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Mindless and merciless hohlosrach ("Ruska Pravda" Ukraine)

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I admit honestly, I myself sometimes like to whine that in order to cure Ukraine of svidomizm, we lack only money. Say, if there were money, it would be possible to convey its information to ordinary Ukrainians, and there Ukraine will unfold on 180 degrees ... back to Europe, to Russia before. However, this is not entirely true. For certain purposes, such as propaganda, such complaints are appropriate, one just has to honestly admit that the victories of the nationalists and the defeats of forces oriented toward an alliance with Russia are not only due to the availability of resources from the nationalists, including administrative ones.


Imagine such a hypothetical situation: 1 billion rubles were allocated for the promotion of one political force. What's next? And then the work on the digestion of the budget will boil, a creative team will be assembled from its close relatives and “trusted” acquaintances, who will come up with the idea and place it in the form of advertising on all possible sites. Imagine, a smiling face of a “new” leader with a life-affirming slogan will appear next to Yanukovych and Tyagnibok: I know how to cure your hemorrhoids. Well, not hemorrhoids, of course, but something like that. Vote, and then ... I apologize, but what new "our" political leader can say, except for what we already know? Never mind! We are so accustomed to slogans and individuals that we no longer believe and, accordingly, vote for them. For example, why should I vote for the Communists, including all of their many "variations"? Or the Communists - is it an encrypted version of the column "against all" ?! Against all clear, it is not clear - for what?

I remember my old friend who tried to solve all the problems with the quality of products by increasing the budget for advertising. For some time this helped him, until all consumers made a test purchase and were not convinced that the goods were crap. To put it mildly, the product from a friend was an amateur. Now I will say something not very pleasant for all of us. None of the "pro-Russian parties" in the current conditions will not come to power in Ukraine.

And if they do not come to power, then why the hell are they needed? So that we have the illusion of choice? And after all, the Communists present in the parliament are well aware that they actually have no influence on Ukrainian politics. Long ago. They settled down there like a trade union organization in a Soviet enterprise, they are present only to take up work, so that they have a place to go. And no sense. And if there is no sense, then it may be worth getting up and leaving, slamming the doors of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine loudly, proclaiming the Leninist slogan: "There is no support for the Provisional Government." Why support fully the "pro-European rada"? To have a rostrum to speak and shout “We are against European integration” from her, rushing full steam to Europe along with European integrators in the same car? Isn't it better to go out?

Well, it may be necessary to think about integrating into a single anti-nationalist front all political forces? If about 50% of Ukrainians support the idea of ​​rapprochement with Russia, why not all the existing political forces unite for this purpose? Are there intractable contradictions between them? What kind? In addition to the personal interests of party leaders, there are no fundamental contradictions. It is precisely these personal interests that prevent our dear and irreplaceable politicians from uniting. In addition, our “pro-Russian parties” are actually the same voter, and therefore, in order to secure their votes, it is necessary to take them away from their “ideological ally”, that is, to spoil it wholeheartedly. By ideology at the moment I mean, of course, not a relation to labor and capital, but a relation to the civilizational choice of Ukraine.

Recently, a Communist with experience suspected the leader of the Rodina party, Igor Markov, that he made a deal with Yanukovych (See "The Communist believes that Markov made a deal with Yanukovych"). Does the communist have facts confirming the fact of the transaction? Obviously, no, there are suspicions that are based on the fact that there is the very practice of hidden support for virtual opponents. However, is this a reason to accuse someone of a contract game?

Last week, one "pro-Russian" political force arranged a show with revelation. A special edition of the party newspaper was issued in huge circulation, which sharply criticized the current action of the Communist Party and the Ukrainian choice to collect signatures for a referendum on joining the Customs Union as a deception of voters in the Southeast Region (See Russian Block, released the Ximun-Medvedchuk disclosure in 400). . The publication notes that “the referendum on joining the Customs Union, about which the Communists have spoken so much lately, is another cynical deception of voters. Petro Symonenko, on the instructions of the authorities, simply“ let off steam. ”The very idea of ​​voting for an alliance with Russia is discredited by the Communists ". Now the KPU and the Ukrainian choice are fulfilling the order of the authorities. Any evidence? No evidence, there is suspicion. The other day, the “release of steam” version was supported by another “pro-Russian politician”.

Recently, the leader of another pro-Russian movement "also noted in the" search for enemies "and posted on the website an open letter addressed to the leadership of the Russian Federation, which said the following:" Speaking live on TV channel ICTV 17 in December ... MP from the Party of Regions Vadim Kolesnichenko said: "Ukraine should be guided solely by national interests, including in relations with Russia. We should not live under the dictates of the Kremlin, therefore Russia should be viewed not as a state, but as a member amozhennogo Union. " Further, the letter said: "... and this is not the first time that the appointed Russian chief compatriot in Ukraine, Pan Kolesnichenko, does not hesitate, demonstrating his vision and understanding of political and social processes in the post-Soviet space, which is a disdainful attitude towards Russia." First, judging by the results of the trial, Kolesnichenko did not say such words. Secondly, if Ukraine was guided solely by national interests, then there were no problems or friction in Russian-Ukrainian relations. But Kiev is not guided by its own interests, but by the interests of the West and part of the comprador elite! Third, well, did the “pro-Russian leader” really have no other objects to criticize than Kolesnichenko?

Everyone remembers the enchanting srach raised against Ruska Pravda and the leader of the Rus party Denis Shevchuk. Say, our project was created to split the "Russian movement" of Ukraine. Even then I asked a question to the supporters of this version, where they see what can be split? Where is the "Russian movement"? Today it has become obvious to everyone that there is no “Russian movement” in Ukraine. There are some people who support the pro-Russian vector of development of Ukraine, but there is a movement that some leaders have organized, and they are not at all concerned about the proper Movement towards Russia. They move themselves and nothing more. Everything stands still. Russian parties in Ukrainian politics have no serious weight. It is a fact! But they do not have it for the simple reason that they cannot offer anything to the voter. It remains to arrange srach to attach a voter, and then somehow agree with Russia on support.

