Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs shows interest in French MIDS and PVP armored vehicles

As reported by 24 on October 2013, the ARMS-TASS agency, the Russian Interior Ministry will test two French armored vehicles to ensure internal security. This instruction was given by Interior Minister Vladimir Kolokoltsev after inspecting the exposure of the French company Renault Truck Defense [Renault Truck Defense - the division of Renault Truck, currently part of the Volvo Group - bmpd] at the Interpolitech-2013 international security exhibition ".

As the ARMS-TASS correspondent was told at the stand of the French company, the attention of the head of the Interior Ministry was attracted by two armored cars presented at the stand of the Renault Truck Difsence. This is a multifunctional commander armored car for the transport of prisoners MIDS with a wheel formula 4х4 and a multifunctional armored car for patrolling and tracking PVP AVP, also created on the chassis with a wheel formula 4 XX4.

Police armored car Renault Truck Defense MIDS in the exhibition "Interpolitech-2013"

According to the director of business development in Eastern Europe, Central Asia and the Caucasus, the French company Sophia Fuletier, both armored cars on display in Moscow will return to France after the exhibition, and then after certain improvements and preparations they will come to Russia again to undergo tests Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. The tests will be carried out according to a program developed by the specialists of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and agreed with the French developer. The duration of the test has not yet been determined, but it may take one month.

The MIDS armored car with a wheel formula 4х4 has a mass of 14 tons, a crew of four and 12 people. personnel, equipped with an engine power 280 hp

The PVP APC armored car has a mass of 5,5 t, including the payload mass of 1 t, and a crew of 4-5 people. Develops speed 110 km / h, equipped with a hp 160 turbo diesel engine.

Police version of Panhard PVP APC light armored car (Renault Truck Defense) at the Le Bourget Air Show (France), 23.06.2011. The PVP was originally developed by Auverland, a French company that was part of the Peugeot group, but in 2005, Auverland was acquired from Panhard by Peugeot. In turn, at the end of 2012, Panhard itself was acquired by Renault Truck Defense along with the entire product line (c) Michael Kelly

Comments

[Xroft]

Well, this is ridiculous, we have analogues that are ready and require break-in .. not long ago, only the article was about it.

[Edward72]

I agree with you, this is a complete madhouse.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

. the pitches are full! patriots aphids ...

[Rustam]

Xroft
Well, this is ridiculous, we have analogues that are ready and require break-in

Which analogues? In more detail can be heard

in Panard, this is a question-there are Tigers, Wolves and Scorpions (you need to look), but I will tell you in terms of ergonomics and convenience Panard is ahead of the 3 indicated samples, I was convinced personally

MIDS - Actually, this is not an auto-order
and an excellent replacement for Pazikam in the city, it’s also suitable for actions in the city in the North Caucasus (or zhurnalyugi saw the grilles on the windows, immediately recorded in the auto-locker, yes they differ in intelligence and co-reliability), everything is perfect in it, nothing superfluous, ease of landing and everything is ergonomic

[Lopatov]

Not perfect. The door to the ramp is not enough, like KamAZ. And the coating of the ramp is not for our realities - it will be slippery in the cold, but with snow, slush

[bask]

Quote: Rustam

MIDS - Actually, this is not an auto-order

Exactly, an autosack.

Quote: Spade

Not perfect.

And I agree with this, it would be better to buy a license or make a joint venture with South Africa (Paramout Group)
and launched the release of 4 ideal models, "Mamba, Marader, Matador, Maverick"

t ;. Cry..

[ivshubarin]

South Africa is the founder of Mrap. Good cars

[timer]

Yes, we do not need to conclude any joint ventures and spend expensive time on it - I am 100% sure that our designers create, at least, no worse technique of this kind, and maybe even better. And in general, to allow the production of arms and equipment for internal needs (not for export) of law enforcement agencies together with foreigners (and even friends with our worst enemies) is criminal myopia, and I will not be afraid of term wrecking!

[MilaPhone]

Quote: Spade

And the coating of the ramp is not for our realities - it will be slippery in the cold, but with snow, slush

The ramp is not a problem.
In general, an amazingly thought out thought-out car for the riot police.

