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China under the blow of the Islamists

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China under the blow of the Islamists

On Wednesday morning, 8 explosions thundered in the Chinese city of Taiyuan (Shanxi Province in the north). The terrorists laid bombs in front of a complex of buildings of the regional party committee of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Responsibility for the terrorist act until no one took.


Explosions thundered in 07: 40 local time near the buildings of the Shanxi Provincial Party Committee of the CPC. The terrorists laid eight improvised explosive devices in decorative flowerpots, which are located along the roadway. According to the law enforcement agencies, in order to enhance the destructive effect, the criminals filled explosive devices with metal balls. As a result of the explosions, one person died, another seven were injured. In addition, about two dozen cars were damaged. The terrorist act occurred shortly before the opening of the plenum of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China (scheduled for November 9-12). At the plenum, several important decisions should be made, in particular, concerning the economic policy of the People’s Republic of China.

So far no one has taken responsibility for the bombings in Shanxi Province. However, experts draw attention to the fact that last Monday in China there was another resonant terrorist attack: in the central square of the Chinese capital, a jeep with numbers of the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region (XUAR) drove into a crowd of tourists at high speed and then ignited. As a result, the driver, his wife and mother (they were in the car) and two tourists - a citizen of the Philippines and a citizen of China died. About forty more people were injured. Responsibility for the attack was placed on separatists from the movement of the Islamic Movement of Eastern Turkestan. This was stated by the secretary of the political-legal commission of the Chinese Communist Party Central Committee Meng Jianzhu.

In fact, it was the first in stories The PRC is the case of an Islamist attack on the Chinese capital. According to Chinese media reports, overseeing public safety issues in the Chinese leadership, Meng Jianzhu spoke at the executive committee of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization's Regional Anti-Terrorist Structure about the terrorist attack in the Chinese capital and called on SCO members to step up the fight against terrorism.

The “Uigur trail” speaks of the affiliation of the five people who were killed in the jeep and those suspected of involvement in the crime - they are all residents of the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region. This is the largest territorial administrative unit of China - 1,7 million km ². The old name of the province is East Turkestan. Over the past years, XUAR has been the most troubled region of China with Tibet. The indigenous people of this province are the Uighurs, who profess Islam. The Uigurs still make up about half of the population of the province, although the policy of "Chinaization" of the region led to the loss of their status as an ethnic majority. In addition, the Uighurs compactly live in the south-west (in the prefectures of Kashgar, Khotan, Kyzylsu-Kyrgyz Autonomous Region and Aksu), where there are about 80%. Han (Chinese) mostly live in the east and in the center of XUAR.

From the history of the region

In the 18th century, the Qing Empire began the conquest of the eastern part of Uiguria. The whole century has become for this region a period of ordeals, occupation, internecine conflicts and uprisings. The troops of the Qing Empire (the Manchu dynasty) actually carried out the genocide and a significant part of the Oirat (Djungar) population was destroyed or fled. The Manchus occupied Dzungaria and East Turkestan, and in 1760, they combined them into a special military administrative unit, the imperial governorship of Xinjiang. Uigurs in the period of the XVIII — XX centuries. made about 400 uprisings. From time to time, the rebels managed to create their own state formations. A major uprising took place in Kumul in 1912 — 1913. The next major uprising in Kumul broke out in 1931. In 1933, the creation of the East Turkestan Islamic Republic was proclaimed. With the support of Moscow, which did not want to create an Islamic state near by itself and the possible penetration of Japan into this region, the East-Turkestan Republic was abolished.

In the 1937 year, the Uighurs rebelled again. The leading force of the uprising was the 6-I Uighur division. Sino-Soviet troops defeated the rebels. During this period, the Celestial Empire went through difficult times and was highly decentralized. The Chinese provinces were led by generals, often subordinate to Beijing only formally. In Xinjiang, General Sheng Shitsai ruled. He has established good contacts with Moscow. Xinjiang even had its own currency with him, and what is interesting, its stability was ensured by the Soviet Gosbank. The USSR had not only geopolitical interests in the region, but also economic ones: by this time large reserves of natural resources (uranium, tungsten, antimony, tin, nickel, tantalum, etc.) were discovered in Xinjiang.

However, with the outbreak of World War II, Governor Sheng Shicai changed his political orientation. It was commonplace for Chinese officials. He went over to the side of the Kuomintang - the Chinese nationalists. Then Moscow decided to support the national liberation movement of the peoples of Eastern Turkestan. In 1941, the uprising was raised by the Kazakhs. Sheng Shitsai again tried to “repaint”, wrote a penitential letter to Stalin, asked to accept Xinjiang as the 18 republic into the Soviet Union (the 16 republic in 1940-1956 was the Karelo-Finnish SSR, the 17 republic was unofficially considered Mongolia ). But he refused. In the meantime, the uprising was gaining momentum.

With the assistance of Soviet intelligence, Azat Tashkilat Freedom Organization of Eastern Turkestan was established in 1943. In 1944, the underground Military Revolutionary Committee, which had its headquarters in the city of Gulja, announced the beginning of an armed uprising. By order of Beria in December 1944, the Department of Special Tasks of the NKVD of the USSR was formed. He was to lead and support the national liberation movement of Muslims of Xinjiang. From local residents formed a group that has passed special training. She was abandoned in Xinjiang. A special group of the NKVD quickly formed guerrilla units. The guerrillas for several days captured all the strategic points of the Ili region. The Chinese garrisons were destroyed and scattered. The Chinese forces that came to the rescue from Urumqi were defeated.

12 November The 1944 of the year in the city of Gulja was solemnly proclaimed the East Turkestan Republic or the Second East Turkestan Republic (VTR). The head of the East Turkestan Republic was the Muslim hierarch Alikhan-Ture. Three of the ten districts of Uiguria — Ili, Tarbagatai, and Altai — entered the republic. In 1945, the National Army of Eastern Turkestan was formed; it was headed by Soviet Major General Ivan Polinov, and was supervised by Major General of the NKVD Vladimir Egnarov. Chief of Staff was General Varsonofy Mozharov.

