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Why do Russian-speaking citizens of Kazakhstan seek to change a blue passport to a red one?

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Emigration discomfort


What motivates Kazakhstani Russians who leave their homes? And why are many of them coming back? As the Federal Migration Service of the Russian Federation states, Kazakhstan ranks second among the countries from where compatriots go to Russia as part of the state resettlement program.

Controversial statistics

As the Deputy Minister of Regional Development of the Russian Federation Svetlana Ivanova announced earlier this month, according to the state program to assist the voluntary resettlement of compatriots living abroad, during the period from 2007 to 2012, 125 thousand people moved to Russia. In 2013, after the program became indefinite, 20 of thousands of citizens returned to their ethnic homeland. According to the vice-minister, the state program turned out to be the most popular among compatriots living in Kazakhstan (about 30% come from there), Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan (20%), Armenia and Ukraine (10%).

However, the information voiced by Ms. Ivanova does not quite fit in with the data of the FMS of the Russian Federation. As the head of the department for organizing work with compatriots of the FMS Vitaly Yakovlev noted last week, approximately 22 thousands of people returned to Russia this year, another 55 thousand expressed a similar desire. But the most important thing is that, according to the FMS version, Uzbekistan is in the first place and only then comes Kazakhstan. Following Ukraine and Moldova are located.

However, all these figures are not even close to the UN information. According to the organization’s September report, Russia-Ukraine (3,5 million people), Ukraine-Russia (2,9 million), and Kazakhstan-Russia (2,5 million) are among the most popular “migration routes” in the world. For the Republic of Kazakhstan with a population of 17 million people is a crazy figure, which is difficult to accept. Especially considering the fact that the Russian Federation still cannot reach the level in 300 of thousands of repatriates whom they promised to accept at the start of the program. It is possible that there was a typo, an error or the reason for the wrong translation ... It is possible that “migration” in this case meant trips to study, business trips, etc. Unfortunately, we could not find out. We did not receive a response to our request sent to the UN office in Almaty.

Anyway, but Kazakhstan has really succeeded in migratory affairs. According to the results of the 2012 study of the year conducted by the American Pew Research Center, we took the 11-place in the list of countries - suppliers of migrants. Thus, over the past 20 years (1991-2010) 4 million 150 thousand people left Kazakhstan, including 2 million 130 thousand people (51%) - Muslims, 560 thousand (14%) - Christian, and about 10 thousand (less than one percent) - the Jews.

And finally, let us turn to the figures, called our state bodies. According to the Statistics Agency of Kazakhstan, in the first six months of 2013, 12 902 people emigrated from Kazakhstan. The share of Russians was 71%. Over the past year, more than 21 thousands of people from the Russian population dropped out of the country, of whom 20 thousands went to Russia.

Who and why runs from Kazakhstan?

According to Kazakhstani sociologists, people leave not only for traditional reasons: dissatisfaction with the standard of living, difficulties with employment and housing, lack of social guarantees and prospects, family reunion, etc. There are purely specific reasons for Kazakhstan. Thus, according to Madina Nurgaliyeva, head of the department of sociopolitical research at KISS, when it comes to ethnic Russian citizens of Kazakhstan who are moving to Russia for permanent residence, arguments such as discrimination based on ethnicity and language are often added. Although in reality they are not so weighty to become a reason for moving to another country.

For example, many experts believe that the language factor is artificially injected. In the framework of the expert survey, the materials of which were published in the previous issue of the CAM, they agreed that the Russian language will remain in Kazakhstan for a long time as a bridge to the big world. “Nothing threatens his status, no matter what anyone says. There is more than enough Russian in the country, ”then political analyst Serik Belgibay explained. “For anyone in Kazakhstan, this is inalienable: like the mountains of Alatau or a sharply continental climate,” said Talgat Kasenov, chairman of the NGO “Almaly zhastary”. “It is impossible to oust. This is one of the six world languages ​​spoken by more than two hundred million people, ”Erkin Baydarov, a leading researcher at the Institute of Oriental Studies of the MES RK, recalled.

Experts and the ethnic factor consider the “bloated” too much - after all, the Russians continue to be the second largest national group in the republic after the Kazakhs. Both ethnos bind a long period of living together on the same territory, the total историяcultural and spiritual values. According to experts, this is the key to peaceful coexistence and friendly relations between them.

Fears and delusions arise largely due to the short-sighted policy of official state structures that are trying to place the main blame on Kazakh nationalists, although the problem lies in them themselves, states Tolganai Umbetaliyeva, director of the Central Asian Foundation for the Development of Democracy. The outflow of the Russian population, in her opinion, is mainly due to two reasons: “Firstly, this is the lack of prospects. They do not see here a future for themselves and their children, since the system built in Kazakhstan leaves no hope for this, and especially for the possibility of self-realization. Secondly, the situation in the country in recent years has been unstable, both in the economic and political spheres. The mechanisms for ensuring social justice are incapable, the institutions of legal protection do not work. ”

But still, the main reason, according to Serik Belgibaya, is the desire of Russians to live among their own, in their familiar cultural environment. “It has been more than 20 years since the creation of the Republic of Kazakhstan, but they still did not adapt to new cultural and demographic realities. They almost always choose an isolation strategy, live in their own world. Moreover, this trend continues and even increases. It has long been uncommon that commercial companies are almost entirely composed of representatives of Slavic ethnic groups. But you can't live like that for long. The shape of Kazakhstan is changing. Kazakh speech is increasingly heard on the streets, the number of Kazakhs is increasing, and this is another reason for the discomfort for the Russian population. Habitual environment is changing. It becomes Asian, Muslim. For all the 20 years of the new country’s existence, practically nothing has been done to resolve this situation, except for spells on stability and interethnic world, ”the political scientist said in an interview with Radiopoint.

In the current situation, Kazakhstan is unable to stop the Russians. The process of their emigration, I am sure Serik Belgibay, will occur constantly, but only at different rates - quickly, as in 1990, or slowly, as in the middle of the “zero” ones. Moreover, the expert predicts, the appearance of the Russian population of Kazakhstan will change, not only quantitatively but also qualitatively. “Today, many Russians send their children to study in Russia - of course, with the prospect that they will stay there. Young, active, rich, educated people are leaving. So gradually, the average indicator of the Russian population in terms of education, income will decline, and in terms of age it will grow, the political scientist argues.

Strangers among their

However, in the ethnic homeland of the Kazakhs, Russians are also not welcome with open arms. Compatriots who have arrived informally find themselves in the status of “strangers among their own”, and there are a lot of reasons for this, one of which is hostility from the local population. As a rule, people who have moved to Russia under the program of assisting voluntary resettlement are sent to the most depressed regions of the country, the level and quality of life in which do not always correspond to their needs and expectations. In addition, they are everywhere faced with bureaucratic and economic obstacles. And the unregulated issues of registration at the place of residence and obtaining Russian citizenship creates obstacles for them at all stages: in finding a job, studying, getting a lift, benefits, buying a home.

As an employee of the Center for Migration Studies, Elena Kirillova, notes in one of her analytical notes, compatriots were promised housing with the relevant documents, but only 10% of the displaced people received it. “Almost all respondents who participated in our survey lived either in dormitories or in semi-abandoned and collapsed shacks (barracks, barns, carriages), which had long been overdue. Few were lucky enough to get apartments in houses built by the Federal Migration Service specifically for internally displaced persons. But this housing is temporary and fragile. However, the problem was not only in the absence of normal housing, but also in the fact that even if the housing was provided to the displaced people, it was not allowed to be settled for themselves, ”Kirillov states.

According to the expert, Russia is a bit late with this program. Those who wanted to move to Russia for permanent residence left, and the majority of those who remained were adapted. And the situation in the CIS countries has changed. “Many of them are developing faster than Russia, skilled workers are in demand everywhere. Now the Russians from the former Soviet republics are not eager to give up an established life and indulge in the unknown. First, the size of the “lifting” does not pay back the huge costs of resettlement, and secondly, the big problems with housing. And the one who assumes the relocation no longer acts rashly - at first he comes to reconnoiter. And what he saw in Russia is not encouraging. Therefore, many migrants today prefer the tactics of temporary visits to work, rather than permanent residence, ”notes Elena Kirillova.

The solution of all these problems is sometimes delayed for years and becomes the main reason for the return of the Russians back to Kazakhstan.
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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 21 October 2013 06: 31
    +5
    And really his among strangers, a stranger among his own. Good morning everyone! hi
    1. Civil
      Civil 21 October 2013 06: 49
      22
      It’s just that Kazakh Russians have enough money to move, and until the last they probably didn’t want to go to frosts. From Uzbekistan, my relatives were kicked out at 91 in 24 hours without further ado, and burned at home.
      1. Blackscorp
        Blackscorp 21 October 2013 07: 19
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        You know, the article is a big minus, I myself moved from Kazakhstan in 2010 and everything that is said here is complete nonsense ... Almost all of my entourage in Kazakhstan either moved or are ready to do this, and among them there are quite a few Kazakhs ... and those who have moved live no worse than in KZ ... And the main reason is "quiet" discrimination based on nationality and language (including for Kazakhs), it's just not customary to talk about it in Kazakhstan. ..In the article, some "Expert" says something about commercial structures in which there is supposedly one Slavic ethnic group, but for some reason he is silent about the obligation of each enterprise to hire Kazakhs, which is controlled by akimats of all levels, that the courts, the prosecutor's office, police, banks, etc., etc., etc., consist of 95% of Kazakhs and not because of the absence of other candidates ... The only thing I agree with is that after a certain time, mostly declassed element and elderly people will remain in Kazakhstan (here I mean only Russian linguistic population), because the youngest and most efficient part of it leaves ...
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 21 October 2013 08: 37
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          Quote: BlackScorp
          after a certain time in Kazakhstan there will remain mainly a declassified element and elderly people (here I mean only the Russian-speaking population), because the youngest and most efficient part of him is leaving ...

          This suggests that the most able-bodied part of the population does not see further prospects in the country of residence and most importantly for their children.All of whom I know from immigrants and this is not only Kazakhstan but other CIS countries, everyone calls this reason.Kazakhstan is the last Central Asian country where people of European appearance (not only Russians) still make up a significant percentage of the population, They were kicked out of other countries almost immediately, the methods only differed, where forcibly, where voluntarily-forcibly. Therefore, against their background, naturally the migration figures of the Russian-speaking population look so significant. And after the creation of the CES, you can leave without changing your passport (citizenship),
          «
          Now people are more likely to travel without changing their citizenship, especially to Russia or Belarus. Now you can live and work there without changing your passport, so we will have a huge internal migration. The FMS of Russia cited such figures that in mid-January of this year, more than 500 thousand Kazakhstanis were registered, ”said Marat Shibutov, representative of the Association for Cross-Border Cooperation in Kazakhstan.

          If we take the statistics of the Agency of the Republic of Kazakhstan on migration, according to it, in January-July in Kazakhstan for all flows, the number of arrivals amounted to 173 people, departures - 690 people. Of these, the number of immigrants amounted to 174 people, emigrants - 362 12 people, which is 230% (12 902 people) and 2012% (32 17 people) respectively, compared to the same period of 974.
          Of the total number of emigrants, the share of Russians was 70,9% (73,8%), Ukrainians - 8% (7,6%), Germans 6,4% (5,5%), and among immigrants the share of Kazakhs was 62,3 , 69% (4%), Kyrgyz - 1,8% (2,5%), Uzbeks - 2,6% (2,2%), Azerbaijanis - 2,2% (XNUMX%).
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          The tendency is that Kazakhstan, like the rest of the countries of Central Asia and the Caucasus, is turning into a mono-ethnic state of the eastern type. All this is done not for the benefit of the titular nation, but along with the Anglo-Saxon policy, the main purpose of which is in no case to prevent the reconstruction of the USSR in one form or another Russian Empire. Ideally, Russia should be surrounded by mono-ethnic entities hostile to it, primarily at the cultural and mental level. Divide and rule politics is nothing new.
          1. Starfish
            Starfish 21 October 2013 11: 49
            +4
            There are quite a lot of immigrants to the Omsk region; I myself encounter them when working with them. most from Kazakhstan, then Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan. By the way, a lot of ethnic Kazakhs are traveling. there are areas in the city, mainly the private sector, where Kazakhs, if not the majority, then half for sure
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 12: 13
              +2
              Quote: Starfish
              immigrants to the Omsk region travels a lot

              rode. now the stream has dried up for a long time. 20 thousand immigrants from Kazakhstan to all of Russia per year. And as much back.
              Quote: Starfish
              By the way, a lot of ethnic Kazakhs are traveling.

              On the contrary. Kazakhs more often leave the Omsk region for Kazakhstan. Another thing is that the village Kazakhs of the Omsk region are also moving to the city of Omsk.
              Even despite the fact that the birth rate of the Kazakhs is normal, according to statistics, we see that the number of Kazakhs in the Omsk region is declining:
              2002 - 81618 people;
              2010 year - 78303 people.
              And here is the info from the FMS website in your area:
              "On December 27, an extended meeting was held at the Office of the Federal Migration Service for the Omsk Region, at which the results of service activities for 2012 were summed up ...
              In the outgoing year, the migration situation in the Omsk region is still characterized by a negative migration balance. The number of leaving citizens of the Russian Federation exceeded the number of arrivals by 1650 people ... "
              Question: And who among the inhabitants of the region oppress you, that people leave more often than they come?
              1. Starfish
                Starfish 21 October 2013 12: 42
                +1
                Something statistics is somehow strange:

                2002 - 81618 people;
                2010 year - 78303 people.

                I don’t see a decrease in the Kazakhs, in fact, probably not all are prescribed.

                Question: And who among the inhabitants of the region oppress you, that people leave more often than they come?

                how does anyone oppress? all the same persons in the Russian and regional governments. and quite a lot of people come from the Far East - they live here, they work.
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 12: 51
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                  Quote: Starfish
                  I don’t see a decrease in the Kazakhs, in fact, probably not all are prescribed.

                  because according to the statistics of the Omsk region it is clearly seen that even despite a decrease in the Kazakhs in the structure of the region’s inhabitants, their number as a percentage increased due to a decrease in the number of Russians.
                  If in 2002 81 thousand Kazakhs accounted for 3,93% of the region's population, then in 2010 78 thousand Kazakhs were equal to 3,96% of the region's population. Despite their decline, the percentage of Kazakhs "grew up" due to the massive decline of the Russian population in the Omsk region.

                  Quote: Starfish
                  how does anyone oppress? all the same persons in the Russian and regional governments.

                  But why are you always oppressed by something ... Move to Kazakhstan, there, to the official, what a nationality are you.
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 21 October 2013 13: 16
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                    Quote: Marek Rozny
                    But why are you always oppressed by something ... Move to Kazakhstan, there, to the official, what a nationality are you.
                    - as he milked for the performance of his direct duties, he will milk, and to the lantern to him that you are Kazakh, Russian, Uighur or Congolese laughing Although, of course, this is not funny, but it is true.
                    1. Starfish
                      Starfish 21 October 2013 13: 27
                      +3
                      Why are you oppressed everywhere ... Move to Kazakhstan

                      I had in mind economically, here they are going to introduce social norms, tariffs are rising everywhere. what is it if not oppression? but in Kazakhstan I don’t think that the official cares about the problems of ordinary people.
                    2. nov_tech.vrn
                      nov_tech.vrn 21 October 2013 15: 25
                      +1
                      but there is a nuance, and you should know it, that's why they leave
                  2. Setrac
                    Setrac 21 October 2013 22: 01
                    +2
                    Quote: Marek Rozny
                    Move to Kazakhstan, there, to the official, what a nationality are you.

                    The official may even be in the mood for a light bulb, but the one who appoints these officials is not up to the light bulb. There are NO officials of Russian nationality in Kazakhstan.
                    1. Netrocker
                      Netrocker 22 October 2013 12: 15
                      0
                      Bulk officials here Slavic nationality ....
                  3. Alex Bugur
                    Alex Bugur 23 October 2013 06: 50
                    0
                    Well, where are you living yourself ?!
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 21 October 2013 12: 12
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            Quote: Ascetic
            The trend is that Kazakhstan, like other countries of Central Asia and the Caucasus, will


            only please remove Georgia and Azerbaijan from this list .... smile first look at the numbers, how many live there and what nationalities .. then say ..... but Armenia is just right ---- a real mono-ethnic state ....
          3. Lindon
            Lindon 21 October 2013 14: 20
            +3
            Quote: Ascetic

            The trend is that Kazakhstan, like the rest of the countries of Central Asia and the Caucasus, is turning into a mono-ethnic state of the eastern type.


            Dear,
            Just do not be offended, but you just wrote nonsense.
            Kazakhstan has no chance of becoming mono-ethnic - there is such a hodgepodge of 130 peoples. To assimilate 7 mln of non-Kazakhs - 10 mln of Kazakhs - is not realistic !!! No one is going to leave - just the birth rate of the Russians is low, and the Uzbeks are high - so the balance will change gradually - for centuries. The same goes in Russia. These are facts of our reality.
            1. Netrocker
              Netrocker 22 October 2013 12: 17
              +3
              ... Uzbeks? !!! There are only a few Uzbeks in Kazakhstan! lol
        2. Alibekulu
          21 October 2013 08: 51
          -1
          Quote: BlackScorp
          ..And the main reason is "quiet" discrimination based on nationality and language (including for Kazakhs), it's just that it's not customary to talk about it in Kazakhstan ..
          Everyone sees what he wants to see.
          For some reason, the Russians, Kazakhstan, Russia, are considering everything from the perspective of a stalk on their own ...
          For some reason, seeing Kazakhs in positions, they do not at all point to see Kazakhs who live below the poverty line, where Kazakhs are beyond competition ...
          Russians have a peculiar perspective, noticing Kazakhs in Mercedes without noticing the masses of Kazakhs working on rough work. And these Kazakhs, unlike the Russians, have no opportunity to "run away" with cries of "we are being oppressed" ..
          As for the language, there are regularly cases when a Kazakh, Kazakh woman cannot receive services, advice due to the fact that the opposite side does not know the state (Kazakh) language. Question, this is not an infringement of the rights of the Kazakh-speaking population, of which the majority ?!
          Yes, and do not confuse sour with salty. The main problem is not national, but socio-economic. The situation in post-Soviet Kazakhstan is absolutely similar to the situation in the Russian Federation and other CIS countries.
          P.S. The problem is not new; it has already been described in Russian literature. Remember "The Cherry Orchard" by A.P. Chekhov.
          1. avt
            avt 21 October 2013 09: 14
            +3
            Quote: Alibekulu
            The situation in post-Soviet Kazakhstan is absolutely similar to the situation in the Russian Federation and other CIS countries.

            Yes, that’s natural.
            Quote: Alibekulu
            The main problem is not national, but socio-economic

            And here I do not agree, the problem is national and socio - economic. It could not be otherwise when building a state on a national basis, by the way, if the former republics of the USSR kind of `` flared up '' with a question, since there is simply no other ideology for building an independent state, and they were not particularly looking for, then Russia is slowly but surely flaring up, that by and large, to put it mildly, the authorities do not bother with real domestic politics, it will end badly.
            1. Alibekulu
              21 October 2013 09: 38
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              Quote: avt
              And here I do not agree, the problem is national
              Maybe it is, but national as a result of socio-economic problems.
              Quote: nemec55
              The most unfortunate and shameful being a participant in the genocide in which the Kazakhs, although not on a global scale, were still implicated in the attitude towards the Russian-speaking population.
              My friend recourse , yes you definitely hit your head on the asphalt ...
              I will give an example that does not in any way refer to the "genocide of Russians in Kazakhstan", but I think it can explain a lot.
              About three years ago, a good friend of mine decided to marry. He really liked the girl, which is called "This is mine." Those. satisfied in every sense. And as a wife, and as a mistress and as a mistress. But, his parents were totally against it. She was married and has a child.
              We sit and drink beer. I told him: "Forget it on your parents, it's your choice, and then they will put up with it."
              And in their family it was already like this with the elders .. and the father's brother took with the child and the father's sister got married 3 times (three sons from different fathers). We drank enough .. well, and the parents saw enough that "We don't need this."
              And, often in these families, the following situation. Somewhere a child naughty, and accordingly, it is necessary to punish .. But okay, your son, with a belt on the priest, is perceived absolutely normal, but if a stranger ?! And then it begins: "And this is because it is not native crying "
              "Offend fatherlessness" belay
              So many Russians in Kazakhstan, often out of the blue begin: "This is all because I am black (Russian)" ...
              1. avt
                avt 21 October 2013 13: 39
                +3
                Quote: Alibekulu
                Maybe it is, but national as a result of socio-economic problems.

                And these are communicating vessels, they feed each other, it is always convenient to merge one onto the other and stay at the same time in all white against the background of those around.
          2. Essenger
            Essenger 21 October 2013 09: 17
            -24 qualifying.
            Quote: Alibekulu
            The situation in post-Soviet Kazakhstan is absolutely similar to the situation in the Russian Federation

            On the national question in Russia, things are worse. Fascism blooms there.
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 21 October 2013 10: 48
              +6
              I read and am amazed .. A person writes that Kazakhs do not receive proper service due to the lack of knowledge of the state language (Kazakh) by the service side. And he immediately cons ... What, is he wrong about something? Should non-indigenous citizens care less about the majority language? Then why does the screeching and howling rise when it is written that some migrant does not know Russian ... This is certainly not normal, and I agree with you. But a Russian, living in another country, does not bother to master the state, and THIS is already considered, judging by the minuses, normal. And we have such - they live for 50-60 years, but they cannot connect two words. But there are also exceptions. I personally know several Russians, young guys and girls who work in the marketing department of very large companies, they PERFECTLY know Azerbaijani, receive a very decent salary and do not intend to go to any Russia. One TV channel even has a Russian announcer, leads a news release on The daughter of a Russian neighbor left for St. Petersburg a year ago, and after a while she returned. I could not stand that moral atmosphere. And what are the fables like "someone was kicked out, and the house was burned ..." Why burn the house? Those who have not been able to adapt to the new economic realities leave, so they invent about "persecution and violence." There is no need to carry out double standards, this does not happen - we can, but you cannot.
              1. hrych
                hrych 21 October 2013 12: 02
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                If a third of the population of the republic, and at the time of the collapse of the Union, almost half were not ethnic Kazakhs and the Russian language (including for the Germans) was their native language, they simply did not know Kazakh and did not have to know, because moved not to the country of Kazakhs, but to another part of their USSR state, then transferring, for example, office work to Kazakh is already a xenophobic crime. Now there is a nuance - special knowledge in the field of medicine, science and technology - the terms have Latin, European or Russian names because of the ethnicity of the scientists who made the scientific revolution and the most stupid translation into the language of the people in the 19th century who lived in yurts and already had no written language, a crime against nature .
                One way or another, but the chief akyn Nazarbayev himself says that the outflow of Russian-speakers has already irreversibly affected the medical and educational level of the republic, and Azerbaijanis have one thing to do with equipment that they themselves are not capable of doing (including military) will have to learn Russian or There is an alternative to learning English.
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                2. xetai9977
                  xetai9977 21 October 2013 14: 41
                  +6
                  A worthy citizen of his country
                  1. scientist
                    scientist 21 October 2013 17: 42
                    -2
                    And in Kazakhstan there are also worthy ones. For example Khrapunov. Russian himself was the leader of the whole region and perfectly knew the Kazakh language.
                    And the fact that he is now hiding abroad from Kazakhstani justice, it doesn’t matter wink
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 17: 47
                      +1
                      Quote: scientist
                      For example Khrapunov

                      is this boor worthy? !!!
                      he was considered a boor during the time of the Lenin executive committee, and afterwards he flew completely off the coils
                    2. Asan Ata
                      Asan Ata 22 October 2013 00: 15
                      +2
                      Nonsense! This one spoke Russian with a simulated Kazakh accent, and neither Kazakh boom-boom, he personally knew. And do not call the thief worthy, in Almaty they all hate him. This geek sold everything absolutely, he managed to sell the fountain in front of the circus on the last day of his work, the circus and nothing more! laughing
                      1. Gur
                        Gur 22 October 2013 15: 59
                        +3
                        Khrapunov is a man of the existing and existing system. A thief from thieves, who did everything to be at the feeding trough, just seemed to cross the road to the suffering one, and it started, although for a certain bribe, he was released from the country with the provision of an aircraft for the export of meager belongings. Swiss citizenship was bought for 1 million green per person.
                  2. Gur
                    Gur 22 October 2013 15: 52
                    +3
                    I wonder how she will sing if these threats come to life.

                    "Baku threatened to answer for Biryulyovo
                    If the attacks on Azerbaijanis in Russia do not stop, then adequate measures will be taken against the Russians living in Azerbaijan. Such a statement was sent to the Russian Embassy in Baku on October 17 ... "
                    Those. we will be a little chick chick in the back, and you are silent; otherwise we’ll make chicks at our place too ..
                3. Netrocker
                  Netrocker 22 October 2013 12: 24
                  +1
                  Do not write nonsense! The ancestors of the Kazakhs at the beginning of the 1st millennium had their own written language - you can see examples of the Turkic runic writing on the Internet. Can you do it yourself? And then look like an ordinary chauvinistic shkolota ...
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 21 October 2013 12: 14
                +4
                Quote: xetai9977
                I read and marvel

                I also laughing after Ukraine and Azerbaijan now they took up Kazakhs wassat this week, comrades Kazakhs, it will be very hot here))). do not be absent .... fellow
                1. xetai9977
                  xetai9977 21 October 2013 12: 36
                  10
                  Members of the forum have 3 registered enemies - Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan. About the United States, China, the EU, Japan, Turkey and many others I will keep silent, they have there "decline", "general poverty", "total blueness", in short, everything that so happily bypassed Russia ... The site has almost dissent is prohibited. We need to say "Let us drive NATO," "We will destroy China," "Let us free Constantinople," and agree to each other. General approval ... Only sooner or later you will have to take off your rose-colored glasses ...
                2. hrych
                  hrych 21 October 2013 13: 15
                  10
                  Before your eyes, (unlike you, twenty-odd years later), Russia is turning from a surviving fragment of the USSR into a Russian state, because there is a generational change and the national consciousness of Russians begins to free itself from the Comintern heresy (in which Russians, unlike most of you sincerely believed). And since I repeat, the Russian people are imperial, i.e. always creates an empire, no matter what banner and ideals (see history), nationalist, I’m not afraid of the word Nazi Russia in its vast possessions will not stop. The same tendencies are observed in Europe, where the nationalists in the elections are already boldly taking a third of the vote, when it exceeds fifty, it will begin. All these processes are skillfully managed by the Europeans (Russia is not an exception) who are creeping in Europe, not understanding, they are doing their job, then everything is according to the plan that was announced by A. Pike a hundred years ago and which is 90% fulfilled.
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 21 October 2013 13: 22
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                    Quote: hrych
                    because I repeat, the Russian people are imperial, i.e. always creates an empire

                    as far as I know, each time Russia as an empire was not built at all by the people of the titular nation .. (for examples go or ..... wassat ) But seriously, then all the peoples inhabiting the country created an empire .... and that was in the past .... right now Russia needs to assert itself ... clean the Augean stables .. and most importantly, to be attractive to others, not to rattle armaments to drive everyone under one comb .... the world is different ....
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 21 October 2013 14: 05
                      +9
                      The best thing Russia does is weapons, the best thing Russians do is fight. So you have to do what they know how to do better. And this is a military site and you seem to be in uniform, and the positivism (from the word poz) on the sites of housewives. Russia is not obliged to be attractive to anyone.
                      1. Asan Ata
                        Asan Ata 22 October 2013 00: 23
                        +4
                        Finally, the correct assessment. But really from this site you do not expect patriotic cacophony and nationalist snot, but a balanced analysis of development paths.
                    2. Setrac
                      Setrac 21 October 2013 22: 15
                      +3
                      Quote: smersh70
                      as far as I know, each time Russia as an empire was not built at all by the people of the titular nation ..

