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Just three of our cruisers - in the Mediterranean

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Just three of our cruisers - in the Mediterranean

On Saturday, the flagship of the Pacific went to the Mediterranean Sea fleet missile cruiser Varyag. He will have to lead the combined group of ships, which are constantly on duty in this region.


On Friday, Gibraltar crossed the flagship of the Northern Fleet TARKR "Peter the Great". Also there is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet cruiser "Moscow", which is already in the march 4 month.

In addition, in the Mediterranean are: patrol ships "Sharp-witted" and "Fearless", large landing ships "Azov", "Alexander Shabalin", "Minsk", "Novocherkassk" and "Yamal".

Thus, today in this area of ​​the World Ocean the most serious forces of our fleet are concentrated lately.

About the possible reasons for such a concentration of Russian naval power in the Mediterranean - in the coming days.
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  1. rrrd
    rrrd 5 November 2013 11: 58 New
    23
    the news is good.
    1. Civil
      Civil 5 November 2013 12: 00 New
      23
      Let's see how we can cope with the supply, oh no matter the aircraft carrier ...
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 5 November 2013 12: 09 New
        +5
        Quote: Civil
        oh no matter the aircraft carrier ...

        Oh, poor Kuzya. Both here and there they pull him. When will he come up with such things to do with modernization? Already straight interesting!
      2. Very old
        Very old 5 November 2013 12: 52 New
        15
        Needed! In the most applicable way! And at the forum another discussion was raised: is the AUG really necessary for Russia? Necessary. Of course, long and costly, but how without it
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 5 November 2013 14: 34 New
          +8
          Well, Kuzya will come there - so what? There will be at least 2-3 US aircraft carriers !!! All the same, NATO has an overwhelming advantage there over the Russian grouping + plus around one NATO base ... Russia urgently needs an effective and relatively inexpensive counter-aggression by a potential adversary !!! At least a new class of hypersonic missiles ...
          While in Russia there will be a modern AUG Assad and so will survive to old age and die his death :)))
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 5 November 2013 14: 54 New
            24
            Quote: Selevc
            Well, Kuzya will come there - so what? There will be at least 2-3 US aircraft carrier !!!


            Well, which of these aircraft carriers would be the first to get on board a couple of anti-ship missiles?
            1. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 5 November 2013 21: 50 New
              0
              Quote: Botanologist
              Quote: Selevc
              Well, Kuzya will come there - so what? There will be at least 2-3 US aircraft carrier !!!


              Well, which of these aircraft carriers would be the first to get on board a couple of anti-ship missiles?

              Do not fly in the clouds. What do you think the Americans are? Do not be mistaken.
              1. mixxlll
                mixxlll 5 November 2013 21: 59 New
                0
                Fear of the wolves not to go to the forest, and Kuzya + air defense of the ships is probably enough to approach the launch distance, and then goodbye AUG.
                1. pr 627
                  pr 627 6 November 2013 10: 25 New
                  +4
                  And "Kuzya" is also a big target, how can you not understand this! And cruisers too. The fifth operational squadron of the USSR Navy in the Mediterranean could withstand the 6th US fleet for 2-3 days, and its capabilities were much higher. It's bad to be brave and at the same time poorly informed.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 6 November 2013 18: 59 New
                    +1
                    Quote: pr 627
                    And "Kuzya" is also a big target, how can you not understand this! And cruisers too. The fifth operational squadron of the USSR Navy in the Mediterranean could withstand the 6th US fleet for 2-3 days, and its capabilities were much higher. It's bad to be brave and at the same time poorly informed.


                    justify those
          2. 77bob1973
            77bob1973 5 November 2013 15: 46 New
            10
            There are no American aircraft carriers there, and they are unlikely to appear in such numbers (2-3).
          3. ramzes1776
            ramzes1776 5 November 2013 17: 28 New
            +6
            Quote: Selevc
            Russia urgently needs an effective and relatively inexpensive countermeasure against a potential adversary’s ACG !!!

            And what does "Granite" do not suit you ??? Nothing like this is better than anyone else!
            1. Selevc
              Selevc 5 November 2013 23: 02 New
              +8
              So if Russia has the best weapon in the world against the Aircraft Carriers ... Why then even create AUGs?
              Solid cons with dubious advantages - colossal money for construction and maintenance, little experience, huge financial strain for the state, a very long creation process, no developed infrastructure for repair and support, Russia's shipbuilding capacities are already overloaded with the construction of other ships ... And the main disadvantage is Russia will still not catch up in the foreseeable future with the "sea powers" - which have all of the above ... And even the presence of AUG does not give any guarantee of its effectiveness in a collision with a serious adversary - since there is simply no such world experience of using AUG over the past 60 years ...
              I think it’s better and cheaper to concentrate on building frigate, corvette and missile cruiser class ships !!!
              I would like to hope that Russia will find its own very peculiar way of confronting the superiority of potential opponents at sea and this will once again surprise the whole world and not stupidly engage in a meaningless aircraft carrier race ...
              1. Semen Semyonitch
                Semen Semyonitch 6 November 2013 00: 39 New
                +5
                I also believe that these tugriks should be invested in the modernization and re-equipment of the Navy. By the time we, hypothetically, have the first capable AUG, it may no longer be needed. But a couple of dozen of the newest destroyers and cruisers, plus the Mistrals and a dozen of quiet diesel submarines are a worthy answer to Chamberlain ...
              2. GDP
                GDP 6 November 2013 11: 44 New
                +2
                Full-fledged AUG Rossi are not needed, too fat and costly, but a couple of aircraft-carrying cruisers are still needed (1 in the north and 1 in the Pacific), a kind of long arm in the missile fleet. Their mere presence will force the tactics of a potential adversary to change ...
                But in general, bet should be placed on medium-sized vessels equipped with powerful supersonic anti-ship missiles and fruit boats.
            2. lucidlook
              lucidlook 9 November 2013 21: 19 New
              -1
              Quote: ramzes1776
              And what does "Granite" do not suit you ???

              Not the P-700 itself is not happy, but the fact that there is no way to apply it against modern AUGs. Which is not surprising, because it was developed with an eye on the previous generation. And the realities of the modern Russian Navy are such that it’s impossible to use it effectively. First of all, because for such an application it is necessary to obtain accurate target designation. After all, a rocket shoots as much as 600 km. In this case, the flight time will be approximately 40-50 minutes. Even if we assume that the AUG, being in full combat readiness, waiting for a missile attack, will allow itself to be detected if it is assumed that they will not use ANY means of destruction or electronic warfare against our naval intelligence scouts (which, by the way?), At that time while the P-700s fly up, the order will go 40-50 km and disperse in the best way for itself. Well, we should not, of course, forget about AEGIS, which is imprisoned for the destruction of high-speed high-speed targets, which include, among other things, the P-700 control missile, if it happens during a volley launch.

