))) to the message ...... Administration of the forum I apologize - could not delete!
  23. Baton
    Baton 19 November 2013 11: 14
    +3
    The main function of our state is to collect taxes and the more the better. An inefficient state cannot optimize tax collection, but will only invent new ones.
    There is an idea to appeal to the authorities with a proposal to introduce a tax "on air", and it (the tax) should not be made large so that people "do not act". Enough 5-10 rubles. per month from each person, and whoever will not pay, will "cut off oxygen", and in the literal sense of the word wassat
  24. JonnyT
    JonnyT 19 November 2013 11: 16
    10
    .... They just lose power! More and more people are moving away from the government system .......
    Shish to them! Hire builders, workers, repeaters - pay without registration, even on buses passengers pay and do not take a ticket! They will soon be planted on pitchforks and they think about money, wonderful in one word ... money completely deprived of reason .....

    Did they build roads, put gas and light into every home? We have free and quality medicine ??? Education? Is it safe on the streets and there is no crime and immigrant stranger ?? A decent retired life ??? I think that you yourself know the answer ..... so why the hell should I pay all taxes regularly if they go to the official so that he drinks absolute and bites with black caviar in the Maldives ????
  25. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 19 November 2013 11: 37
    +3
    "Clever and clever girls" are absolute!
    Despite the fact that I work in a rather big structure - not a single accountant-economist, especially in the currency control system, didn’t fall into figs to engage in unnecessary sexual activity with the tax inspectorate or the FSSP.
    Accordingly, the question is: do you get a military pension? - Yes! Would you like to pay more taxes? “Am I completely out of my mind?” - Well, you do not exist in nature!
    Actually, here is the whole scheme of "black" wages. There is a nuance about colleagues who work the same way, but do not have insurance behind their backs in the form of earned pension. They have real problems, literally, in 10 years. Will they have time to escape from the circle of rat races or not - the question!
    Everyone understands everything perfectly. Even the bailiff service asks for a job for pro forma - nothing is possible to prove.
    What are you doing here? “Gathering mushrooms, not for sale.” - Ah, well, of course, there are no questions.
  26. svp67
    svp67 19 November 2013 11: 48
    +7
    20 million Russians will withdraw from the "shadow"
    - But what about all these "Serdyukovs" and "Vasilievs" already simply NOT FROM WHERE TO STEAL, and here 20 million grandmothers are selling potatoes for "THEIR MONEY" ...
  27. mountain
    mountain 19 November 2013 12: 28
    +5
    Something is not good, the authorities have recently taken care of their people. These maneuvers with fines on the roads,
    smoking in public places, and now huge incomes of the population, unaccounted for. And finally, migrant workers.
    Thus, the authorities are trying to distract us from the real problems occurring in our society. Something is not the case and, it seems to me at the wrong time, they decided to tighten the screws. HOW THOUGHT THREADED.
    A place to keep an eye on their officials like SIRDYUKOV and other unlit criminals. Mayors of cities that have collapsed, industry in the regions, and finally OLIGARCHS, princes of modern Russia. The authorities decided to take their biggest problem, the population, by the fingernail.
    You "vlast", have you already given everything to your people - freedom, land, the right to work and provided it with this work? Protected a private entrepreneur, protected their population in cities and villages, and from external and internal enemies?
    What? time to collect stones.
  28. Vladimir65
    Vladimir65 19 November 2013 12: 44
    +8
    Our country is not able to live and develop under the conditions of criminal capitalism. None of the problems such as education, medical services, pensions and the development of the country can be solved. It is necessary to restore the socialist economic system with its planned system, public consumption funds, etc. The absurdity of the economic policy of the current government leaves no choice. The destruction of single-industry towns declared to Medvedev is a confirmation of this.
  29. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 19 November 2013 12: 59
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir65
    The absurdity of the economic policy of the current government leaves no choice. The destruction of single-industry towns declared to Medvedev is a confirmation of this.

