Energy impotence of the Baltic

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On the last day of October, a meeting of the “Baltic troika” took place - the presidents of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. Dalia Grybauskaite, Andris Berzins and Toomas Hendrik Ilves, according to the press service of the head of the Lithuanian state, met to discuss topical issues of the development of the region, strengthening the basis for cooperation between the three countries. This is only according to the tradition that has developed in recent years (during the existence of these states in the format of declared independence), the conversation has shifted towards Russia. Baltic tradition, you know ... Do not talk about Russia as the "main threat" to the existence of a "democratic" Baltic - that's all! - Consider, the meeting was held in vain ...

Energy impotence of the Baltic


What is Russia this time excited our Baltic neighbors? It turned out that Vilnius, Riga and Tallinn literally no longer have the strength to be in energy dependence on Russian suppliers, and therefore they want to unite their efforts in order to connect to suppliers outside of Russia. And the greatest desire to diversify gas supplies was expressed by Lithuania. The reason is that the gas flowing today from Russia to Lithuania is more expensive than gas going to Latvia and Estonia. Riga and Tallinn some time ago managed to negotiate with 15% discount on “blue” fuel with Gazprom. After the Gazprom discount started working, Latvia and Estonia started receiving gas at roughly 440-450 dollars per 1 thousand cubic meters, while the price of gas for Lithuania remained at a value above 510 dollars for the same amount. And after all, it is Lithuania out of the three Baltic “sisters” that has to buy the largest volumes of gas from Russia.

What are the reasons why the discount from Gazprom did not affect Vilnius? Officially - some inconsistencies in the documents and other legal aspects. Informal - we guess ...

In order to get revenge on Gazprom for such an injection in the direction of Lithuania, the latter decided to declare the “illegal actions” of this Russian company to international antitrust services. As a claim, of course, they didn’t say that Gazprom didn’t go for discounts, but what the company forbids in re-exporting “blue fuel” when concluding contracts. They say that the remaining gas is “ownerless”, and we could sell it to Poles in need, for example ... Until recently, when signing contracts, Gazprom really demanded that the other party to the contract guarantee that the unrealized gas inside the contracting country would not be resold in third countries.

The international antimonopoly services heard such “groans” of Lithuania, and therefore threatened Gazprom with a finger: they say, you’ll continue to do this, we’re even more threatening with a finger ... At the same time, they pointed to antitrust legislation and that Russia is now a member of the WTO.

Representatives of Gazprom heard all this information, passed through themselves, digested and began to think what to do to keep the price of gas for Balts at the right level for themselves and not offend international commissions. Thought-thought at Gazprom and found a way out. Someone suggested a great idea: let the Balts, however, not re-export Russian gas inside the countries. More precisely, let them try to do it ...
What does “try” mean? But the fact is that for the re-export, so desired by Vilnius, there are at least two serious obstacles.

The first obstacle: “wasteless” (unused) gas in Lithuania remains (and this is still the best case for Lithuania) so much so that these volumes fit well with the term “the cat cried”. That is, to re-export something, you still need to save up. And how to save, if the price of a thousand cubes rolls over for 510 dollars. Who will buy gas at a price that Lithuania, apparently, is also going to wind up a little to get "dividends"?

Obstacle two: the Baltic gas transportation system has practically not developed since the collapse of the USSR. As it was part of the unified Soviet gas supply system, in fact it remains so today, although the Soviet system itself has been gone for a long time. In other words, the Baltic troika simply does not have any suitable transportation capacity for gas re-export to other countries (EU countries). That is, in fact, there is nothing and nothing to re-export ... Just some kind of Baltic gas transmission impotence ...

There is, however, one pipe built recently. But the trouble is: the Baltic states themselves connect this pipe with each other, and even that is not all. The pipe was laid between Lithuania and Latvia. As they say, re-export "with each other" as much as you want ...

Theoretically, such a pipe makes it possible to pump cheaper gas from Latvia (Russia sells Latvian gas at a price of about 450 dollars for 1 thousand cubic meters) to Lithuania. But what possibilities does this Lithuanian-Latvian pipe actually provide? By and large, no. If we consider that Latvia buys gas from Russia in the amount of about 1,1 billion cubic meters a year, and the gas pipeline to Lithuania has a capacity of about 2,3 billion cubic meters a year, then in order to "help" Lithuania, Latvia needs not only no to spend "their", bought from Russia, gas, and even somewhere to take about the same "blue fuel" annually. It is obvious that Riga does not have such a big “friendly” potential even with respect to its Baltic neighbor ... There is, of course, an option - Mrs. Grybauskaite will borrow money (based on their $ 450 price per thousand cubic meters of gas) to Andris Berzins, who will triple purchases from Russia ... But will Russia get to such a move? That is unlikely…

In general, by its decision, Gazprom killed two birds with one stone - it left international prosecution on the antitrust line and the WTO line, and in addition, left prices for Balts at the same level. As they say, you cannot legally dig ...

How in this situation to be the three Baltic "sisters"? To resolve this issue, their presidents met October 31. The decisions were made (or confirmed) as follows: it was decided to connect the pipe with Poland, and also to find some sources “bypassing Russia”. It would seem that everything for the Baltic presidents is just great. But only, firstly, the construction of the new gas transmission system of the Baltic-Poland will require substantial investments, and secondly - time. And if we take into account that the start of the project is scheduled only for 2018 year, then putting it into operation is certainly not the case for tomorrow or even the day after tomorrow.

In order to “not freeze” during this time, Lithuania intends to build a terminal for receiving LNG in the port of Klaipeda next year in record time. In a year, they are going to build a similar terminal in Latvia. At the same time there is talk that Lithuania will buy liquefied gas from Norway, and only at preferential prices. At preferential prices, say, well, well ...

What other discount prices from Norway? Is it not for the reason that in order not to supply the European Union with cheap energy resources, Norway is not joining this very European Union. Why should she go there - to “feed” the same Baltic trio with cheap hydrocarbons? ..

Norway will supply LNG to the Baltic countries, of course. But how much will Norwegian gas for Riga, Vilnius and Tallinn be cheaper than Russian gas? Wait, wait for discounts from the Norwegians ...

In general, there seems to be one way out for the Baltic presidents: to go to Brussels again with an outstretched hand and ask for loans for all of their energy endeavors, well, or for gas purchases at the price for which Gazprom was “generous”.
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  1. rrrd
    +42
    2 November 2013 08: 36
    Let them put windmills! Three "states"
    1. Alikovo
      +23
      2 November 2013 08: 45
      You can put water mills.
      1. AVV
        +28
        2 November 2013 14: 41
        Or in the end, drown their boiler houses with sprats !!!
        1. +5
          5 November 2013 01: 35
          Quote: AVV
          Or in the end, drown their boiler houses with sprats !!!


          last year I choose sprats in the supermarket by manufacturer,
          like made in the Kaliningrad region, quite normal sprats.
      2. +11
        2 November 2013 18: 52
        In each gym, to install exercise bikes with dynamos: there is simply nothing to waste. On the streets, in parliament, in military units, in prisons.
        Gas turbines with dynamo and recycle gas in electric.
        1. _Forgiven_
          -3
          4 November 2013 12: 37
          You four together speak with such an accent, like it’s personally the Balts are buying gas from you. Your Gazprom, on the other hand, punishes you for money. I don’t understand why your sarcasm?
          1. and she
            +5
            4 November 2013 22: 13
            Can you tell us how our Gazprom punishes us for money? My house is heated with gas and somehow I don’t feel that heating bills are hitting my budget a lot. The house, by the way, is in the Zamkadye, in the Vladimir region.
            1. Airman
              0
              7 November 2013 12: 30
              Quote: ion
              Can you tell us how our Gazprom punishes us for money? My house is heated with gas and somehow I don’t feel that heating bills are hitting my budget a lot. The house, by the way, is in the Zamkadye, in the Vladimir region.

              And how much does it cost you 1 cube. meter of gas? In Veliky Novgorod, 6,8 rubles per cubic meter.
    2. +30
      2 November 2013 13: 03
      You will probably laugh ... but "winds" In Latvia, it is more expensive to supply than the same electricity with buckets from America to carry.
      1. +1
        2 November 2013 14: 22
        Don Quixote and Sancho Panso recalls :-)
      2. AVV
        +18
        2 November 2013 14: 58
        Soon Old Man will rebuild his own nuclear power plant, in the alternative to the closed Estonian one and will be selling cheap electricity to the Baltic states, that’s the way out of the situation !!!
        1. +19
          2 November 2013 17: 19
          AVV
          A nuclear power plant is already under construction in the Kaliningrad region, so that we will be the first to build it. :)))
          1. +8
            2 November 2013 17: 31
            Quote: smile
            AVV A nuclear power plant is already under construction in the Kaliningrad region, so that we will be the first to build it. :)))

            And here is the Social Competition, and before the Union - just a stone's throw good
            Both on "+"
        2. +5
          2 November 2013 17: 28
          Quote: AVV
          Soon Old Man will rebuild his own nuclear power plant, in the alternative to the closed Estonian one and will be selling cheap electricity to the Baltic states, that’s the way out of the situation !!!

          Old Man was never an altruist. Yes, and you will need to give a loan
          1. AVV
            +2
            4 November 2013 23: 56
            In order to repay the loan, the Old Man needs to sell something, and electricity for the Baltic states or the West, good goods, the Old Man has already signed a decree on construction, a nuclear power plant, and Russia will help in this Belarus! It doesn’t matter who is the first to sell electricity to the Baltic states, the main thing is that cooperation between Russia and Belarus is bearing fruit !!! And the Baltic, as it was, was deeply dependent on energy supplies, with independence it became the outskirts of the European Union, no matter how big the three were, Europe will not help them !!! Yes, and Ukraine is heading there, trying to find cheaper energy supplies and the Flag in their hands !!! Desirable multi-colored !!!
        3. Avenger711
          +2
          3 November 2013 03: 21
          Not cheaper than RF. Here we will agree with the Old Man.
        4. 0
          4 November 2013 13: 17
          And build on Russian?
        5. Airman
          +2
          7 November 2013 12: 32
          Quote: AVV
          Soon Old Man will rebuild his own nuclear power plant, in the alternative to the closed Estonian one and will be selling cheap electricity to the Baltic states, that’s the way out of the situation !!!

