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Feat commander britanova



The fatal number of 13 ... 27 years ago, in October 1986 of the year, the PKN CH "K-13" project 219AU "Burbot" (NATO - "Yankee") did not return from ...

It was the first missile carrier that received the status of an “underwater strategist” and became the ancestor of a whole series of strategic submarines, right up to the giant Dolphin 667BDRM.

Subsequently, various incidents happened to the ships of this series (such as the “Kalmar” ground strike), but what happened in the Sargasso Sea from “K-219” could well turn into an environmental and political catastrophe - due to an explosion in the missile mine No. 6 on the ground lay a submarine with two reactors and fifteen nuclear missiles on board! And it is some six months after the tragedy of Chernobyl, and even on the eve of the meeting of Gorbachev and Reagan in Reykjavik!

Place of death K-219


At the cost of life of the special barge, sailor Sergey Preminin, the tragedy was prevented - when it became clear that after the emergency protection had been triggered at one of the reactors, the compensating grids hung and did not end on the end stops (which was threatened by a thermal explosion), he and the commander of the special brigade group lieutenant N. Belikov went to the reactor hell. The last time Sergey left alone, he managed to lower the last grille, get to the bulkhead door, but ... Due to the pressure drop, the door was jammed, and Sergey was no longer able to pull the check, turn the valve and equalize the pressure. . At that time, in the adjacent, eighth compartment, Senior Midshipman V. Yezhov and two sailors tried to open the jammed door with the help of a sliding stop. In vain, the trap slammed shut ... In addition to Sergey, three more people were killed: the commander of the warhead-2, captain of the 3 rank A. Petrachkov and the sailors N. Smaglyuk and I. Kharchenko.

Sergey Preminin


After an almost daily unsuccessful struggle for survivability, the boat commander, captain 2 of the rank of Igor Britanov, ordered the second reactor to be stifled and the crew evacuated to the approached Soviet ships. He himself remained on the bridge - with a Makarov pistol and a rocket launcher in the pockets of the Canadian. The fact is that a foreign submarine was constantly circling near the sinking Soviet submarine (as it turned out, it was an American submarine hunter "Augusta" of the Los Angeles class under the command of James Von Suskil), and the US Navy tug Pauhatan insistently He offered his services in towing emergency submarines to the nearest American base - Norfolk.

US Navy Tug "Pauheten"


The British understood perfectly well - leave it and the agonizing ship, the Americans will immediately take it in tow - left by the crew, it will be considered "unattended", but for now at least one person remains on the ship, they will not dare to do that. Or maybe he himself was going to leave with his ship to the bottom? Who knows ... He could not understand that by his action he put an end to his military career and secured a place on his bunk: how, he surfaced in the immediate vicinity of the enemy coast, stopped the struggle for survivability, evacuated the crew and thus "ruined" the multimillion ship !



Meanwhile, during daylight hours, an emergency party was still landing on the dying boat, an attempt was even made to start a tow rope from the ship Krasnogvardeisk. And it was successful - October 5 in 18.20 unusual caravan began to move. Only here is an order from Moscow - to move to Gadzhiyevo - I was amazed by the submariners: by this course in such weather conditions? Why not to Cuba? It can be seen, and the Soviet leadership did not really trust the “class brothers” ...

Igor Britanov on the deck of a ship in distress


And the enemy periscope was getting closer and closer at high speed near the boat and the towing cable. Finally, on October 6 in 06.18, Britanov saw him move across the line from the caravan and set off between the stern of Krasnogvardeisk and the bow of the K-219, where the slack cable was! Depth of sagging reached 270 meters, and Von Suskil could not be afraid of a collision with ships. And he knew that if the circulation even lightly touched the taut cable, he would burst, causing minimal damage to his boat. His calculation was justified - the cable burst!

Britons understood: this is the end, the boat can not be saved. The emergency party was sent to Krasnogvardeisk, and Igor Britanov, who was loyal to the honor of the naval officer and commander's duty, remained on the sinking ship until the last moment. As soon as the water approached the bridge, he moved into a life-saving raft and began to row towards the Red Guard. In 11.03 6 in October 1986 of the year, flashing a farewell with screws, "K-219" went on its last dive ...

And then - the hospitable Havana, far from the hospitable Moscow, the 9-month investigation and conclusion - are to blame: the deceased Petrachkov (do not they have a shame for the dead?), The commander of the BS-5 I. Krasilnikov, and, of course, the commander of the submarine I. Britanov. Both were "shining" for 8 years, but ... By this time, Matthias Rust had planted his "Cessna" on the main square of the country, and the new USSR Minister of Defense D. Yazov had a dilemma: who should be punished - Britanova, a hero in the eyes of the whole world, or generals who made the country a laughing stock? As a result, Britanova and Krasilnikova were released from criminal punishment (never removing the blame for the death of the ship), but they were expelled from the party fleet fired. As is usual with us: to punish the innocent, to reward the uninvolved ...

Members of the Britanova crew who participated in the September-October 1986 campaign, and the people who helped rescue the crew.


But there were the perpetrators? Were Who! The answer lies on the surface: the staff officers of all levels - from the division to the main board of the Navy. Why exactly they?

1. The accident occurred due to the entry of seawater into the #6 rocket shaft. Did you know about this? Of course, they knew. During the control exit before the fateful campaign, none other than the flagship rocket of the division headquarters ordered to turn off the “Water in mine number XXUMX” alarm and organize the discharge into the dirty water tank of the 6 compartment. Moreover, according to Alexander Pokrovsky, this mine was already an emergency in 4! year, when his crew went to K-1979 in combat service.

2. What was the need to send a crew into the sea, who had just spent 3 exhausting months in autonomy and in dire need of rest? And everything is very simple - it was necessary to replace the SSBN with the missile armament in the combat service of the SSBN. So - a faulty ship is being changed ... for a faulty one too!

3. And most importantly - the crew was manned by assigned personnel according to the most modest calculations on 35%! But after all, "The course of combat training of missile nuclear submarines" unequivocally states: "With a change in staffing of more than 30%, the crew is taken out of the line." This means that such a crew is considered sky-rate and to restore primeity and must fully work out and hand over the division headquarters and its commander the coursework tasks in full (L-1, L-2, L-3).

And done guilty (just did!) Britanova.

Unexpected help came from ... the Americans: Peter Huchthausen and Robert Alan White, who co-wrote with Russian submariner Igor Kurdin, the book “Hostile Waters”, unprecedented in their kindness and honesty, the book Hostile Waters, the main heroes, helped restore the honor of a naval officer who sacrificed his career to save the crew. which became Igor Britanov, PKK CH "K-219" and its crew. In this book, they did not hide the shameful, piracy role of the American Augusta submarine in the death of the Soviet missile carrier.

