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Naval base of the Ukrainian Navy opened in Sevastopol

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Naval base of the Ukrainian Navy opened in SevastopolThe Sevastopol naval base of the Ukrainian Navy solemnly opened today in Streletskaya Bay, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine reports.


“With the formation of the Sevastopol naval base, an integral and modern system for providing bases for ships with the appropriate infrastructure of the Ukrainian Navy has been created,” Vice-Admiral Sergei Yeliseyev, the acting head of the naval forces, quotes the website.

According to him, the formation of the base is the first step towards fulfilling the goal of reforms determined by the President of Ukraine to create mobile, highly professional, prepared naval forces capable of “reliably and effectively protecting citizens, society and the state, defending the national interests of Ukraine at sea.”

By the end of 2014, the Ukrainian army should completely move to a professional basis.

Sevastopol is the base of both Ukrainian fleet, and the Black Sea Fleet of Russia. The Black Sea Fleet, according to a bilateral agreement, will remain in Sevastopol until 2042.
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  1. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 23 October 2013 07: 19 New
    -1
    Through the ass, but climb.
    1. Civil
      Civil 23 October 2013 07: 28 New
      20
      And why do we need a foreign (Ukrainian) military base in Sevastopol?
      1. Akim
        Akim 23 October 2013 08: 09 New
        -6
        Quote: Civil
        foreign (Ukrainian) military base

        He was certain that he saw the name of the news on the main page, knowing from whom the first fetid smell was heard. True, I'm still on Romanova sinned.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 08: 18 New
          29
          Quote: Akim
          True, I still sinned on Romanov.

          I was just in a different topic. I fully agree with Civilian; we do not need a foreign military base in Sevastopol! Although, what is the Ukrainian base what Okay good, rebase your creaser laughing
          1. Kars
            Kars 23 October 2013 11: 00 New
            +1
            The frigate Getman Sagaidachny started patrolling as part of NATO’s Ocean Shield in the Gulf of Aden
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 11: 08 New
              17
              Quote: Kars
              Frigate “Getman Sagaidachny”

              Aha, then the entire Ukrainian fleet is now in the Gulf of Aden laughing
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 23 October 2013 11: 52 New
                10
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Aha, then the entire Ukrainian fleet is now in the Gulf of Aden

                As part of the American squadron laughing
              2. Kars
                Kars 23 October 2013 11: 53 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Aha, then the entire Ukrainian fleet is now in the Gulf of Aden

                Do you want to talk on a topic? What Ukraine needs a fleet? Its size? How many aircraft carriers would you notice that Ukraine has a fleet? And it’s just interesting how many minutes will it begin to moan that Ukraine is pumping a fleet against great Russia?
                1. zmey_gadukin
                  zmey_gadukin 23 October 2013 15: 34 New
                  -5
                  Quote: Kars
                  Which Ukraine needs a fleet? Its size? How many aircraft carriers would you notice that Ukraine has a fleet?

                  And how many aircraft carriers does Russia have - an ocean power? Here I am interested))
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 15: 39 New
                    +4
                    Quote: zmey_gadukin
                    And how many aircraft carriers do Russia have -

                    Yes there is one and ships with submarines all to more tongue
                    1. zmey_gadukin
                      zmey_gadukin 23 October 2013 17: 49 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Yes there is one

                      aircraft cruiser


                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      ships with submarines all to more

                      Well, if divided into all the seas and oceans, the situation does not look so rosy.
                      Let’s compare the fleets, for example, of the most irreconcilable enemy of Russia — the USA, and not Ukraine. And who will benefit from the comparison?
                      So there is nothing to be clever Romanov)))
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 15: 38 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Kars
                  Which Ukraine needs a fleet?

                  Judging by the money and movements of your government, Ukraine does not need a fleet at all.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 23 October 2013 15: 41 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Judging by the money and movements of your government, Ukraine does not need a fleet at all.

                    This is not the answer to the question.
                    I repeat
                    Quote: Kars
                    ? What Ukraine needs a fleet? Its size? How many aircraft carriers what would you could note that Ukraine has a fleet?

                    Interested in YOUR fleet vision.
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Yes there is one

                    And is this a great maritime power of the Russian Federation? And Kuzya does not pull on an aircraft carrier.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 15: 47 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Kars

                      Interested in YOUR fleet vision.

                      Kars, are you interested in my opinion? yes I will not believe
                      Quote: Kars
                      and Kuzya does not pull on an aircraft carrier.

                      Yes, there are dozens of ships in the sea now.
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 23 October 2013 15: 53 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Kars, are you interested in my opinion? yes I will not believe

                        I personally am not interested. But I want you to voice it to others. And based on your answer, I will select and show your non-logic and bias.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Yes, there are dozens of ships in the sea now.

                        Oh, great fleet. It would be a pity if the US population were for a military operation against Syria, what would it do? But did the Jews bomb Syria when the Russian cruiser was off its coast.
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 15: 56 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Kars
                        And based on your answer, I will select and show your non-logic, and bias.

                        I am well aware of your logic by comments with a picture of a clown in a fascist helmet.
                        Quote: Kars

                        Oh yes the great fleet. It would be a pity it would be interesting if the US population were for a military operation against Syria, what would he do?

                        Did Obama Stop US Population? And in the world everyone says Putin has whispered something to Obama.
                      3. Kars
                        Kars 23 October 2013 15: 59 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I am well aware of your logic by comments with a picture of a clown in a fascist helmet.

                        Sorry to post your photo, but it turned out.
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Did Obama Stop US Population?

                        It is the population of the United States, and nothing more. In the United States, just the social polls very much influence the actions of politicians.
                      4. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 17: 53 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Kars
                        Sorry to post your photo, but it turned out.

                        Your jokes are flat and even off topic.
                        Quote: Kars
                        in the USA, just social polls greatly influence the actions of politicians.

                        You tell it on any Lviv site
                      5. Kars
                        Kars 23 October 2013 18: 03 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Your jokes are flat and even off topic.

                        Well, I'm sorry. What are you so worried. Say something is not you
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        picture of a clown in a fascist helmet

                        They will definitely believe you.
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        You tell it on any Lviv site

                        And I’m more interested. In the USA, social surveys for the president do not equal.

                        A possible military operation in Syria is supported by 36 percent of US residents. This is evidenced by the data published on September 6 from a survey conducted by Gallup.

                        At the same time, 51 percent of Americans opposed military intervention in the Syrian conflict. Another 13 percent of respondents were unable to unambiguously determine the answer.

                        Gallup analysts emphasized that the level of support for the military operation is the lowest for all conflicts in which the United States has been involved over the past 20 years. In particular, 2001 percent of Americans supported the invasion of Afghanistan in 82, and 59 percent supported the intervention in Iraq. Prior to the current survey, the lowest rating of support for the actions of the US authorities was in anticipation of the operation in Serbia - 1999 percent of the United States supported conducting attacks on the Balkan state in 43.

                        The survey was conducted in all 50 US states on September 3-4. The statistical error, according to Gallup, does not exceed four percent.

                        It is worth noting that, according to a Reuters / Ipsos survey conducted on September 3, only 19 percent of US residents support military intervention in Syria


                        By the way, are you sure that the average American tastes the presence of ships of the Russian Federation off the coast of Syria?
                3. Akim
                  Akim 23 October 2013 16: 02 New
                  +2
                  Which Ukraine needs a fleet. This year, the first figures have not yet been approved. 1 frigate, 4 corvettes 6 missile boats, three minesweepers, 3 MDK and one KFOR, control ship, support vessels and a river flotilla of 4 bronekater.
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 23 October 2013 16: 02 New
              0
              Quote: Kars
              And is this a great maritime power of the Russian Federation? And Kuzya does not pull on an aircraft carrier.

              Next to the Yusovsky trough, the Aircraft Carrier of the Fleet of HER ROYAL MAJESTY, mistress of the seas of Great Britain ("Senator John Stennis" of the "Nimitz" class and HMS Illustrious of the "Invincible" class)
              And no one in Britain was complexes about the SIZE, and dignified it proudly - the Aircraft Carrier.

