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Airborne gunners learn to use high-precision artillery ammunition

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Airborne gunners learn to use high-precision artillery ammunitionIn the 2013 school year, special attention during tactical exercises with artillery units and subunits of the Airborne Forces (VDV) was given to improving the skills to perform fire missions using the guided artillery shells (Kitas-2).


Col. Alexei Yakovlevich Kostritsa, head of the missile forces and artillery of the Airborne Forces, speaking about the organization of artillery training in the 2013 school year, said: shells from self-propelled guns “Nona-S” and direct fire from self-propelled antitank guns “Sprut-SD”, as well as anti-tank guided missiles “Fagot”, “Konkurs” and “Kornet”.

Practically, the gunners performed 7 fire missions, having spent 10 UAS "Kitol-2". The use of these projectiles reduces the execution time of fire missions to destroy individual small-sized targets several times. At the same time, ammunition consumption is reduced tenfold, which is especially important for paratroopers when conducting combat operations in the rear of the enemy.

For this year, the artillery paratroopers conducted around 60 mooring and 11 airborne artillery combat vehicles, including samples intended for firing high-precision ammunition.
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  1. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 19 October 2013 12: 17
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    It is pleasant to read for the neighbors brothers, there are trainings and exercises. soldier

    And in Ukraine we already have an army without 5 minutes of professional wassat drinks
    1. Mitek
      Mitek 19 October 2013 14: 44
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      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      It is pleasant to read for the neighbors brothers, there are trainings and exercises. soldier

      And in Ukraine we already have an army without 5 minutes of professional wassat drinks

      Nothing, my friend, we will be as before a single country! I believe no matter what !!!
    2. major071
      major071 19 October 2013 15: 32
      +7
      Well, for the friendship of the Russian Airborne Forces and without 5 minutes of professionals from Ukraine (without sarcasm) drinks
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 20 October 2013 13: 16
      +1
      yeah! we have already shot 10 UAS !!! tin !!! Hooray! Hooray! Hooray! these are the teachings!
  2. avt
    avt 19 October 2013 12: 24
    +7
    good To drive according to the precepts of Uncle Vasya also in gas masks. smile And so on ,, Shells “BMD-4, under the cover of ,, Octopus”.
  3. AVV
    AVV 19 October 2013 12: 36
    +4
    Learn to win !!! For the Airborne Forces, this is especially true !!!
  4. Lopatov
    Lopatov 19 October 2013 13: 00
    +3
    This academic year, during tactical exercises, special attention was paid to training artillerymen to defeat individual targets, including armored ones, using guided artillery shells

    I wonder how it was done? Did you drive several available 1В119-1 across all ranges? Or "horse riding"?
    1. bask
      bask 19 October 2013 13: 28
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      Quote: Spade
      Drove several available 1V119-1 in all ranges?

      Fighting vehicle 1V119 "Rheostat" - reconnaissance and fire control point of the battery SAU2S9 "Nona-S".
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 19 October 2013 13: 36
        +4
        Not really. This is a single machine. It is used in all art. Airborne divisions, including howitzer and jet, because there are no others. It is used as the vehicles of the senior battery officer (at the firing position), the chief of staff of the division, the division commander and the battery commander.
        1. Victor
          Victor 19 October 2013 19: 04
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          This is a single machine. It is used in all art. Airborne divisions, including howitzer and jet, because there are no others. It is used as the vehicles of the senior battery officer (at the firing position), the chief of staff of the division, the division commander and the battery commander.

          And also in reconnaissance companies of the RAP and a separate reconnaissance of the VDD.
  5. Serebryakov. 75
    Serebryakov. 75 19 October 2013 13: 33
    +3
    good Learning, mastering the new, but it would not be bad to hear about such teachings more often !!!
  6. kafa
    kafa 19 October 2013 14: 05
    +2
    good news laughing more powerful precision weapons, more study - fewer battles soldier
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 20 October 2013 13: 22
      +1
      this is so pleasing in the light of the article: "NOTHING IS DONE TO IMPROVE the aerospace defense" ... doesn't it seem to the "urapatriots" gentlemen that in such a state of the aerospace defense, no UAS may be needed? fool
  7. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 19 October 2013 14: 35
    +2
    This is more or less like a new level of artillery. Although "Competition" and "Fagot" are from the last century. The artillery of the Airborne Forces has always been distinguished by its high level of training. It is good that new equipment and weapons are being supplied. It is good that the intensity of training is maintained. Glad for our landing! yes
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 October 2013 16: 15
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      There is a small inaccuracy. The Airborne Forces have never been armed with "Competitions". Only "Bassoons" and "Robots".