                      Here, in more detail, what nation were these great people who created the empire?
                      1. Netrocker
                        Netrocker 22 October 2013 12: 27
                        -2
                        Well, for example, Suvorov and Kutuzov have precisely Turkic roots ... Suvorov is generally Tatar ...
                      2. Kostyan85
                        Kostyan85 22 October 2013 15: 12
                        +5
                        do not carry nonsense about their not Russian roots. If my paternal grandfather is Kazakh, the grandmother is a guranka, and my maternal grandfather is Ukrainian, the grandmother is Russian. I can also be called not Russian. But I’ll spit in the face to the one who does it. I think Suvorov and Kutuzov would do the same. Because the definition of a particular nation is not the percentage of blood.
                      3. Netrocker
                        Netrocker 22 October 2013 16: 39
                        +1
                        Less emotion! Do you know how many Turks laid their lives on the altar of Russia? A lot of Suvorov and Kutuzov are not alone there ... Well, for example Derzhavin - a baptized Tatar, too. Yes, such a sea was still in the Horde period left to serve with the Russian princes. Almost half of the noblemen of Russia were of Turkic origin and had their pedigrees from various Murzes. Well, specifically for you, if your paternal grandfather was Kazakh, and the mother is a goranka (it seems that the goons are descendants of the Buryats and Semenovites?), Then your father is also Kazakh, and accordingly you too. Interesting, and from what teip / kind or you do not know?
                    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2013 15: 29
                      +1
                      Quote: Netrocker
                      Suvorov is so generally Tatar

                      We are Russians! God with us! (A.V. Suvorov)
                    4. Netrocker
                      Netrocker 22 October 2013 16: 44
                      +6
                      Well, so what? When a captive German officer asked a major Kazakh at the front, “Why are you fighting for Stalin and the Russians, you’re not Russian?” ... He answered, “Damn it, remember - we are all Russians here!” ... It was the commander my maternal grandfather. He ended the war in Konigsberg ...
                    5. Essenger
                      Essenger 22 October 2013 16: 47
                      -3
                      Quote: Netrocker
                      "Your mother, remember - we are all Russians here!" ...

                      He is certainly wrong
                    6. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2013 19: 04
                      0
                      Quote: Netrocker
                      He replied - "Your mother, remember - we are all Russians here!"

                      then he felt like a Russian
                    7. Field
                      Field 25 October 2013 20: 55
                      -2
                      Pan-Turkism is flourishing, all Turkic pancake
            2. Kostyan85
              Kostyan85 22 October 2013 14: 57
              +1
              is it the code that the Russian empire was not built by the Russians? Give an example please.
          3. xetai9977
            xetai9977 21 October 2013 13: 25
            +1
            So good to health! And we say that every nation is complete sovereign within its borders! Anyone against? But why do you recognize such a right among Russians in Russia, while citizens of other states should tolerate a disregard for themselves, for their language on the part of citizens of these same states of Russian nationality? There was recently an article that Kazakhstan is going to switch to the Latin alphabet .. What a fuss !!! The Kazakhs learned that they were both "traitors and" ungrateful ", and" it would be necessary to consult more .. "We must remember that the time of empires has passed.
            1. hrych
              hrych 21 October 2013 14: 14
              13
              Well, this is a Russian site, and if an unfriendly step towards our Russian alphabet, then it’s normal, and those who did not have a written language and juggle wretched letters with pity letters in essence. The essence of these manipulations is extortion: you don’t give money (or if you have money, then some kind of fucked Karabakh) I’ll go to the Latins (read NATO and the EU) and do not blame xenophobia, this is the world, it did not create people equal, who it launches people into space, and someone roams in yurts and space poop falls on them. The last heresy in the USSR was about it, but it ended, or rather, it all began with Sumgait and Ferghana.
              1. Lindon
                Lindon 21 October 2013 14: 26
                +1
                Quote: hrych
                Well, this is a Russian site, and if an unfriendly step towards our Russian alphabet, then it’s normal, and those who did not have a written language and juggle wretched letters with pity letters in essence.

                What are you campaigning for here? Cyril and Methodius were Greeks - they developed the Cyrillic alphabet for all Slavic peoples. Do not invent your Russian alphabet.
                You are engaged in some kind of agitation here - but the most elementary knowledge of the school curriculum is not enough.
                We are here in the discussions for the truth.
              2. hrych
                hrych 21 October 2013 14: 40
                13
                Firstly, their Greek origin has not been proven in Bulgaria because they are not Bulgarians - their eyes will be scratched. Secondly, on the orders of the emperor, they wrote down the long-known (archeology to help you) alphabet for translating the Holy Scriptures and no more. But the founder of your written tradition, Abay was wiser than some.
              3. Lindon
                Lindon 21 October 2013 14: 50
                +6
                Kazakh writing today exists on the basis of 3 alphabets: Arabic, Latin and Cyrillic.
                Abay used Arabic script - the krillitsa came to replace the Latin alphabet in the 1940 by order of Stalin after Turkey headed for Europe.
                Again you have spaces. Enhance your education further.
                I’m not going to argue with the Bulgarians - Genghis Khan is now not recorded by anyone - even a Japanese samurai.
              4. hrych
                hrych 21 October 2013 15: 11
                +3
                Abay was a supporter of introducing his people to the Russian culture (this is just about that, about the teacher) and, on the whole, was not mistaken, since you don’t twist the donkey by the tail, the presence of Kazakhs in the Russian state led to a significant increase in the cultural level. And now I advise you, Major, not to engage in Arabian zagogulins, but to study Chinese characters and theses of the last plenary session of the CPC Central Committee, which is very useful.
              5. Lindon
                Lindon 21 October 2013 15: 59
                0
                Peter the first hound was a supporter of familiarizing his people with the German culture (this is just about that, about the teacher) and was not mistaken as a whole, since you didn’t twist the donkey by the tail, the Germans' presence in the Russian state led to a significant increase in the cultural level. And now I advise you, Army General, not to engage in Arab squiggles, but to study Chinese characters and theses of the last plenum of the CPC Central Committee, which will be very useful.
              6. hrych
                hrych 21 October 2013 16: 51
                +3
                Don't be monkey, Peter got a state that created the Tsar Cannon and the Tsar Bell, in the metallurgical sense inaccessible to the west of that time, the Germans began to drive even Lomonosov (in science) and nothing remained of them except nasty things. We have Yars from the Chinese, but what about you? And you have a nail in your pocket ...
              7. Lindon
                Lindon 21 October 2013 17: 14
                +4
                hrych
                Teach your wife how to cook cabbage soup.
                Do not poke. Yars are modernized Poplars. And in general, say thank you to Georgian Stalin for taking him out of a century of backwardness.
                You and the Americans have one disease - a star - love to teach everyone, but you yourself cannot even master the school curriculum.
              8. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 17: 33
                +4
                Quote: Lindon

                Poplars. And in general, say thank you to Georgian Stalin for taking him out of a century of backwardness.
                you cannot even master the school curriculum.

                your rudeness is somewhat tiring
                I wonder where uncle Joe got you from then?
              9. Lindon
                Lindon 21 October 2013 17: 43
                +2
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

                your rudeness is somewhat tiring
                I wonder where uncle Joe got you from then?


                Rude - where to us to you. We still have to study and learn such harbor throwing.
                Uncle Joe overstrained while dragging you, his hands did not reach us. Great was a man.
              10. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 17: 51
                +1
                Quote: Lindon
                Rude - where to us to you. We still have to study and learn such harbor throwing.

                Well, give an example of my rudeness, or as always unfoundedly accuse and in the bushes?
            2. Alibekulu
              21 October 2013 20: 07
              +2
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Well, let's try to analyze the problem by personalities, "friends", "well-wishers" of Kazakhstan.
              I eat-but "Uncle Vova" ...
              Once Vasilenko lived in Almaty, a city of union significance. He worked in advertising for 15 years, was a "white collar". He was an elite in his profession. And, accordingly, I felt like a "white man" ..
              But, but well-being cannot last forever.
              The trouble came from where they did not expect. Suddenly the Russians, "from Budun," themselves, with songs and dances, destroyed the USSR.
              And then in their native Alma-Ata there were "aul" who ...
              By the way, these "aul" people would not have appeared there if the Union had not collapsed. At least, they were not seen there before this event.
              And Vasilenko panicked, fled to the mainland ..
              And, here, to describe the state of mind of Vladimir, 2 pictures "Did not wait" and "Swam" come to mind ...
              Kazakhs, you don’t need to scold Vasilenko, you just need to feel sorry for him ...
              From the megalopolis, which is Almaty, he did not even end up in Muhospanck or Tmutarakan, but in a "hole" in which there is no normal shop nearby ..
              And instead of doing clean work in the office, he is now digging in manure ..
              And really, a mockery of fate - breeds sheep and goats ..
              Interestingly, Kazakhs from the people of cattle breeding become an urban nation, and Vasilenko is in the opposite process ..
              Here is such a "sadness" .. crying
              By the way, what happened to Volodimer explains why Eeyore still does not "run away" from Kazakhstan, despite the requests, persuasions and wishes of the Kazakhs ... "his fate is the guarantee" .. She is not at all happy with the prospect of "Vasilenkov" ..
              P.S. What is interesting in all topics not related to Kazakhstan, Vasilenko is adequate. But, how does it go "about Kazakhstan" angry
            3. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 20: 39
              +1
              Alibek, I'm sorry for being rude, but I can’t even call you a fool.
              I was discharged labor when I was 14 years old, I studied at school washing floors so as not to ask for money, while studying at the institute I worked as a mechanic for adjusting sewing equipment, this is by the way about white-collar workers.
              your mind is not enough to understand that a person wants to live on earth and enjoys it
            4. Lindon
              Lindon 22 October 2013 07: 54
              +1
              Vasilenko Vladimir
              Sympathize with you.
              How could we still swarm without such a human being for 22 of the year. I want to cry as we began to collect diesel locomotives and helicopters without you. Well, you can buy a Kazakhstan auto assembly in your hole.
              You can immediately see Russia, thanks to you, I immediately got out of the train ... where Gorbachev and Yeltsin took her.
              I wish you success - you are our gold.
            5. Alibekulu
              22 October 2013 16: 27
              +3
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Alibek sorry for being rude.
              So be forgiven bully
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              but I can’t even call you a fool.
              Though you should call it a pot, just don’t put it in the stove (in the sense I don’t fall sheep)
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              man wants to live on earth and enjoys it
              In your place, I would say that too))
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              it's about white-collar workers.
              By the way, when you left Almaty, did you wash the floor or work as a mechanic ?!
            6. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2013 17: 03
              -3
              Alibek, I say, you don’t understand one thing, you don’t even drive in your stupidity that I could just as well buy an apartment in the city and not a small one, I was looking specifically for a house on the ground and that there would be plenty of land
            7. Alibekulu
              22 October 2013 20: 21
              +3
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              you don’t understand all one
              Why then go broke?
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              you do not even drive in your stupidity
              Well, yes, I'm Kazakh ...
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              I could just as well buy an apartment in a city and not a small one
              Yeah, for this you google and the prices of apartments in Kostanay.
              And, in general, if it’s so good for you, what is hysterical ?! No.
            8. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2013 20: 34
              -3
              Quote: Alibekulu
              Well, yes, I'm Kazakh ...

              that infuriates me in you and your kind, you turn right out of your skin, just to translate the attitude of all Kazakhs personally towards you, I say once again - PERSONALLY YOU, NOT KAZAKH AMONG WHICH I AM ENOUGH FRIENDS, AND PERSONALLY YOU
            9. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2013 20: 51
              -4
              Quote: Alibekulu
              Yeah, for this you google and the prices of apartments in Kostanay.

              actually there is no such city there is a city Kуget up
              and about the prices, it’s enough to make a fool of a cool hacker, you have to go to the moon with cancer, and the analyst from you
  2. Setrac
    Setrac 21 October 2013 22: 31
    -1
    Quote: Lindon
    And in general, say thank you to Georgian Stalin for taking him out of a century of backwardness.

    Firstly, Stalin received his talents in the Russian Empire, and not in Georgia or Germany.
    Secondly, Stalin is only a leader, but a talented one, but the labor of millions of Russians brought Russia out of "age-old backwardness".
    Thirdly, there was no age-old backwardness.
  3. Lindon
    Lindon 22 October 2013 08: 00
    +4
    Young man.
    Stalin received his diplomas in the prisons of your empire.
    The age-old backwardness of Russia is a fact that the Bolsheviks ascertained when starting industrialization.
    You need to read how the land was plowed, what agricultural machinery was used, what mechanization of labor was in the countryside. Russia was a backward agrarian country — the Bolsheviks made it a leading industrial power.
    All this was done overcoming the resistance of the "dark" millions of Russian middle peasants and kulaks.
  4. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2013 10: 18
    -3
    Quote: Lindon
    Russia was a backward agrarian country - the Bolsheviks made it a leading industrial power

    I understand that Kazakhstan was an advanced power with great science, industry and culture? !!
    it’s true that weapons were not made in the steppe, it was either bought or captured (I’ll immediately say this is the opinion of Kazakh historians), all the national costumes of Kazakhs are the result of the work of Soviet fashion designers, like most dances the work of Soviet choreographers, science - name at least one Kazakh scientist in Soviet times
  5. Lindon
    Lindon 22 October 2013 10: 28
    +2
    Don’t drive the snowstorm - you’ve lived in Russia for 5 years, and you have lived in Kazakhstan all your conscious life.
    Do not pour your inner on everything around.
    You taught the history of the Kazakh SSR at school, you yourself know the answers to your questions. Well, unless the last 5 years have fallen for you - but for these 5 years you have already watered Russia.
  6. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2013 11: 03
    -1
    firstly, we didn’t graze sheep together; secondly, everything that I wrote a post above is a scientific fact that is freely available, including in the museum of the republic
  7. Lindon
    Lindon 22 October 2013 11: 57
    +3
    Vasya, why do you write silly questions if you know where what lies?
    You just want to show your erudition here?
    We are not defective to show off here.
    Write on business, no one needs your false epithets "advanced", "great."
    I understand that Kazakhstan is not breathing evenly, that Russia has given you little lift - and that you don’t like everything there either?
  8. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2013 14: 00
    -3
    when I start, to deceive names and surnames, this is an ordinary kindergarten
  9. volkodav
    volkodav 22 October 2013 13: 36
    -4
    You need to read how the land was plowed, what agricultural machinery was used, what mechanization of labor was in the countryside. Russia was a backward agrarian country — the Bolsheviks made it a leading industrial power.
    you don’t tell this nonsense to anyone else, the Bolsheviks first ruined industry and agriculture, and then the proletariat and peasantry created everything again, the only thing they created from scratch is industry and agricultural production in Central Asia, which are smart Kazakhs and other Asians in the nation frenzy of the early 90s pros .... ali
  10. Netrocker
    Netrocker 22 October 2013 14: 11
    +3
    You mixed something up - on the contrary, we revived them, after the 90s. Yes, of course, collective farms have sunk into the past - now in their place agricultural holdings rule. A holy place is never empty.
  11. Setrac
    Setrac 22 October 2013 16: 32
    +1
    Quote: Lindon
    All this was done overcoming the resistance of the "dark" millions of Russian middle peasants and kulaks.

    This was done by the labor of millions of Russian middle peasants.
  12. Alex Bugur
    Alex Bugur 23 October 2013 07: 15
    0
    And about the fact that in 1913 the Russian Empire developed faster than anyone else in the world in economic and technological terms, of course, you did not know that ?!
  13. Netrocker
    Netrocker 23 October 2013 09: 28
    +1
    yeah, if you consider that before that almost everything was in the archaic of industry, then yes ... the plant produced 0 cars, began to produce 10 - 1000% increase!
  14. Djozz
    Djozz 21 October 2013 17: 33
    +1
    Correction! The Tsar Bell was cast during the reign of Anna Ioannovna 1730-1740gg.
  15. Lindon
    Lindon 21 October 2013 17: 44
    0
    Quote: Djozz
    Correction! The Tsar Bell was cast during the reign of Anna Ioannovna 1730-1740gg.


    Yes, it’s time to send him back to school.
    Still sitting here teaches us all - the ignoramus - the victim of Fursenko.
  16. hrych
    hrych 21 October 2013 19: 24
    +2
    A colleague, well, this donkey-tailed donkey, and you should know that the bell was cast by the master Alexander Grigoryev (1634-1676), and under Anna they only tried to pour it using the crowbar from the time of Godunov and naturally screwed it up.
  17. R.R.A.
    R.R.A. 21 October 2013 19: 00
    +5
    I completely agree! And I will add that in Russia they knew how to cast iron in the 13th century, and in Europe they learned to cast iron only after 300 years ... And there are many such facts. Russia has a centuries-old history, but what can I say about the Kazakhs? The fact that, as such, Uzbeks, Kazakhs , the Kirghiz did not exist at all. There were separate tribes. Yes, and it is also worth looking at the textbook on the History of Kazakhstan, to find a paragraph on the formation of the Kazakh Khanate. It says that the great "ancestors" (Saki, etc.) were Caucasians, but soon acquired a Mongoloid appearance (what is it like the Evolution of Europeans into Mongols? Not one teacher could not answer this question, they threw everything off on the Mongol invasion, they say that we and the narrow-eyed got mixed up, I can't believe it, because it has long been proven that genes have the ability to cleanse).
  18. Netrocker
    Netrocker 22 October 2013 12: 41
    0
    Didn’t exist? They probably fell from heaven? wassat
    The Mongoloid appearance was acquired thanks to the Dzungarian brides in the 16-17th century, when the locals bought and bought them there. Well, the fact that the Kazakh Khanate was formed in the 15th century, you naturally did not see in the textbook? Or is it that the Turkic tribes, which constitute the ethnogenesis of the Kazakhs, existed on the territory of present-day Kazakhstan and were called Saks-Massagets and other Huns in ancient times?
  19. R.R.A.
    R.R.A. 22 October 2013 17: 52
    -3
    Quote: Netrocker
    Didn’t exist? They probably fell from heaven? wassat
    The Mongoloid appearance was acquired thanks to the Dzungarian brides in the 16-17th century, when the locals bought and bought them there. Well, the fact that the Kazakh Khanate was formed in the 15th century, you naturally did not see in the textbook? Or is it that the Turkic tribes, which constitute the ethnogenesis of the Kazakhs, existed on the territory of present-day Kazakhstan and were called Saks-Massagets and other Huns in ancient times?

    There were also wives of Aryan descent ...
  20. Netrocker
    Netrocker 23 October 2013 09: 35
    +3
    what nafig Aryans then ?! what are you talking about?
  21. Setrac
    Setrac 21 October 2013 22: 27
    +2
    Quote: Lindon
    the presence of the Germans in the Russian state led to a significant increase in the cultural level

    The cultural influence of the Germans from 1941 to 1945 was especially strong.
  22. alone
    alone 21 October 2013 18: 51
    +2
    Quote: Lindon
    Again you have spaces. Enhance your education further.


    but I don’t feel like raising the level of education! that's why they write all sorts of nonsense and are still surprised.
  23. MstislavHrabr
    MstislavHrabr 21 October 2013 16: 09
    10
    Svyatoslav, Oleg, Mstislav entered into agreements with Byzantium in two languages ​​... Before Cyril and Methodius ...
  24. Misantrop
    Misantrop 21 October 2013 17: 58
    +9
    Quote: Lindon
    What are you campaigning for here? Cyril and Methodius were Greeks - they developed the Cyrillic alphabet for all Slavic peoples. Do not invent your Russian alphabet.
    What nonsense? They did NOT invent ANYTHING, any alphabet. They just adapted the Slavic alphabet for writing CHURCH texts and knocked out the permission of church hierarchs. Which was also not easy, I agree. That's just to the INVENTION Slavic writing has nothing to do request
  25. Setrac
    Setrac 21 October 2013 22: 25
    +2
    Quote: Lindon
    Cyril and Methodius were Greeks - they developed the Cyrillic alphabet for all Slavic peoples.

    Yeah, and the Germans wrote about this in historical books. Broad noodles.
  26. Misantrop
    Misantrop 21 October 2013 22: 57
    +3
    Quote: Setrac
    Broad noodles.
    And just a couple of years ago there was a funny confirmation of this. Here, in the Crimea. During the excavation of an ancient underground passage in the cave city of Mangup-Kale (neatly laid down by the builders themselves LATER before the Tatars arrived in Crimea and settled the Karaites whom they expelled there), an inscription was made on the ceiling made by some young dunce from toilers. Two female Slavic names written in Cyrillic. By a strange coincidence, just at that moment, a bunch of guests were present at the excavation site, including the local press, so the fake was EXCLUDED. It’s just that it DOESN’t fit in with the official history of the peninsula, that they try to hush up this fact with all their might ... request
  27. xetai9977
    xetai9977 21 October 2013 14: 29
    +4
    hrych So you admit that you are acting on the principle “what is allowed to Jupiter, then I will not allow the bull.” Did I understand you correctly? And by this you admit that you are wrong by definition, but by the right of the strong you everything is allowed. After that, are you surprised at the negative attitude towards you? In vain. What goes around comes around.
  28. hrych
    hrych 21 October 2013 14: 54
    +4
    A colleague, such is the world, the strongest rules and wins, there was a heresy about equality and brotherhood, but unfortunately failed miserably. I am a militarist and myself in uniform on this site primarily enjoy the achievements of our military-industrial complex. The most important thing is that all these negotiations and other idle talk will end in one massacre and the strongest will win.
  29. xetai9977
    xetai9977 21 October 2013 15: 07
    0
    grunt. We have known this for a long time. What infuriates, how the Russians talk about JUSTICE, while they themselves admit that they profess the "law of the jungle." Look, on the plot about Elena, the minuses went again. Like, in vain she learned another language. She had to find fault and say, they say, they offend her, she would get advantages from members of the forum. laughing
  30. hrych
    hrych 21 October 2013 15: 36
    +9
    You know, Rauf, the funniest thing, but the right of the strongest, you Caucasians taught us (though you will probably regret it later), a new Russia was born in the Caucasus in the furnace of Chechnya and thanks to the death of Russian children from knives, including Azerbaijani, now there is an accelerated reformatting of state values ​​and the complete failure of multiculturalism and Eurasianism. Why does everyone hate the United States, but respect and fear, because they are not embarrassed by their strength and power, lack of oil, ruin the state and stupidly take it away, and we are still embarrassed by our strength and chew snot, although the only state capable of the United States reset to zero.
  31. smersh70
    smersh70 21 October 2013 15: 50
    +2
    Quote: hrych
    now there is an accelerated reformatting of state values

    ..not the state, but some of the Muscovites laughing when I served near Leningrad ... so during the oath of oath to 2 Muscovites, the riflemen arrived, you would see the anger of other Russian boys in a platoon ... only then did I learn that Muscovites and many in their homeland are not chiselled ... but then the boys told the reason .....
  32. hrych
    hrych 21 October 2013 16: 04
    +9
    Manezh and Biryulyovo, of course, Muscovites, but Sagra, Kondopoga and Pugachev not. Our Eurasian-minded government in the election of the mayor of the capital has already compelled to play the national card and if it wants to remain in power (and its loss may be m. And, like Muamor), then the policy will change dramatically. In any case, the next generation of politicians will not be Eurasian, but national-minded. Thank you for this Caucasians and liberals for vaccination against multiculturalism in Russian people.
  33. Kazbek
    Kazbek 21 October 2013 14: 37
    -2
    And the Internet is American, so what? Whom to extort, rogue. We rode the USSR, now freak out that no one wants to fall under you. Even your brothers Ukrainians don’t want to do business with you, but you don’t have the strength to bend. Well, have been mad at commanding for half a century, and now no one is listening. laughing
  34. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 14: 39
    +7
    Quote: Kazbek
    rogue.

    gentlemen, Kazakhs, here is a direct example of Russophobia of the Kazakh
  35. aksakal
    aksakal 21 October 2013 16: 59
    +5
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    gentlemen, Kazakhs, here is a direct example of Russophobia of the Kazakh

    - well, it all started with your posts - earlier, a year ago, two years ago, I tried to calm you down, swallowing your posts about the fact "that Kazakhs do not know how to do anything and just about because of mediocre business they will have a humanitarian catastrophe, we will have to, Russians, save them again, blind and stupid! ", but all to no avail. As you post offended and offensive posts, so do post. And when there is a reply - so here
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    gentlemen, Kazakhs, here is a direct example of Russophobia of the Kazakh
    .
    In fact, it’s on emotions, Kazakhstan is already in the Customs Union, from January 1, 2014 you at least come, leave, at least import goods, at least do not import art through the Kazakh-Russian border - all is one, you do not need to draw up anything and pay, unless that they’ll check for drugs (well, alas, there’s no getting anywhere).
    So the last time a request - post normal posts - we will not post this either. Why do we need this srach?
  36. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 18: 17
    -2
    Quote: aksakal
    well, it all started with your posts - earlier, a year ago, two years ago, I tried to calm you down, swallowing your posts about the fact "that Kazakhs do not know how to do anything, and just about because of mediocre business they will have a humanitarian

    You and your "colleagues" are so fond of attributing their conjectures to others that it tiresome, firstly, I never said a bad word about Kazakhs as a nationality, and secondly, if I spoke about problems with industry in Kazakhstan, I always confirmed my words with facts what can not be said about you
    Quote: aksakal
    Actually it's on emotions, Kazakhstan

    but what have the emotions got tired, rudeness and insult to Russia and Russia
  37. hrych
    hrych 21 October 2013 14: 59
    +1
    If the Internet was Kazakh, then it would be gorgeous, and we will, so sorry, have business with the Americans, including and on the issue of whether or not to be Kazakhstan.
  38. Netrocker
    Netrocker 22 October 2013 12: 48
    +4
    Quote: hrych
    and so we will, sorry, have business with the Americans, incl. and on the issue of whether or not to be Kazakhstan.


    And often you are advised with Americans to whom genocide? Some sort of Cortes! crying
  39. xetai9977
    xetai9977 21 October 2013 15: 02
    +3
    I have been on business trips both in Ukraine and in Russia on business. But in Ukraine I have never heard such remarks as "come in large numbers", "black ... e". Although I did not sell anything or hooligan. This shows the LEVEL of society. If you don't like migrants, close the border, drive everyone out. Who's stopping you? And the fact that no article, then screams about migrant dominance. Get out and that's it. If you don’t expel, then you don’t want to mean.
  40. hrych
    hrych 21 October 2013 15: 19
    +6
    Meanwhile, the government, with its next Eurasian heresy, is interfering, but under pressure from the people, it is already forced to take anti-migrant measures. In general, Russia already has enough heresies, it is necessary to strengthen the army (to build muscles, which is actually being done) to be evil and aggressive, only so will the respect of the neighbors, the rest is regarded as weakness. In Transcaucasia, a typical example was the ceremony with the Georgians, brought to the point that they just started shooting at the Russian peacekeepers, but as they cut the silence and bites off, the attitude changed right away and you even looked at the States, and China became its best friend.
  41. smersh70
    smersh70 21 October 2013 15: 54
    +1
    Quote: hrych
    on the other hand, as silence and ties were bitten so, the attitude immediately changed

    and what happened to the Netherlands .... wassatsay their prince lately has eaten a lot of roses in front of the barrels of the Kaliningrad coast guard brigade ... smile .
  42. hrych
    hrych 21 October 2013 16: 13
    +6
    And, you noticed that after a disrespectful relationship with our diplomat, they were hung up on theirs, as in the good old days, "you are for me, I am for you," and then everyone apologizes to each other. Well, the destruction of the Georgian army and navy, the dismemberment and occupation of the country and the slightly frightened diplomat are not quite commensurate things.
  43. Essenger
    Essenger 22 October 2013 12: 48
    +1
    Quote: hrych
    Ceremonial ceremony with the Georgians, brought to the point that they began to simply shoot at Russian peacekeepers

    The main mistake of the Georgians is that they let your "peacekeepers" go there.
  44. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 15: 27
    +3
    Tell me, are there many migrants from Asia in Ukraine?
  45. smersh70
    smersh70 21 October 2013 15: 45
    0
    Quote: hrych
    if an unfriendly step towards our Russian alphabet,

    .and did the Cyrillic alphabet come up with Russian smile then let the Greeks first hate the Kazakhs laughing
    Quote: hrych
    rather, it all began with Sumgait and Ferghana.

    it all started with Armenian separatism in Karabakh .... only 20 years have passed ... but you already forget ... you need to know the chronology))))
  46. hrych
    hrych 21 October 2013 15: 55
    +4
    The Armenians have their own truth and their own chronology, who started the pogroms and who continued for the Russians, the difference is not big, but the beginning of the end of the USSR - these events. In general, I am a supporter of the "conspiracy theory" and for me all events have a plan, especially if they exactly coincide with the "Dulles plan" on nationalism in the republics.
  47. smersh70
    smersh70 21 October 2013 16: 17
    +2
    Quote: hrych
    Armenians have their own truth and their own chronology,

    this is exactly what you noticed ... your laughing
    Quote: hrych
    especially if they exactly coincide with the "Dulles plan" on nationalism in the republics.

