Military helicopter Ka-52 "Alligator" crashed in the Moscow area Zhulebino

Emergency in the metropolitan area Zhulebino: on Tuesday afternoon, a Ka-52 combat helicopter, better known as the Alligator, crashed there. It all happened near the landfill of the Kamov aircraft factory - on the field next to residential buildings. According to preliminary data, the helicopter flew from the Chkalovsky military airfield to the site in Lyubertsy. Experimental car passed flight tests.

Immediately after the fall, two powerful explosions thundered, one of which bystanders took video. Most likely, the fuel tanks rushed, as there was no ammunition on board. There was a strong fire, thick black smoke clouded the nearest houses. Both pilots survived. According to some data, they managed to eject, according to others - until the last time they tried to take the car away from residential buildings and left the helicopter only on the ground. With numerous injuries, both pilots were hospitalized in 36 city hospital. The condition of one of them is assessed as severe. The fire at the crash site is extinguished, according to the Russia 1 channel. As a preliminary cause of the crash is called the human factor or technical failure.

"The helicopter appeared from behind the 9-storey building, twisted around the axis, and then disappeared behind another house. We heard when the screws were hitting the ground. First they thought, training flights, then the smoke started. I went there, some rocket took off, an explosion. When we realized that the helicopter had fallen, an ambulance, firemen arrived, "one of the witnesses said.

The Investigation Committee is investigating the circumstances of the accident; a pre-investigation check has been started on the fact of the fall of the Ka-52.

The damage from the disaster is estimated at approximately 800 million rubles.

Earlier it was reported that the Ka-52 carried out a test flight on the program to create a deck version intended for basing on the Mistral helicopter carrier. However, then these data are refuted.

Comments

[dmitreach]

Waited for this article from 17 00.
Health to pilots who did not leave the car. I think if they catapulted, the frames with parachutes on the trees would have been replicated.
As far as I know, when bailout, the blades shoot back and the lantern is the same ... In the video, everything is in place ...

[Bashkaus]

I really still don’t understand from the messages how the guys left the plane?
On the one hand, they talk about a crash and ejection, on the other, about a "hard landing". I think everyone understands the difference.
One thing is certain, "Zvezda" has worked 100%.
1-For the first time, a new helicopter exit system was used, previously used only on manikins.
2-If there was still a hard landing, then the amortization chairs made on the same Star performed their function.
According to the photos of the blade, it seems like it was in place, so there was no bailout, although there are no lower blades, maybe the synchronizer is there, but I do not believe in it. On the other hand, the lanterns are broken along the pyroline, which indicates leaving the cabin by bailout.
I don’t know what to think.

[Wedmak]

On the other hand, the lanterns are broken along the pyroline, which indicates leaving the cabin by bailout.

And couldn’t the pyro-tape work from the fire? The hatches of the cabin are open and it seems that standard. it seems still a hard landing. In any case, the fact that the pilots are alive after such a fall is a big plus for the Star and helicopter designers.

[Basarev]

I told you, but you did not believe in the unreliability of the Kama cars. Now you understand that with the Mi-35M such nonsense would not have happened.

[Avenger711]

From it would be just a little firebrand from the pilots.

[esso]

Quote: Basarev

I told you, but you did not believe in the unreliability of the Kama cars. Now you understand that with the Mi-35M such nonsense would not have happened.

You’re fooling around, but with any helicopter it would be like this, mi, ka, apache, the helicopter made a hard landing, a preliminary reason is the failure of the electronics, the pilots took the car away from the houses and planted it, I remind you that the mi-28 also made similar emergency landings, , and with the Mi-35m this would happen, we have few current cars, the car was experimental, probably the Ka-52k prototype, well done pilots that didn’t eject, but took the car, fought to the last, praise heaven, both are alive, now are you need to build stupid conjectures about Kamov cars, cars on ezhnye, reasons will understand experts, the main thing that both drivers will soon recover, them health!

[11111mail.ru]

S. Rustaveli: Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing a battle from the side.

[dmitreach]

Baskaus, I agree with Wedmak.
Pyro-tape could work as a result of a fire. There is also oxygen, or something else under pressure and fuel.
Between the lower screw and the upper one and a half meters there will be, or even all two ... The lower one could be damaged when the machine crashed.
Yes, and parachutes would show. Not a single video contains them, as well as the words of eyewitnesses about the domes.

But what was said by eyewitnesses:
Started a slow counterclockwise rotation ...
Rotation accelerated
Cut down a couple of tree tops
Two claps were heard (then some more not strong) and, probably, the sounds of a propeller hitting the runway.

[Avenger711]

How can a pinwheel nipple be rotated to make? Failure of controls when entering a U-turn?

[morpex]

Quote: dmitreach

Health to pilots who did not leave the car.

According to Life News sources, the incident occurred on a training airfield, both pilots managed to eject, but were injured - after the fall, the helicopter immediately caught fire. In recent years, this is not the first crash of helicopters developed by the former Kamov Design Bureau. In May 2010, a Ka-60 Kasatka helicopter crashed in Kotelniki during a training flight. Then the cause of the crash was a counterfeit part. Both pilots - 57-year-old Alexander Smirnov and 59-year-old Alexander Papay survived thanks to a unique shock absorption system built into the pilot's seats.
And to the pilots of a speedy recovery. Thank God, live!

[atalef]

Quote: morpex

According to Life News sources, the incident occurred on the training airfield, both pilots managed to eject, but were injured - after the fall, the helicopter immediately caught fire.

