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The analytical program "However," with Mikhail Leontyev 24 October 2013

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Ukraine is moving by leaps and bounds to sign an association agreement with the European Union, selflessly fulfilling all the conditions of the ultimatum put forward by Europeans.

On Tuesday, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine held a rally, which participants demanded to protect Ukraine in the event of its signing of an association with the EU from obligations extending to Ukraine the European norms regarding sexual minorities. The participants of the action addressed the president, the government and deputies with the question of why the agreement contains reservations from Ukraine on land ownership, forest use, notaries, but there are no reservations aimed at protecting against the imposition of homosexuality.

From the movie "Gentlemen of Fortune":
- Sorry, girls, you are not mistaken?
- Come in, uncle!

It should be noted that this most piquant point of the European ultimatum really puts Donetsk boys in an awkward position in the literal sense of the word. But what can't you do for the sake of the "Euro-European choice". As for the other points, they cause much less problems for the current Ukrainian political beau monde, regardless of any orientation.
The most well-known condition of the agreement with the European Union was the requirement to release the ex-prime minister and opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko, who is serving a term for signing a gas agreement with Russia. To this end, the faction of the ruling Party of Regions submitted a draft law to the parliament, the purpose of which is the possibility of temporarily releasing Tymoshenko for "treatment" to Germany.

Brilliant deal! Europe retains the face, Tymoshenko is free, but continues to shake a term that excludes her participation in the Ukrainian elections. Moreover, the united opposition has already thrown it. Everyone is happy. As for the rest of the points, including the most important one - the unconditional refusal of Ukraine from any real integration with Russia - this is what Ukrainian politicians care little about in general. The most ridiculous thing is to explain to the Ukrainian politicians the advantages of joining the Customs Union and the obvious harm from the notorious "Association" for Ukraine. Yes, they wanted to sneeze to Ukraine!

The only meaning of the association, as well as of the whole “Europian choice”, we repeat, is a receipt of loyalty to those who control the loot they have stolen, which, of course, is not stored in Ukraine or in Russia.

From the movie "Barbara Beauty - a long braid:
"A must!"

Dear thanks! The price of the issue - the collapse of the Ukrainian economy, and so barely alive. And behind him and the current Ukrainian politics. That is, this receipt of the current Ukrainian establishment is signed by its political suicide.

“Any EU decision on Ukraine is doomed to failure,” stated in an article published by the Bloomberg agency. “As the author notes,“ the Kremlin is investing colossal funds in a rival structure - the Customs Union, which it hopes to transform into a more politically cohesive Eurasian Union. If Ukraine becomes part of the European regulatory space, Putin’s efforts will be in vain. Moscow intends to prevent this. And with taking into account the problems that Ukraine has arranged for itself, it is unlikely to admit, regardless of whether an agreement is signed with Brussels or not. In Vilnius, this история will not end. "

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  1. fklj
    fklj 25 October 2013 09: 22
    36
    Hold on, brothers. You would have to hold out the day, but stand the night, and there the EU might fall apart.
    1. Canep
      Canep 25 October 2013 10: 16
      22
      If Ukraine enters the EU (association), then they (the EU) will stretch for another three years, and then it will be seen. Ukraine is a large market for European goods, and until it finally impoverishes the EU sentence will be delayed.
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 25 October 2013 12: 04
        10
        And then either the donkey will dry up, or Ukraine will fall apart or the European Union. And again there’s no one to ask about the impoverishment of the people
    2. Civil
      Civil 25 October 2013 10: 30
      +2
      So this, all Russians get Ukrainian passports, rrrraaaz and Ukraine again as part of one state :-)
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 25 October 2013 12: 06
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        So this, all Russians get Ukrainian passports, rrrraaaz and Ukraine again as part of one state :-)

        None, Kanadsk or the Marshall Islands. In Ukraine, no one has canceled Halyava
    3. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 25 October 2013 18: 07
      +1
      "Hold on, brothers. You should hold out for a day, but for a night stand, and then the EU may collapse."
      Only when the EU finally falls apart will it hurt the Ukrainian brothers. They can’t go there, no way !!!
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 25 October 2013 21: 53
        +2
        Quote: Veteran's grandson
        Only when the EU finally falls apart will it hurt the Ukrainian brothers. They can’t go there, no way !!!

        Sorry for the brothers Ukrainians no words! But why does Misha Leontiev not remember that we ourselves (the Russian Federation) got into the WTO thanks to the GDP and Mendel? Maybe before sympathizing with the Ukrainians, it is necessary to restore order, disperse the oligarchs, clean out corrupt officials and arrange a cleaning of the power vertical? And then, already being healthy in mind and body, lend a helping hand to the fraternal people?
      2. Ribwort
        Ribwort 25 October 2013 22: 21
        +1
        Quote: Veteran's grandson
        They can’t go there, no way !!!

        Lord, let them go already. Sometimes to make sure that it really is ..., you must step on it, figuratively speaking ...
      3. vitamin ky
        vitamin ky 26 October 2013 00: 43
        0
        you might think someone asks us crying
        to fagot we have long been confronted with the fact am
  2. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 25 October 2013 09: 23
    33
    It should be noted that this most piquant point of the European ultimatum really puts Donetsk boys in an awkward position in the literal sense of the word. But what can you do for the sake of the "European choice".

    Well, Leontiev ha ha ha)) But in fact instead of military parades, gay parades will be forced to hold Ah Ukraine ...
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 25 October 2013 09: 33
      35
      Quote: MIKHAN
      But instead of military parades they will make gay parades hold


      And Yanek and Tymoshenko will change places, then she’ll arrange for him like a cockerel
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 25 October 2013 09: 54
        11
        Quote: Vadivak
        And Yanek and Tymoshenko will change places,

        I’m afraid that from a change of position, the sum will not change? 7?
        1. 3.7.964
          3.7.964 25 October 2013 10: 41
          33
          Quote: Arberes
          I’m afraid that from a change of position, the sum will not change? 7?

          I bought a notebook, I put there all the "EUROINTEGRATORS" by name, the time will come - it will come in handy.
          1. Arberes
            Arberes 25 October 2013 10: 50
            17
            Quote: 3.7.964
            I bought a notebook, I put there all the "EUROINTEGRATORS" by name, the time will come - it will come in handy.

            Good day to you, dear 3.7.964 hi
            Is that the saying?
            "I don't remember evil, I'm writing it down"?
            1. DEfindER
              DEfindER 25 October 2013 12: 39
              +9
              Quote: Arberes
              "I don't remember evil, I'm writing it down"?

              Or so - I’m evil and my memory is bad, I will take revenge, I will forget, I will take revenge again.
              the truth is more about the Baltic states)
          2. Wedmak
            Wedmak 25 October 2013 11: 50
            +6
            And then buy a sniper rifle? wink
            1. Arberes
              Arberes 25 October 2013 12: 47
              +7
              Quote: Wedmak
              And then buy a sniper rifle?

              And more rounds! I wonder who will head the hit list, dear 3.7.964 ?
              Personally, I bet on Yushchenko! hi
              1. 3.7.964
                3.7.964 25 October 2013 13: 08
                +6
                Quote: Arberes
                Personally, I bet on Yushchenko!

                good
                1. vitamin ky
                  vitamin ky 26 October 2013 00: 46
                  +1
                  a bullet for Judah - hmm, but won't it be oily? - soap and rope - just right am
          3. kavkaz8888
            kavkaz8888 25 October 2013 12: 10
            12
            And as "the time will come" - do not forget to put your notebook here on the site. God forbid who we will miss.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 October 2013 09: 35
      11
      Quote: MIKHAN
      But instead of military parades they will make gay parades

      In England, military fagots officially participate in parades and are very proud of it.
      1. v.lyamkin
        v.lyamkin 25 October 2013 10: 38
        +7
        Do they have special insignia?
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 25 October 2013 10: 53
          12
          this is not England, but in my opinion everything is so clear
          1. Arberes
            Arberes 25 October 2013 10: 58
            +6
            Quote: seller trucks
            this is not England, but in my opinion everything is so clear

            "Well dear, shall we shoot tonight?"
            And in the morning they will close friendly ranks in the gay parade! Is that how doves live?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 25 October 2013 11: 58
              +5
              Quote: Arberes
              And in the morning they will close friendly ranks in the gay parade! Is that how doves live?

              Love each other soldiers, so that there would be no more war. wassat
          2. Sergius
            Sergius 25 October 2013 14: 45
            +2
            Quote: seller trucks
            this is not England, but in my opinion everything is so clear

            Doves in battle: "They take a grenade with two fingers and with the words - on, get a nasty enemy, turd"
          3. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 27 October 2013 01: 12
            +1
            And because you have to make love, not war!
        2. Arberes
          Arberes 25 October 2013 11: 08
          10
          Quote: v.lyamkin
          Do they have special insignia?

          I imagine such a picture.
          Bright blue stripe on the butt with the words "Thrice Pedor of the Royal British Army"!
    3. PureGUN
      PureGUN 25 October 2013 13: 29
      +6
      Yeah. Naturally: "Gay boys". You can't turn your back to Europe.
  3. Chever
    Chever 25 October 2013 09: 24
    +1
    We will see how things go in the future ...
  4. Sunjar
    Sunjar 25 October 2013 09: 26
    21
    The only thing left for the Ukrainian elite is to expose their homosexuals to European homosexuals, well, for tolerance, of course, and to show the purity of their thoughts regarding the EU.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 October 2013 09: 36
      17
      Quote: Sunjar
      The only thing left for the Ukrainian elite is to substitute their European homosexuals

      This is already done.
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  5. SvetoRus
    SvetoRus 25 October 2013 09: 27
    +4
    This story will not end in Vilnius "
    Definitely!
  6. Wedmak
    Wedmak 25 October 2013 09: 29
    +7
    It is a pity the Ukrainian people. Indeed, through the efforts of the government, they are plunged into a deep hole, which will cost a lot to get out of. In all senses.
    1. Old skeptic
      Old skeptic 25 October 2013 09: 46
      28
      Stop worrying about Ukraine.

      One of the rules of the psychoanalyst - "It is useless to help someone who does not want to help himself, step aside and do not worry." Try to put on his feet a drunk who does not even try to get up, and you will understand what I mean.
      Wait until it’s overslept, though later it will be tormented by a terrible hangover and dipresnyak, but this is also not your problem.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 25 October 2013 10: 09
        12
        Stop worrying about Ukraine.

        It is useless to help someone who does not want to help themselves, step aside and do not worry.

        Duc, that’s the problem. Judging by the reviews of the population of Ukraine, it does not want to in the EU at all. And the government apparently wants to spit on its own people.
        1. Akim
          Akim 25 October 2013 10: 11
          +1
          Quote: Wedmak
          Judging by the reviews of the population of Ukraine, it does not want to in the EU at all.

          50/50
          1. Old skeptic
            Old skeptic 25 October 2013 10: 14
            +9
            Quote: Akim
            50/50


            Well, maybe that's how it is divided.
            1. Akim
              Akim 25 October 2013 10: 17
              +4
              Quote: Old Skeptic
              Well, maybe that's how it is divided.

              What to share? Country? I do not agree. There was still not enough blood.
              1. Old skeptic
                Old skeptic 25 October 2013 10: 20
                +1
                Then go to a consensus (in the sense, somehow solve the issue.)
                1. Akim
                  Akim 25 October 2013 10: 28
                  +5
                  Quote: Old Skeptic
                  Then go to consensus

                  It will be so. Association is not entry. Turkey 40 years associate member. When it becomes a choice between the accession of the CU and the EU, we will fight for a referendum.
                  1. Old skeptic
                    Old skeptic 25 October 2013 10: 36
                    10
                    An association in itself may be a good thing, but it implies certain obligations (destructive for the economy), and without guarantee of entry (A beautiful move is the truth? They will marry and quit.).
                    1. And how exactly will you fight?
                    2. When? When are you going to drink Barjemi, (Yesentuki sorry)?
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 25 October 2013 10: 43
                      +2
                      Quote: Old Skeptic
                      1. And how exactly will you fight?
                      2. When? When will it be cognitive to drink Barjemi

                      You are accustomed to Russia without elections.
                      1. Old skeptic
                        Old skeptic 25 October 2013 10: 49
                        +9
                        And from whom to get out?
                        Putin or the liberals?
                        In the nineties there was an advertisement "with a hedgehog", and so there was a slogan - "With all the wealth of choice, there is no other alternative."
                      2. Vadivak
                        Vadivak 25 October 2013 12: 09
                        +2
                        Quote: Akim
                        You are accustomed to Russia without elections.


                        We are not used to, we are used to
                  2. 222222
                    222222 25 October 2013 11: 20
                    +3
                    Yesterday, one of the local political scientists suggested putting two questions to the referendum:
                    1. Sign an association agreement with the EU without subsequent entry into the union. Explains this by the fact that in the association agreement there is no clause on the future entry of Ukraine into the EU. Yes, and Prime Minister Azarov confirmed this
                    2. Joining the customs union.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 25 October 2013 12: 05
                      +7
                      Quote: 222222
                      1. Sign an association agreement with the EU without subsequent entry into the union

                      What is it like? Will we sleep the contract together and live separately? Azarov you abruptly ladies will be.
                    2. kavkaz8888
                      kavkaz8888 25 October 2013 12: 24
                      +7
                      "222222 Today, 11:20 ↑ New
                      Yesterday, one of the local political scientists suggested putting two questions to the referendum:
                      1. Sign an association agreement with the EU without subsequent entry into the union. Explains this by the fact that in the association agreement there is no clause on the future entry of Ukraine into the EU. Yes, and Prime Minister Azarov confirmed this
                      2. Joining the customs union. "

                      This is called and eat the fish and do not choke on the bone.
                  3. Botanologist
                    Botanologist 25 October 2013 11: 32
                    +9
                    Quote: Akim
                    When it becomes a choice between the accession of the CU and the EU, we will fight for a referendum.


                    I am afraid that long before joining the EU, Ukraine will be so economically cleaned up that there will be enough money only for what Brussels will allocate humanitarian aid. Of course, not a referendum.
                    Still, it’s a matter of dividing east and west somewhere along Vinnitsa, and dividing the regions. Lviv is much closer - to Poland or Turkey?
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 25 October 2013 11: 38
                      -2
                      Quote: Botanologist
                      Still, it’s a matter of dividing east and west somewhere along Vinnitsa, and dividing the regions. Lviv is much closer - to Poland or Turkey?