    ..and who doubts this ..... just like that the USSR certainly didn’t fall apart ... did it ...... so where did the central authorities look ... mainly Gorbachev and the Slavs-leaders ..... because it’s precisely verified ones, such as Heydar Aliyev or Kunaev .. that’s the back of the leaders, retired .... after all, look, I’ll leave the topic a bit - it was Aliyev who left in October88, and the Armenians started in February 89 ..... the chronology is clear ...
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  • Setrac
    Setrac 21 October 2013 22: 18
    +4
    Quote: xetai9977
    Just why do you recognize such a right among Russians in Russia, and citizens of other states should not care about themselves, their language on the part of citizens of these same states of Russian nationality?

    You know, nations that owe so much to Russians could treat Russians more loyally. So far, they have spit on the Russians.
    Quote: xetai9977
    We must remember that the time of empires has passed.

    How did we miss such an event?
  • Kazbek
    Kazbek 21 October 2013 14: 25
    -11 qualifying.
    Did you not blame the (Russian) Americans for their exceptionalism, Hitler with his Aryanism, and you yourself do not see logs in your imperial eye. fellow
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 21 October 2013 14: 27
      +2
      Look at yourself! RUSSOPHOBE!
    2. R.R.A.
      R.R.A. 21 October 2013 18: 38
      -1
      Do not you blame the Russians for fascism and chauvinism, and you quietly hate the Uzbeks
      Quote: Lindon
      Quote: Djozz
      Correction! The Tsar Bell was cast during the reign of Anna Ioannovna 1730-1740gg.


      Yes, it’s time to send him back to school.
      Still sitting here teaches us all - the ignoramus - the victim of Fursenko.

      Victim of UNTe.
    3. bilgesez
      bilgesez 21 October 2013 20: 02
      -5
      The main strength of us Russians is great-power chauvinism. We will grind everything and the world will be ours.
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 22 October 2013 00: 20
    +2
    I would say that it is not the Russian people that create empires, but their rulers, usually non-Russians, study your history.
    1. R.R.A.
      R.R.A. 22 October 2013 18: 02
      -3
      Quote: Asan Ata
      I would say that it is not the Russian people that create empires, but their rulers, usually non-Russians, study your history.

      Yes, yes, yes. I would also write that Peter the 1st was a Kazakh, etc. Yes, and the pillars of power are the people, so it’s not necessary. What kind of power is such a people, which we see at the moment in Russia ( and not only, in fact, all over the planet) the Russian people are asleep, the government is robbing at this time, well, nothing, we'll wake up. As the paratroopers sang: "We will rise from hell like a phoenix from the ashes! Because we are Russians!"
      PS Read Bismarck quotes about Russians.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 22 October 2013 19: 18
        -2
        Quote: R.R.A.
        Yes, yes, yes. I would also write that Peter the 1st was a Kazakh, etc.

        You forgot Ivan the Terrible, he is also probably the hereditary Ataturk.
      2. Netrocker
        Netrocker 28 October 2013 11: 41
        +2
        The funny thing is, but you’re almost right, he was a descendant of the Beklyakbek Mamai, well, who still brought the Genoese to Kulikovo Field! repeat
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 22 October 2013 00: 18
    +1
    We are waiting, but all is some kind of trifle pot-bellied. lol
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  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 21 October 2013 15: 43
    +9
    here it is and the whole point, these citizens of the "non-indigenous" nationality built cities and created industry, and now they are not owners, but like, at best, guests, but in some places and "occupiers", especially if they own property in a good place, for some reason- then the "new owners" who inherited the inheritance from the USSR immediately wrote it down at their own expense, it is clear that history is immediately rewritten under the new owners, and the city that was built by the forces of the Komsomol construction projects arose on the site of 7 auls or at the crossroads of caravan routes, or for example, the port city of Turkmenbashi (Krasnovodsk) traces its ancestry from the Turkmen settlement of the UFRA (by the way - the Fortified Fort of the Russian Army).
  • MstislavHrabr
    MstislavHrabr 21 October 2013 16: 00
    +9
    you my friend forget that most of the Russian living in Kazakhstan are not migrants. This is their same country as the Kazakhs. And they should have no less rights than the Kazakhs. And posts in the civil service should be distributed more proportionally with respect to the population - citizens of Kazakhstan. In the meantime, there is discrimination on nat. featured. Russians need to unite and defend their rights, and not hope that Russia will do it for them ...
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 16: 42
      +2
      the bulk of Russian Kazakhstanis appeared in the second half of the 20th century. let's not attach the current Russians to a handful of Cossacks or runaway Old Believers, who really settled in the Kazakh steppe for a long time. back in the sunset of the 19th century, Russians were in Kazakhstan with a gulkin nose, and only during the Stolypin reform did the first civil Russians in the form of landless peasants from Little Russia and Voronezh. And they did not come at the request of the Kazakhs, but graters between the settlers, who, with the help of soldiers and Cossacks, took the land from the Kazakhs, poured into a famous meat grinder of 1916. the second wave of settlement was already in the Soviet years, when industrial policy (and later virgin land) was being implemented.
      Kazakhs in Russia are indigenous people. They have been living in the Astrakhan or Omsk region since ancient times, when the ancestors of the Russians did not even think to go beyond the Volga or the Urals.
      Quote: MstislavHrabr
      This is their same country as the Kazakhs. And they should have no less rights than the Kazakhs.

      Who can argue with that? They have as many rights as the rest. The Kazakhs have more responsibilities, because the titular nation should provide comfort for the entire country, and, accordingly, for all ethnic groups. In addition to Russians, there are also Germans, Uighurs, Uzbeks, Koreans, Caucasians, and Dungans. Moreover, some peoples are much more "indigenous" than the Russians. But I have not heard that a Dungan, Uighur or Uzbek demanded any special privileges in relation to themselves. Are Uzbeks, Uighurs worse than Russians? Why do they not have the right to claim their language as the state language? The Russians are demanding. By the way, Uzbeks are the third largest ethnic group in KZ.

      Quote: MstislavHrabr
      And posts in the civil service should be distributed more proportionally with respect to the population - citizens of Kazakhstan.
      Complete nonsense. Positions should be held by those who meet all the requirements for a candidate, and not under a "minority quota". If you have a head, you will break out into people without a quota. No head - no quota will help you become a respected person.
      In addition, you want to teach Kazakhstan in this regard - then first in your government give posts to Kazakhs, of whom there are a million people in Russia, and all of them are autochthonous residents of the Russian Federation. One Aman Tuleyev reached the level of governor. And even then his people elected, and not the Kremlin authorities pulled out.
      By the way, when Aman Tuleyev ran for president of the Russian Federation, no one except Tyumen and the Kazakhs voted for him. What are you doing with a normal governor? Muzzle did not come out to be the Russian president? Or will you say that Yeltsin and Zyuganov are better than Tuleev as managers? ))))
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 16: 47
        +4
        Quote: MstislavHrabr
        In the meantime, there is discrimination on nat. featured.
        In what? The fact that the Russians do not join the army and do not want to learn the Kazakh language, and then do not get into state bodies? This is a jamb of Ivan, not Myrkymbay. For some reason, Koreans, Uighurs, Germans do not try to infringe on us at all. Only the Slavs are oppressed. They, panimaesh, are uncomfortable when Kazakhs around speak their native language. Genocide is just some.


        Quote: MstislavHrabr
        Russians need to unite and assert their rights
        All "Russian organizations" in Kazakhstan were engaged in cutting dough from the Russian budget for "the development of culture and protection of the rights of compatriots." As soon as their organizations stopped receiving grants from Moscow, their leaders in full force left for Russia with good belongings.
        The rights of Russians, Kazakhs or Dungans are protected within the framework of protecting the rights of a citizen of Kazakhstan, and not on ethnic grounds. We have banned the creation of the "Russian Party" and banned the creation of the "Kazakh Party". There is nothing to scratch with us that does not itch. And if you want to comb until it bleeds, then go anywhere and comb there.
        1. volkodav
          volkodav 22 October 2013 14: 00
          -5
          Well, if so, then you probably need the northern regions of Kazakhstan to the Russian Federation (RSFSR) to return and expel nafig all aching Slavs hi
          1. Netrocker
            Netrocker 28 October 2013 11: 51
            +2
            Ignoramus! Kazakhstan has never received anything from Russia! You need to know the history, and not repeat the chauvinistic nonsense like a parrot after idiots ... For your information, the exact opposite is the case - it was originally Kazakh lands, such as Orenburg with the region and others ... that Orenburg was the first capital of Kazakhstan once upon a time.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 12: 24
    0
    Quote: Essenger
    In the national question in Russia, things are worse. Fascism blooms there

    the differences in situations are huge, the main attitude of the authorities towards this problem, in the Republic of Kazakhstan they pretend that this is not the case in the Russian Federation, on the contrary, they try (successfully or there is no other question) what to do
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 21 October 2013 12: 30
      +5
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      the main attitude of the authorities towards this problem, in the Republic of Kazakhstan they pretend that this is not the case in the Russian Federation, on the contrary, they try (successfully or there is no other question) what to do

      C'mon, is the Russian government fighting this? laughing Do you really think that these leaders of the Nazi groups are independent and not controlled by the FSB?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 12: 34
        0
        ok or not, but unlike the National Academy of Sciences of Russia, the Russian president clearly spoke out about such actions
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 21 October 2013 13: 22
          +1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          but unlike the National Academy of Sciences of Russia, the Russian president clearly spoke out about such actions

          everybody knows how to wag
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 13: 30
            +1
            better silently encourage Natsik
        2. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 13: 27
          +2
          Nazarbayev and officials are already tired of exaggerating the topic. We do not have a national question. Only in the head of some.
          We have a language problem. This is constantly said. And by and large, this is constantly being said for the good of the Russian speakers. In 10-15 years, the Kazakh language will dominate in the professional field. The question is competitiveness. If the Russian Kazakhstani considers himself a professional, then tomorrow he will come on his heels Kazakh-speaking competitor, equal in professionalism, but with knowledge of several languages. Who will win this race? Essno, the one who speaks Russian, and Kazakh, and English. Kazakhs learned Russian, now they learn English. Russian Kazakhstanis do not learn either one or the other, because if anything - they can go to Russia. I’m only afraid that in Russia they will face strong competitors in the professional niche.
          To prevent such a situation from happening in the future, the government teaches all three languages ​​to the new generation from kindergarten. And the students themselves understand that language proficiency is an advantage both domestically and internationally. We have the topic of creating a "competitive nation" - part of the state ideology. Therefore, despite the fair criticism regarding the quality of education, one cannot but admit that the government pays increased attention to this, strengthens universities, allocates grants and loans, and sends the best schoolchildren and students abroad.
          I have already cited on the site excerpts from European newspapers, where the British are no longer laughing when they see that schoolchildren from the "country of Borat" at international Olympiads tear the British like a hot water bottle. Despite the fact that Kazakhstanis are 10 times less than Russians, we are not much behind Russia in the number of gold medals at international school Olympiads. And the most striking thing is that the winners of the Olympiads are mainly schoolchildren of schools with the Kazakh language of instruction, although 10-15 years ago Kazakh schools were synonymous with backward schools, even by Kazakh standards.
          We need the best, most intelligent citizens. No matter what nationality. Everyone who is unable to rebuild, learn, think logically - let them go wherever they want. Kazakhstanis should become the most educated and competitive nation in the world. This is not pathos, this is the official state policy of Kazakhstan. We are few, so we must take the quality of human resources.
          Z.Y. And if it bothers you that Nazarbayev allegedly hides language and national topics, then this is all from your ignorance. Each year, Nazarbayev speaks out on these issues.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 13: 59
            +4
            Quote: Marek Rozny
            We do not have a national question. Only in the head of some.

            expresses concern about the growing propaganda of xenophobia and radical nationalism in the media and social networks of the Republic of Kazakhstan, as well as in connection with attempts to falsify history and heroize the Turkestan Legion ("East Turkic Union") of the SS and other Nazi accomplices during the Second World War.

            The frankly xenophobic campaign, which has recently been carried out on the pages of a number of print media and on the Kazakhstani Internet, is outrageous. Its purpose is to incite ethnic hatred in the republic. Especially dangerous and unacceptable we consider the spread
            http://online.zakon.kz/Document/?doc_id=31334411
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 15: 14
              +5
              Fuck knows what kind of "international human rights" organization wrote this letter, accusing the Kazakhs of glorifying fascism. these people collapsed with an oak tree. we do not have the Baltics, not Western Ukraine and not even Russia. any neo-Nazi here would have their head shoved into a seated organ in a minute.
              there is no propaganda of xenophobia and nationalism in the media! it’s a dumb lie of the authors to embellish your letter and give it tragedy.

              As for the activities of Mustafa Shokay, the man who stood at the origins of the Turkestan battalion (but not in the form the Germans wanted), he was not a "fascist" at all. His task in the summer of 1941 was to rescue Turkic relatives from German concentration camps. At the same time, he categorically rejected the idea of ​​using them as a fighting unit against the Red Army, in which other Kazakhs and other Turks served. And when he saw with his own eyes how the Nazis treated Soviet prisoners of war, he wrote a letter to the Foreign Minister of the Third Reich SS Gruppenfuehrer Joachim von Ribbentrop: "... Seeing how the representatives of the nation, which raised such geniuses as Goethe, Feuerbach, Bach, Beethoven, Schopenhauer, treat prisoners of war, I cannot accept the offer to lead the Turkestan Legion and refuse further cooperation. I understand all the consequences of my decision."
              And a couple of months later, he "suddenly" died in the hospital.
              Can we call him a Nazi? Personally, I deeply respect the courage of this man who refused to cooperate with the Nazis even for the sake of his main goal in life - the independence of Kazakhstan. All his life he conducted propaganda against Bolshevism (but not against Russians or anyone else), he was ready to die for the freedom of Kazakhstan, but he gave the unequivocal answer that the freedom of Kazakhstan could not be made by Nazi hands.

              As for the Turkestan legion itself, there is no heroization. But Kazakhs have nothing to be ashamed of. Turkestan legionaries, unlike any ROA, did not stain themselves with fratricide and betrayal. And if you knew the history of each battalion of TH, you would have noticed that almost all of the battalions of Turk.Legion and Idel-Ural distinguished themselves in rebellion against the Germans and / or a massive transfer with arms in their hands to the side of the Red Army and partisans.
              Z.Y. Musa Jalil, the famous Tatar poet executed by fascists in the Moabit prison, was an official in one of such battalions. They executed him for it, the Germans found that in the Turkic battalions of the Wehrmacht the communist party cells were almost completely restored as in units of the Red Army, and Musa Jalil and many other commanders of these battalions were the leaders of these party cells.
              It was the stubborn reluctance of the Türks to go on betrayal and fight with their own forces that made the Germans abandon the idea of ​​using them on the eastern front and transfer them first to Yugoslavia and then to the Atlantic Val.
              There is no reason to be ashamed of the "Turkestanis". And the "East Turkic SS unit" existed only on paper. Although how do the bawlers from "human rights organizations" know this?
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 15: 31
              -2
              Quote: Marek Rozny
              Fuck knows what kind of "international human rights"

              but who would doubt it doesn’t fit into your concept, type Kazakh nationalism in no
  • gen-48
    gen-48 21 October 2013 15: 58
    0
    This is how they filled your head with the history of the "great Kazakh people". How long ago did the representatives of the "mighty zhuzes" learn how to use a spoon and stop wiping off a robe? And Russia is a big country, everywhere it blooms at different times. If 150 million slanting neighbors will move to you, then it will be clear that you will flourish. Read smart books and go to bed at 22-00.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 16: 55
      +4
      gen-48, if you don't know anything about Kazakhs, then what is your exhaust? your knowledge at the level of an American "Russia is a country of drunken people with machine guns who walk the streets with bears."
      and the Chinese do not scare us. we have known them for several thousand years. and these are not my ancestors, but the ancestors of the Chinese raked in all wars. and you go outside and first make a remark to the Dagestan if he breaks the rules of conduct.
      Watch your Far East. But Kazakhs do not need to be taught how to communicate with the Chinese.
      1. gen-48
        gen-48 21 October 2013 19: 25
        -5
        Exhaust happens at the exhaust pipes of cars. Since he already lived in the USA, well, accordingly, you have knowledge of Kazakhs at the level of "... touching Kazakh women with iPods walk around Tselinograd and Ekibastuz and wink at tanned Kazakhs passing by (not on a camel, not on a horse), and by car !!!. Babay, he and Ekibastuz -babay. Dumplings need to be harvested, but more. By the way, Medeo will soon be closed, because advanced Kazakhs are skating with 6 blades. The Far East will look after the East, the people there are strong. You look after the Mexicans, suddenly tomorrow instead of a skullcap you go buy a sombrero (.. and you won't just learn Spanish, there are only 5 vowels).
        1. Netrocker
          Netrocker 22 October 2013 13: 13
          +4
          Well, you definitely went crazy already on the slogans of the Movement Against Illegal Immigration ... winked
  • Setrac
    Setrac 21 October 2013 22: 09
    +3
    Quote: Essenger
    On the national question in Russia, things are worse. Fascism blooms there.

    Please write a list of nations oppressed in Russia! Unless of course you are a liar.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 22 October 2013 12: 54
      +4
      Quote: Setrac
      Quote: Essenger
      On the national question in Russia, things are worse. Fascism blooms there.

      Please write a list of nations oppressed in Russia! Unless of course you are a liar.


      All Finno-Ugric, Caucasian, Turkic peoples who live under Russian occupation. Enough?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2013 13: 43
        -4
        are you friends with the brain or do you have a final divorce from him? !!!!
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 22 October 2013 13: 59
          +3
          Vasilenko
          Essentially have what? or really they themselves asked them to occupy?
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2013 14: 03
            -4
            so you essentially haven’t said anything yet, about the Caucasus, so you’re so in a puddle .. that it’s not even worth talking
            1. Netrocker
              Netrocker 22 October 2013 14: 21
              +5
              I mean, you need to list it by nationality? Yes, please: Dargins, Laks, Karachais, Balkars, Kumyks, Avars, Chechens, Ingush, etc. Themselves probably watched in the subway how every cop loves to get to the bottom of them .. and the main thing is that you don't understand right away - whether it really is on the guard of the "law on registration in Moscow", or just decided to cut the dough ... wink
    2. Netrocker
      Netrocker 22 October 2013 13: 21
      +6
      For example, the Caucasus-and what is far to go? How many forums I do not look through - everywhere there is a howl about Caucasians. Then why don't you shut yourself off from them? Well, send them all back to the Caucasus and close the border to them and forget about them as a problem! Yet it’s easy to do ... After all, as it turns out, the Dagestan wins Olympic gold - he is a Russian champion! And how he appeared in Moscow - so he’s chock black ... I ...
  • aksakal
    aksakal 21 October 2013 09: 33
    0
    Quote: Alibekulu
    Russians have a peculiar perspective, noticing Kazakhs in Mercedes without noticing the masses of Kazakhs working on rough work. And these Kazakhs, unlike the Russians, have no opportunity to "run away" with cries of "we are being oppressed" ..

    - and this is the stereotype of the Russians - the Kazakh is ignorant and ignorant by default, and therefore
    Quote: Alibekulu
    masses of Kazakhs working on rough work
    - this is normal! But when Kazakh
    Quote: Alibekulu
    on mercedes

    - this is ABNORMAL and this Kazakh was definitely able to earn a Mercedes only by killing, harassing or robbing some Russian.
    Well, yes, yesterday we just got off the trees, we can’t ride a Merc, here the presumption of guilt automatically works.
    And yet - Russians now have double standards. Despite the fact that they have been in Russia for a long time (by the way, it is CORRECT and I SUPPORT THIS!) And are insistently asking for the right to be a TITLE nation with all the consequences, there were a lot of posts about it yesterday, and the situation in Biryulyovo already yells about it, but at the same time, the Russians would very much like to refuse to be titular to their own neighbors. But this does not happen. Either the Russians are breaking into their right in Russia to be the titular nation (once again - I am for IT and I will welcome it!), But then all this must be recognized by other CIS countries as well. I'm right? This is IMHO.
    And further -
    Quote: Ascetic
    and in line with Anglo-Saxon politics

    - Ascetic, as always, is very reasonable, but here how "Anglo-Saxon"? For example, the film "Vysotsky. Thank you for being alive!" all Uzbek characters are simply disgusting to death, especially the driver. For re-verification when comparing with real facts, not a single fact from this film regarding Uzbeks is CONFIRMED! And now - almost all the creators of this film - are representatives of an interesting ethnic group, with one of whom, Atalef, I fiercely argued yesterday over Albats. He asked, like, okay with the Russians, we'll figure it out ourselves, you Kazakhs, what has it to do with it? So excuse us, "blacks", who is raising the wave here? Besides this film, do you have more facts? And why should we have nothing to do with it, if the wave, moreover undeservedly and absolutely slanderous, rises precisely against us by the "atalephs"? And to what extent is this "Anglo-Saxon" policy? I suspect that the Anglo-Saxons are just as oppressed as a nation, just not realizing it because of the pain reliever called "high consumption."
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 21 October 2013 12: 41
      +9
      Quote: aksakal
      And to what extent is this "Anglo-Saxon" policy? I suspect that the Anglo-Saxons are just as oppressed as a nation, just not realizing it because of the pain reliever called "high consumption."


      Aksakal, here I give a link to my own comment
      link
      Here is an excerpt about Anglo-Saxons and who steers in America
      the highest ruling caste of the Anglo-Saxon “priests of democracy” and Jewish interest bankers with black president Barack Obama in service.

      As for Kazakhstan and other CIS countries, I do not see any subject of mutual reproaches regarding the study of a particular language. If my sister left for France after being expelled from fraternal Tajikistan in the early 90s, she learned the language because she was going to live there, and now she even speaks Russian with an accent, adult nephews do not speak although they understand, and grandchildren do not understand they don’t speak. So here
      if he wants Russian to connect his and his children’s fate and life with Kazakhstan, he will learn the language, and if not, then why the hell he needs it in essence. Like in the Baltic states, my relative, the director of the school in Estonia, learned the same language and lives there calmly, despite being 10 years old, seeking citizenship. And my classmate, a Georgian ethnic born in Ukraine, taught a special course in Latvian at the Police Academy in Riga. Therefore it is the business of your people does he need the Russian language or not, If not, close Russian-language schools, newspapers, books, TV and so on, You will have a single language in France (they don’t even accept English) for everyone regardless of nationality, If you need it, then determine its status at least in Ukraine, That's all things.
      In general, there is the USA, China and Russia with whom you learn the language along the way, my advice is like in a joke
      An optimist teaches English, a pessimist - Chinese, a realist studies a Kalashnikov assault rifle. I’ll add Turkish as an adventurer.
      So it’s better to study Kalashnikov’s assault rifle with us and learn the Russian language. Both of these may come in handy soon. With a population of just over 16 million (in fact, Moscow and St. Petersburg), they can hold such a large territory and master it as if not without anyone else’s help.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 21 October 2013 13: 26
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        If not, close Russian-language schools, newspapers, books, TV and more,

        - even if one of those in power and those who are not in power would really like this, nothing will come of it. IT'S JUST UNREALIBLE IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS! Without mutual reproaches, but simply tired of pounding water in a mortar and constantly listening to reproaches for the oppression of both the Russian language and the Russians - the refusal of the Russian language in Kaazkhstan is UNREAL in itself, hence the unreality and non-existence of the “Russian” problem in Kazakhstan. I dont know. why is he being woken up in Kazakhstan? The Russians themselves, now living in Kaliningrad, not a single one accuse the Kazakhs of nationalism and oppression on the basis of nationality. But they are accused of a low level of culture ("Oh, God, you can walk barefoot in Kaliningrad! It's impossible in Kazakhstan - everything is spat upon!"), Poor health care and education, well, not bad, but worse than in Russia, and all this, to Unfortunately, there is a place to be. But let's close the topic of nationalism - we do not have it! Simply not! We are a multi-national power, we have a hundred nationalities, and only Russians are being oppressed! Well, you must.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 21 October 2013 16: 50
          +2
          Quote: aksakal
          . I dont know. Why is it being awakened in Kazakhstan?


          Well, you yourself before answered my question, why and who needs it? No Russians, Kazakhs? I doubt it ... Cui prodest?
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 21 October 2013 17: 06
            +2
            Quote: Ascetic
            Well, you yourself before answered my question, why and who needs it? No Russians, Kazakhs? I doubt it ... Cui prodest?

            - Ascetic, once again my respect to you! Perhaps I am quick-tempered and sometimes overly emotional when some feelings hurt, but I can't help but express my respect to you. Weighted and very reasonable, exactly as the Kazakh Russian-speaking poet Olzhas Suleimenov dreamed of - "to raise the steppe without humiliating the mountains!"
            At work, your links do not open, but I will definitely read at home.
          2. Netrocker
            Netrocker 22 October 2013 13: 30
            +6
            ... this is beneficial to those to whom our vehicle is like a bone in the throat ... and judging by the chauvinistic boorish posts of some "non-comrades", their plans are being realized ...
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 12: 22
    -2
    Quote: Alibekulu
    For some reason, seeing Kazakhs in positions, they do not at all point to see Kazakhs who live below the poverty line, where Kazakhs are beyond competition ...

    the problem is not in the Kazakhs in power, but in relation to this very power to manifestations of national intolerance.
    when every day you come across this will not you think about it
    1. Netrocker
      Netrocker 22 October 2013 13: 32
      +5
      Vladimir! Have you mixed up anything? It’s always there that some nationalist graters with victims take place there, and not in Kazakhstan ...
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2013 14: 17
        -5
        Quote: Netrocker
        It’s always there that some nationalist graters with victims take place there, and not in Kazakhstan ...

        everyone spoke about these graters, as you put it, from the first person of the state to the last janitor, no one is silent or trying to hide them, they are and this is a problem.
        at the same time, in the Republic of Kazakhstan everyone pretends that there is no national problem.
        another question is that this does not solve the existing problem, but only drives it inside and when it explodes, no one will seem.
        1. Netrocker
          Netrocker 22 October 2013 14: 29
          +3
          Vladimir! In our country, unlike Russia, people are not killed for the 5th column. I don't have any nationalities in my department, even there is an "exotic" Belarusian, the head of the department is a crest from Kiev, a former air defense major-shnik stayed here - everything is working fine. So you still see the psychosis of the 90s does not pass ...
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2013 15: 15
            -4
            listen, stop talking nonsense, and in the RK young animals from the aul may well go to Russian and everything may end not so well
            1. Netrocker
              Netrocker 22 October 2013 16: 50
              +4
              This young growth will then be steamed on the bunks and at the same time very fast! I don’t know how in other cities of KZ, but I have no problems with this here in Almaty. Naturally, at night they can be pressed somewhere in a dark place, but this will be excuse me just a gop-stop, believe them they won’t look at your passport, they’re interested in something else ... So you’re talking nonsense ... request
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2013 17: 06
                -4
                Yes, the problem is that this hop-stop with a national touch.
                dear, I have often come across a situation where a remark made to a Kazakh instantly grew into insults and claims that they say I am an impudent person on a foreign land and have the audacity to express dissatisfaction
  • Setrac
    Setrac 21 October 2013 22: 04
    +2
    Quote: Alibekulu
    For some reason, seeing Kazakhs in positions, they do not at all point to see Kazakhs who live below the poverty line, where Kazakhs are beyond competition ...

    Seeing Kazakhs in positions, they do not see Russians in positions in Kazakhstan.
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 22 October 2013 08: 14
      +3
      Learn Kazakh and hold positions.
      You can’t occupy a position without knowledge of Russian in Russia.
      At least turn on the brains. Giving posts just because he is Russian?
      Is that why Russia and Russians have such an image that bears walk the streets? Because the mentality is still medieval.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 22 October 2013 16: 40
        -3
        Quote: Lindon
        At least turn on the brains. Giving posts just because he is Russian?

        He included his brains, not to give the post just because he is Russian.
        Quote: Lindon
        Because the mentality is still medieval.