[Mikado]

I am embarrassed by his clearance, he will sit on our roads

[Xroft]

http://topwar.ru/35128-vnutrennie-voyska-v-2014-godu-poluchat-pervuyu-partiyu-no

voy-bronemashiny.html
Add projects * Highlander * * Damask steel * etc. about 10 different cars, if not more with modifications.

[Rustam]

Xroft Add projects * Highlander * * Damask steel

and what’s good about these uncomfortable fools ?, closely and uncomfortable - they are completely unsuitable for the city in my opinion

[Xroft]

and what is more convenient than MIDS? armchairs? The question is price, reliability, repair of suitability, etc. These are machines not for military operations, if you want something in the Caucasus, you need to take * Typhoon * and its analogues.

[Rustam]

Xroft
and what is more convenient than MIDS? armchairs

In MIDSE-no seats, watch the video above

I repeat (MIDS) for the city — and not for movement on mountain roads — for this we need with a mine guard

But PANARD PVP APC - a good option - for the convenience and comfort of our Tigers and Scorpions behind

[bask]

Quote: Rustam

And here is the PANARD PVP APC-

Panard PVP APC, a model developed in 2002, that is, 11 years ago (outdated model).
It was created on the chassis of the Daimler-Chrysler 4/4 cross-country vehicle) and has a five-door body made of steel armor, which provides anti-bullet and anti-fragmentation protection for the crew.
The OM612 DE 27 LA diesel engine with a capacity of 156 l / s and the agro-industrial complex are installed.
It was supposed to use an armored car ... in reconnaissance units as a command post vehicle, an ambulance, repair and recovery vehicle.
The internal net volume of the body is 3,6 m3.
And to our policemen, brneavto ... created for the special forces-military.
We ordered then Panard VBCI 6/6, with mine protection, ballistic protection STANAG 4b.
Panar VBCI, 6/6 multi-purpose armored vehicle.

[zvereok]

Those who offer more rollback will order.

PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?

[bask]

Quote: zvereok

PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?

Not when, under the current government.
And what now, they began to cut less ?????

[Manager]

Quote: Rustam

and what’s good about these uncomfortable fools ?, closely and uncomfortable - they are completely unsuitable for the city in my opinion

and still repair

[bask]

Quote: Rustam

and what’s good about these uncomfortable fools ?, closely and uncomfortable - they are completely unsuitable for the city in my opinion

Rustam, here's another armored shuttle bus "Saforan" Israel, created specifically for actions in the building. (In the photo, no, I'm dad.pof ... ) Cry..

[Alex 241]

KShM R-142NSA.

Communication equipment complex P-144MSN "Maloletok".

"Armored bus" for internal troops of the 5th security class Ural-VV and the interior of its passenger cabin.

KShM R-145BMA based on the "Tiger".

Armored personnel carrier of increased security KamAZ-63969 "Typhoon".

Hello Andrew. Interpolitech 2013: cars.

[bask]

Quote: Alex 241

.Interpolitech-2013: cars.

Hi Sash, yesterday we discussed the Ural 4320VV. (To put it mildly, not a very car).
Typhoons do not buy again, why did so many $$$ go into their development?

[Rustam]

bask
Rustam is another armored van

Hi, yes, it wasn’t an autopack at the Polytechnic University, but for transporting personnel and loopholes, there were niches under them for securing weapons

Not a version for the transportation of detainees, can be done with cells, etc.

