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Russia will have to postpone the modernization of the Tu-160 for its own air force

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Currently, there is still no final decision as to which components used even during the Soviet era will be replaced on these aircraft. In addition, the aircraft manufacturer and the engine developer NK-32 could not agree on the issue of financing.


The source in close proximity to the “JDC” received information for IHS Jane that the current work on the modernization of the Tu-160 and the re-opening of the production line, where the necessary components for these aircraft will be produced “at that phase when it's very hard to meet the specified time frame. ”

Testing of the design and prototype is in the final stages, the source said, but there are a number of components needed to replace the aircraft on these models that are not available or not discontinued.

Experts and engineers also declare that the plan for the manufacture of specific parts and the schedule for the modernization of these aircraft can be approved only by agreement with the customer. The source, however, continued that "without any doubt, they will find the means to pay for this program."

The source mentioned the recent flight of two Tu-160 to Venezuela, that this "was not a flight as part of a flight test plan, but an ordinary flight."

Russia will have to postpone the modernization of the Tu-160 for its own air force

NK-32 TRDDF for Tu-160


Suspensions in work and some problems concerning this program are taking place. Shortly before the Moscow MAKS Airshow in August 2011 of the year, Russian media said that out of 16-ti Tu-160, which are in inventory in the Air Force, only four were suitable for flight.

The main limiting factor is that most NK-32 engines at that time came to an end their service life. The Kuznetsov Design Bureau, which developed the engine and the Kazan Motor-Building Production Association (KMPO), which produced them in Soviet times, have not been developing new engines for more than ten years. Enterprises no longer have the appropriate personnel or equipment necessary to create them.

The company, which in the post-Soviet period inherited what was left of the Kuznetsov Design Bureau and KMPO, has limited opportunities to modernize the NK-32 for the aircraft fleet, such as the Tu-160.

She was given the opportunity to conclude a contract in 2011 to re-issue at least 26 of these engines, but in only two years it was possible to upgrade only four.


Upgraded Tu-160


In addition to these technological problems, there are a number of corporate and financial problems that need to be solved. The current design and production of engines NK-32, is now engaged in OAO Metalist-Samara, headed by Yuri Eliseev, the former director of the engine factory "Salyut" in Moscow.

Y. Eliseev is one of the most successful managers in the aviation sector in Russia, but there are still several issues related to the ownership of blocks of shares that must be resolved - with the involvement of OAO Metalist-Samara, which is a division of OAO ODK, in turn, owns the consortium Oboronprom.

As one of the industrial analysts of Russia noted, “This should be done promptly because of the Tu-160 approaching the end of its service life”.


Tu-160


As soon as the modernization process begins, the volume of planned reconstruction allows only four out of five aircraft per year, and he also emphasizes that “dozens, if not hundreds, of suppliers are involved in this project and they have their own timelines related to the acquisition of necessary equipment and training staff. We are not in the situation where the customer pays today, and we provide it with an engine tomorrow. "
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  1. experienced
    experienced 18 November 2013 16: 20
    63
    Aircraft carriers are not needed, Kuzya is in order and repairs are not needed, Tu-160s will do without modernization ...
    And the rest, a beautiful marquise ...
    But this
    Kuznetsov Design Bureau, which developed the engine and the Kazan Motor-Industrial Production Association (KMPO), which produced them in Soviet times, have not been developing new engines for more than ten years. Enterprises no longer have the appropriate personnel or equipment necessary for their creation.

    Russia's main misfortune, it’s easy to collapse, it is often impossible to recover recourse
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 18 November 2013 16: 49
      17
      one head of the Russian triadic dragon fell off by itself ........... where are we, dear comrades?
      1. Civil
        Civil 18 November 2013 17: 44
        26
        Well zhezh but mastered the production of shopping centers!
        1. predator.3
          predator.3 18 November 2013 19: 18
          +8
          that most of the NK-32 engines at that time came to an end their service life. Kuznetsov Design Bureau, which developed the engine and the Kazan Motor-Industrial Production Association (KMPO), producing them in Soviet times, not engaged in the development of new engines for more than ten years. Enterprises no longer have the appropriate personnel or equipment necessary for their creation.


          As I read the article, I remembered Maxim Kalashnikov, several years ago he already warned in one of his books that we had lost the specialists and technologies for the production of TU-160 engines, really, it’s impossible to break! And if his other forecasts come true ... request

          Former Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov, who recently headed the Federal Research Center for Mechanical Engineering, will be responsible for testing military equipment manufactured at KamAZ, Rostec’s head Sergei Chemezov told the Prime agency. He recalled that currently there are no claims from law enforcement agencies to Serdyukov is not present; he is going on trial as a witness. “A man sits without work for a year, just as impossible. And he also had a relationship with this technique, which will be produced at KamAZ, ”Chemezov added.

          http://news.rambler.ru/22242513/
        2. Rink
          Rink 19 November 2013 00: 04
          0
          And who is she finally - this "Natalia Golubeva", the author of such a heartfelt article? This is a Belarusian writer, or something, who:

          She graduated from the Faculty of History and Philology of Gomel State University (Republic of Belarus), completed an internship at Jagiellonian University (Krakow, Poland), graduated from the Academy of Social Sciences (Moscow, Russia), and has been in the public service for more than twenty-five years, including in the diplomatic service. For a long period she worked in the Office of the Council of Ministers of the Republic of Belarus as a deputy head of the department of socio-cultural sphere. Currently engaged in literary and scientific activities.

          N. Golubeva is a scientific consultant to a number of television projects, including the series “The Land of Geniuses”, created by Mir-Film company by order of MGTRK Mir.


          And what does she mean in strategic aviation?
          And why doesn’t she deal with her socio-cultural sphere, but discusses the production of NK32 and the combat readiness of the TU-160?
          Where did she get information about the situation in this industry?
          Or is it just another demonstration that "every cook ...."?
          1. demel2
            demel2 19 November 2013 04: 45
            +2
            Who cares who wrote the article, where it’s not true. Real-minded people have been talking about this for a long time and don’t admire the fact that the TU-160 flew over Colombia.
            1. Rink
              Rink 19 November 2013 12: 57
              +2
              Quote: demel2
              Who cares who wrote the article, where it’s not true. ...

              Hmm ... Interesting point of view.
              That is, neither professionalism and knowledge of the issue, nor even just where is the truth, and where is the truth - doesn’t matter anymore? Wonderful!
              I’ll also go to the experts, perhaps. Interesting, they pay well?

              That's just about what to write about something like that?! .. Can you tell me the Temko that will cause the greatest popular outrage? Of course, I do not guarantee the truthfulness, because it is not a fact that I will understand the proposed topic (although there is Wikipedia?). But for really thinking people I will give another reason to be indignant and shout "Down with! How long?"