        Ha, and what is the mentality of Western nations? Which allows them to kill and rob, deceive and destroy entire countries and peoples? And what is the mentality of the Kazakhs?
  • aksakal
    aksakal 21 October 2013 09: 02
    -5
    Quote: BlackScorp
    And the main reason is "quiet" discrimination on the basis of nationality and language (including for Kazakhs), it is just that it is not customary to talk about this in Kazakhstan ... In the article, some "Expert" says something about commercial structures , in which there is supposedly one Slavic ethnic group, but for some reason it is silent about the obligation of each enterprise to hire Kazakhs, which is controlled by akimats of all levels, about the fact that the courts, prosecutor's office, police, banks, etc., etc., are 95% Kazakhs and not because of the absence of other candidates ..

    - Sorry, you're really PIZDISH! Well, come to Kazakhstan, I’ll post, I will find the funds, I will also find the feed, find me the mass facts
    Quote: BlackScorp
    And the main reason is "quiet" discrimination based on nationality and language (including for Kazakhs),

    - and what is it expressed in?
    But I can prove that on my land they tacitly discriminate against me to this day on the basis of national characteristics. Simply by default, it is considered that Russian, all other things being equal, is a more qualified specialist, although in practice this is far from being the case! Moreover, this is by default considered in all structures - both state and non-state. And it is from the Slavs that advertisements for the employment of "only persons of Slavic appearance are received mainly. Persons with non-Slavic appearance, please do not worry!" And this is absolute discrimination, and it is being done insolently in relation to Kazakhs on Kazakhstani soil.
    I am silent about how sharply the chances of people of Slavic nationality to make a career only for mastering the Kazakh language sharply increase. Slavic journalists (albeit on condition of an attractive appearance, but there's nothing to be done - format!) Appearance with knowledge of the Kazakh language has completely replaced the Kazakh journalist with appearance no worse. But what about yak? - fashion & exotic. Only the Russians themselves do not take these chances.
    The real reason is “More than 20 years have passed since the creation of the Republic of Kazakhstan, but they still did not adapt to the new cultural and demographic realities. They almost always choose an isolation strategy, live in their own world. Moreover, this trend continues and even intensifies. It has long been not uncommon that commercial companies are almost entirely composed of representatives of Slavic ethnic groups. But you can’t live like that for a long time. The face of Kazakhstan is changing. Kazakh speech is heard more and more on the streets, the number of Kazakhs is growing, and this is another reason for the discomfort for the Russian population. The familiar environment is changing. It becomes Asian, Muslim. For all 20 years of the new country’s existence, practically nothing has been done to resolve this situation, except for spells on stability and international peace”And this: The first is the lack of prospects. They do not see a future here for themselves and their children, since the system built in Kazakhstan leaves no hope for this, and especially for the possibility of self-realization. Secondly, the situation in the country in recent years is unstable - both in the economic and political spheres. Inadequate mechanisms for ensuring social justice; legal protection institutions do not work - although, to be honest, I consider these reasons shameful, but not as much as the persecution of Russians on a national basis.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 21 October 2013 09: 03
      0
      And how many such facts: you invite such Russians to share the celebration, for the sake of it, even if there are not many of them, you ask the toastmaster to conduct the entire celebration in Russian, ask the toastmaster to “Russify” as much as possible - and all the same these guests are sitting “out of place”, as if local Kazakhs will grunt another hundred grams and go to cut them, although no one was going to do this, they look at the whole celebration with a beech and then post unpleasant posts on social networks, like the food is so-so, the toastmaster sucks, the show-off is above the roof (well, it's true) , and full of "mambets" (this is the contemptuous name of the Kazakhs-villagers). Do you know how annoying it is? Indeed, in Kazakhstan, Kazakhs and Russians crossed little, Kazakhs lived in auls and were a tiny minority in cities and vice versa. With the collapse of the USSR and, accordingly, a sharp deterioration in living conditions in the countryside, the urbanization of Kazakhs began sharply, which led to a change in the cultural landscape in the cities of Kazakhstan. There is no ethnic persecution, it is just that Russians are uncomfortable. But nothing can be done about it, this is an inevitable process. Well, Kazakhs, when moving to a city, cannot instantly learn perfectly the Russian language, change the color of the skin with a cut of the eyes and master the grip of a Russian peasant perfectly. And who said that they are obliged to do this?
      1. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ 21 October 2013 17: 56
        +6
        Quote: aksakal
        and all the same, these guests are sitting "not at ease", as if the local Kazakhs would grunt another hundred grams and go to cut them, although no one was going to do this, they look at the whole celebration with a beech and then post unpleasant posts on social networks, like, food is so-so, toastmaster sucks, show-off above the roof (well, it's true), and full of "mambets"

        Well I do not know request I go to Kazakh and Uzbek Toi with pleasure (I will crack the Kazi ... smile ) I had relatives visiting, from Russia, they brought me an invitation to the wedding, I'm supposedly not comfortable, I have guests. Without hesitation, he takes out another invitation, what is their name? Fills in. Then at the wedding my relatives were shocked — 500 people at a wedding for them it’s not conceivable, but for us in the order of things. And then yes, I agree, for Russians at your weddings the service is exclusive, it’s even a bit confusing.
      2. olviko
        olviko 21 October 2013 18: 35
        +7
        "And the main reason is" quiet "discrimination based on nationality and language (including for Kazakhs)."

        For those who are in the tank, I explain. In Kazakhstan, to the Russians, as well as to other nationalities, the attitude is as follows: if you want to live here, then accept our rules of the game. Learn the language, respect our customs, culture, if you want to be respected - respect others yourself. Nobody drives you, if you want to live here, if you don't want to - nobody keeps you. As they say "go to your Russia". The words and actions of the nationally concerned do not count, there are not many of them yet, as they say, they do not determine the current trend. Will it be determined in the future? - this is already our responsibility, both Kazakhs and Russians, including Russians of Russia. In my opinion, everything is honest, the same is in Russia. Those who do not respect Russia and the Russian people will have a hard time in Russia. Yes, and there are also enough nationalists of their own. In conclusion, I would like to say that after the collapse, of all the union republics, only Kazakhstan and Nazarbayev treated the Russians humanly, for which they Koprakhmet. This nation is worthy of respect! But what about the disadvantages? who does not have them. We, Russians, in all honesty, can we say that we are perfect?
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 21 October 2013 19: 14
          +3
          Quote: olviko
          "And the main reason is" quiet "discrimination based on nationality and language (including for Kazakhs)."

          For those who are in the tank, I explain. In Kazakhstan, to the Russians, as well as to other nationalities, the attitude is as follows: if you want to live here, then accept our rules of the game. Learn the language, respect our customs, culture, if you want to be respected - respect others yourself. Nobody drives you, if you want to live here, if you don't want to - nobody keeps you. As they say "go to your Russia". The words and actions of the nationally concerned do not count, there are not many of them yet, as they say, they do not determine the current trend. Will it be determined in the future? - this is already our responsibility, both Kazakhs and Russians, including Russians of Russia. In my opinion, everything is honest, the same is in Russia. Those who do not respect Russia and the Russian people will have a hard time in Russia. Yes, and there are also enough nationalists of their own. In conclusion, I would like to say that after the collapse, of all the union republics, only Kazakhstan and Nazarbayev treated the Russians humanly, for which they Koprakhmet. This nation is worthy of respect! But what about the disadvantages? who does not have them. We, Russians, in all honesty, can we say that we are perfect?

          Oleg. judging by your post, not everything is bad in Russia with a sober look at the current realities of our life, and sometimes it becomes sad from reading some posts.
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 10: 33
      +4
      Quote: aksakal
      And it is precisely from the Slavs that advertisements for the employment of "only persons of Slavic appearance come from mainly. Persons with non-Slavic appearance, please do not worry!"

      Recently, such ads are prohibited by law as discriminatory. And so - yes, dofiga of such announcements was in every newspaper.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 12: 29
        +2
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        And so - yes, dofiga of such announcements was in every newspaper.

        can you give me at least one example? !!
        a rash stupidity, even if it was like that, although I knew to hell with companies where there were no Slavic persons in sight, this is done much easier and more competent
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 12: 45
          +4
          Oooh, Vasilenko took me out of ignore))))
          Don’t turn on the fool. ALL Kazakhstani newspapers have had such announcements until recently. Who are you scratching now, claiming that it was not? You tell tales to Russians.
          And although it is forbidden, still on the internet, some still write like this: "Required ____ Slavic appearance." You are not even funny in your attempt to blame the Kazakhs.
          By the way, if you are not in the know, then in Russia such ads are also popular. Moreover, non-Slavs are FORBIDDEN to serve in the Kremlin regiment. So if you want to look for nationalism, start with the Kremlin guards.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 13: 11
            +1
            bring at least one screen, by the way now you are blaming the Russians and not me Kazakhs.
            and as for the guards, well, the question can be sent to you, by the way, you didn’t look at the tank biathlon, I didn’t see any Slavic faces in your team
            1. Lindon
              Lindon 21 October 2013 15: 45
              +4
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              bring at least one screen, by the way now you are blaming the Russians and not me Kazakhs.
              and as for the guards, well, the question can be sent to you, by the way, you didn’t look at the tank biathlon, I didn’t see any Slavic faces in your team


              A tank biathlon from 3 tankers a great indicator of oppression of the Slavs? belay
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 16: 24
                -4
                Well, firstly, not out of three, and secondly, pay attention to a hundred Russia was represented not only by Russians, but in the Republic of Kazakhstan exclusively by Kazakhs, even if they couldn’t control a tank before the way, and I do not need to say that the Russians do not want to serve in the army
                1. aksakal
                  aksakal 21 October 2013 16: 51
                  +8
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Well, firstly, not out of three, and secondly, pay attention to a hundred Russia was represented not only by Russians, but in the Republic of Kazakhstan exclusively by Kazakhs, even if they couldn’t control a tank before the way, and I do not need to say that the Russians do not want to serve in the army

                  - dear, since military service has become the norm when entering the civil service, especially the financial floor, customs and others, you won’t get to the Kazakh Army just like that - you posted it below, no one noticed. in order to divert from the army, now the situation is exactly the opposite - they are floating for what would be allowed to serve in the army. And everyone pays - Kazakhs, not Kazakhs. There are lambs that live in the envelope - go serve, and if you have specialized education and knowledge, at least a couple of phrases in the Kazakh language, ANYONE, regardless of nationality, can apply for work in these bodies.
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  even if the tank before the way can not be controlled

                  - when you read it and write an indignant post that the Kazakh janitor is accepted normally by the Russians in Kazakhstan, but the Kazakh in a Mercedes is perceived only as a thief who stole from Russian it doesn’t matter for the Kazakhstani people that a workplace or financially, the main thing is a thief, because they, such cornflowers, have such a persistent stereotype, you’ll break the hell. And in the future, as Marek, I DO NOT INTEND to talk to such a Vasilenko in a normal tone, for he writes insulting nonsense -
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  even if the tank before the way can not be controlled

                  - and this applies not only to control tanks, but in general everything. It is simply amazing that at the same time, the Kazakhs somehow did not fall apart and somehow live, and the per capita GDP is slightly inferior to the Russian one. Well, of course, according to Vasilenko, these are Russians again, working as inconspicuous deputies, out of kindness of heart they pull Kazakhstan with stupid Kazakhs laughing I will not talk normally with him! The nose is not mature, let it go and carry water on itself! am
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 16: 58
                  -3
                  Quote: aksakal
                  It is simply amazing that at the same time, the Kazakhs somehow did not fall apart and somehow live, and the per capita GDP is slightly inferior to the Russian one. Well, of course, according to Vasilenko, these are Russians again, working as inconspicuous deputies, out of kindness of heart they pull Kazakhstan with stupid Kazakhs

                  I don’t even argue and prove, everything is fine with you, industry, banks, CX.
                  everything is wonderful and wonderful
                3. aksakal
                  aksakal 21 October 2013 17: 16
                  +4
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  I’m not even arguing and proving that everything is fine with you, industry, banks, CX. everything is wonderful and wonderful

                  - Well, just like yours, no better and no worse, but in its scale - I hope, comparing Kazkommertsbank and Russian Sberbank, you always remember that you have a population of 9 times more? By the way, for fun, the Kazkom is not 9 times smaller than Sberbank, but less than a multiple, which already indicates that we have managers, and they are not bad. And everyone has problems. America has debts. Russia and Kazakhstan have their own problems. But these problems are not connected with the properties of the ethnic group, you can not even prove it. BUT! If this reassures you, prove yourself personally and calm down, even for the sake of your reassurance I can agree with your arguments and even with my second-rate agree, I’ll survive the thread .. laughing Will it be easier for you? Please inform
                4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 18: 06
                  -1
                  only "laundry" under the name kazkom is not necessary to remember
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 15: 55
        +6
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        bring at least one screen, by the way now you are blaming the Russians and not me Kazakhs.

        in google banned? you constantly ask questions that you yourself can answer using a search engine. although still useless. at least bring the author of such an announcement by your hand, you’ll still flog the garbage. not the first time already.
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        and about the guards, well, the question can be sent to you

        there is no ethnic restriction in the Republican Guard of Kazakhstan. the Slavs serve there too. You can even admire them in photographs. if you really aren’t banned in Google.

        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        By the way, they didn’t look at tank biathlon, I didn’t see any Slavic faces in your team

        and? among the three tankers did not see a single Slav, does the Kazakhs show nationalism? we have more Russians in aviation, and among the tankers, mostly Kazakhs. we even have the commander in chief of aviation - Russian Sorokin)))
        it would be better to notice that all Kazakhs answered fluently in Russian (although the accent made it clear that they were absolutely Kazakh-speaking), and the Armenians communicated through an interpreter.
        and in general in the army we have the vast majority of Kazakhs. even if they didn’t choose the best tankers, but with their eyes closed they poked a finger, they still hit the Kazakhs)))
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 16: 27
          -1
          Quote: Marek Rozny
          and with their eyes closed they poked a finger, they still hit the Kazakhs)))

          the main thing they managed to poke in a mess, a little commander who did not ditch
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 17: 21
            +4
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            the main thing they managed to poke in a mess, a little commander who did not ditch

            and nevertheless, the fact that the Kazakhs took second place, giving the Russians less than the first minute - in many respects the merit of this hot mechvod))) well, he really wanted to win, and therefore made such a significant mistake, but how did he later flew on his tank! Eagle! )))
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 18: 58
            0
            the fact that they took second place is excuse the bullshit they were the last, the delay was the fault of the Kazakh team and you can not stop the stopwatch.
            I would understand if it was a technical malfunction that arose not through the fault of the crew
    3. Netrocker
      Netrocker 22 October 2013 14: 06
      +7
      Our Slavs do not have funny faces, but cute faces! And how many tanks from Kazakhstan are there so that for example a Russian would get there, which in the army and 10% will not be typed?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2013 14: 20
        -5
        there were no tanks from the Republic of Kazakhstan at all, and there are no tales about the fact that there are no Russians in the army of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 22 October 2013 14: 34
          +4
          Vasilenko
          Russians are in the army, but their minuscule
        2. Netrocker
          Netrocker 22 October 2013 14: 39
          +7
          How was it not? !!! Tankers from the Republic of Kazakhstan took second place in the biathlon, but they WASN'T ?! laughing Well, as for the Russians in the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan - just watch the video of parades or exercises and see for yourself! Their units !!!
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 13: 13
    -2
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    Oooh, Vasilenko took me out of ignore))))

    Durkee, do not turn you on there and there wasn’t (more precisely, 2 minutes 4 months ago, I checked what this function means), as you always don’t know what, you’ll come up with
  • aksakal
    aksakal 21 October 2013 13: 36
    +1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    can you give me at least one example? !! it’s extremely rare stupidity, even if it was like that, although I knew to hell with companies where there were no Slavic persons, it is much easier and more competent

    I’ll find it especially for you, although it’s very necessary. It is understandable when people are recruiting for a Russian restaurant, but people stumbled upon the fact that such a demand was simply groundless, just like that to the chef - the founder or the head. So he saw his team, which at the same time didn’t HAVE ANYTHING such specificity as an ethnic restaurant!
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 14: 33
      0
      Quote: aksakal
      I’ll find it especially for you, although it’s very necessary

      find we will talk, in any case, I have not encountered such
  • smile
    smile 21 October 2013 12: 54
    -2
    aksakal
    Well ... the soul rushed to paradise ... or rather ... yes, over the bumps ... look at the comments of your compatriots, you can see right away. that we, in your opinion, are both fascists and ignoramuses and poor Kazakhs oppressing ... what else is there? Yeah, looking for colonizers and all that ... terms like PIZDISH are used ... and what’s the reason that you got off the chain, proving foam at the mouth that we are villains? Oh yes, some Kazakh woman wrote an article about Russian migration ... and that was enough for you to untie the bag with d .. m that you keep in your bosom ... so it turns out, eh? But it turns out that Russophobia is blooming in you, and even the mention of Russians in Kazakhstan causes any hatred in you ... but no one has already hinted at how Russian you lived in the 90s ....
    Dear, you yourself took off your pants, I can imagine how Russian is living with you, reading your comments oozing with anger ..... well, who are the Nazis? Hello, convey your conscience - she did the right thing that she left you, otherwise she would have died - the conscience does not live there. where terry chauvinism blooms ...
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 21 October 2013 14: 26
      +3
      Quote: smile
      Dear, you yourself took off your pants, I can imagine how Russian is living with you, reading your comments oozing with anger ..... well, who are the Nazis? Hello, convey your conscience - she did the right thing that she left you, otherwise she would have died - the conscience does not live there. where terry chauvinism blooms

      - if you noticed, my post was exactly the answer to an EXTREMELY unfair post
      Quote: BlackScorp
      And the main reason is "quiet" discrimination on the basis of nationality and language (including for Kazakhs), it is just that it is not customary to talk about this in Kazakhstan ... In the article, some "Expert" says something about commercial structures , in which there is supposedly one Slavic ethnic group, but for some reason it is silent about the obligation of each enterprise to hire Kazakhs, which is controlled by akimats of all levels, about the fact that the courts, prosecutors, police, banks, etc., etc., are 95% Kazakhs and not because of the absence of other candidates ...

      - this is especially the post. And this lie gained a lot of advantages at the same time. This confirms that you simply believe in what you want to believe, and do not believe in what you do not want to believe. In this case, you want to believe that in all countries, especially in Kazakhstan, Russians are oppressed, and our arguments are not taken into account at all. That is why it is no longer arguments, but YELLOW, since it is no longer possible to reach you, hence my harsh words.
      1. smile
        smile 21 October 2013 14: 48
        -1
        aksakal
        Just don't give a look. that you didn’t read a single comment of compatriots on this thread ... :))) Do you need to pick up quotes and put them here? If you noticed, I wrote quite a bit here, and if your compatriots didn’t rush to prove with foam at the mouth what we are fascists and villains, I would not write anything. At all. Just go over the comments and immediately understand who hates whom and who lies to whom .... I repeat, it’s enough to read the comments of your compatriots to understand how you relate to the Russians ... because you have everything there, yes ? Or is it where the selected Kazakh Natsiks gathered here?

        In general, it is strange how rude your compatriots allow themselves to speak out with respect to Russia and the Russians and how painfully sensitive they are to receive change ... That's why you never pull on your talking colleagues? Never. What is the price of your objectivity? Accordingly, what is the price of your statements and conclusions? Answer please. Just think and try to be objective for a moment ... :)))
        1. Andrey KZ
          Andrey KZ 21 October 2013 18: 30
          +3
          Vladimir, we are biting a little here, but let's see what our authorities are doing to strengthen friendship between our peoples. If it’s not difficult, read this article
          http://topwar.ru/34816-rossiyskiy-orden-druzhby-poluchil-akim-yuzhnogo-kazahstan
          a.html
          1. smile
            smile 21 October 2013 20: 56
            0
            Andrey KZ
            Thank. I read it. Very well. But look at what kind of bacchanalia here in the discussion your compatriots arranged. What are they talking about us ... and about the vehicle, by the way, too. Moreover, they are unanimous, no one makes comments completely dispersed colleagues. What conclusions can be drawn from this? Well, think for yourself what any Russian person will think after reading the statements of the Kazakhs on this thread? Do I pull quotes? Personally, I do not want to do this. But who will shut up the Russophobia fountain? That's really how to react to this? Silence and sniff in a rag? So we all were silent perestroika, here is the result, we were silent .... Yes, and I am silent, so far I have not been forced to surrender ...
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 21 October 2013 21: 33
              +5
              Well, everything is rightly said about the TS, and as for Russophobia, then this is a mutual srach, which is already here. how many years last.
            2. Zymran
              Zymran 21 October 2013 21: 41
              +7
              And by the way, I personally admit that the Russian question in the KZ exists. If I were Russian, perhaps I would also not like much that is happening in the country. However, I am Kazakh and I still don’t like very much.
              1. smile
                smile 21 October 2013 21: 51
                +1
                Zymran
                Thank. This is a very important statement. You are a worthy person, and I sincerely respect you, with people like you we wouldn’t have such a srach - for no reason. Yes, and the Russian question would not be ..... It is unfortunate that the site of people like you - a scanty amount. I hope that in the Kazakh society there are more people like you.
              2. Zymran
                Zymran 21 October 2013 22: 44
                +3
                Thank you I treat you with no less respect, although I do not quite agree with you.
                But in general, I always considered myself a liberal nationalist. Bearing in mind that

                Liberal nationalism emphasizes liberal values ​​and argues that there are universal values, such as human rights, in relation to which patriotic moral categories occupy a subordinate position. Liberal nationalism does not deny priorities in relation to those who are closer and more expensive, but believes that this should not be at the expense of strangers.
              3. smile
                smile 22 October 2013 01: 49
                -1
                Zymran
                The fact that you do not agree with all my statements is normal, men are not robots with one program.
                The term "liberal nationalist" is new to me. I think it is synonymous with "patriot". But the definition does not arouse my rejection, even though the word "liberal" is vulgarized in the same way as the terms "perestroika, glasnost, democracy, modernization, innovation, human rights, tolerance, reset" ... the concepts themselves are not to blame that they were perverted ... :)))
                In my opinion, it is much more important that you can always come to an agreement with people like you and solve any problem that arises. And both of our parties are sorely lacking people like you.
        2. Lindon
          Lindon 22 October 2013 08: 19
          +4
          Quote: smile

          But who will shut up the Russophobia fountain?


          Are Kazakhs already Russophobes? You are too good about yourself.
          We have a normal attitude towards Russians.
          But chauvinism causes allergy attacks.
          You live 22 of the year separately, and then all sorts of their EGO climb out - they teach life.
          To make a judgment - first look at the source of the "Russophobic" comments.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2013 10: 09
            -5
            Quote: Lindon
            Are Kazakhs already Russophobes?

            you have such conceit, you are not all Kazakhs
          2. Lindon
            Lindon 22 October 2013 10: 23
            +6
            Vasilenko Vladimir

            Here I read your comments.
            They lived in Alma-Ata, graduated from high school, institute — held positions, had Al-Farabi Shashkin’s apartment (prestigious area). They lived 16 years in Kazakhstan after the USSR - they saw everything with their own eyes.
            And write nasty things about Kazakhstan - well, that’s understandable. But why roll a barrel to Russia? Why didn’t Russia bring you there under the program of immigrants?
            Are you always and everyone unhappy? Is that your character?
            Are you planning to leave the EU as a refugee under the program or Canada?
          3. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2013 13: 11
            -4
            I understand that you wanted to show your steepness and significance, but forgive me, I pushed me into a puddle, I didn’t live in this area, if you are interested, the last address of Abay is 204 dollars of this Furmanovo 80, to search for a person in Alma-Ata just by the name of Vasilenko in his name the top of idiocy, only in the insurance company where I insured the car was 10 full nesk of 3 even with the coincidence of the year of birth.
            your fabrications tired me, do not tell me where and when I rolled the barrel to Russia? !!!!
            no, I understand that I want to blurt out, but sometimes I still need to think
  • avt
    avt 21 October 2013 09: 08
    +5
    Quote: BlackScorp
    . The only thing I agree with is that after a certain time in Kazakhstan there will remain mainly a declassified element and elderly people (here I mean only the Russian-speaking population), because the youngest and most efficient part of him is leaving ...

    This is confirmed by the fate of Russians in Tajikistan. Well, then the "indigenous" indigenous population will be drawn.
  • antibanukurayza
    antibanukurayza 21 October 2013 10: 14
    +4
    Learn Kazakh language and no problem! A Kazakh who does not own Kazakh cannot get a job in government agencies as well as a Russian who does not know Kazakh.
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 10: 28
    0
    Quote: BlackScorp
    And the main reason is "quiet" discrimination based on national and linguistic (including for Kazakhs) grounds, it's just that it's not customary to talk about this in Kazakhstan ...

    In Kazakhstan, knowledge of the state language is required to work in government agencies. If this is discrimination, then I can’t help. Schoolchildren and convicts are also not taken to the civil service, consider this also discrimination.
    Quote: BlackScorp
    .In the article, some "Expert" says something about commercial structures in which there is supposedly one Slavic ethnic group, but for some reason he is silent about the obligation of each enterprise to hire Kazakhs, which is controlled by akimats of all levels

    Absolute 100% delirium.

    Quote: BlackScorp
    that the courts, prosecutors, police, banks, etc., etc., etc., are 95% Kazakhs
    I have already spoken about the requirements for the civil service. The police are made up of Kazakhs, because the Russians should at least have served in the army. That you are not indignant that 90% of conscripts are ethnic Kazakhs? Russians by hook or by crook dodge military service (however, in Russia they do the same), and then they are surprised that the "military service" point turns out to be critical for work in the civil service or in the police. Banks and other commercial organizations are private organizations, it is generally stupid to accuse them of nationalism. By the way, Grigory Marchenko was the head of the state bank (National Bank) for the longest time.


    Quote: BlackScorp
    The only thing I agree with is that after a certain time in Kazakhstan there will remain mainly a declassified element and elderly people (here I mean only the Russian-speaking population), because the youngest and most efficient part of him is leaving ...

    The most normal ones remained. Why should they go to Russia if they succeed here? It is only the losers who abandon their old people in Kazakhstan and then whine that they were oppressed in KZ. Any hoopoe who does not do his job and is fired for this reason blames everyone but himself. In our case, he blames the "nationalists".
    I am very, very glad that the Russian diaspora in Kazakhstan differs from the "refugees" by hard work and prudence. And it is very characteristic that among the host of "golden-headed and golden-handed" ex-Kazakhstanis who left for Russia, NOT ONE HAS NOT ACHIEVED SOMETHING IN RUSSIA IN 22 YEARS. Among these pseudo-refugees there is not a single loud name in Russian politics, business, mass media, culture, science, and sports. So who did we lose? What prevents ex-Kazakhstanis from achieving something in Russia? Again Kazakhs infringe?
    1. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 21 October 2013 16: 06
      +1
      And it is very characteristic that among the host of "golden-headed and golden-handed" ex-Kazakhstanis who left for Russia, NOT ONE HAS NOT ACHIEVED SOMETHING IN RUSSIA IN 22 YEARS. Among these pseudo-refugees there is not a single loud name in Russian politics, business, mass media, culture, science, and sports. So who have we lost? What prevents the ex-Kazakhstanis from achieving something in Russia? Do Kazakhs infringe again?


      The winner of the Miss Russia 2013 beauty pageant, 18-year-old Elmira Abdrazakova, hails from the village of Zhelezinka in the Pavlodar region.
      Read more: http://news.nur.kz/253244.html

      The final of the Miss Deutschland 21 contest was held in Berlin on Friday, June 2013. He was won by a native of Kostanay, "Miss Berlin" Elena Schmidt http://forbes.kz/woman/miss_germaniya_rodom_iz_kazahstana

      Zhirinovsky laughing

      Arkady Volozh, 49 years
      Co-founder and CEO of Yandex, was born in the city of Guryev and graduated from the Oil and Gas Institute. THEM. Gubkin, majoring in applied mathematics. The CEO of Yandex Volozh became in 2000 year. In the ranking of senior executives of the Kommersant newspaper, I took 1st place in the Media Business nomination. In March, 2013 of the year fell into the ranking of billionaires annually compiled by Forbes magazine, his personal fortune was estimated at $ 1,15 billion.

      Natalya Timakova, 38 years
      In the past - the first woman press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation, and in the present - the press secretary of the Prime Minister, was born in Alma-Ata, and received higher education at Moscow State University. Since 2009, it has been included in various ratings of the best political strategists and for the second year in a row has been holding the third position in the rating of the 100 Most Influential Women in Russia, compiled by the Echo Moskvy radio station with the support of the Ogonyok magazine and the RIA Novosti and Interfax agencies.