              If you are not aware of, then the MAIN IS NOT SIZE, but ABILITY TO USE
              1. Kars
                Kars 23 October 2013 16: 11 New
                +2
                Quote: Corsair
                HIS ROYAL Majesty Fleet Aircraft Carrier

                How to compare the size of so Great Britain is a great sea power not komplyuschaya how to neigh with the sale of its last sheep carrier so impoverished small Britain. I congratulate you equal ... Great .. Russia with small Britain. In which even the last tank factory was closed)))))))
              2. Corsair
                Corsair 23 October 2013 16: 26 New
                +4
                Quote: Kars
                How to compare the size of so Great Britain is a great sea power not komplesiruyuschego how to neigh with the sale of its last sheep carrier so impoverished small Britain

                For Kars, which does not climb out of the "Oplot" tank, I will additionally note:
                THE SIZES OF THE BRITISH AND RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT COMPARED, AND ABOUT THE SIGHT OF STUPIDITY FROM YOU by REASON over SALE British ship FOR THE FIRST TIME I SEE request
              3. Kars
                Kars 23 October 2013 16: 42 New
                +1
                Quote: Corsair
                ON REVIEW over SALE of a British ship FOR THE FIRST TIME I SEE

                Read the topic
                http://topwar.ru/34847-voennoe-sudno-na-prodazhu-britaniya-ischet-pokupatelya-dl
                ya-svoego-edinstvennogo-avianosca.html
                Quote: Corsair
                THE SIZES OF THE BRITISH AND RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT COMPARED

                Of course))) in the photo that you presented the Russian aircraft carrier invisibility?
                Quote: Corsair
                And no one in Britain was complexes about the SIZE, and dignified it proudly - the Aircraft Carrier.

                So I’m saying that the Russian Federation is equal to the United Kingdom.


                BM tank 'Oplot' equipped with DZ 'Duplet'
              4. Corsair
                Corsair 23 October 2013 16: 50 New
                0
                Quote: Kars
                Read the topic
                http://topwar.ru/34847-voennoe-sudno-na-prodazhu-britaniya-ischet-pokupatelya-dl




                ya-svoego-edinstvennogo-avianosca.html


                I naturally read the topic on the day the article was released ...

                BUT (please notebig BUT),WHEREDid you see MY rzhach about the sale of the ship ???

                If you associate me with the entire community of the site, then you flatter me a lot, and if you are mistaken - "take away" the comment about "RYCHA" back ...
              5. Kars
                Kars 23 October 2013 16: 56 New
                +1
                Quote: Corsair
                WHERE did you see MY

                and you are the navel of the earth? you are a standard zombie, the average one at that. therefore
                Quote: Corsair
                associate with the whole community site

                Only not with everything, but with the worst part of it, with those who have repeatedly proved a low intellectual level.
              6. Corsair
                Corsair 23 October 2013 17: 04 New
                +1
                Quote: Kars
                and you are the navel of the earth? you are a standard zombie, the average one at that. therefore

                Quote: Kars
                How to compare the size of so Great Britain is a great sea power not komplyuschaya how to neigh with the sale of its last sheep carrier so impoverished small Britain. I congratulate you equal ... Great .. Russia with small Britain. In which even the last tank factory was closed)))))))


                And in THIS, in your awkward comment, to whom did they turn?
                To the "average navel of the earth"? laughing
              7. Kars
                Kars 23 October 2013 17: 09 New
                +1
                Quote: Corsair
                And in THIS, his awkward comment, to whom did they turn?
                с
                Quote: Kars
                standard zombies and who repeatedly proved a low intellectual level.
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 23 October 2013 19: 48 New
    +5
    Quote: Kars
    And is this a great maritime power of the Russian Federation? And Kuzya does not pull on an aircraft carrier.

    Gentlemen, Marshals, allow me to intervene twice with a Major General, a little versed in the problems of the fleet. (served however!)
    Kars! Russia is a great sea power, if only because its sons (Lazarev and Bellingshausen) discovered Antarctica! Vitus Bereng - the strait between America and Eurasia, well, etc. This is the first.
    And secondly, today the Russian Federation is one of the few countries in the world that, with its fleet, is capable of destroying ANY AGGRESSOR COUNTRY! China, the second economy of the world, for example, cannot do this by the fleet. Great Britain and France too. This is not an unfounded statement, but the results of the V / game (research) in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. This is a word.
    So, save sarcasm for your wife when she will tell you why she was late again until late at work.
    Once again I apologize to the distinguished MARSHALS.
    1. Kars
      Kars 23 October 2013 20: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      Russia is a great sea power, if only because its sons

      Let’s not go deeper into history? I do not at all betray the role of the homeland of the Elephants - for this you can not be afraid. Although for the most part Russia is still the ambassador of the rear among large countries.
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      And secondly, today the Russian Federation is one of the few countries in the world that, with its fleet, is capable of destroying ANY AGGRESSOR COUNTRY!

      Let's not remember Nuclear weapons? Because there is nothing to be proud of. Starting from the fact that using nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear state is not ethical. (Albeit not excluded)
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      China, the second economy of the world, for example, cannot do this by the fleet. Great Britain and France too.
      Well, I don’t know about 200 nuclear weapons in England. What is the country that it will not destroy? And by the way, what do you mean by the destruction of? 100% of the population? 100% of infrastructure?
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      So save sarcasm for your wife

      Not for this I’ll be kicked out of the house)))) so this is your cross)))
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      which once again lingered late at work.
      Why should my wife work?

      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      why once again

      Are you from personal experience? A frequently recurring situation that you want to talk about?
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      Once again I apologize to the distinguished MARSHALS.

      I personally forgive myself. Check back often.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 24 October 2013 00: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Kars
      Well, I don’t know about 200 nuclear weapons in England. What is the country that this will not destroy?
      RF or USA. It hurts, but not fatal. At the same time, the incomplete salvo of only one missile cruiser of the aforementioned powers simply sweeps it off the map
      Quote: Kars
      use nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear state it's not ethical

      Will we remember about Hiroshima? And about Nagasaki? The second blow was not at the same time as the first, there was a time to recall ethics. To the leaders, the military, just for the demonstration, suggested revealing to bomb something uninhabited ...
    3. Kars
      Kars 24 October 2013 09: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: Misantrop
      RF or USA. It hurts, but not fatal.

      Don’t you say deadly? I’m just wondering what is deadly? What about a couple of missiles at a nuclear power plant?
      Quote: Misantrop
      At the same time, the incomplete salvo of only one missile cruiser of the aforementioned powers simply sweeps it off the map

      Why is this? How many cities will it suffer?
      Quote: Misantrop
      Will we remember about Hiroshima? And about Nagasaki?

      we will not. These are the first applications. And after these incidents many years have passed, and many international agreements.
      And after the United States did not use nuclear weapons against Korea, the USSR against Afghanistan.
  • Apollo
    Apollo 23 October 2013 23: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Judging by the money and movements of your government, Ukraine does not need a fleet at all.

    and the army, too, but VV is apparently necessary, for which it’s also clear, like God's day !!!
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 24 October 2013 11: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Apollon
      and the army, too, but BB apparently needs

      But after all, all the same BRACKET MODE.
      What if the "internal enemy" raises its head ?!
  • Kosatka
    Kosatka 23 October 2013 12: 08 New
    13
    Before leaving Saygadachny. Everyone at the headquarters of the Naval Forces of Ukraine was on their ears. There were problems in everything and everywhere. The warehouses are empty, the mate part of the warhead is not working, not configured, there are 5 units of trained specialists in the warhead. Assembled the crew, and prepared the mate part, eight months. We left with problems. No longer on readiness but by the "strong-willed decision" of the MO. My good friend. by the nature of his service he was directly involved in this "KARABLYASK KIPESH". And as for the proclamation of the base in Strelka (Streletskaya Bay), they sounded too proud and pathetic. My boat is in this bay at berth 176. And over the past 43 years (all this time I was still a kid, and I still go out to sea, dive, fish or just relax. From Streletskaya Bay) this so-called BASE, now has the most miserable view for the entire time the fleet is based. Although, like everything in Ukraine recently.
  • Far East
    Far East 23 October 2013 12: 24 New
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Okay good, rebase your creaser

    good good good drinks hi
  • Civil
    Civil 23 October 2013 09: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Civil
    foreign (Ukrainian) military base

    He was certain that he saw the name of the news on the main page, knowing from whom the first fetid smell was heard. True, I'm still on Romanova sinned.

