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Military helicopter Ka-52 "Alligator" crashed in the Moscow area Zhulebino

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Military helicopter Ka-52 "Alligator" crashed in the Moscow area Zhulebino

Emergency in the metropolitan area Zhulebino: on Tuesday afternoon, a Ka-52 combat helicopter, better known as the Alligator, crashed there. It all happened near the landfill of the Kamov aircraft factory - on the field next to residential buildings. According to preliminary data, the helicopter flew from the Chkalovsky military airfield to the site in Lyubertsy. Experimental car passed flight tests.


Immediately after the fall, two powerful explosions thundered, one of which bystanders took video. Most likely, the fuel tanks rushed, as there was no ammunition on board. There was a strong fire, thick black smoke clouded the nearest houses. Both pilots survived. According to some data, they managed to eject, according to others - until the last time they tried to take the car away from residential buildings and left the helicopter only on the ground. With numerous injuries, both pilots were hospitalized in 36 city hospital. The condition of one of them is assessed as severe. The fire at the crash site is extinguished, according to the Russia 1 channel. As a preliminary cause of the crash is called the human factor or technical failure.

"The helicopter appeared from behind the 9-storey building, twisted around the axis, and then disappeared behind another house. We heard when the screws were hitting the ground. First they thought, training flights, then the smoke started. I went there, some rocket took off, an explosion. When we realized that the helicopter had fallen, an ambulance, firemen arrived, "one of the witnesses said.

The Investigation Committee is investigating the circumstances of the accident; a pre-investigation check has been started on the fact of the fall of the Ka-52.

The damage from the disaster is estimated at approximately 800 million rubles.

Earlier it was reported that the Ka-52 carried out a test flight on the program to create a deck version intended for basing on the Mistral helicopter carrier. However, then these data are refuted.


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  1. dmitreach
    dmitreach 29 October 2013 19: 20 New
    44
    Waited for this article from 17 00.
    Health to pilots who did not leave the car. I think if they catapulted, the frames with parachutes on the trees would have been replicated.
    As far as I know, when bailout, the blades shoot back and the lantern is the same ... In the video, everything is in place ...
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 29 October 2013 20: 37 New
      +8
      I really still don’t understand from the messages how the guys left the plane?
      On the one hand, they talk about a crash and ejection, on the other, about a "hard landing". I think everyone understands the difference.
      One thing is certain, "Zvezda" has worked 100%.
      1-For the first time, a new helicopter exit system was used, previously used only on manikins.
      2-If there was still a hard landing, then the amortization chairs made on the same Star performed their function.
      According to the photos of the blade, it seems like it was in place, so there was no bailout, although there are no lower blades, maybe the synchronizer is there, but I do not believe in it. On the other hand, the lanterns are broken along the pyroline, which indicates leaving the cabin by bailout.
      I don’t know what to think.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 29 October 2013 20: 54 New
        15
        On the other hand, the lanterns are broken along the pyroline, which indicates leaving the cabin by bailout.

        And couldn’t the pyro-tape work from the fire? The hatches of the cabin are open and it seems that standard. it seems still a hard landing. In any case, the fact that the pilots are alive after such a fall is a big plus for the Star and helicopter designers.
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 29 October 2013 21: 29 New
        -56 qualifying.
        I told you, but you did not believe in the unreliability of the Kama cars. Now you understand that with the Mi-35M such nonsense would not have happened.
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 29 October 2013 22: 00 New
          +6
          From it would be just a little firebrand from the pilots.
        2. Esso
          Esso 29 October 2013 22: 06 New
          26
          Quote: Basarev
          I told you, but you did not believe in the unreliability of the Kama cars. Now you understand that with the Mi-35M such nonsense would not have happened.

          You’re fooling around, but with any helicopter it would be like this, mi, ka, apache, the helicopter made a hard landing, a preliminary reason is the failure of the electronics, the pilots took the car away from the houses and planted it, I remind you that the mi-28 also made similar emergency landings, , and with the Mi-35m this would happen, we have few current cars, the car was experimental, probably the Ka-52k prototype, well done pilots that didn’t eject, but took the car, fought to the last, praise heaven, both are alive, now are you need to build stupid conjectures about Kamov cars, cars on ezhnye, reasons will understand experts, the main thing that both drivers will soon recover, them health!
        3. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 30 October 2013 05: 14 New
          +5
          S. Rustaveli: Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing a battle from the side.
      3. dmitreach
        dmitreach 29 October 2013 22: 03 New
        +3
        Baskaus, I agree with Wedmak.
        Pyro-tape could work as a result of a fire. There is also oxygen, or something else under pressure and fuel.
        Between the lower screw and the upper one and a half meters there will be, or even all two ... The lower one could be damaged when the machine crashed.
        Yes, and parachutes would show. Not a single video contains them, as well as the words of eyewitnesses about the domes.

        But what was said by eyewitnesses:
        Started a slow counterclockwise rotation ...
        Rotation accelerated
        Cut down a couple of tree tops
        Two claps were heard (then some more not strong) and, probably, the sounds of a propeller hitting the runway.
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 30 October 2013 02: 45 New
          +1
          How can a pinwheel nipple be rotated to make? Failure of controls when entering a U-turn?
    2. morpex
      morpex 29 October 2013 21: 00 New
      10
      Quote: dmitreach
      Health to pilots who did not leave the car.

      According to Life News sources, the incident occurred on a training airfield, both pilots managed to eject, but were injured - after the fall, the helicopter immediately caught fire. In recent years, this is not the first crash of helicopters developed by the former Kamov Design Bureau. In May 2010, a Ka-60 Kasatka helicopter crashed in Kotelniki during a training flight. Then the cause of the crash was a counterfeit part. Both pilots - 57-year-old Alexander Smirnov and 59-year-old Alexander Papay survived thanks to a unique shock absorption system built into the pilot's seats.
      And to the pilots of a speedy recovery. Thank God, live!
      1. atalef
        atalef 29 October 2013 21: 11 New
        14
        Quote: morpex
        According to Life News sources, the incident occurred on the training airfield, both pilots managed to eject, but were injured - after the fall, the helicopter immediately caught fire.

