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Eurasian Economic Council and CIS Summit in Minsk: Tower of Babel or Friendly Choir?

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On Thursday, heads and other representatives of the Commonwealth countries began to gather in Minsk. The first according to plan was to have a meeting of the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council. The participants in such a meeting were the heads of states of the Customs Union - the presidents of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia, as well as representatives of Armenia, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, who are preparing to join and discuss the so-called road map of the CU (by the way, President Atambayev did not fly to Minsk , and instead of him, the deputy prime minister participated in the meeting, which, apparently, is connected with the provision of political asylum at the time to the ex-president of Kyrgyzstan Bakiyev). In addition to the politicians listed above, a man arrived at the meeting, who was on the council, which is no secret, the head of Ukraine was especially waiting.


Eurasian Economic Council and CIS Summit in Minsk: Tower of Babel or Friendly Choir?


It was the presence at the meeting of Viktor Yanukovych as president of the observer country under the Customs Union that brought the main intrigue to the process. As you know, the Ukrainian authorities have recently begun to actively talk about choosing a European path of development, which was reflected in the readiness to associate with the European Union. But at the same time, both the Ukrainian President and the Ukrainian Prime Minister have repeatedly stated and continue to state that the signing of an association agreement with the European Union and the signing of an agreement on a free trade zone (FTA) with the EU cannot influence Ukraine’s desire to participate in Eastern integration that is, to have the opportunity to conduct the previous trade and economic, let's say, relations with the countries of the Customs Union. In Russia, such a position of the Ukrainian leadership is called an attempt to simultaneously sit on two chairs, but in (on) Ukraine prefer other formulations. Imagine one of these formulations in the form of a quotation by the deputy from the “Party of Regions”, Anna Hermann:

Firstly, a wise politician always has a backup option. A wise politician always has, as a good pilot, several alternate aerodromes, at least two, so as not to be dependent on one aerodrome. Secondly, Yanukovych never refused good, partnership relations with Russia, and, despite our confident path to European integration, we will build and develop relations with Russia, moreover - we hope that Russia’s place in the future will also be in European space.

Having several alternate aerodromes is, of course, wonderful. Suddenly there is bad weather over one - the “wise politician-pilot” will ask for a “landing” on the other. Conveniently, you will not say anything ... But only with a spare aerodrome in the form of the Customs Union, official Kiev can hardly succeed.

The fact that Viktor Yanukovych’s “alternate airfield” will have insoluble problems after concluding an association agreement with the EU and Ukraine’s accession to the FTA, the Russian president said. Answering the question whether it is possible that Ukraine will reserve the right to join the CU after the European association, Putin replied:

No impossible.


At the same time, Putin immediately declared that Russia was not going to fix the barriers to Ukraine on the path of its European integration. According to him:

This is not our business.


He explained Vladimir Putin and why the doors to the CU for Ukraine will shut after its entry into the FTA with the European Union. The Russian president said that after the first step into the Free Trade Zone with the EU, Ukraine would have to open its markets for European goods and services by about 75% to the EU. In five years, this figure will reach almost 98%. At the same time, the document itself on the association and free trade zone of Europeans is drafted in such a way that Ukraine will need to switch to European technical regulations as quickly as possible. During the transition to these regulations, Ukraine will in fact be deprived of the opportunity to export most of its goods to the EU markets (until the technical regulations are changed), but for the goods of a European manufacturer, the Ukrainian market will be almost completely open - there are no regulations here either to Berlin, Paris or Brussels no need to change.
Now it is worth referring to the other words of the Ukrainian law-maker, Anna Herman, who spoke of "alternate aerodromes" and "wise politicians." Mrs. Herman notes that the European Union needs Ukraine, which will have good partnership with its eastern neighbors, and says bluntly:

Europe needs Ukraine as a good contactor between Moscow and Brussels.


"Contacter" in this case can be replaced with a more precise term - "transit". After all, if Ukraine enters the FTA with the European Union, and at the same time the Customs Union continues to trade with Ukraine largely on preferential (do not take gas prices, of course) conditions, then there will be a situation in which the markets of at least three countries (Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan) will open without reasonable restrictions for European products. It is already a lot, but if there is also a preferential transit country-Ukraine, it will be possible to completely forget about our own production. Ukraine itself, plus Russia, plus Belarus, plus Kazakhstan will turn into banal sales markets, and with 80-90%, sales will be one-way.

In describing this situation, Vladimir Putin said that the European Union would give a screwdriver to the countries of the Customs Union. By screwdriver, as the president of Russia immediately explained, he understands the screwdriver assembly, like what the Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian and other industries can become.

However, it should be noted that Ukraine today is not only an observer of the Customs Union, but also an actual member of the CIS. And in the CIS operates its own free trade zone. The treaty came into force last September. Ukraine has signed and ratified such an agreement, and, therefore, when entering the FTA with the EU, it becomes a member of two free trade zones with rules that are mutually exclusive. That is, the imposition of any prohibitive measures on interaction with the economy of Ukraine, looking for "spare airfields" from Moscow, Minsk and Astana can be considered illegal? However, the legal nuances of all these treaties say that there is nothing illegal here.
Firstly, the CIS FTA has a special protocol that allows a state to protect its markets in special cases (the case of Yanukovich’s “airfields” among such), and secondly, Ukraine, by signing and ratifying the FTA agreement with the CIS, which is surprising, legally not a member of the CIS ... The reason is that Kiev has not yet ratified the Charter of the Commonwealth. That is, Ukraine is in the CIS, perhaps, at the everyday level, and legal literalism claims that Ukraine is not a full member of the CIS ...

By the way, after Viktor Yanukovych appeared at the meeting together with Yuriy Boyko (Deputy Prime Minister for the Fuel and Energy Complex), rumors spread that the President of Ukraine alluded to possible conditions for a “peace” with the Customs Union and abandoning plans to enter FTA with the EU. We are talking about a possible revision of gas contracts, with lower prices for Russian gas. So far, these rumors and rumors have remained, and the position of Viktor Yanukovych is still correlated with the statements of Herman about the search for "alternate airfields".

During the meeting of the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council, the issues of expansion of the Customs Union were discussed. At the same time, Vladimir Putin told the audience that he was thinking about full-fledged economic integration with the CU, for example, India, whose prime minister had recently visited the Russian capital. And Nursultan Nazarbayev said that Turkey is looking at the CU, which has recently been looking at European Union with great skepticism. As far as the words about the possible entry into the CU of India and Turkey are close to objective reality, nothing but time can show. Of course, with the entry into the CU of these countries, the organization would have acquired a mighty scale, but how much the economy will replay the policy at such a scale is another question. The potential presence in one association of Turkey and Armenia is, if not an explosive mixture, then a situation that requires literally a jeweler setting for a productive wave.

After the meeting of the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council, the Minsk Summit of the CIS also opened. One of the topics discussed is the appeal of the Belarusian president to all the Commonwealth countries to speak in the international arena from a unified position. The idea is certainly remarkable, but how great it is, so utopian and sharp. Speech from a unified position of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, Armenia and Azerbaijan - I want to believe in it ...

And the Belarusian leader invited Georgia to return to the CIS, but she answered coldly: they say, we said that we were marking the EU and NATO - we are not on the way with the CIS ... The CIS is only for us to sell Borjomi and Rkatsiteli - in the EU, they do not drink it ...

Other issues became much calmer (at least, calm due to discussion) at the CIS summit:
declaring next year the year of tourism in the CIS;
the announcement of the cultural capitals of the Commonwealth on 2014 (according to preliminary data, the Kyrgyz Osh and Kazakh Almaty will become such cities);
development of cooperation in the fight against crime (extremism, terrorism);
the creation of a council to counter corruption;
rewarding of those or other persons with certificates on behalf of the CIS.


Well, at the dinner everyone fed draniki and drunk cranberry juice. And those who are members, and those who are not quite members, and those who are honored member ...
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  1. Skiff
    Skiff 26 October 2013 08: 51
    -32 qualifying.
    Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan, the rest of the CIS countries are just waiting to spoil their neighbor, the CIS has no future and there is no normal past.
    1. os9165
      os9165 26 October 2013 09: 15
      40
      But I want to live, I already wrote that we all have 2 options either to be someone’s colonies or to unite a third one. In unification is our strength.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 09: 27
      13
      Quote: Skiff
      Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan, about

      Soon you entered Ukraine here.
      1. Skiff
        Skiff 26 October 2013 09: 31
        +2
        And I with soul and Faith, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia should be in place, this is the key to survival and prosperity, I do not see other countries in the future of our country, at least get out of my way.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 26 October 2013 10: 40
          27
          Quote: Skiff
          I do not see other countries in the future of our country, at least get out of my way.

          No need to be such a pessimist! There will be a large, large USSR, although the composition of the countries included in it will be different. hi
          1. Beck
            Beck 26 October 2013 11: 16
            -24 qualifying.
            Quote: Egoza
            There will be a big, big USSR


            It's what THE USSR?

            Which USSR did you mean? With a political, economic, ideological dominant in Moscow and an older brother who will point everything to everyone?

            If the future Eurasian community you see in this form, then you can dream further, before the revival of the Russian Empire with the Russian cities of Constantinople, Harbin and Port Arthur. Dreaming is not harmful.

            If the Kremlin has such messages, then there will be no joint community. Such a passed stage. Only on an equal basis.

            Due to the fact that the Kremlin wanted to see Belarus not equal in the Union State, but a province of Russia, Lukashenko “kicked” for several years, and the press controlled by the Kremlin was pouring out tubs of mud. And precisely because of this attitude of the Kremlin, flavored with twisting gas valves, doubling the price of gas, statements - give up Crimea, Donbass, The Kremlin finally pushed Ukraine away from the Customs Union into the arms of the EU. Objectively, it was easier for Ukraine to join the Eurasian community, but the Kremlin wanted to be the main among equals.

            And recently, Lukashenko and Nazarbayev firmly declared - To be an economic union, a political union, such as the USSR, No.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 11: 37
              14
              Quote: Beck
              ? With a political, economic, ideological dominant in Moscow and an older brother who will point everything to everyone?

              Now no one indicates Kazakhstan in the CU. Kazakhstan is quite successfully defending its position. Everything else is fiction.
            2. Alekseev
              Alekseev 26 October 2013 14: 34
              11
              Quote: Beck
              And precisely because of such an attitude of the Kremlin flavored by twisting gas valves, doubling the price of gas, with statements - give Crimea, Donbass, the Kremlin finally pushed Ukraine from the vehicle into the arms of the EU. Objectively, it was easier for Ukraine to join the Eurasian community, but the Kremlin wanted to be the main among equals.

              That Putin, or someone else from the leadership of Russia, demanded "give Crimea, Donbass"?
              Or is Ukraine the highest gas price in Europe, formed on different principles than for other consumers?
              Or is there no "main (or main) among equals in the EU, NATO?"
              Or, perhaps, Ukraine was "torn from its skin" to become Russia's allies, did not supply weapons and advisers to Sahaq, and supports the position of the Russian Federation on the international arena, say, on Syria?
              Do not tell my slippers, as they say in Odessa. laughing
              1. Akim
                Akim 26 October 2013 15: 08
                -8
                Quote: Alekseev
                Do not tell my slippers, as they say in Odessa.

                N.V. In Odessa they don’t say that.
                And why should Ukraine ape for Russia? She has her own position. So it was with Georgia, and in Syria. Moreover, the West recalls the port of Oktyabrsky (Nikolaev region., As a transshipment base for weapons to the Assad troops.
                1. Alekseev
                  Alekseev 26 October 2013 16: 04
                  10
                  Quote: Akim
                  N.V. In Odessa they don’t say that.
                  And why should Ukraine ape for Russia? She has her own position.

                  In Odessa, of course, they say differently. wink
                  And Ukraine, of course, shouldn’t have to monkey for anyone.
                  She just has to choose with whom and share the joys, and "bear the burdens of each other."
                  For example, I believe that with Russia. You, apparently, have a different opinion.
                  To work equally closely with everyone, to serve both "God and Mamon" will not work. The principle "both ours and yours" does not work in this world.
                  If the choice regarding the Russian Federation not allied, but "universal"then trade relations on a universal basis. And the principle of these very foundations in the world is simple: so that I don’t have losses due to a neighbor.
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 26 October 2013 16: 12
                    -10 qualifying.
                    Quote: Alekseev
                    If the choice in relation to the Russian Federation is not an allied one, but a "universal" one, then trade relations are also on a common basis. And the principle of these very foundations in the world is simple: so that I do not have losses because of a neighbor.

                    Still, you would have considered otherwise only friendship with Russia. But if I am friends with Zina, it does not bother me to meet with Tanya.
                    As for the trade. Yes, it seems, and so all these duty-free privileges within the CIS are no longer valid. They are nominal. Everything can work if we enter the vehicle. And these are different levels of relationships. Association and entry into any Union.
                    1. Alekseev
                      Alekseev 26 October 2013 17: 59
                      +1
                      Quote: Akim
                      Still, you would have considered otherwise only friendship with Russia.

                      Real Odessa!
                      But we (supporters of Ukraine’s integration with Russia) think a little differently. wink
                      Friendship with all who deserve it, the closest cooperation and union relations both economic and political with Russia.
                      In our pro-Russian view, this is due to historical, social, economic, religious, political and other reasons.
                      We think that Ukrainians will live better this way, although we know that in Ukraine, and in Russia, we have many opponents, especially in the stolen elites who have solid assets in the West.
                      That's the whole "disposition"
                    2. piotr534
                      piotr534 26 October 2013 23: 17
                      +4
                      Still, you would have considered otherwise only friendship with Russia. But if I am friends with Zina, it does not bother me to meet with Tanya.
                      Just do not need about friendship. Friendship can only be on an unselfish basis, but that which implies benefit is called very differently.
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 27 October 2013 06: 20
                        0
                        Quote: piotr534
                        Friendship can only be on an unselfish basis, and that which implies benefit is called very differently.

                        Do you believe in disinterested friendship between the two states? Please give an example.
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 27 October 2013 06: 31
                        0
                        Quote: Akim
                        Quote: piotr534
                        Friendship can only be on an unselfish basis, and that which implies benefit is called very differently.

                        Do you believe in disinterested friendship between the two states? Please give an example.
                        many cite the example of South Ossetia and Abkhazia
                      3. Akim
                        Akim 27 October 2013 07: 15
                        +3
                        Quote: atalef
                        many cite the example of South Ossetia and Abkhazia

                        I would not want to upset, but there, as with Belarus, money. In the world there is not a single state that does not pursue its selfish goals. It was not, even during the Soviet era.
                      4. El13
                        El13 27 October 2013 14: 26
                        +2
                        Dear Kim, what kind of money is it? So far, it’s audible that the money allocated by Russia for restoration has dissolved there, and what is there? oil fields or gold placers?
                        Well, the question is about apesity: when they talk about the independence or non-independence of states, what do they mean? the opportunity to send or not send your contingent to Iraq? threaten or not threaten another state? Why is there such a fear that Moscow will be a political center? will she make decisions that will be good for her, but bad for parts of the Union? In the modern incarnation of the Union, no one will ask to give everything earned to the center. Yes, you will have to pay for the general table for the army and other allied attributes, but even education and medicine will most likely be financed and maintained within their own countries that are members of the Union. The big question is the single currency and the emission center, but I think we are resolving this issue over time, so why are they so afraid?
                      5. Akim
                        Akim 27 October 2013 14: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: El13
                        Yes, you will have to pay for the army and other allied attributes on the common table

                        What is a common army under independent states united in a Union. And will they take the oath of allegiance to whom? That Abkhazia, that South Ossetia subsidized states, however, like Transnistria. Russia gives them money for their loyalty. There will be no money. The pro-Kremlin authorities will fly away instantly. Or did last year’s elections in South Ossetia not show a dangerous trend?
                      6. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 27 October 2013 14: 44
                        +3
                        Quote: Akim
                        Or did last year’s elections in South Ossetia not show a dangerous trend?

                        There, all the political forces are pro-Russian. Butania only about what clan will be in power. And Russian money has nothing to do with it. Everyone there is well aware that Georgia will collapse them without the support of Russia.
                      7. Akim
                        Akim 27 October 2013 15: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        Everyone there is well aware that Georgia will collapse them without the support of Russia.

                        This is what they inspired us. In 2008, there were no ATMs in Tskhinvali, weak Internet, or a single normal hospital. Because of the local kings, severe patients were taken to Vladikavkaz, and not to Gori.
                        Everything does not look unequivocal there.
                      8. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 27 October 2013 15: 15
                        +2
                        I have lived in Ossetia for eight with a penny years, I do not need to "inspire" anything. They have always been pro-Russian. Even when we did not send a penny there due to their complete absence.

                        They were taken to Vladikavkaz, and not to Gori because there were relatives, this time (they have very strong family ties, there is no concept of "namesake"), well, because in Vladikavkaz, the level of medicine is still much higher than in Gori - that's two ...
                  2. El13
                    El13 27 October 2013 16: 22
                    +1
                    I asked about money based on your words:
                    Quote: Akim
                    I would not want to upset, but there, as with Belarus, money. In the world there is not a single state that does not pursue its selfish goals. It was not, even during the Soviet era.

                    And now you write:
                    Quote: Akim
                    Russia gives them money for their loyalty

                    I thought that by the word "self-interest" you mean the opportunity to earn money (as the States milk the whole world), but it turned out to be an opportunity to have "loyalty", but what then is self-interest? Self-interest on the part of Abkhazia and South Ossetia in relation to Russia?
                    And the Union's army should be unified, otherwise it’s like in the EU - "who is in the woods, who for firewood", although at the first stage this is impossible, but then it will have to, because the entire Union will have to build aircraft carriers to protect the Union (aircraft carriers have nothing to do with it , I wanted to say about expensive projects)
                  3. Akim
                    Akim 27 October 2013 16: 43
                    +1
                    Quote: El13
                    but then what is self-interest? Self-interest from Abkhazia and South Ossetia towards Russia?

                    In an elementary feeding trough. It does not seem that Abkhazia and South Ossetia themselves will long stretch themselves. The economy cannot survive without external recharge. Transnistria has more chances.
                    So who will give them money so they will cooperate. Naturally, they will give Russia more preference.
                    As for the army. From whom we will defend. From a weak Europe? All the threat comes from the East. And these are the interests of Russia. And aircraft carriers are needed there, and not on the Dnieper in Belarus.
                  4. El13
                    El13 27 October 2013 23: 04
                    0
                    I said that I didn’t specifically mean aircraft carriers, the value of which in our policy is very doubtful, I mean expensive global projects such as missile defense, air defense, nuclear deterrence forces, space reconnaissance, communications and navigation, you must agree that such things must be built together, everyone needs them and even the aforementioned aircraft carriers in the Pacific will respect the interests of the entire Union as a single economic entity, and preferences will apply to all members, if not directly, then indirectly.
                  5. Akim
                    Akim 27 October 2013 23: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: El13
                    I mean expensive global projects such as missile defense, air defense, nuclear deterrence forces, space reconnaissance, communications and navigation

                    I do not think that Armenia will want to be a potential target of a nuclear attack again. And to whom should the military swear? In your words, the idea is to revive a new type of Union, like the USSR or the United States. But this means completely crushing small countries. The single currency, then the army is a very long process. Forcing it is impossible, but if you do make a detailed one, then in the Union itself there will be more opponents than supporters. There are no prerequisites for a quick merger. And countries have been independent for quite some time.
                  6. El13
                    El13 28 October 2013 13: 37
                    0
                    Quote: Akim
                    I do not think that Armenia will want to be a potential target of a nuclear attack again.

                    It is in this case that it SHOULD crawl under the umbrella of the missile defense system, and Russia’s restraining strategic missile forces, if it’s not so, then no one can rule out such a scenario, Iran, for example, will not tell you that the states will not use nuclear weapons when they attack it and fail the development of the situation. In this case, the Union will have to swear, of course, you can follow the path of the European Union, when there is no single army and one-man management, but there are supranational structures that are funded by the swagger.
                  7. Akim
                    Akim 28 October 2013 14: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: El13
                    It is in this case that she MUST climb under the umbrella of the PRO

                    She was expelled for these very purposes, because there are no facilities providing nuclear deterrence forces.
                  8. El13
                    El13 28 October 2013 14: 52
                    0
                    And before it was turned on, zakim? And in the event of an external invasion by the states, I think it will also be included if necessary, but there are no guarantees against this.
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  • Tartary
    Tartary 28 October 2013 06: 35
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Still, you would have considered otherwise only friendship with Russia. But if I am friends with Zina, it does not bother me to meet with Tanya.

    And Zina is friends with Borea, and Borya is friends with Klava, who sometimes makes friends with Afdotya and Cyril, sometimes not even in turns, etc.

    That is not far from a tripper ...
    What’s a tripper? And syphilis ... AIDS does not sleep.
    1. Akim
      Akim 28 October 2013 07: 49
      +1
      Quote: Tartary
      That is not far from a tripper ...