                      What are you trying to divide us? We do not have such a division inside. I can speak Russian fluently in Lviv upon arrival.MG-42 will confirm. But history and politics can be left without talking.
                      1. vlad_pr
                        vlad_pr 25 October 2013 12: 27
                        +7
                        I consider it unreasonable to share you. You have chosen your path, and from our side, groaning about the fraternal people and common roots, I consider inappropriate, this was clear already in the late 80s. As they say: an easy way, a happy path. Good luck, the only thing, only then don't scream like mad elephants at every intersection that the Russians are to blame for everything, you seem to be sane, it seems to me. There are a legion of examples of this from the so-called "brotherly" peoples.
                        Sincerely.
                      2. Botanologist
                        Botanologist 25 October 2013 21: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Akim
                        I can speak Russian fluently in Lviv upon arrival


                        Yeah, like in a joke about Stalin and Eisehauer. - In America, freedom of speech, any citizen can go to the square and scold the president of America. Stalin - And what do you want to surprise? In the USSR, too, any citizen can go to the square and scold the president of America.
                      3. MG42
                        MG42 26 October 2013 13: 01
                        +2
                        Quote: Akim
                        What are you trying to divide us? We do not have such a division inside. Upon arrival in Lviv, I can speak fluent Russian. MG-42 will confirm.

                        Akimushka, sorry yesterday did not see this post, and what the hell are you referring to me am , I won’t confirm !, order coffee in a Lviv cafe in Russian, you can carry it for some time, by the way, I wrote the opposite in my posts, your forum curator will confirm it, ask him .. no reread my posts angry the Galicians have a different mentality, their accent especially accurses me in particular, like I had to go a full wagon of Galicians to Kiev, I heard enough ...

                        On Victory Day in Lviv unfurled posters “Go Home!”
                        Several radically minded people are chanting “Glory to the nation - death to enemies”, “Glory to Ukraine!”, “Yaku on Gilyaka”.

                        http://news.online.ua/587649/na-den-pobedy-vo-lvove-razvernuli-plakaty-moskali-g

                        ou-houm /
                        In which city in Ukraine will such slogans be written, unless in Ternopol .. where the Natsik freedom rule ..
                        There are a bunch of videos on this subject ...
                      4. Akim
                        Akim 26 October 2013 13: 21
                        0
                        Quote: MG42
                        and what the hell are you referring to me


                        And I got the impression on the contrary. Yes, their character is not sugar, especially among young people. But they relate normally to the Russian language. Only once said they did not understand. I specifically switched to Polish, after which Russian turned out to be closer to them.
                      5. MG42
                        MG42 26 October 2013 13: 43
                        +1
                        Kars, you are not a beautiful girl so that you can fly several miles for you. hundreds of kilometers, firing gasoline, I will dial it by all means, you wait .. you are drawn to a dialogue about me, but you are afraid to get out of an emergency situation, I wrote to you to go to the toilet without taking off your pants, maybe it is more convenient for you as you won't "run into" Akim, and Kars is in a hurry to rescue .. <chip and dale!>
                        Quote: Akim
                        And I got the impression on the contrary.

                        Speaking on behalf of other members of the forum is at least incorrect, watch the video <TE> >>

                        Let's talk each for ourselves ..
                        What is possible in Lviv, all kinds of UPA marches, not possible in Sevastopol or Donetsk, will you really deny it?
                        This suggests that different values ​​on a territorial basis, even though the state and unitary ..
                      6. Akim
                        Akim 26 October 2013 13: 54
                        0
                        Quote: MG42
                        What is possible in Lviv, all kinds of UPA marches, not possible in Sevastopol or Donetsk, will you really deny it?

                        I have the impression of you that you do not see the tragedy in communication in Russian in Lviv.
                        And the fact that cultures are different, values ​​and heroes - so I did not refer to you. I know your negative attitude towards them.
                        PS The most interesting. Communicated on the topic of beating the Indians in their forum. The answers were amazing. In the spirit: What the hell did they even get there.
                      7. MG42
                        MG42 26 October 2013 13: 59
                        +2
                        Quote: Akim
                        And the fact that cultures are different, values ​​and heroes - so I did not refer to you. I know your negative attitude towards them.

                        Okay, let's go .., here's a look Akim, your Odessa !, Deputy Markov and company mercilessly beat the representatives of "freedom" at the rally
                        You just need to log in to your YouTube account, the video has 18+
                      8. Akim
                        Akim 26 October 2013 14: 09
                        0
                        Quote: MG42
                        You just need to log in to your YouTube account, the video has 18+

                        I then worked three hundred meters nearby (on Gagarin Avenue near that high-rise) and saw this rally live. There were those Svobodovites - the cat cried. Markov the brave attacked the grandmothers. Before that, the Svobodovites came under the monument to Catherine. There was no fight, more than one youth was. Squealed and parted. And Markov wanted to make a name for himself in politics. That rally was profiled, so I won back on pensioners.
                      9. MG42
                        MG42 26 October 2013 14: 15
                        0
                        Quote: Akim
                        I then worked three hundred meters nearby (on Gagarin Avenue near that high-rise) and saw this rally live

                        And what about the one who wheezed on the asphalt in a pool of blood ?, extras cops in this fight, he had to be turned on his back, I saw the type one was bent in this position, the doctors did not have time to help him, the ambulance was going very fast. .
                      10. Akim
                        Akim 26 October 2013 14: 18
                        0
                        Quote: MG42
                        And what about the one who wheezed on the pavement in a pool of blood?

                        I didn’t see fights (she was a bit later). And this uncle earned 3 group.
                  4. Cristall
                    Cristall 27 October 2013 14: 08
                    +1
                    This is my Odessa. I live 5 minutes from Kulikovo Field.
                    Humanly, you cannot do this. The police worked very poorly - I would always have made a living corridor of fences in their place in advance. You can’t beat people, it’s a crime.
                    And now, as an Odessa citizen, all the protesters rally here (you can hear it from the speech) That is, the visitors arrived and demand to close our monument to Catherine 2. Let me ask - what kind of bald visitor is this to demand and even to hold a rally? For this alone anger boils.
                    Yes, they beat these Bendera (politically correct-zapadentsev) in Odessa! They also beat ours and stole the flag and publicly tore in Lviv! Shooting proudly on camera!
                    I am against violence - but violence breeds violence. Yes, ours are wrong here - they injured a person (southerners generally have poor control over their emotions) is a crime
                    But when these zapadentsy do something here, I myself want to shoot with a rifle ... They came in large numbers here and demand. Do we go to Lviv to demand to demolish them to Bender? So let them beware of touching Katya ... she still created a better city ... albeit a younger one.
                    Forgive the emotions. Without emotions, this is not the case. Such rallies must be prohibited. The reason is that visiting zapadentsy cannot demand something in the reconstruction of another city. Well, the fight is of course our fault. But those are good too.
                    By the way, there is a bas-relief near the Bulgarian street. There the words - Forward to communism, Radyansky power. The funny thing is that the wall is torn and there is de bas-relief - everything is clean .. as if the slogan is stored. So there is not a single meeting, not a single request to remove it. But the monument to Katya and Pushkin, these "non-local" demand to remove. And they are symbols of the city and the founders. Let us decide what to install and what not.
          2. Kars
            Kars 26 October 2013 13: 17
            +2
            AvatarMarshal
            MG42 UA Today, 13: 01.

            By the way, I'm still waiting for the call))))))))))))
          3. Kars
            Kars 26 October 2013 14: 17
            +2
            MG42 UA Today, 13:43 | Analytical program "However" with Mikhail Leontyev October 24, 2013
            Kars you are not gerla beautiful h


            Yes, it’s just interesting for me to buy the T-90 myself or will you bring it?
  • 3.7.964
    3.7.964 25 October 2013 10: 46
    17
    Quote: Akim
    50/50

    This is because of the Eurohistory that is on television. The lie itself became an ether in Ukraine, especially in this Schuster succeeded with his shit program. Medvedchuk and Odessa Markov tried to discover the truth, one was severely besieged, the other was hard-pressed.
    1. Akim
      Akim 25 October 2013 10: 56
      -14 qualifying.
      Quote: 3.7.964
      another was firmly planted.

      It serves him right!
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 25 October 2013 11: 10
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    50/50


    Hello Akim, where does infa come from?
    1. Akim
      Akim 25 October 2013 11: 15
      -8
      Quote: seller trucks
      Hello Akim, where does infa come from?

      A bunch of social. polls. Here is the arithmetic mean and selected.
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist 25 October 2013 11: 41
        +5
        Quote: Akim
        Here is the arithmetic mean and selected.


        Why choose the arithmetic mean? after all, it’s possible average geographic !. And draw a line, Lviv - to the EU, Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk - to Russia. Well, let's bring the association to its logical conclusion, to the merger.
        1. Akim
          Akim 25 October 2013 11: 47
          -4
          Quote: Botanologist
          And draw a line, Lviv - to the EU, Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk - to Russia.

          By what right did you decide to divide us ?! Do not hell with their charter to climb into a strange monastery.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 25 October 2013 12: 10
            +4
            Quote: Akim
            By what right did you decide to divide us ?! Do not hell with their charter to climb into a strange monastery.

            Is he so alien? My sister went on a walk here, so she had to give me a lyule, although she has her own family. It’s not for her husband to take her.
            1. Akim
              Akim 25 October 2013 12: 15
              -5
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              My sister went on a walk here, so she had to give me a lyuley

              It is precisely that in Russia they still consider themselves responsible for Ukraine according to Saint-Exupery. And the child is already a long time adult.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 25 October 2013 12: 22
                +6
                Quote: Akim
                And the child is already an adult.

                My sister is also married, kind of not small, so what? She ceased to be my relatives, or what?
              2. Akim
                Akim 25 October 2013 12: 29
                +2
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                She ceased to be my relatives, or what?

                My ancestors also teach me how to live right, only I go my own way. But I listen sometimes. People are different.
              3. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 25 October 2013 12: 43
                11
                Quote: Akim
                My ancestors also teach me how to live.

                And you will teach your own. One blood. So we are trying to intervene, because your government is pulling Ukraine into the European "panel".
              4. Akim
                Akim 25 October 2013 12: 46
                0
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Your government is pulling Ukraine into the European "panel".

                Do not sign for your power. She is also mercantile and bloodthirsty. Besides hypocritical. Hiding behind words of kindred love. I also found Tarasy Bulba there.
              5. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 25 October 2013 14: 15
                +4
                Quote: Akim
                Besides hypocritical.

                Everything is relative. Something I did not see Russian going to work in Ukraine. I hope you understand the hint.
              6. Akim
                Akim 25 October 2013 14: 28
                -7
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Something I did not see Russian going to work in Ukraine. I hope you understand the hint.

                Not understood. Tajiks also come to you. Do you also call them brothers? In Italy, it is full of Ukrainian zarobitchans. Something I did not hear about brotherhood with Rome.
              7. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 25 October 2013 15: 46
                +4
                Quote: Akim
                Not understood. Tajiks also come to you. You call them brothers too

                What does the Tajik have to do with it? The litmus test for the government is the number of citizens who left to work in neighboring countries to earn money. So Ours do not go to you, but we have a lot of yours. Question for the first class- Where is better to live, and whose government is better? Once again, I do not think our government is good, but depending on what to compare.
              8. Akim
                Akim 25 October 2013 16: 02
                +2
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Where is life better and whose government is better?

                I will not insult, although a phrase from the tale of Filatov suggests itself. Do you take into account the price difference? So the Poles go to more expensive countries in the West for a bit of money.
                I once gave an example. For money from a two-room apartment in Odessa in the village of Kotovsky (sleeping area), you can buy a one-room apartment in Yeysk, also not in the center. My friends from Peter moved to work here at this port. For money from the commune bought kopeck piece in the new building. So it is in everything. And take this into account dear Odessa, and not some Muhoshor..ansk in the Zhytomyr region. There prices are even lower, sometimes even at times.
              9. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 25 October 2013 18: 22
                +3
                Quote: Akim
                I will not insult

                And thanks for that.
                Quote: Akim
                Do you take into account the price difference? So the Poles go to more expensive countries in the West

                I understand it. But something is not visible in Germany Russian guest workers, some Turks. and only oligarchs go to England, judging by your logic for earnings. Do not operate in the wrong categories.
              10. Akim
                Akim 25 October 2013 18: 30
                0
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                But something is not visible in Germany of Russian migrant workers,

                And who needs them in Germany? They do not know the language; they do not have a work visa. you need to spend money on insurance. It is illegal to live for a long time. All places are occupied by cheaper Turks. In third-rate work, you can earn the same money in Moscow. Moscow is not Russia.
                And specialists remain in Germany for permanent residence.
              11. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 25 October 2013 18: 40
                +3
                Quote: Akim
                And who needs them in Germany? They don’t know the language, do not have a work visa

                But the Turks with the Poles know the language, and their visa is issued from birth. Well, what do the Turks not go to Moscow for third-rate work? It seems like an adult, but you think that in Europe it will be better than with Russia. Why are you so embittered with Russia?
              12. Akim
                Akim 25 October 2013 18: 50
                -3
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Well, what do the Turks not go to Moscow for third-rate work?

                So they are building roads and houses. And in Moscow there are many Dzhamshutov and Rapshanov. The competition is great. As for the Poles, they do not need a visa. And for your information, German and English are seriously taught at their school. Not our education couple. Although my cousin is already so sweet in the language of Walter Skolt. and without any Cambridge. The truth is who Lenin does not know.
              13. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 25 October 2013 19: 22
                +3
                Quote: Akim
                So they are building roads and houses. And in Moscow there are many Dzhamshutov and Rapshanov. The competition is great. As for the Poles, they do not need a visa. And for your information, German and English are seriously taught at their school. Not our education couple.

                Akim, before continuing the discussion, I want to ask you a question. I believe that Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians are ONE, artificially divided people. I would like to know your opinion on this matter. Just do not wag please, I understand that Ukrainians are by nature stubborn people, but the answer is honest.
              14. Akim
                Akim 25 October 2013 19: 30
                -1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                I believe that Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians are ONE, artificially divided people.

                Again. I am not a Ukrainian, I am a citizen of Ukraine. A single people, but different states. The USSR has long been gone, and modern Russia is clearly not a symbol of unification.
              15. Kars
                Kars 25 October 2013 19: 36
                +1
                I remember how my maternal grandmother (from Zaporizhzhya region) called her paternal grandfather (from the Tula region) k..tsap..skoy mug. And this was in the distant 80 during the USSR.
              16. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 25 October 2013 19: 45
                +5
                I am a Belarusian, born and live in Russia. And I'm proud of it. But the idea of ​​independence, primarily from Russia, was imposed on the Ukrainians by the Germans and later developed by them. For one, only purpose. Divide and rule. Please understand that Europe is an even worse symbol for unification than Russia. And now you have a tough choice, either with them or with us. You won’t be able to sit on two stools, whatever Azarov would promise you. So you agree that there is only one people, but you still hold on to the little egg, and remember the insults. You understand, industry and ordinary people will not suffer from integration with Russia, or do you think that Russia will immediately squeeze all the juices out of you?
              17. Akim
                Akim 25 October 2013 20: 22
                -1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                You understand, industry and ordinary people will not suffer from integration with Russia, or do you think that Russia will immediately squeeze all the juices out of you?