      47-year-old native of Karaganda, Dmitry Salamatin - now Minister of Defense of Ukraine. He lived and worked in Kazakhstan until the 1991 year. Later he left for Moscow, where he achieved great successes in labor activity. Since 1999, he has been living permanently in Ukraine. Twice he was elected People's Deputy of Ukraine from the Party of Regions, the ex-general director of the concern Ukroboronprom.
      More details: http://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/nazvanyi-10-priznannyih-za-rubejom-kazahsta
      ntsev-215960 /

      Professional hockey player, goalkeeper Evgeny Nabokov. He is 36 years old. Set an NHL record by scoring 11 away wins in a row; the first goalkeeper in NHL history to score a majority goal; became the second goalkeeper who managed to win more than 40 victories of the 3 season in a row, the best goalkeeper of the 2008 World Cup. Born in Ust-Kamenogorsk, graduated from the Ust-Kamenogorsk hockey school. In 1997, he went to North America
      More details: http://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/nazvanyi-10-priznannyih-za-rubejom-kazahsta
      ntsev-215960 /


      Vasily Rozinov
      Status: $ 625 000 000
      Age: 57
      Vasily Rozinov is the general director and owner of Ivolga-Holding LLP, and in half with Nurlan Tleubaev, is owned by Grain Insurance Company JSC. The holding includes agricultural, manufacturing, engineering companies, the Ivolga gas station network, the fleet of 50 aircraft, the Kostanay News newspaper and the Alau TV channel.
      The business is geographically diversified, and therefore traditional risks for agriculture are reduced. Ivolga-Holding LLP processes 1,5 million ha of farmland in Kazakhstan and Russia, which makes it the largest agricultural company in the world. The company operates an 31 elevator with a total capacity of over 3 million tons and exports grain.

      but there is someone who simply arranged his personal life and works quietly. Judging by my own kind.
      DO NOT PUT HELP TO RUSSIANS LEAVING FROM KAZAKHSTAN.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 21 October 2013 17: 27
        +2
        Quote: TS3sta3
        DON'T NEED Pouring HELP ON RUSSIAN LEAVEERS FROM KAZAKHSTAN

        - this is bad luck - it was these people who never spat on the Kazakhs! Moreover, Soskovets was a big shot in our country, he became an even bigger shot there, they forgot to mention him, spoke very highly and flatteringly about Kazakhstan and Kazakhstani. Singer Linda lived with us until she was 7 years old - no offense. The boxer, who now lives in Australia, Kostya Tszyu, the master of sports received exactly as a member of the Kazakhstan national team, Vladimr Zhirov, also a boxer who now lives in the USA, also - no offense against Kazakhstan! Amazing You leave without offense - you become a person abroad. You leave offended - you carry water abroad and post nasty things about Kazakhstan. Vasilenko, is there anything to think about?
        Yes, I also forgot about the Perm Deputy in Deripaska in his empire, the girl’s name is Gulzhan. But also no offense. laughing
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 17: 56
          +2
          Aksakal, in that post they simply did not understand who the "refugees" are))) I wrote my thesis that NONE "REFUGEES" brought anything to the new homeland already on the site. True, I always added that by refugees I do not mean those who left before the collapse of the USSR and those who left for some personal reasons (family relations, education with subsequent employment). I never heard from them that someone oppressed them. This is not "cornflower".
          I had to immediately add what a "golden-handed golden-headed refugee" is, so as not to provoke comrade TS3sta3.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 18: 10
            -5
            Well, your rudeness is not known anything new, you did not say and did not surprise anyone
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 17: 48
        +3
        And who of them lived in independent Kazakhstan and is a "refugee"?
        Arkady Volozh left Kazakhstan in 1982.
        Dmitry Salamatin - left in 1991.
        Natalya Timakova in 1992, when the Kazakhs did not even suffer from "nationalism", they were still paying with Soviet rubles.
        These three could not escape from any "horrors" of Kazakhstan.

        Nabokov - although he left in 1997, he is also not a refugee at all. Moreover, they did not want to let him go))) And he did not leave for Russia initially, but for America.

        And what does the list do Vasily Rozinov? Did he leave Kazakhstan ??? One of the richest people in Kazakhstan, by the way. And that some tryndyat that poor Russians are not allowed to live)))

        Mannequin Elmira Abdrazakova, who left in 1997 at the age of three with a single mother - a gigantic loss for Kazakhstan ... Che here ... What kind of people were kicked out ... Although for some reason it seems that Elmira can hardly say herself that her Kazakhs infringed) )))
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 18: 04
          +2
          Well, and about the only "refugee" from this list, Elmira Abdrazakova:
          "October 21, 2013
          Miss Russia trolls for being a Tatar from Kazakhstan
          Because of these attacks, the Miss Universe contestant was forced to close her social media accounts.
          19-year-old Elmira Abdrazakova, the representative of Russia in the Miss Universe 2013 contest, which will be held on November 9 in Moscow's Crocus City Hall, was the victim of trolling for being “not Russian enough,” the emirate’s website Emirates24 / 7 reports. Abdrazakova’s father is a Tatar, and she herself was born in Kazakhstan.

          Nationalists claim: she does not deserve to be called Miss Russia. The girl began to be attacked by racists on social networks after her victory in the Miss Russia contest at the beginning of the year, and this ultimately led to the fact that she was forced to block all her accounts on social media.
          “To be honest, I don’t understand why men are so aggressive towards a girl and her nationality,” Elmira SkyNews complains. “It was an unpleasant surprise for me that such people exist in our country.”

          http://forbes.kz/woman/miss_rossiya_travyat_za_to_chto_ona_tatarka_iz_kazahstana


          Is it necessary to talk about Kazakh nationalists? Kazakhs, unlike some Russians, are always proud of their compatriots. Despite nationality. It was in Russia that the Caucasian champion athletes were persecuted, and the Kazakhs did not hesitate to drop their tears when they saw Vinokurov, Maneza or Ilyin win.
          1. Andrey KZ
            Andrey KZ 21 October 2013 18: 41
            +3
            Quote: Marek Rozny
            Vinokurov, Maneza or Ilyin.

            .... Gennady Golovkin, Olga Shishigina ... here you can list for a long time
        2. Essenger
          Essenger 21 October 2013 18: 12
          +6
          Salem marek
          the most important loss of Kazakhs is by far Zhirik laughing
  • Wild_grey_wolf
    Wild_grey_wolf 21 October 2013 11: 59
    -4
    BlackScorp - I completely agree with you, though I'm still in Kazakhstan, so I do periodic reconnaissance in Russian cities
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 27 October 2013 20: 32
      -3
      Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
      I’m in Kazakhstan so far, so I do periodic intelligence in the cities of Russia

      stop hesitating. lathered up to leave - leave. decided to stay - stay. By the way, you can leave your parents in Kazakhstan, as practically all "refugees" do. do not be afraid, we are Kazakhstanis, we will feed your parents.
      Good riddance.
      1. Wild_grey_wolf
        Wild_grey_wolf 31 October 2013 11: 37
        0
        what kind of insanity do you bear, my Father has long lived in Russia with Metera, they feed themselves and they had to feed me from abroad in the distant 90 times, due to the inability of the State at that time, and it doesn’t paint you insultingly, I myself It has long been a Russian, and I work here apparently because HOMELAND is mine and, by the way, I pay taxes in Kazakhstan and I will live here as long as possible. . . and YOU Marek Rozny - HAM, I can still allow myself to say BAD.
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  • Lindon
    Lindon 21 October 2013 07: 42
    -7
    I do not believe that during the collapse of the USSR someone was kicked out in peacetime in 24 hours. All over the USSR, troops loyal to the Kremlin stood - the Uzbeks served anywhere but in Uzbekistan. When ethnic cleansing began in Moldova then Transnistria appeared. There was Chechnya - where there are fewer Russians than in Tajikistan - although there were no purges. In Tajikistan, a war immediately broke out between Islamists and secular Tajiks - and the Russian-speaking, like the entire population of the country, was plunged into the horrors of a civil war.
    Constantly on the forums there is a stamp "My wife from Uzbekistan - she doesn't tell what she did, only hysterically beats from firecrackers and fireworks"
    1. Civil
      Civil 21 October 2013 08: 00
      12
      Quote: Lindon
      I do not believe that during the collapse of the USSR someone was kicked out in peacetime in 24 hours. All over the USSR, troops loyal to the Kremlin stood - the Uzbeks served anywhere but in Uzbekistan. When ethnic cleansing began in Moldova then Transnistria appeared. There was Chechnya - where there are fewer Russians than in Tajikistan - although there were no purges. In Tajikistan, a war immediately broke out between Islamists and secular Tajiks - and the Russian-speaking, like the entire population of the country, was plunged into the horrors of a civil war.
      Constantly on the forums there is a stamp "My wife from Uzbekistan - she doesn't tell what she did, only hysterically beats from firecrackers and fireworks"

      The city is called Ferghana, relatives were kicked out at night, burned the whole street, year 1991. Allowed to take only documents. 3 of the month traveled to Russia, on a trip through Kazakhstan.
      1. Lindon
        Lindon 21 October 2013 08: 52
        +2
        Quote: Civil

        The city is called Ferghana, relatives were kicked out at night, burned the whole street, year 1991. Allowed to take only documents. 3 of the month traveled to Russia, on a trip through Kazakhstan.


        What was the street called? House number? I’ll go and see your house - the documents for this house (plot) from the current owners. Merchandise - digging up.
        The main thing is to give data without lies.
      2. Semurg
        Semurg 21 October 2013 09: 39
        +4
        Quote: Civil
        Quote: Lindon
        I do not believe that during the collapse of the USSR someone was kicked out in peacetime in 24 hours. All over the USSR, troops loyal to the Kremlin stood - the Uzbeks served anywhere but in Uzbekistan. When ethnic cleansing began in Moldova then Transnistria appeared. There was Chechnya - where there are fewer Russians than in Tajikistan - although there were no purges. In Tajikistan, a war immediately broke out between Islamists and secular Tajiks - and the Russian-speaking, like the entire population of the country, was plunged into the horrors of a civil war.
        Constantly on the forums there is a stamp "My wife from Uzbekistan - she doesn't tell what she did, only hysterically beats from firecrackers and fireworks"

        The city is called Ferghana, relatives were kicked out at night, burned the whole street, year 1991. Allowed to take only documents. 3 of the month traveled to Russia, on a trip through Kazakhstan.

        Well, this stupidity was frozen. I still believe that they drove them out, but what did they burn that they themselves burn their finished empty houses? but in general I live in the south and did not hear that the streets were burned and cut.
      3. smersh70
        smersh70 21 October 2013 12: 27
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        The city is called Ferghana, relatives were kicked out at night,

        on an international basis there, mainly Meskhetian Turks were expelled .. and the bulk of them came to Azerbaijan, and part to Russia ......
        1. Civil
          Civil 21 October 2013 12: 35
          +6
          Quote: smersh70
          Quote: Civil
          The city is called Ferghana, relatives were kicked out at night,

          on an international basis there, mainly Meskhetian Turks were expelled .. and the bulk of them came to Azerbaijan, and part to Russia ......

          The family is mixed Russian, Tatars, only 11 people, I don’t know the rest. There is no lie, all relatives of friends raised money for a house and clothes. They live in the countryside. They don’t feel love for Uzbeks
      4. za VDV
        za VDV 21 October 2013 12: 44
        +6
        Quote: Civil
        Quote: Lindon
        I do not believe that during the collapse of the USSR someone was kicked out in peacetime in 24 hours. All over the USSR, troops loyal to the Kremlin stood - the Uzbeks served anywhere but in Uzbekistan. When ethnic cleansing began in Moldova then Transnistria appeared. There was Chechnya - where there are fewer Russians than in Tajikistan - although there were no purges. In Tajikistan, a war immediately broke out between Islamists and secular Tajiks - and the Russian-speaking, like the entire population of the country, was plunged into the horrors of a civil war.
        Constantly on the forums there is a stamp "My wife from Uzbekistan - she doesn't tell what she did, only hysterically beats from firecrackers and fireworks"

        The city is called Ferghana, relatives were kicked out at night, burned the whole street, year 1991. Allowed to take only documents. 3 of the month traveled to Russia, on a trip through Kazakhstan.

        And near Samarkand, peaceful Uzbeks arrived in the Komsomolsky village by truck and delivered an ultimatum to the whole village of Meskhitin Turks to clear the territory within a day after the arson and physical violence. Cleared, threw everything. and peaceful Uzbeks just took them home. from the whole village there are only 2 houses left with a Russian family and a Tatar one. But not for long, they didn’t kick them out, but they created appropriate living conditions. so Lindon lives in the fairy tales of the Brothers Grimm.
        1. Lindon
          Lindon 21 October 2013 12: 51
          +4
          Quote: za VDV
          from the whole village there were only 2 houses with a Russian family and a Tatar one. But not for long, they didn’t kick them out, but they created appropriate living conditions. so Lindon lives in the fairy tales of the Brothers Grimm.


          You do not understand storytellers. You deal with each other.
          And here they write that you burn down the houses of the Russians and then they begged for 3 months on the road. And then it turns out that "a Tatar-Russian family according to a passport in the village of Meskhetian Turks was politely asked to leave for their historical homeland. So which of you is lying?" Civil?
          Ferghana and Samrkand did not understand - is it not in different parts of Uzbekistan? Who killed whom and where did they burn the whole street?
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 21 October 2013 12: 55
            0
            Quote: Lindon
            Quote: za VDV
            from the whole village there were only 2 houses with a Russian family and a Tatar one. But not for long, they didn’t kick them out, but they created appropriate living conditions. so Lindon lives in the fairy tales of the Brothers Grimm.


            You do not understand storytellers. You deal with each other.
            And here they write that you burn down the houses of the Russians and then they begged for 3 months on the road. And then it turns out that "a Tatar-Russian family according to a passport in the village of Meskhetian Turks was politely asked to leave for their historical homeland. So which of you is lying?" Civil?

            Oh father and you are also illiterate. where do you live on the moon? The events in Ferghana and on the territory of Uzbekistan took place at the same time. Read the story.
            1. Lindon
              Lindon 21 October 2013 13: 01
              +3
              Quote: ed65b

              Oh father and you are also illiterate. where do you live on the moon? The events in Ferghana and on the territory of Uzbekistan took place at the same time. Read the story.


              Read fairy tales to your children.
              I do not need to drive the blizzard. One writes burned-killed, another peacefully asked to leave. Everywhere in Uzbekistan pogroms were written of Meskhitin Turks, not Russian Tatars. Since when did Russians begin to write Meskhit Turks?
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 13: 07
                0
                Quote: Lindon
                Everywhere they write in Uzbekistan pogroms were Meskhit Turks, not Russian Tatars

                went to all
                1. Lindon
                  Lindon 21 October 2013 13: 20
                  0
                  The Meskhita Turks got it. And the Russians howl as if they were being cut there like Transnistria or Chechnya. Take a walk "A tractor driver cuts a Russian's throat".
                  I am not for the Uzbeks - I am for the truth. If the Russians were cut, it’s not in Uzbekistan !!! Russians were cut - but where I already wrote.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 14: 38
                    +4
                    Quote: Lindon
                    If the Russians were cut, it’s not in Uzbekistan !!!


                    If extremists in Tashkent didn’t reach a big rampant in Tashkent, organized pogroms in the Ferghana region began in late May 1989. in Kuvasay, Fergana, Margilan, Kokand, Tashlak and other settlements; extremists acted in crowds of 100-400 people, extremists armed with stocked metal rods, axes, pitchforks, knives and other objects began beating peaceful, and innocent people (including old people, women, children), began mass arsons of houses, numerous killings were committed, and not only Meskhetian Turks, but also Russians (Slavs) and people of other nationalities. The Uzbek bandits in Ferghana had the slogans: "UZBEKISTAN-UZBEKAM", "SHOWER A TURK TO THE SOUL OF THE RUSSIANS "," YES THE ISLAMIC BANNER, MUSLIM FAITH, HELLO Someone was given free drinks to the bandits (although drinking is forbidden by Islam, but in this case there were “all means are good”), many extremists were obviously drug users.
                    http://zasouz.ucoz.ru/blog/reznja_v_fergane_1989/2010-07-31-5
              2. ed65b
                ed65b 21 October 2013 15: 54
                0
                Quote: Lindon
                Quote: ed65b

                Oh father and you are also illiterate. where do you live on the moon? The events in Ferghana and on the territory of Uzbekistan took place at the same time. Read the story.


                Read fairy tales to your children.
                I do not need to drive the blizzard. One writes burned-killed, another peacefully asked to leave. Everywhere in Uzbekistan pogroms were written of Meskhitin Turks, not Russian Tatars. Since when did Russians begin to write Meskhit Turks?

                During the Ferghana events, our Russian purgenologist went to you along with the Armenians and Tatars and the Uzbek himself who is more prosperous, when you carry heresy, be careful. you can run into an eyewitness man.
                Events that began under the same slogans escalated into general looting and robbery. Analogous events occurred in Dushanbe, where in the struggle of the Vovtsy with Yurchiks they killed Russians and many others.
          2. ed65b
            ed65b 21 October 2013 15: 58
            +1
            Quote: Lindon
            Quote: za VDV
            from the whole village there were only 2 houses with a Russian family and a Tatar one. But not for long, they didn’t kick them out, but they created appropriate living conditions. so Lindon lives in the fairy tales of the Brothers Grimm.


            You do not understand storytellers. You deal with each other.
            And here they write that you burn down the houses of the Russians and then they begged for 3 months on the road. And then it turns out that "a Tatar-Russian family according to a passport in the village of Meskhetian Turks was politely asked to leave for their historical homeland. So which of you is lying?" Civil?
            Ferghana and Samrkand did not understand - is it not in different parts of Uzbekistan? Who killed whom and where did they burn the whole street?

            you don’t have a taste of those events at all and reason like an amateur october. do you think the events in Ferghana did not affect the rest of Uzbekistan in any way? Do you know that from Samarkand to the Tajik border no more than 100km? Do you know Penjikent? But this is Tajikistan. Everything in Samarkand came down from the mountain.
            1. Lindon
              Lindon 21 October 2013 17: 29
              +2
              Quote: ed65b

              you don’t have a taste of those events at all and reason like an amateur october. do you think the events in Ferghana did not affect the rest of Uzbekistan in any way? Do you know that from Samarkand to the Tajik border no more than 100km? Do you know Penjikent? But this is Tajikistan. Everything in Samarkand came down from the mountain.


              Do not drink acetone, from it you have cereal in your brain.
              What are the pogroms of Russians in Tajikistan? From your words, Russians have never been there. Why is the Tajik penjikent mentioned here? Are you there that donkey tails twisted?
              Connection with the pogroms in Ferghana of the Meskhitin Turks and Samarkand? There, too, the Turks lived?
              We know about one family of Russians and Tatars from the Mehsitinsky village captured by the Uzbeks. It turned out that no one burned at home and did not kill the Russians.
              If the Russians died, give names, surnames - or did they all live without passports?
            2. andruha70
              andruha70 23 October 2013 19: 02
              +1
              you don’t have a taste of those events at all and reason like an amateur october. do you think the events in Ferghana did not affect the rest of Uzbekistan in any way? Do you know that from Samarkand to the Tajik border no more than 100km? Do you know Penjikent? But this is Tajikistan. Everything in Samarkand came down from the mountain.
              ishsho one "iksperd" laughing Why are you there, by the method of budding reproduce or what? firstly, not 100km, but only 40 tongue and I visited Penjikent, so what? but the fact that the events in the Ferghana Valley, didn’t affect the rest of the territory, I affirm, as a native.
        2. andruha70
          andruha70 23 October 2013 18: 45
          +1
          And near Samarkand, peaceful Uzbeks arrived in the Komsomolsky village by truck and delivered an ultimatum to the whole village of Meskhitins Turks
          another "gramatey" ... laughing Well, explain to me, the native Samarkand, where is the Komsomolsky village near Samarkand (preferably with Google map coordinates)? you-not respected-accidentally with the Ferghana Valley did not confuse? tongue once again, there were ... but there weren’t, with the Russians.
    2. Djozz
      Djozz 21 October 2013 10: 06
      +6
      Yes, believe me, after graduating from the Novocherkassk Polytechnic University, my uncle was assigned to the city of Andijan in the 60s, until the end of the 80s the family lived and worked quite successfully on hand. positions and here a sharp rise in the "patriotic" self-awareness of local aborigines, who had previously lived with the Russians in perfect harmony, began, as a result, the uncle and his family barely managed to leave sunny Uzbekistan, now they live in the city of Gubkin, Belgorod region. PY. SY. My wife was born in the "glorious" city of Kostanay!
      1. Lindon
        Lindon 21 October 2013 10: 15
        +1
        Let's try to find the meaning in your words.
        Your uncle with 60-80x led the natives in Andijan (UzSSR) and now live in Gubkin. And where does Kustanay where your spouse was born if it is 2000 km from Andijan and Gubkin ???
        What was the last PS?
        1. Djozz
          Djozz 21 October 2013 10: 33
          +1
          This, I mean, the stamp "My wife is from Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, etc." found on the forums is often true in essence!
          1. Lindon
            Lindon 21 October 2013 10: 42
            +3
            Everything was moving in your head. The peoples in Central Asia are different with a different mentality. Between nomadic Kazakhs and urban Tajiks there is a big difference - only users from Russia do not know and do not distinguish it. And it doesn’t matter that they live in the same region.
            The wife who lived in Kustanai is almost in Russia, the wife from Tajikistan is already a semi-eastern woman with a scarf on her head. So they have accepted.
            1. Djozz
              Djozz 21 October 2013 10: 48
              +1
              I actually wrote about the stamps!
            2. ed65b
              ed65b 21 October 2013 12: 59
              +1
              Quote: Lindon
              Everything was moving in your head. The peoples in Central Asia are different with a different mentality. Between nomadic Kazakhs and urban Tajiks there is a big difference - only users from Russia do not know and do not distinguish it. And it doesn’t matter that they live in the same region.
              The wife who lived in Kustanai is almost in Russia, the wife from Tajikistan is already a semi-eastern woman with a scarf on her head. So they have accepted.

              well you give comics seen enough fool did you see Russians in Dushanbe ???
              1. Lindon
                Lindon 21 October 2013 13: 03
                +2
                Do you deny the existence of Russians in Dushanbe? Or deny that they are Russian?
                At least read the context - it was about the spouse of the user - she is from Kustanai.
                1. ed65b
                  ed65b 21 October 2013 15: 48
                  0
                  Quote: Lindon
                  Do you deny the existence of Russians in Dushanbe? Or deny that they are Russian?
                  At least read the context - it was about the spouse of the user - she is from Kustanai.

                  You along the way except your village were not anywhere. Russian girls in Tajikistan with headscarves on their heads never went to church, and if they don’t put on scarves, it’s not because of the eastern tradition. So when fasting write specifically and not by common speculation and fantasies.
                  1. Lindon
                    Lindon 21 October 2013 17: 32
                    0
                    Quote: ed65b
                    Quote: Lindon
                    Do you deny the existence of Russians in Dushanbe? Or deny that they are Russian?
                    At least read the context - it was about the spouse of the user - she is from Kustanai.

                    You along the way except your village were not anywhere. Russian girls in Tajikistan with headscarves on their heads never went to church, and if they don’t put on scarves, it’s not because of the eastern tradition. So when fasting write specifically and not by common speculation and fantasies.


                    Does anyone have a home? Stop drinking acetone.
                    You decide Russian in Tajikistan, they are or not?
                    In one we write that the Russians were not there. Now we affirm that the Russians did not wear scarves there.
  • domokl
    domokl 21 October 2013 07: 45
    +7
    Quote: Civil
    It’s just that Kazakh Russians have enough money to move,

    They don’t have enough. But they’re coming. In our region, not only Russians are moving, but also Kazakhs. 30 percent is already Kazakh
    Here, the matter is a little different. In Kazakhstan itself, the north is considered not very Kazakh. And the Kazakhs of the north, too. Probably afraid of the nationalists ...
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 21 October 2013 10: 11
      -1
      The most ardent nationalists are the "intelligentsia" from the South of Kazakhstan! Northern Kazakhstan at the time of my mother-in-law, who lived there, was not noticed in this! Now I do not know.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 21 October 2013 10: 49
        +3
        Quote: Djozz
        The most ardent nationalists are the "intelligentsia" from the South of Kazakhstan! Northern Kazakhstan at the time of my mother-in-law, who lived there, was not noticed in this! Now I do not know.

        the most ardent nationalist and, by the way, an intellectual, our akim, and the native southerner received the Order of Friendship of Russia, the highest order awarded to non-Russian citizens. He was awarded the order at the request of local Russians and the Russian Embassy for the construction of the Glory Memorial on an adjacent branch. this is to your cartoon about the terrible south.
        1. Djozz
          Djozz 21 October 2013 11: 22
          +1
          And, where did you get the idea that your Akim is an "intellectual", he is apparently a decent person!
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 21 October 2013 11: 58
            +4
            Quote: Djozz
            And, where did you get the idea that your Akim is an "intellectual", he is apparently a decent person!

            for me these are synonyms.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 12: 33
              -1
              Quote: Semurg
              for me these words are synonyms

              you got excited, as with the request of the "local Russians"
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 16: 01
      +2
      Kazakhs do not go to Russia. don't go. what do u do salaries are the same, prices are higher, there is more mess and crime, even there are nationalistic gopniks. why go to Russia? or maybe you have some secret numbers from migrant workers?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 20: 42
        -1
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        Kazakhs do not go to Russia. don't go. what do u do

        go home, go, sometimes even manage to be called refugees
  • Beech
    Beech 21 October 2013 16: 20
    0
    Believe me, there are frosts in Kazakhstan ...
  • andruha70
    andruha70 21 October 2013 19: 02
    +6
    From Uzbekistan, my relatives were kicked out at 91 in 24 hours without further ado, and burned at home.
    well, well, for more details please. in which region was it? what positions did you have education? who is of nationality? ... I read a lot of comments about the fact that in Uzbekistan, Russians are spread rot ... so: I answer - as a resident of this country who was born here, who lived here for 43 years, by ethnicity-Russian, having here, my own small, but my own business ... all this is bullshit ... I’ll say more — in Uzbek, I know only two expressions — assal (hello) and ok yul (in Russian — happy journey wink ) literally bright path ... well, and swearing ... where the hell, without it ... repeat so what am I talking about? oh yes ... I'm talking about the resettlement program ... 2 years ago, according to the resettlement program, I had to wait 1,5 years ... recourse (for each "wrong" comma, it was necessary to wait 2 months, correct this "comma" and again, all the previous past pieces of paper, re-submit ... belay now-2-2.5 years to wait ... fool but if you go, for example, to the Kaliningrad region, pay 20 rubles for a quota, then in half a year, you will receive a migrant certificate ... the question is why I am Russian by nationality (both according to my passport, and according to metrics, still Soviet ), is it necessary for every "wrong" comma, or not a very clear seal, humiliate in front of the representative of the Russian consulate, proving that I am not a camel?
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 22: 33
      -3
      I didn’t wait for a year or 2, and the commas didn’t rule and didn’t pay a dime for the quota, so that I don’t need to fit everything
      1. andruha70
        andruha70 21 October 2013 23: 32
        +3
        I didn’t wait for a year or 2, and the commas didn’t rule and didn’t pay a dime for the quota, so that I don’t need to fit everything
        dear, and you from which republic, and in what year, did the resettlement program? ps-quota is only in the territory of the Russian Federation- and not in all regions ... why am I writing this - because I myself went through it ... or rather I tried ... sad and I can afford to go to Kaliningrad and (like my few friends, Russian-speaking, among other things) in half a year get an ID card ... but not all Russian-speaking immigrants can afford it ... and what do you think, what Do they think about their historical homeland? request
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2013 00: 28
          -3
          Quote: andruha70
          dear, and you from which republic

          in October 08, from Kazakhstan
          1. Lindon
            Lindon 22 October 2013 08: 36
            +4
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Quote: andruha70
            dear, and you from which republic

            in October 08, from Kazakhstan


            Your house was not burned and did not give 24 hours?
            From the roar of a salute does not throw a hysteria?
            What were the housing prices? Are you in the crisis?
            And then the prices have not risen to the level of 2007.
            There is no excitement in the market.
          2. andruha70
            andruha70 22 October 2013 12: 32
            +4
            in October 08, from Kazakhstan
            Thanks for answering! hi about Kazakhstan, I can’t say anything, I wasn’t there ... request but about Uzbekistan, I repeat, every year, it is longer and more difficult. It is easier to go to Russia, and there this "program" is done. But again, I repeat, not everyone can afford it. personally, in my subjective opinion, if the Russian Federation was interested in the influx of compatriots, it would be enough to look at my face, for example mine ... repeat Slavic appearance? aha! in Russian, Gutar? - still ... I can wrap it with obscene laughing certificate of what we do not judge, is there? aha! all sorts of aids, drug addicts not sick? -not! here you get the ID card-get-sign ... smile
    2. Lindon
      Lindon 22 October 2013 08: 29
      +6
      Russian non-living Uzbekistan - can you prove that millions of Russians live in Uzbekistan? Consider Uzbekistan their second home?
      In Russia they only have a head about Uzbekistan in their heads
      From Uzbekistan, my relatives were kicked out to 91 in 24 hours without further ado and burned at home