I do not mind, Russia's support is important and necessary, but who should we support? Someone who, having lost funding, will begin to indignantly shout "where are my pennies"? Why was this given, but I was not given? If only not a disgrace. However, it is not a matter of money, but the end result. Think everyone has heard of the Jewish lobby in the United States? And how many are those Jews, but they have a serious influence on US policy, including in the interests of their historical homeland. And what can our "pro-Russian politician" do useful for Russia? Our Russians or pro-Russian themselves cannot "lobby", so who needs them? After all, even they cannot raise informational noise. They have zero impact on society and power. They are not allowed to make business decisions. The cleaner in the reception of Yanukovych is more useful, even though she enters Viktor Fedorovich’s office. Therefore, when I hear words from nationalists about "Kremlin agents" in Ukraine, it makes me laugh. It's easier for me to believe that VO Svoboda acts in the interests of Russia than pro-Russian parties or movements. However, this is even better.

I will end this part of my reflections with one disappointing conclusion I made while watching my “Ukrainian acquaintances”. Amazingly, in their absolute majority they are not interested in the question “what to do,” but the question “who is to blame.” At the same time, they rarely recognize themselves guilty, it is always someone else who is to blame. I am interested in just the question “what to do,” and on this topic I will try to speculate in a few days.
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  1. rugor
    rugor 18 October 2013 08: 26
    +1
    The title of the article is provocative. Not so, the brotherly people after all.
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      6 sunrise 9 18 October 2013 08: 30
      31
      Not brotherly, but single.
      1. SAG
        SAG 18 October 2013 15: 41
        +1
        If there were one, then by definition there would be no contradictions in it !!
        1. Starfish
          Starfish 18 October 2013 16: 21
          18
          one, one, and if someone does not understand, then this is his problem.
          I have a father from the Kherson region, Ukrainian, according to the current terminology, but for me it is Russian. let there be differences, but they are no more than between Vologda and Kuban, Ryazan and Siberian chaldons.
          mother is a Siberian Tatar, and she has more differences from the Kazan Tatars than between a Russian Ukrainian and a Russian Russian
        2. Realist58
          Realist58 18 October 2013 18: 54
          +8
          If you, every day since the time of Lazar Kaganovich with a pistol to your temple, were convinced that you are an ancient Ukrainian (the ancestor of Australopithecus), you would have wondered the same that you are Russian. laughing
          I would revive and hang this hunchbacked Leninist.
      2. fedorovith
        fedorovith 18 October 2013 17: 50
        +6
        When will such shnyaga cease to appear .........
        1. Gato
          Gato 18 October 2013 20: 51
          0
          Quote: fedorovith
          When such shnyaga will cease to appear.

          This is a question for the modders.
      3. Rusich51
        Rusich51 18 October 2013 19: 24
        +4
        Quote: 6Sunrise9
        Not brotherly, but single.


        Yes, the West succeeded in what Mr. Schilgruber Adolf Eloizovich could not.
      4. Dimka off
        Dimka off 19 October 2013 12: 17
        +1
        I agree. Single and there is nothing to discuss here.
      5. SS68SS
        SS68SS 13 March 2017 11: 49
        +1
        Quote: 6Sunrise9
        6socket9 18 October 2013 08:30 ↑
        Not fraternal, but one.


        As it was believed then, in 2013. Because there has not yet been a coup and Odessa ...
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 08: 35
      15
      Quote: rugor
      The title of the article is provocative. Not so, the brotherly people after all.

      If you read not only the title, but the article itself, then such a comment would not be left.
      1. SHILO
        SHILO 18 October 2013 09: 11
        75
        The author asks the classic question: "What to do?"

        The answer is simple: NOTHING !!!

        Do not throw a penny into this break. So far, land and a relatively competent population have not been sold - not any fraternization.

        That's when there is nothing left - everything will be sold, eaten and drank to the body cross inclusive! When the Polish gentlemen are pulling pretty for the forelocks! When the Geyropei Goluboko feel the soul of the Ukrainian people! Only then the glorious descendants of the Trypillians will remember the Russian roots and, as it were, softer. In! Will come. Themselves.
        Sincerely, hereditary tripolets.

        In general, all this is sad.
        1. skeptic
          skeptic 18 October 2013 10: 30
          +6
          Quote: SHILO
          That's when there is nothing left - everything will be sold, eaten and drank to the body cross inclusive! When the Polish gentlemen are pulling pretty for the forelocks! When the Geyropei Goluboko feel the soul of the Ukrainian people! Only then the glorious descendants of the Trypillians will remember the Russian roots and, as it were, softer. In! Will come. Themselves.


          Unfortunately, by that time, NATO military bases will be stuck all over Ukraine, and they (the Gay Europeans) will explain where the elbows are, which will be too late to reach, let alone bite. request
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          2. xan
            xan 18 October 2013 11: 41
            +2
            Quote: skeptic
            Unfortunately, by that time, NATO military bases will be stumbled across Ukraine,

            do you think now they are not stuck because the Ukrainian government is against?
          3. SHILO
            SHILO 18 October 2013 12: 32
            +9
            skeptic
            NATO military bases will be stumbled across Ukraine
            etc. etc. - I agree, but I advised everyone not to pay for the continuation of the banquet! (GDP already understood this good ) Although this does not preclude the fact that the final bill will be presented to Russia (for which purpose this porridge is actually brewed). wink
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 18 October 2013 12: 33
          +6
          Quote: SHILO
          That's when nothing remains - everything will be sold, eaten up and drunk on the wearer's cross, inclusive!

          When people who remember the Soviet "freebie" die.
        3. atos_kin
          atos_kin 18 October 2013 15: 28
          +4
          From History: Russia will pay for it, as always, with the blood of the Russian people.
          No need to lead to this. It is better now to crush the "pro-game" aspirations at the root. You don't even need to shoot.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 18 October 2013 16: 40
            +3
            Quote: atos_kin
            and Russia will pay for it, as always, with the blood of the Russian people.

