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Russians really think America will attack them ("Onet.pl", Poland)

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Russians really think America will attack them ("Onet.pl", Poland)

Onet.pl: 20-26 September, the Russian-Belarusian strategic military exercises Zapad-2013 were held, during which the defense scenario of the union state of Russia and Belarus, as well as cooperation in the field of regional security was worked out. Do these two countries "play with muscles" or, in fact, peacefully test their defenses?


Andrzej Wilk (Andrzej Wilk): I would not consider military exercises through the lens of opposition: a political demonstration is a training event. Maneuvers always serve to test the level of training. Another thing is the assessment of the result of the exercises and subsequent conclusions. “Playing with muscles” is a minor matter, which relates, rather, to the sphere of foreign rather than defense policy of the state. Military exercises, regardless of their scale, can be made as public as possible, or you can try to silence them. In the era of satellite intelligence, everyone who needs to learn about the teachings will still learn about them, and they can make this information public (although fearing retaliatory steps usually do not). This is also true of Russia: only a fraction of the several hundred maneuvers conducted in recent years looked like a “muscle game”, but all of them were useful for assessing the state of the armed forces.

Of course, some aspects of the teachings are arranged in advance and conceived for demonstration “to the public”: this is always the case when representatives of authority appear on the test site. In this case, presidents Putin and Lukashenko and, of course, the media. In other words, the most interesting things certainly did not occur at the Gozhsky proving ground in the Grodno region.

I personally would be interested to know the composition of the landing forces (according to the scenario, of terrorists), the landing of which was reflected by the latest Russian rocket corvettes. By the way, a couple of years ago, the Russians, together with the Chinese, practiced the flooding of a nuclear submarine.

- In an interview with Gazeta Wyborcza, Minister of Defense Tomasz Semoniak (Tomasz Siemoniak) expressed "concern and surprise" with the fact that "Russia continues to believe that Europe and the West are threatening it." Where does the Kremlin see the source of the most serious danger?

- If you take with seriousness the military doctrine in force in Russia, then in it the main threat is NATO and all that is connected recently with the actions of the Alliance: activity outside its territory; interpretation as actual, and not only formal members of NATO, the countries of the former Warsaw Pact; and also “management” in the Russian sphere of influence.

In the political aspect, the situation begins to look somewhat different: NATO becomes just a signboard under which the US and their (from the Russian point of view) satellites are trying to shape reality, while harming any kind of interests of Russia. For many years Moscow has not taken the Alliance as a single whole, hostile to the military alliance of the Cold War, although, of course, it would like to see it formally eliminated. From the Russian point of view, this is a bizarre entity consisting of almost allied Russian countries (Greece), friendly and neutral (France, Germany, Italy) and (realistically or potentially) hostile (the United States and dependent countries led by the largest "state" - UK).

On the other side of Eurasia, the same thing happens, where the “hand” of Washington is Japan. Meanwhile, according to the Russian exercises of recent years and the changes taking place in the Russian army, it is clear that the main potential battlefield for the armed forces of the Russian Federation remains the territory of the CIS, and a potential opponent is the army of the state that will resist Russian domination, like Georgia in 2008. However, I would not underestimate the effects of the Soviet brainwashing, which is still ongoing.

A significant number of Russians, and the military, perhaps, without exception, believe that the threat comes from America. The US attack on Russia is seen as a logical consequence of the current policy of Washington. On the other hand, Moscow seems to be completely unaware of threats where they see their western countries: in Central Asia, in China.

I don’t know how it’s with China, and about Central Asia I wouldn’t be surprised at the logic of the Russians: everyone who has spent at least a little time there knows that these states are primarily a danger to themselves. And if in the foreseeable future they become a hotbed of some kind of threats to their surroundings, then they will not be of a military nature.

- In October 2008, the Kremlin began a radical reform of the armed forces, which caused a lot of controversy in the military. What are the main directions of change, and what is the most dissatisfied with the military?

“For many years now, I have been fighting the myths imposed by the Russians themselves through so-called independent military experts, who without any consequences for themselves regularly drop all dogs into the army and promote the idea of ​​its complete decomposition outside the country. Discussions about the form of the Russian army never took place in the civilian leadership (there are no civilians in Russia who would understand the armed forces and would have any plans on this subject, unless they are former military men), they were originally an internal army affair. More precisely, these are disputes between the current leading cadres, whose military career began during the collapse of the Soviet Union, often in Afghanistan, and the group of military retirees who are apologists for the Soviet army, whose path began in Brezhnev’s golden years. Contrary to popular myths, the reform of the Russian army did not begin after the war with Georgia, but ten years earlier. It was launched by the 1998 financial crisis of the year, a string of humiliations from the war with Chechnya in 1994 - 1996, the expansion of NATO and the Alliance's blow to Moscow’s Yugoslav ally in 1999.

If you name specific names, the foundation of the reform was laid by General Anatoly Kvashnin. Two factors of a non-military nature became decisive for the realization of reform: President Vladimir Putin and the growth of Russia's oil revenues. The beginning of the process of actual modernization of the armed forces was laid in 2004 three events: the supply (first in small quantities) of new military equipment and weapons; the implementation of the program of transition to the contract system of service and the formation of an experimental joint command in the Far East.

From the very beginning, the reform was aimed at getting rid of the legacy of the Soviet army and the creation on its fragments of modern armed forces with high mobility and a level of professionalization close to those of leading Western countries. The war with Georgia in 2008 gave rise to a decisive blow, and the so-called reform of Serdyukov, who played the role of a buffer between the old and new cadres, was already a nail in the coffin of the Soviet army system. The strongest discontent (and not only among the military) was caused by the liquidation of the Soviet logistics support system, which was a state within the state. The communists, who organized protest actions on this occasion, took several times more people to the streets than the anti-Putin opposition. What worried the military the most? Of course, the money: up to 2012, they received big surcharges. A Russian contract soldier now receives about the same amount as a Polish contractor - about 800 dollars, and officers are much more (up to nine thousand dollars on nuclear submarines). The military in Russia still have a lot of social privileges, while living expenses outside Moscow are much lower than in Poland. Serving in Russia just became profitable.

- How can one assess the military potential of the Russian Federation? Are the Russian armed forces capable of conducting an operation comparable in scale to the 2008 Russian-Georgian war of the year?

- In recent years, the Russian army has returned to the world major league and is trying to take a firm and as high as possible place in it. In terms of the number and quality of equipment, it is undoubtedly inferior to the American. Although it is developing at a faster pace, there is no indication that it will be able to catch up with the US military. It remains and will remain smaller in number than the Chinese army, although from the point of view of technology, it still confidently surpasses it.

This is best demonstrated by China’s efforts to acquire Russian military technologies, which the Russian Federation prefers to share with India approaching the Big Four, which have become especially noticeable in recent months. The backlog of European armies is becoming ever more distinct. Already now the Russians are not behind them in technological terms, starting to overtake in training. Most importantly, they have clearly defined goals for which it is becoming increasingly difficult in Europe. In terms of training activity, the Russian armed forces returned to the Soviet level. At first, this phenomenon was selective and asymmetric, affecting individual parts fleetand then air force. The apogee occurred in the summer and early fall of 2008, when a total of 200 thousand people were involved in exercises at the operational-tactical and operational-strategic level. From that moment on, there were more and more tactical exercises, thanks to which every year new tactical associations, or at least new units, take part in high-ranking events. The sudden combat readiness tests begun in February of this year (for the first time since Soviet times) make it possible to recognize the achieved level of training activity as optimal.

The armed forces of the Russian Federation are not only capable of conducting an operation now similar in scale to the war with Georgia, they can realize it more quickly, with smaller forces and means, reducing the period of preparation. I am afraid that the Russian army, with all its noticeable and less noticeable flaws, is capable of participating in a much larger conflict. It should not, however, be forgotten that the strength of this army, especially in the CIS, is also interconnected with the weakness of its possible adversaries.

- According to the project of the authorities, by the 2015, the equipment of the army with military equipment of the new generation will reach 30%, and by 2020 - 70-100. Is Russia able to implement these plans from a financial point of view? Is the Kremlin going to carry out modernization, relying on its own technical thought, or on weapons purchased in the West?

- Almost all the previous decade changes in the Russian army took place against the backdrop of an extremely favorable financial environment. Military spending has steadily increased: from eight billion dollars in 2001 to 51 billion in 2011. These funds helped to prevent the degradation of military capabilities, and since the 2004 year - to launch a reform. Despite the upheavals associated with the global financial crisis, Moscow’s military spending continues to increase.

Reform of the armed forces remains an indisputable priority for the Russian authorities. It was not suspended in the crisis 2009, and it is unlikely that it will be suspended now despite a slowdown in the country's economic growth. This can be seen in the draft budget forwarded to the Duma in September, in which almost all the articles, with the exception of national defense, affected the cuts. This year, Russia has spent about 70 billions of dollars for military purposes, and in the future it is going to allocate 77 billions to this sector.

