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The law on recovery of damage from relatives of terrorists

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The law on recovery of damage from relatives of terrorists



The State Duma deputies in the second and third readings adopted a law according to which the state receives the right to recover the damage caused as a result of the terrorist act from the relatives of the terrorist.

The property will be confiscated in favor of the state if the relatives of the terrorist cannot prove the legality of its acquisition, according to an explanatory note to the law published on the website of the State Duma.

The bill was submitted to the State Duma on September 27 at the initiative of Russian President Vladimir Putin. In the first reading, the bill was passed on October 15.
On Tuesday, Pavel Krasheninnikov, head of the Duma Committee on Civil Legislation, said that deputies are planning to speed up the toughening of punishment for terrorist activities.

Recall, October 21 in the afternoon at a stop of public transport "Lesobaza" a suicide bomber detonated an explosive device in a bus. The victims of the attack were six people, more than 50 suffered.

A criminal case of terrorist attack. According to preliminary data from the UK, a self-detonation in the bus was made by 30-year-old native of Dagestan, Naida Asiyalova. She had not previously been wanted and was not prosecuted. But it is known that she was the civil wife of the Russian Wahhabi Dmitry Sokolov.

It was Sokolov who prepared the death belt for Madina Aliyeva, which exploded on May 25 in the center of Makhachkala. He also prepared explosive devices for blasting deli 24 and Kristall on August 4 in Makhachkala.

Currently not only Sokolov is being searched, but also suspected accomplices of the suicide bomber Ruslan Kazanbiev and Kurban Omarov, who are also suspected of involvement in 16 murders.
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  1. rumatam
    rumatam 26 October 2013 07: 25
    39
    It was high time, they live according to medieval laws, so let them answer in the same way in chorus.
    1. a52333
      a52333 26 October 2013 07: 28
      21
      Good law. Additional brake for the terrorist.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 26 October 2013 07: 35
        39
        Good but not enough. In Israel, the house of a terrorist is demolished. Maybe the Russian Federation makes sense to follow the example of the Jews? All the same, no one will buy this house, and if he does, then the relatives of the terrorist will not forgive this, with all that it implies. And most likely a piece of paper will be presented that they legally own, so it is better for a bulldozer.
        1. fklj
          fklj 26 October 2013 07: 56
          +1
          In Israel, the house of a terrorist is demolished. Maybe the Russian Federation makes sense to follow the example of the Jews?

          What to do with an apartment in a panel nine-story building?
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 26 October 2013 08: 16
            +3
            Quote: fklj
            In Israel, the house of a terrorist is demolished. Maybe the Russian Federation makes sense to follow the example of the Jews?

            What to do with an apartment in a panel nine-story building?

            It seems that during the intifada it somehow flashed that as a punishment for a terrorist who lived in a multi-family house, the part where his family lived was flooded with concrete. In the nine-story building from such overlap they can’t stand it, but you can find other ways to make the apartment unsuitable for living.
            Yes, and an apartment in a 9-story building, presumably in the city, unless of course it is not in places like Grozny or Makhachkala, unlike a house in a village, it can very well be sold.
          2. atalef
            atalef 26 October 2013 08: 23
            11
            Quote: fklj
            In Israel, the house of a terrorist is demolished. Maybe the Russian Federation makes sense to follow the example of the Jews?

            What to do with an apartment in a panel nine-story building?

            In general, this is not, maybe the Arabs do not live in much
            All of them also have their own houses, but as an option, you can confiscate the apartment or concrete the entrance and windows (we did it at the same time, because the left did not have to blow up the whole house, but only the room where the terrorist lived. After a year they realized that it wasn’t works and returned to the old practice - the demolition of the house. True, this has not happened for a long time since I don’t even remember when there was a suicide attack or something like that
            1. Dovmont
              Dovmont 26 October 2013 08: 38
              12
              why concrete? to give confiscated housing to large families, low-income or single mothers - a bunch of options. And to disable apartments in apartment buildings is simply stupid. Moreover, water pipes passing through such apartments can also leak, and what should neighbors do in this case? Tackle jackhammers?
              1. atalef
                atalef 26 October 2013 09: 39
                15
                Quote: Dovmont
                why concrete? to give confiscated housing to large families, low-income or single mothers - a bunch of options.

                not a bunch at all, Arabs live compactly in their villages (though often the size of a good city) there are so many Arabs living together in the cities and they are much more advanced and are usually not involved in terrorist activities. so the Arabs living in the villages are divided into clans the same way (like Chechens or Dagestanis), and now I want to see how the terrorist’s house will be given to a representative of another clan (it’s certainly not worth his own because tomorrow he (the terrorist will return back)) so they won’t give him life, and he won’t go by himself. therefore, to destroy this is the only real way
                1. Genry
                  Genry 26 October 2013 11: 38
                  0
                  A house is primarily a piece of land. And in the village plots are in great demand, therefore they will be bought by friends or strangers, with or without a house, for a good price - compensation to the state budget.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 26 October 2013 12: 25
                    14
                    They won’t buy neither their own nor strangers, they need to understand their mentality, and they won’t be able to recover damages (I don’t know what the law looks like, I would like to read the original interpretation), no court will force us to pay compensation with relatives' live money if their direct involvement is proved therefore, the destruction of the house where the terrorist will live is the only real solution, otherwise the courts that will last for years
                    1. DmitriRazumov
                      DmitriRazumov 26 October 2013 16: 34
                      +2
                      Quote: atalef
                      no court will force the relatives to pay compensation if their direct involvement is proved, then the destruction of the house where the terrorist lives will be the only real solution, otherwise the courts will last for years

                      Here you can only agree ... There is no judicial practice on this topic. Who should be considered relatives and to what extent? To what extent should various relatives, of various levels, be held accountable? This organizer of the last terrorist attack (the Wahhabi’s husband) has a dad who is quite a decent person - a political commander, Kotor. all his life he plowed the great and mighty garrisons, and his son - ... And there are no such examples (Nuriev, etc.). What is now with this military pensioner. gave his whole life to the army, subtract to the last penny to death?
                      1. SPLV
                        SPLV 26 October 2013 17: 01
                        +2
                        The main problem of our time is the destruction of the institution of the family! And who is to blame for the emergence of a terrorist? Neighbors? No, the main responsible persons are the parents! The son may not be responsible for the father, but the father must be responsible for those whom he raised. Otherwise, he is not the head of the family, not the father.
                      2. DmitriRazumov
                        DmitriRazumov 26 October 2013 17: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: SPLV
                        And who is to blame for the emergence of a terrorist? Neighbors? No, the main responsible persons are the parents!

                        Unfortunately, according to the latest data from geneticists, based on an in-depth study of the variation of DNA genes (alleles), the following factors also influence the formation of personality in the following hierarchy:
                        1. Wednesday;
                        2. Genes;
                        3. Family.
                        The family factor is only in 3rd place! The resulting gene combinations in combination with the environment can more than cover all the efforts of parents ...
                      3. SPLV
                        SPLV 27 October 2013 12: 42
                        +1
                        Modern researchers can find evidence of anything. Even that white is black. But if you know a little about genetics, then you should understand that mutations occur over many generations, which means that parents are guilty of the same logic. What about the environment? This is the day of the week. :-) Who caved in under it, who - not. But they learn to react to a situation in childhood. And all the character traits of a person are laid up to three years, after seven years you can teach anything, but the main character traits are already formed and unchanged. If dad promised to take the child to the movies, but became lazy, then there is no trust. If parents bite every day, it’s good if the child gets off with a mild neurosis.
                        To blame everything on genes and the environment is another escape from responsibility!
                      4. atalef
                        atalef 27 October 2013 13: 09
                        0
                        Quote: SPLV
                        Modern researchers can find evidence of anything. Even that white is black. But if you know a little about genetics, then you should understand that mutations occur over many generations, which means that parents are guilty of the same logic. What about the environment? This is the day of the week. :-) Who caved in under it, who - not. But they learn to react to a situation in childhood. And all the character traits of a person are laid up to three years, after seven years you can teach anything, but the main character traits are already formed and unchanged. If dad promised to take the child to the movies, but became lazy, then there is no trust. If parents bite every day, it’s good if the child gets off with a mild neurosis.
                        To blame everything on genes and the environment is another escape from responsibility!