            And the longer we wait, the more Russian blood will be shed. But now it’s hard to start, everyone hopes that everything will work out by itself, that the patriots are in power and they will do everything for everyone. And our business is to sit warm and express our approval! Only that will not be so!
        4. phantom359
          phantom359 18 October 2013 23: 38
          +5
          Yes, brother, it's sad. I voted for this clown, bought the promises of dual citizenship and open borders. now doubly insulting.
          1. BBM
            BBM 19 October 2013 20: 59
            -2
            for a gopnik who served two terms (one of them for gang rape), only the completely deposed Chmyri could vote. So I'm not at all sorry that you are offended.
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 20 October 2013 11: 42
              +1
              Quote: BBM
              for the gopnik who served two terms

              Not FOR, but AGAINST. Against the ataman - the rotten snout and his oblique Armenian-Jewish comrade-in-arms with the "Movs", "Holodomors" and "Iroi-UPARs".
      2. rugor
        rugor 18 October 2013 10: 02
        +4
        Therefore, I write that the name is provocative, not an article.
      3. Realist58
        Realist58 18 October 2013 12: 31
        +2
        Why read the article? The old Maylovsky fake - uncork the comments of any garbage, that's a joy)) In short, it catches a minus.
    3. kris
      kris 18 October 2013 09: 51
      +2
      Quote: rugor
      The title of the article is provocative. Not so, the brotherly people after all.

      Dear moderators!
      But does the name (ho chlo osrach) not violate the rules of the site?
      Item b. Inciting ethnic hatred.
      Quote:" This also includes the use of such words and derivatives as: crest, yandiya, Jew, USA, bulbash, Talaponets, chock, khachik, Azerbaijani, cross-eyed, b "
      1. Smirnov Vadim
        Smirnov Vadim 18 October 2013 10: 20
        11
        It author's article from another site and we do not have the right to change the title. Here is laid out for discussion. No need to juggle!
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        2. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz 18 October 2013 11: 26
          +6
          Smirnov, I wrote something wrong to you? If there is an article with a derogatory attitude towards Russia from another site, will it be posted here?
          Well, why in the silent delete comments? Or need comments only pleasing to you?
          1. Gato
            Gato 18 October 2013 20: 54
            -2
            Quote: gladiatorakz
            Or need comments only pleasing to you?

            Do not shoot the pianist - he plays as best he can. laughing
        3. kris
          kris 18 October 2013 14: 12
          0
          Quote: Smirnov Vadim
          This is an author’s article from another site and we do not have the right to change the title. Here is laid out for discussion. No need to juggle!

          you distort it.
          the rules should be the same for everyone.
          But can I find out who posted this article?
          not one of the moderators?
        4. 222222
          222222 18 October 2013 14: 16
          +1
          Do not be compared to the terminology of UNIN forums?
      2. general
        general 18 October 2013 17: 16
        -4
        You have forgotten a very bad word "ka.tsap"
        1. Gato
          Gato 18 October 2013 23: 29
          +2
          Quote: chung
          very bad word "ka.tsap"

          History
          1. The bad word "katts.apy" in Ukaine called officials collecting taxes in favor of the Empire. Which is understandable, who liked the tax collectors? By the way, in RI the word was tastier.
          2. "Mo.s.s.k.a.l.i.i." in Ukraine, they called only the servicemen of the Republic of Ingushetia. An explanation is needed here. There was elementary envy here. Russian soldiers were recruited from serfs according to recruitment - for 25 years. But they served together with the Ukrainian city Cossacks, who, in principle, were free and after the service they stomped home to their wives, vegetable gardens, shinoks, etc.
          3. It was they who were called "h.h.l.y" - for their hairstyle. Only the Cossacks had the right to wear this. Ukrainian serfs had their hair cut "under the pot". For "sedentary" the serf could easily lose his head.
      3. Bat
        Bat 23 August 2017 20: 30
        0
        Have you already decided who is on this list?
    4. T80UM1
      T80UM1 18 October 2013 10: 00
      44
      Explain to me not a Slav the concept of Ukrainians-Russian brothers ??? I don't divide you at all. You are one people. As my classmates Slavs said, "ask how Russian differs from a Ukrainian, a Russian will scratch his turnips, and a Ukrainian will come up with a whole list"

      To be honest, I can only distinguish by surnames if it ends in "ko" or "k", although many with such a surname ending tell me that they are Russian ...
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 18 October 2013 13: 04
        +8
        You do it right. It was just that from among the Bolsheviks in the 20s they staged a localization, heaped up affairs, called a bunch of Russians Ukrainians and Belarusians, and this nonsense was never cleared out after them.
      2. knn54
        knn54 18 October 2013 13: 57
        +7
        Alexey, it is well said.
        Our strength is in unity, in it is the guarantee of our success, our salvation and prosperity. It's just that the West and the grant-eaters who want to make money with our sweat, to enrich themselves at the expense of our minds, are doing everything to weaken, play off and rob us. An example is Yugoslavia, where the fraternal peoples, Croats and Serbs, have methodically destroyed each other for centuries. Slavophilism is international in its essence and therefore eternal. SLAVS of all nationalities, of all religions, of all parties - unite!
        We cannot wait for favors from nature, to take them from her is our task ...
      3. Gato
        Gato 18 October 2013 23: 12
        0
        Quote: T80UM1
        what is the difference between Russian and Ukrainian

        Yes, nothing. Wed ... t just longer than usual.
        Some like lard, others like vodka. But if they come together (with bacon and vodka) - brothers forever. It turns out that everyone loves lard and vodka.
        Verified! drinks
        1. Gato
          Gato 18 October 2013 23: 42
          0
          Quote: Gato
          Some people like lard, others like vodka.

