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Weak sex showed tank biathlon class in JAR

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Three hits out of three possible proved that girls cope with a combat vehicle no worse than male tankmen


Female tank the crew, along with the men, showed their skills in testing military units in the Jewish Autonomous Region. Excellent performance proved that the weaker sex can cope with heavy military equipment no worse than men. The verification program includes control exercises on military equipment and fire training. Including tank biathlon, which is gaining popularity, reports EAOmedia with reference to the Bira State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company.

At the entrance to the territory of the landfill of the car met a warning sign. Explosions were heard from afar.

The reason for the appearance of the commander of the Amur Combined-Arms Association is the active stage of the control check. Therefore, the new equipment of tankers aroused interest in Sergei Solomatin. Modern, fireproof kits recently massively began to arrive in parts.

Army reforms are gaining momentum. Representatives of the weaker sex are already preparing for service in the tank forces, despite the difficulties they will have to face.

In order for the tank to fire, the gun must first be charged, and it is not easy to charge it, the powder charge weighs six kg, and the shell itself weighs 25.

The commander did not dare to release the girls to the position of an independent, fully female crew. However, for the first time at the Bidzhany proving ground, a woman has become the commander of a tank.

“Shells are heavy to load, because they weigh a lot, and I liked it so much,” says tank commander Yulia Khvatova.

"I thought that, but there would not be all three hits, well, it turned out that way - emotions are overwhelming, I want to continue shooting," says gunner-operator Natalya Scherbyuk.

“There are a lot of impressions, because for the first time I participated in shooting, it’s noisy, but the headset was saved,” said the driver Svetlana Melnikova.

Tasks for girls commander changed. At the approach to the firing line, shooting, unlike male crews, was conducted from the spot. Time when performing tasks was not taken into account.

“Both the first and the second crew coped with the task better than the third crew, which is made by our defenders of the fatherland, are men. This is such a valuable gift for your crew,” said Sergei Solomatin, commander of the Amursky All-Arms Association.

Three hits out of three possible indicate that the girls cope with the combat vehicle is not worse than the male tank crews. Until the end of the year, in stages, several thousand servicemen will be tested for professional suitability. Commanders and their subordinates will take the exam in all units of the Eastern Military District from Kamchatka to Buryatia.

Earlier, EAOmedia IA reported that participants in the celebration of Victory Day in Birobidzhan were able to taste real soldier porridge today. For the preparation of military delicacies in one of the military units of the Birobidzhan garrison, entrepreneurs identified a bag of buckwheat and a stew box, as well as sets of disposable utensils.

The plot "Vesti-Birobidzhan", GTRK "Bira". Author: Pavel Typographer, operator Sergey Golubev.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 28 October 2013 13: 18 New
    +9
    Three hits out of three possible proved that girls cope with a combat vehicle no worse than male tankmen
    Still, at T80 and a trained child will do it ...
    1. 77bor1973
      77bor1973 28 October 2013 13: 49 New
      +6
      Yes, T-80 versus T-72 as Mercedes versus Volga.
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        1. domokl
          domokl 28 October 2013 15: 06 New
          +5
          Quote: Pimply
          Why do you think that they have it?

          Any American action movie look. Such a requirement is mandatory for any creation of Hollywood.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 28 October 2013 15: 10 New
            +5
            Quote: domokl
            Any American action movie look. Such a requirement is mandatory for any creation of Hollywood.


            Judging by the movie, one person can destroy an entire army.
            1. domokl
              domokl 28 October 2013 15: 16 New
              +4
              Quote: Pimply
              Judging by the movie, one person can destroy an entire army.

              Cinema is a concentrated educator of the nation. Only, to be honest, I did not quite understand how my and your comments are related?
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 28 October 2013 15: 19 New
                0
                Quote: domokl

                Cinema is a concentrated educator of the nation. Only, to be honest, I did not quite understand how my and your comments are related?

                But I did not understand what the movie and reality
                1. domokl
                  domokl 28 October 2013 16: 01 New
                  0
                  Quote: Pimply
                  But I did not understand what the movie and reality

                  Then I offer a compromise. Before writing a comment on a comment, read the comment itself ... laughing And then the conversation of the dumb with the deaf turns out ...
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 28 October 2013 16: 02 New
                    0
                    Quote: domokl
                    Then I offer a compromise. Before writing a comment on a comment, read the comment itself ... And then the conversation between the dumb and the deaf turns out ..

                    I always read. And anyway - sorry. There is no understanding.
                    1. Reindeer herder
                      Reindeer herder 28 October 2013 19: 31 New
                      +1
                      Sarcasm is ... Hand over uncle.
      3. Ascetic
        Ascetic 28 October 2013 14: 28 New
        +9
        Quote: domokl
        ? In order to comply with the norm in the USA, be sure a black man and a woman?


        Lost the representative of sexual minorities without fail
        1. bask
          bask 28 October 2013 19: 35 New
          +5
          Quote: Ascetic
          Lost the representative of sexual minorities without fail

          In the euro zone, these are ridden.
          made in coland
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 28 October 2013 22: 22 New
            +5
            Quote: bask
            Euro zone, they ride on such.


            So far, they will not come to Russia by chance. The result ...

        2. poquello
          poquello 28 October 2013 20: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          Quote: domokl
          ? In order to comply with the norm in the USA, be sure a black man and a woman?


          Lost the representative of sexual minorities without fail

          armored train give them all
    3. Civil
      Civil 28 October 2013 13: 55 New
      +1
      The case of Pasha Anshelina lives on!
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 28 October 2013 14: 03 New
        +4
        Angelina probably? hi
      2. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 28 October 2013 18: 16 New
        +4
        Angelina! By the way, when we had a female fighter regiment, in England women were allowed to drive trucks transporting goods from ports to warehouses, while it was strictly forbidden to depart from the route and even more so to enter the city. In the United States, women ferried fighters from the factory to the airfield, but when they showed the B-17 combat crew in a movie, it was complete nonsense. Lydia Litvyak is still the record holder among women for her victories in the air. I can’t list the women tankers so I don’t have accurate data, but there was a woman mechanic, the driver of the IS-2 "Combat Girlfriend" tank, the wife of the tank commander and the mother of two crew members. The commander of the T-60 Oktyabrskaya tank. Another woman mechanic - the driver lost her legs, but after the war, in order to prove to foreign journalists who did not believe that a woman could be a tank mechanic, she sat down at the levers of a T-55 tank and led him through the range.
    4. Army1
      Army1 28 October 2013 20: 07 New
      0
      Do we have pilots? Seriously.
  2. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 October 2013 13: 21 New
    +8
    "He will stop the galloping horse ... it will enter the burning hut .." Still, women have no place in a tank!
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 28 October 2013 13: 30 New
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      And yet women have no place in the tank!

      There are, of course, ladies, that no worse than men will cope. But this is still the exception, not the rule ...
      1. VOLCHOXURAL
        VOLCHOXURAL 28 October 2013 16: 59 New
        +8
        Quote: MIKHAN
        And yet women have no place in the tank!
        And I'm talking about too - girls should give birth to tankers, and not become them !!! yes And then a dead end turns out - if they massively begin to become tankers, then who will then give birth to them and replenish troops? what In general, dear girls, why are you always trying to prove something to us, we love you not at all for that! And because you are gentle, sensitive and affectionate, with all your weaknesses !!! love Do not try to deprive us of men of one of our main destinations - to be defenders! soldier It will be the best compliment for us !!! wink
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 October 2013 17: 08 New
          -2
          Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
          And I mean too - girls should give birth to tankers, and not become them !!! And then a dead end turns out - if they massively begin to become tankers, then who will then give birth to them and replenish troops? In general, dear girls, why are you always trying to prove something to us, we love you not at all for that! And because you are gentle, sensitive and affectionate, with all your weaknesses !!! Do not try to deprive us of men of one of our main destinations - to be defenders! It will be the best compliment for us !!!

          Do you think that all girls will die en masse from the service? Or massively and simultaneously will not be able to give birth after a couple of years of service?
          1. VOLCHOXURAL
            VOLCHOXURAL 28 October 2013 17: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            Do you think that all girls will die en masse from the service? Or massively and simultaneously will not be able to give birth after a couple of years of service?

            Dear Pimple. At first they would try to delve into the share of humor and the essence of my comment! Before clinging to ridiculous nitpicking! hi
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 28 October 2013 18: 10 New
              0
              Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
              Dear Pimple. At first they would try to delve into the share of humor and the essence of my comment! Before clinging to ridiculous nitpicking!


              Well, at first the humor was extremely veiled by 8)
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 28 October 2013 20: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
          And I'm talking about too - girls should give birth to tankers, and not become them !!!

          Well if more men* persons with a Y-chromosome paint their lips, let their eyes down, and wave a rainbow flag, where do the girls go?

          * What kind of men are they?
          1. VOLCHOXURAL
            VOLCHOXURAL 28 October 2013 21: 23 New
            +1
            Well, I probably wouldn’t be so pessimistic that I’ll straighten more and more my lips and my eyes. Although, in general, I agree with you, dear Nagan, I do not deny the existence of this problem at all. I would say differently - all this wrecking tolerance, gm fucked up and b .... yours, more and more stubbornly imposed on us by enemy propaganda! And we must not forget about this and try to protect our youth from this influence, with its fragile consciousness!
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 28 October 2013 22: 48 New
              0
              Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
              I would say differently - all this wrecking tolerance, gm fucked up and b .... yours, more and more stubbornly imposed on us by enemy propaganda! And we must not forget about this and try to protect our youth from this influence, with its fragile consciousness!

              Yes, completely, there is no Western conspiracy to molest Russian youth. On the contrary, they (in the sense not to you personally, but to all Russians) wish you well, as to themselves, since this crappy tolerance at their own pace harm... But I dare to assure you, and in America there are normal people who do not consider this "good" as good. And I mean not only our brother, the new immigrant *, but also those whose ancestors moved to America several generations ago.


              Russian immigration (regardless of ethnicity and religion) is generally much more conservative than Americans.
              1. VOLCHOXURAL
                VOLCHOXURAL 28 October 2013 23: 51 New
                +1
                Dear Nagan, you have altered my thought in a critical way! And here are simple, normal people who wish well? I did not record the entire population of the peoples of the West as enemies at all! Moreover, I am sure that among ordinary citizens, the same America, there are many good people, I even believe that there are more than bad people, just bad ones are better organized. And by "enemy propaganda" I meant the actions of individual Western politicians, political technologists who are interested in creating a negative image of Russian citizens and Russia as a whole! Various, harmful, phenomena and techniques, in the Western and Russian media, take place, and they are not rare. They are visible with the naked eye, I think you are unlikely to argue against this.
    2. Analyst
      Analyst 28 October 2013 13: 33 New
      +7
      Quote: MIKHAN
      He will stop the galloping horse ... he will enter the burning hut

      Or like that.