          Lithuanians at the request of the European Union closed their Ignalina nuclear power plant, now they themselves are not happy.
      3. largus886
        +16
        2 November 2013 15: 53
        There is only one way left, back to the USSR! Well, or at least shove their filthy languages ​​deeper and it relates to the Russian-speaking population better then we'll see how much gas to sell.
        1. Misantrop
          +9
          2 November 2013 16: 04
          Quote: largus886
          at least shove their filthy tongues deeper
          So this is the only remaining "national treasure" in working order. And there is nowhere to put it, everything has fallen apart ...
          1. timer
            +2
            4 November 2013 19: 58
            Scream how you read your komenty! Cheered up.
        2. AVV
          0
          4 November 2013 16: 49
          Even the photo shows that these are three of the casket, what they wanted, they got it, and there is nothing to drive a blizzard on others, and blame the mirror if the faces themselves are crooked !!!
      4. sergaivenski
        +17
        2 November 2013 23: 05
        ALL SOMETHING SHOULD ON RUSSIA nip off, but somehow no one wants to recall that after the bloody GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR OF RUSSIA IN THE SAME LEVELS WITH BALTIC COUNTRIES were building materials for reconstruction of destroyed Riga, Tallinn, VILNYUSA.VO all this RUSSIA dire need ITSELF.
        1. sergaivenski
          +4
          2 November 2013 23: 10
          THE BALTIC STATES NEED THAT ALL FROM RUSSIA DELIVERED TO HALYAU. BUT THERE IS NO PERMANENT CONSTITUTION. The USSR is no longer there. There are market relations. !
    3. +3
      2 November 2013 19: 11
      The only problem is that they have hardly enough money for the mills, for half a liter for their triple "summit" ...
    4. timer
      0
      4 November 2013 19: 56
      Yes, the decision on the gas of these dwarfs does not cause anything other than laughter. Let them heat their sprats. Ha ha ...
    5. +1
      7 November 2013 04: 26
      If we hypothetically try to translate the surnames, we get "Repin's kaotin" - Berezin, Ilvsky and Gribova. Or rather, new gentlemen of good luck ...
    6. 0
      8 November 2013 00: 32
      I will not speak about the topic of the article laughing
      I noticed a tendency - if the topic of the article contains the Baltic "state" - you can safely delete the torrent of your favorite comedy and immediately go to read the comments - the rupture of the guts is guaranteed! laughing laughing And if ALL the Baltic states are "involved" in the article, well, then a complete Achtung !!! laughing laughing laughing Grazhdaaaneee, pause, hiccups defeated from laughter !!! Most comments and article ++++++++ !!!
      Comedians Damn wink laughing
  2. +16
    2 November 2013 08: 50
    but the members of united Europe. and you are so intolerant, hehe wassat
    1. +47
      2 November 2013 10: 52
      What are you so about them, what kind of "members" are they? They are exactly the holes ...
      1. +6
        2 November 2013 10: 54
        Quote: Krasnodar
        They are right in the hole ...

        circles of my dick?
        1. +46
          2 November 2013 11: 30
          laughing It was funny to God to read the article. The mood has risen laughing
          It looks like, for example, I want to sell my cow to my neighbor. He will say - it's expensive! And he will run to complain to the antimonopoly organization. But by and large, I may not sell this very cow at all, even if the "neighbor" is dying of hunger. Right? laughing Is he going to run to The Hague to file a lawsuit about the violation of human rights and the danger of starvation in danger? laughing
          Her, it’s time to cut the pipe and weld a steel cap with the image of such an smile from the end of the pipe tongue
    2. +1
      2 November 2013 11: 40
      Quote: andrei332809
      and you are so intolerant, hehe

      well, since they have taught themselves ..........
    3. AVV
      +1
      2 November 2013 14: 48
      What members do we already understand, just the point of these members, if they are impotent ???
    4. +8
      2 November 2013 17: 30
      All three countries have different gas prices. And then "divide and rule". Whoever licks more, then sell gas cheaper Yes
  3. +24
    2 November 2013 08: 58
    And nefig was to get rid of the USSR)))
    Bylab Powerful Power)
    1. +16
      2 November 2013 10: 52
      Quote: Sayapo
      And nefig was to get rid of the USSR)))
      Bylab Powerful Power)

      So too invaders laughing
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      2. +35
        2 November 2013 11: 10
        The poor Balts, it seems, no longer live under occupation, but all the same, the vile Russians manage to spoil them anyway. wassat
        1. -2
          8 November 2013 19: 40
          Please do not confuse Russian and Soviet.
      3. +9
        2 November 2013 13: 48
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        So too invaders

        ... And the tears are welling themselves ... crying
    2. sergaivenski
      +5
      2 November 2013 23: 16
      LOUDER THAN EVERYBODY IN ORDER IN 1991 ABOUT ITS INDEPENDENCE !!! ONE LEVEL BECAME.
      WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE, GOT !!! And IF NOW RUSSIA WILL BLOCK THEIR BORDERS FROM THE BALTIC, THEY WILL NOT TRADE THERE HERE. AND WITHOUT THEIR SPRING RUSSIA WILL BE PERFECT !!!
    3. AVV
      +1
      4 November 2013 15: 19
      And Yanukovych, what he forgot in the European Union, he thinks they are waiting there with a hug, he first of all thinks about his power, and about his accounts in Western banks, And rulers of this rank think about people in the last turn !!!
  4. +20
    2 November 2013 09: 22
    Winter is coming, the Baltic states have begun to move ... We need to move more actively with organisms, maybe you will not freeze ....
    1. +6
      2 November 2013 11: 12
      [quote = Arkan] Winter is coming, the Balts have begun to stir ... You need to move organisms more actively, maybe you won't freeze ....--- what are you, 'these are the Balts wink , but you yourself know --- yes, far to tallliiiinaaaaa !!!!!! laughing wassat
      1. rolik
        +3
        2 November 2013 20: 10
        Quote: datur
        , but you yourself know --- yes, far to tallliiiinaaaaa !!!!!!

        And then they were offered pedals on simulators with screwed generators to twist)))))) Imagine how much they wind up, one wheel revolution per hour)))
  5. +2
    2 November 2013 09: 42
    ABOUT! At the resale of gas residues, they wanted to cook. Do they have any more ingenuity? Buy Sell. laughing
  6. +16
    2 November 2013 09: 46
    Let the Finns buy firewood, * brothers * all the same
    1. +1
      3 November 2013 12: 45
      Only Finns' misfortune is not chopping wood at home, but in Karelia.
      1. +2
        3 November 2013 13: 29
        ? You are wrong. At home they are still chopping.
  7. +13
    2 November 2013 10: 03
    For what they fought .... they got it!
  8. Vlad_Mir
    +4
    2 November 2013 10: 06
    Interesting! The population of the Baltic states is also so smiling ?!
    1. +14
      2 November 2013 13: 39
      Vlad_Mir
      And what about the population? The population is migrant workers, like Tajiks, scolds their governments, which they consider a bunch of idiots and thieves, but they know for sure that the Russians are to blame for everything ... :))) And what can be said about their population if the best-selling book in Estonia is a book "Turd and Spring" ... :))) Children's book, tells about the love of turd for something there, I don't remember what ... but this is the sales leader in the country ... :)))
      1. +2
        2 November 2013 18: 53
        laughing poop lovers however
    2. AVV
      +5
      2 November 2013 14: 54
      Only three are smiling, the rest of the people, only pennies count !!!
      1. +1
        2 November 2013 18: 42
        The people are worthy of their rulers. Rather it will be like this: what kind of people are such and the government.
  9. avt
    +7
    2 November 2013 10: 07
    Quote: bubla5
    Let the Finns buy firewood, * brothers * all the same

    Yeah, the firewood will be from Karelia, again re-export. 450 $ cubelaughing
    1. +3
      2 November 2013 14: 26
      tin. .. we have firewood 600-700 wooden blocks :-)
      1. 0
        3 November 2013 10: 37
        Last year, the "chip" (Ural) 7 thousand came out as a length gauge.
        1. 0
          3 November 2013 11: 10
          we have in my 9, only how to understand the length meter? we have 6 meters forest chips. timber trucks that carry timber in the whips without manipulators, is no longer a chip - fiscars
  10. avt
    +2
    2 November 2013 10: 07
    Quote: bubla5
    Let the Finns buy firewood, * brothers * all the same

    Yeah, the firewood will be from Karelia, again re-export. 450 $ cubelaughing
    1. +8
      2 November 2013 10: 54
      Quote: avt
      Yeah, the firewood will be from Karelia

      Let their abandoned houses in the villages let firewood
    2. +8
      2 November 2013 13: 28
      Fear God. In the summer, every cube of thirty euros of Tugriks cost me already ...
      1. +10
        2 November 2013 13: 50
        Quote: Bosk
        Fear God. In the summer, every cube of thirty euros of Tugriks cost me already ...

        Yoshkin cat!
        They are made from compressed bills? wassat
        1. AVV
          +2
          2 November 2013 15: 03
          Yes, this is a new energy policy of the states, for heating, dollars are sold to the Baltic states, but they can print as many as they want !!!
      2. +6
        2 November 2013 14: 48
        Quote: Bosk
        , In the summer, already every cube of thirty euros of Tugriks cost me ..
      3. 0
        2 November 2013 17: 01
        hard on you ...
      4. +1
        3 November 2013 21: 21
        but it’s probably nice to sit by the fireplace and talk about independence from Russia, huh?
  11. +6
    2 November 2013 10: 09
    Energy impotence of the Baltic

    Judging by the look of a handsome man in the photo, well, the one in the middle is not only energetic ....
  12. +6
    2 November 2013 10: 16
    Lithuania is planning to build a LNG reception terminal in the port of Klaipeda next year in record time.
    Ukraine will help. They have a lot of experience in this business.
  13. +17
    2 November 2013 10: 19
    Thanks Alexey! They Ignalina NPP will hiccup for a long time ... Barbarians.
    1. +15
      2 November 2013 13: 44
      pensioner
      But now they are amazed at the fact that they are building nuclear power plants in the Kaliningrad Region and periodically gathering and dreaming, but we’ll take and build our own nuclear power plant ... I’d just give some money ... strange, but for some reason no one is in a hurry to skip, wishing to give the Baltic states a few billion ... to know their fate forever, now with outstretched hands, then on all fours, that's their independent independence ... :)))
      1. +10
        2 November 2013 14: 01
        Quote: smile
        Here is their independent independence ...:

        Yes ... Maybe they’ll throw some dung for them? Someone will soon have a gas paradise. Accordingly, the strategic reserves of the dung will turn out to be useless. Moreover, they will also become Europeans. How can brothers not help?
        1. +4
          2 November 2013 15: 12
          pensioner
          And what an interesting idea, they will build a dairy pipe and become a great energy power :))) By the way, a dung, like oil, can be used not only as a fuel- my grandfather rode down ditches from the hill, because there was no sled ... :)) )
    2. AVV
      +2
      2 November 2013 22: 44
      Europe specifically forced to close the nuclear power plant, so that Estonians were more accommodating in all matters, and Ukraine needed to adopt the experience of the Baltic states and see what would happen to their energy under the leadership of the European Commissioners !!!
  14. +13
    2 November 2013 10: 21
    A storm of three mongrels in one glass.
    1. +19
      2 November 2013 10: 59
      You need to call a spade a spade, I would call this a meeting of the heads of the Baltic regions before the heating season. smile
      1. +2
        2 November 2013 16: 26
        Quote: Igor39
        You need to call a spade a spade, I would call this a meeting of the heads of the Baltic regions before the heating season

        The meeting of the Commission for the preparation for the winter ...
      2. sergaivenski
        +2
        2 November 2013 23: 26
        SOON UKRAINE WILL ALSO BECOME A PART OF EUROPE. LET EXCHANGE LIPS FOR THEIR SPRINGS AND LEARN THEM HOW TO MAKE A GAS PIPE FROM SWEDEN. BE MAY AND FRIENDS WITH UKRAINE WILL BE,
        EXCHANGE EXPERIENCE HOW TO STEAL GAS FROM RUSSIA !!!
  15. gsg955
    +13
    2 November 2013 10: 21
    Lithuanians are the most ungrateful and rightly so.
    1. +15
      2 November 2013 11: 17
      I completely agree with you. In the nineties, they took first place in the export of metal exported from Russia. Today is not a ride. And we are learning, which is very happy.))))
      1. +9
        2 November 2013 13: 24
        And in some 90th year, Estonia took the first place in the region in exporting small arms of Russian production without importing it from Russia ... well, how do you like this? It seems to me that it could not do without Honduras.
  16. +7
    2 November 2013 10: 21
    I have an idea I voiced: but let them buy in Ukraine, they seem to be going to compete with America about shale gas in the near future.
  17. +4
    2 November 2013 10: 24
    Thanks Alexey! They Ignalina NPP will hiccup for a long time ... Barbarians.
    Quote: Alikovo
    Let them put windmills! Three "states"

    Quote: Alikovo
    You can put water mills.
    stop Only tidal hydropower! True, the best in the USSR were created ... And in Russia, not so long ago, a new one was built somewhere. Let them turn. We will sell. Fair price feelfeel
  18. +9
    2 November 2013 10: 31
    The bustle of primary school children trying to seem smarter and older. But in vain.
    It is strange that they did not furnish the entire coast with wind turbines, did not announce "with pomp" about the beginning of exploration and the imminent production of shale gas ... crying
    1. AVV
      +12
      2 November 2013 15: 17
      In the USSR, the Balts were in the first place in terms of living standards, everyone in the union wanted to visit these places as abroad, and now they are in the backyard of the European Union, but with Baltic independence and an empty barn!
    2. 0
      2 November 2013 19: 34
      There are no tides in the Baltic
  19. Peaceful military
    +18
    2 November 2013 10: 32
    This is how it really looks.
    Firstly, the presidents in Estonia and Latvia (I do not know about Lithuania, were not interested, somehow do not care) are operetta characters who do not have any rights to make any decisions, or even influence on them. These clowns, just carry representative functions, just like, for example, the president of Germany. Everything is decided by the prime ministers and cabinet min (s). This is not the United States, or Russia.
    Secondly, within the framework of the EU, the issue of building an LNG terminal in the north-eastern Baltic region is being decided and Finland, Estonia and, something Latvia, are participating in the tender. Lithuania wasn’t standing there, which, for example, destroyed its nuclear power station for joining the EU.fool Most likely the LNG terminal will be built in Finland.
    Thirdly, the Baltic republics have never been "sisters". Competition, you know, the market ... Quietly do not digest each other, counting, each of them, themselves.
    So the meeting of clowns does not matter to us and did not cause any resonance.
    1. +6
      2 November 2013 11: 12
      Quote: Peaceful military
      So the meeting of the clowns,

      How much do tickets to the circus?
      1. Peaceful military
        +7
        2 November 2013 11: 14
        Quote: andrei332809
        Quote: Peaceful military
        So the meeting of the clowns,

        How much do tickets to the circus?

