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Session of liberal magic with immediate exposureThe five most popular anti-communist myths


About a month ago, on the eve of the premiere of the epic film by Fyodor Bondarchuk in every sense of the word, my article about liberal myths about the Great Patriotic War was published on KM.RU. But, of course, the story of folklore of supporters of market relations is by no means limited to fables about war. In fact, this is only the upper part of a giant ideological iceberg that our country came across in 1991.

It is clear that there are more liberal fairy tales and more fairy tales, and thematically they are much broader. The propagandists of the “democratic reforms” have proliferated so many varieties of myths that it’s just right to write a whole book to debunk them. Among them are relatively fresh ideological legends, one might say, with the heat of the heat; there are also long-playing players, who were still raised by the democrats of the so-called “first wave”.

Of the variety, I selected the 5 of the most popular anti-communist stamps, both old and completely new. Well, I will try to give my answer to each thesis of liberal propagandists.

So.

Liberal Myth # XXUMX: Socialism is Less Effective than Capitalism

This is an old liberal tale based on the reformist demagogues comparing two Germanies and two Koreas. True, for some reason, the East Germans still nostalgically remember the times of the GDR, and many of them vote for the left, and the overwhelmingly North Koreans do not rush into the “capitalist paradise” of the South.

And in general it would be more correct to compare the same state at different times. And here our long-suffering mother Russia is just an exemplary example of what capitalism can do with the country in just 20-30 years. Before perestroika, we are the second superpower, with a powerful defense complex and space industry, advanced science.

Now, with “effective” capitalism, we are, at best, a regional country whose missiles chronically fall down, Olympic torches go out and for some reason the last stronghold of science, the Russian Academy of Sciences, is being reorganized.

Liberal Myth # XXUMX: Socialism Will Never Return Again

Here the liberals wishful thinking for themselves. Although there is the popular wisdom - “never say never”, and we should not forget anti-communists. I remember that back in 1996, Anatoly Chubais, in the euphoria of Yeltsin’s dubious victory in the presidential election, insisted that the last nail had been driven into the coffin of communism.

However, the years go by, and the left forces buried alive by the head of the Yeltsin electoral headquarters, and now the head of Rosnano, feel great. Last year, the Communists, with whom Chubais still 17 forgiven for years, apparently from that political light, initiated an inspection of his current office by the Accounts Chamber, which resulted in 24 of billion rubles of losses.

The liberal “oracles” in the 1990s said that the supporters of socialism were mostly older people, so support for the idea of ​​a renaissance of the welfare state would be reduced “naturally,” as they were expressed. But in the Communist Party began to come the representatives of new generations. Socialist views are much more popular with young people than their 1990 peers.

Liberal myth №3: under capitalism there is complete creative freedom

Actually, V. I. Lenin gave an exhaustive answer to this, noting: “Freedom of a bourgeois writer, artist, actress is only a disguised (or hypocritically disguised) dependence on a money bag, on bribes, on content” (“Party organization and party literature ").

But for the bourgeoisie and its liberal servants, the leader of the world proletariat is, of course, not a decree, therefore I will state Lenin's thought in my own words. The bourgeoisie until then will adhere to the principle of freedom of creativity, as long as it, this freedom, meets its interests and brings profit. So, the control of a money bag, albeit imperceptible to the eye, is much tighter than that of all Soviet-era art councils and reinsurer editors combined.

What does this lead to? To the degradation of art and literature. In terrible, as some liberal historians believe, the years of Stalinism, our country experienced not only an economic boom, but also a real flourishing in the field of culture. Now the picture is exactly the opposite.

Surely in our time there are Sholokhovs, Shostakovichi and Mukhins, but the society knows nothing about them, because money doesn’t require masterpieces from art, but income. As a result, true creativity is increasingly being replaced by show business, which means that it is becoming more and more difficult for real talents to break through.

Liberal Myth # XXUMX: the successes of socialism are based on blood and violence

If you follow this logic, then, following Berest, Egorov and Kantaria, carrying the red banner of the Great Victory, a whole detachment crawled into the Reichstag dome, so that they would not change their mind at the last moment. Again, following this logic, the competition in the first detachment of Soviet cosmonauts was not due to the desire of test pilots to enter the history, and possible harassment, if they refuse.

To listen to some liberals, one might think that in the times of the USSR, someone was sitting next to every engineer, designer, writer, artist and composer and inspired him with a pistol. In fact, of course, people were moved by completely different feelings - not fear, but the desire to create, to improve. For many representatives of the bourgeoisie, it is simply difficult to imagine that labor enthusiasm is not necessarily associated with material rewards or fear. There are also such things as “inspiration” and “patriotism”.

Was it because of the fear of the NKVD Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya sacrificed her life in the name of the Motherland? Did the family of Alexander Matrosov pay something for him to close the enemy embrasure with his body? No, of course: he was, as you know, an orphan.

This is a serious advantage of socialism over capitalism, where everything is sold and bought. Well, or rented - now the womb of the mother can be rented for money.

So in conclusion - the capitalist hit of all times and peoples, the liberal myth №5

The market will settle everything, balance everything and ensure, the main thing is for the state not to interfere in anything.

Actually, it is a cornerstone, a symbol of faith of liberalism. Although life has long since refuted this postulate, in propaganda mythology, it turned out to be very tenacious, despite all the obvious facts. The capitalist will not support anything socially significant, that does not bring profit - well, if only by whim. Oligarch, rather, will buy another football or basketball club, rather than invest in youth sports in Russia.

The market did not balance anything and could not balance - more precisely, it balanced, but with a huge minus sign. For over the overwhelming majority of types of products, 20 has not reached the level of 1990 of the year, and this was not the best year for the Soviet economy, when the crisis phenomena caused by Gorbachev's restructuring were already felt.

Planned economy actually actually meets the needs of modern society and, by the way, de facto exists in most private companies. If a private entrepreneur needs to understand who is responsible for what, who produces or sells what and what is needed to increase efficiency, so why should the state do without planning?

Summary for gentlemen liberals

Only government regulation will allow to avoid distortions, when some goods, mainly consumer goods, are produced so much that all warehouses are overstocked, and there are no skilled workers for the production of other high-tech goods.

Only in the case of a planned economy, universities will train as many economists, lawyers, and translators as they really need.

Only in a planned economy will money be invested in youth sports schools, and not in foreign clubs. The list of indisputable advantages of a planned economy, which we so mindlessly abandoned by the will of Gaidar, Yeltsin and Chubais in 1990, is endless.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 18 November 2013 06: 50
    52
    Liberals and their liberal ideas completely failed in the 90s when the people drank to the very top of the Chubais and Gaidar reforms.
    It is surprising that the liberals are completely naive that our people support them.
    New reforms (prepayment of housing services) of our beloved DIMONA liberal in housing and communal services are a nail hammered into the coffin of liberalism in Russia as such.

    Liberals know how to destroy well, but they don’t succeed in building anything
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 18 November 2013 06: 55
      27
      Liberalism leads the whole world to disaster and extinction
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 18 November 2013 12: 10
        +7
        Quote: ivshubarin
        Liberalism leads the whole world to disaster and extinction

        Therefore, a return to the system destroyed by them is quite possible. Naturally with some corrections for a while.
    2. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 18 November 2013 06: 58
      57
      To complete the feelings of most of the people, you can rephrase the old adage: "a good liberal is a dead liberal!"
      1. Canep
        Canep 18 November 2013 07: 34
        20
        I would also like to add:
        Liberal Myth # XXUMX: Socialism is Less Effective than Capitalism

        In China, too, socialism and their "ineffective" economy is still breaking records for efficiency. The Chinese are upset about their growth rate of less than 10%, while the "efficient" European economy is enjoying 3% growth.
        Liberal Myth # XXUMX: Socialism Will Never Return Again
        Never say never. Marx is right until no one has denied it by the fact.
        Liberal myth №3: under capitalism there is complete creative freedom
        The first satellite and the first man in space were the result of the fact that the Queen was not forbidden to engage in peaceful space and did not limit his freedom of design creativity, when developing ICBMs as a priority.
        Liberal Myth # XXUMX: the successes of socialism are based on blood and violence
        In Phapala, the chemical firm Union Karbyte killed 2 thousand people - also under capitalism.
        The market will settle everything, balance everything and ensure, the main thing is for the state not to interfere in anything.
        Crisis has already pulled up. The state MUST intervene in business, otherwise the economy is in a fever.
        1. mak210
          mak210 18 November 2013 08: 02
          -22 qualifying.
          Have you read Marx? His main urge is to cancel money, and people will work on consciousness and take as much as they need. A complete utopia, which can only be realized among robots, in his homeland, in Israel, could not do anything, kibbutzim are more likely to die than prosper and exist mainly for losers.

          Yes, and Lenin does not roll something. Rather, we should talk about the model implemented by Stalin by the end of the 50s, as a great practitioner. Just compare the number of officials needed in a planned economy, and so on. market and everything will become clear. This is called: state non-interference in the economy.
          1. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 18 November 2013 08: 09
            10
            Marx hated Russia and the Russians (which is understandable given who paid for his work), but the Communists kept silent about this
            1. mirag2
              mirag2 18 November 2013 09: 38
              0
              Yes, Marx hated Russia-fact.
              And socialism is the most stable, fair, and stable form of statehood.
              And the "myths" are those that the author has listed, nonsense. I don't even know people who think so now.
              1. Canep
                Canep 18 November 2013 09: 44
                +9
                My boss thinks so, I don’t talk about politics at all.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 09: 46
                  +7
                  Quote: Canep
                  My boss thinks so, I don’t talk about politics at all.

                  Probably more accurate will be, he is not talking to you about politics wink
                  1. Canep
                    Canep 18 November 2013 10: 21
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Probably more accurate will be, he is not talking to you about politics

                    More precisely, we are not talking about politics. Although talk about the economy is quite frequent. Salary has nothing to do with it, he does not decide.
                2. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 18 November 2013 14: 03
                  +4
                  Quote: Canep
                  My boss thinks so, I don’t talk about politics at all.