              For my simplicity of heart, I used to think that the personality of the writer and his interests and goals always leave their mark on the selection of facts and interpretation of events; and professionalism and truthfulness are inalienable, unshakable qualities of journalism, without which no one should raise the topic at all. It used to be: if I don’t understand genetics or cybernetics, then I don’t write about them. In the best case, I can read.

              And now everything is much simpler, really. In how I lagged behind life, as a Neanderthal simply. :(
            2. yehat
              yehat 24 December 2013 12: 33
              0
              Now the strategic aviation is not “flying around” on the Tu-160 for the sake of show-off, but frantically trying to gain experience to work on the technical specifications for a new promising bomber.
              There is absolutely no point in whining about the wear and tear of these already noticeably obsolete machines.
            3. yehat
              yehat 24 December 2013 12: 33
              0
              Now the strategic aviation is not “flying around” on the Tu-160 for the sake of show-off, but frantically trying to gain experience to work on the technical specifications for a new promising bomber.
              There is absolutely no point in whining about the wear and tear of these already noticeably obsolete machines.
          2. dmitrich
            dmitrich 19 November 2013 07: 06
            +1
            in Russia, wherever you spit, you’ll get into an aviation expert. And the coolest experts are women.
          3. nickname 1 and 2
            nickname 1 and 2 19 November 2013 09: 19
            +2
            Quote: Skating rink
            Where did she get information about the situation in this industry?


            I also doubt the competence of this lady.

            crazy brand = strategic aviation !!!!!!!!! all of a sudden - go into the reading room and everything is on your table, take and read and write and paint ?????????????
          4. fzr1000
            fzr1000 19 November 2013 17: 22
            +3
            Here is an article dated February 8, 2012. There is nothing new in the new article.

            The conversion of the Tu-160 strategic bombers armed with cruise missiles with nuclear warheads to new avionics and new missiles could be delayed due to the lack of engines. As a source in the military-industrial complex told Izvestia, the new NK-32 engine, whose production is now being resumed at the Kuznetsov plant, will appear no earlier than 2017. And on old engines, which are already 20-30 years old, the Tu-160 will not fly far.

            - According to the schedule agreed with the Ministry of Defense, the first new NK-32 engine will be presented for state tests in 2016. After that, its release and installation on aircraft will begin. Until that time, all Tu-160s will be equipped with engines that have undergone major repairs, ”our source said.

            The representative of the plant itself noted that the production of the engine will actually have to be created from scratch.

            “In Soviet times, nearly 100 enterprises produced engine components,” he said. - Now half of them are located outside the territory of Russia or have not existed for a long time. Therefore, we are forced to master the production of some components and assemblies ourselves. For example, now we are setting up the most complex production of combustion chambers - until recently, they were made by the Samara "Metallist", which has now refused to sign a contract for these chambers.

            According to him, the plant has already invested almost 500 million rubles in the purchase of new equipment necessary for the production of parts for engines. This money was received in due time as an advance payment for the overhaul of engines. Moreover, the bulk of the money was given to the plant in the form of a state loan, which has yet to be repaid.

            At the headquarters of the Russian Air Force, Izvestia was told that the remaining resource of Tu-160 engines should be enough until 2017.

            - Firstly, we are modernizing. This significantly extends the resource. Secondly, a combat aircraft is not the same as a civilian airliner. He does not fly every day, and the annual raid on it is small, ”the representative of the Air Force explained.

            At the same time, he emphasized that only airplanes, the resource of which is sufficient for this, are allowed to fly.

            The large-scale modernization of Tu-160 bombers was announced at the beginning of the week. According to the Ministry of Defense, the Tu-160M ​​will be equipped with a new weapon system that allows the use of promising cruise missiles and bomb weapons. Radioelectronic and aviation equipment will undergo complete modernization.
      2. dmitrich
        dmitrich 19 November 2013 03: 46
        -1
        how fast are you on bullshit.
    2. APES
      APES 18 November 2013 17: 01
      15
      Quote: seasoned
      Kuznetsov Design Bureau, which developed the engine


      there are things worse:

      (KAPO) named after S.P. Gorbunov - one part of the fuselage is made of titanium, they made it in Kazan on the press at night (since electricity was needed as much as half of Kazan) - the press is no longer there - no part - not all.

      I am silent about Avionics - it’s dumb somehow like Texis or Analog Device to put on TU-160

      In the 2006 year, an assessment was made - how much time is required to restore production and what amounts - the answer is 5-6 years - the amounts - they decided to modernize what is
    3. vlad_pr
      vlad_pr 18 November 2013 17: 37
      -6
      Sorry, "Experienced", you seem to be a "boot". Your quote Aircraft carriers are not needed, "Kuzya" is in order and repairs are not needed, Tu-160s will do without modernization ..., with subsequent pluses, it says almost everything. It's a pity, it seemed like, despite the author, you are a reasonable person.
      Sincerely.
      1. experienced
        experienced 18 November 2013 17: 47
        16
        Quote: vlad_pr
        You are apparently a "boot".

        "Boot", but engineering. I was educated at a military school, but with a diploma as an engineer-economist, in boots from the age of 17, and I'm not ashamed of that
        Quote: vlad_pr
        Your quote

        This is a listing of everything that, in the opinion of our government, Russia is not needed at the moment. If you think that all this is done through my fault, then request However:
        "Did I destroy the chapel too?" (c)
        Quote: vlad_pr
        It is a pity, it seemed that, despite the author, you are a reasonable person.

        Thank you for the "reasonable", and the avatar is for those who know me a long-understood symbol ... The skins from this ava are hanging on my funeral wall at 10 wassat
        Soon, the skin of the "experienced" will take pride of place (already 9 previous ones), so do not judge people by their ave and nickname, but pay attention to the comments ...

        Yours faithfully,
        Alexey hi
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 18 November 2013 21: 31
          +4
          Quote: seasoned
          Soon, the skin of the "experienced" will take pride of place (already 9 previous ones), so do not judge people by their ave and nickname, but pay attention to the comments ...
          I remembered this cartoon, "9 Lives of Fritz the Cat" was called.
        2. serezhasoldatow
          serezhasoldatow 18 November 2013 22: 00
          0
          Experienced graduated from VVVUT them. LKK?
      2. ded10041948
        ded10041948 18 November 2013 19: 05
        +3
        Have you ever heard the word "sarcasm"?
        1. almost demobil
          almost demobil 18 November 2013 20: 07
          +1
          Quote: ded10041948
          Have you ever heard the word "sarcasm"?