        Oh, it's not cheap for us.
        1. +4
          2 November 2013 11: 15
          Quote: Peaceful military
          Oh, it's not cheap for us.

          for a gas spray they’ll let me see, laugh?
          1. Peaceful military
            +14
            2 November 2013 11: 21
            Quote: andrei332809
            Quote: Peaceful military
            Oh, it's not cheap for us.

            for a gas spray they’ll let me see, laugh?

            They shout that they do not need transit from Russia ... proud. At the time of separation, they shouted that for the sake of freedom they were ready to eat potato peelings ... So they won’t let it go. smile
            1. +10
              2 November 2013 11: 33
              Quote: Peaceful military
              At the time of the separation, they shouted that for the sake of freedom they were ready to eat potato peelings

              to do business or what? I throw away the cleaning, but it turns out that you can export. I don’t know, are there competitors in Europe?
              1. Peaceful military
                +7
                2 November 2013 11: 36
                Quote: andrei332809
                Quote: Peaceful military
                At the time of the separation, they shouted that for the sake of freedom they were ready to eat potato peelings

                to do business or what? I throw away the cleaning, but it turns out that you can export. I don’t know, are there competitors in Europe?

                If only from the territory and on behalf of a decent EU country, then even dumping will not help. I say proud. Only master cleaning. smile
                1. +6
                  2 November 2013 11: 40
                  Quote: Peaceful military
                  Only master cleaning.

                  i.e. chips? request
                  1. Peaceful military
                    +4
                    2 November 2013 12: 06
                    Quote: andrei332809
                    Quote: Peaceful military
                    Only master cleaning.

                    i.e. chips? request

                    laughing good
            2. +9
              2 November 2013 13: 52
              Quote: Peaceful military
              During the separation, they shouted that for the sake of freedom they were ready to eat potato peelings ..

              ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY ...
              Not long left .. laughing
    2. +2
      2 November 2013 14: 33
      Most likely the LNG terminal will be built in Finland.


      Why did she need her? We have a pipe to the finals. And they are as if pleased with this. Or will they from this LNG gobble up our gas further down the European continent?
      1. Peaceful military
        +2
        2 November 2013 15: 08
        Quote: 31231
        Most likely the LNG terminal will be built in Finland.


        Why did she need her? We have a pipe to the finals. And they are as if pleased with this. Or will they from this LNG gobble up our gas further down the European continent?

        Surely!
  20. +3
    2 November 2013 10: 46
    from the Don.
    It is possible to develop the energy system of the Baltic states by using peat! And also, as the GDP said: -In Siberia there is a lot of firewood :!
    1. +8
      2 November 2013 14: 33
      do not touch our firewood angry they’ll freeze, they’ll be smarter though ...
      1. +4
        2 November 2013 19: 43
        Yes! firewood of Siberia - only to Siberians! wink
  21. Stasi
    +6
    2 November 2013 10: 55
    At one time, the Balts, as the so-called energy independence, wanted to stretch the electric cable from Sweden along the bottom of the Baltic Sea and pump electricity from there. True, the project as such remained unrealized, the Swedes requested a good amount for electricity.
    1. Peaceful military
      +1
      2 November 2013 15: 39
      Quote: Stasi
      At one time, the Balts, as the so-called energy independence, wanted to stretch the electric cable from Sweden along the bottom of the Baltic Sea and pump electricity from there. True, the project as such remained unrealized, the Swedes requested a good amount for electricity.

      And from Finland they extended ..., where the electric power is cheaper than ours.
  22. +8
    2 November 2013 11: 05
    Why aren’t they developing shale ?! request
    laughing (I would like to see it) laughing
    1. Peaceful military
      +5
      2 November 2013 15: 44
      Quote: dimon-media
      Why aren’t they developing shale ?! request
      laughing (I would like to see it) laughing

      Slate went perfectly during the times of the USSR (ESSR) and 2 of our largest power plants worked on it, now its production and processing has been practically destroyed, there were unique technologies, by the way.
  23. +7
    2 November 2013 11: 11
    These Baltic sisters are funny and eat fish and go fishing on our gas. It was not there. I suggest not taking the sisters back. Very much for free, prone.
    1. sergaivenski
      +8
      3 November 2013 03: 39
      I, a Russian guy from the Urals, share YOUR point of view. I had a chance to serve in the Baltic States and I know not by hearsay what Baltic nationalism is. Our commanders did not even let us, ordinary soldiers, be fired. True, they made exceptions for those who to whom the relatives came. Once they brought us, soldiers, by car to the kindergarten. We had to clear the area around the kindergarten from ice. Half a day we worked hard. Passers-by looked askance and spat. I could not bear it and went to one type. I asked: " What do you have against us, Russian soldiers? "He replied:" It would be better if we stayed under the Germans. "Wow, applications !!! It turns out that the advancing Red Army in 1944 had to leave a huge group of fascists in its rear and move on to Berlin . Wouldn't it be bold ???
      And then the Baltic republics would lick the backside of the unfinished fascists !!!
      1. lightman
        +5
        3 November 2013 04: 36
        As I heard this year will be the worst winter in Europe in the last 100 years.
        Whether this forecast is true or not, we will soon find out. But if so, then soon everything will come around there.
        Although not everyone there is badly opposed to the Russians. Part of the population is adequate, and they have long realized how sideways it all crawled out to them.
        After all, we also have such a contingent in Ukraine, to put it mildly ... but this does not mean that all Ukrainians are like that.
      2. +2
        3 November 2013 21: 30
        I did not serve, but I was in Lithuania under the USSR and already in modern times. In Soviet times, they wanted to throw me on a flea market, I bought a T-shirt, I open the bag, and her sleeves are cut off. I caught the fellows and requisitioned a Japanese watch. Nowadays, in a restaurant, a conflict with the Nazis occurred. But not so long ago, one good-natured Latvian, the lemon took money from me and disappeared. Juozas. Juozovich. Ashmyana. You see, let the O-Cliff drift, otherwise I'm offended.))))
  24. +2
    2 November 2013 11: 15
    we ourselves need Siberian firewood, but it wouldn’t hurt to add a little mind to these citizens in their heads bully
  25. +11
    2 November 2013 11: 16
    and let them heat their sprats !!!!! wassat wink
    1. +32
      2 November 2013 13: 18
      Don't laugh at the current ... but yesterday I looked closely at the sprats that are sold there ... four varieties of Latvian and two varieties of Russian ... I saw ... and a familiar Latvian was standing nearby, well, I drew his attention to this nan life and do you know how he commented on it ?, he said "you Russian bastards ... raised your hand to the holy"
      1. +8
        2 November 2013 13: 44
        Quote: Bosk
        "you Russian bastards ... raised your hand to the holy"

        good laughing hi
      2. +10
        2 November 2013 13: 54
        Quote: Bosk
        he commented on it ?, he said "you Russian bastards ... raised your hand to the holy"

        Balm ... for the soul ..
        I don’t even know - to grieve or laugh ... recourse
        1. +5
          4 November 2013 13: 38
          Speaking of sprats and other fish bonfils rolled up in tin.
          The store has the cheapest sprats of their production. But! When you take a Riga jar and shake it, the presence of: a) an air cavity, b) a large amount of liquid is clearly audible and tangible.
          The same Kaliningrad sprats no matter how shaking, leave a feeling of monolith.
          An autopsy of both those and those confirms speculative CONCLUSIONS:
          1. Kaliningraders fill the bank to the eyeballs. Places on a bubble and a large amount of liquid are few. That is, for the stated price you buy sprats, and not water-oil-air.
          2. The Balts, on the contrary, do not report fish proper. To the declared net add oil-broth mixture. And it turns out that you buy a jar in which only 2/3 of the sprats themselves.

          Similarly with other canned fish from the Baltic states.
      3. +6
        2 November 2013 14: 35
        Quote: Bosk
        Don't laugh at the current ... but yesterday I looked closely at the sprats that are sold there ... four varieties of Latvian and two varieties of Russian ... I saw ... and a familiar Latvian was standing nearby, well, I drew his attention to this nan life and do you know how he commented on it ?, he said "you Russian bastards ... raised your hand to the holy"

        wto however
        1. not good
          +23
          2 November 2013 14: 54
          The occupation of the Baltic market by sprats of Russian production threatens with a loss of self-identification of the peoples of these countries laughing
          1. sergaivenski
            +2
            3 November 2013 03: 48
            I had a chance to eat sprats made both in Latvia and in the Pskov region. Almost no different. Latvian sprats are much more expensive than Pskov sprats. And the price is correspondingly higher. I am doing this now: I buy sprats made in Pskov
            region, but only before the New Year. To put on the New Year's table. To Latvian
            I do not touch. Manufacturers will interrupt !!!
      4. Peaceful military
        +7
        2 November 2013 15: 33
        Quote: Bosk
        Don't laugh at the current ... but yesterday I looked closely at the sprats that are sold there ... four varieties of Latvian and two varieties of Russian ... I saw ... and a familiar Latvian was standing nearby, well, I drew his attention to this nan life and do you know how he commented on it ?, he said "you Russian bastards ... raised your hand to the holy"

        laughing good
        We have not seen Russian sprats, but there are Latvian sprats, but ours are better wassat
        I remember about 10 years ago there was a diplomatic quarrel between Latvia and Estonia for catching herring near the Moonzud ​​archipelago, which the scribblers dubbed the "greasy war".
        I don’t know how in Latvia, but fishing is practically destroyed here ...foolangry
        All imported fish! And I remember, in the store of the fishing collective farm named after Kirov, sprats were sold by weight, 90 kopecks. for 1 kg. And what a chic restaurant this collective farm kept in the center of Tallinn.
        1. +3
          2 November 2013 16: 14
          At the time of the Union of Rememberers, the same hake cost a penny ... and now at the time of non-occurrence, I buy it at the store at the cost of carbonate, it is somewhere ... from seven Euro tanks ... and this is forty kilometers from the sea ... all with the first ice I buy floats, other containers and on ice!
          1. Peaceful military
            +2
            2 November 2013 16: 22
            Quote: Bosk
            At the time of the Union of Rememberers, the same hake cost a penny ... and now at the time of non-occurrence, I buy it at the store at the cost of carbonate, it is somewhere ... from seven Euro tanks ... and this is forty kilometers from the sea ... all with the first ice I buy floats, other containers and on ice!