The East Turkestan Republic had all the possibilities, taking into account the Soviet possibilities, to free all remaining Uiguria districts from the Chinese. But that did not happen. Moscow did not have aggressive plans. And, when representatives of the CPC seized power in China, the fate of the VTR was sealed. Mao Zedong called the revolution in the three districts of Xinjiang part of the Chinese revolution and invited delegates from the VTR to Beijing. The delegation along the way mysteriously died. According to the official version, during the flight through Gobi, the plane crashed and crashed, all passengers and crew died. A new delegation agreed to the entry of the East Turkestan Republic into the PRC. In 1955, the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region was formed as part of the PRC. The Politburo of the CPC Central Committee begins the process of mass resettlement of the Han population to the XUAR.

Despite the serious changes that have occurred in the XUAR over the past decades — the growth of the population’s well-being, a serious change in the region’s ethnic picture — the province remains the most volatile region of China. Many Uighurs do not consider Xinjiang's entry into the PRC as legitimate and support the struggle for the independence of East Turkestan. Conflict between the indigenous population and the Chinese still occurs in the region. Uighurs accuse the authorities of assimilation. The Chinese authorities accuse the Uigurs of separatism and undermining public security. The idea of ​​radical Islam spread among the population. According to Chinese media, only in August 2013 of the year during the anti-terrorist operation in XUAR militants killed 22, more 100 arrested on charges of "spreading the ideas of jihad." In September, 2013 was sentenced in China to the death of three Islamists. Young people have created a "circle of Islamist interests." It all began decently - with reading books of religious content and watching movies, propaganda among peers. It ended sadly - Uighurs armed with knives attacked the police station, the administrative building and the construction site. 24 people were killed, including two policemen and 10 attackers, more than 20 people were injured.

Activation of the terrorist underground in China suggests that China, like Russia, is under attack by the Islamists. Islamic radicals view XUAR as a very important part of the caliphate. The technologies are the same as in Russia: Islamist literature is being abandoned, young people from Xinjiang are going to study in foreign Islamic centers, specialized Internet resources are being created, and there is an active ideological pumping through the “global web”. Young Muslims are trained in camps in the Afghan-Pakistani zone, receive combat experience in Syria. Survivors of the battles are being transferred to China; they have experience in conducting clandestine combat and the manufacture of improvised explosive devices. Thus, China is involved in confrontation with the "Islamic project".
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  1. Warrawar
    Warrawar 7 November 2013 09: 00
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    There is no peace anywhere from them ... in general, "the most peaceful religion."
    1. Dan master
      Dan master 7 November 2013 09: 06
      +6
      The Chinese will not stand on ceremony for a long time, to find out who is praying to which idol Arab or African, there is a fact of terrorism, all idolaters sailed.
      1. Canep
        Canep 7 November 2013 10: 29
        +9
        Quote: Dan Master
        The Chinese will not stand on ceremony for a long time,

        In China, the sect of Jehovah's Witnesses has already been banned, it will not be difficult for them to ban Islam (all), and the leaders of Islam - who will be at a loss, to the zone.
        1. Bezarius
          Bezarius 7 November 2013 10: 55
          0
          Do not confuse the concept. Sects are religious organizations, which are a fragment of another religious organization, and which subsequently separated from the main one due to any disagreement. Si are an independent entity; therefore, they are not a sect.

          In general, I think it's time to ban Islam.
          1. bolonenkov
            bolonenkov 7 November 2013 12: 51
            +1
            Quote: Bezarius
            In general, I think it's time to ban Islam.

            Why not ban you?
            1. Bezarius
              Bezarius 7 November 2013 17: 59
              +1
              On what basis?
            2. catapractic
              catapractic 7 November 2013 20: 34
              +2
              first deal with your Barack Bananich
          2. catapractic
            catapractic 7 November 2013 20: 33
            0
            not a problem. Islam, the Chinese declare a totalitarian sect and ban am
          3. Shur
            Shur 8 November 2013 01: 06
            -1
            But Christianity is not a sect from Judaism? Sorry for ignorance ... in such consecrated times.
        2. fero
          fero 7 November 2013 18: 59
          0
          Chot you all mixed up in a bunch and the so-called sects and dominant religions.
          1. Shur
            Shur 8 November 2013 01: 09
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            All dominant religions are grown sects.
    2. Civil
      Civil 7 November 2013 09: 43
      +2
      It is completely unclear how the Chinese will behave, they will probably come up with some tricky move, they have different ideas about moral rights of people. We will see. I’ll also recall the story of how the Dushmans presented the captured Mi-24 to the Chinese in gratitude for the help to the Afghans.
    3. INTER
      INTER 7 November 2013 09: 48
      +1
      Quote: Warrawar
      There is no peace anywhere from them ... in general, "the most peaceful religion."

      So this is the most peaceful religion, just comments and understanding are different. No religion preaches violence, evil, murder.
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 7 November 2013 10: 14
        +1
        Are you saying this to barbarvara? Yes, he is a Natsik and an Islamophobe, only capable of carrying quotes from the Koran dug up on portals of his kind.
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 7 November 2013 10: 34
          +4
          Quote: Basileus
          Are you saying this to barbarvara? Yes, he is a Natsik and an Islamophobe, only capable of carrying quotes from the Koran dug up on portals of his kind.

          Yes, yes, I am a Natsik and an Islamophobe, and in the meantime, representatives of the "most peaceful religion" are sowing death all over the world ... but they can be understood, they just "misinterpreted the Koran", and also their "agents of the State Department beguiled" ... In general, Islam is the most peaceful religion, and those who do not agree should be killed.
          1. INTER
            INTER 7 November 2013 10: 46
            +4
            Quote: Warrawar
            Yes, yes, I am a Natsik and an Islamophobe, and in the meantime, representatives of the "most peaceful religion" are sowing death all over the world ... but they can be understood, they just "misinterpreted the Koran", and also their "agents of the State Department beguiled" ... In general, Islam is the most peaceful religion, and those who do not agree should be killed.

