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National Unity Day was established in memory of the events of 1612, when the people's militia, under the leadership of Kuzma Minin and Dmitry Pozharsky, liberated Moscow from Polish interventionists, putting an end to the Time of Troubles in Russia (1584-1613).


Unity Day


The culmination of the national liberation struggle of 1612 of the year was the creation of the 10-thousand militia consisting of servicemen, Cossacks, archers and peasants - representatives of all levels of the then Russian society. In the struggle to preserve the country was attended by representatives of almost all the peoples who lived on the territory of what was then Russia.

Overcoming the Troubles and the subsequent election to the kingdom of Mikhail Romanov is closely connected with the person of Patriarch Hermogenes - it was he who called on the Russian people to stand up for the faith and drive the invaders out of Moscow. The patriarch's call “To lay down your soul for the House of the Most Holy Theotokos” laid the foundation for a broad patriotic movement for the liberation of Russia from foreign self-styled outrage.

In memory of the capture of 4 China Town in November 1612 of the year and the expulsion of the Poles from Moscow, Prince Pozharsky, in a sign of gratitude to the Mother of God and her Kazan icon, who granted the militia a victory, laid the Kazan Cathedral on the edge of Red Square. Since then, the Kazan Icon began to be honored as the patroness of the Romanovs' house, and in connection with this, the annual celebration of November 4 was established in Russia as a day of gratitude to the Blessed Virgin Mary for her assistance in freeing Russia from the Polish invaders. The tradition of celebrating this memorable day was temporarily interrupted in 1917 and restored in 2005.

This year, Russia will celebrate National Unity Day at 8 once again in its newest stories. Although this holiday continues to be considered relatively new, it has managed to fill with the necessary spiritual content, to become recognizable and loved.
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  1. Sewer
    Sewer 4 November 2013 07: 26 New
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    Everything is on the Russian March! We will show that there are many of us and we are power. Which will turn the head of the Khazar Kaganate! Hello Rusichi! soldier
    1. Canep
      Canep 4 November 2013 07: 33 New
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      In 1983-2000, one could also say a time of troubles due to the betrayal of two leaders: Bears labeled and Borka the drunkard.
      1. the polar
        the polar 4 November 2013 08: 05 New
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        Quote: Canep
        In 1983-2000, one could also say a time of troubles due to the betrayal of two leaders: Bears labeled and Borka the drunkard.

        Now, when we free the Russian land from them and their heirs, then the day of national unity will be
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            1. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 14: 46 New
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              Filter the bazaar! We still had a country of advice ...
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          2. Asgard
            Asgard 4 November 2013 13: 42 New
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            There is nothing to congratulate Komradov with !!!
            November 4 in the History of Russia there were no memorable dates. This figure was taken. from the ceiling and introduced by the correction of FZ-32 (FZ-200 December 2004)) by Putin
            The fact is that the Orthodox celebrated the feast of the Icon of Kazan .... not on November 4, but annually on Friday of the Holy Week of Easter Week (the Orthodox Church celebrates the Day of the miraculous icon of the Virgin)).THIS IS A HOLIDAY WITH A FLOATING DATE..... THE BEGINNING OF THE CELEBRATION OF 1649
            Orthodox in flight)))))

            Let's deal with Minin and Pozharsky !!!! They are in the text of the decree signed by Putin, NO .....
            On November 1, the militia took Kitay Gorod, the Poles took refuge in the Kremlin (they still sit there and arrange holidays)))))))))) I'm joking with the Poles)))
            Poles were driven out of Moscow already on November 22 (according to the new style)) of 1612 ....
            What the President was guided by (incomprehensible))) as well as it is not clear what He is guided by when appointing ministers, signing Decrees and Federal Law))))))

            Only one thing comes to mind so that people forget the date?7? November, which as we knowCALENDAR RED DAY
            The idea of ​​celebration (November 4)) in modern Russia was put forward by the Interreligious Council of Russia. The main one there is BerLazar))))

            Well, what else to write to you ... I have been on the VO website for a little more than a year now. I see a lot of "Pozhansk" who can lead the Squad, when the time comes - TO GET YOURSELF AND cancel holidays and laws passed after 1991 ....
            Citizen Minina DO NOT SEE, who would say, RISE THE PRINCE, ENOUGH TO SIT, grab swords and .......
            I saw this in this monument where CITIZEN worth, but Prince SIT until the last, until he is called upon by similar CITIZENS ,,,,,,,,, ........
            We are Russian People gathering together on SIGNIFICANT REASONS .... TO PROTECT THE HOMELAND AND EXACTLY PERFORMANCE ....
            let us recall (November 7) the 26th anniversary of the October Revolution, when the militiamen from the Parade on Red Square went to the front and the broadcast was broadcast throughout the WORLD, then there was a turning point in the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR and a real unity ........
            Citizen and Prince


            And remember - CITIZENS are always more important than princes and authorities ...
            ..if anyone thinks differently, it's time to dump the story)))))
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 4 November 2013 13: 52 New
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              IT'S A HOLIDAY WITH A FLOATING DATE


              Autumn holiday of the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God - This is a holiday in honor of the day of the liberation of Moscow from the Poles in 1612. Long in Russia this day was celebrated as a public holiday. The whole country glorified one of the most beloved in Russia, the Kazan image of the Virgin, which showed its wonderful intercession for Russia during the Time of Troubles. In 1737, the revered image of the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God was transferred to St. Petersburg to the Church of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary, on the site of which a cathedral (Kazan Cathedral) was built in the 1810s. The Kazan icon was in the militia, led by Kuzma Minin and Prince Dimitry Pozharsky, when Russian troops liberated the Kremlin and Moscow from the enemy. In memory of this event, Kazan Cathedral was erected on Red Square, which was liquidated in the summer of 1936. A significant event was noted on November 4, 1993, when the restored Kazan Cathedral was opened in Moscow on Red Square.

              Sources: http://www.calend.ru/holidays/0/0/1544/

              ria.ru/religion/20101104/268134211.html


              For the rest, with all due respect - no commets .....
              Of course "-" hi
              1. Aleksys2
                Aleksys2 4 November 2013 14: 03 New
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                Quote: Ptah
                The autumn holiday of the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God is a holiday in honor of the day of the liberation of Moscow from the Poles in the 1612 year.

                The Day of the Appearance of the Kazan Icon - July 8 on the Julian calendar - is a church holiday in the Russian Church.
                In 1579, a list with the Kazan Icon was sent to Moscow to Tsar Ivan IV (Grozny). Under Peter I, one of the lists of the miraculous icon was moved to St. Petersburg. From the 1737 of the year this icon was in the Church of the Nativity of the Virgin on Nevsky Prospect, and from the 1811 of the year in the Kazan Cathedral.
                The future patriarch Hermogenes, Saint of Moscow, in 1594, being Metropolitan of Kazan, composed "The Tale and Miracles of the Most Holy Theotokos, an honest and glorious Her appearance of an image, like in Kazan."
                Another miraculous list from the icon was brought from Kazan to Moscow to the army of Prince Dmitry Pozharsky in 1611, apparently by the militia from Kazan. In the fall of 1612, the militia overthrew the boyar government of Prince Vladislav. In memory of this event, the local (in Moscow) celebration of the icon was first established; in 1649 on the occasion of the birth of the feast of the “miraculous icon of Kazan, during all-night singing”, the heir to the throne of Tsarevich Dimitry, Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich ordered the Kazan icon to be celebrated on October 22 with the Kazan Icon “in all cities for all years”.
              2. 11111mail.ru
                11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 14: 59 New
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                Quote: Ptah
                feast of the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God

                Does the date 1649 tell you anything? This is the FIFTH YEAR of the "quietest" reign. Yes, with a careful reading of the above comments (floating date), well, it cannot be the day of national unity, but the antithesis of November 7 (October 25, old style) is quite.
                * It was also noted that the Day of National Unity is a resurrected state holiday, established in 1649 by decree of Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich * (wikipedia)
                With what you, dear and congratulations.
            2. DPN
              DPN 4 November 2013 14: 16 New
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              It is TRUE that this day was made festive in order to erase DAY 7 NOVEMBER OF THE GREAT OCTOBER REVOLUTION from Soviet people. The young people don’t know this day, and Svanidze sprinkles saliva from the screen and proves how he should have done in Soviet times, and the scoundrel studied for free, he would study Georgia, and in Russia there are enough of his own.
              And what kind of unity can there be between the oligarchs and the working class.
              1. kontrol
                kontrol 4 November 2013 17: 00 New
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                it’s definitely a well-fed hungry does not mean.
              2. alexander 2
                alexander 2 4 November 2013 21: 52 New
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                DPN, write directly: between the robbers and their victims. The truth then the moderators may not miss. It is not for nothing that they say: "The truth hurts!"
            3. hrych
              hrych 4 November 2013 14: 43 New
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              Asgard Let's deal with Minin and Pozharsky !!!

              When they honor Minin and Pozharsky, no doubt, deservedly. But, never forget that these are the leaders of the Second Militia, the leaders of the First Militia are completely undeservedly deleted from history, and These are Voevoda Lyapunov, Prince Trubetskoy and Ataman Zarutsky, who blocked and besieged the Kremlin with interventionists, and when the army of the Second Militia was on the verge of defeat the attack of the Cossacks Zarutsky decided the outcome of the battle for Moscow, and indeed Russia. Crossed out from history by the Romanov family, as Zarutsky later did not support the rootless usurpers, but Karamzin spied that the attack of the Cossacks was contrary to the will of his Ataman.

              Like-minded people, I ask you to remember the saviors of Russia, everyone, especially the First Militia, because The second, in fact, only came to their aid.
              1. hrych
                hrych 4 November 2013 15: 01 New
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                Here is who raised Russia to fight and fell victim to vile methods, the continuer of which is an old rat that survived its poisonous teeth - Brzezinski.
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 4 November 2013 15: 05 New
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                Quote: hrych
                the leaders of the First Militia were completely undeservedly deleted from history, and This is Voevoda Lyapunov, Prince Trubetskoy and Ataman Zarutsky, the last two blocked and besieged the Kremlin with interventionists,

                I'm sorry, but let's not go into the jungle of history, provided that a lot is not so beautiful there - Zarutsky received the boyar rank and commanded all the Cossacks in the army "false Dmitry".
                1. hrych
                  hrych 4 November 2013 15: 19 New
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                  The topic is complex and not within the framework of this article, but False Dmitry is an invention of the rootless Romanov family, who usurped power after the turmoil and took advantage of the post of patriarch when Filaret (Fedya Romanov in the world) weakened his hatless son Monomakh. And then the split and the reason to burn all the annals, which Nikon and Karamzin inconsistencies did. So Tsar Boris Fedorovich, succeeded Fedor Ioannovich, became somehow Godunov, the brother of the king’s wife, but for some reason, three times his people implored in a procession of the cross to become king. One way or another, it all started with the assassination of Tsar Boris and his children (the last Rurik), the coup was organized by the Shuyskys and even managed to be crowned by Tsar Vasily, and in the end the power went to the Shuysky six Kobyls, nicknamed the Romanovs (Roman). The most important thing is to clarify the question: Who made Filaret a patriarch?
                2. rexby63
                  rexby63 5 November 2013 20: 57 New
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                  Yes, and Prokop Lyapunov biography is far from ideal
              3. Asgard
                Asgard 4 November 2013 15: 24 New
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                Thank you for the addition !!!!
                When I was in school, my History teacher Alexei Alekseevich Isaev, mentioned them, there the History is super complicated ... For the same Zarutsky (I don’t remember the brothers or father with his son))
                But THAT were PATRIOTS and NATIONALISTS, those who loved their culture and devoted to their people ...
                They, Yes, were undeservedly "forgotten" .....
                But "Hrych" and I remember and I think we will somehow remember these HEROES .....
                If one remembers, then everyone will know ....

                Often this is a substitution of concepts !!!!
                It is necessary to separate NATIONALISM (respect for its culture and its bearer-people)) from FASCISM and its brother SIONISM-a belief in their exclusivity and hatred of others (goya-non-Aryans)))
                And if any of you on November 4 raises a glass for a "virtual holiday", he will betray his HOMELAND ...
                You have to LIVE with such a feeling, because "betrayal" begins with LITTLE)))
                1. Shur
                  Shur 4 November 2013 20: 25 New
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                  We will hope for the best. After all, there were people:
                  "The name of General Valentin Aleksandrovich Moshkov, a full member of the Russian Geographical Society and coordinator of the Society of Archeology, History and Ethnography at Kazan University, was not included in the encyclopedic dictionaries ... Many of his works were known only to a narrow circle of local historians and ethnographers. These are" Materials for the study of the Gagauz dialect of Turkic language "," Scythians and their fellow tribesmen Thracians "," Materials for characterizing the musical creativity of foreigners of the Volga-Kama region "," Permian-Karelian parallels "and a number of others.

                  A special place in the general's creative legacy is held by the fundamental research published in 1907-1910 in Warsaw "A new theory of the origin of man and his degeneration, compiled by the data of zoology, geology, archeology, anthropology, ethnography, history and statistics." The general in her largely managed to foresee the fate of our Fatherland. "
                2. Shur
                  Shur 4 November 2013 20: 28 New
                  +1
                  Valentin Aleksandrovich traced that all the great and small states and peoples make “a continuous cycle of revolutions”, which he called “historical cycles”. Each cycle of all nations, without exception, lasts exactly 400 years. Every 400 years of its history, people return to the same place they started with, Moshkov thought.

                  In turn, he calls the four centuries of such a cycle, respectively, gold, silver, copper and iron. And the cycle itself divides into two halves, two hundred, the first - ascending, in which "progonism" prevails, that is, the desire for a "higher type", and the second - descending, or "atavistic".

                  In the first half of the 400-year cycle, “the state grows and becomes stronger and at the end of 200 reaches its maximum prosperity, and therefore this year can be called the“ peak of growth ”, and in the second half it tends to decline until it reaches its peak at the end of the cycle . Then begins the first rising half of the new four-century cycle. "
                3. Shur
                  Shur 4 November 2013 20: 30 New
                  +1
                  But that is not all, since each century is divided into two half-centuries of 50 years, distinguished by their character. The first half marks the decline, the second half - the rise, with the exception of the Iron Age, representing the "continuous decline".

                  Thus, according to Moshkov’s scheme, in each historical cycle of 400 years, ups and downs continuously alternate and last no more than 50 years.

                  The general took the year 812 to begin the first such cycle in the history of Russia, when the leaders of the Polyans, Ilmen Slavs, Radimichs, Krivichis and a number of other tribes entered into an alliance, uniting their lands in the first ancient Slavic state - Kievan Rus. It turns out that the baptism of Rus fell on the second, progressive, half of the silver age.

                  Batu invaded our country in the first, decadent, half of the golden age of the second 400-year cycle. On the Kulikovo field, Russian regiments went out to fight in the second half of the Silver Age. The Romanov dynasty reigned at the very beginning of the golden age of the third cycle, after the time of trouble in the second Iron Age. And Napoleon’s invasion took place in the year of the “peak of rise” of the third, not yet completed cycle. Indeed, the Russian army and people in that year showed a great upsurge in spiritual forces, and soon the troops of Alexander the Blessed stood near Paris.
                4. Shur
                  Shur 4 November 2013 20: 31 New
                  +1
                  Moshkov’s historical cycles can be tried to apply to other countries. For example, to the USA. There it is most reasonable to take 1776 as the starting point of reference - the time of the proclamation of the "Declaration of Independence". The political weight of America in the international arena then continuously increased. The Second World War, which brought unprecedented dividends to American capital, in this case falls on the rising half of the silver age. In the 70s of the last century, the US economy reaches exorbitant heights, because the country is on the very crest of the rise. But now, many political scientists are waiting for the "sunset of America."

                  Moshkov’s theory is also interesting in that it allows one to make predictions. In 1910, the general wrote about the prospects for developments in Russia: “Two years later, that is, in 1912, we are entering the Iron Age. For the time closest to us, it is very likely to predict: the constant rise in price of all basic necessities, and in particular food, which will increase every year. As a result, it will be followed by a breakdown of the entire financial system and the debt of all sectors of society, especially urban residents and the intelligentsia.
                5. Shur
                  Shur 4 November 2013 20: 32 New
                  +1
                  Industrial and commercial institutions will go bankrupt one after another and cease their activities or pass into the hands of foreigners. As a result of such phenomena, hunger strikes will begin, especially among the poorest sections of the urban population. Despite government assistance and charity, many people will starve to death and from the epidemics that usually accompany hunger. The hungry black people, driven to despair not by the government and not by any of the people, but by the fatal process of degeneration, will look for the alleged culprits of their misfortune and find them in government bodies, in wealthy classes of the population and in Jews in the western region. Riots, beating of wealthy and powerful people and Jewish pogroms will begin. The provinces inhabited by foreigners will take advantage of this confusion and will raise the banner of uprisings here and there, but all these attempts to violate the integrity of the state will not succeed. ”

                  Needless to say, very soon all of Moshkov’s forecasts became a reality. There were hunger riots, and class unrest, and Jewish pogroms, and riots on the outskirts. Things will even go to revolutions and the Civil War. Valentin Alexandrovich also spoke in his predictions about the threat from without. And already in the first half of the XNUMXth century, two world wars will fall on Russia.
                6. Shur
                  Shur 4 November 2013 20: 32 New
                  +1
                  Looking into the second half of the century, the general writes: “In a gradual order, selfless love for government is replaced by love or affection for the personality of the ruler. This latter concedes in turn to complete indifference. This is followed by hatred at first for the personnel of the government, and then for the government in general, combined with an irresistible desire to destroy it ... Hatred in this case is also a matter of instinct, and not reason, like love during the rise. ”

                  Moshkov paints a picture of the degradation of culture and art: “The study of science boils down to the meaningless memorization of the wisdom of earlier times and the pursuit of diplomas, which give an advantage in the struggle for existence ... They break into the literary field as something new decadence and pornography. The desire for reading disappears ... For many, the pursuit of pleasures becomes the only goal of life. People become greedy for all kinds of games, especially gambling, indulge in drunkenness, the use of all kinds of drugs, revelry and debauchery. ... Honesty in people disappears, lies and deceit become virtues. The property of others excites, besides envy, the desire to take away. Extortion, blackmail, fraud, theft and, finally, just robbery are launched. ”
                7. Shur
                  Shur 4 November 2013 20: 33 New
                  +1
                  Most interesting, perhaps, lies in the fact that General Moshkov foresaw all this not by means of divination on the Tarot cards, not by contemplating visions from the future in a basin of water and not even by receiving revelation from higher powers. He made his prophecies based on a detailed analysis of the objectively existing historical reality.
                8. Shur
                  Shur 4 November 2013 20: 40 New
                  0
                  If you believe the Russian general, then subtract 400 years from our time and what do we see? History of Russia 1613. Zemsky assembly, the election of Mikhail Romanov to the throne. In February 1613, Mikhail Romanov was elected to the Russian throne. And no matter how you twist to 1645 rules as he could. And so are the events; 1613 - 1614, September, 14 Russia, Sweden Russian defense of the Tikhvin Monastery. In 1613, the Swedish army, under the command of General J. Delagardi, approached the walls of the Tikhvin Monastery and tried to take possession of it. The monastery was defended by monks and surrounding residents. On September 14, 1614, Delagardi lifted the siege.
                  1613 - 1645 Russia The reign of Mikhail Feodorovich. Establishment of the internal order in Russia.
                  1613, February, 21 - 1917, March, 15 Russia Romanov Dynasty.
                  1614 Russia Riot of the Kyrgyz and Tomsk Tatars.
                  1614, June Russia The rebels of Ivan Zarutsky, with whom Marina Mnishek was with her, were suppressed - she was thrown into prison, her son was executed.
                  1614, July, 16 Russia, Sweden Near the village of Bronnitsa on the Msta River (30 km southwest of Novgorod), a battle broke out between the Russian and Swedish troops.
                9. Shur
                  Shur 4 November 2013 20: 42 New
                  +2
                  Interesting parallels do not find? And what I liked was or not, but the one that was a false dima was still gone from the Kremlin. Maybe it will happen again) Pts are waiting.
                10. mark021105
                  mark021105 4 November 2013 22: 26 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Asgard
                  And if any of you on November 4 raises a glass for a "virtual holiday", he will betray his HOMELAND ...


                  I don’t know who and how, but I’ll raise the cup on November 7th, for the Great October Socialist Revolution !!!
                11. ytqnhfk
                  ytqnhfk 5 November 2013 02: 25 New
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                  Maximalism mixed with incomprehensible goals lead to mistakes with incorrigible consequences
                12. radio operator
                  radio operator 5 November 2013 08: 13 New
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                  Quote: Asgard
                  And if any of you on November 4 raises a glass for a "virtual holiday", he will betray his HOMELAND ...
                  You have to LIVE with such a feeling, because "betrayal" begins with LITTLE)))

                  And I consider it a holiday. Regardless of whether the liberals consider this day to be so or not.
                  Normal, decent date.
              4. xan
                xan 4 November 2013 15: 30 New
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                Quote: hrych
                the leaders of the First Militia are completely undeservedly deleted from history, and This is Voivoda Lyapunov, Prince Trubetskoy and Ataman Zarutsky,

                Lyapunov did not understand the patriot, who supported False Dmitry 1, could not unite all patriotic forces.
                Prince Trubetskoy, an unprincipled weather vane, a supporter of all False Dmitriyevs, was not supported by his own Cossacks in the election of the king after the victory.
                Zarutsky is a dashing adventurer and bandit from the Ukrainian gentry, his last idea was the landing of the son of Marina Mnishek on the throne. At the end of the unrest, the Cossacks lost support due to clearly expressed personal interests.
                At that time, Minin and Pozharsky were the only leaders to whom the dirt did not stick.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 4 November 2013 15: 56 New
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                  There was a difficult dynastic situation, we only know the version of the Romanovs, who have been tapping it for 300 years. All that you said is accurate, but not according to history, but according to Karamzin libels, any hero can be called an adventurer from Macedonian to Prince Svyatoslav, but if the adventurer saved Russia and made corpses eat the interventionists, then he is a hero. And remember that Pozharsky is Lyapunov’s man.
            4. Alex 241
              Alex 241 4 November 2013 14: 48 New
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              1. Walker1975
                Walker1975 4 November 2013 16: 02 New
                +5
                Why can there be swastikas and ridges on the Russian march now?
                1. Jet
                  Jet 4 November 2013 21: 22 New
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                  against what they fought, then ran into ..
                2. shpuntik
                  shpuntik 5 November 2013 03: 11 New
                  +2
                  Walker1975 UA Yesterday, 16:02 ↑
                  Why can there be swastikas and ridges on the Russian march now?

                  Sergey, ento, because Mr. Hitler-Pots is naughty, he vulgarized everything in addition. Here is the video, the guys were deeply imbued there, separately from everyone, but they know this topic well, there is something to learn (this is about me first :-), you will need to look at the sky on occasion).

            5. Setrac
              Setrac 4 November 2013 15: 49 New
              +2
              Quote: Asgard
              November 4 in the History of Russia there were no memorable dates. This figure was taken from the ceiling and introduced a correction.