        In general, according to a report (testimony of local residents), the helicopter appeared from behind a 9-storey building (the car was obviously taken away from residential areas). This explains the hard landing and of course there was no bailout since the screw is not shot.
        1. morpex
          morpex 30 October 2013 00: 19 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          there was no bailout

          Check out Baskaus's comment ..
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 29 October 2013 21: 31 New
        +3
        I immediately remember the story of Apache collapsed in Afghanistan - two two hundredths and a helicopter in the trash. After the Mi-26 had to pull this weather vane.
    3. Basarev
      Basarev 29 October 2013 21: 27 New
      +6
      Golden people are these pilots! A model of courage and self-control.
    4. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 30 October 2013 00: 32 New
      +6
      "I've been waiting for this article since 17:00.
      Health to pilots who did not leave the car. I think if they catapulted, the frames with parachutes on the trees would have been replicated.
      As far as I know, when the ejection is done, the blades shoot back and the cockpit canopy is the same ... In the video, everything is in place ... "
      I looked at the news-blades in place, the lamp is intact. The pilots are alive, the car was taken away from the housing. Heroes Dot. Even if piloting error due to dedication give rewards. Get well soon guys!
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 29 October 2013 19: 20 New
    20
    that's disgusting ... well guys are alive. iron the hell with him.
  3. JonnyT
    JonnyT 29 October 2013 19: 21 New
    +5
    Sorry ...... thank God everyone is alive. the rest is trifles.
    Criminal negligence or fatal combination of circumstances? Or maybe wrecking and betrayal?
    I hope the investigators will find the reason and the perpetrators will be punished!
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 29 October 2013 21: 32 New
      -3
      Still, it’s good that the crew survived. Otherwise, they would have attributed everything to the pilots and forgotten. Just give them a reason, these corrupt creatures!
  4. Vadivak
    Vadivak 29 October 2013 19: 21 New
    19
    The pilots of the Ka-52 Alligator helicopter did not catapult shortly before the crash, as previously reported, but left the car after it crashed to the ground. The helicopter reportedly crashed while landing. The pilots did everything possible to cope with the control and make at least a hard landing, but this could not be done.
    The pilots received injuries of varying severity. The first pilot escaped with minor injuries, and his assistant was hospitalized with much more serious injuries. "The crew commander was practically not injured, the second pilot was seriously injured," the source said.




    That is, they could catapult, but did not go for it .....
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 October 2013 19: 27 New
      10
      They were above the landing, the height is 20 meters, they decided to sit down.

      1. Lomikus
        Lomikus 29 October 2013 19: 56 New
        11
        In general, where are the normal fire engines, and not this dead motor pump, which gives out pressure like from a water supply system.
        And well done pilots fought to the end!
      2. Manul
        Manul 29 October 2013 22: 41 New
        +8
        Even in the arms of the flame, the helicopter makes an impression .. It’s still a beautiful, but dying creature. I believe in Kamov’s machines - one of the masterpieces of helicopter engineering. Many thanks to the pilots and universal recognition for their endurance, valor and professionalism. Of course, the commission will decide everything - who is the hero, and who is to blame, but I want to at least somehow show respect to people who are engaged in such a dangerous, responsible and difficult business!
      3. bddrus
        bddrus 30 October 2013 10: 32 New
        0
        In my opinion, the person responsible for the fire brigade should rake the pill to the fullest - what kind of pissing ?! judging by the wide bell - there should have been a powerful jet of foam
    2. Alex 241
      Alex 241 29 October 2013 19: 28 New
      14
      They took the car away from residential areas.
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 29 October 2013 20: 28 New
        14
        Quote: Alex 241
        They took the car away from residential areas.

        Around alone at home .................

        And they managed to land the car aside ...
        Easy to say, hard to do.
        Flint, not people.
        Already a frost on the skin, Sanya.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 29 October 2013 20: 40 New
          11
          Hi Lesh. Guys well done one word, worked to the end. I adore.
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 29 October 2013 21: 05 New
            +2
            most importantly, the guys are alive and no one died in the end.
            I didn’t understand: is the machine experimental or serial?
            It is unlikely that experimental vehicles will fly near cities and towns! Although everything can be!
            1. Basarev
              Basarev 29 October 2013 21: 35 New
              0
              Probably, it was not a machine that was tested, but some individual units.
          2. svp67
            svp67 1 November 2013 14: 51 New
            0
            Quote: Aleks tv
            Flint, not people.

            Quote: Alex 241
            Well done guys

            ..a City thought - exercises are going ...
        2. ddzhan
          ddzhan 29 October 2013 20: 46 New
          +1
          Why fly over houses during trials?
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 29 October 2013 20: 53 New
            29
            Quote: dzhan
            why fly over houses during trials?
            Counter-question - who gave permission for residential development along the perimeter of the airfield?
          2. avt
            avt 29 October 2013 22: 09 New
            +5
            Quote: dzhan
            Why fly over houses during trials?

            They are testing in another place, even in the article Chkalovsky is indicated, obviously they distilled the tests from the test site.
            Quote: Misantrop
            Counter-question - who gave permission for residential development along the perimeter of the airfield?

            But this is the main trouble from the greed and stupidity of the manager negative , remember Irkutsk. Where did the garages appear right in front of the strip into which the Bus flew? And here, right behind the fence of the house, here the men pulled as much as they could, where to jump request ? Thank God alive, managed to jump out.
          3. Mature naturalist
            Mature naturalist 30 October 2013 01: 37 New
            0
            Quote: dzhan
            Why fly over houses during trials?

            https://maps.google.ru/?ll=55.687214,37.842536&spn=0.00733,0.017939&t=h&z=16
            This is a link to Google maps - a site a stone's throw from the residential neighborhood, the Moscow Ring Road and Novoryazanskoye Shosse.
            It’s time to clean it for a long time ...
    3. Basarev
      Basarev 29 October 2013 21: 34 New
      +2
      And they did it right, otherwise they themselves would have died, and there were a lot of civilians around - apartment buildings! And so the guys coped with the emergency situation first-class.
  5. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 October 2013 19: 25 New
    +4
    There are no victims, and thank God! It happens to sort it out .. The machine is sorry of course (((Most importantly, the civilians did not suffer.
    1. 12061973
      12061973 29 October 2013 23: 12 New
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      The main thing civilians have not suffered

      2nd civilian suffered
  6. igor67
    igor67 29 October 2013 19: 25 New
    10
    Of course the tragedy, but look at how young people comment on the scene of the tragedy, for them it’s like a movie, and also a swastak on the fence, (there is no normative lexicon in the video)
    1. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 29 October 2013 20: 44 New
      +9
      It is beautiful. Generally beautiful. Young degenerates with a "clean" brain.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 29 October 2013 21: 42 New
        0
        Why, people almost died, and they swear through the word! Yes, and the swastika was heating up on the fence!
    2. silver_roman
      silver_roman 29 October 2013 21: 07 New
      +7
      life will correct and correct. immediately seen in the army did not serve. fool
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 30 October 2013 00: 38 New
        +5
        Major General
        silver_roman (2) UA Yesterday, 21:07 PM ↑ New
        life will correct and correct. immediately seen in the army did not serve. fool