Lopatov
Not perfect. Doors in the ramp are missing

but this green version of what was at the Polytechnic was not the one that in the video with the lowering ramp falling down, rear doors and side steps and side doors do not automatically open from the button, but the handle with the lock

bask
made a joint venture with South Africa (Paramout Group)

Yes, your love for YUAROVSKY things

Mauritius, a good way, won in Brazil for the supply of special detachment BOPP (RIO) the tiger and some other apparatus

here for you and other photos (MAVERICK) in the colors of the Rio police (Bopp) the quality is really not very, but still a valuable photo in my collection (clickable)

[Lopatov]

Wouldn't it be easier for riot police to allocate money so that they themselves, according to their requirements, sawed cars from a Russian manufacturer? There are many booking firms, they have experience. They can prepare a car at any base, from "Pazik" to "KamAZ"

I don’t think it’s necessary "ugly but monotonous"

[bask]

Quote: Rustam

here for you and other photos (MAVERICK) in the colors of the Rio police (Bopp) the quality is really not very, but still a valuable photo in my collection (clickable)

Hi Rustam, in the faunas of Rio, to fight, we need a strong car.
And what about the SMP-2,, Tiger ,,, the Brazilians (police) did not buy it like that?
On tests in Brazil, 2011
(http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru).

[Rustam]

Lopatov Isn't it easier for the riot police to allocate money so that they can cut out cars from a Russian manufacturer for their own requirements?

Believe me, I’ve cut it out against the order of VV - a monster called 4320-VV - I smeared them there near this unit,are mooing (well, you understand)

bask And what about SMP-2,, Tiger ,,, the Brazilians (police) didn’t buy it like that?

No bro, didn’t buy-bought Maverick (South Africa) photo you saw
fot you photo from shelling of the Tiger in Brazil

[Lopatov]

Quote: Rustam

Believe me, no, I saw it against the order of VV- a monster called 4320-VV

Well, this is a large series. When they are made in the amount of several copies, but under the control of the customer, it usually comes out much better. Somewhat more expensive, but cheaper than purchases in France. Riot police are also different. Some do not leave the asphalt, others regularly have to call in all sorts of dirt.

[Rustam]

Lopatov
Riot police are also different.

The riot police are different, but I’m saying the Ministry of Foreign Affairs for the city, don’t forget about the opera regiments and wild companies in every air traffic control, and there is nothing besides the Paziks



Let's wait, the man said, but you can say anything

Vaughn Shoigu said in winter to conduct a test between Iveco and the Tiger - where is the test?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Rustam

Vaughn Shoigu said in winter to conduct a test between Iveco and the Tiger - where is the test?

You cannot test non-existent

[bask]

Quote: Rustam

Vaughn Shoigu said in winter to conduct a test between Iveco and the Tiger - where is the test?

And most importantly, where is the test for undermining SMP-3,, Bear ,,?
In my opinion, a good car turned out, but for some reason they do not buy it again.
Not one, a test for undermining. Only ,, Protection ,, undermined their own.
And this is one of the most important indicators.

Here is a French, modern multi-purpose armor .., VBHP Aravis from NEXTER
Modern high-security multi-purpose armored car ...

[fedorovith]

The IVECO-TIGER test was carried out in Bronnitsy, in yotube there is nothing to do there.

[Lopatov]

The Tiger-6A, ready for testing, exists only in the promises of the developers. So the "IVECO-TIGER test" cannot be carried out due to the lack of a competitor for "Lynx".

[bask]

Quote: Spade

I don’t think it’s necessary "ugly but monotonous"

This is a way out, for the Ministry of Internal Affairs VV, this can be allowed. Both the reservation and the anti-mine bomb.
Private firm, LLC MZ "Tonar" (Moscow region) They make the coolest trailers, developed a mining dump truck - TONAR-4525 with rear unloading.
Payload - 45 t
Net weight - 22 t
Engine WEICHAI WD 12.375, 375 l / s.
If you give them an order, they’ll make an armored car ... and not some kickbacks.

Quote: Rustam

No bro, didn’t buy-bought Maverick (South Africa) photo you saw

Thanks for the info .. But how much noise and dust was in the media.

[waisson]

I agree with the topic, I wanted to propose it, it’s a shame if we don’t have everything ...... and the best things are with them and on the other hand the police are allowed to purchase and uniform soon our policemen will wear Amer’s baseball caps and Hawaiian shorts and flip flops

[Pimply]

Safaron is quite different.