              And what date is not taken from the ceiling? Only Victory Day May 9th.
            6. shpuntik
              shpuntik 4 November 2013 18: 18 New
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              Asgard (2) SU Today, 13:42 ↑ New
              There is nothing to congratulate Komradov with !!!
              November 4 in the History of Russia there were no memorable dates. This figure was taken from the ceiling and ...
              (The Orthodox Church celebrates the Day of the miraculous icon of the Virgin)). THAT IS THIS HOLIDAY WITH A FLOATING DATE ..... THE BEGINNING OF THE CELEBRATION OF 1649
              Orthodox in flight)))))

              Asgard, + for patriotism. Rodnovers, children of Perun? Shirshe let's look at the problem of the Orthodox "flight". For example, the miraculous icons of BM, in the "miracle" tszt.
              About 350 icons. Almost every day of the year. And these are famous, recorded testimonies.
              Here the exact date is not so important, the main thing is that it is. Napoleon was also persecuted for a long time: when the war ended, when Moscow was liberated, entered Paris, or when he gave up the ends, as if in prison?
              let us recall (November 7) the 26th anniversary of the October Revolution, when the militiamen from the Parade on Red Square went to the front and the broadcast was broadcast throughout the WORLD, then there was a turning point in the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR and a real unity ........

              We remember that, so remember that the pedigree was interrupted ... Remove the red blindfold from the eyes. And, God forbid, we’ll all leave in a parade, from Red Square, one more time.

            7. Mature naturalist
              Mature naturalist 4 November 2013 21: 10 New
              +1
              I don’t remember where I read. Maybe on this site:
              allegorical surnames: Minin and Pozharsky.
              Mina - undermining, fire - he is the fire.
              And the Poles in the Kremlin are the remnants of Tartaria. Like Karl near Poltava. So everything is not easy in our history. And the new textbook will not give a single interpretation either.
            8. Siberiak
              Siberiak 6 November 2013 19: 57 New
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              + verse from a folk song about Minin and Pozharsky:

              Let's go, we fight
              For mother for native land
              For the native land, for the glorious city of Moscow.
              Cursed nations have already invaded Moscow,
              the poles are evil.
              We break them, we outweigh a lot,
              We will take the king of Suzmund himself to the full;
              We will free Mother Moscow from the wicked Jews,
              Wicked Jews, Poles Evil! ”
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 November 2013 08: 13 New
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          Quote: Polar
          That's when we free the Russian land from them and their heirs,

          Propose to stir up the revolution? Then there will definitely be no unification, there will be discord.
          1. vezunchik
            vezunchik 4 November 2013 10: 21 New
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            and now what ???? The unity of Amer rats and local bandits ???
            1. bolonenkov
              bolonenkov 4 November 2013 14: 08 New
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              Now there is a filling of holes that were made in the 90s. And Amer’s rats and local bandits will leave the same way as the 90s reethers.
              1. Gerurra
                Gerurra 4 November 2013 14: 57 New
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                The nineties' recorders have not gone away. Now they are collectors and bureaucrats in different guises!
                1. bolonenkov
                  bolonenkov 4 November 2013 16: 36 New
                  +1
                  You perfectly understood what I'm talking about
        3. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 4 November 2013 08: 44 New
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          Not soon will there be a complete unity of our people. The tear put by Judah Gorbachev and the drunkard puppet Yeltsin continues in Russia.
          1. Kubanets
            Kubanets 4 November 2013 12: 55 New
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            I will support But tell me the "wretched" one with whom I have to unite on this day. With the former farmer now the egg-laying Vekselberg or with the golden boy Prokhorov who invested his youth in unloading the cars, or maybe with the small speculator of the times of the USSR Berezovsky?
            1. Homo
              Homo 4 November 2013 13: 02 New
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              Quote: Kubanets
              ... with whom I should be united on this day ...

              And 140 million Russians are no longer suitable for unity? Do not narrow the circle of Russians to a few people !!!
              1. lelikas
                lelikas 4 November 2013 14: 13 New
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                Quote: Homo
                And 140 million Russians are no longer suitable for unity? Do not narrow the circle of Russians to a few people !!!

                Do you remember "Kin-dza-dza" - you put on a tsak, enter the cage and smile, smile ...
                All the holiday that the leadership "descends" on the people will never become real. Just an extra day off.
                Nobody needs to be forced to celebrate Victory Day - this is a real holiday.
                1. bolonenkov
                  bolonenkov 4 November 2013 14: 29 New
                  +3
                  The question was completely different; a person thinks that he only has the option of fraternizing with Berezovsky, and that he has no more idea that there are another 143 million people around him.
              2. 11111mail.ru
                11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 15: 12 New
                -2
                Dear, since 2005 they have been trying to unite us from the TOP. However, those sent Cossacks cannot understand the immutable FACT: the union for the sake of saving the Russian land happened from the BOTTOM, from the cattle trader Kuzma Minich to Prince Pozharsky, in spite of the supporters of Vladislav and others who have settled in the Kremlin, take off (filthy Latins). The 140 million Russians you mentioned (excuse me to call it lowercase, did not, to my regret, become LOWER, nation-forming, within the framework of the USSR and ErEfii) is, unfortunately, the "electorate".
                1. bolonenkov
                  bolonenkov 4 November 2013 16: 45 New
                  +4
                  Quote: 11111mail.ru
                  the unity in the name of saving the Russian land happened BELOW, from cattle trader Kuzma Minich to Prince Pozharsky

                  Unity from below, for money from above (boyars). Learn the story.


                  Quote: 11111mail.ru
                  The 140 million Russians you mentioned (excuse me to call it lowercase, did not, to my regret, become LOWER, nation-forming, within the framework of the USSR and ErEfii) is, unfortunately, the "electorate".

                  Well, actually for you and your birthday is not a holiday, for there are no "failed" holidays.
                  1. 11111mail.ru
                    11111mail.ru 5 November 2013 18: 31 New
                    -1
                    Quote: bolonenkov
                    Unity from below, for money from above (boyars). Learn the story.

                    With what money did Shuisky's offspring participate in the Nizhny Novgorod fold? The lower people collected money for the second militia, because the attempt of the Lyapunovs, sorry for the tautology, turned out to be a banal blunder. The money of the seven-boy ass licks, in the accounting of Kosma Minich, could in no way be used, for they were filthy. Those "best people" taken by the rebels in the Moscow Kremlin were not taken "to the nail" only because of their more noble position in relation to the "smerds". Well, if history is written by people like you, then there is no place in it for the Nizhny Novgorod cattle trader Minin and the leader of the Orthodox militia, Prince Dmitry Mikhailovich Pozharsky. This is in the first place.
                    Secondly: mr bolonenkov, the image of the current Russian coat of arms next to your transcription allows me to conclude that the use of state symbols of the Russian Federation by private individuals is unlawful.
                    Unlike your kind, I took place as an officer in the Soviet army, took the oath on August 18, 1979 in my native land. Held as a double and double grandfather. Held as a person who has not changed his beliefs for 58 years. I, mr provocateur, unlike you like I HAVE HONOR! And the day of my angel is the day of St. George the Victorious.
                    The holiday of the Russian people will be new when we severely punish all voluntary assistants of the enemies of the Russian land:
                    And if you touch it, we won’t let it go!
                    And we won’t drown in water
                    And in the fire we will not burn.

                    We treat guests of uninvited
                    Vostroy saber and lead.
                    They beat the German, they beat the lords
                    And the others, if necessary, we will break! Do not touch us - we will not touch.
                    And if you touch it, we won’t let it go!
                    And we won’t drown in water
                    And in the fire we will not burn.

                    We treat guests of uninvited
                    Vostroy saber and lead.
                    They beat the German, they beat the lords
                    And others, if necessary, we will break!
                    1. 11111mail.ru
                      11111mail.ru 5 November 2013 23: 00 New
                      -1
                      In your unsubscribes again tells of the boyar money for the militia. Let us return to the roots, you are our restless. Probably not one prince, Prince Dimitri Mikhailovich, was a patriot of the Russian, Orthodox land. The boyars, too, had to unfasten the money, BUT: some who use the money to help the Orthodox, and some who use the pennies that cover them with the lights of the Jewish self-esteem. And these cash flows did not intersect! For some reason, history, even controlled by Filaret and his nephew, did not mention sponsors, pah (God forgive me for using the newspeak!). The memory of the people was the prasol Kosma Minich, who did not spare his property (his !, and then someone else's) for the holy cause in strengthening the defense budget, but not the mythical boyars with whom you prick my eyes! Question: to the expert? OUR history - which of the historians recorded the fact of financing the Nizhny Novgorod militia by the Moscow boyars? After 1614? Yes, for God's sake ... And where have they been since taking the oath to Vladislav?
            2. lelikas
              lelikas 4 November 2013 14: 05 New
              +1
              Quote: Kubanets
              I will support But tell me the "wretched" one with whom I have to unite on this day. With the former farmer now the egg-laying Vekselberg or with the golden boy Prokhorov who invested his youth in unloading the cars, or maybe with the small speculator of the times of the USSR Berezovsky?
              - I can please you (did you understand sarcasm correctly?) - Berezovsky died, back in April, there’s no need to unite with him laughing .
              1. 11111mail.ru
                11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 15: 18 New
                +3
                Quote: lelikas
                Berezovsky died, back in April, no need to unite with him

                To be honest, the 140 million people of the former great country would love to see in the grave not only the bastard you mentioned, but also his blood brothers and patrons (as M.I. Nozhkin sang there, we wouldn’t stand the price!).
            3. 416494
              416494 4 November 2013 16: 20 New
              +3
              Everyone must unite with their neighbor.
            4. 755962
              755962 4 November 2013 17: 30 New
              +8
              Quote: Kubanets
              with whom should I be united on this day

              With Your Faith in the Showerе....
              1. alexander 2
                alexander 2 4 November 2013 22: 52 New
                +4
                To unite with their Faith in the Soul, no holiday is needed.
        4. bolonenkov
          bolonenkov 4 November 2013 14: 06 New
          0
          Quote: Polar
          Now, when we free the Russian land from them and their heirs, then the day of national unity will be


          Actually, Soviet people allowed this to happen, they first brought Gorbachev to power, then twice Yeltsin, actually profuced the country for McDonald’s and jeans, and those who were born in the Russian Federation got the right to vote only about 5 years ago, though their Soviet parents inspired in these years to them that Yeltsin and all the liberals of the 90s were not Soviet people, but already Russian. The government suffers from the same vices as society, and this played its terrible role in the 90s. All the vices that Soviet society suffered in the late 80s were clearly manifested in rallies, and in fact, in the actions of the new government, namely the craving for money, power and benefits.
          1. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 15: 35 New
            +5
            Quote: bolonenkov
            the truth over the years, their Soviet parents have inspired them that Yeltsin and all the liberals of the 90s were not Soviet people, but already Russian

            It's good to be smart like my wife later ...
            But in general, the history of the subjunctive mood does not have: yes, they were justified, but they gave their homeland to nonhumans for sale, but after all not all conscience was drunk, not all children became drug addicts.
            By the way, it was 400 years ago. In the kingdom of Moscow, Prince Vladislav ruled (emphasis on the second syllable), and here came the local lads and expelled the newcomers from the Moscow Kremlin.
            It was like that in 1942. The troops of Adolf Aloizovich in Stalingrad approached the Volga (Volga-Vоlga - russian rive et.s ....), they sent a bottle of water to their beloved in Berlin as a present, but bad luck, the lads came again from - over the Volga and such penduli they piled on the Swabians, maize and macaroni, that they stopped only in Berlin so that the so-called. to allow the "allies" to have time to sign the act of surrender in advance.
            And for criticism
            Quote: bolonenkov
            the new government, namely the craving for money, power and benefits.
            Thank you very much, write to them, and along with Mr. Obama, give Jehovah his health.
        5. Current 72
          Current 72 4 November 2013 19: 19 New
          +5
          Polar! I agree with YOU! What national unity, only on paper was it created in order to quickly steal the day of the GREAT OCTOBER REVOLUTION!
      2. a52333
        a52333 4 November 2013 08: 26 New
        41
        And I would draw another analogy: how much can be achieved if the people and the "elite" unite. Minin raised the people, and the main money was given by the Nizhny Novgorod merchants. "The thirsty hearts of the warriors quenched and covered their nakedness and he rested in everything and assembled not a small army with these deeds. ” The current merchants are clearly on the opposite side of the barricades.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 4 November 2013 09: 06 New
          54
          Quote: a52333
          The current merchants are clearly on the opposite side of the barricades.

          Yeah...
          Today one cannot find either Minin or Tretyakov. Some of the names of the current "merchants" are signs of a criminal case. laughing
      3. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq 4 November 2013 08: 34 New
        21
        Quote: Canep
        betrayal of two leaders

        I propose to replace the letter l with n in the second word .....
        1. Very old
          Very old 4 November 2013 14: 22 New
          +1
          And Minesweeper meant this. That's just the rules of the site do not allow.
      4. yurii p
        yurii p 4 November 2013 11: 13 New
        -6
        "two leaders: Marked Bears and Borka drunkards." .... and now that has changed, new figures, and the course is the same, the collapse and plundering of the country (does not apply to Putin) Yeltsin's gang is still at the helm (edrosy, as mate sounds ) Gas drives, as with a drunkard, we'll drink everything, but ... won't we disgrace?
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 15: 51 New
          +3
          A historical joke, even smart schools in schools, tell: during the war for the liberation of the Bulgarian people from the Ottoman yoke, they missed the birthday of the Emperor, therefore Dragomirov composed a telegram THREE DAY OF DRINKS FOR THE HEALTH OF YOUR IMPERIAL Majesty. Alexander the Blessed HAVE DESIGNED: it would be time to finish. Can we listen to his opinion? It seems to be the right monarch?
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 4 November 2013 18: 17 New
          +5
          Quote: yurii p
          "two leaders: the marked Bear and the drunkard Borka." .... and now what has changed, new figures, but the course is the same, the collapse and plunder of the country (does not apply to Putin)
          Why does not apply? Still as concerns.

          edros how mate sounds
      5. zart_arn
        zart_arn 4 November 2013 11: 27 New
        +9
        In 1983-2000, one could also say a time of troubles due to the betrayal of two leaders: Bears labeled and Borka the drunkard.

        You might think that now there is less turbidity. And it's too early to talk about the unity of the people - we don't even have a common idea other than vodka. Even here on the site, ideological battles sometimes flare up serious. This is what I think about it - everyone will still have different beliefs and views, but we need to get rid of hatred, contempt, and disrespect for each other and not divide each other into "pats" and "liberals" (one does not exclude the other ), "Rodnovers" and "Orthodox", "lousy intellectuals" and "lousy ignorant". We need unity, but unity is not around the current "Fuhrer", but unity with each other in a legitimate struggle for common rights:
        - for the fairness of the law and its equal application for all, - for the right to decent work and its protection,
        - for the right to respect from the authorities and the money of those who have it,
        - for the right to respect on the part of the guests (invited and not so),
        - for the right to affordable housing,
        - for the right to decent education and healthcare,
        - for the right to freely express and express one’s opinion.
        - for the right to choose.
        Agree, quite a bit, but just a lot of this is missing from us.
        "Neither God, nor the king, and not the hero" will never present this to us on a saucer, so let's unite in our just struggle (conciliation will not help us), and consent, it will come by itself if we achieve it.
        1. ytqnhfk
          ytqnhfk 5 November 2013 02: 35 New
          0
          liberal rubbish just give let give you fit on the porch there you can make capital
      6. marsavin.yu
        marsavin.yu 4 November 2013 13: 00 New
        -3
        It has not ended yet. It’s good even that the leader is normal, but without militia, you still can’t cope with the interventionists.
      7. kontrol
        kontrol 4 November 2013 16: 54 New
        +2
        yes it’s like a troubled time, it’s not over yet. look around — the rugged activity of the leadership is often just for the sake of view, so that people don’t make noise
      8. shpuntik
        shpuntik 4 November 2013 17: 55 New
        +2
        Canep SU Today, 07: 33 ↑ New
        In 1983-2000, one could also say a time of troubles due to the betrayal of two leaders: Bears labeled and Borka the drunkard.

        This is what is in sight. We dig deeper: Trotskyists before and after Joseph Dzhugashvili.
      9. Siberian German
        Siberian German 5 November 2013 03: 17 New
        +1
        Yes, but unfortunately there were no new Minin and Pozharsky
    2. bodriy
      bodriy 4 November 2013 08: 19 New
      22
      Glory to the heroism of our ancestors, our fraternal peoples !!!
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    3. Warrawar
      Warrawar 4 November 2013 08: 22 New
      16
      Quote: Sewer
      Everything is on the Russian March! We will show that there are many of us and we are power. Which will turn the head of the Khazar Kaganate! Hello Rusichi! soldier

      Today I am also going to the Russian March!
      1. Normal
        Normal 4 November 2013 09: 53 New
        13
        Quote: Warrawar
        Today I am also going to the Russian March!

        And I’m going to work today, mark for me.
      2. Sosed74
        Sosed74 4 November 2013 09: 57 New
        -5
        You go out into the streets - and one drunk, one drunkard around. Everyone thumps, whose face is full, whose fists are broken. And this is in a big city - a millionaire. In villages, I’m so afraid to imagine how people celebrate this holiday.
        And in general - if you look closely - you can see that the people are poor, becoming poorer and poorer. Men are thumping, youth is poisoned (drug addicts are simply SEA - every 2-3 at the age of 18-30 years old are smoked at least daily), the streets are full of pests. No morality, nothing sacred - one thing. Those who work are head over heels in loans (each resident of the Chelyabinsk region sticks out at an average of 45.000 rubles for banks, each resident of Russia on average owes 20.000 rubles - including infants).
        I'm afraid that all this will lead not to unity - but to the new 90s. And they will happen in the year 15, 16. There will be a massacre is not weak. Because of the wild stratification of society. On the one hand, wealthy (of which 15-20%), on the other hand, poverty (alcoholics, drug addicts, visitors, etc., etc.). And no police can handle it. There will be a massacre.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 4 November 2013 10: 16 New
          +7
          Quote: Sosed74
          I'm afraid that all this will lead not to unity - but to the new 90s. And they will happen in the year 15, 16

          Let's clarify that hesitate in the 17th!
          Only not with us

          wink
        2. Archibald
          Archibald 4 November 2013 10: 32 New
          11
          Just do not say that loan lovers are also victims of the current regime. These are victims of a craving for a freebie and a consequence of the mental degeneration of a significant part of the population.
          1. tomket
            tomket 4 November 2013 11: 22 New
            +5
            In America, for example, legislation justifiably believes that in terms of loans, the population is like small children who need an eye and an eye, this business is very well written in the laws, and if some bank decides to give out a consumer loan, say more 20%, if I'm not mistaken , then the next day the employees of this bank will leave to serve a term, and not small. Business can be at any percentage you like, for that they are businessmen, but with the population you are welcome.
          2. grafrozow
            grafrozow 4 November 2013 13: 45 New
            +5
            Quote: Archibald
            Just do not say that loan lovers are also victims of the current regime. These are victims of a craving for a freebie and a consequence of the mental degeneration of a significant part of the population.
            You are right about the fool and the vinegar.
        3. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 4 November 2013 10: 38 New
          25
          And in general - if you look closely - you can see that the people are poor, becoming poorer and poorer. ...
          I'm afraid that all this will lead not to unity - but to the new 90s.


          The question of the unity of the rich and the poor, the comprador bourgeoisie and the people cannot be in principle.
          What unity can we talk about in modern plundered oligarchs of Russia?
          What unity of the people and the authorities, stricken with corruption, betrayal can we talk about?
          Modern Russia needs new Minin and Pozharsky, or Stalin, who can pull Russia out of the new Time of Troubles!
        4. tomket
          tomket 4 November 2013 10: 38 New
          0
          as Miliukov said: the cadets are not rifle people; I think it is clear who wins.
        5. borisjdin1957
          borisjdin1957 4 November 2013 11: 05 New
          +5
          from the Don.
          It’s gloomy! I myself live in the village and drunks, fights, drug addicts through 3 young people, we have no visitors! I understand that the country is big, but not so bad. For loans, there is such a letter!
        6. MAKCs
          MAKCs 4 November 2013 11: 08 New
          15
          Quote: Sosed74
          In villages, I’m so afraid to imagine how people celebrate this holiday.

          Do not celebrate.
          At least I have never noticed this. request
        7. marsavin.yu
          marsavin.yu 4 November 2013 13: 07 New
          +2
          So you describe your company? And what at once do you dump all the people? Wake up and wipe your eyes!
        8. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 4 November 2013 13: 27 New
          +8
          Quote: Sosed74
          On the one hand, wealthy (of which 15-20%), on the other hand, poverty (alcoholics, drug addicts, visitors, etc., etc.).

          I didn’t know that 80% of us, in your understanding, are completely drunks and drug addicts. "You will go far" with such views. Do you consider yourself to be a drunkard, a drug addict or a newcomer ??? Or do you consider yourself wealthy?
          1. Sosed74
            Sosed74 4 November 2013 18: 47 New
            -3
            Quote: ramzes1776
            I didn’t know that 80% of us, in your understanding, are completely drunks and drug addicts. "You will go far" with such views. Do you consider yourself to be a drunkard, a drug addict or a newcomer ??? Or do you consider yourself wealthy?

            To the wealthy. For drug addicts, alcoholics and other scum - in general, do not give a damn about everything except the bottle and the dose. And they do not delve into anything except where to get the lave for a bottle / dose.
            Quote: marsavin.yu
            So you describe your company? Why are you dumping all the people at once? Wake up and wipe your eyes

            Protra. Russia - 1st place in the world in Heroin consumption, 1st place in the world in alcoholism. This is my friend, you need to get out of a warm apartment and walk a pawn on the evening courtyards and back streets. In the trams there to ride - closer to the people to stay. And you know, Russia - it doesn’t download at the McDonald's and Lightning with KinoMaks alone.
            Of course - you can live in the center, where the police go around every step of the way and have lanterns and resting guys with girls and spit in the outskirts, in the workers' factory districts, where every fence is covered with SPICE advertising. Where on each bench, each stall has a bruise. But then there’s no need to yap here about how everything is gorgeous with us. Gender of the country is drunks and drug addicts, the rest are pensioners and children. Normal% 20 - no more.
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 4 November 2013 19: 09 New
              +2
              Quote: Sosed74
              . But then there’s no need to yap here about how everything is gorgeous with us. Gender of the country is drunks and drug addicts, the rest are pensioners and children. Normal% 20 - no more.

              In contrast to optimists, there are pessimists. But you are neither that nor that. You read the opsvodki of our valiant police, sit in the evening at the oppunk somehow, then you would understand that the words
              Quote: Sosed74
              . Gender of the country is drunks and drug addicts, the rest are pensioners and children. Norm% 20 - no more
              You wrote it in haste without thinking and, frankly, not a h .. not knowing the true state of affairs!
              Why did you get my always drunk and chopped Rus, if you paid attention ?!
              Nietzsche: “Push the falling one!”
              ?
        9. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 4 November 2013 13: 36 New
          +7
          Quote: Sosed74
          In villages, I’m so afraid to imagine how people celebrate this holiday.

          they just don’t notice him, went to the pharmacy in the district center, silence and grace of neither the people nor the cops, the Holiday was November 7, and this is so an occasion
        10. bolonenkov
          bolonenkov 4 November 2013 14: 12 New
          -1
          Quote: Sosed74
          You go out into the streets - and one drunk, one drunkard around. Everyone thumps, whose face is full, whose fists are broken.

          Drinking or not drinking, injecting or not injecting is everyone’s personal choice, no matter what reasons or excuses he comes up with for this.
          1. Sosed74
            Sosed74 4 November 2013 18: 55 New
            +1
            The choice is the choice. Only a person performs most actions while looking at others.
            The same youth - they completely smoke or thump, looking at the older 30-year-old *****, or at propaganda about how to smoke weed.
            The same girls 16-year-old brats walk on the streets and beer or Jaguar whip.
            It's not all from the ceiling.
            The current generation is wretched, drunk and chipped - the next one will die out altogether.
            For we are exterminated as a NATION - by Tobacco, Alcohol and Drug.
          2. PSih2097
            PSih2097 4 November 2013 19: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: bolonenkov
            Quote: Sosed74
            You go out into the streets - and one drunk, one drunkard around. Everyone thumps, whose face is full, whose fists are broken.