        This is unlikely ... They do not want to serve, especially from advanced cities: St. Petersburg and Moscow.
        There was one colleague, I didn’t go to the metro until I was 27 ...
    3. Basarev
      Basarev 29 October 2013 21: 37 New
      -1
      Not such a tragedy. On the contrary, one must rejoice - they survived in such a terrible crash and saved many lives.
  7. rumpeljschtizhen
    rumpeljschtizhen 29 October 2013 19: 25 New
    +2
    yes ...... sad. the program to create a deck version will definitely slow down
  8. alone
    alone 29 October 2013 19: 35 New
    13
    There was a kindergarten near the accident site. Now it’s clear why the pilots sat in their seats until the end. Otherwise, the helicopter could fall into kindergarten. Thanks to the pilots who prevented a big tragedy. I think they are worthy of state awards.
    1. ddzhan
      ddzhan 29 October 2013 21: 18 New
      -36 qualifying.
      If you develop this logic, then every driver who crashed his car, but did not kill people while jumping out, for example, at a bus stop, deserves state awards.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 29 October 2013 21: 27 New
        +6
        Well, you compared. A car, when moving on which, observing traffic rules can be killed only by accident. Some kind of jumper ... And in case of problems I stood on the sidelines and repaired. And a helicopter, a car is a couple of orders of magnitude more complicated. In case of malfunctions, you cannot stop the turntable and do not change the failed part.
      2. mixxlll
        mixxlll 30 October 2013 00: 52 New
        +3
        What will you personally do if you know that your action will lead to your death, troll?
  9. Ppsh
    Ppsh 29 October 2013 19: 37 New
    +3
    And where are the firemen ???? Where are the aerodrome services ??? The "nose" of the car could have been saved ...
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 29 October 2013 19: 44 New
      +5
      http://lifenews.ru/#!news/121954
    2. starhina01
      starhina01 29 October 2013 21: 14 New
      +1
      there were firefighters on the video (the Urals with a defoamer) but why so few request one unit per aerodrome? if you urgently need to strengthen it, or not just pi ... hi
    3. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 30 October 2013 05: 20 New
      0
      Quote: PPSh
      The "nose" of the machine

      Actually, this seems to be the CREW CABIN. ROOMS # 1 and # 4 (probably).
  10. Migari
    Migari 29 October 2013 19: 41 New
    +7
    Damn, the bad news, the pilots were great, they took the helicopter away from the houses, although there was an opportunity to eject, they did not use it, I hope everything will be fine with the guys.
  11. evil hamster
    evil hamster 29 October 2013 19: 45 New
    +2
    Apparently someone from the 50th series of BN 51-53 is yellow. Thank God the guys are alive, we will be full enough to be healthy.
    Added: about exactly 52
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 29 October 2013 19: 54 New
      +1
      Judging by the onboard it is him.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 29 October 2013 20: 19 New
        +4
        No, 52. Here he is before the flight.
      2. evil hamster
        evil hamster 29 October 2013 20: 21 New
        +2
        At 62 there is no armor plate on the side windows, look at the video it is clearly visible.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 29 October 2013 20: 50 New
          +1
          Thanks Dim saw.
  12. Dmitriy1975
    Dmitriy1975 29 October 2013 19: 49 New
    +8
    An article in the style of mail.ru, the author is specially for you, the helicopter made an emergency landing, there were no weapons on board, the helicopter does not belong to Moscow Region, the property of OKB im. Kamov, a modification of the KA-52 for the Navy, otherwise write, crashed, a rocket crashed and exploded if you can’t write on this topic and don’t try. Pilots speeding recovery and return to duty!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 October 2013 20: 17 New
      +3
      This helicopter has nothing to do with the Navy and Katran. Just an experienced board OKB Kamov from the installation party.
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 29 October 2013 21: 10 New
        0
        those. not serial? otherwise I can’t find the answer, then overboard something !!!
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 29 October 2013 22: 06 New
          +4
          Installation batch, production of AAK "Progress" serial machine from the first batch
          B / N No.52 (serial number 3538263901002, serial number 01-02)
          B / N No.53 (serial number 3538263901003, serial number 01-03)

          Fell 52 board.
    2. Serg 122
      Serg 122 29 October 2013 23: 07 New
      +7
      And they write and speak! Now on TV they showed a "witness" - so she told the whole country: the helicopter crashed due to the failure of the rear stabilizing propeller! Laughed lo tears ... laughing laughing laughing
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 29 October 2013 23: 42 New
        -1
        Just do not make yourself smarter than others. People do not understand and okay. I will tell you something else. Continuing to fly on propellers is primitive. I’m not talking about all the reasons for this conclusion, but the main thing is that the effective engine power cannot be transferred equivalently to the blades. This is a dead end. Unfortunately, no one wants to hear about turbines with forces compensating the centrifugal process. Such turbines are capable of developing speeds of rotation by orders of magnitude more and be simultaneously both an engine and a mover. This is a real opportunity to make a breakthrough in aviation. The solution to the problem of screw failure lies in the plane of understanding of how the potential is distributed over different radii of rotation of the screw.
        Otherwise, pure flight performance cannot be improved, since everything is at the limit of the proportional dependence of engine power, fuel weight and propeller dimensions.
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 30 October 2013 05: 24 New
          0
          Quote: gridasov
          about turbines with forces compensating the centrifugal process

          Then this is not a helicopter.
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 30 October 2013 10: 04 New
          0
          Continuing to fly on propellers is primitive.

          Yeah. Why, something else has not been invented another way. Except for the rocket engine. And flying "on propellers" in a dense atmosphere is the most economical way. Both the turbojet engine and the turbine engine are the same propeller, only in a different design.
  13. maksim
    maksim 29 October 2013 19: 54 New
    +1
    sorry for the new car and such, fortunately the crew is alive
  14. Fastblast
    Fastblast 29 October 2013 20: 03 New
    +1
    it's good that everyone is alive

    Now the main thing is to identify the malfunction
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 29 October 2013 20: 06 New
      10
      Life News has found out the name of one of the pilots who flew the Ka-52 Alligator military helicopter that crashed in the south-east of Moscow. This is the Honored Test Pilot of the Russian Federation Yuri Timofeev. Yuri Vladimirovich Timofeev, a test pilot with many years of experience, was seriously injured in the fall of the Ka-52 Alligator combat helicopter in Moscow.

      At one time, it was thanks to his high professionalism that the program of the State Security Inspectorate of the Ka-52 combat helicopter, included in the State Defense Order plan for 2012, was completed on time.