            The Almighty says: “For this reason we have instructed the sons of Israel: whoever kills a person not for killing or spreading wickedness on earth, as if killed all people, and who preserves life for man, as if to save life for all people. Our messengers have already come to them with clear signs, but many of them after that have crossed the boundaries of what is permitted on earth ”(Sura Trapeza, 32 ayah).
            1. DZ_98_B
              DZ_98_B 7 November 2013 17: 57
              0
              Forgive me, please ... I apologize to all, sons of Israel ... Jews. if a Jew kills a person not for killing or spreading wickedness on earth, he seems to have killed all people. And whoever saves a person’s life, it is as if he will save the life of all people !!!
            2. Shur
              Shur 8 November 2013 01: 21
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              "who will kill a man not for killing or spreading wickedness on earth" An interesting condition. Murder can never be justified. That's the whole story. Humanity will continue to multiply evil by evil until they realize it.
          2. Basileus
            Basileus 7 November 2013 10: 47
            +7
            * Commentary on peaceful Catholics and Protestants from the USA *
        2. Same lech
          Same lech 7 November 2013 10: 39
          +4
          These people profess Islam, but this does not stop them from killing another person.
          In the picture, militants kill a man who does not share their ideas.

          At the words ALLAH AKBAR, such pictures appear in my head and nothing can be done about it.
          1. Basileus
            Basileus 7 November 2013 10: 47
            +7
            Let me post you pictures of drone operators. Or the American Marines. The Americans are a very religious people, oddly enough. And they kill people who do not share their ideas. What is it - they often shoot civilians.
            1. INTER
              INTER 7 November 2013 10: 55
              +2
              Quote: Basileus
              Let me post you pictures of drone operators. Or the American Marines. The Americans are a very religious people, oddly enough. And they kill people who do not share their ideas. What is it - they often shoot civilians.

              And I'll post it.
            2. Warrawar
              Warrawar 7 November 2013 11: 00
              -6
              By the way, fascism is, in fact, the most peaceful ideology in the world, just "Mein Kampf" was misinterpreted.
              1. apostrophe
                apostrophe 7 November 2013 11: 34
                +2
                What are you going to do with the Kazakhs, Tatars? With these Islamic barbarians smile
                1. Thirteenth
                  Thirteenth 7 November 2013 17: 19
                  0
                  Barbarian if in the future your grandchildren return to Islam, what will you do with them
                2. Shur
                  Shur 8 November 2013 01: 41
                  +1
                  Among the Tatars there are Kryashens, to whom the "true" are not very well, to put it mildly. They call to accept Islam. Rather, it is appropriate to name the Bashkirs.
                  1. Basileus
                    Basileus 8 November 2013 07: 43
                    -1
                    Many who treat each other badly. Among Tatars and Bashkirs (I don’t know about the rest), even the word chukyngan - baptized - has a negative connotation. Like Russians, i.e. pagan.
              2. INTER
                INTER 7 November 2013 13: 29
                +3
                Quote: Warrawar
                By the way, fascism is, in fact, the most peaceful ideology in the world, just "Mein Kampf" was misinterpreted.

                Have you read it? Give the facts of the peaceful ideological beginning of this book.
                1. Warrawar
                  Warrawar 7 November 2013 13: 40
                  +4
                  Quote: INTER
                  Have you read it? Give the facts of the peaceful ideological beginning of this book.

                  This is sarcasm, on the topic "Islam is a peaceful religion, and the radicals just misread the Koran."
                  1. INTER
                    INTER 7 November 2013 14: 29
                    +3
                    In order to confirm or refute something, it is necessary to present the facts. Bring! At the expense of the radicals: Today, the activities of the "Islamists" have led to the cautious attitude of Muslims in the entire Christian, Buddhist, Confucian, Taoist world. And few people are interested in the fact that the "religious extremists" themselves and the like only hide behind Islam. In fact, their practical actions contradict the Qur'an.
                    So, most of the radical organizations fighting to create an Islamic caliphate use weapons and terrorist attacks to achieve their goals. This is fundamentally contrary to the holy book of Muslims. The war is permitted only in case of attack by an external enemy. The offensive against other peoples or the seizure of power by force in your state is not welcome. The Prophet Muhammad said: "Where there is violence, there is no Islam." The Qur'an clearly states: “... whoever kills a person not for killing or spreading wickedness on earth, as if killed all people, but who saves a person’s life, it’s as if he will save life for all people (5:32). A new Islamic caliphate was once created by force in the XVIII-XIX centuries, the followers of Muhammad ibn-Abd-al-Wahhab. The latter, as well as the current "Islamic" radicals, believed that it was necessary to return to the pure true Islam, which existed during the time of the Prophet. He, like our contemporaries, has distorted the meaning of the holy book, he fought against Muslim co-religionists, forcing them to forcefully accept their interpretation of the Qur'an, later called Wahhabism. He was not embarrassed by the fact that he enjoyed the support of the British Empire, fought with their weapons and with their support, just like the modern "Islamic" extremists, who today often operate on completely legal conditions in Great Britain and Germany. The Mecca Shariah court of that time recognized the activity of the radicals as contrary to Islamic norms. In response, the Wahhab declared jihad. In 1801 and 1802, the troops of Prince Saud, who supported the Wahhabis, captured the cities of Kerbell and Taif, completely exterminating their inhabitants. At the same time, the grave of the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad - Hussein was desecrated. In 1803, they moved to Mecca. As a result of many years of brutal wars, shrines of Muslims of the whole world were captured and plundered. The graves of the prophet Muhammad, his father Abdullah, mother Aminat, relatives and associates were desecrated. There have been attempts to destroy mosques. Spared only the Kaaba. In addition, attacks were carried out on pilgrims who were killed by thousands only because they adhered to other, more peaceful interpretations of Islam. The use of the terms “radical Islamic groups”, “Muslim terrorists” and similar definitions has no basis. Adherents of such organizations are more correctly called "Islamists", because they only create the image of the champions of Islam, but in reality they go against its norms, destroying it from the inside.
                    1. Warrawar
                      Warrawar 7 November 2013 18: 20
                      0
                      Quote: INTER
                      In order to confirm or refute something, it is necessary to present the facts. Bring! At the expense of the radicals: Today, the activities of the "Islamists" have led to the cautious attitude of Muslims in the entire Christian, Buddhist, Confucian, Taoist world. And few people are interested in the fact that the "religious extremists" themselves and the like only hide behind Islam. In fact, their practical actions contradict the Qur'an

