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Energy impotence of the Baltic

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On the last day of October, a meeting of the “Baltic troika” took place - the presidents of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. Dalia Grybauskaite, Andris Berzins and Toomas Hendrik Ilves, according to the press service of the head of the Lithuanian state, met to discuss topical issues of the development of the region, strengthening the basis for cooperation between the three countries. This is only according to the tradition that has developed in recent years (during the existence of these states in the format of declared independence), the conversation has shifted towards Russia. Baltic tradition, you know ... Do not talk about Russia as the "main threat" to the existence of a "democratic" Baltic - that's all! - Consider, the meeting was held in vain ...


Energy impotence of the Baltic


What is Russia this time excited our Baltic neighbors? It turned out that Vilnius, Riga and Tallinn literally no longer have the strength to be in energy dependence on Russian suppliers, and therefore they want to unite their efforts in order to connect to suppliers outside of Russia. And the greatest desire to diversify gas supplies was expressed by Lithuania. The reason is that the gas flowing today from Russia to Lithuania is more expensive than gas going to Latvia and Estonia. Riga and Tallinn some time ago managed to negotiate with 15% discount on “blue” fuel with Gazprom. After the Gazprom discount started working, Latvia and Estonia started receiving gas at roughly 440-450 dollars per 1 thousand cubic meters, while the price of gas for Lithuania remained at a value above 510 dollars for the same amount. And after all, it is Lithuania out of the three Baltic “sisters” that has to buy the largest volumes of gas from Russia.

What are the reasons why the discount from Gazprom did not affect Vilnius? Officially - some inconsistencies in the documents and other legal aspects. Informal - we guess ...

In order to get revenge on Gazprom for such an injection in the direction of Lithuania, the latter decided to declare the “illegal actions” of this Russian company to international antitrust services. As a claim, of course, they didn’t say that Gazprom didn’t go for discounts, but what the company forbids in re-exporting “blue fuel” when concluding contracts. They say that the remaining gas is “ownerless”, and we could sell it to Poles in need, for example ... Until recently, when signing contracts, Gazprom really demanded that the other party to the contract guarantee that the unrealized gas inside the contracting country would not be resold in third countries.

The international antimonopoly services heard such “groans” of Lithuania, and therefore threatened Gazprom with a finger: they say, you’ll continue to do this, we’re even more threatening with a finger ... At the same time, they pointed to antitrust legislation and that Russia is now a member of the WTO.

Representatives of Gazprom heard all this information, passed through themselves, digested and began to think what to do to keep the price of gas for Balts at the right level for themselves and not offend international commissions. Thought-thought at Gazprom and found a way out. Someone suggested a great idea: let the Balts, however, not re-export Russian gas inside the countries. More precisely, let them try to do it ...
What does “try” mean? But the fact is that for the re-export, so desired by Vilnius, there are at least two serious obstacles.

The first obstacle: “wasteless” (unused) gas in Lithuania remains (and this is still the best case for Lithuania) so much so that these volumes fit well with the term “the cat cried”. That is, to re-export something, you still need to save up. And how to save, if the price of a thousand cubes rolls over for 510 dollars. Who will buy gas at a price that Lithuania, apparently, is also going to wind up a little to get "dividends"?

Obstacle two: the Baltic gas transportation system has practically not developed since the collapse of the USSR. As it was part of the unified Soviet gas supply system, in fact it remains so today, although the Soviet system itself has been gone for a long time. In other words, the Baltic troika simply does not have any suitable transportation capacity for gas re-export to other countries (EU countries). That is, in fact, there is nothing and nothing to re-export ... Just some kind of Baltic gas transmission impotence ...

There is, however, one pipe built recently. But the trouble is: the Baltic states themselves connect this pipe with each other, and even that is not all. The pipe was laid between Lithuania and Latvia. As they say, re-export "with each other" as much as you want ...

Theoretically, such a pipe makes it possible to pump cheaper gas from Latvia (Russia sells Latvian gas at a price of about 450 dollars for 1 thousand cubic meters) to Lithuania. But what possibilities does this Lithuanian-Latvian pipe actually provide? By and large, no. If we consider that Latvia buys gas from Russia in the amount of about 1,1 billion cubic meters a year, and the gas pipeline to Lithuania has a capacity of about 2,3 billion cubic meters a year, then in order to "help" Lithuania, Latvia needs not only no to spend "their", bought from Russia, gas, and even somewhere to take about the same "blue fuel" annually. It is obvious that Riga does not have such a big “friendly” potential even with respect to its Baltic neighbor ... There is, of course, an option - Mrs. Grybauskaite will borrow money (based on their $ 450 price per thousand cubic meters of gas) to Andris Berzins, who will triple purchases from Russia ... But will Russia get to such a move? That is unlikely…

In general, by its decision, Gazprom killed two birds with one stone - it left international prosecution on the antitrust line and the WTO line, and in addition, left prices for Balts at the same level. As they say, you cannot legally dig ...

How in this situation to be the three Baltic "sisters"? To resolve this issue, their presidents met October 31. The decisions were made (or confirmed) as follows: it was decided to connect the pipe with Poland, and also to find some sources “bypassing Russia”. It would seem that everything for the Baltic presidents is just great. But only, firstly, the construction of the new gas transmission system of the Baltic-Poland will require substantial investments, and secondly - time. And if we take into account that the start of the project is scheduled only for 2018 year, then putting it into operation is certainly not the case for tomorrow or even the day after tomorrow.

In order to “not freeze” during this time, Lithuania intends to build a terminal for receiving LNG in the port of Klaipeda next year in record time. In a year, they are going to build a similar terminal in Latvia. At the same time there is talk that Lithuania will buy liquefied gas from Norway, and only at preferential prices. At preferential prices, say, well, well ...

What other discount prices from Norway? Is it not for the reason that in order not to supply the European Union with cheap energy resources, Norway is not joining this very European Union. Why should she go there - to “feed” the same Baltic trio with cheap hydrocarbons? ..

Norway will supply LNG to the Baltic countries, of course. But how much will Norwegian gas for Riga, Vilnius and Tallinn be cheaper than Russian gas? Wait, wait for discounts from the Norwegians ...

In general, there seems to be one way out for the Baltic presidents: to go to Brussels again with an outstretched hand and ask for loans for all of their energy endeavors, well, or for gas purchases at the price for which Gazprom was “generous”.
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  1. rrrd
    rrrd 2 November 2013 08: 36
    42
    Let them put windmills! Three "states"
    1. Alikovo
      Alikovo 2 November 2013 08: 45
      23
      You can put water mills.
      1. AVV
        AVV 2 November 2013 14: 41
        28
        Or in the end, drown their boiler houses with sprats !!!
        1. Andrey Skokovsky
          Andrey Skokovsky 5 November 2013 01: 35
          +5
          Quote: AVV
          Or in the end, drown their boiler houses with sprats !!!


          last year I choose sprats in the supermarket by manufacturer,
          like made in the Kaliningrad region, quite normal sprats.
      2. illarion
        illarion 2 November 2013 18: 52
        11
        In each gym, to install exercise bikes with dynamos: there is simply nothing to waste. On the streets, in parliament, in military units, in prisons.
        Gas turbines with dynamo and recycle gas in electric.
        1. _Forgiven_
          _Forgiven_ 4 November 2013 12: 37
          -3
          You four together speak with such an accent, like it’s personally the Balts are buying gas from you. Your Gazprom, on the other hand, punishes you for money. I don’t understand why your sarcasm?
          1. and she
            and she 4 November 2013 22: 13
            +5
            Can you tell us how our Gazprom punishes us for money? My house is heated with gas and somehow I don’t feel that heating bills are hitting my budget a lot. The house, by the way, is in the Zamkadye, in the Vladimir region.
            1. Airman
              Airman 7 November 2013 12: 30
              0
              Quote: ion
              Can you tell us how our Gazprom punishes us for money? My house is heated with gas and somehow I don’t feel that heating bills are hitting my budget a lot. The house, by the way, is in the Zamkadye, in the Vladimir region.