      Well, if you perceive friendship as soon as secAc, then I will not be friends with you
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 28 October 2013 11: 14
      0
      Quote: Tartary
      That is not far from a tripper ...

      Practically the same thing, only in other words and facts I try to show Akim that Ukraine is unhealthy.
      And in response: "Everything is the way, everything will pass, it does not concern you, etc."
      Like: "It's not a tripper, but"French runny nose" request
    3. Walker1975
      Walker1975 28 October 2013 11: 42
      0
      I understand that the representative of the most healthy country is worried about the health of Ukraine?
    4. Corsair
      Corsair 28 October 2013 14: 46
      +1
      Quote: Walker1975
      I understand that the representative of the most healthy country is worried about the health of Ukraine?

      "Ailments" happen in our country too, but on the whole Russia appears to be a healthier state ...
    5. Walker1975
      Walker1975 28 October 2013 16: 13
      0
      But it seemed to me the opposite. Russia is healthier than Ukraine, on 3 points:
      - she is HEALTHY (more territory);
      - she has gas and oil;
      - she has nuclear weapons.

      In all other respects - a medical encyclopedia.
  • Akim
    Akim 28 October 2013 11: 45
    0
    Quote: Corsair
    Practically the same thing, only in other words and facts I try to show Akim that Ukraine is UNZEALO

    Yes, what facts !!! What we already know. A dislocation is not a fatal diagnosis. I repeat, for those who are in an armored train. Direct Ukraine now toward the CU and if Yanukovych loses the presidential race, the country will again start spinning from the CU to Europe. you so viciously do not want to understand that one course is needed. That the country should not be humpty-chatting for at least a dozen years. And you travichit as wound up about a joint force. Together, this is when they want together, and not driven by a whip. After all, Ukraine will turn sharply in the direction of the troika, the Right Bank will rise on its hind legs. Want to plunge the country into chaos? Healthy smart guy, and behave like a kid.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 28 October 2013 13: 32
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    After all, Ukraine will turn sharply in the direction of the troika, the Right Bank will rise on its hind legs. Want to plunge the country into chaos?

    Does the Left Bank and Crimea on the geo-political map mean NOTHING?
    Nancy with the Bandera renegades, kiss in the ass, contrasting them to the majority of Ukrainians.

    HOW DOES THIS REMEMBER THE SITUATION WHEN AN NOTHING HOMOLOBBY IMPOSES HIS "LIFESTYLE" ON THE MOST ... negative

    I'm sorry for "Caps Lock", but maybe at least it will come to you.
  • Akim
    Akim 28 October 2013 14: 00
    +1
    Quote: Corsair
    Does the Left Bank and Crimea on the geo-political map mean NOTHING?

    And who besides your television and Markov said that the southeast is mostly against it?
  • Corsair
    Corsair 28 October 2013 14: 11
    0
    Quote: Akim
    And who besides your television and Markov said that the southeast is mostly against it?


    Quote: Corsair
    I apologize for the "Caps Lock", but maybe it will reach you at least SO.


    Yes heavy lol , running case, but we will work ...
  • Makarov
    Makarov 26 October 2013 16: 46
    +2
    in my opinion she has already chosen ... time will tell whether it is right or not ...
  • zasxdcfvv
    zasxdcfvv 27 October 2013 00: 42
    +9
    brother drags home huts, contacted the gop campaign, the other brother does not like it. Normal reaction. bully
  • Beck
    Beck 26 October 2013 17: 38
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Now in the CU, no one points to Kazakhstan.


    So then the CU, an economic association. But not political. And the Kremlin, since 2000, has been sleeping and seeing to put together the past - the imperial-Soviet center in Moscow. But history manages reality despite the desire of individuals. THE EURASEC IS NEEDED BUT EVEN WITHOUT A CREEP OF THOUGHT ON RULE. EQUALITY ONLYWITHOUT THIS, NO COMMUNITY WILL BE BUILT.

    Quote: Alekseev
    That Putin, or someone else from the leadership of Russia, demanded "give Crimea, Donbass"?


    So according to all the canons of international relations and diplomacy, officials could not say such a thing. But there are controlled media outlets that voice the Kremlin’s wishes. Actually, if that is the case, then Ukraine will give Crimea to Russia, and Russia will give Crimea to the Crimean Tatars. Since it was originally, according to history.

    Quote: Alekseev
    Or is Ukraine the highest gas price in Europe, formed on different principles than for other consumers?


    Rough. Europe gas at 200 dollars per thousand cubic meters, Ukraine at 400. Ukraine even began re-exporting Russian gas from Europe, such as 10 dollars, but cheaper. And only when Ukraine stood on the threshold of the EU, the Kremlin realized that it was proposing to lower the price of gas to 200 and promises soft loans in excess. Is it too late? This had to be done earlier, then it is quite possible Ukraine would not have knocked on the EU.

    Quote: Alekseev
    Or is there no "main (or main) among equals in the EU, NATO?"


    In the EU there are major economically, but not politically, these are Germany, France, England. But not a single decision will enter into force unless Luxembourg agrees.

    NATO will also not send troops anywhere until there is a unanimous consensus.

    Quote: Alekseev
    Or, perhaps, Ukraine was "torn from its skin" to become Russia's allies, did not supply weapons and advisers to Sahaq, and supports the position of the Russian Federation on the international arena, say, on Syria?


    Exactly. What is torn? Ukraine is an independent state, it has its own policy. If there was a desire to leave Ukraine in the circle of its interests, then it was necessary to take into account its policy and find compromises. And how to support in Syria. Belarus and Kazakhstan also do not support and do not oppose, they are diplomatically silent. And personal, why support the bloody dictator, who, instead of holding the Elections two years ago as the people demanded, began to shoot at this very people. And only because Assad wants to retain sole power.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 18: 00
      +2
      Quote: Beck
      THE EURASEC IS NEEDED BUT EVEN WITHOUT A CREEP OF THOUGHT ON RULE. ONLY EQUALITY, WITHOUT THIS ANY COMMUNITY WILL NOT BE BUILT.

      And now, unless otherwise, the CU is now equal in all respects. Regarding politics, it wasn’t built until the United States and the EU began to intervene.
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 27 October 2013 12: 20
        0
        Equal? Do you admit that within the framework of the CU, Kyrgyzstan will block Russia's decision?
        1. F117
          F117 27 October 2013 21: 33
          +1
          In the TS, decisions are made unanimously. And if, for example, Belarus says "no", then, in this case, there will be a revision of the law already with the wishes of Belarus.
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 26 October 2013 18: 19
      +6
      Quote: Beck
      Rough. Europe gas at $ 200 per thousand cubic meters, Ukraine at 400.

      Too rude. laughing No need to make waves in the basin.
      Gas prices, although secret, under the terms of the contracts, but their general level is quite affordable, take an interest. And no one suggested lowering prices, where did you get all this from?
      And loans have always been, including soft loans.
      "The EU has the main ones economically, but not politically, these are Germany, France, England. But not a single decision will come into force if Luxembourg does not agree."

      NATO, too, will not send troops anywhere until there is unanimous consensus. "
      Do not tell, it seems to be a serious gentleman from Kazakhstan ... request
      Luxembourg will agree, Malta will agree, and they will even try hard. lol
      Everyone who makes decisions, especially in NATO, knows everything except those who are very sick on the head (deaf-mute)
      "Ukraine is an independent state, it has its own policy."
      So who is arguing? And for its sovereign policy, the Ukrainian leadership (like any other) should bear sovereign responsibility, especially to its people.
      And what about the "bloody Assad" and his no less bloody I will not discuss enemies with you, everything on the site on this topic has already been discussed.
      Have a nice dream in the steppes of Kazakhstan, right, really night?
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 26 October 2013 18: 22
        +3
        No, we have 20: 22. wink
      2. Beck
        Beck 26 October 2013 19: 28
        +4
        Quote: Alekseev
        Gas prices, although secret, under the terms of the contracts, but their general level is quite affordable, take an interest


        Interested in. They are about the same as I wrote.

        Quote: Alekseev
        And no one suggested lowering prices, where did you get all this from?


        At a press conference, Putin said this.

        Quote: Alekseev
        Do not tell, it seems to be a serious gentleman from Kazakhstan.


        What to make fun of. Read their organizational charters. And in NATO, in extreme cases, simply Denmark or Norway will not send their troops. As it was more than once.

        Quote: Alekseev
        And for its sovereign policy, the Ukrainian leadership (like any other) should bear sovereign responsibility, especially to its people.


        It bears. Gas at 400 dollars hits ordinary Ukrainians, in the end it is they who pay for gas. That is so that there was a smaller government of Ukraine and went to the EU.

        Quote: Alekseev
        And as for the "bloody Assad" and his no less bloody enemies, I will not discuss with you, here on the site everything has already been discussed on this topic.


        Do not need. For you, any scoundrel is a friend, if only the West can afford it.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 26 October 2013 21: 05
          +9
          And lastly, I’ll say ... smile
          (But, of course, not to convince you personally, for I understand perfectly well that this is a useless exercise)
          1. As for gas prices, they are not as low in the EU as some people think.
          "... the average gas price for European countries in the first half of 2013. was $ 413,1... For five countries, the rate exceeded $ 500. Gazprom's fuel was more expensive than others in Macedonia ($ 564,3 per 1 cubic meters), Poland ($ 525,5), Bosnia ($ 515,2), the Czech Republic ($ 503,1) and Bulgaria ($ 501,0). " according to the newspaper "Izvestia", which so far no one has publicly tried to refute.
          2. Read carefully what Putin said at this very "some kind of press conference"
          3. Well, if Denmark or Norway does not send troops, then there will be no big trouble for Uncle Sam. Their number is 16, sitting and talking approvingly, sir, they will give their share of the money. And the soldiers will be sent by Ukraine and Georgia, etc. And if uncle cries, then Denmark will send. yes
          4. For us, any scoundrel is not at all a friend.
          With Assad and Gaddafi, Western leaders hugged and kissed at the time. They probably didn’t tyrannize their subjects very much then. wink
          But what did Assad put in his pocket in the West?
          Well, then, now there are big democrats (and humanists too lol) who are eager for power in the entire Middle East, and in Syria, in particular, the West will not put anything in their pocket. And they will cut off his head just gradually. request
          If they allow it, of course. And they have more than enough desire.
          1. Walker1975
            Walker1975 27 October 2013 12: 24
            +2
            Quote: Alekseev
            "... the average gas price for European countries in the first half of 2013. was $ 413,1... For five countries, the rate exceeded $ 500. Gazprom's fuel was more expensive than others in Macedonia ($ 564,3 per 1 cubic meters), Poland ($ 525,5), Bosnia ($ 515,2), the Czech Republic ($ 503,1) and Bulgaria ($ 501,0). " according to the newspaper "Izvestia", which so far no one has publicly tried to refute.


            And this taking into account the cost of transit? Don’t you find that Ukraine is several thousand kilometers closer? In addition, the price of Ukrainian gas also includes the Black Sea Fleet base in the Crimea.
          2. Beck
            Beck 27 October 2013 12: 49
            +1
            Quote: Alekseev
            And lastly, I will say


            Lastly, so last. The master is the master.
        2. piotr534
          piotr534 27 October 2013 00: 00
          +2
          It bears. Gas at 400 dollars hits ordinary Ukrainians, in the end it is they who pay for gas. That is so that there was a smaller government of Ukraine and went to the EU.
          And again, not true! Gas prices for the population of Ukraine have been frozen for several years, which was the reason for the IMF's refusal to repay an already allocated loan.
    3. piotr534
      piotr534 26 October 2013 23: 45
      0
      Rough. Europe gas at $ 200 per thousand cubic meters, Ukraine at 400.
      Lying!!! There is no gas in Europe for 200 dollars, and Ukraine receives not 400 but 530-100 = 430 and the price is not constant because it is tied to the price of oil.
      Ukraine even began re-exporting Russian gas from Europe, such as $ 10, but cheaper. And only when Ukraine stood on the threshold of the EU, the Kremlin realized that it was proposing to lower the price of gas to 200 and promises soft loans in excess. Is it too late? This should have been done earlier, then it is quite possible Ukraine would not have knocked on the EU
      Some kind of nonsense, this is called (I heard a ring but don’t know where it is).
      In the EU there are major economically, but not politically, these are Germany, France, England. But not a single decision will enter into force unless Luxembourg agrees.

      NATO will also not send troops anywhere until there is a unanimous consensus.
      And again by. Economic weight = political weight, just in the order you listed. And at the expense of NATO, this is a fairy tale for kindergarten.
      And personal, why support the bloody dictator, who, instead of holding the Elections two years ago as the people demanded, began to shoot at this very people. And only because Assad wants to retain sole power.
      And again, FALSE !!! Elections have been held. What are you lying all the time?
      1. Beck
        Beck 27 October 2013 13: 29
        +1
        Quote: piotr534
        And again, FALSE !!! Elections have been held. What are you lying all the time?


        And here it is necessary to see which of us lying. After the death of Hafez, his son Bashar did not become a dictator after the Elections, but after the referendum, rigged by the figures 97,29%, these figures are possible only in an authoritarian state, as if in Syria at that time there were no patients, business travelers, nihilists etc. Elections are when there is plenty to choose from. The referendum does not give a choice. Lying to you.

        Quote: piotr534
        And at the expense of NATO, this is a fairy tale for kindergarten.


        In 2001, only the United States, Canada, and Great Britain entered their forces from NATO countries in Afghanistan. Other NATO countries did not send troops. In 2011, Holland, Austria, and Germany did not send their air and sea forces to Libya. Lying to you.

        Quote: piotr534
        Some kind of nonsense, it's called


        If you do not watch and do not listen to enough news programs, then for you the flight to Mars can be nonsense.

        Quote: piotr534
        Lying!!! There is no gas in Europe for 200 dollars, and Ukraine receives not 400 but 530-100 = 430 and the price is not constant because it is tied to the price of oil.


        I wrote that I determined the price approximately. But for Ukraine it turned out that it was not 400, but 430. Maybe for Europe it was not 200, but 260. But the approximate ratio of 1: 2 remains. Lying to you.
        1. Beck
          Beck 27 October 2013 13: 54
          +1
          Quote: Beck
          Maybe for Europe it’s not 200, but 260. But the approximate ratio of 1: 2 remains.

          I agree, quite, of course the difference is not 1: 2, I take my words back. But still, gas for Europe is cheaper than gas for Ukraine, otherwise why is fuss.
    4. SV
      SV 27 October 2013 19: 45
      0
      equality - a mess / in this case, synonyms ...
  • piotr534
    piotr534 26 October 2013 22: 57
    +4
    The Kremlin wanted to be the main among equals.
    Look at the map, "equal." All the way you are blackmailing Russia that if you stop giving buns, immediately run to the west. Only it will not be like this forever, now Russia will choke economically. Yanukovych, violating Russia's geopolitical plans, still hopes for trade cooperation, yes Russia now, even to the detriment of itself, it will bankrupt Ukraine. It will bring it to complete impoverishment, default and disintegration, and then it collects fragments. Ukraine hopes for the EU, only Europe itself is afraid of Russia and is unlikely to strain too hard to save the square. am
    1. Beck
      Beck 27 October 2013 13: 36
      0
      Quote: piotr534
      now Russia will strangle economically. Having violated Russia's geopolitical plans, Yanukovych still hopes for trade cooperation, and now Russia will even bankrupt Ukraine to its own detriment. It will bring it to complete impoverishment, default and collapse, and then collect fragments.


      HERE is exactly such an imperial-Soviet and urashny one that the neighbors fear. If this is reflected in Russia's policy, there will be no Eurasian Economic Community. "Strangle" Ukraine, then that you will take over Belarus and Kazakhstan, and then for others.

      And Uraina does not hope for Russia, maybe she had hoped before, but now she has left for the EU.
  • Beck
    Beck 28 October 2013 08: 18
    +2
    Quote: Beck
    And recently, Lukashenko and Nazarbayev firmly declared - To be an economic union, a political union, such as the USSR, No.


    Yeah. I didn’t think and wondered if my top comment would be a mini test for respect site visitors to the creation of a UNIFIED, EQUAL EURASIAN COMMUNITY, which would respond economic the challenges of the economies of China, the USA, Europe and other countries.

    The main leitmotif of koment is the creation of a registered equal union, and not imperial-soviet monster of past eras with the dictates of everything and everything from one center.

    And the opponents who debated with me did not touch on this main leitmotif, but opposed it on secondary, adjacent issues. But I did a little statistical research based on the pros and cons I submitted.

    A total of 64 people voted, 45 of them minus, 19 pluses. In percentage terms, 70% was against my koment. But were against silently, not a single one opposed me that the EurAsEC did not want, and not one openly expressed that it wanted an imperial-Soviet union.

    But the numbers themselves say. 70% of those who have minded secretly wish for a resurrection imperial-Soviet center in Moscow. Not the creation of an equitable alliance. I think it’s Uroshniki. That is, they are not concerned about the FUTURE economic condition of our countries, but Cry for the loss of the empire and their supremacy.
    1. Walker1975
      Walker1975 28 October 2013 11: 47
      +3
      Quote: Beck
      But the numbers themselves say. 70% of those who have minded secretly wish for a resurrection imperial-Soviet center in Moscow. Not the creation of an equitable alliance. I think it’s Uroshniki. That is, they are not concerned about the FUTURE economic condition of our countries, but Cry for the loss of the empire and their supremacy.


      And there is. You can be sure. Anyone who begins to tell you fairy tales about what a democratic TS is now and how everything is decided by consensus is lying to you (and maybe to yourself). You can rest assured that if at least one country in the CU gives an opinion that is fundamentally different from Moscow, then a panopticon will pop up on the TV screens, which will begin to broadcast how everyone owes Russia, how it feeds everyone and begin to call for tightening the screws, crushing, bombing, etc. d.
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 28 October 2013 09: 11
    +2
    Quote: Beck
    What kind of USSR is this?

    Which USSR did you mean? With a political, economic, ideological dominant in Moscow and an older brother who will point everything to everyone?

    If the Kremlin has such messages, then there will be no joint community. Such a passed stage. Only on an equal basis.


    I subscribe to every word.
  • saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 26 October 2013 11: 41
    10
    Quote: Egoza
    No need to be such a pessimist! There will be a big, big USSR

    Or maybe the Russian Empire, which included Poland and Finland, is better?
  • Onyx
    Onyx 26 October 2013 11: 00
    +4
    Quote: Skiff
    I do not see other countries in the future of our country, at least get out of my way.

    Persuaded. Minus
  • SHILO
    SHILO 26 October 2013 10: 30
    29
    Two airfields, two chairs, two boobs!

    It will end like in a joke.

    Hit American, Russian and Ukrainian to the savages. am
    The leader voices the conditions of liberation: 5000 dollars or eat a pound of salt or the whole tribe uses the 5 point. wassat
    The American boblo paid and drove off. bully
    Russian ate a pound of salt and home. tongue
    The Ukrainian thought and became salt.
    A kilogram of 10 has eaten: I can’t do everything anymore - save me!
    Gender of the tribe took advantage: let's sіl.
    I ate a couple more kilograms and again: I can’t do it anymore - please, me!
    One leader remained in line, the Ukrainian shouted: yes, take the oaths pennies. wassat crying
    1. kmike
      kmike 26 October 2013 11: 56
      +6
      A good joke, the main thing in the topic.
  • yurii p
    yurii p 26 October 2013 10: 35
    +6
    "something happened to my memory" .... you were probably born yesterday and poorly taught history or you skipped these lessons, I remind you there was such a country as the USSR, the ancestor of the CIS, this is the past, and the future will show that your pessimism or even hostility is unfounded, but the fact that the current CIS is not in the best condition is thanks to the kind of people you represent.
    1. Gari
      Gari 26 October 2013 12: 41
      14
      Quote: yurii p
      something happened to my memory ".... you were probably born yesterday and did not study history well or you skipped these lessons, I remind you there was such a country as the USSR, the ancestor of the CIS, this is the past, and the future will show that your pessimism or even hostility is unfounded, otherwise that the present CIS is not in the best condition, it is thanks to such people whom you represent.