                      The evidence is the endless stream of terror and aggression that emanates from the representatives of this "religion". Not Christians / Buddhists / someone else is doing lawlessness, namely "Islamists" and here is the second question, what is written in the "Koran" and how they interpret and understand it - a fact on the face. Perhaps the reason is not in Islam itself, but in the nations that are subject to it.
                      It is also necessary to clarify the method by which Islam became so widespread ... and these are precisely the wars of conquest, in the first of which the "prophet" himself took part personally:
                      http://www.k-istine.ru/islam/apologia_islam_dushein.htm

                      The number of victims of "the most peaceful religion" is estimated at 270 million:
                      http://welcome2russia.livejournal.com/6044.html

                      Well, stoning, in the 21st century, is a good example of the "peacefulness" of "the most peaceful religion."
                      1. Basileus
                        Basileus 8 November 2013 10: 11
                        0
                        Again. Representatives of a "religion" called Christianity kill hundreds and thousands of people every day. If you do not consider the PMCs' driving around Kabul and Baghdad with shooting at everything that moves, terror and lawlessness, then you are a hypocrite. If you do not consider the shooting of civilians from drones to be such, then you are a hypocrite. You can also continue about bullying in prisons, torture, etc.

                        Well, yes. I would advise you to first understand the issues and, first of all, in your worldview, before embarrassing each commentary.
                      2. Basileus
                        Basileus 8 November 2013 11: 46
                        0
                        This is not to mention that terrorists are marginalized, and the above examples of Americans are normal people.

                        And as for the worldview. Come to Ufa. Or Kazan. Just remember that two of the three around you will be bloody murderers and terrorists who only dream of killing you in the name of Allah.
            3. Basileus
              Basileus 7 November 2013 20: 32
              -1
              Well. You are even like Natsik illiterate.
              1. Warrawar
                Warrawar 7 November 2013 22: 25
                +1
                Quote: Basileus
                Well. You are even like Natsik illiterate.

                You yourself are illiterate.
                1. Basileus
                  Basileus 8 November 2013 10: 05
                  0
                  Well, at least I know how Nazism differs from fascism and what is written in the Qur'an. And you, being a Nazi, do not know the first, and quoting the Quran - the second.
          2. Warrawar
            Warrawar 7 November 2013 11: 05
            +1
            Quote: Basileus
            Let me post you pictures of drone operators. Or the American Marines.

            Are American Marines killing while "Christ is Risen" shouts?
            1. apostrophe
              apostrophe 7 November 2013 11: 35
              +1
              No, to the screams - for democracy and freedom.
              But it is of course very important under what screams to kill peaceful people.
              1. Shur
                Shur 8 November 2013 01: 49
                +2
                Russian children in Chechnya were killed only because they refused to remove the pectoral cross. By the way, peaceful Russians, for example, were chopped off.
          3. Same lech
            Same lech 7 November 2013 13: 51
            0
            Basileus
            I would be grateful if I put it out for this and communicate with people to learn the world as much as possible from all sides.
          4. shpuntik
            shpuntik 7 November 2013 21: 47
            +1
            Basileus RU Today, 10:47 ↑
            The Americans are a very religious people, oddly enough. And they kill people who do not share their ideas.

            Radmir, you do not own the material: the transformation of Orthodoxy into Catholicism, branching into Lutheranism, Protestantism, and the like. How has "papism" discredited itself? Where do indulgences, bonfires, "crusades" come from?
            Isn’t it similar now in Islam, who cultivates it while being away from discussions?
            Here, the majority of believers in the Sha, are well beaten:

          5. Shur
            Shur 8 November 2013 01: 27
            0
            Have you heard some religious statements made by the operators? They are just killers at work and nothing personal. Formally, they can turn out to be of any religion. The real religion of Americans is money and goods with pleasure. It turns out that those at the consoles and these in the photo are FANATIKI. The fanatic is a potential killer, because he has no restrictions on the path to the "bright" goal. Therefore, on both sides there are quite sane people, but apparently they are few.
        3. Warrawar
          Warrawar 7 November 2013 10: 48
          +2
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          At the words ALLAH AKBAR, such pictures appear in my head and nothing can be done about it.

          It looks like you are also a "Natsik and Islamophobe".
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 7 November 2013 13: 53
            +1
            Warrawar It looks like you are also a "Natsik and Islamophobe".

            I will answer mutually LIKE YOU RUSOFOB and rotten LIBERAL.
  2. bolonenkov
    bolonenkov 7 November 2013 12: 51
    0
    the author once again mows with the attraction of religion to crime.
    Especially in the article about "friends" and "aliens"
    1. alone
      alone 7 November 2013 21: 57
      -1
      The author is an ordinary provocator. And it is strange that the editorial board admits articles on the Military Review website where incitement of inter-religious hatred begins, which contradicts the rules of the forum.
  • a52333
    a52333 7 November 2013 09: 05
    +2
    About two months ago I wondered if the Uighurs are keeping quiet. When will states start rocking China? It seems to have begun. Taiwan and Japan ready to connect?
    1. Guun
      Guun 7 November 2013 09: 38
      +4
      Probably Japan has long been connected. I doubt the success of such an action against China - they will not go to jail there. Will be cruel and quick response from the PLA, and without pity. Knowing that they have such a point as the XUAR, they studied all the Chechen campaigns conducted by the Russian Federation and learned a lesson - they repeatedly crushed the Uyghur uprising into bloody mincemeat.
      1. INTER
        INTER 7 November 2013 09: 57
        +3
        Quote: Guun
        Probably Japan has long been connected. I doubt the success of such an action against China - they will not go to jail there. Will be cruel and quick response from the PLA, and without pity. Knowing that they have such a point as the XUAR, they studied all the Chechen campaigns conducted by the Russian Federation and learned a lesson - they repeatedly crushed the Uyghur uprising into bloody mincemeat.