      Back in 2011, he was a leading test pilot at the stage of state joint tests on the combat use of on-board weapons of the Ka-52 helicopter.

      During the test flights at the training ground, Timofeev’s crew successfully completed the credited number of launches of guided and unguided missiles, and also hit ground targets from a cannon launcher. Second pilot Vladimir Yurtayev. In the photo, Yuri Timofeev
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 29 October 2013 20: 12 New
        +5
        NTV found out the name of one of the pilots flying a Ka-52 military helicopter that crashed in southeast Moscow. This is Vladimir Yurtaev. It is known about him that he underwent special training at the center for training test pilots. At the moment, doctors are working with Vladimir Yurtayev. After the crash of the Ka-52, in which he flew with another pilot, he was taken at 16:20 to the 36th hospital. At this moment HIS state Doctors evaluate HOW Severe.



        Read more: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/693318/#ixzz2j80EDWOw
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 29 October 2013 20: 12 New
          +4
          I wish the pilots a speedy recovery!
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 29 October 2013 21: 12 New
            +2
            as well as the return to operation, further EXCLUSIVELY a clear sky above your head and soft landing !!!
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 29 October 2013 21: 45 New
        +1
        This golden man is Yuri Timofeev!
    2. Dmitriy1975
      Dmitriy1975 29 October 2013 20: 07 New
      +9
      And the main malfunction is that our country has managers, psychologists and lawyers, engineers either do not, nobody wants to work.
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 29 October 2013 21: 24 New
        +5
        There are engineers, only nobody needs them. The Russian Federation is leading to the slaughter of its industry.
        I spoke with many engineers and ordinary hard workers, the oil and gas industry in it is even less normal, in other areas things are not so good. If you look, then the most popular profession of the Russian Federation 2015 + is managers, with s.p. from 30, for hard workers about the same, so why plow if you can sell the finished product .........

        here is the WTO

        here is an interesting movie too.
        1. Asgard
          Asgard 29 October 2013 23: 38 New
          +6
          This is Yes. Engineers, real and capable of something, and besides, having their own point of view, HAPPY nobody needs, they do not saw "loot" and often interfere ...

          So the helicopter crashed
          The pilots became heroes ...
          Firefighter "Ural" was with a defective blowing agent ...
          Therefore, such damage ....
          And We are worried about the pilots and for "home" generally...

          Pilots of recovery and to get them-REAL DRUGS.
  15. Gronsky
    Gronsky 29 October 2013 20: 06 New
    +7
    Damn, but how to stew! The factory fire fighting equipment is immediately visible.
    And if he fell in the immediate vicinity of other aircraft at the airport, they would also be extinguished with a trickle from a mosquito ...... nose?
    Thank god the pilots are alive. This will greatly help in determining the causes of the emergency.
    1. Fastblast
      Fastblast 29 October 2013 20: 15 New
      +4
      By the way, yes, I also drew attention to how long they had been waiting for the foam and how little it was supplied from the fire truck ...

      Maybe there is someone in the subject, please explain, is this always the case with the supply of foam?
      1. Committee
        Committee 29 October 2013 20: 25 New
        +3
        Usually everything works, I myself saw how in Koltsovo in a gulp of seconds for 15-20 the plane was flooded with foam.
        1. Fastblast
          Fastblast 29 October 2013 20: 37 New
          +4
          then another question arises and most likely not to forum users, why was the equipment not ready for fire fighting?
          1. Realist58
            Realist58 29 October 2013 21: 31 New
            +6
            It used to be a logger for 10 years, but now it’s only a fine and conditional. To strain nakul, to spend the loot on garbage ... and the bosses aren’t enough for the smokers.
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 30 October 2013 05: 27 New
      0
      Thank you for at least such fire fighting equipment. And the techies were not at a loss.
    3. deputy
      deputy 30 October 2013 08: 03 New
      +1
      Judging by the available video, an object fire tanker is working on extinguishing (that is, which is stationed at this facility - the DPD or the fire brigade of the plant). The stock of fire extinguishing agents of this type of equipment during the operation of the GPS-600 foam barrel, which can be seen in the video, lasted a maximum of 8 minutes. Then they extinguished from the motor pump with water, therefore, and "a trickle with a mosquito nose." The EMERCOM divisions are not visible on the video, but the final photographs show that the fire was extinguished precisely with the use of mechanical air foam, therefore, by the EMERCOM divisions that arrived later.
  16. Ahmed Osmanov
    Ahmed Osmanov 29 October 2013 20: 08 New
    +2
    The main thing is the pilots are alive, real men. They say that one is in serious condition, let the relatives hold on to the guy will be alive and well. Well, technology can always be built.
  17. polly
    polly 29 October 2013 20: 11 New
    +5
    The Alligator was piloted by the crew commander, first class test pilot Yuri Timofeev and first class test navigator Vladimir Yurtayev. As the representative of JSC "Kamov" noted, the helicopter crew acted competently.
    Health to you guys!
  18. theadenter
    theadenter 29 October 2013 20: 11 New
    +4
    Faster pilots get better. Until recently, they tried to save the helicopter.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 29 October 2013 21: 58 New
      +3
      Until recently, they tried to save people. Nobody thought about the helicopter.
  19. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 29 October 2013 20: 13 New
    +4
    If the site was not so close to the houses, the pilots would simply catapult and all this heroism would be useless. I wonder who designed it and who allowed the construction, how will they be punished?
    I feel sorry for the pilots, well done guys.
  20. Andreitas
    Andreitas 29 October 2013 20: 13 New
    14
    I live almost next to this helipad, I regularly see test flights of new Alligators. It is surprising that the take-off site is located in the city. Nearby are very close to multi-storey residential buildings. Residents who are tired of the constant roar of helicopters taking off and taking off under their windows. Tired of constant litigation about moving it to another place. And now after this accident, what will they feel, in terms of their safety. After all, the helicopter crashed almost next to the apartment building and kindergarten. Of course, it’s fortunate that the pilots didn’t crash. God grant them good health and a speedy recovery. It’s a miracle that no one died. Although, in essence, this site was built back in Soviet times, when there were no residential buildings nearby. There was a field and a forest. So what the builders of these new buildings were thinking about, erecting their houses near this site, FIG knows.
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 29 October 2013 20: 19 New
      12
      what the builders of these new buildings were thinking about, erecting their houses near this site, figs knows.

      thought of grandmas.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 29 October 2013 20: 22 New
      +3
      Namely, there are no new alligators since 2011 of the year. Only the bureau OKB. Here Ka-32 / Ka-31 / Ka-27M new fly.
    3. Basarev
      Basarev 29 October 2013 22: 00 New
      +1
      They thought about profit, these capital
    4. ale-x
      ale-x 30 October 2013 14: 33 New
      0
      Immediately the question ... Who gave them building permits?
  21. Wedmak
    Wedmak 29 October 2013 20: 13 New
    +4
    Eh. Thank God there are no victims. Well done pilots, I wish them to their feet as soon as possible. And they’ll still collect the car ..
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 29 October 2013 20: 25 New
      +5
      Thank God, the lives of two pilots of the Ka-52 helicopter that crashed on Tuesday afternoon in the Moscow region of Zhulebino are not in danger, but the pilots suffered multiple bruises and fractures when they hit the ground. One of them has a suspicion of a compression fracture of the spine. The condition of both the aircraft commander and the co-pilot is rated as moderate.