                        and if we delve into the mitochondria of DNA, then in general we are all relatives, to one degree or another, and so we get that the victim will still be a relative and will be exacted from him for state revenue wassat
                      5. DmitriRazumov
                        DmitriRazumov 27 October 2013 14: 32
                        0
                        Quote: SPLV
                        But they learn to react to a situation in childhood. And all the character traits of a person are laid up to three years, after seven years you can teach anything, but the main character traits are already formed and unchanged.

                        There are neuronal responses, positive and negative, to certain situations. Combinations of allele variability are uniquely determined. This is proven by neurobiological data. However, you should pay attention to the environment ... A child, the older he is, spends more time outside the family, watches TV, receives a lot of information from the Internet. It is not the propaganda of moderation, respect for parents and work that dominates there now. Here the so-called factor comes into force. "cultural" niche, when a positive reaction to a certain style of behavior is imposed on individuals. Often family relationships are not able to withstand this wave of depravity and permissiveness.
                        Unfortunately, unlike the Soviet era, at the present stage, in the absence of a pioneer organization, the Komsomol and the loss of the educational function of the school, no one except the church says: "Thou shalt not kill," "Don’t steal," "respect your father and mother," etc. .d. Therefore, the environment has become a particularly dangerous factor in the formation of shit.
                  2. APASUS
                    APASUS 26 October 2013 17: 41
                    +3
                    Quote: SPLV
                    the main problem of our time is the destruction of the institution of the family! And who is to blame for the emergence of a terrorist? Neighbors? No, the main responsible persons are the parents! The son may not be responsible for the father, but the father must be responsible for those whom he raised. Otherwise, he is not the head of the family, not the father.

                    Knowing what kind of foundations they live in the Caucasus, they can’t believe it when they openly say that we didn’t know, just left home ......... honestly I don’t believe it! Almost any problem is solved by birth and unowned children appear here.
                  3. atalef
                    atalef 26 October 2013 20: 22
                    +4
                    Quote: APASUS
                    Knowing what kind of foundations they live in the Caucasus, they can’t believe it when they openly say that we didn’t know, just left home ......... honestly I don’t believe it!

                    And rightly so, at least someone in the family, but 100% knows where the son is, what and how.
                    The Chechen war is an example of this; according to Islam, a corpse must be buried before sunset and the Dagis and Chechens are buried in family cemeteries. There was nothing surprising when, after major clashes, suddenly in the villages loyal to their statements, fresh graves appeared (although before that they had practically torn a vest that they did not know where their son, brother, matchmaker)
                    But for the day it was necessary not only to receive a message, to pick up the body (sometimes for tens of kilometers), but also to bury. Therefore, relatives know where, from whom, how and what.
                    It’s not a criminal case.
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 26 October 2013 10: 46
      +1
      Quote: atalef
      In general, there’s no such thing, because the Arabs don’t live in multi-station buildings, everyone has their own houses,

      So the conversation is not about the Arabs, but about the inhabitants of the North Caucasus. They are the ones who more often take part in terrorist attacks in Russia. Although there is some truth here. In rural areas, there are practically no multi-storey buildings such as urban "cheloveinik"
      For me, this law should oblige relatives to pay all the damage caused by a terrorist. Including moral.
      1. atalef
        atalef 26 October 2013 13: 14
        +6
        Quote: Hedgehog
        So after all, the conversation is not about Arabs, but about the inhabitants of the North Caucasus

        There is no difference, the mentality is the same

        Quote: Hedgehog
        For me, this law should oblige relatives to pay all the damage caused by a terrorist. Including moral.

        The law will not work in this hypostasis, you can not hope, more precisely there will be endless courts and a zilch at the exit
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 26 October 2013 14: 28
          0
          Quote: atalef
          There is no difference, the mentality is the same

          I would say that it is similar. Only. Among the Caucasian tribes, the norms of more ancient times are actively operating. And only then Sharia.
          Quote: atalef
          rather, there will be endless courts and zilch at the exit

          Probably. BUT something needs to be invented. It is necessary to fight terrorism with the birth of a person. And not by eavesdropping on social networks and mobile conversations, as the whales do.
          1. atalef
            atalef 26 October 2013 15: 49
            +4
            Quote: Hedgehog
            It is necessary to fight terrorism with the birth of a person. And not by eavesdropping on social networks and mobile conversations, as the whales do.

            Better to kill in the bud. By the way, everyone listens to the network, including the FSB.
    3. igor67
      igor67 26 October 2013 12: 58
      +3
      Quote: atalef
      Quote: fklj
      In Israel, the house of a terrorist is demolished. Maybe the Russian Federation makes sense to follow the example of the Jews?

      What to do with an apartment in a panel nine-story building?

      In general, this is not, maybe the Arabs do not live in much
      All of them also have their own houses, but as an option, you can confiscate the apartment or concrete the entrance and windows (we did it at the same time, because the left did not have to blow up the whole house, but only the room where the terrorist lived. After a year they realized that it wasn’t works and returned to the old practice - the demolition of the house. True, this has not happened for a long time since I don’t even remember when there was a suicide attack or something like that

      Why, in the Jerusalem area, they poured concrete over an apartment, about four five years ago, I found it: The Palestinian terrorist’s house was poured concrete

      arabic.com.ua
      2009-01-19 10:46:12

      The house of Palestinian Al Abu Deyn, who shot and killed eight people in a Jewish religious school in March 2008, was poured by the Israelis with concrete. This was reported on the website of the newspaper Yediot Ahronoth.

      The operation to pour concrete over two floors of a building in East Jerusalem, where the Abu Deyn family lives, was carried out by the Israeli Rear Services Directorate. The terrorist’s father was not able to reverse this decision. According to Newsru.co.il, the house itself will not be demolished, as other families live in it. The Israelis poured concrete only the premises belonging to the relatives of the terrorist.

      Ali Abu Dein opened fire from a machine gun at the Jerusalem religious school (yeshiva) Mirkaz Harav on the evening of March 6, 2008. According to witnesses, he fired for about ten minutes, then he was shot. The destruction of the terrorist's house was reported back in March 2008, but later this information was not confirmed.
      1. igor67
        igor67 26 October 2013 13: 12
        +4
        It can be seen that two floors are filled with concrete, his relatives still live there, their apartments were not touched,
  • Field
    Field 26 October 2013 08: 16
    +4
    and you can immediately all teip am
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 26 October 2013 10: 55
      +2
      Quote: Field
      and you can immediately all teip

      In fact, it will. Relatives should help with fundraising. And then sit and wait for a new terrorist from the clan.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 26 October 2013 13: 20
        +1
        if rich oligarchs and commanders of criminal gangs, or Mr. ala Surkov are not included in the teip list, then not only is it possible, but it is also necessary. But this, son, is fantastic
  • atalef
    atalef 26 October 2013 08: 19
    +6
    Quote: Nagan
    Good but not enough. In Israel, the house of a terrorist is demolished. Maybe the Russian Federation makes sense to follow the example of the Jews? All the same, no one will buy this house, and if he does, then the relatives of the terrorist will not forgive this, with all that it implies. And most likely a piece of paper will be presented that they legally own, so it is better for a bulldozer.