            We have a lot of guys / girls (yes, yes, and girls) from Latvia fishing in Chudsky, in Kallast, for example.
            Have a good fishing! soldier smile
  26. +9
    2 November 2013 11: 23
    You can’t talk about Russia as the “main threat” to the existence of a “democratic” Baltic - that’s it! - consider that the meeting was in vain ...

    Well, they talked, they came up with something impracticable there, and this makes us neither hot nor cold. But someone will soon become cold. As they bought gas, they will buy it.
  27. +3
    2 November 2013 11: 33
    Another disgrace, gas can not earn.
  28. +3
    2 November 2013 11: 36
    This is what we want to be like Europeans, so that everything is on the ball, make money first, our people are paying for gas like yours.
  29. +9
    2 November 2013 13: 10
    Since the New Year, we will switch to Euro rubles ... one euro ruble-loaf, three-pack of cigarettes, ten - "Shaitan water" ... and where to put your incomplete higher education ... what to count in decimal fractions ... well, if the salary ...
    1. +4
      2 November 2013 13: 21
      So then you understand, the Balts have long gone to Europe, looked at Russia without Putin and left, but Ukraine has lost its brain, to go there at such an inopportune moment that for them what for us, this is complete stupidity.
    2. Peaceful military
      +6
      2 November 2013 15: 50
      Quote: Bosk
      Since the New Year, we will switch to Euro rubles ... one euro ruble-loaf, three-pack of cigarettes, ten - "Shaitan water" ... and where to put your incomplete higher education ... what to count in decimal fractions ... well, if the salary ...

      Yes guys, I sympathize, we have been in this "joy" for the third year already, as we have been, we cannot wake up in any way. And as the titular fascists did not squeal from the authorities that nothing would rise in price, everything went up in price literally from the day of the transition to the Euro.
  30. +6
    2 November 2013 14: 26
    Where will they go? They will croak, croak, but they will still buy at the price that was appointed from Russia. I wonder how Estonia and Latvia, "loving to Russia", got a discount? How did they earn it? Allied countries should receive preferential terms. And these are not drawn to the allies!
  31. +12
    2 November 2013 14: 28
    Some strange pattern. The more Russophobia the Balts have, and not only them, the more demands on Russia to love and fulfill their whims. But don’t spit in the well. Forgot?
    1. +3
      2 November 2013 20: 20
      There is such a breed of dogs, a mongrel, it barks harder when the owner is standing behind, you look and the bone will be changed, now in Europe there are so many mongrels.
  32. +3
    2 November 2013 14: 29
    Quote: retired
    Lithuania is planning to build a LNG reception terminal in the port of Klaipeda next year in record time.
    Ukraine will help. They have a lot of experience in this business.




    And the Jews have a huge hazu on the shelf. Why are they small and proud as if they are not encouraged by the countries ?! Schaub, these little brains bit their elbows. wink
  33. +4
    2 November 2013 14: 29
    Quote: Bosk
    Don't laugh at the current ... but yesterday I looked closely at the sprats that are sold there ... four varieties of Latvian and two varieties of Russian ... I saw ... and a familiar Latvian was standing nearby, well, I drew his attention to this nan life and do you know how he commented on it?, he said "you Russian bastards ... raised your hand to the holy"
    lol laughing I haven’t laughed like that for a long time !!!
  34. +10
    2 November 2013 15: 07
    Here are some shitty balts - I thought when I read the article.
    On the one hand, they try to do dirty tricks almost every day, but on the other hand give them quick gas and cheaper.
    I thought a little and I want to make him an offer that is impossible to refuse.
    If you have so much shit that you don’t know where to put it, then make biogas from it.
    There are many links on the Internet about this.
    You look, if you reduce your excesses, then your relations with Russia will improve.
  35. +3
    2 November 2013 15: 31
    Baltic troika? Is this some kind of joke?
    1. 0
      2 November 2013 18: 46
      No, only the Estonian affiliate succeeds a little bit)))
  36. +4
    2 November 2013 15: 45
    Quote: punk
    You look, if you reduce your excesses, then your relations with Russia will improve.

    Yes, the Balts - the people are economic. This should help them.
    Anecdote on the topic:
    Driving through the forest in a cart, an Estonian farmer noticed a dried up “cow cake” lying on the road. After a little thought, he returned. He wrapped the “cow’s cake” in a rag and put it in the cart, saying: “Prigaditzsta.”
    A year later, he goes again along the same road, stops at the same place. He spreads a “blood cake” out of the rag, saying: “I haven’t gotten it.”

    ... but it might come in handy.
  37. +5
    2 November 2013 15: 48
    Our former "friends" from the Baltics would not freeze. How much blood can Russia drink, it would be time to calm down and live in pleasure with the EU. No, they invent all the dirty tricks, is it really easier for them? They were going to block the road to Kaliningrad and then asked to reduce the gas price. No one needs you gentlemen from the Baltics, and Russia too.
    1. sergaivenski
      +1
      3 November 2013 04: 05
      I agree with YOU. The EU BALTIC was needed to market its (!) Products.
      Nobody expects Baltic products on the European markets !!! And also the NATO leadership
      led by the US consider the Baltic States as a launching pad for American missiles. RUSSIA also has something to answer !!! Drivers of countries do not want to
      The Baltic states simply calm down, all some mischief for RUSSIA is out of hand !!! Gas for free (!) Can and should be supplied only to allies !!! Or to those who do not do nasty things, do not hurt RUSSIA !!! And these "figures" are suffering from heartburn will be interrupted !!!
  38. +6
    2 November 2013 15: 55
    They demand discounts on gas, and at the same time declare hundreds of thousands of Russian-speaking citizens of their countries "non-citizens". With this attitude towards people, do not expect discounts ...
  39. +11
    2 November 2013 15: 59
    I am not an evil person, but the Balts are enraging me. Maybe because it's nearby, maybe because my grandfather died in Estonia in forty-fourth, I don’t know. But if they asked me, I would vote for the most severe and economic and political pressure on these non-state pseudo-formations. Including the refusal of gas supplies and a complete trade blockade, demanding that the borders of 1940 be restored. And right now. And when the unrest begins there - send troops as to Ossetia. And crush the Nazis with tanks.
    These creatures cannot live without a master. And if so, then this owner should be us.
    1. +1
      2 November 2013 16: 25
      Bravo, Michael! Because they can not be called political prostitutes.
      Z.Y. about WWII. When our guys shed blood and beat fascist reptiles, the Baltic republics met German troops at home with bouquets of flowers.
      1. 0
        2 November 2013 16: 28
        Border? Where did you serve?
        1. 0
          2 November 2013 16: 30
          KZakPO Artashat PogO, military unit 2392, 10 PogZ. Where did you serve, brother?
        2. 0
          2 November 2013 16: 33
          In general, I served on the Armenian-Turkish border. 1998-2000
  40. +1
    2 November 2013 16: 22
    Winter is a time of year that cools hot heads very well and reduces ambition.
  41. +4
    2 November 2013 16: 33
    Quote: Peaceful military
    We have a pipe to the finals. And they are as if pleased with this. Or will they from this LNG gobble up our gas further down the European continent?


    1. In Finland, coal consumption has increased by 47% this year. Obviously this is ju-ju no good

    2. But in general, what for the Baltic states gas? We are not some Nazis! Themselves will dissolve in Europe ..

    3. However, Mr. Alexey Volodin must publish in "However"! Biting comrade,
    1. Peaceful military
      0
      2 November 2013 18: 30
      [quote = Cherdak] [quote = Peaceful military] Our pipe is going to the finals. And they are kind of happy with it. Or will they use this LNG to supply our gas further along the European continent? [/ Quote]
      Sorry! This is not a quote from me, but a piece of appeal to me ...
      But in essence, what you said grinned. hi
  42. +3
    2 November 2013 16: 44
    Quote: x.andvlad
    Yes, the Baltic states - the people are economic


    Only this can explain that even they try to attach such a clown to the household
    1. Peaceful military
      +2
      2 November 2013 18: 43
      Quote: Cherdak
      Quote: x.andvlad
      Yes, the Baltic states - the people are economic


      Only this can explain that even they try to attach such a clown to the household

      Here the strangeness came out (natural), because this individual, a native of Sweden and a staff member of the US CIA, did not have title citizenship, at the time of arrival (1992) in the former (hopefully future) Estland Province / Estonian SSR ... "Penguin" , so this (this individual) is called by us, a US citizen ...
  43. +3
    2 November 2013 16: 47
    Balts are a bunch of small mongrels who are sitting on a leash of geyropa and the United States when they pull for this leash they together begin to fuck and the whole bunch just wants to keep the booth sometimes warm and the owners have trouble with this.
  44. +1
    2 November 2013 16: 48
    Quote: aud13
    You look, if you reduce your excesses, then your relations with Russia will improve.

    We can help, we will export feel
  45. 11111mail.ru
    +3
    2 November 2013 17: 11
    Poland under the USSR also speculated in Soviet oil on the world market. They bought at the price "for their own", and traded at the market price. That's where this idea comes from.
  46. Platov
    +2
    2 November 2013 17: 52
    If you want gas at Russian prices, recognize Russian as the state language and Russian as the state-forming nation, respectively. And maybe we will go to you as a foreign country.
    1. Peaceful military
      +5
      2 November 2013 18: 54
      Quote: PLATOV
      If you want gas at Russian prices, recognize Russian as the state language and Russian as the state-forming nation, respectively. And maybe we will go to you as a foreign country.

      This, in the current situation, is idealism.
      BUT!
      Ride, still ride ... The greatest profit is from tourists from Russia ... Which, personally, I only welcome and not only from an economic point of view.
      We were and should be one. And there were, not a few hundred years there, but a thousand years!
      The story tells us about the faithful and not inhibited ests in the ranks of Prince Oleg (in Tallinn there was even a monument to this), etc.
      1. +3
        2 November 2013 19: 32
        Quote: Peaceful military
        The story tells us about the faithful and not inhibited ests in the ranks of Prince Oleg (in Tallinn there was even a monument to this), etc.

        Greetings, Andrew.
        And in the monument to the Russian prince Vyachka and the Estonian elder Meelis in Yuryev, the titular fascists have not yet been demolished? Given that it was commemorated by the joint struggle of the Russian and Estonian peoples against the German conquerors, they should have been demolished in the first place.
        1. Peaceful military
          0
          2 November 2013 19: 52
          Quote: Luga
          Quote: Peaceful military
          The story tells us about the faithful and not inhibited ests in the ranks of Prince Oleg (in Tallinn there was even a monument to this), etc.

          Greetings, Andrew.
          And in the monument to the Russian prince Vyachka and the Estonian elder Meelis in Yuryev, the titular fascists have not yet been demolished? Given that it was commemorated by the joint struggle of the Russian and Estonian peoples against the German conquerors, they should have been demolished in the first place.

          It is worth ... http://renatar.livejournal.com/425643.html?thread=24803243
  47. +5
    2 November 2013 18: 49
    One thing is interesting, these three Russophobes in what language did they communicate between themselves? I think my brother is in the great and powerful Russian language. This is the grimace of fate!
    1. Nu daaaa ...
      +2
      2 November 2013 19: 12
      In English. Why in Russian? All three have a good education and speak languages, Ilves graduated from Columbia and Pennsylvania University, Dalia Grybauskaite was the Commissioner of the European Commission for Budget and Financial Planning from 2004 to 2009, (purely English-speaking position), Andris Berzins worked as an adviser to the president of Skandinavisk Enskilda Bank- again as.
      1. +4
        2 November 2013 20: 11
        Quote: Nu daaaa ...
        In English. Why in Russian?