      Beauty, glory to the world,
      Blush, slender, tall,
      In every garment is beautiful,
      To any work is dexterity.
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      2. strannik595
        strannik595 28 October 2013 13: 46 New
        +7
        positive ........ goodbye weapons
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 28 October 2013 19: 28 New
          +3
          Quote: strannik595
          positive ........ goodbye weapons

          Is it instead of a wedding Mercedes ?? laughing More bows and a basket with flowers and rings on the gun to pendyupuri-and in general there will be beauty! wassat
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 28 October 2013 20: 43 New
            +5
            .................................................. ..
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 28 October 2013 22: 32 New
            0
            Quote: GSH-18
            Quote: strannik595
            positive ........ goodbye weapons

            Is it instead of a wedding Mercedes ?? laughing More bows and a basket with flowers and rings on the gun to pendyupuri-and in general there will be beauty! wassat


            If I'm not mistaken, a similar "camouflage" was applied to the equipment of the Kiev Museum of the Great Patriotic War.
        2. catapractic
          catapractic 28 October 2013 23: 04 New
          +1
          glamorous however love
      3. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka 28 October 2013 16: 07 New
        10
        Quote: Analyst
        Or like that.

        Beauty, glory to the world,
        Blush, slender, tall,
        In every garment is beautiful,
        To any work is dexterity.

        cleverly shoots from a gun
        and ATGM different systems
        goose and truck changes
        to her face and a tank helmet

        uses –tags instead of
        Tarpaulin with gun cover
        eyes with fuel oil fails,
        tonal lay-solidol

        let the cables braid
        she is beautiful, no doubt
        let her wear in a cosmetic bag
        assembly, jack, repair kit.

        shine on the fingers of the nut
        dangling in your ears - bolts
        let not from the "Gucci" sweatshirts
        but their faces are full of beauty
    3. seller trucks
      seller trucks 28 October 2013 13: 43 New
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      Quote: MIKHAN
      "He will stop the galloping horse ... it will enter the burning hut .." Still, women have no place in a tank!


      Alexander Mitrofanovna Rashchupkin was not allowed to go to war. In far from the hostilities of Uzbekistan, where she was born, 1 May 1914, and grew up, in vain Alexander pushed around the thresholds of the military commissariats with a request to poison her to the front. No arguments helped the girl. Even the fact that she was one of the first women in the republic mastered the tractor and could well master the car. She was refused every time, but the girl did not give up. In 1942, shortly clenched, in men's clothes, she again went to the military enlistment office and, taking advantage of the confusion that reigned then with documents, still volunteered for the front under the name of Alexander Rashchupkin.

      During World War II, Alexander Rashchupkin repeated the courageous act of the legendary "cavalry girl" Nadezhda Andreevna Durova, who in the 1806 year entered the military service under a man’s name and then fought in the 1812 campaign against the Napoleonic army. In the suburbs of Alexandra - Alexander graduated from the courses of drivers, and then, already near Stalingrad, a two-month course of tank drivers. Of course, at first it was scary, but Alexandra overcame her fear and began to fight along with men. The girl fought in the 62 Army of General Chuikov V.I. Surprisingly, for almost three years, neither the crew of the T-34 tank, on which Rashchupkina fought, nor the rest of the fellow soldiers suspected that a woman was hiding under the guise of “Sashka-Tomboy”.

      Undressing at the front was rare, because in the war the issue of hygiene was not very acute, and everyone solved it as he could ... It was not the time to look at the driver and think about whether it was a woman or a man. Her comrades learned about the secret of Alexandra Rashchupkina only at the end of the war ...

      Everything opened in February 1945, when tankers fought on the territory of Poland. During one of them, the T-34 Rashchupkina tank came across an ambush, was hit, and caught fire. Alexandra was seriously injured. A mechanic from a neighboring tank rushed to the rescue, began to bandage. It was he who recognized the girl in Sasha. Rashchupkina AM for military merits was awarded the orders of the Red Star, World War II 2 degree, many medals.

      http://www.otvoyna.ru/tankistki.htm
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 28 October 2013 13: 51 New
        +5
        Thanks for the info! Unfortunately, I have not heard of such a person, but with the help of your comment, I closed the knowledge gap!)))
      2. domokl
        domokl 28 October 2013 13: 59 New
        +8
        So this is exactly what the conversation is about. A lot of women got into the war in the tractor. Some of them, probably, in the tanks. Just risking a combat vehicle and squad for the sake of gender tolerance is not even stupid, criminal.
        A woman, for purely physiological reasons, cannot perform certain types of combat work. Enough for us and on a citizen rail layers and metallurgists ...
      3. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 28 October 2013 18: 35 New
        +6
        In my opinion, the one who wrote this article belongs to the journalists whose principle is "Whatever write, just write". Get into a tank school without a medical examination ?! Complete nonsense!!! You can read in detail about how a woman served among men in the book by Irina Levchenko: "The Tale of the War Years", which with great difficulty achieved to become a nurse in a tank regiment, because the unconscious tankers must be pulled out through uncomfortable hatches, as she passed in a tank school and, as ordered by the command, it was allocated a separate corner. As for hygiene in the troops, or rather about its alleged absence, it is from the carelessness of the authorities, but not the norm of military discipline. In comparison with the Nazis, where there were special hospitals or departments for typhoid, in the Red Army for typhoid it was possible to lose the rank of the commander. There is a known case, which went down in history, when Rokosovsky beat General Popel with a cane stick, for the death of a soldier from hunger. It is about this case that Stalin's phrase I.V. "If you are guilty, you can shoot, but why beat with a stick!"
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      5. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 28 October 2013 19: 07 New
        +3
        In my opinion, the one who wrote this refers to the magazines who will not spare their father for "Krasnoye Slovets". Once I had to explain to a journalist why some services are held in our church. And only after many years I learned that an article appeared in Komsomolskaya Pravda where my name and position were indicated, but what nonsense she wrote for the sake of Krasniy Slovets! Reading this article, one might think that it was possible to get into the tank troops without a medical examination in a tank school, that they did not wash in the Red Army for years, but fed themselves on what they would dig up in the field. Best of all, in my opinion, the position of women in the tank forces was described by Irina Levchenko in the book "The Tale of the War Years". This newly arrived replenishment might not know for some time that Senior Lieutenant Levchenko was a woman. But not the command. No need to write nonsense about the Red Army: let someone find documents that in the Red Army there were special camps for typhoid patients, as it was in the Wehrmacht, where typhus was widespread. You can also recall that Napoleon lost a third of his troops in Russia from dysentery, and before the battle of Borodino, all hospitals were overwhelmed with typhoid patients, and after Borodino they were all scattered across Russian villages and stopped treating altogether. And all this became known from the memoirs of the chief medical officer of the French army. The Red Army was the only army in the world where the wounded were transported in class carriages, and not in heating boxes. And where the absence of anesthesia was an exception and not a handful, as described in German memoirs, when privates were operated without anesthesia, and anesthesia was only for officers, pilots - in the German army a sergeant major could be a famous ace, and tankmen. Honor and glory to Alexandra Mitrofanova! but why lie?
      6. catapractic
        catapractic 28 October 2013 23: 05 New
        0
        grandma fight love
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 28 October 2013 14: 05 New
      +1
      The horse will stop racing, if it’s necessary, it’s a shot from the tank! fellow
      1. atalef
        atalef 28 October 2013 14: 14 New
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        Quote: Andrew Y.
        The horse will stop racing, if it’s necessary, it’s a shot from the tank! fellow

        So the question is, why is this necessary? Women and tanks? Of course, I understand the Jewish Autonomous Region, women like in Israel and in tanks laughing
        And why, what besides PR, empty and cheap, as well as a waste of money? Russia is not Israel, in Russia there is no need for girls to serve, especially in military units. I would prefer not to serve in Israel, women have a different purpose, but we have a small country and resources are simply not enough and therefore women serve, I think from some hopelessness, but why is it for Russia? Are there few men? Of course, now I’m being attacked, the woman is the same person, she’s laying the sleepers, they work as welders, and the same thing at the construction sites - why not the vtank, I think if there is no concrete reason for the survival of the state, women have nothing to do in combat troops
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 28 October 2013 14: 45 New
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          Quote: atalef
          So the question is, why is this necessary? Women and tanks? Of course, I understand the Jewish Autonomous Region, women like in Israel and in tanks


          I completely agree. The emancipation and militarization of women, even under Israeli conditions, does not lead to anything good. Even from a scientific point of view, there was such a topic in Bolshevo, they wanted to explore the ability of women to serve in the 90s as part of the combat calculations of launching ICBMs. The results are disappointing. And remember the Queen and his words
          “While I am alive, no woman will fly into space anymore.”
          This is an objective reality and not male chauvinism as feminists broadcast. In general, feminism as well as LGBT propaganda and juvenile justice destroy traditional human relations. A woman is not a draft horse, but a man is not a glamorous dandy.
          yes in as an exception it is possible, but this Toko confirms the rule. Otherwise, the whole society will gradually consist of infantile, asexual individuals doomed to degeneration. But it will be much easier to manage such a society without traditional family values.

          1. Pimply
            Pimply 28 October 2013 14: 48 New
            -1
            Quote: Ascetic
            This is an objective reality and not male chauvinism as feminists broadcast. In general, feminism as well as LGBT propaganda and juvenile justice destroy traditional human relations. A woman is not a draft horse, but a man is not a glamorous dandy.
            Yes, as an exception, you can, but this also confirms the rule. Otherwise, the whole society will gradually consist of infantile, asexual individuals doomed to degeneration. But it will be much easier to manage such a society without traditional family values.

            This is chauvinism. He served with the girls side by side, in reserve I had a month to spend with Caracal, for example. No worse.
            1. atalef
              atalef 28 October 2013 14: 53 New
              +7
              [quote = Patchy] e. [/ quote]
              This is chauvinism. He served with the girls side by side, in reserve I had a month to spend with Caracal, for example. No worse. [/ Quote]
              Come on, Zhen, Russia, why is this?
              Well, don’t, it’s stupid and besides PR it doesn’t carry anything, I’m not saying that women are worse, even better, but there’s nothing to do in military units. It is necessary to protect them, and not to make fun of how they load shells
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 28 October 2013 15: 01 New
                -5
                Quote: atalef
                Well, don’t, it’s stupid and besides PR it doesn’t carry anything, I’m not saying that women are worse, even better, but there’s nothing to do in military units. It is necessary to protect them, and not to make fun of how they load shells

                At least for the fact that thinking would change. A person should receive what they deserve, and not "she is a woman, she cannot," for example.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 28 October 2013 15: 07 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, don’t, it’s stupid and besides PR it doesn’t carry anything, I’m not saying that women are worse, even better, but there’s nothing to do in military units. It is necessary to protect them, and not to make fun of how they load shells

                  At least for the fact that thinking would change. A person should receive what they deserve, and not "she is a woman, she cannot," for example.

                  Let this not be an example with the help of tank troops, remember for yourself the way the IDF’s female units traveled before they were allowed to enter combat units (if you remember, this was even through the courts), there’s no need to go by leaps and bounds in Russia, there where this is not necessary, maybe it doesn’t cause anything besides laughter, and in the first accident, it will completely erase any prospects.
                  Hurry up slowly, in Russia there are quite a few places where women can turn around in all their female power.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 28 October 2013 15: 11 New
                    0
                    Quote: atalef
                    Let this not be an example with the help of tank troops, remember for yourself the way the IDF’s female units traveled before they were allowed to enter combat units (if you remember, this was even through the courts), there’s no need to go by leaps and bounds in Russia, there where this is not necessary, maybe it doesn’t cause anything besides laughter, and in the first accident, it will completely erase any prospects.
                    Hurry up slowly, in Russia there are quite a few places where women can turn around in all their female power.