    Well, what again? Didn’t talk yesterday? Good King - GDP, which interferes with horseradish boyars, led by Dimon-five iPhones?
    1. Vladimir65
      Vladimir65 19 November 2013 13: 05
      +4
      Who says GDP is a good king? The whole criminal elite is no good.
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 19 November 2013 15: 16
        +2
        “Every state in which private ownership of land and means of production exists, where capital dominates, however democratic it may be, is a capitalist state, it is a machine in the hands of the capitalists to keep the working class and the poorest peasantry in subjection” (В . I. Lenin., MSS, t. 39, p. 81). hi
  30. white_f
    white_f 19 November 2013 13: 08
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    20 million Russians will withdraw from the "shadow"

    in the light of recent events, something tells me that the streets ...
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  32. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 19 November 2013 13: 45
    +1
    Quote: white_f
    in the light of recent events, something tells me that the streets ..

    Our ruling bastard is concerned about the absence of weapons in you and me, which in one of the not the smallest countries are classified as "weapons of civil self-defense". In fact, in the weapons store (there) there are assault rifles (I "Kalashnikov", in the AKM and AKM-74 versions), army caliber range, for army ammunition 7,62 or 5,56mm. All the difference: there are no universal strips for additional equipment and there is an automatic fire blocking plate.
    That is, firing is conducted from the position of a pre-single or self-loading variant. It was enough for me to get comfortable with confidence during three trips - approximately 7-8 stores of standard army capacity. Where did they get it wink found by special order, personally - winkbut everyone, of course, is not in the know hi ).
  33. vanaheym
    vanaheym 19 November 2013 14: 26
    +3
    In all adequate countries, the employee does not have to pay taxes to the company - the company gives the employee a salary, which informs the tax office, after which it is the employee’s task to pay taxes on his profit.
    Again, reporting is submitted once every six months or a year, and not monthly. Inspections are carried out by the relevant audit structures according to a court decision, and not by a gang with machine guns and whenever they want.
    And so, how the tax systems are built in the countries of the former USSR - everything is imprisoned under the cover of income and black cash.
  34. Nitarius
    Nitarius 19 November 2013 14: 33
    +2
    LET OFFICIALS LEARN FROM YOURSELF!
    LET'S LEARN TO LEARN INSTRUCTED BY OUR PAID TAXES COMPETITIVELY!
  35. vvvvv
    vvvvv 19 November 2013 14: 53
    -2
    I am with all hands for such a patent !!!
    Hooray, legalization and freebie !!!
    PS: I speak for myself.
    1. pahom54
      pahom54 19 November 2013 17: 33
      0
      for vvv
      Blessed are those who believe ... And especially those who believe in our government and boyars ... In every rubbish (I beg your pardon - the law), they accept, there is always a catch against a simple poor people. I think that after you take and buy the proposed patent, six months later, instead of "Hurray", shout "CARAUL, they are robbing !!!"
  36. kaktus
    kaktus 19 November 2013 16: 47
    +3
    "The Ministry of Economic Development and Trade continues to search for options on how to increase revenues to the state budget." laughing And to do their own business - ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT - did not try ??? am
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  37. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 19 November 2013 16: 49
    +4
    The patent will of course legitimize the activities of many people who are engaged in homework.
    However, the most important point is the price of a patent. Second, can you trust our state?
    Yes, they will register you, register you, and in a year they will increase the cost tenfold, then we will bite our elbows.
    And you are already "hooked" by the tax office. This is what my friends say: "There are no fools. They will take away the last one. That's why everything is started."
    They are probably right.
  38. iConst
    iConst 19 November 2013 16: 59
    0
    "When the odds are at zero
    looking for gold and in ashes
    ... "L. Filatov (The Tale of Fedot the Archer)

    In other words - it comes complete krandets with finances. Yeah, soon.
    Slow agony got ...
  39. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 19 November 2013 17: 02
    +1
    Quote: Samsebenum
    However, the most important point is the price of a patent. Second, can you trust our state?
    Yes, they will register you, register you, and in a year they will increase the cost tenfold, then we will bite our elbows.
    And you are already "hooked" by the tax office. No, my friends say, "there are no fools." Take away the last.
    They are probably right.