      From the message of the Ministry of Health of Russia: “Patients have a moderate state, there is no threat to life. All necessary medical assistance is provided. ”

      Read more: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/693478#ixzz2j83d6b4w
  22. Committee
    Committee 29 October 2013 20: 22 New
    +2
    Again the problem of lashing the blades? Such information has passed. Who knows, is it or not, eyewitnesses? I remember how a few years ago, the chief (?) Designer speaking at a closed meeting said that the problem has not been resolved, and that the main forces of the design bureau have been left to solve it.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 October 2013 20: 35 New
      +8
      There was overlap only once, in an experimental car, which had refinements specially for aerobatics.

      Similar improvements for aerobatics are on the Ka-52 b / n 063, which turned on Max and Le Bourget, but he is alive and well.

      According to the video, the upper blades are intact, the lower ones are ripped off when the soil began to plow. Therefore, overlap is extremely unlikely.

      And yes, all the forces of the design bureau are now thrown at Katran. According to which there is a backlog and the punishment is already promised.
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 29 October 2013 22: 17 New
        +1
        There was one incident, even the video on you tube wandered ... Only there is a ka-50, if my memory serves me right.
        At a hundred meters there was a lashing of the blades during a sharp climb.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 29 October 2013 22: 36 New
          +3
          Yes, the only case on a specially modified board for aerobatics. Vorobiev died. Here is the video. By the way, it can be seen that the screws scattered into chips, and he fell on the bare axis. Unlike the whole screws on the fallen board, the 52 number.

    2. Alex 241
      Alex 241 29 October 2013 20: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: Committee
      Again the problem of lapping the blades

      We will wait when the specialists comment, there’s no sense from the journalists. Everywhere we catapulted! What catapulted if the blades are in place!
      1. igor67
        igor67 29 October 2013 21: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Alex 241
        Quote: Committee
        Again the problem of lapping the blades

        We will wait when the specialists comment, there’s no sense from the journalists. Everywhere we catapulted! What catapulted if the blades are in place!

        Hi Sanya, I probably missed something, on ka52 are the pyrapatrons on the rotor hub?
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 29 October 2013 21: 29 New
          10
          Hi Igor, yes, of course. The system acted as follows: in the event of an unavoidable threat to the life of the pilot (for example, in the event of a failure of any vital on-board system or in the event of damage in a battle in which the helicopter cannot continue flying), the pilot lifts his legs and, holding the catapult's arms, he energetically yanks them up. At this moment, special pyro-cartridges are triggered, which literally interrupt all six rotor blades. In a split second, the blades fly off the helicopter, freeing up space above the pilot’s head. After passing the command to separate the blades by detonating the detonating cord superimposed on the cockpit glazing, the passage is released upwards and the towing rocket is launched, which pulls the seat with the pilot out of the helicopter cockpit. Sensors determine the height, speed and spatial orientation of the chair, after which the rescue parachute is activated. The K-37-800 rocket and parachute system provides pilot rescue in the altitude range from 0 meters to 4 kilometers and at a helicopter speed of 0 to 350 km / h. In fact, in the event of an emergency, the pilot can safely eject from a helicopter standing on the ground.
          1. igor67
            igor67 29 October 2013 21: 34 New
            +3
            Quote: Alex 241
            Hi Igor, yes, of course. The system acted as follows: in the event of an unavoidable threat to the life of the pilot (for example, in the event of a failure of any vital on-board system or in the event of damage in a battle in which the helicopter cannot continue flying), the pilot lifts his legs and, holding the catapult's arms, he energetically yanks them up. At this moment, special pyro-cartridges are triggered, which literally interrupt all six rotor blades. In a split second, the blades fly off the helicopter, freeing up space above the pilot’s head. After passing the command to separate the blades by detonating the detonating cord superimposed on the cockpit glazing, the passage is released upwards and the towing rocket is launched, which pulls the seat with the pilot out of the helicopter cockpit. Sensors determine the height, speed and spatial orientation of the chair, after which the rescue parachute is activated. The K-37-800 rocket and parachute system provides pilot rescue in the altitude range from 0 meters to 4 kilometers and at a helicopter speed of 0 to 350 km / h. In fact, in the event of an emergency, the pilot can safely eject from a helicopter standing on the ground.

            Thank you, Sasha! How much time and pilots died, what would they start to shoot the blades, I wonder how things are on Mi28?
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 29 October 2013 21: 42 New
              +5
              There is no helicopter bailout system on the Mi-28, however, crew members can leave it with parachutes, which involves shooting the rotor blades, emergency reset of the cabin doors and inflating the pneumatic chambers located below the door threshold (to prevent collision with the landing gear).
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 29 October 2013 21: 46 New
                +4
                The layout of the combat helicopter Mi-28Н