              Of course, the chance to hit AUG remains, but I would not call it either 100 percent, or even 50/50. This, of course, is my personal (erroneous :) opinion.

              Quote: ramzes1776
              Nobody has done anything like this yet !!!

              Doubtful argument.
          4. varov14
            varov14 5 November 2013 18: 10 New
            0
            "Russia desperately needs effective and relatively inexpensive counteraction" --- And that there is nothing at all, or we do everything in one unit.
            1. lucidlook
              lucidlook 9 November 2013 21: 24 New
              0
              Quote: varov14
              And that there really is nothing at all, or we do everything in one unit.

              There is. In theory, there is. P-800 "Onyx" (which is "Yakhont") and 3M-54 "Caliber". In practice, for obvious reasons, no one checked.
          5. Фокус
            Фокус 5 November 2013 19: 08 New
            +4
            The only thing I agree with you is the presence of a large number of bases in this region, this is of course a serious danger to our ships, at the same time, even if there are 5 aircraft carriers, they will not dare to fight ships that are "sharpened" to fight them.
          6. Simon
            Simon 5 November 2013 21: 34 New
            +3
            The United States can only pick on weak states, and even then with the whole European crowd, and if they know what they will get by the teeth, they will wind up, even if they are overwhelmingly. hi
          7. vezunchik
            vezunchik 6 November 2013 01: 54 New
            0
            and what really scare the Russians ???
        2. varov14
          varov14 5 November 2013 17: 57 New
          -2
          "long and expensive" --- Is it fast and not very expensive?
          1. Skiff-2
            Skiff-2 5 November 2013 19: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: varov14
            "long and expensive" --- Is it fast and not very expensive?

            "Club-K" on several civilian small and inconspicuous vessels in sea containers, much cheaper and more practical - a supersonic warhead to the side from an ordinary trawler ...
        3. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 5 November 2013 19: 29 New
          +1
          TAVKR Kuznetsov is good in Middle-earth only in peacetime. Even he is unable to maneuver with moves, plus poor crew training due to the ongoing personnel leapfrog.
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 6 November 2013 03: 19 New
            0
            Quote: gunnerminer
            TAVKR Kuznetsov is good in Middle-earth only in peacetime. Even he is unable to maneuver with moves, plus poor crew training due to the ongoing personnel leapfrog.

            On Kuz, already the majority, like contract soldiers.
            1. gunnerminer
              gunnerminer 6 November 2013 03: 34 New
              0
              Quote: Russ69
              Quote: gunnerminer
              TAVKR Kuznetsov is good in Middle-earth only in peacetime. Even he is unable to maneuver with moves, plus poor crew training due to the ongoing personnel leapfrog.

              On Kuz, already the majority, like contract soldiers.



              Contractors are also dismissed on the basis of the NUK (non-fulfillment of the contract), due to illness and length of service (very rare personnel who accidentally survived). Before the transfer of the entire rank and staff of the TAVKR crew, it is still not as close as planned. The fact of signing the contract and dressing from uniform to the jacket does not turn a recent conscript into a trained classroom specialist in one night.
        4. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 5 November 2013 23: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: Old very
          Needed! In the most applicable way! And at the forum another discussion was raised: is the AUG really necessary for Russia? Necessary. Of course, long and costly, but how without it

          yeah, and instead of DBK drowning enemy AUGs, they will intensely defend our ...
          great, damn the idea ...
          AUG - weapons of attack on land ... are you going to bomb Italy or Spain in the Mediterranean?
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 6 November 2013 00: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: DanaF1
            AUG - weapons of attack on land ...

            This is a misconception, in a U.S. attack in recent years, ground-based aviation has been the main force. AUG is the weapon of naval warfare precisely where coastal aviation does not reach them.
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 6 November 2013 09: 38 New
              0
              and who has the USA attacked recently?
              maybe on sea caravans? no, on the territory of land-based states, and the AOG can only deliver a primary strike ...
              spending billions of dollars on a primary strike is stupid, because the same effect can be achieved with cruise missiles (well, if you really want to bomb the Papuans) ...

              but the AUGs were not used in the sea simply because there is nowhere to use them ... to drown enemy ships is much more convenient with the help of DBK, rather than carrier-based aircraft ...
          2. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 6 November 2013 00: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: DanaF1
            Quote: Old very
            Needed! In the most applicable way! And at the forum another discussion was raised: is the AUG really necessary for Russia? Necessary. Of course, long and costly, but how without it

            yeah, and instead of DBK drowning enemy AUGs, they will intensely defend our ...
            great, damn the idea ...
            AUG - weapons of attack on land ... are you going to bomb Italy or Spain in the Mediterranean?



            And only? It is very primitive for AUG. Such a narrow circle of tasks to be solved, with such forces.
          3. In the reeds
            In the reeds 6 November 2013 11: 41 New
            0
            Well, first of all, this is a military presence, a demonstration of the flag, to cool hotheads. The Varangian looks very good. AUG may lift planes quickly, but then they need to be planted somewhere. Launched rockets and let the goalkeeper catch
            1. gunnerminer
              gunnerminer 6 November 2013 11: 54 New
              -1
              Quote: In the reeds
              Well, first of all, this is a military presence, a demonstration of the flag, to cool hotheads. The Varangian looks very good. AUG may lift planes quickly, but then they need to be planted somewhere. Launched rockets and let the goalkeeper catch


              The combat mission is to inflict such damage on the aircraft carrier so that it does not raise the aircraft; for this there is no need to destroy it, a roll of more than five degrees is enough. The aircraft will land on coastal airfields. If the aircraft takes off and the aircraft carrier is even destroyed, the combat mission is considered to be disrupted.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 5 November 2013 13: 40 New
        22
        About the possible reasons for such a concentration of Russian naval power in the Mediterranean - in the coming days. belay belay belay
        It sounds like I involuntarily looked at the secretary, where my soldier lies laughing
      4. Mitek
        Mitek 5 November 2013 17: 18 New
        +3
        It seems the main game against Syria (and in fact against Russia) is just beginning ...
      5. GSH-18
        GSH-18 6 November 2013 12: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Civil
        Let's see how we can cope with the supply, oh no matter the aircraft carrier ...

        To them would be a dozen more destroyers, and then THEN-aircraft carrier! Which we don’t have yet (but I really want it to appear already!) And the Amers, in the Middle East, had TWO until recently, naturally, with the ship groups ..
        Three cruisers against two AUG, to put it mildly, not a lot. And there, besides amers, other "players" are also present.
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 5 November 2013 12: 34 New
      13
      Yesterday picture "Peter the Great" laid out. And here is the Missile Cruiser "Moscow"

      to enlarge with the right mouse button on the image and click open.