      In fact, there is a lot of confusion. There are only two missiles, 9M111 and 9M113. Both missiles can be fired by a portable system, the "Fagot" itself. But at the 113th, the maximum firing range is somewhat reduced. Roughly, there are not enough batteries.

      At the Airborne Forces, these missiles are fired by "Robot", BMD-2 and BMD-3. From all machines "Bassoons" can be removed and used from a remote control.

      Replacement of "Bassoon" by "Cornet" is really long overdue. However, for training purposes, there is no particular difference between them, but in the warehouses there is a huge amount of 9M111 and 9M113 with "burning" shelf life, which they even manage to "utilize" by blasting.
      1. Victor
        Victor 19 October 2013 18: 03
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        Quote: Spade
        There is a small inaccuracy. The Airborne Forces have never been armed with "Competitions". Only "Bassoons" and "Robots".

        Dear, you have a small inaccuracy. In the arsenal of the airborne artillery there were always two missiles, namely missiles, rather than 9K113 complex: 9M111 "Fagot" and 9M113 "Competition"... Both missiles were launched from the same 9P135 and 9P135M portable launcher. "Robot" is a specialized armored personnel carrier-D, with a special ammunition rack and two launchers 9P135, one of which is deployed on the ground, and the second is attached to the armor of the "Robot".
        ATGM "Competition" was developed on the basis of ATGM "Gaboy", which in turn had maximum unification with ATGM "Fagot". Learn materiel and sometimes remember that there are airborne artillerymen on the site.
        PS Yes, and one more thing, "The competition always worked further than the" Fagot ", firstly in terms of performance characteristics (4 km), and secondly, it was powered from the on-board network of the" Robot ", while the" Fagot "was working from the ground ( 2,5 km) from an external battery.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 19 October 2013 18: 05
          -2
          Dear, 111 and 113 missiles do not have their own separate names.

          Learn materiel and sometimes remember that there are airborne gunners on the site.

          What battery are you from? Second one? Fourth? Eighth? Ninth?
          1. Victor
            Victor 19 October 2013 18: 17
            +3
            I ended up serving as the commander of the SADN airborne assault regiment. And in the RAP, let’s you know only three SABs and one PTbatr. But there is also an art regiment in the VDD. What do you yourself have to do with airborne artillery?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 19 October 2013 18: 27
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              Actually, I asked about your bursa. And he called the batteries of the Kolomna Artillery, which produced artillerymen of the Airborne Forces.
              1. Victor
                Victor 19 October 2013 18: 35
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                8 battery, 1986 of release.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 19 October 2013 18: 43
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                  And I'm with the third. And you will tell me about the "Konkurs rocket"?
                  1. Victor
                    Victor 19 October 2013 19: 00
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                    Quote: Spade
                    And I'm with the third. And you will tell me about the "Konkurs rocket"?

                    What year release? Captain Skvortsov’s battery?
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 19 October 2013 19: 03
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                      Kashchuk D.E. I took the Russian oath.
  8. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 19 October 2013 14: 52
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    Troopers learn and this is the main thing.! The most efficient and mobile troops of Uncle Vasya! He put his life into the Airborne Forces ..! I hope the guys will professionally apply all the knowledge and skills gained in case of anything .. (I think soon you will have to apply all the skills and abilities for the good of the Fatherland!) As Suvorov said, "It's hard to learn, easy to fight"! To complete the task without loss and most importantly!
  9. Wooden jo
    Wooden jo 19 October 2013 17: 04
    +2
    10 adjustable shells? For all the exercises?
  10. aud13
    aud13 19 October 2013 17: 12
    +2
    Quote: Spade
    Replacement of "Bassoon" by "Cornet" is really long overdue. However, for training purposes, there is no particular difference between them, but in the warehouses there is a huge amount of 9M111 and 9M113 with "burning" shelf life, which they even manage to "utilize" by blasting.

    Dispose of it as a tin ...
    It would be better if they donated Bashar al-Assad free of charge, he would have disposed of them better.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 October 2013 17: 29
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      Quote: aud13
      Dispose of it as a tin ...

      The tiniest thing is that people die in this.
    2. Victor
      Victor 19 October 2013 18: 27
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      Before disposal, ATGMs are checked by special instrumentation for operability of control circuits. Those that do not pass the test are destroyed by the blasting method, which are suitable, go to live shooting.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 19 October 2013 18: 33
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        Quote: Victor
        Before disposal, ATGMs are checked by special instrumentation for operability of control circuits.