      But the main thing is that everything is going at least slowly so far, but I don’t know how to revive the Customs Union, the Eurasian Union or the USSR, or how,
      The main thing is UNION !!!
  • kris
    kris 26 October 2013 17: 59
    -1
    Again, Putin's balabolstvo.
    After all, there is a simple solution to the problem. But Putin is not actively doing this.
    You just need to put things in order in Russia, to make people's lives worthy and stable.
    Then no one will have to call in an alliance, they themselves will line up in a queue!
    1. alone
      alone 26 October 2013 18: 29
      -8
      I remember the queues during the USSR. Thank you, as we can do without queues)) wassat
      1. kris
        kris 26 October 2013 18: 37
        -4
        Quote: lonely
        I remember the queues during the USSR. Thank you, as we can do without queues))

        alas, but you are right!
        raw appendage is not a good example to follow!
        1. alone
          alone 26 October 2013 19: 12
          -3
          this is my opinion. either you forgot these lines, or you were not born yet.

          comment refers to minusers
          1. kris
            kris 26 October 2013 19: 33
            +6
            Quote: lonely
            this is my opinion. either you forgot these lines, or you were not born yet.

            although some lines you remember with warmth.
            1982 year Kamchatka, p. Zavoyko.
            31 December, I stood for two hours behind strawberries.
            but when I brought home a basket of fragrant berries, I was the happiest at that time. Parents were pleasantly surprised by such a gift.
            Quote: lonely
            comment refers to minusers

            hammer on them! hi
            1. alone
              alone 26 October 2013 22: 35
              +1
              wassat scored with a 200mm nail))
      2. vadson
        vadson 27 October 2013 22: 06
        +3
        Quote: lonely
        I remember the queues during the USSR. Thank you, as we can do without queues)) wassat

        , give two (lines) but return my homeland to the USSR, I still love her and yearn for her, there, in addition to lines and coupons, I brought the country with a pro-Western course and concessions. and there were Gagarin and May 9, and much more. if there is a common union, we can still do many great things for the benefit of mankind. and with a pro-Western course there will be only gay parades, coupons and EVERYTHING, there is no future in Western civilization, it is flawed. will be like with a union in the early 90s
    2. piotr534
      piotr534 27 October 2013 00: 11
      +2
      [quote] Again, Putin's balabolstvo.
      After all, there is a simple solution to the problem. But Putin is not actively doing this.
      You just need to put things in order in Russia, to make people's lives worthy and stable.
      Then no one will have to call into an alliance, they themselves will line up! [/ Quote And do you know at least one politician who would be able to cope with this task better than Putin?
      1. El13
        El13 27 October 2013 14: 41
        +2
        Exactly, you need to give out money to everyone so that everyone has enough for everything ... What isn’t being distributed? ... I don’t know request
        Such commentators always offer to build paradise on earth in a single country and only then we will have the right to vote in the external arena, maybe others have already built paradise, so they not only give voice, but also bomb others.
        (piotr534, it's not for me)
  • valerei
    valerei 28 October 2013 09: 15
    +2
    Skiff, you're wrong. What? An invitation to the Customs Union, with many benefits for Ukraine and many losses for Russia - is it "shit"? Unfortunately, the politicians of Ukraine are aimed at separating (I will omit the word "fraternal") kindred peoples, so that it would be more convenient to plunder Ukraine. Unfortunately, both in Ukraine and in Russia, politicians do not ask their peoples, they make irresponsible decisions on how to govern the state, which is why we have what we have. The thousand-year history of our states, and when we were apart and together, says that the "West" never helped us, and if it did something useful for us, it was very, very much for a sickly fee. And this is at best, otherwise he was simply trying to achieve his goal by war. Well, in this case, no war is foreseen, which means that a banal robbery of Ukraine is planned under the sauce of the EU. Maybe our Putin is not right in many ways, but he is completely right about Ukraine's plans to join the EU, unfortunately for you.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 October 2013 09: 03
    19
    The fact that Viktor Yanukovych’s “alternate airfield” will have insoluble problems after concluding an association agreement with the EU and Ukraine’s accession to the FTA, the Russian president said. Answering the question whether it is possible that Ukraine will reserve the right to join the CU after the European association, Putin replied:

    No impossible.


    Putin, as always, short and tough ..! This time is not a fig to twirl backwards .. We decided on the "orientation" well, thank God, and the attitude will be appropriate in all directions. All let's go bye .. (but not for the Ukrainian people of course ..)
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 09: 28
      10
      Quote: MIKHAN
      No impossible.

      Putin, as always, is short and tough.

      But at the same time, Ukrainian politicians continue to say the opposite to the people of Ukraine laughing
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 26 October 2013 10: 27
        +5
        Let the politicians of Ukraine "integrate" any parts of the body))) And the people of Ukraine .. for what century has been integrated with Russia .. And this is the main thing.
        And then we’ll come (to the EU) write ... m (politicians, etc.) and take the money! as usual .. We do not give up!
        1. alone
          alone 26 October 2013 18: 32
          +1
          Ukraine and other countries themselves decide their fate. Let them do what they see fit. Inappropriate signs and insults push Ukraine and others away from themselves even more.
          1. MG42
            MG42 26 October 2013 19: 24
            +2
            Quote: lonely
            they consider it necessary. Inappropriate pointers and insults push Ukraine and others away from you even more.

            Mikhan did not insult the Ukrainian people, and Ukrainian politicians do not favor us, and why did you decide that they directly push them away like this, it’s better to see from Azerbaijan, by the way, there was a topic in VO where Azerbaijani citizens are most pessimistic against the CU, you are one of them
            Residents of Azerbaijan are most negatively inclined towards Eurasian integration, 53% of which answered the question about attitude to the CU
            negatively

            http://topwar.ru/34861-integraciya-za-i-protiv-rezultaty-oprosa-na-postsovetskom
            -prostranstve-okazalis-vesma-neozhidannymi.html # comment-id-1611430
            Quote: lonely
            I remember the queues during the USSR. Thank you, as we can do without queues))

            And what only did you remember?
            1. alone
              alone 26 October 2013 22: 43
              +4
              Quote: MG42
              Mikhan did not insult the Ukrainian people, and Ukrainian politicians do not favor us, and why did you decide that they directly repel everyone,


              my comment didn’t apply to Vitaliy’s comment. I think if he felt something, he would write it. just when they start discussing Ukraine here, insults towards Ukraine and Ukrainians go beyond limits. then they are called saloids, then h.ohlah, then Bandera and even worse candidates for gays. All this is disgusting and vile to read. Do you think this will change the opinion of those Ukrainians who are for EU integration?

              Quote: MG42
              And what only did you remember?


              well, I’m not 60, not even 50. and as I saw myself as an intelligent person, I had to stand in line for hours to get sugar, butter and meat 1kg per month with coupons. Well, excuse me, children's memory is especially strong.
              1. MG42
                MG42 26 October 2013 23: 01
                +4
                Quote: lonely
                when they begin to discuss Ukraine, the insult towards Ukraine and Ukrainians goes beyond all limits. then they are called saloids, then h.ohlah, then Bandera and even worse candidates for gays. All this is disgusting and vile to read. Do you think this will change the opinion of those Ukrainians who are for EU integration?

                Yes, to be honest, I didn’t notice such a tough trolling here, the site’s rules do not allow me, sometimes I go to Ukrainian sites, and you don’t hear such things in Russia, for example, nobody here called me from Russian users over the year of my presence on the site with the above words. .
                As for the gay candidates, a whole package of equalizing gay laws has been adopted when applying for a job, all this is for the sake of the EU, if it wasn’t advertised before, it can splash out onto the streets .. it’s just that we rush to extremes, for example, when they canceled visa regime for EU citizens, now not only ordinary tourists come here but also pedophiles European and in search of wives, sometimes it’s disgusting to watch the Arabs walk the streets and pinch the girls they are shy in their homeland and here they come off in full time ..
                For example, going to Azerbaijan and behaving so defiantly will probably not work, but tolerance is developing in our country, there are really right-wing radicals "freedom" and what will this ultimately lead to? ..
                1. alone
                  alone 26 October 2013 23: 31
                  +2
                  Quote: MG42
                  Yes, to be honest, I didn’t notice such a tough trolling here,


                  You just didn’t want to notice it. What about the rules, do you see a warning here? I rang out because of a hunchbacked bear. I wanted to hang on to something. The other 20 wrote the same thing and nothing. As for the Arabs, I’ll say so, in many Arab countries they will get 80 kicks for that. Well, we have a secular state in Azerbaijan, well, except those who sell the body (and everyone has such everywhere and everywhere) no one walks with a freshman in the arms.
                  the order must be established first of all by the first duty at home, so that all local and newcomers understand that the country has the rule of law. And this law punishes everyone indiscriminately.
                  about tolerance, of course we can’t disagree about this, but there are some gaps here. I can say hello, one example. Our citizen was recently killed and our citizen was arrested. If they are to blame, they put me in prison, I don’t mind. .but a few days after the well-known events, the Uzbek and ours were killed. Someone is looking for killers? will they be found? what were these two guilty of? They were guilty of both non-Russians. They are not to blame for the fact that your officials let them to Russia.
                  In this situation, no alliances will benefit. That is why Azerbaijan as a whole is skeptical of such ideas. And to cooperate, there are bilateral relations that are carried out by both parties as expected.
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 26 October 2013 23: 45
                    +4
                    Quote: lonely
                    you just didn’t want to notice it

                    if there is no acuteness of the discussion, then it will just be sadly on the forum, there are some wrote comments as he says to himself = the slogan has moved up to the next topic ..
                    Quote: lonely
                    the order must be established first of all by the first duty at home, so that all local and newcomers understand that the country has the rule of law. And this law punishes everyone indiscriminately.

                    Knowing local laws = we who are richer and are right, the law will be on his side, as for migrants = if only in the end a Ukrainian in a national costume did not look in the distant future like in this photo winked >>
                2. Walker1975
                  Walker1975 27 October 2013 12: 30
                  -3
                  Something is wrong you are looking. In all Russian forums, and this one is no exception, any opinion that Ukraine can build its future without Russia, that Crimea is not Russian, that Ukraine may have its own views on history is immediately trolled and minus. Even on this forum, I have repeatedly seen replicas where Ukraine was called a non-state, and its inhabitants were "outskirts", "amy", etc. And in some branches you can invite all doubting Ukrainians to see what the "brotherly people" writes.
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 27 October 2013 12: 49
                    +5
                    Quote: Walker1975
                    Something is wrong there you are looking. In all Russian forums, and this one is no exception, any opinion that Ukraine can build its future without Russia, that Crimea is not Russian, that Ukraine can have its own views on history, will immediately troll and be minuscated.

                    Please open today's topic on Ukrainian forum <Censor> read comments about Putin >>
                    http://censor.net.ua/forum/672772/putin_oproverg_slova_yanukovicha_v_ts_vse_prot


                    ivorechit_tomu_o_chem_dogovarivaetsya_ukraina_s_es # comments
                    Quote: Walker1975
                    Even on this forum, I have repeatedly seen remarks where Ukraine was called a non-state, and its inhabitants were called “okraintsy”, “amy”, etc.

                    Specifically, someone called you from Russian users, for some reason I don’t, maybe I have the USSR flag ?, so I was under yellow-blue for 6 months, and recently, as an experiment, I again took the yellow-blue week, the number of pluses and minuses depends on the comment and not on the flag, on the contrary, my skirmishes were with our users, who scammed Svidomo shit on the Ukrainian forums on the subconscious, but here the site rules do not allowwassat
                    Quote: Walker1975
                    And in some branches you can invite all doubting Ukrainians to see what the "brotherly people" writes.

                    We open today's topic Ukrainian forum "Unian" and read the comments >>
                    http://www.unian.ua/news/601718-ukrajinskiy-vibir-bryusselya-navischo-mi-evropey


                    tsyam.html
                    By the way, you are the namesake on the forum 13 days from the moment of registration, already <junior lieutenant>, no one is driving you into the skull, so why complain about the forum?
                    1. Walker1975
                      Walker1975 27 October 2013 13: 52
                      +1
                      I just don’t want to spend time sometimes in useless fights and miss out on particularly odious branches. By the way, these 13 days were enough for me to see that some slogans (even in the complete absence of analytics and the reality of execution) can gain a lot of advantages (whoever praises me best of all will receive a big sweet candy), and criticism, even reasoned, collects the pros rarely. Although it happens in the red and do not drive.
                      1. MG42
                        MG42 27 October 2013 21: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Walker1975
                        I just don’t want to waste time sometimes in useless fights and miss out on particularly odious branches.

                        To each his own, you can protect yourself from everyone in the emergency and go to the branch yourself ..
                        Quote: Walker1975
                        By the way, these 13 days were enough for me to see that some slogans (even in the complete absence of analytics and the reality of execution) can gain a lot of advantages (whoever praises me best of all will receive a big sweet candy), and criticism, even reasoned, collects the pros rarely. Although it happens in the red and do not drive.

                        Seryozha, at least re-read your posts here is your first post on the forum >>
                        Quote: Walker1975
                        For the Union with Russia, only those who are not able to learn the language of their state. And that’s not all. There are opponents of the vehicle, even among fully Russian-speaking.

                        Ie Azarov can not learn the Ukrainian language, he is for the vehicle? wassat And Yanukovych speaks Ukrainian so cool, remember how he could not remember the word "Yolka" for a minute on the air "Yalinka" he is a European integrator ??
                        And there are types on the forum who cannot learn Russian, therefore they are for the EU = <iron logic>
                        For the CU, mainly according to the regional principle of East and South of Ukraine, Center and West for the EU, this is shown by the results of the voting, and the language here is secondary, if Russian were made second state. language as Yanuk promised before the election, the guarantor would have much less problems ..
                      2. Walker1975
                        Walker1975 28 October 2013 00: 21
                        -1
                        It’s hard for me to tell you the last, because I don’t remember the context of the phrase and what I was thinking about and what posts I read then.

                        But then I found on a Russian site written by a Russian:

                        The abundance of ethnofolisms and insulting words used in relation to other nationalities eloquently testifies to the "friendliness" of Russians. Any other language can envy such diversity. Here are just a few of them (in addition to those already mentioned above): Bulbashi, Tatarva, Nemchura, sausages, Fritz, Czechs (Chechens), Chinese, Japs, macaroni (Italians), Americans and s, Negritos, Azerbaijanis, Jews, frogs (French ), dates (Finns), Chukhonts (Estonians), Labuses (Lithuanians), Poles, hominy (Moldavians). I'm not even talking about the endless "chuchmeks", "chebureks", "black knives", "monkeys" and so on. So the great-power xenophobia struck the public consciousness of Russia even at the linguistic level.
  • 77bob1973
    77bob1973 26 October 2013 09: 14
    +6
    I have never seen Yanukovych’s expressed opinion, everywhere ministers and prime ministers say for him, he’s a plant!
    1. Sashkessss
      Sashkessss 26 October 2013 09: 27
      +4
      Yeah, ficus shameless, political cactus
    2. Imperial
      Imperial 26 October 2013 10: 20
      10
      You better not hear it, you still won’t understand anything, Chernomyrdin is resting. Here are some pearls http://www.shytok.net/prikols-6779.html
      1. MG42
        MG42 26 October 2013 18: 40
        +3
        Quote: Imperial
        You better not hear it, you still won’t understand anything, Chernomyrdin is resting. Here are some pearls http://www.shytok.net/prikols-6779.html

        Pavel, there is no key pearl of Yanukovych in the list >>

        And about the "schlöppers" do you remember how he spoke at the Cabinet of Ministers in criminal jargon?
        1. Imperial
          Imperial 27 October 2013 07: 59
          +3
          Hello Sergey! We watched the movie "Real Dad", here is the same case, you need a personal translator. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Xp19PCofvUg
          1. MG42
            MG42 27 October 2013 13: 02
            +3
            Quote: Imperial
            Hello Sergey! We watched the movie "Real Dad", here is the same case, you need a personal translator

            Hi Paul! hi No, I didn’t watch it, but I liked the video, I’ll definitely look = the logic of our guarantor can be understood only by hairdryer ..
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 26 October 2013 10: 43
      +8
      Quote: 77bob1973
      he is a plant!

      So after all, Gani German is not around to tell what to say. Therefore, modestly, in a little corner on a stool, by an observer. laughing
      1. 77bor1973
        77bor1973 26 October 2013 11: 05
        +7
        Here is the feeling that Yanukovych walks like a "chipped" one.
    4. Akim
      Akim 26 October 2013 15: 42
      +2
      Quote: 77bob1973
      I have never seen the expressed opinion of Yanukovych

      But Yusch was a good balabil for us. In general, you need to watch and news from the other side.
      1. MG42
        MG42 26 October 2013 18: 54
        +3
        Quote: Akim
        But Yusch was a good balabil for us. In general, you need to watch and news from the other side.

        Yanukovych wrote in his profile aboutFfessor with two Ff wassat Doesn't it remind anyone?
      2. kris
        kris 26 October 2013 19: 41
        +6
        Quote: Akim
        But Yusch was a good balabil for us. In general, you need to watch and news from the other side.

        look!
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 26 October 2013 09: 15
    +3
    About the members of course cool. They want to eat fish, etc.
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  • vladimirZ
    vladimirZ 26 October 2013 09: 27
    10
    Yanukovych and Azarov are traitors to the Ukrainian people (Ukrainians, Russians, Russians, etc., living in Ukraine), the same as Judah Gorbachev.
    After joining the EU, the people of Ukraine will regret the lost, but no matter how late it may be, the situation may be incorrigible.
    It is necessary to think, act now, in order to prevent the triumph of the ENEMIES of the PEOPLE.
  • igorra
    igorra 26 October 2013 09: 31
    10
    Armenians are an ancient people, they remember initially who is a friend, who is an enemy, Georgians have been looking for whom to lean against all their life, who is currently the strongest and best patron, Little Russians have not yet thrown off Polish-Austrian zapadentsev, or they don’t have enough crap, I don’t understand where who, and we may be enough to appease them all. his affairs are higher than the roof. It’s high time for the president to turn to face us, and back to them, after tightly closing him tightly, away from their sin. Everything will be fine with us, in line.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 26 October 2013 10: 22
      +1
      Quote: igorra
      Armenians are an ancient people, they remember initially who is friend, who is enemy

      correctly and not long ago wanted to blame the EU ......... it is good that Putin intervened on time ........ bully
  • vlad_krimean
    vlad_krimean 26 October 2013 09: 33
    +6
    Watch the video of the criminal occupation of Ukraine and you’ll understand who is driving the country. Yanek is worried about his stolen assets that are abroad, so he is jumping to the tune of the EU, but there is Tymoshenko, and this is a threat to his power. So rushing around.
  • fisherman
    fisherman 26 October 2013 09: 35
    +2
    I do not want to offend anyone, but this "smart politician" has completely confused everyone, including his own people.
  • Stinger
    Stinger 26 October 2013 09: 52
    +4
    If the poor are united, do not wait. The practice of our economic strategists, who do not understand a damn thing in production, shows that the essence of their associations is that one hundred poor people hang on a slightly breathing subject, which quickly sink the bottom.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 26 October 2013 09: 54
    +2
    Thanks Alexey! He smiled, especially about:
    those who are members, and those who are not quite members, and those who are honored members ...
    And Ukraine seems to have already fallen away ...
    1. askort154
      askort154 26 October 2013 11: 57
      +3
      retiree Quote And Ukraine seems to be already a member of the departed.

      Not falling away, but falling in anticipation of the VIAGRA from the EU.
  • Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 26 October 2013 10: 06
    +2
    In the 15 year in Ukraine elections. Let's see how “wise” and what “alternate aerodromes” will have to be thrown by Pan Yanukovych!
  • makarov
    makarov 26 October 2013 10: 13
    14
    "... In Russia, this position of the Ukrainian leadership is called an attempt to sit on two chairs at the same time, but in (in) Ukraine they prefer other formulations ...."
    How can one not recall Garik I. Huberman !!!
    Having decided to serve - do not slam the door,
    scolding booze - tony in the works;
    impossible with the same ass
    sit on oncoming trains.
  • Semurg
    Semurg 26 October 2013 10: 17
    +5
    NAS announced Turkey’s interest in the CU and their desire to have at least observer status? There will be a gap in the template for some people if this solution passes. True, the Russian leadership will probably be categorically against it.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 26 October 2013 13: 29
      +9
      Sagat, good afternoon fellow countryman. I don’t think so - Pytin quite often meets with the Turkish leadership. Then, there was laid the Russian gas pipeline with the prospect of its further extension. There was interest in the construction of a nuclear power plant. Turkey provides an opportunity to enter the Mediterranean Sea and the Middle East. In short, there are more pluses for Russia than minuses. The past must be left to historians.
      And the fact that "the roof will come down" is unambiguous. But it seems to me that Turkey is just looking closely and wants to gain political weight in front of the West with its statements about the SCO and the CU. Like, we have a choice and if you continue to ignore our intentions, then we will turn to the east. Although who knows that Erdogan's mind is a rather unpredictable person.
      1. Akim
        Akim 26 October 2013 13: 33
        +1
        Quote: Kasym
        In short, there are more pluses for Russia than minuses. The past must be left to historians.

        But what about the obstacle. Turkey is an associate member and it has an FTA with Europe?
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 26 October 2013 13: 42
          0
          Quote: Akim
          Turkey is an associate member and it has an FTA with Europe?