          Apparently not heard. Now begins to puff that you called him obscenely.
    4. Manager
      Manager 18 November 2013 17: 46
      +6
      Quote: seasoned
      Russia's main misfortune, it’s easy to collapse, it is often impossible to recover

      Don’t you notice that someone is still breaking up? What does the pace that they really have no time to recover.
    5. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 18 November 2013 18: 22
      +3
      Yes, the main trouble of Russia .. "first we will destroy everything .. then we heroically restore it ..) I was so happy about the flights of the Tu-160 .. (it turns out these were farewells ..) ... Oh, Russia is your m ... Damn upset ..
    6. Walker1975
      Walker1975 18 November 2013 19: 03
      +2
      +1. And now the question is in the studio: where to get employees who could work with these engines? If they are not, then how much money is needed and on what basis should they be prepared?

      By the way, can engine specialists be used, for example, those working on MIGs, SU, T-50? They will not end suddenly?
    7. SOKOL777
      SOKOL777 18 November 2013 19: 34
      +1
      Quote: seasoned
      And the rest, a beautiful marquise ...


      A-uuu! Taburetkin !!! Rest. Your affairs are small things.
      Here the nuclear triad is prosra ... and!
      "Bulava" flies, then does not fly ...
      There are no dviglov for the Tu-160 ...
      About GLONAS generally silence ...
      Maybe the Yars also don't fly?

      What the fuck are aircraft carriers, robots, hypersound?
      Stock up Coffins and berdanks for self-defense.
      I can’t write anymore, I’ll go to the mat.
      I'm going to smoke nervously ...
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 18 November 2013 20: 14
        +2
        Quote: SOKOL777
        Here the nuclear triad is prosra ... and!
    8. Cherdak
      Cherdak 18 November 2013 20: 09
      +6
      Quote: seasoned
      The company, which in the post-Soviet period inherited what was left of the Kuznetsov Design Bureau and KMPO, has limited opportunities
      1. pr 627
        pr 627 19 November 2013 00: 51
        +3
        Many are missing here, Serdyukov is just a child next to them.
    9. dmitrich
      dmitrich 19 November 2013 03: 45
      -1
      I do not believe this lady, delitante.
  2. Edward72
    Edward72 18 November 2013 16: 22
    12
    Perhaps the first article does not mention Rogozin's balabol in a day.
    1. dmitrich
      dmitrich 19 November 2013 04: 11
      +1
      rudeness does not decorate anyone !.
  3. Asgard
    Asgard 18 November 2013 16: 23
    53
    Once he witnessed the landing of the White Swan on the take-off of Lodeynoy Field (military airfield).
    The captain next to me said: -This is a car from the Future !!!!
    Indeed, the machine made (not even by the fathers)) by our grandfathers, with trepidation at your fingertips, beautiful and high-quality, with the hope that someday it will protect the country ....
    And we lost production over the fat oil-dollar years, that we cannot repair it (not to mention that)) in order to repeat it ......

    EC stabilizer))))
    1. me
      me 18 November 2013 16: 27
      -52 qualifying.
      This captain from the past simply did not see b-2.
      1. Tatarus
        Tatarus 18 November 2013 16: 36
        13
        This clamp is your b-2. Our technique is beautiful. And only beautiful equipment can serve well
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 16: 41
        +9
        Quote: i
        This captain from the past simply did not see b-2.

        Shikoko, Shikoko is he standing wink
        1. me
          me 19 November 2013 16: 26
          -2
          First, compare the annual budget of the USA and Russia, and then ask stupid questions. And in general, where does the price if I meant the appearance. And hurray patriots naturally never admit that the b-2 looks more futuristic than that, well, whatever one may say.
      3. klimpopov
        klimpopov 18 November 2013 17: 15
        +5
        Mr. Serdyukov, log in.
        1. Tatarus
          Tatarus 18 November 2013 19: 17
          +2
          Quote: klimpopov
          Mr. Serdyukov, log in.

          Well, or bend laughing
        2. shpuntik
          shpuntik 18 November 2013 22: 27
          +2
          klimpopov SU Today, 17: 15 ↑
          Mr. Serdyukov, log in.

          Better not.
          1. The comment was deleted.
      4. wow
        wow 18 November 2013 19: 05
        -2
        The concept of the so-called "invisibility" was recognized as erroneous for a long time, incl. and the developers of the "invisible" themselves. There is a lot of money poured into projects, but it's like milk from a goat.
        1. patsantre
          patsantre 18 November 2013 21: 00
          0
          It was recognized as erroneous by our struggles, and recognized as erroneous because our technology cannot boast of this. Moreover, inconspicuous aircraft continue to develop, and there are more of them. What nonsense, where did the developers recognize their futility?
      5. ded10041948
        ded10041948 18 November 2013 19: 09
        +2
        Do you have friends with Stool or Makarov?
  4. Eugeniy_369
    Eugeniy_369 18 November 2013 16: 29
    20
    “The main limiting factor is that most of the NK-32 engines at that time had come to the end of their service life. engines for over a decade. Businesses no longer have the proper personnel or equipment to build them. "
    Why paint it like that? Could write shorter - NK-32 engine production destroyed. When developing the resource of the remaining engines, they will be exceeded in quantity 2 pcs. per year = 1 plane in 2 years.
  5. Tatarus
    Tatarus 18 November 2013 16: 33
    21
    In addition to these technological issues, there are a number of corporate and financial issues that need to be addressed.