[Xroft]

Chassis resembles ZILok

[Setrac]

Quote: Rustam

but I will tell you in terms of ergonomics and convenience Panard is ahead of 3

For the convenience of living, France is far ahead of Russia, so go live in France, the climate is milder there. But for some reason you live in Russia despite its harsh climate.

[Rustam]

Setrac
so go live in France, the climate is milder there, for some reason you live in Russia despite its harsh climate.

But right now, what have you said?

Or do you consider our military and police (like some designers) cattle and robots? or how ? And why, then, does the price of these samples (I really don’t know which ones you compare with the same Ministry of Foreign Affairs) come from the world leaders? But for some reason, why is there no quality, maybe because of the threats, to lose orders and to be left with nothing?

But where do I live and where do I go, I will try to figure it out without you

[Setrac]

Quote: Rustam

But right now, what have you said?

Quote: Rustam

But where do I live and where do I go, I will try to figure it out without you

In Russia, Russian technology has an advantage, in France - French. If you want to serve in French technology, you will have to go to the French army. And instead of seeing the meaning in my words, you amuse your wounded pride.

Quote: Rustam

Or do you consider our military and police (like some designers) cattle and robots? or how ?

A soldier must endure the hardships and deprivations of military service.

Quote: Rustam

And why, then, does the price of these samples (I really don’t know which ones you compare with the same mid-ground) come from world leaders?

This has been chewed repeatedly, why in countries with a mild climate goods are cheaper, let the listener hear.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Xroft

we have analogues that are ready and require break-in.

The next article will be about the purchase in Germany or Italy of new super-duper police batons.

[LaGlobal]

Quote: Xroft

Well this is ridiculous, we have analogues that are ready

Along the way, Shoigu is not enough, now at the Ministry of Internal Affairs!

[Siberian German]

if you take a couple of copies as the Chinese - to roll and then use the data obtained for our cars, then I

[Klibanophoros]

I never get tired of repeating: the French military-industrial complex are great masters of bribes, because their main buyers are the countries of Africa and Indochina, underdeveloped and corrupt. It is a pity that Russia appeared in their cohort.
Where there is a French order - look for bribes.

[densh]

If we study the history of Franco-Russian military cooperation, then the word CORRUPTION has been closely associated with it since imperial times.

[APASUS]

Quote: Xroft

Well, this is ridiculous, we have analogues that are ready and require break-in .. not long ago, only the article was about it.

And you read another curious piece from the text

both armored vehicles on display in Moscow after the end of the exhibition will first return to France, and then, after some refinements and preparations, will again arrive in Russia to undergo tests by the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation

[Reasonable, 2,3]

These cattle hesitated with their kickbacks. With "Iveco" it only subsided, and again 25.

[timer]

This tupogoltsev needs to be tapped on the head for the fact that he does not do what he owes his duties. In Russia, crime goes off scale, and he chooses foreign cars. Kretin, and only only. In Russia there should be a clear law-VS and other law enforcement agencies equipped only with domestic equipment. And the point. And even in the case of (rare) if there is no such technique so far, give the designers a task to invent it. And those who desire a foreign technique, let them think in prison bunkers.

[alone]

kill, but still I do not believe that Russia is unable to create such machines.
personally for me, this is an ordinary cut dough.

[RBLip]

drank bablooooo yourself for joy! someone clearly haunted by Taburetkin’s laurels ....

[kris]

Quote: RBLip

drank bablooooo yourself for joy! someone clearly haunted by Taburetkin’s laurels ....

they are even trickier.
and cut the loot and try to protect yourself from the anger of the Russian people.

[avt]

Quote: RBLip

whether bablooooo myself a joy! someone clearly haunted by Taburetkin’s laurels ....

That's yes, in general - "it was wet on the wood, start over." The renoshniks from the Kaluga assembly money brought in the campaign, and again at the VAZ there was a decline in sales and FRAMOS, in the place of the killed AZLKA, also wants to lean against the budget, but here they really have rookery is pecking, not Eldorado, but enough for caviar.