... This is sad история has a rather unexpected continuation: the Russian submariner, captain of the 1 rank I. Britanov sued Hollywood for using facts from his life in the film without his consent and won it! The Dream Factory had to pay him a decent amount, the amount of which the captain modestly kept silent about.

And I would like to finish with a quote from the book “Hostile Waters”: “... after the reception (4 August 1998 of the year, the officer club of the US Naval Academy in Annapolis - author) one of those present broke through to the Russian commander, firmly shaking hands, said quietly : “I'm from the Augusta crew. I was then on her board. Accept my apologies ... "And before Britanov could answer, he quickly stepped aside, lost in the crowd ..."

PS As you can see, I practically did not cover the beginning of the accident, nor its development. Yes, it was not part of my task. I wanted to talk about the exploits of the Commander. Commander with a capital K. I hope I have succeeded in this to a small extent. And about the accident you can read on the Internet, a lot has been written about it. Only I beg you, do not read Vicki - when I read, I didn’t know whether to mate or laugh. Read better the book "Hostile Waters" or watch the documentary "K-219. Last Campaign" - both are on the Internet. But I did not dare to watch the film “Hostile Waters” - knowing how the “masters” from the hollywood show interpreted the historical truth (K-19 director Katherine Beglow bluntly told 1 captain Sergey Aprelev, in response to the remark, that it is not true that it does not happen on submarines: “I’m your truth to the bulb, I need a spectacle”), didn’t want to spoil the impression from the book.
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  1. kush62
    kush62 9 November 2013 08: 42
    21
    First: Eternal Glory to the Fallen Sailors, Defenders of the Fatherland
    Secondly: such as captain 1st rank I. Britanov have always been and always will be - this is the conscience of our country!
    thirdly: guilty high-ranking officials, military or civil, are not guilty,
    switchman they always find.

    fourth off with prejudice and superstition. I was born on the 13th and I do not consider myself a martyr and sufferer.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 9 November 2013 14: 30
      +6
      Yes, that’s true, but at the expense of superstition, it’s better not to swear.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 9 November 2013 17: 42
        +7
        Quote: lelikas
        but at the expense of superstition - it’s better not to promise it.

        That's right ... And not only sailors. In Plesetsk, at each launch, a female name is written on board (forgot).
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 9 November 2013 19: 20
          +5
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          That's right ... And not only sailors. In Plesetsk, at each launch, a female name is written on board (forgot).

          "Tanya"
    2. Old_kapitan
      9 November 2013 17: 57
      +4
      I was born 13 number and do not consider myself a martyr and sufferer.

      I basically buy 13 series, 13 place in the cinema. So what?
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 9 November 2013 18: 28
        +5
        Quote: Old_Kapitan
        I basically buy 13 series, 13 place in the cinema. So what?

        Superstition? Happy ...
        1. bif
          bif 10 November 2013 06: 50
          +2
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Superstition?

          A biased attitude towards the 13 figure came to Russia with Coca-Cola ...
          1. Old_kapitan
            10 November 2013 12: 39
            +2
            A biased attitude towards the 13 figure came to Russia with Coca-Cola ...

            Nothing like this. I have been many years old, but I remember from childhood that the 13 number is not good.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 10 November 2013 12: 47
              +5
              Quote: Old_Kapitan
              that the number 13 is not good, I remember from childhood.
              I was born on the 13th, on Monday, at 13 o’clock ... At school we had the 13th graduation, I got to serve in the 13th division ... So far, alive lol
              1. kush62
                kush62 10 November 2013 19: 48
                +2
                While alive

                Yes, and do not rush
      2. Nuar
        Nuar 10 November 2013 12: 03
        0
        Quote: Old_Kapitan
        I basically buy 13 series, 13 place in the cinema. So what?

        You must be Satan. am
        1. Old_kapitan
          10 November 2013 12: 39
          0
          You must be Satan

          Aha wink
  2. Ols76
    Ols76 9 November 2013 08: 44
    +2
    Unfortunately, how often it is our criminal negligence that is to blame. the faulty ship is changed ... to the faulty too!
    1. bif
      bif 10 November 2013 06: 47
      +1
      Quote: Ols76
      it is our criminal negligence that is to blame.

      "Every accident has a last name, first name and position!" - said the people's commissar of railway transport Lazar Moiseevich Kaganovich
  3. svp67
    svp67 9 November 2013 08: 52
    +4
    And the enemy periscope was getting closer and closer at high speed near the boat and the towing cable. Finally, on October 6 in 06.18, Britanov saw him move across the line from the caravan and set off between the stern of Krasnogvardeisk and the bow of the K-219, where the slack cable was! Depth of sagging reached 270 meters, and Von Suskil could not be afraid of a collision with ships. And he knew that if the circulation even lightly touched the taut cable, he would burst, causing minimal damage to his boat. His calculation was justified - the cable burst!


    Assassins ... And how does Won Suskil sleep after that?
    1. Samy
      Samy 9 November 2013 09: 32
      -28 qualifying.
      Who did they kill? The boat had already surfaced, had no progress, in the reactor compartment people were already dead.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 9 November 2013 10: 11
        +5
        Quote: Samy
        Who did they kill? The boat had already surfaced, had no progress, in the reactor compartment people were already dead.

        It's a pity the "system" limits the number of "cons" ...
        1. july
          july 9 November 2013 15: 56
          +1
          It's okay, help! drinks
      2. Hudo
        Hudo 9 November 2013 11: 38
        15
        Quote: Samy
        Who did they kill?

        Quote: Samy
        in the reactor compartment, people are dead.


        ??? Striped nonhumans that personally checked the pulse and the pupils in the light ????

        Quote: Samy
        The boat had already surfaced, had no move,


        Hmm, how could I explain it in a simpler way ... To pierce the tires of an ambulance with an awl while the team is providing assistance cannot be justified by the fact that the one who is being helped has "sailed" and "has no move." It is disgusting and disgusting. For such actions, you need to beat the top of the head with a candelabrum.
        1. Samy
          Samy 9 November 2013 12: 13
          -16 qualifying.
          Hmm, how would it be easier to answer hysterics who do not know how to read ... This story is painted by the minute. "The emergency party was sent to Krasnogvardeysk, and Igor Britanov, loyal to the honor of a naval officer and commanding duty, remained on the dying ship until the last moment." All. All the living were removed, the reactor compartment was blocked, the commander was alone on the boat. Would the commander and the team leave if there was a chance to save someone in the compartments? Never. The Americans are simply not good people (I cannot speak), no doubt, but in this case they are not killers. The faulty boat went under the very enemy coast, what is the reason? You can minus if you have nothing to think about.
          1. olegyurjewitch
            olegyurjewitch 9 November 2013 15: 04
            10
            Quote: Samy
            but they are not killers in this case

            The Nazis shot compositions under the red cross, something that no one ever did! A ship, whether military or civilian, in distress, by all the rules of international law, should not be attacked, there should be no obstacles to a TOWED SHIP. GUILTY !!!
            1. Kolya
              Kolya 10 November 2013 22: 05
              0
              if the rules of international law were violated by amers, so why didn’t our cabinet offices obtain damages and condemn US actions at the international level? Why does the radioactive filling poison the ocean to this day through the fault of the Americans and the Americans do not bear any responsibility?
      3. Pashhenko Nikolay
        Pashhenko Nikolay 9 November 2013 11: 55
        +1
        And the emergency party that accompanied the boat? Not the fact that they would have managed to remove it if that.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 9 November 2013 12: 12
          +3
          Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
          And the emergency party that accompanied the boat? Not the fact that they would have managed to remove it if that.