                Are you trying to convince me? What's the point? My voice has no weight in Ukrainian politics
              18. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 25 October 2013 20: 41
                +2
                Quote: Akim
                What's the point? My voice has no weight in Ukrainian politics

                Then what is the point of so zealously defending her? There are no saints there, I know that. Moreover, we have agreed on the main thing, ONE PEOPLE. good It is from this that we must build on conversations, and not from the search for contradictions. drinks
              19. Akim
                Akim 25 October 2013 20: 54
                -1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                I eat more that you and I agreed on the main thing - ONE PEOPLE

                Do not speculate. Remember the three times of declination.
            2. Botanologist
              Botanologist 25 October 2013 21: 43
              +4
              Quote: Akim
              My voice has no weight in Ukrainian politics


              Weight doesn't matter in politics. Promotion of ideology is important. We tell you that Ukrainians are brothers for Russians, even more brothers are one people. And in Europe you will come in large numbers. And the situation is that the authorities are trying to save their stolen goods by going to the EU. And you here translated everything into a very big offense for our rude words. Well, excuse me, we haven't finished conservatories.
            3. illarion
              illarion 26 October 2013 01: 35
              +1
              And why are they bothering you? They persuade: do not go away, stay with me. (Just like in a song). Fly, doves, let it be good for you.
        2. MIX58
          MIX58 25 October 2013 22: 47
          -1
          Quote: Akim
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I believe that Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians are ONE, artificially divided people.

          Again. I am not a Ukrainian, I am a citizen of Ukraine. A single people, but different states. The USSR has long been gone, and modern Russia is clearly not a symbol of unification.

          Quote: Akim
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I believe that Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians are ONE, artificially divided people.

          Again. I am not a Ukrainian, I am a citizen of Ukraine. A single people, but different states. The USSR has long been gone, and modern Russia is clearly not a symbol of unification.

          AND YOU ARE ASKED ---- NO ONE AND CALLING SUCH AS __ YOU ARE NOW .... YOU'RE NAME ____ LEGION BESOV !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        3. Akim
          Akim 26 October 2013 03: 15
          0
          Quote: MIC58
          AND YOU ARE ASKED ---- NO ONE AND CALL AS SUCH AS __ YOU

          Now I won’t go to the west.
    2. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 25 October 2013 20: 51
      +1
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians - THIS IS ONE

      not quite right
      Very close
      but nonetheless ... I consider myself Russian brothers.
      Revive Kievan Rus? Please ... only without Chechnya and other Caucasians. They have their own way and they are not Slavs.
  • MIX58
    MIX58 25 October 2013 22: 44
    -1
    Quote: Akim
    So they are building roads and houses. And in Moscow there are many Dzhamshutov and Rapshanov. The competition is great. As for the Poles, they do not need a visa. And for your information, German and English are seriously taught at their school. Not our education couple. Although my cousin is already so sweet in the language of Walter Skolt. and without any Cambridge. The truth is who Lenin does not know.
    Dear "SCOTT" ... when you AND ALL of your family learn our RUSSIAN language you can ... be "BOTTLES" and can read "Journey across the Three Seas" .. AFANASIA NIKITINA ????? !!!!!!! !!!!!!!

  • Akim
    Akim 26 October 2013 03: 14
    +1
    Quote: MIC58
    Dear "SCOTT" ... when you AND YOUR whole family learn our RUSSIAN language

    Fuck you natsik! Russian is the same as yours as mine. You probably do not have enough sober to separate the concept of "Russian" and "Russia".
  • Corsair
    Corsair 26 October 2013 09: 29
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    You probably do not have enough sober to separate the concept of "Russian" and "Russia".

    Strongly disagree with the position MIX58, but at the same time I will quote the phrase of Yushchenko, "blurted out" apparently out of thought:

    "Russia ends where the Russian language ends" ...

    As you understand (I hope), the Russian language is categorically not going to "give up its positions", and VERY MANY people consider it as their KIND.

    So, that is not all clear ...
  • Akim
    Akim 26 October 2013 09: 45
    +1
    Quote: Corsair
    Yushchenko, "blurted out" apparently out of thought:

    Yusch is a hidden nation. I remember how, with him, the synchrony in Ukrainian was imposed on interviews taken in Russian. I can watch films with Russian dubbing in cinemas in Odessa, paying the truth 5 hryvnias. But if a normal Ukrainian dubbing is not why.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 26 October 2013 10: 04
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Yusch is a hidden nation. I remember how, with him, the synchrony in Ukrainian was imposed on interviews taken in Russian.

    Again you are "attracted to personalities", I tell you about the influence of the Russian language (read Russia), and you about "dubbing".
    Remove "blinders", take a look at the situation globally. And this may help, if not prevent global shocks in Ukraine, then at least prepare for them ...
  • Akim
    Akim 26 October 2013 10: 25
    +1
    Quote: Corsair
    I tell you about the influence of the Russian language (read Russia), and you about the "dubbing".

    Same. Do not confuse Russian culture (and it is diverse depending on the region) with the politics of different rulers from one side or the other. And then some in the cartoon "Ilya Muromets and the Nightingale the Robber" may find a political rut.
    And about the apocalypse, honestly tired of listening.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 26 October 2013 10: 36
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    And about the apocalypse, honestly tired of listening.

    In this case, "Apocalypse" will be purely Ukrainian, "small-town" ...
  • Akim
    Akim 26 October 2013 10: 54
    +1
    Quote: Corsair
    "Apocalypse" will be purely Ukrainian, "small-town" ...

    It will be so. We got custom analytics. Yanyk wants a second term. It does not seem that his experts have not calculated the pros and cons of the Ukrainian economy. The people of Ukraine are not a herd of sheep, as Leontyev describes. In case of deterioration, the king will not sit on the throne for a long time.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 26 October 2013 12: 21
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    In case of deterioration, the king will not sit on the throne for a long time.

    We will "look" ...
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 25 October 2013 20: 49
    0
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Well, the Turks do not go to Moscow for third-rate work

    They’re going to Donetsk (Ukraine) ... oddly enough.
  • smile
    smile 25 October 2013 19: 28
    +6
    Akim
    Now there is a return of specialists from Germany to Russia.
    Disabled-stay and live on a welfare, working with work in Germany is very difficult. So come back. Even those whose parents went there for permanent residence are returning. Children finish their studies there and return to Russia.
    Their examples that I know returned at the age of 25-27 to their grandmothers, mothers or fathers who remained in Russia. Settled fine. so that you are wrong.
  • Akim
    Akim 25 October 2013 20: 24
    -1
    Quote: smile
    Settled fine. so that you are wrong.

    A large percentage? Can you wishful thinking?
  • smile
    smile 25 October 2013 22: 28
    +1
    Akim
    Currently, we are in the Kaliningrad region, comes more than going there. I can’t say what percentage (less in Russia than in the Kaliningrad region) I don’t remember. re-emigration is quite significant. The structure I have already indicated, returns mostly able-bodied and educated.
    I can say this data, as a result of personal informal communication with one of the senior comrades in the hierarchy of our FMS, I can’t indicate my name and position. If you wish, you can find references so beloved by the people, but will I be looking for laziness, will you swear? I said only that which I am convinced of the reliability. You can relate to this as you wish.
    In addition, I say this based on what I see and hear. Of the five families known to me personally, one whole family returned (everyone is able to work), the head of the family returned from one family (50 years), after 4 years his daughter was a pharmacologist (his wife and son remained in Germany), the third family returned to his son, a programmer (mother remained a pensioner). We communicate with the rest - at least half of them want to return - they are bad with work and don't like the attitude (there are no special problems with the language, they got used to it quickly enough). Some of their emigrants are being held back from re-emigration by the lack of housing in Russia;
    If you start to blame lies because I didn’t recognize the situation by reference, but let’s say first-hand, I won’t be offended. :)))
    Oh yes. I forgot to say, these statistics were published in the press, I personally read, so that the links should be, just need to look.
  • Akim
    Akim 26 October 2013 03: 21
    +1
    Quote: smile
    If you start to blame lies because I didn’t recognize the situation by reference, but let’s say first-hand, I won’t be offended. :)))

    I will not start. But the Kaliningrad region is not the whole of Russia. It’s like the Baltic states during the USSR.
  • smile
    smile 26 October 2013 07: 24
    +1
    Akim
    If I honestly doubt, none of us makes a facade, 95 gasoline - 35 rubles with copecks, our AMF application last year reported that we have the most expensive communal apartment in Russia - more expensive than in Moscow .... prices, far from the lowest in Russia ... salaries are, to put it mildly, not the highest, and there isn’t just wild investments, as it was in the Baltic states, they were the most subsidized republics of the USSR .... further, by the way, Georgia went.
    So that you are clearly mistaken, this is a fairly common mistake .... although the locals (to which I have not been able to classify myself for a quarter of a century (having entered the university)) are trying to be proud of their geographical location ... it is ridiculous to look at them. honestly, given that most did not penetrate Europe further. than 300 kilometers :))) But, it’s not clear why. here they don’t like Muscovites in half because of stupidity, in half because of propaganda on the separation of the exclave from Russia ... they could not break public opinion with the separation from Russia (hello anal and Givi Torgamadze) but Muscovites began to actively dislike ... disgusting, to be honest .... :))))
    I am glad that you did not ... you generally give the impression of a good person ... it’s a pity that sometimes you confuse our attitude towards your authorities with that towards Ukrainians and Ukraine ... honestly sorry ....
  • Akim
    Akim 26 October 2013 09: 09
    0
    There were really huge investments in the Baltic States, but it was not subsidized, but profitable. Especially the Latvian SSR. Buchs always start in well-fed areas. They rave about independence because they live boldly. And the Ukrainian SSR was no exception. In the late 90s, I went to Lviv as a cadet to compete at a local institute. From the zhrachk, it was clear why their well-fed belly advocated independence. When we were asked in the canteen when preparing the menu: What kind of tea will we be, Indian Ceylon, Georgian or Chinese. And then we are used to our wooden. Well, which is usually the whole army.
    There is power and opposition, there are just people, but in Russia recently they have been little divided. Or hatred of Saakashvili did not affect all Georgians? A similar situation with Ukraine. Read the message from MIX58.
    You, too, not everyone likes your wheels, but in defense of them and the country from external influences you will become a wall. Why do you think that we are sexots of our power?
  • smile
    smile 26 October 2013 09: 38
    +1
    Akim
    I agree, I put it wrongly, they simply invested much more in it than they received, I looked at the statistics for a long time. but in the first place Latvia, then Lithuania. Zhstoniya. Georgia - all republics received much more. what they earned .... but is this not a subsidy at the expense of everyone else? :))))
    About buchi, I agree .... kill God I do not know why so ....
    About Georgia, not so long ago, Georgians were terribly unhappy with that. that we don’t help them - even at the end of the Epozi Shevarnadze - I said that they were subsidized, and then bang-and ... well, who is to blame - we clear the pepper .... :))) Next. I'm sorry. but you have to admit. such Russophobic propaganda. what was going on under Mishiko-we did not expect and didn’t speak with us - they began not to the full extent and much later them .... well. the rest is all right ...
    about you ... no one considers you sexots ... even ours, in my opinion, do not consider it, although the propanda that everyone has, of course, influences .... Mik58 did not read, now I go to bed :))) if he I ran into the Ukrainians unreasonably, it’s everywhere everywhere, we pull them off, I, too, if they get caught .... you know what a thing. In my opinion, it is obvious that at this time your leadership is still more to blame for the deterioration of relations between our countries ... and you know why. Nevertheless, our propaganda should not be compared - our propaganda has nothing to do with dissatisfaction with the policies of the leadership of Ukraine and Zhirik ... nobody says anything, Ukrainians -....., official propaganda does not say who owes it to anyone years, so, non-systemic statements slip through ... without generalizations ...... if you say that no one says to you, m ... whether ... I can not believe it .... :))) I have repeatedly seen TV commercials with TV = s. calculations and conclusions. as far as Russia-kaka ... honestly, Ukraine doesn’t say anything like that ... even Zhirik ....
    and due to this, I'm sorry, the difference is many times ... insulting ... okay. I’m going to sleep ...
    and it's nice to even argue with you, that's why we will definitely chat later. Bye.
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 25 October 2013 20: 53
    0
    Quote: smile
    Now there is a return of specialists from Germany to Russia.

    source please specify?
    otherwise my friends from the MSC are thinking about blaming Europe for permanent work. (one mechanical engineer, the second programmer)
  • smile
    smile 25 October 2013 22: 36
    +1
    zmey_gadukin
    I answered Akim above. We all have different situations and friends are also different :)))
    Where are your friends going to blame, and in which specific country, can I say?
    And then the British from Britain are going to bring down much more than 30 percent - that is, about 30-40 percent more than ours - this information skipped on this site, dig through the archives, everything is there, you can probably even find an atomic bomb. :))))
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 26 October 2013 00: 34
    0
    Quote: smile
    Where are your friends going to blame, and in which specific country, can I say?

    Конечно.
    One Muscovite in the third generation, one ours, who left 10 years ago in Moscow
    Germany and Denmark.
    Machine-builder in Denmark, a program in Germany.
  • smile
    smile 26 October 2013 02: 38
    0
    zmey_gadukin
    Well, well, if you have found a job in advance, then perhaps they will be better there. This is especially true of the engineer. In principle, labor migration is a common thing - experts from Britain to the USA and vice versa travel in both directions. :)))
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 25 October 2013 21: 38
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    acquaintances from Peter got over


    Compare Peter with Kiev. Odessa is not an indicator here.
  • Akim
    Akim 26 October 2013 03: 24
    0
    Quote: Botanologist
    Odessa is not an indicator here.

    Odessa is the second most expensive city in Ukraine in terms of housing. Or are the prices per square meter in St. Petersburg more expensive than in Moscow?
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 25 October 2013 20: 48
    0
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    So Ours do not go to you, but we have a lot of yours.

    Ingvar, do not misinterpret it.
    Initially, with the union, and even now, they go primarily to the oil and gas development and production and exploration of other mineral deposits. What 40-60 years ago, what now, the whole structure of the former USSR is working there. So here by.
    Then, go to MSC and Peter. They went there with the union and now. In addition to the Ukrainians, there are still a bunch of Russian citizens (who have come in large numbers) and Tajiks, and Armenians, and Azerbaijanis, and Tatars, and ...
    Building. Yes, in Russia they build more and attract the power of Gaster. This is clear. Nobody argues with this. But here’s the question ... Why do Russians themselves not work? Why is gaster cheaper? Or are they more qualified? I can give an example from personal experience.
    Ramstore in Stavropol was built by 50% of Ukrainian companies. And why? Cheaper, better, and local experience is not in such construction. And the builders of the capital are too expensive. More expensive than hiring a company from behind a hill.
    Here is the answer. And the fact that colossal grandmas are now swaying in infrastructure construction in Russia does not get any better. Since otkinte kickbacks and bribes and money that leave for the cordon in the form of sn caster ... I would be sad in your place. And not happy about the rise.
    Nobody argues that now in Ukraine F ... but let's face it - Russia is not sweet either. But now to bring down oil and gas prices, it will not be fun at all ... God doesn’t ...
  • MIX58
    MIX58 25 October 2013 22: 14
    0
    Quote: Akim
    I also found Tarasy Bulba there.