    They are absolutely right.
    All this. We have already passed to PLAK and PLARK and BOD and BDK - as soon as finances come into effect, the fleet plans have nothing to do next.
  40. Andrey57
    Andrey57 19 November 2013 18: 18
    +2
    With the onset of the global crisis and especially after the introduction of new ones (twice the previous ones)

    In fact, over the period from 2010 to 2013, social payments increased almost 9 times - from an amount of less than 5 thousand rubles to more than 37 thousand rubles hi
  41. Letterksi
    Letterksi 19 November 2013 18: 20
    0
    Insanity grew stronger - the trees bent
  42. ars_pro
    ars_pro 19 November 2013 18: 27
    0
    Better Better Thieves Are Better
  43. pv1005
    pv1005 19 November 2013 18: 38
    +2
    The government shares the skin of an unkilled bear. And you fed his stsuki, looked after him to share? Try to feed and care you look and you will not need to share the skin.
  44. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 19 November 2013 18: 48
    +1
    I’d better buy an assault rifle with this money and cartridges will probably be of more benefit than from the government
  45. ole_ga
    ole_ga 19 November 2013 18: 57
    0
    Valery (Mountain), you're right, however. I also think that this leapfrog is distracting from something coming global, just do not understand - bad or very bad. Or maybe there’s another option: they untwist the situation before the riot (but why?).
  46. old rocket man
    old rocket man 19 November 2013 19: 01
    +1
    I read the comments, it became sad, like in a joke: "You, Abram, are right, and you, Sarah, are also right."
    In my humble opinion, taxes for our state, in the current state of the economy, will always be small. Existing laws cannot stimulate not only industrial production, the main engine of the economy, but also any entrepreneurship, except "buy and sell". One thing is nice ... the concept of a minimum wage, which is worth, nowhere is there such a thing, one minimum wage for both an engineer and a cleaner. With a shortage of jobs, this is a direct encouragement of employers to reduce wages.
    All the tales of creating a competitive economy will remain fairy tales until there are minimum hourly wage fixed by law labor by industry, then there will be an incentive to increase labor productivity, and equal competition, and the reason for hiring migrant workers will disappear, and the amount of taxes will increase. And until this is done, there will be a dishwasher in the barbecue to receive more factory technologist and our children will be loaders to the market, not to the factory or to the design bureau am
    ps / only our rulers can pervert everything here, tying the minimum wage to the cost of living
  47. ole_ga
    ole_ga 19 November 2013 19: 25
    +2
    So I'm not going to pay taxes from my covens, once again to feed these fat creatures. For example: we have 44 thousand people (and there used to be more than 80 tons) from two well-known times there have been two thoughts (especially with a small one), why? And the graduates of the orphanage type have nothing to buy apartments for. So for now, I have been pass to be a good payer.
  48. coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 19 November 2013 19: 53
    0
    The miners are still those guys! They piled small business and artisans together, and these are completely different things. The artisan had no wage workers, paid taxes, and poorly, but fed his family. I look at my surroundings almost everything has closed since the beginning of 2013. Now by the end of the year I hear from small business guys who had from 2 to 10 wage earners that they will close for the new year. In short, you will receive your tripled or quadrupled taxes guys from the MINE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT! Keep up the good work.
  49. vanaheym
    vanaheym 19 November 2013 19: 55
    +1
    In order to legalize their income - a citizen must trust his state.
    Dig into the memory - do you trust him enough to show how much money you have?
  50. vkrav
    vkrav 19 November 2013 19: 58
    +1
    Yes, one legalized smerdyuk with a harem stole more than these 20 lemons will earn in a lifetime ...