          In addition, it was impossible to categorically deny the presence of emergency submarines that were blocked in the emergency compartments of the living crew members and lost their progress. Even though the Americans counted on the heads of all those who left the submarine and were taken aboard.
          1. Samy
            Samy 9 November 2013 12: 24
            +2
            It can be categorically denied. The last to leave was the British, and the emergency crew was removed. At the time of towing the boat, only they remained alive on it. Read carefully.
            1. Old_kapitan
              9 November 2013 17: 55
              +7
              It can be categorically denied.

              Only the British could categorically deny this. But not the Yankees. And taking such a step, Won Suskil could not know if he would kill anyone or not.
              1. Old_kapitan
                10 November 2013 12: 42
                +3
                By the way, remember the chronology - when Suskil cut the cable, no one knew that the boat would sink, otherwise it would be pointless to cut it. Yes, and tow too. So you can not call a murderer, but what a pirate - so do not go to the grandmother.
      4. lelikas
        lelikas 9 November 2013 14: 21
        11
        Whom the Yankees killed - life is not enough to read the entire list.
        But in this case, they violated all written and unwritten laws, to interfere with the rescue operation is the height of indecency, and James Vaughn Suskil just fucked up (sorry, I remember that he promised without a mat).
        And no matter what caused the explosion - a malfunction or a collision - he had no right to interfere with the rescuers.
      5. Misantrop
        Misantrop 9 November 2013 16: 13
        +3
        Quote: Samy
        Who did they kill? The boat has already surfaced
        Take a look at the first photo - a classic trail of a transverse keel impact of the SAME PL a little earlier. Standard "dangerous maneuvering". Yes, the mine has been running for a long time, but ... the impact in a collision was the direct cause of the accident request
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 9 November 2013 17: 45
          +5
          Quote: Misantrop
          Standard "dangerous maneuvering".

          And this was not the first, and not the last case.
        2. Old_kapitan
          9 November 2013 17: 51
          +2
          Take a look at the first photo - the classic trail of a transverse keel strike THIS SAME PL slightly earlier.

          Wrong impression. Obviously, you have a poor idea of ​​the submarine design. Could not "Augusta" inflict such a precise blow that would rip off only one cover, would certainly damage the rest. By the way, Britanov himself confidently stated in one of his interviews that there was no collision.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 9 November 2013 19: 51
            +4
            Quote: Old_Kapitan
            Obviously, you poorly imagine the design of the submarine.
            Apparently, yes. Rising just on the submarine of the 19th division (667A, from where this submarine left for its last campaign), knowing well the guys from this crew. And living in the same entrance with their commander of the 8th compartment ... request
            Not a ramming blow, but a sliding touch across, tore off the fairings of the covers of two adjacent mines. By the way, the commander of the American nuclear submarine, following the results of that campaign, was written off "by the fool" ...

            And what was left for Britanov? To admit that to all other sins hung on him, he allowed a collision with a nuclear submarine of a potential adversary? Add another brick to your neck? what
            1. Old_kapitan
              10 November 2013 11: 35
              +1
              Apparently, yes.

              Sorry, namesake. He answered in a hurry from the smartphone, but did not recognize. Of course, knowing where you served, I wouldn’t write such nonsense. But I did not know to whom I was answering.
              About the blow. I also heard about this version. But visualizing the submarine hull (seen enough at the docks) and the width of the mine cover (and on the azukhs they are narrower than ours) ... I don’t deny 100% - everything is possible, but it’s painfully doubtful.
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 11 November 2013 00: 23
                0
                Quote: Old_Kapitan
                But visualizing the submarine hull (seen enough at the docks) and the width of the mine cover (and on the azukhs they are narrower than ours) ... I don’t deny 100% - everything is possible, but it’s painfully doubtful.

                According to the law of the bastard, the main blow came precisely in it. Take a look at the photo again, there is neither its fairing, nor the jumper between the covers of adjacent mines, nor the horizontal part of the fairing of the adjacent cover. They are not sugar, they could not dissolve themselves. WHERE did all this happen and for what reason? what
      6. kirpich
        kirpich 9 November 2013 18: 12
        +1
        Read MPPSS-72, everything is clearly painted there.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 9 November 2013 18: 35
          +4
          Quote: kirpich
          Read MPPSS-72, everything is clearly painted there.

          These rules apply to ships, but not to military, and especially submarines.
  4. poccinin
    poccinin 9 November 2013 09: 01
    +1
    The Americans made a film. About K-219 "HARMFUL WATER" surprising that. you can watch, especially the moment of extinguishing a fire with seawater of missile silos.
    1. Old_kapitan
      9 November 2013 18: 02
      +3
      especially the moment of extinguishing the fire with the outboard water of the rocket mines.

      This is a standard missile mine irrigation system to prevent fire. Exactly the same is in the torpedo compartment for irrigation of shelving torpedoes. I at one time proposed a ratsuha - to irrigate and shelving with spare regeneration cans, so rejected - not provided by the designer. And regeneration if it lights up ...
      1. desava
        desava 10 November 2013 09: 05
        +1
        Quote: Old_Kapitan
        I once suggested that Ratsuh irrigate and shelves with spare regeneration cans

        I understood correctly - is this not sarcasm? Regenerative cartridges and plates in case of fire pour water? If my memory serves me, mixing regeneration with water just causes the ignition of these plates. It can be extinguished only with 114B2 refrigerant and nothing else. And even that is not a fact that it is successful.
        1. Old_kapitan
          10 November 2013 11: 32
          0
          Read below.
      2. atalef
        atalef 10 November 2013 09: 11
        0
        Quote: Old_Kapitan
        I at one time proposed a ratsuha - to irrigate and shelving with spare regeneration cans, so rejected - not provided by the designer. And regeneration if it lights up.