[ivshubarin]

AvtoVAZ is part of the RENO-NISSAN concern, so they have long leaned against the budget

[svp67]

Russian Interior Ministry will test two French armored vehicles to ensure internal security

The phrase is not clear - from whom or what is the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs going to "defend itself internally"?
And the test news is in principle POSITIVE. we’ll test, see what is interesting and demanding attention there and you look our KAMAZ, UralAZ or GAZ will offer the same or better ...

[bask]

Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs shows interest in French MIDS and PVP armored vehicles

Quote: svp67

from whom or what is the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs going to "defend itself internally"?

Of course, from us (not armed ordinary citizens), if such purchases are made. These are armored cars, not for a war in the mountains, where there is a mine and IEDs, suicide bombers, at every step.

You still forgot about the frog Panar, to which the MO has already shown interest

Sawing .. Sawing .. theft of state money continues under the guise of re-equipping the army and other government agencies.
Panhard VBL, it hurts too ancient armored car. We are being sucked in by the Papuans of their Africa.

[ivshubarin]

Lives the business of Serdyukov

[makarov]

To show interest and buy products are different things, akin to the expression "to promise - does not mean to marry."
And on account of "... both armored vehicles exhibited in Moscow will first return to France after the exhibition is over, and then, after certain modifications and preparations, they will again arrive in Russia to pass tests ...", this explains even easier.
They don’t have such shitty roads, so they ask in Russia to test, because they have nowhere to go.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Are they fooling around again? ...

[Rustam]

MIKHAN Fumbling again? ...

What nonsense? Renault Logan and Ford Focus in the Ministry of Internal Affairs is also nonsense?Or do you need a vaz-2015 to be?

Cars for the city are also armored (what do they drive in the city right now?)

Grooves - MIDS - a great replacement (and even armored)
According to Panard, the question is, there is plenty to choose from and you need to look

[ivshubarin]

Tricks and Logans gather in Russia. Moreover, Renault-Logan is 70% localized, and UAZ-PATRIOT only 60% consists of Russian components, not to mention KAMAZ-5490 or GAZEL-NEXT where there is little Russian

[Makk]

Tricks and Logans gather in Russia. Moreover, Renault-Logan is 70% localized, and UAZ-PATRIOT only 60% consists of Russian components, not to mention KAMAZ-5490 or GAZEL-NEXT where there is little Russian

And if you take into account the equipment on which or with the help of which they are collected, the percentage will be close to 0.

[ivshubarin]

Equipment is not taken into account, materials are taken into account. Volkswagen and Renault are still building factories for the production of engines, localization will increase and they will be more ours than TAGAZ, UAZ, GAZ

[Xroft]

I can understand Ford, but Renault and Fiat are the same fret of the grant, since they don’t care for the DPS themselves anyway. We have something to change, just do not want to buy, the question is either in price or in cut as usual. Have you seen an article about glocks? that's the same thing.

[Rustam]

Xroft
about Renault and Fiat it's the same fret grant

Generally = then the Logans and Fiats are mainly in the faculty and in the coffin they are Vidals Lada and especially grants

Have you seen an article about glocks? that's the same thing.

Of course he did, even left a comment

[ivshubarin]

The difference between Logan and Grant in quality. Logan is cheaper to operate

[IRBIS]

Quote: Xroft

Have you seen an article about glocks?

Indicate at least one Russian-made pistol that is superior in quality to the Glock.
Name at least one domestic car, well, let "Golf" surpass the second.
Or will we continue to fight in patriotic paroxysms or will we buy what really shoots and rides?

[ivshubarin]

Volkswagen Polo of the Russian assembly is better than the second Golf

[IRBIS]

Quote: ivshubarin

Volkswagen Polo of the Russian assembly is better than the second Golf

If you are Orthodox, then cross yourself. A Russian-made car is worse than a nightmare. A friend of mine works at such an enterprise, dissuaded me from buying forever what our rivets from brought parts!
By the way, my "Golf" changed its third ten without much repair, only consumables and so, after accidents. And what is your "Polo" exhaust?

[ivshubarin]

I have a TOYOTA Japanese assembly

[IRBIS]

Quote: ivshubarin

I have a TOYOTA Japanese assembly

And this is the right choice. Even if not patriotic. I don’t like Americans, but I took a Mitsubishi of American assembly without thinking.