            Drinking or not drinking, injecting or not injecting is everyone’s personal choice, no matter what reasons or excuses he comes up with for this.

            Well, here you are even very wrong ... There will be no supply - there will be no demand. You know how much it costs to remove a person from gerycha - to hell (it’s in your states that they distribute methadone in drug clinics), I personally had to pay about $ 15 to remove my girlfriend (friend in a skirt) and this not counting all sorts of nannies and honey sisters ... I declare - drugs - EVIL, and not with a capital letter, but with a capital letter ...
            Many may object - like drugs are used by those who have no brains or they haven’t invested in them ... I can object - this is our state’s fault, which ruined education, where drug control, along with SD, protects the pushers, gold youth advertises a new lifestyle brought from YOU from Europe and the USA ...
            Quote: Sosed74
            For we are exterminated as a NATION - by Tobacco, Alcohol and Drug.

            not only with this, it’s still not clear why and with what consequences, GM products, it’s not clear what the clothes are made from and so on and so forth ...
            We Russians remember for a very long time the EVIL done to us - and it will be rewarded with a hundredfold, not now, not even tomorrow, but vengeance will find recipients - not you, but your children, your grandchildren - great-grandchildren ...
            purely my personal IMHO
    4. Andrey from Tver
      Andrey from Tver 4 November 2013 10: 15 New
      31
      Quote: Sewer
      We show that there are many of us and we are power. Which will turn the head of the Khazar Kaganate!
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 4 November 2013 12: 57 New
        +5
        We begin to "kindle" little by little. Well, right!
        Now it will ban everyone who has just "plus" the picture at once.
        And I do not care. - "In the world and" death "is not terrible." (from)
        Together even more fun!
        Happy Holidays, brothers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope that with a REASON!
        1. smile
          smile 4 November 2013 13: 23 New
          +3
          Ptah
          What are you happy about?
          To the fact that some are either idiots or enemies make a fire in the middle of our apartment, called Russia? Do you want to kill Russia with the help of nationalism?
          Who was banned? What is such a death on the world? Do you consider ban death for inciting ethnic hatred? Adnaka you are a warrior ... computer ... :)))
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 4 November 2013 13: 31 New
            -1
            The root mistakes of Ptah, Death on the world is RED. And strongly reminds an anecdote: a military man, a watch and a smoked stepped on his foot.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 4 November 2013 13: 34 New
            17
            "Friendship of peoples" at the expense of the Russian population will ruin Russia even faster. Russian nationalism is not a reason, not an "instrument of collapse." This is just the reaction of the population to what is happening
            1. smile
              smile 4 November 2013 14: 03 New
              +7
              Lopatov
              Yes you are right. But only in part. It is worthwhile to pay attention to the one who is at the forefront, I mean the radicals. Where they can lead Russia, I hope, is clear to everyone. The radicalization of the patriotic part of our society and their departure towards fascism (look, they even have similar symbols, think by chance?) Will simply destroy Russia. And it is the patriots who are simply obliged to mercilessly fight the fascist elements.
              By the way, pay attention - sometimes Russophobes from the former republics appear here on the site. To justify their position, they all refer to what? It is correct that we have Natsiks, declaring that we are all like that. Therefore, it is worth considering who benefits from the "incitement" that Ptah so warmly approves.
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 4 November 2013 14: 28 New
                +5
                Quote: smile
                By the way, pay attention - sometimes Russophobes from the former republics appear on the site here. Justifying their position, they all refer to what? Correctly, we have Natsik, declaring that we are all like that.

                Greetingssmilehappy holiday!

                And now, partly on the content of the article and your comment:
                - Should 4 be considered November as a holiday, with the content that is currently being invested in it?
                I think yes, there was a historical fact, before the Great October Socialist Revolution it was widely celebrated by the people ...
                AND UNITS SO not enough now.

                And regarding the fact that "sometimes" militant Russophobes come to visit, I would like to note that the presence of "Nazis" in our country (a fact that is extremely shameful in itself) does not in any way affect the attitude of the "guests" to Russia.
                They just hate us, and whatever we do, their attitude towards the Russian Federation will be unchanged.
                So spit and grind ...
                1. smile
                  smile 4 November 2013 14: 50 New
                  +5
                  Corsair
                  Great boules!
                  In general, you are right ... but still the presence of even a meager number of Natsiks greatly affects the attitude of our neighbors towards all of us. I was convinced of this more than once - with the skillful presentation of material about our Natsik about us, such propaganda masterpieces are blurry, Goebbels will be envious.
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 4 November 2013 15: 13 New
                    +2
                    Quote: smile
                    In general, you are right ...

                    The "cons" in the comments from the "Russophobes" confirm this ...
              2. mountain
                mountain 4 November 2013 14: 39 New
                +5
                I am very sorry that I can’t put my eyes on you anymore. We would have gone far and the result would not have kept us waiting. Thinking and reasoning like you.
                1. mountain
                  mountain 4 November 2013 14: 45 New
                  +3
                  Smile, my comment to you.)))
                  1. smile
                    smile 4 November 2013 19: 29 New
                    +3
                    mountain
                    Thank you.
                    And ours to you with a brush! :)))) It is especially nice when a like-minded person is MOUNTAIN :)))) forgive me, such a comedian .... :)))
              3. 11111mail.ru
                11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 16: 03 New
                -5
                Quote: smile
                This is just a reaction of the population to what is happening.

                Exactly:
                proletarians of all countries, unite, our strength, our will, our power,
                Last battle, the proletarian, get together who is not with us = our enemy, he must fall!
                1. smile
                  smile 5 November 2013 01: 35 New
                  +4
                  11111mail.ru
                  You can know Lermontov ... bad,
                  can Blok read ... in short,
                  can Fet not read ... at all,
                  but there’s a limit to everything ... brothers !!!!

                  Do you understand? There is a limit to everything ... and here you are calling for the last battle .... in the rhyme, the mention of "will" brings bad associations to the "Triumph of the Will" .... the National Bolsheviks froze ... sorry ..... but everything there is a limit ...
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                  2. 11111mail.ru
                    11111mail.ru 5 November 2013 19: 16 New
                    -1
                    Quote: smile
                    the National Bolsheviks are dead ... sorry ..... but there is a limit to everything ....

                    He had nothing to do with Mr. Limonov’s fans, but you’ve hooked, you know, your tolerant rhyme, therefore, in the sequel:
                    But there’s a limit to everything, brother!
                    If you consider -the GOEM,
                    They and Lermontov are not their brother,
                    Even Fet and Block are not from their field!
                    After all, they used to stink us:
                    Brushwood YOU for the world carnage!
                    But Joseph Stalin answered them-
                    Ice ax! Well, and how, remembered?
              4. shpuntik
                shpuntik 4 November 2013 18: 53 New
                +1
                smile (2) RU Today, 14:03 PM ↑ New
                Therefore, it is worth considering who benefits from the "incitement" that Ptah so warmly approves.

                Vladimir, "incitement" in quotes. Anneal, light ... It's time to extinguish, don't you think? What do you think of these people?

                1. smile
                  smile 4 November 2013 22: 42 New
                  +2
                  shpuntik
                  And what is there to answer? Unhappy people to whom God did not give reason ... you see, they are wandering around, the slogans "Judaism is a religion of hate" ... there is nothing more to do ... where was the last time you saw a believing Jew? ... so they are not saw ..... yua little people that they are led, squeeze out the fury .... populists selling saints ... sssssdogs .... no more words.
                  А
                  1. shpuntik
                    shpuntik 4 November 2013 23: 39 New
                    +1
                    smile (2) RU Today, 22:42 PM ↑ New
                    shpuntik
                    ... you see, they are wandering around, the slogans "Judaism is a religion of hate" ...... there is nothing more to do ...

                    good Hanging around? Actually, a letter is being filed with the prosecutor. With 5000 signatures on a specific topic.
                    where did you last see a believing Jew? ... so they did not see ...

                    And where did they go? This book was published for the first time in Russian, who did it if not the Jews? You speak against the "Nazis" and "fascists", but Zionism is recognized as a kind of fascism, and not by anyone, but in the UN.
                    These young people are hot for a reason. Because adults don't do anything. And this is defense, this is not a "Kalash" in every home, as in the Caucasus.
                    Why are Russians denied unity?



              5. bilgesez
                bilgesez 4 November 2013 19: 04 New
                +5
                And where you ALREADY brought us to like. In the current situation, only nationalism can save the Russians. Until we realize that we are RUSSIAN and NOBODY has ever provided assistance to us, we will not be able to get out of this shit.
                1. smile
                  smile 4 November 2013 23: 23 New
                  +2
                  bilgesez
                  SSSSSudar, that is, you do not care that someone destroyed the Union precisely with the help of nationalism? It is strange to hear slogans about scooping up their shit from someone who is trying to drive us deeper into it .... SSSSS, you are a short-sighted person, you are not able to figure out what the implementation of your simple slogans can lead to ... it's honestly annoying ... strongly ... sorry to be harsh, but these are the most tolerant words that I have found. I, such a hamlo, got used to express myself so that the monitor refuses to print ... and the moderators will beat. I can advise you one thing - think, think and think again, analyze the texts and statements of your leaders ... maybe you will understand what they are ... and if you don’t understand, then you’re standing there, people, like an old pedril Lemon ...
                  1. 11111mail.ru
                    11111mail.ru 5 November 2013 19: 30 New
                    0
                    Quote: smile
                    you are a short-sighted person

                    Aren't you ashamed, a priori, to set your opponent's IQ? Immediately mark with your odorous secretions, everyone and everything? Where is the discussion? At one time, Mr. G.Kh.Popov "charmed" the progressive public with his readiness to lay down his life for the opportunity to speak out to his opponent! Be worthy of the light-memorable-democratic aura of Gabriel Kharitonovich!
          3. Ptah
            Ptah 4 November 2013 14: 10 New
            +5
            Quote: smile
            What are you happy about?
            To the fact that some are either idiots or enemies make a fire in the middle of our apartment, called Russia?

            Volodya! Speaking in your style, I'm not going to "light a fire in the apartment", but when there is such "SMOKE" - here either run or extinguish until it flares up, and not shout "guard or amen".
            Sorry, but I hope we will have a reason to "debate" about.
            that they want to kill Russia with the help of nationalism?
            And now I am disconnecting - we are going to visit. drinks

            Quote: smile
            Do you consider ban death for inciting ethnic hatred? Adnaka you are a warrior ... computer ... :)

            I believethat he himself is not old, not heal, and I have something to protect. So in which case - I will not sit out in the cellar, so as not to get into another (zindan).
            In the meantime, K.G. "what can I do at this stage and in this situation" hi
            1. smile
              smile 4 November 2013 14: 53 New
              +3
              Ptah
              Guests are sacred. In this case, scandal then. :)))) Happy holiday!
          4. PSih2097
            PSih2097 4 November 2013 19: 33 New
            +3
            Quote: smile
            Do you want to kill Russia with the help of nationalism?

            with the help of nationalism of the titular nation, not a single state has been killed yet, if you want to cite Hitler as an example, you don’t need to - he was an Austrian, German, but still an Austrian ... It’s like if we have Kadyrov Jr. at the helm
            1. Androsh
              Androsh 4 November 2013 19: 48 New
              +5
              Hitler was not only Austrian but also half Jewish .. and his party was sponsored by America ..
              1. shpuntik
                shpuntik 5 November 2013 01: 30 New
                +2
                Androsh RU Yesterday, 19:48 ↑
                Hitler was not only Austrian but also half Jewish .. and his party was sponsored by America.

                This Punchinelle's secret was only in the USSR, as "My Struggle" was banned, in contrast to the SHA.
                Partly because representatives of the same nationality are mentioned there as the organizers of the 1917 coup, the killers of the royal family.

            2. smile
              smile 4 November 2013 20: 37 New
              +2
              PSih2097
              At one time, we normally communicated with Shamil ..... what, in vain? And there was more Russian blood on it ..... Not a single multinational state with such slogans was something that didn’t survive, it wasn’t created ... and yes, I want to give an example of Hitler — Germany for the Germans — its slogan ... Where did it go Third Reich? look at the Baltic states- their fascist slogans brought them to the trash of history ...... look at the Asian republics, what did Russophobian slogans bring them to? And do not think that we are different — we are all the same — we will become fascists — the kirdyk will come to us instantly.
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 4 November 2013 21: 06 New
                +5
                Quote: smile
                And do not think that we are different — we are all the same — we will become fascists — the kirdyk will come to us instantly.

                Fascism is not the way for Russia, my family, school, society (that "filthy Soviet", as many like to say now am ) brought up by an internationalist, or something request .
                And I would like to see my country again a multinational state without any vile manifestations of extremism.

                Yes, while it seems utopian, but you need to fight ...
              2. PSih2097
                PSih2097 4 November 2013 23: 41 New
                +3
                Quote: smile
                At one time, we normally communicated with Shamil ..... what, in vain? And there was more Russian blood on it .....

                More than Hitler or Cadillos? I’m talking about the fact that Stalin was first a Bolshevik and only then a citizen of the USSR and a Georgian, unlike our republican ...
                1. shpuntik
                  shpuntik 5 November 2013 02: 38 New
                  0
                  PSih2097 (3) SU Yesterday, 23:41 PM ↑
                  ... I’m talking about the fact that Stalin was first a Bolshevik and only then a citizen of the USSR and a Georgian, unlike our republican ...

                  Alexander is true: under Stalin there was order.
                  Here a veteran, a living witness, says about Stalin:



                  Ah, here the Chechen speaks:
              3. 11111mail.ru
                11111mail.ru 5 November 2013 19: 49 New
                +1
                VI Ulyanov in his work "One step forward, two steps back" bequeathed: BEFORE UNITING, IT IS NECESSARY TO DISCOVER!
                Quote: smile
                At one time, we normally communicated with Shamil.

                From now on, dear smile, it would be possible in more detail. The absolute majority with Shamil-2 had no contacts!
                Quote: smile
                we are different, we are all the same, we will become fascists

                Zionism, as one of the varieties of misanthropic ideology, was canceled through the UN about 15 years ago. Ostracize a flying quote from Shulchan Aruch: THE BEST OF A GAY KILL! Then your exhortations will make sense and weight! In the meantime, all: blah blah blah E.T.S
          5. Apollo
            Apollo 4 November 2013 19: 39 New
            +9
            Quote: smile
            Ptah
            What are you happy about?
            To the fact that some are either idiots or enemies make a fire in the middle of our apartment, called Russia? Do you want to kill Russia with the help of nationalism?
            Who was banned? What is such a death on the world? Do you consider ban death for inciting ethnic hatred? Adnaka you are a warrior ... computer ... :)))


            Good evening Vladimir! hi

            I was not too lazy and carefully scrupulously familiarized myself with every comment. Before I could express my idea, I was briefly told about myself in Soviet times (it’s understandable that I’m already old enough), well, I understand that the secondary school followed by the military service then there was time that I managed to work and in short, at the molders' factory, he went through the conceivable and inconceivable steps of hierarchical service activity. As they say, I have seen everyone in my life. Here from here I turn to my main thought, namely, No one has ever managed to destroy Russia, Russia, but the Guys managed not without the help of the fifth column to destroy our USSR home, on 15 fragments, to the foundations. What we end up with are the so-called 15 sovereign states. Why are the so-called yes because if you take essentially the republics legally break up and basically the union exists in as a formal CIS. Why formal yes because sometimes decisions made by individual heads of state are not implemented, and if they are not implemented, we will write in a truncated form. That is, in other words, the CIS in its purest form It’s a confederation. I think that no one will dispute such an obvious fact. Someone can object to my comments here, they will be somewhat in view of the large volume and these comments are by the way and exactly today. At the end I will explain. my main point.
            to be continued
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 4 November 2013 20: 03 New
              +3
              Developing my thought further, I would like to note one of the most important points, namely, neither in the First World War nor the Second World Russia the Russian Empire collapsed, but in the shortest time the country, later called the USSR, was revived. Thanks to the USSR, the country perked up and stood on its feet, More that went by leaps and bounds, collectivization went through industrialization, it could not do without mistakes and excesses, it could not do without the tragic pages of our history with you all. I will not focus your attention and take away your precious time, I don’t intend to go down in history, many of you already know everything, but what you don’t know can be enriched by knowledge and fill in the gaps from the Internet, since now it’s almost everyone’s in the house. So the most vulnerable is the national question, it is through this question, the enemies They are trying to undermine and ultimately ruin Russia as a state in the literal and figurative sense of the word. I remember how now, although many years have passed since I argued with the examiner about the concept of the state, the debate concerned the animation of the concept of the state. My position I animate-state, as a member of the citizens and therefore of zhivyh.Pishu this to the fact that the state although it consists of citizens but belongs to one or another national prosloyke.Pochemu survived the Soviet Union, so that, or rather someone ?! It’s the people. You can destroy the state, you can subject its leaders to humiliation but you can’t defeat the people. Minin and Pozharsky won thanks to the people, relying on the people and saved the state from complete destruction. When I mean the people, I mean all nationalities living in Russia. Today is the day of national unity Today is not only the state of the forming people, but the day of all the nations and nationalities inhabiting Russia.
              to be continued
              1. Apollo
                Apollo 4 November 2013 20: 31 New
                +3
                Today, in many information resources and for several days this was widely advertised that the Russian march would take place (I want to make a reservation at once, I personally have nothing against it), but for God's sake, but someone thought about the fact that in a particular region of Russia, it will pass for example, the Bashkir march, or the Tatar and even Yakutsk or Tuvinsky. ancestors have been building the state for millennia. Why are you destroying what was created for millennia. Again, they may object to me what to do then, how to stop violence, ethnic violence migrants. This is all the consequence, but we must look for the cause.And then the overwhelming majority of migrants are citizens of the former union, that is, they are children or offspring of the parents of once full citizens of the USSR. Why do some have a short memory, why did we forget everything so quickly ?! Returning to the same march, I probably and some of you probably guessed that the Russian march under the guise of patriots, by the way I prefer this word, will be joined by those faces for for whom Russia is an empty phrase, for whom mercantile interests are above all, for whom there is nothing sacred, for whom to beat or maim a person just because he is of a different skin color, of a different nationality of religion. It has reached the point of absurdity and complete insanity, when not only "strangers are beaten" "but our own, yes yes citizens of Russia. Someone will not like it, but the truth must be looked into the eyes and not turned away, read, look and analyze.

                Note to the title of the spread by me infe, mine, not nationalists but fascists.

                The nationalists who brutally beat a Muscovite, opened a case under a soft article

                The metropolitan police regarded the teenagers' attack on 42-year-old Yury Dolzhenko as "inflicting moderate bodily harm," although the man himself assures: they wanted to kill him.
                The crime, committed by nationalist participants in the action called "White Car", took place on October 24. As reported on Monday, November 4, a spokesman for the Moscow headquarters of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, two participants in the attack have been detained at the moment.

                - On this fact, a criminal case was initiated in the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs in the Losinoostrovsky District under part 2 art. 112 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (intentional infliction of moderate severity of harm to health). - Given the age of the suspects, all materials were transferred to the territorial unit of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation.

                The maximum punishment provided for in Article 112 of the Criminal Code is 5 years of imprisonment. At the same time, Yuri Dolzhenko himself assures: they wanted to kill him.

                That evening, after work, Yuri took the 3-year-old son Makism from the kindergarten, brought him home and, at the request of his wife, went to the grocery store.

                - I go, I look - they stand. Group of teenagers. Well, stand and stand. Suddenly they ran. Why - it is not clear. It turned out that they were running at me. And then it was too late. He tried to brush it off, got it on the head, fell, began to kick with his feet. Silently, without saying anything. I tried to tell them: "Guys, are you stunned." And they: "Be quiet, .....", Dolzhenko said in an interview with Life News. - Woke up already from the fact that my friend was fiddling with me. It was lucky that her husband was returning home and in time frightened them away. And so - God knows what it would be ...
                to be continued
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 4 November 2013 20: 37 New
                  +2
                  five minutes after Yuri left the house, her friend called Nail.

                  - He calls from Yura’s phone, shouts: “Run quickly into the yard, your Yurka is lying with a broken head, he was beaten by youngsters,” says Naila, the wife of Yuri Dolzhenko. - She came out - she is covered in blood, her ribs are broken, she cannot breathe. Thank you friends for calling the ambulance. They took me to the hospital, then I went to the police, the eldest son arrived, went to comb the yards ...

                  Naila believes that her husband only miraculously did not lose his life.

                  - As the husband says, they beat him to kill or mutilate. His lung was wrapped up because two ribs were broken. Well, the head injury ... is open, says Naila. - The consequences can be in two or three years. And meningitis, and anything else. And with the lungs again ... Nobody knows. The consequences can be very serious.

                  Both Yuri and his wife understand that most of the attackers are likely to get off with a slight fright. True, Nailya is still convinced that the case was initiated under a "heavier" article of the Criminal Code - infliction of grievous bodily harm.

                  - There were 10 people, two of them are already in jail. Article 111, part 3 - from 3 to eight years. Of course, I want to put everyone in prison, but we have a humane state. That is, someone will be given a “condition,” Naila believes. - Someone just was present at all - again, they will conditionally give.
                  who are interested in more details here http://lifenews.ru/#!news/122211

                  to be continued
                  1. Apollo
                    Apollo 4 November 2013 20: 59 New
                    +6
                    Now about the situation as a whole, the citizens of Russia complain that the migrants have bred, and that they have fallen from the moon or have arrived from Mars?! They must have crossed the border by what transport, you write, the answer is, who is very much in danger. Besides CIS citizens committing crimes on the territory of Russia, and that Russian citizens do not commit crimes?! So the thing is different, in the very right system. In the absence of clear governing laws, in corruption of officials, it can continue indefinitely.So first of all you need to restore order in the country,law enforcement agencies need to be put in order, not to engage in reforms for the sake of reforms and idle talk, to strengthen official discipline and tighten laws, introduce limited quotas for able-bodied citizens from neighboring countries and cover the shop for those who are trying to destabilize the socio-political situation in Russia itself.The game of all kinds of democracy has gone too far in my opinion and it’s becoming too long. Democracy is not permissiveness, but a clear and unambiguous rule of law in all areas. And where there is law and order there will not be any kind of ethnic organized crime groups and, accordingly, crime. Citizens in this case will not come out with protests and there will be no need for any kind of marches. In my opinion, if marches are carried out under the motto March of Russia.
                    Now, regarding my main thought, the strength of Russia in the consolidation and unity of all peoples, showing an example to the once breakaway other states of the near abroad, does not repel other peoples and states, namely, to attract. It is by the example that we must contribute and we must begin with ourselves, with us members of the forum, whom we are read in the CIS.
                    Thank you for attention hi
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 4 November 2013 21: 33 New
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                      Quote: Apollon
                      Thank you for attention

                      Thank Apollon The presentation style and vocabulary are impeccable.
                      "And justice is one for all."
                      In a country called the USSR, in almost all of its 15 republics, law enforcement agencies worked, as they say, "conscientiously" (no matter how funny it was to anyone).
                      Corruption in the police today has led the people to take up lynching, without waiting for the offender to be released 2 hours after the arrest, or not acquitted in the courtroom "for lack of corpus delicti honor and conscience of the judges ".
                      My opinion.
                      Today, RUSSIANS in Russia are FORCED to defend themselves in the literal sense of the word. And in defense - all methods are good.
                      And not a single Russian, Orthodox, in his right mind will go unnecessarily to the republics of the North Caucasus.
                      Maybe he wrote crookedly and abruptly - I'm sorry I managed.
                    2. smile
                      smile 4 November 2013 21: 51 New
                      0
                      Apollo
                      Attention is provided.
                      YOUR quote: the strength of Russia in the consolidation and unity of all peoples,
                      That's all ... enough, further "It is by example and we must contribute here and we must start with ourselves, with us members of the forum, we are read in the CIS space." Everything is clear ... we are trying ....... and the organizers I would take Russian marches by the shkiryatnik and poke a pug into what is their ideology ... there is a feeling of disgust when you try to figure out what they consider their platform ... bastards ... more tolerant I have no words.
                  2. Cynic
                    Cynic 4 November 2013 21: 03 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Apollon
                    Both Yuri and his wife understand that most attackers are likely to get off with a slight startle.