        Do you have to understand that you were there too?
        1. Nu daaaa ...
          0
          3 November 2013 01: 17
          Not. Just a piece of common sense. English is one of the main languages ​​of the world and the EU, 380 million speaks, Russian is the language ... 150 million. We are positioning ourselves in the EU, not in the CU.
          1. +8
            3 November 2013 13: 26
            Quote: Nu daaaa ...
            Just a piece of common sense

            Exactly a piece? wassat
            Quote: Nu daaaa ...
            We are positioning ourselves in the EU

            Your words, yes to God in ears ...
            This is not you positioning ... This is the EU positioning you from all angles ...
            Tomorrow, the EU will die (and you have a chance), what will remain of a small and proud Estonia except for its name and flag?
            1. Nu daaaa ...
              0
              3 November 2013 13: 41
              Tomorrow, the EU will die (and you have a chance), what will remain of a small and proud Estonia except for its name and flag


              Agriculture has become not just a skate and a fetish in Belarus, it has grown to the scale of a unique phenomenon, at the level of the eighth wonder of the world. This image was reinforced by the numerous woahs and oohs of guests from Russia over our fields, gardens and herds, as if Belarus was the last place they stayed. So I was a little disappointed - not the last. In the near future, Estonians are not threatened by the prospect of eating money.

              They not only provide themselves with basic products, but also export them to Russia, Latvia, Finland and Lithuania. In total, over the past year, Estonia exported agricultural products worth 1,163 billion euros (2,08 billion dollars). And Belarus - attention - by 5 billion dollars, that is, only 2,04 times more. Let me remind you that the territory of Estonia is about five times smaller than the territory of Belarus, and the population is 6,7 times. I apologize to those who still believed in Belarus as a great agricultural empire. I myself had to part with the illusions.


              http://rus.postimees.ee/1352076/jestonija-glazami-belorusskogo-zhurnalista-stran
              a-gde-ne-nado-answerchat-za-batku
              1. +5
                3 November 2013 14: 46
                Quote: Nu daaaa ...
                In total, over the past year, Estonia exported agricultural products worth 1,163 billion euros (2,08 billion dollars). And Belarus - attention - by 5 billion dollars, that is, only 2,04 times more. Let me remind you that the territory of Estonia is about five times smaller than the territory of Belarus, and the population is 6,7 times

                Duc ... who argues
                It’s a pity that your bananas do not grow - they would be a classic banana republic.
                Small and proud ... laughing
                1. Nu daaaa ...
                  -2
                  3 November 2013 14: 50
                  However, Estonia managed to create a new one on the ruins of Soviet industry. Instead of factories named after someone, technology and industrial parks, companies and concerns have grown. Without the former gigantomania, but enough. Industry provides 30% of GDP.
                  1. Stasi
                    +2
                    3 November 2013 15: 05
                    Only you forgot to add that all these techno and industrial parks, companies and concerns were created with money and grants from Germans and Swedes, money was allocated through their banks. So all this good does not belong to you, but to them. In fact, we can say that all Baltic property is in the hands of Westerners, at the expense of payment for all grants and loans that were not issued for beautiful eyes.
                  2. +8
                    3 November 2013 18: 02
                    Quote: Nu daaaa ...
                    However, Estonia managed to create a new one on the ruins of Soviet industry.

                    I did not see there, you, any industrial giant ... Or just a serious enterprise. Only ports work - they process Russian transit.
                    The ruins of the RAF factories. VEF, Riga car building seen.
                    Your EuroGospoda cannot even entrust a screwdriver assembly to you.
                    You guys, yourself, voluntarily returned to the title of "serving nation", as well as your friends-neighbors.
                  3. +2
                    3 November 2013 21: 47
                    I don’t know what your industry gives, but my acquaintances who “live” in Estonia practically do not appear there - everyone is working, some in the Scandinavian countries, some in Germany, some in England. And about your GDP at 30% ... well, just tales from 1001 and one night.
                  4. +2
                    4 November 2013 21: 46
                    And who then turned the enterprises of Soviet industry into ruins? The same Russia put her hand bully
    2. Peaceful military
      +2
      2 November 2013 21: 00
      Quote: Zhaman-Urus
      One thing is interesting, these three Russophobes in what language did they communicate between themselves? I think my brother is in the great and powerful Russian language. This is the grimace of fate!

      But no ... Through an interpreter (it is not clear into which languages), because, unlike the Latvian and Lithuanian pre-s (former functionaries of the CPSU), our "penguin" is completely foreign and Russian (in his words, the language of the occupiers) does not own at all and does not want to own.
  48. +4
    2 November 2013 19: 06
    Such "states" are dangerous, because, due to their economic instability and the anger of the population, they can become a springboard for an attack by any aggressively-minded country or bloc of countries on Russia. Therefore, I believe that in the Security Council it is necessary to raise the issue of introducing direct UN control in the territories of these countries, withdrawing them from all blocs, both military and political. It is also necessary to carry out complete demilitarization there - a ban on any army, a restriction on foreign policy and putting under police control and conducting domestic policy. Only in this case it will be possible to talk about gas supplies, construction of a nuclear power plant, etc. things. Just imagine, gentlemen from the Kaliningrad region, on the border of the Russian Federation there is a state with a nuclear power plant, with an unpredictable foreign policy, ready to provide its territory to the aggressor, and even constantly demanding money from Russia, like a beggar or a bandit on the street. Who might like it?
    1. +6
      2 November 2013 19: 50
      Quote: 1536
      It is also necessary to conduct a complete demilitarization there.

      as!? take away the only tank !? or an inflatable boat !? can't be so envious No.
      1. 0
        3 November 2013 12: 26
        Dear, here is the composition of the ground forces of Lithuania for the 2011 year (and I see nothing funny here):
        As of 2011 year, the military budget of Lithuania amounted to 360 million US dollars, the total number of armed forces was 10,64 thousand people. personnel troops, 6700 reservists, and 14,6 thousand more served as part of other paramilitary groups.
        Ground forces numbered 8,2 thousand troops (one brigade of quick reaction forces, two motorized infantry battalions, two mechanized battalions, one engineering battalion, one battalion of military police, one training regiment and several territorial defense units), were armed with 187 M113XN armored personnel carriers; 1 BRDM-10; 2 133-mm field artillery guns; 105 61-mm mortar, up to 120 recoilless 100-mm Carl Gustaf guns, 84 ATGMs, 65 anti-aircraft guns and 18 man-portable air defense systems RBS-20, as well as over 70 anti-tank grenade launchers of various types.
        There are also the Air Force and Navy. Only a provocateur can discount such armed forces, moreover, located in the immediate vicinity of Russian territory.
        1. +2
          3 November 2013 12: 32
          Quote: 1536
          Dear, here is the composition of the ground forces of Lithuania for the 2011 year (and I see nothing funny here):

          You just missed the funny. The name of the only team "Iron Wolf" and her battalions:
          King Mindaugas Mechanized Infantry Battalion
          Mechanized Infantry Battalion named after the Grand Duke of Lithuania Algirdas
          Grand Duchess Birute Motorized Infantry Battalion
          Motorized Infantry Battalion named after Grand Duke of Lithuania Kestutis
          Artillery Battalion named after General Romualdas Gedraitis
          And the funniest thing
          Logistics support battalion of direct support named after Prince Vaidotas
          1. +2
            3 November 2013 13: 11
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: 1536
            Dear, here is the composition of the ground forces of Lithuania for the 2011 year (and I see nothing funny here):

            You just missed the funny. The name of the only team "Iron Wolf" and her battalions:
            King Mindaugas Mechanized Infantry Battalion
            Mechanized Infantry Battalion named after the Grand Duke of Lithuania Algirdas
            Grand Duchess Birute Motorized Infantry Battalion
            Motorized Infantry Battalion named after Grand Duke of Lithuania Kestutis
            Artillery Battalion named after General Romualdas Gedraitis
            And the funniest thing
            Logistics support battalion of direct support named after Prince Vaidotas

            and the General Staff named after King Labus?
            1. +6
              3 November 2013 13: 28
              Quote: atalef
              and the General Staff named after King Labus?

              But this is the worst military secret!
    2. sergaivenski
      +2
      3 November 2013 04: 15
      GETS LIKE WITH DPRK: OR WATER-FEED US, NORTH KOREANS, OR WE WILL MUCH ALL YOU.
      THE PROBLEM ONLY IN THE ABSENCE OF A HUGE ARMY. MEANS HOPE FOR OVERLOAD GUNS.
      ONLY THE NATO BLOC IS SIMPLY SO IN THE FIGHT ALSO NOT TO GO WITH HAND !!!
  49. tooth46
    +7
    2 November 2013 19: 09
    At one time, the USSR built a nuclear power plant on the territory of fraternal Lithuania, called Ignalina. After leaving the Union, Lithuania, in addition to meeting its own needs, for some time sold cheap energy to Latvia, Belarus, Kaliningrad region, Poland. This did not please the European Union, of which Lithuania was energetically asking for membership. In the European Union, France is the "chief" in nuclear energy and not only. At the suggestion of the latter, under the pretext of "environmental threats", although it was about the cleanest economy, the Lithuanians were forced to stop and close their own nuclear power plant. As a result: several thousand nuclear scientists in the city of Ignalina lost their jobs, Lithuania was left without cheap electricity and profit from its trade and was forced to buy electricity in Europe. Not on the topic, but something similar in terms of metallurgy and mechanical engineering can happen in Ukraine.
  50. +4
    2 November 2013 19: 25
    Quote: Sayapo
    And nefig was to get off
    Stop, stop. Here are the figurines. No regrets! Self-determined, let them now self-survive. They scream at every corner that we are occupants, and they need cheaper gas.
  51. +3
    2 November 2013 19: 29
    Quote: Nu daaaa ...
    In English. Why in Russian? All three have a good education and speak languages, Ilves graduated from Columbia and Pennsylvania University, Dalia Grybauskaite was the Commissioner of the European Commission for Budget and Financial Planning from 2004 to 2009, (purely English-speaking position), Andris Berzins worked as an adviser to the president of Skandinavisk Enskilda Bank- again as.

    Yes, it would be better if they knew the Russian language better, because in the West they will never be given money, and in general there is nothing for them there except to be in the service of the Germans and Poles. But we in Russia are kind, we still distinguish them by nationality, and sooner or later we will feel sorry for them. But a repetition of Soviet relations with them cannot be allowed.
  52. +5
    2 November 2013 19: 29
    I liked the comment about the neighbors and the cow. Indeed, with all unstable and non-friendly countries it is necessary to conclude only current supply contracts, say for a month. And carefully watch the expressions of their faces, they grimaced - here’s a hundred from above. After all, these are our resources (the cow) and it would be stupid not to manipulate them.
  53. RSA
    -7
    2 November 2013 19: 29
    Dobri den, mi "Litva" neznaju kak LV i EST, neftisRUS nepakupajiem 10 let, est terminal butinge i sami padvozim,(riciaga davlienija RUS neimejut v etam planie), tepier gazzz , platim bolse v siex v ES, tax tieper nestrasen i kak to pisal norviezski gaz:), tak pastroiem terminal uze miense ciem za god, i apiet riciagom davlienija miense,
    kto ta piset davno nuzna trubu atriezat, riezte iz LV kupim, nu mnie interiesna skolka klasav eti LIUDI akoncili, intiriesna tagda kak v Kionigsberg budite viedrami gaz moriem dastavliat:)
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    2. 0
      2 November 2013 19: 58
      So what do you have with the timing of commissioning of LNG?! And what kind of monitoring of the price of Norwegian gas for your conditions?
    3. +4
      2 November 2013 20: 14
      Quote: RSA
      kto ta piset davno nuzna trubu atriezat, riezte iz LV kupim, nu mnie interiesna skolka klasav eti LIUDI akoncili, intiriesna tagda kak v Kionigsberg budite viedrami gaz moriem dastavliat:)


      Is it difficult to turn on translit?
      1. +3
        3 November 2013 13: 14
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Quote: RSA
        kto ta piset davno nuzna trubu atriezat, riezte iz LV kupim, nu mnie interiesna skolka klasav eti LIUDI akoncili, intiriesna tagda kak v Kionigsberg budite viedrami gaz moriem dastavliat:)


        Is it difficult to turn on translit?

        he turned it on, he’ll just transfer it by the end of the year wassat
    4. 0
      2 November 2013 21: 42
      Quote: RSA
      intiriesna tagda kak v Kionigsberg budite viedrami gaz moriem dastavliat:)

      Is there anything else to blackmail Russia with? But we didn’t seem to doubt your rotten essence.
      1. RSA
        -3
        3 November 2013 00: 08
        ja zi pisal a liudiax(v etam saite) katorije predlagajut trubu atriezat dabi nam nagadit, a vi sami svaim nagadite:-) neuzeli tax trudna dascitat da kanca,mi santazam nezanimaiesmia kak niekatarije...
        1. +5
          3 November 2013 13: 32
          Quote: RSA
          ja zi pisal a liudiax(v etam saite) katorije predlagajut trubu atriezat dabi nam nagadit, a vi sami svaim nagadite:-) neuzeli tax trudna dascitat da kanca,mi santazam nezanimaiesmia kak niekatarije...