    My dear ....: "and what did your Poles give you, creatures? ...." ... further a person with an "avatar in the form of" NIGER "... - do you want to know ????????? ???????????????? 7
  • Akim
    Akim 26 October 2013 03: 26
    0
    Quote: MIC58
    .further person with "avatar in the form of" NIGER "

    Answered above. With Natsik and racist conversation is over !!!
  • Simon
    Simon 25 October 2013 20: 42
    +1
    Your path is not right, at the fork you stand, like Ilya Muromets, at the stone. You need to choose the right road. fool
  • Xroft
    Xroft 25 October 2013 13: 01
    +8
    She will become an adult when she can conduct an independent policy .... in the meantime, we see the actual bankruptcy of the Ukrainian economy, not taking into account the interests of the millions of Russians who live in Ukraine, and many other problems.
    As the Italian parliamentarian (they wrote in an article on the site), Ukraine is invited to make dog collars at space plants ... A promising future!
    Look at Belarus and Kazakhstan and compare with the current situation in Ukraine. Protracted 90s. No offense, but we can only exist together.
  • Akim
    Akim 25 October 2013 13: 07
    0
    Quote: Xroft
    not taking into account the interests of millions of Russians who live in Ukraine,

    Oops. It has begun. I am neither Russian nor Ukrainian, but Russian-speaking. How not to take into account our interests?
  • Xroft
    Xroft 25 October 2013 13: 27
    +8
    From the whole post, you only paid attention to this? well does not take into account the interests of the people of Ukraine, which for something in the country had a normal standard of living? revived production? there were no blue parades? that Ukraine was not a center of prostitution for Europe (2nd place in the world after Thailand)? continue?
  • Akim
    Akim 25 October 2013 13: 42
    -5
    Quote: Xroft
    there were no blue parades?

    You are so excited about gay pride parades that Freud becomes suspicious. Well, I was in Kiev with us that year. First, their Cossacks dispersed them, then the Svobodovtsy muzzles cleaned them in the gateways. And their activists were poured kefir on the street for another two weeks.
    Everything else in your posts is stereotyped, like reports from central television channels. If they said about roads, about communications, about corruption, about increasing the criminal situation in the country, we can still agree with that. But these arguments are all above - a storm in a glass. Tomorrow - this will not happen abruptly.
  • Xroft
    Xroft 25 October 2013 13: 59
    +5
    I brought those things that cause more resonance. The list is certainly not complete, but I said I can continue. Just if you look at those countries that went on rapprochement with Russia, they don’t have such problems ...
    And corruption is now everywhere and everywhere, that the United States merges billions, that ours ..... This is the essence of capitalism as a whole, who at the helm and rowing with a shovel. Therefore, we need to unite and return to the bosom of socialism smile Even Europe understands this not for nothing that the last elections are won by socialists and ultra-right parties.
  • Akim
    Akim 25 October 2013 14: 31
    0
    Quote: Xroft
    those countries that have come closer to Russia have no such problems ...

    Yeah, right now. Ask the Kazakhs. But Russia is not the almamater of socialism, the same bourgeois country.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 25 October 2013 14: 53
    +3
    And what about the Kazakhs? Are you talking about a showdown with Baikonur?
  • Akim
    Akim 25 October 2013 15: 03
    -3
    Quote: Wedmak
    And what about the Kazakhs?

    What is their economy growing at a frantic pace? Or in Russia where there is cheap gas fixed in the 3rd quarter of stagnation. There is nothing to kick only on our economy. Its a little better.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 25 October 2013 16: 10
    +1
    There is nothing to kick only on our economy. Its a little better.

    Well, I would still say that not "a little", but better. At least production is being restored, including high-tech ones. Not everything is rosy and airy, but there is growth in all areas. Tell me, in which areas is there growth in the Ukrainian economy? Make you happy with something.
  • Akim
    Akim 25 October 2013 16: 22
    -3
    Quote: Wedmak
    Tell me, in what areas is there growth in the Ukrainian economy?

    The largest in agriculture. There is also engineering (but in some industries), instrumentation, energy, coal mining.
    Metal production has plummeted. There is almost no regression in overall indicators.
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 25 October 2013 20: 55
    -2
    Quote: Wedmak
    Tell me, in what areas is there growth in the Ukrainian economy?

    Now there is no growth, but no falls are also expected.
    Now everyone is waiting for November.
    And where the wind will blow, enterprises will be reconfigured there.
    I'm talking about smart and HOST, and nomads do not care where the vector of foreign policy.
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 25 October 2013 20: 58
    +3
    Quote: zmey_gadukin
    Now there is no growth, but no falls are also expected.
    It's hard to fall lying on the floor in the basement ... request
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 26 October 2013 00: 36
    0
    so get up
    I'm not in the basement
  • ksan
    ksan 25 October 2013 23: 01
    0
    zmey_gadukin (2) UA Today, 20:55 ↑

    Quote: Wedmak
    Tell me, in what areas is there growth in the Ukrainian economy?

    Now there is no growth, but no falls are also expected.
    Now everyone is waiting for November.
    And where the wind will blow, enterprises will be reconfigured there.
    I'm talking about smart and HOST, and nomads do not care where the vector of foreign policy.
    Yes, it is already clear that Yanukovych and Azarov said - "the European choice". And the factories that are "tied" to Russia or belong (maybe partially), I think, will not bend. The Russians themselves will not give them hi
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 26 October 2013 00: 38
    0
    Quote: ksan
    And the factories that are "tied" to Russia or belong (maybe partially), I think, will not bend.

    You are right.
    No wonder the Russians loot the loot
    they spat on the political confrontation
    Rosatom is not done with a finger. Do not hesitate to invest. So there "at the top", they gave the go-ahead
  • MIX58
    MIX58 25 October 2013 22: 28
    0
    [quote = Akim] You are so excited about gay pride parades, [/ quote

    My dear ...... I am worried in THIS LIFE ONLY ONE ,,,,, FOR HOW MANY you get us .., and how soon they will go; "SCREWS OF MOTHER ON THE BREAKER" ????????
  • 3.7.964
    3.7.964 25 October 2013 16: 00
    +7
    Quote: Akim
    Oops. It has begun. I am neither Russian nor Ukrainian, but Russian-speaking. How not to take into account our interests?

    Akim! No offense will be said, but Schuster had one in the wings, and not Russian, not Ukrainian, and not even a Jew. Something, Mustafa Nayyem, everything was for Ukraine and the Ukrainian people were worried. You are not from this cohort for an hour?
  • Akim
    Akim 25 October 2013 16: 11
    -3
    Quote: 3.7.964
    Mustafa Nayem

    Mustafa is an expat. Let from childhood. I was born in the USSR in Ukraine. More than 130 nationalities live in Ukraine.
    You yourself know. Everyone gives the same rights. Bulgarians in the Odessa region attend schools in Bulgarian, Magyars in Ternopol in Hungarian, Greeks in Donetsk in their language. But this does not mean that this is not their country.
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 25 October 2013 20: 57
    +1
    Akim, I wonder when your personal minusers will be reassured by admins, for unreasonable and frequent minuses?
    moreover, in your comments I do not see anything offensive or incorrect)))
  • Akim
    Akim 25 October 2013 21: 02
    +2
    Quote: zmey_gadukin
    when your personal minusers will be reassured by admins, for unreasonable and frequent minuses?

    Once put cons - it means hooked.
  • MIX58
    MIX58 25 October 2013 22: 23
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Oops. It has begun. I am neither Russian nor Ukrainian, but Russian-speaking. How not to take into account our interests?

    Hey - dear .. I understand it’s not customary to speak loudly about your nation !!! ????? AND WHY I RUSS should take into account some unclear interests ????
  • Simon
    Simon 25 October 2013 20: 35
    +2
    Only this child has no mind yet. request
  • Akim
    Akim 25 October 2013 20: 42
    0
    Quote: Simon
    Only this child has no mind yet

    The eternal excuse of parents.
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 25 October 2013 21: 33
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    in Russia still consider themselves responsible for Ukraine according to Saint-Exupery


    When they traded for gas, Russia was considered responsible for Ukraine according to Kuchma, then according to Tymoshenko, then according to Yanukovych.
    Tradition s. request
  • Akim
    Akim 26 October 2013 03: 31
    0
    Quote: Botanologist
    When they traded for gas, Russia was considered responsible for Ukraine according to Kuchma, then according to Tymoshenko, then according to Yanukovych.

    Throw your pitfalls and a fairy tale about cheap gas there. This is the same composition as with the Tu-160 or the Varyag. The society was given a visible excuse to write off the blame on one side. Actually hand soap hand.
  • Simon
    Simon 25 October 2013 20: 34
    0
    Your charter is too bad. yes
    1. Akim
      Akim 25 October 2013 20: 39
      -1
      Quote: Simon
      Your charter is too bad

      But ours.
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 25 October 2013 21: 31
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    with his charter to a foreign monastery


    Actually, I do not climb. I am only expressing my point of view on the geopolitical consequences of the actions of the Ukrainian authorities. It seems to me that if Russia does not unite Ukraine into an alliance, it will have to "eat the running rhinoceros in pieces," as they say in Africa. Geopolitics, her mother. In addition, I have half of my relatives in Ukraine, I can imagine the mood of the people.
    1. Akim
      Akim 26 October 2013 03: 34
      +1
      Quote: Botanologist
      It seems to me that if Russia does not unite Ukraine into a union,

      And it seems to me that they still don’t understand .. that Ukraine may be a poor but proud state and it is necessary to speak with it on equal terms, and not in the third person
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 26 October 2013 09: 14
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        And it seems to me that they still don’t understand .. that Ukraine may be a poor but proud state and it is necessary to speak with it on equal terms, and not in the third person

        Your commentary is very much reminiscent of the popular toast-parable "About a small but proud bird ..." from L. Gaidai's great comedy "Prisoner of the Caucasus" wink
      2. Akim
        Akim 26 October 2013 09: 50
        0
        Quote: Corsair
        "from the great comedy" Prisoner of the Caucasus "by L. Gaidai

        And you all live in those times. The team has already become a different inside.
      3. Corsair
        Corsair 26 October 2013 10: 30
        0
        Quote: Akim
        And you all live in those times. The team has already become a different inside.

        Yes, God bless him, the team (one thing is not clear why you are not satisfied with the "company" of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan request ?) ... A collective decision has always been and will be the only right one.

        It's more about a "proud" but apparently stupid "little bird".
  • MIX58
    MIX58 25 October 2013 22: 08
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk - to Russia.


    My dear ... but what do you think in what coffin and how many times ALL RUSSIAN EMPIERS turn over, just from the thought that the SUM province is not RUSSIA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! ??????????????????????????????????????
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 25 October 2013 16: 52
    0
    And Kiev is in between the dams? laughing
  • 3.7.964
    3.7.964 25 October 2013 12: 48
    +8
    Quote: Akim
    A bunch of social. polls. Here is the arithmetic mean and selected.

    If you watched Schuster Life, you probably noticed that at the beginning of the program people were forced to vote on a thematic issue, then for several hours they were brainwashed with the help of paid politicians, and at the end they were again forced to vote, and the picture is completely different. I repeat, but in Ukraine, lies are widespread, flowing from television screens.
    1. Akim
      Akim 25 October 2013 12: 55
      +2
      Quote: 3.7.964
      in the end, again forced to vote, and the picture is completely different

      Listen, I worked on television. Yes, in this situation, the voices of those who do not count in the studio at all, but show the necessary numbers. This is the entourage of the vote. There are other social. polls. They are not printed in Nete.
      1. MIX58
        MIX58 25 October 2013 23: 57
        0
        ----
        Quote: Akim
        Listen, I worked on television.

        .... served in the "tsikhala" ... central district ... mi-6 ... and so on ... other ...
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 25 October 2013 13: 12
    +4
    Quote: Akim
    A bunch of social. polls. Here is the arithmetic mean and selected.


    do not consider it for work, try to describe the "average" Ukrainian, well, the very one who is 50%, then the second and those who abstained, in general terms.
    1. Akim
      Akim 25 October 2013 13: 25
      0
      Quote: seller trucks
      try to describe the "average" Ukrainian,

      Well, found Pikul! I can’t do this. There are opinion polls that are ordered by the authorities and the opposition. There are opinion polls that are funded by the Communist Party and the Medvedchuk party. They are diametrical. You take them, add them, and then divide by two. It turns out about half to half (not to be confused with 50%: 50%) supporters and opponents. For a clearer figure, take three polls on each side.
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 25 October 2013 14: 40
        +6
        Quote: Akim
        Well, found Pikul! I can’t do this. There are opinion polls that are ordered by the authorities and the opposition. There are opinion polls that are funded by the Communist Party and the Medvedchuk party. They are diametrical. You take them, add them, and then divide by two. It turns out about half to half (not to be confused with 50%: 50%) supporters and opponents. For a clearer figure, take three polls on each side.


        Akim, for the garlic, you are trying to prove something, only at the end of the postscript he picks up "Mom, I swear" or something like that.
        1. Akim
          Akim 25 October 2013 15: 11
          -2
          Quote: seller trucks
          you are trying to prove something, only at the end of postscript

          For a long time on this site I’m not trying this. Do not believe - do not. Yes, bring me some numbers, you can always say that they are left-handed or custom-made. You want to perceive only information positive to your hearing. This does not happen. Of course, what would please me that I would submit: They say that everything is for the CU, and only politicians want to go to Europe. Any online forum is an interest club and an alternative opinion is not welcome here.
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 25 October 2013 15: 36
            +3
            Quote: Akim
            Do not believe - do not.


            about faith, if only Faith in God.

            Quote: Akim
            You want to perceive only information positive to your hearing.


            I, as a real giant, care

            Quote: Akim
            Like, we have everything for the CU, and only politicians want to go to Europe.