    The main thing when taking alcohol-containing products, try not to clog the airways when using cold cholesterol from a dead animal product. Attacks of unmotivated aggression in such processes can cause asphyxiation by vomit. Glory to Russia!
    1. Akim
      Akim 23 October 2013 09: 27 New
      +7
      Quote: Civil
      Glory to Russia!

      Glory, glory. I don’t care what you say here. There is no need to run away from the dogs - they will chase. So it is here. Sevastopol is a Russian city, not Russian, as if Zhirik and his ilk did not want to.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 09: 41 New
        +7
        Quote: Akim
        I don’t care what you say here.

        It would be all the same, you would pass by, and not write comments.
        1. afire
          afire 23 October 2013 09: 46 New
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Akim
          I don’t care what you say here.

          It would be all the same, you would pass by, and not write comments.

          Well, how do you need to do your bit for Ukraine’s independence from Russia, this is a trend, everyone from Russia wants to be independent and lick one place for those who promise gifts. We don’t give them anything else.
        2. Akim
          Akim 23 October 2013 09: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          , you would pass by, and not write comments.

          Count and passed. That's when I’m sort of climbing into political topics about Ukraine. The comment did not concern attacks on Ukraine, but specifically individuals. What to argue with the blockheads (well, sorry for the allegory).
          1. afire
            afire 23 October 2013 10: 10 New
            +1
            that is, you consider yourself D'artanyan from Ukraine, and otal blockheads from Russia?
            brazenly - no?
            1. Akim
              Akim 23 October 2013 10: 15 New
              +3
              Quote: afire
              do you consider yourself D'artanyan from Ukraine, and otal blockheads from Russia?

              Whoever speaks like a spell, denying all logic - that is the cudgel, no matter whose nationalist is Russia or Ukraine.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 10: 52 New
                +3
                Quote: Akim

                Whoever speaks like a spell, denying all logic - that is the cudgel

                Oh, but with this to Kars.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 23 October 2013 10: 58 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Oh, but with this to Kars.

                  closer to you.
                  http://topwar.ru/34772-trudovaya-putevka-v-bordel-o-cvetenii-evropeyskoy-toleran
                  tnosti.html # comment-id-1604615
                  Quote: Kars
                  you're less than a balabol, a lycimir and a hypocrite.
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 11: 11 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Kars

                  closer to you.

                  C'mon Kars, the last time you hurried again with your comments talking about blackmailing Russia. And then oops and Europe again showed itself in all its glory wink EU puts forward ultimatum to Ukraine
                  The European Union demanded that Ukraine, by November 18, 2013, fulfill all the requirements put forward for signing an association agreement, RIA Novosti reports.news.mail.ru/politics/15309150/
                  Ah this Russia, oh this blackmailer wassat
                3. Kars
                  Kars 23 October 2013 11: 44 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  by November 18, 2013 to fulfill all the requirements for signing an association agreement,

                  And if we don’t do it then? Will they close the borders with us? Will they poison Onishchenko?
                  What is getting worse?
                  And it is Ukraine that wants to sign an association, therefore, demands are made to us, and Ukraine does not want to in the Customs Union, therefore, the Russian Federation and arranges blackmail.

                  At the same time, this behavior refutes the anti-Russian geopolitical plans attributed to Europeans, otherwise they would have adopted as soon as possible.
                4. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 11: 56 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Kars

                  And if we do not do what?

                  But where are you going to get to?
                  Quote: Kars
                  And it is Ukraine that wants to sign an association, therefore, demands are made to us, and Ukraine does not want to in the Customs Union, therefore, the Russian Federation and arranges blackmail.

                  Smiled wassat
                  Quote: Kars
                  . Otherwise, they would have accepted as soon as possible.

                  You don’t understand anything at all, you don’t go to the EU, you just sign (are going to) a trade association. It’s another matter that your politicians present this as accession to the EU and demands from the EU that you, as a country that enters the EU . So explain to yourself what politics has to do with it when it comes to trade. What does the Court, Timokha and other crap have to do with it? What does all this have to do with trade? No, it wasn’t demanded from Egypt and Turkey and the country wasn’t humiliated. The EU needs Ukraine, and not vice versa, and Ukraine must make demands and not vice versa, although to whom I say this
                5. Kars
                  Kars 23 October 2013 12: 10 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  But where are you going to get to?

                  Not sure.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Smiled

                  your level of mental development does not imply more.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  You don’t understand anything at all, you don’t go to the EU, you just sign (are going to) a trade association

                  So what is the Russian Federation so boiling up about? And being with the EU, what do you expect is that Ukraine accepted as well as the Baltic states quickly.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  It’s another matter that your politicians present this as EU accession and requirements from the EU to you, as a country that enters the EU

                  It is strange where they present it?
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  So explain to yourself, what does politics have to do with it when it comes to trade. What does the court, timokha and other crap

                  There are EU standards and courts, by the way, this is a direct relation to corruption, and corruption is connected with the economy.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  From Egypt and Turkey this was not required and the country was not humiliated

                  And what was demanded of them? At the same time, Turkey is already a member of NATO, and Egypt has no common borders with the EU. And even in the project there is no intention of being united to the EU.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  .EU needs Ukraine, not vice versa

                  Then it’s strange what are they pulling?
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Ukraine should make demands and not vice versa.

                  It will be a laugh if Ukraine begins to set its requirements on the TS, yes7 or Ukraine does not need a TS?
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 23 October 2013 11: 58 New
                +4
                Quote: Kars
                will incite Onishchenko?

                You do not know, Onishchenko removed. laughing We are waiting for a response to remove Yanukovych.
              3. Kars
                Kars 23 October 2013 12: 03 New
                +1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                You do not know, Onishchenko removed

                What is the difference? Onishchenko was a chain dog, they put another.
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                We are waiting for a response to remove Yanukovych.

                I didn’t know that your onishchenko was elected to the post by popular vote.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 23 October 2013 17: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Oh, but with this to Kars.

        I do not advise you to contactKars lately I have “passed” something and it is becoming dangerous - inadequate, rushes to everything that moves ...
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 10: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Akim
    What to argue with the blockheads (well, sorry for the allegory).

    I don’t know who you consider yourself to be, but judging by the fact that you wrote in past comments, past topics wink
    In short, when a person has nothing to say at all, he tries to insult. But in your case, even this happens, like ..... in Ukrainian. In general, nothing.
    1. Akim
      Akim 23 October 2013 11: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I do not know who you consider yourself to be there, but judging by the fact that you wrote in past comments

      Don’t break the pumpkin. Dubolom is not an insult. This is such a main character trait. It's almost like saying BARAN. Only this is an insult. Although it is closer to the truth.
    2. Civil
      Civil 23 October 2013 11: 43 New
      +1
      [quote = Alexander Romanov] [quote = Akim] What to argue with the blockheads (well, sorry for the allegory). [/ quote]
      Do not enter into conversations with people with obvious deviant behavior, they even have such a state. Be above their illogical behavior and lack of common sense in words and deeds.
      1. Akim
        Akim 23 October 2013 12: 33 New
        0
        Quote: Civil
        Do not enter into conversations with people with obvious deviant behavior, they even have such a state.

        If you are given one side of information, this does not mean that: "There are two opinions. One is mine. The other is wrong." The generally accepted norms are different for each society.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 23 October 2013 12: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: Akim
          If you are given one side of information, this does not mean that: "There are two opinions. One is mine. The other is wrong."

          I recalled my argument with you about the awareness of Russians about the situation in Ukraine and the accuracy (veracity) of the facts cited in our media ...

          And here's a joke about this:On the Internet resource argue Ukrainian and Russian;

          Украинец - How can one judge the true state of affairs in Ukraine from television programs? None of them convey realities ...

          Russian - And what about the program "Golі and Smіshni" ("Naked and Funny") ???