          Quote: Akim
          Turkey is an associate member and it has an FTA with Europe?

          so these are Turks)))) and you are Slavs, brothers ... and the former republic ... wassat I don’t want some to lose you ...... they think that you are like the Ryazan region .... smile
        2. Kasym
          Kasym 26 October 2013 16: 33
          +6
          Akim, good evening! It’s like they want it — they accept our conditions and leave this membership and the FTA with Europe (although, I think, there are enough barriers and pitfalls there). We do not pull them, but they are certainly attracted by cheap energy and a more or less solvent market of 170 mil. + 70 mil. Of their own, access to any kind of raw material. Well and where without our tourists. hi
          1. Akim
            Akim 26 October 2013 16: 41
            0
            Quote: Kasym
            So they kind of want - they accept our conditions and leave this membership and the FTA with Europe

            This will definitely not happen. There are many joint ventures or European firms (such as Renault) have opened their plants there and are driving cheaper products from there. It is not profitable for them to lose the market of 350 million with greater purchasing power.
            As Semyon Semyonich said: "We will search."
      2. Semurg
        Semurg 26 October 2013 14: 15
        10
        Dauren, and good day to you (though it’s slushy on the street, rrrrr) I heard a lot about Turkey; there is something to buy; and I'm sure that the Turks want everyone to wallow at their feet lol States, like people, are looking for where it is better (the UK does not have eternal friends and constant enemies but has eternal interests). The Turks can decide that they are more interested in the TS, or maybe they are filling the price before Europe? Erdogan, I think, wants the benefit of Turkey as he understands this, not without errors, but with him, the Turks took a big step forward.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 26 October 2013 17: 22
          +6
          Sagat, in Alma-Ata, it’s now Indian summer to +20 - beauty! I don’t even want to think that y is about to begin - the last warm days of 2013!
          Sagat, it was about
          "True, the leadership of Russia will probably be categorically against." Putin, I think, will only be for. Rubbing the nose of NATO and the EU in this way is worth a lot.
          AVT, in my opinion, in vain so. Many, looking at Turkey, see the Western puppet. But to win is not bydy. Y Erdogan is an internal problem with the military, who have always been considered the elite of the Turkish people and playing along with the radicals. In foreign policy, these throwings: either hugs with the Jews, then can not see.
          Relations with neighbors are not very good. Of course, he is great about his economy. And this is where it gets interesting. Since he is such a good "business executive", he must understand the economy. Therefore, he understands that new markets are needed for long-term economic growth. Turkey will not accept the EU as an equal membership, this is understandable - the waves of emigrants and guest workers have already gotten to the EU - in short, they will find a reason. Iran (Persians) is considered a competitor and with them the Turks will hardly open their borders. With Syria and Iraq, everything is clear. Kurds and Armenians should also be remembered. The north remains. Therefore, I think that Erdogan's intentions are more like the truth. True, these plans are for a more distant prospect.
          It all depends on ourselves in the first place - will we make the vehicle attractive to others or not? hi
          1. avt
            avt 26 October 2013 18: 04
            0
            Quote: Kasym
            AVT, in my opinion, in vain so. Many, looking at Turkey, see the Western puppet.

            4 minutes later, I wrote that I did not think so.
            Quote: Kasym
            Pytin, I think it’s only for. Wipe the nose of NATO and the EU so it's worth it.

            So in short for the sake of Euryopians to spoil? With unknown and practically negative consequences for Russia? You write about some yourself
            Quote: Kasym
            The EU will not accept Turkey as an equal member, this is understandable - waves of emigrants and guest workers of the EU
            So, you clearly underestimate GDP, Russia’s relations with Turkey are optimal today and there’s no need to make any construction for our own headache, we have enough of our own pains.
      3. Drummer
        Drummer 26 October 2013 16: 48
        +1
        I agree, it is necessary to process Turkey (and, in the future, Israel), and not USSR 2.0.
      4. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 26 October 2013 16: 53
        +1
        Most likely Turkey wants a privileged partnership!
      5. avt
        avt 26 October 2013 17: 26
        +1
        Quote: Kasym
        that y Erdogan in yme is a rather unpredictable person.

        Yah !? Nothing of the kind. It’s quite clear and tough for itself, within the framework of what is permitted to it by universal comrades, and most importantly, is consistently building its neo-Ottoman Islamist line.
        Quote: Kasym
        Like, we have a choice and if you continue to ignore our intentions, we will turn east.

        Well, they did this even with arms contracts, with Kamov helicopters, for example.
        Quote: Kasym
        The past must be left to historians
        Whose? Here the Germans wrote to us in Romanov-Gottorp-Hessian times.
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 26 October 2013 10: 21
    +5
    I don’t understand one thing ... if Ukraine signs an association with the EU, Russia will block access to Ukrainian goods so that there would be no transit. Right? about why you can’t allow to the Russian market EXACTLY those goods that are 100% made in Ukraine?
    Why don't they talk about this? Many industries successfully cooperate on mutually beneficial terms.
    I can’t imagine a situation where a turbine blade made in Ukraine at a RUSSIAN factory cannot get to the customer in Russia ... absurdity.
    1. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 26 October 2013 10: 31
      +7
      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      Why can’t you allow ONLY ONLY those goods that are made in Ukraine at 100%?
      The problem is that sticking the label "Made in Ukraine" is not tricky, so, as sad as it is,
      turbine blade
      corny will fall under the distribution.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 26 October 2013 10: 48
        +3
        Quote: Andrey KZ
        The problem is that sticking the label "Made in Ukraine" is not tricky.

        the problem is that you don’t need to glue some things and a label
        Quote: Andrey KZ
        corny will fall under the distribution.

        and this is as if 100% Russian detail, but only now it will be made in the territory of Ukraine)
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 26 October 2013 10: 53
          +4
          Power plants for our frigates and helicopters are made in Ukraine
          1. old rocket man
            old rocket man 26 October 2013 13: 21
            +2
            Quote: ivshubarin
            Power plants for our frigates and helicopters are made in Ukraine

            Yes, and on health. We both in Germany and Finland buy a lot for the fleet, without any alliance
    2. Tyumen
      Tyumen 26 October 2013 10: 38
      +3
      Ideologically unstable blade? :-)
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 26 October 2013 10: 38
      +5
      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      I don’t understand one thing ... if Ukraine signs an association with the EU, Russia will block access to Ukrainian goods so that there would be no transit. Right? about why you can’t allow to the Russian market EXACTLY those goods that are 100% made in Ukraine?

      They talk about it from the newsboy to Putin, but everything is incomprehensible! request
      How to distinguish how many percent made in Ukraine?
      And goods from Ukraine will be allowed on the TS market. Everything and on a common basis. According to the rules of the WTO. There will be no benefits - that's what spears break.
      And if Ukrainian enterprises still add agricultural products and some raw materials, not to Russia, so to the EU, not to the EU, so to China, not to China, so to Africa, then for engineering, for the high-tech industry, there are remnants of all that has developed in close integration with Russia, what needs to be supported, developed joint projects and protect from western and other competitors, often not as honest as they say about themselves, a quiet "scribe" will come.
      "Screwdriver" at best.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 26 October 2013 10: 50
        +2
        Quote: Alekseev
        How to distinguish how much percent is made in Ukraine?

        wrote above. there are things that you don’t even need to glue on a label
        and what does it mean by what percentage?
        now in the world of cooperation, order from those who benefit
        how much is the percent superjet Russian?
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 26 October 2013 15: 07
          +2
          Quote: zmey_gadukin
          now in the world of cooperation, order from those who benefit
          how much is the percent superjet Russian?

          Do not confuse cooperation with protecting your market. Protectionism is increasing all over the world now, despite cooperation and the WTO.
          For example, the greater the national localization of production, the more they use their materials and parts at a car factory, the more tax and other benefits it has.
      2. Akim
        Akim 26 October 2013 11: 16
        0
        Quote: Alekseev
        How to distinguish how much percent is made in Ukraine?

        And now cars are imported from here. The scheme is the same.
    4. My address
      My address 26 October 2013 10: 56
      +3
      Right.
      But. Unless production of the Kharkov electric machines and the Dnepropetrovsk pipes will allow? Germany quickly cover. According to the ANAM France will do the same.
      1. Akim
        Akim 26 October 2013 11: 18
        -4
        Quote: My address
        By ANAM, France will do likewise.

        Yeah, and cheap labor (sarcasm) will creep into the EU. Do not carry snowstorm.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 11: 41
          +4
          Quote: Akim
          Yeah, and cheap labor (sarcasm) will creep into the EU.

          And who will let you into the EU? They promised to cancel visas, well, they will promise it again ten times
          1. Akim
            Akim 26 October 2013 11: 51
            -2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And who will let you into the EU?

            That's it. So it is with enterprises. Our markets do not overlap. And Russia will export Ukrainian products. Turnover is 9 times more than with Georgia. Moscow will not be able to refuse it and replace it with something.
            1. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 26 October 2013 12: 04
              +3
              Engines for helicopters and planes were slowly launched, but for frigates, there wasn’t anything
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 15: 42
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              . Moscow will not be able to refuse it and replace it with something.

              Moscow will be able to, the matter is different. It is about the competition of Ukrainian goods and goods from the EU inside Ukraine. There was such a thing already in the USSR, goods poured from Europe and the USA and our seamstress factories stood up. Billions were needed for modernization, but there were none then. And now Ukraine does not have them. With regards to replacement, it’s a matter of time and a replacement will be found very quickly. In the world there is a lot of competition and you can lose the market very quickly
              1. Akim
                Akim 26 October 2013 15: 51
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                on the competition of Ukrainian goods and goods from the EU within Ukraine

                And now they are not competitors? Or are there only Ukrainian TVs and irons in stores, and ZAZ and Bogdan cars at car dealerships? our market is already open.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 26 October 2013 15: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  our sewing factories stood up. Billions are needed for modernization, but they weren’t

                  cool and Ukrainian sewing factories sew for French brands.
    5. bistrov.
      bistrov. 26 October 2013 11: 06
      +7
      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      I can’t imagine a situation where a turbine blade made in Ukraine at a RUSSIAN factory cannot get to the customer in Russia ... absurdity.

      For example, the Kharkov Tractor Plant announced the dismissal of half of its workers due to its almost complete halt due to the cessation of supplies of Russian components, namely engines of the Yaroslavl Motor Plant YaMZ. In addition, the Krukovka Carriage Works laid off 500 of its workers, and the Stakhanov Carriage Works 1500 people due to Russia's refusal to produce these plants. What do you say to that?
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 26 October 2013 12: 49
        0
        Quote: bistrov.
        stopping the supply of Russian components, namely engines of the Yaroslavl Motor Plant YaMZ. In addition, the Krukovka Carriage Works laid off 500 of its workers, and the Stakhanov Carriage Works 1500 people due to Russia's refusal to produce these plants. What do you say to that?

        studio links
        1. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 26 October 2013 21: 34
          0
          Quote: zmey_gadukin
          studio links
          Wagons stopped ordering in Ukraine - that's right. There are some. Yes, and a lot of them, new ones are not needed in large quantities
          1. Akim
            Akim 26 October 2013 21: 52
            +1
            Quote: Mature Naturalist
            There are some. Yes, and a lot of them, new ones are not needed in large quantities

            When did they appear so abruptly? Wagons from Ukraine also go. They are cheaper and better. Although some kind of tax, such as a recycling fee for cars, can make them not competitive. But your business will also not get better because of the stupidity of politicians.
            1. ATATA
              ATATA 27 October 2013 15: 17
              0
              Quote: Akim
              Wagons from Ukraine also go. They are cheaper and better.
              And what happens?
              1. Akim
                Akim 27 October 2013 15: 22
                +1
                Quote: ATATA
                And what happens?

                Time to buy, then it happens. Or are we used to just releasing cheap and high-quality military products?
              2. Akim
                Akim 27 October 2013 18: 35
                +2
                Quote: ATATA
                ATATA

                By the way. Russia is a high-tech country. Weapons do decent. But why in Russia do not make high-speed trains? Not these under the French license, but ours.
                1. Walker1975
                  Walker1975 28 October 2013 00: 26
                  0
                  And why in Russia do not make cars in which the Russian official is not ashamed to get in? Not a coarse assembly of other people's cars, but yours?
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev 26 October 2013 14: 49
        +2
        Quote: bistrov.
        What do you say to that?

        It is better to produce products and strengthen both economic and political interaction with the Russian Federation. Close customs unfinished, on which they do not check anything, but you stand forever for hours.
        Here's what we say. tongue
        PS
        It is wild to hear allegations that YaMZ refused to supply diesel engines (this is in the context of a fierce struggle for sales markets), now any private owner can buy them, the more, the better it is for the plant to be brought to Kharkov at KhTZ. Most likely, there were problems with payment, about which they are silent, sir.
        For this, the TS is being created so that, by and large, there is no difference where and what to release on its territory.
      3. Sergey_K
        Sergey_K 28 October 2013 00: 30
        +1
        I will say that YaMZ will probably present its workers with engines. Or do they diverge like hotcakes? Something I don’t remember. For every action there is opposition - we break industrial chains there - we lose jobs here. But when we in Russia thought about a robot who lost his job because of Putin’s complexes ...
    6. Kars
      Kars 26 October 2013 11: 12
      +1
      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      Why don't they talk about this?

      And then what will Pu threaten with?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 11: 42
        +7
        Quote: Kars

        And then what will Pu threaten with?

        But who needs you to threaten you? In an open text it has already been said, decide for yourself. Putin sent Ukraine to. decide for yourself, tired already.
        1. Kars
          Kars 26 October 2013 11: 46
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Who needs you to threaten you?

          But I haven’t got it. All the conclusions were made after the first cheese war))
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          .Open text already said, decide for yourself

          Pu has a mess in his head, probably the great empire’s ambitions keep him awake.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          .Putin sent Ukraine to

          How not cultural))
          As for Pu - how European goods will soar for three weeks at the border as Ukrainian then we'll see))
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 14: 19
            +6
            Quote: Kars

            I don’t get it already

            Putin will not threaten you, he simply does not suspect your existence laughing
            Quote: Kars

            Pu has porridge in my head

            Well, you didn’t make a discovery, I already know that you have the authority of EU and Obama policies.
            Quote: Kars

            How not cultural))
            But short and clear!
            Quote: Kars
            About Pu--

            Kars, you provoke cho. You sit here and intentionally write the name of the President of Russia in abbreviated form. Well, you’ll provoke yourself like that. And as for the goods, Putin is not the Ukrainian government, he will send Europe, as it has already happened more than once.
            1. Kars
              Kars 26 October 2013 14: 36
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Putin will not threaten you, he simply does not suspect your existence

              It makes me very happy.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Well, you didn’t make a discovery, I already know that you have the authority of EU and Obama policies.

              You and something to know? These are mutually exclusive processes.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              But short and clear!

              What else to expect from an inadequate person?
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Kars, you provoke cho. You sit here and intentionally write the name of the President of Russia in abbreviated form.

              Do you want to follow everyone who provokes and spells the name of the Ukrainian president wrong?
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              .Well, so provoked

              And what will you do? What would be to not be biased?
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Putin is not the Ukrainian government; he will send Europe, as has already happened more than once.

              Is that in some little things that would please such frivolous individuals.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 15: 00
                +2
                Quote: Kars
                You and something to know? These are mutually exclusive processes.

                Decide to flash your brain? Kars, not worth it. For you there is a good Russian proverb-You can’t **** do not torment jo ..
                Quote: Kars

                What else to expect from an inadequate person?

                Most visitors from Ukraine consider you to be just like that. wassat And I understand them.
                Quote: Kars
                Do you want to follow everyone who provokes and spells the name of the Ukrainian president wrong?

                You do not understand Karsik, WE ARE RUSSIAN AND WE ARE ON A RUSSIAN SITE !!! That's when I will distort Yanek’s surname on the Ukrainian website, you will make a remark to me.
                Quote: Kars
                Why not be biased?

                First I’ll change your comments, we’ll learn to write the name of the President of Russia correctly tongue
                Quote: Kars
                Unless in some little things,

                Yeah, bomb the candidate for NATO, put Greenpeace, and there is all the European trash. And you know, Hodor is in prison and doesn’t go to Germany for treatment. And Ukraine can or only in a nightmare wassat
                1. Kars
                  Kars 26 October 2013 15: 14
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Decide to flash your brain?

                  I don’t even offer you this.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  -You can’t **** torment jo ..

                  it’s not clear what you wrote - but I’ll suggest that you do it yourself.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Most visitors from Ukraine, consider you exactly the same

                  do you keep records? I'm flattered))) and that is their right.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  You do not understand Karsik, WE ARE RUSSIAN AND WE ARE ON A RUSSIAN SITE !!

                  and so what? is it written somewhere in the rules? and there are places about the exclusivity of Russians? permissiveness? but this statement told others about you a lot.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  First I’ll change your comments, we’ll learn to write the name of the President of Russia correctly

                  Oh, I have a personal servant.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Yeah, bomb the candidate for NATO, put Greenpeace, and there all the European trash
                  I'm telling the little things. And even the Greenpeace will most likely be released.

                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  And you know, Hodor is in prison and does not go to Germany for treatment.
                  Well, Hodor is sitting - Serdyukov is not sitting. And in Russia no one is already hoping for a rule of law.

                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  But Ukraine can or only in a nightmare
                  Well, Ukraine complies with international law.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 15: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: Kars

                    and so what? is it somewhere written in the rules?

                    And nothing, the rule is general and nobody personally adjusted them for everyone. And where did you see permissiveness, the number of banned Russians is many times greater than the rest. If you want to defend the right to distort the name of the president, sue me.
                    Quote: Kars
                    I'm telling the little things. And even the Greenpeace will most likely be released.

                    Of course trifles, in your understanding, everything that Russia does with regard to Europe and the USA is trifles.
                    Quote: Kars
                    Well, Hodor is sitting - Serdyukov is not sitting. And in Russia no one is already hoping for a rule of law.

                    Well, we will sort it out in our own country, without requiring gentlemen from the EU.
                    Quote: Kars
                    Well, Ukraine complies with international law.

                    Haaahahaha wassat wassat wassat these are the norms that require changing the criminal code and issuing Tymoshenko. That’s how footmen do.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 26 October 2013 15: 33
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      And nothing, the rule is general

                      ))))))))))))))
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      WE ARE RUSSIAN AND WE ON A RUSSIAN SITE !!!

                      ))))))
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      If you want to defend the right to distort the name of the president, sue me.

                      And only his servant work?
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Of course trifles, in your understanding, everything that Russia does with regard to Europe and the USA is trifles.

                      And more it does nothing.
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Well, we will sort it out in our own country, without requiring gentlemen from the EU.

                      WE)))) did you decide to make me laugh? Do you have any influence? Everything you President of Russia Putin.go decides to plant for me, whom not to plant.
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      then those norms that require changing the criminal code and releasing Tymoshenko. That's what the lackeys do.
                      Well, the lackey knows better. Regarding the points, it’s pretty legitimate.

                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      and not, Kadyrov nervously smokes on the sidelines. You have not seen Obama's motorcade, there are also helicopters

                      And probably when Washington rides on the streets of ANYONE))))
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 15: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        And only his servant work?

                        And do not dream, the poor have no servants !!!
                        Quote: Kars
                        And more it does nothing.

                        You tell this to Obama laughing
                        Quote: Kars
                        ? Everything about you is decided by the President of Russia Putin whom I respect, to plant, whom not to plant.

                        He doesn’t decide if he had met, many would have sat.
                        Quote: Kars
                        Well, the lackey knows better.

                        I say, you know better how the Ukrainian authorities are smarter to lick the EU.
                        Quote: Kars
                        He flies a helicopter, it's time to know. For all history, Obama only once drove a car to the White House
                        And probably when Washington rides on the streets of ANYONE)))
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 26 October 2013 15: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And do not dream, the poor have no servants !!!

                        well, don’t be shy. became my servant so bear your head proudly.
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        You tell this to Obama

                        Obama is important about his own voters and not the president of Russia I respect, whom I send to Syria such as a fleet to maintain tension in the Persian Gulf and high oil prices, respectively.
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        He doesn’t decide if he had met, many would have sat.

                        how did he plant his friends?
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I say, you know better how the Ukrainian authorities are smarter to lick the EU.
                        and you would like that the Russian Federation?