                    Unfortunately, it’s not uncommon.
                    You can of course focus on the national question, but then you really need to paint the whole picture. And this is very difficult to do.
                    To put it mildly, he himself lived in blessed Soviet times in the region of _ Aliens do not go here.
                  3. shpuntik
                    shpuntik 5 November 2013 01: 11 New
                    +2
                    Apollon AZ Yesterday, 20:37 ↑
                    - There were 10 people, two of them are already in jail. Article 111, part 3 - from 3 to eight years.

                    Those who, several years ago, ran with hammers and filmed on camera. They were planted by the way.
                    Here it bothers me: 1) Everything is on camera, clearly visible.
                    2) The fact that the news got into the news is too quick.
                    3) And then, more, that "floats" on 04 November.
                    Is it possible that the provocateur worked? A victim is planned in advance, are neighboring teenagers prepared?
                    The guy is certainly a pity, well done for surviving. It’s not his fault that his face is like that of an Azerbaijani, apparently Russified already, speaks excellent Russian, an absolutely normal person, a family man.
                    And these guys go on the warpath, because we adults don't do a damn thing. We do not understand a damn thing that our government is doing. This was talked about seven years ago, when only Ramodanovsky was put up, and he voiced the idea of ​​the resettlement of compatriots. Instead of them, greyhound migrants caught up. In addition, employers often throw them with a salary, settle as animals of some kind, they have additional motivation from this.
                    I'm not talking about the Islamists, who have a Russian woman, as a synonym for a walking woman. On the one hand, they themselves are to blame, they could have worn skirts more authenticly, but it’s difficult to turn back — American culture has been skated.
                    In general, I conclude: while we have today's (non-Russian) power, it will be so. Apollo, the same scheme works as you do with the Armenians, there is Soviet Nakhichevan, Karabakh .. Divide and conquer the labor market.

                    http://zerkalov.org.ua/node/5566
                    http://www.pravda-tv.ru/2012/01/24/11502

                    1. Yuri Y.
                      Yuri Y. 5 November 2013 09: 35 New
                      +1
                      The phonogram, strange, exalts the Russians. Although I'm glad about that.
                    2. Cynic
                      Cynic 5 November 2013 17: 27 New
                      0
                      Quote: shpuntik
                      Here it bothers me: 1) Everything is on camera, clearly visible.
                      2) The fact that the news got into the news is too quick.
                      3) And then, more, that "floats" on 04 November.

                      And here is nothing personal, only business.
                      You forgot that there are sites making money from showing scenes of violence, scenes .... All human vices can be found on the net! And their show is profitable!
                      And about speed and timeliness. I am surprised to you. _ Do you really think that the network is not being monitored, especially such sites? I’m not talking about services, reporters, as if without it.
                      hi
              2. smile
                smile 4 November 2013 20: 52 New
                +2
                Apollo
                That's it. You would have to write articles ... to be honest, I am very sorry that you are not my compatriot. Nothing to add ...... would draw you to writing our history textbook ..... but alas ...
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 4 November 2013 21: 17 New
                  +4
                  Quote: smile
                  To be honest, I'm very sorry that you are not my compatriot. Nothing to add ...... would draw you to writing our history textbook ..... but alas ...


                  Unfortunately lit up in the literal and figurative sense of the word in national apartments.
                  1. smile
                    smile 4 November 2013 22: 08 New
                    +3
                    Apollo
                    Yes ... and those idiots who joyfully welcome this division are infuriating ... I will never forget the booze (our release) with Shukur, balayasha, Chekhladze and Kalchinsky (we were called the Transcaucasian faction on the course) when Balayan and Shukur Gubadov in the summer of 92 returned from home, I visited my Chechen relatives, where I got a through knife hole in my thigh for being "Russian" ... and we all got together, ate vodka, discussing the topic - who threw us apart, what could be done, and what only the Russians will be able to collect everything ... if they themselves don't fight ...
                    1. shpuntik
                      shpuntik 5 November 2013 02: 23 New
                      +1
                      Marshal
                      smile (2) RU Yesterday, 22:08 PM ↑
                      and we all got together, ate vodka, discussing the topic-who divorced us, what can be done, and that only the Russians will be able to collect everything ... if they don’t get into a fight .....

                      smile, I personally, in the bottom line like this:
                      The evil spirit is a fallen angel who fell away from God due to his pride. He is “a liar and father of lies” (John 8:44) “Seducing the whole universe” (Rev. 12: 9). He inspires man with evil thoughts and desires. This evil spirit incites man to murmur against God.
                      The apostle, warning people against the machinations of Satan, says of him: “Sober up, watch, because your adversary the devil walks like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour” (1 Pet. 5: 8).

                      And to the topic of "zigov" and "swastikas", video:
                      http://azbyka.ru/hristianstvo/bibliya/novyi_zavet/nagornaya_propoved_66-all.shtm

                      l
          6. I am
            I am 4 November 2013 22: 00 New
            +2
            Kindle nothing. This is not our method, but it doesn’t work out either, alas and ah. Therefore, my personal opinion. TIME TO TAKE ORDER IN THE COUNTRY !!!
            And of course, ALL PARTICIPANTS, TO THIS HOLIDAY, CONGRATULATIONS ON HOLIDAY !!!!!!
            (sorry for typos, I'm reading and paint my nails)))))))))
        2. shpuntik
          shpuntik 5 November 2013 01: 45 New
          +1
          Ptah RU Yesterday, 12:57 ↑
          We begin to "kindle" little by little. Well, right!
          Happy Holidays, brothers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope that with a REASON!

          Ptah, happy holiday! Did you play a Mendelssohn march in the registry office? wink
          I think yes. Therefore, I propose to clarify the wording "kindle" - this is a stigma that some who are very cunning are trying to hang.
          Maybe for the youth: "anneal"? Or like a poet: "burn the hearts of people with a verb," ​​pull out all kinds of evil spirits into the light of God?
          These are representatives of the chosen people I want to respect:
          1. Yuri Y.
            Yuri Y. 5 November 2013 10: 02 New
            +2
            Already the tears flowed. We are perceived as an individual, but we are all together.
      2. shpuntik
        shpuntik 4 November 2013 19: 08 New
        +3
        Andrey from Tver RU Today, 10:15 ↑ New

        Here is this book at hand:
        But in the preface it is said that this is not all, some points are not included, as they offend some. Therefore, for a complete study, welcome to Ishiva. There, apparently, they are studying the second volume.

    5. vezunchik
      vezunchik 4 November 2013 10: 18 New
      15
      Now it is "dangerous" to be Russian-will be declared a nationalist
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 4 November 2013 10: 28 New
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        Quote: vezunchik
        Now it is "dangerous" to be Russian-will be declared a nationalist

        Patriarch Kirill gave the go-ahead. You can start ... laughing
      2. vadson
        vadson 4 November 2013 11: 31 New
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        Quote: vezunchik
        Now it is "dangerous" to be Russian-will be declared a nationalist

        you do not drum? let me be declared a nationalist, do not care, let the elites shake that are afraid of this, like the redhead - this Russian creature hates, no matter how they are all nationalized!
        1. Vadim2013
          Vadim2013 4 November 2013 13: 00 New
          +7
          For active actions, the Russian people lack leaders and active opposition political parties as in 1917.
          1. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 16: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: Vadim2013
            For active actions, the Russian people lack leaders and active opposition political parties

            VS Vysotsky "About Kanatchikova's dacha": there are few real violent ones, so there are no leaders! And on the intrigues and delusions of the network we have (they, Chubaisiks) and nonsense and will not spoil us (them, Chubaisiks, Serdyukovs, Abramovichs, etc.) the mass of evil intrigues of enemies ..
            Quote: Vadim2013
            active opposition political parties as in 1917

            78% of those who voted against them did not interfere with Ulyanov + Bronstein and Sº. There will always be a sailor Zheleznyak or a tankman from the Kantimirov division ...
          2. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 4 November 2013 18: 33 New
            +2
            Quote: Vadim2013
            For active actions, the Russian people lack leaders and active opposition political parties as in 1917.

            Rather, there is a lack of understanding of what is happening, and of what is happening now.
          3. alone
            alone 4 November 2013 19: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: Vadim2013
            For active actions, the Russian people lack leaders and active opposition political parties as in 1917.


            Do you really want Russia to follow the same path as in 1917? so that brother goes to brother again? what strange desire
      3. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 4 November 2013 14: 04 New
        0
        Do not care) let them plant-for a just cause not scary!
      4. old man54
        old man54 4 November 2013 14: 07 New
        -1
        Quote: vezunchik
        Now it is "dangerous" to be Russian-will be declared a nationalist

        not RUSSIAN you need to feel yourself, tk. this is an absolutely contrived "name", after the 17th Lenin introduced it in order to equate everyone in the former Russian Empire, namely a SLAVIAN, with the richest multi-thousand-year history of his people !! Now that's Yes, then!
        Excerpt from the manuscripts of Mavro Orbini:

        Confirmation of the assertion that the history of Europe was rewritten in the interests of the Vatican and the ruling Romano-Germanic elites is the work of the Dalmatian historian Mavro Orbini (1563 (?) - 1610) "Slavic Kingdom". Orbini was a native of Dubrovnik, took the rank of monk of the Order of Benedictines. People loved and respected him for wisdom, diligence, kindness, self-discipline and self-discipline.

        At that time, for the thinking people of Slavic Dubrovnik, one of the pressing topics was the sad situation of the Slavic world. Many peoples lost their independence, lost their identity. Following the dictates of the heart, Mavro Orbini decided to devote his life to creating an encyclopedic work devoted to the history of the Slavic family. He rummaged through the mass of sources existing at that time in monasteries and temples (the Catholic Church at that time was the curator of culture in Europe, preserving in its bowels part of the previous culture).

        A lot of materials were found in Italian libraries, including the famous library of the Duke of Urbinsky (its founder was the Duke of Federigo dei Montefeltro), which was considered at that time one of the greatest repositories of documents and books. In a special building hundreds of Latin, Greek, Jewish sources were stored. After the death of Orbini, part of this library was lost, some fell into the archives of the Vatican.

        His works were not in vain, he found a lot of references to the Slavs, which are currently unknown to a wide circle of Russians, Slavs of the world. So, he included direct and indirect quotations about 330 works in his work - he mentions more than 280 himself (in the preliminary list of work), about 50 can be found in the text. An interesting moment of danger for the Vatican, behind the scenes of that time is the fact that Orbini’s work, two years after its publication, was included in the Index of forbidden books.

        But the work didn’t sink into oblivion, a hundred years later a diplomat from Dubrovnik in the service of Peter the Great Savva Raguzinsky-Vladislavich (he is also known for bringing the arapchonka Ibrahim to the Russian king in 1705) presented a copy of the Slavic Kingdom to Peter I. In 1722 this book in abbreviated form, translated by Savva, was published in St. Petersburg. Monk Paisiy Khilendarsky wrote on its basis the famous "Slavic-Bulgarian History". Used the work of Orbini and Vasily Tatishchev. In later times, the work of Mavro Orbini was undeservedly forgotten. The work of Orbini is important for us in that it gives us information about the Slavs from sources that are little known or even lost.

        In many ways, Orbini’s work confirms the conclusions made by Yu.D. Roosters in the fundamental work "The History of the Rus" and "The Paths of the Gods". He believed that the Proto-Indo-Europeans, the Indo-Europeans are the Ruses, the Proto-Aryans. The modern Russian people are their direct continuation, evidence of which can be found in mythology, anthropology, linguistics, toponymy, archeology, DNA genealogy, and other sciences related to history.

        According to medieval sources that Mavro Orbini studied (I repeat that some of them are irretrievably lost, while others are stored in the Vatican library), the Slavs fought with almost all the peoples of the world. They ruled Asia, North Africa, occupied most of modern Europe.


        Source reference: http://ruspravda.info/Mavro-Orbini-istorik-kotoriy-pisal-pravdu-o-rusah-812.html
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 16: 44 New
          +3
          Quote: old man54
          not RUSSIAN you need to feel yourself, tk. this is an absolutely contrived "name", after the 17th Lenin introduced it in order to level everyone in the former Russian Empire

          Well, damn it, Ilyich is again to blame for our troubles! My father was born in 1918. told that before the Stalinist constitution of 1936 it was expensive to pronounce RUSSIAN in vain. Could inte "nationalists ruin not only the biography, but also the further existence.
          If someone was trying to separate the Russians from a community bound by obligations to the proletariat of all countries in the cause of the world revolution, it was I.V. Stalin, who dismissed the brainchild of Zinoviev in 1943.
          Slavophilism Russian people had been ill by 1969-1983, when the Czechoslovakians, the heirs of the Legionnaire Corps and Hitler's foremost defense industry leaders, began the Prague Spring, and the "friendly Poland" became the beacon of the Catholic world in the person of John Paul II and the conscience of the working class in the person of the Gdansk electrician Lech Walesa.
          New wine, dear, do not pour into old furs!
          1. old man54
            old man54 4 November 2013 23: 16 New
            +3
            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            I am the father of 1918 born told that before the Stalinist constitution of 1936 it was unprofitable to pronounce RUSSIAN

            I don’t know what your father told you there, but my grandfather, born in 1914, didn’t say that to me, although he talked a lot about those times. The fact that Russian was "expensive to pronounce" for the first time I hear, apparently in the wrong places your father lived. And through the "Russian" everyone in the USSR was leveled, making both Ukrainians and Belarusians and Bashkirs and Tatars de facto Russians. By renouncing that we are Slavs, in particular the Great-borns, we lose the main and key part of ourselves and our history, the history of our ancient kind. And it’s a pity that you and those like you, that you were instructed by "+", do not understand this principle. With your precisely this limited thinking and historical blinkeredness, you play on the hands of the world behind the scenes, which, from the time before the forcible baptism of Russia, dreams of making the Slavs forget their great past, and the people without their history, this is like a tree without roots, any wind of it will twist and break (not even I said). Vaughn today on TV priesthood, in the person of the Metropolitan, says that we have seen a 1000-year history, and they say not 90 and 20-year history. Have survived! In fact, the history of the Slavs is a little less than that of Ancient Egypt, almost akin to Jewry! Learn history, sir, not the one that Western pseudo-historians write about us, but the real one, our history, then you won't argue with the obvious! hi
            1. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 5 November 2013 20: 46 New
              -1
              Shit, again, our lard is on my musals, but I haven't eaten a piece of lard in my whole life! Therefore, he lived to 58! Where and when in the USSR did they write Bashkirs and Tatars as Russians?!?! What the hell are you talking about? Dad joined the CPSU (b) in 1941, in the month of May and died as a COMMUNIST in 1974. His words: only the feeling of the coming war allowed him to make such a film as "Alexander Nevsky".
              Quote: old man54
              in particular the Great Russians

              Slavs were betrayed by the Slavs themselves: Bulgarians, Czechs, Poles, Croats, Serbs (by the way, recall the true clique of the unforgettable HUNGARIAN poet Sandor Petofi - Alexander Petrovich, not Petrovich, but Petrovich! only Transcarpathian Ruthenians, remaining Orthodox.
              Quote: old man54
              It is with this very limited thinking and historical blindness that you play the science of the world behind the scenes

              About playing on hand, so I'm not a gambler. Yes, during my service in the ranks of the USSR Armed Forces, I had comrades and Ukrainians, Belarusians, Tatars, Mordvin (Moksha), three Jews (by the way, very decent people!). And in civilian life, unlike opponents like you, he did not divide, as VS Vysotsky declared, "into friends and enemies."
              And what about antiquity, then for certain only the Lord God knows! Your call for the study of history - pay yourself, "sir"!
              Written does not mean correct, and not written refutation is not required. Refer to the book by LN Gumilyov "A Millennium Around the Caspian Sea", where the methodology of considering the historical process is described in a language accessible to us. If not with a hangover, but with a good mood, then you will perceive a lot of useful things.
              Quote: old man54
              then you will not argue with the obvious

              Not all probable is obvious. Not everything obvious is true.
              I argued, I argue, and I will argue!
        2. ele1285
          ele1285 4 November 2013 23: 48 New
          +4
          One amendment. About four years ago I went to the Podolsky district registry office of the registry office. I needed a certificate. It’s not the point, they showed me books there, while I was waiting for Russian to be written in white, through EP, nationality Velikoros and MALOROS.
    6. Vadim2013
      Vadim2013 4 November 2013 11: 14 New
      +6
      When Russia and the peoples of Russia are now robbed, creating a layer of the rich, who, as a rule, do not create anything. there can be no unity in Russia. Everything on the Russian March, which should be a protest.
      1. bolonenkov
        bolonenkov 4 November 2013 14: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: smile
        Unfortunately, the presence of fascist children in the ranks of the "Russian march" makes it impossible for any sane Russian person to participate in it.
        For me, the Nazis are no better than the pederasts, walking with which in the same column is unacceptable to me.
        By the way, footage from "Russian marches" with bald, camouflaged or waving symbols similar to Nazi geeks is a godsend for Russophobic propagandists who incite hatred of Russian in the former republics.
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 16: 55 New
          +1
          So what have you indicated by Mr. bolonenkov a quotation, but haven’t made your thoughts, much less reasonable conclusions? Want to make a plus sign at smile? So it’s better to go directly to the US Department of State, there at least USD Central Bank 32,1808 rubles will be unfastened, an extra 30 will be exchanged for agora.
          1. smile
            smile 4 November 2013 22: 19 New
            +4
            11111mail.ru
            Monsieur .... and what allah ... are you saying that you can earn a plus in my company? And adding the State Department? As far as everyone knows, the State Department finances our nationalist organizations as diligently as the liberals. On the contrary, supporting me, the guy deviates from the populist branch of pseudo-patriots .... and it is strange that you advise him to go to your masters .... or do you think the gentleman will judge you? :))))
    7. smile
      smile 4 November 2013 13: 08 New
      11
      Sewer
      Unfortunately, the presence of fascist children in the ranks of the "Russian march" makes it impossible for any sane Russian person to participate in it.
      For me, the Nazis are no better than the pederasts, walking with which in the same column is unacceptable to me.
      By the way, footage from "Russian marches" with bald, camouflaged or waving symbols similar to Nazi geeks is a godsend for Russophobic propagandists who incite hatred of Russian in the former republics.
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 17: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: smile
        For me, the Nazis are no better than the pederasts, walking with which in the same column is unacceptable to me

        B′gravo, B′ravo! smile !!! Tolerasta barks against
        Quote: smile
        buggers,
        !
        But who raised them? TWENTY years do not allow Russia not to get up from its knees, but simply to sigh and straighten its shoulders. They overtake foreign exchange resources over the hill and teach tolerance from over the hill! According to your constitution, who is the owner of Russia's natural resources? What? "you cannot share the gross product for all"), and will only the elite consume the goods ?. Where did the Russians play off against the rest of the peoples inhabiting Erefia? Who benefits from? Russian? Neither the Russian, nor the Tatar, nor the Ukrainian, nor the Bashkirs, nor the Chuvash (further list yourself!) Do not approve of the policy that has been pursued for 20 years already: DIVIDE AND RULE.
        1. smile
          smile 4 November 2013 19: 51 New
          +1
          11111mail.ru
          So you forgot to notice that our homosexuals on the swamp walked in the same ranks with the fascists? Do you have poor eyesight or don’t see what you don’t really like?
          And am I a tolera? Just because he dared to tell everyone the famous info-fascists with homosexuals in the swamp touchingly united against the bloody regime of Putin? :)))

          To be honest, I'm better with homosexuals than with fascist patients, they need to be treated. And fascists need to be flogged.
          Regarding the constitution:
          1. She is not mine, she is ours.
          2. Starikov’s brechology (books, mainly five, sometimes with a minus, pre-election demagogy is much worse than that of the existing government, lies more than an order of magnitude, it’s impossible), it’s probably not worth using the constitution ....
          3. And is the current government guilty of the appearance of fascists? Have you forgotten that we inherited the tangle of ethnic hatred that killed the Union from the USSR? ......... it's a shame for the short memory of compatriots .... try to think that Russia inherited .... thinking is always useful. ...
          By the way, 20 years of our policy cannot be divided into two phases that are radically different, maybe only a blind .... or a liar ....

          Take my word for it
    8. DimychDV
      DimychDV 4 November 2013 14: 19 New
      +1
      That's why I am against nationalism: you’ll deal with the Khazars - for us, ........, take offense (then Ukrainians live in Ukraine, and .........- there, de more beautifully). And you will end up staying within the borders of the Moscow principality — sorting out with every Finno-Ugric - how his Chukhon ancestors brought him to live in these places ... And these are the Mordvinians, the Udmurts, and God understand who else. And it’s my fault that it’s not your great-grandfathers, but mine from the Kiev region who answered the call of the Russian tsar-emperor to settle the Primorsky region? So I feel like a Russian person, but because of my surname and roots you will vomit me out to Ukraine, so I’ll die there ***** m. So it’s easier for me to drop a nationalist in the ear. Thank God, the people in Primorye do not have to judge people in the habits of nationality.
      Before building the mountaineers in Russia - look, do we have them, those customs which the highlanders violate? They just live according to the customs by which they themselves are accustomed to live! We already understand that on the wedding day to shoot into the sky from a machine gun is quite a mountain "abichai, yes-ah", but somehow it is incompatible either with the laws of the Russian Federation or with Moscow streets. So why is nobody imprisoned for him in that very Moscow?
      We also need to recall our Russian customs and inculcate on the soil from which they were torn out by the revolution and urbanization. Highlanders - and not only Caucasian and rural people, people in the hinterland still retain that patriarchal and commitment to traditions that are so often lacking when looking at urbanized youth. So maybe it’s not a national conflict? Maybe the West tells the Russian man to abandon morality and live like in the best houses of London and Paris: molest virgins, fuck men, give children to guardianship of the state, spit on old people, judge churchmen according to the secular canons of the yellow press, do not stand up for your neighbor neither for brother, nor for weak. And in cities or anywhere on TV screens, all this works, erodes the foundations of not just national - moral. The world of capital is hindered by everything that prevents a person from becoming infected with advertising .and spending money as if he is a vegetable from a garden. Well, there would be no salary and other material problems in society - who would notice those highlanders? Armenians in general are our fellow believers, and Georgians, by the way, are also serving the army with them — cruel as children, but pure-hearted children of the mountains, who believe that the whole world is created for them. But it is worth reminding them, including in the understandable language of the kulaks, that you need to make room in this world, since there are other just pretenders - and they become silk and quite good friends. Only in monetary relations, some experts do not advise them to enter ...
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 4 November 2013 15: 07 New
        +8
        No, you are wrong, what kind of ... to undertake? I am in the fourth generation Muscovite, I just don’t know deeper in centuries, not nobles, but my wife is from Yekaterinoslav. And with the Ugric people and the Volga Bulgarians, i.e. the Tatars Kazan who will deal with? Mordovians have lived with us for more than 1000 years. These are all state-forming peoples. And I do not separate myself from the Ukrainians, why am I better than them? There is only one language, one faith and ..... we share? You say to yourself “remember Russian customs.” But I don’t understand why one by one the rhinos are normal, two don’t communicate with anyone, and three begin to establish their own order? Or should we behave like that? I don’t know if others have such customs or not. But upon entering the chum or yaranga, I will not dance the Moscow square dance and the sound in the player will decrease, so that the owners do not interfere, but I will not accept all their customs, "BE POLITIVE." “And I’ll tell you, foam came in large numbers from all sides, local Azerbians, the prosecutor’s office of the army, newcomers work as policemen. Don’t hate Muscovites, they are the samelike YOU. By the way, he served in Grodekovo 87-89
      2. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 17: 21 New
        +1
        Chopped off in Primorye 6 winters and 5 years. The region is, of course, the richest. In the first half of the 80s, in terms of relations between nationalities, it was normal. Yes, it can be seen under the Democrats sharply "prettier".
    9. Marine One
      Marine One 4 November 2013 15: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: Sewer
      Everything on Russian March! P

      Rusichi !! People!! Today is Monday, why aren't you at work? Where did you get so much time from marching? Nothing so strengthens and unites the country as shock work.
    10. max73
      max73 4 November 2013 17: 41 New
      +2
      and I have the best at the factory - 2 Tatar. I am breaking records with them. they value me, and I value them.
      1. alone
        alone 4 November 2013 20: 05 New
        +2
        Happy Russia !!
  2. major071
    major071 4 November 2013 07: 32 New
    47
    Poles hit the dundel, so they still cannot forgive. Saliva comes when they hear the word Russia. Everyone dreams of a great talk of the Commonwealth.
    Russia was, is and will be a great country! Happy holiday to you, compatriots!
    1. Denis
      Denis 4 November 2013 07: 39 New
      22
      Quote: major071
      Poles hit the dundel, so they still can’t forgive
      And who needs their forgiveness, you will not forgive violet or not?
      The man kicked a brazen mongrel and he doesn’t care if he forgives him
      Happy holiday, friends!
      Mark him for me too, I won’t be for the politics-anniversary of the death of Bati
    2. andruha70
      andruha70 4 November 2013 07: 40 New
      13
      Poles hit the dundel, so they still cannot forgive.
      good I congratulate Russia on the holiday! drinks
    3. Warrawar
      Warrawar 4 November 2013 08: 32 New
      30
      Quote: major071
      Poles hit the dundel, so they still cannot forgive. Saliva comes when they hear the word Russia. Everyone dreams of a great talk of the Commonwealth.