          You can interpret the comment as you like,BUT Ukraine appears (and not only in front of the Russian Federation) Naked and FUNNY request
        2. Kars
          Kars 23 October 2013 13: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Corsair
          oh, BUT Ukraine appears (and not only in front of the Russian Federation) Naked and FUNNY

          Yes, you're still that non-traditional))))
        3. Corsair
          Corsair 23 October 2013 13: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: Kars
          Yes, you're still that non-traditional))))

          "Push up" and "give out" at least something close to the topic.
          Your ability to "carry shit" in a dispute with me is not an argument. Such "alignment" will "ride" with those who cannot ARGUMENTED answer, return to REALITY ...
        4. Kars
          Kars 23 October 2013 13: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: Corsair
          at least something close to the topic.

          Like what did you write?
          Quote: Corsair
          And here's a joke

          )))))))) as thematic. Well at least you do not deny your
          Quote: Kars
          non-traditional))))
    3. Akim
      Akim 23 October 2013 13: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Corsair
      BUT Ukraine appears (and not only in front of the Russian Federation) Naked and FUNNY

      I look both in English and in Spanish and Polish (if I strain myself, then in French). There is no such thing there. Further Oder about Ukraine generally say almost nothing. And about - naked ... Femen know. Thank God they fled to France.
    4. Corsair
      Corsair 23 October 2013 13: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: Akim
      I look both in English and in Spanish and Polish (if I strain myself, then in French). There is no such thing there.

      Yes of course laughing , now, in the light of the prospects of signing the Association, in anticipation of the "sweet" rhetoric about the adequacy of the Ukrainian government and the state of the economy, QUIED ...
      But read the publications of the period of Kuchma's presidency and the "early" Yanukovych (before his treacherous "turn" towards the West), betrayal primarily of the hopes and aspirations of their voters, who were promised rapprochement with Russia ...
    5. Kars
      Kars 23 October 2013 13: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Corsair
      before his treacherous "turn" towards the West)

      Maybe before the treacherous behavior of the Russian Federation? After Yanukovych extended the lease of Sevastopal and closed the committees for joining NATO? What did he get in return? What did Gazprom want to get the Ukrainian gas transportation system? Maybe something else?
    6. Corsair
      Corsair 23 October 2013 13: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Kars
      and closed the committees for joining NATO? What did he get in return? What did Gazprom want to get the Ukrainian gas transportation system? Maybe something else?

      It is clear that you personally
      closed NATO membership committees
      Particularly worries ...
      A "pipe" ALREADY it’s not a stumbling block, no matter how Ukraine tries to push its price.
      The north and south streams will allow Russia not to worry about the loss of gas.

      And IN GENERAL, an ordinary Ukrainian who was "thrown" by Yanukovych does not care what he didn’t share THERE and with whom ...
    7. Kars
      Kars 23 October 2013 14: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Corsair
      Particularly worries ..

      So answer you weakly?
      Quote: Kars
      Yanukovych extended the lease of Sevastopal, and closed the committees for joining NATO? What did he get in response?

      )))) 0
      Quote: Corsair
      North and South streams will allow

      Congratulations, you have buried billions of dollars in the ground. And you have become dependent on several more countries. And Gazprom is already losing. Yes, and not everything is going smoothly there.
    8. Corsair
      Corsair 23 October 2013 14: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: Kars
      So answer you weakly?

      Why is it WEAK? If you insist, I can "open up" the topic wider.

      In the light of extending the lease of the Naval Naval Base of Sevastopol and a number of objects in the territory of KP, Ukraine received CONFIRMATION OF SAFETY WARRANTIES.
      You should be aware that in the process of acquiring a nuclear-free status, Ukraine received security guarantees from the United States and the Russian Federation ...
      I will keep silent about HOW the United States "ensures security", because you are a convinced "Westerner" and to argue with you is only time to waste request
      There remains ONE REAL GUARANTEE, and if Ukraine followed the principles of the "Great Agreement" it signed - EVERYTHING would be cool ...
    9. Kars
      Kars 23 October 2013 14: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Corsair
      Ukraine has received the CONFIRMATION OF SAFETY WARRANTIES.

      In the second round)) Ukraine weighed at the delivery of nuclear weapons.
      And by the way, can you confirm?
      Simply put, a mythical discount of $ 100. Approximately like a sale in a boutique. Up to $ 500, a new price tag with 600 crossed out and a price of 550)))))
      Quote: Corsair
      There remains ONE REAL GUARANTEE
      You are as real as the rest, and even even less. The USA does not even claim the Crimea.

      Simply put, Yanukovych tensed up, pushed through the Kharkov agreements, and in return, come on again))) And after such a kiddock, they still want something.
    10. Corsair
      Corsair 23 October 2013 15: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Kars
      In the second round)

      Are you not a Ukrainian Estonian?
    11. Kars
      Kars 23 October 2013 15: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Corsair
      Are you not a Ukrainian Estonian?

      No, are you not an Arab Jew? Are you selling the same thing in the second round? Laughter, in principle, who are you? You are a victim of Russian propaganda.

      By the way, the singer Razembaum spoke about her recently, and you are subject to his words. Zombies.
    12. Corsair
      Corsair 23 October 2013 16: 34 New
      0
      Quote: Kars
      No, are you not an Arab Jew?

      The answer to the question is indicative ...

      Do not tell which nation, because of the mentality, is IT typical?
    13. Kars
      Kars 23 October 2013 16: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Corsair
      The answer to the question is indicative ..

      It is significant that you do not know how to read.
      ))))))))
      Quote: Corsair
      Are you not a Ukrainian Estonian?

      Reply.
      Quote: Corsair
      No

      and then the question.
      Quote: Kars
      Are you not an Arab Jew?


      And the statement.
      Quote: Kars
      -you are a victim of Russian propaganda.
  • Akim
    Akim 23 October 2013 14: 03 New
    0
    Quote: Corsair
    rhetoric about the adequacy of the Ukrainian government and the situation of the economy has subsided ...

    What does power have to do with it? They don’t know anything about us. One Frenchman writes to me in an English-language forum that he gave a girl in Kiev for a dinner for which he paid. Like you are all hungry. To which he replied: She gave you just that, and a man always pays for the table with us. He was so surprised at this. They have a maximum cocktail at his expense and ay love u, ay won u.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 23 October 2013 14: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Akim
    What does power have to do with it?

    But, excuse me, it is SO accepted in the Western political establishment - to associate the republics of the former USSR with the politicians of these countries, who are "in sight", and you know what and how your "people's deputies" play tricks ...

    And as for the Frenchie, he probably "took off" the train station or the hungry "trasovichka", and proudly brags about "amorous adventures ...
  • Akim
    Akim 23 October 2013 14: 21 New
    0
    Quote: Corsair
    then he probably "took off" a railway station or a hungry "trasovichka"

    That’s what he wouldn’t do, that’s how it should be. You are a married person, it’s also hard for you to perceive how, after a night club or a cafe, you can wake up in a left woman and she will cook breakfast for you.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 23 October 2013 14: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    It’s also hard for you to perceive how, after a nightclub or a cafe, you can wake up in a left woman and she will cook breakfast for you.

    That's because he is married, and I have 2x sons, I do not hang around night clubs ...
    The family is first and foremost, and HOW all family values ​​are interpreted in Western society.
    So do not "subscribe" for the khryantsuz ...
  • Akim
    Akim 23 October 2013 15: 06 New
    -1
    Quote: Corsair
    So do not "subscribe" for the khryantsuz ...

    Not for the paddling pool, but for the girl. And as for the family. There is a famous phrase of Tolstoy.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 23 October 2013 11: 23 New
    +6
    Quote: Akim
    He was certain that he saw the name of the news on the main page, knowing from whom the first fetid smell was heard.

    Yes, you should not be so upset, the topic of Crimea is very sharp and rather ambiguous.
    I would like to believe that you are aware of this - Russia can MANY give up, but give the peninsula - NEVER.
    1. Akim
      Akim 23 October 2013 12: 26 New
      -1
      Quote: Corsair
      - Russia may MANYLY give up, but surrender the peninsula - NEVER ...

      Late to drink Borjomi ...
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 23 October 2013 12: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        Late to drink Borjomi ...