                1-tail gear; 2-flashing beacon; 3 stabilizer; 4 angle gear; 5 transmission shaft; 6 antenna of the communication system; 7 antenna of satellite navigation system; 8 antenna of the communication system; 9 container with jammer; 10-screen-exhaust device; 11 wing; 12-APU AI-9В; 13- TVD TVZ-117ВМА; 14 air filter; 15 over-the-body radar HO-25; 16-main gearbox; 17 cockpit door (open); 18-pneumatic gangway for emergency exit; 19 rotor blade; 20 pilot seat; 21-indicator on the windshield; 22 operator seat; 23-compartment of electronic equipment; 24 retractable headlight; 25-tube LDPE; 26-angle of attack and slip sensors; 27-tube LDPE; 28-fairing antenna guidance system UR; 29 thermal imaging system; 30 gyro-stabilized platform; 31-gun installation NPPU-28Н; 32 footrest; 33-main landing gear; 34 fuel tank; 35 ATGM Attack; 36-NAR S-8 with various warheads; 37, 38 block NAR B8В-20; 39 launchers of the UR "air-to-air" "Needle"; 40 package of transport and launch containers ATGM ATAK; 41-transport and launch container ATGM "Attack"; 42-NAR S-13 with different warheads; 43 block NAR B-13L; 44-tail landing gear; 45 steering screw
              2. tomket
                tomket 29 October 2013 22: 03 New
                +1
                it’s interesting, for example, the seat and the chyssy design will save the pilots in case of failure at an altitude of 20 meters, I mean the X-NUMX, but if there was an accident at an altitude of 28-60 meters, will there be enough time for the pilot to complete all the manipulations to leave the helicopter with a parachute? ?? it’s not a fighter of the times of war, when the lantern was dropped, the plane turned over, you unfastened your belts and you were saved, and if the pilot is also injured, well, or just the moment of any overloads or rotations, it’s so doubtful to me that the catapult is more reliable, at least in psychological terms.
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 29 October 2013 22: 20 New
                  +2
                  It is unlikely that the helicopter will fall like a stone, yet the main rotor has some "tendencies" to autorotation. The helicopter itself is armored, it is not easy to interrupt anything important. Well, but accidents, a "successful" missile hit ... alas, anything can happen.
                  You can also wrap yourself off the stairs so that you break your arms and legs.
                  1. igor67
                    igor67 29 October 2013 22: 35 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    It is unlikely that the helicopter will fall like a stone, yet the main rotor has some "tendencies" to autorotation. The helicopter itself is armored, it is not easy to interrupt anything important. Well, but accidents, a "successful" missile hit ... alas, anything can happen.
                    You can also wrap yourself off the stairs so that you break your arms and legs.

                    As the production master told us: the helicopter falls with stone. (about 24ku), although the helicopter is armored, it’s not a tank, and you can kill something important, depending on what you think is important, for example, a pilot is important to me, so cars came from Afghanistan, breaking the side from the bottom under the pilot, heavy machine gun, the pilot naturally died, armor from the sides,
                2. evil hamster
                  evil hamster 29 October 2013 22: 42 New
                  +1
                  Well, somewhere with a 50m Mi28 fell in 2009, as far as I know, the pilots were not injured, the board was restored.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 29 October 2013 22: 54 New
                    0
                    The crew commander then died. And it was in 2011 in the Stavropol Territory
                    1. evil hamster
                      evil hamster 30 October 2013 00: 10 New
                      -1
                      No, I'm talking about the fall due to surging in 2009 emnip in the moulineaux at the show / exercise
                  2. igor67
                    igor67 29 October 2013 22: 55 New
                    +3
                    Quote: evil hamster
                    Well, somewhere with a 50m Mi28 fell in 2009, as far as I know, the pilots were not injured, the board was restored.

                    Well, different things when they knock down a car in a battle and it falls from a decent height, or as it was the same with us on a crucifix .... they didn’t connect outboard fuel tanks (as I don’t remember, they probably swelled) the car sat down hard with 50 meters, but without problems, but pilots die more often from hitting the ground, the meat comes off the bones, but it’s better to talk about the good, in this situation the pilots are great, a speedy recovery
                3. Avenger711
                  Avenger711 30 October 2013 01: 19 New
                  0
                  Helicopter bailout is dangerous due to the scattering of the blades that have been shot, and the process itself, although the prospects for landing are also extremely hopeless.
              3. Avenger711
                Avenger711 29 October 2013 22: 05 New
                +1
                More precisely, the Ka-50/52 is the only helicopter with a catapult.
            2. Misantrop
              Misantrop 29 October 2013 21: 48 New
              +2
              Quote: igor67
              How much time and pilots died, what would begin to shoot the blades
              The system of shooting the blades of a helicopter in the air was first tested by Yu. Garnaev on a Mi-1 helicopter
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 29 October 2013 21: 54 New
                +3
                A unique experiment on the shooting of the rotor blades on the Mi-4
                Test Pilot Yu.A. Garnayev leaves the Mi-4 helicopter before firing the blades
                A little clarification on the Mi-4
                1. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 29 October 2013 22: 08 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  A little clarification on the Mi-4
                  I read about it while still a schoolboy. And from no side is a helicopter pilot ... request
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 29 October 2013 22: 12 New
                    0
                    Quote: Misantrop
                    And from no side is a helicopter pilot

                    In what sense?
                    1. Misantrop
                      Misantrop 29 October 2013 22: 17 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      In what sense?
                      In the air garrison, where he grew up, there were Tupolev cars and the An-2 staff. But in Gadzhievo, where he served, there was nothing more from aircraft, only submarines. So I didn’t have a chance to feel live either, nor to communicate closely with helicopter pilots request
              2. igor67
                igor67 29 October 2013 21: 54 New
                +1
                Quote: Misantrop
                Quote: igor67
                How much time and pilots died, what would begin to shoot the blades
                The system of shooting the blades of a helicopter in the air was first tested by Yu. Garnaev on a Mi-1 helicopter

                But the main Mi24 was not, only the cockpit door was shot back, and the operator, although the operator is the worst, he also has a tail rotor
    3. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 29 October 2013 20: 52 New
      0
      Something I'm not sure that they will tell you so that the problem has not been solved (((
  23. Black
    Black 29 October 2013 20: 33 New
    -3
    Why are tests of an experimental machine not going over Red Square?
    I do not understand...
    1. theadenter
      theadenter 29 October 2013 20: 38 New
      +1
      I don’t understand, do you want more victims of chtoli?
    2. Alex 241
      Alex 241 29 October 2013 20: 41 New
      +2
      In this case, your sarcasm is inappropriate.
      1. Black
        Black 29 October 2013 22: 33 New
        +2
        And if the device crashed into a high-rise building, would it be appropriate ??
        Since when do we have shortages in sparsely populated places !?
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 29 October 2013 22: 47 New
          +7
          This site has been located there since 1964, and address questions to the administration, who gave permission for the development.
    3. alone
      alone 29 October 2013 20: 52 New
      0
      I propose to test experimental cars over your house. Then I’ll understand why the tests do not take place on the Red Square.
      1. Black
        Black 29 October 2013 22: 31 New
        +2

        Here I am about the same thing - in Russia there are few places to test them? The outskirts of Moscow- landfill ???
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 October 2013 22: 38 New
          +2
          Move to a new one. After a year, they will build high-rise buildings around them and begin to resent loudly and demand a new transfer.
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 30 October 2013 00: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            Move to a new one. After a year, they will build high-rise buildings around them and begin to resent loudly and demand a new transfer.