      Treacherous Russians attacked the Poles in the Kremlin - the impudence of the Russian invaders knew no bounds!
      1. vadson
        vadson 4 November 2013 11: 36 New
        +2
        where is your emoticon? as the Poles themselves believe in it smile
    4. Ptah
      Ptah 4 November 2013 13: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: major071
      they still cannot forgive. Saliva comes when they hear the word Russia.

      They are not the first, and they did not end there. Everyone was shocked who didn't "learn their lessons."
      I must admit - for Russia it is far from the end. More fun for families, for land, for the future!
  3. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 4 November 2013 07: 32 New
    0
    My Russia Rossia from the Volga to the Yenisei ...
    1. Canep
      Canep 4 November 2013 07: 38 New
      32
      Now speak from the Volga to the Yenisei. Rastorguev didn’t have much in common with geography, from Don to Amur at least. And not Russia, but Great Russia.
      1. Fox
        Fox 4 November 2013 08: 05 New
        11
        Minesweeper, +++++++++.!
      2. ele1285
        ele1285 4 November 2013 08: 33 New
        23
        Quote: Canep
        Now speak from the Volga to the Yenisei. Rastorguev didn’t have much in common with geography, from Don to Amur at least. And not Russia, but Great Russia.
        And not from Don to Amur, but from Berlin to Port Arthur
        1. Canep
          Canep 4 November 2013 08: 49 New
          10
          Quote: ele1285
          from Berlin to Port Arthur

          Then to Anchorage (Alaska).
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 4 November 2013 12: 13 New
            +3
            In conscience and in rhyme it will be- "From Madrid to Singapore."
            But thank you for clarification.
        2. tomket
          tomket 4 November 2013 10: 41 New
          +1
          take more from the coast of the Atlantic))))
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 4 November 2013 12: 31 New
            0
            Ie I understand from the east coast of North America?
          2. alone
            alone 4 November 2013 19: 53 New
            0
            Quote: tomket
            take more from the coast of the Atlantic))))


            why such modesty? since it’s gone, take the globe and write Russia there. laughing
            1. I am
              I am 4 November 2013 22: 02 New
              0
              Ukraine’s globe was already ....
        3. andruha70
          andruha70 4 November 2013 12: 20 New
          +1
          And not from Don to Amur, but from Berlin to Port Arthur
          what’s there, look at the wider - from Lisbon to Haiti. (joint rhyme) laughing
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 4 November 2013 12: 52 New
            +4
            It’s a bad thing not to rhyme, but to look LARGE, you get the hell out that everything is ours. From California (Fort Ross) to the Hawaiian Islands, including all of Eurasia and most of North America. Is that so?
            1. andruha70
              andruha70 4 November 2013 17: 21 New
              +3
              It’s a bad thing not to rhyme, but to look LARGE, you get the hell out that everything is ours. From California (Fort Ross) to the Hawaiian Islands, including all of Eurasia and most of North America. Is that so?
              I tell you, Brother, so - please! the whole globe of the earth-UNION two, point, zero! (USSR-2.0) wassat
          2. Ptah
            Ptah 4 November 2013 13: 07 New
            +5
            Quote: andruha70
            from Lisbon to Haiti.

            We don’t have a stranger - we wouldn’t give our own.
            More precisely - to return.
            1. ele1285
              ele1285 4 November 2013 13: 17 New
              +3
              We don’t have a stranger - we wouldn’t give our own.
              More precisely - to return

              And so it seems to me to be better, not a poet, but I have an opinion.

              We don’t have someone else’s - not to give our own.
              More precisely - to return, and bend over with cancer,
              And if the enemies are from across the ocean,
              They’ll scare the atom
              State Duma in a single rush
              The answer will not come out e bi your mother
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 4 November 2013 13: 58 New
                +4
                Quote: ele1285
                The answer will not come out e bi your mother

                To start, Sash, oochchchen very good.
                You will work on the style, rhyme, and experiment with the dimensions. And, perhaps, you will "surpass" Yevtushenka. laughing good
                Hope to buy your collection soon. With the signature of the author.
                good drinks
                1. ele1285
                  ele1285 4 November 2013 14: 21 New
                  +3
                  Thanks for the criticism, I’ll take into account that you are a decent person. I won’t release the collection, read more gifted people. And your comments are original. Sinned, I looked a little from the past. Although I put a minus several times. My congratulations to you.
              2. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 4 November 2013 20: 09 New
                +5
                Quote: ele1285
                The answer will not come out e bi your mother

                It smells like gypsy ... You would be more correct ... laughing
            2. andruha70
              andruha70 4 November 2013 19: 16 New
              +3
              We don’t have a stranger - we wouldn’t give our own.
              More precisely - to return.
              I will connect to ele1285 ... and also a fucking verb. laughing We don’t have a stranger - we wouldn’t give our own.
              More precisely - to return. maybe bend?
              to bend all those who would like to sell
              Russia in parts, and someone: -Totally
              bend-them all into a pose described by cancer
              h. ubais and humpback, o. bamu b.araka
              "Serdyuchka", V. Asiliev, N. Avalny Lech
              sh.aron, o. lland, r.zhyzhkova and k.okha
              drive them aspen to the limit
              so that mraz this, dare not stink anymore
              so that no more crap our homeland
              and then, after all, conceive. and all!
      3. vezunchik
        vezunchik 4 November 2013 10: 30 New
        +7
        And until 1917, the Russian Empire from Warsaw to Alaska!
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 4 November 2013 13: 26 New
          +5
          Are you right, but what can we be proud of? We have profiled everything that is possible. Smolensk is already a border town. And without laughter, everything that was conquered by the overwork of our ancestors, we all rooted.
          1. yur
            yur 4 November 2013 22: 04 New
            +3
            Well, my dear and beloved Smolensk was under Lithuanians for 100 years, and where are the Lithuanians now? So we will move the non-current borders. Of course. I think so.
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 17: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: vezunchik
          until 1917 the Russian Empire from Warsaw to Alaska

          Alaska was leased in 1867, it seems, for 99 years, but here we are waiting for it until it is returned!
          Since 1906, without Sakhalin.
          Warsaw was lost in 1915 during the great retreat.
          1. alone
            alone 4 November 2013 19: 57 New
            0
            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            Alaska was leased in 1867, it seems, for 99 years, but here we are waiting for it until it is returned!


            a deal between the governments of the Russian Empire and the North American United States, which resulted in the sale of its holdings in North America (total area of ​​1867 km²) in Russia in 7,2 for $ 1 million

            They sold Alaska rather than rented out. It would be nice if they taught the history of Russia.
            1. Androsh
              Androsh 4 November 2013 20: 21 New
              +2
              Yes, we sold Alaska and California with the then Russian cities of Santa Barbara (St. Barbara) and San Francisco .. but did we get money for these lands and cities here is the question ??? and whether the boat on which this money was taken to us or stolen them drowned ... and if we did not receive the money, then the deal is canceled right?
              1. alone
                alone 4 November 2013 20: 36 New
                +2
                the money was received. The Americans paid right away. Do you know why? the building of the New York court was more expensive than the 7,2 million dollars. few would refuse such a gift.

                I remembered the moment Soviet troops were withdrawn from Germany. Helmut Kohl first decided to offer Gorbatom 20 billion marks for the withdrawal, and if he did not agree, double the amount. Kol nearly fell off his chair when Gorbaty asked for 14 billion kol immediately gave money and wax vyvili.a six months later, Gorbaty asked for a loan of either 10 or 20 billion, so he got such interest in harmony in harmony that they probably ripped off those 14 billion given
                alas, but a fact!
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 4 November 2013 20: 47 New
                  +1
                  Quote: lonely
                  Hunchback asked for 14 billion kol immediately gave money

                  Mmm, but in more detail?
                  It seems that the amounts were not announced then officially. And then, just then, whoever said anything.
                2. Cynic
                  Cynic 4 November 2013 20: 50 New
                  +1
                  Quote: lonely
                  the money was received. The Americans immediately paid.

                  As far as I remember, in the first year from Alaska, the Yusovites received about 100 million.
                  1. alone
                    alone 4 November 2013 21: 23 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Cynic
                    As far as I remember, in the first year from Alaska, the Yusovites received about 100 million.


                    unfortunately, the Yusovtsy understood the value of Alaska, unlike the Russian governor Nikolai Nikolayevich Muravyov-Amursky, who was the first to offer the sale of Alaska as early as 1853, before the Crimean War.
                    1. Cynic
                      Cynic 5 November 2013 17: 50 New
                      +1
                      Quote: lonely
                      unfortunately, the Yusovtsy understood the value of Alaska in contrast to the Russian governor Nikolai Nikolayevich Muravyov-Amursky, who was the first to propose

                      Mmm, as far as I remember (laughing) the point was not in the limitations of the king and his satraps. The ability to control these territories was soberly assessed. They were afraid of the Britons, well this is the official point of view. Conspiracy theorists talk about the resuscitation of the Decembrist ghost _ Self-separation of Russa Alaska and the creation of the first democratic Russian state! Then Amur, then Siberia, then ...
                      drinks
                3. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 4 November 2013 21: 47 New
                  +4
                  Quote: lonely
                  I remembered the moment the Soviet troops were withdrawn from Germany. Helmut Kohl first decided to offer Gorbatom 20 billion marks for the withdrawal, and if he did not agree, double the amount. Kol nearly fell off his chair when Gorbaty asked for 14 billion kol immediately gave money and wax brought

                  ... I heard that the Germans were ready to give away the annual income of Germany in exchange for the consent of the unification of the two Germanys. But the hunchback asked for a modest 200 million Deutschmarks for himself and 40 million for the Batono Dato ...
                  Further - according to your text.
                4. ele1285
                  ele1285 4 November 2013 22: 14 New
                  +1
                  We turned to the doctor of historical sciences, E.P. Tolmachev, with a request to tell the story of the sale of Alaska and received his kind consent.
                  Petersburg feared the capture of Alaska by England and, moreover, was unable to protect the Russian possessions in America from the North American tradesmen and smugglers. In addition, the sale of Alaska was due to the unsatisfactory state of affairs in the RAC, the existence of which had to be supported by "artificial measures and monetary donations from the treasury." It was believed that the main attention should be focused on "the successful development of the Amur region, where the future lies in the Far East for Russia."
                  Returning to Washington in March 1867, Steckle reminded Secretary of State Seward "of the proposals that have been made in the past for the sale of our colonies" and declared that the Russian government was now "disposed to negotiate."



                  The agreement on the sale by Russia of Alaska (Russian America) to the United States was signed on 18 [30] on March 1867 in Washington by Secretary of State Seward and Russian envoy Stekl. According to the agreement, the United States purchased Alaska from Russia with the nearby Aleutian Islands for a small amount - 7 million 200 thousand dollars (11 million rubles), having obtained an area of ​​1519 thousand square meters. km, the development of which the Russian people during 126 years put a lot of effort and money. In 1959, Alaska became the 59 state of the United States.



                  A quarter of all US underground and marine reserves are concentrated on the peninsula, almost 5 billion barrels of oil, forest, gas, and copper reserves. Some Americans are not averse to selling Alaska to Russia for one trillion dollars to reduce the budget deficit.

                  189 years ago, on 17 on April 1824, the Russian-American Convention was signed on the definition of the border of Russian possessions in North America. This Convention marked the beginning of the expulsion of Russians from America and subsequently played a huge role in the sale of Alaska in 1867. From all sides they say that Russia did a great stupid thing by selling Alaska. But it is believed that Alaska was never sold. She was leased for 90 years. And after the lease expires in 1957 year,


                  The United States, with a heartache, was going to give the land back or try to extend the lease term for a very good amount. But Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev actually gave the land to America. And only after that, in the 1959 year, Alaska became the 49 m state of the USA. Many argue that the agreement on the transfer of Alaska to US ownership was never signed by the USSR - nor was it signed by the Russian Empire. Therefore, Alaska may have borrowed free of charge from Russia.

                  The devil himself will break his leg, how many people, so many opinions.
                  But why then became a state only in the 1959 year?
            2. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 22: 00 New
              +2
              Quote: lonely
              They sold Alaska rather than rented out. It would be nice if they taught the history of Russia

              Where is the money, Zin? Well, at least a cent got into the Russian treasury? Enlightened you are ours. Where are the originals of the contract of sale? Tell us ignoramuses if this does not bother you!
              1. alone
                alone 4 November 2013 22: 25 New
                +2
                Quote: 11111mail.ru
                Where is the money, Zin? Well, at least a cent got into the Russian treasury? Enlightened you are ours. Where are the originals of the contract of sale? Tell us ignoramuses if this does not bother you!


                as for the originals of the contract of sale, you first need to ask the one who sold Alaska. but this is impossible due to the fact that the one who sold for a long time in the next world, but I just don’t intend to do it (so far, too much has not been done to think about it) but I don’t have access to the Russian archives, because I’m not located in Russia. If you are interested, you can take an interest in the state archive. Surely you can find something. About whether the cent got there or not I have not participated in the auction) recourse . yes and do not forget that embezzlement in the Republic of Ingushetia has always been considered an honor. lol

                Quote: 11111mail.ru
                Enlightened you are ours.


                thanks for the complement wassat knowing what Alaska is like in the place of the Yusovites, any of us, being the president of the mattress, would have paid right away without any talk.
                1. 11111mail.ru
                  11111mail.ru 5 November 2013 21: 02 New
                  -1
                  I did not see, did not hear, did not speak ..., a comfortable position in all respects! Yes, fit, in the end, the proud image of a "fighter for the truth." Just throwing an excuse - not together! The MATTRESS BOOKS have already appeared! And if the curator is offended?
      4. Archibald
        Archibald 4 November 2013 10: 33 New
        +2
        With history, he is also not very.
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 4 November 2013 13: 26 New
          0
          I brought this snob into the mob
      5. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 4 November 2013 14: 06 New
        +3
        And I am for the Soviet empire from Gibraltar to Tokyo!
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 4 November 2013 14: 27 New
          +2
          We will not forget Cape Town, we will make it an original Russian city. And not Soviet, but Soviet-Russian.
      6. MG42
        MG42 4 November 2013 17: 40 New
        +5
        Quote: Canep
        Now speak from the Volga to the Yenisei. Rastorguev with geography was not very similar

        The lyrics to the song were written not by Rastorguev, but by Alexander Shaganov. And the song itself is not bad .. Yes, with geography according to this picture >>



        Only here is important rhyme in the song.


        Quote: Canep
        And not Russia, but Great Russia.


        Take poetry again Sergei Yesenin >>

        "They drink here again, fight and cry ..."

        Drink here again, fight and cry
        To the harmonics yellow sadness.
        Curse your failures
        They recall Moscow Russia.
        And I myself, head down,
        I fill my eyes with wine
        So as not to see the fatal in the face,
        To think at least a moment about something else.

        .......................
        Where are you the ones that left far away?
        Are our rays shining brightly for you?
        A harmonist treats syphilis with alcohol,
        What in the Kyrgyz steppes received.

        No! such not crush, not scatter.
        Recklessness is given to them by rot.
        You, my scattering ... race ... sowing ...
        Asian side!

        November 1922, XNUMX

        http://esenin.ouc.ru/snova-pyut-zdes.html
    2. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 4 November 2013 07: 55 New
      +7
      He took a little. Che remembered the broadcast on TV, one Norwegian, in my opinion, said that they built a state for us. Our ancestors built our state, if you remember that their bones are dotted from the coast of France to the coast in the Far East. Yes, and Rurik himself (respect) is a moot point, if you recall that the Germans intensely assimilated the Western Slavs (I wonder how much Slavic blood they have). They, at best, took only a sprout.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 4 November 2013 10: 05 New
        +5
        Quote: Yuri Ya.
        if you recall that the Germans intensely assimilated the Western Slavs (I wonder how much Slavic blood they have)

        A very interesting question was inadvertently raised. Germans, who are they by gender / blood?
        I think almost no one ever wondered why the French (!!!) proverb is common in Russia
        "Scrape any Russian, you will find a Tatar"

        Maybe because if you scrape any European, you will find a Slav?
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 17: 37 New
          +1
          No, perhaps, not a Slav but a scoundrel, only Rusyns (Transcarpathian) did not fight against us.
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 4 November 2013 22: 22 New
            0
            Not really your uncle, let me remind you. As Alexander III said, a toast at some ball. FOR MY ONLY friend, Prince of Montenegro. Monte Negro did not fight against us.
            1. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 5 November 2013 21: 07 New
              0
              God forbid! Read Alexander Sergeevich about Montenegrins and Bonaparte! Some of the classics remember! Yes, in the Second World War on the Balkan Theater, it was somehow unclear in relation to Montenegro and the Soviet Army (formerly Karma Arm.).
    3. pensioner
      pensioner 4 November 2013 08: 06 New
      17
      Quote: Scandinavian
      My Russia Rossia from the Volga to the Yenisei ...
      Rastorguev handsome of course. But add more from Sukachev:

      And now for me there is no sleep, no peace, no place
      How to get there, how to get there,
      And who can now help me or tell me everything
      About places that are not on the map
      From Vladivostok to Brest
      All about these parts, where I really need to get.
      1. kush62
        kush62 4 November 2013 08: 35 New
        +3
        Rastorguev handsome of course. I don’t argue, she sings well. But the author of the texts is unlearned.
        I especially like in song one "tire grinding"
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 4 November 2013 09: 10 New
        +6
        Quote: retired
        From Vladivostok to Brest
        All about these parts, where I really need to get.

        "... that the arrow was broken by someone ..." laughing
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 4 November 2013 09: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          by someone

          I even know who laughing
        2. pensioner
          pensioner 4 November 2013 11: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          "... that the arrow was broken by someone ..."

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I even know who
          I know too. Gosha tried ...
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 4 November 2013 11: 45 New
            +2
            Quote: retired
            . Gosha tried ...

            He is Goga, he is Zhora, he is ... drinks
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 4 November 2013 11: 50 New
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              He is Goga, he is Zhora, he is ...

              Exactly: George Ivanovich, he is Goga, he is Gosha, he is Yuri, he is Horus, he is Zhora ...
    4. kush62
      kush62 4 November 2013 08: 32 New
      +3
      The ignoramuses add up half of the songs. And from Yenisei to Shikotan to whom?
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 4 November 2013 12: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: kush62
        The ignoramuses add up half of the songs. And from Yenisei to Shikotan to whom?

        Yes EVERYTHING to us, just a song of a child ...
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 4 November 2013 12: 54 New
          +1
          As the cartoon character said - "WILL BE LITTLE."
    5. anarh
      anarh 4 November 2013 09: 45 New
      +2


      But how do we count: left - right or right - left?
      In the sense that you can also go from the Volga to the Yenisei in a circle.
      1. Canep
        Canep 4 November 2013 09: 57 New
        +6
        Quote: anarh
        In the sense that you can also go from the Volga to the Yenisei in a circle.
        It's like in the Goblin Antiboomer: like "guys we are going in the wrong direction, Lisbon is in the west, and we are going east", - "The earth is round, what's the difference where to go, first the Urals, then Vladivostok, and then Lisbon is far away" , somehow it seems so. laughing laughing laughing
    6. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 4 November 2013 10: 31 New
      0
      half country shortened song
    7. tomket
      tomket 4 November 2013 10: 40 New
      +1
      It's too small for you to get Russia)))))
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 4 November 2013 16: 41 New
        +7
        But, from Taiga to the British Seas --- The Red Army is all the stronger soldier
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 November 2013 07: 34 New
    12
    In unity, the power of Russia! We’ll tear everyone who snoops around!
    1. Guilty
      Guilty 4 November 2013 07: 40 New
      +6
      Well, all do not. Leave a couple. To restore the economy lol
      1. Walking
        Walking 4 November 2013 11: 59 New
        +2
        Do not tear everyone so that later there would be no one to present claims to.
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 4 November 2013 12: 39 New
      -1
      Mikhan. I propose to create an organization like "Black Hand" from like-minded people of the site. For meetings in an informal setting and working out solutions on specific issues.
      1. smile
        smile 4 November 2013 13: 35 New
        +2
        Igor39
        Interesting name ... :))) why not "Green Leg"? Or not a "hard finger"? Whom, by the way, are you going to kill? :)))
        1. Aleksys2
          Aleksys2 4 November 2013 13: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: smile
          Interesting little name ... :)))

          The "Black Hand" is a South Slavic secret nationalist organization that aimed at uniting various South Slavic peoples into one state. Founded 22.5.1911 and lasted until the 1917 year.
          The head of the Black Hand was Colonel Dragutin Dmitrievich, nicknamed Apis (Bull), head of the Serbian counterintelligence. At the age of 27, he became the head of an officer conspiracy, as a result of which in June 1903, the Serbian king and his wife were killed ("May Coup"). Participants in the conspiracy were not only not punished, but became close to the new King Peter and received top military posts, including Dmitrievich. Since then, competition has begun in Serbian politics between the (nationalists) military, to whom King Peter was obliged to come to power, and civilian authorities. Dmitrievich is also considered the developer and preparer of the murder of the heir to the Austrian throne, Franz Ferdinand.
          (The death of Franz Ferdinand at the hands of Serbian terrorists was an excellent pretext for Austria-Hungary to declare an ultimatum to Serbia. Russia supported Serbia, and this was the beginning of the First World War.)
          The King of Serbia, Alexander I Karageorgievich, who was not personally obligated, like his father, to the military, and who saw them as constant competitors of his power, gave the order in March 1917 to liquidate the organization. Apis and his entourage were arrested on charges of high treason and shot at a military court in June 1917 in the suburbs of Thessaloniki.
          1. smile
            smile 4 November 2013 14: 59 New
            0
            Aleksys2
            Thank you.
            I know that.
            But I do not see the connection between that organization and the proposal of the colleague to whom I asked a question. And I can not stand all sorts of societies with big names, like adults are the same people .... :))))
        2. Igor39
          Igor39 4 November 2013 14: 02 New
          +1
          You can also call "Dumb Head".
          1. smile
            smile 4 November 2013 15: 02 New
            -1
            Igor39
            I admit that this is a more acceptable option. I approve your offer.
      2. Karabin
        Karabin 4 November 2013 19: 44 New
        +5
        Quote: Igor39
        .I propose to create an organization of the "Black Hand" type from like-minded people of the site. For meetings in an informal setting and making decisions ..