                        don’t throw it on Obama’s helicopter - here
                      3. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 16: 43
                        0
                        Did you like the fix?
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                      6. Apollo
                        Apollo 26 October 2013 17: 38
                        +5
                        Quote: Kars
                        Kars


                        Good evening hi

                        The founders of the VO website and forum are Russian citizens. Initially, the website was created as a military-patriotic website of Russia. On the whole, the website has become a full-fledged website of the CIS countries. That is, the website as a whole belongs to us. But sometimes no, no, you Kars admit unpleasant in your expressions expressions, in particular when mentioning the head of state of Russia. This does not color you. I would like to emphasize that we all, including you, should respectfully when mentioning the head of a particular state. If you at least once again blank expression are not compatible with the treatment, or when referring to the head of a state you skhlopochite warning from me.
    7. MG42
      MG42 26 October 2013 14: 49
      +4
      Yanukovych's motorcade is more abrupt than Putin's, more escort and security vehicles are no longer difficult to compare in the video >>
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 26 October 2013 15: 09
        0
        Judging by the motorcade, the coolest president Kadyrov
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 15: 29
          +4
          Quote: ivshubarin
          Judging by the motorcade, the coolest president Kadyrov

          No, Kadyrov nervously smokes on the sidelines. You have not seen Obama's motorcade, there are also helicopters laughing
      2. Akim
        Akim 26 October 2013 15: 37
        0
        Quote: MG42
        Yanukovych tuple abruptly than Putin, b

        Honestly, I got sick of counting a tuple of explosives.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 26 October 2013 15: 45
          +3
          Quote: Akim
          Honestly, I got sick of counting a tuple of explosives.
          To be honest, I got sick of counting these motorcakes until the arrival of government planes was organized in Kach. The bypass of Simferopol was closed almost constantly, the car traffic of the peninsula was almost completely blocked. By the way, in this video they are moving at a rather low speed. Apparently - there is no direct threat to passengers. Usually they "flew" one and a half times faster ... wink
          1. Akim
            Akim 26 October 2013 15: 53
            +1
            Quote: Misantrop
            By the way, in this video they move at a fairly low speed

            The road is clearly not an autobahn. You can roll over.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 26 October 2013 16: 06
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              The road is clearly not an autobahn. You can roll over.
              The road is a fairy tale in comparison with the majority of Crimean ones. After traveling along the route "Airport Tsentralny-YuBK-Airport Tsentralny", the patrol BMW went to the full bulkhead of the chassis. I know for sure, an acquaintance was just doing this
        2. MG42
          MG42 26 October 2013 15: 49
          +6
          Quote: Akim
          Honestly, I got sick of counting a tuple of explosives.

          What brings you to Kars today to the wrong steppe .. laughing Before I upload the video, I can say for sure that it is with Enakievo, and in Yanukovych the roots of Yanukovych no one else will go there except him.
          Most likely in your video there are several tuples of officials, then take the trouble to read what the Russian YouTube users write it is Kadyrov there in the comments see his cars ..
          Obamkin's cortege for comparison >>
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 15: 52
          +2
          Quote: Akim

          Honestly, I got sick of counting a tuple of explosives.

          Yes, this is not Putin’s motorcade, when he was driving along the highway, there are a bunch of officials of all kinds behind him. Most of the cars are local princes.
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      3. Akim
        Akim 26 October 2013 16: 49
        +1
        Quote: MG42
        Yanukovych has a better motorcade than Putin

        And you can also find in this a plus. What good roads have become in Enakievo. Previously - a pothole on the pothole.
        1. MG42
          MG42 26 October 2013 17: 50
          +3
          Quote: Akim
          Quote: MG42
          Yanukovych has a better motorcade than Putin

          And you can also find in this a plus. What good roads have become in Enakievo.

          I’m interested only here such storytellers from Ukraine laughing Lemon hryvnia a day for the maintenance of Yanukovych, plus his security "DUSYA" so-called in charge? So let him cut through the whole square with a cortege, so that everywhere the roads are patched up lol , thanks to the type of brother that nominated Zavgar for the post of President of Ukraine with 2 walks for robbery and inflicting heavy bodily.
          The people hate him fiercely for the "broken life", and you praise this damn even words ..!
          1. MG42
            MG42 26 October 2013 18: 09
            +2
            And why did he need a helicopter for Yanukovych for $ 17 million, if Obama has a motorcade, then compare the US GDP and the Ukrainian GDP, why would a poor country have such show-offs with gold plumbing at Yanukovych’s cottage?
            1. Akim
              Akim 26 October 2013 20: 06
              0
              Quote: MG42
              And why did he need a helicopter for Yanukovych for $ 17 million,

              So are you a fan of TBI? Can you tell me a cheaper helicopter?
              1. MG42
                MG42 26 October 2013 20: 26
                +3
                Quote: Akim
                So are you a fan of TBI?

                There is no smoke without fire, TBI is precisely what our government presses most of all, because they made independent reports and the very first filmed, for example, Yanukovych's `` intermountain '', for which the authorities established surveillance over them, then there was a raider seizure and a change of ownership, this is an old report
                Quote: Akim
                Have you seen the statements?

                Akim, I realized what kind of fruit you are, lay out a sheet to you, you won’t believe, but the point is, should I convince you?
                Knock me at the SBU?
                File a lawsuit against Arseniy Yatsenyuk, he has even more figure >>

                “The costs of the Administration of the President of Ukraine over the past 2 years increased by 1,7 billion UAH. Do you know how much it costs one day to maintain President Yanukovych? Only just 1 million 360 thousand UAH. How much does one flight of President Yanukovych cost? His one foreign visit? 877 thousand hryvnia ", - the oppositionist noted.

                http://hvylya.org/news/exclusive/odin-den-soderzhanija-janukovicha-stoit-1-mln-3
                60-tys-grn.html
              2. Akim
                Akim 26 October 2013 20: 37
                +1
                Quote: MG42
                There is no smoke without fire, TBI is just most of all our power and presses

                He stopped believing, after several stories. Not that it's not true. It’s just that they are presented in a hyper-printed version.
                As for the documents, they said B WAS seen or NO. I would have had enough.
              3. MG42
                MG42 26 October 2013 22: 01
                +4
                Quote: Akim
                It’s just that they are presented in a hyper-printed version.

                Yes, normally you need to have several. sources, they had a good footage
                Here is Yanukovych's pearl about freedom of speech and envy >>
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 26 October 2013 20: 22
          +4
          Quote: MG42
          And why did he need a helicopter

          Well, Lukashenko has it, and he needs it (1), however, they use it for different purposes. Well, if you have to urgently drape (2). Given the accuracy of our missiles, they’re unlikely to be hit.
          But about the "golden toilet" - I doubt it. This duck is for the "warm-up", which was launched by the opposition.
          1. MG42
            MG42 26 October 2013 20: 34
            +3
            Quote: Egoza
            But about the "golden toilet" - I doubt it. This duck is for the "warm-up", which was launched by the opposition.


            A photo has appeared on the Internet, taken by one of the builders using a mobile phone at the main facility "Mezhyhirya" - in a five-story mansion built using the technology of the Finnish company "Honka".

            The swan-shaped faucet is gilded, handmade, Ukrainian Pravda reports.

            Now swan faucets are very relevant in Italy and Spain, which are trendsetters in home decor.

            As you can see in the photo, the faucet is made in the classical style, gilded taps, with large Swarovski crystals. Similar faucets can be found in the catalog from the Spanish manufacturer of luxury plumbing manufacturer Bronces Mestre. Price fluctuates from 2 to 4 thousand euros.

            http://mignews.com.ua/ru/articles/77514.html

            Gilding or gold below on the landing stage?
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 October 2013 20: 49
            +1
            Gilding. It costs not much more expensive chrome analogues. Specifically, this is a Spanish mixer. It costs around 80 tr
          3. MG42
            MG42 26 October 2013 20: 57
            +3
            Quote: Spade
            Gilding. It costs not much more expensive chrome analogues. Specifically, this is a Spanish mixer. It costs around 80 tr

            Understand plumbing? And here how much is the toilet? At least about ..
          4. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 October 2013 21: 21
            +3
            This is not in the know. In general, gilded is not more expensive than the mixer, 80-100 tr. Specifically, in the photo, the main expenses most likely went to the tile.
            This is all elite plumbing, there is a kooky sea. A steep wooden bathroom for 120 tr stands, often more expensive than gilded.
            A toilet bowl with a newspaper cover costs 70 tr.
          5. MG42
            MG42 26 October 2013 21: 31
            +3
            Quote: Spade
            This is not in the know

            The toilet bowl in the photo above +5 000 000 US $ ..
          6. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 October 2013 21: 32
            +3
            Then you understand what’s the matter, any room designer will tell you that this is all-quiche, bad taste; that firms are creating it more as a demonstrator of their technology. Here is the same Spanish faucet whose photo you posted. The vast majority of faucets are purchased not with gilding, but from bronze or brass, in Europe it is considered cooler.
          7. MG42
            MG42 26 October 2013 21: 47
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            You understand what’s the matter, any room designer will tell you that it’s all kitsch, bad taste

            No, I don’t understand, all the more this is a design project, so it’s not any designer, you’re not a designer, but a tanker! wassat
            Quote: Spade
            The vast majority of faucets are purchased not with gilding, but from bronze or brass, in Europe it is considered cooler.

            Since when is brass steeper than gilding? laughing laughing laughing I’m just doing repairs so I don’t need to ship the noodles, go to any flea market there are all kinds of brass gadgets, lock nuts, couplings, etc. for pipes
            In designer stores there are copper pipes there gives a good surroundings
            And in the photo there is pure gold and not only the toilet bowl, but also the toilet paper bin next to it ..
          8. Akim
            Akim 26 October 2013 21: 58
            0
            Quote: MG42
            And in the photo there is pure gold and not only the toilet bowl, but also the toilet paper bin next to it ..

            And put a webcam so that everyone can see on-line how you sulk there. And what then to install it and not to brag?
          9. ATATA
            ATATA 27 October 2013 15: 38
            0
            Quote: MG42
            And in the photo there is pure gold and not only the toilet bowl, but also the toilet paper bin next to it ..

            Is it interesting that while it is pouting on it, is it the same gold?
            And if so, where is the sample on it? laughing
          10. MG42
            MG42 27 October 2013 21: 21
            0
            Quote: ATATA
            Is it interesting that while it is pouting on it, is it the same gold?
            And if so, where is the sample on it?

            Where is the sample at the 5th point? wassat
            I think that such rich people use all the best pure gold 999, and I will also clarify in this photo the tiles on the wall and on the floor are also pure gold, mere mortals can sit on this toilet, except by going into a luxurious toilet with an elite design like this <plumber> >>



            But it can be even cooler than this one >>> here is a toilet bowl made of pure platinum strewn with many diamonds >>
  • Akim
    Akim 26 October 2013 20: 04
    0
    Quote: MG42
    Lemon hryvnia per day for the maintenance of Yanukovych, plus his security <DUSY>

    Have you seen the statements?
  • Egoza
    Egoza 26 October 2013 20: 12
    +6
    Quote: MG42
    The people hate him fiercely for the "shredded life", and you praise this damn even words.

    And I liked it....
    Yanukovych’s plan to play thimbles with Putin has failed, experts
    Viktor Shestakov (political observer):
    “The example of Armenia shows that Vladimir Vladimirovich (Putin) knows the“ magic word that returns to the fold ”... Yanukovych was invited to watch and listen. Even the chic “geopolitical performance” was designed, including, for the Ukrainian president. However, it seems to me personally that all consultations have already been held. Kiev was made clear to all the risks and outlined the prospects, however, while the Ukrainian leadership behaves like a bazaar trader, trying to calculate two customers at once. This is also understood in the Kremlin, which is not yet ready for a new strategy, which is hoped by the entire Russian and Russian-oriented population of Ukraine. You will not envy Yanukovych - there’s a dead end ahead, and the gate closes behind. Moreover, inside Ukraine its real rating is not higher than the plinth, so - for what they fought ... "
    Oleg Soskin (professor, chairman of the Ukrainian National Conservative Party):
    “The scorched field around Yanukovych is increasing. The next step in his sterilization was that Putin did not want to meet with him during Yanukovych’s trip to Minsk on October 24-25 to an expanded meeting of the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council. Yanukovych’s plan to play with Enakiev’s thimbles with Putin seems to have failed completely. Putin said that if Ukraine signs the Association Agreement with the EU, Ukraine’s entry into the Customs Union of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan will become impossible, and these countries will reserve the right to take protective measures ... If Ukraine signs the Association Agreement with the EU, it will a single customs tariff has been introduced by Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan with appropriate procedures that make it impossible for Ukrainian goods to enter these countries.
    http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/238266
  • avt
    avt 26 October 2013 11: 22
    13
    Quote: zmey_gadukin
    I can’t imagine a situation where a turbine blade made in Ukraine at a RUSSIAN factory cannot get to the customer in Russia ... absurdity.

    request He who has ears, let him hear, the GDP said quite specifically how it will flatten, they will remove quotas for the supply of products, in particular for everything that is less than 60-70% of Western components, and is not produced in Ukraine, that is, for a "screwdriver" .Well, the duties will be the same as for all goods in the WTO. If you want it like in the EU, it means it will be like with the EU countries, that is, no preferences, quotas, benefits. There is no absurdity, everything is according to the laws of "civilized states" and within the framework of their legislative procedures. That actually in Ukraine and wanted. Well, what claims then again? Another imperial oppression? Wait, you will try to expand into the EU, you will not get it yet.
    1. Akim
      Akim 26 October 2013 11: 54
      0
      Quote: avt
      in particular, everything that is less than 60-70% consists of Western components, and is not produced in Ukraine

      Trolleybuses, buses, trams? That you do not export them from us.
      1. Akim
        Akim 27 October 2013 15: 19
        +3
        Quote: Akim
        Trolleybuses, buses, trams?

        Evolution of trolleybuses from Yuzhmash.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 11: 39
    +4
    Quote: zmey_gadukin
    about why you can’t allow to the Russian market EXACTLY those goods that are 100% made in Ukraine?

    Who will not let them go? Just duties on these goods will be completely different
    1. Akim
      Akim 26 October 2013 11: 58
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Who will not let them go? Just duties on these goods will be completely different

      ZAZ Forza. he is Cherry Bonus 60% Ukrainian, but goes to Russia for export. It turns out that we can cooperate with China, but not with Europe?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 14: 20
        +5
        Quote: Akim
        ZAZ Forza. he is Cherry Bonus 60% Ukrainian, but goes to Russia for export. It turns out that we can cooperate with China, but not with Europe?

        How difficult it is to talk with a person who does not hear, does not want to listen, and does not want to know.
  • ultra
    ultra 26 October 2013 11: 53
    +3
    Quote: zmey_gadukin
    Why can’t you allow ONLY ONLY those goods that are made in Ukraine at 100%?

    How to determine it? I pasted the tags, replaced the packaging and that's it! "Made in Ukraine"!
    1. Akim
      Akim 26 October 2013 12: 11
      0
      Quote: ultra
      How to determine this?

      Amateur.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 26 October 2013 12: 50
        -4
        Quote: Akim
        Amateur.

        I hold)))
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 26 October 2013 15: 50
        +4
        Quote: Akim
        Quote: ultra
        How to determine this?

        Amateur.
        But in vain so easily, in one motion. Most of the assortment of rubber-plastic parts of the VAZ assortment, and most foreign cars, by the way, sold in the Crimea and in the south of Ukraine, are made ... on a couple of general-purpose machine tools in ... a suburb of Simferopol. And I will not say that they are significantly worse in quality. They did it soundly, he helped mold to finish lol
        1. Akim
          Akim 26 October 2013 16: 01
          0
          Quote: Misantrop
          Most of the assortment of rubber-plastic parts of the VAZ assortment, and most foreign cars, by the way, sold in the Crimea and in the south of Ukraine, are made

          Yes, I collect Cherry in Ilyichevsk. But nobody writes there "Broken in Ukraine".
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 26 October 2013 20: 27
            +4
            Quote: Akim
            Yes, I collect Cherry in Ilyichevsk. But nobody writes there "Broken in Ukraine".

            You collect and who sells? Are you ready to vouch for the seller? I did this because during the August inspections, after all, Samsung was identified with the label "Made in Ukraine", and when it was dismantled, it was "Made in Taiwan." Or wagons with hosiery. Nobody knew that they would be counted. And in each car there is a couple of thousand more than indicated in the declaration. From here we dance
            1. Akim
              Akim 26 October 2013 20: 43
              +1
              Quote: Egoza
              I did it because during the August inspections, after all, Samsung was revealed with the leyuy "made in Ukraine", but when it was dismantled - "made in Taiwan."

              For the first time I hear that Samsung would collect from us. That's why probably checked. What about cherry. A friend bought his wife Cuckoo (QQ). Everyone knows that the nuts are bolted to the wheels in Ilyichevsk and no one calls the car Ukrainian.
      3. ultra
        ultra 27 October 2013 01: 40
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        Amateur.

        I myself am a witness of this how not so long ago we had Chinese goods packed and the packaging was "Made in Russia". The finished equipment was imported under the guise of components! Now the shop has been closed!
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 October 2013 06: 41
          +1
          Quote: ultra
          we were packed with Chinese goods and the packaging was "Made in Russia". The finished equipment was imported under the guise of components

          Any relevant service knows the degree of localization of production in the territory of another state and the corresponding differences in the technological scheme. If we allow household appliances or cars, it will not be difficult to identify, then socks, toilet paper, porcelain, etc., only through the examination of a selective batch. Sometimes intermediary enterprises can show a bad conscience and glue the labels of the left product, in a thirst for unnecessary profit, faking it as a Ukrainian manufacturer. Or on the territory of Russia itself. But all this is manifested and revealed very quickly.
          Now the manufacturer is trying to directly cooperate with the buyer, in order to avoid the rotten link in the scheme.
  • Rif
    Rif 26 October 2013 15: 33
    +5
    "... if Ukraine signs an association with the EU, Russia will close access to Ukrainian goods, so that there would be no transit." - not "access to Ukrainian goods", but duty-free or with low duties compared to goods from the EU, no one will close the border, there will be high duties and a thorough check at customs, like in August, just.
    1. Akim
      Akim 26 October 2013 15: 46
      -2
      Quote: Rif
      if Ukraine signs an association with the EU, Russia will block access to Ukrainian goods

      Yeah For the first time. Then everything normalizes. The shock will pass.
      1. ultra
        ultra 27 October 2013 01: 45
        +2
        the amateur is about you! You generally know that there are customs duties with Ukraine, at the moment we have a free trade zone and with the EU there is no, and accordingly if Ukraine signs an association agreement with the EU all this customs idyll will be covered with a copper basin!
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 October 2013 06: 46
          -1
          Yes, tired of these scarecrows, about the direct transit flow of third-rate European goods. They intimidate you like that, and since our layman also watches Russian channels, he too. All technical procedures have long been resolved.
  • Andrey KZ
    Andrey KZ 26 October 2013 10: 24
    +5
    The alternate airfield is certainly good, but Europe will not allow building its own "airfield", that is the problem.
  • Migari
    Migari 26 October 2013 10: 27
    +3
    We need the integration of the countries of the former Union, we have a lot in common, and our ties are stronger than with any country outside the USSR, including economic ones, each country itself must decide whether or not to join it. And who does not need independence, let Brussels delegate it, there they will think and decide for them.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 26 October 2013 10: 28
    -8
    Many experts perceive the Putin concept of the Customs Union as a new attempt to expand Russian influence in the post-Soviet space by reanimating the idea of ​​economic and political integration. Roughly speaking, if the creation of the CIS became a kind of legal framework for the collapse of the USSR, then, according to most experts, the Customs Union should be a new attempt to reanimate the integration union of the former Soviet states ..... on the one hand, it’s good, but that’s what will then be behind this a sign ... restriction of sovereignty ... rich countries will not agree to this, primarily Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan .... but to small states (Armenia, Kyrgyzstan) - everything is a light bulb ... if you could get free then more money ...
    and besides, if they want to see the infusions, then first of all to help Armenia regain the occupied ... what kind of alliance with the aggressor .. there wasn’t enough to trade with them yet ... who needs their dramas ... falling in price ...
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 26 October 2013 10: 45
      +7
      Quote: smersh70
      rich countries will not agree, primarily Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan.

      Well, Kazakhstan has already agreed to a lot.
      And who do not agree, you don’t need to pull the passive ballast behind you ...
      Here the question is individual in each case.
      And Old Man has already begun to sing: "sovereignty is not an icon ...", and all EU countries have sung this song for a long time. (recall, for example, how, spitting on diplomacy, Snowden was caught "with the whole bazaar", by order of the United States wink )
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 26 October 2013 11: 16
        +5
        Quote: Alekseev
        Well, Kazakhstan has already agreed to a lot.


        In fact, everything rests only on Elbasy. laughing
        And recent events show that even his patience has its limits.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 26 October 2013 14: 55
          0
          Quote: Zymran
          everything rests only on Elbasy.

          And who is Elbasy? wink
          And what is so impinging on his patience? what
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 26 October 2013 18: 25
            +1
            This is our dear and beloved president, leader of the nation, and so on and so forth ... laughing

            Quote: Alekseev
            And what is so impinging on his patience? what


            http://news.nur.kz/287458.html
    2. avt
      avt 26 October 2013 11: 43
      +2
      Quote: smersh70
      Many experts perceive the Putin concept of the Customs Union as a new attempt to expand Russian influence in the post-Soviet space by reanimating the idea of ​​economic and political integration.