Surprisingly, one of the recent statements by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, in which he argues the need to limit social spending while simultaneously increasing the military — such a Russian “cannon instead of oil” — went unnoticed in our media. Perhaps these words did not resonate, because in recent years everyone in the West considered Medvedev to be a liberal. Financial problems (especially for the costly process of technical modernization) can only begin with a long and significant reduction in energy prices. Arms are interpreted not only as an instrument of great-power politics, but primarily as an engine of economic development and an element of social policy. The modernization of the armed forces as a symbol of Russian power is accompanied by the approval of society.

If I had to bet, I would say that Russia would rather go bankrupt than refuse from the current armaments program. If she decides to limit it, it is purely symbolic and, most likely, temporary. And it will be so regardless of who is in power: Putin or Navalny.

In the foreseeable future, the real limiter of technical modernization, which is now the main element of the reform, may be the structural and technological lag of some military enterprises, which are finding it harder to meet the high demands of the Russian army.

Overcoming this lag, which is particularly noticeable in shipbuilding, should be served by cooperation with the countries of Western Europe and India. The problem (especially for those willingly presenting their new products in the Moscow region testing grounds of the French, Germans or Italians) is that Russians need not finished cars (if yes, then in a minimum amount), but technologies. Another problem lies on a different plane: continental Europe has little to offer Moscow. Of course, the Americans and the British have the necessary developments, but, for obvious reasons, they do not want to share them with the Russians.

If I had to answer the question about the significance of cooperation with the West for the Russian program as a whole, I would say that it is minimal. Of the 650 billions of dollars allocated under the State Armaments Program for 2011 – 2020 years, only 1% will go to buy equipment abroad. Of course, it cannot be ruled out that Russia continues to search for technologies outside the framework of the official program and by less honest methods, which is sometimes hinted at by reports from Western special services. Nevertheless, the first place is occupied by its own (or relatively own) technological thought.

In many areas, Russia remains in the group of world leaders. It is worth remembering at least the assessment of Jane's experts, in whose opinion, only the USA, Great Britain and Russia can be attributed to the group of countries possessing technologies for creating the fifth generation fighter, and in the foreseeable future only South Korea can join them.

- What technology is lacking in Russia the most?

- If you look at the range of purchases - it lacks everything. It is fair to say that so far the Russian fleet has not yet ordered new aircraft carriers.
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  1. Onyx
    Onyx 12 November 2013 18: 45
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    Russians really think America will attack them

    Russians do not think so. We know that EuroPRO is against terrorists. And our strategists in Venezuela are also against terrorists. We cannot allow terrorists to attack the United States again.
    1. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 12 November 2013 19: 04
      85
      "In an interview with Gazeta Wyborcza, Defense Minister Tomasz Siemoniak expressed 'concern and surprise' at the fact that 'Russia continues to believe that it is being threatened by Europe and the West.'
      My mother is a woman, indeed, and how can we sin on the furry West and affectionate America?!? Indeed, the main threat to the Russian Federation comes from Mongolia and Papua New Guinea!
      I just bleed from pshek, they sniff glue there?!? Clowns! And lying!
      1. starshina78
        starshina78 12 November 2013 19: 23
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        To begin with, the Poles have long been considered prostitutes, moreover, corrupt. An interview was taken from a person about whom one gets the impression that he knows everything and can advise. Interesting ! Poland itself is interesting as a country that wants to show itself to be a great, powerful country with a long history, and which can teach us nonsense. And they probably forgot that, as such, the state of Poland was formed only in the 20th century, and before that it was always conquered under someone else’s protectorate. about the reform of the army and navy, something was correctly said, and something from the ceiling. Take a closer look at the ceiling, gentlemen of the Poles!
        1. German
          German 13 November 2013 01: 13
          16
          Respected! Do not insult the representatives of the most ancient profession with such a politically incorrect comparison! We found with whom to compare psheks! Yes, they are not worth the nails of a prostitute ... haha ​​(2 times) !! wassat
      2. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 12 November 2013 19: 24
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        Quote: Veteran's grandson
        Clowns! And lying!


        They have always been like that (not all, but mostly leadership) - just recall their behavior during the Great Northern War.
        1. Fobos-grunt
          Fobos-grunt 12 November 2013 21: 28
          20
          Blackgrifon
          And nothing changed in World War II
          The bravest of the brave too often have been led by the most infamous of the vile! Nevertheless, two Poland always existed: one of them fought for the truth, and the other presmykalas in meanness.
          W. Churchill

          Speaking of this, Churchill implied the feat of the heroes of the fortress on the island of Westerplatte in September 1939 and the shameful flight of the Polish government with General Wladyslaw Sikorski who headed this government
          1. SAG
            SAG 13 November 2013 08: 15
            +4
            Churchill, without knowing it, described Ukraine of our time.
      3. Alex Nick
        Alex Nick 12 November 2013 22: 19
        +1
        these two countries are the fiends of hell. I sleep and see every night how they occupy us.
      4. German
        German 13 November 2013 01: 10
        +3
        but in my opinion they (psheks) do not smell glue ... but something more killer-3-4 daytime socks of Americans, for example ....- the tanom from the article is a mile away!
      5. SAG
        SAG 13 November 2013 08: 10
        +1
        But lately I am inclined that most Russophobic clowns are by no means false ... they have already lied so much since perestroika that they sincerely believe in what they themselves did.
      6. rodevaan
        rodevaan 13 November 2013 18: 15
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        Quote: Grandson of Veteran
        "In an interview with Gazeta Wyborcza, Defense Minister Tomasz Siemoniak expressed 'concern and surprise' at the fact that 'Russia continues to believe that it is being threatened by Europe and the West.'
        My mother is a woman, indeed, and how can we sin on the furry West and affectionate America?!? Indeed, the main threat to the Russian Federation comes from Mongolia and Papua New Guinea!
        I just bleed from pshek, they sniff glue there?!? Clowns! And lying!


        - They can sniff anything there, because the disease is incurable and it won't get any worse ... The main thing is not to start smoking the dope called "The West will help us!" ... otherwise, a lot of people got rid of it in the 90s , starting with the drunk Bori and ending with the last schoolboy ...
    2. vlad0
      vlad0 12 November 2013 19: 17
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      Of course we don’t think so! And the ears of the US State Department in all the hot spots affecting our interests, too, do not notice! This is not the United States, this Antarctic penguins breed and sponsor al-Qaeda, destroy rulers loyal to us, try to limit access to resources (noble birds forgive me)
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 12 November 2013 19: 31
        +9
        - What military equipment does Russia lack the most?
        - which will not reach her territory laughing
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 13 November 2013 16: 22
        0
        "On the other hand, Moscow seems to be completely oblivious to threats where Western countries see them: in Central Asia, in China."
        Look, look, the plane! And with these words, a pickpocket cleans a gullible onlooker from cash. China, it is of course ... and we, of course ... But the West is threatening us every day and hour today. And no matter how they poke a finger into the distant future, it is unlikely to distract us from the present. The wrong person is driving our foreign policy ...
    3. Yura
      Yura 12 November 2013 19: 52
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      Quote: Onyx
      Russians do not think so.

      They know that!
    4. Ascetic
      Ascetic 12 November 2013 20: 45
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      Quote: Onyx
      We know that EuroPRO is against terrorists. And our strategists in Venezuela are also against terrorists.


      And in the PP of our ICBMs only the coordinates of the Taliban caves in the Tora Bora and the base of Somali pirates
      1. Onyx
        Onyx 12 November 2013 21: 28
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        Quote: Ascetic
        And in the PP of our ICBMs only the coordinates of the Taliban caves in the Tora Bora and the base of Somali pirates

        Also does not interfere with the deployment of missile defense in Cuba. Although Honduras now does not have rockets capable of reaching Venezuela, it can be invented sometime after all.
    5. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 12 November 2013 21: 13
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      Quote: Onyx
      We cannot allow terrorists to attack the United States again.

      good I think it is worthwhile to help the carriers of true democracy in protecting against Iranian, Korean and other missile attacks by deploying Russian missile defense systems in Latin American and Caribbean countries.
    6. Deniska999
      Deniska999 12 November 2013 21: 45
      +7
      Poland has always been a political prostitute.
      1. Onyx
        Onyx 12 November 2013 21: 53
        +3
        Quote: Deniska999
        Poland has always been a political prostitute.

        Bright representative of the oldest profession
        1. German
          German 13 November 2013 01: 16
          +3
          do not insult prostitutes! they at least benefit society!
    7. Siberian German
      Siberian German 13 November 2013 04: 30
      0
      in the light of new data, I propose to consider that there our strategists fought against drug defenses like europro with terrorists
    8. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 13 November 2013 07: 53
      +1
      in order to more reliably cover our "starry friends", it would be nice to bring missiles to Cuba wassat
    9. HAM
      HAM 13 November 2013 08: 18
      0
      However, we guess that terrorists = USA.
    10. Cynic
      Cynic 13 November 2013 17: 51
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      Quote: Onyx
      Russians do not think so.