          I wrote it, and then I thought - both.
          Not, not so - both we and you.
          And even better - WE.
          drinks
      4. Setrac
        Setrac 19 October 2013 00: 04
        +2
        Quote: T80UM1
        "ask how the Russian differs from the Ukrainian, the Russian will scratch his turnips,

        Why scratch a turnip? A Ukrainian is a citizen of the state of Ukraine, as a nation, Ukrainians have not yet formed, while they are Russians. In Russia, the analogue is the Russians - not a nation but belonging to the Russian state. The so-called "svidomity", Bender and others are not Ukrainians, but polonized or numb Russians - to a lesser extent Ukrainians than Russian citizens of Ukraine.
    5. GDP
      GDP 18 October 2013 13: 35
      +1
      I agree - an idiotic name. You can’t say that about brotherly people. The name itself already clashes the Russians and Ukrainians. Although the content of the article does not match the title ...
    6. fedorovith
      fedorovith 18 October 2013 17: 17
      -1
      The posting of this article is already a provocation ...
    7. Realist58
      Realist58 19 October 2013 02: 04
      +1
      In general, everything slipped into the standard srach ukrofobov ukrofilami)))))

      I'll try to insert my five cents in the case.

      The national liberation movement acquires a mass character when there is not only a leader, but also support from either states close to the movement in ideology (GCD of the mid-20th century), or national business (Minin-Pozharsky) from the colonial yoke.

      Is it possible for help from other states or sovereign business to pro-Russian NOD in modern Russia, Little Russia?
      National sovereign business in our countries is only in extremely small shares of GDP, and most often it is not independent and is affiliated with oligarchic power structures. So you shouldn't expect any serious help from them.
      The state - China will not help, a strong Russia has nothing to do with it, and the current thieves' oligarchy in the Russian Federation suits him perfectly. Belarus, you can expect help, but rather moral, the resources are not the same.
      Remain the countries of Latin America, East and Africa freed from the colonial yoke with the assistance of the USSR. They remember sovereign Russia as a state of justice and real freedom, a defender from the bloody, greedy paws of imperialism-oligarchism and therefore are potentially ready to support the pro-Russian GCD, BUT ...
      But for all this, a leader is needed with sane ideas that most of the country's citizens are ready to subscribe to. Unfortunately, there are no such people yet, or they are already in another world or on bunks.

      So, God give us strength and intelligence to return our country.
      1. peter_shchurov
        peter_shchurov 20 October 2013 14: 50
        0
        Quote: Realist58
        There remain the countries of Latin America, East and Africa, liberated from the colonial yoke with the assistance of the USSR.


        Yes, yes, the monkeys were given free rein, and what did it turn into? Massacre and hunger, oh yes, it's just great, how can you ... Google about Rhodesia, maybe you can understand something?
    8. dark_65
      dark_65 20 October 2013 16: 52
      0
      And you seemingly tolerant, my friend?
  2. Civil
    Civil 18 October 2013 08: 27
    -14 qualifying.
    There is only one reason for that, they know the Russian language, not mentally being Russian.
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      6 sunrise 9 18 October 2013 08: 36
      21
      They are mostly Russians who have forgotten about it.
      An excerpt about the creation of "Ukrainians"

      Let's throw fires and bombs, beyond the Dnieper and Don into the heart Of Russia... Stir up controversy and hatred in Russian people. Russia themselves will tear themselves with their own claws... And we will grow and grow stronger.
      Ludovig Meroslavsky 1878 Polish general.
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 18 October 2013 10: 51
        +3
        And that Poland as a state existed in 1878. and there were Polish "Enerals"!
        1. 6 sunrise 9
          6 sunrise 9 18 October 2013 11: 28
          +4
          You must remember that after the division of the Commonwealth, the Polish people were also divided between Austria-Hungary, Prussia (later Germany) and Russia. And yes, Polish generals were in the army of these states.
          1. Djozz
            Djozz 18 October 2013 12: 01
            +2
            They were Poles by nationality, and generals of Russia, Prussia and Austria-Hungary!
            1. 6 sunrise 9
              6 sunrise 9 18 October 2013 12: 30
              +1
              So what? Themselves know how the Poles "love" Russians.
              1. Djozz
                Djozz 18 October 2013 13: 14
                +3
                Oh, we don't give a damn, even if they don't like it, but they are afraid!
          2. kotvov
            kotvov 18 October 2013 18: 00
            +1
            I disagree with you, they were RUSSIAN generals (of Polish origin)
      2. xan
        xan 18 October 2013 11: 44
        -3
        Quote: 6Sunrise9
        They are mostly Russians who have forgotten about it.

        Why do we need such Russians?
        We need our land and our people, which the Ukrainians accidentally inherited.
        1. Ivan Sirko
          Ivan Sirko 18 October 2013 16: 18
          -12 qualifying.
          Huh huh not ho ho
          1. kotvov
            kotvov 18 October 2013 18: 01
            +4
            idiots don't belong here.
        2. general
          general 18 October 2013 18: 15
          -7
          Your phrase ".. we need our land and our people, accidentally inherited by the Ukrainians ..." is nothing more than a declaration of ownership by the people and territory of another state. Ownership is usually documented or by force.
          Show the audience the document on the ownership of Ukraine or describe the way in which you are going to return "your land".
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 18 October 2013 23: 45
            0
            Quote: chung
            Ownership is usually documented or by force.

            Only by force.
        3. skeptic
          skeptic 18 October 2013 19: 36
          +2
          Quote: xan

          Why do we need such Russians?
          We need our land and our people, which the Ukrainians accidentally inherited.


          Well, you my friend got excited. And Rokosovsky, Dzerzhinsky and many other Poles served Russia with honor. The Gorboelkins, it seems, were born on the Russian land, but how much evil they have engendered, what else will our grandchildren have enough to disentangle.