      In my opinion, these experts are not too smart, to put it mildly, or nationalistically inclined. TS is just an attempt not to bend and not become a scapegoat during the economic crisis, well, so as not to disappear one by one, the three leaders who are trying to adhere to them have adopted the general rules of the game. Unlike the CIS, where, in general, they tried to do the same, but actually acted according to the precepts of Krylov's fable "Swan, Cancer and Pike". But what you are talking about is EVRAZES, but it’s like walking up to the moon, because when building national states, it’s almost impossible to build real structures over national structures.
      1. ultra
        ultra 27 October 2013 01: 47
        +1
        Quote: avt
        In my opinion, these experts are not too smart

        And in my opinion they are simply engaged! Well, by whom I think everyone understands!
    3. vlad.svargin
      vlad.svargin 26 October 2013 12: 19
      +7
      smersh70 (2)
      Many experts perceive the Putin concept of the Customs Union as a new attempt to expand Russian influence in the post-Soviet space by reanimating the idea of ​​economic and political integration.

      Russia in the USSR did not have such an influence about which representatives of other countries "talk" about. With whom the Georgian fascism was defeated by Dzhugashvili (Stalin); with whom they "cut" the elite herd and were left without meat, they began to destroy their personal economy, sow corn in the north-Ukrainian Khrushchev. Then the country was one and other republics had more privileges than the RSFSR (Russia). The opposite is now being "pushed" by the "offended elite" of these republics (they were not allowed to be "beys").
      Yes, it is necessary to build an alliance but on an equal footing for all without exception, and these are not dreams, such as the "tower of Babel," but the realities of our time. << Together and the dad will master >>. History, and not only of the last century, has shown us the correctness of the decision.
      1. Akim
        Akim 26 October 2013 12: 28
        +1
        Quote: vlad.svargin
        sow corn in the north-Ukrainian Khrushchev

        Khrushchev was Russian. He was born on the territory of the current Kursk region. And his batiks clearly did not bear Ukrainian names.
        1. old rocket man
          old rocket man 26 October 2013 13: 32
          +2
          Quote: Akim
          Quote: vlad.svargin
          sow corn in the north-Ukrainian Khrushchev

          Khrushchev was Russian. He was born on the territory of the current Kursk region. And his batiks clearly did not bear Ukrainian names.

          Well, if you dig deep, then he is a Jew, but do you think that if Katsman was born in Moscow, then he is Russian? laughing
          1. Akim
            Akim 26 October 2013 13: 41
            0
            Quote: Old Rocketman
            what if Katzman was born in Moscow, is he Russian?

            Katzman is Katzman. His same ancestors. Sergey Nikiforovich and further Nikifor Sergeevich generally plowed the land as Misha Gorbachev not in the Ukrainian steppes. Yes, I have more Ukrainian blood! And the fact that he loved Ukraine and grew up on it is a fact. But for this it is not necessary to be a Ukrainian to compose fables.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 26 October 2013 20: 34
        +7
        Quote: vlad.svargin
        Yes, it is necessary to build an alliance but on an equal footing for all without exception, and these are not dreams, such as the "tower of Babel," but the realities of our time.

        "It will be a new, unprecedented state, with a common economy, but a free policy," Wanga said.
        And who does not like the USSR? - The Union of Free Socialist Republics? In my opinion, just right.
    4. PUHACH
      PUHACH 26 October 2013 14: 02
      +1
      Quote: smersh70
      ..who needs their dramas ... falling in price ...

      What about our Belarusian wooden ......... smile
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 26 October 2013 14: 04
        +3
        Quote: PUHACH
        What about our Belarusian wooden ....

        but how do I know .... laughing You know better .... our manats are firmly on their feet .. course-1 euro-1 manat ... good
      2. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 26 October 2013 14: 05
        0
        Quote: PUHACH
        what about our belarusian wooden
        and what is the percentage of inflation for wooden
        1. PUHACH
          PUHACH 26 October 2013 16: 56
          +2
          Belarus ranks first in Europe in terms of inflation (at least somewhere we should be the first) only 10 percent))) As one of our great people said: "Life has become better, life has become more fun"
  • avt
    avt 26 October 2013 10: 35
    +6
    Quote: Semurg
    True, the Russian leadership will probably be categorically against it.

    Naturally. What is the point of economic and political in such a decision? What are the benefits of modern realities? Elbasy overstrained with the pan-Turkic idea and wants Russia to build a great Turan? The campaign was branded. In economic terms, we don’t need anything from the Turks, even with the support of the construction of the South Stream. Turkey really everyone keeps in the distance, the same Europe. In addition, even if one of the former Soviet people thinks that in the great Turan they will be equal to the Ottomans, so these are illusions similar to those of Europe in Ukraine. Never will Nazarbayev and his successors, and others in the post-Soviet space, stand next to Erdogan. Only near the sultan’s shoe, not even the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee. But if you are ready to panic the pan-Turkic idea - free will, saved paradise.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 26 October 2013 11: 11
      +4
      Quote: avt
      Quote: Semurg
      True, the Russian leadership will probably be categorically against it.

      Naturally. What is the point of economic and political in such a decision? What are the benefits of modern realities? Elbasy overstrained with the pan-Turkic idea and wants Russia to build a great Turan? The campaign was branded. In economic terms, we don’t need anything from the Turks, even with the support of the construction of the South Stream. Turkey really everyone keeps in the distance, the same Europe. In addition, even if one of the former Soviet people thinks that in the great Turan they will be equal to the Ottomans, so these are illusions similar to those of Europe in Ukraine. Never will Nazarbayev and his successors, and others in the post-Soviet space, stand next to Erdogan. Only near the sultan’s shoe, not even the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee. But if you are ready to panic the pan-Turkic idea - free will, saved paradise.

      break the pattern first went laughing
      1. avt
        avt 26 October 2013 11: 27
        +2
        Quote: Semurg
        break the pattern first went

        request Zhidenko, upset, expecting more and more intelligible. negative I didn’t set a minus, I hope you will gather your thoughts and give out something interesting.
    2. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 26 October 2013 12: 05
      +2
      Quote: avt
      Nazarbayev and his successors, well, others in the post-Soviet space, will never stand next to Erdogan

      Nazarbayev began to openly lobby Turkey’s accession to the Customs Union, while Erdogan probably knows about Armenia’s entry there. If Turkey and Armenia will have to open the Armenian-Turkish border in the Customs Union, and a Turkish shepherd who was lost there has recently been shot. But what about the interests of Azerbaijan, because Turkey is its ally, what kind of intrigue, I will be grateful to the one who will explain.
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 26 October 2013 12: 07
        11
        I think this is a kind of trolling of Nazarbayev in response to Putin’s offer to admit Syria to the CU. Like you want Syria, and we will take Turkey.
        1. alone
          alone 26 October 2013 18: 39
          +4
          While some will look at others as a trifle, there will be no alliances.
          in order to create a good and high-quality union, it is necessary that all members of the union have equal and undeniable rights.!
          1. avt
            avt 26 October 2013 20: 11
            +2
            Quote: lonely
            in order to create a good and high-quality union, it is necessary that all members of the union have equal and undeniable rights.!

            Who with whom? ! laughing No, that's enough for us the CIS with its "equality". Can we still fall apart for "equality"? Why should we become "equal" with the objects of politics, and not subjects? You will somehow become "equal" in some way, then not only Russia will reckon with you, but just sit and groan "equal rights" , otherwise we will not join the "union", already tired of hearing these horror stories and groans about imperstvo. Try to come to terms with the idea that all those who demand "equality" from the former Soviet republics implicitly understand the precariousness of their statehood, and even more so when they are looking for "indisputable rights" - another confirmation of the impossibility to cope with real or expected challenges on their own. if you do not want to be a trifle, try to become a value in something especially noticed by the participants of the Great Game, well, of course, drawing a family tree from Iskender Macedoni there, Genghis Khan.
            1. alone
              alone 26 October 2013 22: 49
              0
              I don’t know what Genghis Khan, Macedonian has to do with it. Here because of such thoughts as you and you don’t see a serious union. Why are you better than us? The same mess and corruption, moreover in scale than our ruined production and economy. Thief billionaires-oligarchs .. we need your thieves, we’ll have enough of our throats. Before we try to create an alliance and become strong, restore order in our country. Why do we need to feed any parasites at our own expense? Do you want to feed, feed! but please, without us!
              1. avt
                avt 27 October 2013 10: 38
                0
                Quote: lonely
                because of thoughts like yours and not see a grave union

                "Serious union" what is this? Renaming the CIS or creating another talking shop club to scratch the ears of the new, great and equal with words? In addition to incantations about this alliance and demands to recognize some kind of "equality", there is nothing concrete, and there will not be. Enough already, have eaten the CIS and now the "union state" at least formulate what you yourself mean by this "union", and then these intellectual quirks ala the old woman from the tale of the goldfish, when you can only hear the proposal - "you fool, you fool, go back to the fish as soon as possible .." and come up with something new for us, tired.
                Quote: lonely
                .Before we try to create a union and become strong, restore order in our country. Why do we need to feed any parasites at our own expense? Do you want to feed, feed!

                laughing Confused nothing? While we are really feeding the parasites, you are not aisles, as you rightly noted
                Quote: lonely
                but please, without us!

                It’s been a long time without you, for 22 years as the USSR did not exist, capitalism with all its grimaces, but nothing, we digest it, well, alone or with someone else, this is not particularly important, at least for us.
                1. alone
                  alone 27 October 2013 13: 01
                  0
                  hi good luck in feeding parasites and lazy people !!
      2. scientist
        scientist 27 October 2013 14: 36
        +2
        It’s unfortunate, but so far no big deal. For example, recently, Kazakh border guards shot Russian poachers in the Caspian. Obviously, the offense does not have statehood or nationality. But having united with it is easier to fight, especially against transnational and various kinds of provocateurs, and there will be more trust between countries.
  • dredge
    dredge 26 October 2013 10: 40
    +1
    As Vova and Obama decide, so it will be. The recent scandal with wiretapping European leaders is not in vain started. They cut off unnecessary questions about joining the EU. Here Amers have a fine calculation, anyway.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 26 October 2013 10: 51
      +4
      I'm afraid of GDP and Obama is not the last resort in these matters
      1. dredge
        dredge 26 October 2013 11: 00
        +1
        But I’m thinking about what exactly is in my opinion. The market is driving.
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 26 October 2013 11: 07
          +3
          The market is a utopia, he doesn’t steer a fig, that in the USA, that in Europe everything is on state subsidies. The planned economy is the future
  • Alyoha
    Alyoha 26 October 2013 10: 44
    0
    It is a pity that when the svidomyye destroy their economy and industry from the introduction of technical regulations, they will again "sing" about the brotherhood. Our country will again have to rebuild their industry, and not themselves. In the USSR, no one lived better than Svidoms, but they still had little. They built everything for them, and they "threw" us like rats, they also "squeezed" Donbass and Crimea. I understand, of course, that not all Ukrainian people are svidomye, traitors, prostitutes, drug addicts and alcoholics, but they are the majority. We need to show them that they are to blame for all (practically) their troubles. It is necessary for our government to leave this under-state to starve for a couple of years (namely, the western territories after the collapse of their economy), what would be deposited in the head of the Bender people of the svidomes, that everything they had was from us and without handouts to Russia they would very soon die from the cold and hunger. Although svidomye rats and as soon as a bit easier they will again begin to pull the "blanket" on themselves. In general, there is a saying: when a svidomyj Jew was born, he cried.
  • nnnnnn
    nnnnnn 26 October 2013 10: 56
    10
    Minsk. 24.10.2013
    EEC meeting.

    Nazarbayev N.A. :

    "There is an EXPRESS POLITIZATION of the work in the commission. The scattering of funds and efforts to deepen integration processes. Therefore, the commission must not be allowed to violate the principles of the work regulations. Often the commission documents for approval are repeated one day before a decision is made.
    And I cannot but note that the Russian members of the collegium participate in the meeting of the government of the Russian Federation, receive relevant instructions, although according to our agreement the commission, the collegium members are not accountable to any of our governments.
    To complete work on what we have already signed contracts. We have already signed the transportation of oil and gas - it is not decided, railway. tariffs are not decided, electricity is not solved! Let's focus on this ?! We signed, did we agree ?! Not fulfilling what we signed to start on ... well, what drives us ?! There is time ... "
    1. avt
      avt 26 October 2013 13: 01
      +2
      Quote: nnnnnn
      And I cannot but note that the Russian members of the collegium are taking part in a meeting of the government of the Russian Federation, they are receiving relevant instructions

      Ayayah, what a surprise! It turns out that officials are accountable to the leadership and carry out his instructions. Is it really not so in Kazakhstan, and each in itself! ??
      Quote: nnnnnn
      although according to our agreement, the commission, board members are not accountable to any of our governments.

      And what exactly did he want? So right away, by signing one treaty, a supranational body will appear, and will it also indicate to national governments? The poor man was longed for by the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee and this after 22 years of building an independent national state. Well, with the desire to complete the work on the already signed agreements, I completely agree with Nazarbayev, here you really need to work long and hard and run ahead of the engine is not reasonable, here he is right, with one addition - there is time, but not enough. And without fulfilling what they signed and not resolving the problems that have arisen, it makes no sense to sculpt frantically new designs. Alas, we can clearly trace the path we have already traveled to the CIS, practically running in a circle.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 26 October 2013 11: 23
    +5
    It can be seen that Bandera and the EU have tightly "squeezed" Yanukovych in their "embrace" that he is dragging himself to the EU as if to slaughter. He clearly understands what Ukraine will turn into, perhaps even social explosions will follow, as in Greece, when everything "tighter" and "tighter", at the request of the West, will have to "TIGHTEN THE BELT", but rather a BLOW, not the belt ...
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 26 October 2013 11: 33
      +5
      And he went to the polls with plans for integration with Russia
      1. Akim
        Akim 26 October 2013 12: 07
        -4
        Quote: ivshubarin
        for integration with Russia

        And what does integration mean in your understanding? That is all. as for Russia in his election program:
        I will restore friendly and mutually beneficial relations with the Russian Federation, the CIS countries, and ensure strategic partnership with the US, EU, and the G-XNUMX countries.

        http://www.cvk.gov.ua/pls/vp2010/WP009?PT021F01=11&PT001F01=700
      2. alone
        alone 26 October 2013 18: 40
        +1
        you can say anything in the elections))) and the reality is completely different.
    2. Makarov
      Makarov 26 October 2013 16: 51
      +3
      You somehow strange understand the size and scale of the social policy of Ukraine ... if you think that its current level is high, then this is an erroneous opinion ...
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 26 October 2013 20: 39
        +3
        Quote: Makarov
        You somehow strange understand the size and scale of social policy of Ukraine.

        Social politics? And this, excuse me, where?
        The mayor of Rava-Russian promises a hunger riot
        Due to the underfunding of Rava-Ruska, which is located on the border between Ukraine and Poland, there is already nothing to pay with the workers of the social sphere, and the mayor of the city promises rallies and "hunger riots". This was announced by the mayor of Rava-Russkaya, Irina Vereshchuk.
        "If our appeals to the Government do not help, but for now we have applied and nothing changes, then we will start on strike. There will be just a hunger riot on the border between Ukraine and Poland before signing an association agreement with the EU. Now we will create a strike committee and decide how this strike will look so that later there will be no persecution by the authorities towards the strikers, "Vereshchuk noted.
        She said that in her city, workers are desperate for lack of wages. "Already on Monday, our cleaners stop cleaning the city, there will be no garbage taken out - there is nothing to pay with. Now imagine how the transit city through which Europeans enter Ukraine will look like, a week before the signing of the Agreement with the EU," said the mayor of Rava-Russka.
        Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-129844.html#title
        1. Makarov
          Makarov 28 October 2013 14: 19
          +1
          by "social policy" I basically meant a loan from the IMF to support the government's social programs: unemployment and payments for newborns ....

          At the expense of the city ... frankly speaking, I do not care about saliva (sorry) ... the mayor should be a manager, if he (she) does not know how, this is his (her) problem and those who chose him (her) (we only they are honestly choosing mayors), they have a factory in the city - develop new reinforced concrete branded sleepers (new use of processed wood, a new furniture workshop with subsequent re-planning of the factory for a furniture factory, lumber production ... etc.) and work on, wood 50 years no longer apply, what else did they expect? ... and I will say subsidies. The subsidized areas live only on handouts, and they try to teach those who plow to live using their Bandera and other bastards ... so this is a problem of the brainless and mismanaged city leadership ... social policy is completely different ....
  • Andrey KZ
    Andrey KZ 26 October 2013 11: 24
    +9
    Meanwhile, the United States is not tired of putting sticks in the wheels of the Customs Union
    The Head of State said this at a meeting of the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council in Minsk.

    "We have now hit the wall. We walked in the channel with Russia, maintaining its level of protection, and now we have stood up. (...) The only opportunity is to create a Russian-Kazakh delegation together with the EU and America, which does not let us into the WTO, negotiate, "the President of Kazakhstan said. Nazarbayev also explained that when Kazakhstan joins the WTO, according to the level of protection offered by the United States, Kazakhstan will not be able to work in the Customs Union. “Therefore, we need to create a group together with Russia and conduct negotiations on changing the level of protection of Kazakhstan upon joining the WTO,” the Head of State noted.

    More details: http://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/nazarbaev-predlojil-rossii-vesti-sovmestnyi

    e-peregovoryi-vstupleniyu-kazahstana-244245 /
    Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to Tengrinews.kz
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 26 October 2013 11: 36
      -3
      The article deals with the entry of Kazakhstan into the WTO.
      Well, why go in the wake of Russia and "maintain its level of protection"? It was necessary to join the WTO, and then, if it was so nailed, then to the CU, on more favorable terms for us.

      Quote: Andrey KZ
      Therefore, we need to create a group with Russia and negotiate to change the level of protection of Kazakhstan upon entry into the WTO


      Yeah. Wangyu another deflection under the Russian Federation and multi-million losses.
      1. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ 26 October 2013 11: 52
        11
        Quote: Zymran
        another deflection under the Russian Federation and multimillion-dollar losses.
        What does this have to do with it? Kazakhstan wants to protect its market and its manufacturer, and I think that is right, and Russia is needed in this matter in order to, so to speak, put pressure on authority.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 26 October 2013 12: 06
          +1
          It reads:

          We are now against a wall. We walked in the wake with Russia, supporting its level of protection, and now we are up


          Nazarbayev also explained that when Kazakhstan joins the WTO according to the level of protection offered by the USA, Kazakhstan will not be able to work in the Customs Union


          As can be seen from the first quote, Kazakhstan followed the path of the Russian Federation, supporting its manufacturer and its market, and because of this did not enter the WTO.
          1. Andrey KZ
            Andrey KZ 26 October 2013 12: 35
            +6
            Quote: Zymran
            As can be seen from the first quote, Kazakhstan followed the path of the Russian Federation, supporting its manufacturer and its market, and because of this did not enter the WTO.
            And if you look from the other side, we have created a TS, and now we jointly bargain for ourselves more favorable conditions in the WTO. P.S. hi
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 14: 30
              0
              Quote: Andrey KZ
              I interrupted your minus with my plus.

              Did not interrupt
            2. Zymran
              Zymran 26 October 2013 18: 18
              +3
              I answered below. For cons do not worry. However, I always plus you. drinks
          2. avt
            avt 26 October 2013 13: 21
            +4
            Quote: Zymran
            As can be seen from the first quote, Kazakhstan followed the path of the Russian Federation, supporting its manufacturer and its market, and because of this did not enter the WTO.

            Huh? But according to the text, Nazarbayev seems to want to be in the WTO on the terms of about the same as Russia, and now someone big in the WTO does not allow it
            Quote: Zymran
            Nazarbayev also explained that when Kazakhstan joins the WTO according to the level of protection offered by the United States,

            No? Naturally, under the conditions proposed by the USA
            Quote: Zymran
            Kazakhstan will not be able to work in the Customs Union

            and correspondingly
            Quote: Andrey KZ
            “Therefore, we need to create a group together with Russia and conduct negotiations on changing the level of protection of Kazakhstan upon joining the WTO,” the Head of State noted.

