Turkish Armed Forces abandoned new T-129 attack helicopter

According to the Turkish newspaper Cumhuriyet, the Turkish armed forces once again refused to accept the new attack helicopter T-129 EDH.

As it became known from representatives of the land forces of Turkey, the joint development of Turkey and Italy T-129 EDH does not meet the needs of the army and can not be accepted for service.

The newspaper writes that the reason for the failure was the incompatibility of military helicopters with the required quality and indicates that the military more like the updated version of the attack helicopters AH-1 Cobra or Ah-64.

At the moment, the Turkish armed forces are experiencing an acute shortage of attack helicopters, the fleet of existing AH-1 cobra and super cobra are already morally and physically outdated.

The T-129 is an Italian attack helicopter A-129 Mangusta of Agusta-Westland, created under the requirements of the Turkish armed forces.

Comments

[Same lech]

I sympathize with Italians - competitors from the USA gave the military of TURKEY a kickback incomparable with Italian.

[ZU-23]

Yeah, now obviously the Americans will strain Erdogan to buy "Apache" and what thread of UH-60 "Black Hawk" to heap

[ayyildiz]

Not so big problems there, the imbalance in the tail and it is solved!

[mirag2]

Yes, very unlikely.
Rather, this car is really weaker than the Apache.
What kickbacks, confirmed one thing: cut, but kickbacks, do not judge all by yourself.
I mean, corruption is everywhere where people want to eat, but it’s far from the fact that this is the only reason for adopting something, or refusing it.

[Same lech]

They invested a lot of money in the development of this machine and suddenly it was not needed - couldn’t it be possible to justify the tactical and technical parameters of the T-129 EDH helicopter exceeding APACH before?
No, I think all the same, here competitors from the United States adored.

[ayyildiz]

In the original source not a word is written about American helicopters! That is, the translation is not correct!

[xetai9977]

You do not know the attitude of the Turks to their army, they choose the best. Not everywhere people are ready to rob their own army. And "Apache" of the latest modification is really better than "Agusta".

[Bergman]

To clarify ... Turks choose the best of what they have the opportunity to buy. For example, the Patriot SAM is far from the best. Money is stolen everywhere and Turkey is no exception.

[ayyildiz]

A year late! Problems there are not big, solved!

[loft79]

"non-compliance of military helicopters with the required quality"
Yes, cool wording.
Developed, developed, but not expressed

[TRex]

Yes, and we FIAT are not held in high esteem. Especially the Turkish assembly ...

[Gooch v. 2]

It is better to buy a basin of production, Volzhsky Auto Plant. Og.)
Fiat Turkish assembly, a typical European subcompact.



Lada Kalina, developed by the gloomy geniuses of the Russian automotive industry, in high esteem.



Countries where FIAT is produced.


Tell us where there are AvtoVAZ plants, neighbors. cry.

[makarov]

Well, that's okay. They will sell a helicopter to Africa for practicing peasant fields with pesticides (or some other rubbish) from omnivorous African bugs and spiders. Do not waste good. Maybe they’ll even lease it. If carefully persuaded.

[King]

it was immediately clear that from scratch it was difficult to create a good helicopter. buy the Turks better - mi-28;)

[kotdavin4i]

Have a good day everyone. The Turks were once offered the KA-50-2 "Erdogan", with Israeli stuffing and weapons according to the NATO standard. The American lobby also did not let Russia sell it - and it was a pity that it was a good model, and the contracts for service and spare parts would also be considerable
http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_rus/ka-50-2-r.html

[Sochi]

I didn’t understand, they didn’t cut the burrs? Although, it is difficult to create from scratch, especially if there is no experience behind him ...

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Born to crawl cannot fly. here you can’t do it alone and the prayers to your god will not be enough to make a normal turntable. Moreover, Apache is currently the best drummer in the world so that our idiots would not sing there, it's just a fact. One integration with a UAV is just what it costs about an armament complex, a high-quality thermal imager, first-class electronics and integration into a single network with other branches of the armed forces in general I am silent.

[aksakal]

Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov

One integration with a UAV is just what it costs about an armament complex, a high-quality thermal imager, first-class electronics and integration into a single network with other branches of the armed forces in general I am silent.

-Yes-yes, only this - and this is the reason to throw the Mi-28N and the Alligator into the trash! And those who will object to this - to pass in the State Duma the law "On uryakalka" with sanctions in the form of execution against this category of citizens and use this article in full growth! WAF will agree with you, orderlies! He, too, hates uryakalok so that for the sake of this he will agree to such an exchange: "For the sake of shooting uryakalok, you can give up your own developments!"
By the way, the plane of the "shortened Boeing" type that recently fell in Kazan is also the result of the fact that "the western one is the best!" And the best is so much that the "shortened Boeing" even after 25 years of operation, there are already "third hands" - the Ugandan airline (!!!!!!! ), but in general the airline "Tatarstan" - sixth hands !!!!! better than even the new Superjet and other Russian aircraft products!
Prikazchikov, how well was it suggested to you that the Western is better, that you put yourself after Uganda? Vaughn Pleshakov (Transaero) with his wife declares that Russian aircraft products will be considered only if they exceed Boeings and Airbuses by at least 10% at a minimum of 10% lower prices! In all countries, although they are pushing forward conditions of "faulty equal conditions," namely, the Russians are putting forward draconian conditions to themselves! So much so that we're ready to use Ugandan!
NOT ASHAMED? Why am I, a citizen of a neighboring state, sitting and understanding your self-esteem here, and you - "no, we are uryakalki, nothing will come of us!"