        Don't say gop ... In general, I prefer "Mirgorodskaya", "the queen of mineral waters" ...
        And abandon their HISTORICALLY prevailing preferences, JUST NOT SO GOING(I hope you understand what I mean wink ) ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 23 October 2013 12: 48 New
          -3
          Let us well recall the hackneyed phrase "It's too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have failed." Don't refuse. Just remember that a whole new generation has grown up in Crimea who do not consider Russia their homeland. Previously, it was necessary to select in the 90s. And now individual people can only do what to rage from unbearable anger.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 23 October 2013 13: 10 New
            0
            Quote: Akim
            Let us well recall the hackneyed phrase "It's too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have failed." Don't refuse.

            This aphorism is familiar sooo long ago from school childhood. Talk about OTHER:

            Quote: Corsair
            And to give up their HISTORICALLY prevailing preferences, JUST DO NOT GO (I hope you understand what I mean) ...


            This is largely a consolidated answer, I think the majority of citizens of Russia and Ukraine to the question:
            Whose Crimea?
            1. Akim
              Akim 23 October 2013 13: 27 New
              0
              Quote: Corsair
              Talk about OTHER:

              And I mean "Mirgorodskaya".
              In general, no matter how many Russians call their peninsula and no matter how they deny the existence of the Tuzla Island in Taman, they are legally and territorially assigned to Ukraine. Bye point. There will be official territorial claims at the Kremlin and put an ellipsis. Then surely two countries will go ....
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 23 October 2013 14: 02 New
                0
                Quote: Akim
                And I mean "Mirgorodskaya".

                "Who is talking about what, and naked about the bath" (In the light of the commentary "Golі and smіshni"). laughing
                1. Akim
                  Akim 23 October 2013 14: 12 New
                  0
                  Quote: Corsair
                  "Who is talking about what, and naked about the bath

                  why then remember her? also with political overtones? recourse
                2. Corsair
                  Corsair 23 October 2013 15: 01 New
                  0
                  Quote: Akim
                  why then remember her? also with political overtones?

                  Finally, just GUESS laughing

                  The "context" is rather with a historical - geopolitical background ...
                3. Akim
                  Akim 23 October 2013 15: 11 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Corsair
                  The "context" is rather with a historical - geopolitical background ...

                  isn’t it hard to live like that? My dad also argues. Apparently in the Donetsk region the air is not only dirty. wassat
                4. Corsair
                  Corsair 23 October 2013 15: 20 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Akim
                  My dad also argues. Apparently in the Donetsk region the air is not only dirty.

                  Being determines consciousness (one of the tenets of philosophy) ...

                  A man who has grown up and brought up, albeit in a tough but fair international environment, will NEVER sacrifice his principles.

                  I’m glad for your father, his health ... And I wish you strive to be like him,
                  "catch" every gesture while he is alive, then it will be too late ...
                5. Akim
                  Akim 23 October 2013 15: 25 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Corsair
                  A man who has been raised and educated, albeit in a tough but fair international environment, will NEVER sacrifice his principles

                  Tell it to people in Biryulevo or Pugachovo. Or is international society organized by Russia and the East Slavic states?
                6. Corsair
                  Corsair 23 October 2013 15: 33 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Akim
                  Tell it to people in Biryulevo or Pugachovo.

                  A case in point is the short-sighted nat policy as the sunset of the USSR and the complete Yeltsin anarchy of 90x.
                  The more such ulcers open, the easier the treatment procedure will be, and something will have to be amputated in a radical way.

                  And God forbid, Ukraine should reach the state of "amputation" as an incurable organ ...
                7. Akim
                  Akim 23 October 2013 15: 50 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Corsair
                  A case in point is the short-sighted nat policy as the sunset of the USSR and the complete Yeltsin anarchy of 90x.

                  So you are agitating for the rules of life like in the USSR do you have in modern Russia? I will subscribe to the first, and not to the second under the second. Odessa is full of Vietnamese, Caucasians, Arabs, blacks. They live in groups, but assimilate into the life of the city.
                  And the ostentatious scolding reminds me of "Peter 1" by A. Tolstoy, when they threw the Tatar prince "Like, choke" to be torn apart by the archers. Nobody will refuse Gaster. Society must be kept open and not separated from them by the barriers of nationalism. So they cluster in their own way.
                8. Corsair
                  Corsair 23 October 2013 16: 13 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Akim
                  So they are grouped in their own way.

                  Heaping occurs when a certain "critical mass" of migrants per square kilometer is exceeded.
                  And whether it is the "prosperous" French Republic or the provincial Central Asian republic - the result is the same, compactly living migrants begin to "grow brown" and demand, in their opinion, the privileges they should be ... + crime and its surroundings.
  • vkrav
    vkrav 23 October 2013 15: 10 New
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    that a whole new generation has grown up in Crimea who do not consider Russia their homeland.

    Are you talking about a common cattle? Or about the Tatars? So they don’t consider Ukraine to be their homeland, they (both categories) consider Crimea a fabulous FREEBLE and try to grab it until it starts. By the way, the tendency itself is typical when it dawns under howls about love in Crimea and Sevastopol .. Something did not come across that from Sevastopol went to work in Vinnitsa or there in IV-Frankivsk. Why not? Why? And about ukrobazu - I drank another dough, distribution of stars, posts and apartments . Well, maybe a second couple of admirals will appear at the navy ...
    1. Akim
      Akim 23 October 2013 15: 21 New
      -2
      Quote: vkrav
      . Something did not come across that from Sevastopol went to work in Vinnitsa or there in IV-Frankivsk.

      Do not sign Sevastopol for the whole Crimea. So from Odessa they don’t go to work there. Strange at some selective logic. Those who took the oath of allegiance to the people of Ukraine are traitors. Well, we forgive the Crimea. And how will you live then? After all, be sure to later reproach the people of the region that they Collaborators and one power changed from another.
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 23 October 2013 15: 32 New
    -3
    Quote: Civil
    And why do we need a foreign (Ukrainian) military base in Sevastopol?

    yes, you don’t have to be there ...
  • domokl
    domokl 23 October 2013 07: 20 New
    12
    Well done, Ukrainians ... The base is very necessary. Well, saying And now we need to try and B .. What kind of ship to build laughing
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 08: 24 New
      14
      Quote: domokl
      And now we need to try and B..A ship which no one to build

      Sanya, why build a ship? Ukrainian sailors are already doing very well with their duties. The oceans are patrolling around the clock laughing
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 23 October 2013 12: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Ukrainian sailors are already doing very well with their duties. The oceans are patrolling around the clock


        and not only sailors, but also motorized rifles, and not only on water, but also under water
      2. domokl
        domokl 23 October 2013 17: 08 New
        +1
        Eh, no Kars on you laughing You’ll be kidding. Here they will find one and a half billion of their manes and begin to finish building that hetman who has been rusting for more than a decade.
        And now the main boat to build .. It will be like in America, the coast guard on boats and motorboats. laughing Enough for modern military doctrine. NATA said that with all my soul she would contribute ...
    2. Simon
      Simon 23 October 2013 11: 25 New
      +2
      Of course they will build, as without a fleet, the Naval Base of Ukraine laughing A couple of motor boats, and for the rest they have not enough budget. tongue
  • Lech from our city
    Lech from our city 23 October 2013 07: 22 New
    +5
    A ship will be built but only somewhere in FRANCE.
    I think the UKRAINIAN INDUSTRY WILL NOT overpower its construction of warships now (too costly).
    1. domokl
      domokl 23 October 2013 08: 04 New
      +5
      Quote: Lech from our city
      A ship will be built but only somewhere in FRANCE.

      laughing We have already beaten France ... So let them seek other countries
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 23 October 2013 07: 25 New
    0
    And why in Sevastopol two bases ??? laughing
    1. kris
      kris 23 October 2013 09: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: Semyon Semyonich
      And why in Sevastopol two bases ???

      soon not one will be.
      the number of ships that will need to be written off is an order of magnitude greater than the number that they plan to build. And if they build at such a pace as they are now, then the quays will soon be almost empty. To the delight of the admirals, who quietly surrender to the hucksters the moorings and structures of the fleet.
  • Sergeant
    Sergeant 23 October 2013 08: 04 New
    +2
    To arrange receptions for NATO guests (partners) - defenders of the "national interests of Ukraine". fellow
    Near the Russian base - ett .. funnier! The interest of "guests" rises at times ... wink
    Probably everything is "according to plan" (as prescribed).
    1. afire
      afire 23 October 2013 09: 49 New
      +1
      I do not think that the presence of a Ukrainian base in the neighborhood will give them the opportunity to let in the warships of "friends", ours will not, although
  • awg75
    awg75 23 October 2013 08: 07 New
    +2
    at this rate of collapse of the army, the most formidable weapon at the Ukrainian base will be their helluva lot of terrible submarine Zaporozhye. but in general, as in a joke - "although not a zym - but I am biting"
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 08: 25 New
      +2
      Ha, hello Su-9 hi. Well, at least now you will justify your cons, well, at least someone laughing
      1. Su-9
        Su-9 23 October 2013 08: 30 New
        +3
        I do not like srach and mockery.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 08: 48 New
          0
          Quote: Su-9
          I do not like srach and mockery.