                    I remember. That's why I say it. Thinking changes slowly.
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                    2. Mature naturalist
                      Mature naturalist 29 October 2013 01: 18 New
                      0

                      Lord gentlemen, you are all shifted there. We here in Russia do not need this, let our thinking remain traditional.

                      "Honorary title of the best city for gay tourism and recreation of homosexuals of both sexes in 2011 received Tel Aviv"
                2. Hon
                  Hon 28 October 2013 16: 52 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Pimply
                  At least for the fact that thinking would change. A person should receive what they deserve, and not "she is a woman, she cannot," for example.

                  The army does not exist to play progressive thinking and feminism. As it was said in the Hollywood vyser "I have a problem because I need to have a gynecologist on my staff." Why do we need women tankers? With the IDF it is clear to the people a little and have to fight often, but what about us?
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 28 October 2013 17: 10 New
                    0
                    Quote: Hon
                    The army does not exist to play progressive thinking and feminism. As it was said in the Hollywood vyser "I have a problem because I need to have a gynecologist on my staff." Why do we need women tankers? With the IDF it is clear to the people a little and have to fight often, but what about us?

                    Then, that among women, soldiers and officers may be better in personal qualities than now. At least that's why. Now they are all discarded in droves simply because of their gender.
                    1. Hon
                      Hon 28 October 2013 17: 20 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Pimply
                      Then, that among women, soldiers and officers may be better in personal qualities than now. At least that's why. Now they are all discarded in droves simply because of their gender.

                      In general, the reductions in the army have passed, many military universities have closed down, many guys who could have become excellent officers will never become one, there are few places. We do not have enough conscripts, not contractors, namely, line workers, maybe we will start the urgent women call? Then there are many who wish?
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 28 October 2013 17: 22 New
                        0
                        Quote: Hon
                        In general, the reductions in the army have passed, many military universities have closed down, many guys who could have become excellent officers will never become one, there are few places. We do not have enough conscripts, not contractors, namely, line workers, maybe we will start the urgent women call? Then there are many who wish?

                        AND? If a girl is potentially the best officer, do you have to engage in protectionism in favor of guys?
                        Yes, I think - it is necessary to call for urgent and girls. Do you see something seditious in this?
                      2. Hon
                        Hon 28 October 2013 17: 51 New
                        0
                        Quote: Pimply
                        AND? If a girl is potentially the best officer, do you have to engage in protectionism in favor of guys?

                        I believe that the army is not a place for protectionism, that’s why it’s not worth taking girls into the army, there are many problems and the benefits are the same as for guys or less.
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Yes, I think - it is necessary to call for urgent and girls. Do you see something seditious in this?

                        I think the girls will be categorically against laughing Although it will be cool for a year in kirzachi wassat
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 28 October 2013 18: 12 New
                        0
                        Quote: Hon
                        I believe that the army is not a place for protectionism, that’s why it’s not worth taking girls into the army, there are many problems and the benefits are the same as for guys or less.

                        And so you advocate protectionism - well, because you're against it, right?

                        Quote: Hon
                        I think the girls will be categorically against. Although it will be cool for a year in kirzachi

                        This is another question. An alternative service is always an option. Everyone should serve. If you're not a wheelchair user. A wheelchair user should also have the opportunity to serve.
                      4. Hon
                        Hon 28 October 2013 18: 26 New
                        0
                        Quote: Pimply
                        And so you advocate protectionism - well, because you're against it, right?

                        This is pragmatism, a woman in the army will create more problems than a guy, due to the characteristics of the body, and due to the fact that it will be necessary to adapt to the innovation. And why the hell do we need it?
                        Quote: Pimply
                        This is another question. An alternative service is always an option. Everyone should serve. If you're not a wheelchair user. A wheelchair user should also have the opportunity to serve.

                        Again the question, why the hell do we need it?
                        We do not need full mobilization, our military power is enough to blow away countries such as Israel, together with the IDF and all mobilized, and at the same time capture the neighbors. We have completely different problems that do not require mobilization. We have more special forces than members of the entire Israeli army. We have 20 thousand tanks in service, is it even possible to place so many in Israel?
                3. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 28 October 2013 17: 33 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Hon
                  maybe we should start urgent girls?


                  There was such an idea. The draft law was introduced in the State Duma. Again, due to the shortage of conscript men.
                4. Pimply
                  Pimply 28 October 2013 17: 35 New
                  0
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  There was such an idea. The draft law was introduced in the State Duma. Again, due to the shortage of conscript men.

                  IMHO, everyone should serve.
                5. Hon
                  Hon 28 October 2013 18: 08 New
                  0
                  Quote: Pimply
                  IMHO, everyone should serve.

                  Then either reduce the service life, or increase the army by several times, and refuse double basses.
                6. Pimply
                  Pimply 28 October 2013 19: 24 New
                  0
                  Quote: Hon
                  Then either reduce the service life, or increase the army by several times, and refuse double basses.

                  At the moment, the army is not a million people, as it should be, but 680 thousand.
                  Firstly, it is not necessary that the service be carried out only in the army - it can be an alternative, the Ministry of Emergencies, fire and police services.
                  Secondly, this decision can lead to the thought of normal exits of soldiers on vacation.
            2. Hon
              Hon 28 October 2013 17: 54 New
              0
              Well, here I’m probably for laughing
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 28 October 2013 15: 04 New
    +6
    Quote: Pimply
    This is chauvinism. He served with the girls side by side, in reserve I had a month to spend with Caracal, for example. No worse.


    Evgeny! This is not chauvinism, in practice it has been proved that in the conditions of limited time, making the right decisions from the flow of information in women, the effect of saturation and inhibition occurs faster than in men. This is due to the peculiarities of the perception of the brain in women in men. As scientists say, this feature has evolved since primitive times when a man was forced to make decisions and assess the situation faster than a woman in order to survive hunting or in war. Even Americans who have a strategic nuclear weapons control system almost completely autonomous and the final links act more as a relay, unlike ours automatedwhere the human factor is much higher than theirs and they do not trust women with nuclear weapons despite feminism and emancipation.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 28 October 2013 15: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Ascetic
      Eugene! This is not chauvinism, in practice it has been proven that in the conditions of limited time, making the right decisions from the flow of information in women, the effect of saturation and inhibition occurs faster than in men. This is due to the peculiarities of the perception of the brain in women in men. According to scientists, this feature has evolved since primitive times when a man was forced to make decisions and assess the situation faster than a woman in order to survive hunting or in war. Even the Americans, whose strategic nuclear weapons control system is almost completely autonomous, and the final links act more as a relay unlike our automated one, where the human factor is much higher than theirs and they don’t even trust women with nuclear weapons despite feminism and emancipation.


      It all depends on situations and on specific people. Women — in general — are less well-equipped to perform a number of military specialties. But, I repeat - this does not apply to all women. We are now talking about the need to judge by the capabilities of each specific candidate.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 28 October 2013 16: 04 New
        +5
        Quote: Pimply
        We are now talking about the need to judge by the capabilities of each particular candidate.


        I do not deny it. There is such a thing as professional selection. But again, the exception only confirms the rule. Take an interest in those who served as the same signalman in the CA in the mid-80s, they will tell you that all the posts of junior specialists were occupied by conscript soldiers. Then he correctly said
        Quote: atalef
        from some hopelessness
        connected with the demography and collapse of the army, communications turned into almost a feminine branch of troops.
        Then I do not deny the right of women to choose any profession for themselves if she can do it. But I am not happy with the situation when, under the guise of equality, tolerance and emancipation, women and men are transformed into some same-sex partner beings, leveling out gender differences. The world is transforming humanity from effeminate slender boys and masculine Amazon girls. I’ll always be against this.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 October 2013 16: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          But I am not happy with the situation when, under the guise of equality, tolerance and emancipation, women and men are transformed into some same-sex partner beings, leveling out gender differences.

          In experience - women, even serving, working in the police, being doctors, etc. (all this in the past is purely male occupations) women do not become less from this. Greater autonomy? Yes. Less femininity? Not at all.
          IMHO, you just do not need to create artificial restrictions.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 28 October 2013 16: 34 New
            +3
            Quote: Pimply
            there’s just no need to create artificial restrictions.

            Nobody creates artificial restrictions, at least formally and by law, including in Russia. Limitations are imposed by nature. Here's an example: The banner "Missile Assault!" (the means of the early warning system automatically identified a massive missile attack), a heartbreaking siren sounds, Answer what will be the first reaction of men and women equally prepared professionally and trained for these tasks? If you answer that in most cases it is the same, then you are greatly mistaken. Even in the process of training, let alone reality.
            Or the red banner lights up combat mode with a bunch of orders for all types of communications and equipment, In fact, war and a surprise attack. the first reaction of any man when he was attacked, adrenaline into the blood. to respond immediately and strike and strike everything else is the main thing to complete the task.
            In women, at the first moment, as if they were not trained by the first reaction = God, this is a war, and at the subconscious level, family and children, for rare exception. Here and draw conclusions.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 28 October 2013 17: 11 New
              0
              Quote: Ascetic
              Nobody creates artificial restrictions, at least formally and by law, including in Russia. Limitations are imposed by nature. Here's an example: The banner "Missile Assault!" (the means of the early warning system automatically identified a massive missile attack), a heartbreaking siren sounds, Answer what will be the first reaction of men and women equally prepared professionally and trained for these tasks? If you answer that in most cases it is the same, then you are greatly mistaken. Even in the process of training, let alone reality.


              The question is preparation and intensity of training.


              Quote: Ascetic
              Or a red banner lights up the combat mode with a bunch of orders for all types of communications and equipment, In fact, war and a surprise attack. The first reaction of any man when he was attacked is adrenaline into the blood. To respond immediately and strike and strike everything else is the main thing to complete the task.


              Again - you generalize everyone. I believe that you need to take into account individual qualities.
            2. Ascetic
              Ascetic 28 October 2013 17: 27 New
              +1
              Quote: Pimply
              Again - you generalize everyone. I believe that you need to take into account individual qualities.


              And I think that, first of all, first of all, you need to take into account the natural disposition and then individual qualities. I am almost sure that you do not have daughters, and I probably have the same Alexander (atalef) too. This is probably the root of our disagreements and disputes.
            3. Pimply
              Pimply 28 October 2013 17: 33 New
              0
              Quote: Ascetic
              And I think that, first of all, first of all, you need to take into account the natural disposition and then individual qualities. I am almost sure that you do not have daughters, and I probably have the same Alexander (atalef) too. This is probably the root of our disagreements and disputes.

              I have a sister. She served.
            4. Ascetic
              Ascetic 28 October 2013 19: 57 New
              +3
              Quote: Pimply
              I have a sister. She served.