        In this case (as I understand it), a ratsukha is a constant threat of fire. And if you put out the tanned ones, it’s not only useless, but only intensify the burning. As far as I know, regenerative cartridges burn wonderful in water.
        The meaning of Ratsukha is not entirely clear, can you explain in more detail?
        1. Old_kapitan
          10 November 2013 11: 31
          0
          The meaning of Ratsukha is not entirely clear, can you explain in more detail?

          I explain. Spare plates for the RDU are stored in hermetically sealed metal cans. Water them for at least a year - nothing will happen. But if, during a fire, at least one can is depressurized ... Well, you understand. So I proposed to hold a pipe with openings over the banks at regular intervals, cut it into the nearest overboard pipe and put in a valve, preferably an automatic machine that opens at a certain temperature. Do you get it now?
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 10 November 2013 12: 48
            +3
            Quote: Old_Kapitan
            So I proposed to hold a pipe with openings over the banks at regular intervals, cut it into the nearest outboard pipeline and put in a valve, preferably an automatic machine that opens at a certain temperature

            There is nothing more reliable than an ordinary valve (or better than 2 displayed in adjacent compartments) - all automation has the ability to fail at the right time.
            1. Old_kapitan
              10 November 2013 13: 05
              +1
              But what about "Lear"? By the way, you can also duplicate it, this is not a problem.
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop 10 November 2013 13: 49
            +1
            Quote: Old_Kapitan
            Spare plates for the RDU are stored in hermetically sealed metal cans. Water them for at least a year - nothing will happen. But if, during a fire, at least one can is depressurized ...
            ... These cans are called "B-64", tin, rusting quite easily. It is dumb to water such salt water ...
            1. Old_kapitan
              10 November 2013 16: 03
              +1
              These cans are called "B-64", tin, rusting quite easily. It is dumb to water such salt water ...

              I remember the namesake. Only if sclerosis doesn’t fail me, B-64 is not banks, but what is in banks. smile You see, namesake, RBJ requires that these cans be protected in case of fire from contact with fire and high temperatures. How do I do it? Will I be dumb? And it, the infection, at 200 degrees is soldered off, at 350 it melts and flows out of the cans, and at 500 it decomposes at all. What is worse: pour some water and then control it for rust, or get a "surprise" in the form of a hotbed of uncontrolled oxygen release? And the banks are not so good, and they are painted.
          3. desava
            desava 10 November 2013 21: 31
            0
            Quote: Old_Kapitan
            I explain.

            Somehow I didn’t think. There is a sense, of course. Due to the local source of ignition, I do not really want to submit a Loch ...
  5. makarov
    makarov 9 November 2013 09: 17
    +5
    But I’m interested in Igor Britanov and the attitude of the current government towards him. Is he justified? I consider this an important issue, and not only for him, but also for generations.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 9 November 2013 17: 43
      +8
      The criminal case was closed, Igor Anatolievich Britanov dismissed from the fleet, now he is alive.
      Captain 1st rank reserve chairman of the board of the regional public fund "Navy Aid Fund", chairman of the Urals Naval Union and the Yekaterinburg club of submariners.

      You can find him -
      http://vk.com/id47764635
  6. Alex 241
    Alex 241 9 November 2013 09: 19
    22
    I served myself, and I consider it the greatest honor to defend my homeland! But for some reason, we have a prevailing opinion that iron is more important than man, and the sword of Damocles was constantly hanging - punishment along the party line. And I would very much like to see and find out the names of the "leaders" who tore off the shoulder straps from a worthy officer, and appointed the last of the dead. As an officer and a man, I bow before the courage of the crew, who died eternal memory!
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 9 November 2013 10: 21
      10
      Quote: Alex 241
      .And I would very much like to see and find out the names of the "figures" who tore off the shoulder straps from a worthy officer, and appointed the most dead

      Shoulder straps were torn off for less ... But the "extreme" is always assigned a commander. And to Britanov, a true officer, bow to the ground and deep gratitude.
      Quote: poccinin
      Americans made a film

      The film, in my opinion, is quite good. The complete opposite of "The Hunt for Red October" and "K-19". The technical details are not important. The author of the film showed the spirit and will of the crew led by their commander.
    2. Old_kapitan
      9 November 2013 18: 10
      +5
      And I would very much like to see and find out the names of the "figures" who tore off the shoulder straps from a worthy officer

      You can safely call the then Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, Fleet Admiral Vladimir Nikolayevich Chernavin. This is his report at a meeting of the commission almost word for word was taken as the basis of the indictment.
      1. coserg 2012
        coserg 2012 9 November 2013 18: 45
        +1
        There were other poop on his part, when he was commander of the Federation Council.
  7. ed65b
    ed65b 9 November 2013 10: 02
    +5
    Everlasting memory. While there are such as the British. Russia live.
  8. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 9 November 2013 11: 36
    0
    So it was with Kursk. Once they found no guilty people, that means they occupy high positions in the Navy. And with links to the mythical Tolledos or until then torpedoes that did not explode, they simply divert attention to the side.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 9 November 2013 12: 35
      +3
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      Since they did not find the guilty, then they occupy high positions in the Navy

      Or it is not profitable to blow up an international scandal. In any case, impotence .... Although the Americans have forgiven part of the external debt
  9. Takashi
    Takashi 9 November 2013 12: 35
    +1
    Unfortunately, this is our Russian reality. Iron is more valuable than people.

    Someone there said: "... I don't mind the soldiers, Russian mothers are still giving birth to ...".

    The "faulty" ship goes on alert - already for this it was possible to deprive half of the headquarters of the shoulder straps.
    1. Ofellon
      Ofellon 9 November 2013 14: 27
      -5
      Zhukov spoke
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 9 November 2013 17: 26
        +2
        Quote: Ofellon
        Zhukov spoke

        Long before him smile
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 9 November 2013 17: 47
          +7
          Quote: lelikas
          Long before him

          This phrase is attributed to Peter the Great; they were said during the inspection of the battlefield after the capture of Narva.
      2. Alex 241
        Alex 241 10 November 2013 00: 35
        +2
        “A story has survived, one of those whose authenticity is difficult to be sure of. 1703 storm of Narva. Before each breach in the wall - piles of corpses - Peter's guards. Peter knew many personally, he was friendly with many. And Peter cried, looking at these still warm piles of the dead. Boris Petrovich Sheremetev came up behind, put his hand on the king’s shoulder. The fifty-year-old caressed the thirty-year-old. “Do not cry, sovereign! What are you! Women will give birth to new women! ""

        However, some believe that these words were said to Peter I by Alexander Menshikov after the battle with the Swedes, and some - that Peter Alekseevich himself said them before the Battle of Poltava.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 10 November 2013 12: 46
          0
          Quote: Alex 241
          However, some believe that these words were said to Peter I by Alexander Menshikov after the battle with the Swedes, and some - that Peter Alekseevich himself said them before the Battle of Poltava.