WELL AND .... (understandable here) WITH YOU. Postuganda!

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Ka 52 and mi 28n (although in fact it’s not yet H) only at the beginning of its journey. It is too early to say anything about them, especially since they did not participate in the database. I don’t think we should talk about how Apache fights. I can only wish my luck.

[avt]

Quote: aksakal

By the way, the plane of the "shortened Boeing" type that recently fell in Kazan is also the result of the fact that "the western one is the best!" And the best is so much that the "shortened Boeing" even after 25 years of operation, there are already "third hands" - the Ugandan airline (!!!!!!! belay belay), and in general the airline "Tatarstan" - sixth hands !!!!! belay better than even the new Superjet and other Russian aircraft products!

I’ll add a little bit about this Boeing - who went to Brazil and had an accident there, then sold to the Bulgarians and transferred to the Tatars in a joint venture, in addition, the airline that owned 5 old bobiks was going to merge them in 2012, but left two, now there’s one left .C of the 67th year, when the bobiks began to produce them, 174 crashed.

[aksakal]

Quote: avt

I’ll add a little about this Boeing - who visited Brazil and had an accident there, then sold to the Bulgarians and transferred to the Tatars in a joint venture, in addition, the airline that owned 5 old bobiks was going to merge them in 2012

- Tin! A hundred years ago, Ford said (paraphrased) - "What is the best complex technical product? NEW!" Here I would agree with Prikazchikov to learn from the Americans! And any "Superjet" is certainly better here than this collapsed junk!
Well, the people who died there were not easy ones, one of the victims was the son of the President of Tatarstan, so I think it's impossible to blame everything on Salikhov and Gutsul. The perpetrators will get theirs, it’s a pity that it is necessary that significant people die, only after this "pleshakov-lovers of Western technology so much that even after Uganda and the accident in Brazil, it will come down, just not Russian!" With a filthy broom they will chase from the key positions for the development of science and technology in Russia, and where the key is private, to hell, resell for a good "uryakalka", or we will ruin to hell!

[avt]

Quote: aksakal

NOT ASHAMED? Why am I, a citizen of a neighboring state, sitting and understanding your self-esteem here, and you - "no, we are uryakalki, nothing will come of us!"

WELL AND .... (understandable here) WITH YOU. Postuganda!

Specifically, it was hammered into the brain and hammered from the early liberoid-Gaidar times that we are "Upper Volta with nuclear missiles". Remember this "joyful discovery" of the early 90s !?

[aksakal]

Quote: avt

Specifically, it was hammered into the brain and hammered from the early liberoid-Gaidar times that we are "Upper Volta with nuclear missiles". Remember this "joyful discovery" of the early 90s !?

- it was like that ... But when you start working specifically in the field of technology and become a professional, it suddenly becomes clear that the quality and technical perfection of the "Western" is, to put it mildly, exaggerated. And it is quite possible to argue and compete with them - there would be a desire.
That's why I am a little angry with the VAF, with all due respect to him? I understand, pros, I understand that Western products have moments for which they can be admired, but you, as a professional, discuss this with the professionals. And so in the 90s they began to openly talk about the shortcomings, but they do not want to talk in detail, and what happens? Look, like the VAF, like, "to write for a long time, in short, ours here sucks in the West - a thing!" 90s, such an inspired Pleshakov and his future wife, were inspired, then they managed to lead something important for the Russian aircraft industry, so they are over there, according to the impressions of their youth, what are they? "If they are better in all respects by 10% with a lower one by 10% - and then we will consider it!" Note, "We will not take, but just start looking closely!" There, northern residents in the United States (not southern, but for some reason northern ones) take only their slop (and they slop compared to Japanese and German) cars! And no one there thinks to call them uryakalka for this! Here again I agree with Prikazchikov - and here you can learn from the Americans!

[sapran]

The Turks wanted to get a car for the price of an old cobra, and almost a new "Apache" in terms of capabilities, which is essentially impracticable. And most importantly, the full production cycle was not transferred to them, and this was put at the head.

[Galinanp]

The same situation as with the choice of India, contrary to the benefits of American helicopters, and the rejection of the agreement on the acquisition of Russian equipment. I think there and there kickbacks plus the political dependence of these countries on the Americans.

[sapran]

vryatli, rather matching requests. If the Hindus need exactly what suits them, they take it; if in doubt, they check it and choose what suits them best.
"crutch" ... I generally don't know why he is better than the old "Apache"