              Legs after an eight-day march-throw. The question is in which well-known unit in Europe the picture was taken and can women serve there? Only a word about Soldier Jane.
              By the way, I had about the same during my military service in 116ORB.
            5. Alex 241
              Alex 241 28 October 2013 20: 14 New
              +1
              Damn Stanislav, well, you posted of course.
            6. Ascetic
              Ascetic 28 October 2013 20: 49 New
              +2
              The answer is valid. Laid out for those who advocate for the service of women on a par with men.
            7. Pimply
              Pimply 28 October 2013 22: 06 New
              +1
              The same Caracal. The maiden is a negevist. When I did a reservation with them, the unit was still so-so. But at the same time - quite successfully detained weapons at the border of drug dealers and smugglers. When I quite successfully took two.
            8. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 28 October 2013 22: 44 New
              +3
              An excerpt from the story of an experienced tanker about an attempt to use girls instructors in the exercises of cadets of officer courses.
              Scene three
              The teachings are drawing to a close. The tanks concentrate on the approaches to the main position of the conditional enemy and begin to prepare for the assault. There are still a couple of targets remaining in the enemy position. The battalion commander (the commander of the exercises) gives the order to the young cadet, whose platoon was the first to reach the initial one, to finish off the heavy targets in the enemy positions and ... lead the battalion into the attack. Leading an entire BATALION into the attack is a great honor for any commander, and even more so for a cadet who has not yet earned an officer's shoulder straps. However, this cadet is listed as an excellent student, and no one doubts his further dull career in the army. And now his platoon, with quick and well-aimed fire, can easily deal with targets. A brave command to attack sounds on the radio, ending in a proud: "Follow me! Forward!" Dozens of tanks leave their shelters and, firing from all barrels on the move, rush at the enemy from different directions. Only one tank did not leave the sheltered position and did not even make an attempt to reach the firing line - the tank of a young student-excellent student. Observing this inconceivable development of events in his understanding, the battalion commander changes his face and wheezes into the microphone something incomprehensible with obscenities, regretting the inability to remove non-existent shoulder straps and promising to ensure the further service of the cadet in the kitchen. In response, a crying voice is heard on the air, not at all similar to the one that just gave the order to the battalion to storm: "Ribono Shel Olyam (Lord, Master of the World - Hebrew)! What ?! Well, tell me, I can do it! if my driver puts the parking brake on the tank in battle and then cannot remove it! "
              It remains to clarify that the driver’s cab is located in the tank’s hull separately from the combat compartment of the tower, and it’s not so easy to climb between them (at least in older models). And that the parking brake (in these older models) is very tight, especially when reversed. The girl was just tired of putting pressure on the brake pedal, holding the tank on a hillside, behind which he was hiding, and decided to relax a bit.
              A curtain.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 28 October 2013 22: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Ascetic
        Legs after an eight-day march-throw. The question is in which well-known unit in Europe the picture was taken and can women serve there? Only a word about Soldier Jane.
        By the way, I had about the same during the passage of the urgent service in the training 116ORB

        AND? Well, I saw such legs, after the throw on the 60 km in the mountains I myself had such legs. Pictured are the legs of a Belarusian, a foreign legion.

        Below is another photo, "Caracal", mixed division, 2/3 girls 1/3 guys. Masa kumta, beret march. Corns after it are no different.

        By the way, I don’t remember something in that article about the 8 days of the march-throw.
      3. Ascetic
        Ascetic 29 October 2013 00: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        By the way, I don’t remember something in that article about the 8 days of the march-throw.


        is there that. Here link. Caption for the photo.
        In principle, the training methodology for such units is identical almost everywhere. We ran 3 + 3 or 6 every day. Once a week, we ran 10 or 30 full-time (this was considered part of the sports work on Sunday). We also drove a 5-day march of 150 kilometers with various exercises, etc. once a quarter, not necessarily including inspections. This is conscripts in army intelligence. Specialists were even cooler. Now for ordinary contractors a field trip lasting 7 days and a march 50km
      4. Pimply
        Pimply 29 October 2013 12: 54 New
        0
        Quote: Ascetic
        is there that. Here is the link. Caption for the photo.

        Yes, in the material that I looked, there was no mark.


        Quote: Ascetic
        Now for ordinary contractors, a field trip lasting 7 days and a march throw 50km


        Well, it was the norm with us. I mean, women, in general, are less well-suited for war. But I repeat - we are not saying that all women should serve in combat units and carry out combat functions. We are talking about the possibility for those who can.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 28 October 2013 20: 35 New
    +3
    Quote: Ascetic

    Then I do not deny the right of women to choose any profession for themselves if she can do it. But I am not happy with the situation when, under the guise of equality, tolerance and emancipation, women and men are transformed into some same-sex partner beings, leveling out gender differences. The world is transforming humanity from effeminate slender boys and masculine Amazon girls. I’ll always be against this.

    This is 100% !!!!
  • cumastra1
    cumastra1 28 October 2013 15: 37 New
    0
    oh well horse, the elephant will stop the gallop, and the trunk will tear him ....
  • poquello
    poquello 28 October 2013 20: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    "He will stop the galloping horse ... it will enter the burning hut .." Still, women have no place in a tank!

    Right, right, the kitchen knife and other women's fun

  • Same lech
    Same lech 28 October 2013 13: 23 New
    +1
    As far as such girls really can participate in the battle, the war is a bloody affair.
    In some cases, women can give odds to men, but not in the war.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 28 October 2013 13: 50 New
      0
      They simply untie them and the men then fight to the death. Just kidding of course, girls don’t be offended.
      participate in the battle, because war is a bloody

      And to take out the wounded from battlefield to pieces is not a bloody matter?
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 28 October 2013 14: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      As far as such girls really can participate in the battle, the war is a bloody affair.
      In some cases, women can give odds to men, but not in the war.

      If there is such a free attitude, they won’t be able to. If there is normal combat training, there will be no particular problems, practice has shown this more than once or twice.
    3. domokl
      domokl 28 October 2013 16: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      In some cases, women can give odds to men, but not in the war.

      That's just the point. Nobody says that women do not belong in the army. The conversation is about those specialties where either male strength and endurance are needed, or the ability to make an instant decision. The experience of past wars showed that of women, except for traditional nurses, they turn out great snipers (they really have more patience), signalmen, anti-aircraft gunners and some others. More specifically, where perseverance, patience, and the ability to monotonous work are required.
      A tank is not just a machine, a tank is a combat vehicle. I personally saw a woman driver of the test from Uralvagon, and I’m already in age. She calmly drove nails into the posts with a tank.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 28 October 2013 16: 17 New
        0
        Quote: domokl
        A tank is not just a machine, a tank is a combat vehicle. I personally saw a woman driver of the test from Uralvagon, and I’m already in age. She calmly drove nails into the posts with a tank.

        And?
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 28 October 2013 13: 23 New
    0
    A horse on a gallop and a burning hut, and then just a tank
  • Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 28 October 2013 13: 24 New
    +2
    Give the Russian woman a bottle in her hands - she will take down the tower from the tank ... love
  • vlad0
    vlad0 28 October 2013 13: 30 New
    +4
    All the same, the participation of women in such events is already populism. There are classes in the army and for women: communications, rear, personnel, parachuting, etc. But tanks, planes and reconnaissance ..... Generals! Leave it all to the men.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 28 October 2013 14: 23 New
      0
      And the barbell is pulled at competitions - more than 220 kg in 2 exercises? Or boxing?
      Yes, they will be calmer in the tank, although I am also against such emancipation - it’s not a girl’s business in the tank to burn ...
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 28 October 2013 14: 28 New
      0
      Quote: vlad0
      All the same, the participation of women in such events is already populism. There are classes in the army and for women: communications, rear, personnel, parachuting, etc. But tanks, planes and reconnaissance ..... Generals! Leave it all to the men.

      Why? Do you think they can do worse?
      This is not the problem. The problem is that the attitude is "special". I didn't dare, I was banned, I didn't take into account ...
  • Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 28 October 2013 13: 35 New
    +4
    Quote: svp67
    Still, on the T80 and a trained child will do it ..

    Show me this baby, Sergey. Please...
    Quote: MIKHAN
    "He will stop the galloping horse ... he will enter the burning hut .."

    Ours can ... Only more and more often they do this because men have forgotten how or do not want to ...
    Quote: MIKHAN
    And yet women have no place in the tank!

    I agree with you, Vitaly. And I agree completely and completely. But so that the girls do not have such desires, all the places in the tanks should be taken by guys. And the guys in our country in a considerable quantity mow and sway ...
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 28 October 2013 14: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Chicot 1
      I agree with you, Vitaly. And I agree completely and completely. But so that the girls do not have such desires, all the places in the tanks should be taken by guys. And the guys in our country in a considerable quantity mow and sway ...


      Why not a place?
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 28 October 2013 15: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: Pimply
        Why not a place?

        Yes, because war is not a place for a woman ... And please do not need to cite the Tsahal as an example. Russia is not Israel ...
        And WWII is not necessary to give an example. Then there was such a situation that not only adult women fought, but also children ...
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 October 2013 15: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Chicot 1
          Yes, because war is not a place for a woman ... And please do not need to cite the Tsahal as an example. Russia is not Israel ...
          And WWII is not necessary to give an example. Then there was such a situation that not only adult women fought, but also children ...

          Is it possible to somehow argue? It used to be that a woman didn’t have a place to say at school or university? And why do you think you can decide where a woman is? Maybe let her choose?
          1. Chicot 1
            Chicot 1 28 October 2013 17: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: Pimply
            Is it possible to somehow argue?

            Danivapros, Eugene ...
            Quote: Pimply
            It used to be that a woman didn’t have a place to say at school or university?

            Do not confuse education and war. These are very different things however. Or do you disagree? ..
            Quote: Pimply
            And why do you think you can decide where a woman is?

            And why did you decide that I decide something there? .. I’m just stating ...
            Quote: Pimply
            Maybe let her choose?

            As Henry Ford used to say: "You can choose a car of any color, provided it is black" ...
            Or are you, Eugene, afraid that without girls Tsahal is not able to confront a potential enemy? .. I’m somehow not at all afraid of the absence of girls in the military units of the Russian army ...
            However, this is all rhetoric, and tapericha to the argumentation requested by you, Eugene ...

            A huge request - people with a weak nervous system, as well as especially impressionable, exalted and tolerant, should not be read further ...
            Everything is very simple. Moreover, I will not go deep into the subject, but give just one example ... Demographic losses even associated with the death of one young woman of reproductive age are restored only after 50 generations ...
            This is a simple biology. The one whose laws all living matter obeys. And according to this, the main, main task of a woman is to extend the human race. And everything else, Eugene, is empty rhetoric, arrogant zvizdobolstvo (liberal or not) and snot in sugar ...
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 28 October 2013 18: 15 New
              0
              Quote: Chicot 1
              Do not confuse education and war. These are very different things however. Or do you disagree? ..

              Not really. It was believed that women were not able to get it. The argument was about the same as with the ban on service.
              Quote: Chicot 1
              Even the demographic losses associated with the death of one young woman of reproductive age are restored only through 50 generations ...

              Source, plz.

              Quote: Chicot 1
              Or are you, Eugene, afraid that without girls Tsahal is not able to confront a potential enemy? .. I’m somehow not at all afraid of the absence of girls in the military units of the Russian army ...

              Well, I believe that everyone should serve without exception.
              1. Chicot 1
                Chicot 1 28 October 2013 18: 44 New
                +2
                Quote: Pimply
                Not really. It was believed that women were not able to get it. The argument was about the same as with the ban on service

                They argued that when getting an education there is a considerable chance of dying, like in a war? ..
                Quote: Pimply
                Source plz

                Trud newspaper, early 1990s (period from 1992 to 1994). Call me, but I don’t remember more precisely ...
                Quote: Pimply
                Well, I believe that everyone should serve without exception

                And I believe that to each his own. That which is originally predetermined by nature. And above all, a woman is obliged to extend the genus. But the man must do the rest. Provide, feed, and if necessary protect ...
        2. poquello
          poquello 28 October 2013 21: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Chicot 1
          Quote: Pimply
          Why not a place?