[Xroft]

There are no questions about the quality of the glocks, the question is the price of the gun at which the company can be hung with weapons .....
Golf and Fiat are heaven and earth, at the price of operation and the quality of fiat and fret, in my opinion, on the same level. We don’t buy socks from the Police.

[Analyst]

It is very good that they try to improve and update the equipment, "both military and police",
But the country has the potential to produce its good equipment, wouldn’t it be better to produce it ourselves?

[svp67]

Quote: Analyst

But the country has the potential to produce its good equipment, wouldn’t it be better to produce it ourselves?

And who's stopping? The news is about INTERESTED IN THE PROPERTIES OF ARMORED EQUIPMENT, and not about buying it abroad to equip. Let's see, evaluate and apply it on our technique ...

[Analyst]

Quote: svp67

Let's see, evaluate and apply it on our technology

SUCCESSFUL

[faraon]

Well, I read an article well, I put interesting +, I think this type of machine is suitable for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, I would doubt it for the army. It’s not army transport. Although, of course, domestic transport would be better. But you can see that in order to push the production of special cars in Russia, we don’t want to buy in France, but look and our auto industry will begin to produce a better, competitively capable and cheaper car that is not inferior to French counterparts

[Kiliny]

We hope to pay attention to the products of KAMAZ and the Urals

[Rustam]

KilinY We hope to pay attention to the products of KAMAZ and the Urals

What products of the Urals or Kamaz are now going to the Central Internal Affairs Directorate - a healthy and non-convenient 4320 with obscure cramped kungs?

the cutest go Paziki understand Paziki — that's compared to MIDS -it's like earth and sky

[fedorovith]

What PAZik ordinary civilian bus ...

[bask]

Karkadan armored bus - development of Plasan Sasa from Israel, on the chassis of a Czech truck Tatra 815.
With a combat weight of 26 tons, the Karkadan holds 24 soldiers in full armor.
Protecting them from bullets of caliber 7.62x51 from all angles, and when hanging additional armor from monoblock RPG-7.
Mine protection 15 kg in t / e under any wheel.
Armored Corps of 18 cubic meters.
Payload - 12.5 tons.

[bask]

Navistar and Tatra will produce army trucks and armored personnel carriers.
Produced in USA by Navistar Defense.

Czechs ,, Tatra ,, things do, but we all buy all kinds of junk and ******.
The armored body is V-shaped, mounted on a car chassis.
It's a shame, however, for us.

[Prapor-527]

Kolokoltsev caught the flag that fell out of Smerdyukov’s hands ...

[Horla]

And how is Kolokoltsev different from an ordinary official? Nothing! If I were different, I would never have got into this pack.

[Onyx]

It's not funny anymore

[Patton5]

I'm in shock !!! why not give up those. assignment to their own production workers, or the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs does not know what they need until they see it, just like "shopaholics". Obviously, the level of professionalism is falling, and greed is growing !!!

[Pimply]

Quote: Patton5

I'm in shock !!! why not give up those. assignment to their own production workers, or the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs does not know what they need until they see it, just like "shopaholics". Obviously, the level of professionalism is falling, and greed is growing !!!

Because the technical task is not everything. We also need execution.

[faraon]

Guys, wake up, we haven’t been living in the USSR for a long time. All the plants have been privatized. And they are in private hands. Well, Russia cannot produce similar cars at this time. To do this, we need to push the manufacturers in .... that they would start to itch .And the last cars are needed now, and all the project documentation + material base should be created, so for this they buy such cars so that the manufacturers finally begin to fight for the defense order

[Neighbor]

For some reason, the police did not hide behind the armor ....

[Mikado]

so that was the militia, the people's, and now we have a "professional police".

[shinobi]

So in the USSR they weren’t naughty in them from Kalash and borders.

[ultra]

Quote: shinobi

So in the USSR they weren’t naughty in them from Kalash and borders.

I look at these "beggars on the road" and sometimes I want to too!