    Financial problems to pay. A corporate shoot for edren hair dryer. Piled up any corporate sub-adidases.
  6. Koronik
    Koronik 18 November 2013 16: 34
    +6
    "Shortly before the Moscow MAKS air show in August 2011, Russian media stated that of the 16 Tu-160s in the Air Force inventory, only four were flightable."
    And only two fly, perhaps the best option would be the accelerated development and construction of new aircraft of this class. As I understood from the article for the repair of TU - 160, it is necessary to re-build production facilities.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 18 November 2013 20: 13
      +8
      And what about the new aircraft that will not need to be built? In two thirds of the cases, the new is worse than the old if it does not bring revolutionary changes. Like modern cars - more and more electronics, more and more powerful air conditioning, more and more diverse modes, more sophisticated ass massage ... less and less resource, worse quality, more and more dangerous to drive.
      Building capacities is as easy as shelling pears. There is money, there are builders ... There are no craftsmen! That's what's scary. We need people who are able to establish work with the built facilities, breathe life into the machines. There is no one. There is no one at all. And in order for the masters to appear - you need to change no less than the system of production relations! Because modern to us, just introduced - like a terrible poison for skill. Or managers - or masters. Or the highest technology or loot with a shaft. Either a civilizational gain - or to feel like a master among slaves ... until a foreign uncle drove a pin. "Choose, choose, play - or live!"
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 18 November 2013 22: 38
        +4
        Quote: Mikhail3
        Capacities are easy to build. There is money, there are builders ...
        At the Olympics and the World Cup in football.
        Quote: Mikhail3
        There are no masters! That’s scary. We need people who are able to establish work with built capacities, to breathe life into machines. No one. There is absolutely no one.
        22 years have passed since the collapse of the USSR. The old people have retired, many of them have died. Of those who managed to catch the Soviet times in their working age, few of them remained in the engineers, mostly either they have been working for a long time not according to their profile, or have been forced out to Europe-America-Israel. Those who left the industry are also considered lost, although they say "you can't drink the skill", but if you don't work by profession, everything is forgotten after a few years. There is no one to teach the younger generation. I do not mean to fill my head with sciences and issue a diploma, but practical engineering work. Who stood behind the drawing board, he will understand what I mean. Of course, if not fools, they themselves will learn over time, but how many cones they will fill, and if the cone is the size of TU-160, it will cost a lot to beat.
        And those who left and got a job will not go back to the design bureaus and factories where the salary is good if half of the western one, and the prices are either comparable (food, utilities, gasoline, apartments), or several times higher (equipment, cars). And, as I understand it, they will not trust the "returnees" to work on such projects as the modernization of the Tu-160 or the next generation bomber, and salaries are even lower in non-military projects.
        1. Skiff_spb
          Skiff_spb 18 November 2013 23: 17
          0
          I have slightly different statistics.
          First, I thought about changing jobs and monitored the "market". So - quite a competitive proposals have appeared all sorts of NGOs and other enterprises for communication, location, etc. It’s a pity I’m working in a slightly different area, but I was pleased.

          Secondly, a fellow physicist communicating with his classmates says that money has also gone quite well on a scientific topic. Nobody is returning from essno abroad, but some returned from sharak to design all kinds of crap.

          And the boss, a former warrant officer, says that many of his former colleagues now really get a pretty decent salary.

          So the ice started to break. The question is - for how long, yes. But there is progress, this cannot be taken away.
          1. andr327
            andr327 19 November 2013 06: 45
            +2
            Accountants and managers are the trump card of progress! And you with your technology, debit credit and profit, that's the whole technology.
            The cudgel is the best weapon, you just need to find it in the woods (the designer is nafig, the technologist is on the side, the hard worker does not have to pay anything). Here is the best achievement of nanotechnology, the efficiency of use ..... and all the loot yourself .... Fairy tale ......
            You can not buy everything for money: neither education, nor experience, nor skill.
  7. vuvarovskiy
    vuvarovskiy 18 November 2013 16: 35
    +2
    Yes, to destroy those who want to "darkness", and here are to launch a series of units and thus put a spoke in the wheels, different manturovs, poghosyans and other "friends" of Russian aviation !!! But I believe that there will be sober heads in power and the White Swan will fly to spite the foe !!!
  8. major071
    major071 18 November 2013 16: 36
    24
    Here you have the development of industry under modern market conditions. We can not upgrade the engines that were developed during the USSR, because:
    Enterprises no longer have the appropriate personnel or equipment necessary for their creation.

    As one of the deputies said: We are now living better than in the USSR! I agree with him on all 100%, they really live better, the question is - what about us?
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus 18 November 2013 16: 44
      13
      Quote: major071
      the question is - and we?


      And we seem to survive better.
      Mutate, adapt.
      But anyway, sooner or later.

      I will squeeze my strong teeth
      On the oily neck of the enemy
      I’ll ask for slime dishes for everything
      While my will is strong

      Do not hide a fat body
      Kremlin walls you
      I will come and ask for the cause
      The Killings of a Great Country
      1. pint45
        pint45 18 November 2013 18: 42
        +2
        You tell the truth Lipetsk.
    2. Eugeniy_369
      Eugeniy_369 18 November 2013 16: 48
      +5
      Quote: major071
      the question is - and we?

      And you think them it sways interested in?
    3. uzer 13
      uzer 13 18 November 2013 20: 22
      +7
      At many enterprises, and civilians, too, the same picture. People have been lost, but there is no replacement. Natural rotation of personnel has been violated because it has become unprofitable to work in production. People have gone to trade, for the same money you can do without education and practice, yes and the discipline is simpler. And now we have a salary situation like in Nigeria, and prices like in the USA. In general, the neck has become thinner, but longer.
  9. andrei332809
    andrei332809 18 November 2013 16: 38
    +5
    again "finance, finance". Can't share in any way? Or is there no money in the country? When bureaucrats, including defense, will get drunk on democracy so much that they will be ripped apart? negative
  10. stayer
    stayer 18 November 2013 16: 44
    10
    Bad damn it. Even at the head of engineering put Serdyuk. What nafig recovery? This last one is stealing ...
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 18 November 2013 17: 24
      +4
      No, he organizes it! Organizes Planned theft of state money. To do this, he was called out of full ....
      1. Oskar
        Oskar 18 November 2013 17: 39
        +3
        And effectively organizes !!! This is important!
    2. ded10041948
      ded10041948 18 November 2013 19: 14
      +1
      And "madam" will defend him in court! No wonder I got a job in a law office!
    3. alone
      alone 18 November 2013 23: 02
      +1
      Oh, everything is already stolen before us !! laughing
  11. Oskar
    Oskar 18 November 2013 16: 48
    +7
    It's time to wait for Rogozin's statement. This one will explain that this is a question of geopolitics, not defense capability, and will say about the lack of need. We no longer need aircraft carriers, and we probably don't need strategic bombers either. Alas, this is all, apparently, unnecessary attributes of the "evil Soviet Empire". The construction of frigates would have to be mastered ... The descent of each tugboat was covered with fanfare by the media for a whole week - we got there.
  12. ASh666
    ASh666 18 November 2013 16: 50
    +6
    Some strange heading of the article, or rather the last three words - "for our own air force". What did the author mean? Are Tu-160s also operated by foreign air forces? Or is there a suspicion that the modernization of Russian strategic aircraft may be carried out in the interests of the US Air Force?
    Or is it just that Russian is not native to Natalia Golubeva?
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 18 November 2013 17: 29
      +2
      Maybe dark dark nights, in an atmosphere of strict secrecy ((KAPO) named after S.P. Gorbunov - one part of the fuselage is made of titanium, they made it in Kazan on the press at night (since electricity was needed as much as half of Kazan) - the press is no longer there - no part - not all.) are these magnificent planes riveted for the Celestial Empire? Engines are unnecessary for them - they will copy what you want and what you want .... It's a shame ...
  13. ASh666
    ASh666 18 November 2013 16: 50
    0
    Some strange heading of the article, or rather the last three words - "for our own air force". What did the author mean? Are Tu-160s also operated by foreign air forces? Or is there a suspicion that the modernization of Russian strategic aircraft may be carried out in the interests of the US Air Force?
    Or is it just that Russian is not native to Natalia Golubeva?
    1. alone
      alone 18 November 2013 23: 04
      0
      this is from an excess of knowledge in the field of military equipment. Surely it was difficult for her to find out that the Tu-160 is operated only in Russia
  14. Oskar
    Oskar 18 November 2013 16: 55
    +7
    Kuznetsov Design Bureau, which developed the engine and the Kazan Motor-Industrial Production Association (KMPO), which produced them in Soviet times, have not been developing new engines for more than ten years. Enterprises no longer have the appropriate personnel or equipment necessary for their creation.