          Yes, because war is not a place for a woman ...

          I heard that the kingdom of the Amazons passed along the banks of the Danube and the Dnieper, this is because the newspaper Trud was not there then.
          1. Chicot 1
            Chicot 1 28 October 2013 21: 43 New
            +2
            Quote: poquello
            I heard that the kingdom of the Amazons passed along the banks of the Danube and the Dnieper

            More details about this very "kingdom of the Amazons" please ...
            1. poquello
              poquello 28 October 2013 23: 07 New
              +1
              Quote: Chicot 1
              Quote: poquello
              I heard that the kingdom of the Amazons passed along the banks of the Danube and the Dnieper

              More details about this very "kingdom of the Amazons" please ...

              And I probably already prepared a story for you, wrote it - I heard it.
              there is little
              http://do.gendocs.ru/docs/index-119148.html?page=30
              and google about their graves
    2. svp67
      svp67 28 October 2013 14: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: Chicot 1
      Show me this baby, Sergey. Please...

      For example, my son ... at the age of 14 calmly performed 1UKS from an inset barrel, and the children of other officers of the regiment. We had a good Commander. At the unit there was a circle "Young Tankman", the guys were not on the street, but were in business ... At one of the firing sessions, I gave my "offspring", honestly "a tihari", even two "regular" ones allowed to do - both on target. Which, in principle, I was not surprised ...
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 28 October 2013 14: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        My son, for example ... in 14 years, calmly performed 1УКС from a supplementary barrel, and the children of other officers of the regiment.

        Bravo, Sergey.
        good
        All of us, sons of the military, "grazed" on the training grounds.
        I directly remembered when the old-timers made bets on me at the shooting range (the game is like that), and the ignorant youngsters paid us with "chipcom" ...
        lol repeat
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 28 October 2013 15: 04 New
          +3
          And they’ll shoot a sweet deed out of something, for this I was ready for everything, even sour cream for breakfast to eat two servings. laughing Oh, I hated her in childhood.
          1. svp67
            svp67 28 October 2013 15: 08 New
            +8
            Quote: Alex 241
            even sour cream for breakfast to eat two servings.
            SOUR CREAM !!!! winked TWO GLASSES!!!! fellow This is a first year student’s DREAM repeat
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 28 October 2013 15: 11 New
              +2
              Continue: and all subsequent courses. laughing But it all comes as you tear yourself away from your mother’s grubs.
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 28 October 2013 15: 15 New
                +4
                Quote: svp67
                SOUR CREAM !!!! TWO GLASSES!!!! This is a first year student’s DREAM

                Quote: Alex 241
                Continue: and all subsequent courses.

                good
                Guys - To two glasses of sour cream (in a chip) another glass of soda and a plate of baking and ...
                We live !!!
                yes
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 28 October 2013 15: 18 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  We live !!!
                  And as one movie hero used to say: and xp .... do we have bullets laughing
                2. svp67
                  svp67 28 October 2013 15: 20 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  We live !!!

                  At ChiPka, the most popular was "sausage in dough", what is now called "hotdog", but we also had a "proud" name - "tank in the trench" lol The barmaid understood ... Yes, as it was a long time ago ...
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 28 October 2013 15: 23 New
                    +2
                    We had "sugar bowls" 7 kopecks. If you hit her in the head, you can knock down an unwilling cadet laughing
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 28 October 2013 15: 32 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      if she gets into her head, then you can knock down an unhappy cadet
                      This, that of the topic - WOULD BE THE BRAINS, WOULD BE A SHOCK?
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 28 October 2013 15: 34 New
                        +2
                        Serezha weight and weight product parameters. laughing
                    2. svp67
                      svp67 28 October 2013 15: 57 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      unhappy cadet

                      Our foreman was an "Afghan", how we hated him fiercely then, and HOW I AM THANKS TO HIM now.
                      PRIMAK Pavel, excuse me for not remembering - THANKS TO YOU, FOR THE FIRST ARMENIAN SCIENCE ... It came in handy for me in the future.
                      He had his own ways of "dealing" with this - a company march for 5 km, along a "tank track". Who knows will understand...
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 28 October 2013 16: 03 New
                        +5
                        Yes, Serge, then it was perceived as sophisticated glumilov, and only with life experience comes understanding and awareness. Thanks to the commanders.
                      2. Aleks tv
                        Aleks tv 28 October 2013 16: 07 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Thanks to the commanders.

                        And the FIRST Commander will forever remain your COMMANDER.
                        Even when he himself retired ...
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 28 October 2013 16: 09 New
                        +3
                        Lesh was buried three years ago, white-haired men were crying like children! The real officer was.
                      4. Pimply
                        Pimply 28 October 2013 16: 14 New
                        +1
                        The first commander I had was a pretty girl, Yael 19 Godkov. How she drove us 8)))
        2. svp67
          svp67 28 October 2013 15: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: Alex 241
          Continue: and all subsequent courses.

          Well, in the senior years, they already knew how to do it "aristocratic ...", after all, "an officer in five minutes," and so - not without it ...
  • Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 28 October 2013 15: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    My son is an example

    Five points with a plus, Sergey! ..
    Quote: svp67
    at 14 years old calmly performed 1UKS from a supplementary barrel

    But at 14, the boy is no longer a child ...
    Quote: svp67
    At the unit there was a circle "Young tanker"

    Not everyone has such a mug at their side ...
    Quote: svp67
    At one of the firing sessions, I even allowed my "offspring" to do two "regular" ones, both on target. What, in principle, I was not surprised

    Sorry for the question - where did you hide it? .. Even in the T-55 there are not so many places ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 28 October 2013 15: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: Chicot 1
      Sorry for the question - where did you hide it? .. Even in the T-55 there are not so many places ...

      Why hide? I just supervised and conducted the zeroing and testing of the battle of tanks before regular shooting. Two shells from the allocated rate, with saved. And the son was "spinning" nearby, well, purely "by accident" ... He offered, agreed. He is in the gunner's place, fortunately, he already knows everything, I am the commander. Mech, on command, went to the ROO (the line of opening fire), well, then - I ask, they raise the targets for me, he shoots, I control ... In short, he took advantage of his official position.
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 28 October 2013 17: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        In short, took advantage of his official position

        More often would have used their official position ... smile
        Well, young ladies, I think they will show themselves. Although, there is no place for them in combat units. No place ...
  • Andrey_K
    Andrey_K 28 October 2013 13: 36 New
    -3
    And why is the tank not painted pink?
  • mamba
    mamba 28 October 2013 13: 38 New
    +3
    The familiarization of women with hard physical labor continues. We don’t have enough orange vests on the laying of sleepers or asphalt, so now we ask for mercy in tanks. The army has a rather lighter service for women: communications, medicine, paperwork. But a combat vehicle, such as a tank, is not for the weaker sex.
    1. 77bor1973
      77bor1973 28 October 2013 13: 55 New
      +2
      It's one thing to drive a combat vehicle, it's another thing to change a "sloth" with a "caterpillar", what we see in the tank biathlon is the facade of the tank troops.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 28 October 2013 14: 32 New
        -3
        Quote: 77bor1973
        It's one thing to drive a combat vehicle, it's another thing to change a "sloth" with a "caterpillar", what we see in the tank biathlon is the facade of the tank troops.

        Practice shows that not guys can cope.
  • maksim
    maksim 28 October 2013 13: 49 New
    0
    well, that’s all it is necessary to send more tanker women to the troops so that the men are not bored, only it’s too early for the submarine fleet wink
  • svp67
    svp67 28 October 2013 13: 49 New
    +2
    The commander changed the tasks for the girls. At the entrance to the firing line, shooting, unlike male crews, was conducted from a place. Time was not taken into account when completing tasks.

    Well, what a "madhouse" ... T80, allows ALL crews, regardless of gender and AGE, to fire on the move and according to the COURSE OF SHOOTING, but this is PROFONATION and CONSCIOUS NOT TRUST to WEAPONS ...
    Next time, I wish the girls to prove that they are NOT SOMETHING different from their male counterparts, especially since they serve on PERFECT fighting vehicles ...
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 28 October 2013 14: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67

      Well, what a "madhouse" ... T80, allows ALL crews, regardless of gender and AGE, to fire on the move and according to the COURSE OF SHOOTING, but this is PROFONATION and CONSCIOUS NOT TRUST to WEAPONS ...
      Next time, I wish the girls to prove that they are NOT SOMETHING different from their male counterparts, especially since they serve on PERFECT fighting vehicles ...

      I completely agree
  • StrateG
    StrateG 28 October 2013 13: 53 New
    +2
    Well, what is gender equality? Direct sex discrimination. Guys to war, women to give birth to children. Let everyone do what he does best. Know how to fight, shoot from a tank, etc. - go to the army. You think that your calling is to give birth to children and cook cabbage soup - go to housewives. I don’t see that the girl behind the tank is okay. Guys, after all, can also be good householders, so why don't women scream that our place in the army is?
  • moreman78
    moreman78 28 October 2013 13: 59 New
    +4
    “Shells are heavy to load, because they weigh a lot, and I liked it so much,” says tank commander Yulia Khvatova.
    - HA HA HA! Made a discovery ... i.e. they would attach a couple more men to the crew, so that the shells would be loaded, but the trucks would be dragged, etc.!
    From such window dressing really turns up ...
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 28 October 2013 14: 16 New
      0
      Quote: moreman78
      - HA HA HA! Made a discovery ... i.e. they would attach a couple more men to the crew, so that the shells would be loaded, but the trucks would be dragged, etc.!
      From such window dressing really turns up ...


      if there are no men, but solid "synthetics", managers alone, that lawyers ... mowing shamelessly. we need to sprinkle ashes on our heads, because we have "women" fighting on tanks, from me you (-)
    2. novobranets
      novobranets 28 October 2013 14: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: moreman78
      “Shells are heavy to load, because they weigh a lot, and I liked it so much,” says tank commander Yulia Khvatova.

      Here they are, one phrase, but it says everything. Loading shots is far from the most difficult work. And who was preparing the car for the exit? And who will twist the gadgets? Which will be heavier than the projectile. Madhouse. Who needs this fraud? Zadolbali this democratic parrot. If we take an example from the United States, then at least something worthwhile, for example, the landing of a stealing general.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 28 October 2013 14: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: novobranets
        Here they are, one phrase, but it says everything. Loading shots is far from the most difficult work. And who was preparing the car for the exit? And who will twist the gadgets? Which will be heavier than the projectile. Madhouse. Who needs this fraud? Zadolbali this democratic parrot. If we take an example from the United States, then at least something worthwhile, for example, the landing of a stealing general.

        If we take an example, then this is a normal tank training, and not "the girls were given to shoot."
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 28 October 2013 14: 59 New
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          and not "the girls were allowed to shoot."

          Yes, even so. Preparation, but no fools, for an adult, with service and so on. And not so, they put the lady in the place of the commander, promised to break off her hands if she clicks on something, ride, and then choke with delight to sing praises. Ugh.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 28 October 2013 15: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: novobranets
            Yes, even so. Preparation, but no fools, for an adult, with service and so on. And not so, they put the lady in the place of the commander, promised to break off her hands if she clicks on something, ride, and then choke with delight to sing praises. Ugh.