      Here you are trying to find out the details from them - so in response to the shit they watered and, moreover, they come up with fairy tales further - Ferghana, Samarkand.
      They live some sort of rumors and speculation. Perhaps this is all due to the closeness of events about the Ferghana events - there are no limits to fantasy.
      Unfortunately, we do not launder the honest name of the Uzbek people on this site.
      1. andruha70
        andruha70 22 October 2013 12: 55
        +3
        Here you are trying to find out the details from them - so in response to the shit they watered and, moreover, they come up with fairy tales further - Ferghana, Samarkand.
        here I am about the same. hi I'm not saying that there were no clashes ... there were! but there was not a single, I repeat, NOT ONE skirmish-against the Russians! if you are not an alcoholic, and your hands grow from the right places, then honor and respect for you ... yes, you will not get into the Oliy Majlis (well, this is the specificity of all the "former"), but in everything else, the green light ... tongue
  • andruha70
    andruha70 21 October 2013 22: 12
    +3
    Civilian - alle! welcome! first, first! how do you hear? Waiting for 24 hours and squeezed houses ...
  • Beibit
    Beibit 21 October 2013 07: 35
    +4
    Well, Kazakhs are friendly people ... especially with Russians they get along well than with the rest. They are treated much better than "our own among strangers, a stranger among our own." As you know, we also have many ("Kazakhs") who return from neighboring countries. And Russians who still speak or at least know Kazakh are very much respected.
    1. Blackscorp
      Blackscorp 21 October 2013 07: 43
      +6
      Beibit, but I didn’t say anything bad about the Kazakhs and I will never say that, I lived in KZ for 30 years and I have a lot of Kazakh friends, and whenever I come there, we always meet with pleasure, people are very hospitable ...
  • Airman
    Airman 21 October 2013 09: 32
    -2
    The northern regions of Kazakhstan have never been Kazakh, they, like the Crimea to Ukraine, were "written off" to the Kazakhs by the notorious Nikita Khrushchev. And the capital was moved from Alma-ata to Astana for the reason that these regions could not separate.
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 21 October 2013 09: 37
      +2
      Alaska is also native Russian land.
      Why do Kazakhs live in Astrakhan, Orenburg, Omsk and other border regions with Russia?
      Where does the gift legend come from? Crimea is known from the documents? But where did Northern Kazakhstan come from? I give a hint - Gorbachev.
      Khrushchev did not write anything off - Kazakhstan was in this form under Lenin - though Orenburg was only taken away.
      1. Canep
        Canep 21 October 2013 09: 59
        +9
        If you go from Barnaul to Pavlodar (600 km), you can see that the Russian names (Pavlodar, Alekseevka, Pavlovsk) are mixed with the Kazakh (Barnaul, Kulunda, Sherbakty). There is no clear border. It will also be if you go in any other direction. And God forbid that the existing border remains only on paper (map).
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        2. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 10: 57
          +9
          Minesweeper, as always, takes off my hat for your measured messages. Madame ya-ai, I personally am ready to give money so that she leaves for some kind of Australia. But I won’t let you go) A normal person is Kazakhstan’s strategic wealth, and is not subject to export)))
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 21 October 2013 11: 08
            +3
            Quote: Marek Rozny
            Minesweeper, as always, takes off my hat for your measured messages. Madame ya-ai, I personally am ready to give money so that she leaves for some kind of Australia. But I won’t let you go) A normal person is Kazakhstan’s strategic wealth, and is not subject to export)))

            not without her it will be boring who will write "and they have an advisor ToNi blair"
          2. Canep
            Canep 21 October 2013 11: 46
            +6
            Rakhmet (in Kazakh) thanks (in Russian) hi
      2. Blackscorp
        Blackscorp 21 October 2013 10: 41
        +6
        I look at my opinion caused a great response in many hearts, so I can not help but answer and I apologize that there will be many ..
        1. I repeat once again, I did not comment on the behavior and did not speak about the Kazakhs of offensive expressions that you, good gentlemen, allow yourself to address the Russians even on this site, "like a worm in your own", "run away with screams" the stereotype of Russians, or how Russians behave on holidays, this already says a lot, and this is the difference between us. I, I repeat again, have a lot of Kazakh friends, excellent friends with whom I have the warmest memories, I was born in Kazakhstan and lived here for 30 years, but because of people like you, such an opinion about them develops ... I will not deny what Aksakal said about the "Russification" of the host, but it is and is being done and thank you for this, I say without irony ...
        2. I do not dispute the right of Kazakhstan to the Kazakh language, it has not even been discussed by me, and those who dispute — by analogy, argue about the knowledge of the Russian language for Russian citizens. But you must admit that a large number of Kazakhs, especially in northern and central Kazakhstan, also do not know him, like the Russians.
        3. I did not say that all Kazakhs are so cool and drive Mercedes, here you argue with yourself and prove something to yourself. I spoke only about that and I will repeat again that 95% of employees, incl. and leaders in courts, banks, police, tax, KNB, akimats, prosecutor's office are occupied by representatives of the titular nation, or will you deny it? although there are about 40% of non-Kazakhs in Kazakhstan .... are they all so incapable of taking positions in these structures? I will not speak at all about the announcements that a "Slavic appearance" is required in Kazakhstan, because I have not seen this and I can not even imagine ... I can say where non-titular nations are represented in the majority - this is production ...
        I can tell a lot more and how Russians, even with knowledge of the language, are asked to quietly make room in banks or other organizations, about beating in the army of Kazakhs who do not know the language or who know it insufficiently, according to the beating, about the enmity of the oralmans (especially from Mongolia) with local Kazakhs ... On this subject, you can talk very, very much and uselessly, because everyone has their own experience and their own worldview and agree in the end, to mutual insults and nationalist appeal ...
        P.S. Aksakal, if YOU are really Aksakal, and not like that, just a nickname, then I’m ashamed for your PIZDISH, aksakals do not fall before this ....
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 21 October 2013 11: 48
          +1
          Quote: Marek Rozny
          Nonsense. Take the pre-revolutionary census of these areas and take it easy with this topic forever.

          - Semipalatinsk volost (Semey volost) - was the center of life of the Kazakh nation in tsarist times, almost all life was spinning here, Kazakhs were at that time an absolute majority and Semey volost (now the region) is located closer to the north of Kazakhstan. Marek is right.

          Quote: BlackScorp
          Your pizdish
          - got excited, I apologize, because I really do not like the rush for nothing. In this post, much more balanced, you yourself admitted, but at the same time added "stories in the Banks".
          Quote: BlackScorp
          at banks or other organizations
          - when the leadership is changed, half of the bank practically changes, this is wrong, but in Russia the same is true - the leadership has changed - the team changes, the ethnic group has nothing to do with it, there are other criteria, according to the principle of "belonging to the team". Therefore, dismissals on the basis of ethnicity are the inventions of careless dismissals who do not want to look like a loser. As for the army affairs - I have to admit, but you should know - I served in the Soviet Army, and there conflicts, in addition to a break in terms of service (the so-called "hazing"), were also mandatory and on a national basis, it was always! I myself took part in such night barracks-stool battles. Most often, the fault went along the line "Uzbeks + Tajiks + the entire Caucasus VS Russians + Slavs + Kazakhs + Balts and all the rest." But this is not necessarily the case, there were other formats, it was also the case that the Kazakhs were at enmity with the Russians, I just indicate as more often than not, there was a national rift, and all this for what to say - ethnic conflicts in the Army have always been and will be! There is nothing to be done.

          Quote: BlackScorp
          I spoke only about that and I repeat once again that 95% of employees, incl. and leaders in the courts, banks, police, tax, KNB, akimats, prosecutors are occupied by representatives of the titular nation, or will you deny it?
          - Marek has already indicated about service in the Army, and he is right, but the Russians, as always, want to be in a special position, to get a job in these bodies without serving in the Army. Is there a reason for such a special option? No? Bye. He served, received a military ID, received a specialized education, learned about a dozen words in Kazakh (in fact, no one else will demand from you, said in Kazakh "hello", "goodbye", "how are you", "I'm going to work" and a couple more phrases, and on this - EVERYTHING!) - welcome to all these bodies. By the way, Marek, Russians do not shy away from service, there is now more competition for the right to serve in the Army than in any other prestigious university! Russians most often do not have so many rams, laughing to bring this herd to the draft board as a presentation for the right to serve in the Army and gain access to the right to work in the desired organs. But how can you help here? Grimaces of the Kazakhstan market, alas.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 21 October 2013 11: 49
            0
            And the national sign is inflated by the Russians themselves. Once I came to a friend in my car, I had to pick it up. I parked in his yard, it's cold, the engine works at idle, I sit, I warm myself. Here the janitor, a Russian woman, comes up and immediately into the room - like, drown it out and go outside the yard, wait there. Then I found out that in the courtyard in which it somehow happened, all Russians lived, their own orders were formed, many of which are contrary to Kazakhstani laws (OU! After all, you don't like that either!) and the requirement for "outsiders" not to park cars, even to wait in the yard. I said that this territory is not private, but Kazakhstani (I meant - state, public use), so I will stand here. And there was a big conflict, because it seemed to this janitor with some fright that I parked in this courtyard solely with the aim of telling her that "I am Kazakh and I am standing on Kazakh land and therefore get out!" But I didn’t say that, it’s purely a figment of her imagination.
            Sometimes someone is on the road, someone cuts me off, you catch up to say, "who taught him to ride like that?", You see the face of Slavic nationality and close your mouth, away from sin, otherwise you will hurt his national feelings, because for sure "dreaming up!"
            Once again I will repeat for you - in SABZHE that expert who indicated the main reason for the lack of prospects and the change in the cultural landscape, as well as, I’ll add, poor professional (including higher education) - this is the expert of PRAV. And on the rights of Askakal, I tell you - there is my opinion and WRONG. Your opinion is WRONG. So I’ll say instead of the word for which I apologize again.
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 10: 37
      +4
      Quote: Povshnik
      The northern regions of Kazakhstan have never been Kazakh, they, like the Crimea to Ukraine, were "written off" to the Kazakhs by the notorious Nikita Khrushchev.

      Nonsense. Take the pre-revolutionary census of these areas and take it easy with this topic forever.
    3. Kazbek
      Kazbek 21 October 2013 15: 05
      +2
      Quote: Povshnik
      the notorious Nikita Khrushchev "wrote off" the Kazakhs

      facts to the studio. wink
  • Alan
    Alan 21 October 2013 06: 45
    +9
    Good morning. There are several acquaintances among those who lived in Kazakhstan; special oppression on nat. they did not experience the sign, but the lack of prospects for the children, and such an argument sounded.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 21 October 2013 06: 59
      +4
      Hello. Here on the site, living and living in Kazakhstan today, well, not a little. Not to mention other CIS countries. So interesting opinions are ahead wink
      1. Canep
        Canep 21 October 2013 09: 39
        11
        I am Russian, I live in Kazakhstan in Ekibastuz and sometimes (visiting) in Pavlodar. The son entered the college in Pavlodar this year. No thoughts about moving. On the state. there are very few chances to get into the service, corruption, it exists in Russia. They take only "theirs", and Kazakhs turn out to be "theirs" in Kazakhstan, there is nothing surprising. The attitude towards Russians is normal, no matter how much I have not communicated with Kazakhs, nationalist sentiments are not noticeable. Sometimes (rarely) southerners who come to us to work (truckers, sellers of fruits from the bazaar) pretend not to know that, but this is rather an exception. In Russia, there are much more problems with Caucasians. By the way, specialists from both Russia and Ukraine come to our plant.
        The true reason for the relocation in the article was briefly mentioned - people got money to move. Salary in Kazakhstan is now commensurate with the Russian (for corrosive - less than 150 bucks on average) work is (sea).
        About the political instability, the author wrote in vain. Most likely the NAS has a receiver, but its name has not yet been named. I think this is Serik Akhmetov. He came to us in August at the plant, so the security measures were finer than if the NAS had arrived. They have known each other since Karmet. NAS was a party organizer, and S. Akhmetov was a Komsomol at the same time.
  • UV58
    UV58 21 October 2013 06: 52
    11
    but that Kazakhstan, we have in Russia, in the nat. Republicans are exactly the same. there is no nationalism, of course not! only here the population in cities, it was 80% Russian to 20% of the rest, now exactly the opposite. The nineties did their job and started the flywheel, if in the nineties - the beginning of the zero, having seized the power they sang the song: "We are the titular nation!" we have de "national consciousness" woke up, but in fact nationalism at the regional political level, then why be surprised now ??? why be surprised natsik on the streets of Moscow ??? "peace - peace", "internationalism" - no more words.
    1. Canep
      Canep 21 October 2013 11: 57
      +5
      Judging by the massacre in Biryulevo in Russia, there are many times more problems with nationalism. In Kazakhstan, something like this was in Jean-Ozen, not only on nationalist grounds, but mainly on economic and political grounds.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 12: 16
        +3
        Quote: Canep
        Judging by the massacre in Biryulevo in Russia, there are many times more problems with nationalism. In Kazakhstan, something like this was in Jean-Ozen, not only on nationalist grounds, but mainly on economic and political grounds.

        moreover, Kazakhs with Kazakhs.
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 21 October 2013 07: 15
    +8
    Living in an environment where the indigenous people consider you an occupier is far from comfortable. Most are only financially unable to move. Surprisingly, Russia’s unwillingness to accept these, as a rule, qualified specialists. Businessmen, ay, where are you? Here they are, those who you need so much. You only need to invest in the initial stage, and then you will more than get yours. And Kazakhstan, Armenia, etc. will manage. The enterprises will close and return to cattle breeding and agriculture, to which their soul lies.
    1. hrych
      hrych 21 October 2013 12: 55
      +6
      They will not return to cattle breeding, because have already lost their skills, but they will not be able to build a high-tech state either. The most important thing is that in the modern world, where all the predators are, you have to be big and the teeth have to be big, especially the canine teeth in the Yars. With regards to Kazakhstan, the prospects are not happy, because the territory is decent, the wealth of the subsoil is immeasurable, and the population is small, a third of the population is non-titular and discriminated, at least in language (in general, not a steel ball, but a jellyfish-like formation) and, for example, with the Chinese for the tribal ideals of the akyns, they will not run to Mother Russia. There is no way out to the world ocean, there is no one to help. The country is a typical victim. I repeat, when they destroyed the Union, they did not want 15 independent states, but planned to dismember and devour the pieces, what was done with the Baltic states and the CMEA countries, on which a new EU empire was created. And always remember about the rebellious Yugoslavia, hindering this process, it was simply bombed. Russia found the strength to survive and resurrected in the Chechen wars, the rest are not, now they are devouring Ukraine in front of our eyes, for debts.
    2. Kazbek
      Kazbek 21 October 2013 15: 22
      +4
      Aw! You said it back in 90, you’re like a tryndets without us, and you’ve gone for peace. You leave as much as you say, but something doesn’t happen. You are the most Russian in Russia, and well, you do not live like Arab sheikhs, if you are so smart. If we herders live like you, then who are you?
      Quote: Mikhail M
      The enterprises will close and return to cattle breeding and agriculture, to which their soul lies.
      You tell it to Vasilenko .. laughing He's a "special" on rams and goats ... bully
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 21 October 2013 15: 25
        +1
        By the way, Tryndec slowly comes and began to attack exactly as we got into the Customs Union. wink
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 15: 29
          -2
          Tryndec began to advance earlier, when the industry began to ruin
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 21 October 2013 19: 19
            +2
            They lived normally before the TS, even the crisis of 2007-2008. in terms of standard of living, it was not particularly reflected, but starting from 2011, the standard of living began to sag sharply.

            My compatriots, whom the Kremlin propaganda did not completely brainwash, will confirm this. Everything rises in price, from cars to medicines.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 20: 00
              -1
              oh just do not, especially about the crisis, you still say that the volumes did not fall into the crisis and all that.
              1. Netrocker
                Netrocker 22 October 2013 17: 29
                +4
                You know Vladimir, the layman is deeply violet about the volumes of something there, he just sees that that car, which even though used to cost about 20 thousand greenery, but now almost 40. Even the same AvtoVAZ rose in price, about which he did not want to hear anything ... Well? To whom is this vehicle beneficial? Probably all the same, owners of AvtoVAZ shares and a major seller of raw materials abroad, but this is not at all profitable for the people ...
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 21 October 2013 07: 28
    27
    I can only say for myself, my ancestors lived in Kazakhstan, Ust-Kamenogorsk from the day it was founded, and that means more than 300 years. And then at one point we suddenly became not root. Why did we decide to leave? The reason is essentially the same, but it is broader. It began with the fact that immediately after the separation of the USSR, the declaration of independence, the Constitution of Kazakhstan says there is an indigenous nation, i.e. Kazakhs and everyone else, is the state language, i.e. Kazakh and the language of interethnic communication i.e. Russian. But one clarification, the Russian language does not have any official rights. Under the same constitution, there is a list of public positions to which compulsory knowledge of the state language applies. At the official level, discrimination of the Russian-speaking population is not approved anywhere. But go to any institution and you will see 99% only national personnel. And this despite the fact that even now Russians make up almost 50% of the population. To enter and, especially, to graduate from a university is not a fundamental problem; getting a job is an even bigger problem. Here are a few reasons for leaving. I don’t intend to come back, I don’t intend to, among my friends there are none too. I'm not sure that those who returned felt joy, felt at home. Rather, this decision is from hopelessness. What awaits them in Kazakhstan is also a question.
    By the way, not a single day did I feel like a stranger in Russia. Not a single insulting word addressed to you.
    But there is no feeling that I am a stranger here, I am quite comfortable just from the feeling that I am among my own.
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 21 October 2013 08: 38
      +2
      The truth is in your words. hi
    2. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 21 October 2013 09: 52
      +3
      A small example from the socialist past. After finishing the 8th grade, the elder brother went to enroll (I don't remember how it was called correctly then) at the police school. So, at the level of the medical commission (some experts wrote that it is suitable) the conclusion of the commission: not suitable. I tried to find out why it was not suitable. In an informal setting, it was said: "You are Russian, you will graduate from college and leave for Russia, but we need national cadres." Yes, living in the north of Kazakhstan, I rarely met with nationalism. But still, and not without it.
      1. Lindon
        Lindon 21 October 2013 10: 03
        +1
        Quote: v.lyamkin
        A small example from the socialist past.

        But how did you not turn to the regional party party? Russian in the Kazakh SSR and the police did not take? But then, without asking anyone, Gorbachev took the head of the Ulyanovsk regional committee to lead the largest republic of the USSR and put Kolbin by his surname.
        You need to look at the national composition of the bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KGB in the Kazakh SSR - it will immediately be clear who was simply unfit.
        But Kazakhs under the USSR were denied access to many power structures and posts of strategic importance.
        But Russians, and now in the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the National Security Committee make up a significant share.
        1. v.lyamkin
          v.lyamkin 22 October 2013 04: 58
          -1
          That you are so brisk now. And what do you want with a 15-year-old boy and the parents of ordinary workers? And you remember examples only from the Gorbachev past, and this happened in earlier times. And we did not live in the regional center, but in such a place that we first had to understand where the regional committee was located, and then still get there.
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 13: 00
        +2
        Quote: v.lyamkin
        A small example from the socialist past.

        Eeee, is it in Soviet Kazakhstan, where the law enforcement agencies were 80-90% Russian?
        1. v.lyamkin
          v.lyamkin 22 October 2013 04: 58
          -1
          Sorry, mistakenly minus.
  • biglow
    biglow 21 October 2013 07: 39
    +2
    With such an attitude towards Russians, Kazakhs dig their grave, they do not understand that no one will protect them from the expansion of China besides Russians. Even here, on the website, Kazakhs write that there are too many Russians in Kazakhstan and this offends them fool
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 21 October 2013 09: 20
      -3
      Quote: biglow
      With such an attitude towards Russians, Kazakhs dig their grave, they don’t understand that no one will protect them from the expansion of China besides Russians.

      Oh come on, protect yourself

      Quote: biglow
      Even here, on the website, the Kazakhs write that there are too many Russians in Kazakhstan and this offends them

      Can I quote?
    2. Gur
      Gur 21 October 2013 15: 31
      +4
      Tell me, does Russia not dig its own grave without supporting its compatriots? Russia wants to keep its sphere of influence, but how can it do it when a large part of the Russian population leaves Central Asia? We (Russians) do not feel the attention of our historical homeland, so to speak. And resettlement according to the program, as it is mildly stated in the article, is not very comfortable. And as you know, a holy place does not happen empty; Chinese or Americans will come to the place of Russians. Although the Kazakhs believe in an agreement with China, (although judging by the Ili River, China doesn’t have a very good word), they nod to Russia in case of anything. But nationalism grows stronger as well as stupidity, when teachers, in cases of finding a Russian textbook, are accused of occupation and not patriotism (mild form) from the tsarist time when they see a Russian textbook in them. Kazakhstan itself is increasingly slipping into feudalism (I know that many Kazakhs will spit me out), but I write what I am witnessing. When teachers, technicals work for the school principal (home, garden, cattle), because because you have to hold on to work which is so small in the outback, or another case when there are requisitions for the head for races or elections. Personally, I’m still in Kazakhstan, but already in the rack, I sent my son to study in Belarus (there is no point in studying here, not because of the Kazakh language, but because of the weak teaching staff and general requisitions) So far, the truth has not found application for itself in Russia or Belarus. But honestly, I would live here, I grew up here and this place is dear to me, and I would really like Russia to remember us, just give us double citizenship and we will be happy.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 21 October 2013 15: 33
        +2
        but what can I say, you can only breathe
      2. Semurg
        Semurg 21 October 2013 16: 54
        +2
        Quote: GUR
        Tell me, does Russia not dig its own grave without supporting its compatriots? Russia wants to keep its sphere of influence, but how can it do it when a large part of the Russian population leaves Central Asia? We (Russians) do not feel the attention of our historical homeland, so to speak. And resettlement according to the program, as it is mildly stated in the article, is not very comfortable. And as you know, a holy place does not happen empty; Chinese or Americans will come to the place of Russians. Although the Kazakhs believe in an agreement with China, (although judging by the Ili River, China doesn’t have a very good word), they nod to Russia in case of anything. But nationalism grows stronger as well as stupidity, when teachers, in cases of finding a Russian textbook, are accused of occupation and not patriotism (mild form) from the tsarist time when they see a Russian textbook in them. Kazakhstan itself is increasingly slipping into feudalism (I know that many Kazakhs will spit me out), but I write what I am witnessing. When teachers, technicals work for the school principal (home, garden, cattle), because because you have to hold on to work which is so small in the outback, or another case when there are requisitions for the head for races or elections. Personally, I’m still in Kazakhstan, but already in the rack, I sent my son to study in Belarus (there is no point in studying here, not because of the Kazakh language, but because of the weak teaching staff and general requisitions) So far, the truth has not found application for itself in Russia or Belarus. But honestly, I would live here, I grew up here and this place is dear to me, and I would really like Russia to remember us, just give us double citizenship and we will be happy.

        . It seems to smash the Kazakhstan reality to smithereens and in the terminal only double citizenship is needed and there will be happiness.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 22 October 2013 01: 10
          -3
          Quote: Semurg
          and in the end you only need dual citizenship and there will be happiness.

          Here she is the dream of the Limitrophs about a Russian freebie, I used to think that the Kazakhs did not suffer from this.
          1. v.lyamkin
            v.lyamkin 22 October 2013 05: 07
            +1
            Maybe this is called a freebie. But here is an example of a relative’s freebie: I had to leave Kazakhstan, taking only things. That is, throwing an apartment, a cottage, a garage. I emphasize: abandoning, since there it was no longer bought or sold. And to live in Russia for more than 10 years I had to live in a barracks, whose roof fell over as soon as he left there. Maybe this is normal, but you can’t name a freebie either.
            1. Lindon
              Lindon 22 October 2013 08: 44
              +4
              Quote: v.lyamkin
              Maybe this is called a freebie. But here is an example of a relative’s freebie: I had to leave Kazakhstan, taking only things. That is, throwing an apartment, a cottage, a garage. I emphasize: abandoning, since there it was no longer bought or sold. And to live in Russia for more than 10 years I had to live in a barracks, whose roof fell over as soon as he left there. Maybe this is normal, but you can’t name a freebie either.


              Can you explain how you can throw an apartment, a cottage, a garage?
              How is this legal possible?
              So people left Arkalyk in 90 - they abandoned apartments. The mayor resettled the whole city in 5 high-rise buildings that were heated due to savings. Then oil grew - the economy came to life - apartment owners arrived and evicted everyone. The right of ownership is inviolable !!!
              Therefore, a fairy tale about abandoned - tell the children.
              Another question is that you didn’t have all of the documents - that means you yourself are not the master. And then friends bought an apartment - and they still have the keys to the garage - ??? - there are no documents for the garage - they put it themselves - that means the authorities will be demolished at any time.
      3. Setrac
        Setrac 22 October 2013 01: 09
        -4
        Quote: GUR
        , and I would really like Russia to remember us, just give us dual citizenship and we will be happy.

        As well as a double salary and a double bullet in the back of the head.
        1. Gur
          Gur 22 October 2013 07: 40
          +3
          Well, what can you expect from "relatives" then, compatriots. You Mlyn can only give dual citizenship to such pi..m as Posner, apparently they are dearer to you, and bring irreparable benefits to the fatherland. And I answer to the one who is higher .--- "It seems to smash the Kazakh reality, but in the end you only need dual citizenship and there will be happiness." - This is the little that the Russian-speaking population needs. The people do not ask for money or other benefits. (For the sake of fairness, it must be said that Kazakhstan normally supports veterans) But they want confidence that they are not abandoned, even if something happens (God forbid).
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 22 October 2013 16: 44
            0
            Quote: GUR
            You Mlyn can give dual citizenship only to such pi..m as Posner, they are obviously more expensive for you, and bring irreparable benefit to the homeland.

            Dual citizenship is a loophole for crooks and other evil spirits, I would not give it to anyone.
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 22 October 2013 18: 57
              0
              Quote: Setrac
              Dual citizenship is a loophole for crooks and other evil spirits, I would not give it to anyone.

              If you are talking about those in power and preparing the way of "retreat", then yes, if about ordinary Russians in Kazakhstan, then many would have stayed there.
    3. Alibekulu
      21 October 2013 17: 33
      -2
      Quote: biglow
      With such an attitude towards Russians, Kazakhs dig their grave, they do not understand that no one will protect them from the expansion of China besides Russians. Even here, on the website, Kazakhs write that there are too many Russians in Kazakhstan and this offends them fool

      You’ll protect yourself, the Far East has already been profaned. Stop scaring the Chinese already, I’ll tell you a secret, I don’t give a damn about your scarecrows, no sense, don’t try. laughing
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 22 October 2013 00: 36
        -2
        Quote: Alibekulu
        You protect yourself, the Far East and already profuci

        and in the Far East know about it?
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 22 October 2013 01: 12
        -2
        Quote: Alibekulu
        You protect yourself, the Far East and already profuci.

        But go and haven’t profiled.
        Quote: Alibekulu
        all do not care about your scarecrows, no sense no try.