            Well, where is the "evil machinations of the Impertsy" here that infringe upon Kzakhstan TSom so that it does not join the WTO? Actually, your leader asked for help in plain text, or is it also a national humiliation of the Kazakhs by Russia, which dragged the "gullible" Kazakhs on a string? In general, it is interesting that you read, quote, pull the necessary out of context and draw conclusions for your leader.
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 26 October 2013 18: 17
              +3
              Here we look at the full text on the ITAR-TASS website

              "We completely walked in the fairway of Russia. Kazakhstan could already enter in the WTO but supporting the level of protection of Russia, we got up, "Nazarbayev said today at a meeting of the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council.
              According to him, this is important for Kazakhstan and these issues also concern Belarus. "I propose, and this is the only opportunity for the Russian and Kazakh delegations, to hold negotiations with the European Union and the Americans, who do not let us into the WTO," Nazarbayev said. He noted that the level of protection that the Americans insist on for Kazakhstan's entry into the WTO today does not allow the republic to work in the Customs Union.

              http://www.itar-tass.com/c13/924797.html

              The text shows that we could have joined the WTO even earlier, but did not, because we caved in to Moscow.
              1. Galinanp
                Galinanp 27 October 2013 19: 33
                +2
                Zymran KZ Yesterday, 18:17
                You are wrong in your opinion. At one time, Nazarbayev said that Kazakhstan will join the WTO in the Russian package of conditions for this organization, because both states are connected by a single economic union. After Russia joined the WTO, because almost all the major world players in this field agreed on all the conditions, after a short time, the measurement went on for months, Kazakhstan was supposed to join the WTO. But here the western countries staged a bagpipe, and then slowly began to change the conditions for Kazakhstan to literally enslaving, especially in the field of agriculture. Naturally, such conditions are unacceptable for Kazakhstan, in the light of which Nazarbayev suggested that Russia intervene in this process, in this case, the political weight of Russia is required. In the case of persistence of the West, Russia can apply such a technique as raising the issue of its membership in the WTO, which in the current circumstances will be negative for the global economic situation.
                1. Andrey KZ
                  Andrey KZ 27 October 2013 20: 33
                  +5
                  Plus to you. Here I am convinced that Russia MUST intervene, otherwise why all this fuss with the CU if we do not harness each other?
                2. Zymran
                  Zymran 27 October 2013 20: 38
                  +2
                  Quote: GalinaNP
                  . Nazarbayev once said that Kazakhstan would join the WTO in the Russian package of conditions for this organization, because both states are connected by a single economic union.


                  This is after entering the vehicle. Nazarbayev talked about the fact that he could join the WTO even earlier than the Customs Union, but he supported the Russian level of protection.

                  Quote: GalinaNP
                  But here the western countries staged a bagpipe, and then slowly began to change the conditions for Kazakhstan to literally enslaving, especially in the field of agriculture.


                  Do you have sources confirming your words? Shuvalov speaks about duties on airplanes, cars and agricultural. technique.
              2. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny 28 October 2013 09: 36
                +3
                In the early 2000s, I worked (for a short time) in the Ministry of Industry in the Department for WTO Accession in a very modest position. Gigantic work was done, in general it was originally planned that we would enter there before Russia, almost everything was prepared. However, then the theme of the Customs Union began, and all the work of the department went to waste. Everything had to be done anew, adjusting to the interests of the Customs Union (first of all, to protect Russian interests in front of the WTO countries). Our position deteriorated in general, but nonetheless, we could survive it, because the creation of the vehicle is for us a higher priority than the WTO. But it would be foolish not to join the WTO, in which almost all countries of the world are located. They should have entered the WTO in conjunction with Kazakhstan-Russia at the same time. But it so happened that Russia entered, and Kazakhstan was stopped, saying that Kazakhstan should reduce its requirements for protecting its own market.
                In fact, they are not interested in the economy in this case, the actions of some WTO members in the person of the USA and the EU are pure politics. This is a stick in the wheel of the Customs Union and Kazakh-Russian economic relations.
                1. Galinanp
                  Galinanp 28 October 2013 10: 08
                  +3
                  Marek Rozny (5) Today, 09:36
                  Done agree with you. The problem of Kazakhstan’s accession to the WTO lies only in the political field. Exposing additionally obviously unacceptable conditions for Kazakhstan is just one of the tricks. A kind of revenge of the West to Kazakhstan for independence in its actions. Well, of course, a dirty trick in relation to the Customs Union.
                2. Zymran
                  Zymran 28 October 2013 10: 59
                  0
                  So I’m saying, they caved in under the Russian Federation - they received losses, a drop in living standards and hemorrhoids with entry into the WTO.

                  Quote: Marek Rozny
                  because the creation of the vehicle is for us a higher priority than the WTO.


                  And this is really great stupidity.
            2. Zymran
              Zymran 26 October 2013 18: 38
              +2
              Here are

              http://www.kp.ru/online/news/1570090/

              First Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Igor Shuvalov believes that the European Union and the Americans are trying to get their benefits in the negotiations on Kazakhstan’s accession to the WTO.

              “In negotiations with Kazakhstan, the EU and the US want to receive what they did not receive during our negotiations,” he said.

              Thus, in his opinion, Kazakhstan was in the role of a "hostage" through which the West is negotiating with Russia.

              - And where Russia didn’t agree on the most sensitive positions - planes, helicopters, agricultural machinery, cars, and we agreed with the EU and the USA on the level of customs protection. Now the western partners are telling Kazakhstan: let’s include all these sensitive positions in the general formula, reduce the level of customs and tariff protection proportionally, ”ITAR-TASS quoted Shuvalov as saying.


              As we can see, Kazakhstan caved in to the requirements of the Russian Federation and imposed protective duties on normal cars, agricultural machinery and aircraft. Because of this, the states put obstacles to joining the WTO.
              1. Andrey KZ
                Andrey KZ 27 October 2013 11: 05
                +5
                Quote: Zymran
                - And where, in the most sensitive positions, Russia did not agree - planes, helicopters, agricultural machinery, cars,
                These positions (except for airplanes, for now) are also sensitive for Kazakhstan. You know that helicopters, agricultural machinery and cars are also produced in Kazakhstan, so when negotiating with the WTO together with Russia, Kazakhstan defends its interests. I agree that At the moment, the standard of living of the population has slightly decreased (gas prices have risen again), prices have risen to the Russian level, and salaries and pensions are in no hurry to raise them. But you can’t live only today, Kazakhstan has a great future, I’m sure of that. drinks
                1. Zymran
                  Zymran 27 October 2013 11: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: Andrey KZ
                  You know that helicopters, agricultural equipment and cars are also produced in Kazakhstan


                  For some reason, our farmers prefer John Deeres, the auto industry is wheel tightening and body assembly from disassembled sets, and then selling them at inflated prices. The same thing with helicopters.

                  The only thing that should be defended was the interests of our agricultural sector.

                  Quote: Andrey KZ
                  I agree that at the moment, the standard of living of the population has slightly decreased (gas prices have risen again), prices have risen to the Russian level, and salaries and pensions are in no hurry to raise. But you can’t live only today, Kazakhstan has a great future, I’m in sure of that.


                  And I'm more than sure that it will only get worse.
                2. Zymran
                  Zymran 27 October 2013 12: 02
                  +2
                  Andrey, to hell with them with cars and airplanes. Now, look what is happening with the drug market http://zonakz.net/articles/74639
                  1. Andrey KZ
                    Andrey KZ 27 October 2013 13: 27
                    +3
                    Zymran I read it, it's difficult to comment here, the only thing I can say is that the future of the TS will depend on the solution of these and similar issues. In general, it's strange why these fundamental issues of licensing and registration were not resolved "on the shore", before the signing of the TS.
          3. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 14: 29
            +2
            Quote: Zymran

            As can be seen from the first quote, Kazakhstan was following in the wake of the Russian Federation

            Hmm, you yourself read what you yourself posted?
            Quote: Zymran
            As can be seen from the first quote, Kazakhstan followed the path of the Russian Federation, supporting its manufacturer and its market, and because of this did not enter the WTO.

            The United States is doing everything that the vehicle does not exist. In general, why the hell do you want the WTO? We got into it and what did we get?
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 14: 23
        +1
        Quote: Zymran
        , and then if it’s so nailed, then in the TS, on more favorable terms for us.

        The conditions are the same for everyone. For starters, you would at least read something about the rules of the vehicle. One asked him for a link to the documents, but didn’t read all one. He wrote about the same thing as you
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 26 October 2013 18: 13
          +2
          I mean, even when creating the TS, it would be possible to bargain for yourself more favorable conditions.
          1. avt
            avt 26 October 2013 20: 35
            +1
            Quote: Zymran
            I mean, even when creating the TS, it would be possible to bargain for yourself more favorable conditions.

            It is obvious that you write only about what you mean. Despite the fact that both Nazarbayev and Shuvalov say exactly the opposite - the initial conditions for entering the WTO of Kazakhstan were worse, although they could enter faster.
            Quote: Zymran
            As we can see, Kazakhstan caved in to the requirements of the Russian Federation and imposed protective duties on normal cars, agricultural machinery and aircraft. Because of this, the states put obstacles to joining the WTO.

            Is that where Nazarbayev is?
            Quote: Zymran
            - In negotiations with Kazakhstan, the EU and the United States want to receive what they did not receive during our negotiations, -

            Even Shuvalov notes that Kazakhstan simply wanted and wants protection not lower than Russia in the WTO
            Quote: Zymran
            "We were completely in the wake of Russia. Kazakhstan could have already joined the WTO, but having supported the level of protection of Russia, we stood up,"

            Although I wanted, in your terms, to bend to the states and join the much worse for yourself. And now he wants Russia to help push through the entry conditions no worse than Russia, which of course the amers don't need to fuck.
            Quote: Zymran
            "I propose, and this is the only opportunity for the Russian and Kazakh delegations, to hold negotiations with the European Union and the Americans, who do not let us into the WTO," Nazarbayev said.

            Appetite comes with eating.
            Quote: Zymran
            - And where Russia didn’t agree on the most sensitive positions - planes, helicopters, agricultural machinery, cars, and we agreed with the EU and the USA on the level of customs protection. Now the western partners are telling Kazakhstan: let’s include all these sensitive positions in the general formula, reduce the level of customs and tariff protection proportionally, ”Shuvalov quotes
            Well, who is to blame that at first they wanted one thing, but when they saw the opportunity, they sharply wanted it like ours? Although it is natural to hang up your mistakes on Russian chauvinists, this is the basis of any national state - white for black and vice versa.
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 26 October 2013 20: 56
              +4
              Quote: avt
              It is obvious that you write only about what you mean. Despite the fact that both Nazarbayev and Shuvalov say exactly the opposite - the initial conditions for entering the WTO of Kazakhstan were worse, although they could enter faster.


              Where Nazarbayev says the initial conditions for joining the WTO were worse for Kazakhstan? They were worse for the Russian manufacturer of automobiles and agricultural machinery, as well as the aircraft industry. Therefore, Nazarbayev did not go to the WTO, fearing to offend Putin.

              Quote: avt
              Is that where Nazarbayev is?


              "We were completely in the wake of Russia. Kazakhstan could have already joined the WTO, but having supported the level of protection of Russia, we stood up," Nazarbayev said at a meeting of the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council today.

              Quote: avt
              Even Shuvalov notes that Kazakhstan simply wanted and wants protection not lower than Russia in the WTO


              Where does Shuvalov say that Kazakhstan wanted this?

              Quote: avt
              Although I wanted, in your terms, to bend to the states and join the much worse for yourself. And now he wants Russia to help push through the entry conditions no worse than Russia, which of course the amers don't need to fuck.


              Where did you get the idea that low duties on cars, agricultural machinery, and aviation, on which the Americans insisted, are not beneficial for Kazakhstan ??

              Quote: avt
              Well, who is to blame that at first they wanted one thing, but when they saw the opportunity, they sharply wanted it like ours?


              I explain, and Nazer explains that they could join, but supported Russia and did not go to reduce duties, and now we can’t lower them because we are in the CU.

              We were completely in the wake of Russia. Kazakhstan could have already joined the WTO, but having supported the level of protection of Russia, we stood up, "Nazarbayev said today at a meeting of the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council.
              According to him, this is important for Kazakhstan and these issues also concern Belarus. "I propose, and this is the only opportunity for the Russian and Kazakh delegations, to hold negotiations with the European Union and the Americans, who do not let us into the WTO," Nazarbayev said. He noted that the level of protection that the Americans insist on for Kazakhstan's entry into the WTO today does not allow the republic to work in the Customs Union.


              Since they are not allowed into the WTO with high duties, and if you reduce duties, you won’t be able to be a member of the Customs Union, but Nazarbayev asks Russia to separate this issue with the amers, reasonably indicating that Kazakhstan once went in the wake of the Russian Federation regarding duties and now expects that Russia will help resolve this issue with the United States and Europe.

              Although personally, of course, I would like duties to drop to the level of the Customs Union.
              1. avt
                avt 26 October 2013 22: 46
                0
                Campaign is not treated
                Quote: Zymran
                Where does Nazarbayev say that the initial conditions for joining the WTO were worse for Kazakhstan?

                Quote: Zymran
                "We were completely in the wake of Russia. Kazakhstan could have already joined the WTO, but having supported the level of protection of Russia, we stood up," Nazarbayev said at a meeting of the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council today.

                Yeah, what actually depended on Kazakhstan? What he could in the WTO without being a member and how not joining the WTO helped Russia. Yes, it was purple for Russia from the position of Kazakhstan, do not cast a shadow over the fence, this did not affect the course of our negotiating team, and no "protection" and ,, support "Kazakhstan is not here. They just wanted the same thing, so they followed on the move, changing the level of requests. Naturally, the staff are against. Well, now we need to somehow push through the new requirements, so he wants to work together.
                Quote: Zymran
                Since they are not allowed to enter the WTO with high duties, and if the duties are reduced, it will not work to be a member of the Customs Union,

                Yeah, they let Russia in, but poor Kazakhstan is not allowed in. You already start talking about your hatred of the CU and don’t notice.
                1. Zymran
                  Zymran 26 October 2013 23: 05
                  +1
                  Yeah, but what actually depended on Kazakhstan? What could he do in the WTO without being a member and how not joining the WTO helped Russia


                  I explain again. If Kazakhstan agreed with the requirements of the United States on low duties on the aforementioned goods, and on these conditions would have entered the WTO, then by joining the CU, we would not be able to raise them, because this would be contrary to the requirements of the WTO. And this would prevent Russia from filling up our market with its basins and other products of the automobile industry.
                  Therefore, Nazarbayev says that we supported the interests of Russia in the negotiations.

                  Quote: avt
                  .Yes Russia was violet from the position of Kazakhstan, do not put a shadow on the wattle fence, this did not affect any course of our negotiation team


                  Are you reading what I wrote? The position of Kazakhstan did not influence the course of negotiations between Russia and the WTO, because Russia relied on it. But Kazakhstan, in negotiations with the WTO, could not ignore Russia's demands.

                  Quote: avt
                  Yeah, they let Russia in, but poor Kazakhstan is not allowed in. You already start talking about your hatred of the CU and don’t notice.


                  Facespalm. So it’s Shuvalov who directly says that Russia was allowed in and Kazakhstan is not allowed in. Or is he talking about his hatred in the TS?

                  First Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Igor Shuvalov believes that the European Union and the Americans are trying to get their benefits in the negotiations on Kazakhstan’s accession to the WTO.

                  “In negotiations with Kazakhstan, the EU and the US want to receive what they did not receive during our negotiations,” he said.

                  Thus, in his opinion, Kazakhstan was in the role of a "hostage" through which the West is negotiating with Russia.

                  - And where Russia didn’t agree on the most sensitive positions - planes, helicopters, agricultural machinery, cars, and we agreed with the EU and the USA on the level of customs protection. Now the western partners are telling Kazakhstan: let’s include all these sensitive positions in the general formula, reduce the level of customs and tariff protection proportionally, ”ITAR-TASS quoted Shuvalov as saying.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 26 October 2013 12: 09
    +3
    Does Ukraine really not understand that they want to use it for their own purposes and it doesn’t smell of any partnership there. When we no longer have the EU, we will be dictated by the conditions and we will unite for that.
    1. Akim
      Akim 26 October 2013 12: 14
      -4
      Quote: morpogr
      Does Ukraine really not understand that they want to use it for their own purposes and does not smell of any partnership there.

      You know, you can ask such a question on the vehicle.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 October 2013 14: 30
        +1
        Quote: Akim

        You know, you can ask such a question on the vehicle.

        Well, and whom did Russia use? Only specifically in numbers, no blah blah blah
        1. Makarov
          Makarov 26 October 2013 16: 52
          -1
          Ask Lukashenko specifically answer ....
        2. Akim
          Akim 26 October 2013 17: 00
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Well, and whom did Russia use?

          No, it’s all milked by Russia, but it’s so white and fluffy repeat
          Apparently, this is why the Ukrainian oligarchs are not fooled by the Kremlin "on sweet carrots".
    2. old rocket man
      old rocket man 26 October 2013 13: 45
      +2
      Quote: morpogr
      Does Ukraine really not understand that they want to use it for their own purposes and it doesn’t smell of any partnership there. When we no longer have the EU, we will be dictated by the conditions and we will unite for that.


      Or maybe she likes it? Have you not asked such a question?
      Remember the situation, the statement to the police: "my husband is g ... but, - give me my husband back" laughing
  • cezarb95
    cezarb95 26 October 2013 13: 09
    +2
    something seems to me that with the continuation of this situation with Ukraine, I have to fight for it, along with the eastern Ukrainians, by analogy with the wars of Ser. 17th century on the one hand we, on the other Eureka
    1. Akim
      Akim 26 October 2013 13: 28
      +2
      Quote: cezarb95
      with the continuation of this situation with Ukraine, will have to fight for it, along with the eastern Ukrainians

      And who said that we want a civil war? You in Tskhinval so far have not patched all the holes.
      Oh, how much criticism tomorrow will cause, that the Ukrainian marines went to the exercises "Steadfast Jazz-2013" in Poland. Little Macedonia sent 2 times more. But does that really matter.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 26 October 2013 13: 58
        +3
        Quote: Akim
        Quote: cezarb95
        with the continuation of this situation with Ukraine, will have to fight for it, along with the eastern Ukrainians

        And who said that we want a civil war? You in Tskhinval so far have not patched all the holes.
        Oh, how much criticism tomorrow will cause, that the Ukrainian marines went to the exercises "Steadfast Jazz-2013" in Poland. Little Macedonia sent 2 times more. But does that really matter.

        civil war, economic catastrophe they want mainly outside of Ukraine, but before Ukraine the choice of where to go, the only thing I can say is good if there is the right choice so as not to "break all the pots" and judge where the vehicle will be better or Europe I cannot - not a citizen of Ukraine (both have their pluses and minuses)
      2. cezarb95
        cezarb95 27 October 2013 00: 20
        +1
        and who said that most of the Ukrainian people want to go to the Eureka, besides, I had in mind what this association could lead to, and who said that 08.08.08 happened because of us?
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 October 2013 06: 54
          0
          Quote: cezarb95
          who said that 08.08.08 happened because of us?

          For my part, it would be difficult to argue categorically. But you propose to get into the territory of a sovereign state with your help, without the request of their parliament, as if it were some kind of African Mumbo-Yumbo. By what right? This is called aggression.
          1. cezarb95
            cezarb95 27 October 2013 14: 15
            -3
            and if everything is in the furnace, and God forbid, a citizen has begun, the eastern side calls for help, to throw the brotherly people, this is first of all, and secondly, I do not propose to send troops, I guess what friendship with the Eureks can lead to , but this option cannot be excluded
            1. Akim
              Akim 27 October 2013 14: 44
              +2
              Quote: cezarb95
              east side calls for help

              Who is calling? What are the legitimate authorities? Who will give them the rights? Do not infuriate with stupidity, otherwise I'll start to swear! I went to study at a military institute from the Donbass, and why should I consider the separatists to be power, and you friends.? What a civil war ?! Play a shoot on the computer and everything will pass.
              1. cezarb95
                cezarb95 27 October 2013 16: 02
                0
                Comrade, read it, I just guess why the heck to climb into the jungle and change the subject?
                1. Akim
                  Akim 27 October 2013 16: 31
                  +2
                  Quote: cezarb95
                  I just assume why the heck to climb into the jungle and change the subject?