            Right. Because from such crap really breaks.
  • ATATA
    ATATA 28 October 2013 14: 04 New
    -1
    And the horse will stop racing, and will enter a burning hut! (FROM)
    Do not add do not add.
  • ilya63
    ilya63 28 October 2013 14: 08 New
    0
    the fact that any chimpanzee with t80 3 from 3 will knock out is a fact, you only need to teach, but the fact that you learn is also a fact, but because everyone has to do their own business, give birth, men, protect, and not vice versa, and in battle you should not think about p.zde, but how to carry out the task with minimal losses, so all this is profanity, so any biped has enough trash, regardless of gender
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 28 October 2013 14: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: ilya63
      the fact that any chimpanzee with t80 3 from 3 will knock out is a fact, you only need to teach, but the fact that you learn is also a fact, but because everyone has to do their own business, give birth, men, protect, and not vice versa, and in battle you should not think about p.zde, but how to carry out the task with minimal losses, so all this is profanity, so any biped has enough trash, regardless of gender


      You are talking nonsense. One does not exclude the other. Tank instructor in the IDF.
      1. ilya63
        ilya63 28 October 2013 16: 49 New
        0
        you are a troll and all that you can just talk in tongues, but I don’t want to say anything about Juden, they are not fighters by definition, the mentality is different and the country is different (although there are enough Russians in the Israeli army)
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 October 2013 17: 12 New
          0
          Quote: ilya63
          you are a troll and all that you can just talk in tongues, but I don’t want to say anything about Juden, they are not fighters by definition, the mentality is different and the country is different (although there are enough Russians in the Israeli army)

          Are you a Nazi?
  • Neighbor
    Neighbor 28 October 2013 14: 09 New
    +2
    For the sake of my dear woman, I’ll postpone all my affairs so that I don’t sit with a longing by the window — I’ll either set fire to a shugan, or set fire to a hut — you cannot do it without your favorite work ... You won’t get enough horses for everyone, even in tanks, women are tankers.
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 28 October 2013 14: 11 New
    12
    I have no doubt that women, with proper preparation, will be able to “bump” and “leave” upscale.
    They can even load shells, they can clean the barrel after firing.

    But to produce a DAILY and COMPLETE service - NO.
    This is categorical and without comment.

    All the rare facts that are available just speak of this as exceptional cases. And now, thank God, not a war ...
    Sincere Respect to WWII Female Tankers ...

    There is a certain threshold of physical capabilities.
    And at the moment, this tank will lick and service the entire technical composition of the tank fleet.
    And no such commander will send such a crew to the Caucasus. He is not an enemy to himself.
    What for it is necessary? Sportrot and other rubbish that eh little on the neck?
    Respectfully women in the Army, but THIS is a bust. Played in the "new trends".

    This is how the populism of service in the Army - where else did not go. And then the guys almost turned into women.
    1. svp67
      svp67 28 October 2013 14: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Aleks tv
      I respect women in the Army with Respect, but THIS is too much. Played in the "new trends".

      Alexey hi
      It seems that some of the "political officers" "got in a hurry ..." I remembered the Soviet times with their initiatives ...
      There are only slogans
      The female tank crew, along with the men, showed their skills in testing military units in the Jewish Autonomous Region.

      But in reality
      Tasks for girls commander changed. At the approach to the firing line, shooting, unlike male crews, was conducted from the spot. Time when performing tasks was not taken into account.
      Well WHERE ARE HERE ON A par?
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 28 October 2013 14: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        It seems that some of the "political officers" "got in a hurry ..." I remembered the Soviet times with their initiatives ...

        laughing
        good

        Or ... someone from the command staff to the higher authorities somewhere is licking something ...
        After all, no one will utter a word against, after all, everyone knows whose patronage this is (competition) ...
        Heh. Everything is as usual.

        Sergey, glad to hear.
        hi
        1. svp67
          svp67 28 October 2013 14: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: Aleks tv
          Sergey, glad to hear.

          Mutually ... Joy is not joy when she is alone ... fellow
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 28 October 2013 14: 47 New
            +2
            Hi brothers, I am not against women on the tank, but only like this laughing
            1. svp67
              svp67 28 October 2013 14: 51 New
              0
              Alexander hi
              Quote: Alex 241
              Hi brothers, I am not against women on the tank, but only like this


              Well, here she is on the TANK, and those were in the TANK ...
              In general, a photo from the region - "soldier's erotic fantasies"
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 28 October 2013 14: 57 New
                0
                Training for female tank crews has begun in the Amur region. Two female tank crews will master combat vehicles for six months. And in 2014, they will take part in the tank biathlon, which is planned to be held regularly. At the training ground, the tasks are still the simplest: get into the tank, start and drive off. Each participant of the course has received specialization and during the exercises performs certain duties of a crew member. According to the standard - in 11 seconds, each must take its place in the tank. It took a lot of effort to load the guns. it is quite difficult for a female crew to lift a 24-kilogram projectile onto a tank. The commander of the tank battalion Dmitry Usik says: “It’s not working yet, the shells are heavy, the armor doesn’t like weak muscles, so while we are helping, it’s difficult for them to climb onto cars, take their regular places, but practice will be, we will practice, we will conduct classes. I think our girls will show their class at these competitions. "Currently, six future women tankers are trained to drive cars in their unit, following the results of training in a motorized rifle brigade in Yekaterinoslavka, they will be sent to the district training center , which is located in the Khabarovsk Territory, where girls will receive the specialty of a mechanic instructor for tank troops. The best of the collected course will be included in the crew, which will represent the Amur combined-arms unit at the district tank biathlon competitions.
            2. svp67
              svp67 28 October 2013 14: 56 New
              +3
              If now someone started the engine of this "UDeshka" - the beauty wouldn’t think a little, a month would be washed off the oil ... wassat
            3. novobranets
              novobranets 28 October 2013 17: 49 New
              0
              Is it instead of "Arena"? So the paint on the hatch frame will peel off. laughing
            4. bask
              bask 28 October 2013 19: 47 New
              0
              Quote: Alex 241
              Hi brothers, I am not against women on the tank, but only that

              Or so. laughing
            5. svp67
              svp67 28 October 2013 21: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: Alex 241
              but just like that

              And so?
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 28 October 2013 21: 31 New
                +1
                Our most beautiful !!!!!!!!
                1. svp67
                  svp67 28 October 2013 21: 34 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  Our most beautiful !!!!!!!!

                  beautiful and the stretch is not bad ... 5.5
                2. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 28 October 2013 22: 29 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  Our most beautiful !!!!!!!!

                  Of course, Sanya!
                  yes
                  good
                  .................

                  Take a look at how the Cossack works ...
                  Peeping. Behind the apparent simplicity, a perfectly refined technicality. Not everyone can do that.

                  But in the tank ... she does not belong.
                  Not that calico.
    2. 77bor1973
      77bor1973 28 October 2013 14: 33 New
      +2
      I completely agree, I am not against a woman in the army, I am against a woman in a park, in a "dirty tankach" with my hands clogged with fuel oil pores, everyday maintenance of equipment is not for women.
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 28 October 2013 14: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Aleks tv
      But to produce a DAILY and COMPLETE service - NO.
      This is categorical and without comment.

      IDF tank instructors would argue with you
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 28 October 2013 15: 07 New
        +7
        Quote: Pimply
        IDF tank instructors would argue with you

        Good day Eugene.
        I see no reason to argue. Briefly (this topic was already on the site):

        Replacing the harp - really tearing your back.
        Replacing the battery is simply difficult.
        Loading in AZ - NEVER there was a case that did not rip off his hands in the blood.
        Field exits - a separate conversation. The living conditions are rude. Maintenance of equipment is the hardest.
        Winter march - frostbite of limbs and face. Spoiled lungs.
        A huge risk of really crippling.
        Always stink of diesel fuel and lithol.
        Constant lack of sleep and twitching nerves - well, this is a universal sign of service in the LINEAR troops.
        And how then to give birth with such health? ...
        For those who give an example with other Armies, I dare to remind you, we have ... - The Red Army.

        And again, no commander will send such a crew to a hot spot.

        And why such ... ostentatious tankers? And the environmental conditions of those parts where the experiment is being carried out I know oh how good ...

        Window dressing is. No options.
        1. svp67
          svp67 28 October 2013 15: 15 New
          +4
          Quote: Aleks tv
          we have ... - The Red Army.

          I subscribe to every word.
          And he always treated women in the army conscientiously in their work with HUGE RESPECT. Somehow, during his service in the training unit, he trained mechanics for a long time, and so the battalion paramedic, VALENTINA MALTSEVA, was supposed to make "100 kilometer marches" as part of a tank column, at the gunner's place in one of three months a year and without any reproaches or whining. It must be, it must be. Fair hi hi hi и soldier
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 28 October 2013 15: 20 New
            +2
            Our girls from the AO group, great respect. Well, and as usual the girls from the dining room, I still remember the starting breakfast hi soldier
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 28 October 2013 15: 17 New
          0
          Quote: Aleks tv
          Replacing the harp - really tearing your back.
          Replacing the battery is simply difficult.
          Loading in AZ - NEVER there was a case that did not rip off his hands in the blood.
          Field exits - a separate conversation. The living conditions are rude. Maintenance of equipment is the hardest.
          Winter march - frostbite of limbs and face. Spoiled lungs.
          A huge risk of really crippling.
          Always stink of diesel fuel and lithol.
          Constant lack of sleep and twitching nerves - well, this is a universal sign of service in the LINEAR troops.
          And how then to give birth with such health? ...
          For those who give an example with other Armies, I dare to remind you, we have ... - The Red Army.


          But for peasants, how then to make children, live, work, serve? The whole question is not whether to serve women or men, but to create normal conditions of service for all.
          1. svp67
            svp67 28 October 2013 15: 24 New
            +3
            Quote: Pimply
            But for peasants, how then to make children, live, work, serve?

            With normal development and appropriate physical training, which is achieved in normal physical training classes, the loads are not extreme, but normal ... In addition, everything must be done SKILLLY, otherwise it is possible to break with a fool and a "fool" than children do?
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 28 October 2013 15: 26 New
              +2
              Quote: svp67
              break the dork
              As they say glass member fool for a while laughing
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 28 October 2013 15: 28 New
              +1
              About that and speech. The main thing is to go with all your head.
          2. svp67
            svp67 28 October 2013 15: 28 New
            +2
            Quote: Pimply
            The whole question is not whether to serve women or men, but to create normal conditions of service for all.

            I agree, but the batteries weigh, on average, 75 kg, and there are four of them, the wedge-shutter is 72 kg, God forbid, the torsion bars of the hatch have broken, the effort to open it is 50 kg, etc. and so on ... Whether you like it or not, but physical training is NOT The LAST thing that is required when serving on tanks ... "Armor does not like flabby muscles .."
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 28 October 2013 15: 30 New
              0
              Quote: svp67
              I agree, but the batteries weigh, on average, 75 kg, and there are four of them, the wedge-shutter is 72 kg, God forbid, the torsion bars of the hatch have broken, the effort to open it is 50 kg, etc. and so on ... Whether you like it or not, but physical training is NOT The LAST thing that is required when serving on tanks ... "Armor does not like flabby muscles .."

              I don’t argue a bit.
        3. Pimply
          Pimply 28 October 2013 15: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: Aleks tv
          And again, no commander will send such a crew to a hot spot.

          And why such ... ostentatious tankers? And the environmental conditions of those regions where the experiment is conducted I know oh how good ..