        So thought Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, but Syria does not think so.
      3. Gur
        Gur 22 October 2013 07: 43
        0
        I wouldn’t get sick at your place, the laugh is not healthy, it’s not scary, but for God's sake, trips to the Kapchagai bridge, look at the fence (built this year), look at Ili, and then read the analysis of environmentalists if it goes like this, what will happen . I think it will be fun to rock.
        1. Lindon
          Lindon 22 October 2013 08: 46
          +2
          Quote: GUR
          I wouldn’t get sick at your place, the laugh is not healthy, it’s not scary, but for God's sake, trips to the Kapchagai bridge, look at the fence (built this year), look at Ili, and then read the analysis of environmentalists if it goes like this, what will happen . I think it will be fun to rock.


          The paper will endure everything, show in numbers - how much damage?
          1. Gur
            Gur 22 October 2013 09: 53
            -3
            For you it’s not likely, and for many people like you, you don’t even consider it necessary to simply clean up after you have drunk what’s in the mountains near Kapchagay. Numbers are needed, ask any fisherman, he will draw numbers for you. When in the spring, all the fish sailed along Ili, from the channels freezing to hell, to the bottom due to lack of water, Or at the moment you can go ford in some places. And if it’s so interesting to read an article by a Kazakh ecologist, (find on the internet) that due to the lack of proper infusion of Or in Balkhash, Balkhash will begin to dry, salt storms will appear, which in turn will settle in the Alatao mountains, mass melting of glaciers will begin, water will not now Almaty suffices, and as a result of salt erosion, water may not become at all. And cheers long live the steppe. Here are all the arguments and facts. You can read the same thing about Black Irtysh.
            1. Lindon
              Lindon 22 October 2013 10: 01
              +3
              Quote: GUR
              And if it’s so interesting to read an article by a Kazakh ecologist .... it will start to dry, salt storms will appear, which in turn .... will not become at all.



              “Don't read Soviet newspapers until lunchtime,” otherwise it will seem that we are all going to die.
              We are discussing national and migration policies here, not ecology.
              Although I do not argue - our environment is not a fountain and climate - moving to Thailand for a month for treatment would not hurt everyone.
              1. Gur
                Gur 22 October 2013 10: 21
                -6
                Well, if we are discussing migration and national politics, don't fuck it, then beat yourself in the chest and say that we are not afraid of the gray wolf (China). In general, many peoples have lost their fear, they believe that universal brotherhood has already begun. (some have already been counted, and they were much more prosperous than Russia and Kazakhstan) Meanwhile, China is settling into the Uyghur autonomy. And this threat, both environmental and military, was also voiced by the former ambassador of Kazakhstan to China. Why don't you give us a damn about x, if not Russia so America will help. But whether they can, this is a question, well, we have no time for this, we are here deciding which of us is "hu" (xy from xy) Damned not grateful Russian invaders and Kazakhs are great martyrs out of kindness. And in the end, piz .. she can get everything in place.
                1. Lindon
                  Lindon 22 October 2013 10: 37
                  +4
                  Quote: GUR

                  Meanwhile, China is settling in Uyghur autonomy. And the former ambassador of Kazakhstan to China voiced this threat, both environmental and military.


                  I just want to answer: "In the meantime, while our ships plow space ...." good
                  Are you working as a repeater of Murat Auezov? He is a Sinologist, he cannot talk about anything else but about China. He needs to somehow draw attention to his person. By the way, Masimov Uyghur, who we had as an example, was also special in China.
                  In the USSR under Stalin, Russian-Chinese brothers forever. Khrushchev almost brought us to war. In the SCO, everyone has been razed and now China is the main SCO partner for Russia and other members.
                  No need to tell the old Soviet horror story about Chinese small groups of several million here. You know very little about the US geopolitical game to separate Russia and China.
                  1. Gur
                    Gur 22 October 2013 12: 50
                    -2
                    Does this thought only amuse you? that the United States will share it all))))) Well, the wolf took pity on the mare. And I see that you know so much about the US plans, and Kazakhstan is seen to have an enviable role there)) Just do not forget to get smallpox vaccinations.
                    1. Essenger
                      Essenger 22 October 2013 12: 58
                      +2
                      Quote: GUR
                      And I look that you know so much about the plans of the United States, and it is obvious to Kazakhstan that an enviable role is assigned there

                      Theoretically, Kazakhstan, as the leader of the Kipchak world, can play a role in the collapse of Russia.
                      But all these are just theories.
                2. Alibekulu
                  22 October 2013 20: 26
                  +3
                  Quote: GUR
                  And in the end, pees ... we can rake everything in place.
                  Gur, that you write Kazakhs understand no less than yours.
                  I repeat: "What exactly can you suggest to eliminate the Chinese problem ?!"
                  1. Gur
                    Gur 23 October 2013 07: 47
                    +1
                    What the hell is not visible that they understand it. One bravado.
                    You will not like my proposals)))) My proposal will sound to you like "occupation", "colonization", etc.)) There was already such an experience, there was such a country in the USSR)) And the threat of China was stopped. But seriously, judging by the conversations on the one and on the other hand, we are accumulating contradictions (maybe only on a personal level for now, God forbid that it was so) And also, God forbid, that our rulers had other plans for us Well, if ambitions and resentments on both sides overwhelm the edge, then what suggestions can there be? Everyone will solve their own problems.
  • major071
    major071 21 October 2013 07: 41
    16
    I myself live near Kazakhstan and I have a lot of relatives there. I don’t know, like others, but my relatives have been living there for the third generation and are not going to move to Russia. They are all happy. But they live in a small town where everyone knows everything from the cradle, and some have mixed families. Maybe all the same here is the problem of big cities? I will not prove anything, just sharing my opinion. hi
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 21 October 2013 08: 53
      +4
      and some have mixed families

      Here is the key phrase. And in the 40s, my grandmother told the Germans from the Volga region they beat him with whips forcing them to become wives and quite successfully (there were no men to protect) Fortunately, my grandmother was married and had a child, if I had known him figs Amangeldy by Amanzhol Kairbek laughing
      1. Lindon
        Lindon 21 October 2013 09: 32
        +4
        They brought in wagons from all over the USSR many peoples declared "enemies of the people" - without anything in cattle wagons to the bare steppe. They accepted it according to all the laws of hospitality - 70 years have passed since that tragedy and people are still grateful for help in the tragic hour.
        Today, 130 peoples live in peace and harmony. Fate gave them a second homeland where they took root and consider their home, not a prison.
        No one has returned to the Germans their collective farms, houses and property on the Volga. Khrushchev wanted to give the Germans the Tselinograd region, but the Germans did not want someone else's and only their Volga region. They did not pay black ingratitude for bread and shelter in a dashing year.
        1. Djozz
          Djozz 21 October 2013 10: 19
          +3
          This, Chechen migrants lived with 129 peoples in peace and harmony, well, you’re a storyteller!
          1. Lindon
            Lindon 21 October 2013 10: 22
            +6
            Well, Chechens in their second homeland behave respectfully.
            In Chechnya and Ingushetia, if you say that you are from Kazakhstan, they will cover the dastarkhan in any house.
            Relations between Kazakhstan and Chechnya are still preserved. Ramzan Nazarbayev personally awarded the highest order of Chechnya.
            1. major071
              major071 21 October 2013 10: 33
              +8
              Here I completely agree with you. Kazakhs in the Caucasus are well received.
              1. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 15: 29
                +4
                My father was the zakombat of the Orenburg OMON in the early 90s. Once, during one of the battalion's "Caucasian missions", Chechen fighters kidnapped two soldiers. My father instantly jumped into a UAZ, drove into a Chechen village and ran into the old people, conscience that at one time in distant Kazakhstan the Kazakhs were saved from death, and demanded that the Chechens return the debt in the form of these two soldiers. A couple of hours later, my father returned to the unit with these fighters.
                He had several awards for the Caucasus, although his father was not very proud of them, because he considered this whole mess a "civil war".
                By the way, I’ve constantly heard from different people that even in the years of the meat grinder, a citizen of Kazakhstan (even Russian) could safely be in Chechnya.
                Well, just the other day, I recalled here on the site how Kadyrov personally handed over to a Kazakh cop one scumbag who killed a woman with a child in Astana and then hid in the Caucasus.
            2. Semurg
              Semurg 21 October 2013 10: 39
              +3
              Quote: Lindon
              Well, Chechens in their second homeland behave respectfully.
              In Chechnya and Ingushetia, if you say that you are from Kazakhstan, they will cover the dastarkhan in any house.
              Relations between Kazakhstan and Chechnya are still preserved. Ramzan Nazarbayev personally awarded the highest order of Chechnya.

              served in the SA and during the epic fight of Middle Asia against the Caucasus, the Chechens said if the Kazakhs leave Middle Asia, they will not come out against us because ours saved many of them after the resettlement. Their memory turned out to be stronger than the local "nemes" casually trying to kick the Kazakhs.
              1. Gur
                Gur 22 October 2013 07: 55
                -2
                Tears of tenderness flow down my cheeks, just that this gratitude is not visible today.
                1. Lindon
                  Lindon 22 October 2013 09: 49
                  +3
                  Quote: GUR
                  Tears of tenderness flow down my cheeks, just that this gratitude is not visible today.


                  Do not call Chechens ungrateful.
                  They remember good, but evil is even better.
                  If you have a claim to them, you don’t need all the people here under one comb.
                  1. Gur
                    Gur 22 October 2013 10: 30
                    -4
                    Here and there, here and there there is a massacre between Kazakhs and Chechens, probably from an overabundance of feelings of gratitude. I don’t row them all, but I don’t need to sing about universal prosperity either.
                    1. Lindon
                      Lindon 22 October 2013 10: 43
                      +4
                      Quote: GUR
                      Here and there, here and there there is a massacre between Kazakhs and Chechens, probably from an overabundance of feelings of gratitude. I don’t row them all, but I don’t need to sing about universal prosperity either.


                      A massacre happens - and as a thorough and impartial investigation shows - the reason is not because he is a Chechen or Kazakh. But because ordinary crime or domestic showdowns. There is no interethnic here - otherwise a great pogrom of everyone at all would have begun.
                      1. Gur
                        Gur 22 October 2013 12: 43
                        -3
                        Dear, powder the brains of someone else's thread. But not for me, a big pogrom is not possible only because the Old is closed right away. Block posts with machine gunners, entry is prohibited. You know a lot about the massacre in Taldy of the Kurgan region, in the Kugalinsky district, Chengildy, Talgar, and much more about which you don’t know. And the reputable massacre is also a crime. In general, you can of course, as Kazakh analysts say, read the mantra about the friendship of peoples, but this does not make the situation any better.
            3. Djozz
              Djozz 21 October 2013 10: 41
              +2
              Heard from the father-in-law, robberies in the post-war period, stabbing, unwillingness to work, his father worked at the MGB Kaz. SSR in the Kustanai region
              1. Lindon
                Lindon 21 October 2013 10: 48
                +3
                In the Karganda region, the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is a Chechen - he is also the head of the diaspora. When reckless young Chechens from Russia come hiding from their exploits in Russia - and begin to cross all borders - he personally gives them away - because peace and respect for the diaspora cannot be jeopardized. And they live peacefully - this is how everything is done according to the law.
                1. Zymran
                  Zymran 21 October 2013 10: 52
                  +7
                  Head of the Department of Internal Affairs of the Karaganda region Mergenbai Zhapparov, Kazakh. Something I don’t remember there at the post of a single Chechen.
                  1. major071
                    major071 21 October 2013 11: 10
                    +5
                    Here you need to look. I have, as they say through trips .. I have a relative there. Lives in Germany, came from Kazakhstan. He’s a Chechen by father, he’s Kazakh by his mother, now he is German by surname and name (they forced him to change there, they were Chechen) .All he says is Kazakh.
                  2. Djozz
                    Djozz 21 October 2013 11: 26
                    +3
                    So, he can only crow, and there at least do not dawn! I agree with you, desa 100%
            4. ed65b
              ed65b 21 October 2013 16: 44
              0
              Quote: Lindon
              Well, Chechens in their second homeland behave respectfully.
              In Chechnya and Ingushetia, if you say that you are from Kazakhstan, they will cover the dastarkhan in any house.
              Relations between Kazakhstan and Chechnya are still preserved. Ramzan Nazarbayev personally awarded the highest order of Chechnya.

              Yeah, and the Kazakhs "" ran along the mountains with the Chechens.
        2. v.lyamkin
          v.lyamkin 22 October 2013 05: 12
          0
          Strange: they brought me to an empty steppe, but someone, by all the laws of hospitality, still accepted. But northern Kazakhstan in those days was really almost empty.
      2. Asan Ata
        Asan Ata 22 October 2013 00: 33
        +1
        Amanzholuly laughing
  • Sour
    Sour 21 October 2013 08: 17
    +8
    I know many who have left Kazakhstan. Among them are not only Russians, but also Ukrainians, Germans, Tatars. Return cases are unknown to me. Many say that there would have been more left if not for expensive housing in Russia. I do not blame the Kazakhs and their power for anything. I do not think that there is a purposeful policy of squeezing out Russians. Kazakhs are generally quite good people. But the situation is that way.
    But here's the curious thing. They talk and write a lot about the oppression of Russians in the Baltic states. However, I personally know only one emigrant from there. And I know much more who left Kazakhstan, Central Asia, Moldova, Kyrgyzstan, Azerbaijan, and even Ukraine. In general, more and more often come across emigrants from the former republics of the USSR, but for some reason not from the Baltic states. There are clearly few of them.
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 21 October 2013 09: 17
      -1
      Who from the EU will go to live in Russia? Only crazy.
      They just get over with an EU passport to another rich EU country.
      Nationality has nothing to do with it; the mentality there is no longer allowed to live in Russian reality with corruption and other delights.
      1. Sour
        Sour 21 October 2013 09: 54
        +6
        Quote: Lindon
        in Russian reality with corruption and other delights.

        You will go to Italy, I recommend. There in all the news on TV the most discussed topics - a) football b) corruption c) show business. It is in that order.
        Greece and Bulgaria, too, have not gone anywhere from them.
        If anything, I'm a little familiar with Europe. Corruption is not a purely Russian problem.
      2. Djozz
        Djozz 21 October 2013 10: 22
        +2
        Well, apparently you have completely finished with corruption in Kazakhstan and other "charms" too, heaven on earth!
        1. Lindon
          Lindon 21 October 2013 10: 25
          -5
          This is not in my post.
          In Russia corruption is widespread, in the EU it will be difficult for you to find corruption in Sweden, Germany, Holland, Norway, Finland.
          1. Djozz
            Djozz 21 October 2013 10: 44
            +1
            So, YOU did not answer my question about corruption and other "delights" in Kazakhstan!
            1. Lindon
              Lindon 21 October 2013 10: 52
              -2
              The scale of corruption in Russia is certainly larger, as is the economy. And if you forget about the difference in the economy, then in Kazakhstan it is a little different. Everywhere has its own specifics - the mentality is different. There is no capital leak in Kazakhstan as in Russia. If everyone takes them abroad, then in Kazakhstan this is not accepted - everything settles right there.
              1. Djozz
                Djozz 21 October 2013 11: 29
                +3
                I do not believe! Stanislavsky.
              2. v.lyamkin
                v.lyamkin 22 October 2013 05: 22
                0
                I envy your deep knowledge: Russia, Sweden, Germany, Holland, Norway, Finland. Yes, probably this is not all the states listed. But the WTO in Kazakhstan is somehow not impressive - are you rarely? Or do not everyone write what you know?
                1. Lindon
                  Lindon 22 October 2013 08: 55
                  +2
                  Quote: v.lyamkin
                  I envy your deep knowledge: Russia, Sweden, Germany, Holland, Norway, Finland. Yes, probably this is not all the states listed. But the WTO in Kazakhstan is somehow not impressive - are you rarely? Or do not everyone write what you know?


                  I understand - to call Russia a corrupt state - is it to spit Russian in the face?
                  What do you want to prove to me? It is not so?
                  You’re right in Russian (in the sense of the character of a Russian person) without telling me about it — otherwise we will correspond here for a long time, but there will be no sense.
      3. smile
        smile 21 October 2013 13: 23
        -2
        Lindon
        In the Baltics, corruption is even worse than ours. It probably tells you something, the fact that in Lithuania, for example, the population has decreased by one third and every fifth of the remaining Lithuanians works as a cleaner, a collector of vegetables, day laborers and other similar prestigious posts in the EU. And do not weave about the mentality - only a psycho or an impudent liar with such aplomb talks on topics in which he does not understand a bit ... Congratulations! :)))
        Your attitude towards the Russians is understandable. Thank you for not hiding your hatred. :)))
        1. Lindon
          Lindon 21 October 2013 13: 35
          -1
          Quote: smile
          Lindon
          In the Baltics, corruption is even worse than ours. It probably tells you something, the fact that in Lithuania, for example, the population has decreased by one third and every fifth of the remaining Lithuanians works as a cleaner, a collector of vegetables, day laborers and other similar prestigious posts in the EU. And do not weave about the mentality - only a psycho or an impudent liar with such aplomb talks on topics in which he does not understand a bit ... Congratulations! :)))
          Your attitude towards the Russians is understandable. Thank you for not hiding your hatred. :)))


          Do not blame me for Russophobia. I have no complaints about the Russians.
          We have many mixed families in Kazakhstan - each of them has relatives - Russians, Ukrainians, Jews, etc. We have blood hospitality and Kazakhs have lived with Russians for almost a thousand years.
          If you think that corruption in the Baltic states is higher than in Russia, this is your right. And the population there has decreased - they left migrant workers to rich EU countries - the benefit of EU membership allows - a single European labor market.
          In Russia, if a Russian from the Caucasus comes to look for work in Moscow, they will tell him lumps come in large numbers.
          1. smile
            smile 21 October 2013 14: 06
            +2
            Lindon
            Your quotes:

            Who from the EU will go to live in Russia? Only crazy ....
            ... in Russian reality with corruption and other delights.

            They clearly confirm your Russophobia - not only that. that this is a lie (here I am inclined to believe that you are not a deliberate liar, but just a narrow-minded person who weaves about what he knows nothing about). you make derogatory statements about "race". I can imagine. how would you howl. if we started to do the same. So. that it is not necessary to dodge, it looks shameful.
            The population in Lithuania declined by a third, to about a little less than three million. Of the remaining over 600 thousand, migrant workers in the EU are like Tajiks with us. What are you reading? Or can you not understand what you read?
            That honest word, you yourself then saw the EU labor market? :))) In the EU, unemployment is higher than in Russia; there are not enough of them there. And in Lithuania, there’s a complete job with work .... Therefore, a Lithuanian labor migrant with zeal can find, no more ... luck if the woman gets a job as a nanny, and the engineer manages to squeeze the Poles and become a plumber - this is the ultimate dream: ))) and don’t worry. the attitude towards the Lithuanians is the same there. The Lithuanian press, arguing why in Britain they treat Lithuanians disdainfully, therefore. what are we doing in a boorish way ... yeah, the bad influence of the invaders on the wonderful Lithuanian mentality affects ... :)))
            About Moscow ... there are no industrial enterprises, why go there? But we never have anyone fired on ethnic grounds. that ours against the backdrop of yours is the standard of internationalism.
            1. Lindon
              Lindon 21 October 2013 14: 37
              0
              Quote: smile
              Lindon
              Your quotes:

              Who from the EU will go to live in Russia? Only crazy ....
              ... in Russian reality with corruption and other delights.

              They clearly confirm your Russophobia - not only that. that this is a lie (here I am inclined to believe that you are not a deliberate liar, but just a narrow-minded person who weaves about what he knows nothing about). you make derogatory statements about "race". I can imagine. how would you howl. if we started to do the same. So. that it is not necessary to dodge, it looks shameful.


              When the arguments end, insults begin.
              If you have read Stalin, then the "rasseyskaya" is taken from him. Stalin specifically used this term to emphasize the backwardness of Russia. Stalin was not a Russophobe like me.
              My use of the term was in the context of high corruption in Russia - you can argue a lot about this, but ROSPIL gave enough examples.
              Take at least the most expensive stadium in the world.
              As you can see, you may be "the most educated". Type in Google Stalin + "scattering" backwardness - increase your education.
              1. smile
                smile 21 October 2013 15: 06
                0
                Lindon
                And for Lenin, the norm was to call someone a "political prostitute." If I call Kazakhstan that way, won't you be offended? :) Or not? :))) That is why I do not allow such statements regarding Kazakhstan. And it doesn't matter to me what Stalin said, an offensive term is an offensive term. By the way. and you treat all the deeds and statements of Stalin with such reverence ... otherwise he talked a lot, especially about the merits of the Russian people ... :)))
                An attempt to cover up his Russophobia and rudeness with Stalin looks pathetic and unconvincing. Doesn’t. Try again.
                As a result, you not only did not apologize for your nationalistic rudeness, but insist on "racial backwardness". I did not expect anything different from a petty and petty Nazi, unworthy of respect. It's amazing you haven't howled about that yet. that I am a chauvinist ... well, or else it will be. :)))
                And I did not insult you, I just stated a fact - you do not know anything about the Baltic States and impudently lie to fill the gaps in knowledge. Insolently, because there are quite a lot of people from there and your lies are too obvious.

                You are free, bye. Good luck in your hard field :)))
                1. Lindon
                  Lindon 21 October 2013 16: 07
                  +1
                  smile
                  And it doesn’t matter to me what smile said, he is also in Africa.
                  1. smile
                    smile 21 October 2013 17: 59
                    -3
                    Lindon
                    Yeah, understandably, there’s nothing to answer, they were blown away. :)))
                    But for me it is important that for some reason your compatriots have strong Russophobian sentiments on this site. I hope that you accidentally gathered here, and the majority of Kazakhs are not Russophobes ... Well, and that you are not ashamed that you are caught in a lie, and you do not apologize when you were caught in rudeness, and are not able to apologize- just trying to dodge, for me there is nothing surprising - the usual behavior of an ordinary petty nationalist is all standard. :)))
        2. Lindon
          Lindon 22 October 2013 08: 51
          +4
          Don’t sculpt me your Russophobia.
          I do not like chauvinists - this is true. I treat Russians well.
          Zadolbal the youngster - do not understand the difference between the Russian nation and the corrupt Russian state? If I love Russians, that doesn’t mean that I should love the Russian oligarchic thief - building the most expensive stadiums.
    2. smile
      smile 21 October 2013 13: 16
      +4
      Sour
      Well, I'm an emigrant from the Baltic states :))) more than half of my classmates left for Russia. All. those who graduated from Lithuania left. And you do not know anyone from there for the simple reason that the Baltic States are simply microscopic. You should not draw conclusions about the number of those who left only on the basis that you saw them a little.
  • Lindon
    Lindon 21 October 2013 08: 21
    -4
    In Russia, the national question is more serious and painful than in Kazakhstan.
    Russia has many national republics where indigenous peoples live.
    In most national republics, the share of Russians ranges from 30 to 50%. The smallest number of Russians is in Ingushetia, Chechnya and Dagestan (less than 5%).

    At the same time, Russia waged a long war in the North Caucasus where separatists squeezed out almost all Russians. Moreover, in Russia itself there is a strong internal migration of non-Russians — Russians to more prosperous Russians — Moscow, Petersburg, etc. To this is added labor migration from the unemployed countries of the CIS - Central Asia, Moldova, the Caucasus, etc.

    Kazakhstan in the national question is more prosperous - first of all, it is necessary to note the ideology of the country's leadership - Nazarbayev is an ardent supporter of preserving the USSR, creating the CU and the Eurasian Union. The country is constantly propagating the Soviet Union's achievements in the friendship of peoples — only if the Russians were the main nation with the USSR, then Kazakhstan was called the state-forming nation in Kazakhstan.
    But no matter how propaganda works, the economic rivals did their job. Mass migration from Kazakhstan began already in the dashing 1988 years - the years of total deficit. The collapse of the USSR was spurred on by departure - from 1992 it began to grow - the peak fell on the 1994 year and the 1999 of the year began to decline and from 2003 turned into the usual migration figures for any country. I give the data in the next post where the main ones leaving Kazakhstan will be indicated !!!
    1. avt
      avt 21 October 2013 13: 33
      +2
      Quote: Lindon
      In Russia, the national question is more serious and painful than in Kazakhstan.
      Russia has many national republics where indigenous peoples live.

      Well, if we take into account the fact that with the separation of the Union republics and the creation of the national states on our basis, over 80% of us cited themselves as Russians, but this word is practically prohibited, only Russians understand. So, the consequences can be very serious in the absence of an adequate domestic policy.
      Quote: Lindon
      Nazarbayev is an ardent supporter of preserving the USSR,

      laughing The legend of the brave warrior who fought for the USSR is still amusing, especially when you know what it was proposed to create in Novo ogarevo, a normal confederation of this kind, also the CIS, but with the name of the USSR and the privatized humpbacked Kremlin, Boriska turned out to be a policeman - he seized the Kremlin cabinet and left only the legend about Asian fighters for the USSR.
      Quote: Lindon
      The country is constantly propagating the Soviet Union's achievements in the friendship of peoples — only if the Russians were the main nation with the USSR, then Kazakhstan was called the state-forming nation in Kazakhstan.