          My friend, you should write it in English then, or something... By the time you read it, you’ll break your eyes.
          And why are you hiding the little flag? Are you ashamed of your native land?
          1. Misantrop
            +1
            3 November 2013 14: 00
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            My friend, you should write it in English then, or something... By the time you read it, you’ll break your eyes.
            It’s interesting, but such writing is a common problem for all mobile operators in Ukraine. ALL advertising and service SMS are sent to mobile phones in Surzhik and in English letters. It will really blow your mind until you understand what exactly is being proposed. Therefore, almost all users simply erase this nonsense with obscenities, without even trying to understand it...
            1. +5
              3 November 2013 14: 50
              Quote: Misantrop
              a common problem for all mobile operators in Ukraine

              Yes, and in Russia it is not uncommon.
              Poor IT companies, using decommissioned imported hardware purchased on occasion, do not want to “shovel” the Latin alphabet not the Cyrillic alphabet - the client will understand anyway laughing
            2. Marek Rozny
              -1
              4 November 2013 18: 41
              Quote: Misantrop
              It’s interesting, but such writing is a common problem for all mobile operators in Ukraine. ALL advertising and service SMS are sent to mobile phones in Surzhik and in English letters. It will really blow your mind until you understand what exactly is being proposed. Therefore, almost all users simply erase this nonsense with obscenities, without even trying to understand it...

              This is one of the reasons why Kazakhs are switching to the Latin alphabet. Specific letters of the Kazakh version of the Cyrillic alphabet are inconvenient for use on devices. My phone itself does not display Kazakh letters, instead there are squares. As I understand it, mobile operators in Ukraine send text in Ukrainian using the Latin alphabet, also due to the incorrect display of specific letters of the Ukrainian alphabet. Time to change the alphabet.
              ZY In the early Middle Ages, Turkic nomads used runic writing, leaving notes on stones, and when cheap paper appeared in Central Asia in the 8th century, they switched from runic writing (sharpened for carving on stone) to the more convenient Arabic alphabet (others were also used along the way recording systems). Nowadays there are electronic devices around in which the most correct form of displaying characters is based on the Latin alphabet. So why should we worry? It is easier to switch to the Latin alphabet than to suffer with the Kazakh version of the Cyrillic alphabet, which most devices do not “understand”.
              1. 0
                5 November 2013 12: 04
                This is one of the reasons why Kazakhs are switching to the Latin alphabet.

                How is it that 26 letters of the Latin alphabet are more suitable for conveying in writing more than 40 sounds of Turkic languages ​​in general and the Kazakh language in particular than 33 letters of the Cyrillic alphabet + additionally developed characters?
                What are you talking about here? Don't confuse your heel with your finger.

                This is nothing more than the total reluctance of developers and service companies in the IT sector to localize software products and services with the same total connivance of state regulatory authorities.

                For some reason, China, Korea, and Japan are not thinking of switching to the Latin alphabet. Okay, in China there are many nationalities with their own dialects. But the Japanese and Koreans are quite united nations in the linguistic sense.

                For example, for some reason, even highly specialized software (and not just all sorts of Windows and Office) has 100% localization in German, French and other languages ​​in its official versions. Right down to the last point in additional modules and help. The same cannot be said about the Russian versions. I’ll keep quiet about the Kazakh ones. But these are official releases for the whole country.
                And this is true not only for software.

                But the same Germans will simply ban sales on their territory without normal localization. And here we can be free. Licensing authorities are silent, and users are not going anywhere.
                1. Marek Rozny
                  0
                  5 November 2013 13: 48
                  Quote: abrakadabre
                  How is it that 26 letters of the Latin alphabet are more suitable for conveying in writing more than 40 sounds of Turkic languages ​​in general and the Kazakh language in particular than 33 letters of the Cyrillic alphabet + additionally developed characters?

                  Firstly, almost ALL Turkic peoples use the Latin alphabet, except for the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz. Although, in principle, the Kazakh state news agency publishes news daily in the Kazakh Latin alphabet of the 30s (at the same time, news is published in Cyrillic and Kazakh Arabic). This is done so that all Kazakhs in the world (every fourth Kazakh historically lives outside of Kazakhstan) can easily read news in their native language in a graphics they understand - Chinese and Iranian Kazakhs use Arabic, Turkish Kazakhs use Latin. Plus, there is also a Kazakh alphabet based on Chinese characters, although it is rarely used in China. In fact, Kazakhs use three alphabets at the same time. And keep in mind that foreign Kazakhs (except Mongolian Kazakhs) do not understand the Cyrillic alphabet.
                  Secondly, specific additional Latin characters, which are used by Germans, Hungarians, Turks and others, are usually available in electronic devices, so there are no problems with additional letters.
                  Quote: abrakadabre
                  This is nothing more than the total reluctance of developers and service companies in the IT sector to localize software products and services with the same total connivance of state regulatory authorities.

                  All devices that are sold legally in Kazakhstan are equipped with the Kazakh alphabet, but due to the narrowness of the domestic market, manufacturers do not import the entire line of products into KZ; many things have to be ordered from abroad.
                  Translating all software into Kazakh Cyrillic is an impossible task. Every day thousands of large and small computer programs are released and it is physically impossible to oblige all software makers to add the Kazakh Cyrillic alphabet to the settings.
                  For example, I liked some interesting program, downloaded it from the Internet, but I stupidly cannot enter my name into it, because the developer from India, Russia or Burkina Faso did not even think about embedding Kazakh letters there. Polyubas has to enter data in Latin or, at best, distort the data using only Russian Cyrillic letters.
                  1. Marek Rozny
                    0
                    5 November 2013 13: 50
                    Quote: abrakadabre
                    For some reason, China, Korea, and Japan are not thinking of switching to the Latin alphabet.

                    Bad example. The Chinese will fall apart into subethnic groups if they stop using hieroglyphs. Chinese languages ​​are very different from each other, and only all Chinese understand hieroglyphs in the same way.
                    In addition, these are large countries with large populations, and Kazakhstan is a very tiny country in terms of population (and, accordingly, its sales market). China, Korea, Japan have a bunch of their own device manufacturers, but Kazakhstan has a different production niche. In China or Korea, it is profitable to produce your software in your native alphabet, but in Kazakhstan there is no benefit. It’s easier to buy a foreign product and enter information there in the Kazakh Latin alphabet.
                    Well, let me remind you once again that the Kazakhs (and other Turks) used the Latin alphabet before the Cyrillic alphabet. Kazakh text in Latin will be understood not only by Kazakhs, but also by Turks. But the Turks do not understand the Cyrillic alphabet. For us, this is also a weighty argument so that Kazakh texts can be read by all Turks of the world (including Azerbaijanis, Turkmen, Uzbeks, who have already officially switched to the Turkic Latin alphabet).
                    Sooner or later, even Russian Tatars will switch to the Latin alphabet. They were going to do this even before the Kazakhs, but Yeltsin prohibited it by law (which in general is a gross interference in the culture of the Tatar people).
                    Kazakh Latin can be read and understood by any Kazakh in the world. Even my grandmother, born in the 20s, or my younger brothers. There are no Kazakhs who cannot read Kazakh text in Latin. But the lion's share of Kazakhs abroad (except for Mongolian ones) absolutely do not understand the Cyrillic alphabet. Just beyond the “Chinese River” there are 1 million Kazakhs who cannot read news on the Internet or books in their native language in the Cyrillic alphabet.
                    The phrase “Men Qazaqstanda turamyn” (“I live in Kazakhstan”) is understandable to all Turks, whether urban, even aul, even “Soviet,” even foreign.
                    Sometimes they say that there will be gigantic costs, that this is supposedly an impossible financial task - nothing like that. Over the past 100 years, the Kazakhs have already changed their alphabet (Arabic-Latin-Cyrillic) several times, and have not slipped into tartar or ignorance. And even now it is much simpler - most of the information that will need to be published in the new alphabet will be on electronic media. And this is cheaper than reprinting hundreds of thousands of paper books and brochures.
                    Even our school textbooks are gradually being replaced with electronic ones.
        2. 0
          3 November 2013 22: 06
          Yes, you yourself have spoiled yourself there is nowhere else, the freebie is over - you have to pay for the pleasure of warming up with our gas, and you don’t need to blackmail Koenigsberg, otherwise Russia’s maritime borders are nearby, for example, you can, for example, declare military naval exercises for a period of three or four months and close the maritime approaches to your trinity, then you won’t catch not only gas, but even sprats
    5. 0
      3 November 2013 21: 59
      you look, otherwise you will receive products by air from the EU, and all deliveries to Kaliningrad can be done by sea, as soon as Russia stops running its trains through your territory, you will cry that you were also deprived of railway transportation
  54. Andris1970
    -1
    2 November 2013 19: 40
    firstly, Latvia has one of the largest gas storage facilities in Europe
    And I don’t remember that we had a problem with heat and gas
    Wind generators have already been crammed throughout Latvia
    in Lithuania AC was dismantled because it was made according to the Chernobyl principle
    Damn, you just have nothing to talk about
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    2. +8
      2 November 2013 20: 17
      Quote: Andris1970
      in Lithuania AC was dismantled because it was made according to the Chernobyl principle

      Be glad that it is not the Fukushima principle.
      The question of the reliability of nuclear power plants, what
      Quote: Andris1970
      made according to the Chernobyl principle
      It's even funny to discuss. Such nuclear power plants are still operating among both the dates and the Magyars.
      1. +4
        3 November 2013 13: 22
        By the way, the Finnish nuclear power plant is considered one of the most reliable in the world - what about this fact? Did this have any impact on the closure of Ignalinskaya?
    3. Peaceful military
      +6
      2 November 2013 21: 16
      Quote: Andris1970
      firstly, Latvia has one of the largest gas storage facilities in Europe
      And I don’t remember that we had a problem with heat and gas
      Wind generators have already been crammed throughout Latvia
      in Lithuania AC was dismantled because it was made according to the Chernobyl principle
      Damn, you just have nothing to talk about

      Young man!
      In Latvia, the so-called "largest gas storage facility in Europe" was created by the USSR with an underground nuclear explosion. This time.
      You, like us, do not and never have had problems with heat and gas thanks to the relatively low prices for gas from Russia (an old love, you understand) and the accuracy of payment due to the wild prices for gas in Latvia and here... That's two.
      The Ignalina Nuclear Power Plant, like the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant (and many others), unlike the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant, are the safest plants... That's three.
      As they say in the troops, learn your materiel and don’t disgrace yourself. hi
    4. Dmitriy1975
      0
      2 November 2013 23: 20
      Well, certainly not with you, deletant
    5. +4
      3 November 2013 13: 20
      in Lithuania AC was dismantled because it was made according to the Chernobyl principle