          - That’s it, but, I confess, I was too lazy to write all this yesterday.
      3. svp67
        svp67 10 November 2013 00: 45
        +3
        Quote: Ofellon
        Zhukov spoke

        To you personally?
    2. pl675
      pl675 9 November 2013 20: 21
      +3
      Quote: Takashi
      Unfortunately, this is our Russian reality. Iron is more valuable than people.

      Someone there said: "... I don't mind the soldiers, Russian mothers are still giving birth to ...".

      The "faulty" ship goes on alert - already for this it was possible to deprive half of the headquarters of the shoulder straps.


      but they didn’t order at the headquarters -
      - there cheeks were significantly puffed up and looked at the portraits of the secretaries of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.
      if you don’t go out of service to perform a combat mission, you sign a sentence to yourself.
      your choice?
      pysy - there are no completely serviceable submarines - this is nonsense, as there are no healthy people - there are "under-examined"
  10. kirpich
    kirpich 9 November 2013 13: 20
    12
    They divorced Srach, but NOBODY remembered the TRUE HERO of the sailor Sergey Preminin.

    ETERNAL GLORY TO YOU SEAFARER !!!
    1. Samy
      Samy 9 November 2013 14: 12
      +7
      I fully join. It is hard to imagine, but he went into the reactor compartment himself, knowing full well that he had no chance of returning, with such a level of radiation and temperature. I take off my headdress and kneel down in front of this guy. Glory to the hero.
      1. pl675
        pl675 10 November 2013 01: 22
        +2
        Quote: Samy
        I fully join. It is hard to imagine, but he went into the reactor compartment himself, knowing full well that he had no chance of returning, with such a level of radiation and temperature. I take off my headdress and kneel down in front of this guy. Glory to the hero.


        This is the direct responsibility of the special hold team.
        there were chances to return, an unfortunate combination of circumstances led to the death of people.
        I bow my head before the dead men.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 10 November 2013 01: 32
          +2
          Quote: pl675
          This is the direct responsibility of the special hold team.
          there were chances to return, an unfortunate combination of circumstances led to the death of people.

          Almost no chance. He just turned out to be the only one of whom was still standing, the rest were already disconnected. It was his second run there ...
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 9 November 2013 19: 11
      +3
      Quote: kirpich
      They divorced Srach, but NOBODY remembered the TRUE HERO of the sailor Sergey Preminin.

      Received a military specialty at the Severodvinsk school of junior specialists.
      In one of the educational buildings there was a modest stand with a photo of the hero and a description of the feat.
      Sergey is the guy who saved the WORLD ...
  11. Savl
    Savl 9 November 2013 14: 06
    +2
    And I advise you to read "Hostile waters". Although written by Amer, it seems honest and easy to read. There is even a real photo there.
  12. Eugeniy_369
    Eugeniy_369 9 November 2013 14: 35
    +2
    "During the check-out before the fatal march, none other than the flagship missile officer of the division headquarters ordered to turn off the alarm" Water in shaft No. 6 "and to organize the discharge of dirty water from the 4th compartment into the tank."
    And who is this wise naval commander?
    1. Old_kapitan
      9 November 2013 17: 30
      +8
      And who is this wise naval commander?

      Unfortunately, I could not even establish the name of this "naval commander". But history has retained a different surname. The fact is that the K-219 only repeated the tragedy of three years ago another submarine - K-429, which sank on March 13, 1983 in Avacha Bay. Then 16 sailors died, the rest through the efforts of the commander, Captain 1st Rank N.M. Suvrov managed to escape. The commander, of course, sat down. But the one who, under the threat of being deprived of his party membership card, drove him out to sea with a "hodgepodge" of 5 !!! crews - division commander N.N. Akayev, soon went up! Ask - what was the need to expel the half-manned crew? There was: one of the boats had to carry out training torpedo firing at enemy submarines, otherwise the combat training plan would have been incomplete. So Suvorov was kicked out to pose as a target. And in the sea, the boy from the seconded to the wrong side turned the closing handle of the ventilation slam and water poured into the boat ...
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 9 November 2013 17: 54
        +7
        Quote: Old_Kapitan
        Ask - and what was the need to kick out the understaffed crew by half? Was: one of the boats needed to carry out training torpedo firing at the enemy submarines, otherwise the combat training plan would be unfulfilled.

        Sermyazhnaya truth of life - and military commanders, having gone to serve in the headquarters, over time begin to "bronze". And choose the least of two evils for yourself. Although I have not heard of a single case when shoulder straps were torn off and kicked out without a pension for disrupting combat training. Alas ... From the headquarters window a slightly different picture is seen than through the eyepiece of the periscope.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 10 November 2013 13: 22
          +1
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          From the staff window, a slightly different picture is seen than in the periscope eyepiece.

          I saw here a video from YouTube, there are two sea wolves on the submarine cabin talking on the phone with someone at headquarters, not at all embarrassed
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 10 November 2013 13: 54
            +3
            Quote: Pilat2009
            two sea wolves on the cabin of the submarine communicate by phone with someone at headquarters, not at all embarrassed

            "... If you want to live, you will not be so hot ..."
            "Peculiarities of the National Hunt".
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 10 November 2013 00: 58
        +4
        Quote: Old_Kapitan
        And in the sea, a guy from the secondment sent to the wrong side turned the closing handle on the ventilation flap and water poured into the boat ...
        It is interesting that since the nuclear submarine sank almost instantly, then ALL the compensating gratings of the reactor remained in the working position, only the AZ system worked. Therefore, even though the reactor initially went out, but as 131 iodine decayed, it gradually came to criticism and ... smoothly started up. Without control, coolant circulation, etc. And since the AZ rods also have considerable negative reactivity (and they are below, all 16), the power was somewhere around 8% of the nominal value. And he threshed little by little, warming the water around the submarine lying on the ground. So the divers who lifted the submarines had to first get into the reactor compartment and manually lower the gratings. And the funniest thing is that according to the results of troubleshooting on the shipyard, the equipment of the 1st circuit and the active zone for replacement and repair were NOT REQUIRED ... request
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 10 November 2013 01: 26
          +2
          Quote: Misantrop
          And the funniest thing is that according to the results of troubleshooting on the shipyard, the equipment of the 1st circuit and the active zone for replacement and repair were NOT REQUIRED.