    wonderful law, it is best to destroy the house and prohibit building on this place (like ours), but they cannot recover damage from us, unfortunately, the law does not allow, and only 5 years ago
    our terrorist families (who died or exploded) received pensions for the loss of a breadwinner, now such an absurdity is finally fixed
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 26 October 2013 10: 46
      +2
      Quote: atalef
      damage cannot be claimed from us, unfortunately, the law does not allow, and only 5 years ago
      our terrorist families (who died or exploded) received pensions for the loss of the breadwinner
      fool
      I don’t remember who said it, and literally, but something like either the worst anti-Semites are the Jews themselves, or the Jews themselves are the most dangerous enemy of the Jews. So sometimes, reading about Israel, in particular, what you brought and I quoted, you begin to think that this is true.
      1. In the reeds
        In the reeds 26 October 2013 12: 07
        +7
        Unfortunately, this is true, we say "two Jews have four opinions." Then among themselves the Jews are more different than the Chukchi and the Jews. We have if the left, then almost the deputy of Yasser, the right-Ovadia, the centrist, look for thieves. And the High Court of Justice decided that it had the right to repeal laws. And if, in essence, the question is, they are rebuilding the houses "with the whole collective farm" in another place. It should be banned, at least in the same village. Then the mentality, for an Arab, a house is dearer than children and 3 wives. Kavkvz is different. And the return of damage ... there is a price for human life
        1. In the reeds
          In the reeds 26 October 2013 12: 35
          +3
          I don’t know what will remain of the comment in the end, sorry if something repeats itself in the wrong place. I just wanted to add that 99% of terrorists are not suicide bombers, but simply "bandyugans". It is necessary to return at least the death penalty
      2. atalef
        atalef 26 October 2013 12: 15
        +2
        there is a moment, sometimes you look at our leftists and you understand that you don’t need enemies, give them power for another year and the whole end of the country
      3. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 26 October 2013 13: 31
        0
        The Civil War is the most brutal war. It is interesting whether such a war is possible in Israel. Probably NO, because top-can, and bottom-want.
        1. In the reeds
          In the reeds 26 October 2013 16: 31
          +2
          Not any war then we become a monolith.
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 26 October 2013 11: 17
      +1
      Quote: atalef
      now finally such an absurdity is fixed

      And this, absolutely right decision! Unlike a number of others.
  • Orel
    Orel 26 October 2013 08: 31
    +2
    Good but not enough.


    I agree. It has long been necessary to introduce for all the declaration of not income, but expenses. And limit the maximum cash payments. This will be the fight against corruption then (and from it terrorism feeds and has opportunities). But we won’t go for such a revolution, because almost every official will have to part with a substantial part of his illegally acquired property ...
    1. Field
      Field 26 October 2013 08: 51
      +1
      yourself first and suffer the declaration of expenses laughing
  • artemiy
    artemiy 26 October 2013 09: 03
    0
    Bravo to the Duma!
  • StolzSS
    StolzSS 26 October 2013 11: 22
    +1
    This is not a brake. It is a little comfort for the survivors of the attacks ....
  • the polar
    the polar 27 October 2013 19: 45
    +1
    Quote: a52333
    Good law. Additional brake for the terrorist.

    This law would be much more effective if the term "economic terrorism" was introduced into it. For example, is this not economic terrorism - the closure of city-forming enterprises by some kind of Deripaska and leaving tens of thousands of families without means of subsistence? And what about the bacchanalia of corruption? Isn't this economic terrorism? And the arrested mayor of Makhachkala, who stole more than a hundred billion, isn't he a terrorist? And what about the corrupt ministers? Do they do less harm to the state than suicide bombers. Well, okay, at least they pay with their lives, but what did the already known corrupt officials who have stolen hundreds of billions and trillions pay for today? Is it fair for economic terrorists to leave everything they stole, and to take property from the relatives of petty terrorists? After all, widespread corruption in Dagestan, which lowered the republic into the Middle Ages, is the main factor creating all the conditions for recruiting terrorists among the poor mountaineers. But for some reason, the authorities lack the determination to start the fight against terrorism by exterminating its socio-economic roots - the corruption of the government itself and the criminal oligarchy
  • Edward72
    Edward72 26 October 2013 07: 47
    +1
    Of course it’s pissimistic, but how many laws work in Russia. A couple of the three will be exponentially expelled and will go on as before.
  • APES
    APES 26 October 2013 14: 29
    +2
    It remains only to accept:

    Law on the liability of relatives of corrupt officials.
  • wow
    wow 27 October 2013 09: 15
    0
    The Israelis, if my memory serves me right, demolish the houses of the terrorist bulldozer along with all their property. And they’re doing it right!
  • Blackgrifon
    Blackgrifon 27 October 2013 15: 22
    0
    Quote: rumatam
    so let everyone answer in the same way


    Still not enough. Let their relatives pay in blood, not in rubles.
  • INVESTOR
    INVESTOR 27 October 2013 17: 56
    0
    Who doesn’t know Kadyrov killed the whole suicide family ... helped ..
  • soldat1945
    soldat1945 26 October 2013 07: 26
    +5
    Well, at the end, someone came up with a bright idea, it was necessary to do it in the nineties, greed would not let terorism bloom in such a violent color!
  • fklj
    fklj 26 October 2013 07: 30
    -1
    Well, that’s it, there will be no more terrorist attacks ... Shocking shadow boxing or imitation of activities from the State Duma
  • vlad0
    vlad0 26 October 2013 07: 31
    +5
    And without proof of the legality of its acquisition - in favor of the victims of the attack, and the next of kin - in a special settlement under full control. And then there were many suicide bombers from pure widows, mistresses, sisters of militants.
  • Kolya
    Kolya 26 October 2013 07: 34
    +2
    Clever law! Relatives first of all know what some of them "breathe" with and will nip terrorism in its infancy.
  • Bykov.
    Bykov. 26 October 2013 07: 37
    0
    It's time, damn it! Let relatives, the answer is for the geeks, otherwise they seem to have nothing to do with it.
    Yes, and their kids, now they’ll think a hundred times with their dumb head, before doing anything dirty ...
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 26 October 2013 07: 47
    +4
    And what about the parents of Sokolov. Father Officer Lieutenant Colonel
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 26 October 2013 08: 35
      0
      If such a son was brought up by him no longer as an officer .. Cruel of course .. And yet the fact of resignation .. at least ..!
      1. Cthulhu
        Cthulhu 26 October 2013 09: 33
        10
        I would not be so categorical in my statements. The fact that they will be fired is unambiguous. Bad father, badly raised his son, yes. But that "is no longer an officer" or "bad officer", excuse me. How long do actors see their children a day? In the morning for service, the child is still asleep. In the evening from the service, the child is already asleep. God forbid one day off a week. And what about business trips to the TFR? What is already there ..... education. 3 months there, 3 here, of which 10 days for rehabilitation, and again for service according to the old scheme. The fact that the law was adopted is excellent, it has matured and has become necessary in our society. And they must answer according to the law. But to hang labels and throw poop, I would be careful.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 26 October 2013 10: 50
          +3
          Quote: Cthulhu
          How long do active people see their children per day?

          But on the same site, some shouted that the commander should almost sleep with his soldiers in order to exclude "hazing" - Babovism. They do not know that the officer has a family and children.
        2. SPLV
          SPLV 26 October 2013 17: 17
          +1
          If you have an intention to have a baby, then first you have a woman. If you cannot educate, then she and the other half are mother and wife.
          Everyone chooses for themselves.
          Woman, religion, road,
          Serve the devil or the prophet
          Everyone chooses for themselves.
          No need to hide from responsibility. Neither before the elders, nor before the boss, nor before himself, first of all. It's time to forget how to make excuses to someone. If I raised an antisocial miracle, then I will bear responsibility for it!
      2. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 26 October 2013 10: 53
        +2
        Quote: MIKHAN
        . And yet the fact of resignation .. at least ..

        And what kind of shisha do you expect to pay off the damage? Let him be a bad father, but as an officer he can be a good one. Let it work and pay the damage. Does he know that he is Sokolov?
        1. atalef
          atalef 26 October 2013 13: 59
          +6
          Quote: Hedgehog
          , He may be a bad father, but as an officer he may be a good one.

          In general - by law, and by reason, parents are responsible for children until they reach adulthood. Then, what is it that you poison the father? And so grief for life, the son must be sought in prison until the end of life
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 26 October 2013 14: 35
            0
            Quote: atalef
            parents are responsible for the children

            And I, and I, and I have the same opinion! (c) Winnie the Pooh laughing
    2. Corporal
      Corporal 26 October 2013 11: 36
      0
      If by then such a law already existed, maybe there would have been nothing?
  • George
    George 26 October 2013 07: 49
    +3
    The property will be confiscated in favor of the state if the relatives of the terrorist cannot prove the legality of its acquisition, according to an explanatory note to the law published on the website of the State Duma.

    And if they can? I have no doubt that they can.
    Have Israeli colleagues talk about practice.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 October 2013 08: 26
      +8
      Quote: GEORGE
      The property will be confiscated in favor of the state if the relatives of the terrorist cannot prove the legality of its acquisition, according to an explanatory note to the law published on the website of the State Duma.