In general, according to a report (testimony of local residents), the helicopter appeared from behind a 9-storey building (the car was obviously taken away from residential areas). This explains the hard landing and of course there was no bailout since the screw is not shot.

[morpex]

Quote: atalef

there was no bailout

Check out Baskaus's comment ..

[Basarev]

I immediately remember the story of Apache collapsed in Afghanistan - two two hundredths and a helicopter in the trash. After the Mi-26 had to pull this weather vane.

[Basarev]

Golden people are these pilots! A model of courage and self-control.

[Grandson of Veteran]

"I've been waiting for this article since 17:00.
Health to pilots who did not leave the car. I think if they catapulted, the frames with parachutes on the trees would have been replicated.
As far as I know, when the ejection is done, the blades shoot back and the cockpit canopy is the same ... In the video, everything is in place ... "
I looked at the news-blades in place, the lamp is intact. The pilots are alive, the car was taken away from the housing. Heroes Dot. Even if piloting error due to dedication give rewards. Get well soon guys!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

that's disgusting ... well guys are alive. iron the hell with him.

[JonnyT]

Sorry ...... thank God everyone is alive. the rest is trifles.
Criminal negligence or fatal combination of circumstances? Or maybe wrecking and betrayal?
I hope the investigators will find the reason and the perpetrators will be punished!

[Basarev]

Still, it’s good that the crew survived. Otherwise, they would have attributed everything to the pilots and forgotten. Just give them a reason, these corrupt creatures!

[Vadivak]

The pilots of the Ka-52 Alligator helicopter did not catapult shortly before the crash, as previously reported, but left the car after it crashed to the ground. The helicopter reportedly crashed while landing. The pilots did everything possible to cope with the control and make at least a hard landing, but this could not be done.
The pilots received injuries of varying severity. The first pilot escaped with minor injuries, and his assistant was hospitalized with much more serious injuries. "The crew commander was practically not injured, the second pilot was seriously injured," the source said.




That is, they could catapult, but did not go for it .....

[donavi49]

They were above the landing, the height is 20 meters, they decided to sit down.

[Lomicus]

In general, where are the normal fire engines, and not this dead motor pump, which gives out pressure like from a water supply system.
And well done pilots fought to the end!

[Manul]

Even in the arms of the flame, the helicopter makes an impression .. It’s still a beautiful, but dying creature. I believe in Kamov’s machines - one of the masterpieces of helicopter engineering. Many thanks to the pilots and universal recognition for their endurance, valor and professionalism. Of course, the commission will decide everything - who is the hero, and who is to blame, but I want to at least somehow show respect to people who are engaged in such a dangerous, responsible and difficult business!

[bddrus]

In my opinion, the person responsible for the fire brigade should rake the pill to the fullest - what kind of pissing ?! judging by the wide bell - there should have been a powerful jet of foam

[Alex 241]

They took the car away from residential areas.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Alex 241

They took the car away from residential areas.

Around alone at home .................

And they managed to land the car aside ...
Easy to say, hard to do.
Flint, not people.
Already a frost on the skin, Sanya.

[Alex 241]

Hi Lesh. Guys well done one word, worked to the end. I adore.

[silver_roman]

most importantly, the guys are alive and no one died in the end.
I didn’t understand: is the machine experimental or serial?
It is unlikely that experimental vehicles will fly near cities and towns! Although everything can be!

[Basarev]

Probably, it was not a machine that was tested, but some individual units.

[svp67]

Quote: Aleks tv

Flint, not people.

Quote: Alex 241

Well done guys

..a City thought - exercises are going ...

[ddzhan]

Why fly over houses during trials?

[Misantrop]

Quote: dzhan

why fly over houses during trials?

Counter-question - who gave permission for residential development along the perimeter of the airfield?

[avt]

Quote: dzhan

Why fly over houses during trials?

They are testing in another place, even in the article Chkalovsky is indicated, obviously they distilled the tests from the test site.

Quote: Misantrop

Counter-question - who gave permission for residential development along the perimeter of the airfield?

But this is the main trouble from the greed and stupidity of the manager , remember Irkutsk. Where did the garages appear right in front of the strip into which the Bus flew? And here, right behind the fence of the house, here the men pulled as much as they could, where to jump ? Thank God alive, managed to jump out.

[Mature naturalist]

Quote: dzhan

Why fly over houses during trials?

https://maps.google.ru/?ll=55.687214,37.842536&spn=0.00733,0.017939&t=h&z=16
This is a link to Google maps - a site a stone's throw from the residential neighborhood, the Moscow Ring Road and Novoryazanskoye Shosse.
It’s time to clean it for a long time ...

[Basarev]

And they did it right, otherwise they themselves would have died, and there were a lot of civilians around - apartment buildings! And so the guys coped with the emergency situation first-class.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

There are no victims, and thank God! It happens to sort it out .. The machine is sorry of course (((Most importantly, the civilians did not suffer.

[12061973]

Quote: MIKHAN

The main thing civilians have not suffered

2nd civilian suffered

[igor67]

Of course the tragedy, but look at how young people comment on the scene of the tragedy, for them it’s like a movie, and also a swastak on the fence, (there is no normative lexicon in the video)

[Reasonable, 2,3]

It is beautiful. Generally beautiful. Young degenerates with a "clean" brain.

[Basarev]

Why, people almost died, and they swear through the word! Yes, and the swastika was heating up on the fence!

[silver_roman]

life will correct and correct. immediately seen in the army did not serve.

[shpuntik]

Major General
silver_roman (2) UA Yesterday, 21:07 PM ↑ New
life will correct and correct. immediately seen in the army did not serve.