            I do not conduct polls, but with those with whom I communicate, they just laugh


            Quote: Akim
            an alternative opinion is not welcome here.


            constructively good I welcome, under the weight of "iron" arguments, I am ready to admit defeat, but an argument like "50/50 based on social polls" is at least ridiculous
          2. Akim
            Akim 25 October 2013 15: 47
            0
            Quote: seller trucks
            but an argument like "50/50 based on social polls" is at least ridiculous

            Here is the simplest example (found in 5 minutes)
            http://www.capital.ua/news/7380-ukraintsy-otdayut-predpochtenie-evrope-pered-ts
            http://odnarodyna.com.ua/node/15905
            Add, divide and see approximately the same number. All polls are custom!
            PS And defeat or victory does not need to be considered anything. We do not compete in sports.
        2. regsSSSR
          regsSSSR 25 October 2013 23: 19
          0
          Quote: Akim
          50/50

          it’s vryatli! if only it would be 50 to 50, then having no fear, the top would be happy a long time ago to have held a national referendum in favor of the EU and would have echoed a couple of percent ears, with such a beautiful and promising euro advertisement, it would have been easy to do!
          and since they are pulling with a referendum, blinking away from him like a fire and delaying it to the last, or even just giving it up! it means that the situation is completely opposite in the percentage of Staron and is clearly not in favor of anyone who didn’t read and publish their data. And until an honest referendum is held, all these 50 to 50 again look like an attempt to sit on two chairs

          Akim
          Any online forum is an interest club and an alternative opinion is not welcome here


          I agree) they are not prevailed but considered as an objective opinion all the same the purpose of the forum!
          and since you really and long ago then why did you write 50 to 50)) all the same, exact (objective) voices given on the basis of voices do not exist and only approximate arefmitic equality is true! Well, we would write then 49 to 51 smile thereby giving a controlling block of votes in favor of the TC would personally demonstrate their attitude to a particular country! I understand that it doesn’t matter to you, but it would be nice for us)) that here it’s supposedly one person, all the same, in spite of all the problems of our states, stands for the unification of peoples)) and it turns out that ..
          seller trucks (1)
          an argument like "50/50 based on social polls" is at least ridiculous


          and this is an objective truth hi
        3. Akim
          Akim 26 October 2013 03: 38
          0
          Quote: regressSSSR
          it’s vryatli! if only it would have been 50 to 50, then no fear, the top would be glad long ago I would have already held a national referendum in favor of the EU

          Read carefully. Nobody has joined the EU yet, but they are already inviting the CU. There will be a choice between unions, then they will ask. If there is a day, there will be food.
      2. MIX58
        MIX58 26 October 2013 00: 07
        0
        Quote: Akim
        , and only politicians want to Europe.


        .... ёёёёёёё ... I don’t think that you are a politician ... well, HOW ARE YOU? !!! (bestiality ... sodomy ... pedophilia, against the backdrop of the Dutch ganjubas) .... toby flag - gifblakitny ... at the place where I have the place !!!!!!!!!!!! !
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 25 October 2013 16: 46
    +1
    I’m embarrassed to ask how did you determine?
    With whom he didn’t talk, everyone understands that those miserable remnants of their own production will fall and be destroyed.
    1. Akim
      Akim 25 October 2013 16: 54
      0
      Quote: Forestman
      I’m embarrassed to ask how did you determine?

      To whom is the question or whose reprise is the question? You think it’s so easy to keep track of everything with the thread of the conversation?
      1. Lesnik
        Lesnik 25 October 2013 17: 17
        +5
        Dear don't be so nervous smile this is to 50/50.
        With your permission, I will continue:
        With the help of the media in the Ukrainian media space, a special operation is carried out to psychologically deceive the population. I hope you agree with this statement. I'm not talking about Russia, the EU, or the United States.
        Further, it should be clearly understood that by adjusting the legislation of Ukraine to the EU norms, the government does not set the task of facilitating and improving the life of its own population, but this is done for the quick and comfortable entry of transnational corporations. And the first steps of these "Altruistic wassat "economic conglomerates will be destroyed up to physical internal production in Ukraine. What will follow this, I think, is not worth explaining.
        1. Akim
          Akim 25 October 2013 17: 32
          +1
          Quote: Forestman
          With the help of the media in the Ukrainian media space, a special operation is carried out to psychologically deceive the population.

          Yes, our current life is all a media special operation.
          When young people on the street answer me that the "April 10" square is the day of the liberation of Odessa, and Marshal Zhukov is a great commander, and not a character from the movie "Liquidation", then I will believe in the honesty of our media. While this is a means of making money, moreover in an easy way. I, too, is not without sin, I have adapted in this cesspool.
          1. Lesnik
            Lesnik 25 October 2013 17: 41
            +2
            So back to 50/50.
            I personally communicated (not to be confused with brainwashing, but in a personal conversation about the destruction of the economy, I didn’t tell but told me) with a fairly large number of people in Ukraine.
            So this sample seems to me, let's say, "somewhat incorrect"
            1. Akim
              Akim 25 October 2013 17: 54
              0
              Quote: Forestman
              So this sample seems to me, let's say, "somewhat incorrect"

              Do you work in the field of sociology? It's one thing to communicate. In this situation, the discussion is not about the destruction of industry, but about the Association's YES-NO. Even some uncle Sidor does not want the EU. because Pestruska’s milk will not be accepted there, and his neighbor, on the contrary, because he leased the land to tenants, and they grow rapeseed there. Different situations sea
              1. Lesnik
                Lesnik 25 October 2013 20: 29
                0
                I do not believe sociologists I do not believe sociological polls !!!!! I think with my own head and I advise you !!!!
  • Old skeptic
    Old skeptic 25 October 2013 10: 12
    +3
    What are reviews? Whining in the forums?

    Where are you doing?

    Or "There are few real violent, so there are no leaders?"
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 25 October 2013 10: 19
      +2
      Do you want a second revolution? Or civil war? In my opinion, by legal means, Ukraine cannot be turned to Russia before Russia.
      1. Old skeptic
        Old skeptic 25 October 2013 10: 26
        10
        This is the problem of Ukrainians. Their factories will be closed, they will lose jobs (look at the Baltic "tigers"), they will be on the European panel. I’m not a prophet, but I don’t believe that the future of the Ukrainian people is worried about the future of the Ukrainian people (Vola is not called beer, but they want to carry water on it ...).
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 25 October 2013 10: 36
          +4
          For some reason I don’t feel sorry for the Baltic cats ... These themselves have gone too far. But Ukraine somehow .. yes.
          1. Old skeptic
            Old skeptic 25 October 2013 10: 38
            +1
            But in vain. Everywhere our people.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 25 October 2013 10: 43
              +1
              Well I do not know. Here is my attitude ... has developed.
              1. Old skeptic
                Old skeptic 25 October 2013 10: 55
                +4
                You have to be kinder.
                Goodwill, patience (not to be confused with tolerance) and composure are the best qualities of a warrior. (with)
                And alarmists and tantrums need to be shot.
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 25 October 2013 11: 52
                  +2
                  You have to be kinder.

                  Yes! That is why I am already thinking about purchasing Saiga.
                2. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 25 October 2013 12: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: Old Skeptic
                  And alarmists and tantrums need to be shot

                  You said it well about kindness. good
        2. alone
          alone 25 October 2013 10: 38
          +2
          It is up to the Ukrainians to decide what to do. It’s time to leave them alone. Well, they certainly don’t need advice like Leontiev. For good hiring, whatever they want says.
          1. kavkaz8888
            kavkaz8888 25 October 2013 12: 38
            +3
            Hiring, not hiring, Leontyev said something wrong ??
            If your brother brings some insolent, will you look passively from the side? At least explain to the brother that he is being bred. If possible, neutralize the loader.
            By the way, I was in the Azerbaijan SSR (1987) and was in Azerbaijan (2004-7). So, my conclusion is that they lived better under the Union.
            1. alone
              alone 25 October 2013 13: 53
              +1
              so this is your conclusion, my dear)) and now just come again in 2014 and see the real situation with your own eyes and realize that you are mistaken)) after all, almost 9 with a little years have passed since your last visit.
              1. tomas.09
                tomas.09 25 October 2013 15: 17
                +5
                What to watch then? You don’t have to go anywhere. Sex of Azerbaijan in Russia !!!
                1. alone
                  alone 25 October 2013 22: 29
                  +1
                  our in Russia is only 600 thousand with a little. the rest are your citizens.
                2. kavkaz8888
                  kavkaz8888 26 October 2013 09: 30
                  0
                  I do not judge. Nobody. Never.
                  If I start to evaluate Azerbaijan by those who rub in the markets, you will become one step with some kind of Limpopo. But I know other of you too. I perfectly understand that these 600 thousand are basically “not the elite”.
                  9 years a lot. You can change a lot. Happy for you.
                3. tomas.09
                  tomas.09 27 October 2013 09: 59
                  0
                  Judging by the markets, it’s not at all 600 thousand, add another zero !!!
    2. Old skeptic
      Old skeptic 25 October 2013 11: 09
      +4
      Quote: Wedmak
      Do you want a second revolution? Or civil war? In my opinion, by legal means, Ukraine cannot be turned to Russia before Russia.


      Not in front, but face, or rather to stand next to, which is called "shoulder to shoulder".
      And then you agree so, to "back to geyrope", and this is fraught.
    3. vlad_pr
      vlad_pr 25 October 2013 12: 33
      0
      There will be no revolutions or civil wars there. As in some film, the main character (Ukrainian) said in relation to the Russians - "we are different." This is their choice and their right, and there is no need to interfere with them. Let's take what is happening for granted.
      Sincerely.
  • alexng
    alexng 25 October 2013 11: 29
    +6
    And we need Ukraine to help with joining the EU, taking a step on the side, on the principle of aiki-do, let their heads break themselves with all the foolishness. Apparently, it doesn’t reach another.
    1. vlad_pr
      vlad_pr 25 October 2013 13: 25
      +3
      There is a more ancient principle, the attacker - pull, the falling - push. Jigaro Kano put this into the principle of Ju-Do (or Ju-After?). In relation to Ukraine, let's not apply these principles. Let it be as it will, say the magic word "husim", and wait. There was no other left.
      Sincerely.
  • major071
    major071 25 October 2013 09: 34
    16
    MIHAN 
    Well, Leontiev ha ha ha)) But in fact instead of military parades, gay parades will be forced to hold Ah Ukraine ...

    They will also make joint parades of gays with fascists to hold. Western tolerance and democracy. Both must be protected.
    In reality, you will not envy Ukraine now. Russia pulls in the CU, Europe in the EU. Power divides the loot, the people are silent in a rag and waiting for manna from heaven.
  • andr1966a
    andr1966a 25 October 2013 09: 40
    +1
    I don’t understand much about the future of the CU, but this union didn’t give me or my family anything, nor did I join the WTO. As prices went up and up, they basically remained Chinese goods. And Ukraine goes to the EU , let's see what happens and compare
    1. vlad_pr
      vlad_pr 25 October 2013 11: 42
      10
      Don't tell me, there are much more "consumer goods", as they said before, from Belarus. The quality with the Russian one is incomparable, especially shoes, underwear, long-term storage canned milk, etc. (for example, buy Belarusian and our Union of something there). In addition, we buy some electronics for the office, in terms of price-quality-reliability-functionality ratio, Belarusian wins in almost all parameters, it became profitable after the creation of the vehicle, bad restrictions and obstacles are gone.
      Sincerely.
  • Akim
    Akim 25 October 2013 09: 41
    -1
    Leontev is the same corrupt skin. I came to Odessa, "kissed" with Bandos Markov
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 25 October 2013 10: 04
      +9
      Quote: Akim
      I came to Odessa, "kissed" with Bandos Markov
      Well, yes, Markov is a gangster, I won’t argue. And what, he is the ONLY Rada, who has problems with the law? That this is so sticking out?
      Right now, a whole bunch of tents has been deployed all over Simferopol, and the campaign for Mirimsky’s resignation is being developed. Mountains of compromising evidence, BUT nowhere and not a word is mentioned WHO is behind it and WHO is planned to be pushed into its place. FULL impersonality, which cannot but alarm. At the same time, Mirimsky is indeed quite far from ideal, but only against the background of all the other rich people of Simferopol and Crimea, he looks significantly more decent ... request
      1. Akim
        Akim 25 October 2013 10: 13
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        And what, he is the ONLY Rada, who has problems with the law? That this is so sticking out?

        They are full of them. Every second. But in this example, the main one is not Markov, but Leontyev.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 25 October 2013 10: 23
          13
          Quote: Akim
          They are full of them. Every second.

          Well, if the head of state is judged for a hopstop, what else can I say laughing
          1. Akim
            Akim 25 October 2013 10: 30
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, if the head of state is tried for a hopstop

            Have you lived in Donetsk or Enakievo? Those who did not sit there did not sit.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 25 October 2013 10: 35
              +4
              Quote: Akim
              Have you lived in Donetsk or Enakievo?

              No, at the time of the hopstop I lived in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
              Quote: Akim
              Those who did not sit there did not sit.

              Yes, the same garbage wassat
              1. Akim
                Akim 25 October 2013 10: 45
                -4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Yes, the same garbage

                Here he is caught. But his criminal record was removed from him in the days of the USSR, so there is no corruption in this.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 25 October 2013 11: 57
                  +7
                  Quote: Akim
                  . But his criminal record was removed from him in the days of the USSR

                  The extinguished conviction and not convicted person are two different things.
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 25 October 2013 12: 04
                    -1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    The extinguished conviction and not convicted person are two different things.

                    There is no dispute. Only if the killer was not caught does not mean that he is a crystal man.
                2. Lesnik
                  Lesnik 25 October 2013 18: 07
                  +1
                  Well, yes, it turns out there is no corruption, but there is a criminal record (or vice versa, now there is no corruption and then a criminal record)? So I want to quote laughing joke about Little Johnny and logic laughing
                  Absolutely illogical! this your demagogy reminds transfusion from empty to empty of our and their democrats
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 25 October 2013 18: 10
                    0
                    Quote: Forestman
                    Well, yes, it turns out there is no corruption, but is there a criminal record?

                    Maybe the other way around?
                    1. Lesnik
                      Lesnik 25 October 2013 20: 35
                      +1
                      It is difficult to say anything in terms of commonplace erudition and democracy around the world wink
                    2. MIX58
                      MIX58 26 October 2013 00: 16
                      0
                      Quote: Akim
                      Well, yes, it turns out there is no corruption, but is there a criminal record?
                      Maybe the other way around?

                      Lyubezny, and Odessa raiders were all Jews ???? Or the Jews were all Odessa raiders ??????
            2. grafrozow
              grafrozow 25 October 2013 10: 47
              +1
              Quote: Akim
              Have you lived in Donetsk or Enakievo? Those who did not sit there did not sit .. I am from the second.
              +++++ Artyomovsk, Kramatorsk, Gorlovka ... Here YOU are right, he himself lived in Artyomovsk, on the "telegraph". It's a troubled time now in Ukraine, but it's too early to bury it
            3. Corsair
              Corsair 25 October 2013 10: 59
              15
              Quote: Akim
              Have you lived in Donetsk or Enakievo? Those who did not sit there did not sit.

              But you are lying ... Does it bother me that I, as an OWNER, can refute this Fiction?
              For example, at that time I did not rob, did not steal, I was not engaged in racketeering and seizure of enterprises. AND SUCH in the Donbass overwhelming majority.