                  Well then, a present from him to me Liberal Periodic TableLet the cabinet hang on the wall

            2. luka095
              luka095 18 November 2013 22: 48
              0
              Marx could hate anything - Russia, rhinos, aliens ... This has nothing to do with his analysis of capitalism. And who paid for his labors? Do you mean Engels?
          2. kotvov
            kotvov 18 November 2013 09: 33
            +3
            and how many now in Russia, with a “market” economy, bureaucrats?
            1. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 18 November 2013 09: 56
              +5
              Bo Anderson, having come to GAZ, reduced the ITR staff by 50% (car production did not fall), the Germans are doing the same in KAMAZ, and AvtoVAZ is in line. How many parasites fed
              1. skeptic-
                skeptic- 18 November 2013 11: 08
                +4
                Quote: ivshubarin
                Bo Anderson, having come to GAZ, reduced the ITR staff by 50% (car production did not fall), the Germans are doing the same in KAMAZ, and AvtoVAZ is in line. How many parasites fed


                It is quite logical, since during the transition to anarchic capitalism, all "grain" places were overgrown with "effective managers", like the bottom of a ship - shells. And the economy of the former USSR was much stronger than the one that went to socialism after the Civil War and the intervention of the "friends" of the capitalists. There is something to compare the efforts of a liberian thief - capitalism, the biggest swamp for human souls.
              2. varov14
                varov14 18 November 2013 14: 57
                +2
                It turns out, for the good of the matter, is it time for the Germans to replace the Chubaisyatin, or will we manage ourselves in another social formation?
            2. Sandov
              Sandov 18 November 2013 12: 12
              +5
              Quote: kotvov
              and how many now in Russia, with a “market” economy, bureaucrats?

              At times more than under the Communists, they drink blood.
            3. I am a Russian
              I am a Russian 18 November 2013 19: 15
              0
              Quote: kotvov
              and how many now in Russia, with a “market” economy, bureaucrats?


              too d **** ... hard for a simple worker. Home-grown unions ... no one to protect.

              It is not uncommon for situations that turn out like this - you work less, and you get more.
          3. Bakht
            Bakht 18 November 2013 10: 20
            +8
            Have you read Marx?

            Please quote about the cancellation of money. This is probably why Marx's Capital is included in the compulsory work in Western universities for economists. Marx's model of economics has not been canceled.

            It would be nice to compare the number of officials in the most successful country of capitalism and in the USSR. The number of officials in the United States was greater than under socialism in the USSR. Despite the fact that during the late Brezhnev, their number increased significantly. It would be interesting to see how they multiplied under Stalin. According to the International Bank, the number of officials under capitalism is much higher than under socialism.

            http://demoscope.ru/weekly/2003/097/analit02.php
            1. mak210
              mak210 18 November 2013 14: 19
              0
              I just read it. Marx generally does not have the concept of a transition period to communism in the form of socialism, Lenin came up with it when he realized, having tried to switch to a distribution-forced system in the 18th year, that without money, as the equivalent of labor, the economy does not spin.

              And at the universities, not only Marx is studied, but also the rest of the philosophers, starting with Pythagoras, are studied. So what?
            2. mak210
              mak210 18 November 2013 14: 33
              0
              The number of officials in the United States was greater than under socialism in the USSR.


              Why so? After all, the market (according to Gaidar) regulates itself, but under Brezhnev they did not allow anyone to breathe, each had supervision. The paradox, however.

              And here are quite convincing data from our http://www.kaig.ru/rf/clerks.pdf It is easy to see that with the so-called. To the scoop, their numbers have been falling in total costs, and now they are growing by leaps and bounds. Do not cope with the "self-regulating" market, however.
          4. nov_tech.vrn
            nov_tech.vrn 18 November 2013 11: 15
            +3
            most likely you have not read either one or the other. As for the Kibbutzim, you are right, but in a global world utopian projects are not viable, and the economy is being managed all over the world, but not directly and, naturally, in the interests of managers. Socialist economists are really canceled in words, and their achievements are slowly being used, the liberal myth of the market is widely used only for the collapse and external control of the economies of third countries.
          5. varov14
            varov14 18 November 2013 14: 49
            +1
            "This is called: non-interference of the state in the economy." --- This is just the golden age of an official, they breed like cockroaches, they don't interfere anywhere, they are not responsible for anything. This will continue until they are poisoned like cockroaches.
          6. luka095
            luka095 18 November 2013 22: 45
            +1
            Have you read it? Marx's "Call" is an analysis of the capitalism of his time. And this analysis has not yet been refuted. It is still being studied, and not only by the communists ...
            You attribute to Marx a certain idea, then you subvert it. And what does Marx have to do with it?
            “Yes, and Lenin doesn’t roll. Rather, we need to talk about the model implemented by Stalin by the end of the 50s, as a great practitioner. Just compare the number of officials needed in a planned economy and the so-called market and everything will become clear. called: non-interference of the state in the economy. "
            In short - in the elderberry garden and in Kiev uncle! This is a conclusion from your analysis of Lenin and Stalin. Do not blame me. What you write is read ...
      2. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq 18 November 2013 10: 32
        +1
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        To complete the feelings of most of the people, you can rephrase the old adage: "a good liberal is a dead liberal!"

        I agree completely, I’ll just add:
        "A dead liberal is the key to success" .....
    3. the polar
      the polar 18 November 2013 07: 37
      10
      Quote: The same Lech
      Liberals and their liberal ideas completely failed in the 90s when the people drank to the very top of the Chubais and Gaidar reforms.
      It is surprising that the liberals are completely naive that our people support them.
      New reforms (prepayment of housing services) of our beloved DIMONA liberal in housing and communal services are a nail hammered into the coffin of liberalism in Russia as such.

      Liberals know how to destroy well, but they don’t succeed in building anything

      Do not forget that the "dearly beloved dimona" was chosen and approved for this place by an even cooler liberal Putin
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 08: 11
        +3
        Quote: Polar
        even cooler liberal Putin

        Putin is a liberal? And who then in the USA, really socialists.
        1. Ribwort
          Ribwort 18 November 2013 10: 23
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Putin is a liberal?

          The dominance of migrants and the indulgence of this on the part of the official authorities, a tolerant attitude to their tricks (the main thing is profit), bureaucratic arbitrariness, total corruption ... And Putin’s reluctance to deal with these problems. Although not. In words, he is fighting, threatens to fire ... Serdyukov was fired, you know. Or is it not his fault that in the state which he heads, thieves instead of the camera are at the next feeding trough? Chubais, again ... That's why the loop has been crying for a long time, but ... not 37 years old though. The Accounting Chamber annually reveals the theft of billions of rubles, so what? Do not hand over your own? Gaidar the other day put a monument ...
          He is not only a liberal, worse - a real bandit. And the roof of the same bandits.
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 18 November 2013 12: 13
            +6
            Quote: Ribwort
            He is not only a liberal

            He is not a liberal, he is a pet lover! Sterkhov loves Amur tigers, and all sorts of other black animals, but for the people he’s just poh.!
            1. Timeout
              Timeout 18 November 2013 13: 15
              -2
              And some kind of animal lovers are minus! Or Putinophiles?
              1. Timeout
                Timeout 18 November 2013 13: 21
                -1
                Like Putinophiles!
                1. Timeout
                  Timeout 18 November 2013 13: 59
                  +1
                  Dear, at least write for what minus! And that behavior, rear-wheel drive, so to speak!
                  1. Timeout
                    Timeout 18 November 2013 14: 16
                    0
                    Comrades commented on themselves!
      2. Kushadasov
        Kushadasov 18 November 2013 08: 58
        +2
        even cooler liberal Putin


        Well, I personally, all the same, put LADIES in the first place. This is definitely a liberal in its purest form. Putin is less liberal. And perhaps his liberality is connected with the desire to maneuver between the people and the so-called elite, "both ours and yours."
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 18 November 2013 09: 37
          +3
          I don’t think that maneuvers between the elite and the people, rather between the oligarchs and the so-called natural monopolies, essentially the same oligarchs, under the state roof.
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 18 November 2013 12: 34
          +4
          Quote: Kushadasov
          Well, I personally, all the same, put DAM in the first place
        3. Grenader
          Grenader 18 November 2013 13: 23
          +2
          Quote: Kushadasov
          Well, I personally, all the same, put LADIES in the first place. This is definitely a liberal in its purest form. Putin is less liberal. And perhaps his liberality is connected with the desire to maneuver between the people and the so-called elite, "both ours and yours."

          Is it less liberal? That is, not a complete p.i.d.o.
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 18 November 2013 14: 29
            +6
            About DAM there is such a moment:

            Glasses from Cartier, "Panther" for women!
            Looks infected
      3. APES
        APES 18 November 2013 09: 09
        +3
        Quote: Polar
        selected and approved for this place


        I think we don’t know these people, smart people don’t glow

        Quote: Polar
        cooler liberal Putin


        Bravo! Nobody has so insulted him yet. laughing
    4. zvereok
      zvereok 18 November 2013 07: 51
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      New reforms (prepayment of housing services) of our beloved DIMONA liberal in housing and communal services are a nail hammered into the coffin of liberalism in Russia as such.


      Dimona?
    5. rodevaan
      rodevaan 18 November 2013 08: 11
      +2
      Quote: The same Lech

      New reforms (prepayment of housing services) of our beloved DIMONA liberal in housing and communal services are a nail hammered into the coffin of liberalism in Russia as such.



      - ON you are not DIMOON! (c) :)))
    6. APES
      APES 18 November 2013 09: 03
      +5
      Quote: The same Lech
      ideas completely failed in the 90 years


      Nevertheless, in 1996, why did Zyuganov win the election and refuse to win?

      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The liberals are completely naive that our people support them.


      they are fully aware of this, that this is not

      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      our beloved DIMONA-liberal in housing and communal services is a nail hammered into the lid


      unfortunately, they are more likely to harm the Russian Federation and its people, and they are doing it with feverish speed - realizing that there is not much time left.

      PS
      As far as communism in Russia is concerned, in my opinion, it is necessary to change the top (Zyuganov) to activate it, but now it is built into the vertical, and everyone "in power" is happy with it.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 18 November 2013 09: 40
        +4
        As far as communism in Russia is concerned, in my opinion, it is necessary to change the top (Zyuganov) to activate it, but now it is built into the vertical, and everyone "in power" is happy with it.
        Yes, it’s not built in now, but for a long time, from the beginning of 90.
      2. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 18 November 2013 12: 39
        +1
        Quote: APES
        Nevertheless, in 1996, why did Zyuganov win the election and refuse to win?