          And the truth?
          1. Su-9
            Su-9 23 October 2013 08: 55 New
            +2
            I love the truth, who does not love it. If you think that comments like "Through the ass, but they will climb." seem to be true, then I disagree.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 23 October 2013 09: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: Su-9
              I love the truth, who does not love it. If you think that comments like "Through the ass, but they will climb." seem to be true, then I disagree.

              And how else to explain the action of your government? Before Europe show off, like we didn’t make a finger too? So Europe, these show-offs are not interesting, it is interesting to drive a wedge between our countries, and they succeed. The meaning of this base?
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 09: 43 New
                +2
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                The meaning of this base?

                There is no sense and no money for it either
                1. avt
                  avt 23 October 2013 10: 10 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  There is no sense and no money for it either

                  What about show-offs? And Muscovites podgadit? Her, a holy thing to bite!
              2. Su-9
                Su-9 23 October 2013 09: 48 New
                +2
                The Ukrainian government is as mine as yours. This is so, by the way.
                And on the topic - so their ships were there in the Streltsy bay from the moment the fleet was divided, it seems. Well, at least the parade in the summer was under two flags, judging by the photo. So that they would not have discovered there, why bother them immediately? Express a position that Ukraine should not have a fleet? Or what should unite with Russia is possible without the bitterness of normal Ukrainians, which are many on the site.
                And what is the point of more than one base for 3? there are no large ships, that's for sure.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 23 October 2013 09: 58 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Su-9
                  Express a position that Ukraine should not have a fleet?

                  Yes, let them have, for God's sake, but why does it sit on one stool? Moreover, she is already taken. Did you find another place for the base? Nonsense. This pearl can be explained only by the desire to give a damn about Russia.
                  I have nothing against the Ukrainians, but they have a government ... One mate.
                2. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 23 October 2013 10: 09 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Su-9
                  And on the topic - so their ships were there in the Streltsy bay from the moment the fleet was divided, it seems.
                  Well, in fairness, this base from the side of the hill made quite a decent impression this summer. Clean, tidy, the sides are not rusty, there are no holes in the fence. Let's see what happens next. In the same Streletskaya, the Ukrainian military school is located (the former ChVMU named after Nakhimov). And there they have already begun to delay the payment of salaries to the staff, only the day before yesterday a friend complained. All the money for the holiday banged? Or is it one of the first calls of the "European choice"? what
                3. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 10: 41 New
                  0
                  Quote: Su-9
                  Express a position that Ukraine should not have a fleet?

                  You did not understand the essence of the comments, but the point is that Ukraine does not have a fleet!
  • 123dv
    123dv 23 October 2013 08: 37 New
    +2
    Well shozh you so all at once!
    The boys will blow to the tune, go through the ranks, drink, have a snack, and everything else ...
    Service is a compulsory matter, they said the base, then the base!
    Whatever the child was amusing, if only he would not cry.
    1. tun1313
      tun1313 23 October 2013 09: 39 New
      +5
      Lishbo is not with his hands ... Ukraine is de jure and de facto an independent state, building a base - do they need their legal right? For a state with a maritime border is needed. They will be able to keep at an acceptable level, but their problems. The fleet decay their problems, they will figure it out, we can start building ships, we can give the ensemble songs and dances. From the point of view of the state, the movement is correct.
      Yes, Crimea is a pity; Sevastopol has no words at all. But. It has already happened, if we thunder with our bones and no one builds anything to remember insults. We must move on and first of all deal with our fleet.
      1. afire
        afire 23 October 2013 09: 53 New
        -5
        Quote: tun1313

        Yes, Crimea is a pity; Sevastopol has no words at all.

        Why are you in such a mournful tone? No one will give them anything. Ukraine did not have them and there is nothing to get used to
        1. tun1313
          tun1313 23 October 2013 09: 57 New
          0
          Be realistic.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 23 October 2013 08: 53 New
    +3
    I wonder what the composition of the ships at this base will be. I hope overseas friends will not be invited? Defend Ukraine from ... anyone.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 23 October 2013 09: 26 New
      +6
      WEDMAK-I hope overseas friends will not be invited? Defend Ukraine from ... anyone. yes Yes, like two fingers on the asphalt! striped stars - they will be the first to shout! fellow
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 23 October 2013 10: 36 New
        0
        then you should dig a couple of other mines from the Second World War and use them to cover the entrance to the base.
        Type: oh ... surfaced after 70 years. that's the trouble ... you still have a lot of cruisers. minus one or two, you won’t translate. and send humanitarian aid in the form of pissed blankets soaked in some kind of infection. lol
        by the way, the reception with blankets was very sweet when North America was colonized. Many Indians turned their wigwams because of this!
  • ale-x
    ale-x 23 October 2013 09: 08 New
    +2
    Duck and what actually did? Base built a new one or what? Just cleaned the bay from garbage and swept the parade ground before the headquarters?
    1. TRex
      TRex 23 October 2013 09: 24 New
      +4
      Now I don’t know, but earlier there were minesweepers and RTOs in Strelka. There was also a repair shop. Nearby theirs "Naval Institute" - previously a diving station and a test site for damage control ChVVMU was also in Strelka. "Getman Sagaidachny" will not fit there - there are no such berths (or maybe on barrels, along the bay?).
  • Malrey
    Malrey 23 October 2013 09: 23 New
    +1
    Before that, wasn’t that?
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 23 October 2013 09: 38 New
    -4
    No, Ukraine is doing everything right, their great fleet can make room in the Crimea, let them invite "overseas friends", and then we will arrange "Novorossiysk" 1955 for them, if the Italians could, then we can do it.
    "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."
    1. kris
      kris 23 October 2013 09: 42 New
      -1
      Quote: Standard Oil
      , and then we will arrange for them "Novorossiysk" 1955, if the Italians could, then we can handle it.

      Do you personally arrange?
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 23 October 2013 09: 57 New
        -1
        to me, "competent authorities" should deal with this.
        1. kris
          kris 23 October 2013 10: 00 New
          0
          Quote: Standard Oil
          to me, "competent authorities" should deal with this.

          Are they competent?
          1. Standard Oil
            Standard Oil 23 October 2013 10: 23 New
            0
            Quote: kris
            Quote: Standard Oil
            to me, "competent authorities" should deal with this.

            Are they competent?

            You want to say that in all of Russia there are no teams of combat swimmers?
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 10: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: kris
            Are they competent?

            The Russian patriot with an American nickname Chris from those who constantly yells was disapproving.
            1. kris
              kris 23 October 2013 11: 11 New
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              The Russian patriot with an American nickname Chris from those who constantly yells was disapproving.

              epaulettes are paper, and brains are torn down like real !!! laughing
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 11: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: kris

                epaulettes are paper, and the brains are demolished like real !!

                And don’t say, just say everything is fuckedooooooooaaaaaaaaaa
            2. general
              general 23 October 2013 15: 09 New
              +3
              Well, he (kris), unlike you novels, is not happy that someone else's cow is dead.
              You have nothing more to wretched for the Feelings of Own Rapture to scratch, except in the woes of others.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 15: 50 New
                +1
                Quote: chung
                not happy that someone else's cow is dead.