              I don’t knowAkimthat you were "pinched" by the so-called "Donetsk", BUT I will not allow "DRIVE" to Donbass!
              1. Akim
                Akim 25 October 2013 11: 23
                -1
                Quote: Corsair
                For example, at that time I did not rob, did not steal, I did not racket and seize enterprises

                And I did not rob and did not steal. But I went to fight for Kolya, because Kolya is a friend of Vasya, and Vasya is a friend of Petya, and I never saw this Petya in my eyes. Crowd at the crowd. And the police chased us. And she sat down for a hooligan. And I know what gop stops are in the area. It’s better not to go alone without mase. And it was dangerous to walk around the neighboring region without a homemade bomb or a bomb. And how my classmate was stabbed to argue on a nearby street. Being begets consciousness.
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 25 October 2013 11: 37
                  +5
                  Quote: Akim
                  And the police chased us. And she sat down for a hooligan.

                  Do not equate the kid "little thing" for which the cops could simply "give 3,14zdy" with a REAL criminal environment.
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 25 October 2013 11: 40
                    0
                    Quote: Corsair
                    Do not equalize the little thing

                    And when did he sit? Kid. Yes, and an orphan. Stopudovo unreliable element.
                    1. Corsair
                      Corsair 25 October 2013 12: 35
                      +2
                      Quote: Akim
                      And when did he sit? Kid. Yes, and an orphan. Stopudovo unreliable element.

                      I have GENERALIZED you, and you poke Yanyka to me.
                      If so, then in his "exploits" there was 1000% crime. And there is no need for "a difficult childhood and concrete toys" ...
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 25 October 2013 11: 58
                  10
                  Quote: Akim
                  For example, I didn’t rob at that time,

                  Quote: Akim

                  And I did not rob and did not steal.

                  That's why both of you are sitting on a site, not in the Rada. wassat
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 25 October 2013 12: 32
                    +4
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    That's why both of you are sitting on a site, not in the Rada.

                    But, as practice shows, on different sides of the "front" ...
                3. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 25 October 2013 12: 19
                  +4
                  Quote: Akim
                  And I did not rob and did not steal. But I went to fight for Kolya, because Kolya is a friend of Vasya, and Vasya is a friend of Petya, and I never saw this Petya in my eyes. Crowd at the crowd. And the police chased us

                  Well, you remembered. Good old days ... It was in every city, and in villages too. Street to street, district to district. But there is no crime in this. But hopstop is a completely different matter.
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 25 October 2013 12: 31
                    0
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    But there is no crime in this. But hopstop is a completely different matter.

                    When you fit, God forbid your stomach is pierced, you will not say that there was no crime. Everything is tough.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 25 October 2013 12: 45
                      +2
                      It was different. But honestly. I also had armature in my hands.
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 25 October 2013 12: 49
                        -1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        I also had armature in my hands.

                        We have already moved away from the topic. And this is not crime in your opinion?
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 25 October 2013 14: 11
                        +3
                        Quote: Akim
                        And this is not crime in your opinion?

                        Crime. Lawn parking is also a crime. We will not reduce everything to commonplace. He was not accused of a fight, and not of crossing the street in the wrong place. But in a real crime.
                      3. Akim
                        Akim 25 October 2013 14: 33
                        -4
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        But in a real crime.

                        Hat on a youngster. It happens. And thieves are now being bought off by millions from more terrible crimes. And they vote for them.
                      4. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 25 October 2013 15: 55
                        +3
                        Quote: Akim
                        It happens. And thieves are now being bought off by millions from more terrible crimes.

                        And he is soft and fluffy, lives on a salary. The same thief, and also receives kickbacks. Just do not poke in response to Putin, I myself know that he, too, is not an angel. But I, unlike you, do not tear a vest on his chest for him.
                      5. Akim
                        Akim 25 October 2013 16: 14
                        -3
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        The same thief, and also receives kickbacks.

                        Even worse. But everyone remembers his hat. Someone else has squeezed the house out of him, as if the saints themselves.
  • 222222
    222222 25 October 2013 10: 14
    +3
    You better read on the Internet what the authorities are doing with Igor Markov now. Watch the programs of his TV channel ..
    1. Akim
      Akim 25 October 2013 10: 22
      0
      Quote: 222222
      Watch the programs of his TV channel.

      Now I’ll cry. Thief and thug must be in jail! And his ATV screams so much, so the journalist pays money for it. Or can you tell how in 2010 at the local elections, his people scared the people at home? Or how were polling stations kept under siege for 2 days?
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 25 October 2013 10: 30
        +7
        Quote: Akim
        Or can he tell how in the 2010 year at the local elections, his people scared the people at home? Or how were polling stations besieged for 2 days?

        And also tell WHY he was taken for gusno right now, when he began to "roll a barrel" on Yanukovych, and not in 10th year ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 25 October 2013 10: 35
          -4
          Quote: Corsair
          now, when he began to "roll a barrel" on Yanukovych, and not in 10th year ...

          Crossed the road. Type in Russia is wrong? With the same Bulk.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 25 October 2013 10: 50
            +4
            Quote: Akim
            Type in Russia is wrong? With the same Bulk.

            Zavalny was not a ONE-PARTY or BROTHER TOGO whom you mean. Such parallels are not appropriate.
            Navalny "rocked the boat", for which he paid. WHAT Markov "rocked" is a QUESTION ...
            1. Akim
              Akim 25 October 2013 11: 01
              -1
              Quote: Corsair
              Zavalny was not a ONE-PARTY and BROTHER of the one you had in mind. Such parallels are not appropriate.

              And Kasyanov was the whole prime minister, and became an outcast. Do not look for 100% similarities. These are all close examples.
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 25 October 2013 12: 20
                +4
                Quote: Akim
                And Kasyanov was a whole premiere, and became an outcast. Do not look for 100% similarities. These are all close examples.

                And Yusch was both a banker and a prime minister and president, and so what?
                1. Akim
                  Akim 25 October 2013 12: 33
                  -1
                  Quote: Corsair
                  and banker and prime minister and president, and so what?

                  But he did not go in the same harness with the current government. Although it can be an example. True, they do not touch him.
        2. 222222
          222222 25 October 2013 11: 13
          +3
          Here Akim correctly noted. "Svoi" Pts rarely quarrel over politics .. There is little likelihood of politics .. Rather, some kind of economic showdown Some kind of tidbit was not shared. And who is stronger - that one hits hard and hurts .. Who will benefit from this?
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 25 October 2013 10: 36
        +2
        Quote: Akim
        what the authorities are doing with Igor Markov now

        Quote: Akim
        . Thief and thug must be in jail!

        And who is he at all? Enlighten, otherwise laziness on the Internet to delve into the next politician.
        1. Akim
          Akim 25 October 2013 10: 49
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And who is he at all?

          Member of Parliament, whom the court stripped of his mandate. Now he says that he is being persecuted for his position on rapprochement with Russia, but this is all a wrapper. Like everything on top of the mercantile H ... M ... Oh!
      3. 222222
        222222 25 October 2013 10: 51
        10
        Something I didn’t notice that his people scared me at home .. Don’t laugh men too much. Do not tell tales. But when there were garbage containers near my house and they were served by Markov's company, there were more cleanliness. Garbage was taken out twice a day and the containers were washed .. What can’t you say now .. A thief and a bandit, as you put it, should be in prison by the decision of the COURT .. By the way, there is an article for defamation ..so. what's in jail right away?
        1. Akim
          Akim 25 October 2013 11: 08
          +1
          Quote: 222222
          But when there were garbage containers near my house and they were served by Markov’s company, there were more cleanliness

          Yes, yes, yes .. You still remember how he was biting from behind a dump. And how did his people in the city council become deputies? The same Dimitriev with secondary education and hostages at a polling station in the Malinovsky district. I can tell a lot more. There is only one conclusion - he is a gangster (but not a chaos).
          1. 222222
            222222 25 October 2013 11: 24
            +3
            Quote from AKIM: "I can tell a lot more." .. In Odessa, every grandmother on Privoz can tell a lot ..
            1. Akim
              Akim 25 October 2013 11: 28
              +1
              Quote: 222222
              In Odessa, every grandmother at Privoz can tell a lot.

              Naturally it can. Everyone has their own opinion. Someone measures the amount of garbage taken out, someone squeezed the territory for them.
              1. 222222
                222222 25 October 2013 11: 38
                +1
                Quote: Akim: "Someone measures the amount of garbage taken out, someone squeezes out the territory for themselves." ..Well ... it turns out there is another Side. which squeezes the territory in its direction .. ???
                1. Akim
                  Akim 25 October 2013 11: 42
                  0
                  Quote: 222222
                  ..it turns out there is another side. which presses the territory in its direction .. ???

                  I say - crossed the road. If the mayor of Kostusev were planted nearby, it would be right. But you have to start with someone. And then they got it!
                  1. 222222
                    222222 25 October 2013 11: 51
                    0
                    Quotes from Akim: "I say - I crossed the road. If only Mayor Kostusev ..." ... He smiled again ..
      4. Akim
        Akim 27 October 2013 13: 28
        0
        Quote: Akim
        And his ATV screams so much, so the journalist pays money for it.

        How they protest, even an illusion may appear that he is such a fighter!

        Today's air temperature. good
        1. Akim
          Akim 27 October 2013 19: 50
          0
          Quote: Akim
          an illusion may appear that he is such a fighter!

          "Poor, Poor" Markov. Tfew
          1. Akim
            Akim 27 October 2013 23: 17
            0
            None of the Ukrainian channels (except for him) and current Ukrainian politicians subscribe for Markov.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 25 October 2013 10: 18
    +5
    Quote: Akim
    I came to Odessa, "kissed" with Bandos Markov

    Why are you on all branches "poking your" Markovs in the eyes "?
    The bandits in power are YOUR problem, solve it, and do not stick it out anywhere ...
    1. Akim
      Akim 25 October 2013 10: 32
      -4
      Quote: Corsair
      Why are you on all branches "poking your" Markovs in the eyes "?

      They infuriated Vesti, the main mouthpiece of the Kremlin.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 25 October 2013 10: 38
        +1
        Quote: Akim

        They infuriated Vesti, the main mouthpiece of the Kremlin.

        Watched VESTI, there is another Markov from SK
        1. Akim
          Akim 25 October 2013 10: 54
          -1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Watched NEWS

          Ether for 23,10 20,00
          1. Old skeptic
            Old skeptic 25 October 2013 11: 30
            +1
            And what did the "Kremlin" not please you?
            1. Akim
              Akim 25 October 2013 11: 34
              0
              Quote: Old Skeptic
              And what did the "Kremlin" not please you?

              I do not like your power. However, like ours too. This one is even bigger. But these are our poop and we need to clean them. His gumno dearer.
              1. Old skeptic
                Old skeptic 25 October 2013 11: 42
                +6
                Power is not a girl, to like it, it must work.
                Good or bad, this is a different question.

                And for Russia, Ukraine is not a stranger.
                1. Walker1975
                  Walker1975 25 October 2013 21: 54
                  0
                  Does power work in Russia? So open another interview with Leontyev. where he says that the situation in Russia is such that even the population is sorry for him. Note - the Russian population, which, as I understand it, has reached such a state under the leadership of the Russian authorities.
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              2. Corsair
                Corsair 25 October 2013 11: 43
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                I do not like your power. However, like ours too.

                Yes you, my friend, an anarchist fellow !
                1. Akim
                  Akim 25 October 2013 11: 48
                  -2
                  Quote: Corsair
                  Yes you, my friend, an anarchist

                  Socialist!
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 25 October 2013 12: 02
                    +2
                    Quote: Akim
                    Socialist!

                    Yah!
                    How is the president of France?
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 25 October 2013 12: 06
                      +1
                      Quote: Corsair
                      How is the president of France?

                      I also can’t call our Simonenko a communist.
                    2. Corsair
                      Corsair 25 October 2013 12: 10
                      +2
                      Quote: Akim
                      I also can’t call our Simonenko a communist.

                      But he does not "cover" fagots ...
                    3. Akim
                      Akim 25 October 2013 12: 17
                      0
                      Quote: Corsair
                      But he does not "cover" fagots ...

                      Let's get back to yesterday’s conversation about the foundations in society. Gays in Odessa on the day of the paratrooper have always been driven, so they will be.
                    4. Corsair
                      Corsair 25 October 2013 12: 24
                      +2
                      Quote: Akim
                      Gays in Odessa on the day of the paratrooper have always been driven, so they will be.

                      Who provides the "feast" of the paratroopers (the delivery of "fresh" fagots)?
                      After all, according to the logic, they should end quickly laughing
                    5. Akim
                      Akim 25 October 2013 12: 39
                      0
                      Quote: Corsair
                      After all, according to the logic, they should end quickly

                      And there are not many landings here. And to evening overclocking even less.
            2. Old skeptic
              Old skeptic 25 October 2013 12: 07
              +4
              Quote: Corsair
              Yah! How is the president of France?

              No vile hints. Respect each other. wink
          2. MIX58
            MIX58 26 October 2013 00: 28
            0
            Quote: Akim
            Socialist!
            ..... Trotskyist .. Bukharin .. Kamenevets and even a cool Jew !!!!!
      2. Old skeptic
        Old skeptic 25 October 2013 11: 52
        +3
        And in general, what is this name of the country, would be called "Kievan Rus", so it would be a click to diarrhea in Moscow, but kind not offensive, like - "You are big and strong, but remember where you came from. Kiev is the mother of Russian cities."
        And Ukraine sounds like a "stub" (don't be offended, please, but the ancient name is more monumental and sonorous).
        Once again, the brothers apologize if I offended anyone.
        1. Maverick78
          Maverick78 25 October 2013 12: 27
          +5
          Normal name. The land of Russian lands.
          I think that in that booze in the Belarusian forests, where a great country was ruined, no one thought what would happen next .... the main thing was to become faster as a local tsar, and even call Honduras there. I also like Kievan Rus more, but simply Russia is generally perfect.
          But there was absolutely no time to see it. EBN even Sevastopol stuck with joy that he would become king)))
        2. serge
          serge 25 October 2013 14: 20
          +2
          Yes, they cannot be called Kievan Rus, for it will be Rus. "Ukraine" as a name and "Ukrainian" language easier to cleanse the brain and historical memory.
          1. Maverick78
            Maverick78 25 October 2013 20: 34
            0
            For those who have eyes to see, and the brain, to comprehend, doesn’t clean anything anywhere.
      3. MIX58
        MIX58 26 October 2013 00: 26
        -1
        Quote: Akim
        I do not like your power

        .... And I don’t like the nigga on your profile picture .... And what's next, a Jew from Alessi ???
        1. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 26 October 2013 00: 42
          0
          Quote: MIC58
          .... And I don’t like the nigga on your profile picture ...

          drink vodka and calm down
          Negro by the way is written
  • makarov
    makarov 25 October 2013 09: 50
    10
    ".. The only meaning of the association, like the whole" European choice ", we repeat, is a receipt of loyalty to the one who controls the loot they stole, which, of course, is not stored in Ukraine or Russia ..."
    And that's it! There is simply nothing to add.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 25 October 2013 09: 51
    +5
    It’s sad to see how short-sighted Ukrainian politicians drag Ukraine away from Russia. At the same time, no one asks the opinion of the people of Ukraine. The Orange case continues successfully, pro-Russian "Party of Regions". Well, this is the sovereign right of the Ukrainian state, with whom to go further in life. The main thing is that the Ukrainian people do not suffer.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 25 October 2013 09: 51
    +8
    Quote from the article:
    It should be noted that this most piquant point of the European ultimatum really puts Donetsk boys in an awkward position in the literal sense of the word.