      And if they can? I have no doubt that they can.
      Have Israeli colleagues talk about practice.

      our property is not confiscated, you get bogged down in the courts proving this towel belonged to the terrorist or not and was bought legally or not. Demolishing a house is easier, faster and much more sensitive, and it’s easier to prove, because everyone knows where he lived
      1. George
        George 26 October 2013 12: 27
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        our property is not confiscated, you get dirty in the courts proving this towel belonged to the terrorist or not and was bought legally or not

        Which was required to prove. Our squinting (or having the head-shouldered powers that be) offer an obviously failed option.
        No, well, of course then they will accept a bunch of corrections and corrections designed to fix the oversight and the lack of thought, and the results are zero.
        Running on the spot.
        1. atalef
          atalef 27 October 2013 12: 44
          +1
          Quote: GEORGE
          Quote: atalef
          our property is not confiscated, you get dirty in the courts proving this towel belonged to the terrorist or not and was bought legally or not

          Which was required to prove. Our squinting (or having the head-shouldered powers that be) offer an obviously failed option.
          No, well, of course then they will accept a bunch of corrections and corrections designed to fix the oversight and the lack of thought, and the results are zero.
          Running on the spot.

          Found some link to this lock. Sorry, but it’s hard to find more nonsense, how are they going to prove?

          The State Duma at a meeting on Friday approved a bill in the second and third readings, according to which the damage caused by terrorist attacks will be collected from the relatives of terrorists.

          The document says that compensation for damage from terrorist attacks is imposed not only on the militant's relatives, but also on "other persons whose life, health and well-being are dear to him due to the established personal relations." Money and property, according to the bill, will be collected in favor of the state by a court decision.

          Who is dear to him or not (we are talking about other people not even relatives)
          It's like - the militant must leave a will - like, these people are dear to me - this is in case of death. And if he remains alive? So they will believe his words? So he will say that in general all relatives are the most hated people for him, and dear, well, let's say Medvedev or Putin, what should I do?
          Toothless, not enforceable law, it is clear to anyone, you do not even need to be a lawyer.
          1. George
            George 27 October 2013 12: 54
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Toothless, not enforceable law, it is clear to anyone, you do not even need to be a lawyer.

            According to the document, money and property will be recovered in favor of the state by a court decision. This will happen if the relatives of the terrorist cannot prove the legality of receiving money or property. At the same time, the bill does not explain in which particular cases the compensation of compensation will be assigned to the relatives of the offender.

            The amendments also criminalize individuals who are trained in terrorism or are members of terrorist organizations. At the same time, citizens who themselves left such organizations and did not commit other crimes would not be held accountable.

            I have no words wassat
  • major071
    major071 26 October 2013 07: 50
    +8
    It was high time to accept. Let them think about whom they raised. The most important thing is that after the adoption of this law, it would work normally. And bring this law to EVERYONE!
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 26 October 2013 08: 09
    +8
    What other evidence? Provide housing at the minimum social standards, and everything on top is confiscated and under the hammer. There, in Chechnya and Dagestan, palaces are set up, but everyone is unhappy with something.
  • buzuke
    buzuke 26 October 2013 08: 17
    +2
    the law, of course, is popular, but law enforcement is lame in our country. but in my opinion he wears a more preventive color than punitive. both villains and relatives will now think hard how to live on before doing something
  • bronik
    bronik 26 October 2013 08: 32
    +3
    Not all and not always unequivocally. It is possible that father and son split up, at first in their views, and then in their worldview (precedents are known in the Civil War), as a result, both are in different trenches. It’s not to put your experience and knowledge into someone else’s (albeit native) head .A very fine line will need to be considered when punishing relatives.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 26 October 2013 19: 28
      +1
      Quote: bronik
      Not all and not always unequivocally. It is possible that father and son split up, at first in their views, and then in their worldview (precedents are known in the Civil War), as a result, both are in different trenches. It’s not to put your experience and knowledge into someone else’s (albeit native) head .A very fine line will need to be considered when punishing relatives.

      http://hardingush.livejournal.com/77108.html
      I don’t know if it’s true or not, but if it’s true, then these fighters who will suffer from their relatives and which house will be razed to the ground. So I, in the place of the local commentators, would not rush to conclusions that relatives should suffer for the affairs of their children.
  • Dovmont
    Dovmont 26 October 2013 08: 43
    +2
    The law is stillborn! With the corruption and the arbitrariness of the authorities that reign in the North Caucasus now, this will begin !! Residents of the apartments they liked will be counted as enlisted as terrorists and cleaned up under the new owners, already real terrorists.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 October 2013 14: 02
      +3
      Quote: Dovmont
      The law is stillborn! With the corruption and the arbitrariness of the authorities that reign in the North Caucasus now, this will begin !! Residents of the apartments they liked will be counted as enlisted as terrorists and cleaned up under the new owners, already real terrorists.

      Definitely, such an interesting redistribution can begin, in the Caucasus, each distant relative has appeared in bandigans, it is necessary to clearly define the circle of relatives, although honestly, my opinion is that this is bullshit and is not legally enforceable. Relatives will sue Russia in the European Court, therefore, in general, there is no alternative to the demolition of a house, but if there is no house, and did not live at home? Then lodge, there is nothing to destroy.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 October 2013 08: 46
    +3
    The law is normal (cruel of course), but there is one nuance! Relatives of a shahid (pah word ...) have honor and respect and are financed almost for life (depending on the number of infidels killed .. their offspring) Everything is described in the Quran .. The Tsranaevs are heroes in all their forums!
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 October 2013 14: 04
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      ! Relatives of a shahid (pah word ...) have honor and respect and are financed almost for life (depending on the number of infidels killed .. their offspring) Everything is described in the Quran .. The Tsranaevs are heroes in all their forums!

      But there’s no problem with this and it’s not possible to solve it, money is sacrificed to them, they are considered heroes (in their midst) It’s not possible to deal with this and you have to put up with it
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 26 October 2013 09: 05
    +2
    Yes, it’s high time, plus it was necessary if he knew that he was a terrorist and didn’t report to any mufti if he had no idea what to do, then he would be sentenced for aiding. A bunch of organized crime groups and a bunch of drug addicts will come up with terrorists))). Let their diasporas do it in a dense way, but be full of levers to reduce this atrocity, let them blow themselves up in a deserted side somewhere in the name of Allah and go to heaven.
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 26 October 2013 09: 05
    +6
    Stupidity is utter, modern youth, especially those without brains who go to terrorists, they do not care about everything and everyone. I already wrote that terror is not the destiny of individuals; it is a well-organized machine, and it is controlled far beyond the borders of Russia. So it is necessary to fight not with the parents of the terrorists, not with their brothers and sisters and generally with relatives. It is necessary to fight with the organizers. But our politicians prefer to beat those who are weaker and closer than those who are stronger and far. In short, according to the principle: Beat your own so that others would be afraid.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 26 October 2013 09: 43
      +2
      Organizers and sponsors are calculated and work by our special services .. Remember in the old days of the gang .. Basmachi Bandera Semenovtsy Makhnovtsy ... etc. While the population supports them (just running around and sacrificing ..), Kadyrov has been using such methods for a long time and is pretty effective .. (unlike Dagestan ..) well, I won’t write about Stalin (the Caucasian) .. everyone knows And that Ermolov is in general, I immediately understood who I was dealing with .. Maybe I wrote cruelly but I don’t see other methods .. Facts history and current moment ..
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 26 October 2013 10: 05
        +8
        You somehow don’t want to understand that until our authorities fight only with our citizens, there will be no sense. First of all, it’s necessary to beat those who are sitting in Qatar and Saudi Arabia mercilessly. There will be no money for terror, it will be easier to deal with loners at home. Is that so hard to understand?
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 26 October 2013 10: 11
          +1
          The Russian Empire fought in the Caucasus while the British sponsored the Circassians and did not help the repression. How they stopped and the war ended
        2. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 26 October 2013 10: 15
          0
          They started to come to an agreement with Iran .. (and the Saudis and Kattars will answer for our Caucasus .. a lot of blood on them ..) Not all at once .. and not so fast and here it is (there are a lot of Saudi Qattars in Russia, but this is the main problem! )
        3. atalef
          atalef 26 October 2013 14: 11
          +1
          Quote: vladsolo56
          First of all, it’s necessary to beat those who are sitting in Qatar and Saudi Arabia mercilessly. There will be no money for terror, it will be easier to deal with loners at home. Is that so hard to understand?