        The answer is China's cooperation with Russia on the Syrian issue! I don’t think that they will manage it and will not stand on ceremony; in practice we see that terror is fanaticism and fearlessness, otherwise how to explain the factor of suicide bombers. And the death penalty in China does not eradicate crime in the country.
        And so I remembered Marx's phrase a genius - and the disgusting laws of capitalism described by him work regardless of whether you recognize them or not - “at 100 percent he violates all human laws, at 300 percent there is no crime that he would not risk, even under penalty of the gallows. " - the clearest proof is our modern society
        1. a52333
          a52333 7 November 2013 10: 36
          +2
          Quote: INTER
          The answer is China's cooperation with Russia on the Syrian issue!
          I don’t think so. This would happen even if China were silent in a rag. The weakening of China (the transfer of the center of gravity of US policy to the Pacific region) was planned long before Syria. Expect an increase in confrontation (provocations) on the Indo-Chinese border, aggravation with Taiwan and the Yap. Well, of course, 5-th column.
          1. INTER
            INTER 7 November 2013 13: 35
            0
            Quote: a52333
            This would happen even if China were silent in a rag.

            Yes, in principle, he was silent until the events unfolded in Ossetia at stake at the Olympics on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX + confrontation with Japan over the issue of islands, further the ban on the import of certain goods into the USA ....... By the way, India does not stand still, arms itself complete. And how in this situation of Russia to remain indifferent is a big question.
            1. a52333
              a52333 7 November 2013 14: 04
              +1
              So it’s good for us, if only they are behind us. Another caveat: the United States can weaken China by the high oil price, and in this version, the Iran vs Saudi war is more than likely.
              1. INTER
                INTER 7 November 2013 14: 35
                +1
                Quote: a52333
                In that case, the Iran vs Saudi war is more than likely.

                The Saudis will not subscribe to this, but they can do it with the wrong hands or money. A high oil price is on hand for us)
                1. a52333
                  a52333 7 November 2013 14: 40
                  0
                  Quote: INTER
                  Saudis will not subscribe to this
                  Clear! that's how
                  under the train. But in conjunction with Israel (and all the attempts on the face) can take a chance + do not forget about the talents of the United States to heat the heat with the wrong hands. it can be a provocation or promises to Iran of preferences (lifting the embargo) = the tools are wide. Iran, guaranteed by US non-interference, will tear them with pleasure. Further - again at the discretion of the United States (analogue of Hussein), you can declare the enemy and finish off, extend the embargo, etc.
  • makarov
    makarov 7 November 2013 09: 06
    +4
    With China, this number will not work. They will find, install, shoot - and all business.
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 7 November 2013 10: 17
      +2
      With all the passes, but not with the PRC? This is not a tiny Chechnya, it is a huge region, a large part of which is occupied by mountains. If the Islamists begin to host there, then Russia will receive another hearth under its belly.
  • ReifA
    ReifA 7 November 2013 09: 21
    +4
    Yes, the whole world is under the blows of the Islamists. Why are they still alive and strike the world, that’s the question ..
  • FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 7 November 2013 09: 25
    +2
    They shouldn’t have contacted the Chinese, these are not Kremlin perduns, they will not chew snot. I remember how the Uighurs tried to go out there, I was just not far away, so the Chinese radically solved this problem "no Uighurs - no problem."
  • Same lech
    Same lech 7 November 2013 09: 35
    0
    Yes, if the Chinese want, they can erase the Uyghurs into powder - so far there is such a sluggish war with unclear consequences.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 7 November 2013 09: 43
    +8
    I had a lot of time to spend in the western part of Xinjiang-Kashgar, Tashkurgan, Yarkend, Turfan.
    Communicated with representatives of all major peoples living there. Kyrgyz and Kazakhs do not support Uyghur nationalism. Tajiks live by themselves, with the exception of a small number of Pamiris, they are completely wild, no one perceives them there at all, drugs go through them. The problem of the Chinese is in their mentality, on the one hand, they help in the development of these wild and semi-wild peoples, on the other hand, they (the Chinese) absolutely cannot find a common language with anyone, since for them there is nothing but "I" and money in the world ... For the Uyghurs, about the same. The last time a stable state among the Uighurs ceased to exist about 700 years ago. Uighurs do not get along with each other, eastern and western.
    According to my observations, the reason for Uyghur extremism is not so much in Islam as in their natural intolerance towards others and cave nationalism. As soon as the Uyghurs are trying to raise a butch, they immediately grab it from the Chinese. Those with them especially do not stand on ceremony.
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 7 November 2013 10: 19
      +2
      The problem here is that religious sprouts can sprout on national soil. Then it will become a real problem. In the meantime, it's just provocations and a relatively sluggish skirmish.
    2. smprofi
      smprofi 7 November 2013 19: 10
      +1
      Quote: Humpty
      The last time a stable state among the Uyghurs ceased to exist 700 years ago.

      Well, why not remember, by the way, the author of the article also kept silent about the fact that in the 60th PLA in full format (tanks, artillery, aviation) walked around the Uighurs? why not remember that the Soviet Union accepted a bunch of refugees into its territory (I don’t remember the number right now, but the order is about a million)?
      The Great Helmsman squeezed Tibet under him - the Dalai Lama is rocking the boat and heating up nationalism.
      The Great Helmsman squeezed Uighurs under him - still alive are those who remember how PLA soldiers shot at them, so they are damned nationalists!

      damn guys! Before scolding someone for nationalism, try to understand the question a bit.
      the Wehrmacht also carried "European culture" and "liberation from Bolshevism" to the USSR.
      terrorism is, of course, not a method! but also increase in welfare in exchange for a rejection of national traditions - would you yourself want something like that?
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 7 November 2013 19: 26
        0
        And, there it turns out. The Chinese freed the Uighurs and Kazakhs from the Mongol enslavement. The Kazakhs did not slaughter the Chinese in response, and the "grateful" Uyghurs slaughtered at the first opportunity. And you are inventing some Chinese tanks that drove over the Uighurs. By the way, quite Soviet tanks rode around the Uighurs at 37. T 26. There was a reason for this. Hitler's accomplice, the Dalai Lama, the leader of cannibals and slave traders, please do not express yourself.
        1. smprofi
          smprofi 7 November 2013 19: 49
          0
          Quote: Humpty
          Ah, there it turns out

          oddly enough - yes.
          Quote: Humpty
          The Chinese freed the Uighurs and Kazakhs from the Mongol enslavement

          when it was? with the now abolished Tatar-Mongol invasion?