This is unlikely ... They do not want to serve, especially from advanced cities: St. Petersburg and Moscow.
There was one colleague, I didn’t go to the metro until I was 27 ...

[Basarev]

Not such a tragedy. On the contrary, one must rejoice - they survived in such a terrible crash and saved many lives.

[rumpeljschtizhen]

yes ...... sad. the program to create a deck version will definitely slow down

[alone]

There was a kindergarten near the accident site. Now it’s clear why the pilots sat in their seats until the end. Otherwise, the helicopter could fall into kindergarten. Thanks to the pilots who prevented a big tragedy. I think they are worthy of state awards.

[ddzhan]

If you develop this logic, then every driver who crashed his car, but did not kill people while jumping out, for example, at a bus stop, deserves state awards.

[Wedmak]

Well, you compared. A car, when moving on which, observing traffic rules can be killed only by accident. Some kind of jumper ... And in case of problems I stood on the sidelines and repaired. And a helicopter, a car is a couple of orders of magnitude more complicated. In case of malfunctions, you cannot stop the turntable and do not change the failed part.

[mixxlll]

What will you personally do if you know that your action will lead to your death, troll?

[Ppsh]

And where are the firemen ???? Where are the aerodrome services ??? The "nose" of the car could have been saved ...

[Alex 241]

http://lifenews.ru/#!news/121954

[starhina01]

there were firefighters on the video (the Urals with a defoamer) but why so few one unit per aerodrome? if you urgently need to strengthen it, or not just pi ...

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: PPSh

The "nose" of the machine

Actually, this seems to be the CREW CABIN. ROOMS # 1 and # 4 (probably).

[Migari]

Damn, the bad news, the pilots were great, they took the helicopter away from the houses, although there was an opportunity to eject, they did not use it, I hope everything will be fine with the guys.

[evil hamster]

Apparently someone from the 50th series of BN 51-53 is yellow. Thank God the guys are alive, we will be full enough to be healthy.
Added: about exactly 52

[Alex 241]

Judging by the onboard it is him.

[donavi49]

No, 52. Here he is before the flight.

[evil hamster]

At 62 there is no armor plate on the side windows, look at the video it is clearly visible.

[Alex 241]

Thanks Dim saw.

[Dmitriy1975]

An article in the style of mail.ru, the author is specially for you, the helicopter made an emergency landing, there were no weapons on board, the helicopter does not belong to Moscow Region, the property of OKB im. Kamov, a modification of the KA-52 for the Navy, otherwise write, crashed, a rocket crashed and exploded if you can’t write on this topic and don’t try. Pilots speeding recovery and return to duty!

[donavi49]

This helicopter has nothing to do with the Navy and Katran. Just an experienced board OKB Kamov from the installation party.

[silver_roman]

those. not serial? otherwise I can’t find the answer, then overboard something !!!

[donavi49]

Installation batch, production of AAK "Progress" serial machine from the first batch
B / N No.52 (serial number 3538263901002, serial number 01-02)
B / N No.53 (serial number 3538263901003, serial number 01-03)

Fell 52 board.

[Serg 122]

And they write and speak! Now on TV they showed a "witness" - so she told the whole country: the helicopter crashed due to the failure of the rear stabilizing propeller! Laughed lo tears ...

[gridasov]

Just do not make yourself smarter than others. People do not understand and okay. I will tell you something else. Continuing to fly on propellers is primitive. I’m not talking about all the reasons for this conclusion, but the main thing is that the effective engine power cannot be transferred equivalently to the blades. This is a dead end. Unfortunately, no one wants to hear about turbines with forces compensating the centrifugal process. Such turbines are capable of developing speeds of rotation by orders of magnitude more and be simultaneously both an engine and a mover. This is a real opportunity to make a breakthrough in aviation. The solution to the problem of screw failure lies in the plane of understanding of how the potential is distributed over different radii of rotation of the screw.
Otherwise, pure flight performance cannot be improved, since everything is at the limit of the proportional dependence of engine power, fuel weight and propeller dimensions.

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: gridasov

about turbines with forces compensating the centrifugal process

Then this is not a helicopter.

[Wedmak]

Continuing to fly on propellers is primitive.

Yeah. Why, something else has not been invented another way. Except for the rocket engine. And flying "on propellers" in a dense atmosphere is the most economical way. Both the turbojet engine and the turbine engine are the same propeller, only in a different design.

[maksim]

sorry for the new car and such, fortunately the crew is alive

[fastblast]

it's good that everyone is alive

Now the main thing is to identify the malfunction

[Alex 241]

Life News has found out the name of one of the pilots who flew the Ka-52 Alligator military helicopter that crashed in the south-east of Moscow. This is the Honored Test Pilot of the Russian Federation Yuri Timofeev. Yuri Vladimirovich Timofeev, a test pilot with many years of experience, was seriously injured in the fall of the Ka-52 Alligator combat helicopter in Moscow.

At one time, it was thanks to his high professionalism that the program of the State Security Inspectorate of the Ka-52 combat helicopter, included in the State Defense Order plan for 2012, was completed on time.

Back in 2011, he was a leading test pilot at the stage of state joint tests on the combat use of on-board weapons of the Ka-52 helicopter.