[faraon]

Then there was no private property, it was socialist (public and therefore a draw). Actually there was nothing more to protect, except public order in general were servants of the people. Well, now everything has changed. Cops are like bandits, and bandits are like cops.
Feel the difference. Here for this and armored cars

[Migari]

Our police fiddled, instead of supporting the domestic manufacturer, they are going to drive grandmas over the hill, apparently getting such salaries are not familiar to them as machine builders in our country get, which by the way make cars no worse. And then, how much does a spare part cost for our car, and how much for a foreign car?

[shinobi]

They will play enough, find faults and refuse. There has already been such a thing with Italian samples.

[Garik]

No one will buy what will not happen for the above reasons (we have such good stuff too). They took it to blow dust in their eyes, so that you don’t just go to exhibitions for the sake of interest, we are not in doubt. They will turn them around and turn them back with the words thank you. The thing is good, but it does not suit us.

[densh]

This is not a new technique to the police. These are new cuts and kickbacks in high-ranking pockets.

[starhina01]

I watched the video was not impressed (RUSTAM PLUS FOR VIDEO) on the road I met a OMONovsky tiger, then the device is serious and our roads are not needed; our best can be done if asked humanly

[Rustam]

starhina01
watched the video was not impressed

My dear, yes, I already broke my tongue

MIDS -replacement for grooves and healthy KamAZ and Urals for the city

here Panard-it is necessary to look, here the niche of the Tiger, Wolf and Scorpio can still Kamaz 53949

To the same place there that it’s sloppy that they will be watched, they will not be taken, and ours let them scratch it, we can blow it out, otherwise I looked at the exhibition in a relaxed way and you can vparit it is unclear what, for the huge loot as before 2008

[ivshubarin]

So it’s like RENO-PREMIUM is now being made at the Volvo plant in Kaluga, even the Volvo wants to buy tankers

[bask]

Quote: Rustam

MIDS -replacement for grooves and healthy KamAZ and Urals for the city

There is already KamAZ 4911, information, only about it 000.
And not only for the city.

[densh]

We need to buy a couple of instances and conduct tests. Maybe something useful for our technology can be communized . But so as not to repeat the story with IVECO.

[DPN]

Power is only worth something, if it can defend itself against its people, and they do not spare money on it.

[DPN]

Surely, there’s no place to put the currency, it would be better if they sent PTUshniks to study, but not good specialists and masters are crying.

[Consmo]

I immediately introduced the dialogue to Joseph Vissarionovich (the hope is Tsar Ivan Vasilyevich);
The answer can be imagined.

[Stinger]

Everything must be tested. And to buy where there are more kickbacks. Like Serdyukov.

[Sergey Medvedev]

Tired of these NovoTaburetkiny already. It is time to legally ban the spending of Russian taxpayers' money on the foreign auto industry. Let officials, including civilians, ride ours. Imagine - ministers, deputies and mayors of cities go to Kalina. Why are they worse than Putin? Well, let them ride our cars, remember past foreign cars and think about how to tighten our auto industry to a foreign one.

[Cherdak]

These must be purchased to disperse the glamorous parties.
"Race on Bolotnaya" will block the F1 rating

[densh]

You can buy it. But I'm afraid that only the bosses with deputies will ride them. And their children.

[Goldmitro]

<<< As the correspondent of ARMS-TASS was told at the stand of the French company, the attention of the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs was attracted by two armored vehicles presented at the stand of Renault Truck Diffance. >>>
Undoubtedly, it is necessary to study modern foreign technology and, above all, our specialists working on the creation of new technology, but, hopefully, the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs will have enough common sense not to repeat the harmful "stupidity" of Taburetkin (although this scam should be called differently) and throw money into the acquisition of a new "Lynx"!

[Cherdak]

Quote: Goldmitro

the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs has enough common sense

For example, provide humane conditions for the transport of prisoners

[densh]

Schaub, I lived like they are tormented.

[bask]

Quote: Cherdak

For example, provide humane conditions for the transport of prisoners

how they will tie the stools with the basil, they will carry in this.