      Yeah, nobody in the USSR was so flattered as the Russians for "great-power chauvinism", even in general, the term was coined, not a nation, but "a community - the Soviet people." Well, now what do we see? It is quite a propaganda of new nationalists, for whom it is already quite natural to see their own "national patriots" and, naturally, "Russian chauvinists." So to poke us that multinational Russia is normal, and it seems so in fact it is, but that those who hold power, that their colleagues in the newly-minted states are afraid as hell of incense that in Russia they would declare the Russians a state-forming nation. Yes, for nothing! This is Empire and chauvinism. But only behind this, in general, the real threat prepared by our probable universal human friends, the real Islamic fascism, is quietly blurred. We are already familiar with it firsthand, but for some reason many in the south believe that this is all nonsense, the same as well as the fact that the Angles launched the same Wahhabism, they say it's not about us, it will carry. Will carry, to bloody diarrhea.
    2. v.lyamkin
      v.lyamkin 22 October 2013 05: 33
      0
      I will not argue about the current grandeur in the national question in Kazakhstan, because I do not know. But I think that a massive role in this was played by the mass departure of Russian-speaking (Russians, Ukrainians, Germans, etc.) in the 90s.
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 21 October 2013 08: 23
    11
    To be honest, as a resident of Kazakhstan, I can say that self-realization is very small, only the lowest business niches are occupied with Russians. Or rather, small business. because a good medium-sized business that consistently brings a good dividend immediately falls under the eyes of any kind of administrative apparatus. Raiding begins, called in the people blackmail and assault. Earthenware arrives and, under the pretext of a roof, offers to add a certain citizen Kairat Mambetov to the list of founders of the company. And then your business will become more solid and without any kind of checks and raids.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 21 October 2013 12: 50
      +7
      I completely agree with you. I also live in Kazakhstan since birth, I am a Belarusian, I have only served in the Russian army for 5 years. Nobody oppresses me here, right now there are more Kazakhs, many Russians and Germans left, and as you know an old friend is better than the new two. Separation goes more on rich and poor than on Russian and Kazakhs.
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 15: 45
      0
      Quote: Scandinavian
      only the lowest business niches are occupied by Russians.

      oh? Call any business sector, from there I will call you a bunch of Russian large entrepreneurs, owners and managers of top companies in Kazakhstan.
  • Lindon
    Lindon 21 October 2013 08: 30
    +2
    1989 957 Germans lived in 518 in KazSSR - today there are 180 832 left - a reduction of 5,3 times !!!
    Belarusians had 182 601 - today 63 694 - a reduction of 2,9 times !!
    Ukrainians were 896 240 - today 313 698 - a reduction of 2,8 times!
    Tatars were 327 982 - today 204 171 - a reduction of 1,6 times.
    Russian was 6 227 549 - today 3 726 722 - a reduction of 1,67 times.
    "The dynamics of the migration movement of the population
    Republic of Kazakhstan (Kazakh SSR) "
    1) years 2) immigrants 3) emigrants 4) balance 5) went to Germany
    1975 299,3 394,8 -95,5
    1980 224,9 295,5 -70,6
    1985 254 355,2 -101,2
    1990 179,9 272,5 -92,6
    1991 170,8 228,5 -57,7
    1992 161,5 317,8 -156,3 114
    1993 111,1 330,1 -219 113
    1994 70,4 477,1 -406,7 121
    1995 71,1 309,6 -238,5 177
    1996 53,9 229,4 -175,5
    1997 38,1 299,5 -261,4
    1998 40,6 243,6 -203
    1999 41,3 164,9 -123,6 28,6
    2000 47,4 155,7 -108,3 24,6
    2001 53,5 141,7 -88,2 25,8
    2002 58,2 120,2 -62 20,6
    2003 65,6 73,9 -8,3 13,7
    2004 68,3 65,5 2,8 10
    2005 74,8 52,1 22,7 5,9
    2006 66,7 33,7 33
    2007 53,4 42,4 11
    2008 46,1 44,8 1,3
    2009 41,5 34 7,5
    2010 42 26,5 15,5
    As you can see, the Germans went to their historical homeland almost 80%, Ukrainians and Belarusians - 60%, Tatars and Russians 50%. All this happened during the dashing years of the collapse of the USSR economy, which continued to zero.
  • nemec55
    nemec55 21 October 2013 08: 30
    +5
    The most unfortunate and shameful part of the genocide is that the Kazakhs, although not on a global scale, were still implicated in the attitude towards the Russian-speaking population. I lived in the KZ until the age of 16 and now I often find it there, the attitude is certainly much better now and the youth who were in the 90s extremely aggressive then attuned to the Russian-speaking being now grown up and now able to soberly assess past life, the Russian-speaking population is quite warm and friendly, which cannot be said about today's youth.
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 21 October 2013 09: 17
      +3
      By the way, in Omsk a lot of Kazakhs live the coolest I meet familiar Kazakhs who moved to Russia even earlier than me laughing . Many Kazakhs say that we in Omsk live on their land, supposedly keep quiet laughing
      1. Asan Ata
        Asan Ata 22 October 2013 00: 43
        +3
        Well, yes, Omsk is a native Russian land. Do not make me laugh. A significant part of my family lives in the Omsk region since the time of the antediluvian.
    2. Lindon
      Lindon 21 October 2013 09: 55
      -1
      German Kazakhs accuses genocide ... wow ...
      Reminds Germany’s claims to Russia after Biryulyovo.
      Hitler and K in the Kazakhs write more with concentration camps and sonderkommandy.
      The Russians know very well who helped them stop the real genocide in Europe.
      I understand in the USSR and in the Kazakh SSR we called you fascists at school — but it was propaganda — every week films about the war were played.
      It was hard for the Germans to live in the USSR.
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      2. nemec55
        nemec55 21 October 2013 12: 18
        -1
        No, I didn’t accuse him saying as is. You immediately poke fascism at the sight of a German is normal and when people are massively rowing out of the country it’s normal, while giving all the strength and health on the land with which I then had to leave. I don’t want to wash clothes, I say that it was wrong..
        1. Lindon
          Lindon 21 October 2013 12: 37
          +3
          Germany itself took the Germans. No one with a machine gun drove them to stand in lines at the German embassy. They sold everything - they had a passport and dollars on their hands, and that was it. 5000 rubles still wooden per bunk at the embassy + loaf of bread.
          Then a small part of the Germans returned to Kazakhstan - the old people could not learn the language and adopt a new mentality. Today in Kazakhstan from 957 518 Germans - today there are 180 832 left !!!
          Germany has launched a new project - "a new homeland in Kazakhstan". It is more profitable for Berlin to support the diaspora in Kazakhstan than to take them to Germany so that they live on welfare. And in Kazakhstan there is always work for the Germans !!!
          Google German newspapers and theaters in Kazakhstan.
          1. nemec55
            nemec55 21 October 2013 14: 04
            -1
            You know, there is work for sure, and there are different people, and you can come to some with tea and a glass of tea, while others, like our director of the state farm, were nationalist and he forbade his son from playing with me so he draped into quiet things and even asked me to seize lard. So the sea itself I know, but that's just what they are waiting for us there (to plow)
        2. hrych
          hrych 21 October 2013 13: 36
          +2
          Communism is also a German idea, although Engels must be checked for circumcision.
          1. Lindon
            Lindon 21 October 2013 13: 54
            +2
            Have you checked Christ yet?
            They say that the Jew was also.
            1. hrych
              hrych 21 October 2013 14: 27
              +3
              Caution, Allah will punish.
  • Sour
    Sour 21 October 2013 08: 31
    +3
    Quote: Lindon
    In most national republics, the proportion of Russians ranges from 30 to 50%.

    This is not entirely true. In Adygea there are Adygs 26%, in Karelia only 9% of Karelians, in Buryatia less than a third of the Buryats, in the Komi Republic "titular" 23%, in Mordovia 40%, in Udmurtia 28%, in Khakassia 12% and so on.
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 21 October 2013 08: 54
      0
      This is a quote from the wiki - is there a fix?
      1. Sour
        Sour 21 October 2013 10: 07
        +1
        Who cares? At least from Wiki, at least from not from Wiki.
        There is a book "Results of the All-Russian Population Census", Moscow, 2011. Buy and read. The numbers are the same. Or fix it?
        1. Lindon
          Lindon 21 October 2013 10: 35
          +1
          Everyone has the right to their source.
          Wiki can be fixed - yours is unlikely.
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 21 October 2013 08: 41
    +6
    from the Don.
    I have nothing against the Kazakhs. But I have a friend who left there. What moved me? The title of the Kazakhs, hopelessness for children. And what will happen after Nazarbayev left? And this uncertainty. But there is no holy place! The Chinese will take the place of Russians!
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 21 October 2013 08: 59
      0
      Yes, the Germans left here - so hard-working, but what to do?
      The USSR opened the borders, allowed migration - the people and threw - the Germans to Germany, the Jews to Israel (or the USA, Germany), the Greeks to Greece, the Ukrainians to Ukraine, the Belarusians to Belarus, the Russians to Russia, etc.
      Kazakhstan in 1988-2000 is not the sweetest place for the life and future of children !!!
      There was no Moscow level here - life began to improve when oil rose above 30 dollars. In Kazakhstan, apart from the mines, there was nothing special - not televisions, diesel locomotives, wagons, helicopters - not even toilet paper.
      1. 225chay
        225chay 21 October 2013 10: 36
        +4
        Quote: Lindon
        There was no Moscow level here - life began to improve when oil rose above 30 dollars. In Kazakhstan, apart from the mines, there was nothing special - not televisions, diesel locomotives, wagons, helicopters - not even toilet paper.

        I don’t know how now, but in Soviet times when I was still serving urgent
        In the north-east of Kazakhstan, at least Pavlodar:
        -powerful tractor factory (PTZ);
        aluminum plant;
        chemical factory;
        -Oil refinery with an installed capacity of 6 million tons;
        fish factory;
        -multiple CHPPs (electric power production is good due to open-pit coal mining)
        Well, the little things a bunch of all kinds of factories and a huge number of construction projects - construction projects of the internationalists of the entire USSR))
        Is there really nothing?
        1. Igor39
          Igor39 21 October 2013 16: 29
          +2
          The tractor plant has long stood up, on its base an enterprise has been established for the production of pipes and rolled products, about two thousand people work (25 thousand worked on the tractor), the aluminum works, the state's share I do not remember what it is, the average salary. about 15 thousand in rubles. The chemical plant also partially works. The oil refinery works. There is no fish factory. I don’t know what is at its base now. The CHP is in private hands or corporations (with little government involvement) Of the three concrete products, one seems to work a little. electrolysis plant in 2009. Now private traders are building everything, different plants and enterprises.
        2. v.lyamkin
          v.lyamkin 22 October 2013 05: 57
          -3
          I support, Lindon has some one-sided knowledge of Kazakhstan, I repeat - probably rarely happens. He would be nice to know, not only about the industry of Pavlodar, but also eastern Kazakhstan - Ust-Kamenogorsk (titanium-magnesium, lead-zinc plants).
          1. Lindon
            Lindon 22 October 2013 08: 59
            +3
            Quote: v.lyamkin
            I support, Lindon has some one-sided knowledge of Kazakhstan


            Don’t be offended - that guy only served in Pavlodar and described what he knows. But I wrote for the whole of Kazakhstan.
            In my post there was a thesis that in Kazakhstan there was no assembly of diesel locomotives, helicopters, etc. And this one writes to me that in Pavlodar everything was in bulk.
            In Moscow, too, there is a lot of fucking, but all of Russia is not Moscow unfortunately.
            I will take your assessment of my knowledge to your carelessness.
    2. Alibekulu
      21 October 2013 11: 19
      +2
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      from Don. I have nothing against the Kazakhs. BUT. There is a friend who left there. What moved you?
      Kostanaidan. good "Tobyl-champion"
      1st: the Russians had a place to run. Kazakhs would also have fled to Russia (central), but the status of a Russian who moved from Kazakhstan and a Kazakh is incomparable. Yes, Russian Kazakhs were called "Kazakhs", but nevertheless they could "merge" with the local population. And the Kazakh who arrived automatically became a "lump" or "Chukmek".
      2nd; the Russians had someone to run to. As a rule, they had relatives or friends in the Russian Federation, i.e. they were not driving to an empty place. The Kazakhs did not have such an advantage, acre of border regions, which for the Kazakhs "their own land".
      3 the Russians had something to run to. Russians in Kazakhstan in Soviet times, and even now constituted a stable middle class. Actually in Soviet Kazakhstan, they were in a privileged position.
      In the crisis of the 90s, the "flight of the Kazakhs" somehow passed unnoticed, but they fled, for the most part, from the dying aul (village) to the cities. In our village, they told such a case. The parents brought their daughter from Turgai to their place. She had stomach problems. Then, in Turgay, they ate only meat, banally there was no other food. And the body, unaccustomed to only meat food, just stopped taking it. I had to urgently take her out of there and already at home solder and feed her with her usual food.
      Further. From the hopelessness of 90's, Kazakhs also fled to Russia, but the Russians do not notice this ... fool Kazakhs, as a rule, emigrated to the regions of Russia bordering on Kazakhstan, which they did not perceive as foreign lands. And, since there many of them had relatives and friends. The flow of Kazakh immigrants was so large that in the Omsk region sentiments against "come in large numbers" began to grow among Russians. During the elections in one of the cities of Omsk, one candidate for mayor pedaled this in his election campaign. And he was elected under the slogan "against come in large numbers."
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 21 October 2013 12: 15
        +3
        Quote: Alibekulu
        "Tobyl-champion"

        Salem, Alibekuly
        Toby has long forgotten how to play normally)))))
        1. Alibekulu
          21 October 2013 14: 08
          +2
          Quote: Essenger
          Salem, Alibekuly Tobil has long forgotten how to play normally)))))
          Shalom hi Essenger ...
          So just the vector of football policy has changed dramatically. And this could not but affect ..
          Now the focus is on local personnel. Which I think is absolutely correct. It is much better that the "guys from the local yard" play and / or train. This is also an incentive for children: "Vaughn Sanka with KSK, Kazbek play with KZhBI and you can do it." The head coach of Kostanay is Malyshev.
          We will endure "our shot" after all, not an alien Varangian. And, so you could easily "buy" your Lyubko Petrovich. UEFA Champions Cup, once took .. "Taraz" last year raised.
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 12: 25
        0
        Quote: Alibekulu
        During the elections in one of the cities of Omsk, one candidate for mayor pedaled this in his election campaign. And he was elected under the slogan "against come in large numbers."

        Yes, in general, the city administration in Omsk has to a large extent always consisted of ex-Kazakhstanis))) Including the governor Polezhaev himself, who for a long time led the North Kazakhstan region))) So the candidate was aiming not only as "guest workers", but also to the then administration. True, Polezhaev and other Omsk officials moved there back in Soviet times, and most often by distribution. But nevertheless, our fellow countrymen)
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  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 21 October 2013 08: 45
    +7
    Recently, news came from Alma-Ata. The niece is getting married. For a Kazakh. One of the nephews, though second cousins, is married to a Kazakh woman. My niece also graduated from the Kazakh department. In Russian, by the way, places were occupied by persons of "indigenous" nationality. Even in Soviet times, there were quotas of places for education for persons of indigenous nationality that non-Kazakhs could not occupy. Life flows.
    The main reason for Russians to leave Kazakhstan is the uncertainty for the future of their children. So to speak "creeping nationalism". And it is in the power. You can fight the "household" nationalists.
    I think that half of those who left would have remained if Russian was the second state language. "The language of interethnic communication" does not give guarantees.
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 21 October 2013 09: 03
      +1
      In Kazakhstan there was a "melting pot" created by Stalin there are more than 130 nationalities !!! Mixed marriages in Kazakhstan have always been prohibitive since the days of the USSR. During Soviet times, children from such marriages were called "36mi" - after the name of a popular brand of tea in the USSR, a mixture of Indian and Georgian.
      At 80, 36 already accounted for up to 30% of all children. Now this trend continues - mixed marriages here have long been the norm.
  • zol
    zol 21 October 2013 08: 52
    +3
    Quote: Scandinavian
    To be honest, as a resident of Kazakhstan, I can say that self-realization is very small, only the lowest business niches are occupied with Russians. Or rather, small business. because a good medium-sized business that consistently brings a good dividend immediately falls under the eyes of any kind of administrative apparatus. Raiding begins, called in the people blackmail and assault. Earthenware arrives and, under the pretext of a roof, offers to add a certain citizen Kairat Mambetov to the list of founders of the company. And then your business will become more solid and without any kind of checks and raids.


    This applies not only to the Russians, but also to the Kazakhs, here nationality does not matter, the agashki don’t care who to protect, here, as they say, “only business is nothing personal”. These are the grimaces of capitalism, lately, many compatriots from the former USSR have had an epiphany on this issue, it’s a bit too late.
    And migration is mainly connected with the fact that people are simply looking for where it is better, Russians just have a place to go in this matter. And where to go to the indigenous?
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 21 October 2013 08: 58
    +1
    We have been working with a guy from Kazakhstan for 8 years, and received a Russian passport only last year. Mess
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 21 October 2013 09: 05
      0
      But half of Kyrgyzstan has Russian passports.
      This is corruption - the Russians do not pay because they should be given a passport, the Kyrgyz pay and they are given without problems.
    2. Sour
      Sour 21 October 2013 09: 59
      +2
      To work, study or do business in Russia, Russian citizenship is not very necessary. It is needed for the civil service, for promotion to deputies, etc. .. In fact, the problem for the repatriation of Russians is the high cost of housing, and not citizenship. In Russia, if there is housing, you can do without citizenship. Moreover, they will give it sooner or later.
      But if you do not have housing in Russia, then citizenship will not help here.
  • Igor 3456
    Igor 3456 21 October 2013 09: 09
    +2
    I was born and live in Central Kazakhstan, I work in construction. More than half of the directors of construction companies of a non-titular nationality are Russians, Armenians, Moldavians, Ukrainians, Germans, Jews, Koreans, etc. Who said that there is no way for self-realization? And I still don’t know the Kazakh language, which is very bad, since I decided for myself a long time ago what to learn. And look carefully at the migration data - the number of emigrants has decreased by more than 10 times, which says a lot.
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 21 October 2013 09: 34
    +3
    Quote: zol
    This applies not only to Russians, but also to Kazakhs, here nationality does not matter,

    I did not begin to write more extensively and give more examples where nationalism is manifested. BUT I want to say that when you see a European person, or rather a Slavic person, the desire to profit from someone else’s good only increases and this can only be explained by the fact that we are many and you live with us. Big brother is far away. About people from the southern regions in Kazakhstan, a separate speech. They breed their Kazakh brothers and throw them, and the Rusaks are even more so. In general, wild morals and the Stone Age are still in the southern regions. To civilization like to the moon. But the fact that there is uncertainty ahead in the future for me and my children is a fact.
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 21 October 2013 09: 42
      0
      Quote: Scandinavian
      Quote: zol
      This applies not only to Russians, but also to Kazakhs, here nationality does not matter,

      I did not begin to write more extensively and give more examples where nationalism is manifested.


      What is called nationalism is when there are parties of skinheads, raids on chocks and black-assed are arranged - this is nationalism.
      And what you call is everyday nationalism. Neighbor - there is no neighbor, no, no, yes, he will oppress him because he is a different nation. This is everywhere and in the USSR was commonplace.
    2. Semurg
      Semurg 21 October 2013 10: 14
      +1
      Quote: Scandinavian
      Quote: zol
      This applies not only to Russians, but also to Kazakhs, here nationality does not matter,

      I did not begin to write more extensively and give more examples where nationalism is manifested. BUT I want to say that when you see a European person, or rather a Slavic person, the desire to profit from someone else’s good only increases and this can only be explained by the fact that we are many and you live with us. Big brother is far away. About people from the southern regions in Kazakhstan, a separate speech. They breed their Kazakh brothers and throw them, and the Rusaks are even more so. In general, wild morals and the Stone Age are still in the southern regions. To civilization like to the moon. But the fact that there is uncertainty ahead in the future for me and my children is a fact.

      what is most interesting on the next branch on awarding our akim with the Order of Russia, there are only 5 comments and here where you need to get Kazakhstan 70 comments. By the way, our akim is southerner and this did not prevent our local Russians from going out with a request for rewarding to the Russian embassy, ​​this is to the fact that in the south "Sapsem bad."
      1. Lindon
        Lindon 21 October 2013 10: 17
        +1
        As a sculpture in Gdansk, it’s not a pity to water it with govon.
        As the memorial to the heroes of the Second World War in Kazakhstan was erected, so thank you won’t be questioned.
        1. hrych
          hrych 21 October 2013 13: 43
          +4
          Those. Monument to the heroes of the Second World War, Kazakh favor to Russians?
          1. Lindon
            Lindon 21 October 2013 13: 51
            0
            Well, what am I talking about?
            Russian and so everyone should.
            What thanks - forget it.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 22 October 2013 01: 20
              -3
              Quote: Lindon
              Well, what am I talking about?
              Russian and so everyone should.
              What thanks - forget it.

              Do you think that the Second World War - the Great Patriotic War 1941-45 is not your war. This is not a question but a statement.
              1. Lindon
                Lindon 22 October 2013 09: 03
                +1
                Quote: Setrac

                Do you think that the Second World War - the Great Patriotic War 1941-45 is not your war. This is not a question but a statement.


                Russians do not ascribe words to a person if he did not say this.
                By taking part in the Great Patriotic War I am proud of my country and countrymen.
                The message was to the participants of such sites - here some argue that the Russians saved the Kazakhs from the Nazis. It was to such users that it was addressed.
                I don’t want to be misunderstood or interpreted.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 22 October 2013 15: 39
                  -2
                  Quote: Lindon
                  As the memorial to the heroes of the Second World War in Kazakhstan was erected, so thank you won’t be questioned.

                  Your words. Attention question, thank you for what? For a monument to the heroes of the war, including the Kazakhs, or for the participation of Kazakhstan in the war?
  • reality
    reality 21 October 2013 09: 46
    +8
    Such a strong impression that the author understands by all Kazakhstan only Almaty. It’s just that the article describes exactly the Almaty realities. In reality, in all regions of Kazakhstan there is a different situation with migration and interethnic relations.
    The Russians who settled in Kazakhstan, by and large, are happy with everything, and everywhere a compromise can be reached. There is only one thing that scares people - possible radicalization after Nazarbayev's inevitable departure. Among the Kazakh elites, there are enough of those who are ready to play this card, and enough of the poor population to implement all this, and there are enough international players who are ready to "help".
    1. T80UM1
      T80UM1 22 October 2013 12: 23
      +1
      Not really about Almaty! Here is Taraz or Shymkent it is ...
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 21 October 2013 09: 47
    +3
    Quote: Lindon
    What is called nationalism is when there are parties of skinheads, raids on chocks and black-assed are arranged - this is nationalism.
    And what you call is everyday nationalism. Neighbor - there is no neighbor, no, no, yes, he will oppress him because he is a different nation.

    It doesn’t matter which adjective the word nationalism faces. Household or neighborly. Large or small. Fact.
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 21 October 2013 10: 11
      0
      You are an idealist. Don't discriminate against anyone? by gender, age, religious grounds? Just do not lie - start with yourself.
      Domestic nationalism exists beautifully in thin. literature and cinema of modern Russia - you just don’t notice it - even watching the news on TV.
      1. Sour
        Sour 21 October 2013 10: 39
        +1
        Quote: Lindon
        What is called nationalism is when there are parties of skinheads, raids on chocks and black-assed are arranged - this is nationalism.

        Nevertheless, despite such atrocious mass Nazism, there is no outflow of non-Russian population from Russia. Everything is very much the other way around.
        Everything is fine with you, of course. No skinheads. Tolerance and benevolence. Only for some reason "non-title" ones scatter in all directions.
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 21 October 2013 11: 28
          +3
          They "scattered" in the 90s from the total lack of money and unemployment. After the collapse of the USSR, Kazakhstan was in an even bigger ass than Russia or Uzbekistan. There was no work, no money, people were looking for any opportunity to leave. And they left. Almost fifteen years ago, the situation in the economy began to gradually stabilize and improve. The outflow of the population fell sharply, but more people came to KZ. As a result, the demographic figures were corrected even in comparison with the best years of the Kazakh SSR. And the birth rate is growing, and the migration balance is not bad.
          By the way, hell knows where the author dug up the figure that from Kazakhstan only Muslims left as much as 2,5 million people. These are generally "international" organizations. We have so many Russian-speaking people left over the years of independence.
          In general, a long time ago, the number of people leaving the KZ in the Russian Federation was almost equal to the number of people leaving the RF in the KZ. If, on the basis of those who left Kazakhstan, a stupid conclusion is made that Russians are oppressed in the KZ, then how can we explain the mass migration from Russia to Kazakhstan?
          And here is just the news:

          October 12 2013
          Chairman of the Agency for Statistics Alikhan Smailov:
          "Following the results of 8 months, the number of people leaving Kazakhstan has decreased by almost 18 percent (compared to last year - Author's note) and amounted to 15 people" ...
          He also added that the number of immigrants decreased by 30 percent and amounted to 14 101 people.
          "This is due to the fact that we have suspended the issuance of quotas for oralmans. During the period of gaining independence, about 1,5 million people entered the country, of which about 700 thousand are Kazakhs ", - the head of department noted.

          A strange nationalist state. Of the 1,5 million immigrants, most are not ethnic Kazakhs.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 21 October 2013 10: 02
    +3
    We, here in the former Estland province / ESSR, are completely slurping all this. The title hate us and squeeze us in every way state with the motto "plats puhtaks" (we will clear the area).
    BUT!
    And in Russia, to put it mildly, they are not waiting for us ...
    And here, in Estonia, there are also the graves of parents, and children / grandchildren, and housing.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 21 October 2013 10: 13
      +1
      Quote: Peaceful military
      The title ones hate us and squeeze us out in every possible way under the state motto "plats puhtaks" (let's clear the site).

      So welcome to Russia.
  • Sars
    Sars 21 October 2013 10: 08
    +4
    I want to say about the Russian bureaucracy.
    All those who moved to Russia received only pleasure from communicating with the faces of the FMS.
    It would be great if the authorities dropped on the subject of assistance to immigrants.
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 21 October 2013 10: 19
      +2
      It is necessary, like the Kirghiz, to shove money and even without knowing a word in Russian, to have a Russian passport. The FMS loves such people, but when a Russian arrives, they will say "hicks have come in large numbers" (hinting that you don’t give money).
  • shim
    shim 21 October 2013 10: 18
    +2
    Good morning, you can stipulate anything and blame anyone, but the common people have nothing to do with it (I mean the Kazakhs themselves), the main problem of the people of Kazakhstan, and in particular the Kazakhs, is not in the Russians, but because they themselves are fragmented, There are 3 zhuzes, both urban and aul, as well as Kazakh-speaking and Russian-speaking, and this confrontation is breaking out on us (on Russians), I certainly don’t understand why the authorities went about the aul, probably thinks that this is the most dangerous part of the population (and In this they are right, more than 80% of the population of the aul lives below the poverty line, and naturally they are not happy with the state of things), and therefore the government implements Kazakh-speaking, slowly but surely, and lies when it says that Kazakh does not interfere with Russian, but where one Kazakh-speaking space expands , then another Russian-language is invariably declining. But according to statistics, it is not worth believing that the number of both Russians and Kazakhs is decreasing, and there are more Kazakhs in cities, but they go there from villages, and villages die, and Russian Russians occupied their own niche in this, Russians are engineers, accountants and middle managers, and the Kazakh is the director, the brother of this director is his deputy, well, simple hard workers.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 21 October 2013 10: 25
    +2
    Quote: Essenger
    Quote: Peaceful military
    The title ones hate us and squeeze us out in every possible way under the state motto "plats puhtaks" (let's clear the site).

    So welcome to Russia.

    You probably have not read my comment, where I said
    And in Russia, to put it mildly, they are not waiting for us ...
    And here, in Estonia, there are also the graves of parents, and children / grandchildren, and housing.
    hi
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 21 October 2013 10: 41
      +2
      peaceful military
      why don't they wait? like there is some kind of program there for the resettlement of Russians in Russia
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 21 October 2013 10: 45
        +2
        Quote: Essenger
        like there is some kind of program for the resettlement of Russians in Russia



        To take advantage of this ...., it is necessary that it is very specifically pressed.
        1. Lindon
          Lindon 21 October 2013 12: 21
          +1
          How did the Germans take Germany away?
          Or how the Jews who were taken by Israel, Germany and the United States.
          I must honestly admit that since Russia belongs to the Russians living in the CIS, so no country is related anymore.
          The Kazakhstan program works much better. A significant number of Kazakh families from abroad returned to their homeland in Kazakhstan - the rampart was so large that the state even suspended the program.
          And the Russian - they want to bring 5 million Russians from the CIS per 3,7mln from Kazakhstan, and 20 thousand comes !!!!
          This is a complete failure.
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 21 October 2013 13: 32
            +1
            Quote: Lindon
            How did the Germans take Germany away?
            Or how the Jews who were taken by Israel, Germany and the United States.
            I must honestly admit that since Russia belongs to the Russians living in the CIS, so no country is related anymore.
            The Kazakhstan program works much better. A significant number of Kazakh families from abroad returned to their homeland in Kazakhstan - the rampart was so large that the state even suspended the program.
            And the Russian - they want to bring 5 million Russians from the CIS per 3,7mln from Kazakhstan, and 20 thousand comes !!!!
            This is a complete failure.

            Alas!
            But our titles have surpassed Russia here, announcing "Estonians from abroad (correct), all to the Motherland with their own means." In Canada, the USA, Australia and Sweden there were about 100 thousand of them at that time.They tried, but they were told that we were waiting not for how much you, but how much your money, besides, you must renounce your citizenship, which would be a loss for pensioners good pension ... This time.
            And two. In Russia, Kazakhstan and Abkhazia, there are also about 30 thousand Estonians. They were told that they were not Estonians and there was nothing for them to do here.
      2. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 21 October 2013 10: 46
        +3
        Quote: Essenger
        peaceful military
        why don't they wait? like there is some kind of program there for the resettlement of Russians in Russia

        Exactly sort of.
        And again, you have not read my comment, which says
        And here, in Estonia, there are also the graves of parents, and children / grandchildren, and housing.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 21 October 2013 11: 05
          -1
          Quote: Peaceful military
          Quote: Essenger
          peaceful military
          why don't they wait? like there is some kind of program there for the resettlement of Russians in Russia

          Exactly sort of.
          And again, you have not read my comment, which says
          And here, in Estonia, there are also the graves of parents, and children / grandchildren, and housing.

          Do you have the status of an Estonian citizen? if you live, participate in elections and through your deputies get your way, if not, fulfill the requirements and get citizenship. Estonia is almost Europe why go to Russia? my classmate left for Kaliningrad to the question that he said so far that this is Europe and not "race" and over time they will become a part of it.
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 21 October 2013 11: 44
            +1
            Sagat!
            I do not need the advice of outsiders, especially fans of Europe. hi
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 21 October 2013 12: 05
              +1
              Andrei. What Europe does not like. Many of the things in their lives would not be bad for us to adopt, of course, now it will begin about blue and so on, but I'm not talking about that. : wink
              1. Peaceful military
                Peaceful military 21 October 2013 13: 36
                0
                Quote: Semurg
                Andrei. What Europe does not like. Many of the things in their lives would not be bad for us to adopt, of course, now it will begin about blue and so on, but I'm not talking about that. : wink

                To adopt, does not mean to treat the geyrop with reverence. I lived in Sweden, I know what I'm talking about.
            2. Essenger
              Essenger 21 October 2013 12: 12
              0
              peaceful military
              kas sa oskad eesti keelt?
              1. Peaceful military
                Peaceful military 21 October 2013 13: 16