                So the Ukrainian fleet is dead? Well, nothing, sign up with the EU and you will be overwhelmed with high technology and money
                1. general
                  general 23 October 2013 15: 59 New
                  -1
                  And here is the signing of an agreement with the EU to the fact that you enjoy the fact that the neighbor has problems?
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 23 October 2013 16: 15 New
                    +2
                    Quote: chung
                    What do you enjoy when your neighbor has problems?

                    No, I’m just bullshit from those who don’t want to notice problems in their own country. From those who say that everything is fine with the fleet in Ukraine.
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 23 October 2013 10: 18 New
        +6
        Quote: kris
        Do you personally arrange?
        Hurry to report? wink If the card falls like this, then there will be someone. Everything is compact, there are just a lot of scuba diving in Sevastopol and Crimea, there are even more explosives in Inkerman. And there are enough trained people who, in such situations, will have nothing to lose. For me, for example, the crusts of a military instructor-light diving are also not "left". lol
        1. kris
          kris 23 October 2013 11: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: Misantrop
          In a hurry to report? If the card falls like this, then there will be someone. Everything is compact, there are just a lot of scuba gear in Sevastopol and the Crimea, there are even more explosives in Inkerman. And there are enough trained people who, in such situations, will have nothing to lose. For me, for example, the crusts of a military instructor-light diving are also not "left".

          you understand very well that no one will ever give such an order.
          the tops of both Russia and Ukraine are only interested in stuffing pockets.
          and we had enough professionals in Chechnya, but the superior rot stole the victory from the boys.
          PS I myself was born and raised in Sevastopol. And with pain I watch what happens there. And how much harm the Ukrainian government does.
          But artificially pumped (including on topvar) anti-Ukrainian hysteria will bring no less harm. After all, all this increases the number of supporters of Bandera.
          None of the members of the forum asked the question: "What next?"
          Let's go to war to Ukraine? But what about those who have relatives there?
          Or, for the sake of political gains, will we "merge" the Russians there, as it was in Asia and the Caucasus?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 23 October 2013 12: 09 New
            0
            Quote: kris
            But artificially pumped (including on topvar) anti-Ukrainian hysteria will bring no less harm. After all, all this increases the number of supporters of Bandera.

            here you are right.
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop 23 October 2013 21: 31 New
            +2
            Quote: kris
            Or, for the sake of political gains, will we "merge" the Russians there, as it was in Asia and the Caucasus?
            And I - just one of those who are likely to merge. And then, when it’s already really fucking going to lose, someone’s order for me (like dozens of my former colleagues, also Crimeans) would not be needed. And who will now (or then) be the boss who is able to ORDER (or cancel the order). BUT ... it will become a reality ONLY THEN, not earlier. None of us were taught or recruited as provocateurs. request
  • RUSS
    RUSS 23 October 2013 09: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Civil
    Glory to Russia!

    Glory, glory. I don’t care what you say here. There is no need to run away from the dogs - they will chase. So it is here. Sevastopol is a Russian city, not Russian, as if Zhirik and his ilk did not want to.

    Well, this is not Russian, temporarily.
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 23 October 2013 10: 04 New
    +2
    The main thing is what infrastructure facilities have moved to the Navy. Well, the fact that the brothers climbed into our warm bed, so they "just warm up." Difficulties will begin later, when they set up their boats, and begin to invite ships of other states to visit. When it will be necessary to establish a navigation regime and organize the raid service of the integrated naval base. And this is a diplomatic, interstate level. Sailors can only submit proposals. The main thing is that Kozyrevshchina does not prevail again. And so in the future, Sevastopol will remain PMB of the light forces of the fleet. The main naval base will be Novorossiysk. With its winds (bora!) And other delights.
    PS. Something does not add up among the Black Sea inhabitants their favorite song: “We will keep the legendary Sevastopol from x-oh-lov. Sevastopol, Sevastopol - the city of Russian sailors! ”
  • d1m1drol
    d1m1drol 23 October 2013 10: 08 New
    +2
    Well .. the main thing is that it does not cross into NATO smoothly .. but then the 3rd world in the nearest pub can begin))
  • Echo
    Echo 23 October 2013 10: 13 New
    +3
    And who will be based on this base? Ukrian naval raft?
  • Grandson of Veteran
    Grandson of Veteran 23 October 2013 10: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: Wedmak
    I wonder what the composition of the ships at this base will be. I hope overseas friends will not be invited? Defend Ukraine from ... anyone.

    I am sure that for "friends" and fuss. Looking at the current situation in the Ukrainian economy and assuming the consequences of European integration, one can be absolutely sure - even in the medium term, there can be no talk of a full-fledged Ukrainian fleet. But the base is announced. Draw your own conclusions, gentlemen. No banter.
  • avt
    avt 23 October 2013 10: 44 New
    +4
    Quote: Veteran's grandson
    I am sure that for "friends" and fuss.

    I propose to call the base "New Manas"
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 23 October 2013 11: 09 New
    +2
    Excuse me for the stupid question, why does Ukraine have a base in Sevastopol? Does Ukraine have a huge fleet? No. Ukraine has the strongest economy in the region and needs to protect its investments? No. Ukraine is a highly-liberalized country like North Korea? No. The presence of a fleet is vital for Ukraine, like for Great Britain XIX and XX centuries? No. Ukraine is the leading peacebuilder in the world or region? No. Does Ukraine have an enemy in the Black Sea? Well, is it Turkey or Russia, but I think that the citizens of Ukraine have no illusions about the possibility of the Ukrainian fleet, and if so. .., let them be, it’s not harmful to dream. So tell me, why do you need this? Show your flag? So everyone knows that Crimea (so far) belongs to Ukraine, because of Khrushchev and only, Ukraine has no more rights to Crimea, yes and still Ukraine will lose Crimea, only the question is, will it return to Russia, or will it become a hotbed of radical Islam. And then a couple of old ships that were managed to be squeezed from the deaf Yeltsin will not help.
    1. Laur balaur
      Laur balaur 23 October 2013 11: 33 New
      -3
      No need to puff) everyone knows the true position of the Black Sea Fleet scattered in the Crimea. One battle-worthy ship even goes to sea when it correctly fills in the documents for border control (the events with Syria showed). What can you say, as "lodgers" to go to the toilet, and even then without asking you can not.
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 23 October 2013 11: 43 New
        +2
        The dog barks the caravan goes.
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          1. Corsair
            Corsair 23 October 2013 12: 08 New
            0
            Quote: Laur balaur
            I’m saying a herd of donkeys

            That's what, "handsome" (after all, this is literally translated from Moldavian "Fetfrumos", the NAME indicated in the "profile"?), Whom you called "donkeys", the bedding is fascist ...
            Raise srach on Ukrainian - Bandera resources, there you bastard, they will understand.
            Do not know how to argue reasonedly, then you do not belong here ...
      2. kenig1
        kenig1 23 October 2013 11: 47 New
        +2
        could not fill, again the Ukrainian Navy would be disgraced as in 2008.
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    2. Algor73
      Algor73 23 October 2013 11: 51 New
      -1
      Ukraine does not need a strong fleet, it does not have imperial ambitions. But I can't understand why there is such a stir? What, the Ukrainian base has pressed the Russian? Nowhere to put their ships? So with the pace at which the Black Sea Fleet is being "updated", soon it will be possible to establish a third base, such as the Belarusian one, or whatever. I don't understand sarcasm. Instead of "guys, let's live together," we get the opposite, these insults, humiliations, this eternal "hoh ... otism", "svidomism", etc. I understand that you can leave comments, but without offending your opponent, without cynicism. What bad thing did you, Russian brothers, see in the fact that the Ukrainian base settled in Sevastopol, a de jure Ukrainian city? What has changed besides how they put things in order?
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 23 October 2013 12: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: Standard Oil
      So tell me why this is necessary? Show your flag?

      Nope! So that on the day of the Navy, the President of Ukraine arrives at the fleet and congratulates his sailors. Again, come to the brothers on board the ship and surprise everyone with the prowess and combat power of the Nezalezhna Ukraine cruiser with a displacement of 15 tons.
      Quote: Standard Oil
      and still Ukraine will lose Crimea,

      And it is possible. But how tormented! Crimean Tatars - these will be more terrible than Wahhabis. So the Islamic radicalism of the Crimean spill, the brothers sip in full.
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Everyone knows the true position of the Black Sea Fleet in the Crimea.