                  Such things should not be assumed. You are already mentally bringing discord among the people of Ukraine. The fact that there is a confrontation in communication between Russia and Ukraine is not enough for you? Do you want those who sympathize with Russia to provoke actions. I have not been to Donetsk for Euro 2012, but visitors with Russian flags, the locals did not cause joy. Especially when they shouted "Russia" at the Ukraine-France match. Turn on the temporary distributor. I managed to be a member of the Komsomol, but this active generation does not consider Russia as the Motherland. The contingent FOR a little older. And how are you going to divide us?
                  1. cezarb95
                    cezarb95 27 October 2013 16: 48
                    +1
                    and if they can happen, it’s good if Yanek doesn’t get there and starts the economy to restore friendships with fraternal peoples, and if not? Do you think Europe will come, will restore everything and bring Ukrainian goods to its markets? no, of course, they don’t need it, they will take their goods to Ukraine, and thus, they will crush the last production, and as for the fans, maybe they are for a single state (Russia, Belarus and Ukraine). but it’s unpleasant for me to hear when Bendera conduct all kinds of marches and demolitions of monuments to the soldiers of the Soviet Army
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 27 October 2013 16: 57
                      +2
                      Quote: cezarb95
                      when Bendera spend all kinds of marches and demolitions of monuments to fighters of the Soviet Army

                      Do Bendera hold these rallies near Volgograd? They are not rallying with rallies in the south-east of Ukraine. We are dealing with them without your help. And the fans. screaming Russia in the Ukrainian stands can not be a priori for a union state. Just think that all your opinions are shared and the teams are listening. I still do not remember the drunken Russian generals in the Artyomovsk division. Although the first half of the 90s can not be considered. Indeed, they were then still one.
                      1. cezarb95
                        cezarb95 27 October 2013 17: 11
                        +1
                        Bendera will come to power with Evra, and in the first half of the 90s the horror was in all three countries, I also want to know your opinion, why then the fans were yelling “Russia”? And the question is, will you deal with it for another 20 years?
                      2. Akim
                        Akim 27 October 2013 18: 07
                        +2
                        Quote: cezarb95
                        why then the fans yelled "Russia"

                        The Russian fans were yelling. 40 minutes drive to the border, why not hit the road. Moreover, the Russian team then already flew out. That's who really climbed with his charter. And Donetsk fans traveled with the national flags of Ukraine. My friends also clung to cars like that.
                        As for Bendera, Europe does not like them. RTR apparently does not transmit all the information.
                      3. cezarb95
                        cezarb95 27 October 2013 19: 02
                        -3
                        I asked why they yelled, and not how and when, I don’t understand, do you always translate arrows, or only today?
                      4. Akim
                        Akim 27 October 2013 19: 13
                        0
                        Quote: cezarb95
                        I asked why they were yelling,

                        Did I drink with them then? These are the fans. They have a ringleader. We only saw the outside.
                      5. cezarb95
                        cezarb95 27 October 2013 19: 19
                        0
                        Well, finally, I got the same answer, and there are such ringleaders everywhere, so Ukrainian fans are not angels, so I think that we should compare the behavior of the fans after 2018, let's see how the Ukrainians will behave
                      6. Akim
                        Akim 27 October 2013 19: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: cezarb95
                        so that Ukrainian fans are not angels, t

                        I do not protect Ukrainian fans, among them there are such peppers that my mother does not grieve. I just don’t understand (or rather, I would like to know other versions) why go to the left match and shout about my line ?.
                      7. cezarb95
                        cezarb95 27 October 2013 19: 47
                        0
                        well, either they are for the creation of a single state, or "tagil people"
                      8. cezarb95
                        cezarb95 27 October 2013 19: 47
                        0
                        like this, it began with the assumption, ended with football laughing
                      9. Akim
                        Akim 27 October 2013 19: 53
                        +3
                        Quote: cezarb95
                        started with the assumption ended in football

                        Because battles should take place only in the sports arena.
                      10. cezarb95
                        cezarb95 27 October 2013 19: 59
                        0
                        must, but life makes its own adjustments
  • cezarb95
    cezarb95 27 October 2013 16: 12
    0
    1) we have a discussion, so stupidly furious 2) there will be mothers, there will be a ban
  • avt
    avt 26 October 2013 13: 47
    +6
    Quote: Akim
    And who said that we want a civil war?

    And what kind of peaceful citizen of his country wants, with the exception of those who are eager for power like Lenin, and even with an idea who sincerely believes in it? Only such translate ANY unbalanced state of the country into a civil war.
    Quote: Akim
    You in Tskhinval so far have not patched all the holes.

    request Normal cut budget funds that ends with the restoration. Alas, we haven’t invented anything new here, you can see how and how much the town was restored in Italy after the earthquake, the scale is not the same, but proportionally very similar - capitalism, this is not the restoration of Tashkent or Ashgabat in Soviet times.
  • Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 26 October 2013 14: 40
    +4
    The European Union through economic problems dissolves the nation in a common pot of Europeans — can afford, a strong center — Germany.
    The CU also has the potential to create a Union, but it’s difficult to break Lukashenko and other national leaders into the center, there are many options for centralization and not necessarily to Moscow.
    Over the years, Ukraine has demonstrated a peculiar policy - the affectionate calf of two queens sucks a style. But it fell between the two, which no one needs as a state. It would be logical to assume its division, but for now, both three are hoping for one-sided success (the third US).
    But technically a 100% victory is possible only with the CU, in the event of leaving the EU, the presence of a Russian 5 column in a third or even half of the country will play against the EU.
  • VOLCHOXURAL
    VOLCHOXURAL 26 October 2013 14: 44
    +7
    Turkey - TS ?! request We had only problems from the Turks! They have long been vassals of Western European political banditry! On their territory are militant camps. Penetrating the Caucasus, Syria, etc. Are we still going there for a vacation?
    1. VOLCHOXURAL
      VOLCHOXURAL 26 October 2013 15: 58
      +5
      And among our women, the concept of "sek with tourism" is in general in vogue - what the hell is that? This is how we needed to "score" on moral and ethical education? That our women, having lost their feelings of their own dignity, nationality and culture, consider it in the order of things to go to a foreign country, to enter into disorderly relations there, and when they return, they call it not bl ... in, but like a normal concept "sek. with tourism "??? By the way, I heard a discussion of this topic on the Russian radio, where the discussion was going on as if it was normal !!! What the f ... nya comrades ?!
      1. VOLCHOXURAL
        VOLCHOXURAL 26 October 2013 16: 17
        +4
        And in general - who invented such a general fashion that if you go to relax, then be sure to Turkey? As if we have nowhere to relax, in full and for every taste ?! I WILL NOT BELIEVE!!! HUGE COUNTRY! RICH NATURE !!! And we take our hard-earned money abroad, fueling an unfriendly economy!
  • Rif
    Rif 26 October 2013 15: 21
    +2
    Quote: Semurg
    True, the Russian leadership will probably be categorically against it.

    I would like to know what are your doubts based on?
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 26 October 2013 22: 35
      +3
      Quote: Rif
      Quote: Semurg
      True, the Russian leadership will probably be categorically against it.

      I would like to know what are your doubts based on?

      interesting country flag? TS opens the boundaries for the free movement of capital, goods, labor. Russian public opinion is against 8-10 million GAS from Central Asia and how much will be from Turkey? and how will the Russians react to this? if there was Serbia or if there was some other Slavic country there it would have been accepted with a bang, but here Turkey with a population of 70 million Muslims seems to be? Well, and a couple of points, but the first reason is enough not to want Turkey in the vehicle.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 26 October 2013 15: 54
    +4
    The Ukrainian leaders want to outwit everyone. They already dream of becoming a "connecting link" between Moscow and Brussels. And they asked Russia if we want to have such a scandalous "messenger"? And the integration of the countries of the former USSR is vital. It is necessary to restore broken communications. create new ones. And any fussing about it is unacceptable.
  • Akim
    Akim 26 October 2013 17: 10
    +1
    Question for general development. In the photo I counted 12 flagpoles. Whose is the first on the left?
    1. cezarb95
      cezarb95 27 October 2013 01: 03
      +1
      the flag, the first on the left, is the banner of the CIS
  • Altona
    Altona 26 October 2013 17: 33
    +5
    Well, last year we entered the WTO ... And what did it give us? Prices did not fall, tariffs did not decrease, life went up, there were no cheap loans and there are no ... As we received through third countries - Iran, India, China, Brazil, we get these "key" technologies ... All these tales to plant migrants, homosexual meat and take away the market ...
  • Irokez
    Irokez 26 October 2013 19: 05
    +4
    Quote: Altona
    Well, last year we entered the WTO ... And what did it give us? Prices did not fall, tariffs did not decrease, life went up, there were no cheap loans and there are no ... As we received through third countries - Iran, India, China, Brazil, we get these "key" technologies ... All these tales to plant migrants, homosexual meat and take away the market ...

    Gold words. The Chinese learn from other people's mistakes and conquer the world going their own way, and some countries do not see the mistakes of their neighbors and are looking for a rake on which they want to step. And besides, you need to be friends with a country with huge energy resources, and they, offended by the gas from Tymoshenko, blame Russia and turn around backwards. The mentality in Europe is not Slavic, not Asian, but selfish-tolerant to use others for their own purposes, at the expense of others and with their own hands.
    I can assume that such a hype in Kiev with the EU and the CU to receive some dividends or concessions (who will give more), but in the end it will join the CU (IMHO). They also understand that they are needed there for slaughter or cheap labor for the Western economy.
  • wax
    wax 26 October 2013 19: 20
    +1
    Alexei, correct the mistake - India is not looking at the EU, but at the CU.
  • wax
    wax 26 October 2013 19: 21
    0
    Alexei, correct the mistake - India is not looking at the EU, but at the CU.
  • w2000
    w2000 26 October 2013 20: 46
    +2
    The Customs Union, the Eurasian Union, the CIS, the Russia-Belarus Union, the Collective Security Treaty Organization are a pile of impotent entities that benefit only the bureaucratic apparatus serving them.
    Real integration is possible only after the elimination of the ruling oligarchic elites of Russia and the former republics of the USSR, the return of power to the people, as well as the return of the socialist system and planned economy.
  • Black
    Black 26 October 2013 21: 13
    +1
    Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
    What the fuck ... comrades ?!

    If also with a comma, then a very topical question would turn out !!! repeat
    In truth - what kind of x ... nya? - Ukraine is silent !!!,
    the peasant is silent, the miner is silent, the intelligentsia is silent ... In Odessa the Ukrainian night made a little noise, and the night is quiet ..
    One gets the impression that we are shouting after the departing train - ".. stop, they say, the path is long and dangerous, we worry a lot about you !!!" , and from the carriages - "Fuck you ....! Give me a couple, driver !!!"
    Is it on the rails? Let it roll. They like neither in p ... de, nor in the red army, so come on !!!
  • Irokez
    Irokez 26 October 2013 21: 33
    +2
    Quote: w2000
    Real integration is possible only after the elimination of the ruling oligarchic elites of Russia and the former republics of the USSR, the return of power to the people, as well as the return of the socialist system and planned economy.

    The socialism that was no longer there. Right now in Russia and Ukraine some kind of special economic system and incomplete market economy, and many old business habits. The people themselves no longer remember the past, but they don’t really know what is happening. Moreover, enemies still introduce confusion, although they wish everyone the best, and what will the people’s power do if the people themselves unite, then not everyone wants it. Ukraine is probably 50 to 50. Those who are trapped - the one in the EU who are more eastern - the one in the CU. To unite, you need to understand what benefits and political dividends will be, and if you go to the opposite economic system (Western market), it means saying goodbye to the past and probably forever. In addition, the Western market knows what it wants, and whoever goes there presents little.
    There is no return to the past and it remains to soberly comprehend what we want and what needs to be done and at the same time listen to the West less so that thoughts are not confused and go all the way like China, for example.
  • Blondin nikonov
    Blondin nikonov 26 October 2013 22: 25
    +2
    Let them integrate into health, Masochism has not yet been canceled by anyone)))))))
  • Vasily Klopkov
    Vasily Klopkov 27 October 2013 00: 22
    +4
    The policy of the Ukrainian government, of course, is called "both yours and ours." Yanukovych wants both Europe and cheap gas from Russia. Well, trading with all countries, including Russia, would also be good. But here the EU is all the same, whatever you say, the cat is in the bag. And it is unlikely that Ukraine, after signing the Association Agreement, will immediately turn into a rich European power like Germany. There are very few reasons for such fantasies. Ukraine will always be treated as a third-grade country. And for most Europeans, we are still Russia, whether we want it or not. So maybe you should not completely separate from it? Yes, of course, Russia behaves like an older sister, and Ukraine has always been the youngest and we must come to terms with this. It is not for nothing that our country in the Russian Empire was listed as Little Russia. And yet, it was precisely as part of the empire and then as part of the Soviet Union that Ukraine reached tremendous economic heights. But separately, something does not work. Already how many rulers have tried, but things are not going.
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 October 2013 07: 10
      +3
      This is yes. Little is known about Ukraine in Europe. There are even fewer overseas. In "Die Hard 4" from Moscow to Chernobyl, it took about three hours. But this does not mean that you should put up with it and fold your legs like a frog in milk. Precisely because we are considered in the shadow of Russia, such an attitude towards us. And bourgeois Russia understands this and does not want to release it. Maybe Slobozhanshchina was called Little Russia until the 17th year, Odessa region was called Novorossia. The question is not how the region was called. The bottom line is that you are trying to equalize by old standards. If a person, God forbid, has lost a hand, he must learn to live in this way, and not remember that he once hammered nails with this hand or held a spoon. And sigh: "Why should I live without this?"
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 27 October 2013 10: 41
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        The bottom line is that you are trying to equalize by old standards. If a person, God forbid, has lost a hand, he must learn to live in this way, and not remember that he once hammered nails with this hand or held a spoon. And sigh: "Why should I live without this?"


        Welcome hi Akim.
        It is definitely too early to talk about the loss of the "organ". And if, relying on your comment, "reverse" it, it will become obvious that the people of Ukraine are sighing, because the Ukrainian state has learned to live independently, that is, there are attempts, but there is no result.
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 October 2013 13: 15
          +1
          Quote: Corsair
          STATE Ukraine DOESN'T LEARN TO LIVE INDEPENDENTLY, i.e. there are attempts, there is no result.

          Yes, I learned. You will still always consider your son a small child.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 27 October 2013 13: 52
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            Yes, I learned. You will still always consider your son a small child.

            And here, one can argue ... With the external attributes of statehood seems to be in order, the "wrapper" was created (partly with the help of "friends" from the West).

            And "dig" DEEPER! Economic weakness, imbalance in the financial sector and, as a consequence, the inability to fulfill social services will manifest itself. obligations to citizens, periodically without prejudice to other categories, etc.

            You are, according to your own statement, "SOCIALIST", and such facts should be known and give them a sober, balanced assessment.
            1. Akim
              Akim 27 October 2013 14: 31
              +2
              Quote: Corsair
              And "dig" DEEPER! Economic weakness, imbalance in the financial sector and, as a consequence, the inability to fulfill social services will manifest itself. obligations to citizens, periodically without prejudice to other categories, etc.

              I will not argue. Whatever you think. I will not fight a pointless argument. As for social obligations. You need to be able to achieve everything. Naturally, everyone is trying to snatch themselves (starting with the cook). The pension is paid regularly, the hospital was examined free of charge (except for a CT scanner), the Tavria was allocated, it was not possible to drive then. Now the Ukrainian auto-iron is not needed. The truth is, I haven’t received an apartment yet and will hardly receive it. But let's hope. The tea is not old yet. Some are waiting for 25 years, not 10.
    2. artem772
      artem772 27 October 2013 10: 33
      -7
      For Ukraine, the Russian Federation is neither an elder nor a sister. And in Europe they already know about Ukraine quite well. The imperial name "Little Russia" never caught on, it was rejected by the people here, as it was unnatural.
  • Irokez
    Irokez 27 October 2013 11: 14
    +8
    Quote: artem772
    For Ukraine, the Russian Federation is neither an elder nor a sister. And in Europe they already know about Ukraine quite well. The imperial name "Little Russia" never caught on, it was rejected by the people here, as it was unnatural.

    Unnatural for what? The fact that you are the same as we are by blood and if a large territory is called Russia, and a small territory is called small Russia, then this is unnatural. You want Big Russia and Small Russia. In a word, it is called Great Russia, which includes several components. In common people, these are Bulbashi, Khokhly and Katsapa. It is not necessary to divide the indivisible and lift up your nose saying that we are not you, we are great Ukrainians or the like.

    P.S. By the way, it turns out strange. Bulbashi and Katsapi are printed in the message and Khokhly is erased (this is a swear word) and I had to write it through the English "o". Is it something special and politically incorrect chtoli?
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 27 October 2013 11: 24
      +3
      Quote: Irokez
      Is it a fact that is something special and politically incorrect chtoli?

      In the understanding of some, equivalent to the word "nigga" ...
  • daem00n
    daem00n 27 October 2013 11: 33
    +4
    Quote: Kars
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    our sewing factories stood up. Billions are needed for modernization, but they weren’t

    cool and Ukrainian sewing factories sew for French brands.

    What? I live in a city that has 1 garment factory and 1 Cotton mill - the factory has been abandoned for about five years already, they made the entertainment complex the largest in Ukraine, also called Factory, from the KBC. Who sews French brands there is a secret for me!
  • tank 34
    tank 34 27 October 2013 12: 06
    +2
    Indeed, in many ways it resembles the Tower of Babel. We’ll wait and see.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 27 October 2013 13: 43
    +2
    It seems that the idea is not some kind of general - more precisely, the general is declared, but in practice, it is not at all general.
    The division of labor on the territory of the former USSR could lead to a good unification with a good idea. But it doesn’t work out. Problems on the political plane of economic and social. Ambitions + problems + desires of countries do not lead to strong ties.
    PS - what are you up to discuss who has which toilet? Whose tuple is longer? Pipiska who is cooler?
    Yes, it’s clear that our rulers and bureaucrats in the Slavic style dodged to the trough - I begin to frankly show off ....
    Remember the play "100 thousand"? nothing changed....
    bad that's what -The unification "from below" is bad. And "from above" is generally nonsense --- it is not enough to shoot everyone ...
    Let's play ... Label Mayd of rank we will re-stick everything to the local ..... While we are here to find out whose piplist is cooler.
    Guys, let's live together and we will not use the word "Little Russia" that has died in the Bose! A terrible negative comes from him. We have never been little Russians. There was a period when we were specifically called that. And we didn’t like it. We have our own Slavic language. And the name Ukraine is to my liking. Little Russia is not to be liked.
    The impression is that in 1991 it was not the USSR that collapsed but the Republic of Ingushetia. Call at least the Ukrainian SSR, and not this "Little Russia" ... something shouldn't be for me to call you "Muscovy" and "Muscovites" ... But what am I talking about? You cannot be distinguished from us as well as us from you. Only on the map, except perhaps ...
    Better let's not build the Berlin Wall taller and fatter.
  • your1970
    your1970 27 October 2013 14: 02
    +2
    Still, you would have considered otherwise only friendship with Russia. But if I am friends with Zina, it does not bother me to meet with Tanya.
    As for the trade. Yes, it seems, and so all these duty-free privileges within the CIS are no longer valid. They are nominal. Everything can work if we enter the vehicle. And these are different levels of relationships. Association and entry into any Union. [/ Quote]
    not even nominal-duty-free benefits. In 2010, the FCS calculated that if palm trees were planted all over Ukraine, then less palm oil would be produced than was imported into the Russian Federation as having Ukrainian origin (according to ST-1 certificates).
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 October 2013 14: 46
      +1
      Quote: your1970
      .In 2010, the FCS calculated that if palm trees were planted all over Ukraine, then less palm oil would be produced than was imported into the Russian Federation as having Ukrainian origin (according to ST-1 certificates).

      Your cerberus-Onishchenko was removed and customs will give the go-ahead
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  • Irokez
    Irokez 27 October 2013 15: 20
    +3
    Quote: Akim

    Your cerberus-Onishchenko was removed and customs will give the go-ahead

    You can't shoot everyone. In the place of the murdered - two come. Yes, and as Medvedev said, "Gennady Onishchenko will deal with issues related to the quality of legislation, a range of topics that are close in specifics to his previous work, and will also carry out" some separate assignments. "
    Cerberus turns out to be released on freestyle hunting. And customs will give the go-ahead if the state is not offended.
    1. Akim
      Akim 27 October 2013 15: 26
      +1
      Quote: Irokez
      In place of the murdered - two comes

      Apparently all the countries took off and gave the Kremlin their paw, since there they made the ax-head. bully
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 27 October 2013 15: 28
      +1
      Quote: Irokez
      Don’t shoot everyone. In place of the murdered - two comes

      You got ahead of me with your comment ..., you had to remove it yourself (Otherwise, you will be accused of plagiarism laughing ) +
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 27 October 2013 15: 21
    +1
    wink You talk all about politics. Yes, take a look at the flag. Which for the Union came up with. The color directly says violet. On others and on those who are in union too. A badge. Did Shoigu have a hand in hand? Star made of rectangles. And YOU are all discussing politicians and stylish caps of US marines.
  • Sineys
    Sineys 27 October 2013 20: 28
    -1
    Not guys, I just precipitate from your taiga union. Syria, with Assad at the head, asks for a vehicle and Turkey with Erdogan too! Is it they that, at an unlimited tariff, the basmachs will export to each other? This is a complete scribe! And finally, build yours, a muddy union (from Ukrainian. Mytny Union-MS), God help you, but only without us!
    1. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 27 October 2013 20: 39
      +6
      And we will take, and build, hi From an ethnic Ukrainian-Kazakhstani!
  • Zymran
    Zymran 27 October 2013 20: 47
    +2
    Quote: Sineys
    Syria, with Assad at the head, asks for a vehicle and Turkey with Erdogan too! Is it they that, at an unlimited tariff, the basmachs will export to each other?


    laughing Exactly!