      Main characteristics
      Displacement 11 t
      Xnumx length m
      20,8 width m
      42,5 height m
      Draft 8,4 m
      Engines gas turbine installation, 4 × 22 500 l. S., 2 × 10 000 liters. from.
      Power afterburners 4 × 22 500 l. marching 2 × 10 000 liters. from.
      Mover 2
      Speed ​​32 knots (full)
      16 Knots (Economic)
      Cruising range 2500 nautical miles (30 knots),
      6000 nautical miles (18 knots)
      Autonomy of swimming 30 days

      Crew 510

      weaponry
      Artillery 1 × 2 - AK-130
      Anti-aircraft artillery 6 × 6 - AK-630
      Missile weapons 16 PU PKRK (P-1000 Volcano)
      64 launcher S-300F "Reef",
      4 SAM "Osa-MA"
      Mine-torpedo armament 2 five-pipe 533-mm torpedo tubes
      1 Air Force Ka-27 Helicopter
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 5 November 2013 19: 34 New
        -5
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        Yesterday picture "Peter the Great" laid out. And here is the Missile Cruiser "Moscow"

        to enlarge with the right mouse button on the image and click open.



        Main characteristics
        Displacement 11 t
        Xnumx length m
        20,8 width m
        42,5 height m
        Draft 8,4 m
        Engines gas turbine installation, 4 × 22 500 l. S., 2 × 10 000 liters. from.
        Power afterburners 4 × 22 500 l. marching 2 × 10 000 liters. from.
        Mover 2
        Speed ​​32 knots (full)
        16 Knots (Economic)
        Cruising range 2500 nautical miles (30 knots),
        6000 nautical miles (18 knots)
        Autonomy of swimming 30 days

        Crew 510

        weaponry
        Artillery 1 × 2 - AK-130
        Anti-aircraft artillery 6 × 6 - AK-630
        Missile weapons 16 PU PKRK (P-1000 Volcano)
        64 launcher S-300F "Reef",
        4 SAM "Osa-MA"
        Mine-torpedo armament 2 five-pipe 533-mm torpedo tubes
        1 Air Force Ka-27 Helicopter



        A beautiful picture no more. For short time and ordinary people. The picture does not reflect the critical technical condition of the ships and the level of crew training. The picture does not reflect the poor level of training of the command of the group, the officers of the headquarters operators, the lack of full intelligence support of the group, the lack of a reliable communications system. The Navy operates ships using the Iridium’s NATO system. There is no reliable anti-submarine support for the group, due to the complete absence of even non-nuclear submarines capable of solving tasks at the Mediterranean theater.
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 5 November 2013 23: 09 New
          +6
          Quote: gunnerminer
          There is no reliable anti-submarine support for the group, due to the complete absence of even non-nuclear submarines capable of solving problems at the Mediterranean theater.

          it's good that you all know about finding submarines ... bully
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 5 November 2013 23: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: DanaF1
            Quote: gunnerminer
            There is no reliable anti-submarine support for the group, due to the complete absence of even non-nuclear submarines capable of solving problems at the Mediterranean theater.

            it's good that you all know about finding submarines ... bully


            There are very few combat-ready battleships and submarines. It is not difficult to calculate and find out where they are and what tasks.
            1. 31231
              31231 6 November 2013 00: 22 New
              +1
              Well, feel free to publish. Though we will rejoice or be sad.
              1. gunnerminer
                gunnerminer 6 November 2013 00: 40 New
                -2
                Quote: 31231
                Well, feel free to publish. Though we will rejoice or be sad.



                I consider it necessary, I will publish it.
            2. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 6 November 2013 09: 41 New
              0
              Quote: gunnerminer
              There are very few combat-ready battleships and submarines. It is not difficult to calculate and find out where they are and what tasks.

              Oh really? laughing
              Americans don’t know, but you know ...
              1. gunnerminer
                gunnerminer 6 November 2013 09: 50 New
                -1
                Quote: DanaF1
                Quote: gunnerminer
                There are very few combat-ready battleships and submarines. It is not difficult to calculate and find out where they are and what tasks.

                Oh really? laughing
                Americans don’t know, but you know ...




                You cannot vouch for the entire American people. You do not even have American citizenship. And the number of first-line Russian submarines is Petrushkin’s secret.
        2. forma2
          forma2 6 November 2013 03: 11 New
          +1
          reflects, does not reflect, just a picture.
          Apparently you are reasoning only on high-quality glossy pictures about combat readiness. Troy several armies could not break off, pierced on an incomprehensible horse.
          And now tell the wise guy about his equipment, providing cover and other x-and.
          The main fact is that they came out, they decide who they are, they are setting some tasks, however, like the NATO.
          I do not consider the task of Democratization of Syria, it is obscurantism, or simply a crime. Got stuck in another country to wander (Call of Duty-for warriors).
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 6 November 2013 21: 44 New
            0
            Quote: forma2
            Troy several armies could not break off, pierced on an incomprehensible horse.

            Well, how much can you? This is just a legend, an invention of the author.
    3. Arberes
      Arberes 5 November 2013 12: 43 New
      +7
      Quote: rrrd
      the news is good.

      Or maybe it’s not worth all the "horses" in one stable? And at the expense of rotation, think about before if you have to play for a long time? And the game on the nerves is likely to drag on.
      1. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 5 November 2013 18: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: Arberes
        Or maybe it’s not worth all the "horses" in one stable?

        I agree with you completely! To prevent a war in Syria, our entire fleet cannot be put into "one basket" (like those eggs)! A couple of submarines and a jammer would be enough (they say that it was he who "hammered" the guidance signals of amerovsky cruise missiles, and they went blind). It’s not pleasant somehow all this looks, especially against the background of the continuing collapse of education! I think that the latter is a litmus test of the state of our society.
    4. Siberian German
      Siberian German 5 November 2013 14: 57 New
      +2
      and the remaining areas are bare - and their presence is necessary in other areas
      1. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 5 November 2013 17: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: Siberian German
        and the remaining areas are bare - and their presence is necessary in other areas

        At the moment, it is there that the main direction is and it is there that the Yankens are trying to unleash the 3rd world to write off their debts.
        1. In the reeds
          In the reeds 6 November 2013 12: 16 New
          0
          Hardly. Obama knows what eggs are, only in the morning at breakfast
    5. Megatron
      Megatron 5 November 2013 18: 00 New
      +4
      I think our submarines are there, but they simply don’t talk about them.
    6. alone
      alone 5 November 2013 18: 57 New
      +2
      In addition, in the Mediterranean are: patrol ships "Sharp-witted" and "Fearless", large landing ships "Azov", "Alexander Shabalin", "Minsk", "Novocherkassk" and "Yamal".