          Hmm ... they knew how to build. Hopefully now, at least they’re doing worse.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 10 November 2013 01: 28
            +2
            Quote: Russ69
            Hopefully now, at least they’re doing worse.
            As for the installation, it’s better. And more reliable. For the rest I can not say, not my topic request
            1. Russ69
              Russ69 10 November 2013 01: 31
              +2
              Quote: Misantrop
              As for the installation, it’s better. And more reliable.

              It’s good ... At least in nuclear energy, we are on the first roles.
  13. Current 72
    Current 72 9 November 2013 16: 19
    +3
    I'm not a submariner! But I kneel before the heroism of the boat crew! They are at the cost of the life of sailors and commander, saved the boat! I curse that American bitch who amended international law, drowned this boat. Glory to the heroic crew, and eternal memory to those who died at the military post !!!
  14. samoletil18
    samoletil18 9 November 2013 18: 34
    +1
    A deep bow to all Russian submariners who have given their lives, having connected themselves with this dangerous, but also noble work. I express great respect to the commanders who were not afraid for their career, and who fulfilled their duty to the Motherland and subordinates.
    It's a shame that goats are allowed to lead, and they are not asked for their careers, incompetence and dishonesty.
  15. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 9 November 2013 19: 21
    +3
    <<< During the control exit before the fatal march, none other than the flagship missile officer of the division headquarters ordered to turn off the alarm "Water in mine No. 6" and organize the discharge of dirty water into the tank from the 4th compartment. Moreover, according to Alexander Pokrovsky, this mine was damaged already in 1979! the year when its crew went to the K-219 for combat service. >>>
    Eternal glory to the REAL Russian sailors - heroes and eternal memory to the fallen!
    Unfortunately, as in this case, behind the heroism of ordinary people is the CRIME of high bosses who send FACTORY faulty equipment with people on a mission, issuing FACTORY criminal orders and then, after an almost inevitable tragedy, often with human losses, calmly emerging "dry from the water" as if they had nothing to do with it! And these real "heroes" - the culprits of what happened later, even in the event of an investigation, remain unnamed for the public, while the appointed "switchmen" bear the punishment! This situation must be changed! It is within our capabilities and it is necessary for justice to openly name the RATES AND SURNAMES of these figures hiding behind the backs of the "scapegoats" and at least in this way PUNISH them, even though this is too mild "punishment" for human tragedies that happened through their fault! Let the future tyrant leaders know that they cannot hide from human condemnation!
  16. okroshka79
    okroshka79 9 November 2013 20: 44
    +2
    Only not Akayev, but Alkaev, and also Erofeev: A number of experts consider O. Yerofeyev directly involved in the K-429 nuclear submarine accident on June 24, 1983, when under his administrative pressure, a defective submarine with nuclear weapons set sail for training. It is believed that during the investigation of the accident related to the flooding of the submarine and the death of 14 crew members, it could put pressure on witnesses and concealment of evidence. Following the results of the trial, the commander of the K-429 submarine, Captain 1st Rank N. Suvorov, was sentenced to 10 years, while his immediate supervisor O. Erofeev did not suffer any punishment.
    During the service of O. Erofeev at the headquarters of the Northern Fleet, a tragedy occurred with the K-278 Komsomolets nuclear submarine. According to one version, the cause of the accident was an order to exit Komsomolets with an unprepared crew, issued by Rear Admiral Erofeev, the commander of the flotilla. However, not all experts share this version. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%95%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B5%D0%B5%D0%B2,_%D0%9E%
    D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D
    0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 10 November 2013 01: 16
      +6
      Quote: okroshka79
      The cause of the accident was the order to exit Komsomolets with an unprepared crew, given by Rear Admiral Erofeev, the commander of the flotilla. However, not all experts share this version.
      And what is there "to divide or not"? The boat was taken over by the second crew, who lost a significant part of the staff number during training at the training center. In addition, he DIDN'T KNOW the design of the ship and its systems (since this nuclear submarine is not a serial one and there was simply no documentation on it in the TC). Therefore, they rowed on board "from pine forest" from the crews of the new construction brigade in Dvinsk (that is, with ALL other projects). About 60% of the staff. Going to sea with the number of seconded on board more than 10% without retaking tasks is FORBIDDEN, but this requirement was ignored. It is clear that when a fire broke out in the stern, there was simply SOMEONE to competently fight for survivability, although they tried their best. So the ship was doomed ...

      Enough of gouging, alas. I myself was once thrown onto a ship driven into the sea for training. Suddenly, even RB and slippers did not take, and climbed in tunic, trousers and boots all the way out. Not only that, out of 6 full-time NPP operators, only three were available (with me). And they started BOTH sides. The second three operators just a couple of days before that arrived to serve after graduation. Skills - ZERO. The only thing that could be entrusted to them under supervision was to write a logbook on the port side. It was quite funny for 10 days to ride on the sea, sitting the whole shift on ... a table between the control panels of the operators and the steering wheel with both installations at once. Managed, however. And they didn’t even ruin anything ... lol
      1. Old_kapitan
        10 November 2013 12: 49
        +1
        It was quite funny for 10 days to ride on the sea, sitting the whole shift on ... a table between the control panels of the operators and the steering wheel with both installations at once.

        Valera, with me for the first time two KGDU went out to sea, who arrived on the ship only a couple of days before me.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 10 November 2013 14: 13
          +1
          Quote: Old_Kapitan
          two KGDU, who arrived on the ship only a couple of days before me.
          Here are just sitting next to the secondment, ready to insure them. I started it myself. At the same time, as many as 11 young lieutenants came to the crew, every 4th crew officer ... lol
          1. Old_kapitan
            10 November 2013 16: 23
            +1
            We were simultaneously brought into the crew by 11 young lieutenants, each 4 crew officer ..

            Famously! There are 16 of us, but there were few sailors - once, few left, so one turbine player was also taken into secret.
    2. Old_kapitan
      10 November 2013 12: 48
      0
      Only not Akayev, but Alkaev, but also Erofeev
      Yes, Alkaev, sorry - a typo. As for Erofeev - yes, of course, the fleet headquarters could not do without, especially when rigging the causes of the accident. But directly pressure was exerted on Suvorov and threatened to deprive the party membership card all the same his division commander - Alkaev.
  17. rudolff
    rudolff 10 November 2013 01: 45
    +7
    A familiar situation, Misantrop. You’re still lucky if you’ve only been upgraded once. At one time, I was the commander of an electro-navigation group (and then too), like a plug in all holes poked. Not only that, the ship is alien, but the design of the boat is generally unfamiliar and the navigation complex except in casual contact with the school. It was possible to howl.
    And the crew of Komsomolets together with the ship itself was simply sentenced to sea. It was impossible to such a crew, with such training and in such a psychological state to release. Probably not a ride.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 10 November 2013 01: 55
      +4
      Greetings buddy, I remember one quote about submariners: You can live with a clockwork, but living inside a clockwork is very difficult. Something like this.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 10 November 2013 02: 12
      +2
      Quote: rudolff
      if only once they were retrofitted.