          It sounds beautiful, but not real, in these countries there are so many billionaires that it’s not realistic to keep track of who and where to get the money, especially with modern means of communication, bank and other transfers. Without the desire of the same audit to block cash flows, you can’t do it at all, but they can’t do it. The same bin Laden is one of the richest families, with construction companies and billions in turnover, to cram a couple of millions - like 2 fingers about aswalt
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 26 October 2013 17: 37
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            It sounds beautiful, but not real, in these countries there are so many billionaires that it’s not realistic to keep track of who and where to get the money, especially with modern means of communication, bank and other transfers. Without the desire of the same audit to block cash flows, you can’t do it at all, but they can’t do it. The same bin Laden is one of the richest families, with construction companies and billions in turnover, to cram a couple of millions - like 2 fingers about aswalt

            Of course, it is stupid for me or someone else to compete with millionaires, billionaires. Only now the state has much more opportunities and means of influence. I am sure, if desired, the special services can liquidate anyone in the world, even if he will be a multibillionaire at least ten times. Of course, the authorities simply don’t want to quarrel with billionaires over several Russian citizens who died in the terrorist attack, and even if several hundred die, you’ll think disaster, terror does not touch the authorities, and those in power.
    2. atalef
      atalef 26 October 2013 14: 08
      +5
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Stupidity is utter, modern youth, especially those without brains who go to terrorists, they do not care about everything and everyone. I already wrote that terror is not the destiny of individuals; it is a well-organized machine,

      Israeli experience shows that if a terrorist is more or less like a fig, then there is no relatives and knowing that the house will be demolished 100% they knock believe me as it should. Our 40 years of struggle with this phenomenon speaks unequivocally, this is one of the most powerful levers of influence both on the terrorist himself and on his relatives. There were many cases when the father himself brought his son and handed over, for fear of losing the house
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 26 October 2013 14: 22
        +2
        Quote: vladsolo56
        You somehow don’t want to understand that until our authorities fight only with our citizens, there will be no sense. First of all, it’s necessary to beat those who are sitting in Qatar and Saudi Arabia mercilessly. There will be no money for terror, it will be easier to deal with loners at home. Is that so hard to understand?
        The Gulf countries have agreements with the United States on cooperation and mutual defense (well, as in Belarus). Therefore, any hostile act will be regarded as an attack on the territory of the United States. And this is an apocalypse. soldier
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 26 October 2013 14: 43
          +1
          And then only the elusive smell of nuclear buckshot
        2. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 26 October 2013 17: 38
          +1
          You decided that Russia should respond with military methods, there are special services for this, and there are many methods
        3. Setrac
          Setrac 27 October 2013 22: 03
          0
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          The Gulf countries have agreements with the United States on cooperation and mutual defense (well, as in Belarus). Therefore, any hostile act will be regarded as an attack on the territory of the United States. And this is an apocalypse.

          This is complete crap, this is your apocalypse - only when attacked by a nuclear power, Americans can regard it as they want, but Russia will receive a nuclear response from the United States only when attacking the United States.
      2. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 26 October 2013 17: 31
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Israeli experience shows that if a terrorist is more or less like a fig, then there is no relatives and knowing that the house will be demolished 100% they knock believe me as it should. Our 40 years of struggle with this phenomenon speaks unequivocally, this is one of the most powerful levers of influence both on the terrorist himself and on his relatives. There were many cases when the father himself brought his son and handed over, for fear of losing the house

        So where is the result? Is terrorism rooted out in Israel?
        1. atalef
          atalef 26 October 2013 20: 08
          +2
          Quote: vladsolo56
          So where is the result? Is terrorism rooted out in Israel?

          in general in the fight against terror it is impossible to operate on concepts --- uprooted.
          It is not uprooted, but it is within controlled borders and believe me we are much calmer than in Russia, I don’t remember the last explosion when I was, I don’t say that it can’t be repeated, but the methods that are used by SHABAK, police and laws accepted --- bear fruit unequivocally. Situations of 2000, when the explosions were 2-3 times a week - will not happen again, I am sure of that.
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 27 October 2013 06: 03
            0
            you yourself confirm that I am right, we need not only the punishment of the direct executors, but also a set of measures along the entire chain of terrorism.
      3. igor67
        igor67 26 October 2013 20: 41
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: vladsolo56
        Stupidity is utter, modern youth, especially those without brains who go to terrorists, they do not care about everything and everyone. I already wrote that terror is not the destiny of individuals; it is a well-organized machine,

        Israeli experience shows that if a terrorist is more or less like a fig, then there is no relatives and knowing that the house will be demolished 100% they knock believe me as it should. Our 40 years of struggle with this phenomenon speaks unequivocally, this is one of the most powerful levers of influence both on the terrorist himself and on his relatives. There were many cases when the father himself brought his son and handed over, for fear of losing the house

        The most real case is that the father brought his daughter to the police when a terrorist blew up a bus with people near Safed near us, he warned two Arab women on the bus in advance, they got out, and then he blew up the bus, that is, the girls knew about the explosion in advance and did not warn, and this is aiding, so Dad brought them to the police, they were not put in prison, but they were expelled from school, and something else
    3. In the reeds
      In the reeds 26 October 2013 21: 14
      +1
      Yes, Volodya, you need to dry the swamps, and not chase after every single mosquito ...
  • k.diversant
    k.diversant 26 October 2013 09: 15
    +2
    It would be necessary to pass a law on extending criminal liability to terrorist relatives. It’s not democratic of course, but I think if they knew that they would die, and mom, dad brother would sit for him, maybe at least some kind of twist would stir in a dumb head. And if if our special services were also engaged in shooting behind the hill of terrorists and their families, quietness and grace would be established in Russia, no one would even have a rash, knowing that they would cut out the whole family
  • individual
    individual 26 October 2013 09: 21
    +1
    As always, we lag behind in the adoption of counter-terrorism laws.
    This position should have been adopted "yesterday."
    Then many killers would understand that with their terror they kill the well-being of their family, of a kind.
  • scientist
    scientist 26 October 2013 09: 22
    +1
    The law is very necessary, although it reminds of Stalin's time, but, as history shows, such harsh measures led to the result.
    And you also need to apply the same liability to recover damage from the relatives of corrupt officials. Officials holding public office for personal gain enrich the country no less than terrorists. Therefore, corruption and terrorism must be equated in severity. In China, for example, they shoot for both crimes.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 26 October 2013 09: 36
    +1
    I believe that the legitimacy of the property of the relatives of the terrorist does not matter. Everything that has value except one cheap set of winter clothes — panties, a T-shirt, sweatshirt — should be seized. Give the development of the northern islands.
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 26 October 2013 09: 36
    +1
    Quote: vladsolo56
    it is not necessary to fight with the parents of the terrorists, not with their brothers and sisters and generally with relatives. It is necessary to fight with the organizers.
    Controversial statement. You have to fight where you can. And by the means at hand. Another question is that, depending on the place of application of efforts, the effectiveness will be different.

    Can you fight seasonal climate change? But this is not a reason to abandon warm clothing, umbrellas and central heating. lol Nobody has managed to eliminate the economic and social causes of crime anywhere. But this is not a reason to disperse the forces of law and order.

    Quote: vladsolo56
    modern youth, especially those without brains who go to terrorists, they do not care about everything and everyone.
    And their parents do not care about them, because not only do they not answer, they also have every chance of receiving help from the state in the loss of the breadwinner. Or is it enough to give birth, dress, and feed to consider your parental duty fulfilled?
    1. bask
      bask 26 October 2013 09: 41
      +2
      Quote: Misantrop
      The law on recovery of damage from relatives of terrorists

      Now it is necessary that this law is strictly enforced.
      And also introduce a ban on the work of relatives of terrorists in GOS ... STRUCTURES, MIA.
      1. atalef
        atalef 26 October 2013 14: 12
        +2
        Quote: bask
        And also to introduce a ban on the work of relatives of terrorists in the State Civil Service ... STRUCTURES, Ministry of Internal Affairs.