    I didn’t catch something: Were they still developing it under the EBN, but stopped it under the “superpresident”? How did that happen?
    1. niki233
      niki233 18 November 2013 17: 57
      +8
      under EBN, this industry was ruined and very successfully he worked at a plant that admits components for military aviation for almost five years, did not pay wages so ....
  15. kafa
    kafa 18 November 2013 16: 56
    +1
    all Olympic fakens lowered recourse
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus 18 November 2013 17: 04
      +1
      Quote: kafa
      all Olympic fakens lowered recourse


      Correctly write fakkeny. More accurate with spelling. And then at home they will have to write. laughing
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      2. kafa
        kafa 18 November 2013 17: 19
        -2
        The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information.

        Back
        you know better repeat
  16. Sinbad
    Sinbad 18 November 2013 17: 03
    +4
    Not so long ago, I was in V.O. an article about the reasoning of the "husbands of statesmen": why do we need a new strategic missile carrier. They say that the Cold War is in the past, and there will be enough of the "mujahideen" to drive the Kalash away. Traitors!
    The Cold War never ended, it just passed from one phase to another, and the so-called. local conflicts are only one of its manifestations. And only strategic forces can save us from the third world war in its large-scale manifestation. How, in such conditions, without the "white swans". Yes, a new plane is needed, but the timing! It is easier to restore production, and train personnel during modernization and repairs than when launching a completely new model, and the cost of an error (God forbid) is not so high. So, new to do, old to upgrade, and more, faster, higher!
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 19 November 2013 01: 59
      +3
      Quote: Sinbad
      Yes, a new plane is needed, but the timing! And it’s easier to restore production and to prepare personnel during modernization and repair than when launching a completely new model, and the price of an error (God forbid) is not so high. So, do new ones, upgrade old ones, and more, faster, higher!


      In 2008, Russian Air Force long-range aviation received the first new aircraft from the early 1990s. Production was revived in 2008. The plan was to release one bomber every 18 months and bring their number from 16 to 30, but subsequently this the program was canceled in favor of modernization. The Air Force wanted to receive no more than five new NK-32 engines each weighing 3,5 tons per year, although the manufacturer insisted on the supply of 20 engines to reduce the cost of production, otherwise the price of these engines can be prohibitive. But the government decided to pay more money for engines and modernize 10 out of 16 aircraft in service to the Tu-160M ​​standard waiting for the start of production of a new generation of bombers. In any case, in the 2020s, the Russian Air Force will be armed with a certain amount of Tu-160.

      link
  17. Fin
    Fin 18 November 2013 17: 06
    +2
    Experts and engineers also declare that the plan for the manufacture of specific parts and the schedule for the modernization of these aircraft can be approved only by agreement with the customer. The source, however, continued that "without any doubt, they will find the means to pay for this program."

    Judging by this, nobody specifically dealt with the problem there, they only worked on the language. The customer is MO, it turns out there are no competent specialists left?
    The engine is understandable, but the rest of the systems do not need to be changed (modernized)?
  18. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 18 November 2013 17: 07
    +7
    The new generation of DA in KB Tu has been in development for a long time. But to build in fact a new plant for their production in Kazan on the basis of Gorbunovsky, at least 6-7 years. Roll out the first car, another 3-4 years. 5-6 years to run the product, Gosa and launch into the series. But these 16-20 years also need to be somehow stretched. Good cosmic neighbors will not give you a couple of plates. And you think how much longer the country will stretch with our high-sitting crooks. It's a shame for the state. During the war, squadrons did the rear services at the expense of workers. But there cars were cheaper. And now, even having thrown one plane over the whole country, no one will be sure that the funds will not be stolen, as this happens with half the budget.
  19. 123321
    123321 18 November 2013 17: 18
    +8
    Today is like an evil tale in which an Indian son asks his dad: -Who created these magnificent birds? Our great grandfathers, son!
  20. Lumumba
    Lumumba 18 November 2013 17: 25
    +2
    But nanotechnology is developing :)
    1. ssergn
      ssergn 19 November 2013 07: 59
      0
      But. Do you understand at least something in this, or so, "fired into a puddle"? "Roughly, of course, but still. Those who criticize Rusnano have visited their website at least once. Does anyone know how much investment is and what did they produce?

      And then, as in a song, some guitarists in the country am
  21. SEM
    SEM 18 November 2013 17: 25
    -7
    Quote: strannik595
    one head of the Russian triadic dragon fell off by itself ........... where are we, dear comrades?

    Nonsense !!! I AM SURE WILL MAKE MUCH BETTER BEFORE THE FIRST !!!, but I agree with the fact that the collapse has already been. The main work is already underway, everything will work out and will be done in the best possible way and there’s nothing to doubt here !!!)))
    1. Algor73
      Algor73 18 November 2013 18: 30
      +3
      SEM, do you even believe in it yourself? I don’t know, sometimes, when you read the media, you see enough of the “poor people” - representatives of the authorities, such pessimism prevails, you want to howl. Such a country has been played ...
      1. SEM
        SEM 18 November 2013 20: 04
        -3
        YES BELIEVE))), and what do you suggest taking a box and crawling slowly into the cemetery?
    2. pint45
      pint45 18 November 2013 18: 49
      +2
      Bullshit, what a job; one nonsense about a zombie.
  22. Ross
    Ross 18 November 2013 17: 38
    +2
    Quote: seasoned
    Aircraft carriers are not needed, Kuzya is in order and repairs are not needed, Tu-160s will do without modernization ...
    And the rest, a beautiful marquise ...
    But this
    Kuznetsov Design Bureau, which developed the engine and the Kazan Motor-Industrial Production Association (KMPO), which produced them in Soviet times, have not been developing new engines for more than ten years. Enterprises no longer have the appropriate personnel or equipment necessary for their creation.