      I was lucky in another - that the division had ships of the same project (albeit of different modifications). And there was constant leapfrog with secondments - frankly there were not enough people. There have been cases when a person between autonomies had a temporary gap of several hours, from side to side, like fleas ... sad
  18. rudolff
    rudolff 10 November 2013 02: 03
    +4
    Greetings, Alex! Yes, in principle, you can live in a clockwork, if you know how everything works there, anyway there was no blatant mess and a headache. It’s also fun in aviation, sitting on a rocket with your legs dangling! good
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 10 November 2013 02: 21
      +3
      Quote: rudolff
      you in aviation are also fun, sitting on a rocket with your legs dangling
      Yes, two of them sat down, climbed to the KZD (engine start contacts) with a tester, they can't even be touched with your fingers because of static electricity, they are constantly "muffled" and how many times they fired from guns on the ground ..........
  19. rudolff
    rudolff 10 November 2013 02: 25
    +8
    With Komsomolets generally offensively stupid everything turned out. The ship is unique, one of a kind, respectively, and the training of the crew should have been special and the attitude towards the boat itself is not so disregarding. The boat is essentially an experimental boat. It doesn’t matter where exactly in that ill-fated compartment there was a fire, it developed due to exceeding the oxygen content norm, and the cut-off gas analyzer was simply inoperative and was aware of this even before the ship went to sea. Then in Rubin they shook their hands, it turns out that titanium burns in an oxygen-saturated atmosphere. But the fire could have been eliminated if it had not been for the situation to have been started and the LOC on time. Behind the compartment, television monitoring was provided from the emergency room, but it was also inoperative!
  20. Alex 241
    Alex 241 10 November 2013 02: 34
    +3
    Quote: rudolff
    The ship is unique, one of a kind, respectively, and the training of the crew should have been special and the attitude to the boat itself is not to such an extent
    Remember how we were taught: at all costs.
  21. voliador
    voliador 10 November 2013 02: 40
    +4
    As always, subordinates pay for the ignorance of leadership. And these sailors are heroes, without any pomp.
  22. rudolff
    rudolff 10 November 2013 03: 05
    +6
    Yes, Alex, at all costs ... The sailors did everything they could. And no one was scared. But if you didn’t explain to any person on board, show how to drop these damn rafts of PSN, can you replace knowledge with heroism? Instead of dumping them together with the thermal containers into the water and tearing the launch line, they tried to pull them out of the containers and launched the gas filling system directly onto the deck. Because of such nonsense, bl ... then they froze alive ... But at the headquarters all the papers were in perfect order and with all the signatures! With VSK the same crap. Already in the chamber they studied the instructions for its separation, did not turn on the devices, did not check the latch of the lock of the upper hatch. And then Rubin with this VSK still screwed up. We developed a project for its lifting, deployed the whole operation and the cable broke. Designers are bad! Twice it turns out people gave the sea ...
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 10 November 2013 03: 11
      +2
      Man, you know how many such stories I can tell you. All these commissions, in isolated cases, dig to the real causes of the disaster, if only to cover the backsides.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 10 November 2013 03: 24
        +1
        Crash Mig-31 Khotilovo
    2. Old_kapitan
      10 November 2013 12: 52
      +2
      With VSK the same crap.
      We did not have a VSK, but there was an APU. So, all the time that we went to the seas, it was WITHOUT not working. And everyone knew about it.
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 10 November 2013 14: 08
        +3
        That's right, Captain. These devices / cameras used to be wedged intentionally so as not to lose. By the way, Komsomolets lost VSK at his first dive. Then they searched, lifted and installed back.
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 10 November 2013 14: 14
          +3
          They wedged not only VSK, but also alarm buoys. They were even welded so as not to lose. By the way, in Kursk the ASB was also not open, and even without a key. Therefore, it did not come up.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 10 November 2013 14: 24
            +2
            Greetings, all this is familiar, by the principle of if something did not work out.
            1. rudolff
              rudolff 10 November 2013 14: 37
              +4
              Hello hello So these ASBs regularly lost on campaigns, and then write a bunch of reports, the thing is not cheap! And with VSK just dumb. And suddenly it will separate in stormy weather and with a shift on the navigation bridge!
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 10 November 2013 14: 50
                +3
                It always struck. Constructive flaws at the mercy of the crew.
                1. rudolff
                  rudolff 10 November 2013 14: 52
                  +2
                  Alex, I’ll go down to the end of the branch, it’s buggy from the mobile, answers are not inserted.
  23. rudolff
    rudolff 10 November 2013 03: 24
    +8
    Yes Alex, I know. Britanova boat, Komsomolets, Kursk ... I can’t read calmly about this. None of the real culprits were punished. Many even went for an increase.
  24. Alex 241
    Alex 241 10 November 2013 03: 30
    +2
    Quote: rudolff
    Many even went for an increase.
    Well, what career should be done, remember the events of Kursk: lying like Dygalo. Interesting how to climb the lives of the top? Write off there?
  25. George
    George 10 November 2013 05: 02
    +4
    Thank you for the heroic tragic story.
    The dead is eternal memory.
    Igor Anatolevich health and all the best.
  26. prophet190
    prophet190 10 November 2013 06: 40
    +2
    I have no words. And the boat commander is really a hero.
  27. rudolff
    rudolff 10 November 2013 15: 09
    +4
    Alex, there were so many design jambs in it, but who should I put it on? The same Rubin, the author of Komsomolets and Kursk, is the same state in the state, a monster even by Soviet standards. By the way, the situation is very similar to aviation. In an accident, the interests of three parties collide: the manufacturer, the operator and the crew themselves. Sukhoi, MIG on one side, the Air Force on the other, and several pilot officers on the third. It is not difficult to guess who will most often be to blame in this situation. Also with a boat. TsKB Rubin, Malachite on one, the headquarters of the fleet on the other, and a specific crew as Azazelo, the scapegoat.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 10 November 2013 15: 24
      +2
      And the price of the issue? Human life. We have if it is pinned, if something "holds" pulled, and bones overboard. And on a boat with a locked buoy and a camera, in the sea ..............
  28. Misantrop
    Misantrop 10 November 2013 15: 35
    +3
    Quote: Alex 241
    And in a boat with a buoy and a buoy, in the sea ..............