            Even earlier they will start screaming that they closed the test center, all specialists were fired, etc.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 30 October 2013 10: 33 New
              0
              By the way, now one of the motor design bureaus and production is moving from Moscow. Precisely because they cannot work normally, comply with emission standards, logistics to the city, etc. On this topic, I only saw 4 or 5 programs on the topic "Everything is lost! The oldest plant has been destroyed !!!", plus articles without counting. And this despite the fact that they make the move to a ready-made, built site and hope to release the same number of products in 2014 as in 2013, and from 2015 to increase the output by 20%.

              It will be the same if the platform will be transported to a thread away.
        2. pv1005
          pv1005 30 October 2013 00: 56 New
          0
          Yes, all around Moscow there are solid polygons. Didn't you know that?
  24. Kiliny
    Kiliny 29 October 2013 20: 42 New
    +5
    Guys are real Heroes !!! One must be proud of such!
    1. polly
      polly 29 October 2013 22: 42 New
      +2
      Now they write that the navigator has already proved himself a hero for the second time!

      "The navigator of the helicopter that crashed on Tuesday, October 29, on the outskirts of Moscow, Vladimir Yurtaev, almost died 11 years ago during the test of the Su-25. As it became known to" Komsomolskaya Pravda ", the incident occurred in 1994 near Krasnodar.
      Yurtaev, together with pilot Vladimir Voronov, made a planned flight of the Su-25 attack aircraft at the Krasnodar-Central airfield. The flight proceeded normally, but suddenly the system reported "Right engine fire." The crew made a decision to land. The right engine had to be turned off, but the plane suddenly began to tumble to the right, going towards the city. The control stick, no matter how the pilots pulled it, froze in one position. The plane urgently lost altitude. And only at the very last moment the crew managed to deflect the left pedal with their feet and lead the attack aircraft away from the houses. Before hitting the ground, there were only a few hundred meters. Yurtaev and Voronov managed to catapult literally a moment before the explosion. Who knows how many lives the pilots saved then.
      However, the newspapers did not write about this case then. And the pilots were arrested for explanatory. Although later the special commission acknowledged that the crew acted in a highly professional manner. "
      http://www.kp.ru/daily/26151/3040832/
  25. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 29 October 2013 20: 49 New
    +3
    Why the hell with this helicopter, are the pilots alive? - and this is the most important thing, we’ll assume that it crashed for good luck to a long and successful career)) Who doesn’t happen to? Although whom am I kidding? The car is also a pity.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 29 October 2013 22: 05 New
      +2
      A machine is just a piece of iron. You can still configure darkness.
  26. Brother
    Brother 29 October 2013 21: 01 New
    +1
    They say that in 95% of cases, such an emergency occurs due to the human factor, if so, then these pilots completely atoned for their mistake by taking the combat vehicle away from residential buildings.
  27. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 29 October 2013 21: 03 New
    +5
    A speedy recovery to the pilots !!!
    Now this is the most important thing.
    And of course, I wish you a successful medical examination to return to flight.
    The helicopter is destroyed, but this happens in life.
    Thank God they themselves survived!
  28. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 29 October 2013 21: 06 New
    +3
    Quote: Andreitas
    Although, in essence, this site was built back in Soviet times, when there were no residential buildings nearby. There was a field and a forest. So what the builders of these new buildings were thinking about, erecting their houses near this site, FIG knows.

    Previously, everything was envisaged and there were even civil defense standards by which the construction of cities was carried out. Now nobody cares - the main benefit. The closer the house, the less communication. In general, the pilots were lucky, and I think the reason will not be found out soon, but specifically, so that there would be no repetitions. Yes, and the issue of the transfer must be decided.
  29. starhina01
    starhina01 29 October 2013 21: 29 New
    +2
    Pilots pleased immediately seen real men do not throw technology good
  30. Avenger711
    Avenger711 29 October 2013 22: 06 New
    +1
    And then it turns out that the expensive equipment was destroyed, and the pilots in the hospital only because some ghoul did not really tighten the nut for 10 rubles.
    1. alexander 2
      alexander 2 30 October 2013 03: 10 New
      0
      In Soviet times, there was control and responsibility, and this nut would have been found before the flight. The ghoul would have been kicked out, and his boss would have been deprived of the bonus. Now they will find the "switchman", they will be punished approximately, but there was no control, and the helicopters, as they fell, will remain fall.
  31. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 29 October 2013 22: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: dzhan
    If you develop this logic, then every driver who crashed his car, but did not kill people while jumping out, for example, at a bus stop, deserves state awards.

    Now (unfortunately) the drivers are half of the country and many, having bought a license and having left for a year, feel like professionals. And if someone is lucky, then really compare them with professionals, and I know more than one case when skill saved lives on the roads. You "-" and for tl that compared test pilots with ordinary drivers.
  32. Black
    Black 29 October 2013 22: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: lonely
    I suggest to test experimental cars over your house

    I do not live on the outskirts of Moscow ... others live ... what is above their house is nothing?
  33. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 29 October 2013 22: 47 New
    +3
    The helicopter was experienced and this gives hope that this will not happen again on production machines.
    Thank God the men are alive !!! It infuriates that many magazines are already yelling, how is it why a helicopter is in the city. Yes, not in the city, but on the territory of the experimental airfield of the Kamov Design Bureau, it is there a long time ago and the airfield too. It’s just that our bureaucrats quietly built up the surrounding territory .
    In violation of all conceivable standards. But we have already done this in Irkutsk, Chelyabinsk and Voronezh. Now people are demanding the closure of air bases, design bureaus and factories. Of course, you can understand them, but you won’t put the airbase in your pocket. Thank God we haven’t gotten to Lipetsk yet, but maybe they’re already picking up. Though the 52K program wouldn’t get up !!
  34. SkyMaXX
    SkyMaXX 29 October 2013 22: 55 New
    +3
    Shocked by what happened. In general, the admiration for the Ka-52 helicopter is so great with me that it is for me almost a god in the world of helicopters. And when an accident happened to him, it hit me. By the way, this is the second such case. For the first time this was in my opinion due to the fact that the crew lost spatial orientation when the helicopter flew in very snowy weather. The crew survived, but was injured.
    What is just noticeable is that the helicopter is quite reliable, especially since the helicopter has seats that absorb the energy of the fall. In general, Kamov’s helicopters are very reliable, thank God accidents are very rare, by the way I don’t remember that there were disasters with losses, although I remembered Major General Boris Vorobyov crashed on the Ka-50 in 1998.
    1. SkyMaXX
      SkyMaXX 29 October 2013 23: 28 New
      0
      Oh shit, I'm lying! Last year, it turns out the crew died. They were seriously injured and could not be saved by doctors. But still, I will say that the Kama helicopters are much more reliable than the helicopters of the classical scheme.
  35. kundyshev
    kundyshev 29 October 2013 22: 56 New
    +2
    LETCHIK AND FRONT AVIATION just Conscientiously did their job !!!
    Happy Holidays !!!
    A state of emergency is and will always be, because. absolutely reliable technology is not and cannot be.
    Health to you, the Pilots, who survived "in execution" ... and the sky "... a million to a million .."
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 29 October 2013 23: 03 New
      +4
      In memory of the crew of the Ka-52 ("Alligator") helicopter that crashed near Torzhok on 12.03.12. ...
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 30 October 2013 00: 02 New
        +5
        Looking at night, at least one good news: on October 28 in Komsomolsk-on-Amur the first flight of the next model of the fifth generation T50 multirole fighter took place. The plane, piloted by a 1st-class test pilot, was in the air for about an hour. According to the developers, the flight, during which the stability of the machine and the operation of the systems was checked, went in full accordance with the task. The next stage of the tests will be held at the aerodrome near Moscow in Zhukovsky.
      2. svp67
        svp67 30 October 2013 00: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: Alex 241
        Ka-52 ("Alligator"), crashed