        And for tightness. But not before disposal. And during the scheduled maintenance. And before the shooting. If there is a car with a CPA.
        1. Victor
          Victor 19 October 2013 18: 42
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          Quote: Spade
          And during the scheduled maintenance. And before the shooting. If there is a car with a CPA.

          This is natural, you are right, but in this case the question was about disposal.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 19 October 2013 18: 48
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            The question is that they lied in warehouses before disposal. While 12 missiles are allocated to an ATGM battery in a year, and the infantry never shot from their own.

            By the way, before they were dismantled at the bases of GRAU, and not blown up.
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    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 October 2013 17: 27
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      No, they are wrong. The missiles have no separate name. "Konkurs" 9K111-1 is a complex consisting of a 9P148 vehicle, two missiles and a vehicle with test equipment.
      1. Victor
        Victor 19 October 2013 18: 13
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        Quote: Spade
        No, they are wrong. The missiles have no separate name. "Konkurs" 9K111-1 is a complex consisting of a 9P148 vehicle, two missiles and a vehicle with test equipment.

        You are not correct. ATGM 9M113 always had the name "Competition". It was under this name that Gaboy was modified.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 19 October 2013 18: 24
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          Dear, I know a lot about the 113th rocket. That in a small plastic cylinder with a connector that connects to the launcher, there are two power sources. That front cover is fixed with a pyro bolt. That the gyroscope at startup spins a powder engine. That in the stern of the rocket there is a headlamp, the mirror of which is also a coil for two varnished wires.

          But the fact that the 9M113 rocket is called "Competition" - I don't know.

          I studied the complex "Konkurs" 9K111-1. Even at the exam in the department "MLRS and ATGM" he talked about the end switches of the 148th machine. But I have never seen rockets called "Competition". And I have not heard that they were taken into service.
          1. Victor
            Victor 19 October 2013 18: 49
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            Quote: Spade
            But the fact that the 9M113 rocket is called "Competition" - I don't know.

            Following your logic, no rocket has its own name, only an index. And yet, dear, where and by whom did you serve? And then on the site there are already enough theorists.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 19 October 2013 19: 01
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              Exactly. No anti-tank missile has a name. Names have complexes. Which includes these missiles.

              For example, the Shturm-V complex is 9M114, 9M114F, 9M114M missiles, a 9P149 self-propelled launcher and a vehicle with a KPA
  12. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 19 October 2013 17: 29
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    Quote: Spade
    In fact, there is a big mess. There are only two missiles, 9M111 and 9M113.

    Indeed, both missiles are used in the Airborne Forces.
    There is such information: “Competition” (the index of the complex is 9K111-1, missiles is 9M113, the original name is Oboe, according to the classification of the US and NATO Defense Forces, AT-5 Spandrel, literally “Above-water structure”) is a Soviet self-propelled anti-tank missile system . It was developed at the Instrument Design Bureau, Tula. Designed to destroy tanks, engineering and fortifications.
    The complex was developed since 1970 and was put into service in January 1974. The self-propelled launcher is mounted on the BRDM-2 chassis, also ATGM “Competition” was equipped with BMP-1P, BMP-2, BMD-2, BMD-3. well, a complex based on the BTR-RD "Robot"
    As far as I remember, the 9M111 missile was called "Fagot" in the troops, and the 9M113 - "Competition". Or am I wrong?
    1. Victor
      Victor 19 October 2013 19: 16
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      Quote: x.andvlad
      As far as I remember, the 9M111 missile was called "Fagot" in the troops, and the 9M113 - "Competition". Or am I wrong?

      You are absolutely right. that’s exactly how missiles went according to documents. The index has always been given a name.
  13. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 19 October 2013 17: 43
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    Quote: Spade
    No, they are wrong. The missiles have no separate name. "Konkurs" 9K111-1 is a complex consisting of a 9P148 vehicle, two missiles and a vehicle with test equipment.

    Then we will assume that these names are "folk", and the author of the article used these names.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 19 October 2013 17: 50
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      It can be considered so. But this is somewhat misleading. In real life, it turns out that the device is essentially one, just called differently, depending on the installation method.
  14. zennon
    zennon 19 October 2013 18: 14
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    Curiously, how much does the Kitolov-2 UAS cost? How expensive is it to use it? Or are the results of use worth it?
    1. Victor
      Victor 19 October 2013 18: 33
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      Quote: zennon
      Curiously, how much does the Kitolov-2 UAS cost? How expensive is it to use it? Or are the results of use worth it?