        Is there any actual evidence of this, or is it just Karaulov’s talk?
        1. APES
          APES 18 November 2013 14: 39
          +2
          good afternoon, glad to see you hi

          Quote: Yarosvet
          actual confirmations


          1996 - he is far away (although I remember the mood of the people - whom I asked everyone - the answer was one - of course - this is not the whole country, but ... - a significant part of it yes ), and it doesn’t matter already.

          in 2011, in parallel with the elections, there was a poll in contact (which miraculously disappeared)

          over a million users voted in the survey, the result:

          Communist Party - 44%
          EDRO - 29%

          further all the rest ........
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 18 November 2013 14: 48
          +2
          -------------------------------------------
          1. APES
            APES 18 November 2013 15: 16
            +1
            Where did the then head of the CEC go? What about him?
            Do you mean Ryabov Nikolai Timofeevich?

            the story of Swan is understandable. about 1996 year - as you indicated (the ballots disappeared) - where is it really?

            Regarding what I said about the "top" - this is purely my subjective opinion (somehow everything is sluggish) - I hope you do not mind that I voiced it? hi
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 18 November 2013 16: 48
              +1
              I was not interested in where, but as far as I know, there is no actual evidence of Zu’s passing the election (that’s why I ask), and all kinds of speculations on this score are nothing more than speculation.
    7. Patton5
      Patton5 18 November 2013 13: 12
      +1
      I advise everyone who has not read, Kara-Murza Sergei Georgievich "From the beginning to the Great Victory", "From the Great Victory to the collapse", "Manipulation of consciousness." In simple and understandable language, what and why. hi
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 18 November 2013 15: 43
        0
        Quote: Patton5
        In a simple and understandable language, what and why.

        Well, the language there is not quite simple laughing It is very difficult to read, I read the paragraph, I thought for an hour, but in fact it is such a storehouse of information that you marvel at the mind of this person. And this Mind is Bright. This is who you need as advisers to the president. And the layout gives the full.
  2. dark_65
    dark_65 18 November 2013 06: 51
    +4
    Good article, the question is different (I quote the classic, "Landing where?".
    Such trifles are not enough, landings, and hilling.
    1. Kushadasov
      Kushadasov 18 November 2013 10: 53
      +1
      yeah. start planting - the universal stench and squeals of liberals, lawyers and foreign "partners" about the "return of 37 years" will rise. So it turns out that the thief is sitting on the thief, and if they are caught, then the sanctions against them are simply ridiculous. The President is cautious, cautious ... They do not want or cannot understand that with the liberalization of the laws of order and justice in the country there will be NO.
      1. Ribwort
        Ribwort 18 November 2013 11: 02
        +3
        Quote: Kushadasov
        The President is cautious, he is cautious.

        Therefore, he is cautious that he himself is from the same cohort. He directly stated that we were not giving up "ours".
        1. Ribwort
          Ribwort 18 November 2013 11: 26
          +4
          Why minus? Then name the objective reasons why the president is being "cautious"? Just do not need tales that he is frightened by the cries of human rights activists and pro-Western liberals. When it was not about the people and the country, but about the money of the elites, as in the case of Magnitsky and the act adopted in the United States, I did not notice that he would be scared of something. Or maybe I don't understand something about what the president's priorities should be?
          PS But Lukashenko, for example, is not afraid of nichrome. Maybe because there’s nothing to be afraid of, there’s another reason ...
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 18 November 2013 12: 20
            +4
            Quote: Ribwort
            and about the money of the elites,

            Yeah, especially during the Cyprus crisis. How he moved! He moved better when our diplomats are beaten!
  3. smel
    smel 18 November 2013 06: 53
    10
    The list goes on. But the trouble is, for some reason, the liberals from this list will not execute anyone. For half a bucket of potatoes, chicken or a handful of nails - easy. But for the collapse of the economy, education, science of the army, in the end, no. Strange democracy.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 18 November 2013 07: 53
      +4
      Quote: smel
      The list goes on. But the trouble is, for some reason, the liberals from this list will not execute anyone. For half a bucket of potatoes, chicken or a handful of nails - easy. But for the collapse of the economy, education, science of the army, in the end, no. Strange democracy.


      The main principle of the law is not severity, but inevitability of punishment. There are problems with this in our country. There are no problems with the severity.
  4. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 18 November 2013 06: 54
    +2
    I fully agree with the author
  5. a52333
    a52333 18 November 2013 06: 57
    11
    Capitalism, with its "crises of overproduction", is like a snake that bites its own tail every 30 years. From the point of view of the people, I will say that the Soviet man was kinder and more honest than the capitalist.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 18 November 2013 08: 17
      +5
      If it were not for the collapse of the USSR, which opened a huge market for them, capitalism would have long been bent. The task of capital is to free the way for its products, so we were dragged into the WTO, the catch of obtaining a loan for Greece, the liberals are destroying the national military-industrial complex, is nothing sacred
      1. teleset
        teleset 18 November 2013 10: 52
        +3
        Exactly. Why do we need the WTO this question asks the whole country. Putin put Chubaisik in RAOEES in order to allow all electricity to be driven to Europe and for us to drive energy rations. Oh, and they wait 17 years.
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 18 November 2013 11: 16
          +1
          What was good in 17? The collapse of the Russian Empire is good in your opinion
          1. teleset
            teleset 18 November 2013 11: 34
            0
            in 17, people, too, did not take a good life on the path of revolution. I think the story can be repeated with such a policy of the liberals.
          2. nov_tech.vrn
            nov_tech.vrn 18 November 2013 12: 05
            +6
            small as they say .... with, the Russian empire was destroyed l-b-e-r-a-l-s in February, and the Bolsheviks picked up its remains, in October and the civil war was fueled primarily by enlightened Europeans, and even their troops sent, which also made a considerable contribution to the defeat of the economic complex of Russia. And the USSR destroyed the same liberoid talkers, while using economic illiteracy and personal ambitions of the weak-willed Tsar Gorbachev and the hatred of the ambitious offended Prince Yeltsin.
            1. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 18 November 2013 14: 15
              -1
              The Russian empire was ruined by Western money, because the pace of RI development scared everyone. With 30 million people under Peter under Nicholas II there were already 139 million.
              1. Nikolay D.
                Nikolay D. 18 November 2013 19: 18
                0
                Quote: ivshubarin
                because the pace of RI development scared everyone


                Apparently that's why RI completely leaked the WWI to the Japanese, or was it a conspiracy against the king?
                1. ivshubarin
                  ivshubarin 19 November 2013 05: 06
                  0
                  Losing at the beginning of the war did not mean that it would have been lost. Japan, with the help of England, bargained for peace, because it understood the protracted war with Russia would not win. And the revolutions of 1917 that led to the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia were super-operations of foreign intelligence
                  1. Nikolay D.
                    Nikolay D. 19 November 2013 09: 46
                    +1
                    Quote: ivshubarin
                    Losing at the beginning of the war did not mean that it would have been lost.


                    We are now talking about the consequences, the primary reason lies in the backwardness of the Republic of Ingushetia's economy, and the fact that the people are tired of the mediocre policy, poverty, lawlessness on the part of the "bourgeois" (everything is almost the same as now), which is why, with his consent, the revolution took place , which would not be if everything was as good as you describe.

                    "The history of old Russia consisted, among other things, in the fact that it was continuously beaten for backwardness. The Mongol khans were beaten. The Turkish beks were beaten. The Swedish feudal lords were beaten. The Polish-Lithuanian lords were beaten. The Anglo-French capitalists were beaten. Japanese barons were beaten. for backwardness. For military backwardness, for cultural backwardness, for state backwardness, for industrial backwardness, for agricultural backwardness. They beat him because it was profitable and went with impunity. "
                    I.V. Stalin, 4.02.1931/XNUMX/XNUMX

                    Learn to think critically.
  6. major071
    major071 18 November 2013 06: 58
    11
    Under the planned economy of the USSR, all branches of industry and agriculture were developed in our country. The Liberasts destroyed everything, and now continue to do the same, promoting some strange reforms. And for what? In order to grab a little more in your pocket, and there even though the grass does not grow. The people who think the least now. We got used to being silent in a rag.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 18 November 2013 07: 04
      +7
      Still would throw people to their fate - get out as you can yourself.
  7. predator.3
    predator.3 18 November 2013 07: 16
    17
    Last year, the Communists, with whom Chubais said goodbye for another 17 years, apparently from that political world initiated an audit of his current office by the Accounts Chamber, which revealed 24 billion dollars damages.


    24 billion and with red, like water from a goose!

    And here our long-suffering mother Russia is just an exemplary example of what capitalism can do with the country in just 20-30 years. Before perestroika, we are the second superpower, with a powerful defense complex and the space industry, advanced science.


    And now in Russia, a Thief sits on a thief and drives a thief!
    1. sashka
      sashka 18 November 2013 09: 33
      +4
      I do not agree with the picture. There are no two main radiant ones. There is no perduk, Vasilyeva, etc. There isn’t enough wall. And this little thing. The fish given for torturing by CANCER .. This means the position of the body.)))
  8. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 18 November 2013 07: 18
    +3
    Of course, the author turned down about North Korea, but everything else is true! good
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 08: 14
      +2
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      Of course, the author turned down about North Korea,

      And very much, they would have rushed south, but it’s difficult under the sights of machine guns.
  9. a
    a 18 November 2013 07: 20
    -25 qualifying.
    I read a quick article. everything was clear immediately. liberalism is his. indiscriminately. for the answer I chose only the last paragraphs
    _______________________________________________________________________
    Only government regulation will allow to avoid distortions, when some goods, mainly consumer goods, are produced so much that all warehouses are overstocked, and there are no skilled workers for the production of other high-tech goods.

    Only in the case of a planned economy, universities will train as many economists, lawyers, and translators as they really need.