        Alexander hi
        What's wrong with "52", so many accidents, "50" didn't seem to "fall ..."
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 30 October 2013 00: 14 New
          +2
          Seryozha, I will express my opinion, all this is the result of "reforming", but by the simple murder of the army, okay in Torzhok, the guys ended up in the SMU, a hard landing, Serezha was looking for them for almost half a day, think about it, the car that fell 10 km from the airfield was looking for so much time. the moment the navigator was found was alive, he died on the way to the hospital.
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 30 October 2013 10: 24 New
          +1
          Ka-50 was 6 pieces, Ka-52 is already 40. Two flown up, Ka-50 on average flew less.

          Well, accident rate:
          Ka-50 - 1 thing, the board of Vorobyov specially modified for aerobatics, at supercritical mode, the lashing of the blades.
          Ka-52 - 2 pieces, the 99 board crashed into an obstacle when flying to SMU at low altitude. The 52 board has fallen so far now, the reasons are unclear.
  36. shpuntik
    shpuntik 30 October 2013 00: 30 New
    +1
    "The helicopter appeared from behind a 9-storey building, revolved around its axis, and then disappeared behind another house. We heard the screws hitting the ground ..."

    The heroic act was committed by pilots, not catapulted. May the Lord help to recover ...
    The new helicopter crashed, it is necessary to find the reason. Guilty to punish.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 30 October 2013 01: 23 New
      +3
      Bacchanalia has already begun, damn it, there isn’t enough evil: Causes of the crash of the Ka-52 helicopter in the metropolitan area of ​​Zhulebino could be caused by technical problems and crew error. This was reported by Interfax with reference to the official representative of the Moscow Interregional Investigation Department of Transport Tatyana Morozova.

      Previously, she spoke about the discovery of the black box. According to unconfirmed reports, a fragment of the flight recorder record appeared on the Web. According to the published audio material, the senior pilot handed over the control of the machine to his colleague, the “novice”.

      Here is this file: http: //files.radioscanner.ru/files/download/file16215/62205.mp3, I just want to ask Tatyana Morozova: Lady, do you know that the callsign is at the Novichek Kamov site? And how many more noodles are there for us? are you going to hang? !!!! Ah Morozova!
  37. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 30 October 2013 03: 01 New
    0
    maybe they had a problem with fixing the blades? After all, as I understand it on ka 52 (ship), the main difference is the folding blades.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 30 October 2013 10: 29 New
      +1
      Only one trouble, the same ship with folding blades is still going to Progress. The 52 board is old and was used in the small experimental work of the Design Bureau. Without any folding of the blades and other major modifications.

      The ship's subject involved the 061 helicopter design bureau Kamov. But there is work on the little things and data capture.
  38. STAS72
    STAS72 30 October 2013 04: 05 New
    +1
    glory to the Russian people !!!!! - only they can sacrifice themselves for the sake of humanity.
    so even the gods do not.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwSLHCXv2tc
  39. Breard
    Breard 30 October 2013 04: 09 New
    -3
    Helicopter ... collected at the same factory as the torches for the Olympic Games ...
    1. IgorND
      IgorND 30 October 2013 06: 45 New
      0
      No, torches at Krasmash did ...
  40. Unisonic
    Unisonic 30 October 2013 04: 58 New
    +3
    It’s sad that he fell, but the main thing is that people survived. And they’ll collect another piece of iron. In the past crash of the Ka-52, fate was not so supportive of the pilots.
  41. awg75
    awg75 30 October 2013 08: 05 New
    +2
    I believe that Muscovites or even those who consider themselves decent people should put a monument to the pilots. just imagine that they catapulted and the car would fall uncontrollably --- how many troubles it could cause .... these PEOPLE with a capital letter really risked their lives for you
  42. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 30 October 2013 08: 31 New
    0
    Kind! Pilots early amendments and return to heaven! Well done guys, the area is very dangerous in terms of air crashes! They did everything right! Sorry for the bird!
  43. Analyst
    Analyst 30 October 2013 09: 35 New
    +2
    Get well soon guys.
    They are real HEROES OF RUSSIA.
    1. air wolf
      air wolf 30 October 2013 10: 35 New
      +2
      They simply performed their work, there is no heroism.
      1. Analyst
        Analyst 30 October 2013 11: 39 New
        +4
        Quote: air wolf
        They simply performed their work, there is no heroism.

        Take the helicopter away from the residential area and by the way there is a kindergarten nearby
        At the cost of his life, THIS IS NOT HEROISM !?
  44. air wolf
    air wolf 30 October 2013 10: 33 New
    -9
    Gentlemen! am I don’t understand at all what the conversation is about, but the pilots were lucky that they didn’t burn out, the onlookers didn’t die. But the reason will be established quickly, since the ARPA ("black box") is available, and to guess what the reason was and to listen to the pilot's delirium that something went wrong, I consider it complete nonsense. Because all parameters of devices, etc. are recorded (thousands of indicators). There it is possible to determine by the oscillation of the RU (control stick) which pulse the pilot had.
    In general, the heck was to start the development of the KA 50-52, the same ka-29 performs the same functions, it would be better if it was modernized. The Ka-52 as well as the Mi-28 are simply not needed, the Mi-24M and Ka-29M are all the same for only less money!
    1. ded10041948
      ded10041948 30 October 2013 12: 14 New
      +5
      And why was it necessary to develop into people? The monkeys had stones and food. So we would have lived for ourselves, otherwise "evolution, development"!
  45. shark
    shark 30 October 2013 12: 01 New
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    Recovery pilots! What they did is called a simple word-feat!