              And how much does it cost you 1 cube. meter of gas? In Veliky Novgorod, 6,8 rubles per cubic meter.
    2. Bosk
      Bosk 2 November 2013 13: 03
      30
      You will probably laugh ... but "winds" In Latvia, it is more expensive to supply than the same electricity with buckets from America to carry.
      1. vadson
        vadson 2 November 2013 14: 22
        +1
        Don Quixote and Sancho Panso recalls :-)
      2. AVV
        AVV 2 November 2013 14: 58
        18
        Soon Old Man will rebuild his own nuclear power plant, in the alternative to the closed Estonian one and will be selling cheap electricity to the Baltic states, that’s the way out of the situation !!!
        1. smile
          smile 2 November 2013 17: 19
          19
          AVV
          A nuclear power plant is already under construction in the Kaliningrad region, so that we will be the first to build it. :)))
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 2 November 2013 17: 31
            +8
            Quote: smile
            AVV A nuclear power plant is already under construction in the Kaliningrad region, so that we will be the first to build it. :)))

            And here is the Social Competition, and before the Union - just a stone's throw good
            Both on "+"
        2. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 2 November 2013 17: 28
          +5
          Quote: AVV
          Soon Old Man will rebuild his own nuclear power plant, in the alternative to the closed Estonian one and will be selling cheap electricity to the Baltic states, that’s the way out of the situation !!!

          Old Man was never an altruist. Yes, and you will need to give a loan
          1. AVV
            AVV 4 November 2013 23: 56
            +2
            In order to repay the loan, the Old Man needs to sell something, and electricity for the Baltic states or the West, good goods, the Old Man has already signed a decree on construction, a nuclear power plant, and Russia will help in this Belarus! It doesn’t matter who is the first to sell electricity to the Baltic states, the main thing is that cooperation between Russia and Belarus is bearing fruit !!! And the Baltic, as it was, was deeply dependent on energy supplies, with independence it became the outskirts of the European Union, no matter how big the three were, Europe will not help them !!! Yes, and Ukraine is heading there, trying to find cheaper energy supplies and the Flag in their hands !!! Desirable multi-colored !!!
        3. Avenger711
          Avenger711 3 November 2013 03: 21
          +2
          Not cheaper than RF. Here we will agree with the Old Man.
        4. mountain
          mountain 4 November 2013 13: 17
          0
          And build on Russian?
        5. Airman
          Airman 7 November 2013 12: 32
          +2
          Quote: AVV
          Soon Old Man will rebuild his own nuclear power plant, in the alternative to the closed Estonian one and will be selling cheap electricity to the Baltic states, that’s the way out of the situation !!!

          Lithuanians at the request of the European Union closed their Ignalina nuclear power plant, now they themselves are not happy.
      3. largus886
        largus886 2 November 2013 15: 53
        16
        There is only one way left, back to the USSR! Well, or at least shove their filthy languages ​​deeper and it relates to the Russian-speaking population better then we'll see how much gas to sell.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 2 November 2013 16: 04
          +9
          Quote: largus886
          at least shove their filthy tongues deeper
          So this is the only remaining "national treasure" in working order. And there is nowhere to put it, everything has fallen apart ...
          1. timer
            timer 4 November 2013 19: 58
            +2
            Scream how you read your komenty! Cheered up.
        2. AVV
          AVV 4 November 2013 16: 49
          0
          Even the photo shows that these are three of the casket, what they wanted, they got it, and there is nothing to drive a blizzard on others, and blame the mirror if the faces themselves are crooked !!!
      4. sergaivenski
        sergaivenski 2 November 2013 23: 05
        17
        ALL SOMETHING SHOULD ON RUSSIA nip off, but somehow no one wants to recall that after the bloody GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR OF RUSSIA IN THE SAME LEVELS WITH BALTIC COUNTRIES were building materials for reconstruction of destroyed Riga, Tallinn, VILNYUSA.VO all this RUSSIA dire need ITSELF.
        1. sergaivenski
          sergaivenski 2 November 2013 23: 10
          +4
          THE BALTIC STATES NEED THAT ALL FROM RUSSIA DELIVERED TO HALYAU. BUT THERE IS NO PERMANENT CONSTITUTION. The USSR is no longer there. There are market relations. !
    3. Klibanophoros
      Klibanophoros 2 November 2013 19: 11
      +3
      The only problem is that they have hardly enough money for the mills, for half a liter for their triple "summit" ...
    4. timer
      timer 4 November 2013 19: 56
      0
      Yes, the decision on the gas of these dwarfs does not cause anything other than laughter. Let them heat their sprats. Ha ha ...
    5. Allegedly
      Allegedly 7 November 2013 04: 26
      +1
      If we hypothetically try to translate the surnames, we get "Repin's kaotin" - Berezin, Ilvsky and Gribova. Or rather, new gentlemen of good luck ...
    6. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 8 November 2013 00: 32
      0
      I will not speak about the topic of the article laughing
      I noticed a tendency - if the topic of the article contains the Baltic "state" - you can safely delete the torrent of your favorite comedy and immediately go to read the comments - the rupture of the guts is guaranteed! laughing laughing And if ALL the Baltic states are "involved" in the article, well, then a complete Achtung !!! laughing laughing laughing Grazhdaaaneee, pause, hiccups defeated from laughter !!! Most comments and article ++++++++ !!!
      Comedians Damn wink laughing
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 2 November 2013 08: 50
    16
    but the members of united Europe. and you are so intolerant, hehe wassat
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 2 November 2013 10: 52
      47
      What are you so about them, what kind of "members" are they? They are exactly the holes ...
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 2 November 2013 10: 54
        +6
        Quote: Krasnodar
        They are right in the hole ...

        circles of my dick?
        1. dimon-media
          dimon-media 2 November 2013 11: 30
          46
          laughing It was funny to God to read the article. The mood has risen laughing
          It looks like, for example, I want to sell my cow to my neighbor. He will say - it's expensive! And he will run to complain to the antimonopoly organization. But by and large, I may not sell this very cow at all, even if the "neighbor" is dying of hunger. Right? laughing Is he going to run to The Hague to file a lawsuit about the violation of human rights and the danger of starvation in danger? laughing
          Her, it’s time to cut the pipe and weld a steel cap with the image of such an smile from the end of the pipe tongue
    2. edge
      edge 2 November 2013 11: 40
      +1
      Quote: andrei332809
      and you are so intolerant, hehe

      well, since they have taught themselves ..........
    3. AVV
      AVV 2 November 2013 14: 48
      +1
      What members do we already understand, just the point of these members, if they are impotent ???
    4. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 2 November 2013 17: 30
      +8
      All three countries have different gas prices. And then "divide and rule". Whoever licks more, then sell gas cheaper yes
  3. Sayapo
    Sayapo 2 November 2013 08: 58
    24
    And nefig was to get rid of the USSR)))
    Bylab Powerful Power)
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 10: 52
      16
      Quote: Sayapo
      And nefig was to get rid of the USSR)))
      Bylab Powerful Power)