        Will you write slogans? In the part of hat-making and bragging that we all tear and tear, Mikhan has no equal.
  5. George
    George 4 November 2013 07: 42 New
    13
    Happy Holiday!
    Our people survived quite a few troubled times, but always came out victorious.
    Eternal Glory to our ancestors!
    1. sergaivenski
      sergaivenski 4 November 2013 08: 35 New
      +9
      Good morning to ALL, ALL, EVERYBODY !!! The rotten West does not give rest to the thought that they have, at their side, a state rich in natural resources. borders of RUSSIA. Only RUSSIA is not a whipping boy !!! Let them try to poke around !!! Our ancestors beat different foreign
      zemstvo invaders !!! And we can stand up for our country !!!
  6. makarov
    makarov 4 November 2013 07: 47 New
    20
    Undoubtedly, history must be remembered and honored, both in facts and in surnames. It's great that they remember Minin, Pozharsky, Hermogenes .... but they forgot about the simple patriot-peasant Susanin. But this is a historical example of the patriotism of a SIMPLE MAN ... although they try to rewrite history and cast doubt on his feat and contribution to the common cause.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 4 November 2013 08: 11 New
      32
      Quote: makarov
      but they forgot about the simple patriot-peasant Susanin.

      Have not forgotten. I was here recently on a business trip. They told me. In the summer, a group of Poles came to Myshkin for an excursion to local museums. When they got into the minibus, the driver announced loudly: "Well, the Polish citizens have gone. By the way, my name is Susanin." And he still has the same viduha ... In the salon, conversations and laughter somehow immediately subsided ...
      1. sergaivenski
        sergaivenski 4 November 2013 08: 44 New
        +7
        Until now, the Poles are haunted by the thought that Moscow and Smolensk were under them, but ordinary militias managed to recapture our cities !!! So they rush about with the ideas of the Great Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth !!!
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 4 November 2013 09: 12 New
          +5
          Quote: sergaivenski
          The Poles are still haunted by the thought that Moscow and Smolensk were under them, but ordinary militias managed to recapture our cities !!

          The Poles were kicked out, mostly by the Cossacks. The militia "played extras".
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 4 November 2013 10: 20 New
            +3
            The Cossacks struck at the most critical moment of the battle, but the army consisted not only of them.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 4 November 2013 10: 33 New
              +6
              Quote: RUSS
              The Cossacks struck at the most critical moment of the battle, but the army consisted not only of them.

              Almost the entire "regular army" was killed on the way from Smolensk to Moscow (analogy of 1941). The Cossacks were the only fighting force who also had to "upset" the Swedes, who had captured Novgorod by that time.
              1. avt
                avt 4 November 2013 16: 19 New
                +2
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Cossacks were the only fighting force that had to

                Run from corner to corner where they pay more.
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                more and the Swedes "upset", which by that time had captured Novgorod.

                The Swedes, whom the Cossacks were "besieged" in your thoughts, were actually hired by Skopin-Shuisky, this is de Lagardy's corps, when Tsar Vaska poisoned a relative, Skopin-Shuisky, the favorite of the people and a successful commander {he was afraid that he would be elevated to the throne instead of him} Swedes, mercenaries stopped receiving salaries and did what mercenaries do everywhere, including your Cossacks - they began to plunder the territory under their jurisdiction, but in a European way, in detail, on a long-term basis. So, thank God that nothing broke off the Cossacks, two gangs contain residents would not have survived.
          2. avt
            avt 4 November 2013 14: 38 New
            +4
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            The Poles were kicked out, mostly by the Cossacks. The militia "played extras"

            Yes!? And what actually "Cossacks" "kicked out" the Poles? The very ones that fit into the battle when it actually became clear whose beret? Cossacks Trubetskoy, to whom he gave the title "Tushinsky thief", as did Filaret - Romanov patriarch? The same ones that before that with Sapieha and Lisovsky besieged the Trinity Lavra of Sergteva, demanding that they recognize False Dmitry No. 2, well, then, when ,, extras "- the people's militia drove the Poles under the command of Pozharsky and Minin, the threat of force was forced to elect Misha Romanov and daddy - the patriarch of the Tushino thief" seemed to anoint him for the kingdom. Oh, yes. There, it seems, daddy is not aisles, there seems to be the Patriarch of Jerusalem passing by - on a tourist trip to the Golden Ring, as we wrote earlier in the article on the site. But the journalist in Kiselyov's program generally said that the Great Martyr himself anointed Misha Hermogenes, well, the one whom the Poles and Romanov's relatives starved to death, demanding to recognize their power.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 4 November 2013 21: 04 New
              +4
              Quote: avt
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              The Poles were kicked out, mostly by the Cossacks. The militia "played extras"
              Yes!? And what actually "Cossacks" "kicked out" the Poles? The very ones that fit into the battle when it actually became clear whose beret?

              And what, there were other, "good" Cossacks?
              Quote: avt
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              more and the Swedes "upset", which by that time had captured Novgorod.
              The Swedes, whom the Cossacks were "besieged" in your thoughts, were actually hired by Skopin-Shuisky, this is de Lagardy's corps

              And here is the same ...

              Everyone, and the Cossacks, and the militia, rallied a common misfortune - the Polish Poles in the Kremlin. To challenge the moral-volitional or ethical qualities of one or the other is a thankless task. But how
              Quote: avt
              ,, extras "- the militia drove the Poles under the command of Pozharsky with Minin
              you know better - you were probably there.
              1. avt
                avt 5 November 2013 10: 10 New
                +1
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Everyone, and the Cossacks, and the militia, rallied a common misfortune - the Polish Poles in the Kremlin.

                Ahh, well, now it is clear why these are Trubetskoy's Cossacks, well, the very ones that started with False Dmitry # 2, attacked together with Lisovsky's gang and Sapieha, both in the service of the Poles and the Poles themselves, on the Trinity Lavra of St. Sergius. They fought with the Latins Poles who settled there. And the monks and the people who defended it, out of their stupidity, did not recognize the "Orthodox army" for their support and hope, and for a year and a half they fought off the Orthodox monastery, having something about 3000 fighters against about 30000 defenders of Orthodoxy "Poles-Latins. Well, in general, in the absence of the militia, a common misfortune" united them with the Lyakhs.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 5 November 2013 10: 21 New
                  +4
                  Quote: avt
                  Ahh, now it’s clear why these are the Cossacks of Trubetskoy, well, the very ones that started with False Dmitry No. 2 attacked together with the gang of Lisovsky and Sapega, both in the service of the Poles and the Poles themselves, on Trinity Sergius Lavra.

                  I repeat - the Cossacks were the most powerful fighting force. No more. And what is "Cossack freemen", remember the Cossack blackmail of Moscow - "I will go over to the Lyakhs, I will surrender to the Turks ...".
                  If the tank commander has a "jammed turret", and the gunner and driver are "stoned" - what does the tank have to do with it?
                  And it was the Cossacks who were "the main electoral force", the "power electorate" of Misha Romanov. EVERYONE WERE READY TO MAKE CONCESSIONS TO THE COSSACKS, so long as they finally "demobilize" and leave, at least, Moscow.
                  1. avt
                    avt 5 November 2013 11: 00 New
                    0
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    If the tank commander has a "jammed turret", and the gunner and driver are "stoned" - what does the tank have to do with it?
                    laughing Famously! More recently, they were
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    united by a common misfortune - Poles-Latins in the Kremlin.

                    Quite ideologically self-sustained, but now they are equated in intellect with a piece of iron.
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    And it was the Cossacks who were "the main electoral force", the "power electorate" of Misha Romanov.

                    Naturally, Filaret then their accomplice of the son only with their help and put on the throne, in the absence of another real force, which was at war with the Poles at that time, here the Janissaries are the thieves and completed the Romanov’s intrigue.
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    I repeat - the Cossacks were the most powerful fighting force. No more. And what is "Cossack freemen", remember the Cossack blackmail of Moscow - "I will go over to the Lyakhs, I will surrender to the Turks ...".

                    If you were a force, you wouldn’t hang out like a city but in an ice hole, but you would immediately do what Minin’s militia under the command of Pozharsky did. And even their protégé-False Dmitry No. 2 could not be moved further than Tushin, despite the fact that Tsar Vaska was sitting, and not his lucky relative - the commander Skopin-Shuisky, and Tushino then was not Moscow, but a distant suburb. About the siege of the laurel already wrote.
          3. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 17: 43 New
            +2
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            The militia "played extras"

            Napoleon I: three things are needed for war - money, money, and again money. Cossacks, as always, came for zipuns, and now, the Orthodox have seen enough of what the Latins are doing and even hit the Poles at the agreed time. I have no doubt in the role of the treasury, collected and not impregnated by Kuzma Minich!
    2. anarh
      anarh 4 November 2013 09: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: makarov
      but about the simple patriot, the peasant Susanin, they forgot

      Do not forget.
  7. Alikovo
    Alikovo 4 November 2013 07: 49 New
    +9
    Happy holiday to all.
    1. Skipper
      Skipper 4 November 2013 12: 34 New
      +4
      Theme song
      1. Shaman 21101973
        Shaman 21101973 4 November 2013 13: 57 New
        0
        Well, we still have rockets now ..... And, what, besides vodka at the plant, is it already to remember those years and not what ....?
        1. Skipper
          Skipper 4 November 2013 15: 28 New
          0
          There is much more, but the song is not about vodka ...
  8. major071
    major071 4 November 2013 07: 53 New
    10
    makarov Today, 07: 47
    but they forgot about the simple patriot-peasant Susanin.

    People remember about Susanin’s feat. His feat is glorified in poetry and prose, in folk art. True, sometimes in a joking manner.
    1. George
      George 4 November 2013 07: 55 New
      14
      Quote: major071
      makarov Today, 07: 47
      but they forgot about the simple patriot-peasant Susanin.

      People remember about Susanin’s feat. His feat is glorified in poetry and prose, in folk art.

      I liked the "Town":
    2. Guilty
      Guilty 4 November 2013 09: 14 New
      +1
      By the way, is this feat described in the new history textbook?
  9. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 4 November 2013 07: 55 New
    +9
    hi HOLIDAY PEOPLE OF RUSSIA! Together, we will cope with any troubles, overcome all difficulties!
    Let our people be Russian
    Free and united
    Let it go forward in faith -
    After all, this is our strength!

    And our language, mentality
    People are united
    There are no stronger Russians in the world!
    And everyone knows about it.
    soldier
  10. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 4 November 2013 07: 57 New
    +8
    Quote: Canep
    And not Russia, but Great Russia.

    Dear Minesweeper, you should not emphasize so much ... it’s already clear ... why cling to the words of a good artist ...
    1. Canep
      Canep 4 November 2013 09: 18 New
      +5
      Rastorgueiskaya ROSEYa infuriates me. When they said so, Russia barely reached the Urals. And Rastorguev’s most of the songs are not very bad, patriotic.
  11. Same lech
    Same lech 4 November 2013 08: 03 New
    +7
    The holiday is right - but do you understand we have a PEOPLE and there is a separate caste of people to whom this holiday does not apply - Cosmopolites do you understand.
    There is still a lot of who else with whom there can’t be any unity.
  12. George
    George 4 November 2013 08: 07 New
    21
    To be russian

    Being Russian is not a merit, but a burden.
    When the alarm is on the run,
    Reins girdled kurguzo,
    We grab hold of it and take it down.

    Forget about your own trouble and pain,
    Not getting smarter at all until gray ...
    To be Russian means to be a warrior in the field,
    Even if you are alone in this field.

    Being Russian is not a reward, but a retribution.
    For the world’s soul to be broken,
    You stand up for a stranger, like a brother,
    And then he will sell you ...

    Being Russian is shameful and shameful,
    When we are behind the barbed line
    They used to harvest their grain
    For children not a Russian, but a stranger.

    We are Russians, fooling around and pampering,
    When grabbing the snow with a hangover mouth
    To any hell we climb with a kiss
    Expecting a bloodstream then ...

    The people live, guided by a gloomy fate,
    For the fatherly way and his image
    Trustingly paying for the skin,
    Although, more often - the head.

    We are Russians. We are with unholy love
    Breaking fraternally poor loaf,
    And in gratitude we hear above ourselves
    Just two words: "must!" and "come on!"

    Being Russian is not a joy, but a poison,
    With unproductive sadness on the brow
    Paying from ancient times - generously and bloodily -
    Because you live on your own land.

    Being Russian means blocking the way for bandits,
    That trample our land with a boot.
    To be Russian means to be killed
    Fellow more often than the enemy.

    To be Russian means to stand against the wall,
    And let the whole bastard shoot you
    But before her don't fall on her knees,
    Mercy, grabbing the boot, asking.

    Being Russian is a job, duty and share
    Protect the holy honor of the earth
    From the aliens that their Talmud is musol,
    Two thousand years led us to the abyss.

    We are Russians. We are on the chopping block
    Casting an eye over my father’s eye,
    But the beggar’s last shirt,
    Without delay, we habitually give.

    To be Russian is providence and right,
    Not fearing either a bullet or a knife,
    Stubbing stubbornly and rough,
    Enemies are not inferior to the line.

    To be Russian means to grow bread in bad weather.
    And there is no rain - even with blood drizzle.
    But still, what happiness is it -
    Be Russian! Among the Russians! In Russia!

    I grow Russian and tender seed
    Not because someone else’s clan is filthy,
    But let the tribe describe it like this
    Some Jew or gypsy.

    To be Russian means to be in reliable strength.
    And despise the native land bargaining.
    It’s not for nothing that the Suvorov rivers under Izmail:
    - We are Russians! Hooray! What a delight! ..

    I am Russian! Heart, spirit, jerk of the skin.
    I am proud of my ancient nickname.
    Don’t give me, even for a moment, at least in some way, God,
    Not to become Russian, but someone else! ..

    Evgeny Skvoreshnev.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 4 November 2013 08: 14 New
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      Good morning everybody hi

      I heartily congratulate you on the day of national unity. Let all hardships and hardships bypass Russia, I wish you prosperity, prosperity to the people of Russia and all the best.

      1. Ptah
        Ptah 4 November 2013 13: 20 New
        +4
        Quote: Apollon
        I heartily congratulate you on the day of national unity. Let all hardships and hardships bypass Russia, I wish you prosperity, prosperity to the people of Russia and all the best.

        Thanks Apollo!
        Are you really going to be the only one of the "former Soviet" people who will deliver congratulations to the Russians today?
        1. Walker1975
          Walker1975 4 November 2013 16: 16 New
          +4
          Congratulations on Unity Day! Russia really needs this unity.

          It's just sad that the "Russian marches" do not unite, but divide the citizens of Russia into Russians and non-Russians.
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 5 November 2013 02: 00 New
            +1
            Yes, (a walking woman), does not divide the march into Russians and not Russians. It divides those who are for Russia and those who just came to cut the dough. Rhino filled all the markets.
        2. ele1285
          ele1285 4 November 2013 22: 37 New
          +1
          He is one of the few who does not give stupid advice. And the flag on his avatar is not correct. I listened several times, and all the time goosebumps. I want to ask a question to Gold-wise. Are you green-eyed and reddish?
    2. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 4 November 2013 08: 47 New
      +4
      The poems are certainly beautiful and even impressive. Only now the author did not name the most important thing in the character of a truly Russian person, Nobleness, which always and at all times distinguished Russian from many others. But in essence, today such concepts as Nobility, and honor is not so important, the main thing is to be a hero, know how to fight with anyone they point to, know how to work for the good of the one who pays the most.
      1. George
        George 4 November 2013 09: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: vladsolo56
        Only now the author did not name the most important thing in the character of a truly Russian person, Nobleness

        Vladimir hi
        I do not want to argue on a holiday. But in my opinion, it is Nobility - the Birth of Good, that the author deduces in his work. But this is of course my IMHO.
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 4 November 2013 10: 19 New
          +4
          Quote: GEORGE
          I do not want to argue on a holiday. But in my opinion, it is Nobility - the Birth of Good, that the author deduces in his work. But this is of course my IMHO.

          Yes, nobility means generosity to the defeated enemy, justice in ordinary life.
          1. George
            George 4 November 2013 12: 07 New
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            Quote: vladsolo56
            Quote: GEORGE
            I do not want to argue on a holiday. But in my opinion, it is Nobility - the Birth of Good, that the author deduces in his work. But this is of course my IMHO.

            Yes, nobility means generosity to the defeated enemy, justice in ordinary life.

            Read it again, only slowly and thoughtfully.
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 4 November 2013 11: 58 New
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        Quote: vladsolo56
        The poems are certainly beautiful and even impressive. Only now the author did not name the most important thing in the character of a truly Russian person, Nobleness

        Accept from me for not seeing further beautiful lines.
      3. Igor39
        Igor39 4 November 2013 12: 56 New
        +1
        Patience and an aggravated sense of justice are the main features of the Russian character, but brotherhood and equality are a matter of course.
    3. sergaivenski
      sergaivenski 4 November 2013 08: 54 New
      +2
      Georges, Cool, Very Right Poems !!!
    4. andruha70
      andruha70 4 November 2013 12: 44 New
      +1
      GEORGIAN SU Today, 08:07 ↓

      To be russian
      here with this poem by Evgeny Skvoreshnev, a history textbook should begin good
    5. Walker1975
      Walker1975 4 November 2013 16: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: GEORGE
      Being Russian means blocking the way for bandits,
      That trample our land with a boot.
      To be Russian means to be killed
      Fellow more often than the enemy.


      Does this mean that Russian is most often killed by another Russian?
      But about the bandits: it seems that they have not already entered the road ... everywhere they divorced
  13. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 4 November 2013 08: 13 New
    +6
    Psheki again today will be indignant: protests, insults, "do not come to me, I was offended" and everything like that.)))
    1. vadson
      vadson 4 November 2013 11: 46 New
      +2
      yes kirzach to those who take offense at the back crack
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 4 November 2013 20: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Rattenfanger
      Psheks will be indignant again today
  14. Neighbor
    Neighbor 4 November 2013 08: 20 New
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    A day of reconciliation and consent ... Would you invite Abramovich to your yacht and reconcile with him a little ... Or with Vekselberg in your villa in Spain, agree to pig squeal? I don’t want something with them at all. Yes, and I don’t have yachts with a villa, but my conscience is clear .... It’s better with yours and the proletariat !!! For Russia!!!
    1. kush62
      kush62 4 November 2013 08: 39 New
      +6
      Holidays leave and come again, but Russia will always remain !!! And we saw all our "friends and partners" and their grievances in one place.
    2. ele1285
      ele1285 4 November 2013 08: 42 New
      +5
      I absolutely agree about my conscience. As my neighbor says, a simple driver, they are not gentlemen. VVP will tell them: "Oral!", They will be oral. And try to tell me, I will spit in the face and leave. So, I’m the master. . And he's 128% right.
    3. sergaivenski
      sergaivenski 4 November 2013 09: 01 New
      +5
      "Our" "new Russians" have long had nothing to do with RUSSIA !!!
      to the natural resources of the country, highlighting their spirochetes !!! And the stolen money is dragged "over the hill" !!! Suddenly confiscated in the name of the Law ???
      1. vadson
        vadson 4 November 2013 11: 52 New
        +2
        the looted money over the hill is confiscated faster, there our oligarchs will never be theirs, so they will squeeze it out like a birch and expel like an elastic band. they need to knock out the ground under their feet - to nationalize enterprises and not engage in privatization
    4. RUSS
      RUSS 4 November 2013 09: 54 New
      +1
      Neighbor, today is the Day of National Unity, and the Day of Reconciliation and Consent is November 7th.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 4 November 2013 13: 25 New
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        Quote: RUSS
        and the Day of Reconciliation and Concord is November 7th.

        Phew on this "November 7th". In the best (tolerant) case, forget and forgive. Who does not agree - welcome to get visas wherever you want. More whole will be ............
      2. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 17: 55 New
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        Quote: RUSS
        Reconciliation and Concord Day November 7

        Since 2005, the Day of Military Glory of Russia is the day of the military parade on Red Square in 1941.
    5. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 17: 48 New
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      Yes, my friend, we did not go out with your goys face into their kosher line.
      And by the way, let us recall the words of the fairy-tale grandmother (in those times !!): Oh, you goy, good fellow ..
  15. ZU-23
    ZU-23 4 November 2013 08: 41 New
    +8
    All with a holiday !!! You see, already in the 1612th we had the mind, strength and spirit to take a grudge, and today we have clearly weakened and degraded, and went kind of like to progress in all respects.
    1. Androsh
      Androsh 4 November 2013 18: 48 New
      +2
      Happy holiday! Then Patriarch Germogen called us and Kuzma Minin dreamed three times about Sergius of Radonezh, urging us to collect the militia. Now while the Church is silent, then everything is not so bad.
  16. vlad0
    vlad0 4 November 2013 08: 49 New
    +5
    Not entirely clear and reasonable event for the holiday. It is clear that Yeltsin should have been killed on November 7, and so the "end of the Time of Troubles" was pulled by the ears. Although in the history of the Russian people there were no less significant victories: Alexander Nevsky at Chudskoye, over the Mongol-Tatars at the Kulikovo field, the capture of Kazan by Ivan the Terrible, etc. Why not them?
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 4 November 2013 10: 06 New
      +4
      "It is clear that Yeltsin should have been killed on November 7"

      Have you read the article?

      "This year, Russia will celebrate National Unity Day 8 times in its modern history"

      it turns out it was necessary to ebn, and made moon-faced. for ebn 8 years ago was not the president.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 4 November 2013 10: 17 New
      +5
      If you celebrate all the great victories from the capture of Constantinople to Berlin, when then to work? laughing
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 4 November 2013 10: 40 New
      +9
      Quote: vlad0
      Although in the history of the Russian people there were no less significant victories: Alexander Nevsky on Chudsky, over the Mongol-Tatars on the Kulikovo field, the capture of Kazan by Ivan the Terrible, etc. Why not them?

      And you like that, offhand, remember the dates of these events, not climbing into Wikipedia or is there Yandex? I didn’t, although I had five in history. But on May 9, 1945, everyone remembers, from the youngest to the oldest sclerotic marasmatics. Victory Day is the de facto day of unity. Maybe there are those who don’t like him, but even they don’t risk smearing Victory with shit, because they know - bestowal is best. And so for any date, you can drag the event by the ears.
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 4 November 2013 12: 27 New
        +3
        Honestly, Peipsi Lake-5 April 1242, Kulikovo Field-8 September 1380, but I don’t remember taking Kazan.
        And you are right, they are not smeared yet, but there are still several films like "Hero City on the Volga" and it seems to me that young people will simply get confused. Such a feeling that the script was written by V.I. Novodvorskaya.
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 4 November 2013 13: 33 New
          +3
          October 2, 1552. It is easy to remember.

          Last year there was an "anniversary". Recently, Tatar nationalists began to mark it as a "pichalka". With related activities.