      They KNOW it!
      And the latest atrocities of Psheks at our embassy is another confirmation!
  2. WIN969
    WIN969 12 November 2013 18: 47
    29
    But Poland and the Baltic states really think that Russia will attack them, and so what?
    1. Aryan
      Aryan 12 November 2013 19: 56
      12

      Russians themselves are blown up those who think badly about them angry
      1. Reasonable, 2,3
        Reasonable, 2,3 13 November 2013 07: 22
        0
        Army "= - kraivy-latvian-oh-forgive me-doesn’t remind me? A-add, what I want is an army of terrorist-national-idiots. If the Russians will go? -All-who will survive: Yes, no one! Not even a house- 2.
    2. KEKS44
      KEKS44 13 November 2013 13: 47
      0
      And more on the idea of ​​them and no one to attack. Germany is not that Germany anymore, Austria - I haven’t even heard of such a country, Ukraine would survive and not fall apart by ourselves. Only Russia remains. Although, why ... they surrendered to us ?!
  3. Xroft
    Xroft 12 November 2013 18: 48
    18
    Well, despite the fact that the article is Polish, it’s written correctly ... I don’t think we need an aircraft carrier (the eagles are being modernized instead). And large exercises are an axiom of a combat-ready army, their absence already shows that Europe is not capable of conducting military operations without the United States (recent jazz -2013 evidence of this) France, Germany, the United Kingdom, as usual, can still, and all the others just * play * in military activity.
    ps And so it will be regardless of who will be in power: Putin or Navalny (c) I doubt very much that we do not need Navalny, let them sit in prison.
  4. Altona
    Altona 12 November 2013 18: 49
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    We must modernize the army in time ... In my memory, the last large-scale modernization took place in 1975-79 under Brezhnev, it was written in the materials of the XXV Congress of the CPSU ...
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 12 November 2013 22: 49
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      We must modernize the army in time ... In my memory, the last large-scale modernization took place in 1975-79 under Brezhnev, it was written in the materials of the XXV Congress of the CPSU ...

      I’m also looking for someone who last year brought me such a hamster laughing
    2. alone
      alone 12 November 2013 23: 11
      +1
      good bears. and then the far right is cool))
    3. German
      German 13 November 2013 01: 18
      +1
      Harrroshy hamsters !!!! laughing
    4. Siberian German
      Siberian German 13 November 2013 04: 42
      0
      and in those years, modernization was carried out not only in the Army - in agriculture, the mass application of new equipment began at about the same time
    5. KEKS44
      KEKS44 13 November 2013 13: 23
      0
      Quote: Altona
      The army must be modernized in time ...

      It seems to be carried out. If something, we, the old warriors will be called. And what, I do not mind to let loose lyuley adversaries.
  5. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 12 November 2013 18: 51
    +8
    Russians really think America will attack them

    No, I personally do not think so, but theoretically it can. The only thing that can be associated is that only a weak army. Moreover, all Georgia begins to deal with masturbation.
  6. Larus
    Larus 12 November 2013 18: 54
    +3
    I will say one thing: let them read history, and then ask questions about "where are the threats" !!
  7. tomket
    tomket 12 November 2013 18: 55
    15
    And Poland sincerely believes that Russia wants to enslave the unfortunate Poles. Moreover, even such a libertos as Navalny will not save the poor Poles from slavery. The premise of the article, Russia for Poland is evil outside the time frame. By the way, in the end it was surprising that Britain was put down as a candidate for the creation of the 5 generation of the first generation of exterminator.
    1. Akim
      Akim 12 November 2013 20: 10
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      Quote: tomket
      By the way, in the end, it was surprising that Britain was recorded as a candidate for the creation of a 5th generation exterminator.

      In Europe, except France, no one could even create a 4th generation fighter on their own. And about Poland - you are right. You read their sources from them like paranoia.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 12 November 2013 21: 22
        +8
        Quote: Akim
        In Europe, except France, no one could even create a 4th generation fighter on their own.


        The defense industry of France and the potential of R&D in almost all types of weapons, including own SNF and space projects deserve respect. It's just that the informational component of the French military is so small in comparison with the total PR of the same USA and especially Israel that there is some underestimation of its real level. Even on the site, I personally can’t recall the sensible review of French weapons and their new projects. Unless there was little interest in connection with the events in Mali, and he quickly faded. Eurocopter, Astrium, MBDA Corporation, Safran Group, Dasso Aviation, Airbus Military, DCNS, Nekster and much more.
        The defense industry of France currently employs about 165 thousand highly qualified specialists. The annual turnover of the defense industry is about 16 billion euros, with a third of this turnover accounted for by exported military products. 14% are allocated to the NOCR. annual turnover (this is a very solid percentage). Every year, 700 million euros are allocated for R&D alone.
        In 2011, preliminary studies were initiated to assess the replacement of nuclear submarines with ballistic missiles (SSBNs) under the SNLE-3G program. Several hundred million euros are allocated to this program before 2016 – 2017, after which the development phase of the new SSBN can begin with its launch in 2030.

        As part of the Prometheus program, the DGA provides funds to research a new rocket to replace ASMP-A. In particular, tests of a hypersonic ramjet engine (scramjet), the first flight of the demonstrator which may take place in 2014.

        A number of studies are associated with the development of new airborne radar, which has new operating modes and increased noise immunity. Several tens of millions of euros have been allocated to this program, and the radar station itself must comply with the concept of a future French combat aircraft.

        Funding for defense R & D has received special attention in 2013. The cost of R & D this year will increase by ten percent compared with 2012-m and reached 750 million dollars.

        According to the magazine MIC.
        Of course there are also a lot of problems. But the result is visible. The same A-400M "Atlas" gave birth in agony for a long time, costly and tedious but recently accepted into the series and into service. And on An-70, only until February 1 did they agree to make a decision after the completion of flight technical tests ... by a pitchfork as usual.
        1. Akim
          Akim 12 November 2013 21: 36
          +7
          Quote: Ascetic
          French military-industrial complex and R&D potential in almost all types of weapons including its own strategic nuclear forces and space projects deserve respect

          I know French very poorly - but I know. There will be free time, I will try to translate their materials for the article.
        2. tomket
          tomket 12 November 2013 23: 01
          +1
          if you think about it, the same SAGEM can be remembered, but from the English except BAE Systems, which is highly integrated and the American military-industrial complex cannot be recalled ...
        3. aksakal
          aksakal 12 November 2013 23: 11
          +2
          Quote: Ascetic
          Dassault Aviation
          - The VAF separately praised the combat fighter in my opinion of this aircraft building company, and in my opinion, this fighter is called "Rafale". Given the stinginess of praising the VAF, then if the VAF praises, it means that there is something to praise for.
          But I think that the Russian military will squeeze out the French all the same. The Russians, after the offense inflicted by the French in India with just these fighters, are already confident of attacking the French positions on their ancient territory - in Latin America. Let me remind you that in the famous Falklands conflict, the heaviest losses to the British, well, the drowning of the same cruiser Sheffield, were inflicted by French weapons (ASM Exocet), so French weapons are highly respected there. But Russia is already there, even Shoigu himself has been spinning there, Putin personally will fly soon. ”Dilma Roussev was taken into a confident turn ... But what is there in Latin America - on the original territory of France - in Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco, in which the second state language is French, Russians are trying with might and main, but no, no longer trying and they sell their weapons, while the Russians defend every inch of their land in India.
          In general, with all my consent, dear Ascetic, the French have no chance to keep their military-industrial complex. More precisely, he is, but I see a chance in cooperation with the Russian military. The French have things that are difficult for Russians to develop. it is impossible to produce in a water state everything and the best quality of development. But it’s harder and harder for the French to push these developments separately. This is the same information ship system "Zenith", that information set for a soldier (the so-called "super-equipment"), it very well complemented the Russian equipment "Ratnik", the same crest with video images for the pilot, the same CCD matrices for thermal imagers and many many others. As you can see, all these developments will go very well not on their own, but as an addition to some kind of main weapon. And not to some, but to the Russian - in principle, they approach each other, like dad and mom. So the future of the French military is to be a branch of the Russian military.
          IMHO,
          By the way, the Jews have about the same as the French, even a set of weapons in which the Jews are "ahead of the rest of the world", the same + UAV can be added. But the Jews have their own plans. And I also don't think they will survive on their own. I think. will become a branch of the amersky military-industrial complex. And again IMHO.
        4. CHILD
          CHILD 13 November 2013 12: 01
          0
          The French have been grooming and cherishing their military-industrial complex for some ten years, not forgetting to trade in its products .... and I suspect the vast majority of their developments are their own without any "abroad will help us", and who has a full complex of the military-industrial complex in Europe ???? ... undoubtedly deserve the most serious respect ...
  8. Albert1988
    Albert1988 12 November 2013 18: 56
    10
    Yes, he is a “Pole”, he is a “Pole”, although the assessment is quite sober for a Western expert. It only touched me - "the Russians really think that America will attack them" - why are you, Mr. Wilk, wondering: America is probably not deploying missile defense in Europe? Doesn't it develop hypersonic weapons and doesn't accept the doctrine of a preemptive strike on our nuclear facilities? And of course America has not spent five major wars over the past 20 years and even more smaller military operations, so analyze all this, "Mr." Talc, and questions will disappear ...
  9. andrei332809
    andrei332809 12 November 2013 18: 59
    +6
    and who told the author that we are afraid? Europeans are afraid it is necessary, they’ll be the first to fly. and then with this nata swelled godlessly, is it time for them to think about reducing the MEMBERS?
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 13 November 2013 08: 10
      0
      Only childbearing and sickle for them! (In the sense of organ contraction)
  10. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 12 November 2013 19: 01
    +5
    Well, the analysis, "forty barrels of prisoners and a small cart", well, Wolf Messing in a new guise, you see, he knows what the Russians think! The article is just about nothing, but for what: it is very simple, another provocateur works off the fee. And how famously translates the arrows, especially NATO, well, straight to the kindergarten. And we did not forget who stood behind the moron Mishiko: the United States and NATO pushed him to the massacre in Tskhinvali. And then there was a stone in the direction of Beijing and Russia's Asian partners. Maybe someone and this wolf in sheep's clothing will deceive, but not us, we have not forgotten and will not forget how you received Chechen terrorists whose hands were up to the elbows in the blood of our citizens! The treachery and meanness of Polish politicians and journalists are known to us not from second hand! So you are trying in vain, good gentleman!
  11. major071
    major071 12 November 2013 19: 02
    25
    Russia never seeks enemies for itself, but for some reason everyone writes it into their enemies. It has always been that way. soldier
  12. Serebryakov. 75
    Serebryakov. 75 12 November 2013 19: 14
    16
    So, according to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, it was decided to spend an astronomical amount of $ 650 billion on the purchase of the latest technology and weapons. For these funds until 2020 it is planned:
    1. to manufacture and purchase 600 new military aircraft (emphasis will be placed on modern SU-34 and SU-35), 100 ships (including 35 corvettes and 15 frigates) and a thousand helicopters (mainly transportation helicopters Mi-26 and multi-purpose Mi- 8);
    2. put into operation 20 submarines, including eight nuclear ones equipped with a Bulava ballistic missile, and two Mistral helicopter carriers (except for those that Russia has already bought from France);
    3. Adopt a few hundred S-400 and S-500 missile systems.
    To carry out such a large-scale rearmament will require considerable funds. Therefore, starting next year, 1,5% of the country's GDP will be additionally allocated for the modernization of the army, defense and salaries for the military, now subsidies equal to 0,5% of GDP are used for these purposes. And the answer is simple - People who do not want to feed their Army will feed someone else's and we learned this history lesson very well! winked
  13. Arkan
    Arkan 12 November 2013 19: 24
    23
    A statement of the fact of the military revival of our Army. But there is a fly in the ointment, Simonyak would not have been a Pole if he hadn’t injected Russia: - And it will be so regardless of who will be in power: Putin or Navalny. I found someone to equal, a KGB cadre officer and a stink of pre-rez, a keyboard manager.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 12 November 2013 22: 55
      +5
      Quote: Arkan
      Putin or Navalny: I found someone to equate, a KGB staff officer and a stink of pre-recess, a keyboardist mannerist.