    You get used to everything ... So they went. And they repaired themselves, mastering from improvised means sometimes SUCH that the designers then rooftops rode. Nothing is in the Atlantic or the Pacific, but in high latitudes, if something doesn’t even come up, the ice will not ....
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 10 November 2013 15: 45
      +6
      Yes, brothers, our entire army is held in the hands and minds of ordinary soldiers and officers.
    2. Old_kapitan
      10 November 2013 16: 42
      +1
      You get used to everything ...
      That is yes. In the summer of 81 only when the ice was broken, it was eerie. And that’s because our (turbinists’s) task was to sit and wait for it to end. In the meantime, they walked under the ice - as in Kiev along Khreshchatyk. smile
  29. Misantrop
    Misantrop 10 November 2013 16: 55
    +2
    Quote: Old_Kapitan
    In the meantime, they walked under the ice - as in Kiev along Khreshchatyk.
    On Khreshchatyk, there are also "unclosed hatches". In our division, the guys broke into the ice 216 m deep. Well at least we were walking at a slow pace ...
    1. Old_kapitan
      10 November 2013 17: 18
      +1
      In our division, the guys at 216 m into the ice ran into the ice. Well, at least in small progress ...
      Ours are also in 85, I don’t remember the tactical, but it seems the crew of Zhuravlev. But then we did not know about such surprises. Although ... Well, what would it change? Here, ice is not needed either: once AZ fell and we dived under 300 with 60. Do not work out the cap and KGDUshniki, hell knows how much we would dive.
  30. moremansf
    moremansf 10 November 2013 17: 24
    +4
    I was fortunate enough to personally meet the commander of K-219 Igor Britanov. A real commander and an officer ... to independently make a decision to ascend off the coast of the United States, for the sake of saving the crew, despite the prohibiting directives of the General Staff of the Navy, is a feat !!! An excerpt from an article by the well-known moraine writer Nikolai Cherkashin "Nuclear crypt in the Sargas Sea": - "The officers' club of the Naval Academy in Anapolis was full. When captain of the 2nd rank of reserve Igor Britanov entered the hall, he was greeted with an ovation. Further words of eyewitnesses:" Americans got up! Everyone stood up! And these were those who all their lives considered Russians to be their enemies, those who commanded aircraft carriers and frigates, hunting submarines, anti-submarine aircraft, defending their country from the Soviet threat, and above all from the depths. But now they were paying tribute to the courage of their worthy adversary, the man who, by his will, saved their coast from a nuclear catastrophe. ”Currently, the chairman of the Sverdlovsk regional fund for patronage of the Russian Navy, is providing effective assistance to veterans of the Navy.
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  31. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 11 November 2013 06: 41
    0
    What about the boat itself? Does it need to be raised, or is it necessary to neutralize something, has something been done or is it planned? The reactor, the warheads, it’s an environmental disaster with a timer, and the timer is ticking. Who is in the courses - share the information.
  32. govoruha-otrok
    govoruha-otrok 11 November 2013 08: 45
    +1
    I am sure I will now "ogreb" from the readers, but I ask you to answer the question: "Did the ship commander know about the malfunction and lack of preparation of the crew?" If he knew why he went to sea in violation of all existing documents, and if he did not know, then this is even worse.

    My question is rhetorical, as they say, I know perfectly well how unprepared ships were expelled both to the base station and from repairs. In order not to be unfounded, I will give an example of the K-92, which came out after a medium repair with a communication complex not handed over; the act was signed by the future hero of the Russian Federation B. "Arctic Admiral" or what is he called there?
    In general, the mess on the Federation Council was incredible, especially in the late 80s and early 90s.
  33. rudolff
    rudolff 11 November 2013 13: 22
    +3
    Govorukha, how do you imagine a commander’s similar refusal? The British commanded not a diesel engine, but a strategist with nuclear weapons on board, and he went not to surrender a term paper to the combat training area, but to a BS to the area where the main weapon could be used. Do not fulfill the order to complete the combat mission? Well, for this, of course, they will not be shot in peacetime, but the tribunal is guaranteed. The order must be executed at all costs. In the case of Britanov’s boat, the headquarters is to blame. The emergency mine, at least, had to be freed from the rocket. No one wanted to take responsibility. It’s necessary to report to the general staff that on a BS minus one missile, such as a weakening of the strategic nuclear forces potential.
    A mess in the fleet, and not only in the North, was, is and probably will be for a long time. At the time of the Union, the KOH among the Americans reached 0,7 and did not fall below 0,5. We did not exceed 0,5. That is, by no means, including "through one place", we could not ensure the presence in the sea at the same time at least half of all our submarines. In fact, much less. Now KOH is 0,05-0,15. That is, sometimes there are periods when there is not a single boat in the sea. Strategists at the DB at the pier.
    As for the commander’s powers ... Most of all annoyed was the presence of the elder on board. The boat seems to be commanded by a commander, but a certain person sits on the GKP, who tells him what to do. By the way, all the main awards following the results of the campaign were to the eldest on board, right up to the star of the hero. The commanders of the warheads were often also senior. Flagship specialists. But from those at least the real benefit was, sometimes invaluable.
  34. Old_kapitan
    12 November 2013 01: 27
    0
    The emergency mine, at least, had to be freed from the rocket. No one wanted to take responsibility. It’s necessary to report to the general staff that on the BS minus one missile, such as a weakening of the strategic nuclear forces potential.

    And given that there already was -1 there - for a while K-219 was already walking with one brewed mine.

    the boat seems to be commanded by a commander, but a certain person sits on the GKP, who tells him what to do. By the way, all the main awards according to the results of the campaign to the eldest on board, up to the star of the hero

    In my "Notes ...", I mentioned "not evil, tychy" one such "providing". How much he drank from the commander, only the cap and the central watch know. Well, we are, according to their stories. And the campaign was not a carrot anyway.
  35. Old_kapitan
    12 November 2013 01: 27
    0
    The emergency mine, at least, had to be freed from the rocket. No one wanted to take responsibility. It’s necessary to report to the general staff that on the BS minus one missile, such as a weakening of the strategic nuclear forces potential.

    And given that there already was -1 there - for a while K-219 was already walking with one brewed mine.

    the boat seems to be commanded by a commander, but a certain person sits on the GKP, who tells him what to do. By the way, all the main awards according to the results of the campaign to the eldest on board, up to the star of the hero

    In my "Notes ...", I mentioned "not evil, tychy" one such "providing". How much he drank from the commander, only the cap and the central watch know. Well, we are, according to their stories. And the campaign was not a carrot anyway.
  36. mine
    mine 19 January 2014 05: 50
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    what the fuck "feat"?!?!?
    the boat was actually drowned personally by Mr. Britanov
    EMNIP KGS БЧ-2 specially went to the gas-filled compartment, for documentation - to show the commander what he was doing ... the man breathed in, but it did not help ...