          This is the question - why are purely female crews, when mixed ones are possible. Why ostentatiousness, when normal preparation is possible.
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 28 October 2013 16: 14 New
            +2
            Quote: Pimply
            This is the question - why are purely female crews, when mixed ones are possible.

            Maybe ... I will not say categorically.
            But obviously not at this time. It has not come yet, but rather, let it not come.
            1. svp67
              svp67 28 October 2013 16: 19 New
              +2
              Quote: Pimply
              This is the question - why are purely female crews, when mixed ones are possible.

              only as a "mobilization reserve", as well as God FOREVER ... Not only is it hard, it is DIRTY.

              It could be worse
              Well, not FEMALE this thing. So, I agree, completely with Alexei

              Quote: Aleks tv
              But obviously not at this time. It has not come yet, but rather, let it not come.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 28 October 2013 16: 23 New
                0
                Quote: svp67
                only as a "mobilization reserve", as well as God FOREVER ... Not only is it hard, but also DIRTY. Well, it's not a WOMAN's business. So, I agree, completely with Alexey

                Therefore it is necessary to prohibit? Let them choose for themselves.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 28 October 2013 16: 38 New
                  0
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Therefore it is necessary to prohibit?

                  DO NOT FORBID, NOT RECOMMENDED. Agree does not sound so categorical, but it acts the same. Women must be protected so that they can give birth to children normally ...
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 28 October 2013 17: 13 New
                    0
                    Quote: svp67
                    DO NOT FORBID, NOT RECOMMENDED. Agree does not sound so categorical, but it acts the same. Women must be protected so that they can give birth to children normally ...

                    This is the same as forbidding. No need to replace concepts.
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 28 October 2013 17: 53 New
                      0
                      Quote: Pimply
                      This is the same as forbidding. No need to replace concepts.

                      You do not confuse ...
                      Prohibition - Categorical Form - No
                      Not to recommend - it still leaves a chance, who really wants to, that will not stop ...
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 28 October 2013 18: 16 New
                        0
                        Quote: svp67
                        Not to recommend - it still leaves a chance, who really wants to, that will not stop ...

                        Do not recommend in the form that you propose to prohibit equally.
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 28 October 2013 16: 19 New
              -2
              Quote: Aleks tv
              Maybe ... I will not say categorically.
              But obviously not at this time. It has not come yet, but rather, let it not come.

              150 years ago, a woman who graduated from university was nonsen. In my opinion, everyone should serve - men, women. Without fail. Duty to the country should be paid by all. If not in active service, then in alternative service.
              1. svp67
                svp67 28 October 2013 16: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: Pimply
                Duty to the country should be repaid by everyone.

                men, if they consider themselves as such, without fail ... And the female duty to the country is to give birth to children, and more ...
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 28 October 2013 17: 13 New
                  0
                  Quote: svp67
                  men, if they consider themselves as such, without fail ... And a woman’s duty to the country is to give birth to children, and more ...

                  only if?
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 28 October 2013 17: 54 New
                    0
                    Quote: Pimply
                    only if?

                    Sorry, but men still do not know how to do this, so there is no choice ...
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 28 October 2013 18: 17 New
                      0
                      Quote: svp67
                      Sorry, but men still do not know how to do this, so there is no choice ...

                      That is, only that a woman can give birth is a decisive factor? Well then, let's lock women at home. They are much more likely to die on the street under the wheels of cars.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 28 October 2013 18: 22 New
                        0
                        Quote: Pimply
                        That is, only that a woman can give birth is a decisive factor?

                        In this case, YES. And so with the birth rate we do not really ...
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Well then, let's lock women at home.

                        Well, don't bend it. I stand up for rationality, and I don't think that girls should be drafted into the army en masse, especially into the tank troops. They want to serve and are fit for performance - you are welcome, but without "unnecessary fanaticism ..." They will always find a place in the "battle formation", in particular, where special accuracy and perseverance is needed ...
                        Even the IDF women are not sent to the "first line", that is, they are not sent directly into battle, they seem to constitute an "active reserve", but serve "in second positions" - as instructors in training units, in particular ...
        4. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 28 October 2013 15: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: Aleks tv
          Window dressing is. No options.

          Eh, it’s a pity that there are no tanks on the frame. From their appearance, I would really enjoy.
          Or did they send help to them, and they are inside carrots?
          1. svp67
            svp67 28 October 2013 17: 14 New
            0
            Quote: Hedgehog
            Or did they send help to them, and they are inside carrots?

            They "drove Carrots" there, and the men, now "are raking it ..." Everything is like everywhere else ...
  • Larus
    Larus 28 October 2013 14: 21 New
    +4
    I understand when it’s war, to defend the homeland and all that. But why do we need this window dress about equality where it is not needed, why climb to where it’s difficult sometimes for a man.
    A woman was originally intended to give birth to children and keep a home, so that a man, coming home, would feel that he was not in vain killing there and that he was expected and loved.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 28 October 2013 14: 25 New
    0
    Come on, for more women in the army, there men will figure out who is capable of what)))
  • starhina01
    starhina01 28 October 2013 14: 34 New
    +1
    I’m not a supporter of such an army’s popularization. I myself serve everything I know perfectly soldier
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 28 October 2013 14: 36 New
    0
    Window dressing and profanity of combat training.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 28 October 2013 14: 37 New
    +1
    Girls are tank instructors in the IDF. Speaking of shells



    1. svp67
      svp67 28 October 2013 14: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Pimply
      Speaking of shells

      Can I find out the weight of the shells?
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 28 October 2013 15: 00 New
        0
        Quote: svp67
        Can I find out the weight of the shells?

        I'll look for
  • lexa-xa
    lexa-xa 28 October 2013 14: 47 New
    0
    Window dressing, as well as parts of CA.
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 28 October 2013 15: 09 New
    +4
    Tasks for girls commander changed. At the approach to the firing line, shooting, unlike male crews, was conducted from the spot. Time when performing tasks was not taken into account.

    There was a compartment of fighters for a tray of shells left, and even heavy. And second half of the battalion. Goose dogs are also heavy.
    I do not approve of this. Only the window dressing began, and already heavy shells. The farther, the more requests. And worse for business.
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 28 October 2013 15: 26 New
    +6
    "Army reforms are gaining momentum. Representatives of the fairer sex are already preparing for service in the tank forces, despite the difficulties they will face."

    Well, what kind of "momentum" is it gaining? Guys do not go to the army on the offered terms. Have you decided to ride on women's shoulders and pass it off as a fucking patriotic impulse of a woman's heart? There is no normal work, so women are forced to somehow survive. Reform ... Female crews ... They, these "military leaders", pulled the burned-out crews out of the tanks? No shame, no conscience, no words! Who will give birth, maybe you, gentlemen generals?
  • DPN
    DPN 28 October 2013 15: 27 New
    0
    It’s just that women are going crazy, and maybe the need freezes.
  • M. Peter
    M. Peter 28 October 2013 15: 48 New
    +4
    After the tank biathlon, well, the one that was shown all over the country, our region all three shots and all by ...
    In short, because of such a shameful performance, our "division" did not let the city sleep for a month, apparently received a good scolding for such "performance", it was booming day and night, practicing shooting. winked
  • cumastra1
    cumastra1 28 October 2013 16: 02 New
    +3
    There have always been women warriors. Not massively, but always. Even in the days of exclusively male armies. Let's remember our cavalry girl, and even Jeanne Dark, in the First World War - women's shock battalions, I'm not talking about the Second World War. Air regiments, snipers, radio operators Kat. Women are quite capable of fully fighting. Understand correctly - not "should", but "capable" - feel the difference. In Israel there "must" and then the female units in battle (in a linear battle) were not thrown even in the most difficult moments of war. And ours were thrown! and they fought as well as men.
    I was in Egypt, rode to Jerusalem, on the border - a mass of ladies in bulletproof vests, hung with weapons ... only the candelabra were not enough. Not for beauty.
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  • moreman78
    moreman78 28 October 2013 16: 05 New
    -4
    [quote = alex xnumx]
    Female tankers began to be trained in the Amur Region. Two female tank crews will master combat vehicles within six months. / quote]
    Oh and scary what! Just like in a song - YOU ARE NOT DYED AND SCARED - DARK!
    1. svp67
      svp67 28 October 2013 19: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: moreman78
      Oh and scary what!

      Well, you are foolish, they are NORMAL ... those that live next to us. But there are enough frank handsome men in the army ...



  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 28 October 2013 16: 14 New
    +3
    Quote: moreman78
    Oh and scary what!
    Such expressions do not color a man. A similar opinion could be kept with you.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 28 October 2013 17: 20 New
      +1
      ..........................................
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 28 October 2013 17: 27 New
        0
        Social reporting: In the Amur region, the female crew of the T-72 tank is preparing to participate in the tank biathlon
        1. svp67
          svp67 29 October 2013 00: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Alex 241
          Social reporting:

          Now everything fell into place. Some of the "nashalniks" want to enter Moscow "on a white horse" ... Women do not have professional skills - tankers, they are recruited from wherever, there is the head of the warehouse, and so on. and so on ... And they teach "along the way ..." That is why shooting from the spot and the time for shooting is not limited. And they are not afraid that the tank can be disabled or shot in the wrong direction, and this is not rarely done by trained crews ... negative
  • AX
    AX 28 October 2013 16: 17 New
    +5
    I myself serve in the Amur Region ... For a long time ... Window dressing ... I assure ... 100% ... Guys told ...
    1. kirpich
      kirpich 28 October 2013 16: 27 New
      0
      Window dressing or not, time will tell. It only feels to me that our paws do some very cool ones.
      P.S. They’re not scary, just the photographer’s hands are crooked (He can’t pick the angle)
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 28 October 2013 17: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: kirpich
        Window dressing or not, time will tell. It only feels to me that our paws do some very cool ones.
        P.S. They’re not scary, just the photographer’s hands are crooked (He can’t pick the angle)


        Judging by the description - for now, window dressing.
      2. AX
        AX 28 October 2013 17: 25 New
        +2
        You should have seen these "sweethearts" that the AK-74M cannot distinguish from the PM ...
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 October 2013 17: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: AX
          You should have seen these "sweethearts" that the AK-74M cannot distinguish from the PM ...

          This is a trouble preparation
          1. svp67
            svp67 28 October 2013 17: 39 New
            +3
            Quote: Pimply
            This is a trouble preparation

            Meanwhile, somewhere in the East ...
            1. catapractic
              catapractic 28 October 2013 23: 18 New
              0
              getting ready ...
  • anarh
    anarh 28 October 2013 16: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: seller trucks
    Alexander Mitrofanovna Rashchupkin was not allowed to go to war.

    Of course, a hero.
    But let this be the exception. God willing, enough men.
  • kaktus
    kaktus 28 October 2013 16: 48 New
    0
    The century passes ... And again,
    like that immemorial year
    he will stop the horse
    will enter a burning hut ...
    She would like to live differently
    wear a precious outfit
    and the horses all gallop and gallop,
    and the huts burn and burn ...