      So too invaders laughing
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      2. Lyapis
        Lyapis 2 November 2013 11: 10
        35
        The poor Balts, it seems, no longer live under occupation, but all the same, the vile Russians manage to spoil them anyway. wassat
        1. haron
          haron 8 November 2013 19: 40
          -2
          Please do not confuse Russian and Soviet.
      3. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 2 November 2013 13: 48
        +9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        So too invaders

        ... And the tears are welling themselves ... crying
    2. sergaivenski
      sergaivenski 2 November 2013 23: 16
      +5
      LOUDER THAN EVERYBODY IN ORDER IN 1991 ABOUT ITS INDEPENDENCE !!! ONE LEVEL BECAME.
      WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE, GOT !!! And IF NOW RUSSIA WILL BLOCK THEIR BORDERS FROM THE BALTIC, THEY WILL NOT TRADE THERE HERE. AND WITHOUT THEIR SPRING RUSSIA WILL BE PERFECT !!!
    3. AVV
      AVV 4 November 2013 15: 19
      +1
      And Yanukovych, what he forgot in the European Union, he thinks they are waiting there with a hug, he first of all thinks about his power, and about his accounts in Western banks, And rulers of this rank think about people in the last turn !!!
  4. Arkan
    Arkan 2 November 2013 09: 22
    20
    Winter is coming, the Baltic states have begun to move ... We need to move more actively with organisms, maybe you will not freeze ....
    1. datur
      datur 2 November 2013 11: 12
      +6
      [quote = Arkan] Winter is coming, the Balts have begun to stir ... You need to move organisms more actively, maybe you won't freeze ....--- what are you, 'these are the Balts wink , but you yourself know --- yes, far to tallliiiinaaaaa !!!!!! laughing wassat
      1. rolik
        rolik 2 November 2013 20: 10
        +3
        Quote: datur
        , but you yourself know --- yes, far to tallliiiinaaaaa !!!!!!

        And then they were offered pedals on simulators with screwed generators to twist)))))) Imagine how much they wind up, one wheel revolution per hour)))
  5. Simon
    Simon 2 November 2013 09: 42
    +2
    ABOUT! At the resale of gas residues, they wanted to cook. Do they have any more ingenuity? Buy Sell. laughing
  6. bubla5
    bubla5 2 November 2013 09: 46
    16
    Let the Finns buy firewood, * brothers * all the same
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 3 November 2013 12: 45
      +1
      Only Finns' misfortune is not chopping wood at home, but in Karelia.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 3 November 2013 13: 29
        +2
        ? You are wrong. At home they are still chopping.
  7. T-130
    T-130 2 November 2013 10: 03
    13
    For what they fought .... they got it!
  8. Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 2 November 2013 10: 06
    +4
    Interesting! The population of the Baltic states is also so smiling ?!
    1. smile
      smile 2 November 2013 13: 39
      14
      Vlad_Mir
      And what about the population? The population is migrant workers, like Tajiks, scolds their governments, which they consider a bunch of idiots and thieves, but they know for sure that the Russians are to blame for everything ... :))) And what can be said about their population if the best-selling book in Estonia is a book "Turd and Spring" ... :))) Children's book, tells about the love of turd for something there, I don't remember what ... but this is the sales leader in the country ... :)))
      1. Koenig39
        Koenig39 2 November 2013 18: 53
        +2
        laughing poop lovers however
    2. AVV
      AVV 2 November 2013 14: 54
      +5
      Only three are smiling, the rest of the people, only pennies count !!!
      1. angarchanin
        angarchanin 2 November 2013 18: 42
        +1
        The people are worthy of their rulers. Rather it will be like this: what kind of people are such and the government.
  9. avt
    avt 2 November 2013 10: 07
    +7
    Quote: bubla5
    Let the Finns buy firewood, * brothers * all the same

    Yeah, the firewood will be from Karelia, again re-export. 450 $ cubelaughing
    1. vadson
      vadson 2 November 2013 14: 26
      +3
      tin. .. we have firewood 600-700 wooden blocks :-)
      1. Dimy4
        Dimy4 3 November 2013 10: 37
        0
        Last year, the "chip" (Ural) 7 thousand came out as a length gauge.
        1. vadson
          vadson 3 November 2013 11: 10
          0
          we have in my 9, only how to understand the length meter? we have 6 meters forest chips. timber trucks that carry timber in the whips without manipulators, is no longer a chip - fiscars
  10. avt
    avt 2 November 2013 10: 07
    +2
    Quote: bubla5
    Let the Finns buy firewood, * brothers * all the same

    Yeah, the firewood will be from Karelia, again re-export. 450 $ cubelaughing
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 November 2013 10: 54
      +8
      Quote: avt
      Yeah, the firewood will be from Karelia

      Let their abandoned houses in the villages let firewood
    2. Bosk
      Bosk 2 November 2013 13: 28
      +8
      Fear God. In the summer, every cube of thirty euros of Tugriks cost me already ...
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 2 November 2013 13: 50
        10
        Quote: Bosk
        Fear God. In the summer, every cube of thirty euros of Tugriks cost me already ...

        Yoshkin cat!
        They are made from compressed bills? wassat
        1. AVV
          AVV 2 November 2013 15: 03
          +2
          Yes, this is a new energy policy of the states, for heating, dollars are sold to the Baltic states, but they can print as many as they want !!!
      2. andrei332809
        andrei332809 2 November 2013 14: 48
        +6
        Quote: Bosk
        , In the summer, already every cube of thirty euros of Tugriks cost me ..
      3. fennekRUS
        fennekRUS 2 November 2013 17: 01
        0
        hard on you ...
      4. chief.matros
        chief.matros 3 November 2013 21: 21
        +1
        but it’s probably nice to sit by the fireplace and talk about independence from Russia, huh?
  11. pensioner
    pensioner 2 November 2013 10: 09
    +6
    Energy impotence of the Baltic

    Judging by the look of a handsome man in the photo, well, the one in the middle is not only energetic ....
  12. pensioner
    pensioner 2 November 2013 10: 16
    +6
    Lithuania is planning to build a LNG reception terminal in the port of Klaipeda next year in record time.
    Ukraine will help. They have a lot of experience in this business.
  13. pensioner
    pensioner 2 November 2013 10: 19
    17
    Thanks Alexey! They Ignalina NPP will hiccup for a long time ... Barbarians.
    1. smile
      smile 2 November 2013 13: 44
      15
      pensioner
      But now they are amazed at the fact that they are building nuclear power plants in the Kaliningrad Region and periodically gathering and dreaming, but we’ll take and build our own nuclear power plant ... I’d just give some money ... strange, but for some reason no one is in a hurry to skip, wishing to give the Baltic states a few billion ... to know their fate forever, now with outstretched hands, then on all fours, that's their independent independence ... :)))
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 2 November 2013 14: 01
        10
        Quote: smile
        Here is their independent independence ...:

        Yes ... Maybe they’ll throw some dung for them? Someone will soon have a gas paradise. Accordingly, the strategic reserves of the dung will turn out to be useless. Moreover, they will also become Europeans. How can brothers not help?
        1. smile
          smile 2 November 2013 15: 12
          +4
          pensioner
          And what an interesting idea, they will build a dairy pipe and become a great energy power :))) By the way, a dung, like oil, can be used not only as a fuel- my grandfather rode down ditches from the hill, because there was no sled ... :)) )
    2. AVV
      AVV 2 November 2013 22: 44
      +2
      Europe specifically forced to close the nuclear power plant, so that Estonians were more accommodating in all matters, and Ukraine needed to adopt the experience of the Baltic states and see what would happen to their energy under the leadership of the European Commissioners !!!
  14. Migari
    Migari 2 November 2013 10: 21
    13
    A storm of three mongrels in one glass.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 2 November 2013 10: 59
      19
      You need to call a spade a spade, I would call this a meeting of the heads of the Baltic regions before the heating season. smile
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 2 November 2013 16: 26
        +2
        Quote: Igor39
        You need to call a spade a spade, I would call this a meeting of the heads of the Baltic regions before the heating season

        The meeting of the Commission for the preparation for the winter ...
      2. sergaivenski
        sergaivenski 2 November 2013 23: 26
        +2
        SOON UKRAINE WILL ALSO BECOME A PART OF EUROPE. LET EXCHANGE LIPS FOR THEIR SPRINGS AND LEARN THEM HOW TO MAKE A GAS PIPE FROM SWEDEN. BE MAY AND FRIENDS WITH UKRAINE WILL BE,
        EXCHANGE EXPERIENCE HOW TO STEAL GAS FROM RUSSIA !!!
  15. gsg955
    gsg955 2 November 2013 10: 21
    13
    Lithuanians are the most ungrateful and rightly so.
    1. mountain
      mountain 2 November 2013 11: 17
      15
      I completely agree with you. In the nineties, they took first place in the export of metal exported from Russia. Today is not a ride. And we are learning, which is very happy.))))
      1. Bosk
        Bosk 2 November 2013 13: 24
        +9
        And in some 90th year, Estonia took the first place in the region in exporting small arms of Russian production without importing it from Russia ... well, how do you like this? It seems to me that it could not do without Honduras.
  16. kotvov
    kotvov 2 November 2013 10: 21
    +7
    I have an idea I voiced: but let them buy in Ukraine, they seem to be going to compete with America about shale gas in the near future.
  17. pensioner
    pensioner 2 November 2013 10: 24
    +4
    Thanks Alexey! They Ignalina NPP will hiccup for a long time ... Barbarians.
    Quote: Alikovo
    Let them put windmills! Three "states"

    Quote: Alikovo
    You can put water mills.
    stop Only tidal hydropower! True, the best in the USSR were created ... And in Russia, not so long ago, a new one was built somewhere. Let them turn. We will sell. Fair price repeatrepeat
  18. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 2 November 2013 10: 31
    +9
    The bustle of primary school children trying to seem smarter and older. But in vain.
    It is strange that they did not furnish the entire coast with wind turbines, did not announce "with pomp" about the beginning of exploration and the imminent production of shale gas ... crying
    1. AVV
      AVV 2 November 2013 15: 17
      12
      In the USSR, the Balts were in the first place in terms of living standards, everyone in the union wanted to visit these places as abroad, and now they are in the backyard of the European Union, but with Baltic independence and an empty barn!
    2. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 2 November 2013 19: 34
      0
      There are no tides in the Baltic
  19. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 2 November 2013 10: 32
    18
    This is how it really looks.
    Firstly, the presidents in Estonia and Latvia (I do not know about Lithuania, were not interested, somehow do not care) are operetta characters who do not have any rights to make any decisions, or even influence on them. These clowns, just carry representative functions, just like, for example, the president of Germany. Everything is decided by the prime ministers and cabinet min (s). This is not the United States, or Russia.
    Secondly, within the framework of the EU, the issue of building an LNG terminal in the north-eastern Baltic region is being decided and Finland, Estonia and, something Latvia, are participating in the tender. Lithuania wasn’t standing there, which, for example, destroyed its nuclear power station for joining the EU.fool Most likely the LNG terminal will be built in Finland.
    Thirdly, the Baltic republics have never been "sisters". Competition, you know, the market ... Quietly do not digest each other, counting, each of them, themselves.
    So the meeting of clowns does not matter to us and did not cause any resonance.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 2 November 2013 11: 12
      +6
      Quote: Peaceful military
      So the meeting of the clowns,

      How much do tickets to the circus?
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 2 November 2013 11: 14
        +7
        Quote: andrei332809
        Quote: Peaceful military
        So the meeting of the clowns,

        How much do tickets to the circus?

        Oh, it's not cheap for us.
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 2 November 2013 11: 15
          +4
          Quote: Peaceful military
          Oh, it's not cheap for us.

          for a gas spray they’ll let me see, laugh?
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 2 November 2013 11: 21
            14
            Quote: andrei332809
            Quote: Peaceful military
            Oh, it's not cheap for us.

            for a gas spray they’ll let me see, laugh?

            They shout that they do not need transit from Russia ... proud. At the time of separation, they shouted that for the sake of freedom they were ready to eat potato peelings ... So they won’t let it go. smile
            1. andrei332809
              andrei332809 2 November 2013 11: 33
              10
              Quote: Peaceful military
              At the time of the separation, they shouted that for the sake of freedom they were ready to eat potato peelings

              to do business or what? I throw away the cleaning, but it turns out that you can export. I don’t know, are there competitors in Europe?
              1. Peaceful military
                Peaceful military 2 November 2013 11: 36
                +7
                Quote: andrei332809
                Quote: Peaceful military
                At the time of the separation, they shouted that for the sake of freedom they were ready to eat potato peelings

                to do business or what? I throw away the cleaning, but it turns out that you can export. I don’t know, are there competitors in Europe?

                If only from the territory and on behalf of a decent EU country, then even dumping will not help. I say proud. Only master cleaning. smile
                1. andrei332809
                  andrei332809 2 November 2013 11: 40
                  +6
                  Quote: Peaceful military
                  Only master cleaning.

                  i.e. chips? request
                  1. Peaceful military
                    Peaceful military 2 November 2013 12: 06
                    +4
                    Quote: andrei332809
                    Quote: Peaceful military
                    Only master cleaning.

                    i.e. chips? request

                    laughing good
            2. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 2 November 2013 13: 52
              +9
              Quote: Peaceful military
              During the separation, they shouted that for the sake of freedom they were ready to eat potato peelings ..

              ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY ...
              Not long left .. laughing
    2. 31231
      31231 2 November 2013 14: 33
      +2
      Most likely the LNG terminal will be built in Finland.


      Why did she need her? We have a pipe to the finals. And they are as if pleased with this. Or will they from this LNG gobble up our gas further down the European continent?
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 2 November 2013 15: 08
        +2
        Quote: 31231
        Most likely the LNG terminal will be built in Finland.


        Why did she need her? We have a pipe to the finals. And they are as if pleased with this. Or will they from this LNG gobble up our gas further down the European continent?

        Surely!
  20. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 2 November 2013 10: 46
    +3
    from the Don.
    It is possible to develop the energy system of the Baltic states by using peat! And also, as the GDP said: -In Siberia there is a lot of firewood :!
    1. vadson
      vadson 2 November 2013 14: 33
      +8
      do not touch our firewood angry they’ll freeze, they’ll be smarter though ...
      1. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 2 November 2013 19: 43
        +4
        Yes! firewood of Siberia - only to Siberians! wink
  21. Stasi
    Stasi 2 November 2013 10: 55
    +6
    At one time, the Balts, as the so-called energy independence, wanted to stretch the electric cable from Sweden along the bottom of the Baltic Sea and pump electricity from there. True, the project as such remained unrealized, the Swedes requested a good amount for electricity.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 2 November 2013 15: 39
      +1
      Quote: Stasi
      At one time, the Balts, as the so-called energy independence, wanted to stretch the electric cable from Sweden along the bottom of the Baltic Sea and pump electricity from there. True, the project as such remained unrealized, the Swedes requested a good amount for electricity.