          Speaking of birds ... As far as I remember, during the times of the USSR, it was not necessary to be Ukrainian, so that in the north of Russia you would be called oh, and in the south, I am a Nazi muzzle, oh. The southern dialect (dialect) has its own characteristics, like the northern one - are we, that of different nationalities, or how ..? I remember in my childhood they shared (fought) who lived on whose street, in whose area. Now "grown up", (to the delight of the enemies of the Slavic people) tore the USSR to pieces, ready to tear each other to shreds. Not disgusting?
          1. Starfish
            Starfish 18 October 2013 20: 29
            0
            "... oh, and in the south, I'm a Nazi face, oh ..." "

            is that self-criticism wassat Or is it on the site such jokes from the moderators?
            1. skeptic
              skeptic 18 October 2013 23: 16
              0
              Quote: Starfish
              "... oh, and in the south, I'm a Nazi face, oh ..." "

              is it that self-criticism wassat or is it on the site such jokes from the moderators?


              Not this wassat ohm, for moderators wassat ohm, respectively, and what's in the middle fool
      3. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 18 October 2013 15: 16
        -2
        Quote: 6Sunrise9
        And we will grow and get stronger. Ludovig Meroslavsky 1878 Polish general.


        And you never know what LUDOEIK what in some century vomited?
        This has long been forgotten (and no one has heard)
        And why write that?
        1. 6 sunrise 9
          6 sunrise 9 18 October 2013 16: 53
          +3
          I mean that this Lyakh, who participated in the uprising of 1863. already expected to "knock the Russian foreheads."
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 18 October 2013 08: 40
      -8
      Ukraine is a cancerous tumor on the body of Russia and the Russian people.
      1. 6 sunrise 9
        6 sunrise 9 18 October 2013 08: 56
        10
        The homeland of the "Ukrainians" Auto-Hungary, it was on the territory of Austria that they began to destroy the Russian language and create the Ukrainian language.
        Excerpt

        Anyone who uses Russian cannot be a good Austrian. Only a Ukrainian can be a good Austrian.

        But the one to whom the "Ukrainians" owe their state.

        In reality, Ukraine is my doing, and not at all the fruit of a conscious will Russian people. I created Ukraine in order to be able to make peace with at least part of Russia.

        Max Hoffmann 1919 excerpt from interview with Dailu Mail (daily mail)

        Read who this "Ukrainians" .. is a sin not to know the founder of your state.
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 18 October 2013 11: 17
          -1
          I don’t know.
        2. USMC
          USMC 18 October 2013 13: 59
          -7
          Quote: 6Sunrise9
          The homeland of the "Ukrainians" Auto-Hungary, it was on the territory of Austria that they began to destroy the Russian language and create the Ukrainian language.

          the territory of modern Vinnytsia, Khmelnytsky, Cherkasy regions, and several other regions, have NEVER been part of Austria-Hungary, but their population traditionally speaks Ukrainian in the majority! how an artificial language could get and get such distribution in another, at that time, country ???
          and secondly, the Austrians had a much better attitude towards the Ukrainian-speaking, in contrast to what you did in the territories of the Ukrainian provinces under your control. even on Austro-Hungarian kroons (in circulation from 1892 to 1918), the denomination was written in all languages ​​of the empire, incl. and in Ukrainian
          1. 6 sunrise 9
            6 sunrise 9 18 October 2013 17: 11
            +6
            Quote: USMC
            but their population traditionally mostly speaks Ukrainian


            It began to be said during the period of Soviet power. And even now, even more so, if we take into account the discrimination of the Russian language ... in schools it is not taught, so a generation of new "Ukrainians" of the non-remembering kind is growing up.

            Quote: USMC
            and secondly, the Austrians had a much better attitude towards Ukrainian-speaking


            I'll tell you more, they just cut out the Russian-speaking people. And those who did not want to call themselves Ukrainian and change their nationality were awaited by the grave.
            Still, I advise you to watch the movie "kill the Russian in yourself"
            1. Avenger711
              Avenger711 18 October 2013 17: 23
              +2
              Rather, on the contrary, local village dialects began to be supplanted by standard Russian, and this process continues, Ukrainization with its newspeak, incomprehensible to anyone, cannot interfere with anything.
            2. USMC
              USMC 18 October 2013 20: 08
              -1
              Quote: 6Sunrise9
              It began to be said during the period of Soviet power. And even now, even more so, if we take into account the discrimination of the Russian language ... in schools it is not taught, so a generation of new "Ukrainians" of the non-remembering kind is growing up.

              hmm, and relatives (old grandfathers and grandmothers, and they, in turn, know from their grandfathers and grandmothers) from the Khmelnytsky region. (for reference, the territory was annexed to Russia in 1793) they claim that they always spoke Ukrainian. and who do you think I will trust? to their relatives, who from generation to generation have seen everything themselves, or your Ukrainophobic statements and an attempt to prove to me that I am actually Russian, who has forgotten my roots, based only on a film of dubious origin
              1. Realist58
                Realist58 19 October 2013 18: 54
                0
                That is, your grandparents and parents speak the sovereign language, and you all such an independent Ukrainian come here in the purest Russian language, with the correct punctuation marks trying to say that this is all nonsense, and your native language is Galician kuleshovka?
                Let's compare with the Dzhamshuts from the camps, most of the visitors know only their NATIVE language (really native for millennia), and it is extremely difficult to learn Russian in the volume - "Then the boss handles ...". And then, if you were lucky once to teach him in a Soviet school.
                So you're the sweetest standard orange BREAK.
                This is called lying, not rolling bags.
                1. USMC
                  USMC 19 October 2013 20: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Realist58
                  That is, your grandparents and parents speak the sovereign language, and you all such an independent Ukrainian come here in the purest Russian language, with the correct punctuation marks trying to say that this is all nonsense, and your native language is Galician kuleshovka?