      Thus, today in this area of ​​the World Ocean the most serious forces of our fleet are concentrated lately.


      what Well, cruisers and patrols are understandable. Of course, I did not serve in the Navy. But I never thought that BDK is a serious force!
      1. In the reeds
        In the reeds 6 November 2013 12: 25 New
        0
        Yes, they have always been a force, hundreds of marines and equipment are on them, ready to land, or simply search for suspicious vessels and much more, psychological pressure ...
    7. ABV
      ABV 5 November 2013 20: 15 New
      +5
      why rejoice? once they pulled off the best forces of the fleet at once in one place, something not good is being planned ... and Kissinger has not in vain pressed himself into Moscow .... one must not rejoice, but beware. We will rejoice when they are all intact in their bases!
    8. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 6 November 2013 00: 27 New
      +1
      I'm not really ... I mean, it's all alarming. We are "happy" here, but our sailors will have to take the rap. And the alignment there is far from in our favor. We go for a break, for this honor and respect. But, God forbid, some kind of provocation ... Such a buch to brew for a long time will have to rake ...
  2. svp67
    svp67 5 November 2013 12: 02 New
    +5
    About the possible reasons for such a concentration of Russian naval power in the Mediterranean - in the coming days.
    Interesting, wait ...
    1. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 5 November 2013 12: 08 New
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      Interesting, wait ...

      I support, are there really clouds gathering around Syria again?
      1. Akhtuba73
        Akhtuba73 5 November 2013 12: 41 New
        12
        Quote: ziqzaq
        are clouds gathering around Syria again?

        Let's say they didn't disappear anywhere. Assad is hammering, the bandits snarl, a significant part of the territory is under the control of terrorists ... everything seems to be frozen and does not suit either side. It means that a serious reason (or provocation) will be made to remove this "stagnation". But this is a fight of the "big players" again. therefore there are three of them.
    2. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 5 November 2013 12: 08 New
      10
      "Kozlam", they will not like the news very much, Ours decided to "fix" the 6th fleet? Well done! These are not tugs for you.
  3. major071
    major071 5 November 2013 12: 04 New
    12
    Again, something the Western Democrats are up to? Otherwise, why concentrate such forces in one place?
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 5 November 2013 12: 08 New
      20
      quote-On Saturday, the flagship of the Pacific Fleet missile cruiser “Varyag” entered the Mediterranean Sea. He will have to lead the combined group of ships, which are constantly on duty in this region.
      1. Very old
        Very old 5 November 2013 12: 58 New
        +5
        It's time for "Moscow" to rest after Cuba, and the replacement is wonderful
      2. In the reeds
        In the reeds 6 November 2013 12: 41 New
        0
        On the Varyag there is still "Bars", somebody tell me that it is just outwardly, inside it is not it is not 1975
      3. Ram chandra
        Ram chandra 10 November 2013 01: 58 New
        -1
        Lord, why is there a bell ?!
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 5 November 2013 12: 16 New
      12
      "Varyag", probably to replace "Moscow". Apparently, the rotation begins, so we got a temporary concentration.
  4. Sars
    Sars 5 November 2013 12: 06 New
    +3
    To the cruisers, something is clearly not enough!
    1. varov14
      varov14 5 November 2013 18: 23 New
      -1
      "The cruisers are clearly missing something!" --- Wooden "boxes", do not think about the bad and the issue will be resolved.
  5. 10kAzAk01
    10kAzAk01 5 November 2013 12: 09 New
    13
    plus to these also underwater multipurpose cruisers, they are there for everyone!
    1. kostyan77708
      kostyan77708 5 November 2013 12: 22 New
      +8
      100% they are there!
    2. varov14
      varov14 5 November 2013 18: 32 New
      -5
      The submarine cruisers, and more mundane, although we have 5 columns in power, will fail with ... business.
  6. Algor73
    Algor73 5 November 2013 12: 18 New
    -20 qualifying.
    Collect then collected. From all fleets. And we rejoice ... When there is information that the ships of "such and such" fleet have entered "such and such waters, and with such (similar) composition, then there will be a reason for rejoicing. But the fact that they entered is fun.
    1. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 5 November 2013 12: 35 New
      14
      About 3 years ago. Could you let me in? No. Stop the panic.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 5 November 2013 13: 13 New
      15
      AND? Well, not so long ago I went to the Pacific Fleet to Kamchatka:
      - Tver nuclear submarine cruiser (firing from the underwater position of a target group)
      - Fast destroyer (shooting of the main missile and air defense systems at targets)
      - BOD Shaposhnikov (shooting SAM and AK at targets)
      - BOD Vinogradov (AK shooting at targets)
      - BDK Nikolay Vilkov
      - BDK Oslyabya
      - IPC-221
      - IPC-82
      - IPC-17
      - MRK Moroz
      - MRK Hoarfrost
      - MRK Spill
      - CER-208
      - GS Irtysh
      - KIL-927
      - KIL-498
      + hydrographs, tugs, lifeguards, 2 tankers.

      So what? We rejoiced at the large exercises that have been running in a row since June 2013, starting with the Maritime Commonwealth 2013, then with the Sudden Verification, then with maneuvers in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. No. Screaming DAMNED TEMPORARIANS DISSOLVE THE FLEET! IT WILL CRUSH AFTER THIS HIKING! IT WOULD BETTER BETTER !!!

      In SM, a large group gathered, in addition to cruisers, Petty is still awaiting Petka in Malta, BDK scurrying around Novorossiysk-Tartus, reconnaissance and support forces. Panteleev BOD is now in Aden - but he will go home. Vinogradov goes to Myanmar, and then it is unknown either to NG home or to Aden to replace Panteleev. Also, Yaroslav the Wise may go in December, where it is unclear (Aden with pirates or in SM).
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 5 November 2013 16: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: donavi49
        BDK scurry about Novorossiysk-Tartus


        Another BDK goes to the Mediterranean

        MOSCOW, November 5 - RIA Novosti. After entering Lisbon, the large landing ship George the Victorious will cross the Strait of Gibraltar into the Mediterranean Sea, where it will join a squadron of ships of the Russian Navy, Northern Fleet spokesman Captain First Rank Vadim Serga told reporters on Tuesday.