[Yun Klob]

Yes, after France’s position on Syria, their proposals should be forgotten altogether. So that they thought not they, so others.

[Kolyan 2]

The same rake, they are also a rake in Africa.

[Strashila]

Everything for your people ... and do not say that they did not care about you.

[avg]

Everything must be done on time!
That would have put Serdyukov behind Iveco, you look, and Kolokoltsev would not have been scratched.

[Altona]

The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia should focus on domestic industry ... In an extreme case, bring the plant director to the car and demand to do no worse ... But to feed a foreign company to a state structure is not a comme il faut ...

[Lopatov]

The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia should be on the drum. It is the domestic industry that has to go out of its way to get an order. And then damn it, we're used to working at the level of "they'll buy it anyway"

[catapractic]

I wonder what kind of rollback received

[NORILCHANIN]

Quote: Prapor-527

Kolokoltsev caught the flag that fell out of Smerdyukov’s hands ...

You're wrong, THE FIRST FLAG was picked up by the PROSECUTOR GENE by ordering Merc with flashing lights for 70 million. So the Ministry of Internal Affairs is only in third place!

[yuri p]

"The Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs is showing interest in the French armored vehicles MIDS and PVP" ... And what is weak for its Russian designers? Apparently, someone wanted to have currency, along with the budget.

[Owl]

This is a diagnosis of a corrupt thieves' system, in power, in leadership positions now almost everywhere there are citizens for whom filling their pockets with dishonest money is the most important thing in life and in the service. Therefore, in the army they buy Glock pistols at a clearly inflated price, the Ministry of Internal Affairs is interested in precisely the enemy equipment, it looks like some of the leaders in these transactions will receive significant bonuses for themselves in the bank account. Until the State begins to really harshly punish these traitors (not with house arrests or summons as a witness), this shame in Russia will continue indefinitely.

[Jet]

getting ready for rebellion, ruthless and merciless ..

[Skyf]

Quote: Xroft

Well, this is ridiculous, we have analogues that are ready and require break-in .. not long ago, only the article was about it.

Is it impossible to conduct comparative tests? I want to remind you that in the pre-war years, in the presence of the new experimental and serial tanks in the Red Army, we bought and conducted comparative tests of the English VIKKERS and the American CHRISTIE, of which later the T-26 and BT were made, and the T-34 grew from BT.

[Boris63]

Your equipment "in bulk", just order. But no, Kolokoltsev seems to want to repeat his mini "feat", in the manner of Serdyukov (monsieur, probably, they give a good kickback). And when, finally, they all stop playing the goat, they will start not in words, but in deeds to support their producer, as a result - the development of production and science.

[alone]

all the same, everyone wants to live like oligarchs and bells live is no exception.

[n-kama]

why do they need foreign cars of this class, if we ourselves have our own know-how

[wolf1945]

so the whole military-industrial complex will be added to hell!

[Santa Fe]

What is the difference than crushing belolentochnikov?

It’s even better - let the French workers hunch back at the factories. And we will buy their armored personnel carriers for petrodollars and crush them with those who want to live differently

[Setrac]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

It’s even better - let the French workers hunch back at the factories. And we will buy their armored personnel carriers for petrodollars and crush them with those who want to live differently

So you just don’t want to work, loafer. so I will disappoint you, petrodollars are given hard work in the far north.

[sanych your division]

need to buy. and order bows with arrows from the Brazilian Indians. they say a very noble thing. still boomerangs in the Australian aborigines with a built-in night vision device. complete crap this PVP. it is called Petite Vthicule du Grandes Problemes. stand in hangars and gather dust. even 2000 km didn’t run back and they got such a set of things that the mechanics at the mention of this car ache. another unsuccessful project like VAL-VAC Overland.

[Sirs]

All for the sake of competition, so that their manufacturers do not relax !!!

[sergeymend]

probably cost 2-3 times more expensive than our equipment + repair and maintenance will correspond to the price

[sergeymend]

probably cost 2-3 times more expensive than our equipment + repair and maintenance will correspond to the price