          "Kazan (Kazan) orphan - a person who, wishing to pity someone, pretends to be unhappy, offended, helpless ... Initially: about the Tatar Mirza (princes), who, after the conquest of the Kazan kingdom by Ivan the Terrible, tried to get all kinds of concessions from the Russian tsars, complaining about their bitter lot. "
          Explanatory Dictionary of the Russian Language. Ed. D.N. Ushakova /

          By the way, was the "Russian March" held in Kazan? Who knows.
          1. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 18: 01 New
            +2
            Quote: Ptah
            "The Kazan (Kazan) orphan is a person who, wishing to pity someone, pretends to be unhappy, offended, helpless ... Initially: about the Tatar mirzes (princes) who, after the conquest of the Kazan kingdom by Ivan the Terrible, were trying to get all sorts of concessions from the Russian tsars, complaining about their bitter fate. "

            And the capture and burning of Kazan by E.I. Pugachev? On Mirza, the Orthodox was deep in ...., but the ruin of the Orthodox and those who joined them was sentimental.
  17. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 4 November 2013 08: 49 New
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    Holiday? why are we celebrating? somehow I don’t even notice a movement towards unity. And let many be offended by me, only I prefer to see the truth, and not be touched by beautiful speeches.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 4 November 2013 09: 58 New
      +1
      Do not celebrate, wait for November 7th.
    2. Shaman 21101973
      Shaman 21101973 4 November 2013 10: 01 New
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      For me, the unity of peoples was the years of World War II. When no matter what (communists, non-partisans, believers, atheists ..
      .) gave the Germans the first number. They defended the country and liberated the world from fascism.
      And when the German shouted "Rus surrender," some young soldier responded to him (maybe a Georgian, maybe a Belarusian, maybe a Tatar ...) turn from a machine gun ..... and a few more words from a Russian mat in response .. ...
      And when ours were burning in tanks ... (crews were of different nationalities).
      And when those evacuated from Leningrad, in Tashkent, local residents shared shelter and bread with them ..
      That's when there was unity.
    3. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 4 November 2013 11: 03 New
      +2
      And it is not necessary to celebrate in the accepted sense, and beautiful speeches cannot relax us ... Once you see the truth, you must agree that:
      Russia is a living spiritual system, with its historical gifts and tasks. Moreover, behind it stands a certain divine historical plan, from which we do not dare to abandon and from which we could not renounce, even if we even wanted to ...Not of course I said, but the TRUTH! hi
    4. Walker1975
      Walker1975 4 November 2013 16: 18 New
      +2
      Happy holiday! And I agree with you
  18. drop
    drop 4 November 2013 08: 50 New
    +4
    Russian people, I also congratulate you on the holiday. There is documentary evidence that Pozharsky raised funds for the arming of the people to expel foreigners and traitors from Moscow and the Russian State. Very instructive materials, someday I will tell you. Happy Holidays and the Great March of Solidarity.
  19. makarov
    makarov 4 November 2013 08: 57 New
    +5
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Holiday? why are we celebrating? somehow I don’t even notice a movement towards unity. And let many be offended by me, only I prefer to see the truth, and not be touched by beautiful speeches.

    Now enjoying, then grieving
    holding on to the path of anyone
    be yourself, not you
    put for another.
    И.Г.
  20. awg75
    awg75 4 November 2013 09: 01 New
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    The date is certainly respected, but I will tell the author of the article in secret that the vast majority of Russians do not take this holiday seriously. more precisely, how simple is the day off. it is celebrated by the same characters who spend the day of the Bastille not on dry days. Replacing November 7 with this holiday is simply stupid .... very stupid and somehow cheaply shameful. whatever you may say, we are all descendants of that revolution, no matter how much trouble it might have done
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 4 November 2013 09: 42 New
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      Quote: awg75
      The date is certainly respected, but I will tell the author of the article in secret that the vast majority of Russians do not take this holiday seriously. more precisely, how simple is the day off. it is celebrated by the same characters who spend the day of the Bastille not on dry days. Replacing November 7 with this holiday is simply stupid .... very stupid and somehow cheaply shameful. whatever you may say, we are all descendants of that revolution, no matter how much trouble it might have done

      The year 1612 was analogous to our time, in 1605 the rotten ruling "elite" let the Catholics of the Poles, the worst enemies of the Orthodox Russian people, into the Kremlin. Where was Hermogenes at this time?
      The people in the ancient Russian Veche, at the initiative of the citizen of Nizhny Novgorod, Kozma Minin, donated money for arming the militia. Veche invited Prince Dmitry Pozharsky to lead the army.
      The people drove the Poles out of the Kremlin, from Moscow and from Russia, and entrusted the Romanovs with rule. This event is worth celebrating, and again the Liberals screwed up. What does "unity" and the icon of the Mother of God have to do with it?
      Who united with whom? Poles with a Russian club?
      7 of November is not just a change of power in the Russian Empire, it is the onset of a new era in the history of mankind. For the first time, the people, on a legal basis, began to rule the state without nobles and rich.
      For the first time, all people received equal rights.
      The All-Russian Congress of Soviets of 7 on November 1917 of the year abolished the division of the inhabitants of the empire into estates, an example was contagious for the whole World.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 4 November 2013 12: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: Corsair5912
        Where was Germogen at that time?

        It’s not difficult to find out - you only need desire.
        Quote: Corsair5912
        What does it mean ... the icon of the Mother of God?

        You don’t even know how much the icon meant to a Russian person of that time.
        The Orthodox stood up and lay down with prayer. As well as went into another world.
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 4 November 2013 13: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Flood
          It’s not difficult to find out - you only need desire.

          You don’t even know how much the icon meant to a Russian person of that time.
          The Orthodox stood up and lay down with prayer. As well as went into another world.

          I know the official version. But the fact that Germogen recognized the king of the Pole as a fact is not denied by anyone, and after a fight under a lying stone they do not wave their fists.
          Very soon, there is an icon of the same name.
          Orthodox people of that time, and of later times, did not differ in religious zeal, did not read the Bible, did not know prayers, and visited churches only when necessary.
          According to a survey conducted by the All-Russian Public Opinion Research Center, only 9% of respondents who called themselves Orthodox said that they observe all religious rites and participate in church life. At the same time, 36% noted that Orthodoxy is their ancestral tradition. According to a survey conducted by the Public Opinion Foundation in January-February of 2010, only 4% of Orthodox Russians regularly attend the church and receive communion
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 4 November 2013 15: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: Corsair5912
            I know the official version. But the fact that Germogen recognized the king of the Pole as a fact is not denied by anyone, and after a fight under a lying stone they do not wave their fists.

            Details please. Which Pole did he recognize as king?
            And at the same time you can ask how he ended his earthly life.
            Quote: Corsair5912
            Orthodox people of that time, and of later times, did not differ in religious zeal, did not read the Bible, did not know prayers, visited churches only when necessary

            What is such a confident statement based on?
            On VTsIOM data for 2010 year?
            I will not give examples and facts known to me.
            Since you are simply unfounded.
            1. Corsair5912
              Corsair5912 4 November 2013 15: 50 New
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              Quote: Flood
              Details please. Which Pole did he recognize as king?
              And at the same time you can ask how he ended his earthly life.

              Korolevich Vladislav the son of the Polish king Zhigimont Vazy in 1610-1612 years, was a Russian tsar. They overthrew him for refusing to convert to the Orthodox faith. The Polish Honor cost the prince the royal throne.
              As far as I remember, Germogen was killed by the Poles for demanding the transfer of Vladislav to Orthodoxy. I finished school 43 years ago, it’s not a sin to forget something.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 4 November 2013 16: 50 New
                +1
                Quote: Corsair5912
                Korolevich Vladislav the son of the Polish king Zhigimont Vazy in 1610-1612 years, was a Russian tsar. They overthrew him for refusing to convert to the Orthodox faith. The Polish Honor cost the prince the royal throne.

                Well, if you know, so why blame Hermogenes for something like this.
                Explore the conditions under which Vladislav Zhigimontovich was adopted: http://www.sedmitza.ru/lib/text/443568/ (From the agreement of the patriarch Germogen and the boyars with the hetman Zholkevsky on the calling of the Polish prince Vladislav to the Russian throne. August 17, 1610)
              2. anarh
                anarh 4 November 2013 17: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: Corsair5912
                As far as I remember, Germogen was killed by the Poles for demanding the transfer of Vladislav to Orthodoxy. I finished school 43 years ago, it’s not a sin to forget something.

                So you read about Hermogenes at school?
                43 years ago?
                Eight years later finished. We have not been read. smile

                Germogen for demanding the transfer of Tsarevich Vladislav to Orthodoxy and the withdrawal of Polish troops from the territory of Russia - imprisoned.
                Lyakhi Germogen not killed (gut thin).
                Holding in the confinement they stopped feeding and starved to death.
                But this was undertaken for a call to confront the Poles.
            2. Corsair5912
              Corsair5912 4 November 2013 16: 13 New
              +2
              Quote: Flood
              What is such a confident statement based on?
              On VTsIOM data for 2010 year?
              I will not give examples and facts known to me.
              Since you are simply unfounded.

              Alas, in the question of the Christian zeal and high piety of the people in the 17th century, everyone is unfounded, even the "official historians", both about and against. VTsIOM was not yet there.
              It is unlikely that then the people were more religious than in the 18-19 century. That's what contemporaries write.
              Atheism in tsarist Russia was "outlawed". The column "religion" was replaced by "nationality" in the documents. Sectarians, Old Believers, Baptists, Uniates were discriminated against, including criminal prosecution. There was no institution of civil marriage, which is why interfaith marriages were extremely difficult. There was also no unified system for registering births, marriages, and deaths. It was replaced by church registers and other similar registers kept for each denomination separately. In addition to registers of births, the so-called. "confession books" for the recording of persons who attended confession and communion. Attendance at confession was compulsory for government officials and students. In relation to those who evaded this duty, strict measures were applied, up to expulsion from service (from an educational institution).
              The inculcation of religion in school did not hinder, and perhaps even contributed to, the decline of religiosity among young people. Teaching was often formal, official, and cramming prevailed. The aim of the teaching was to educate loyal subjects loyal to the authorities of all levels, "the Throne and Fatherland".
              Among young people, especially sensitive to falsehood and routine obligations, "religiosity", supported by disciplinary measures, caused rejection and protest. It is hardly accidental that the most inveterate "nihilists" left the walls of theological seminaries and schools (Dobrolyubov, Chernyshevsky, Dzhugashvili (Stalin).
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 4 November 2013 16: 43 New
                +1
                Quote: Corsair5912
                Alas, in the question of the Christian zeal and high piety of the people in the 17th century, everyone is unfounded, even the "official historians", both about and against.

                Well, was it worth it to make porridge in order to then admit the lack of factual material?
                Quote: Corsair5912
                It is unlikely that then the people were more religious than in the 18-19 century. That's what contemporaries write.

                Have you read it yourself? What are contemporaries? 18-19 centuries? Then what does Dzhugashvili have to do with it?
                And how can the drawn lines indicate the level of religiosity?
                1. 11111mail.ru
                  11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 18: 29 New
                  0
                  Quote: Flood
                  about the level of religiosity

                  Patriarch Nikon, Archpriest Habakkuk, the split is still ahead, so that it comes to blood, the burning of Habakkuk and the Solovetsky seat, the uprising of Stenka Razin, two more generations must be lived. In the meantime, it is enough that the Latins captured the Kremlin in order to reassemble the militia on the periphery.
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 4 November 2013 18: 51 New
                    +1
                    Quote: 11111mail.ru
                    Patriarch Nikon, Archpriest Habakkuk, the split is still ahead, so that it comes to blood, the burning of Habakkuk and the Solovetsky seat, the uprising of Stenka Razin, two more generations must be lived

                    Do I understand correctly that these lines are addressed to a greater extent by Corsair 5912?
                    For I have nothing to object to you.
            3. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 18: 20 New
              -1
              Quote: Flood
              Which Pole did he recognize as king?

              Vladislav (accent on the second syllable).
          2. anarh
            anarh 4 November 2013 17: 30 New
            +3
            Quote: Corsair5912
            Orthodox people of that time, and of later times, did not differ in religious zeal, did not read the Bible, did not know prayers, and visited churches only when necessary.

            You are the Orthodox confused with the corsairs.
            1. Corsair5912
              Corsair5912 4 November 2013 17: 58 New
              +3
              Quote: anarh

              You are the Orthodox confused with the corsairs.

              Well, no.
              Among the corsairs were also Orthodox.
              Corsairs of Tsar Ivan IV the Terrible

              We are at sea, by the will of the Terrible king,
              At the risk of recklessly heads
              All ships of the original enemy
              We storm with battle axes.

              Here our grandfathers made a mark
              By whom the Russian Land was raised,
              And their proud sea in the New City
              Flattering, it once carried from Sunset.

              Again on the sides are scarlet shields
              And the lies on the banners spread their wings,
              We don’t need crosses on sails,
              Svyatovit blesses the battle.

              Arcons ghosts of descendants will find out
              And the souls of sailors fly over pennants
              We are seagulls, screaming, lead
              Hope in revenge, the fallen cherish.

              Brutal Briton, Swedes and the Hansa,
              Seeing the ancient banner, tremble,
              Varyazhskoe sea, as centuries ago,
              Caresses, and the waves shine menacingly.

              We clear the way to the sunset ocean
              Enemies and hurricanes are not afraid of us,
              Flaps the wings of Perun vran
              Where the midday countries bloom.

              And where is the wretched Chukhn now,
              On huddled farms huddles,
              The rich will build cities
              And the sea will cheer from guests.

              We’re not counting enemies on the way,
              And the corsairs do not know how to retreat,
              We're not trying to get away from the battle
              And Russian flags on the masts fly.

              We are not giving up, two against a hundred,
              We were born to the enemies of Russia on the mountain,
              We perish by the will of the Terrible king
              And the sea takes us native.

              We started, the descendants will complete,
              Great battle people do not scare
              It's easy to rewrite history
              Let lies always distinguish from truth.

              Let us remember our difficult life
              May our grandchildren not forget our Truth,
              And may they keep their Fatherland,
              So that grandfathers of flour would not be in vain.
      2. Walker1975
        Walker1975 4 November 2013 16: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Corsair5912
        The All-Russian Congress of Soviets of 7 on November 1917 of the year abolished the division of the inhabitants of the empire into estates, an example was contagious for the whole World.


        And instead of the nobility, the clergy, the peasantry ... there appeared: the party nomenklatura (and do not say that it was not an estate), serfs (for a long time they did not even give passports and did not pay pensions), the proletariat, prisoners and the "stratum" intelligentsia ... And each class had its own laws. Already only at the end of the USSR, two estates remained: the party bureaucracy and all the rest.
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 4 November 2013 17: 43 New
          +4
          Quote: Walker1975
          And instead of the nobility, the clergy, the peasantry ... there appeared: the party nomenklatura (and do not say that it was not an estate), serfs (for a long time they did not even give passports and did not pay pensions), the proletariat, prisoners and the "stratum" intelligentsia ... And each class had its own laws. Already only at the end of the USSR, two estates remained: the party bureaucracy and all the rest.

          That you tell in Israel.
          Before entering the nomenclature in the USSR, 10-20 had to work successfully in production for years, join the party, break into one of the regional committee-regional committees to successfully work there for several years. It was available to any worker, peasant, engineer.
          Children of nobles, priests, merchants and other privileged classes received all the privileges from birth, and the children of peasants had virtually no chance of becoming nobles, priests and merchants.
          Understand the difference or explain in detail.
          As for the peasants, you will talk about them when you learn how to rip off rolls from trees.
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 18: 34 New
          +1
          Gulyak, and indeed under Nicholas II, the following were specified as the determining personality of the established: Orthodox, Catholic, Mohammedan, etc.
          Quote: Walker1975
          at the end of the USSR, two classes remained: the party bureaucracy and all the rest.

          You forgot to mention (pah, God forgive me!) INTELLIGENCE.
      3. anarh
        anarh 4 November 2013 17: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: Corsair5912
        Where was Germogen at that time?

        Since December 1610, the Patriarch, while in custody, sent letters to the cities calling for the fight against Polish intervention.
        Blessed both militias, designed to free Moscow from the Poles. The letters sent by the Patriarch to cities and villages excited the Russian people to liberate Moscow from enemies.
        Muscovites revolted, in response to which the Poles set fire to the city, and themselves took refuge in the Kremlin. Together with some traitors from the boyars, they forcibly brought Saint Patriarch Germogen from the Patriarchal throne and imprisoned him in the Miracle Monastery.
        On Bright Monday, 1611, the Russian militia approached Moscow and began the siege of the Kremlin, which lasted several months. The Poles besieged in the Kremlin more than once sent ambassadors to the Patriarch demanding that he order the Russian militias to leave the city, threatening him with the death penalty.
        The saint firmly answered:
        “What are you threatening me with? I'm afraid of one God. If all of you, Lithuanian people, come from the Moscow state, I will bless the Russian militia to go from Moscow, if you stay here, I will bless everyone to stand against you and die for the Orthodox faith. ”

        Already from captivity, Germogen addressed the last message to the Russian people, blessing the war of liberation against the conquerors. [6]

        17 February 1612 year, not waiting for the liberation of Moscow, died of starvation.
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 4 November 2013 17: 47 New
          -2
          Quote: anarh
          Already from captivity, Germogen addressed the last message to the Russian people, blessing the war of liberation against the conquerors. [6]
          17 February 1612 year, not waiting for the liberation of Moscow, died of starvation.

          And fig, you retell Wikipedia here?
          Well, Germogen wrote proclamations against Vladislav Zhigimontovich the Russian Tsar. And what from this? He blessed him to the kingdom.
          Hindsight is strong.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 4 November 2013 18: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: Corsair5912
            And fig, you retell Wikipedia here?
            Well, Germogen wrote proclamations against Vladislav Zhigimontovich the Russian Tsar. And what from this? He blessed him to the kingdom.
            Hindsight is strong.

            "Minus" Corsair5912 from corsair.
            Even Wikipedia, but the data is accurate.
            Read the comment from Aleksys2following your ...
            1. Corsair5912
              Corsair5912 5 November 2013 18: 18 New
              -2
              Quote: Corsair
              "Minus" Corsair5912 from Corsair.
              Even Wikipedia, but the data is accurate.
              Read the comment from Aleksys2 following your ...

              And you minus.
              Since December 1610, the Patriarch, being in custody, sent letters to cities calling for the fight against Polish intervention.

              Kozma Minin and Dmitry Pozharsky acted independently of Hermogenes and there is no need to repeat priestly lies about sending letters from prison.
              Hermogen did not have a computer, printer, and network connection.
              The text needs to be analyzed, colleague.
        2. Aleksys2
          Aleksys2 4 November 2013 17: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: anarh
          Since December 1610, the Patriarch, while in custody, sent letters to the cities calling for the fight against Polish intervention.

          Oh, cunning, why didn’t they post the first part?
          3 July 1606 in Moscow, the Cathedral of Russian hierarchs, St. Germogen was appointed Patriarch of Moscow. He remained a supporter of Vasily Shuisky, supported him in suppressing the uprising of southern cities, desperately opposed his overthrow. [4]
          He was an ardent opponent of the seven-boyars, in spite of everything, he tried to organize the election of a new Tsar from the Russian clan (he was the first to offer this post to Mikhail Romanov). [8] Reluctantly, he agreed to recognize Vladislav Sigismundovich as the Russian Tsar, subject to his Orthodox baptism and the withdrawal of Polish troops from Russia . [4] After the Poles refused to fulfill these conditions, he began to write appeals to the Russian people, urging him to fight. Since December 1610, the Patriarch, while in custody, sent letters to the cities calling for the fight against Polish intervention. Blessed both militias, designed to free Moscow from the Poles. Etc.
          1. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 18: 38 New
            0
            Quote: Aleksys2
            Reluctantly

            Here is a true hierarch! Creaked, but agreed! (probably in the name of reconciliation and consent ??).
    2. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 4 November 2013 11: 22 New
      +2
      ++. You are right, of course, BUT, today’s day is called, listen ...PEOPLE'S UNITY, not the unity of officials and oligarchs with the people.And the people in Russia are always united in times dangerous for the country and who, if not the PEOPLE, always helped the Russian army and navy! hi
      1. varov14
        varov14 4 November 2013 14: 41 New
        +2
        "PEOPLE'S UNITY" - just wonderful. Only one thing - confusion in the head of our power. With one hand, she establishes this very Day of National Unity, and with the other she rewrites recent history, and, in recent years, not for the first time. And 1612 somehow ceases to inspire. A people without a shepherd, whatever they say, like a flock of sheep without a shepherd. And yet there is no shepherd from the authorities and the people are in disarray, as can be seen from the comments, and especially in life.
  21. stroporez
    stroporez 4 November 2013 09: 17 New
    +3
    as Taras Bulba used to say ---- "... meanly it started up on our land .." eh ... to knock off this scab .......
  22. APASUS
    APASUS 4 November 2013 09: 21 New
    +2
    Today the Poles have a day of mourning, they miscalculated Moscow and got a kick in the ass. It's hard for them to remember.
    1. Archibald
      Archibald 4 November 2013 10: 37 New
      0
      There, "ours" with the Poles were unmeasured.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 4 November 2013 21: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Archibald
        There, "ours" with the Poles were unmeasured.

        That’s why time is called Dismayed.
    2. Ptah
      Ptah 4 November 2013 13: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: APASUS
      Poles have a day of mourning

      I suggest that they send "Moulin Likes" in social networks. In the form of reparations. laughing
  23. Kassik
    Kassik 4 November 2013 09: 30 New
    +5
    A holiday is, of course, good ... Only there is no unity ...
    Everything is sold, resold and even souls !!!
  24. anarh
    anarh 4 November 2013 09: 35 New
    14
    November 4, the Russian Orthodox Church celebrates the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God.
    The Kazan icon of the Mother of God is one of the most beloved images of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Russia. Kazan is revered as the patroness of the family, it is no coincidence that the image is presented at the wedding and baptism of children, and as a healer in illnesses, and as a savior of the Fatherland in the difficult times of troubles, wars, and national disasters
    November 4 ("Autumn Kazan"), in memory of how on November 4, 1612, the troops of the people's militia, gathered by Kuzma Minin, led by Prince Dimitri Pozharsky, and shaded by the miraculous image of the Kazan Mother of God, drove the Polish invaders out of Kitay-gorod, which was the beginning of the end of the great troubles

    In 1709, before the Battle of Poltava, Peter the Great with his army prayed before her for the gift of victory. It is known how this image was revered by A.V. Suvorov. They also prayed for the gift of victory before the shrine in 1812, one such prayer service - when M.I. Kutuzov left for the army - was well remembered by the witnesses of the event by the spiritual upsurge of unity that everyone experienced. And in the same 1812, on the feast of the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God, the Russian troops led by Miloradovich and Platov broke the rearguard of Davout. This was the first major defeat of the French after leaving Moscow, the enemy lost 7 thousand people.

    Happy holiday, Orthodox!
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 4 November 2013 11: 05 New
      +2
      + + +.Thank you, reminded! Happy Orthodox !!! hi
      1. bask
        bask 4 November 2013 11: 39 New
        +7
        ALL WITH THE HOLIDAY OF THE KAZAN ICON OF GOD'S MOTHER

        PEOPLE'S UNITY DAY

        WE WILL BE THE ONE RUSSIAN-UNTIL WE ARE ONE, WE ARE UNBEATABLE. !!!!!
        1. Aleksys2
          Aleksys2 4 November 2013 11: 53 New
          -8
          Quote: bask
          ALL WITH THE HOLIDAY OF THE KAZAN ICON OF GOD'S MOTHER

          With all due respect, "Happy Holidays, everyone" will not work, because:
          The FOM data for June 2013 are as follows:
          I do not consider myself a believer - 25%
          Orthodoxy - 64%
          Other Christian denominations (Catholics, Protestants, Uniates, Baptists, etc.) - 1%
          Islam - 6%
          Other religions - 1%
          Difficult to answer, I can’t name a particular denomination - 4%
          1. Valery Neonov
            Valery Neonov 4 November 2013 13: 15 New
            +2
            I don’t know what denomination you belong to, but on an Orthodox holiday it’s not good to “indulge” in statistics! stop
            1. Aleksys2
              Aleksys2 4 November 2013 13: 34 New
              -3
              Quote: Valery Neonov
              but on an Orthodox holiday it's not good to "indulge" in statistics!