                  you have interesting logic dear! and if I spar in English, would you say that I am amerikos? Yes, my relatives and I myself communicate in Ukrainian, because it is our native language, and not because it is the state language! and it is called "Ukrainian mova" and not "Galician kuleshovka". but at the same time I am fluent in Russian, and since according to the rules of this site, the working language here is Russian, due to the fact that users from different countries, I leave messages here in Russian
                  1. Realist58
                    Realist58 21 October 2013 01: 06
                    +1
                    My dear, I don't care if you are native English or not, even if you are an American (which is not a nationality) I don't care. These are your personal problems.
                    The bottom line is that a native speaker living in his own linguistic environment (family, government, work) during normal communication in a foreign language (especially close one) will always use words in his native language (unless of course he is an agent 007 working undercover).
                    As an example, I work with a small Russian company, and despite the fact that for most of the employees with whom I communicate, MOV is not at all native, but is used only for work (right-bank Banderlog people often refuse to speak Russian),
                    in conversations and correspondence with me they often use words from surzhik and sovereign mechanically.
                    Unlike them, you do not use these words at all in your posts. So, it’s not just not native to you, but you most likely don’t even know it.

                    Now, as regards the ancient Mova and Khmelnitsky region, reference;
                    Podolia was part of Kievan Rus. Then it was part of the Galicia and Galicia-Volyn principalities. In the middle of the XIV century. this region was captured by Poland and Lithuania. Since 1569, it was part of the Commonwealth. In 1793, as part of Right-Bank Ukraine, Podillia was annexed to the Russian Empire.

                    Accordingly, being in slavery, the claps were forced to learn the language of the invaders.
                    and being apart from the state Russian-speaking culture, conversational Russian was clogged with polonisms, and a village surzhik was formed for a long time called Little Russian.
                    For your information, surzhik is in almost every village and in the native Russian territories. For example, the word FARIA, in my village what do you think this is? If you are right, and all surzhik-mov, then you should know this.

                    Therefore, I affirm that you are NEGLOUS.
                    And given that, judging by your letters, you are educated enough not to know and understand these things, then I have only one option. You are a hired propagandist of "Ukrainian statehood".
                    1. USMC
                      USMC 21 October 2013 23: 46
                      -1
                      I'm going even worse! not just a right-bank banderlog but zapadenets!))) But seriously, it so happened that in my city a motley people - Ukrainians, Russians, Romanian-Moldovans, Jews and a bunch of other less numerous "groups" so to speak. and most of the people here are bilinguals, including me. so both languages ​​are not a problem for me. about the fact that Ukrainian is not my native language and that I probably don't even know it, it's silly to say if you don't know me personally! and - I can easily view your messages in Ukrainian language, but I can not even smell sound impersonal for a larger website / I can easily respond to your messages in Ukrainian, but they will remain incomprehensible to most of this site.

                      if there are polonisms in Podolia, then why is the Ukrainian language in my area (where there is no such rabble of nations as in the regional center), which was under the rule of the Ottomans, then Moldavians, then Austro-Hungarians, then Romanians, and only after 1940 in the USSR, the same as in Vinnitsa, Cherkasy, the same Khmelnitsky, who were under the empire ??? Yes, your accent is everywhere, and some words are different, but it’s really one language! it is not clear what language they speak in Transcarpathia! there really is some kind of horror.

                      the meaning of the word FARIA is not the slightest notion.

                      hired propagandist of "Ukrainian statehood"?) with the emblem of the US Marine Corps on the avatar and the nickname USMC? laughing if this were true, then I would have scribbled 20-30 more provocative messages per day from a cool laptop, and not 2-3 from an old one, like hell ** about a mammoth, PC.
          2. Avenger711
            Avenger711 18 October 2013 17: 21
            +5
            Not in Ukrainian, but in local dialects of Russian, stop lying. Little Russian dialects, and so on. Ukrainian language things are different.
          3. Sochi
            Sochi 18 October 2013 19: 42
            +2
            not so, then the language was called MALOROSSKY ... And the population was RUSSIAN living in the territory under the name MALOROSIA (i.e. small Russia). Did the Austrians feel better ???? nonsense do not write modern ukroistorikov, and read what happened during their occupation. But Russia just treated like the whole Russian people — it built schools, temples, universities, factories, etc.
            1. USMC
              USMC 18 October 2013 20: 28
              -4
              Quote: Sochi
              not so, then the language was called MALOROSSKY ... And the population was RUSSIAN living in the territory under the name MALOROSIA (i.e. small Russia).

              you called us so scornfully !!! we didn't call ourselves that! Read Shevchenko, even in Russian. he has the word "Ukraine" there, not "Little Russia"

              Quote: Sochi
              Did the Austrians feel better ???? nonsense do not write modern ukroistorikov, and read what happened during their occupation. But Russia just treated like the whole Russian people — it built schools, temples, universities, factories, etc.

              dear, firstly, I rarely read the "creations" of modern hackers, since it is difficult to find something sensible in tons of information waste, and secondly, I live in the city of Chernivtsi, which until 1918 was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and all of my maternal relatives are local. So my, already deceased, grandfather, although he was born already under the Romanian government, did not hear bad things about the Austrians from his parents. and many old local people, whose parents lived under the Austrians, also consider their power to be the best.

              Quote: Sochi
              But Russia just treated like the whole Russian people — it built schools, temples, universities, factories, etc.

              so we have schools, temples, a theater and a university, built under Austrian authority. but we were not forbidden to study and speak our native language and the indigenous representatives of our lands were in the imperial parliament

              ps not casual, in our city there is a monument to the great emperor of Austria and the king of Hungary Franz Joseph I
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 18 October 2013 23: 48
                +1
                Quote: USMC
                you called us so scornfully !!! we didn't call ourselves that! Read Shevchenko, even in Russian. he has the word "Ukraine" there, not "Little Russia"