      Well, of course, this is absolutely nonsense, there are enough such reactors around the world and they all work, it’s just that your politicians followed the lead of narrow-minded Caucasians who, not understanding anything about energy, are ready to close all nuclear power plants and be poisoned by ordinary thermal emissions (if anyone thinks, that wind turbines and solar power are the way out, this is sheer populism of people who know nothing about energy)
      By closing the Ignalina Nuclear Power Plant, they lost not only energy self-sufficiency, but also the opportunity to export at least something. It’s stupid and nonsense, France is not going to close its stations, but their nuclear power plants produce 60% of electricity. energy
      1. lightman
        +4
        3 November 2013 20: 19
        Everything is simpler. There was the Ignalisa Nuclear Power Plant, there was energy for pennies. The nuclear power plant was shut down, the country is without energy.
        But “our people from the Gay European Union” will always help. They sell their energy to the Balts. In particular, French concerns. And of course they sell for much more.
        That's all. And the funny thing is that the concerns resell the generated energy to the Baltic states from Russian gas. Like this)
        Without a sucker, life is bad.
    6. 0
      3 November 2013 22: 10
      and Chernobyl failed because of the commission that arrived there to check; if the protection had not been turned off, then nothing would have happened. And so she was the most reliable at that time
  55. +2
    2 November 2013 19: 40
    If you wanted independence, get it and warm yourself with it laughing .
  56. RSA
    -8
    2 November 2013 19: 52
    nu mi i radaismia, a vi zli sto skoro etim nesumeite nas pugat, patamu i takoi balsoi dialog zdes, luce a sibire padumali, a to tam pamojimu uze plemenoi (kto chocet paimiot) kitaiski idot jazik
    1. +6
      2 November 2013 20: 21
      Quote: RSA
      nu mi i radaismia, a vi zli sto skoro etim nesumeite nas pugat, patamu i takoi balsoi dialog zdes, luce a sibire padumali, a to tam pamojimu uze plemenoi (kto chocet paimiot) kitaiski idot jazik

      Come on... We were already scared... everyone... at once
    2. +2
      2 November 2013 20: 40
      Who doesn’t speak for Russia, how things are going there. And Jews, and Azerbaijanis, and now a Lithuanian. Well, tell me where you were in Siberia and who you saw?


      1. +4
        2 November 2013 21: 45
        Quote: 31231
        Well, tell me where you were in Siberia and who you saw?

        Well... if you were born in Siberia, into a family of immigrants, then why ask?
      2. namejs
        +1
        5 November 2013 05: 03
        The Lithuanian friend is right. There are a lot of problems in Russia. Russia finds itself lagging behind even developing countries

        In Russia, a significant part of innovations are imitative, and in terms of the level of innovative development, our country continues to lag behind not only developed but also developing countries, consolidating itself in the status of the world periphery.

        The relative volume of Russia's investments in R&D is 5 times less than in developed countries, said the President of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry Sergei Katyrin at a business forum in Rostov-on-Don. In per capita terms, Russia spends less than $100 per year on R&D, while developed countries spend up to $500.
    3. Dmitriy1975
      0
      2 November 2013 23: 19
      Why should I scare you, I’m sorry, of course, but people like you are already born crap
    4. 0
      3 November 2013 22: 17
      But, by the way, you have information from Lithuanian “colleagues” that they buy sperm in Europe, all from themselves, half past five. So it’s better to take care of your old age, and not of our Siberia.
  57. +1
    2 November 2013 20: 03
    Quote: smile
    Vlad_Mir
    And what about the population? The population is migrant workers, like Tajiks, scolds their governments, which they consider a bunch of idiots and thieves, but they know for sure that the Russians are to blame for everything ... :))) And what can be said about their population if the best-selling book in Estonia is a book "Turd and Spring" ... :))) Children's book, tells about the love of turd for something there, I don't remember what ... but this is the sales leader in the country ... :)))

    Oh....b!!!!! We made it.
  58. +2
    2 November 2013 20: 25
    Quote: RSA
    nu mi i radaismia, a vi zli sto skoro etim nesumeite nas pugat, patamu i takoi balsoi dialog zdes, luce a sibire padumali, a to tam pamojimu uze plemenoi (kto chocet paimiot) kitaiski idot jazik

    Come on, no one is scaring you. They are scaring you from overseas because you sold yourself there wholeheartedly. It’s just that you will buy gas at our price or you will take it from Norway - this is not our problem. It's your problem. We have no problems with sales. And we will deliver gas to Kaliningrad, if necessary. But already past you.
    1. +5
      2 November 2013 21: 48
      Quote: x.andvlad
      It’s just that you will buy gas at our price or you will take it from Norway - this is not our problem. It's your problem

      Laying a pipeline along the seabed is 3-4 times more expensive than laying a pipeline on land. Maintenance, as well as condition monitoring, is an order of magnitude more expensive. Norwegian StatOil is clearly not a Christian mission for the homeless; prices will not be lower than Russian ones.
  59. skiffdv
    +4
    2 November 2013 21: 08
    Eh guys, it’s certainly good to teach everyone a lesson. But none of the trio will freeze in winter and sit without light, in the worst case scenario. I feel sorry for the old people who cannot go to warm countries to work.
  60. +1
    2 November 2013 21: 53
    It’s interesting about windmills. We have half of Crimea covered with them. (figuratively). So what? These stuffed animals stand there five days a week! That’s right, at one time, they said to the green ones - Do you want to watch TV by candlelight?
  61. catapractic
    +6
    2 November 2013 22: 00
    energy impotence...hmm, why only energy???, and also political and economic...and in general there is complete impotence laughing
    1. namejs
      0
      5 November 2013 05: 07
      It’s just that economic collapse is foreseen for Russia and not for the valiant Baltic countries
  62. +2
    2 November 2013 22: 03
    They need to heat their stoves with tolerance. we don't have much of this resource laughing
  63. +3
    2 November 2013 22: 33
    These Baltic sisters are funny and eat fish and go fishing on our gas. It was not there. I suggest not taking the sisters back. Very much for free, prone.
    They are also prone to prostitution and have long been out of print...
    Verdict: Refuse! winked
  64. +1
    2 November 2013 23: 43
    Three girls at the window, spinning crap, she is alone for the whole Baltic. Stop mocking Russia! Are Russian speakers your enemies? Get gas on one hell of a lot!
  65. 0
    3 November 2013 00: 24
    In general, there seems to be one way out for the Baltic presidents: to go to Brussels again with an outstretched hand and ask for loans for all of their energy endeavors, well, or for gas purchases at the price for which Gazprom was “generous”.


    “They have no other way, they have a credit card in their hands...”
    This will apparently be a bummer for them.
  66. +6
    3 November 2013 01: 23
    Yes, they are building a gas terminal here, what’s the point? and it’s a no-brainer that gas will be even more expensive, but for our puppets it doesn’t matter that the people whine, the more their disease progresses, the more they blame the Russians for everything. But in fact, this is a complete ass, and the people are incompetent, just like they joined the EU in 2003 So the debts are growing by leaps and bounds. In reality, if you live from paycheck to paycheck, you can already be considered a happy person. Mostly those who live near some kind of feeding trough, or in the EU on permanent earnings for half a year. It’s impossible for young people to earn anything here from scratch, so everyone is on loans for 20-40 years. There’s a lot to say, but it’s already clear.
    1. sergaivenski
      0
      3 November 2013 04: 25
      YEAH !!! YOU WILL NOT ENVY!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WELL-REASONED COMMENTS!!!
    2. +6
      3 November 2013 13: 37
      Quote: Ruslan
      There is a lot to say, but it is already clear.

      Ruslan, the saddest thing is that when only mentioning a hypothetical commonwealth with an eastern neighbor, 75% of the local population unanimously answers “No”. Those. The majority of the people agree to die quietly and peacefully in an “independent family graveyard.”
      1. +5
        3 November 2013 18: 51
        Stupid pride and it turns out that they will support anyone who goes against the Russians and they don’t care if it’s true or not, so I say that Russophobes are poorly informed sick people. To be honest, with our laws, it’s better to keep your point of view to yourself, otherwise you might get sued, there are already examples. This is the kind of democracy we have :-)
        1. +4
          3 November 2013 20: 55
          Quote: Ruslan
          To be honest, with our laws, it’s better to keep your point of view to yourself, otherwise you might get sued, there are already examples. This is the kind of democracy we have :-)

          BadCracy is on the march!
          "Ah-ah... So you are against Soviet power?!" wassat
    3. +2
      3 November 2013 22: 24
      BRING ON THE BALTIC SPRING! And then everything is Arabic, yes Arabic
      1. namejs
        0
        5 November 2013 05: 33
        As if the current Arab spring had not begun for you
  67. +1
    3 November 2013 06: 06
    The question is off topic, to the moderators of the Military Review site, is it time to switch to a faster server? I'm already tired of this brake.
    1. 0
      3 November 2013 08: 51
      I wanted to reply in a private message, but it shows this:
      Attention, error detected
      ANTISPAM: User ID not valid



      The speed of the site is good, pages open in one fell swoop. Problems on your part


      How do you explain that almost all Internet pages open in one fell swoop, but there are problems on your site.
      1. +4
        3 November 2013 13: 39
        Quote: mivmim
        How do you explain that almost all Internet pages open in one fell swoop, but there are problems on your site.

        Sometimes ...
        But the problem is in your device.
  68. +2
    3 November 2013 09: 49
    In general, there seems to be one way out for the Baltic presidents: to go to Brussels again with an outstretched hand and ask for loans for all of their energy endeavors, well, or for gas purchases at the price for which Gazprom was “generous”.

    They thought and hoped that in the EU they would be fed and watered like in the Union. But it doesn’t work out... in order to be fed, they need to at least do something and work off something. At least just bark at Russia.
  69. +1
    3 November 2013 10: 46
    Quote: Peaceful military
    The Ignalina NPP, like the Chernobyl NPP (and many others), unlike the Fukushima NPP, are the safest plants...

    I'll correct it a little. Fast neutron reactors are now being built. And now they are considered the safest. They don’t even need a shaft from below the reactor in case of an accident.
    1. +6
      3 November 2013 13: 44
      Quote: 31231
      Fast neutron reactors are now being built. And now they are considered the safest. They don’t even need a shaft from below the reactor in case of an accident.

      All true.
      Only “they” are having “temporary difficulties” in Fukushima, while our fast neutron nuclear power plants are constantly subject to unconstructive obstruction. The hype around the Iranian nuclear power plant “echoes.”
    2. Misantrop
      +3
      3 November 2013 13: 50
      Quote: 31231
      They don’t even need a shaft from below the reactor in case of an accident.
      Actually, mines under blocks are pretty stupid. At least in the current version. Because in the event of an accident, all the coolant that has escaped from the circuit inevitably accumulates there. So the fall of a hot emergency reactor there would inevitably lead, at a minimum, to a thermal explosion...
  70. +2
    3 November 2013 11: 00
    Oh, how hard it is for them without freebies.
  71. +1
    3 November 2013 12: 53
    All that remains is to make good faces when the game is bad.
  72. Nu daaaa ...
    -1
    3 November 2013 13: 17
    For God's sake, don't worry about us so much, we'll manage somehow. It's not all bad here. Russian, Belarusian and Ukrainian journalists will come here, read what they write about our lives...

    http://rus.postimees.ee/2058872/jestonija-nu-russkie-oni-takie
    http://rus.postimees.ee/1352076/jestonija-glazami-belorusskogo-zhurnalista-stran
    a-gde-ne-nado-answerchat-za-batku
    1. +10
      3 November 2013 13: 46
      Quote: Nu daaaa ...
      Russian and Belarusian and Ukrainian journalists, read what they write about our lives...

      Yes, we ourselves regularly visit YOU.
      My personal opinion is quiet, peaceful and cultured, like in a Lutheran cemetery...
      1. Nu daaaa ...
        -3
        3 November 2013 13: 51
        Well, that's why your life is in turmoil...
        1. GP
          GP
          +1
          3 November 2013 22: 27
          Quote: Nu daaaa ...
          Well, that's why your life is in turmoil...