    N. Korzhavin
    1. kirpich
      kirpich 28 October 2013 19: 45 New
      0
      ... And maybe it’s worth all the women
      Putting a grip on your shoulder
      Gentle, so my husband’s ear
      Whisper with a gasp - And Cho?
      I drowned the hut for a long time,
      Cattle is on the ranking ...
      ... Ah, the tank, for you, I, mu..la,
      Should I drive in caponier? !!!
  • Migari
    Migari 28 October 2013 16: 55 New
    +3
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    The horse will stop racing, if it’s necessary, it’s a shot from the tank! fellow

    So the question is, why is this necessary? Women and tanks? Of course, I understand the Jewish Autonomous Region, women like in Israel and in tanks laughing
    And why, what besides PR, empty and cheap, as well as a waste of money? Russia is not Israel, in Russia there is no need for girls to serve, especially in military units. I would prefer not to serve in Israel, women have a different purpose, but we have a small country and resources are simply not enough and therefore women serve, I think from some hopelessness, but why is it for Russia? Are there few men? Of course, now I’m being attacked, the woman is the same person, she’s laying the sleepers, they work as welders, and the same thing at the construction sites - why not the vtank, I think if there is no concrete reason for the survival of the state, women have nothing to do in combat troops

    I completely agree with us that the men have transferred, for me the word is a woman, this is a wife, sister, daughters, and why should this circus be organized, there are a lot of places in the army for women, starting from medical sanbat to communication, and they do very well, because in its place.
  • msv
    msv 28 October 2013 17: 04 New
    +5
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Quote: Pimply
    IDF tank instructors would argue with you

    Good day Eugene.
    I see no reason to argue. Briefly (this topic was already on the site):

    Replacing the harp - really tearing your back.
    Replacing the battery is simply difficult.
    Loading in AZ - NEVER there was a case that did not rip off his hands in the blood.
    Field exits - a separate conversation. The living conditions are rude. Maintenance of equipment is the hardest.
    Winter march - frostbite of limbs and face. Spoiled lungs.
    A huge risk of really crippling.
    Always stink of diesel fuel and lithol.
    Constant lack of sleep and twitching nerves - well, this is a universal sign of service in the LINEAR troops.
    And how then to give birth with such health? ...
    For those who give an example with other Armies, I dare to remind you, we have ... - The Red Army.

    And again, no commander will send such a crew to a hot spot.

    And why such ... ostentatious tankers? And the environmental conditions of those parts where the experiment is being carried out I know oh how good ...

    Window dressing is. No options.

    I would put 2 plus if I could. Just reload the PKT machine gun or put it in the tank - for a manicure, of course, murder. Meanwhile, there are a lot of military professions where women can safely serve not only no worse than men, but possibly better. In addition to traditional medicine, telecom operators, operators of various complexes in the air defense, Strategic Missile Forces, etc. That is, where serious physical activity is not so important, but intelligence is more important. And I’m not against that. Although a woman must keep the "hearth".
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 28 October 2013 17: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: msv
      Just reload the PKT machine gun or put it in a tank - for manicure, of course, killing.
      It all depends on the 8 manicure)
    2. svp67
      svp67 28 October 2013 17: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: msv
      but more important is intelligence.

      more ACCURACY and RESPONSIBILITY ...
  • AX
    AX 28 October 2013 17: 30 New
    +2
    By the way ... I almost forgot ... Our "Comanche", that eyewash ...
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 October 2013 18: 00 New
    +4
    In general, it is not for nothing that such a monumental monument in Stalingrad was erected to our women "Motherland Calls!" If it were not for them, we would not have won the Second World War (and other wars) .. In the rear, men were replaced (in factories .. they plowed on themselves and at the front they fought at the level.!
    I wrote here something like this (maybe not quite in the subject, but the memory of the scout) in the Second World War:
    In the fortified area of ​​the Germans had to get a serious language. Two groups of experienced scouts did not return. They send a third and two fragile girls with men (18 years old), one radio operator, the second nurse .. They successfully took the major with a briefcase (100 kg each), the persecution started .. We can’t tear myself away (a German turned his leg and it’s impossible to shoot an order!) In total, 1 -2 there remained scouts to cover the main group from persecution (naturally perished) The girls remained exhausted (the German refused to go on his own with a smirk, realizing that he would not be killed because he was very important and waiting for the moment when the girls were completely exhausted ..) And such a moment has arrived .. The decision was made at some subconscious level without words .. The nurse laid out her simple medical equipment bandages, plaits, syringes with a horse dose of pain medication in front of the Germans .. I pulled out a special forces knife with a saw .. (the German was perplexed watching all this .. not understanding) A when we started to cut the legs on the legs, feeling them, He understood everything at once !! He ran to the front line and was still driven by us laden with our things .. (Then they asked her a question. And would you do that? She waved her head in the affirmative .. We depended on many lives and we had to complete the task ... That's something I’m like Sorry .. Sorry .. Just imagine and that's it ..
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 28 October 2013 18: 11 New
      +5
      No one detracts from the virtues of our girls, and smart, and beautiful! But to push them into the tank, for the sake of someone's irrepressible ambitions ...............
      1. svp67
        svp67 28 October 2013 18: 42 New
        +5
        Quote: Alex 241
        But to push them into a tank, for the sake of someone's indefatigable ambitions ...............

        And the main thing to do from this is SHOW ...
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 28 October 2013 18: 57 New
          +5
          We found a new entertaining tank-biathlon, now they will stupidly train the girls for the result, in a year they will joyfully report, they will screw the star to someone, the stripes are wider for someone. And then what?
          1. bask
            bask 28 October 2013 19: 02 New
            +4
            Quote: svp67
            And the main thing to do from this is SHOW ...

            Quote: Alex 241
            new entertaining-tank biathlon, now the girls will be stupidly trained

            In my opinion this is a complete madhouse arranged by a fenugreek with a Maltese cross.
            In place of conducting COMPLETE EXERCISES, they play games, and now the women have been pulled up.
            That in MO, there is no place to put money.
            How much $$$ they spent on these games could already buy a new T-90 MS.
            1. svp67
              svp67 28 October 2013 19: 05 New
              +3
              Quote: bask
              In my opinion this is a complete madhouse

              With us, any normal undertaking can be nullified.
              It is necessary to popularize army service, but not to reduce to reduce the entire army service to SHOW ...
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 28 October 2013 19: 09 New
                +4
                Quote: svp67
                With us, any normal undertaking can be nullified.
                Seryozha, I would say a little differently:
                We can bring any normal undertaking to the point of absurdity.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 28 October 2013 19: 11 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  We can bring any normal undertaking to the point of absurdity.

                  It is truth too yes
            2. Alex 241
              Alex 241 28 October 2013 19: 06 New
              +1
              Andryukh I think not even one.
      2. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 28 October 2013 19: 03 New
        +2
        Our girls are the most beautiful and clever! photo class .. And in the tanks we have the glory of God there is someone to fight! If hard times come, they will cover us (in the rear and not only), as always in our history .. Looking at such looking, we will tear the whole planet apart ..! "The machine gunner scribbles for a blue handkerchief ....."
  • avg
    avg 28 October 2013 18: 41 New
    +2
    Ah well done commander Serge Solomatin! How he picked up and developed the initiative! It’s time to report to the Minister! good
  • SkyMaXX
    SkyMaXX 28 October 2013 18: 58 New
    0
    Wait, which shell 25 kg? After all, the tank has an automatic loader or am I confusing something?
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 28 October 2013 19: 19 New
      0
      First BC must be loaded into the tank, this is the responsibility of the crew.
      1. svp67
        svp67 28 October 2013 19: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: Alex 241
        First BC must be loaded into the tank, this is the responsibility of the crew.

        And for one more and serve ... and swallow dust
    2. svp67
      svp67 28 October 2013 20: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: SkyMaXX
      Wait, which shell 25 kg? After all, the tank has an automatic loader or am I confusing something?

      And in the "conveyor" he gets "by the dictates of the pike ..."?
      No, all this "splendor"

      goes through the skillful hands of the crew ...

      1. bask
        bask 28 October 2013 22: 04 New
        0
        Quote: svp67

        And in the "conveyor" he gets "by the dictates of the pike ..."?
        No, all this "splendor"

        For DAM, design a transport-loading machine. repeat
  • xan
    xan 28 October 2013 19: 01 New
    +7
    I put pluses to all those who are against the woman in the tank!
    And indeed a woman in the army has no place, except for purely female collectives of signalmen, doctors, at the headquarters of something. I would still allow prisoners to interrogate.
    Let the rear of the civilian cover.
    Personally, I can’t fight with a female fellow soldier, purely mentally.
  • Bogranz
    Bogranz 28 October 2013 19: 05 New
    +6
    May the girls forgive me, but "from a woman soldier, like a tampax shell". In battle, will the enemy also make a relaxation for them in the form of the ability to fire not in motion, but from a place?
  • yurii p
    yurii p 28 October 2013 19: 05 New
    +5
    . "When approaching the firing line, the shooting, unlike the male crews, was carried out from the spot. Time was not taken into account when completing assignments." ............ all this is strange, again they held an event for show (like in our country they like to blow up dust "-MARAZM.
  • Borz
    Borz 28 October 2013 19: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: Pimply
    Quote: domokl
    To how in the United States to comply with the norm, be sure a black man and a woman?

    Why do you think that they have it?

    Tolerance, sir!
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 October 2013 19: 12 New
    +3
    Quote: xan
    I put pluses to all those who are against the woman in the tank!
    And indeed a woman in the army has no place, except for purely female collectives of signalmen, doctors, at the headquarters of something. I would still allow prisoners to interrogate.
    Let the rear of the civilian cover.
    Personally, I can’t fight with a female fellow soldier, purely mentally.

    I agree this article if (to put it mildly) humiliates the men of the tank crew .. PR is some kind of clean water!
  • APASUS
    APASUS 28 October 2013 19: 33 New
    +2
    We do not have a war, there are no problems with personnel either - I am against it!
    I’m not trying to belittle the possibilities of women, but there’s a limit to the need. Just look at how some sports disfigure a woman, and then a tank.
    Pampering is all !!
  • Black
    Black 28 October 2013 21: 04 New
    +3
    Quote: APASUS
    Pampering is all !!


    I do not think.
    Calculation of the fool of the voter. Show and cancan, Idiocy, instead of real combat training.
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 28 October 2013 21: 12 New
    +3
    Alexandra Samusenko - commander of a tank battalion.
  • Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 28 October 2013 21: 13 New
    +3
    Tasks for girls commander changed. At the approach to the firing line, shooting, unlike male crews, was conducted from the spot. Time when performing tasks was not taken into account.

    Yeah, in a real battle, the commander escapes to the enemy and asks him to stand still another hour, while these unfortunate tankmen will shoot back at him. lol And the shells for them, you see, are heavy ...
    Yes, curlers with pots are heavier. What did you think? And what did you forget in these tanks ??? fool
    1. xan
      xan 31 October 2013 01: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Jogan-64
      Tasks for girls commander changed. At the approach to the firing line, shooting, unlike male crews, was conducted from the spot. Time when performing tasks was not taken into account.

      Yeah, in a real battle, the commander escapes to the enemy and asks him to stand still another hour, while these unfortunate tankmen will shoot back at him. lol And the shells for them, you see, are heavy ...
      Yes, curlers with pots are heavier. What did you think? And what did you forget in these tanks ??? fool

      I would have fought with such aunts
      but why are they in the tank and in the trench?
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 28 October 2013 21: 20 New
    0
    Quote: Army1
    Do we have pilots? Seriously.

    I don’t know how in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but in the ZS of Ukraine there was such an "experiment" after landing on the belly, the experiment ended laughing