During the test flights at the training ground, Timofeev’s crew successfully completed the credited number of launches of guided and unguided missiles, and also hit ground targets from a cannon launcher. Second pilot Vladimir Yurtayev. In the photo, Yuri Timofeev

[Alex 241]

NTV found out the name of one of the pilots flying a Ka-52 military helicopter that crashed in southeast Moscow. This is Vladimir Yurtaev. It is known about him that he underwent special training at the center for training test pilots. At the moment, doctors are working with Vladimir Yurtayev. After the crash of the Ka-52, in which he flew with another pilot, he was taken at 16:20 to the 36th hospital. At this moment HIS state Doctors evaluate HOW Severe.



Read more: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/693318/#ixzz2j80EDWOw

[Alex 241]

I wish the pilots a speedy recovery!

[silver_roman]

as well as the return to operation, further EXCLUSIVELY a clear sky above your head and soft landing !!!

[Basarev]

This golden man is Yuri Timofeev!

[Dmitriy1975]

And the main malfunction is that our country has managers, psychologists and lawyers, engineers either do not, nobody wants to work.

[Phantom Revolution]

There are engineers, only nobody needs them. The Russian Federation is leading to the slaughter of its industry.
I spoke with many engineers and ordinary hard workers, the oil and gas industry in it is even less normal, in other areas things are not so good. If you look, then the most popular profession of the Russian Federation 2015 + is managers, with s.p. from 30, for hard workers about the same, so why plow if you can sell the finished product .........

here is the WTO

here is an interesting movie too.

[Asgard]

This is Yes. Engineers, real and capable of something, and besides, having their own point of view, HAPPY nobody needs, they do not saw "loot" and often interfere ...

So the helicopter crashed
The pilots became heroes ...
Firefighter "Ural" was with a defective blowing agent ...
Therefore, such damage ....
And We are worried about the pilots and for "home" generally...

Pilots of recovery and to get them-REAL DRUGS.

[Gronsky]

Damn, but how to stew! The factory fire fighting equipment is immediately visible.
And if he fell in the immediate vicinity of other aircraft at the airport, they would also be extinguished with a trickle from a mosquito ...... nose?
Thank god the pilots are alive. This will greatly help in determining the causes of the emergency.

[fastblast]

By the way, yes, I also drew attention to how long they had been waiting for the foam and how little it was supplied from the fire truck ...

Maybe there is someone in the subject, please explain, is this always the case with the supply of foam?

[Committee]

Usually everything works, I myself saw how in Koltsovo in a gulp of seconds for 15-20 the plane was flooded with foam.

[fastblast]

then another question arises and most likely not to forum users, why was the equipment not ready for fire fighting?

[Realist58]

It used to be a logger for 10 years, but now it’s only a fine and conditional. To strain nakul, to spend the loot on garbage ... and the bosses aren’t enough for the smokers.

[11111mail.ru]

Thank you for at least such fire fighting equipment. And the techies were not at a loss.

[deputy]

Judging by the available video, an object fire tanker is working on extinguishing (that is, which is stationed at this facility - the DPD or the fire brigade of the plant). The stock of fire extinguishing agents of this type of equipment during the operation of the GPS-600 foam barrel, which can be seen in the video, lasted a maximum of 8 minutes. Then they extinguished from the motor pump with water, therefore, and "a trickle with a mosquito nose." The EMERCOM divisions are not visible on the video, but the final photographs show that the fire was extinguished precisely with the use of mechanical air foam, therefore, by the EMERCOM divisions that arrived later.

[Ahmed Osmanov]

The main thing is the pilots are alive, real men. They say that one is in serious condition, let the relatives hold on to the guy will be alive and well. Well, technology can always be built.

[polly]

The Alligator was piloted by the crew commander, first class test pilot Yuri Timofeev and first class test navigator Vladimir Yurtayev. As the representative of JSC "Kamov" noted, the helicopter crew acted competently.
Health to you guys!

[theadenter]

Faster pilots get better. Until recently, they tried to save the helicopter.

[Basarev]

Until recently, they tried to save people. Nobody thought about the helicopter.

[chunga-changa]

If the site was not so close to the houses, the pilots would simply catapult and all this heroism would be useless. I wonder who designed it and who allowed the construction, how will they be punished?
I feel sorry for the pilots, well done guys.

[Andreitas]

I live almost next to this helipad, I regularly see test flights of new Alligators. It is surprising that the take-off site is located in the city. Nearby are very close to multi-storey residential buildings. Residents who are tired of the constant roar of helicopters taking off and taking off under their windows. Tired of constant litigation about moving it to another place. And now after this accident, what will they feel, in terms of their safety. After all, the helicopter crashed almost next to the apartment building and kindergarten. Of course, it’s fortunate that the pilots didn’t crash. God grant them good health and a speedy recovery. It’s a miracle that no one died. Although, in essence, this site was built back in Soviet times, when there were no residential buildings nearby. There was a field and a forest. So what the builders of these new buildings were thinking about, erecting their houses near this site, FIG knows.

[dmitreach]

what the builders of these new buildings were thinking about, erecting their houses near this site, figs knows.

thought of grandmas.

[donavi49]

Namely, there are no new alligators since 2011 of the year. Only the bureau OKB. Here Ka-32 / Ka-31 / Ka-27M new fly.

[Basarev]

They thought about profit, these capital

[ale-x]

Immediately the question ... Who gave them building permits?

[Wedmak]

Eh. Thank God there are no victims. Well done pilots, I wish them to their feet as soon as possible. And they’ll still collect the car ..

[Alex 241]

Thank God, the lives of two pilots of the Ka-52 helicopter that crashed on Tuesday afternoon in the Moscow region of Zhulebino are not in danger, but the pilots suffered multiple bruises and fractures when they hit the ground. One of them has a suspicion of a compression fracture of the spine. The condition of both the aircraft commander and the co-pilot is rated as moderate.