    Russia's main misfortune, it’s easy to collapse, it is often impossible to recover recourse

    Perhaps if WILL is manifested for that. But it will take time and effort ...
  23. pahom54
    pahom54 18 November 2013 17: 58
    +3
    Fucking babai, how much money was wasted, but not enough time, now.
    I don’t believe that all the people who made the engines and the necessary components and components died or went to America different ... This needs a strong-willed decision and the allocation of the necessary funding - Tu-160 - be restored production lines, people - find-assemble - to set a task - to provide !!!
    I’m amazed, because the modernization (or even better - the release of new modified ones) of the Tu-160 is one of the most important tasks of re-equipping our aircraft today, and, damn it, again obstacles, but what do you mean? Nope, there is none of this ... Mind, brains have long ceased to exist, instead of them only bucks and cents in the heads of bosses are clogged!
    Just think about it: there were minds who managed to pull the bowler with the Olympic flame into space. ETOGES that it was necessary to invent, create ?! So, there are still brains in Rasea! Give them money and set a task - and all these lines will be restored, or else they will give birth to a super-white swan!
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 18 November 2013 18: 10
      +1
      pahom54

      What an optimist you are!
      Straight enviable!
    2. pint45
      pint45 18 November 2013 18: 54
      0
      Wake up, dear, the last scrap metal has long been written off, sawn and drenched with a Russian nail you will not find soon.
  24. Neighbor
    Neighbor 18 November 2013 18: 06
    +4
    Apparently, Mr. Putin does not know that all of his effective managers have dual citizenship.
    1. Vityok
      Vityok 18 November 2013 18: 31
      +5
      These "Effective" managers cannot be trusted to graze geese, they will drown in them !!! We lowered the production below the plinth.
  25. tomich
    tomich 18 November 2013 18: 15
    +8
    They have arrived, they can appoint Serdyukov to a new position, but they cannot manufacture spare parts for a strategic bomber, or rather they don’t want to. This is a betrayal of our country by pure water
  26. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 18 November 2013 18: 16
    +3
    Enterprises no longer have the appropriate personnel or equipment necessary for their creation.
    Recently, they often began to write something like that .. The scientific and technical potential laid down during the Soviet era in the process is exhausting itself ... Then we turn into a raw material appendage ??? Tu-160 is a beautiful and formidable missile carrier that is terrifying to the whole planet ... to scrap like "Buran", etc. Under the wording, there is no money and competent engineers to modernize it ..? It's a shame .. (the Serdyukovs have occupied our military-industrial complex) and there are many of them clearly concentrated there .. angry Something is not going on in Russia recently ..
    1. Walker1975
      Walker1975 18 November 2013 19: 10
      +6
      And now the Serdyukovs in Rostec ... poor Rostec. I would not trust this warehouse with nails.
    2. predator.3
      predator.3 18 November 2013 19: 23
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Under the wording there is no money and competent engineers to modernize it ..? Shame .. (Serdyukov occupied our military-industrial complex) and there are many obviously concentrated there .. Something is not going on in Russia recently ..


      That's it ! And at Sochi 2014, 46 billion bucks fluttered, and for all sorts of national projects unmeasured!
  27. negeroi
    negeroi 18 November 2013 18: 17
    +7
    To build a plant, or rather factories, to develop and debug technologies, these are decades. First you need to build universities and vocational schools, where they will teach those who could build factories and work for them.

    No need to shout-Traitors! -Not necessary. You are not the only one who cares about the Motherland. And there are enough patriots in the Tops. Tell me please, Wojciech Jaruzelski is a traitor of the Polish people or his hero? only in 2007, he said, just before the crisis, and I think it is no coincidence that Russia from THIS MOMENT (Think !!!), from this moment on, will carry out a sovereign policy. Only 6 years have passed. Six years since we got off the leash. Yes, and did they fail? Well, a country that has lost in a war cannot be strong and powerful. And to overcome the devastation and lagging behind ... Well, remember how we overcame in the 30-40s, how Germany did it at the same time, at what cost and what efforts. Here many of those present here are ready to verbally get up in line, to the machine, tighten their belts, and ... But in reality? What would be a jerk, you need motivation, then a bish carrot and stick. Ideology. As you imagine now a technological and production breakthrough? Why should the country be turned into cancer? You don’t believe the authorities, but who will squirm and strain for what? For the sake of the Motherland? Well, Stalin, having removed the "weak link", crumbled a lot of innocents. Who is ready again? And otherwise ... for a long time. But quickly only in this way, through total mobilization of the population, And the repression of those who disagree. Yes, we will simply sweep away like this. It was possible for Hitler, they prepared him for us. And no one will give us a whine when it comes to the boys over the hill that this is J-J-J for a reason, but it will reach them quickly, there are no fools there, then the new revision will not hesitate to visit us, once again throwing us away for 50 years, or even completely destroying us. Therefore, we can only use favorable moments, and unbending a little, a millimeter. Yes, it's a shame. How else? Screaming that everyone sold and betrayed everything .. Well, yes, it was, and where were you at that time? We are all responsible. Not only Power. This is our country, with all the shit and problems, and will solve them not Power, but just like in other countries people, people. Power ... but what is power, but imagine what it was like to Jaruzelski-People hate, Kr The land bends down and has. But Jaruzelski was able, he could not let tanks into the country, no matter what anyone said. God is his judge, and time. I think it is not time to judge ours. Verfy VV, the day before yesterday on paper, but he laid it. Maybe aircraft factories someday ... I don't know, it's hard for me to judge, I can only believe and hope. In addition, hypersonic technologies can greatly displace all balances, and technologies can become old in a moment. Swans may not be needed. Who knows?
    1. dizelniy
      dizelniy 18 November 2013 23: 22
      +2
      There is no need to teach anyone and scream, the author praised the director of the plant, you need to ask people at the "Salute", soon we will not have any engines. Serdyukov took up mechanical engineering, Manturov is a psychologist by education, a minister and we will live. As we were an appendage, so we will, the process is underway. It remains to privatize the finintern and complete slavery, credit cards will be forcibly implanted into the skull.
  28. Onyx
    Onyx 18 November 2013 18: 18
    -1
    I do not believe IHS Jane. Let them write who specifically told about this. And the words about a certain source close to the UEC do not inspire much confidence
  29. mithridate
    mithridate 18 November 2013 18: 19
    +1
    Give them money and set a task - and all these lines will be restored, or else they will give birth to a super-white swan!
    This is the question - will they give money? For them, the main thing is to fill your own moshna, and then at least a flood
  30. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 18 November 2013 18: 34
    0
    We are not in a situation where the client pays today, and we provide him with the engine tomorrow. ” Yeah, break, don't do
  31. yakub
    yakub 18 November 2013 18: 40
    +3
    As a child, I saw the Tu-160 at the open door in Engels, even visited inside. I was struck by how elegant and modern they look, especially compared to those standing next to the Tu-95. And each aircraft has its own name on a beautiful emblem. And nearby stood rows of carcases cut into pieces and 3M. I don’t want the TU-160 to repeat their fate now.
  32. Aristarch
    Aristarch 18 November 2013 18: 42
    +1
    How much stupidity in the posts, not knowledge, because the collapse of the industry has not occurred yet. Most of all teenagers are not happy)), who played sand at 90, but are happy to water the current government. But a complete collapse took place precisely in those years, and now the State is trying to somehow restore and develop production, and restore specialized educational institutions.
    1. jagdpanzer
      jagdpanzer 18 November 2013 18: 58
      -1
      come down to earth dear .. The state is also Serdyukov Vasilyeva and another million of them are trying to restore something? In my opinion, the reverse process and degradation are taking place due to oil and gas profits.
    2. TAMERLAN
      TAMERLAN 18 November 2013 19: 31
      +1
      WHY IT WAS TO DESTROY THE READY FOR WHILE RETURNING AGAIN ----- TO WASTE MONEY AND GET ONE
    3. rsnv
      rsnv 19 November 2013 00: 39
      0
      In my historical homeland, the textile capital of the USSR, all the main enterprises, textile and machine-building too, ceased to exist (were destroyed) from 2002 to 2009, and only shopping centers are currently under construction.
  33. DPN
    DPN 18 November 2013 18: 54
    +1
    Of course it will have to be postponed, before factories and the country's population worked for the country and for the benefit of the entire population. Today, on the oligarchs, I doubt that in Soviet times the directors of factories, managers of all levels had real estate over the hill. Now there are only mediators-jerkers who produce nothing but shear $, above the roof.
  34. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 18 November 2013 18: 56
    +2
    I wonder if we ever catch up with the USSR? Of course, there were not enough televisions and tape recorders, but we are not going to launch such things in a series soon. Ambets.
  35. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 18 November 2013 19: 04
    +5
    Russia will have to postpone the modernization of the Tu-160 for its own air force
    Quote: Asgard
    And we lost production over the fat oil-dollar years, that we cannot repair it (not to mention that)) in order to repeat it ......