      Wimp! RUSSIA is capitalized! This was even mastered by the Yankees, and before that, the Nazis. This is a word.
      Essentially. New corvettes will come to the Black Sea Fleet soon. In addition, there is RRC "Moscow", MRK and other units. BUT this does not suit you (strengthening our presence at the Black Sea Fleet). This is your independent leadership against the renewal of the naval personnel of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. So what are you clucking about old ships !? Or would you like the Americans to walk on the Black Sea like at home, but we couldn't even say "meow"? This will not happen!
  • Makarov
    Makarov 23 October 2013 11: 32 New
    0
    Seagulls for airplanes, we will build ships out of paper
    Our pilots - sailors - tin soldiers ...

    Thu ... (unprintable word) ...
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  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 23 October 2013 11: 55 New
    +1
    Angry you, gentlemen, and cynical ... Pyotr Kononovich will leave you and will not show his nose in Korsun.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 23 October 2013 12: 01 New
    +2
    tin read about the thoughts of some .. give a diva, joke or seriously.
    I hope that they are joking.
    Threat Akim, you will soon become cleaner Kars for them. request
    1. TRex
      TRex 23 October 2013 13: 26 New
      0
      Yes, they’re joking, joking ... don’t worry. Otto Skorzeny is direct in words, and in the case, secondary sexual characteristics have not yet appeared ...
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 24 October 2013 10: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Cristall
      tin read about the thoughts of some ..wonderare joking or seriously.
      I hope that they are joking.
      Threat Akim, you will soon become cleaner Kars for them.


      Dev, Daiva (Avestan), Div (Farsi), Deus is an evil spirit, a giant covered with wool. They are big, strong, stupid, portrayed with small horns. The tales describe cases of abduction of women for cohabitation.
  • Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 23 October 2013 12: 24 New
    +5
    Reading such comments, you might think that you are unfortunately not in my city and Crimea belong to Ukraine. To my regret, Ukraine is not a member of the TS. On its territory, it is free to base its naval forces as it wants. In general, the news somewhat surprised me since their vessels stood in the Streltsy bay, the main part was based on berth 8.
    Maybe they want to collect the remains in one place? Comrade scuba divers why didn’t you protect us when the famous Goladiya submarine school was captured, why didn’t you participate in the defense of the Count's wharf, where you were when I (a special case) and my watch didn’t let Ukrainians take over at night. police. through several days they prevented the rise of the Ukrainian flag and raised Andreevsky. Comrades now it’s too late to drink Borjomi, you need to look for other ways, otherwise the right word is some kind of kindergarten.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 23 October 2013 21: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Fotoceva62
      why did not participate in the defense of the Count's wharf

      And who said that I was not there then? wink
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 23 October 2013 12: 40 New
    -2
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Corsair
    - Russia may MANYLY give up, but surrender the peninsula - NEVER ...

    Late to drink Borjomi ...

    I completely agree on the fact Crimea Tatar I want someone or not, but we rode Crimea
    1. biglow
      biglow 23 October 2013 19: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Forestman
      Quote: Akim
      Quote: Corsair
      - Russia may MANYLY give up, but surrender the peninsula - NEVER ...

      Late to drink Borjomi ...

      I completely agree on the fact Crimea Tatar I want someone or not, but we rode Crimea

      never say never ... In our world, everything is temporary, including the retreat from previously occupied positions ...
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 23 October 2013 21: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: Forestman
      in fact Crimea Tatar
      And kharya they will not crack? Although, if there was a butch, they can deliver a lot of troubles ... sad
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  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 23 October 2013 16: 00 New
    +4
    I do not understand the subject of discussion. Two friendly fleets were deployed in Sevastopol: the Russian Black Sea Fleet and the Ukrainian Black Sea Fleet, which was transformed into a naval base. ATeating nothing has essentially changed. Gentlemen and Panov, I propose not to escalate passions from scratch.
  • gych
    gych 23 October 2013 18: 17 New
    -1
    Quote: Civil
    And why do we need a foreign (Ukrainian) military base in Sevastopol?

    as I understand it, you are encroaching on the supremacy of Ukraine and inciting ethnic conflict ?!
  • gych
    gych 23 October 2013 18: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Akim
    True, I still sinned on Romanov.

    I was just in a different topic. I fully agree with Civilian; we do not need a foreign military base in Sevastopol! Although, what is the Ukrainian base what Okay good, rebase your creaser laughing

    the truth is excellent that UKRAINOFOB moderator ?! You can humiliate the UKRAINIAN PEOPLE only from you and others, and if you criticize Russia, you delete and edit messages (this applies not only to this mod)
    1. Akim
      Akim 23 October 2013 18: 38 New
      0
      Quote: gych
      Filing you only to you and others can be humiliated by the UKRAINIAN PEOPLE, and when criticizing Russia, you delete and edit messages

      It has long been necessary to get used to the fact that in Russia, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly are nominal. The Constitution is, but not in life.
      1. gych
        gych 23 October 2013 18: 46 New
        0
        who knows how to attract the website’s modernists to the responsibility for inserting the following words into my message (answer for the humiliation of the UKRAINIAN PEOPLE):, I’m a Nazi face!
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 24 October 2013 10: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        It has long been necessary to get used to the fact that in Russia, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly are nominal. The Constitution is, but not in life.

        Think about the observance of the rights and freedoms of citizens of Ukraine specified in the Ukrainian constitution.
        1. Akim
          Akim 24 October 2013 10: 27 New
          0
          Quote: Corsair
          Think about the observance of the rights and freedoms of citizens of Ukraine

          I thought about it. I did not find a shortage. I 5 (already 6 years ago) was a journalist. You can drive to power, anything (if the editors miss). Nobody then beats you with checks, licensing, re-accreditation. If you want - take a flag or a banner, go out into the street and wave them to shit ... ki. If you were blown away by this boss from work, turn to local television and after the plot they will not be patted in the head administration for this. Just be able to use their rights. You can pinch your fist in your mouth and receive a pension of 900 hryvnias, or you can hit this table with your fist, come with a social lawyer and count it already at 1,5 thousand. I so counted my pension and my batik. Moreover, the district pension fund was so intimidating that I have more pension for 10 years of service than my parents for 25-30.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 24 October 2013 13: 06 New
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            Just be able to use their rights. You can pinch your fist into your mouth and receive a pension of 900 hryvnias, or you can hit this table with your fist on the table
            It’s a pity, there are no such knockers in the leadership of the Ukrainian Academy ... I already wrote that the salary is being delayed there. And here is the latest news:
            The Ukrainian Navy Academy in Sevastopol was disconnected from electricity for debts

            http://ikrim.net/2013/1023/236125.html
            The military, of course, hopes that this will not happen for long and nothing bad happened ...
            1. Akim
              Akim 24 October 2013 16: 43 New
              0
              Quote: Misantrop
              The Ukrainian Navy Academy in Sevastopol was disconnected from electricity for debts

              What does it have to do with it? The object is not strategic. They have the right - according to the laws of business. Tomorrow they will show on ICTV and everything will be all right.
    2. 755962
      755962 23 October 2013 19: 57 New
      -1
      Quote: gych
      while criticizing Russia

      Dear! RUSSIA is written with a capital letter!
      1. gych
        gych 23 October 2013 21: 11 New
        0
        how they relate to my country, so I am writing about yours (RUSSIA) and this does not change the essence of the matter!
        1. 755962
          755962 23 October 2013 21: 16 New
          +2
          Personally, I am quite normal towards Ukraine, my relatives and friends still live and live there.
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 23 October 2013 21: 20 New
          0
          Quote: gych
          how they relate to my country, so I write about your

          "Whoever praises me better than anyone else will get sweet candy" (quote from an old cartoon). Isn't it time to grow up?
  • biglow
    biglow 23 October 2013 19: 38 New
    0
    this is called optimization of what remains of the Ukrainian ... fleet laughing
  • alone
    alone 23 October 2013 23: 10 New
    +3
    hi I don’t see the logic in all this crap. All the same, they are creating their own base of the Navy, and not NATO.

    I wish the Ukrainian sailors good luck in serving on the Black Sea and wherever.

    and that the ships always return safe and sound.