      Speaking of Nakhalny- MOSCOW, November 12. / ITAR-TASS /. The Moscow Basmanny Court on Tuesday granted the request of the investigation and seized the property of Oleg and Alexei Navalny.

      Factory shares, money and registered capital: what Navalny’s brother owns

      As the press secretary of the court Natalya Romanova told ITAR-TASS, in relation to Oleg Navalny, the brother of the oppositionist, the arrest was imposed on securities in the form of shares of several companies, money held in accounts in several banks, as well as seized during searches at the place of residence ... In addition, the seizure was imposed on the share of the authorized capital in LLC Kobyakovskaya Wicker Weaving Factory. The total amount is not indicated in the case file.

      What kind of property of Alexei Navalny was arrested, the press secretary found it difficult to specify. Romanova explained that the arrest is an interim measure for possible claims for damages in the case of fraud in the transportation of goods of the Yves Rocher company. Earlier, the court reported that the arrest was imposed only on the property of Oleg Navalny.
      Read completely
  14. Migari
    Migari 12 November 2013 19: 26
    +9
    I fear that the Russian army, with all its noticeable and less noticeable flaws, is capable of participating in a much larger conflict
    It’s good that you are afraid, the impression is that the author has a bad story: Historical facts and the US secret documents revealed today show that immediately after the defeat of fascist Germany, the USA and England intercepted the baton of Hitler to destroy the USSR and the rebellious Russian people, to open access to our resources. The ideology of destroying the USSR with atomic weapons was created by Truman and Churchill, and the military practice of aggression was developed by the generals and military-industrial capital of the United States, headed by the National Council of Chiefs of Staff. About a dozen such plans were developed in the United States only in the first decade after the Victory over Germany. So why ask such a stupid question?
    Russians really think America will attack them
    And for this we have an army, and a nuclear triad of deterrence and retaliation.
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 12 November 2013 19: 50
      +8
      Quote: Migari
      So why ask such a stupid question?

      Well, I think to warm up the hamster pro-Western nonsense, like there are friends to us and here we have enemies. They simply can’t understand what the Russian person has in genes, that Russia will have to be beaten off. Europeans themselves gave these genes life, and now they are also surprised. And it so happened that the most powerful enemies of their time attacked Russia and the USSR. And it’s clear to the fool that whoever defeats Russia will rule the world.
  15. mountain
    mountain 12 November 2013 19: 26
    +4
    It may be written in part and correctly, but it is not for the POLIC to judge whom Russia considers a threat.
  16. goldfinger
    goldfinger 12 November 2013 19: 27
    28
    Neighbor Belarus. But correctly laid out the Pole. From Minsk, and then large-scale restructuring is visible in the Russian army, and its military-industrial complex. With all the concomitant negatives (the main one is corruption, almost from tenders for R&D). But, if you are ill with this infection, you have to - there is no other way out. Keep it up. And we, your allies, will be calmer in our hearts.
    1. alex352006
      alex352006 12 November 2013 19: 38
      +8
      Thank you brother!
    2. Sergey47
      Sergey47 12 November 2013 21: 23
      +4
      We would have your Old Man. If we are together, then both our peoples will always be calm.
      1. DimYang
        DimYang 13 November 2013 13: 58
        0
        God forbid! There is a popular wisdom: "ub ... kov" not to allow power. It is not for nothing that such a belief exists among the people.
    3. andr327
      andr327 13 November 2013 08: 54
      0
      something too well praised perestroika in the army, and Serdyukov, in their opinion, is the hero of this perestroika, and Kvashnin is a heroic person ...
      When the enemy praise .....
    4. andr327
      andr327 13 November 2013 09: 19
      0
      something too well praised perestroika in the army, and Serdyukov, in their opinion, is the hero of this perestroika, and Kvashnin is a heroic person ...
      When the enemy praise .....
  17. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 November 2013 19: 36
    +8
    - What technology is lacking in Russia the most?

    - If you look at the range of purchases - it lacks everything. It is fair to say that so far the Russian fleet has not yet ordered new aircraft carriers.


    So I was waiting for this (psheks advise)! We do not need these huge coffins (democratizers) as in the USA! Hypersonic missiles and fighters .. and I’m just floating targets I think ... (absorbing huge resources for their maintenance and construction ..) Remember Reagan's SDI program (space missile defense) how he spun us .. for money (huge costs threw into the hole and the economy was weakened, and here Gorbach was just ..)) We have many promising projects in Russia and military, scientific and social where you can invest (here they steal the truth, godlessly ..) but I think we are solving this issue ..
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 12 November 2013 20: 32
      +8
      It should be honestly said that the Russian fleet has not yet ordered new aircraft carriers.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      So I was waiting for this (psheks advise)!

      And on the next branch, spears break, do we need aircraft carriers. If the Poles advise building them, then they are certainly not needed. wink
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 12 November 2013 22: 47
        +3
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        And on the next branch, spears break, do we need aircraft carriers. If the Poles advise building them, then they are certainly not needed.