    Only in a planned economy will money be invested in youth sports schools, and not in foreign clubs. The list of indisputable advantages of a planned economy, which we so mindlessly abandoned by the will of Gaidar, Yeltsin and Chubais in 1990, is endless.
    ______________________________________________________________________

    There has long been a division of labor in the world. someone makes consumer goods, and someone else. and not to say that if someone makes consumer goods then he lives worse. It is high time for us to understand that we cannot and cannot cover everything. even advanced economies are not able to do this.
    In a planned economy, few people were interested in whom universities produce. from my class, everyone who graduated from a university, and this is 100%, no one is already working in their specialty. long. many have not worked in their specialty since the days of the USSR. training specialists in universities should be regulated by the economy. not someone’s desires.
    With an unplanned economy, the West won the battle for sport. and judging by the results of the OI with significant advantages.

    dear author, probably forgot how ordinary people lived in a planned economy — queues, fights in queues, cards, coupons. somewhere from the age of 15 I have not seen sausages in our big city on sale. the author wants to say that this is better than what it is now.
    in fact, this article is a collection of monotonous bogeys that wander from one author to another. moreover, all authors hypocrites so weakly.
    no one says that liberalism is the solution to all problems. but sorry, a planned economy is definitely not better. probably the truth is somewhere in between.
    and further. liberalism itself is a collection of some kind of common words. like communism, socialism and other isms .. the other thing is how all this is realized in practice. since we realized communism and socialism, it’s better not to.
    1. Oldish
      Oldish 18 November 2013 07: 51
      +8
      For me personally, China is an example of how not to fall into liberalism to correct the mistakes of socialism.
      The idea of ​​Lenin with the NEP was perhaps correct. But for some reason, in our unfortunate countries, the liberals have adopted the slogan, “We will destroy the old world, and to the ground.” And then at least a flood.
      As for the dispute, liberals vs socialists ... Man is a social being. And everything that puts egoism at the forefront will not benefit humanity as a species.
      What we are already observing in principle. Thieves, rapists, bribe takers, robbers, etc. all have one name - asocial elements. And one reason for the mass appearance is an ideology affirming the primacy of the individual over society i.e. liberalism.
      1. a
        a 18 November 2013 13: 22
        +4
        about China, your example is not the topic. liberalism is flourishing in China right now. truth under the vigilant eye of the CCP. but how else could one call that economic condition when there are many billionaires and multimillionaires in the country? socialism? and further. in China there is merciless exploitation of the population. for the same workers who work for the most advanced companies, earnings are fabulously low. and the working day often goes off scale in 12 hours. do you think just so many world companies transferred their production to China? yes no .. they were transferred there because the work force there is very cheap. much cheaper than in Russia. those working conditions that are in Russia for ordinary Chinese will seem paradise. so the example of China is not very correct.
        about the generality. Well, I agree that our society is more communal than western. but what does this have to do with liberalism or socialism?
        1. Oldish
          Oldish 18 November 2013 22: 57
          0
          Quote: uno
          liberalism is flourishing in China right now.


          The social system is not determined by the number of millionaires and billionaires :). And to say that in China liberalism, I'm sorry is just ridiculous.
          Or do you a priori claim that exploitation happens only under socialism? I have a 12 hour work day when I'm at sea. This is if there is no force majeure, but if there is something to the stop. Despite the fact that I am not a worker, but a very engineer. And my master is quite a liberal Italian :)
          Further. About our "community", as you put it, I did not say anything. It was about humanity as a species, which for survival and development requires that its individual members limit themselves in some way. Sometimes they even donated. While the very ideology of liberalism denies this.
          The name comes, if I am not mistaken from the word liberty - freedom. So we got this "freedom". And when you look into the empty eyes of a gopnik who explains in court that he needed a phone, he took it. And when you try to convince another car enthusiast that a playground is not a place to park. And in response you hear: - And where should I put it? In both cases, you are dealing with a liberal ideology. Since both the keywords are "Me" and "I".
          Socialism is aimed at the prosperity of society, if necessary, at the expense of personal freedom. And if society needs healthy children and smart youth, and this is necessary for any society, then children receive practically free pioneer camps, and young people receive a bunch of universities with scholarships. But adult bachelors receive a "tax on eggs". Who lived under the USSR remembers.
          Under liberalism ("freedom"), the child is of interest only to his own parents. Therefore, dad - takes bribes or steals, mom - teaches that this is how it should be. And society (we that is) gets one Harvard student and several dozen drug addicts. By the way, the first does not exclude the second. the owner of the club where the son of the bribe is resting is also a liberal. And he also needs money for his son's studies, and "stamps" are very conducive to this.
          These are the pies. Bon Appetit!
    2. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 18 November 2013 08: 21
      12
      Quote: uno
      dear author, probably forgot how ordinary people lived in a planned economy — queues, fights in queues, cards, coupons.

      It appeared during the Gorbachev region. In earlier times, I personally have not seen this !!!
      Quote: uno
      I haven’t seen sausages in our big city for about 15 years of my age

      In 15 for years I was not interested in where what is in the stores, there were more interesting activities and the refrigerator was not empty.
      Quote: uno
      from my class, everyone who graduated from a university, and this is 100%, no one is already working in their specialty.

      This may indicate that you did not choose your specialty and took someone else's place in the university or even went to the university for the sake of the prestige of a diploma of higher education.
      Or did someone drive you there with a stick or poke a pistol in the back?
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 18 November 2013 09: 39
        +4
        Yes, he is a vivid example of a man's sponge, he has been absorbing the bourgeoisie for 10 years, he thinks in cliches ... He didn’t have enough sausages negative
        from my class, everyone who graduated from a university, and this is 100%, no one is already working in their specialty.
        If you were about fifteen years old when your favorite delicacy disappeared from the shelves (this is approximately the second half of the 80X), then you went to college in the early 90s .... what to talk about next ....
        1. a
          a 18 November 2013 12: 33
          -1
          Quote: Patton5
          If you were about fifteen when your favorite delicacy disappeared from the shelves (this is approximately the second half of the 80X) then you went to college in the early 90s .... what to talk about next


          ordinary sausage, not smoked, but just boiled, became scarce already in the late 70s .. so your calculations when I went to college are not true.
      2. a
        a 18 November 2013 12: 31
        0
        Quote: antiaircrafter
        It appeared during the Gorbachev region. In earlier times, I personally have not seen this !!!


        In our millionth city already in the late 70s there were problems with usually sausage. the fact that you personally have not seen the queues does not yet say that they were not there.

        Quote: antiaircrafter
        In 15 for years I was not interested in where what is in the stores, there were more interesting activities and the refrigerator was not empty.


        Well, I went to the store all the time. mom worked for god knows how many jobs. there was no father. so I know what was in the stores and what was not

        Quote: antiaircrafter
        This may indicate that you did not choose your specialty and took someone else's place in the university or even went to the university for the sake of the prestige of a diploma of higher education.
        Or did someone drive you there with a stick or poke a pistol in the back?


        Well, this may also indicate that the specialists who produced universities were not in demand.
        1. zardoz
          zardoz 18 November 2013 12: 55
          +1
          Chezh out of town? As far as I know, millionaires differed in a different supply category from smaller cities. Lugansk was up to half a million and I don’t even remember the problems with sausage. She even blew - I remember that
          1. a
            a 18 November 2013 14: 00
            +1
            Quote: zardoz
            Chezh out of town? As far as I know, millionaires differed in a different supply category from smaller cities. Lugansk was up to half a million and I don’t even remember the problems with sausage. She even blew - I remember that


            Chelyabinsk.
            in Ukraine it was always better with food than in Russia. I remember it well, because I defended my diploma in Kiev. and in every train from Kiev he drove a lot of sausages home.
          2. Boris63
            Boris63 18 November 2013 21: 04
            0
            Mining areas have always, under the USSR, been supplied more than decently. They visited b in the middle zone of Russia in those days, they saw b.
        2. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 18 November 2013 18: 07
          0
          Quote: uno
          the fact that you personally have not seen the queues does not yet say that they were not there.

          I saw, for vodka - again under the Gorbachev region, and for milk, because it was brought in fresh from the dairy.
          Quote: uno
          whose specialists produced universities were not in demand.

          And what did you go to an unclaimed specialty? Surely from great love for her.
    3. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 18 November 2013 08: 30
      11
      Quote: uno
      There has long been a division of labor in the world. someone makes consumer goods, and someone else. and not to say that if someone makes consumer goods then he lives worse. It is high time for us to understand that we cannot and cannot cover everything. even advanced economies are not able to do this.

      Are you satisfied with the division of labor, according to which the "golden billion" needs Russia in order to pump oil and gas? Now the situation is essentially not much different from previous centuries, when "advanced economic countries" robbed the rest. The wrapper is just different, more colorful.
      The USSR managed to produce everything from needles to rockets. There are few countries in the world that can be self-sufficient as our country.
      1. I am
        I am 18 November 2013 10: 01
        +5
        And we must return to this. And urgently. And even the needles are already Chinese !!!!
      2. a
        a 18 November 2013 12: 35
        -1
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        Are you satisfied with the division of labor, according to which the "golden billion" needs Russia in order to pump oil and gas? Now the situation is essentially not much different from previous centuries, when "advanced economic countries" robbed the rest. The wrapper is just different, more colorful.
        The USSR managed to produce everything from needles to rockets. There are few countries in the world that can be self-sufficient as our country.


        I'm not happy. but a lot of things don't suit me. the oil and gas game, by the way, the country was planted by the Soviet government back in the late 70s.
        Well, they did everything in a row .. and overruled .. in my opinion, even the States can not afford to produce absolutely everything
    4. Proud.
      Proud. 18 November 2013 08: 38
      +9
      Quote: uno
      dear author, probably forgot how ordinary people lived in a planned economy — queues, fights in queues, cards, coupons. somewhere from the age of 15 I have not seen sausages in our big city on sale

      Dear uno, he probably forgot, or does not want to remember, that the principles of a planned economy, borrowed from the USSR, allowed the United States to get out of the economic crisis, on the eve of VM. You forgot that now the share of state participation in the economy, in the USA, is quite large. there is a planned economy. You forgot that the largest corporations in Japan use a planned economy. The ones you listed (lines, cards, coupons) are not the result of a planned economy. And the deliberate destruction of the economy in general. Normal diversion.
      1. a
        a 18 November 2013 12: 40
        +1
        Quote: Be proud.
        Dear uno, he probably forgot, or does not want to remember, that the principles of a planned economy, borrowed from the USSR, allowed the United States to get out of the economic crisis, on the eve of VM. You forgot that now the share of state participation in the economy, in the USA, is quite large. there is a planned economy. You forgot that the largest corporations in Japan use a planned economy. The ones you listed (lines, cards, coupons) are not the result of a planned economy. And the deliberate destruction of the economy in general. Normal diversion.



        No, I have not forgotten. and you apparently read poorly what I wrote. I wrote that there are flaws in all isms ... and that the truth lies somewhere in between. only after all, the author of the article presses solely on plannedness .. the type of how everything was great when everything was planned .. but it wasn’t great. Well, I also indicated that it depends on how to implement everything. no luck in our country with distributors. neither in the days of the USSR, nor now.
    5. alex13-61
      alex13-61 18 November 2013 08: 48
      +6
      Quote: uno
      With an unplanned economy, the West won the battle for sport. and judging by the results of the OI with significant advantages.