From the message of the Ministry of Health of Russia: “Patients have a moderate state, there is no threat to life. All necessary medical assistance is provided. ”

Read more: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/693478#ixzz2j83d6b4w

[Committee]

Again the problem of lashing the blades? Such information has passed. Who knows, is it or not, eyewitnesses? I remember how a few years ago, the chief (?) Designer speaking at a closed meeting said that the problem has not been resolved, and that the main forces of the design bureau have been left to solve it.

[donavi49]

There was overlap only once, in an experimental car, which had refinements specially for aerobatics.

Similar improvements for aerobatics are on the Ka-52 b / n 063, which turned on Max and Le Bourget, but he is alive and well.

According to the video, the upper blades are intact, the lower ones are ripped off when the soil began to plow. Therefore, overlap is extremely unlikely.

And yes, all the forces of the design bureau are now thrown at Katran. According to which there is a backlog and the punishment is already promised.

[dmitreach]

There was one incident, even the video on you tube wandered ... Only there is a ka-50, if my memory serves me right.
At a hundred meters there was a lashing of the blades during a sharp climb.

[donavi49]

Yes, the only case on a specially modified board for aerobatics. Vorobiev died. Here is the video. By the way, it can be seen that the screws scattered into chips, and he fell on the bare axis. Unlike the whole screws on the fallen board, the 52 number.

[Alex 241]

Quote: Committee

Again the problem of lapping the blades

We will wait when the specialists comment, there’s no sense from the journalists. Everywhere we catapulted! What catapulted if the blades are in place!

[igor67]

Quote: Alex 241

Quote: Committee

Again the problem of lapping the blades

We will wait when the specialists comment, there’s no sense from the journalists. Everywhere we catapulted! What catapulted if the blades are in place!

Hi Sanya, I probably missed something, on ka52 are the pyrapatrons on the rotor hub?

[Alex 241]

Hi Igor, yes, of course. The system acted as follows: in the event of an unavoidable threat to the life of the pilot (for example, in the event of a failure of any vital on-board system or in the event of damage in a battle in which the helicopter cannot continue flying), the pilot lifts his legs and, holding the catapult's arms, he energetically yanks them up. At this moment, special pyro-cartridges are triggered, which literally interrupt all six rotor blades. In a split second, the blades fly off the helicopter, freeing up space above the pilot’s head. After passing the command to separate the blades by detonating the detonating cord superimposed on the cockpit glazing, the passage is released upwards and the towing rocket is launched, which pulls the seat with the pilot out of the helicopter cockpit. Sensors determine the height, speed and spatial orientation of the chair, after which the rescue parachute is activated. The K-37-800 rocket and parachute system provides pilot rescue in the altitude range from 0 meters to 4 kilometers and at a helicopter speed of 0 to 350 km / h. In fact, in the event of an emergency, the pilot can safely eject from a helicopter standing on the ground.

[igor67]

Quote: Alex 241

Hi Igor, yes, of course. The system acted as follows: in the event of an unavoidable threat to the life of the pilot (for example, in the event of a failure of any vital on-board system or in the event of damage in a battle in which the helicopter cannot continue flying), the pilot lifts his legs and, holding the catapult's arms, he energetically yanks them up. At this moment, special pyro-cartridges are triggered, which literally interrupt all six rotor blades. In a split second, the blades fly off the helicopter, freeing up space above the pilot’s head. After passing the command to separate the blades by detonating the detonating cord superimposed on the cockpit glazing, the passage is released upwards and the towing rocket is launched, which pulls the seat with the pilot out of the helicopter cockpit. Sensors determine the height, speed and spatial orientation of the chair, after which the rescue parachute is activated. The K-37-800 rocket and parachute system provides pilot rescue in the altitude range from 0 meters to 4 kilometers and at a helicopter speed of 0 to 350 km / h. In fact, in the event of an emergency, the pilot can safely eject from a helicopter standing on the ground.

Thank you, Sasha! How much time and pilots died, what would they start to shoot the blades, I wonder how things are on Mi28?

[Alex 241]

There is no helicopter bailout system on the Mi-28, however, crew members can leave it with parachutes, which involves shooting the rotor blades, emergency reset of the cabin doors and inflating the pneumatic chambers located below the door threshold (to prevent collision with the landing gear).

[Alex 241]

The layout of the combat helicopter Mi-28Н

1-tail gear; 2-flashing beacon; 3 stabilizer; 4 angle gear; 5 transmission shaft; 6 antenna of the communication system; 7 antenna of satellite navigation system; 8 antenna of the communication system; 9 container with jammer; 10-screen-exhaust device; 11 wing; 12-APU AI-9В; 13- TVD TVZ-117ВМА; 14 air filter; 15 over-the-body radar HO-25; 16-main gearbox; 17 cockpit door (open); 18-pneumatic gangway for emergency exit; 19 rotor blade; 20 pilot seat; 21-indicator on the windshield; 22 operator seat; 23-compartment of electronic equipment; 24 retractable headlight; 25-tube LDPE; 26-angle of attack and slip sensors; 27-tube LDPE; 28-fairing antenna guidance system UR; 29 thermal imaging system; 30 gyro-stabilized platform; 31-gun installation NPPU-28Н; 32 footrest; 33-main landing gear; 34 fuel tank; 35 ATGM Attack; 36-NAR S-8 with various warheads; 37, 38 block NAR B8В-20; 39 launchers of the UR "air-to-air" "Needle"; 40 package of transport and launch containers ATGM ATAK; 41-transport and launch container ATGM "Attack"; 42-NAR S-13 with different warheads; 43 block NAR B-13L; 44-tail landing gear; 45 steering screw

[tomket]

it’s interesting, for example, the seat and the chyssy design will save the pilots in case of failure at an altitude of 20 meters, I mean the X-NUMX, but if there was an accident at an altitude of 28-60 meters, will there be enough time for the pilot to complete all the manipulations to leave the helicopter with a parachute? ?? it’s not a fighter of the times of war, when the lantern was dropped, the plane turned over, you unfastened your belts and you were saved, and if the pilot is also injured, well, or just the moment of any overloads or rotations, it’s so doubtful to me that the catapult is more reliable, at least in psychological terms.