      And from Finland they extended ..., where the electric power is cheaper than ours.
  22. dimon-media
    dimon-media 2 November 2013 11: 05
    +8
    Why aren’t they developing shale ?! request
    laughing (I would like to see it) laughing
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 2 November 2013 15: 44
      +5
      Quote: dimon-media
      Why aren’t they developing shale ?! request
      laughing (I would like to see it) laughing

      Slate went perfectly during the times of the USSR (ESSR) and 2 of our largest power plants worked on it, now its production and processing has been practically destroyed, there were unique technologies, by the way.
  23. mountain
    mountain 2 November 2013 11: 11
    +7
    These Baltic sisters are funny and eat fish and go fishing on our gas. It was not there. I suggest not taking the sisters back. Very much for free, prone.
    1. sergaivenski
      sergaivenski 3 November 2013 03: 39
      +8
      I, a Russian guy from the Urals, share YOUR point of view. I had a chance to serve in the Baltic States and I know not by hearsay what Baltic nationalism is. Our commanders did not even let us, ordinary soldiers, be fired. True, they made exceptions for those who to whom the relatives came. Once they brought us, soldiers, by car to the kindergarten. We had to clear the area around the kindergarten from ice. Half a day we worked hard. Passers-by looked askance and spat. I could not bear it and went to one type. I asked: " What do you have against us, Russian soldiers? "He replied:" It would be better if we stayed under the Germans. "Wow, applications !!! It turns out that the advancing Red Army in 1944 had to leave a huge group of fascists in its rear and move on to Berlin . Wouldn't it be bold ???
      And then the Baltic republics would lick the backside of the unfinished fascists !!!
      1. lightman
        lightman 3 November 2013 04: 36
        +5
        As I heard this year will be the worst winter in Europe in the last 100 years.
        Whether this forecast is true or not, we will soon find out. But if so, then soon everything will come around there.
        Although not everyone there is badly opposed to the Russians. Part of the population is adequate, and they have long realized how sideways it all crawled out to them.
        After all, we also have such a contingent in Ukraine, to put it mildly ... but this does not mean that all Ukrainians are like that.
      2. mountain
        mountain 3 November 2013 21: 30
        +2
        I did not serve, but I was in Lithuania under the USSR and already in modern times. In Soviet times, they wanted to throw me on a flea market, I bought a T-shirt, I open the bag, and her sleeves are cut off. I caught the fellows and requisitioned a Japanese watch. Nowadays, in a restaurant, a conflict with the Nazis occurred. But not so long ago, one good-natured Latvian, the lemon took money from me and disappeared. Juozas. Juozovich. Ashmyana. You see, let the O-Cliff drift, otherwise I'm offended.))))
  24. pva1964
    pva1964 2 November 2013 11: 15
    +2
    we ourselves need Siberian firewood, but it wouldn’t hurt to add a little mind to these citizens in their heads bully
  25. datur
    datur 2 November 2013 11: 16
    11
    and let them heat their sprats !!!!! wassat wink
    1. Bosk
      Bosk 2 November 2013 13: 18
      32
      Don't laugh at the current ... but yesterday I looked closely at the sprats that are sold there ... four varieties of Latvian and two varieties of Russian ... I saw ... and a familiar Latvian was standing nearby, well, I drew his attention to this nan life and do you know how he commented on it ?, he said "you Russian bastards ... raised your hand to the holy"
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 2 November 2013 13: 44
        +8
        Quote: Bosk
        "you Russian bastards ... raised your hand to the holy"

        good laughing hi
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 2 November 2013 13: 54
        10
        Quote: Bosk
        he commented on it ?, he said "you Russian bastards ... raised your hand to the holy"

        Balm ... for the soul ..
        I don’t even know - to grieve or laugh ... recourse
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 4 November 2013 13: 38
          +5
          Speaking of sprats and other fish bonfils rolled up in tin.
          The store has the cheapest sprats of their production. But! When you take a Riga jar and shake it, the presence of: a) an air cavity, b) a large amount of liquid is clearly audible and tangible.
          The same Kaliningrad sprats no matter how shaking, leave a feeling of monolith.
          An autopsy of both those and those confirms speculative CONCLUSIONS:
          1. Kaliningraders fill the bank to the eyeballs. Places on a bubble and a large amount of liquid are few. That is, for the stated price you buy sprats, and not water-oil-air.
          2. The Balts, on the contrary, do not report fish proper. To the declared net add oil-broth mixture. And it turns out that you buy a jar in which only 2/3 of the sprats themselves.

          Similarly with other canned fish from the Baltic states.
      3. vadson
        vadson 2 November 2013 14: 35
        +6
        Quote: Bosk
        Don't laugh at the current ... but yesterday I looked closely at the sprats that are sold there ... four varieties of Latvian and two varieties of Russian ... I saw ... and a familiar Latvian was standing nearby, well, I drew his attention to this nan life and do you know how he commented on it ?, he said "you Russian bastards ... raised your hand to the holy"

        wto however
        1. not good
          not good 2 November 2013 14: 54
          23
          The occupation of the Baltic market by sprats of Russian production threatens with a loss of self-identification of the peoples of these countries laughing
          1. sergaivenski
            sergaivenski 3 November 2013 03: 48
            +2
            I had a chance to eat sprats made both in Latvia and in the Pskov region. Almost no different. Latvian sprats are much more expensive than Pskov sprats. And the price is correspondingly higher. I am doing this now: I buy sprats made in Pskov
            region, but only before the New Year. To put on the New Year's table. To Latvian
            I do not touch. Manufacturers will interrupt !!!
      4. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 2 November 2013 15: 33
        +7
        Quote: Bosk
        Don't laugh at the current ... but yesterday I looked closely at the sprats that are sold there ... four varieties of Latvian and two varieties of Russian ... I saw ... and a familiar Latvian was standing nearby, well, I drew his attention to this nan life and do you know how he commented on it ?, he said "you Russian bastards ... raised your hand to the holy"

        laughing good
        We have not seen Russian sprats, but there are Latvian sprats, but ours are better wassat
        I remember about 10 years ago there was a diplomatic quarrel between Latvia and Estonia for catching herring near the Moonzud ​​archipelago, which the scribblers dubbed the "greasy war".
        I don’t know how in Latvia, but fishing is practically destroyed here ...foolangry
        All imported fish! And I remember, in the store of the fishing collective farm named after Kirov, sprats were sold by weight, 90 kopecks. for 1 kg. And what a chic restaurant this collective farm kept in the center of Tallinn.
        1. Bosk
          Bosk 2 November 2013 16: 14
          +3
          At the time of the Union of Rememberers, the same hake cost a penny ... and now at the time of non-occurrence, I buy it at the store at the cost of carbonate, it is somewhere ... from seven Euro tanks ... and this is forty kilometers from the sea ... all with the first ice I buy floats, other containers and on ice!
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 2 November 2013 16: 22
            +2
            Quote: Bosk
            At the time of the Union of Rememberers, the same hake cost a penny ... and now at the time of non-occurrence, I buy it at the store at the cost of carbonate, it is somewhere ... from seven Euro tanks ... and this is forty kilometers from the sea ... all with the first ice I buy floats, other containers and on ice!