          I am not going to whitewash or praise the Uighurs.
          a friend of his father in the exercises in Central Asia faced just these refugees from the PLA. a long story, but it could have ended sadly if there hadn’t been a time sheet PM holstered by Uncle Vova. but this is a completely different story.
          I had a special officer. in the late 30s and early 40s, he was a security advisor to the MPR. also dealt with the Uighurs, such as the Basmachi gangs who raided the Mongolian People's Republic. who managed to calm down with the help of the "maxim" and the three-line, and from whom they simply paid off. By the way, the Uighurs observed the treaty clearly: they said that they would not make raids for N barrels of fire water and M army sheepskin coats for 3 years - they did not.

          Uyghurs want to live their own way - why not? Afghans want to live their own way - should they also be banned?
          and if a "good uncle" comes and tells me that instead of borscht I have to eat a hamburger - so I'll try to him too ... explain where he should go.

          Quote: Humpty
          And here you come up with some Chinese tanks that drove along the Uyghurs.

          now it is somewhat difficult to find the Soviet chronicle. especially films of the USSR Ministry of Defense. try to find at least "And yet I believe ...", the last film by Mikhail Romm (history of the twentieth century), only in the full version, and not "restored" in the 90s - there is this "episode", and in general, Mao's "creativity" is shown enough.
          1. marshes
            marshes 7 November 2013 20: 05
            +1
            Quote: smprofi
            I had a special officer. in the late 30s and early 40s, he was an MPR security adviser. also dealt with Uyghurs, such as the Basmachi gangs, who raided the MPR.

            It was unlikely that they were Uyghurs, they did not hold well in the saddle. Kazakhs and white Cossacks made raids. There was such a person, Ospan Batyr. But until they were 44 years old, they became allies of the USSR, they prepared some of the NKVD near Almaty. True, Stalin later presented the XUAR MAO. After the defeat of the WTR, all the leaders moved to the USSR, of course there were refugees.
            If you were in Mongolia during the Soviet era, you were probably not recommended to stay overnight in the villages where the Cossacks lived, mainly descendants of Annekovtsi.
            1. smprofi
              smprofi 7 November 2013 20: 16
              0
              Quote: marshes
              It was unlikely that they were Uighurs

              Well, as Grandfather Pakhom told (and he did not observe senility) he conveyed it. he talked about Bandera (at the end of the war in Western Ukraine he put things in order), but he did not mention about whites in Mongolia. may not have met.
              1. marshes
                marshes 7 November 2013 20: 25
                +2
                Quote: smprofi
                may not have met.

                But we still don't know a lot. That not a few Uyghurs graduated from the KGB high school in Moscow, some of them completed their studies in Almaty in the Kazakhfilm area, okay, Apple Garden. In the event of a war with China, they were considered an Ally.
                The whites were there, but they didn’t fall under repressions, those who immigrated to Australia, who returned to their homeland, under Khrushchev and Brezhnev, now if there are units, they may have been assimilated, by the way, it’s not bad there, rise.
                1. smprofi
                  smprofi 7 November 2013 20: 36
                  0
                  Quote: marshes
                  But we still don’t know much.

                  as far as I understand that you are from Kazakhstan?
                  He worked with a man who served in Kazakhstan in the 50s. part of them from Ukraine was transferred to the steppe, they were building the All-Union Emba missile range (well then it became so called, Baikonur is one of the sites).
                  so this man recalled that some tribes roamed the Kazakh steppes in those places, who had a deep drum on the Soviet regime or that the emperor was on the throne. they have been wandering there for centuries.
                  And so, either some kind of conflict came out, or the nomads did not like the "outsiders", but they cut out one point (either a platoon, or a company). everyone. the regiment commander (he and not only he, but also many officers went through the Patriotic War) did not complain and call Moscow. just found that tribe and ... under the machine gun of all males who are above the axis of the cart. after that, there were no problems with the "local population" in the steppes.
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 7 November 2013 21: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: smprofi
                    He worked with a man who served in Kazakhstan in the 50s. part of them from Ukraine was transferred to the steppe, they were building the All-Union Emba missile range (well then it became so called, Baikonur is one of the sites).

                    Emba-5 is an air defense ground in the Aktobe region.

                    Quote: smprofi
                    so this man recalled that some tribes roamed the Kazakh steppes in those places, who had a deep drum on the Soviet regime or that the emperor was on the throne. they have been wandering there for centuries.

                    There were no such tribes; there were few Kazakhs left after the famine.
                    Quote: smprofi
                    And so, either some kind of conflict came out, or the nomads did not like the "outsiders", but they cut out one point (either a platoon, or a company). everyone. the regiment commander (he and not only he, but also many officers went through the Patriotic War) did not complain and call Moscow. just found that tribe and ... under the machine gun of all males who are above the axis of the cart. after that, there were no problems with the "local population" in the steppes.

                    In the Hungry Steppe, guests will be surprised at the hospitality of the Kazakh, if we do not feed, we will not let go. smile
                    1. smprofi
                      smprofi 7 November 2013 21: 20
                      +1
                      Quote: marshes
                      Emba-5 is an air defense ground in the Aktobe region.

                      and Emba-27 - then what? laughing
                      KapYar - the beginning of "Emba", then a sector in the steppe of Kazakhstan.
                      there were tested and then there were training shots of practically all the missile weapons of the USSR, not only air defense, but also ground-to-ground and air-to-ground.
                      This is true. for reference

                      about the tribes in the steppes of Kazakhstan - for what I bought, for that I sold it. the man who told me that for 7 years of acquaintance in the art whistle was not seen.
                      1. marshes
                        marshes 7 November 2013 21: 30
                        +2
                        Quote: smprofi
                        about the tribes in the steppes of Kazakhstan - for what I bought, for that I sold it. the man who told me that for 7 years of acquaintance in the art whistle was not seen.