      Are you kidding ??? Look how many medals the countries of the socialist camp took at the Olympic Games. And compare the% of the population of the socialist camp and capitalist countries ...
      Quote: uno
      somewhere from the age of 15 I have not seen sausages in our big city on sale for free.

      In your city there was no co-trading? Everyone just wanted 1.80 or 2.20. And there were no problems with meat on the market
      1. a
        a 18 November 2013 12: 47
        -1
        Quote: alex13-61
        Are you kidding ??? Look how many medals "took" the countries of the socialist camp at the Olympic Games. And compare the% of the population of the socialist camp and capitalist countries.


        how many medals they took I know. took a lot. but in the USA there was no planned economy, and no. in the full sense of the word. but now they take a lot more medals than we do. it’s not a matter of planning ..
        in Soviet times, for the USSR, victories in sports were, among other things, ideological. while Western countries did not attach much attention to this at that time. already in the 80s, they realized that sport can also show the benefits of a particular ideology and began to relate to sport differently. from that and they have more victories. and we come out without a planned economy can not do anything in sport? so what?

        Quote: alex13-61
        In your city there was no co-trading? Everyone just wanted 1.80 or 2.20. And there were no problems with meat on the market


        it was not possible to go to the market. Mom raised the two of us alone. try to go to the market with a salary of 100 rubles. the market is now not for everyone.
        1. zardoz
          zardoz 18 November 2013 13: 00
          +2
          I have a former employee on the salary of an engineer (100 rubles) traveled the whole union and traveled to Poland. Travel packages mainly. It was in her youth.
        2. alex13-61
          alex13-61 19 November 2013 11: 32
          0
          Quote: uno
          . Mom raised the two of us alone.

          My mother raised my best friend and his two sisters. In the 90s he left for the USA, longed in, but got on his feet, received citizenship. Now, in a conversation, I asked him a question: in the current conditions would the mother of you three raise? The answer is no. What I asked him about, he communicates with the sisters, they live in Ukraine.
        3. alex13-61
          alex13-61 19 November 2013 12: 25
          0
          Quote: uno
          we come out without a planned economy can not do anything in sport?

          Without a planned economy and under conditions of "wild capitalism", it turns out - we can do nothing ...
    6. Kushadasov
      Kushadasov 18 November 2013 09: 03
      +8
      dear author, probably forgot how ordinary people lived in a planned economy — queues, fights in queues, cards, coupons. somewhere from the age of 15 I have not seen sausages in our big city on sale. the author wants to say that this is better than what it is now.


      Bravo, uno! This is just another myth of the liberals.

      Kohl touched on the topic of sausage (apparently a sore topic), so please draw the respected Uno to the quality with which this and another product is being produced. Deception and substitution at every turn.
      1. a
        a 18 November 2013 12: 55
        0
        Quote: Kushadasov
        Bravo, uno! This is just another myth of the liberals.

        Kohl touched on the topic of sausage (apparently a sore topic), so please draw the respected Uno to the quality with which this and another product is being produced. Deception and substitution at every turn.


        Well, why is the myth. it was a reality. from the end of the 70s to .... if you didn’t have this, then you should not generalize to the whole country. Yes, and you probably heard about sausage trains from neighboring Moscow regions .. I was not their witness, but this was written in all the media of the USSR. but in the late Soviet times, I personally brought home bags of sausage from Kiev. because we didn’t have it even then.
        as for your passage about the substitution .. well, I don’t know. maybe there is. I'm not labarotorium. but now there is a choice.
        1. yur
          yur 18 November 2013 23: 57
          +2
          If the communists, disrespected by you, dared to produce sausage with 20% of meat and "Student" sausages with 8% of meat, then these products would most likely be distributed free of charge, and not in queues for them. And further. How many people do you think would agree to stand in lines now to get an apartment instantly (in the agricultural sector), in 2-3 years in a large city (working at a construction site) and in 8-10 years, working in any organization ?!
      2. 123321
        123321 18 November 2013 13: 32
        +2
        I want to add that if today's sausage corresponded to the quality of that time! That price of sausage today for a kilo would be: 1500 rubles. !!!
        On the topic of the day: Onishchenko found meat in Belarusian sausage!
    7. user
      user 18 November 2013 09: 15
      10
      Well brother, you have to have a bite!
      You are not alone in that country, and write a similar nonsense for the younger generation who didn’t live there and can believe it, but on this site I think such a minority. When I sometimes start talking with my people about life in that country, they sometimes don’t believe right away, how can one believe about a rent of several rubles, electricity for a few cents per kilowatt, children’s rest in pioneer camps almost for free about union tickets, again for a penny, food children in schools for 1 ruble 50 kopecks per week.
      Your statements are like Zhvanetsky's "there is nothing in the stores, but everyone has full refrigerators", and there were problems with sausage because the middle class in the USSR was, according to Americans, 80%, i.e. almost any citizen of the USSR could afford what an above-average businessman can now afford.
      1. a
        a 18 November 2013 12: 59
        +2
        I'm not your brother. and I do not drink. generally.

        I'm not saying that there was nothing good in that country. Yes, my mother sent me to a pioneer camp every summer. however, nobody gave me any trade union vouchers for children. although he paid his dues regularly. but I generally did not say that it was bad or good. I just said that the planned economy has its "charms". read my posts to the end. maybe you will understand what I am writing.
        1. zardoz
          zardoz 18 November 2013 13: 04
          +1
          Well, you write with this statement that the lack of the same sausage and unnecessary graduates of universities
          1. a
            a 18 November 2013 13: 14
            0
            Quote: zardoz
            Well, you write with this statement that the lack of the same sausage and unnecessary graduates of universities


            but she was not there. and about graduates, the economy should regulate what kind of personnel it needs, and not some bureaucrat. and I didn’t talk about unnecessary graduates. it was about another. that the USSR also didn’t really follow what kind of specialists were needed.
            1. zardoz
              zardoz 18 November 2013 13: 17
              0
              But she was :)

              Quote: uno
              In a planned economy, few people were interested in whom universities produce. from my class, everyone who graduated from a university, and this is 100%, no one is already working in their specialty. long. many have not worked in their specialty since the days of the USSR


              I about it :)
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 18 November 2013 16: 24
          +1
          Quote: uno
          I'm not your brother. and I do not drink. generally

          Well done, Uno. I also don’t drink. But the rest
          Quote: uno
          that the planned economy has its "charms".

          you are wrong. The fact is that in the USSR for the last decades in Gosplan the planning function was actually replaced by the distribution function.
          Deficit: note that in a closed country you could buy everything at a flea market. Conclusion, the country began to plunge into theft and corruption from the beginning of the 70s. Effective measures were taken only by Andropov. Shops began to fill up, I remember jeans appeared imported at 80 rubles, although the flea market was walking.
      2. Turkestan
        Turkestan 18 November 2013 18: 39
        +4
        THERE ARE WE LIVING:
        1 kopeck - a box of matches.
        2 pennies - call the girl.
        3 pennies - a glass of water with syrup.
        4 kopecks - call the girl and get in the wrong place once.
        5 kopecks - a glass of seeds.
        22 kopecks - chocolate ice cream "Leningradskoe",
        56 kopecks - one dollar.
        1 ruble 12 kopecks - two dollars.
        2.87, 3.62, 4.12 - three bottles of vodka.
        8.80 - at night by taxi to the station and back. On the way to buy flowers for a girl, give a taxi driver for tea and lose three rubles.
        44 rubles - scholarship. Just crazy money.
        160 rubles is the goal of life. You can "dirty."
        5 thousand - "Lada".
        10 thousand - "Volga".
        15 thousand - ten years with confiscation.
        1 million - there is no such figure.

        WELL IS BAD
        1. kaktus
          kaktus 18 November 2013 20: 10
          0
          Good memory! good drinks
    8. Patton5
      Patton5 18 November 2013 09: 27
      +8
      Let me and I’m minus .... A person with a sore brain, that you haven’t seen sausages from the age of fifteen is the beginning of the beginnings of the liberal era in our long-suffering countries (not the country but the COUNTRIES) The market should you say .... he nor what should you, you for him (the market) no one calls you anyway (as we now accepted, I do not like it went out)
      another thing is how all this is implemented in practice. since we realized communism and socialism, it’s better not to.
      for me, as for a "simple" person, everything is known in comparison ... now I live in my own apartment which I received from the state THE USSR,yes it’s 10 years in turn, and before that, it’s huddled not on park benches ... one of thousands of examples, try to build a better country bourgeois ....... am
      1. a
        a 18 November 2013 13: 09
        +1
        yes minus the health. as if it would somehow change the negative aspects of a planned economy :)
        I didn’t say anything about the market. I don’t need to ascribe to what I did not say.
        Well, what I do not like and went out, this is to do with it. if you are not competent, then go out .. and if this is exclusively a personal hostility, then it was in the USSR.