                That Ukraine is the north-west of present-day Ukraine, the entire Black Sea coast, including the Kuban-Little Russia.
          4. yastr
            yastr 22 October 2013 14: 33
            0
            Really better: separate concentration camps for men and women who do not want to accept the Catholic faith and speak non-Russian.
      2. In the book
        In the book 18 October 2013 11: 07
        +2
        Have you thought what you wrote?
        If you thought, then obviously not with your head.
        Bold "-"
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 18 October 2013 14: 44
          +5
          Libr and where is our ed65b ?!
  3. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 18 October 2013 08: 29
    23
    Ukraine had everything to become a rich and prosperous country. She has much of this now. She has the same problem as Russia - incompetent and thieving leaders.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 18 October 2013 08: 39
      +9
      Russia is a state FOR Russians, there is no other purpose in its existence. Like Germany for the Germans and France for the French. Ukraine is a "state" against Russia. And no state can exist against someone.
    2. kush62
      kush62 18 October 2013 15: 36
      +1
      Rather, very competent in theft.
  4. Avenger711
    Avenger711 18 October 2013 08: 30
    +2
    Dispersal of hetmans and dismantling of Ukraine with the elimination of Ukrainians as a phenomenon. Svidomo can make their "gosudarstvo" from the former Polish-Austrian territories, and we'll see how far they go. And dealing with someone in Ukraine is even less useful than relations with one or another hetman in the 17th century, then every hetman had at least a band of Cossack women that could somehow be used, but now there are only talkers.
    1. peter_shchurov
      peter_shchurov 18 October 2013 08: 41
      -22 qualifying.
      Quote: rugor
      Not so, the brotherly people after all.

      But at the same time:
      Quote: Avenger711
      Acceleration of hetmans and dismantling of Ukraine with the elimination of Ukraine as a phenomenon.


      yes, good "brothers" in Ukraine.
      This is exactly the saying about you- "Such" friends "for a member and to the museum"
      1. a52333
        a52333 18 October 2013 09: 47
        12
        Quote: peter_shchurov
        yes, good "brothers" in Ukraine.

        What do you think, and those who in the Russian Federation are engaged in the collapse of our country, for example, to Novodvorskaya or Albats (http://topwar.ru/34736-vykidyshi-svobody-slova-ya-ne-vizhu-osoboy-problemy-i -es
        li-rossiya-razdelitsya-po-uralskomu-hrebtu.html) are we better off? THOSE. Your helminths are better than ours wassat ? In my opinion equally vile.
      2. Avenger711
        Avenger711 18 October 2013 11: 23
        +6
        And why should we tolerate some supposedly state formation next to us, which forcibly makes some Ukrainians from Russians (80% of the population are not Russian) and generally pursues an anti-Russian policy? Look, do whatever you want in your city, Lviv, Ukraine, Galicia, whatever you like, but get out of Russian Kiev!

        And as for what kind of bad "brothers" we are, in fact for us now in the short term Ukraine will be a black hole for more than one year, until it is somehow pulled up to the level of the Russian Federation. It's just that people realize that if this continues, then in 50 years, Ukrainians may become new janissaries in the service of the West.
      3. sashka
        sashka 18 October 2013 17: 30
        +2
        Quote: peter_shchurov
        yes, good "brothers" in Ukraine.
        This is exactly the saying about you- "Such" friends "for a member and to the museum"

        Incidentally, a Russian proverb. Ukraine has already erupted all over. They "muffled" with shouts on, on come to us. The matter will end with only one team. "to the leg" and "to me". Oh, yes, I forgot the command "apport". Well, excuse me, "brothers" by blood. We are not friends with mongrels ..
        1. peter_shchurov
          peter_shchurov 19 October 2013 18: 47
          +1
          Quote: Sasha
          . The case will end with only one team. "to the leg" and "to me". Oh, yes, I forgot the command "apport". Well, excuse me, "brothers" by blood. We are not friends with mongrels ..

          In fact, it is not surprising that after such words that with such **** as you, no one wants to be friends. Continue in the same spirit.
          All of your servile servility in this phrase, you really will never be different.
          continue to exhort @ racian greatness.
    2. Lindon
      Lindon 18 October 2013 08: 42
      +6
      Are you paid euros for every anti-Ukrainian post 200 or do you have something personal?
      And it turns out you have already earned 600 euros - you are worse than a fan.
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 18 October 2013 11: 25
        +7
        No, there are simply patriots of the Russian people who really don’t like that they share this people.
        1. georg737577
          georg737577 18 October 2013 12: 50
          -3
          You confuse patriotism with verbal diarrhea.
        2. alone
          alone 18 October 2013 22: 29
          +2
          writing nasty things is not patriotism. this is the level of who writes such things
    3. USMC
      USMC 19 October 2013 11: 58
      +2
      Quote: Avenger711
      Dispersal of hetmans and dismantling of Ukraine with the elimination of Ukrainians as a phenomenon. Svidomo can make their "gosudarstvo" from the former Polish-Austrian territories, and we'll see how far they go.

      Tell me, is everything so good in Russia? you have no problem? with corruption, with immigrants? that you don’t have a lot of everyday problems starting from housing and communal services and ending with medicine ??? so no, instead of solving your problems, which will last for several generations, you climb into a strange monastery with your own charter. primordially Russian amusement - we ourselves in de ** me and others will pull after ourselves. Do you know how favorably Americans differ from Russians? this government creeps into the affairs of other countries in them, and ordinary people don’t know what problems are in the neighboring state, not like in another country, because everyone does his work and does not teach others how to live
      1. peter_shchurov
        peter_shchurov 20 October 2013 14: 45
        0
        Quote: USMC
        primordially Russian amusement - we ourselves in de ** me and others will pull after ourselves.

        well done, clearly formulated)))
        1. USMC
          USMC 22 October 2013 01: 21
          -1
          Thank you) phrases on emotions usually fly out quickly)
  5. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 08: 33
    +3
    Against everyone it is clear, it is not clear - why?
    Dear author, that sho is not clear to you, you vote for the fact that they would get power and access to the budget. And all their words about your future well-being are their concern for themselves loved ones. As soon as you vote for them, they immediately become independent from you hi

    If about 50% of Ukrainians support the idea of ​​rapprochement with Russia, then why can not all existing political forces unite for this purpose?
    Sorry, but what have the citizens of Ukraine and political forces. You can't cross a bear with a rabbit, why? Well, you can't, that's all.