        Listen to the woman, and do exactly the opposite - folk, (male) wisdom wink
        1. Onyx
          Onyx 12 November 2013 22: 59
          +5
          Listen to the woman, and do exactly the opposite - folk, (male) wisdom wink

          Listen to the Anglo-Saxon and do the opposite. Russian wisdom.
      2. Andrew-88
        Andrew-88 12 November 2013 23: 02
        0
        Here it is Th Mikhalych !!!
        Psheks give us much advice. We here in Balarusi know this :)
        Are these articles about aircraft carriers and other supertechnologies ??? They are trying to impose an arms race on the campaign. Once a ride with the USSR, they try again. The USA can afford it, their machine does not shut up day or night. Everything prints bucks and prints. We must think with our own head.
    2. yur
      yur 12 November 2013 21: 40
      +4
      We definitely need ships in the name of which the roots of "air" and "carrier" are present. Just let it be the Carrier Assassins.
  18. dag 05.ru
    dag 05.ru 12 November 2013 19: 39
    13
    They will attack, not a secret - but only when there will be a 100% guarantee of their impunity. Otherwise, they do not know how to fight. Thank God they have no such guarantee and never will. And the fact that Russia is weaker than it is only temporary.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 13 November 2013 08: 35
      +1
      Yes, you know, throughout the 20th century they shouted that Russia is weaker and where are these screamers. Yes, Russia is slowly harnessing, but driving fast. And now the same songs (old ones in a new way), and here our liberal traitors got crazy (Like Katz suggests surrendering). Whoever comes to us with a sword will die from the sword! On that stood, stands, will stand and Russia! Russia broke the backbone of the German military, and this is not the Angsho-Sak warriors, who in 1944 piled several SS divisions in the Ardennes in full, so crawled up to us that they say Uncle Joe (I.V. Stalin) helped to -Is! If there are real warriors, these are Russians, Germans and Germans of Asia-Japanese, and Americans can’t even fight without a camp toilet!
  19. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 12 November 2013 19: 40
    +8
    Quote: "And the military, perhaps without exception, believe that the threat comes from America. The US attack on Russia is seen as a logical consequence of the current policy of Washington."
    The cowardice of America does not give her the opportunity to attack Russia. The United States, having a monopoly on nuclear weapons, having a bunch of plans for an attack on the USSR, did not overcome the fear of the Union. And now, when Russia can destroy America many, many times, it dares to attack ??? Not all in America are fools,as our great comedian M. Evdokimov said.
  20. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 12 November 2013 19: 42
    +8
    Quote: Arkan
    And so it will be, regardless of who is in power: Putin or Navalny.

    rather, this person meant that Russia would re-equip its army regardless of who exactly sits in the presidential chair. I would like to believe it, but in the 90s we saw that one senile in the highest place is enough and he will be able to ruin anything, and that he himself cannot. then he will call his "friends" and they will help or destroy, or "cut".
  21. vlrosch
    vlrosch 12 November 2013 19: 48
    +5
    Polish politicians are surprised, do they really think that there are fools around and only they have the right to teach it -Russian. I understand that it’s a shame to be in NATO in the backyards, and therefore they lift up the place that everyone is trying not to show to anyone and not turn this place especially to the Dutch. Poland is now fulfilling its task in Europe (and not working badly) to bully Russia, commit provocations against Russians, love Chechen bandits and smash everything connected with Russia. You can’t mindlessly trust Polish provocateurs. Most likely they will additionally need our GAZ, hence this article, but at the same time, the author did not forget to indicate where in the world Russia is.
  22. APASUS
    APASUS 12 November 2013 19: 50
    +8
    Such a small "Ode to the peace-loving NATO", damn it ........... they only bring democracy, there are bombs and missiles left to repaint in pink!
    1. Jaros81
      Jaros81 12 November 2013 23: 30
      0
      Not in pink - in rainbow. So it will be completely tolerant))))
  23. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 12 November 2013 19: 58
    +9
    It would be strange to hear from the Poles something good about Russia and the Russians. The only thing that surprised me was a calm tone, without squeals and tantrums, like our titular fascists.
    1. RDS-1
      RDS-1 12 November 2013 23: 38
      +1
      Calm tone? Yes, they are waiting for a return in hysterics fighting:

      According to a Pravda.Ru source at the MIA General Administration for Moscow, Polish diplomats asked to strengthen armored vehicles and so already the enhanced security of the embassy in the center of the capital.

      Polish ambition, it seems, does not make it clear that no one needs them here, forgive my French. I don’t know why, but the phrase "sissy shniki" comes to mind.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 12 November 2013 23: 58
        +3
        Quote: RDS-1
        Calm tone? Yes, they are waiting for a return in hysterics fighting:

        According to a Pravda.Ru source at the MIA General Administration for Moscow, Polish diplomats asked to strengthen armored vehicles and so already the enhanced security of the embassy in the center of the capital.

        Polish ambition, it seems, does not make it clear that no one needs them here, forgive my French. I don’t know why, but the phrase "sissy shniki" comes to mind.

        Dear Nikolai!
        You confuse soft with warm. They ask their embassy to defend the Russian passionaries against the alleged response of their passionaries to the Russian embassy during the celebration of their independence day.
        And the article is about something else ... hi
  24. BARKAS
    BARKAS 12 November 2013 20: 02
    +2
    - What technology is lacking in Russia the most?
    - If you look at the assortment of purchases, she lacks everything.

    All right, there is also a lack of adequacy in the procurement of military equipment
  25. Bogranz
    Bogranz 12 November 2013 20: 08
    0
    The Poles have a roof going.
  26. Cherdak
    Cherdak 12 November 2013 20: 10
    +7
    You might think that the Americans do not consider Russia the number one enemy!
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 12 November 2013 21: 50
      +1
      Quote: Cherdak
      You might think that the Americans do not consider Russia the number one enemy!
      They don’t consider it, approximately from those times when they realized that the Russian Federation would not be able to export communism to America, because there wasn’t any left. Most Americans consider Islamism to be the No. 1 enemy, and China holds in their minds. Mentally stuck mentally in the Cold War era, people like McCain do not count, and will soon die out naturally.
      1. Onyx
        Onyx 12 November 2013 21: 56
        +3
        Quote: Nagan
        They don’t consider it, approximately from those times when they realized that the Russian Federation would not be able to export communism to America, because there wasn’t any left. Most Americans consider Islamism to be the No. 1 enemy, and China holds in their minds. Mentally stuck mentally in the Cold War era, people like McCain do not count, and will soon die out naturally.

        Thanks for the reassurance, but we know who to consider the enemy No. 1 and who considers us to be the enemy No. 1. And, believe me, ideologies in opposing countries have nothing to do with
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 13 November 2013 00: 53
          0
          Quote: Onyx
          Thanks for the reassurance, but we know who to consider the enemy No. 1 and who considers us to be the enemy No. 1. And, believe me, ideologies in opposing countries have nothing to do with

          Whether I like it or not, I must admit that Russia is not on the list of America's friends and allies. But even in the list of enemies (although this is too strong a definition for Russia, something like "rival" or "opponent" is more suitable here, since there is no open enmity and is not foreseen) Russia is far from being in first place.
          No. 1 is definitely Sunni Islamism, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and the like.
          No. 2 Shiite Islamism, Iran and Hezbollah. Well, to the heap of Assad, since a protege of Iran.
          With these, enmity is open and with the regular use of weapons on both sides.
          No. 3 China. There is no open hostility yet, but China has territorial claims against countries for which America has obligations - Taiwan, Japan, and the Philippines. And China’s appetite for Far East and Siberia is also not liked by America, because if China captures them, it will become too strong for America’s peace and security. Plus competition for resources, in particular energy.
          So Russia in this list of real and potential enemies takes in the worst case a distant 4th line. At the same time, it may happen that if relations with China deteriorate, the Russian Federation may go to the list of allied countries.
          1. kmike
            kmike 13 November 2013 09: 16
            0
            The words are not of an ordinary American, but of Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: Russia has a very large territory and this is unfair. Who gave her the right to judge who has what territory, and what is fair and what is not. Or is it God’s right to do this again? What will these people think after such words resident of Russia. YOU TAKE TOO MUCH FOR YOURSELF, NOT THINKING THAT OTHERS THINK ALSO PEOPLE ARE A NATION THAT REPLACES HIMSELF BY GOD, DECIDING WHO TO LIVE ON OUR LAND, AND WHO SHOULD NOT. /youtu.be/PJkfvTupJH8
      2. family tree
        family tree 12 November 2013 22: 55
        +3
        Quote: Nagan
        They don’t think, approximately from those times when they realized that the Russian Federation would not be able to export communism to America,

        Here, like an official, he threw his hands and, inadvertently, blabbed wassat
        On Fox News, Chairman of the US Internal Security Committee, Michael McCall, expressed the view that the Obama administration should put pressure on Russia so that E. Snowden does not receive political asylum. According to RT, Congressman McCall said that Snowden had betrayed the United States and continues to threaten America’s national security on a daily basis.
        “He swore allegiance to the United States, and now he is trying to take cover our enemies. The very idea that he is in Russia ... I am sure that the Russians themselves are delighted with this. They just make fun of US foreign policy, ”the Republican said on Fox News.
      3. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 13 November 2013 00: 14
        +2
        Quote: Nagan
        Quote: Cherdak
        You might think that the Americans do not consider Russia the number one enemy!
        They don’t consider it, approximately from those times when they realized that the Russian Federation would not be able to export communism to America, because there wasn’t any left. Most Americans consider Islamism to be the No. 1 enemy, and China holds in their minds. Mentally stuck mentally in the Cold War era, people like McCain do not count, and will soon die out naturally.

        Dear Nagan,
        The Russian Federation has never been going to export "communism" as to the US as to anyone else at all.
        So do not talk nonsense, confusing soft with warm ...
        As for the Americans, the majority of Americans consider the enemy No. 1
        Islamism, but in the mind China

        then there’s a serious inaccuracy: they (you?) consider terrorists the current threat, BUT!, a global, existential threat is considered RUSSIAN, and then, somewhere there, China.
        I worked with the Americans for many years ...
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 13 November 2013 03: 50
          -1
          Quote: Peaceful military
          Dear Nagan,
          The Russian Federation has never been going to export "communism" as to the US as to anyone else at all.