    WHAT, THEY are "specific guys" ...
    I note that my comment does not apply to NORMAL residents of Donbass, but only to THOSE who climb out of the gangster "raspberries" "drive" Ukraine ...
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  • Egoza
    Egoza 25 October 2013 09: 53
    +7
    Not everything is as simple as described by Leontiev. Now Yanukovych is trying to protect himself in future elections. In addition to the law that a person who has lived in Ukraine for at least 10 years can run for president, an addition has been adopted in tax legislation that (in short) that someone who does not pay taxes here is not a citizen of Ukraine, and accordingly, cannot go to the presidency. Klitschko flies like "plywood over Paris". Although he was very offended and announced yesterday that he would go to the presidency anyway! Next, Julia. earlier it was a question of "treatment" and loss of rights for three years; the elections will be held. But now the US says that Tymoshenko must take part in the elections. The EU is careful but supportive. Does Yanukovych need it? We will drag out a little more time, the Rada will not adopt the necessary law before the specified time, and the EU will not sign an association with us, which has already been repeatedly announced! Well, okay! Let them not sign. And they will put a lot of pressure - all the more, Yanukovych will turn 180 degrees and still go to the vehicle - "To spite the arrogant neighbor."
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 October 2013 09: 59
      +6
      Quote: Egoza
      But now the United States says that Tymoshenko must definitely take part in the elections. The EU is careful but supportive.

      The question is who is in charge in Ukraine and is there this so-called independence laughing
      1. Akim
        Akim 25 October 2013 10: 10
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The question is who is the main in Ukraine

        In this case, it is possible to put on the USA, tea is not signed with them. Europe is at an impasse. Her politicians demand that Timokha be released and without this decision they cannot sign. Not because they need Julia, but because they have to answer for the market before their voters. And if they don't sign - Timokha kirdyk. She will be instantly transferred from the hospital to the barracks and will arrange a "SWEET LIFE". And they understand this too.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 25 October 2013 10: 27
          +7
          Quote: Akim

          In the United States, you can put in this case, tea is not signed with them agreement

          Yes, you can put it, one problem - Ukraine has nothing to lay request
          Quote: Akim
          Not because they need Julia, but for the bazaar in front of their voters they need to be distracted

          Europe lays or lays on its voters for a long time what Ukraine cannot put on the USA.
          Quote: Akim
          . She will be instantly transferred from the hospital to the barracks

          Who will translate it wassat
          1. Akim
            Akim 25 October 2013 10: 39
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Europe lays or lays on its voters for a long time

            Not in this case.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Who will translate it

            Prison service. She is already being held in a hospital because of Europe. Doctors said she had a place in the prison infirmary.
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 25 October 2013 10: 36
          +6
          Quote: Akim
          She will be instantly transferred from the hospital to the barracks and will arrange a "SWEET LIFE".

          Well, it's still a question whether they will translate it or not. So the European doctors will run around, not knowing how to cure the simulator. And if they translate, and as you write, "arrange a" sweet life ", forgive, but I will not regret it, she deserved it
          1. Akim
            Akim 25 October 2013 10: 52
            +3
            Quote: Egoza
            but I won’t be sorry, she deserved it

            Yes, no one will feel sorry for her. Is that to the grandmothers of the Kachanovsky colony. Such a side job will disappear!
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 25 October 2013 11: 43
            +3
            Quote: Egoza
            So the European doctors will roam around, not knowing how to cure a simulant

            So sho, incurable means? Well then to the morgue laughing
        3. Corsair
          Corsair 25 October 2013 10: 42
          +5
          Quote: Akim
          In the United States, you can put in this case, tea is not an agreement signed with them.

          And you naively think that behind the scenes of the "action" there is no "overseas" director?!?
          And Ukraine's "lozhilka" has long been atrophied and unaffordable like your entire economy. FACT not challenged by anyone.

          You will not argue that the arguments cited in favor of the economic situation in Ukraine are at least somewhat sound.

          And this is equally true for discussions at the VO and for the statements of your politicians ...
          1. Akim
            Akim 25 October 2013 11: 11
            +2
            Quote: Corsair
            You will not argue that the arguments cited in favor of the economic situation in Ukraine are at least somewhat sound.

            Wait and see. Glazev’s arguments are not convincing either. We do not know all the secrets of the Madrid court.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 25 October 2013 10: 13
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The question is who is in charge in Ukraine and is there this so-called independence

        The article under discussion has already answered the question "who is in charge", and the so-called "independence" is FAKE, and it has not been fresh and worn for a long time ...
      3. self-propelled
        self-propelled 25 October 2013 10: 19
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The question is who is in charge in Ukraine and is there this so-called independence

        exactly. de jure Ukraine is an independent state. but de facto ... the so-called democracy, built on Western money, initially involves the promotion and support of the programs of these "patrons" in Ukraine. request which, in principle, is now observed in Ukraine recourse
  • Migari
    Migari 25 October 2013 10: 12
    +5
    After signing the agreement with the European Union, only candy wrappers will remain from the independence. And the main one is someone in power, and ordinary people have been deceived more than once, by election promises, they no longer believe anyone.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 25 October 2013 10: 19
    +3
    Is the capital of Ukraine Kiev, Frankfurt or Washington?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 October 2013 10: 29
      +6
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Is the capital of Ukraine Kiev, Frankfurt or Washington?

      what what what It will be necessary to ask Kars, he will be smarter than me. He must know where the capital of Ukraine is winked
  • Strashila
    Strashila 25 October 2013 10: 27
    10
    EU sneezing on Ukraine ... they are more attracted by further pressure on Russia. What to disrupt, we have been connected by technological chains in aviation and rocket science since the times of the USSR ... the EU’s task is to destroy them.
  • Mercenary
    Mercenary 25 October 2013 10: 30
    +3
    it’s too expensive a pleasure for Russia to explain to Ukraine its advantages. as a result of the 750 million dollars of the last loan and gas debts will sink into oblivion. Brussels will not pay other people's debts. losses on all fronts.
  • Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 25 October 2013 10: 33
    +4
    Of course, he did not discover America, but he said everything as it is. Although this was all before him was known. The most interesting thing is that everyone knows and understands everything, but to everyone - to a light bulb, what will happen next. It is noteworthy that the EU only demands, without giving anything or promising in return. request Unless they promise another loan ... Which, if they give, our grabbers will quickly tear it apart and transfer it to their accounts in the same Europe. Then, of course, they will return. Both credit and interest. Only at the expense of the people, and the poor economy ... am
  • New Russia
    New Russia 25 October 2013 10: 42
    +5
    The funny thing is that Russians and Ukrainians are simply used by the ruling parties of our countries, in fact, Ukraine and Russia do not exist, but there are 2 territories where Ukrainians and Russians are aborigines. And we, the natives, are used by the scum in power, taking advantage of our warm relationship to each other. TC is a union of peoples? No, this is a way of Russian oligarchs and thieves to grab something in other countries, as Kerimov tried to do it in Belarus, seizing Uralkali in a raider way, but Father did not give, if there was a precedent, Belarus would be pilfered by “our” geeks without roots with large wallets but without honor. At what the Kremlin held and imposed sanctions against the brotherly country for the sake of protecting the black oligarch. The same is with Ukraine, "their" oligarchs are afraid of "ours." There is no talk of any alliance of peoples, but you and I are being told that bad power in Ukraine interferes with the "friendship of peoples" despite the fact that in Russia itself, the occupation power does not need Russians, it is easier to replace them with barbarians, all the more to stand on ceremony will be. For Ukraine, there is no difference here or there, because in fact there is no real free Russia, they are not attached to Russia but to the oligarchs.
    1. In the book
      In the book 25 October 2013 12: 49
      +2
      yes to the very point. I support!
    2. Maverick78
      Maverick78 25 October 2013 20: 59
      +1
      Here it is! I clearly lack "literary talent". My thoughts are in literary form)))
      With one amendment. For Ukraine there is a difference "where". The problem is that if there were real PATRIOTS of their Motherland in power in Russia, then the question with whom to be friends would not have been raised. And so a situation is really created in which one has to choose whose oligarchs are "dearer" ... And they are about the same everywhere.
    3. Fin
      Fin 25 October 2013 21: 30
      -1
      Quote: New Russia
      The funny thing is that Russians and Ukrainians just use the ruling parties our countries,

      Madam, look more broadly at the problem. You do not see the main thing in your hatred of the leaders. Or is the female brain so arranged? When you teach in high school you will understand.
      For your information:
      The EU is a form of trade and economic integration of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia, providing for a single customs territory, within which customs duties and economic restrictions are not applied in mutual trade in goods, with the exception of special protective, antidumping and countervailing measures. At the same time, member countries of the customs union apply a single customs tariff and other uniform measures for regulating the trade in goods with third countries.
      And here
      Quote: New Russia
      the way Russian oligarchs and thieves grab something in other countries,

      For example, I don’t care who will eat whom Akhmetov or Mordashev, the main thing is that the people should not be reflected.
      the Kremlin held it and imposed sanctions against the fraternal country for the sake of protecting the black oligarch.

      What are the specific sanctions?
      Quote: New Russia
      For Ukraine there is no difference here or there, because in fact there is no real free Russia, they are not attached to Russia, but to the oligarchs.

      Read your creation carefully. Or are you already celebrating Friday there? But how to understand there is no difference? Do you think that in Ukraine are stupid? What is freedom in your concept?
      It is a pity that New Russia with such brains.
    4. Walker1975
      Walker1975 25 October 2013 22: 09
      +1
      One of the author’s rare rational arguments with a Russian flag. The vast majority demonstrates teenage complexes a la - you’ll disappear without me, you will still crawl on your knees and ask for forgiveness. So teenagers are quarreling.

      Russia did everything (not the country itself or its people, but those 110 people who own 35% of Russia and their servants) to push Ukraine away.

      The Kazakhs are shouting: we have littered shelves with Russian goods, and ours are jammed with licenses, brand rights, certificates, and other Onischenki.
      Belarusians say: they took away the GTS, quietly squeezing enterprise after enterprise.

      Do you think that the Ukrainian oligarchs do not understand that the Russians will squeeze them so fraternally that all production will be taken away?

      I no longer recall such things as the most expensive gas, trade wars, how Russian border guards drowned Ukrainian fishermen, how everywhere Russians shout that Ukraine is an under-state.

      This is how the Russian leadership had to try with Russian-Ukrainian politics to set up a party in the east and south of Ukraine that came to power on the slogans of normalizing relations with Russia, so that it would dare from Russia without looking back?
      1. xan
        xan 26 October 2013 01: 00
        0
        Quote: Walker1975
        One of the author’s rare rational arguments with a Russian flag. The vast majority demonstrates teenage complexes a la - you’ll disappear without me, you will still crawl on your knees and ask for forgiveness. So teenagers are quarreling.

        , I’m already prepared to heed the voice of the Ukrainian mind, and here
        Quote: Walker1975
        Russia did everything (not the country itself or its people, but those 110 people who own 35% of Russia and their servants) to push Ukraine away.

        and in the next fig I know how many times I realized that in addition to cheap wiring from authors with Ukrainian flags and with a Svidomo bias, you can’t wait.
        Begin to rub the stupid Russian Ukrainian know-how how to flatten the Ukrainian oligarchs and those in power and at the same time be friends with the Ukrainian people
        1. Walker1975
          Walker1975 26 October 2013 02: 13
          0
          And you do not know how to flatten?
          1. xan
            xan 28 October 2013 01: 58
            0
            Quote: Walker1975
            And you do not know how to flatten?

            Yeah, when you weren’t flattened and had a little hanging, you Russophobia blossomed in full growth. Do we need it? Now we come in from the other side - no fraternity, only mutually beneficial relations. It’s not our fault that it’s not profitable with you.
        2. Maverick78
          Maverick78 26 October 2013 11: 55
          +1
          Khan, let’s you first deal with your oligarchs, and then, if possible, teach us what to do with ours.
          For some reason, you have a great desire to flatten everything Ukrainian and make it Russian. And not only you. I have already said that the majority of "authors with Ukrainian flags" present on this site are not against friendly relations with Russia, but even for. For example, I generally believe that once we were ONE people. But you cannot build relationships on the principle "I am richer and stronger, so everything will be my way." I am not defending our "ilita", with great pleasure I would have seen all this Caudle somewhere in the uranium mines, but I don’t like your "elite" either.
          1. xan
            xan 28 October 2013 01: 40
            0
            Quote: Maverick78
            For some reason, you have a great desire to flatten everything Ukrainian and make it Russian. AND

            I am for Ukrainian to be Ukrainian, and Russian to Russian. It’s just that you accidentally turned out to be a Russian dofig, it’s like a stupid glass for Ukrainians. But there is no friendship between states. Friendship is necessary within the state. You are not in Europe.

            For example, I generally think that once we were ONE people. But you cannot build relationships on the principle "I am richer and stronger, so everything will be my way."