[Wedmak]

It is unlikely that the helicopter will fall like a stone, yet the main rotor has some "tendencies" to autorotation. The helicopter itself is armored, it is not easy to interrupt anything important. Well, but accidents, a "successful" missile hit ... alas, anything can happen.
You can also wrap yourself off the stairs so that you break your arms and legs.

[igor67]

Quote: Wedmak

It is unlikely that the helicopter will fall like a stone, yet the main rotor has some "tendencies" to autorotation. The helicopter itself is armored, it is not easy to interrupt anything important. Well, but accidents, a "successful" missile hit ... alas, anything can happen.
You can also wrap yourself off the stairs so that you break your arms and legs.

As the production master told us: the helicopter falls with stone. (about 24ku), although the helicopter is armored, it’s not a tank, and you can kill something important, depending on what you think is important, for example, a pilot is important to me, so cars came from Afghanistan, breaking the side from the bottom under the pilot, heavy machine gun, the pilot naturally died, armor from the sides,

[evil hamster]

Well, somewhere with a 50m Mi28 fell in 2009, as far as I know, the pilots were not injured, the board was restored.

[Lopatov]

The crew commander then died. And it was in 2011 in the Stavropol Territory

[evil hamster]

No, I'm talking about the fall due to surging in 2009 emnip in the moulineaux at the show / exercise

[igor67]

Quote: evil hamster

Well, somewhere with a 50m Mi28 fell in 2009, as far as I know, the pilots were not injured, the board was restored.

Well, different things when they knock down a car in a battle and it falls from a decent height, or as it was the same with us on a crucifix .... they didn’t connect outboard fuel tanks (as I don’t remember, they probably swelled) the car sat down hard with 50 meters, but without problems, but pilots die more often from hitting the ground, the meat comes off the bones, but it’s better to talk about the good, in this situation the pilots are great, a speedy recovery

[Avenger711]

Helicopter bailout is dangerous due to the scattering of the blades that have been shot, and the process itself, although the prospects for landing are also extremely hopeless.

[Avenger711]

More precisely, the Ka-50/52 is the only helicopter with a catapult.

[Misantrop]

Quote: igor67

How much time and pilots died, what would begin to shoot the blades

The system of shooting the blades of a helicopter in the air was first tested by Yu. Garnaev on a Mi-1 helicopter

[Alex 241]

A unique experiment on the shooting of the rotor blades on the Mi-4

Test Pilot Yu.A. Garnayev leaves the Mi-4 helicopter before firing the blades

A little clarification on the Mi-4

[Misantrop]

Quote: Alex 241

A little clarification on the Mi-4

I read about it while still a schoolboy. And from no side is a helicopter pilot ...

[Alex 241]

Quote: Misantrop

And from no side is a helicopter pilot

In what sense?

[Misantrop]

Quote: Alex 241

In what sense?

In the air garrison, where he grew up, there were Tupolev cars and the An-2 staff. But in Gadzhievo, where he served, there was nothing more from aircraft, only submarines. So I didn’t have a chance to feel live either, nor to communicate closely with helicopter pilots

[igor67]

Quote: Misantrop

Quote: igor67

How much time and pilots died, what would begin to shoot the blades

The system of shooting the blades of a helicopter in the air was first tested by Yu. Garnaev on a Mi-1 helicopter

But the main Mi24 was not, only the cockpit door was shot back, and the operator, although the operator is the worst, he also has a tail rotor

[Bashkaus]

Something I'm not sure that they will tell you so that the problem has not been solved (((

[Black]

Why are tests of an experimental machine not going over Red Square?
I do not understand...

[theadenter]

I don’t understand, do you want more victims of chtoli?

[Alex 241]

In this case, your sarcasm is inappropriate.

[Black]

And if the device crashed into a high-rise building, would it be appropriate ??
Since when do we have shortages in sparsely populated places !?

[Alex 241]

This site has been located there since 1964, and address questions to the administration, who gave permission for the development.

[alone]

I propose to test experimental cars over your house. Then I’ll understand why the tests do not take place on the Red Square.

[Black]

Here I am about the same thing - in Russia there are few places to test them? The outskirts of Moscow- landfill ???

[Lopatov]

Move to a new one. After a year, they will build high-rise buildings around them and begin to resent loudly and demand a new transfer.

[Russ69]

Quote: Spade

Move to a new one. After a year, they will build high-rise buildings around them and begin to resent loudly and demand a new transfer.

Even earlier they will start screaming that they closed the test center, all specialists were fired, etc.

[donavi49]

By the way, now one of the motor design bureaus and production is moving from Moscow. Precisely because they cannot work normally, comply with emission standards, logistics to the city, etc. On this topic, I only saw 4 or 5 programs on the topic "Everything is lost! The oldest plant has been destroyed !!!", plus articles without counting. And this despite the fact that they make the move to a ready-made, built site and hope to release the same number of products in 2014 as in 2013, and from 2015 to increase the output by 20%.