        I don’t care how you got your apartment. I didn’t ask either the USSR or Russia for apartments. earned himself and bought. Well, if you are not able to earn money .. then yes .. for you, hope is only for the state. I do not want to insult you, only this shows your level. if you are not a military man, sorry, work so that you can earn money for an apartment. if it’s a military one, as far as I understand you, the state must do something. Unfortunately, I can’t imagine how the provision of military housing is now regulated. but I think that the state should pay the military so much money that they can afford to buy an apartment.
        1. yur
          yur 19 November 2013 00: 09
          +1
          You can earn an apartment at the present time either by stealing or profiting from the exploitation of other people, which in my inexperienced view is no less shameful than stealing
    9. I am
      I am 18 November 2013 10: 00
      10
      It was with a bald mish that the cards went, just when liberalism began, collapse and theft, and until 1986 none of this happened. Don't lie about the sausage !!! In Saratov, for example, until 1986, everything was fine and not only with sausage, and by the way it (sausage) was made of meat, and not plastic (if you only like it and eat it), but I am Soviet, made according to GOST, please ... Universities in the USSR trained ENGINEERS, LAWYERS, ECONOMISTS in the quantities required for industry. And now they are training managers, economists and lawyers who DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING and DO NOT KNOW !!! Some grandmothers (in the sense of the type of money) on their minds and they have no time to learn (like that) instead of classes, of course. Engineers are also trained, of course, but as students say "not a prestigious specialty." Only now who will produce the products ???? Or will we all buy in China ??? Keep quiet about sports, we still ride on the remains of the Soviet sports school. And remember the Olympics-80, maybe you will blush. And most importantly, in a planned economy, no one has ever made a product that dies immediately after the end of the warranty period. Things served for 10-30 years. And now even the most expensive ones are dying and cannot be repaired, neither schemes nor spare parts. So idika, you are in london dear !!!!
      1. a
        a 18 November 2013 13: 42
        -2
        I did not live in Saratov. I don’t lie about sausage. all too well in my memory was put off.
        eat the sausage you want. I won’t make you eat plastic.
        so what engineers trained by universities of the USSR did not lead the country to advanced technology? there were only one advanced technology, military. figuratively of course. but the point is clear.
        about the current managers I do not know what they can do. in terms of production. but I think if they are released it means someone needs it. engineers, yes .. few began to produce. but is this the problem of liberalism? personnel should be regulated by the economy. if some specialists are not enough, then the price rises. accordingly, the number of students studying should be increased. now we have quite a decent number of students in engineering specialties. my son and I are studying with her.
        why should I keep silent about sports? and I won’t blush. Yes, we took 80 gold in the Moscow Region. with the absence of such countries as the USA, Germany. and the Americans took even more in Los Angeles .. and so what? Why is it blushing?
        about products in a planned economy. for a long time mom saved money on a color TV. saved up, it seems they were then more than 700 rubles. broke in a month and a half. the masters arrived. taken away .. repaired two weeks .. brought .. another month worked. broke again. arrived again, they took it. and so a couple more times until mom was tired of it. through a series of scandals, they returned the money. a few years later, when I myself made money and bought a color TV (I bought it in Kiev, because we had a queue for color TVs for a month in advance) .. he worked for 6 months .. he bent down .. well, I didn’t to call. he repaired it because he had learned to be a radio engineer.
        and now I have Ariston’s washing machine, probably 15 years old. Atlant refrigerator. peer to a washing machine .. a Sharp microwave serves 10 years. Panasonic vacuum cleaner. 12 years old. Toshiba TV, 8 years old ... everything has become outdated in a technical sense for a long time .. but everything works fine .. and if it works, why change it? :) here's just an example of how the equipment produced in the USSR worked and now .. this is of course a special case ... but still ..
        and yes .. do not indicate where I live. I’ll figure it out without you .. and don’t choke with anger that in this country there are people who think differently from you :)
        1. Proud.
          Proud. 18 November 2013 14: 40
          +2
          Quote: uno
          about products in a planned economy. for a long time mom saved money on a color TV. saved up, it seems they were then more than 700 rubles. broke in a month and a half. the masters arrived. taken away .. repaired two weeks .. brought .. another month worked. broke again. arrived again, they took it. and so a couple more times until mom was tired of it. through a series of scandals, they returned the money. a few years later, when I myself made money and bought a color TV (I bought it in Kiev, because we had a queue for color TVs for a month in advance) .. he worked for 6 months .. he bent ..

          In this case, on the basis of the particular, you draw a conclusion about the general. Not correct. In anticipation of the "Olympics-80" our family bought a TV "Foton-716". He worked (with us) for 12 years. Was replaced by another. The reason was that there was no remote control, and no one wanted to work with a two-legged remote control, the TV was outdated, they bought another one. Maybe you were simply pathologically unlucky, with technology, at that moment in time?
          Quote: uno
          ..and do not choke with anger
          You repeat yourself. Any comment and opinion that does not coincide with yours, you call "spiteful".
          Quote: uno
          in this country there are people who think differently from you :)
          Our country, not yours? For me it is Mine, Ours. You write - "in this".
          1. yur
            yur 19 November 2013 00: 25
            +1
            Last year I replaced the Smolensk refrigerator, which worked for 32 years and not because it broke down, but simply needed a larger unit. The same story with the TV: the 1975 "Rainbow", bought by my father, "plowed" for 27 years. The poor man was simply outdated and was honorably sent to retire.
        2. I am
          I am 19 November 2013 19: 45
          0
          So live in "this country." And I live in OWN !!! IN OUR E !!!! And not otherwise! About everything else here in different topics has already been grinded 100 times. And below is also a good idea.
    10. Anper
      Anper 18 November 2013 11: 28
      +5
      Yes, they got this sausage! It seems that the main organ of such people is the stomach. How did they, poor things, survive in such conditions, than they were fed? After all, not potato peelings and paste! Now there is so much sausage, and hidden hunger is present
      (information for sausage lovers: hunger can be caused not by lack of food, but by lack of income and purchasing power). Everyone should know (from a government report): in Russia, a stable group of people has formed in the amount of 9-11 million people, which has a nutrition level below the physiological minimum. This means that starvation comes to a weakened person in the form of flu, pneumonia, and another harmless infection that a person with good nutrition can easily carry. Some will die, others will fall to their level, having given birth to children who are physically and mentally underdeveloped (due to lack of protein) by the time they reach adulthood. Was this possible in the USSR?
    11. zardoz
      zardoz 18 November 2013 11: 45
      +3
      In terms of the fact that excesses are present in the planned economy, I agree. But with the fact that 100% of university graduates do not work in their specialty, this is you bent.
      I worked in the office as a designer - everyone there was with Soviet diplomas. I wonder how in your view a designer without a special education could become a designer?
      My father, by profession, has worked and is still working.

      With the sausage, too, bent. About the lack of everything in the stores. probably 95% of the able-bodied population worked in the USSR. And they worked mainly on schedules. there 8-17, 7-16, 9-18 And now all these people are returning home from work. Where do they go in front of the house? To the store. The lines were decent. The service you can do was lame. We were in Minsk how cashiers work in a department store there - it’s just possible to shoot yourself. Our service is much faster. And now we have the same story with the queues. After work, people go to shops (supermarkets) and there are kilometer-long queues. And this is with rather high unemployment and people now do not all work in offices and enterprises. Those. work schedule is different. My grandfather said that when he came to us in Lugansk from the region (he was already retired). I was surprised that everything is on the shelves and there are no queues :) And my parents complained to him that there were no queues :) He went to the shops during the day.

      I agree that now there is more choice of goods and more offers. But the products are now stored longer they do not need to be delivered every day. Although bread in the supermarket (the supermarket bakes) at our place closer to night and at night it is already difficult to buy. He is already gone. And there is only rubber.

      And the horrors you described were, as others already suggest, before the demise of the USSR. And what was already after is generally hell. In general, I was small still - 8 years old, but then there were no problems with food. But by the 92nd he began ass. I remember they sent me to the store for some bread in the winter (I don’t remember which year it was then). The line from the store goes onto the street and on the street devils lope people. There is no bread - they are waiting for the arrival. Then, as they brought it, the line stood up and it turns out that the bread has risen in price twice. Yesterday it cost runoff - today it is twice as expensive.
      1. a
        a 18 November 2013 13: 57
        0
        Quote: zardoz
        In terms of the fact that excesses are present in the planned economy, I agree. But with the fact that 100% of university graduates do not work in their specialty, this is you bent.


        Well, I'm not the last graduate of Soviet universities. I just gave an example about our class.
        I have a wife by design engineer. so after high school she did not work long in her specialty. the fact that they designed there nafig nobody needed. there at the plant whole departments went essentially kicking the air, playing tennis. therefore, with a light heart, she did not return there after decree. as far as I know already in the 90s, design saddles at the plant were reduced by 80 percent. And this did not hurt the plant much. conclusion, what for so many released such designers who knew little and could?

        Quote: zardoz
        With the sausage, too, bent. About the lack of everything in the stores. probably 95% of the able-bodied population worked in the USSR. And they worked mainly on schedules. there 8-17, 7-16, 9-18 And now all these people are returning home from work. Where do they go in front of the house? To the store. The lines were decent. The service you can do was lame. Were in Minsk how cashiers work in a department store there