        Then nobody will work in Chechnya and Dagestan. The first should be fired Kadyrov.
    2. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 26 October 2013 10: 06
      0
      how is everything simple, do you have children? precisely the age of transition
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 26 October 2013 15: 16
        +2
        Quote: vladsolo56
        do you have kids? precisely the age of transition
        My child did not have a transitional age. For the simple reason that from the moment when he realized himself as a PERSONALITY and managed to formulate his thoughts and desires, he had EQUAL RIGHT in family discussions. We have NO AND WAS NEVER DICTATED SENIOR... Perhaps that is why we have kept an open, trusting relationship in the family, WITHOUT closed topics. I understand, this is not easy, BUT ... otherwise you will remain a stranger for your own children, "an old man out of his mind, who does not understand modern realities" (c). And you will simply be "scrapped" by starting to build YOUR life in new conditions ... request
  • Cthulhu
    Cthulhu 26 October 2013 09: 37
    +2
    Quote: scientist

    And you also need to apply the same liability to recover damage from the relatives of corrupt officials. Officials holding public office for personal gain enrich the country no less than terrorists.


    Single +
  • Shaman 21101973
    Shaman 21101973 26 October 2013 09: 50
    0
    Of course, I am completely "for" the adoption of this law. Especially if this has a positive effect.
    But on the other hand .. I remember- "the son is not responsible for his father." Why then not adopt this law in relation to criminals who have committed other grave and less grave crimes against citizens and the country. Especially - murders, sale and distribution of drugs, bribes on an especially large scale, non-targeted use of state funds, treason ... After all, they were raised by someone ...
    The State Duma deputies in the second and third readings adopted a law according to which the state receives the right to recover the damage caused as a result of the terrorist act from the relatives of the terrorist.

    Property will be confiscated in favor of the state if the terrorist’s relatives are unable to prove the legality of its acquisition, according to an explanatory note to the law published on the website of the State Duma

    And here I do not understand what it means "property will be confiscated if the relatives cannot prove the legality of its acquisition"? I wonder what kind of property will be discussed? Which of the relatives will answer? (Grandmother, Grandfather, Mom, Dad, Wife, Mu
    1. bunta
      bunta 26 October 2013 10: 25
      0
      Quote: Shaman 21101973
      Property will be confiscated in favor of the state if the relatives of the terrorist can not prove the legality of its acquisition


      Great, so if I have illegally acquired property and my son is not a terrorist, can I sleep peacefully?
      1. family tree
        family tree 26 October 2013 10: 46
        +3
        Quote: bunta
        Great, so if I have illegally acquired property and my son is not a terrorist, can I sleep peacefully?

        Well, the mass of deputies and officials do just that, in the sense they get and sleep peacefully. What they, other, to dig for themselves. While the son is not a terrorist, they have no right to check wassat
      2. Shaman 21101973
        Shaman 21101973 26 October 2013 10: 54
        +3
        As I understand it, "not legally acquired property" is own which was previously stolen either from a citizen, or from an organization, or from the state. (murder with the aim of taking possession of another's property, theft, robbery, fraud, bribe ..). And this still needs to be proved.
        For example: A TV that you purchased 5 years ago and lost the check - you can prove that it was acquired legally, and was not purchased from a "huckster" who sells stolen things. And this is already called buying stolen goods ...
        I think that all our officials and oligarchs sleep peacefully. I know for sure that their children are not terrorists. But is it all they have acquired legally.?
  • Letnab
    Letnab 26 October 2013 10: 03
    +2
    incomprehensible law! how to understand the phrase: if they can prove ...
    It seems like here on the site they discussed the topic of Israel’s experience in the destruction of terrorist houses, and what it leads to .. I think we won’t wait for such a law ..
  • Shaman 21101973
    Shaman 21101973 26 October 2013 10: 10
    +1
    Explode and kill - "pawns" - "meat". These are processed "fanatics" who don't give a damn about themselves or anyone else.
    It is necessary to "work" with the diasporas and with the organizers of the terrorist movement. It is with regard to them that the methods of struggle and legislation should be toughened.
    1. family tree
      family tree 26 October 2013 10: 39
      +3
      Quote: Shaman 21101973
      It is necessary to "work" with the diasporas and with the organizers of the terrorist movement. It is with regard to them that the methods of struggle and legislation should be toughened.

      So let the diaspora respond, to the organizers, if the FSB only gets it. Tired of answering, either the diaspora itself will begin to engage in prevention, or it will split and scatter, which is also not bad. And what for acquired legitimacy to prove? I have neither gay men nor Sberbank, for not wearing a seat belt, the legality of the origin of money to pay a fine is not a fig request
  • bunta
    bunta 26 October 2013 11: 04
    +4
    Is a terrorist killing children will think about the property of their parents ?! Rather, on the contrary, if property is confiscated, relatives will not be in poverty for a long time. Organization will help.

    This brainless power destroyed professionalism in everything - in production, in science, in defense, in law enforcement, in medicine, in education. Not the ability to really protect their citizens, they are trying to close with such laws.

    There is a law under which teenagers under the age of 16 are forbidden to appear on the street after 22-00. But in fact, according to the text of the law, a teenager with a slop bucket on the landing already becomes an intruder. That is, it is deprived of elementary constitutional rights to freedom of movement.
    The victim of this law was my son, who by the time he was detained in 22 hours, 10 minutes until his majority was one week. He from the cinema accompanied the girl home and did not have time. Two employees packed to the teeth brought him home - with weapons, walkie-talkies, handcuffs and other personal belongings. The guy was shaking like an aspen leaf. They handed it to us on the invoice - they say we have no complaints about the appearance. The cops earned their wands and bonus. And in all the schools of the city, at all parental meetings, this incident began to be brought forward and is still remembered! I personally heard at four meetings. wink A year later, when they received certificates of education, my son came out first. This was the best student in school! For half a year, the commission on juvenile affairs tried to challenge me to the carpet. Pressed class teacher, school principal. And what's the point, they could not even fine me, because there is no such article in the administrative code.
    Here is a thank you to parents for the best student in school. For what? What is the practical sense? The fact that the teenager was detained and taken home by two packaged employees of material goods in the world was not added. At this time, someone was really waiting for help from employees, someone was robbed, someone was killed, but these two ambals complied with the requirements of the law and job descriptions. What claims to them? Besides moral?

    So it will be with this law. One crackle. Terrorism will not decrease. On the contrary, the paint will cover the rust, make it visible, but sooner or later this system will rust so much that the structure will collapse. These are objective laws; paperwork against them is powerless.
    1. 31231
      31231 26 October 2013 11: 35
      -1
      The victim of this law was my son, who by the time he was detained in 22 hours, 10 minutes until his majority was one week. He from the cinema accompanied the girl home and did not have time. Two employees packed to the teeth brought him home - with weapons, walkie-talkies, handcuffs and other personal belongings. The guy was shaking like an aspen leaf. They handed it to us on the invoice - they say we have no complaints about the appearance. The cops earned their wands and bonus. And in all the schools of the city, at all parental meetings, this incident began to be brought forward and is still remembered! I personally heard at four meetings.


      Oh wei! We have a police state. "Do not go children to Africa for a walk .....".
      You will not be so kind as to throw a link to this law. It’s interesting to look.
      1. bunta
        bunta 26 October 2013 13: 34
        0
        Quote: 31231
        Will not be so kind

        I will not, I did not give you a reason to speak with me in that tone.
        Moreover, a person who does not know Google is not interesting to me.
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 26 October 2013 12: 03
      +2
      Quote: bunta
      at the time of his detention at 22 hours 10 minutes before the age of one year remained.