It will be the same if the platform will be transported to a thread away.

[pv1005]

Yes, all around Moscow there are solid polygons. Didn't you know that?

[Kiliny]

Guys are real Heroes !!! One must be proud of such!

[polly]

Now they write that the navigator has already proved himself a hero for the second time!

"The navigator of the helicopter that crashed on Tuesday, October 29, on the outskirts of Moscow, Vladimir Yurtaev, almost died 11 years ago during the test of the Su-25. As it became known to" Komsomolskaya Pravda ", the incident occurred in 1994 near Krasnodar.
Yurtaev, together with pilot Vladimir Voronov, made a planned flight of the Su-25 attack aircraft at the Krasnodar-Central airfield. The flight proceeded normally, but suddenly the system reported "Right engine fire." The crew made a decision to land. The right engine had to be turned off, but the plane suddenly began to tumble to the right, going towards the city. The control stick, no matter how the pilots pulled it, froze in one position. The plane urgently lost altitude. And only at the very last moment the crew managed to deflect the left pedal with their feet and lead the attack aircraft away from the houses. Before hitting the ground, there were only a few hundred meters. Yurtaev and Voronov managed to catapult literally a moment before the explosion. Who knows how many lives the pilots saved then.
However, the newspapers did not write about this case then. And the pilots were arrested for explanatory. Although later the special commission acknowledged that the crew acted in a highly professional manner. "
http://www.kp.ru/daily/26151/3040832/

[Bashkaus]

Why the hell with this helicopter, are the pilots alive? - and this is the most important thing, we’ll assume that it crashed for good luck to a long and successful career)) Who doesn’t happen to? Although whom am I kidding? The car is also a pity.

[Basarev]

A machine is just a piece of iron. You can still configure darkness.

[Brother]

They say that in 95% of cases, such an emergency occurs due to the human factor, if so, then these pilots completely atoned for their mistake by taking the combat vehicle away from residential buildings.

[Samsebenaum]

A speedy recovery to the pilots !!!
Now this is the most important thing.
And of course, I wish you a successful medical examination to return to flight.
The helicopter is destroyed, but this happens in life.
Thank God they themselves survived!

[Andrey Peter]

Quote: Andreitas

Although, in essence, this site was built back in Soviet times, when there were no residential buildings nearby. There was a field and a forest. So what the builders of these new buildings were thinking about, erecting their houses near this site, FIG knows.

Previously, everything was envisaged and there were even civil defense standards by which the construction of cities was carried out. Now nobody cares - the main benefit. The closer the house, the less communication. In general, the pilots were lucky, and I think the reason will not be found out soon, but specifically, so that there would be no repetitions. Yes, and the issue of the transfer must be decided.

[starhina01]

Pilots pleased immediately seen real men do not throw technology

[Avenger711]

And then it turns out that the expensive equipment was destroyed, and the pilots in the hospital only because some ghoul did not really tighten the nut for 10 rubles.

[alexander 2]

In Soviet times, there was control and responsibility, and this nut would have been found before the flight. The ghoul would have been kicked out, and his boss would have been deprived of the bonus. Now they will find the "switchman", they will be punished approximately, but there was no control, and the helicopters, as they fell, will remain fall.

[Andrey Peter]

Quote: dzhan

If you develop this logic, then every driver who crashed his car, but did not kill people while jumping out, for example, at a bus stop, deserves state awards.

Now (unfortunately) the drivers are half of the country and many, having bought a license and having left for a year, feel like professionals. And if someone is lucky, then really compare them with professionals, and I know more than one case when skill saved lives on the roads. You "-" and for tl that compared test pilots with ordinary drivers.

[Black]

Quote: lonely

I suggest to test experimental cars over your house

I do not live on the outskirts of Moscow ... others live ... what is above their house is nothing?

[1c-inform-city]

The helicopter was experienced and this gives hope that this will not happen again on production machines.
Thank God the men are alive !!! It infuriates that many magazines are already yelling, how is it why a helicopter is in the city. Yes, not in the city, but on the territory of the experimental airfield of the Kamov Design Bureau, it is there a long time ago and the airfield too. It’s just that our bureaucrats quietly built up the surrounding territory .
In violation of all conceivable standards. But we have already done this in Irkutsk, Chelyabinsk and Voronezh. Now people are demanding the closure of air bases, design bureaus and factories. Of course, you can understand them, but you won’t put the airbase in your pocket. Thank God we haven’t gotten to Lipetsk yet, but maybe they’re already picking up. Though the 52K program wouldn’t get up !!

[SkyMaXX]

Shocked by what happened. In general, the admiration for the Ka-52 helicopter is so great with me that it is for me almost a god in the world of helicopters. And when an accident happened to him, it hit me. By the way, this is the second such case. For the first time this was in my opinion due to the fact that the crew lost spatial orientation when the helicopter flew in very snowy weather. The crew survived, but was injured.
What is just noticeable is that the helicopter is quite reliable, especially since the helicopter has seats that absorb the energy of the fall. In general, Kamov’s helicopters are very reliable, thank God accidents are very rare, by the way I don’t remember that there were disasters with losses, although I remembered Major General Boris Vorobyov crashed on the Ka-50 in 1998.

[SkyMaXX]

Oh shit, I'm lying! Last year, it turns out the crew died. They were seriously injured and could not be saved by doctors. But still, I will say that the Kama helicopters are much more reliable than the helicopters of the classical scheme.