          The Russian Federation has never tried, or even planned. And the USSR was even planning, and did not hurt to hide it. The fact that the bald Nikita was banging his boot on the pulpit and yelling "We will bury you" on air very much made an impression on the Americans, and not only on politicians. And the fact that he was still yelling "We will show you Kuzkina's mother", and soon this Kuzkina's Mother was blown up on Novaya Zemlya, so much so that the echo was heard all over the ball, made an even stronger impression.
          That's just the Americans the difference between the USSR and the Russian Federation is somehow not noticeable, and indeed do not care. For them, that the USSR, that the Russian Federation-all one Russian. And although they generally do not know history well and tend to forget it, they remember their fears for a long time.
          1. HAM
            HAM 13 November 2013 10: 54
            -1
            "Nagan" completely confused "ramsy", it is one thing to chat with your tongue (that is, to knock with your boot), and another thing to water the village with napalm, and try all kinds of "kids" on the Japanese.
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 13 November 2013 23: 05
              0
              Quote: HAM
              Nagant "quite" ramsy "beguiled
              Ramsa is your part, I haven’t heard such words, what does this mean in the new Russian language?
              And the fact that ordinary ordinary Americans then almost put them in their pants out of fear - I know what is called first-hand, from my neighbor, who was then a schoolboy. In schools, trainings were conducted such as "climb under the table with the siren, cover your head with your hands." It sounds funny, but then they were not laughing. And some in those years dug shelters under their houses, now most of them are converted into wine cellars, since making living quarters out of them is contrary to some building norms.
      4. Corsair
        Corsair 13 November 2013 00: 20
        +1
        Quote: Nagan
        Most Americans Consider Islamism Enemy No. 1

        From that and plant it around the world under the pretext of establishing democracy?
        Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya - what will remain in these states (?) After US intervention?
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 13 November 2013 01: 00
          +3
          Quote: Corsair
          Quote: Nagan
          Most Americans Consider Islamism Enemy No. 1

          From that and plant it around the world under the pretext of establishing democracy?
          Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya - what will remain in these states (?) After US intervention?

          I have never been a high opinion of US foreign policy, especially when she is ruled by shit. The State Department is completely unable to calculate the strategy for 2-3 moves ahead, and more and more are occupied with tactics. The same Iraq. Saddam picked up - this is a tactical victory. But at the same time they did not think that Shiites would come to power, focusing not only on America, but on Iran. And the fact that all attempts to build Western-style democracy in Arab-Islamic countries failed, they did not learn anything, judging by what they are trying to do in Syria.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 13 November 2013 01: 13
            +2
            Quote: Nagan
            The State Department is completely unable to calculate the strategy for the 2-3 move forward, and more and more busy with tactics.

            Precisely! Representations, not having HOW to do this, take up the "case" (having (until?) economic, financial and, of course, military resources), leaving behind chaos.
            And how can we not call the US administration morons when it stepped on one "rake" stupidly rushing on the next?

            The idea of ​​"EXCLUSION" shut off the brain ???
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 13 November 2013 01: 34
              +4
              Quote: Corsair
              The idea of ​​"EXCLUSION" shut off the brain ???

              Not even that, but the fact that there are more political appointees than professionals, and appointees usually occupy the highest offices. And the ability to please American voters (or rather, the ability to help the boss like it) and foreign policy planning are completely different skills. Alas... sad
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 13 November 2013 02: 11
                +1
                Quote: Nagan
                And the ability to please American voters (or rather, the ability to help the boss like it) and foreign policy planning are completely different skills. Alas...

                Lay people are leading US policy ... (my consolidated conclusion)
              2. Very old
                Very old 13 November 2013 23: 27
                0
                Always the winner (is it?) In the elections pays off the "creditors" positions.
                Hence the lack of professionalism of the appointees. A similar practice is being introduced in our country, unfortunately.
        2. Very old
          Very old 13 November 2013 23: 31
          0
          According to the principle: stand day, hold out the night
  27. pawel1961
    pawel1961 12 November 2013 20: 10
    +1
    fuss fuss and again fuss everyone thinks of himself. and from this we must proceed
  28. coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 12 November 2013 20: 14
    +7
    Yes, she (the USA) will attack, but she will drive the Poles with the Balts in front with kicks. And since you are the first to be handed out, I think it will not matter what territory we agree with the Amers about our future life.
  29. Akim
    Akim 12 November 2013 20: 18
    +2
    Question. Why does Russia need "colonial ships" like UDC or an aircraft carrier?
    1. tomket
      tomket 12 November 2013 20: 28
      +7
      Serdyukov looked at Madagascar and decided to overthrow King Julian.))))))
    2. goldfinger
      goldfinger 12 November 2013 20: 30
      +5
      Quote: Akim
      Question. Why does Russia need "colonial ships" like UDC or an aircraft carrier?
      This is my comment on the descent of the aircraft carrier Gerald Ford.
      The opinion of an ally - a land Belarusian. Do you need such an aircraft carrier for Russia? For the Americans, it fits seamlessly into the strategy of dominating two oceans. Atlantic and Pacific. He's just a cog in this strategy. And Russia? Do you have a military-scientific concept of the modern Armed Forces of the Russian Federation today? Generally? Is their purpose apart from the cliché about "protecting the sacred borders of the Motherland?" The United States is not ashamed of this, of their military concept, to declare publicly. This is democracy, in their understanding, for the entire "backward" world. Do not want yourself, "then we go to you!" With aircraft carriers. And Russia? Today it is a great military land power. And this tendency must be supported by all forces and means.
      As a land explorer I say - a beautiful ship! I would not want to think that Russian sailors would look at him through sights. The European peoples (and the USA), appear on the horizon new, quite terrible in the future, threats. You know about them.
      1. Akim
        Akim 12 November 2013 20: 36
        +3
        Quote: goldfinger
        This is my comment on the descent of the aircraft carrier Gerald Ford.

        I apologize, but did not read. Due to lack of time, I can only handle information on Ukraine’s neighbors (and on it itself).
        Glad we think in the same way. drinks
    3. Dmitriy1975
      Dmitriy1975 12 November 2013 22: 55
      -1
      We will return Crimea :))
      1. Akim
        Akim 12 November 2013 23: 01
        +4
        Quote: Dmitriy1975
        We will return Crimea :))

        Cow again. Here is another provocateur. Okay, why is there such an iron in the Black Sea puddle from a military point of view?
        And believe smoyiki and lyba in such a sensitive issue are not appropriate. It’s better not to lift it at all.
        1. Dmitriy1975
          Dmitriy1975 7 March 2014 00: 17
          0
          I told you, we are returning the Crimea, already.
  30. sxn278619
    sxn278619 12 November 2013 20: 33
    -12 qualifying.
    Who does not think that NATO will invade Russia, that’s a fellow.
    NATO wants to conquer all and generally the aggressor N1.
    Russia can easily defeat NATO. She defeated Georgia?
    The most advanced weapons are produced in Russia. ambulance

    the weapon does not work at all and breaks almost immediately. How do they fight -

    unknown
    The US does not produce anything, only prints dollars.
    1. alone
      alone 12 November 2013 23: 14
      +6
      Quote: sxn278619
      Russia can easily defeat NATO. She defeated Georgia?


      belay is it possible for the ruble to get so drunk? -maybe !!

      friend! where did you buy such grass, can you tell me?
  31. Nitarius
    Nitarius 12 November 2013 20: 41
    +5
    when the fence of our missiles and submarines will fully protect the Bastion of Democracy from terrorists, then we will sleep peacefully
  32. alex25
    alex25 12 November 2013 20: 50
    +2
    Incorrect formulation of the question, it is not a matter of who thinks what, but of probabilities and possibilities. The USA and Poland are building up their capabilities, we do not like it. as the likelihood and temptation to deliver a preventive strike increases. There is no possibility, no probability, no temptation :)
  33. 128mgb
    128mgb 12 November 2013 20: 55
    +2
    Nooo, Russia needs to be afraid of pink inclydes from the constellation of hounds of dogs. But NATO is the same peace-loving organization on our planet.
  34. shitovmg
    shitovmg 12 November 2013 21: 10
    +3
    What weapons are missing? Total! And more, more !!! Again I did not drink a pill from greed ...
  35. Siberian
    Siberian 12 November 2013 21: 12
    +1
    Russians really think America will attack them

    The Russians do not think so. (Big on theirs statement ....) Just everything should be an adequate answer. Let them think for themselves.
  36. me
    me 12 November 2013 21: 16
    +6
    Well, let’s say the United States itself will not attack, but with the wrong hands it’s probably in their style to do Russia’s dirty tricks.
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 12 November 2013 21: 22
      +2
      So they do dirty tricks. And then they smile sweetly, like girls-girls (and I’m che, and I have nothing to do with it) love Something like that.
  37. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 12 November 2013 21: 17
    +3
    Russians really think America will attack them.