    All of this was expected. How long can you move by the inertia of Soviet times !? Why don't our "effective managers" see this !? As a rule, their brains begin to move after some kind of emergency (God forbid!)
    There will be no replacement for enthusiasts of the older generation - there will be no such miracle machines.
  36. DPN
    DPN 18 November 2013 19: 07
    +3
    Quote: negeroi
    To build a plant, or rather factories, to develop and debug technologies, these are decades. First you need to build universities and vocational schools, where they will teach those who could build factories and work for them.


    Only who will build these plants, those who are listed in RUSSIA and real estate and everything else is over the hill. So they and OIL with GAS will be enough for their lives, natural resources mainly bring them.
    1. negeroi
      negeroi 18 November 2013 19: 33
      0
      The military-industrial complex is no less, and in some places, more profitable than oil. And there will always be those who are hungry or young. Another thing is that decisions on construction are made old and well-fed. Yes, but it has always been. It is only Macedonian and Karl 12 that were young and at the helm, but they ended badly, and quickly.
  37. individual
    individual 18 November 2013 19: 20
    +2
    Quote:
    “The company, which in the post-Soviet period inherited what was left of the Kuznetsov Design Bureau and KMPO, has limited opportunities to modernize the NK-32 for a fleet of aircraft such as the Tu-160.
    She was given the opportunity to sign a contract in 2011 for the re-release of at least 26 of these engines, but in two years only managed to upgrade four. "

    A strange saying: "What does it mean to succeed or give it?"
    If this product is necessary for the Russian state defense, then the Ministry of Defense decides to exchange for four modernizations or a full Tu-160 package, rather than someone who allows it or not.
    Some kind of kindergarten.
    It is not clear all this.
  38. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 18 November 2013 19: 25
    +2
    At first, with the appointment of the Serdyuk, they spit the whole of Russia into the soul .. Then Rogozin, the Russian aircraft carriers are not needed .. Today, our pride missile carriers have probably exhausted the entire resource and the repair is not cost-effective .. and they are also not needed .. They are there ofigel in general ...? (or pretend .. ???) Where is the money Zin ..? Most of the belts in Russia were tightened. Russia is probably gaining power. We’ll tolerate a little more ... Again scam .. ???
    1. Aristarch
      Aristarch 18 November 2013 19: 51
      -3
      How tender you are, of course you know better here on the forum and you can set priorities))
  39. Alex
    Alex 18 November 2013 19: 26
    +5
    The trouble is that now even pouring a golden rain on the enterprises will not do anything anyway. There is nobody to do the most important thing. I judge by my former radio factory. In Soviet times, it was an advanced and prosperous enterprise that produced sophisticated equipment. Now you can go to the factory without tears I can’t. There are several dozens of working pre-retirement age left. Some primitive electrical cabinets are riveting. Within the framework of the state defense order, they planned to make repairs for equipment that was still being released under the Soviets, they can’t do anything. All the equipment was sold out, and most importantly there were no specialists left. Universities have trained lawyers and economists for two decades. Generations have been interrupted. If even young people come to the plant, there is no one to transfer experience to. And the most interesting thing, you read the newspapers, it turns out our radio factory is listed in the advanced enterprises of the military-industrial complex of our city. You’re sad to think how But then what about the laggards? Here is the result of managing effective managers.
    1. ssergn
      ssergn 19 November 2013 08: 31
      +1
      When I read such comments, I always wonder. But aren't you, respected in the 90 at rallies, shouting about a market economy, freedom and so on. Shouted? Now, get and sign.
      Got? And now answer, here you are, say, the owner of a factory or factory. Production is unprofitable (unprofitable), the sales market is closed for you, of course, no one gave you money for modernization, especially at that time. What will you do? It was in such a situation that the majority of enterprises turned out after the demise of the USSR.

      And now what from the state to ask for these enterprises? The owner then changed. And the new fuck doesn’t need unprofitable production, So they build shopping centers. Although construction, it is also a production, and not a bad one. It’s also good that something is being built. So we live for now.

      But the state should revive the defense industry - there are actually two ways. Either we build new industries, or we return the old ones, and it is even better to consolidate capacities and resources into single holdings, trusts and other other. What have we been witnessing recently.