      And a number of questions immediately begs.
      1. Has the law been violated?
      2. Who is the intruder?
      3. What are the claims against the police who performed their duty?
      4. Or do you want your boy to be shot for a toy machine, as was done in the striped country?
      http://www.youtvnews.com/read?10201
      http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/685382
      1. bunta
        bunta 26 October 2013 13: 47
        +3
        None, with the exception of the fact that I had been on duty in the Komsomol opera detachment for 16 years. We detained hooligans and killers. They were not afraid with ten men to resist the groupings of more than a hundred people.
        When the cops were not put up with sticks and were not paid for detention, they simply drove those who got home, not so much out of pity, but at least because something did not happen to this drunk on their site.
        And I have one claim - to those assholes who adopted this law:

        Public places where children under 16 are not allowed to stay after 22.00

        Article 7 of the Law:
        “... 1) places of mass stay and recreation of citizens (streets, squares, squares, parks, stadiums, courtyards, playgrounds, sports grounds, beaches);
        2) common areas of apartment buildings (elevators, porches, landings, others) and adjoining territories;
        3) public and regional public transport, territory and premises of train stations, railway and bus stations, river ports, airports;
        4) forest park areas;
        5) cemeteries;
        6) territory and premises of pharmacies, commercial facilities intended for the sale of services in the field of trade and public catering, entertainment, leisure, Internet access. ”

        Your 4-th paragraph is completely stupid and inappropriate.
    3. Alexandr0id
      Alexandr0id 26 October 2013 14: 18
      +1
      a curfew for teenagers, bans on the sale of alcohol from to to, a ban on gambling and other "good deeds" should turn our people into columns of smiling robots marching together under banners "long live ..." and "glory ..." apparently this is how our teetotal president sees it all.
      as the song says "it would be better to drink and smoke."
    4. scientist
      scientist 26 October 2013 23: 26
      +2
      Apparently you live in a very good region of Russia. I will gladly move to live where such decent policemen. It is amazing that such petty actions have been discussed for years at parent meetings. Even according to your words, they didn’t beat your son, didn’t plant drugs on him, or mutilated him in a pre-trial detention center.
      And I, for example, barely pulled my child out of the other world, since the money was stopping the lawlessness, thanks to my friends for helping. But still, I had to give up almost all the accumulations, and I still put a candle in the church with trembling hands because God helped to get my son out.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 October 2013 11: 09
    +1
    Taras Bulba's law must be! "I gave birth to myself and I will kill .." I wrote ... (and I have two sons growing up) If they grow up with scum .. (I will wet my head ... but I don’t know in my heart ..)
  • 31231
    31231 26 October 2013 11: 28
    +3
    Ambiguous law. Practice will show. Cancel is not long.
    1. Chukcha
      Chukcha 26 October 2013 13: 06
      +1
      I agree. There may be many stocks.
  • vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 26 October 2013 11: 51
    +2
    My friend deprived his daughter of parental rights and took her grandson from her. This is what, if something is not always necessary, it is worn with your children as the best in the world no matter what. I have a son and a daughter, but if they dishonor me with their deeds they will not say hello to them, I already told them that.
  • Irokez
    Irokez 26 October 2013 12: 01
    +1
    It is better to have some legal leverage against terrorism than to have nothing. There are no such laws that are uniquely ideal for all occasions and here, too, everything will be ambiguous. As the saying goes, of "two evils choose the lesser." That is, according to the law, families of terrorists will mainly suffer, and the family is not without freaks and sometimes it is difficult to find out which cockroaches your son or daughter has, for example, and therefore innocent people who do not see them as murderers will naturally also suffer. But such is life and it was and most likely it will be in the whole world. Fate, karma and the like.
    But even so, if there is a law, then someone will ponder over their actions and potentially, but rather practically reduce terror even for purely psychological and economic reasons.
    It is not for nothing that there were public executions before - so that others would be discouraged, but if there is not even a legal lever, then it is common for everyone, for there is no punishment for the educators who may have been organizers or instigators. Already in the Caucasus and in the East, family foundations and discipline are stronger than European ones, and if the elder said "Nebalui", then this is the law for the younger, and if he is blunt, then the elder is engaged in pampering and must share the punishment. It is clear that there will be distortions and excesses, but there will be much less of them than hitting the bull's-eye.
    In the future, the law can be corrected and polished so that there are fewer innocent victims of such a law. But it is needed because terrorism raises its head all over the world and this must be resisted.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 26 October 2013 12: 36
    +2
    "if the terrorist's relatives cannot prove the legality of its acquisition"
    What does that even mean? That is, the relatives of the killer, before he blew up people, widely used stolen property. Stolen, robbed, alien shorter. And it happened! One of the vile gangsters distracted from theft and robbery and got to terrorism. Then the state punishes his relatives, and presurovo! Now NOW they can no longer live in apartments taken from the old and old. It will not be possible to drive a car that they stole from Chashchina. They will take away from them factories, newspapers and steamboats, which they squeezed from the owners ...
    Just yesterday, they could! Do you understand? After all these years, during which relatives of terrorists stole and robbed, they were allowed by the state to use the loot !! Lord God, we are writing here about the mental degradation of the West. Yes, our Moscow is at the forefront of degradation, at the very edge, this is the level of reason, expressed by a negative value ...
    1. bunta
      bunta 26 October 2013 22: 09
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      You all said wonderful, but did not say the main thing. Who is the initiator of the law and why it was so quickly adopted. The initiator of this moronic law is a citizen of the Russian Federation, Putin V.V., acting president of the Russian Federation.
  • Altona
    Altona 26 October 2013 12: 41
    +4
    It is necessary to have the same law for corrupt officials ... But the relatives of terrorists should be defeated in their rights, deprived of pensions, for example ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 October 2013 13: 21
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      It is necessary to have the same law for corrupt officials ... But the relatives of terrorists should be stripped of their rights, deprived of pensions, for example

      Here, people convicted of terrorism are deprived of the right to benefits from the institute of national insurance. (this includes old-age benefits - such as pensions, (they cannot deprive of a funded pension), unemployment benefits, (I don’t know if they can deprive of invalidity? I think not, the court will not allow)
      And of course, the bulk of the terrorists are residents of the Palestinian autonomy; after the liberation, the most dangerous people are sent to live in Gaza (if they lived on the West Bank or vice versa if they lived in Gaza) for an Arab to be torn off his hamula (teip) worse than death.
      And of course, if there is Israeli citizenship, they can be deprived and sent to live in Palestine.
  • AndreyAB
    AndreyAB 26 October 2013 14: 01
    +1
    And it is necessary to recover lives to the seventh generation, as the Bible says.
  • Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 26 October 2013 14: 12
    +1
    mutual responsibility is not a new thing. in fact, it is a gesture of despair and recognition of their defeat. our special services have nothing to oppose to terrorists (because they are just useless and short-sighted faces), so we will take revenge on their relatives, sort of like wrecking malice. and nothing but reciprocal malice, and now we shall not reap from all relatives.
    rejection of the institution of private property out of "good intentions" is another step towards the prison from which we emerged in 1991.
    many cite the example of Israel, a doomed state with a caged people. I was in Israel as a tourist, traveled to the sights - holy places and the Dead Sea, in general, from the airport to the airport, a feeling of some kind of tension and harassment of Jews, I flew on an excursion from Antalya, after cheerful and relaxed Turks, frightened Jews caused pity. I am not anti-Semite, I have a positive attitude towards Jews, a very worthy nation with a very unlucky fate. I would not want Russia to become a country where you constantly think that maybe this is your last day of your life.
  • Irokez
    Irokez 26 October 2013 14: 34
    +2
    Quote: Alexandr0id
    rejection of the institution of private property out of "good intentions" is another step towards the prison from which we emerged in 1991.

    Do you think that in the USSR we lived both in prison and in hell? But right now it turns out we have complete freedom and paradise?
    Daddy depending on what to compare. And in the days of the USSR, it was like not to go too far more calmly, although in recent times the deficit has been in many areas, but people have been freer in spirit and with less problems as they are today. Now people could afford more in the material, but still there is no happiness, and in addition they have descended into the spiritual. By the way, happiness is a loose concept, and for the rich and poor, happiness is different.
    Private property is one of the economic levers of pressure on the individual. There is this property, and you are attached to it and you are ready to gulp it down, and if not, then you will not hold on to this world and are more independent and relaxed because you do not have fetters of attachment to property (material) and live more calmly.
    Any family (potentially a terrorist) should understand this and will do everything possible to preserve their family property and work positively with members of their family.
    Of course, behind this law, it is also necessary to adopt a law on confiscation of property for as long as the thief or bandit committed a crime in relation to others and plus 50% so that it would be disgraceful.
    Wait and see we must start with something else.
    1. Alexandr0id
      Alexandr0id 26 October 2013 15: 29
      +1
      what we have now is very difficult to call paradise, moreover, those freedoms that the Gorbachev and Yeltsin era gave us (just do not need to turn purple and clench fists nervously at the mention of these names) are gradually being squeezed and canceled by the current Chekist leadership of the country.
      however, even now we have incomparably more than in the USSR. I can now jump into the car and in 3 hours be in Finland or Norway. I can pack my bag and fly to any city in Russia and on Monday buy an apartment there and get a job there or not get a job. I can buy a car right now, without waiting in line, maybe not quite in that configuration as I would like, but from what is in the car dealership. I can freely listen to that music and watch those films that I want. I attended concerts by jethro tall and ozzy, peppers and air maiden, could this be in the ussr?
      I risked all my savings and muddied up a small business, I could get burned out, but not burned out, and now I have a couple of commercial premises, and in principle I can more or less live on one rental without doing anything. here is my pension, I don’t need anything from the state, if only it would not go into my affairs and my life. could it be in the ussr?
      let's not measure the socio-political system with happiness, happiness is different for everyone - for someone a bottle of vodka, and for someone a bunch of kids.
      Quote: Irokez
      Wait and see we must start with something else.