            We have a lot of guys / girls (yes, yes, and girls) from Latvia fishing in Chudsky, in Kallast, for example.
            Have a good fishing! soldier smile
  26. major071
    major071 2 November 2013 11: 23
    +9
    You can’t talk about Russia as the “main threat” to the existence of a “democratic” Baltic - that’s it! - consider that the meeting was in vain ...

    Well, they talked, they came up with something impracticable there, and this makes us neither hot nor cold. But someone will soon become cold. As they bought gas, they will buy it.
  27. ZU-23
    ZU-23 2 November 2013 11: 33
    +3
    Another disgrace, gas can not earn.
  28. ZU-23
    ZU-23 2 November 2013 11: 36
    +3
    This is what we want to be like Europeans, so that everything is on the ball, make money first, our people are paying for gas like yours.
  29. Bosk
    Bosk 2 November 2013 13: 10
    +9
    Since the New Year, we will switch to Euro rubles ... one euro ruble-loaf, three-pack of cigarettes, ten - "Shaitan water" ... and where to put your incomplete higher education ... what to count in decimal fractions ... well, if the salary ...
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 2 November 2013 13: 21
      +4
      So then you understand, the Balts have long gone to Europe, looked at Russia without Putin and left, but Ukraine has lost its brain, to go there at such an inopportune moment that for them what for us, this is complete stupidity.
    2. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 2 November 2013 15: 50
      +6
      Quote: Bosk
      Since the New Year, we will switch to Euro rubles ... one euro ruble-loaf, three-pack of cigarettes, ten - "Shaitan water" ... and where to put your incomplete higher education ... what to count in decimal fractions ... well, if the salary ...

      Yes guys, I sympathize, we have been in this "joy" for the third year already, as we have been, we cannot wake up in any way. And as the titular fascists did not squeal from the authorities that nothing would rise in price, everything went up in price literally from the day of the transition to the Euro.
  30. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 2 November 2013 14: 26
    +6
    Where will they go? They will croak, croak, but they will still buy at the price that was appointed from Russia. I wonder how Estonia and Latvia, "loving to Russia", got a discount? How did they earn it? Allied countries should receive preferential terms. And these are not drawn to the allies!
  31. Stinger
    Stinger 2 November 2013 14: 28
    12
    Some strange pattern. The more Russophobia the Balts have, and not only them, the more demands on Russia to love and fulfill their whims. But don’t spit in the well. Forgot?
    1. Migari
      Migari 2 November 2013 20: 20
      +3
      There is such a breed of dogs, a mongrel, it barks harder when the owner is standing behind, you look and the bone will be changed, now in Europe there are so many mongrels.
  32. 31231
    31231 2 November 2013 14: 29
    +3
    Quote: retired
    Lithuania is planning to build a LNG reception terminal in the port of Klaipeda next year in record time.
    Ukraine will help. They have a lot of experience in this business.




    And the Jews have a huge hazu on the shelf. Why are they small and proud as if they are not encouraged by the countries ?! Schaub, these little brains bit their elbows. wink
  33. zinander
    zinander 2 November 2013 14: 29
    +4
    Quote: Bosk
    Don't laugh at the current ... but yesterday I looked closely at the sprats that are sold there ... four varieties of Latvian and two varieties of Russian ... I saw ... and a familiar Latvian was standing nearby, well, I drew his attention to this nan life and do you know how he commented on it?, he said "you Russian bastards ... raised your hand to the holy"
    lol laughing I haven’t laughed like that for a long time !!!
  34. aud13
    aud13 2 November 2013 15: 07
    10
    Here are some shitty balts - I thought when I read the article.
    On the one hand, they try to do dirty tricks almost every day, but on the other hand give them quick gas and cheaper.
    I thought a little and I want to make him an offer that is impossible to refuse.
    If you have so much shit that you don’t know where to put it, then make biogas from it.
    There are many links on the Internet about this.
    You look, if you reduce your excesses, then your relations with Russia will improve.
  35. from punk
    from punk 2 November 2013 15: 31
    +3
    Baltic troika? Is this some kind of joke?
    1. Zhaman-Urus
      Zhaman-Urus 2 November 2013 18: 46
      0
      No, only the Estonian affiliate succeeds a little bit)))
  36. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 2 November 2013 15: 45
    +4
    Quote: punk
    You look, if you reduce your excesses, then your relations with Russia will improve.

    Yes, the Balts - the people are economic. This should help them.
    Anecdote on the topic:
    Driving through the forest in a cart, an Estonian farmer noticed a dried up “cow cake” lying on the road. After a little thought, he returned. He wrapped the “cow’s cake” in a rag and put it in the cart, saying: “Prigaditzsta.”
    A year later, he goes again along the same road, stops at the same place. He spreads a “blood cake” out of the rag, saying: “I haven’t gotten it.”

    ... but it might come in handy.
  37. Koronik
    Koronik 2 November 2013 15: 48
    +5
    Our former "friends" from the Baltics would not freeze. How much blood can Russia drink, it would be time to calm down and live in pleasure with the EU. No, they invent all the dirty tricks, is it really easier for them? They were going to block the road to Kaliningrad and then asked to reduce the gas price. No one needs you gentlemen from the Baltics, and Russia too.
    1. sergaivenski
      sergaivenski 3 November 2013 04: 05
      +1
      I agree with YOU. The EU BALTIC was needed to market its (!) Products.
      Nobody expects Baltic products on the European markets !!! And also the NATO leadership
      led by the US consider the Baltic States as a launching pad for American missiles. RUSSIA also has something to answer !!! Drivers of countries do not want to
      The Baltic states simply calm down, all some mischief for RUSSIA is out of hand !!! Gas for free (!) Can and should be supplied only to allies !!! Or to those who do not do nasty things, do not hurt RUSSIA !!! And these "figures" are suffering from heartburn will be interrupted !!!
  38. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 2 November 2013 15: 55
    +6
    They demand discounts on gas, and at the same time declare hundreds of thousands of Russian-speaking citizens of their countries "non-citizens". With this attitude towards people, do not expect discounts ...
  39. Luga
    Luga 2 November 2013 15: 59
    11
    I am not an evil person, but the Balts are enraging me. Maybe because it's nearby, maybe because my grandfather died in Estonia in forty-fourth, I don’t know. But if they asked me, I would vote for the most severe and economic and political pressure on these non-state pseudo-formations. Including the refusal of gas supplies and a complete trade blockade, demanding that the borders of 1940 be restored. And right now. And when the unrest begins there - send troops as to Ossetia. And crush the Nazis with tanks.
    These creatures cannot live without a master. And if so, then this owner should be us.
    1. dimon-media
      dimon-media 2 November 2013 16: 25
      +1
      Bravo, Michael! Because they can not be called political prostitutes.
      Z.Y. about WWII. When our guys shed blood and beat fascist reptiles, the Baltic republics met German troops at home with bouquets of flowers.
      1. Bogranz
        Bogranz 2 November 2013 16: 28
        0
        Border? Where did you serve?
        1. dimon-media
          dimon-media 2 November 2013 16: 30
          0
          KZakPO Artashat PogO, military unit 2392, 10 PogZ. Where did you serve, brother?
        2. dimon-media
          dimon-media 2 November 2013 16: 33
          0
          In general, I served on the Armenian-Turkish border. 1998-2000
  40. Bogranz
    Bogranz 2 November 2013 16: 22
    +1
    Winter is a time of year that cools hot heads very well and reduces ambition.
  41. Cherdak
    Cherdak 2 November 2013 16: 33
    +4
    Quote: Peaceful military
    We have a pipe to the finals. And they are as if pleased with this. Or will they from this LNG gobble up our gas further down the European continent?