        I wrote what I saw in my city. I don’t know how they lived in Minsk or in Saratov. but I know that they lived well in Kiev. and the problem was not so much in lines as in the fact that there were few goods. the lines that arise after work he and now have not gone anywhere. and then there was simply no product to buy it. It was in those days that they began to say that there was nothing in Soviet stores, but everyone in the house had a full refrigerator. I don’t know how about everyone, but here we weren’t full of it .. I’m tired of an example about sausage, I can give candies as an example. except for caramels about which it was possible to break teeth and lemon coffee, nothing else could be bought. the same could be said about consumer goods. buy a TV, a problem, buy a tape recorder, a problem.
        Well, I can’t say that there was anything in the late 70s. how they survived the same :)) but it was very scarce .. maybe it depended on the local government. because in the neighboring regional center it was a little better, although not a fountain either. but this, too, is not a plus for a planned economy when the supply of this region depended on the leadership of the region. but before the death of the USSR, there was just no horror for me. I already began to earn .. I could buy in the market.
        1. zardoz
          zardoz 18 November 2013 14: 25
          0
          It's just that your statement that 100% of your classmates with higher education are not working in their specialty now has nothing to do with the planned economy. They changed their activities after the breakup, as far as I understand. But the statement about many in Soviet times did not work in their specialty - it is very vague and also does not show that you claim that specialists are unnecessary. How many is how many? As far as I understand, you finished your education in the mid-80s? This is already the beginning of the end of the USSR. Although the identity is not very hard to believe, at least when compared with our region. We can about your region in "Nasha Rush" not from scratch claim about its "severity". It will be necessary to clarify your version with friends from Mias :)
  10. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 18 November 2013 07: 24
    +6
    from the Don.
    As long as the liberals are at the helm, headed by DAM, we will stomp on the spot. And we stomp on the spot for about 5 years, raising dust. And it is already impossible to breathe from this dust. It would be nice to have a janitor!
  11. makarov
    makarov 18 November 2013 07: 53
    +1
    Unfortunately, "myths" have always been and will be in any state structure. For example:
    Thanks to a newspaper article, Saratov truck driver Andrei Kostylev became an all-Union celebrity after a laudatory article was published about him in a regional newspaper (from the memory of the Saratov worker). Comrade Kostylev ran into one hundred thousand kilometers without accidents, serious repairs and violations. He was probably a really good worker and did not deserve anything like it. But you won’t erase the words from the title of the article.
    The title looked like this: "100 thousand kilometers - do not fart!" And then - a clear large photo of the smiling hero. Although the word "not the limit" should have been fulfilled.
  12. Per se.
    Per se. 18 November 2013 07: 58
    11
    A social system that exists to receive super profits by transnational corporations, and erects money and profit as the main goal of human existence, is immoral. Capitalism has long outlived its usefulness, becoming a faulty "program", the only way out of the "freeze" of which is war, and a necessary condition for the existence of violence and robbery of colonies. The prosperity of the two main capitalist parasites, England and the USA, is a litmus of this hypocrisy and cynicism, in their well-fed existence with world helminths. The tragic death of their antipode and true defender of humanism, the Soviet Union, postponed the next crisis of capitalism and its world collapse. Capitalism is a virus, socialism, medicine and salvation for our overpopulated planet. Perhaps socialism will return "according to Marx" when, on the ruins of the hypertrophied European Union, its "locomotive", Germany, will create a new Reich, with a planned economy and a socialist orientation of public morality. Maybe Russia will wake up from a bad, nightmare dream, having revived what was lost, but, in any case, without the transition to the rails of socialism, our civilization has no worthy future.
  13. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 18 November 2013 08: 13
    16
    hi I want to return for some time to those already distant times of developed socialism from our wild anarchist liberocapitalism. In those days when in the USSR a person was a brother to a person and it didn’t make any difference what kind of nationality or religion you are ...We were ONE BLOOD. Alas ... were ....
    1. Patton5
      Patton5 18 November 2013 10: 18
      +5
      Where a man breathes so freely !!!!!!! But it’s really free))) I live in the south (Crimea) before if the fences are a netting net from the boys so that quinces and persimmons are not surrounded ..... now (apartments, villas, estates elite, elite, European-red) fences in two human growth, cameras, security. Do not go on a drive, including to the sea .... I have not been to South Africa, but the feeling that apartheid times have already come on our land am
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  14. olviko
    olviko 18 November 2013 08: 34
    12
    In Russia, these so-called liberals will play out (including radio presenters from Jewish radio), that they will simply start beating in the streets, it will be enough to call themselves a liberal to get in the face. Previously, many people said that it was impossible, but now that the Russian march is taking place on the streets and that 80% of Muscovites support it. Using the example of Russia, one can show how one and the same people look under socialism and under capitalism. This is just a clinically pure case, which confirms the maxim that ideology in the country is needed. Ideology is “preventive medicine” for society. As you know, an epidemic is easier to prevent than to deal with it later. Now Russia is fighting an epidemic that has arisen in the absence of ideology. In nature, this happens often. As soon as the field ceases to be cultivated, it is necessarily overgrown with weed. How did it happen that the Soviet people suddenly became a people, including pedophiles, drug addicts, and God still knows what vices? Here, as it turns out, everything is very simple. Imagine how easily, grafted ten times, an elite dog picks up the plague from any mutt. Often it all ends up with your wonderful dog leaving you forever, and the very same mongrel from the same plague that she safely gifted your pet with, at least that. In human life, everything happens the same way. What is now outraging us does not outrage anyone in the United States or elsewhere. American society has grown together with such sores and spreads them all over the world. It doesn’t matter what is happening around, the main thing is for this to happen to someone else. Remember how zebras in Africa cross the rivulet where the crocodile lurks. Everyone intends to safely reach the other side, but someone does not succeed. The rest are happy that the crocodile grabbed someone, but not them. Today we managed to avoid death, and tomorrow? In a socialist state, they tried to remove the crocodile from the river. Agree, a herd of zebras can easily cross, but then the danger disappears, which makes you be careful. This is what ruined the Soviet people, simply speaking, they bought jeans and sausages. It is time to return to the roots, build a state that reflects the genuine interests of the Russian People.
    “The highest and most characteristic feature of our people is
    sense of justice and her thirst ”
    F.M. Dostoevsky
    “An Englishman looks at the world around him as his own enterprise,
    Frenchman - as a saloon, German - as a barracks. Russian is looking at
    the world around us as a divine temple "
    Walter von Schubart, German philosopher, 1938
  15. George
    George 18 November 2013 08: 36
    11
    Hello all.
    Evil smiled at you in the fakes of cinema
    When you forgot your great past.
    It was boring and unoccupied,
    So the holy and wise mothers do not sleep.
    Evil reaps the fruits that once sowed
    You are surrounded from the east, south, west, north.
    From the sea, from land, from the earth, from space.
    And inside a stranger sits and controls your thoughts.
    Well, toss your friend sworn
    On its hump to the gates of star-striped paradise,
    Proud to be trusted
    Suck a lollipop on the wreckage of a centuries-old empire?
    You were born on the land of courage and courage
    You are left alone, only the kites are spinning
    And miserable dwarfs
    That yesterday smiling smugly
    Behind someone else’s back they’ll spit in your face.
    Do you remember giving gentlemen napkins
    The righteous sword that the great ancestors bequeathed?
    But something is sold, something is stolen,
    And something in the closet is gathering dust next to the great-grandfather's medals.
    In the age of freedom, thinking too much is dangerous.
    There is a computer and a chair.
    Life is so beautiful.
    Light p. and hard video
    Life is Beautiful and amazing.
  16. George
    George 18 November 2013 08: 40
    11
    And here's another one (with the hope of implementation):
    Someone lived under him without feeling the country ...
    Someone built factories and airfields
    So that over the axis of the earth were ascended
    Lyapidevsky, Chkalov and Gromov.

    Someone during the war years was eager for Tashkent bread ...
    Someone caught bullets near Moscow and Berlin
    Not for fame and placers
    To give the world to the unborn son.

    Someone near the Kremlin flickered at night
    And he changed orders for other people's boots ...
    Someone accompanied Gagarin in the morning,
    Denying the dream of the gravity of the planet.

    It has always been like this: somewhere close to people
    Ferrets took root and ate waste.
    People fought the enemy and lay bones
    For the sake of children's lives, for the sake of faith in freedom.

    But trouble happened. Ferrets bred
    Forgotten minutes of sparkling glory.
    Tearing ferrets to pieces
    The body of a once formidable power.

    But the people will wake up, but the pieces will grow together,
    Hunting trumpets will play.
    And from the arrogant ferrets struck in the temples
    People will make warm coats.
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    2. Anper
      Anper 18 November 2013 11: 58
      +2

      Thanks for the poem.
  17. Kushadasov
    Kushadasov 18 November 2013 08: 51
    12
    Respect for the author Alexander Evdokimov. Each sentence in the article is a hit in the top ten. In my opinion, a liberal (in the understanding that exists for us) is an enemy of the country, an enemy of the people.
    1. I am
      I am 18 November 2013 10: 05
      +4
      And liberals need to start talking accordingly, because they are like rats ....
  18. major071
    major071 18 November 2013 08: 59
    16
    uno Today, 07: 20
    dear author, probably forgot how ordinary people lived in a planned economy — queues, fights in queues, cards, coupons. I haven’t seen sausages in our big city for free somewhere in 15 of my age.

    I was born in the era of "developed socialism", as it is now called, i.e. in the early 70s under Brezhnev. The shops had everything that our state could produce at that time, even if there weren't any sneakers and mars, but we don't need them in figs, together with chewing gum. At that time, only in our city was a huge plant for the production of trailers for machinery built. New houses, schools were built, people received apartments from the state. The collapse began in the 80s after the perestroika course was declared marked, and then everything disappeared in the stores and the economy stopped, because to destroy it - it was destroyed, and in exchange they could not offer anything good.
  19. calocha
    calocha 18 November 2013 09: 19
    +6
    I’m not a seer, but we’ll stomp — we’ll stomp and .. again we will go by the path of Communism (nothing new has been invented) For some more years we will observe how China will turn into a giant, and we will recover ....)
    1. plut-k
      plut-k 18 November 2013 17: 07
      0
      still live
  20. Stinger
    Stinger 18 November 2013 09: 21
    +4
    The Russian liberal at all times fed on the scum of someone else's mind, believing that, having studied the details, global conclusions can be drawn. But, as Klyuchevsky rightly remarked, a detailed study of individual organs wears out the understanding of the life of the whole organism. Therefore, when reading liberal wise thoughts, it must be borne in mind that, firstly, they only subtly write about what they do not understand and, secondly, that their thoughts about the subject does not mean knowledge of the subject. It just seems to them that they just have to call everyone fools to pass for being smart.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 18 November 2013 09: 45
      +5
      Quote: Stinger
      It just seems to them that they just have to call everyone fools to pass for being smart.

      good
      This is the essence of these individuals. soldier
  21. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 18 November 2013 09: 43
    +2
    Liberasty went out of fashion, but the liberals, for some reason, firmly settled in power, which speaks of a deliberate sabotage of someone against Russia.
  22. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 18 November 2013 09: 47
    +2
    [b] Oh, these liberals of Russia, it seems to me the following lines perfectly reflect the essence of these creatures: [/ b]You enlightened your mind,
    You saw the truth
    And dearly loved the nations,
    And he hated his wisdom.


    A.S. Pushkin
  23. bersar2
    bersar2 18 November 2013 10: 04
    +6
    Our Russian liberal is, above all, a footman and he only looks at how to clean one's boots
    Fedor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky

    absolutely true words
  24. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 18 November 2013 10: 17
    +1
    And yet, they don’t go into the same water twice, even if it’s capitalistic, even though communist. So we entered capitalism a second time, and what happened? We need to think about the third way, it is a pity that candidates for thinkers are not visible.
  25. Bosk
    Bosk 18 November 2013 10: 17
    +1
    Myth 1-
    Quote: ivshubarin
    Liberalism leads the whole world to disaster and extinction