      Yes, they started a long time ago, and all this will not lead to good. "good intentions" as you know ...
  • Rumata
    Rumata 26 October 2013 15: 30
    +2
    The idea is good, the implementation is so-so. I am sure that any lawyer will name dozens of reasons why this will not work or the courts will last for years. And if the child left home 15 years ago and became a terrorist, and his parents could not even find him. Or, let’s say, somewhere in the Caucasus, a father drove his son out of the house because he went to the militants and, for example, reported this to the police, should he be judged?
    I think everyone here can name examples when good parents who were engaged in raising children, controlled them, eventually grew moral ...
    1. taksist
      taksist 26 October 2013 17: 06
      0
      No need to go to extremes - "if only, but if only" ...
      In "standard" situations, everything is simpler and clearer.
  • kaktus
    kaktus 26 October 2013 16: 25
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    and if you talk convincingly, anyone can confess to preparing a terrorist attack ...
    and black realtors and lawful apartments are taken away from respectable owners ...

    Quote: Chukcha
    There may be many stocks.
  • taksist
    taksist 26 October 2013 17: 02
    +2
    And why are only terrorists included in the law, where are scammers, embezzlers and ...?
    hi
    1. family tree
      family tree 26 October 2013 17: 24
      +3
      Quote: taksist
      And why are only terrorists included in the law, where are scammers, embezzlers and ...?
      hi

      Now, if terrorists adopted the law, they would not have entered themselves, but since others accept it, then ... request inscribed terrorists yes
    2. alone
      alone 26 October 2013 18: 06
      +3
      laughing Do you want embezzlers and scammers (this applies to all countries) to pass laws against themselves?
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  • In the reeds
    In the reeds 26 October 2013 22: 43
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    Rome the Great was destroyed by barbarians
    Quote: lonely
    laughing Do you want embezzlers and scammers (this applies to all countries) to pass laws against themselves?

    Yes, they must understand that this threatens both them and their children.
  • In the reeds
    In the reeds 27 October 2013 02: 18
    +1
    many cite the example of Israel, a doomed state with a caged people. I was in Israel as a tourist, traveled to places of interest - holy places and the Dead Sea, in general, from the airport to the airport, a feeling of some kind of tension and harassment of Jews, I flew on an excursion from Antalya, after cheerful and relaxed Turks, frightened Jews caused pity. I am not anti-Semite, I have a positive attitude towards Jews, a very worthy nation with a very unlucky fate. I would not want Russia to become a country where you constantly think that maybe this is your last day of your life. [/ quote]
    You will not believe, Vadim, but I personally and I think the majority of the citizens of Israel did not feel more secure than here in Israel. This is probably difficult to understand and explain. Even when there was no Kipat Barzel yet and the air raid alert caught me driving in the direction facing the missiles, it was understandably scary. But even at that moment, I realized that we can stop it all and we can do it. I have been Ashkelonian for twenty years. If you go up to the roof of the skyscraper, admire Gaza. Israelis are not at all depressed people. Yes, we live in a different reality, although what it is different and for whom for today. Only the realization of how much we, despite the scanty territory, are prepared for this ... like no one else. And we know how to value life the same way. And we love her. Well, fate, everyone has their own
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 27 October 2013 11: 07
    0
    The law was adopted, but as always, a loophole was left in the form "... not subject to confiscation if the legality of the acquisition is documented ..." the law on combating the threats of terrorism!
  • voliador
    voliador 27 October 2013 12: 43
    -1
    Complete nonsense! Relatives may not even dream that they have a terrorist on their side. Even under Stalin they recognized that the son is not responsible for the father.
    1. In the reeds
      In the reeds 27 October 2013 13: 45
      +1
      Excuse me, please, but this is like in a joke about a dog that barks and does not bite. Yes, does this dog really know ... And the children of Stalin paid a dear price for their kinship with their dad, they hunted them, like all intelligence agencies of the world had never hunted wolves. For many years I could not understand and agree with this in the Bible that children responsible for their fathers, like Pioneer, Komsomolets, and in 1980 not a communist communist-komsgrupporg, despite all the entreaties of the political leader, could not understand this. I think now, as the old Jew understood. Parents are always ready for their children for a lot ... Yes, they are ready for everything, for any difficulties of the victim and ... sin. Only understanding that sacrifice for children for sinfulness for children should not turn moral understanding upside down should keep parents from a point that cannot be crossed. They parents should know and only this will stop them. Children will pay for it. Sad but somehow
  • Irokez
    Irokez 27 October 2013 13: 16
    +1
    Quote: voliador
    Complete nonsense! Even under Stalin they recognized that the son is not responsible for his father.

    And the father should at least somehow answer for the son - or not? As brought up and answer. Patriot brought up - honor and glory. Traitor - contempt. But the son is not responsible for the father - yes.
  • Igorisep900
    Igorisep900 27 October 2013 14: 07
    0
    Everything returns in a circle. First, we will take all the sanctions from Yermolov, then all the same finally from Stalin. Probably we will converge even in time and at the cost of their lives.
  • midashko
    midashko 27 October 2013 20: 33
    -1
    Does our administration fight terrorism? Nonsense!
    You can fight terrorism. As Grandfather Lenin said, “You give us white terror, and we will answer you red.” For several years, the country has embarked on a path of development, order has come. There is no means against terrorism as a reciprocal terror, maybe even more humane, but terror! Less bloody but effective! For example, it exploded in a crowd of people, in response to all your relatives, loss of rights, deprivation of citizenship, compensation for losses, etc. The introduction of mutual responsibility on members of his family. Who said that the son is not responsible for the father? Comrade Stalin? For current citizens, he is not like authority. The path is the responsibility of the son for the father, as well as brother for brother, wife for husband, daughter-in-law for father-in-law. The way they know that nothing passes without a trace. In Russia, innocent people die, then your family will have the same thing. You, the relative of the terrorists, are also to blame.
    Our ancestors always answered by the principle of tooth for tooth. And for this they were respected. And now what? Sy in the eyes - God's dew? This is not right. There is only one remedy against terror - terror. World civilization has not come up with anything else.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 27 October 2013 20: 46
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      This is all right ... But how is the "Miranda's Law"? Quote ("Red Heat"): - Tell me, captain, if you have such a paradise, then why are you, like us, up to your nostrils in this shit with heroin and cocaine ?!
      - The Chinese found a solution immediately after the Revolution: they built all the drug dealers, all the drug addicts, brought them to the square and shot them in the back of the head.
      - No, this will not work here: damned politicians will not.
      - Shoot them first.
  • Migari
    Migari 27 October 2013 23: 48
    0
    Such tough measures have been operating in Chechnya for several years, but there is little sense in them. In addition, trying to “rid the country of terrorist danger”, the Russian security forces are ready to take hostages themselves. Often in the same North Caucasus, situations arose where task forces used militant families as a "human shield", exposing them ahead of themselves during special operations.

    Since August 2008, 26 cases of deliberate arson of houses in which relatives of alleged terrorists resided were recorded.

    Such actions only show that the leadership of law enforcement agencies does not really know what to offer society to curb terrorism.
    Quote: 31231
    Ambiguous law. Practice will show. Cancel is not long.