    1. In Finland, coal consumption has increased by 47% this year. Obviously this is ju-ju no good

    2. But in general, what for the Baltic states gas? We are not some Nazis! Themselves will dissolve in Europe ..

    3. However, Mr. Alexey Volodin must publish in "However"! Biting comrade,
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 2 November 2013 18: 30
      0
      [quote = Cherdak] [quote = Peaceful military] Our pipe is going to the finals. And they are kind of happy with it. Or will they use this LNG to supply our gas further along the European continent? [/ Quote]
      Sorry! This is not a quote from me, but a piece of appeal to me ...
      But in essence, what you said grinned. hi
  42. Cherdak
    Cherdak 2 November 2013 16: 44
    +3
    Quote: x.andvlad
    Yes, the Baltic states - the people are economic


    Only this can explain that even they try to attach such a clown to the household
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 2 November 2013 18: 43
      +2
      Quote: Cherdak
      Quote: x.andvlad
      Yes, the Baltic states - the people are economic


      Only this can explain that even they try to attach such a clown to the household

      Here the strangeness came out (natural), because this individual, a native of Sweden and a staff member of the US CIA, did not have title citizenship, at the time of arrival (1992) in the former (hopefully future) Estland Province / Estonian SSR ... "Penguin" , so this (this individual) is called by us, a US citizen ...
  43. morpogr
    morpogr 2 November 2013 16: 47
    +3
    Balts are a bunch of small mongrels who are sitting on a leash of geyropa and the United States when they pull for this leash they together begin to fuck and the whole bunch just wants to keep the booth sometimes warm and the owners have trouble with this.
  44. sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 2 November 2013 16: 48
    +1
    Quote: aud13
    You look, if you reduce your excesses, then your relations with Russia will improve.

    We can help, we will export repeat
  45. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 2 November 2013 17: 11
    +3
    Poland under the USSR also speculated in Soviet oil on the world market. They bought at the price "for their own", and traded at the market price. That's where this idea comes from.
  46. Platov
    Platov 2 November 2013 17: 52
    +2
    If you want gas at Russian prices, recognize Russian as the state language and Russian as the state-forming nation, respectively. And maybe we will go to you as a foreign country.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 2 November 2013 18: 54
      +5
      Quote: PLATOV
      If you want gas at Russian prices, recognize Russian as the state language and Russian as the state-forming nation, respectively. And maybe we will go to you as a foreign country.

      This, in the current situation, is idealism.
      BUT!
      Ride, still ride ... The greatest profit is from tourists from Russia ... Which, personally, I only welcome and not only from an economic point of view.
      We were and should be one. And there were, not a few hundred years there, but a thousand years!
      The story tells us about the faithful and not inhibited ests in the ranks of Prince Oleg (in Tallinn there was even a monument to this), etc.
      1. Luga
        Luga 2 November 2013 19: 32
        +3
        Quote: Peaceful military
        The story tells us about the faithful and not inhibited ests in the ranks of Prince Oleg (in Tallinn there was even a monument to this), etc.

        Greetings, Andrew.
        And in the monument to the Russian prince Vyachka and the Estonian elder Meelis in Yuryev, the titular fascists have not yet been demolished? Given that it was commemorated by the joint struggle of the Russian and Estonian peoples against the German conquerors, they should have been demolished in the first place.
        1. Peaceful military
          Peaceful military 2 November 2013 19: 52
          0
          Quote: Luga
          Quote: Peaceful military
          The story tells us about the faithful and not inhibited ests in the ranks of Prince Oleg (in Tallinn there was even a monument to this), etc.

          Greetings, Andrew.
          And in the monument to the Russian prince Vyachka and the Estonian elder Meelis in Yuryev, the titular fascists have not yet been demolished? Given that it was commemorated by the joint struggle of the Russian and Estonian peoples against the German conquerors, they should have been demolished in the first place.

          It is worth ... http://renatar.livejournal.com/425643.html?thread=24803243
  47. Zhaman-Urus
    Zhaman-Urus 2 November 2013 18: 49
    +5
    One thing is interesting, these three Russophobes in what language did they communicate between themselves? I think my brother is in the great and powerful Russian language. This is the grimace of fate!
    1. Nu daaaa ...
      Nu daaaa ... 2 November 2013 19: 12
      +2
      In English. Why in Russian? All three have a good education and speak languages, Ilves graduated from Columbia and Pennsylvania University, Dalia Grybauskaite was the Commissioner of the European Commission for Budget and Financial Planning from 2004 to 2009, (purely English-speaking position), Andris Berzins worked as an adviser to the president of Skandinavisk Enskilda Bank- again as.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 2 November 2013 20: 11
        +4
        Quote: Nu daaaa ...
        In English. Why in Russian?

        Do you have to understand that you were there too?
        1. Nu daaaa ...
          Nu daaaa ... 3 November 2013 01: 17
          0
          Not. Just a piece of common sense. English is one of the main languages ​​of the world and the EU, 380 million speaks, Russian is the language ... 150 million. We are positioning ourselves in the EU, not in the CU.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 3 November 2013 13: 26
            +8
            Quote: Nu daaaa ...
            Just a piece of common sense

            Exactly a piece? wassat
            Quote: Nu daaaa ...
            We are positioning ourselves in the EU

            Your words, yes to God in ears ...
            This is not you positioning ... This is the EU positioning you from all angles ...
            Tomorrow, the EU will die (and you have a chance), what will remain of a small and proud Estonia except for its name and flag?
            1. Nu daaaa ...
              Nu daaaa ... 3 November 2013 13: 41
              0
              Tomorrow, the EU will die (and you have a chance), what will remain of a small and proud Estonia except for its name and flag


              Agriculture has become not just a skate and a fetish in Belarus, it has grown to the scale of a unique phenomenon, at the level of the eighth wonder of the world. This image was reinforced by the numerous woahs and oohs of guests from Russia over our fields, gardens and herds, as if Belarus was the last place they stayed. So I was a little disappointed - not the last. In the near future, Estonians are not threatened by the prospect of eating money.

              They not only provide themselves with basic products, but also export them to Russia, Latvia, Finland and Lithuania. In total, over the past year, Estonia exported agricultural products worth 1,163 billion euros (2,08 billion dollars). And Belarus - attention - by 5 billion dollars, that is, only 2,04 times more. Let me remind you that the territory of Estonia is about five times smaller than the territory of Belarus, and the population is 6,7 times. I apologize to those who still believed in Belarus as a great agricultural empire. I myself had to part with the illusions.


              http://rus.postimees.ee/1352076/jestonija-glazami-belorusskogo-zhurnalista-stran
              a-gde-ne-nado-otvechat-za-batku
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 3 November 2013 14: 46
                +5
                Quote: Nu daaaa ...
                In total, over the past year, Estonia exported agricultural products worth 1,163 billion euros (2,08 billion dollars). And Belarus - attention - by 5 billion dollars, that is, only 2,04 times more. Let me remind you that the territory of Estonia is about five times smaller than the territory of Belarus, and the population is 6,7 times

                Duc ... who argues
                It’s a pity that your bananas do not grow - they would be a classic banana republic.
                Small and proud ... laughing
                1. Nu daaaa ...
                  Nu daaaa ... 3 November 2013 14: 50
                  -2
                  However, Estonia managed to create a new one on the ruins of Soviet industry. Instead of factories named after someone, technology and industrial parks, companies and concerns have grown. Without the former gigantomania, but enough. Industry provides 30% of GDP.
                  1. Stasi
                    Stasi 3 November 2013 15: 05
                    +2
                    Only you forgot to add that all these techno and industrial parks, companies and concerns were created with money and grants from Germans and Swedes, money was allocated through their banks. So all this good does not belong to you, but to them. In fact, we can say that all Baltic property is in the hands of Westerners, at the expense of payment for all grants and loans that were not issued for beautiful eyes.
                  2. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 3 November 2013 18: 02
                    +8
                    Quote: Nu daaaa ...
                    However, Estonia managed to create a new one on the ruins of Soviet industry.