      PYSY

      And yet, 90% (if not more) of WORLD textiles is sewn in China. It is a fact. So this is not only the Russian problem. Unfortunately. hi

      Yes, Alexey, my post is not for you personally, but in general about such comments.
  40. TAMERLAN
    TAMERLAN 18 November 2013 19: 29
    +2
    all that we now have in service was manufactured or laid down in document with s p r ---- the question arises - what has been done in Russia over the past 20 years except the destruction of property sales factories - and the result is NOTHING
  41. kim. 230752
    kim. 230752 18 November 2013 19: 39
    +2
    Quote: Aristarchus
    The state is trying to somehow restore and develop production, to restore specialized educational institutions.



    It’s so trying, trying, that it doesn’t work out. Because those who manage do not need anything other than their own ...
    1. Aristarch
      Aristarch 18 November 2013 19: 49
      -2
      Just about, I already spoke about the likes of you, have you created something yourself? or shout like that, putting an equal sign between the first and second decade. Wonderful you guys are regressive)))
  42. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 18 November 2013 19: 41
    +4
    Such a unique technique could have been created by people who are sick and living their work. In the domestic defense industry, much depends on such people. The new generation, unfortunately, today has other "diseases", other values ​​in life, imported from overseas.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 18 November 2013 20: 16
      +2
      Alas, people of the era are leaving, and with them their unique machines .. development technologies .. (no one to pass it to ..) .. A generation of Pepsi-managers .. is coming .. Serdyukovs and K will all be pulled and sold (that they cannot simply be destroyed .. ) I will fasten my teeth .. just ..
  43. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 18 November 2013 19: 48
    -1
    Quote: predator.3
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Under the wording there is no money and competent engineers to modernize it ..? Shame .. (Serdyukov occupied our military-industrial complex) and there are many obviously concentrated there .. Something is not going on in Russia recently ..


    That's it ! And at Sochi 2014, 46 billion bucks fluttered, and for all sorts of national projects unmeasured!

    It is debatable here .. The Olympics is also a kind of military special operation .. and not only! A kind of check of our country ..This is my opinion! (I stole a lot there; I don’t argue ..) We will understand what and how much later .. (or we won’t ..) I can’t say anything concrete now .. I’m shocked a little .. hi
  44. voliador
    voliador 18 November 2013 19: 48
    +1
    And this is just a modernization. What then to talk about building new ones! Who will build?
  45. kaktus
    kaktus 18 November 2013 19: 57
    +2
    I don’t even want to comment ... angry
  46. Amateur
    Amateur 18 November 2013 19: 59
    -1
    The alarmists were shot during the war. Their chatter harms more than a thousand Serdyukovs. "Chef, it's all gone!" It is not necessary to smear everything in black. Otherwise why smoke the sky.
    1. Aristarch
      Aristarch 18 November 2013 20: 02
      -3
      This is already a diagnosis, "Chief, everything is lost!", They all boil down to this, like grandmothers in a bazaar.
  47. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 18 November 2013 20: 06
    -1
    That's what I noticed ..! All evil after a series of articles .. Question: Where is Israel (with flags and nicknames) and our "favorite" liberals ..? Something silence .. (alarming ..) According to the idea should be malicious and mock .. (or administrators take care of our nerves) ??? angry
    1. Aristarch
      Aristarch 18 November 2013 20: 08
      -1
      No, they don’t cherish, just many people including you have already spoken in their style))
  48. clidon
    clidon 18 November 2013 20: 07
    +2
    The modernization of the Tu-160 is definitely not the program on which the future of Russia depends. And it's not even the Armata tanks, the Coalition self-propelled guns and the modernization of the Kuzma aircraft carrier with the new Kalashnikov ...
    The key technologies are maintaining the combat readiness of nuclear weapons, strategic missiles, air defense and tactical aviation in order to protect all this, submarines carrying strategic weapons (and preferably the Kyrgyz Republic), communications, global navigation and reconnaissance.
    Therefore, under the conditions of the current sluggish crisis, we think we will see many more wringing hands, by premature deferment or death, of one or another weapons program. The main thing is that they do not touch on key areas. The Tu-160, with all due respect, is not a key technology of nuclear deterrence.
    1. Aristarch
      Aristarch 18 November 2013 20: 11
      -1
      "Tu-160, with all due respect, is not a key technology for nuclear deterrence.

      Not quite so, yet no one has canceled the triad, but this type of machine is part of it.
      1. clidon
        clidon 19 November 2013 05: 49
        +2
        However, in the triad, our bombers were always the "weak link". In addition, now, due to international obligations, they are not on alert at all. Modernization, first of all, had to adapt them to solving non-nuclear tasks.
    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 18 November 2013 20: 29
      0
      I hope so .. clidon plus reassured you a little ..
    3. ded10041948
      ded10041948 18 November 2013 20: 34
      +1
      What kind of academy was taught you this?
      By the way, do not worry too much: the turn will come to the rest. And the "key technologies" will remain with us venal (more precisely - sold out) media and microphones in the hands of "people's choices". This will protect us !!!
      1. clidon
        clidon 19 November 2013 05: 53
        -1
        That's when it comes to key technologies, then we will tear the hair. In the meantime, money is allocated to them more or less regularly.
    4. Onyx
      Onyx 18 November 2013 20: 44
      -1
      Quote: clidon
      The Tu-160, with all due respect, is not a key technology of nuclear deterrence.

      I agree that it is rather a weapon of military intimidation and blackmail. The missiles cannot be returned after the launch, and the strategists can be recalled. But I consider this news a duck, since there is no link to the source of information. Indicates only a certain "source close to the UEC". As a rule, such news turns out to be ducks.
      1. clidon
        clidon 19 November 2013 05: 50
        0
        Well, nuclear SSBNs can also be used as nuclear intimidation, taken out of alarm at sea and the dispersal of mobile installations ...
  49. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 18 November 2013 20: 15
    +1
    in 20 years, many billionaires have just multiplied, and they will not be happy for Russia. They have accounts, families, real estate over the hill, and here they are on earnings.
  50. Unisonic
    Unisonic 18 November 2013 20: 17
    +1
    Kuznetsov Design Bureau, which developed the engine and the Kazan Motor-Industrial Production Association (KMPO), producing them in Soviet times, nThey have not been developing new engines for more than a decade. Enterprises no longer have the appropriate personnel or equipment necessary for their creation.

    In such conditions, it would be more correct to say "you will not have to postpone the modernization of the Tu-160," but you will have to abandon the Tu-160. And I wonder what PAK YES they have on what they are going to fly, if even for the Tu-160 they already developed by are you unable to assemble the engines? Insert part A into hole B? About the development of a new engine and we are not talking.