[kundyshev]

LETCHIK AND FRONT AVIATION just Conscientiously did their job !!!
Happy Holidays !!!
A state of emergency is and will always be, because. absolutely reliable technology is not and cannot be.
Health to you, the Pilots, who survived "in execution" ... and the sky "... a million to a million .."

[Alex 241]

In memory of the crew of the Ka-52 ("Alligator") helicopter that crashed near Torzhok on 12.03.12. ...

[Alex 241]

Looking at night, at least one good news: on October 28 in Komsomolsk-on-Amur the first flight of the next model of the fifth generation T50 multirole fighter took place. The plane, piloted by a 1st-class test pilot, was in the air for about an hour. According to the developers, the flight, during which the stability of the machine and the operation of the systems was checked, went in full accordance with the task. The next stage of the tests will be held at the aerodrome near Moscow in Zhukovsky.

[svp67]

Quote: Alex 241

Ka-52 ("Alligator"), crashed

Alexander
What's wrong with "52", so many accidents, "50" didn't seem to "fall ..."

[Alex 241]

Seryozha, I will express my opinion, all this is the result of "reforming", but by the simple murder of the army, okay in Torzhok, the guys ended up in the SMU, a hard landing, Serezha was looking for them for almost half a day, think about it, the car that fell 10 km from the airfield was looking for so much time. the moment the navigator was found was alive, he died on the way to the hospital.

[donavi49]

Ka-50 was 6 pieces, Ka-52 is already 40. Two flown up, Ka-50 on average flew less.

Well, accident rate:
Ka-50 - 1 thing, the board of Vorobyov specially modified for aerobatics, at supercritical mode, the lashing of the blades.
Ka-52 - 2 pieces, the 99 board crashed into an obstacle when flying to SMU at low altitude. The 52 board has fallen so far now, the reasons are unclear.

[shpuntik]

"The helicopter appeared from behind a 9-storey building, revolved around its axis, and then disappeared behind another house. We heard the screws hitting the ground ..."

The heroic act was committed by pilots, not catapulted. May the Lord help to recover ...
The new helicopter crashed, it is necessary to find the reason. Guilty to punish.

[Alex 241]

Bacchanalia has already begun, damn it, there isn’t enough evil: Causes of the crash of the Ka-52 helicopter in the metropolitan area of ​​Zhulebino could be caused by technical problems and crew error. This was reported by Interfax with reference to the official representative of the Moscow Interregional Investigation Department of Transport Tatyana Morozova.

Previously, she spoke about the discovery of the black box. According to unconfirmed reports, a fragment of the flight recorder record appeared on the Web. According to the published audio material, the senior pilot handed over the control of the machine to his colleague, the “novice”.

Here is this file: http: //files.radioscanner.ru/files/download/file16215/62205.mp3, I just want to ask Tatyana Morozova: Lady, do you know that the callsign is at the Novichek Kamov site? And how many more noodles are there for us? are you going to hang? !!!! Ah Morozova!

[1c-inform-city]

maybe they had a problem with fixing the blades? After all, as I understand it on ka 52 (ship), the main difference is the folding blades.

[donavi49]

Only one trouble, the same ship with folding blades is still going to Progress. The 52 board is old and was used in the small experimental work of the Design Bureau. Without any folding of the blades and other major modifications.

The ship's subject involved the 061 helicopter design bureau Kamov. But there is work on the little things and data capture.

[STAS72]

glory to the Russian people !!!!! - only they can sacrifice themselves for the sake of humanity.
so even the gods do not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwSLHCXv2tc

[Brother]

Helicopter ... collected at the same factory as the torches for the Olympic Games ...

[IgorND]

No, torches at Krasmash did ...

[Unisonic]

It’s sad that he fell, but the main thing is that people survived. And they’ll collect another piece of iron. In the past crash of the Ka-52, fate was not so supportive of the pilots.

[awg75]

I believe that Muscovites or even those who consider themselves decent people should put a monument to the pilots. just imagine that they catapulted and the car would fall uncontrollably --- how many troubles it could cause .... these PEOPLE with a capital letter really risked their lives for you

[Dwarfik]

Kind! Pilots early amendments and return to heaven! Well done guys, the area is very dangerous in terms of air crashes! They did everything right! Sorry for the bird!

[Analyst]

Get well soon guys.
They are real HEROES OF RUSSIA.

[air wolf]

They simply performed their work, there is no heroism.

[Analyst]

Quote: air wolf

They simply performed their work, there is no heroism.

Take the helicopter away from the residential area and by the way there is a kindergarten nearby
At the cost of his life, THIS IS NOT HEROISM !?

[air wolf]

Gentlemen! I don’t understand at all what the conversation is about, but the pilots were lucky that they didn’t burn out, the onlookers didn’t die. But the reason will be established quickly, since the ARPA ("black box") is available, and to guess what the reason was and to listen to the pilot's delirium that something went wrong, I consider it complete nonsense. Because all parameters of devices, etc. are recorded (thousands of indicators). There it is possible to determine by the oscillation of the RU (control stick) which pulse the pilot had.
In general, the heck was to start the development of the KA 50-52, the same ka-29 performs the same functions, it would be better if it was modernized. The Ka-52 as well as the Mi-28 are simply not needed, the Mi-24M and Ka-29M are all the same for only less money!

[ded10041948]

And why was it necessary to develop into people? The monkeys had stones and food. So we would have lived for ourselves, otherwise "evolution, development"!

[shark]

Recovery pilots! What they did is called a simple word-feat!