    "No matter how, we will attack first! Great Poland from the sea!" thought the Minister of Defense Tomasz Semoniak, and began to grind further nonsense in an interview with Gazeta Wyborcza.
  38. Unisonic
    Unisonic 12 November 2013 21: 48
    +2
    Of course, the USA will vryatli attack Russia even in the perspective of the entire XNUMXst century, but fears are not unfounded. After all, the USA is the most aggressive state on the planet, which is also armed to the teeth and has a military budget that exceeds all military budgets of all countries of the world combined. And this despite the fact that block confrontation is a thing of the past.
    So in military-political terms, in this sense, the United States is a direct descendant of the Third Reich. Only Nazism today is not on a racial basis, but on a political basis. Although recent statements by Obama on the exclusivity of the American nation suggest otherwise.
  39. Ascetic
    Ascetic 12 November 2013 22: 35
    +5
    today the football ultras of the Warsaw Legia, they are also Polish nationalists, attacked the Russian embassy. And here is the opinion of one of the attacking "futolny" hooligans.
    "In general, returning to the events on the 2011 march - the guys also passed next to the Russian embassy and, as part of the" twinned greetings ", threw garbage and fires at him. Then the media did not react much to this. In 2012, the March route passed the embassy and no one even and did not think to purposefully go there.And when a few days before the passage of 2013 it turns out that the path lies through the embassy, began to think - for what? It was not necessary to be a Wang to foresee such a development of events. On the one hand, everything happens spontaneously, on the other - we all understand the mechanisms of behavior of fans. The march was planned so that we had to go near the entrance from Spatserova Street, and then near the main entrance from Belvederskaya Street."

    We can assume that the Moscow authorities would decide Russian March(with the active participation of the same ultras of Moscow Spartak) not in Lublin but around the American embassy.



    1. Lynx
      Lynx 12 November 2013 22: 56
      +2
      It is believed that the clashes at Euro 2012 were planned and the control center was somewhere higher than our two countries.
    2. smile
      smile 12 November 2013 23: 29
      +1
      Ascetic
      Very interesting. I haven’t thought about this before ... I thought that there was connivance and indulgence of the Polish authorities to Russophobic-minded Poles with total propaganda .... and here, it turns out, a provocation. A complete madhouse, in my opinion, even hostile countries don’t do that now ... and these ...
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 12 November 2013 23: 40
        +2
        Quote: smile
        Very interesting. I hadn’t thought about this before ... I thought that there was connivance and indulgence of the Polish authorities to Russophobic-minded Poles with total propaganda ...

        That's it, there is a clear organization and coordination of actions.
        Such "ultras" movements are very convenient to use for provocative actions and at the same time formally remain aloof ...
        1. smile
          smile 13 November 2013 00: 42
          +1
          Corsair
          Yes it is. but I don’t understand why the Polish leadership needs this. Russophobia, and so they kindle in themselves, God forbid. Why also these hooligans? Well, they litter on the territory of the embassy, ​​well, someone will get ours of ours ... What is the use of Poland from this? It's unclear ... Is it really just an attempt to channel the actions of hooligans into a controlled channel?
  40. luka095
    luka095 12 November 2013 22: 39
    +4
    Article "plus". The point of view of the Poles is clearly and understandably shown. You need to know her. To argue with her - no. Because they are not treated, at least those who are in Poland in politics and around it.
    You just need to continue the rearmament of the army and navy and do it on time, without disruption.
  41. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 12 November 2013 22: 46
    +4
    No one will dare attack Russia. And they can drag Russia into shit. Do we need it? Pink butt of the West without mattresses no one. Mattresses in debt. Who will fight?
  42. Lynx
    Lynx 12 November 2013 22: 51
    +4
    "In an interview with Gazeta Wyborcza, Defense Minister Tomasz Siemoniak expressed 'concern and surprise' at the fact that 'Russia continues to believe it is being threatened by Europe and the West.' Where does the Kremlin see the greatest threat?"
    In fact, we are also surprised that 20 percent of Poles sincerely believe that Russia is going to attack Poland.
    At one of their forums or in some commentary I read that "Russia must be held by the face" and that "Russia will soon cry like an offended child."
    I like Poland, their culture, and I like the Poles, some of them, I have a Pole friend, a young guy with the right head, works as a lifeguard, treats Russia well, loves our films, does not approve of my government's policies ... but even I have to to say that some of the Poles really do either smoke, or sniff, or propaganda has eclipsed their minds like that .. Immediately I remember a picture when a hunter pulls a bear through a hollow by the nose and says - "You're lying, squirrel, you won't leave." They obviously do not understand who, what and where, or they feel they are part of NATO, like a Chihuahua next to the owner's leg .. Take the Chihuahua away from the owner and this dog will crumple with fear.

    In general, this article is here, apparently in connection with the latest events in Poland. Why stir up hysteria? Let's not be like a certain part of the Poles who are ready to break into heart-rending screams and barks, say only one word "Russia" .. Apparently, the word "Poland" works the same for some ..
    But believe me, there are a lot of sensible people who do not support nationalists and other riffraff. And they understand that EU assistance is not free.
    1. smile
      smile 12 November 2013 23: 44
      +7
      Lynx
      You wrote the right comment .... But, to be honest, I was surprised that you indicated the figure of 20 percent .... it will not be enough. Rather regular communication with the mob of my Polish relatives and their environment (I’m less than an hour from Poland, but far away - Wroclaw, Katowice and Krakow) convinced me that if 20 percent are loyal to us, it’s very good.
      Maybe you do not communicate very closely with them? Because it’s understandable, in that case, they are holding back ... but they consider me almost a Pole (just falling under Russian propaganda :)))) and are not at all shy .... I will not give examples. OK? :))) But this does not prevent me from communicating normally with them. Although I do not hide my opinion. :)))
      The vast majority of Poles hate Russia and Russians, they even despise our cinema ... you were wonderfully lucky with a friend, this is a very sharp Pole ... maybe his communist grandfather? There are plenty of sane people there ... but, unfortunately, even sane people are affected by total propaganda ... Alas.

      By the way, besides us, they generally hate all neighbors - everyone offended them ... :)))
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 12 November 2013 23: 58
        +1
        Quote: smile
        .but they consider me almost a Pole

        Welcomesmile!
        So this is where your "natural harm and corrosiveness" comes from! laughing (joke).
        Quote: smile
        By the way, besides us, they generally hate all neighbors - everyone offended them ... :)))

        AND HOW US to live with this? For Russia, this is a tragedy ...
        1. smile
          smile 13 November 2013 00: 56
          +5
          Corsair
          Greetings!
          Why be shy, you exposed me :)))) - my nasty malicious character is an objective fact :))) If Polish roots do not fit this role, you can use Vainakh ... :)))
          But I’m very kind and it’s hard enough to get me crazy ... but where is this from? From Ukrainians? :)))

          And how can we live, I won’t know :))) Once in Wroclaw, one friend asked - listen, are you tired of getting googled? You better tell me honestly, this is what we should do, so feasible that you stop composting our brains? He paused, paused. and says - from what you can do and we would do in your place- NOTHING! In your place, we would send us to the dupes! :))) a normal man, in general. fair....:))))

          Seriously, I don’t know any more people whose representative believed that everyone is to blame for them and everyone owes them ...
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 13 November 2013 01: 28
            +2
            Quote: smile
            Why be shy, you exposed me :)))) - my nasty malicious character is an objective fact :))) If Polish roots do not fit this role, you can use Vainakh ... :)))
            But I’m very kind and it’s hard enough to get me crazy ... but where is this from? From Ukrainians? :)))

            And what am I supposed to do if I have a mixture of Don, Gypsy, Italian, and Ukrainian blood in me?!? fellow(this is what I know, and dig deeper recourse ...)
            1. smile
              smile 13 November 2013 01: 41
              +2
              Corsair
              What to do, what to do ... to be proud of the ancestors, that's what! I’m proud, no matter what I have. :)))
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 13 November 2013 01: 44
                +2
                Quote: smile
                What to do, what to do ... to be proud of the ancestors, that's what! I’m proud, no matter what I have. :)))

                Yes, I’m not talking about ancestors ...
                The character "quarrelsome" laughing
                1. smile
                  smile 13 November 2013 02: 17
                  +1
                  Corsair
                  I didn’t notice your unserviceable character, telling yourself ... :))) Maybe, unnoticed, against my background? ... :))))
                  But since the character is hot-tempered, I advise you to learn a few expressions - "I won't be anymore", "oh, I accidentally", "It's not me", "why is he the first to climb?", "Comrade, are you alive? ... Eh, comrade, comrade ... ". In principle, this simple set of phrases will greatly help society to come to terms with your character :))))
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 13 November 2013 02: 26
                    +2
                    Quote: smile
                    But once the temper is quick-tempered

                    No, not quick-tempered, HARMFUL lol
                    1. smile
                      smile 13 November 2013 02: 59
                      +1
                      Corsair
                      Yeah ... you’re definitely harmful, what an annoying one ... :))) hell-soul mate ... :)))
                      Have you tried to carry milk with you? Just feel that the interlocutor is harmful to communicate with you, you are his milk! And everyone is happy, you understand why :))) the interlocutor, too, not for nothing that milk is given out as harmful ... :)))
                      As you can see, everything is simple, most importantly, you don’t have to do anything with your character. :)))
                      1. Corsair
                        Corsair 13 November 2013 03: 35
                        +2
                        Quote: smile
                        Have you tried to carry milk with you? Just feel that the interlocutor is harmful to communicate with you, you are his milk! And everyone is happy, you understand why :))) the interlocutor, too, not for nothing that milk is given out as harmful ... :)))

                        I think it's better like THIS, well, like him ... Tell me, whose mother is Russian and father is a lawyer ...SOKOM. laughing

                        It's a pity the picture is funny, for some reason it does not open, I give the link:
                        http://www.mn.ru/images/30320/16/303201626.jpg
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 13 November 2013 06: 31
            +2
            Quote: smile
            Seriously, I don’t know any more people whose representative believed that everyone is to blame for them and everyone owes them ...