        RIA Novosti http://www.ria.ru/defense_safety/20131105/974750302.html#13836592749823&message=
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      2. lecturer
        lecturer 5 November 2013 22: 13 New
        +6
        Thank you sonny for such information and clarity in the explanations! And yet, let me add, for non-believers, that when a revolver is in a person's hand, in my opinion, it doesn't matter what physique he is, the main thing is "WHAT IS IN THE HEAD!" And ours and the Swedes, and the French and the Fuhrer, and even more so the Pentagon, WILL CHANGE!
    3. aleshka
      aleshka 5 November 2013 17: 52 New
      +7
      Ukrainian brother should always add a spoon of SHIT! according to the principle "let me have a cow dying, and sousida shob two !!!"
  7. kamenval
    kamenval 5 November 2013 12: 19 New
    +6
    Handsome man! (I'm talking about the cruiser).
    1. In the reeds
      In the reeds 6 November 2013 12: 56 New
      0
      We called him "singing". They didn’t like NATO klikuhi, but it stuck, and everyone accepted. He is not a cruiser, he is a BOD, one of the most beautiful ships of his era.
  8. Oberst_71
    Oberst_71 5 November 2013 12: 36 New
    +6
    will it be any good? there is the interaction of ships with air defense of Syria. question.! it seems nichrome is not if overslept the raid of Israel
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 5 November 2013 14: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Oberst_71
      will it be any good? there is the interaction of ships with air defense of Syria. question.!

      So it’s not clear to me, because the main goal of our group, in addition to delivering cargo, is to monitor airspace and monitor the situation, which means that any air raids on Syria should be fixed in advance and lay down on the table of the Syrian command .. A lot is still unclear, because apparently Israel already has a drum on our ships and he does everything he wants ..
      1. mixxlll
        mixxlll 5 November 2013 22: 05 New
        0
        but they thought that maybe they let them fly.
  9. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 5 November 2013 12: 39 New
    0
    This is better than nothing in the last 25 years.
    BUT!
    The Americans not only plow all the oceans, but re-equip and re-equip the fleet.
    When will Russia turn from words to action?
    1. SV
      SV 5 November 2013 16: 45 New
      +4
      not tired of whining and chewing snot ????????????????
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 5 November 2013 16: 52 New
        0
        Quote: SV
        not tired of whining and chewing snot ????????????????

        Where exactly did you read my "whining and chewing snot"? fool
        1. poquello
          poquello 6 November 2013 02: 08 New
          +1
          Read here about the Zumwald casserole, maybe the mood will rise
          http://www.vz.ru/society/2013/11/5/658215.html
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 6 November 2013 03: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Peaceful military
      When will Russia turn from words to action?

      The process goes on, let it be soon. But still coming. Yes, and the re-equipment of the fleet, the process is not fast, alas ...
  10. morpogr
    morpogr 5 November 2013 12: 40 New
    +4
    The good news is the fleet should be at sea, not at the pier.
    1. In the reeds
      In the reeds 6 November 2013 13: 24 New
      0
      Not really, sailors are people too, and from constant pitching they should rest at the pier and their families ... I myself am a sailor of the late 70s. I remember "Novorosiysk", "Kiev". And what a surprise it was for me that the fishermen of such and such a state farm fish caught 200 kg of a shark in the Barents Sea. Ashamed of the shells on the priest, they thought only in warm waters. Newspaper "On guard of the Arctic". Poor Northern Fleet, what have you done with it ........ The native strip of land has melted in a misty haze, again the ships are going to the ocean on an unexpected alarm, and in the evening, touching souls on the quarterdeck, the guitar sings about the one that remained on land who loves and waits
  11. AVV
    AVV 5 November 2013 12: 40 New
    +4
    Tartus needs to be strengthened with 400 air defense systems! And three cruisers will create a no-fly zone that no one would provoke! And so rotation, the Moscow cruiser to the Varyag cruiser !!!
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 5 November 2013 18: 59 New
      +2
      why are you being modest, let's get 1000 into the tartus right away.)
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 5 November 2013 19: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Phantom Revolution
        why are you being modest, let's get 1000 into the tartus right away.)

        And what, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are already armed with this? "Oh, what a useful invention" - the film "Ivan Vasilyevich is changing his profession". laughing
    2. mixxlll
      mixxlll 5 November 2013 22: 07 New
      0
      nonsense, how cruisers will create a no-fly zone and why then 400. And if they fall into the hands of the adversary.
    3. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 6 November 2013 00: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: AVV
      Tartus needs to be strengthened with 400 air defense systems! And three cruisers will create a no-fly zone that no one would provoke! And so rotation, the Moscow cruiser to the Varyag cruiser !!!


      How will cruisers create a no-fly zone without ATGM or a floating base? Without universal supply transports? Without air and space reconnaissance? Without anti-submarine support? A no-fly zone equal to only air defense means is provided? How about AWACS? What rotation without inter-passage and navigation repairs at the collapsed ship-repair plants ? Count on dunno?
  12. waisson
    waisson 5 November 2013 12: 41 New
    0
    soldier soldier soldierthere is something to rejoice !!!!!!
    1. waisson
      waisson 5 November 2013 19: 15 New
      +2
      let the Jews worry we are here and they have a splinter in the ass and not only they have them number 6 and number 1 are Americans
  13. Volkhov
    Volkhov 5 November 2013 12: 47 New
    0
    The matrix...
    "Mikhail Kutuzov" turns towers, "Aurora" recalls youth, the icebreaker "Krasin" recruits firemen ... these objects are at least visible in their places.
  14. Migari
    Migari 5 November 2013 12: 57 New
    +2
    A lot of naval forces of different countries are now concentrated in the Mediterranean region, and the fact that finally our fleet has returned here is very encouraging, we hope forever.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 6 November 2013 00: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Migari
      A lot of naval forces of different countries are now concentrated in the Mediterranean region, and the fact that finally our fleet has returned here is very encouraging, we hope forever.