                    I did not see there, you, any industrial giant ... Or just a serious enterprise. Only ports work - they process Russian transit.
                    The ruins of the RAF factories. VEF, Riga car building seen.
                    Your EuroGospoda cannot even entrust a screwdriver assembly to you.
                    You guys, yourself, voluntarily returned to the title of "serving nation", as well as your friends-neighbors.
                  3. chief.matros
                    chief.matros 3 November 2013 21: 47
                    +2
                    I don’t know what your industry gives, but my acquaintances who “live” in Estonia practically do not appear there - everyone is working, some in the Scandinavian countries, some in Germany, some in England. And about your GDP at 30% ... well, just tales from 1001 and one night.
                  4. Hitrovan07
                    Hitrovan07 4 November 2013 21: 46
                    +2
                    And who then turned the enterprises of Soviet industry into ruins? The same Russia put her hand bully
    2. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 2 November 2013 21: 00
      +2
      Quote: Zhaman-Urus
      One thing is interesting, these three Russophobes in what language did they communicate between themselves? I think my brother is in the great and powerful Russian language. This is the grimace of fate!

      But no ... Through an interpreter (it is not clear into which languages), because, unlike the Latvian and Lithuanian pre-s (former functionaries of the CPSU), our "penguin" is completely foreign and Russian (in his words, the language of the occupiers) does not own at all and does not want to own.
  48. 1536
    1536 2 November 2013 19: 06
    +4
    Such "states" are dangerous, because, due to their economic instability and the anger of the population, they can become a springboard for an attack by any aggressively-minded country or bloc of countries on Russia. Therefore, I believe that in the Security Council it is necessary to raise the issue of introducing direct UN control in the territories of these countries, withdrawing them from all blocs, both military and political. It is also necessary to carry out complete demilitarization there - a ban on any army, a restriction on foreign policy and putting under police control and conducting domestic policy. Only in this case it will be possible to talk about gas supplies, construction of a nuclear power plant, etc. things. Just imagine, gentlemen from the Kaliningrad region, on the border of the Russian Federation there is a state with a nuclear power plant, with an unpredictable foreign policy, ready to provide its territory to the aggressor, and even constantly demanding money from Russia, like a beggar or a bandit on the street. Who might like it?
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 2 November 2013 19: 50
      +6
      Quote: 1536
      It is also necessary to conduct a complete demilitarization there.

      as!? take away the only tank !? or an inflatable boat !? can't be so envious No.
      1. 1536
        1536 3 November 2013 12: 26
        0
        Dear, here is the composition of the ground forces of Lithuania for the 2011 year (and I see nothing funny here):
        As of 2011 year, the military budget of Lithuania amounted to 360 million US dollars, the total number of armed forces was 10,64 thousand people. personnel troops, 6700 reservists, and 14,6 thousand more served as part of other paramilitary groups.
        Ground forces numbered 8,2 thousand troops (one brigade of quick reaction forces, two motorized infantry battalions, two mechanized battalions, one engineering battalion, one battalion of military police, one training regiment and several territorial defense units), were armed with 187 M113XN armored personnel carriers; 1 BRDM-10; 2 133-mm field artillery guns; 105 61-mm mortar, up to 120 recoilless 100-mm Carl Gustaf guns, 84 ATGMs, 65 anti-aircraft guns and 18 man-portable air defense systems RBS-20, as well as over 70 anti-tank grenade launchers of various types.
        There are also the Air Force and Navy. Only a provocateur can discount such armed forces, moreover, located in the immediate vicinity of Russian territory.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 3 November 2013 12: 32
          +2
          Quote: 1536
          Dear, here is the composition of the ground forces of Lithuania for the 2011 year (and I see nothing funny here):

          You just missed the funny. The name of the only team "Iron Wolf" and her battalions:
          King Mindaugas Mechanized Infantry Battalion
          Mechanized Infantry Battalion named after the Grand Duke of Lithuania Algirdas
          Grand Duchess Birute Motorized Infantry Battalion
          Motorized Infantry Battalion named after Grand Duke of Lithuania Kestutis
          Artillery Battalion named after General Romualdas Gedraitis
          And the funniest thing
          Logistics support battalion of direct support named after Prince Vaidotas
          1. atalef
            atalef 3 November 2013 13: 11
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: 1536
            Dear, here is the composition of the ground forces of Lithuania for the 2011 year (and I see nothing funny here):

            You just missed the funny. The name of the only team "Iron Wolf" and her battalions:
            King Mindaugas Mechanized Infantry Battalion
            Mechanized Infantry Battalion named after the Grand Duke of Lithuania Algirdas
            Grand Duchess Birute Motorized Infantry Battalion
            Motorized Infantry Battalion named after Grand Duke of Lithuania Kestutis
            Artillery Battalion named after General Romualdas Gedraitis
            And the funniest thing
            Logistics support battalion of direct support named after Prince Vaidotas

            and the General Staff named after King Labus?
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 3 November 2013 13: 28
              +6
              Quote: atalef
              and the General Staff named after King Labus?

              But this is the worst military secret!
    2. sergaivenski
      sergaivenski 3 November 2013 04: 15
      +2
      GETS LIKE WITH DPRK: OR WATER-FEED US, NORTH KOREANS, OR WE WILL MUCH ALL YOU.
      THE PROBLEM ONLY IN THE ABSENCE OF A HUGE ARMY. MEANS HOPE FOR OVERLOAD GUNS.
      ONLY THE NATO BLOC IS SIMPLY SO IN THE FIGHT ALSO NOT TO GO WITH HAND !!!
  49. zub46
    zub46 2 November 2013 19: 09
    +7
    At one time, the USSR built a nuclear power plant on the territory of fraternal Lithuania, called Ignalina. After leaving the Union, Lithuania, in addition to meeting its own needs, for some time sold cheap energy to Latvia, Belarus, Kaliningrad region, Poland. This did not please the European Union, of which Lithuania was energetically asking for membership. In the European Union, France is the "chief" in nuclear energy and not only. At the suggestion of the latter, under the pretext of "environmental threats", although it was about the cleanest economy, the Lithuanians were forced to stop and close their own nuclear power plant. As a result: several thousand nuclear scientists in the city of Ignalina lost their jobs, Lithuania was left without cheap electricity and profit from its trade and was forced to buy electricity in Europe. Not on the topic, but something similar in terms of metallurgy and mechanical engineering can happen in Ukraine.
  50. ochakow703
    ochakow703 2 November 2013 19: 25
    +4
    Quote: Sayapo
    And nefig was to get off
    Stop, stop. Here are the figurines. No regrets! Self-determined, let them now self-survive. They scream at every corner that we are occupants, and they need cheaper gas.