    I agree, because the liberals question the "commandments" including the main "Thou shalt not kill", and they are known to be thought for the sake of life and not vice versa.
  26. tank64rus
    tank64rus 18 November 2013 10: 22
    +1
    If the liberals did not enjoy the support of the West explicitly and not explicitly, then in Russia the people would have long pointed them to the door ... of the prison cell. But in the West they are well aware that if patriots come to power in Russia, a new Empire will revive on the world stage. Well, who needs an old, new competitor. Therefore, supporting the liberals and the sluggish crisis of power in Russia is now their main task.
  27. m_o_r_o
    m_o_r_o 18 November 2013 10: 25
    0
    Quote: ivshubarin
    Bo Anderson, having come to GAZ, reduced the ITR staff by 50% (car production did not fall), the Germans are doing the same in KAMAZ, and AvtoVAZ is in line. How many parasites fed

    did you understand what you wrote?
  28. morpogr
    morpogr 18 November 2013 10: 30
    +2
    The liberal is a synonym for the word slime of the west. The task of these nonhumans is the worse the country, the more comfortable it is for them to say that reform is underway.
  29. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 18 November 2013 11: 13
    +1
    Remembering the end of the Brezhnev period, at this time I think people had the feeling that it would not be better. In fact, there was stagnation. At this time, the opinion that what can be done better for oneself, in isolation from people, has gained popularity. It is strange that there was no opinion that what can be done is only worse. The merit of the liberals is this, so that this opinion does not appear or is distorted.
  30. nekromonger
    nekromonger 18 November 2013 11: 48
    +3
    I disagree that the author calls the team of Chubais, Gaidar, etc. liberals, of which they are not. they are simply thieves and destroyers. socialism is personally closer to me personally than Swedish, where, like us, everyone was equally poor, and all had about the same, but high standard of living.
    1. Patton5
      Patton5 18 November 2013 12: 48
      +1
      This is the diagnosis of a liberal. Compare everything with the West (including Sweden) without regard to history, ideology, culture, mentality !!! Why not compare it with central Africa? You choose a convenient example for comparison and pouring tears in front of us, everything is bad with us, everything is not like in Sweden! Facts are where, numbers?!?!?! And let's compare Russia with Russia in different years, from and to. .. Then it will be objective, and so minus
  31. Snoop
    Snoop 18 November 2013 12: 33
    +4
    I remember an interview with Gaidar, he just proved there that the market economy will be regulated itself))) And after all the main economist of all Russia carries such nonsense in the news throughout the country))) Even the example of the USA in the 20-30s. proves what unlimited capitalism leads to, overproduction with all the ensuing consequences. Roosevelt introduced the state into a market economy, their economy has become partially planned, and that’s led the country out of the crisis. For which, before his second election, he was sharply criticized by the media, they say red, a student of Stalin, etc. (it is clear to whom the media belong in the USA))) But society supported him.
    And we all sat in front of the TV and clapped our ears.
  32. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 18 November 2013 13: 49
    +1
    Capitalism as a system has completely exhausted itself and only Gorbachev’s betrayal temporarily delayed its collapse. And now the secret rulers are feverishly looking for ways and opportunities to parasitize further, and the liberals are the most vile and vile generation of capitalism their main support and assistants in all meannesses and provocations. But so that these liberals and their masters do not do capitalism, the main thing now is to deprive them of the possibility of perishing to destroy the whole world! And the future will determine what the new system will be called: socialism, communism or the People’s Society of Justice! After all, theorists of the capitalist system themselves, not wanting to , proved the futility of capitalism!
  33. Andof odessa
    Andof odessa 18 November 2013 14: 26
    +2
    The author is a little wrong. he compares not liberalism and socialism, but liberalism and a planned economy. This is the same as comparing round and soft. in principle, liberals also make the same mistake, but if the author is compelled, then liberals specifically compare the incomparable. because when comparing socialism as an organization of society with liberalism. then socialism wins. and if you compare the economy, then again the planned one has more advantages at the state level over capitalism. although at the lower consumer and service levels, capitalism has its advantages. And the author’s dispute with liberals who do not understand this throwing of beads in front of pigs.
  34. air wolf
    air wolf 18 November 2013 15: 26
    0
    Personally, I am socialism, because then at least they thought about people, and now no one needs a damn thing, fucking up, stitch, don’t work, and the authorities don't give a shit.
    1. zardoz
      zardoz 18 November 2013 15: 51
      0
      Well, let's say that power in most cases is a reflection of the people. Those. this society doesn’t give a damn about it, but the officials are all the more so. If society begins to put pressure on its representatives about this, then they will move. And so all do not care, then the authorities do not care.
  35. Homeless
    Homeless 18 November 2013 15: 26
    +1
    In 1990, Margaret Thatcher, speaking to the US Congressmen, stated that Great Britain and the United States, on the whole, defeated the Soviet Union, and there was very little time left for complete triumph. Much was said during her speech, but at the end of her speech, the Prime Minister Minister of Great Britain expressed her personal opinion about the planned form of the economy, i.e. the socialist form of the economy, Margaret Thatcher's opinion was that the planned economy is more tenacious than the spontaneous capitalist market.
  36. Bakht
    Bakht 18 November 2013 16: 02
    +3
    Quote: mak210
    I just read it. Marx generally does not have the concept of a transition period to communism in the form of socialism, Lenin came up with it when he realized, having tried to switch to a distribution-forced system in the 18th year, that without money, as the equivalent of labor, the economy does not spin.

    And at the universities, not only Marx is studied, but also the rest of the philosophers, starting with Pythagoras, are studied. So what?

    Philosophers are one thing. But Marx, as an economist, has not been canceled and continues to be studied.

    So, Marx never said that money should be canceled. Lenin is not Marx. And the first years of SovVlast there was no money at all. But for a completely different reason. Due to the collapse of the State. Anarchists were going to live without money, but no one considers them economists. By the way, in fact, the collapse of money was also in our memory. When rebuilding. Remember how they froze bank accounts. And without money, the economy may well be spinning. and sometimes even better than with money. You just need to remember that money is not the equivalent of a product. Money is the equivalent of labor.

    So the criticism of Marx must be justified. Marx assumed the existence of crises of overproduction. And rightly so, because the perpetual motion machine in nature does not exist. But he did not imagine a financial pyramid on such a scale. What we have now is a classic crisis of overproduction. And the abolition of money spend .... capitalists. But what else can be called the withdrawal of accounts in Cyprus? This is the first touchstone. How can we get out of the crisis? Cancel the money, and then introduce new ones and build a new pyramid. So the classic is not dead. The financial and credit system has peaked. It is necessary to crush and build a new one.

    I already wrote about the officials. Capitalism gravitates with bloating. Like formal socialism. What is more important, to have a profit or to have a busy population? For capitalism, profit is more important. For socialism, profit is not more important than employment. Therefore, in the late USSR there was a shortage of thousands of machine workers, and in current capitalism we have up to 30% of the unemployed.

    It is simply impossible to compare the capitalist and socialist methods. They have different priorities and therefore different effectiveness. Socialism was socially super effective. Capitalism in terms of making a profit. Therefore, the ideas of socialism will never die. They are much older than most people think. The first socialist was Moses, then Jesus. The Bible says that a person should "get his bread by the sweat of his brow." Nowhere is it written that he should make a profit. Early Christians and Muslims were socialists. Wealth is not a vice - but the rich are not allowed into paradise in any religion. Except for one offshoot of the Christian.

    So the ideas of socialism are eternal. And they will never die.
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  38. sxn278619
    sxn278619 18 November 2013 16: 18
    +1
    1989 - labor productivity in the USSR is 4 times less than in the USA.
    2012 - labor productivity in Russia is 4 times less than in the USA.
    The average salary in Russia is 900 dollars, in the USA - 4200 dollars. (from Yandex).
  39. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 18 November 2013 16: 23
    +1
    Liberalism is a very good philosophy - it’s a pity we haven’t yet ripened before it - neither morally, nor reason.
  40. Bakht
    Bakht 18 November 2013 16: 25
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    The number of officials in the United States was greater than under socialism in the USSR.


    Why so? After all, the market (according to Gaidar) regulates itself, but under Brezhnev they did not allow anyone to breathe, each had supervision. The paradox, however.

    And here are quite convincing data from our http://www.kaig.ru/rf/clerks.pdf It is easy to see that with the so-called. To the scoop, their numbers have been falling in total costs, and now they are growing by leaps and bounds. Do not cope with the "self-regulating" market, however.

    Well, like ms, we agreed that there are more officials under capitalism than under socialism. All right.
  41. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 18 November 2013 16: 32
    +4
    What can be argued about: the Kazan tragedy is the most striking indicator of the "merits" of the liberal capitalist system, if such disasters happened very rarely in the USSR, now it is like reports from the front. The basis of the current system is profit, profit and profit at any cost! The scheme is simple and immoral: to buy used aircraft at the price of scrap metal and squeeze everything out of it, even at the cost of human lives. The crashed board changed about 23 airlines in 8 years of operation, and this is what a terrible result and the worst thing no one will name the real reason, but they will blame everything on the deceased the crew, even the Africans got rid of him! Here they are capitalist "achievements" are evident! It is a pity to the tears of the young people who have died, and it is even more bitter to realize that the perpetrators will again evade responsibility. Eternal memory to passengers who became victims of the war of capitalism against Russia! Shame on the Liberal traitors who were destroying our aviation industry!
  42. andrei332809
    andrei332809 18 November 2013 18: 48
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    As a result, genuine creativity is increasingly being replaced by show business,

    yes.modern creativity-egg-laying wassat
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  44. alone
    alone 18 November 2013 19: 48
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    liberals, communists, socialists!
    The letter of the law doesn’t work. Not only in Russia, but in the entire former Union. Hence, there are problems everywhere, that is in management, that is in economics. And while the laws are spit, it will be so!
  45. Passer
    Passer 18 November 2013 21: 30
    +1
    Before perestroika, we are the second superpower, with a powerful defense complex and the space industry, advanced science.


    I do not agree, we were the First Superpower.
  46. Alf
    Alf 18 November 2013 21: 35
    +4
    Once Obama woke up, looked out the window, and the country was in the city! And then he saw the capital of Marx. I read it and realized that Marx had described everything that was happening with p. Indosia. What to do, what to do? He ordered scientists to clone Marx. Cloned.
    Obama: Mr. Marx, I read everything you wrote and that’s all I see. What should we do to get out?
    Marx: The whole Senate and Congress must read my book.
    Obama: They'll read it tomorrow! What should we do ?
    Marx: It is necessary that the entire entire population of your country read my book.
    Obama: They'll read it tomorrow! What should we do ?
    Marx: It is necessary that the entire golden billion read my book.
    Obama: They'll read it tomorrow! What should we do SPECIFICALLY?
    Marx: Specifically? Specifically, this is not for me, come in, Joseph Vissarionovich!
  47. NURLAT
    NURLAT 19 November 2013 00: 29
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    Yeah, communism is the best, and the rest is fu!
  48. jamalena
    jamalena 19 November 2013 16: 24
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    Quote: kartalovkolya
    Shame on the traitors who destroyed our aircraft industry!

    - hang these murderers on the airport fence!
  49. Alf
    Alf 19 November 2013 18: 22
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    Quote: jamalena
    - hang these murderers on the airport fence!

    Either the fence will not stand, or the fence will not be enough.
  50. Alf
    Alf 20 November 2013 00: 01
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    Quote: Per se.
    when on the ruins of the hypertrophied European Union its "locomotive", Germany, will create a new Reich, with a planned economy and socialist orientation of public morality.

    God forbid that this locomotive, as before, the entire train to the East did not pull.