      He returned? In this form? Having a core of 30-40 year old landing ships? Is this normal? Without anti-submarine and full-fledged reconnaissance support, without bases and basing points, without a hospital ship, without naval bases and PRTB?
  15. Viking
    Viking 5 November 2013 13: 19 New
    10
    Apparently "demonstration of the flag" in the light of the forthcoming, and most likely during the negotiations "Geneva-2". That would not put much pressure on the legitimate government of Syria.
  16. Stinger
    Stinger 5 November 2013 13: 23 New
    +3
    Geneva is approaching, but the cruiser is still gone. Now it is.
  17. mountain
    mountain 5 November 2013 13: 47 New
    +2
    With this approach, you look, we will all move there with families. Keep it up.
  18. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 5 November 2013 14: 24 New
    22
    Finally!
    I honestly don’t even fit in my head, three flagships of different fleets, all missile cruisers, one nuclear, each of them accompanied by nuclear submarines and other ships, and all this in one order.
    There have been so many disputes and talks about the possibilities of each of them individually to strike at our "probable partner". And then THREE and AT ONCE!
    And just looking at this "trio" begin to itch hands to break all this "universal" shalupenny strong, but democratic people, and most importantly, that such a hellish ormada you can stop, only nuclear weapons, but that's a completely different story.
    But there is one more side of the coin: In Ukraine, yet another sistership of Varyag and Moscow has not been completed, and three brothers of Peter-1 are really rusting and have not seen the seas, Varyag-aircraft carrier is sold in China. Eh, if there is power in the Middle Ages now, what kind of sorrowful project ... did we have with our tacit consent?
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 5 November 2013 19: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: Bashkaus
      Finally!
      I honestly don’t even fit in my head, three flagships of different fleets, all missile cruisers, one nuclear, each of them accompanied by nuclear submarines and other ships, and all this in one order.
      There have been so many disputes and talks about the possibilities of each of them individually to strike at our "probable partner". And then THREE and AT ONCE!
      And just looking at this "trio" begin to itch hands to break all this "universal" shalupenny strong, but democratic people, and most importantly, that such a hellish ormada you can stop, only nuclear weapons, but that's a completely different story.
      But there is one more side of the coin: In Ukraine, yet another sistership of Varyag and Moscow has not been completed, and three brothers of Peter-1 are really rusting and have not seen the seas, Varyag-aircraft carrier is sold in China. Eh, if there is power in the Middle Ages now, what kind of sorrowful project ... did we have with our tacit consent?

      Oh, Sergey! As they say, your words, but to God’s ears ... soldier
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 6 November 2013 03: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Bashkaus
      But there is one more side of the coin: In Ukraine, yet another sistership of Varyag and Moscow has not been completed, and the three brothers of Peter-1 really rust and did not see the seas,

      At the end of the year, they promised to resolve the issue with Ukraine once and for all.
      "Ustinov" was taken out of the dry dock and should be finished in a couple of years. "Nakhimov" will go into operation in 18, followed by others ...
  19. zeka102
    zeka102 5 November 2013 14: 33 New
    +3
    Great news!) Jews love this tantrums do not like!)
  20. moremansf
    moremansf 5 November 2013 14: 45 New
    20
    Just like in the old days, representatives of all fleets on the BS !!! I remember when in 1987 two cruisers of pr.1164 "Marshal Ustinov" and "Slava" (later "Moscow") entered Mediterranean, they made a fuss among our western "comrades" !!! They bustled great !!! It's a pity "Ustinov" is still on modernization in Severodvinsk, otherwise it would be there ... It's good that the ships are not standing at the wall, so there will be real sailors, not guards of the berths !!!
    ... the fleet will return to the seas,
    Where the bottomless distances prophesy
    Where is the blind wave
    Covers a blizzard charge!
    Akin to us restless -
    We are not tired of life yet.
    1. Poruchik 90
      Poruchik 90 5 November 2013 15: 27 New
      +9
      I’m 27 in the army, I only support, and the plane and the ship and the tank, only combat training, otherwise how can I protect the country.
  21. Luga
    Luga 5 November 2013 15: 10 New
    +3
    On the one hand, we want "world peace" and that the presence of our fleet alone would be enough to calm everyone in the world. And on the other hand, I really want to see if our warships are as effective as they are beautiful ... So I'm torn ...
  22. Ihrek
    Ihrek 5 November 2013 15: 32 New
    +9
    Three cruisers is a serious force, where are they to be today if not here.
  23. vedmeddd
    vedmeddd 5 November 2013 15: 38 New
    -16 qualifying.
    Straight all the flagships in one place drove! I wonder why? To make it easier to heat?
    1. mark1
      mark1 5 November 2013 16: 38 New
      +6
      This is most likely the solution to the problem of providing a single radar field and air defense from the side of the Mediterranean Sea (all flagships carry 300th complexes). Drowning the USAG AUG is a very extreme measure, and to ensure a no-fly zone for NATO and Israel is real.
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 5 November 2013 19: 38 New
        0
        The no-fly zone over Israel is tempting.
        Let them feel in the place of their victims.
        Maybe the feeling of complete helplessness they have experienced will benefit them.
    2. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 5 November 2013 19: 46 New
      +5
      Not. We want to provoke the United States, that would have drove all of their aircraft carriers into this puddle. That would immediately all to the bottom)))
      A joke of course. You young man heard a lot of Western propaganda. Firstly, no one is going to shoot anyone. Normal (well, not quite ordinary), a show of strength.
      Secondly, 3 missile cruisers still need to be able to drown before they drown them.
    3. Simon
      Simon 5 November 2013 21: 45 New
      0
      To defend it was easier. Means of air defense more. fool
  24. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 5 November 2013 15: 42 New
    +3
    In the summer of next year, the chemical disarmament of Syria will end. And then you need to be prepared for the dirty tricks against Syria. In the meantime, you can practice and prepare.
  25. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 November 2013 15: 56 New
    +7
    Great news! You cannot relax in this region. Soon the Olympics are the favorite time of Anglo-Scassians and Jews for provocations (2008. Mishik "fas" said ..))) Now it is clear that something is being planned, and it is in Syrii. We hope that our special services will work well!
    1. SOKOL777
      SOKOL777 6 November 2013 00: 58 New
      0
      Well done, MIKHAN!
      A very sound and timely thought.
      For koment put a big plus. bully good
  26. Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 5 November 2013 16: 57 New
    0
    Syria probably needs help blocking the arms supply channels across the border, and Russia will somehow be able to provide some sort of technical assistance in this, of course.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 6 November 2013 00: 53 New
      -2
      Quote: Sadykoff
      Syria probably needs help blocking the arms supply channels across the border, and Russia will somehow be able to provide some sort of technical assistance in this, of course.



      Russia, for example, cannot even control its borders with Kazakhstan! What kind of Syria is it?
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 6 November 2013 07: 13 New
        0
        Quote: gunnerminer
        Russia, for example, cannot even control its borders with Kazakhstan! What kind of Syria is it?

        Here it is more about corruption than opportunities, in Kazakhstan.
        1. lucidlook
          lucidlook 9 November 2013 21: 48 New
          0
          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          Here it is more about corruption than opportunities, in Kazakhstan.