              So is the Orthodox holiday? Then what kind of unity are we talking about? Or do you deny the right to live in Russia to people of other faiths?
              1. Aleksys2
                Aleksys2 4 November 2013 13: 56 New
                -2
                Quote: Aleksys2
                Or do you deny the right to live in Russia to people of other faiths?

                Judging by the minus "Russia is only for the Orthodox."
          2. Aleksys2
            Aleksys2 4 November 2013 13: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: Aleksys2
            With all due respect

            Minusoids have something to argue on the merits of the issue?
            1. bask
              bask 4 November 2013 17: 17 New
              +4
              Quote: Aleksys2
              , what to argue on the merits?

              The answer is one.

              -UNTIL WE ARE ONE, WE ARE UNBEATABLE. !!!!!

              Prayer to the Blessed Virgin Mary, before the Battle of Borodino
          3. Walker1975
            Walker1975 4 November 2013 16: 26 New
            +2
            And how many of 64% partake and confess?
    2. Ptah
      Ptah 4 November 2013 13: 39 New
      +8
      Quote: anarh
      The Kazan icon of the Mother of God is one of the most beloved images of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Russia. Kazan is revered as the patroness of the family, it is no coincidence that the image is presented at the wedding and baptism of children, and as a healer in illnesses, and as a savior of the Fatherland in the difficult times of troubles, wars, and national disasters

      At last. Who first remembered! good
      My family and I arrived from the temple two hours ago. drinks
    3. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 18: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: anarh
      Happy holiday, Orthodox!

      Duc holiday, we, gentleman, we don’t discuss the Kazan Mother of God ... The Tsar Silent established it in 7157 from the creation of the world, we know. Yes, here with unity it is only at the Holy Trinity ... Yes, where is the unity here? With new boyars, Latins, too? Ali with the servants of Mamon? Teach us orphans ...
  25. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 4 November 2013 09: 35 New
    +4
    When the question arose about the life of Russia, everyone arose in a single system and ordinary citizens and princes. The fate of the country was decided by the people. Hateful Poles were thrown out of Russia. Glory to the Russian people!
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 09: 46 New
      +3
      Among the prisoners taken by the militia in the Kremlin was the head of the then Moscow kingdom (oligarchs in the present), but they did not begin to shorten them by the size of their heads. Probably from there and reconciliation with the then traitors.
  26. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 November 2013 09: 44 New
    12
    In general, November 7 is the day of the Great October Socialist Revolution! (one of my three favorite holidays and the whole Soviet people) Then there was unity .. Demonstrations music played a popular walk was .. All the streets were packed with people with children .. Then there was a real feeling of unity! The people and the party are one, etc. Do you remember the parade on Red Square on November 7, the 41st German near Moscow ??? Troops marching on Red Square (Stalin’s government on the podium of the mausoleum) and immediately to the front .. Hitler squealed from anger already .. broadcast was all over the world! That was the strength of spirit and unity of our people! After this parade, a turning point has come, I think .. Once again with the holiday of all OUR!
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 4 November 2013 10: 14 New
      +1
      In order for the holiday to become truly popular, a generational change and time are needed.
  27. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 4 November 2013 09: 48 New
    +1
    The culmination of the people's liberation struggle of 1612 was the creation of the 10th militia, consisting of service people, Cossacks, archers and peasants - representatives of all layers of the then Russian society. Representatives of almost all peoples living in what was then Russia took part in the struggle to preserve the country.

    It's just that the people stood up for the fight, with the exception of the traitors: the leaders of the "seven-boyars" [the government in Russia after the overthrow of Tsar V.I.Shuisky-princes F.I.Mstislavsky in July 1610,
    I.M. Vorotynsky, A.V. Golitsin, B.M.Lykov, I.N. Romanov, F.I.Sheremetyev, M.F.Romanov (future tsar)], who swore allegiance to the "Russian tsar" Vladislav (son of the Polish King Sigismund III) and secretly on September 21, 1610 let the Polish troops into Moscow.
    The people's militia of D.M. Pozharsky on November 6, 1612, after the surrender of the Polish garrison, entered the liberated Kremlin. And the "seven-boyars", fearing the anger of the people on November 5, 1612 "organized" fled from the Kremlin to other cities of Russia.

    I am surprised by the fact that later the traitor of the Russian people M.F. Romanov ascended the throne, and his father F. Romanov (Filaret) became the patriarch
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 4 November 2013 09: 55 New
      +7
      Quote: vlad.svargin
      I am surprised by the fact that later the traitor of the Russian people M.F. Romanov ascended the throne, and his father F. Romanov (Filaret) became the patriarch

      An extremely interesting fact, no doubt.
      As a result, they chose the one who was "equally concerned about" all the electors, i.e. passed the column "against all". But in the first days of the “election” Misha Romanov was not taken seriously by anyone.
      In general, and at the beginning of the 17th century, democratic elections took place in Russia.
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 19: 11 New
        0
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        elections took place to be in Russia

        Rather, in Moscow, and the Cossacks, led by Zarutsky, put the supposedly comfortable tsar, but his uncle Filaret didn’t turn exactly where the Vatican’s representatives were sending him, but the bomb under Orthodoxy was already planted, and it was pulled by the church SPLIT under Alexei Mikhailovich, and under the original development of Russia with his granddaughter - Pyotr Alekseevich.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 4 November 2013 20: 43 New
          +4
          Quote: 11111mail.ru
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          elections took place to be in Russia
          Rather, in Moscow,

          If the "then" CEC was in Moscow, then yes ...
  28. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 4 November 2013 09: 50 New
    +7
    But as for me, the authorities had to choose whatever they wanted, so as not to dissociate themselves from the October Revolution, even the expulsion of the Poles from Moscow, even the drunks from Mukhosk. Well, now the priests will perform there, Putin will read something on a piece of paper and that's all. In short, another mediocre undertaking of power. And by the way, if Minin and Pozharsky had come to our time, and if they had looked at what was happening in Moscow and in Russia, they would have rushed to collect a new militia so that the evil that turned out to be loaded into the cannon in the Kremlin and shoot towards Washington.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 4 November 2013 10: 09 New
      +1
      Maybe so, but let's say this holiday is not new, they celebrated until 1917, especially since the Orthodox have a holiday today. And on the occasion of the Revolution, it remained a memorable date in Russia, mark, celebrate, no one crosses it out of history, it will remain the Great Revolution in new textbooks.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 4 November 2013 13: 44 New
        +4
        Quote: RUSS
        in the new textbooks, she will remain the Great Revolution.

        But no. If everything is more or less clear with the "Tatar-Mongol yoke", then there are more questions than answers about "November 7".
        And if "Jewish coup" is not called (tolerantly so), then we are surely "Great" (for Russians). hi
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 4 November 2013 19: 21 New
          +4
          Quote: Ptah
          "Jewish coup" will not be called (tolerastnenko so), then we are already "Great" (for Russians)

          Well, why are you so, not politically correct! Again to quote the percentage of the "sealed carriage", companions of Lev Davydovich and SovNarkom?
          Until Ber-Lazar approves, no one will squeak their "free-thinkers". Written by Mikhail Vasilyevich Lomonosov "History of the Russian State" - the highest is not approved and EVERYTHING! Miller and Schlözer are Russian classics.
    2. Kassik
      Kassik 4 November 2013 10: 59 New
      +1
      smile
      Yes Yes Yes!!!
    3. Guilty
      Guilty 4 November 2013 19: 26 New
      +1
      Some have already reached, Kvachkov, for example.
  29. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 4 November 2013 10: 05 New
    +7
    November XNUMXth Day -
    Red day calendar.
    Look out your window:
    Everything on the street is red!

    Flags at the gates
    Blazing in flames.
    See, the music is coming
    Where the trams went.

    All people - both young and old -
    Celebrates freedom.
    And my red ball flies
    Straight to the sky!

    S.Ya. Marshak
    =================================

    Unity Day
    Celebrates every year.
    Who is a Russian patriot.
    Who loves our homeland,
    Not her sweeter and more beautiful!
    And in the November day
    The congratulations will ring loudly
    In honor of the people of the militia,
    Homeland liberation.
    From the interventionists
    To the capital of applicants.
    Glory to the brave people
    For Russian freedom!
  30. Barmalej
    Barmalej 4 November 2013 10: 09 New
    +4
    Happy Russians, peace and peace on our land!
  31. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 4 November 2013 10: 09 New
    10
    On this day, it is necessary to remember all the warriors who died in battles with the Poles and not only Russians, the militia included the Chuvashs, Tatars, Mordovians and other residents of the Volga region.

    Will
    We were the warriors of Russia,
    The country sent us into battle
    To the Crusaders, to Batu,
    To the guns near Borodin.

    And without distinction of religions,
    And without the difference of languages,
    We didn’t spare our lives,
    To repel enemies.

    We are Muslims, Christians,
    War took us in blood
    Nobles, Cossacks, peasants,
    But the motherland is one for all.

    We won near Poltava,
    Near Stalingrad, near Moscow,
    Not many were crowned with glory
    And not for fame did we go into battle.

    We were betrayed, beaten in the back,
    From Petersburg and the Kremlin,
    But did not break our strength,
    Strong Russian land.

    We are not philosophers, but a thought
    Everyone knows the soldier:
    “As long as there is war in the world,
    The main thing is power, there is no law. ”

    We hope for you, living ones,
    A country is left for you
    "May Russia be exalted!
    May our names disappear! "
  32. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 November 2013 10: 17 New
    +4
    Quote: Corsair5912
    On this day, it is necessary to remember all the warriors who died in battles with the Poles and not only Russians, the militia included the Chuvashs, Tatars, Mordovians and other residents of the Volga region.

    Will
    We were the warriors of Russia,
    The country sent us into battle
    To the Crusaders, to Batu,
    To the guns near Borodin.

    And without distinction of religions,
    And without the difference of languages,
    We didn’t spare our lives,
    To repel enemies.

    We are Muslims, Christians,
    War took us in blood
    Nobles, Cossacks, peasants,
    But the motherland is one for all.

    We won near Poltava,
    Near Stalingrad, near Moscow,
    Not many were crowned with glory
    And not for fame did we go into battle.

    We were betrayed, beaten in the back,
    From Petersburg and the Kremlin,
    But did not break our strength,
    Strong Russian land.

    We are not philosophers, but a thought
    Everyone knows the soldier:
    “As long as there is war in the world,
    The main thing is power, there is no law. ”

    We hope for you, living ones,
    A country is left for you
    "May Russia be exalted!
    May our names disappear! "

    Great wrote ..! Eternal memory to all those who died for Great Russia! In unity, our strength and all this foam will soon settle down ..
  33. Borz
    Borz 4 November 2013 10: 18 New
    17
    Happy holiday brothers!
  34. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 4 November 2013 10: 21 New
    +3
    The Day of National Unity is definitely needed by our country. However, in their hatred of socialist history, to the Day of the Great Socialist Revolution, our government made a "new" holiday, as always, laying down contradictions. Foolishly or intentionally? To be precise, the Kremlin and Moscow were liberated from the Poles on November 7th. In, damn bad luck. Believers, of course, will always celebrate the Day of the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God. But, this day does not pull on the Day of National Unity.
    1. I am
      I am 4 November 2013 22: 07 New
      0
      But !!! The Day of the Great October Socialist Revolution, many will celebrate !!!! Do not forget, and here somewhere a post with the corresponding congratulations to place. Beautiful in the USSR it was a holiday .....
  35. GUSAR
    GUSAR 4 November 2013 10: 23 New
    +3
    All a happy holiday !!!
  36. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 4 November 2013 10: 31 New
    +3
    Congratulations to all on a holiday! Peace and prosperity.
  37. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 4 November 2013 10: 32 New
    +8
    ALL WITH A HOLIDAY! But truth is more expensive ...

    We emphasize that on October 22 (November 4) Orthodox Christians celebrate not the anniversary of the militia taking Moscow Kitay-Gorod - a one-time event that does not move depending on the century, but the miracles of the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God, their symbolic connection with the liberation of Moscow and the whole country from interventionists. The connection, which, as we have seen, has become entrenched in the minds of Russian people by the middle of the XNUMXth century, is much later than the events of interest and the end of the Time of Troubles. So, from the point of view of the people of the Church and the Orthodox churches, there is no chronological error.

    But why did the legislators of the state, under the Constitution separate from the Church, approve, giving it a secular verbal wrapper, an essentially church feast? Or are we missing something? Maybe in 1612 something important happened exactly on November 4 according to the new style, or on October 25 according to the Julian calendar? No, Russian sources amicably silent about this day. In the mentioned diary, under November 4, there is a brief record of an insignificant attempt to repel an attack. We trust her, although she is in great doubt. But no other evidence of Sunday on October 25 (November 4) of 1612 was left to us by contemporaries.

    Such a misfortune! It turns out, strictly speaking, that on November 4, 2005 we will celebrate the anniversary of November 4, 1612, the day when not a single noticeable event related to the "liberation of Moscow from the Polish invaders" or the "end of the Time of Troubles" occurred .

    Source - http://rusadvice.org/science/directions/4_noyabrya_zloklyucheniya_odnoy_rossiysk
    oy_dati.html # ixzz2jej8ZKbJ
  38. vezunchik
    vezunchik 4 November 2013 10: 35 New
    +7
    now 20 million irregular migrants. Another 15 million and the Syrian option in Russia is provided! But scientists already recommend allowing these 15 million people to enter! While Amer’s rats rule, there will be no unity ... Slowly but surely, the country is being drawn into a civil war ...
    http://anna-news.info/taxonomy/term/2720
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 4 November 2013 10: 53 New
      +4
      No need to scare .. This horde is ours for any simply untrained and hungry .. They wanted freedom, so they got it .. They can't establish a normal life without us, so they run to the "occupants" And they will not fight with us intuitively feeling that if that they are immediately destroyed and who will feed them. (Russia is not the same as in the 90s) .. I do not want to offend anyone if that is just a fact ..
    2. Rattenfanger
      Rattenfanger 4 November 2013 15: 53 New
      0
      Quote: vezunchik
      now 20 million irregular migrants. Another 15 million and the Syrian option in Russia is provided!

      I don’t know about the Syrian version, but they can try to twist the feint with ears in the Kosovo style.
  39. Gardamir
    Gardamir 4 November 2013 10: 43 New
    +4
    The current government wants us to forget our history. All holidays are remake. Christmas is the second new year. Russia Day is Bush’s birthday. Well, to close this holiday on November 7, and what was 400 years ago no one really knows. Over the years, many holidays can be invented. For example, the anniversary of the vocation of Rurik.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 4 November 2013 14: 14 New
      +7
      Correctly! It is necessary to celebrate the day of the Great October Socialist Revolution !!!
      1. I am
        I am 4 November 2013 22: 08 New
        0
        SEPARATE POST NEEDED !!!!!
  40. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 4 November 2013 10: 55 New
    +8
    a purely Moscow holiday, we don’t feel it on the periphery, I will celebrate October
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 4 November 2013 12: 27 New
      +3
      Plus to you! I think the same thing ..
  41. Igor62
    Igor62 4 November 2013 10: 58 New
    0
    Quote: bodriy
    Glory to the heroism of our ancestors, our fraternal peoples !!!
  42. not good
    not good 4 November 2013 11: 01 New
    +8
    Unfortunately, the real unity of the peoples of our country is manifested only in the case of great upheavals, in the kind of World War II, and not at the direction of the top, as a result of the next holiday appointed by the meager rulers. For me, the unity of the people is when a colleague, a Muslim friend congratulates me with words Christ is Risen with an Orthodox holiday, rather than yelling at Alakh Square with an akbar. Unfortunately, we, the Soviet generation of our Motherland, remember such national unity, and young people see this as just the entrance. And I can’t explain to my son who openly says when they are employed:. ... it’s more profitable for me to take Uzbeks .... why should he (son) say that this is a holiday. In general, who believes that there is such a holiday is a holiday, and I went to work.
  43. individual
    individual 4 November 2013 11: 01 New
    +8
    The holidays of the bright future were canceled, the dark past was introduced into the red dates of the calendar.
    "If you mix a bright future with a dark past, you don't get a gray present."
  44. RUSS
    RUSS 4 November 2013 11: 04 New
    -10 qualifying.
    Quote: soldier's grandson
    a purely Moscow holiday, we don’t feel it on the periphery, I will celebrate October

    You are an ignoramus, unchrist, and I swear!
    1. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 4 November 2013 11: 10 New
      +9
      you’re wrong, I’m more Russian than you, you want to celebrate this holiday, but outside the Moscow Ring Road it’s useless
      1. vadson
        vadson 4 November 2013 12: 16 New
        +2
        Well, yes, a regular day off. sorry no November 7th. they are trying to destroy the people's memory, something has already happened, the youth has not celebrated November 7th. only a generation and the October Revolution will be remembered only by historians.
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      3. RUSS
        RUSS 4 November 2013 13: 00 New
        -1
        Who are you to decide who will celebrate it and why there is no need for it outside the Moscow Ring Road? Are you not a Russian? I think you are a migrant who does not care about the history, holidays and traditions of Russia. Celebrate November 7, no one bothers you, while others celebrate November 4, and there is no need to "mix" these two dates.
  45. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 4 November 2013 11: 10 New
    +8
    Quote: Gardamir
    The current government wants us to forget our history. All holidays are remake. Christmas is the second new year. Russia Day is Bush’s birthday. Well, to close this holiday on November 7, and what was 400 years ago no one really knows. Over the years, many holidays can be invented. For example, the anniversary of the vocation of Rurik.

    I agree of course .. I remember the parade on May 9 was canceled (how many veterans from this news got a heart attack ..) November 7 is a red calendar day .. look out of your window as it is light outside ...! It’s very difficult to impose holidays .. (I think November 4 is not a holiday .. there is no feeling to be honest ..)
  46. RUSS
    RUSS 4 November 2013 11: 12 New
    -2
    Quote: Gardamir
    The current government wants us to forget our history. All holidays are remake. Christmas is the second new year. Russia Day is Bush’s birthday. Well, to close this holiday on November 7, and what was 400 years ago no one really knows. Over the years, many holidays can be invented. For example, the anniversary of the vocation of Rurik.

    It is your misfortune that you do not know what was 400 years ago.
    Because of these "Vanks" who do not remember their kinship and history, we have a lot of ignorance. It is very sad that many people think the same as you, ignorant.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 4 November 2013 11: 19 New
      +9
      Have you read modern history textbooks? Everything will not be there as we were taught. And then, I remember the past of my country, and 20 years ago, and 30. But for some reason now they are trying to impress on all sides that everything was not as I saw. Therefore, for me, the Soviet holidays, this is the memory of my parents. And the current Russian remake, nothing.
    2. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 4 November 2013 11: 45 New
      +5
      Quote: RUSS
      It is your misfortune that you do not know what was 400 years ago.

      And what was 400 years ago?
      22 October (4 November) The 1612 militia led by Kuzma Minin and Dmitry Pozharsky stormed China Town, the garrison of the Commonwealth retreated to the Kremlin. Prince Pozharsky entered China Town with the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God.
      (In memory of this event, the local icon celebration was first established (in Moscow); in 1649, on the occasion of the birth of the “miraculous icons of Kazan, during the all-night singing” the heir to the throne of Tsarevich Dimitry, Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich ordered the Kazan icon to be celebrated on October 22 in Kazan all cities for all years. ”)
      On October 26 (November November 8), the command of the Polish garrison signed a surrender, releasing Moscow boyars and other noblemen from the Kremlin at the same time; the next day the garrison surrendered.

      So why are you celebrating today?
      1. Storming Kitay-Gorod? (Let me remind you that the "Poles" surrendered on October 26 (November 8, new Art.)).
      2. Local, Moscow celebration dedicated to the Moscow "Kazan" (list (copy) from the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God)?
      3. Birth of the heir to the throne of Tsarevich Demetrius?
      1. family tree
        family tree 4 November 2013 12: 57 New
        +4
        Quote: Aleksys2
        22 October (4 November) The 1612 militia led by Kuzma Minin and Dmitry Pozharsky stormed China Town, the garrison of the Commonwealth retreated to the Kremlin. Prince Pozharsky entered China Town with the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God.

        In 1612 the difference between the Julian and Gregorian calendar was 10 days, not 13, as in the 20 century
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        Thus, China Town was taken on November 1, according to a new style.
        The surrender agreement was signed on November 5, currently
        The withdrawal of Polish-Lithuanian troops from the Kremlin and the introduction of the militia on November 6, NS
        The day of November 4, in no matter how significant events, was marked in 1612 request
        1. Aleksys2
          Aleksys2 4 November 2013 13: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: perepilka
          In 1612 the difference between the Julian and Gregorian calendar was 10 days, not 13, as in the 20 century

          So even so, even so, anyway:
          The day of November 4, in no matter how significant events, was marked in 1612

          Here I completely agree with you.
    3. rubin6286
      rubin6286 4 November 2013 13: 56 New
      +1
      Professor! In my opinion you need to fill your face!
  47. riding
    riding 4 November 2013 11: 14 New
    +7
    In fact, the specific date of November 4 as the day of overcoming the Time of Troubles came from other, completely unpatriotic considerations. It was invented to erase another date - November 7th. Overcoming the Time of Troubles was a remarkable event in the history of Russia, but only by November 4, what event does this relate to?
  48. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 4 November 2013 11: 20 New
    +5
    all the problems are from Moscow, then there are Poles, then there are Islamists, well, you won’t be able to pick up the Jews from the top, all finances are flocking there and being cut there, I haven’t seen a person who spoke positively about Moscow, even if they celebrate the holiday
  49. Ddhal
    Ddhal 4 November 2013 11: 26 New
    +1
    Yes, we are ..
    We endure, endure, endure and still endure ...
    Then he pours it over to everyone - "let's get out of here!"
    More than once, and more than once again.
    Happy holiday to you, my dear Russian People!
  50. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 4 November 2013 11: 27 New
    +4
    "Two-thirds of Russians do not know which holiday is celebrated on November 4

    National Unity Day is celebrated in the Russian Federation on November 4 annually since 2005. This holiday date appeared in Russia in memory of the events of 1612, when a popular militia led by Kozma Minin and Dmitry Pozharsky liberated Moscow from Polish invaders. Historically, this holiday is associated with the end of the Time of Troubles in the XVII century.

    However, only 31% of Russians know that November 4 is celebrated in Russia, the rest disagree, according to a survey conducted by the Public Opinion Foundation.

    Answers to the question of what the holiday is timed to were met with a variety of, up to the celebration of the Constitution Day. Most of the respondents, 46%, found it difficult to give a specific answer. At the same time, almost 50% of respondents believe that it was wrong to cancel the anniversary of the October Revolution of 7, which was celebrated earlier on November 1917. More than 40% of the respondents are sure that this event is more important than the liberation of Moscow from the Polish-Lithuanian troops. The opposite opinion is expressed by 20%, and 38% found it difficult to answer this question. "
    From the news.
    1. tomket
      tomket 4 November 2013 11: 50 New
      0
      already as the Americans became.