                        Well, these are the stories we have been hearing for a long time, you can hear the horrors before the fig. smile
                        There’s a fat Zhirik, but at that time there were less than 30% of Kazakhs in the city, a residence permit no matter how the city was, a village. And he went to school near the KGB of the KAZSSR, across the road. smile
                      2. smprofi
                        smprofi 7 November 2013 22: 42
                        +1
                        expensive marshes, to me zhirik is not a decree. indiscriminately hate all Kazakhs, I also can’t do it. especially since there was a time when he was "friends" with a Kazakh woman.
                        but what he said, he said.
        2. Humpty
          Humpty 7 November 2013 20: 34
          0
          when it was?
          In 1756 year.
          1. smprofi
            smprofi 7 November 2013 20: 52
            0
            Quote: Humpty
            В 1756 year.

            in the 70s, my uncle was building a plant in Afghanistan. Shuravi were the best friends, they were welcomed everywhere with joy. the "Russians" traveled around Afghanistan wherever they wanted and how they wanted without any protection. and nobody was stolen, nobody was killed.
            what happened after the revolution and the deployment of troops - you yourself know.
            one of my teachers in 81-83 years taught at the Kabul University. I went into the audience, read a lecture, holding my finger on the trigger of the pistol (I specially picked up a lady's handbag that allowed me to do this). because the "competent authorities" explained to them that "your safety is in your hands" and they were given service weapons. to all Soviet specialists who were working in Afghanistan at that time.

            What will we still remember?

            and, for that matter, do the Hunhuz remember what happened in 1756, and should the Uighurs forget what happened in the 60s, less than 70 years ago?
            interesting logic ...
  • Shur
    Shur 8 November 2013 02: 02
    0
    This cave nationalism helped them to survive as a nation. Defensive reaction. Good or bad, but it is. Turks also destroyed the Armenians, now they do not recognize.
  • apostrophe
    apostrophe 7 November 2013 09: 44
    +2
    What comfortable guys are these Islamists, now in Syria, now in the North Caucasus, now in China. Another greetings from overseas smile
  • Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 7 November 2013 09: 45
    0
    Pseudo .., pseudo-Islamists.
  • Migari
    Migari 7 November 2013 09: 52
    0
    I did not expect that this will happen in China, but no one took responsibility, because they know the execution.
  • Daler
    Daler 7 November 2013 09: 56
    +6
    Article title -China under the blow of the Islamists

    Farther.. -No one has yet taken responsibility for the terrorist act.

    Posted by Wang.
  • fisherman
    fisherman 7 November 2013 10: 08
    +1
    thanks for the excursion into history
    1. smprofi
      smprofi 7 November 2013 18: 53
      0
      an excursion with distortion
  • Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 7 November 2013 11: 33
    +4
    why not the Uyghurs kill the Chinese? are there any other ways to fight for independence?
    you don’t just need this hat about Islamism and the caliphate, no one is building any caliphate, neither the Taliban, nor the march, nor the IDT, nor even al-Qaeda. there are no applicants for the role of the caliph, maybe I missed something and one of the seyids and sheriffs stated their claims for this position? there was no such thing. These fictions are intended for the townsfolk in whose brain Iran and Turkey are Arab countries, while the Chinese and Koreans understand each other, because they are narrow-eyed. all the current Muslim terrorist cooperation is nothing more than an analogue of communist cooperation in the 20th century, well, help each other, around the world, but no world state is planned, this is nonsense.
    as for the Uighurs, and indeed the indigenous people of eastern Turkestan, at present the only way to fight occupation and assimilation is terror, if the Uighurs had tanks, bombers and ballistic missiles they wouldn’t have to blow up cars (no one would call a terrorist bomber pilot, even if the whole city block is unraveling).
    in the current situation, the Uigurs have almost nothing to lose, the options are either a prison of peoples (PRC) and the situation of second-class people, or emigration, only 10 million will not leave for emigration, respectively, the confrontation with the invaders will only intensify and any help will be accepted - at least from the Taliban, even from the Japanese, without any regard for religious affiliation.
    1. catapractic
      catapractic 8 November 2013 00: 58
      +1
      I don’t care, for example, about the glorious Uyghur people and their unequal struggle with the Han people. my country (then the USSR) refused geopolitical influence in this region — immediately after the liquidation of the WTR, it was transferred to Mao (it was done correctly or not, it isn’t for me to judge), however, given that the Uyghur nationalists rely on al-Qaeda in their struggle against Beijing, one can do conclusion that China and we have a common enemy, but as you know the enemy of my enemy ... although temporary
  • Semurg
    Semurg 7 November 2013 12: 09
    +2
    Altai, Tarbagatai, Ili region, as I understand it, Kazakhs and not Uyghurs, Uyghurs live south. Alikhan-tore genghis the prefix tore are descendants of Genghis Khan.
  • Semurg
    Semurg 7 November 2013 12: 09
    +1
    Altai, Tarbagatai, Ili district, as I understand it, Kazakhs and not Uyghurs, Uyghurs live south. Alikhan-tore genghis the prefix tore are descendants of Genghis Khan.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 7 November 2013 14: 35
      0
      The Kazakhs, of course, mainly live there, in theory you know that. But now almost everywhere in Xinjiang, including the former Russian province of Ili, the predominant population is Chinese.
      1. marshes
        marshes 7 November 2013 17: 02
        0
        Quote: Humpty
        The Kazakhs, of course, mainly live there, in theory you know that. But now almost everywhere in Xinjiang, including the former Russian province of Ili, the predominant population is Chinese.

        There are no more than 40% of the Han people there, and that’s the tendency to get over there. There are new cities without residents in there and in Inner Mongolia, there are photos on the network, do not be too lazy to look. But in the Northeastern provinces there are more than 100 lemons.
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 7 November 2013 18: 00
          0
          The number of Chinese in the Ili region is proportional to the water level in Ili, where in the delta small lakes began to turn into salt marshes and swamps. Sincerely .
          1. marshes
            marshes 7 November 2013 18: 15
            0
            Quote: Humpty
            The number of Chinese in the Ili region is proportional to the water level in Ili, where in the delta small lakes began to turn into salt marshes and swamps.