          Citizens from this, of course, much easier.
  27. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 5 November 2013 17: 14 New
    11
    Of course, the Americans have more forces in this region. But behind our ships, the power of the Russian nuclear triad. This is well understood by the Pentagon poets. And our beauties, ships, are an outpost of Russia's might at sea. And do not add up and compare the number of ships, ours and them. Here simple arithmetic does not work.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 6 November 2013 00: 54 New
      -3
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      Of course, the Americans have more forces in this region. But behind our ships, the power of the Russian nuclear triad. This is well understood by the Pentagon poets. And our beauties, ships, are an outpost of Russia's might at sea. And do not add up and compare the number of ships, ours and them. Here simple arithmetic does not work.



      What triad? Three Tu-160s capable of flying into the air with a full supply of fuel and ammunition? Three linear savers? Is this a triad?
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 6 November 2013 17: 56 New
        0
        Quote: gunnerminer
        What is a triad?


        Well, just a cry of the soul, probably about ... whether all the polymers.
        Liberals need to listen less, they still haven't told you that.
  28. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 5 November 2013 17: 23 New
    +2
    I wonder how our "potential partners" feel there now? what It's one thing when to climb into someone else's garden with impunity, and another thing when there is a grandpa with his favorite TOZovka and a pack of salt in the "gatehouse" ... lol
  29. mithridate
    mithridate 5 November 2013 17: 36 New
    +4
    Russia takes the right steps - restores former positions in the world
  30. lex fim
    lex fim 5 November 2013 17: 40 New
    +4
    Syria is the cornerstone. There is nowhere to retreat. Then either lower the legs or a full-scale nuclear war. What have we tacitly declared to the whole world with these ships.
  31. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 November 2013 17: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: Sadykoff
    Syria probably needs help blocking the arms supply channels across the border, and Russia will somehow be able to provide some sort of technical assistance in this, of course.

    Better how Israel acts ... Deliver a missile strike (from ships) at the bearded bases! (a threat to Russian citizens and the Russian Navy base) Captures of Russians are constantly coming and warehouses with our weapons are being bombed. And there is a threat of an attack on warehouses with chemical weapons. I think there are exact coordinates .. (Assad I think has been asking for this for a long time ..) That's all ..
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 5 November 2013 18: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Launch a missile strike (from ships) on the bearded bases!

      What ??? Anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles ??? And the Syrian Air Force is no longer able to deliver missile and bomb strikes on the bases of the "bearded"?
  32. ramin_serg
    ramin_serg 5 November 2013 17: 55 New
    0
    I wonder what it would be? recourse
    1. consul
      consul 5 November 2013 18: 55 New
      +3
      To the liberation of Constantinople may what ?(in perspective)
  33. serezhafili
    serezhafili 5 November 2013 18: 26 New
    -2
    Put all the eggs in one basket! What's the point?
  34. Svetlana
    Svetlana 5 November 2013 18: 56 New
    -1
    add a special airship to them to increase the farsightedness of the group
    1. SOKOL777
      SOKOL777 6 November 2013 00: 53 New
      0
      And the helicopters ...
  35. IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 5 November 2013 19: 21 New
    -4
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Great news! You cannot relax in this region. Soon the Olympics are the favorite time of Anglo-Scassians and Jews for provocations (2008. Mishik "fas" said ..))) Now it is clear that something is being planned, and it is in Syrii. We hope that our special services will work well!


    Or maybe it was not worth it, it was to hold the Olympics so that "Jews and Anglo-Saxons did not have their favorite time", eh? Here's some fun for you - the (winter) Olympics are held in the subtropics, no money has been measured, the fire is running through the ruined Russian cities, we launch it into space for hundreds of millions of rubles. Maybe it is the Jews and the Anlo-Saxons who arrange a feast for themselves during the plague at our expense and in our country, no? So also "something is plotting in Syria." Exit the stand by mode.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 5 November 2013 20: 49 New
      +1
      You can, of course, use this money to set up nuclear submarines or newest fighters .. or to pay all pensioners the Putin Prize .. But this is all wrong .. The world is on the brink of war, and this holiday of peace and healthy competition I consider the only chance to save the world from collapse and hatred to each other .. the USSR and now Russia has never spared such money this is not PR .. Let people come from all over the world and look into our eyes .. That we are not wild bears as Western media want to present us .. We just want the World ! just not the one that is offered to us. Much polar and fair .. that's what we will compete ..
    2. smile
      smile 5 November 2013 23: 57 New
      +1
      IOwTZ
      So you quite seriously believe that the Jews are hosting our Olympics? :)))
      Forgive me, but is it not too much, huh? Aren't you too worshiping the Jews, considering them to be some kind of omnipotent superman? :))) By the way, I would, in place of the Jews with your glorification, would certainly agree to them ... and I would also be at peace with your self-abasement. :)))
      Even the statement that the fire runs through our ruined cities does not sound so wild ... as it should, in comparison with such a pearl. :))))
      Can you tell me in what mode the brain is capable of such hallucinations? You can just a diagnosis. :)))
  36. sichevik
    sichevik 5 November 2013 20: 04 New
    +1
    All this is very good. All this pleases. Now, if in all corners of the oceans there were the same groups. Then it would be very beautiful.
    God willing - we will live to see this.
  37. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 November 2013 20: 35 New
    -1
    Quote: ramzes1776
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Launch a missile strike (from ships) on the bearded bases!

    What ??? Anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles ??? And the Syrian Air Force is no longer able to deliver missile and bomb strikes on the bases of the "bearded"?

    The fact of the matter is that they can’t .. (fully and precisely) Chechnya remember how the leaders were removed .. they worked out at least (at least) (and they didn’t kill everyone) and the result was obvious. And Syria is a small country and the borders are open (and Israel nearby .. heh heh))) It's not that simple .. This war can go on forever, but you can stop it at once (well, almost ..) These are the things ..
  38. whitewolf
    whitewolf 5 November 2013 20: 46 New
    +4
    We still have not enough strength - to be present in all corners, but the fact that the ships stopped rusting at the wall is great and correct.
  39. voliador
    voliador 5 November 2013 20: 59 New
    -1
    The fleet is aging. I don’t know which ships will be built under the rearmament program, but if at the same pace as now, then x ... there will be new cruisers in the fleet! Yes, plus they steal how much.
  40. serezhafili
    serezhafili 5 November 2013 21: 00 New
    -3
    Don’t you really understand that in the event of a strike against this group of cruisers in the Russian surface fleet, only six-six-year-old yals of the Nakhimov School will remain! What thought of it !?
    1. Simon
      Simon 5 November 2013 21: 57 New
      +4
      What are you talking about! No one will attack such a powerful group. Moreover, the Americans, they always avoid an open battle with the enemy, which can respond adequately. These cruisers are very well armed with modern weapons, and it is quite possible that submarines probably walk along the US coast. War may break out, which the Americans are also afraid of.
  41. luka095
    luka095 5 November 2013 21: 24 New
    +3
    Article "plus". It is good that the ships are at sea and not at the wall. Whether someone likes it or not, everyone will have to reckon with them. And as for strikes on ships - who is so brave to strike them on ships of a nuclear power?
    1. serezhafili
      serezhafili 5 November 2013 21: 59 New
      -10 qualifying.
      So put the Aurora there, since we are a nuclear power!
      1. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 6 November 2013 21: 41 New
        +3
        In 99m g, one "ragged" reconnaissance ship was on duty in the Mediterranean, so he successfully maneuvered the American squadron across the eggs, they sometimes even squealed, but they had to be considered talking to you and only by name, I will report. There is nothing to be done, even for the six-merry labyboy the power of the Russian nuclear triad.
  42. vair
    vair 5 November 2013 21: 50 New
    +4
    Quote: gunnerminer
    TAVKR Kuznetsov is good in Middle-earth only in peacetime. Even he is unable to maneuver with moves, plus poor crew training due to the ongoing personnel leapfrog.