            That's when they were in one country, then everything was like garlic. And among countries there is no equality. You live in a small country, with GDP per capita like that of Honduras. I live in a big country. Countries have different opportunities. What can Ukraine do for Russia and what Russia for Ukraine? What is equality here? So throw out your mentality with the principles of equality and equalness - has long been a modern world and capitalism.
  • Polovec
    Polovec 25 October 2013 10: 47
    +6
    At the beginning of the "independent years" in the process of "privatization", Ukraine sold the largest shipbuilding and ship repair plants to Western firms. They were the pride of the USSR and fully competed with the world's leading manufacturers. During the sale, rumors circulated that the new owners would now overwhelm the factories with work and that the people would live on bourgeois salaries, as in paradise, but during their lifetime. What was the surprise when the factories began to split up and sell piece by piece for some kind of warehouses and all sorts of crap. The idea that the new "friends" simply eliminated competitors from the market for a hat of crackers in such a not cunning way came when it was already too late. And the government of those years was quite happy with everything. (The RF is also full of similar examples).
    Ukraine is not original. The same procedure was carried out in the Baltics, in Poland, and in other "friends from the east" newly acquired by the West.
    A lot of loans and grants were issued, and the country's economy was killed in return. I am always amused by the pride of the Baltic States for their high standard of living compared to Russia. You guys have plenty of sausages, but after all, everything is in debt!
    In the existing world, the sovereignty of Russia under the current government has been called into question more than once. Many people doubt that it is possible to consider sovereign a country in which state funds are located in foreign economies, the money of key and not very officials lies on foreign accounts, etc. There are many questions. And the government is struggling with this, or at least pretending to be fighting.
    But the question is for Ukraine: what do you want? An alliance with Russia, which is trying to somehow climb and fight in the existing world and certainly does not claim your sovereignty, is considered unacceptable.
    Then just admit that you want to sell yourself more expensive. It will be fair.
  • tomich
    tomich 25 October 2013 10: 54
    -2
    apparently someone is losing a lot of money from the Kremlin when Ukraine joins the EU, so many articles have already been published on this dirty topic, and how much more will be. The Russian authorities are so preoccupied with the fate of the Ukrainian people, they already break a tear)) They would take so much care of their people
  • morpogr
    morpogr 25 October 2013 11: 05
    +1
    They will use the Ukrainian people as they want, only again they will give them maximum crumbs from the lordly table and at least they will deprive the country at all. There will be an outskirts of geyropi without agricultural industry neglected and impoverished. Captured by the Geyropei concerns.
  • Galinanp
    Galinanp 25 October 2013 11: 50
    +1
    It should be noted that this most piquant point of the European ultimatum really puts Donetsk boys in an awkward position in the literal sense of the word. But what can you do for the sake of the "European choice".
    In Ukraine, there is already a proverb on the topic - "To evropp through w # ny". Good luck.
  • Djozz
    Djozz 25 October 2013 11: 54
    +2
    Yulia, of course, is a big bitch, but it seems to me that she is a more sane and "smart-ass" politician than Yanukovych can agree with her under certain conditions! This is my private opinion.
    1. Kars
      Kars 25 October 2013 12: 01
      +3
      Quote: Djozz
      Julia, of course, is a big bitch, but it seems to me that she is a more sane and "smart-ass" politician

      So maybe explain how she so tricky signed (or allowed to sign) such a gas contract with Russia?


      And from me, from one of her advertisements with a crucible, she began to pull me into nausea.
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 25 October 2013 12: 06
        +2
        Explaining from Russia that business is nothing personal! You never knew who was drawn to nausea, Stalin may have "vomited", but he negotiated with Churchill! Politics is the art of the possible!
        1. Kars
          Kars 25 October 2013 12: 12
          +3
          Quote: Djozz
          Explain from Russia, business is nothing personal!

          Well, just this gas business doesn’t include a personal discount on gas for the pre-election year, which Tymoshenko personally presented as an epic victory.

          And from the Russian side, I’m not interested in explanations. Everything is clear to me.
          1. Djozz
            Djozz 25 October 2013 12: 21
            0
            So, well, you ask me! Whether you are in our place, I suppose, also did not hesitate.
    2. Akim
      Akim 25 October 2013 12: 01
      +1
      Quote: Djozz
      it can be agreed upon under certain conditions!

      Naturally possible. The gas contract is an example of this. And she presented it as a victory. She can convince people. It turns out: We do not scoop, but step in the opposite direction.
  • Gronsky
    Gronsky 25 October 2013 11: 57
    -3
    Quote: Akim
    Have you lived in Donetsk or Enakievo? Those who did not sit there did not sit.


    What is true is true. The people there are specific. Checked personally-specially.
  • Thirteenth
    Thirteenth 25 October 2013 12: 10
    +1
    Crest will remain om
    Though you let him go to Europe
    Where to act with the mind,
    He strains only the ass. crying

    "" T.G. Shevchenko
    1871year
  • Black
    Black 25 October 2013 12: 18
    0
    Moscow intends to prevent this. And given the problems that Ukraine has set up for itself, it is unlikely to allow it, regardless of whether an agreement is signed with Brussels or not.

    I WONDER HOW? Type-spell- "fuck! Tibidoch !!" ???
  • Maverick78
    Maverick78 25 October 2013 12: 33
    +9
    And this ... else ... are you going to share whom ??? In which Lviv Europe ??? The city of Lviv was founded by the RUSSIAN PRINCE Daniil Galitsky. You can’t save any volosts with you.
    1. densh
      densh 26 October 2013 00: 16
      +1
      Danilo I Romanovich (long-ago. Danilo Romanovich; 1201–1264) - Russian prince from the Romanov dynasty, ruler of the Galicia-Volinsky princedom. Prince Volinsky (1211–1264), Galitsky (1211–1264), Kiev (1240), the first king of Rus-Ukraine (from 1253 breasted 1254). Sin of Prince Roman II the Great (let it be) of the Vizanti Princess, the daughter of Emperor Isaac II Angel - Єfrosinіi Anni. To lay down before the oldest in Russia, the family Monomakhovich, dynasty Romanovich (Rurikovich).
      Since it was a trivial and hard-won struggle, I regained my knowledge of the Galicia-Volinsky state, which was torn by its father. With alternating success, having repaired for the first time the Mongolian expansions, at once neutralized the militarized efforts of the best sons to be handled by the internal state.
      Having sprinkled with the development of the site, we can read the reminder and the merchant. For the first rule, the boulevards were stimulated by Hill, Lviv, Kremenets, Danilіv, Stіzhok, updates Dorogochin. Perenіs the capital of the Galicia-Volinsky Principality from Galich to the Hill.
      The hour of the first reign of Buva after the completion of the most economical and cultural day and the political settlement of the Galicia-Volinsky empire. Mayuchi cordon across the Carpathians, Dnepr and Danube, for the first rule won the largest power in Europe, became the forefather of the first Ukrainian national power.


      Excerpt taken from Wikipedia. Comments, I think, are redundant here. hi
      1. Maverick78
        Maverick78 26 October 2013 11: 59
        0
        Based on what considerations Daniel Galitsky became king, there are many versions, but for me personally the title "Russian prince" is much more honorable than any king. Here I am such an animal)
  • In the book
    In the book 25 October 2013 12: 46
    +5
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Yes, the same garbage

    Here he is caught. But his criminal record was removed from him in the days of the USSR, so there is no corruption in this.

    The criminal record was removed, but the sediment remained.
    Similar to the saying:
    "You can expel a girl from a village (village), but you will never expel a village (village) from a girl." lol
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 25 October 2013 13: 00
    -1
    Quote: Civil
    all Russians get Ukrainian passports


    Only in this way can we revive the Great Empire soldier
  • patriot2
    patriot2 25 October 2013 13: 07
    +1
    "And Janek will receive a golden bullet as a reward, which killed him ... Geevrosoyuz ..."
    (from a children's tale about a bad boy)
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 25 October 2013 13: 21
    +3
    <<< Moscow intends to prevent this. (Association of Ukraine with the EU). And given the problems that Ukraine has arranged for itself, it is unlikely to allow it, regardless of whether an agreement is signed with Brussels or not. This story will not end in Vilnius ". >>>
    Obviously, and not without reason, the Ukrainian leadership hopes that Russia and Ukraine are so deeply and comprehensively interconnected that even Ukraine's association with the EU will not prevent it (and force Russia) to find some kind of formula to preserve, to a large extent, its ties with Russia and the TS. Moreover, it is said that Ukraine could become a kind of "bridge" between the EU and the CU! Those. the long-term and customary policy of "both ours and yours" for the Ukrainian leadership, sitting on two chairs, should, in some way, be legitimized. Undoubtedly, no matter what, Russia will not abandon Ukraine and will fight for the interests of Ukrainians! After all, whoever says what WE ARE ONE PEOPLE and victory will be ours!
  • kadet54
    kadet54 25 October 2013 13: 23
    +1
    Quote: Arberes
    Quote: Wedmak
    And then buy a sniper rifle?

    And more rounds! I wonder who will head the hit list, dear 3.7.964 ?
    Personally, I bet on Yushchenko! hi

    Yes, there are so many clashing pretenders to head ...
    1. densh
      densh 26 October 2013 00: 33
      0
      So you need a heavy machine gun. To quickly and reliably
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 25 October 2013 13: 35
    +3
    The funniest thing is to explain to Ukrainian politicians the advantages of joining the Customs Union and the obvious harm from the notorious "Association" for Ukraine. Yes, they wanted to sneeze in Ukraine!
    The only meaning of the association, as well as of the whole “Europian choice”, we repeat, is a receipt of loyalty to those who control the loot they have stolen, which, of course, is not stored in Ukraine or in Russia.

    That says it all. On my own I will add that in Russia all this has already happened, which is why it is still "sausage".
    Liberasty is a weapon against historical Russia, an integral part of which is Little Russia, the so-called Ukraine.
  • ars_pro
    ars_pro 25 October 2013 13: 49
    +7
    The inhabitants of Ukraine, its people do not need Europe at all, even an ordinary person, in the eyes of an ordinary person, what should he do in Europe, the first barrier is linguistic, it is easier to know the Russian language, which is one-root, which does not exist with European countries. The second barrier is economic, the third is probably even more important, it is psychological, whether it is dependence on whom to depend on Europe? so it cannot save itself, on the contrary, it doesn’t save only but destroys, distorts, distorts the minds of its citizens, what kind of cooperation between Ukraine and Europe are we talking about, on the basis of what, if the Soviet backlog. Probably it is impossible to say this, but people who understand that "Europe is an ass" if the authorities overturn them, it is worth recalling that more than 60% are for the CU rather than the EU, are pragmatic in the worst case, sabotage and explosions cannot be avoided, our people are the most patient, but so arrogant Kidalova is unlikely to forgive, and will take revenge ... hunchback, yanyk, who else is there ... the country will live without them, and I think it would be even better without them in this world than they will mow here for four walls or a car ... sometimes there are not enough words to define their attitude towards these people, as representatives and first persons of the EPT nation ... and laugh and sin ... if all the same they sign an agreement on association with the EU, then I choose them the most painful and long death!
  • Jaros81
    Jaros81 25 October 2013 14: 09
    +5
    how did these "Europeans" bother me ... There is a demographic decline in Russia, and they demand that some kind of rights be acquired ... Yes, I would rather send this "gay" to the hospital than let my children see "this"
  • shark
    shark 25 October 2013 15: 12
    +1
    Ukraine divided approximately in half. In such circumstances, a nationwide referendum of the Ukrainian people. With the preliminary signing by all means of a referendum obliging the loser to accept the results in any case, and then it will be entirely up to the citizens of Ukraine. Whatever choice they make, we will accept. And no one will say that the EU or Putin crushed. The main thing is that there would be no blood and the collapse of the country.
  • komissar
    komissar 25 October 2013 15: 17
    +2
    Or maybe let the Ukrainians decide where to be? What do we worry about them.
  • wax
    wax 25 October 2013 18: 38
    +4
    “How tired I am of living in this dirty pond!” - one crucian complains to another.
    “And you grab the hook,” he advises, “and you will immediately find yourself in sour cream.”
  • wax
    wax 25 October 2013 18: 45
    +2
    http://politobzor.net/show-6895-vengriya-v-es-desyat-let-spustya.html
  • waisson
    waisson 25 October 2013 19: 14
    0
    sorry Ukraine will collapse
  • Andranik
    Andranik 25 October 2013 19: 19
    +2
    There was Kievan Rus, became Euro-Kiev))))
  • MG42
    MG42 25 October 2013 19: 58
    +5
    Ukraine is moving by leaps and bounds to sign an association agreement with the European Union, selflessly fulfilling all the conditions of the ultimatum put forward by Europeans.

    Meanwhile, Ukraine is approaching the culmination of the budget crisis threatening to default, since the record national debt for all the years of independence, the NBU published statistics, public sector employees began to delay salaries and even stopped paying cash benefits for young mothers to take care of the child, here's a financial topic >>

    Ukraine's international reserves by September 30 decreased to $ 21,639 billion due to the repayment of external government debt with limited access to the Ministry of Finance of the country to new external loans.

    According to Reuters, since the beginning of the year, Ukraine's reserves have decreased by about $ 3 billion. The agency reports that due to their reduction, the lack of clear sources of refinancing debt payments and the deterioration of relations with the main trading partner - Russia, Moody's agency in September downgraded the rating of Ukraine's sovereign bonds ... After that, the rates of return on Ukrainian Eurobonds, which were placed earlier at a price below 8%, jumped to 10-15%.


    http://korrespondent.net/business/financial/1613843-v-sentyabre-denezhnaya-massa
    -ukrainy-vyrosla-do-860-mlrd-grn-nbu

    From the movie "Gentlemen of Fortune":
    - Sorry, girls, you are not mistaken?
    - Come in, uncle!

    Laws have been adopted giving extra homosexuals. we started to insist on the rights in the EU, here the film just remembered <only girls in jazz>
    jlb a man asks another man dressed as a woman to marry him, he resists in every possible way and in the end saysBUT I AM A MAN!>? to which the annoying groom answered himEVERYONE HAS OUR DISADVANTAGES!> wassat
    video in the topic >>
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  • ars_pro
    ars_pro 25 October 2013 20: 48
    +1
    The psychology is wrong there in the West, being a peasant is pride, doubly a Russian peasant, and three times as a commando
  • APASUS
    APASUS 25 October 2013 21: 02
    0
    The points specially agreed were very struck, everything suggests that the fate of the people themselves is not at all interested in power .......... only grandmothers, lands, houses ......... and grandmas again!
    1. Akim
      Akim 26 October 2013 03: 48
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      Very struck items specifically agreed

      That's what Leontyev himself read the entire contract. Probably just a brief squeeze.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 26 October 2013 11: 24
        0
        Quote: Akim
        That's what Leontyev himself read the entire contract. Probably just a brief squeeze.

        I won’t even argue that he saw these documents, but I will lead a question on this:
        Do you yourself Akim believe that the Ukrainian authorities defend the interests of the people upon entry or are they more interested in their own interests?
        1. Akim
          Akim 26 October 2013 11: 46
          0
          Quote: APASUS
          that the Ukrainian authorities defend the interests of the people upon entry

          Of course I do not believe it. I also would not have believed that they would not have defended their private interests when integrating with the TS. Just get it. Today, Yanyka’s administration has divided roughly in half into supporters and opponents of the association. And the administration of the opposition is 75-80% in favor. Imagine this situation. Tomorrow, President Yanukovych signs an agreement on joining S. For a year and a half, prosperity obviously will not come. If he loses the election, the company of his opponents will begin to lay down the yacht "Ukraine" in the opposite direction. And no one can hold it, it will be even worse. So is it not better to go the same way than spinning around?
  • Victor-M
    Victor-M 25 October 2013 21: 18
    0
    It will be interesting to see how the hot, Lviv lads will behave during the Sadomite parade in their city, and throughout western Ukraine.
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  • ars_pro
    ars_pro 25 October 2013 21: 38
    0
    Quote: Victor-M
    It will be interesting to see how the hot, Lviv lads will behave during the Sadomite parade in their city, and throughout western Ukraine.


    It will be interesting to appoint these parades on the day of the gallows, and so it’s just not fun at all, especially Lviv is our city