          Considering that this action was accompanied by a cordon, it looked frankly ridiculous: several hundred thousand people bowed to the feet of the police. Outside the mosque, it is more associated with begging for crumbs of benefits from the Moscow boyars. And all because this is not visible either in Tatarstan, or in Bashkiria, or in Azerbaijan, or in Kazakhstan, or even in Chechnya. wink
        2. +3
          3 November 2013 22: 28
          Here you have democracy in your face, people of any faith and nationality are equal in Russia, but how are you doing with the Russian-speaking population?
          1. namejs
            0
            5 November 2013 05: 41


            I doubt that you are actually so sure of what you are saying....


            For example, in Latvia the situation is different. I can say with confidence that the people of Latvia (not just the Latvians) are becoming more crying.

            Of course, there are Latish and non-Latish people who hate Latvia and would like to see it better as part of Russia, but fortunately there are few of them

            A good example of the integration of non-Latish people into Latish society is Seimas deputy Andrei Yudin. He himself announced that he was Latish of Russian origin. I should note that Yudin is one of the most respected lawyers in Latvia
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  75. Vorkot cat
    +2
    3 November 2013 22: 08
    The Baltic states, of course, can build wind, tidal and solar power plants in order to refuse Russian gas)

    Just one little question Where is the money, Zin?
  76. 0
    3 November 2013 22: 25
    Quote: Misantrop
    Quote: 31231
    They don’t even need a shaft from below the reactor in case of an accident.
    Actually, mines under blocks are pretty stupid. At least in the current version. Because in the event of an accident, all the coolant that has escaped from the circuit inevitably accumulates there. So the fall of a hot emergency reactor there would inevitably lead, at a minimum, to a thermal explosion...


    Not an expert in this. It’s just that he participated in the construction of the BN unit of the Beloyarsk NPP. They explained to me that it is much safer and because of this there is no shaft under the reactor.
    What if an explosion had occurred on the surface under the dome, would it have been better? And would the dome provide more protection? It is clear that in a reactor that has descended into a mine, all processes are no longer controlled, but even at Chernobyl and Fukushima, during an emergency, they could not be calmed down from above.
    1. 0
      7 November 2013 03: 52
      31231?
      In modern reactors, such as those being built in Kaliningrad and Belarus, a shaft under the reactor is required. It is designed to provide the LATEST protection against radiation entering the air and soil. This is achieved this way: if the reactor, despite 6 other levels of protection, still melts, then this melted radioactive fuel ends up in the mine. And in the mine, already during construction, a powder was placed, it seems boron salts, which ensure the absorption of neutrons and thereby ensure COMPLETE attenuation of the reaction. And in Fukushima there was no trace of this, so all this stuff is now flowing into groundwater, into the ocean, into the air... and it will be like this for another forty to fifty years, until this shit itself cools down so that it can be used I would like to somehow start picking out... Do not confuse Chernobyl and Fukushima. In Fukushima, all the shit went into the ground, through a burnt-out reactor and concrete foundations, and in Chernobyl everything burst into the air... The four exploded reactors of Fukushima are 10 times more dangerous than Chernobyl, but everything there is quiet and imperceptible and very slowly, because the radiation is spreading through the ground, not through the air. But this is even more dangerous due to the fact that this process will continue there for decades (!). The Japs no longer know where to dump the radioactive water... In short, Fukushima is worse than Chernobyl, and for the WHOLE world, everyone eats fish from the ocean...
  77. 0
    4 November 2013 00: 02
    Yes, these little ones with their complexes gave up
  78. 0
    4 November 2013 03: 58
    Well, we got together and talked. They complained about their difficult life. The main thing is to control it. so that no one jumps off the general line of behavior towards Russia. It seems to me that this is the main thing. America is giving less and less money, Europe doesn’t need them, servants (what role did Hitler assign to them?). So now they have to do their best to maintain the brand. Only in cold and hunger it will be more and more difficult to do this. Now we will complete the construction of a transshipment terminal near St. Petersburg, and it will be very bad for the proud Balts. So we sit and watch...
  79. vanaheym
    -1
    4 November 2013 04: 37
    Particularly pleasing are the comments of individuals in the style of “haha, ololo, look at how ours showed yours, they turned off the gas, raised the prices, let’s live, our gas, our oil, our ***, we are imperials!!”
    Well, if we take it optimistically, then those who show something to someone have nothing to do with those people who, in every topic about Russia raising gas prices or not releasing cheese, fiercely applaud and plus: one of those orally pleasing in Courchevel, another is an English football player, a third is developing nanotechnology, etc.
    There are no plus imperials there. It’s like with the price of gas in Ukraine - they made it at $500+. Counts. We will survive this.
    Why are you so excited? Nobody will give you a ruble from this. Although there may be a chance to discuss Miller’s new yacht or Abramovich’s new club.
    And to be honest, all those “intelligent” people who were not satisfied with their life under the USSR and who, with their pickets in August 1991, defended their right to live without vile totalitarianism, who are now talking about how good and smooth it was together, cause what then rejection.
    1. +2
      4 November 2013 14: 40
      Another smart one. Find out online how much Gazprom pays in taxes to the Russian budget before writing cheap slogans. In the next topic he gave a link to how the Russian Federation “robbed” Ukraine of gas. Maybe you'll wise up.
  80. Romanychby
    -1
    4 November 2013 14: 28
    Quote: vanaheym
    Particularly pleasing are the comments of individuals in the style of “haha, ololo, look at how ours showed yours, they turned off the gas, raised the prices, let’s live, our gas, our oil, our ***, we are imperials!!”
    Well, if we take it optimistically, then those who show something to someone have nothing to do with those people who, in every topic about Russia raising gas prices or not releasing cheese, fiercely applaud and plus: one of those orally pleasing in Courchevel, another is an English football player, a third is developing nanotechnology, etc.
    There are no plus imperials there. It’s like with the price of gas in Ukraine - they made it at $500+. Counts. We will survive this.
    Why are you so excited? Nobody will give you a ruble from this. Although there may be a chance to discuss Miller’s new yacht or Abramovich’s new club.
    And to be honest, all those “intelligent” people who were not satisfied with their life under the USSR and who, with their pickets in August 1991, defended their right to live without vile totalitarianism, who are now talking about how good and smooth it was together, cause what then rejection.

    Plus. He said everything correctly. Heads of state and oligarchs beat up show-offs, and the population suffers. It seems to me that the Balts do not all support such a policy. The majority, but not all. The Slavs have such a nature: it’s not that happiness is when happiness is with your neighbor the cow died. Let's be more humane. Look around you: there is plenty of shit around us.
    PySy: "Gazprom is a national treasure!":):):)
    Listen to the song by Semyon Slepakov;)
  81. +1
    4 November 2013 14: 34
    Quote: _Forgiven_
    You four together speak with such an accent, like it’s personally the Balts are buying gas from you. Your Gazprom, on the other hand, punishes you for money. I don’t understand why your sarcasm?


    Maybe you can look online how much Gazprom pays taxes to the budget of the Russian Federation and how much Naftogaz pays to the budget of Ukraine?
  82. 0
    4 November 2013 16: 42
    The pugs are barking at the elephant! :)
  83. vuvarovskiy
    +1
    4 November 2013 18: 33
    The Balts were the first to rush out of the USSR - and what became better for them???
  84. Marek Rozny
    +6
    4 November 2013 18: 50
    "... We - Kazakhs - having arrived at the festival in Jurmala, we could not understand in any way how Latvia lives? There is no industry, no factories, no oil, no gas, no metals, no wheat, no uranium. We are sitting in a cafe, we are scratching our heads. And then they brought us the bill... And it became clear to us how Latvia lives..." (KVN team "Astana.KZ")
    1. +3
      4 November 2013 19: 08
      Port services. And also transit ones.
      But of course, the second and subsequent tanks are difficult to buy.
  85. volkodav
    0
    7 November 2013 00: 15
    in a word, prostitutes. I wonder when the military registration and enlistment office will start selling vouchers for tank tours in the Baltics, and with whom will we share it again, perhaps with Germany again?
    1. 0
      7 November 2013 04: 05
      The Germans need to be given their ancestral lands, except for Kaliningrad and the surrounding area, the Belarusians are laying claim to their ancestral lands of Vilnius and the surrounding area, the Poles there also have something to do with the Balts... Well, in general, there is little left... And they don’t care about all this in vain everyone doesn’t live at home, and while working they clean the toilets of the Germans... especially the Lithuanians... I know I met many of them even while working (!) in Belarus... like already!
  86. qingdao.spine
    -1
    8 November 2013 04: 41
    Review of my treatment for intervertebral hernia in China, Qingdao.

    "Hello to all forum members. I would like to leave my review and opinion about the treatment of intervertebral hernia at the Hongchang Hospital in Qingdao. For a whole year I was bothered by back pain and nagging pain in my leg. Doctors diagnosed a lumbar intervertebral hernia. In the summer of 2012, I arrived in Qingdao at Hongchang Hospital. I had a so-called micro operation. Without an incision, a needle is inserted into the intervertebral disc, then a device is connected to the needle and within 10 minutes, under the influence of the device, as they explained to me, the composition of the hernia is converted from the inside into a liquid, which is subsequently removed from the body Before this procedure, my hernia was 7 mm, after 5,5 mm, the pain decreased. But I could not completely get rid of the pain, the doctor advised me to do open surgery. Two months later, I decided to have the operation and returned to Qingdao to the hospital. The operation was not carried out under general anesthesia (as the doctors told me it was epidural, i.e. fully conscious but you don’t feel anything below the belt). The doctors are experienced and confident, they do a lot of operations every day. The duration of the operation is 35 minutes. After the operation, 7 days of bed rest without permission to stand up. It is very important that one of the relatives be nearby and look after you during this period. There is no food in the hospital, but there are a lot of restaurants and cafes nearby. It should be noted that the hospital staff is very polite and efficient; in the room above the bed there is a button to call a nurse. The rehabilitation process went well, a month has passed since the operation, I feel good, the pain has gone. I even began to forget about the pain I felt before the operation. I think whoever is worried about this pain will understand me. Overall, I will say that I am pleased with the result. I was very afraid to have the operation because I had heard a lot of negative reviews and decided to do it because of the unbearable pain. The hospital does very good massages, various physiotherapy treatments with acupuncture courses. Special thanks to the translator Zhenya. She met us and checked us into a hotel. And most importantly, she competently translates medical terms. This is very important and useful when you are, and especially when you are being treated abroad, without knowing the language. In any situation, Zhenya always helped me, whether in the hospital or anywhere else. Overall my impressions are positive! The most important thing is that there is a result. Not much time has passed since the operation, in a couple of months I will write about my well-being. Best regards, Nodar."
  87. Arnoldd
    -1
    8 November 2013 11: 50
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  88. qingdao.spine
    -1
    8 November 2013 12: 22
    Review of my treatment for intervertebral hernia in China, Qingdao.

    Svetlana, 54 years old. Diagnosis: Intervertebral hernia.
    Methods and duration of treatment.
    Radiofrequency ablation, needle knife, acupuncture reflexology, massage, magnetic therapy, droppers and tablets. From 2013.05.09 to 2013.05.19
    Where did you hear about Hong Chan Hospital? -Internet.
    Review.
    Surgeries were performed on the lumbar and cervical spine, three needle-knife procedures were performed. The general condition has improved, doctors predict further quality of health. The treatment is expensive but effective. As a pensioner, I will have to save money for a long time to get another treatment, since there are still problems.
    From the bottom of my heart I thank Dr. Liu, Dr. Li and other doctors for their high professionalism, sensitivity, and patience.
    I also express my gratitude to the translator Evgenia for her excellent translation and high organizational skills.
    I love you all ! China is the future!