    And you, my friend, who is this? Not a provocateur for an hour. As you already got with your whining. According to your words, we are the last. And why, your proteges about .... smiling, explain to us the idiots. Maybe the wind was blowing in the direction opposite to the launch of their axes?
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 5 November 2013 23: 38 New
      -5
      Quote: vair
      Quote: gunnerminer
      TAVKR Kuznetsov is good in Middle-earth only in peacetime. Even he is unable to maneuver with moves, plus poor crew training due to the ongoing personnel leapfrog.

      And you, my friend, who is this? Not a provocateur for an hour. As you already got with your whining. According to your words, we are the last. And why, your proteges about .... smiling, explain to us the idiots. Maybe the wind was blowing in the direction opposite to the launch of their axes?



      Coalition ships, aviation, submarines have not disappeared anywhere with the advent of the Russian amusing group. Maintaining combat readiness, including technical, of the Russian Federation is not able for 3-4 months. Considering the available resource of the power plant, auxiliary mechanisms, the condition of ship repair plants. By the way, stockpiles of missile, anti-submarine weapons, too, for the Russian naval amusement group. Marines on rusty BDKs have not gone ashore for a month, even normal morning exercises are normal.
  43. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 5 November 2013 22: 13 New
    +6
    so many clever defeatists ... to listen to them - you must give up anyway. would go from ... themselves know where.

    how many ships are there - so much we send. set up more - send more.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 5 November 2013 23: 40 New
      -3
      Quote: Silkway0026
      so many clever defeatists ... to listen to them - you must give up anyway. would go from ... themselves know where.

      how many ships are there - so much we send. set up more - send more.



      Although it is normal to repair existing ones, you need to learn. TAVKR Kuznetsov has already ten years past the deadline for the start of overhaul and modernization. Usually such adventures do not end in good.
  44. morprepud
    morprepud 5 November 2013 22: 25 New
    +3
    Quote: serezhafili
    So put the Aurora there, since we are a nuclear power!

    Boy! And what did you forget, why the Americans were afraid to touch Cuba, because it had absolutely no fleet and no? And Syria, yes, it would have long been torn to pieces!
    1. serezhafili
      serezhafili 5 November 2013 22: 58 New
      -9
      So after all, then our nuclear missiles terrified the Americans, and now our ships only laugh! What a "strategist" has managed to collect all the strongest in our fleet at one point - in general, idiocy! These are OCEAN ships. We have very few of them left and they must be protected and PROTECTED!
      1. Фокус
        Фокус 5 November 2013 23: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: serezhafili
        These are OCEAN ships. We have very few of them left and we need to protect and PROTECT them!

        Ships should go hiking if they need to be repaired and modernized or replaced with more modern ones. And the fact that they are in the Mediterranean Sea is an aid to our diplomacy, an extra argument for our Lavrov in upholding our position, and of course, and not only that.
      2. BYRY
        BYRY 5 November 2013 23: 21 New
        +5
        Yeah. Weld to the pier.
        When a person is for a long time.
        1. BYRY
          BYRY 5 November 2013 23: 23 New
          0
          Strange? And-di-from not missed.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 6 November 2013 00: 23 New
            -3
            Quote: BYRY
            Strange? And-di-from not missed.

            These are trifles, ho ol - now a curse, insanity grows stronger.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 6 November 2013 21: 39 New
              0
              Quote: Setrac
              These are trifles, ho ol - now a curse, insanity grows stronger.

              I’ll add, this is a spirit of the West, for them in the West that ho ol, that Russian is abusive words.
  45. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 5 November 2013 22: 35 New
    +2
    Last time, such a concentration covered up a large supply of missile weapons to Syria, obviously the same thing is planned this time.
  46. e3tozy
    e3tozy 5 November 2013 23: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: mixxlll
    but they thought that maybe they let them fly.

    The story is very muddy, even the state comments about the blow are not a fact that the truth. In Homs, when the rocket hit the ammunition depot, the militants were not small, they shot it from all angles, and this information was in all the media. This is not so. The information about the intention of the Turks to hit with tanks (possibly a deza) passed in a glide, since the Kurds take control of settlements too quickly (three days, 19 pop. Points). Perhaps the call of the cruisers, ,, strike at the base ,,, the flights of our scouts in the air to Turkey, Turkey’s intentions are links of one chain, or a game of nerves.
  47. SOKOL777
    SOKOL777 6 November 2013 00: 48 New
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    Quote: MIKHAN
    You cannot relax in this region. Soon the Olympics are the favorite time of Anglo-Scassians and Jews for provocations (2008. Mishik "fas" said ..))) Now it is clear that something is being planned, and it is in Syrii. We hope that our special services will work well!

    Well done, MIKHAN!
    Very good thought. And timely.
    I put a huge plus for koment. bully good
  48. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 6 November 2013 02: 05 New
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    Quote: rrrd
    the news is good.




    If you don’t think about the meaning of the news, it’s good.
  49. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 6 November 2013 05: 32 New
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    Quote: gunnerminer

    If you don’t think about the meaning of the news, it’s good.

    And if you think about it, it’s not only pleasing, but also makes you mobilize internally.
    The military must be ready for war every second.
    And civilians must be sure that the military will not fail.
    The latest news is encouraging - our sailors are finally actually learning.
    At the same time, considering how much the ship’s trips cost, UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS NOT FROM A GOOD LIFE.
    But if one does not prepare for trouble, if one does not try to prevent the trouble, then it will certainly come.
  50. air wolf
    air wolf 6 November 2013 09: 27 New
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    For complete joy, Kuzyu (Kuznetsov) should be sent there with airplanes laughing