      These are really expensive ammunition, but I will give you one example of their combat use. My colleague, while working in one of the hot spots, on the orders of the command, on the basis of intelligence, demolished the house in which the meeting of the commanders of the gangs took place with the "Kitolov". The rest of the houses in the kishlak were not damaged. The only difficulty is the obligatory illumination of the target with a laser to capture the homing head. There should be good weather and a line of sight, but one shell, one target!
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 19 October 2013 18: 39
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        Quote: Victor
        Must be nice weather

        ??

        And I always thought that it was all about the lower border of cloud cover. And they seemed to write to PS ... They were mistaken, probably.
        1. Victor
          Victor 19 October 2013 18: 55
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          Quote: Spade
          And I always thought that it was all about the lower border of cloud cover. And they seemed to write to PS ... They were mistaken, probably.

          Another thing is in the fog, rain, in vegetation, which prevents the passage of the beam, in a dull scout that incorrectly set the strobing. In short, in practice. Did you work as a "Kit-catcher"? Or do you just read books? I worked and my subordinates and colleagues too. And to every piece of paper written by GRAU, I had to add a lot in practice. There is a good Russian saying, It was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines (that is, real combat work).
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 19 October 2013 19: 10
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            We tried to shoot "Krasnopolye", but the interface unit was buggy. As a result, nothing came of it. And they covered up the topic for us. And here is how the 24th separate tulip shot with adjustable "Daredevils" - I saw. They had a KNP sticking out.

            About "I worked ..." more specifically. The RF Armed Forces have only three "Rheostats" on which the medical center is installed.
            1. Victor
              Victor 19 October 2013 19: 22
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              Dear, the artillery of the Airborne Forces, began to work with guided munitions back in the late eighties, in particular at the Tarutino training ground, at a time when there were no problems either with weapons or with ammunition. As for the LDC, if you actually served not only in the "Arbat" military district, you should know that in hot spots the artillery of the Airborne Forces mainly worked as part of the CNCP and on ground control complexes. Although our VDD has data "Rheostats".
              As for the "Brave", it is also a very old development, almost simultaneously with the "Nerpa". Anyway, I studied "The Brave Man" back in 1983 at our fifth department.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 19 October 2013 19: 38
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                Quote: Victor
                Dear, airborne artillery, began to work guided ammunition back in the late eighties

                "Started to work" is when there is a medical center in each battery, and working interface units are installed on at least one vehicle of each fire platoon. What you describe is called "tried to shoot"

                According to my non-Arbat 19th motorized rifle, we had one working conjugation unit and as many as three 1D22 LCDs in front of the second Chechen one for the entire division. Those that are conditionally wearable, with a battery, which is carried separately as a box.
                1. Victor
                  Victor 19 October 2013 20: 17
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                  If you follow your logic, we all had to wait for the manna from heaven, or still teach people and learn by ourselves? Stop making people sad. That is why the motto of the Airborne Forces is "Nobody but us." Those who want to work are looking for ways, those who do not want are looking for reasons. I have the honor. I got bored with you.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 19 October 2013 20: 31
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                    Learn? Why? The upturn on the fingers to portray? This you can do.

                    Quote: Victor
                    Who wants to work, looking for ways

                    Right. Therefore, my computational conscripts and commanders of control departments would shoot better than the absolute majority of your officers. Because I worked, and did not get puffed up and the slogans "no one but us" gave out on the mountain. "We started to work with guided projectiles," damn it ...
                    1. Victor
                      Victor 20 October 2013 13: 06
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                      Quote: Spade
                      damn ... Frames.

                      I am truly sorry for you! You failed to study military affairs under the USSR and failed to serve in a normal and very strong army. Hence such hatred. As for the Airborne Forces, only those who were fortunate to serve in these troops were judged on them. Therefore, I forgive you your rudeness. This is from your resentment for the failure in the service, probably, but the hardening of the Soviet, they did not give you. Well, God be your judge. All the best from unwashed paratrooper artillery, to very competent literate land artillerymen. soldier
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 20 October 2013 13: 18
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                        And I am sincerely sorry for your subordinates. While they were "trained" to shoot high-precision ammunition in the absence of LCD, interface equipment and the shells themselves, I drove all the officers through the UPA once a week, and computer controllers and command department commanders twice a week. And we imitated AGSami. My sergeants, the commanders of the second fire platoons, could fully carry out the work of the SOBs.

                        Shouts of "no one but us," and showing on the fingers how to make a coup upside down, cannot replace normal combat training.
  15. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 19 October 2013 19: 47
    +2
    Quote: Victor
    8 battery, 1986 of release.

    So I, too, with the eighth. "The Eighth Battery is the mainstay of the world! Reagan -...!" 1986 year
    1. Victor
      Victor 19 October 2013 20: 13
      +1
      That's right! The second platoon, commander lt Zotov