            Well, this year it’s normal on Ili, last year there was a problem, it was a bit hot, but about the pier requested in FIG, the marina was demolished. Like a hacienda. smile
  • Federal
    Federal 7 November 2013 12: 31
    +1
    what happens to the Uighurs is the beginning of the replenishment, no doubt comes from the Saudis or the Emirates, approval from overseas and, in principle, it is beneficial to all States, the Russian Federation and Kazakhs, all but the Chinese, but since the enemy of your enemy is different, in principle their problems are a lever pressure on the impudent red comrades, good news
    1. Shur
      Shur 8 November 2013 02: 21
      0
      A strange way of looking at things. If you get fired up, you can also get it, because Europe, where to strive so much in Ukraine, very quickly "turns green". I do not think that it is in the interests of others. Incidentally, this is a strange omen, many Muslim believers notice the wives of Ukrainian girls .. Apparently they like them more than their own.
  • George
    George 7 November 2013 12: 36
    0
    No one has yet taken responsibility for the terrorist act.

    Maybe that's why they are not in a hurry? And then you never know ... they will not babysit. what
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  • DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 7 November 2013 13: 12
    0
    Good Americans, reeling in fishing rods from the east of the near and dragging a canister with napalm to the far east. This is only the beginning, and not the flowers, so ... grope the current.
  • Samy
    Samy 7 November 2013 13: 44
    +2
    Good Americans here, most likely nothing to do with. Their influence should not be exaggerated, especially in such a closed and controlled region as Xinjiang. Any foreigner who tries to go there trying to at least do something will thunder in a Chinese jail for a very long time. The Internet in China is also controlled far and wide. The Uighurs have enough of their foolishness in their heads, this does not need to be prompted. One must be either a complete idiot or a complete fanatic in order to send his mother and his wife to the next world.
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 7 November 2013 22: 33
      +1
      Samy CN Today, 13:44 PM
      Good Americans here, most likely nothing to do with. Their influence should not be exaggerated, especially in such a closed and controlled region as Xinjiang.

      If hundreds of billions of investments come to China from the ShA, the EU, do you really think that you need to penetrate somewhere? It’s just that China’s elite is monolithic, but for now. When the Communist Party regime collapses, a new Hitler will appear and go north. No pacts will save.

      There is a lot of information and noise about the confrontation between China and the Sha, but China is helped by technology, and is armed to march to the north. This is the first thing that Elzin’s comprador government has done. Well, and whom he brought by the handle of the labor market, we know.
      If Hitler could not force the English Channel, gave the British the opportunity to retreat, then it is all the more stupid to believe that the Pacific Ocean will be forced.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 7 November 2013 14: 10
    +3
    The Uyghurs were stunned, they began to relocate the Chinese there and the Uyghurs are no longer the majority in their homeland, they are trying to assimilate, the Uyshurs are still to blame and Islam has been dragged here.
  • marshes
    marshes 7 November 2013 16: 57
    +3
    It is not a fact that the latest explosions were carried out by IPVT, in China even before the figs of patients on the head of people. Moreover, in the north it may be followers of Manju Guo.
    Autumn schizoid activated.
  • Savva30
    Savva30 7 November 2013 20: 39
    0
    Somewhere "color revolutions" are being rolled out, while here and in China a "radical Islamic scenario" is being played out. I think everyone knows the puppeteers ... they will soon start calling to sit down at the negotiating table with terrorists, oh, I apologize to the opposition ...
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 7 November 2013 20: 49
    0
    all the same, it’s interesting how Muslims relate to people who do not share their religious beliefs? for example, I have already been sentenced to death within a month, 3 weeks have passed, how should I relate to Muslims after that?
  • igorelo
    igorelo 7 November 2013 22: 05
    0
    Quote: Warrawar
    There is no peace anywhere from them ... in general, "the most peaceful religion."

    Not just a "peaceful" but also a "world religion of truth", so it turns out that for them the truth lies in the destruction of the peaceful non-Muslim population of different countries, and so the price of such a religion
    1. Shur
      Shur 8 November 2013 02: 28
      0
      There are 72 different currents, it is necessary to highlight who exactly calls. Many also suffer from "true" ones. They really believe in what they do. This state of affairs plays into the hands of the "great civilizers". They let the genie out of the bottle, now we need to feed him. But it seems to me that after all the attempts and considerable blood in Asia, Russia, the Middle East, Africa, they will feed Europe, or rather eat it without millet from the inside, like cheese to mice.
  • Firebox
    Firebox 8 November 2013 01: 10
    -1
    what can I say ... the stupidity of commenting people just rolls over and yes, Islam is the religion of the world in the sacred book that it is extremely forbidden to kill, and extremists and various Arab organizations do this, their followers are thoroughly brainwashed
    1. catapractic
      catapractic 8 November 2013 01: 18
      0
      no, my friend, just Islam entered the period of reformation, characteristic of Europe of 16-17 centuries with wars, Salafis instead of Puritans, religious intolerance and there will still be its own Bartholomew’s night and there will not be any bonfires of heretics. Well, after 100 years, the surviving Muslims will scratch their turnips for a long time, why the hell did they start all this, we already passed it, it was their turn.
  • Dimitri
    Dimitri 8 November 2013 03: 53
    0
    Sad as it may be, they will have to return to their origins and remind the seekers of “spirituality” in religion, than it has always and everywhere been a powerful state-forming factor. And a state that allows freedom of religion on its territory, in fact, allows freedom of state formation within its own borders.
  • Samy
    Samy 8 November 2013 04: 40
    0
    Quote: shpuntik
    If hundreds of billions of investments come to China from the ShA, the EU, do you really think that you need to penetrate somewhere?


    Yes, they are coming and what? These investments go to the Chinese economy and to Chinese companies. How will they get to a simple Uyghur or his "mentor", will the Chinese themselves pay them so that they (the Chinese) will blow up?
  • Viator
    Viator 8 November 2013 06: 54
    0
    In fact, the "Turkestanis" never calmed down - in the XUAR, especially in the historical Uyghur centers like Kashgar or Turpan, terrorist attacks and minor interethnic clashes occur regularly, but they rarely went outside the region ... Maybe they, so to speak, "cook public opinion "to something.