            Arabs. And further american blacks African Americans are to blame (that's the only way, and with a capital letter, it is politically correct). Before these two nationalities, the Poles as before China in a certain position in the sense of harmfulness and vindictiveness. Arabs still cannot forgive the West for the Crusades, and African Americans, respectively, slavery. And even the Arabs believe that the whole world owes them forever for the invention of Islam.
            1. smile
              smile 13 November 2013 14: 13
              0
              Revolver
              Well, I don’t know ... not so much talked with Arabs ... but this impression, to be honest, did not work out. With one, they even developed quite friendly relations — he is a semi-Algerian semi-French (lives in Algeria), Raduan. Communicated with them not only at work, but also in an informal setting, that is, with a glass of ... tea. They suppress Vodyar in our own way, no Islam is a hindrance to them ... :))) Their high intellectual level surprised me. I didn’t notice anything like that after them ....

              Well, with the American these same .. Negroes. never talked. Only with whites. And earlier with white often enough. At first they were surprised by their tightness and alertness, despite an obvious attempt to show demonstrative openness - that’s what they just accuse us of :))) And a rather narrow horizons beyond professional interests. Some naivety ... well, it's not about them ... :)))

              I don’t know, maybe you’re right, but for some reason it seems to me that you just spoke a little with the Poles ... :)))
          3. Gav-111
            Gav-111 13 November 2013 09: 13
            +1
            You don’t know? hi
      2. Lynx
        Lynx 13 November 2013 00: 15
        +4
        I don’t know the real numbers. This was indicated after the battle at Euro 2012. It may actually be more.
        My friend is looking for films, looking for subtitles for them. I am looking for subtitles for Polish films, translate something. I am a member of a group of lovers of Polish cinema. Actually, we met on this cinematic ground. Then he taught me the Polish language, I spoke Russian. Makes subtitles for me, pulls them out of disks. I asked the Russians in Warsaw to write a rumor for two films, they said - Are you out of your mind at all? This is how much time .. And the Poles (friend and unfamiliar to me polka, familiar acquaintance) took and did without talking ..
        My friend is an amazingly tactful person. What framework has been established, in such and communicate. No politics and religion, i.e. those discussing which with compatriots we always quarrel, swear, etc. We communicate closely and on topics that bring together. At the same time, our nationalists or similar people come to us in a group, they start shouting something bad .. But for our nations, most often we don’t have to work to make a squabble erupt. Claims will sprinkle in abundance on both sides.
        You know, we always have time to quarrel. We need to look for common ground.
        At first, out of habit, I began to ask something about politics, but he, the same age as these fellows, was tactfully silent, and no matter what I asked. He said only - governments are governments, and people are people. I hope it will be better in the future.

        And that they hate the neighbors, well, what can I say .. I’m glad that we are not alone. My friend told me how it was necessary to lower the stretcher with the patient to the ambulance - right away, all of her neighbors, who were standing nearby, looked, their legs and backs hurt, and they disappeared behind the doors of their apartments. There are such people, and good.
        He said that for the film about Anna German, many Poles were grateful to us ...
        Do not swear, do not carve sparks, and try to look for common ground ..
        After all, they also want to quarrel with Ukraine .. But we are all Slavs ... You won’t break a whole broom, but it’s easy to take a branch.
        1. smile
          smile 13 November 2013 01: 27
          +3
          Lynx
          Thank. Then everything is clear. You initially fell into a fairly tight circle of people, united by an extremely rare hobby for Poles. Your colleagues simply cannot really treat us badly, if only because of a hobby. And it’s very good that he is so considerate. Yes, and it would be strange if he was tactless with a woman, or discussed political issues with you. Here, personally, I also can not imagine. let's say. if I meet with Katarzyna and start pestering her with political claims :))) Normal people always have something to talk about besides politics ...

          In principle, I agree that we always have time to swim, we need to try to make friends ... so we try. But it’s not for me to tell you what is going on in their media ... because, perhaps, our attitude towards them entirely depends on their efforts to spoil us. This you still take into account that while Russia at the official level of decent change to Poland has not yet given .... although there was something ...

          And you are right about the film about Anna German, you were grateful ... you know. but I can’t help but ask you, and don’t you see what kind of films they make about us?
          It's sad ... I'm not saying that they are all bad there. no ... but the whole power of the state propaganda machine, and the overwhelming majority of the population refers to us unequivocally ..... and this is sad ... here you are talking about the Slavs correctly ... but you know. that comrades bros fought with us almost continuously for 700-800 years ... over five hundred years of their continuous attempts at a war of aggression .. enslavement ... starting from the 15th century - the most severe polonization, oppression ...
          and the 20th century? My grandmother’s large family are besiegers who received land in Vilnius torn away by the troops of Zheligovsky .. Granny is still alive ... it’s just scary to listen to her ... her dad and uncles really had to fight our land in the 20s ... comrades the Poles treated us the same way the Nazis did ... understand?
          Yes, we will be friends with them, with those rare people who don’t tell us in person that they hate us ... but I saw an insignificant number of Poles who admitted their guilt before us ... propaganda turned out to be stronger than reason ...

          Here is such a sad story ... how is it with them in the same broom? A broom will not work with them, even though they are Slavs, they are not Ukrainians.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 13 November 2013 01: 38
            +3
            Quote: smile
            Here is such a sad story ... how is it with them in the same broom? A broom will not work with them, even though they are Slavs, they are not Ukrainians.

            I agree to all 100 both regarding the Poles and the Ukrainians (their healthy part).
            Century Poland was an enemy of Ukraine, and these countries share no less global differences than Russia and the Republic of Poland ...
  43. rpek32
    rpek32 12 November 2013 22: 56
    +1
    It should be honestly said that the Russian fleet has not yet ordered new aircraft carriers.

    ........... on aircraft carriers is now very fashionable. it doesn’t matter whether they are needed or not. laughing
  44. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 12 November 2013 23: 18
    0
    "However, I would not underestimate the consequences of the Soviet brainwashing that continues to this day." one Pole said America brainwashed ...
  45. Lynx
    Lynx 12 November 2013 23: 18
    0
    Quote: Bograntz
    The Poles have a roof going.

    Or maybe the article was written and posted here? It’s painfully provocative, especially in the light of recent events. And I would also like to read the source. Onet.pl is a search engine like our Yandex.ru.
    And if this is a provocation, then what else can there be to it?
  46. crambol
    crambol 12 November 2013 23: 19
    +1
    - What technology is lacking in Russia the most?
    - If you look at the assortment of purchases, she lacks everything.

    A sensible thought. We will try hard!
  47. calocha
    calocha 12 November 2013 23: 20
    +1
    Poland’s palitikans long ago feed from Uncle Sam’s hands, handouts must be worked out, and the Anglo-Saxon ass licks to squeak.
  48. Lynx
    Lynx 12 November 2013 23: 22
    0
    Quote: Valery Neonov
    "However, I would not underestimate the consequences of the Soviet brainwashing that continues to this day." said one Pole, a brainwashed America ...

    Bugaga) At least we will not rush to the German Embassy on May 9.
    In general, answering this, I feel that it is written so that it was impossible not to answer.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 13 November 2013 00: 03
      +2
      Quote: Lynx
      Bugaga) At least we will not rush to the German Embassy on May 9.

      Because by and large the GERMAN and RUSSIAN have long been reconciled.
      We remember both they and we about WHAT HOW and WHY happened and at the level of state power we have no complaints against each other ...
  49. baku1999
    baku1999 12 November 2013 23: 28
    +1
    IF EVERYTHING IS SO MIRACLE AND BEAUTIFUL, WHAT LET YOU ASK FOR HORSE, HERE AS WOLVES WITH FLAGS, ENLARGED WITH MILITARY BASES ??????????????
  50. Deadman
    Deadman 12 November 2013 23: 28
    0
    The Poles need to write no matter how Russia is arming itself ... And what should all Polish girls do and where to run smile if it all starts ..