    I do not mind, Russia's support is important and necessary, but who should we support?

    Perhaps your authorities are not worth it, as for the Ukrainians, then 50% can be supported, let the rest ask the EU for help, they will help there - taking the last laughing
  6. Lech from our city
    Lech from our city 18 October 2013 08: 33
    +3
    Ukraine is the weak link in the customs union.
    And now this brick is taken out and laid under the foundation of the European Union.
    The process seems to have begun.
    And as I see, UKRAINE does not rest much - well, let it be that time will put everything in its place.
    In a rapidly changing environment, Russia needs to squeeze out the maximum of preferences for itself.
    No matter how cynical it may sound to force friendship to offer UKRAINE is meaningless.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 08: 37
      +5
      Quote: Lech from our city
      Ukraine is the weak link in the customs union.

      But it will become a powerful state in the EU. No, well, compared to the Baltic states, they will really be powerful, even in terms of the army and comparisons will be in their favor. There is nothing to be proud of in an alliance with Russia.
      1. Lech from our city
        Lech from our city 18 October 2013 08: 40
        +9
        Hello, ALEXANDER.
        Well, everything is happening as a blueprint as it was with the Eastern European countries.
        I believe UKRAINE is waiting for the fate of BULGARIA, all the signs of this are evident.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 10: 28
          +5
          Quote: Lech from our city
          I believe UKRAINE is waiting for the fate of BULGARIA - all the signs of this are obvious

          No, Bulgaria was not so dependent on us as Ukraine. There will be a concrete blow to the economy and subsequent default. And the political situation resembles a storm, and there is nothing to say about flirting with the Islamists.
          Healthy hi
          1. 222222
            222222 18 October 2013 14: 29
            +5
            ... "" "" "No, Bulgaria did not depend so much on us," "" "
            How much did it not depend? Only to take one metallurgical plant near Sofia in Kremikovtsy is completely dependent. (July 02, 2010 - The Bulgarian metallurgical plant Kremikovtsi, in which Konstantin Zhevago invested more than 100 million euros, was liquidated.). But, another interesting thing is that Russia, having thrown Bulgaria on free bread, at that time owes Bulgaria () 100 million dollars ..
            Let's take the military sphere - all the armament of the BA is still Soviet ... There is nothing new .. Except that a few European helicopters .. Instead of three combined-arms armies, 3-4 combat brigades remained .. the fleet, the last submarine was written off .. And you say did not depend much ...
      2. skeptic
        skeptic 18 October 2013 10: 48
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        But it will become a powerful state in the EU. No, well, compared to the Baltic states, they will really be powerful


        Especially from the point of view of a raw material appendage, and of a convenient springboard for the military threat to Russia (specifically for the Black Sea Fleet).
      3. Corsair
        Corsair 18 October 2013 12: 55
        +3
        Let me break your comment into separate fragments:
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        But it will become a powerful state in the EU.

        What power are we talking about? laughing
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        .No, well, in comparison with the Baltic states they will really be powerful, even in the army and comparisons will be in their favor.

        Will be WHOLE TWO tank "Oplot"?
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        In alliance with Russia, there is nothing special to be proud of.

        And here there is nothing to say at all, the prosperity of Ukraine after the "divorce" with Russia is indicative and does not require comments ...
        1. yastr
          yastr 22 October 2013 14: 39
          0
          It's about relics :)
    2. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 18 October 2013 10: 15
      +5
      And unless Ukraine was a part of the vehicle ..., and apparently the "brick", apparently, lay on the wrong pallet and moved it on 8.12. 1991. hi
  7. Avenger711
    Avenger711 18 October 2013 08: 35
    +8
    Actually, all these modern hetmans are well aware that with a real movement towards integration with Russia, they will simply not be needed. For them, Ukraine is a piece of territory in the mess in which they live.
  8. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 18 October 2013 08: 38
    +4
    I expressed my opinion on this issue in the article "Heat Party Wins in Ukraine". Its meaning is that all the current political forces of Ukraine are parties of the cold (they are for the West, which means they are for the cold in relation to Russia and expensive energy resources, they seem to be different but play against us) and a party of heat is needed, i.e. party, a force aimed at constructive cooperation with Russia. I am sure that such a party will have the more like-minded people, the colder the winter is in case of serious gas supply disruptions.
  9. Lindon
    Lindon 18 October 2013 08: 38
    -4
    Is today a special day called "Kicking Ukraine"?
    1. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz 18 October 2013 10: 59
      -5
      Quote: Lindon
      Is today a special day called "Kicking Ukraine"?

      This is not a special day. This is every day. laughing
      And how is Ukraine ticking away from such love?
    2. In the book
      In the book 18 October 2013 11: 14
      +8
      I also have a feeling. As an article about Ukraine, it seems that some commentators get off the hook when they write about Ukraine and Ukrainians.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 18 October 2013 12: 45
        +3
        Quote: Libr
        I also have a feeling. As an article about Ukraine, it seems that some commentators get off the hook when they write about Ukraine and Ukrainians.

        Ukraine goes west. Why kiss their gums now? By deeds and attitude.
        1. georg737577
          georg737577 18 October 2013 12: 54
          +2
          Quote: Setrac
          Ukraine goes west. Why kiss their gums now? By deeds and attitude.

          But Ukraine should ask Russia what to do?
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 18 October 2013 13: 19
            +4
            Quote: georg737577
            But Ukraine should ask Russia what to do?

            But Ukraine demands that Russia ask Ukraine what to do.
      2. yur
        yur 18 October 2013 20: 27
        +2
        Yes, it is very painful, but they are particularly surprised about nothing. Each person has his own attitude towards the enemy and towards the traitor. And if at least some respect can exist for an open enemy, then for the traitor .. you understand yourself. And in this case, when it is clear that the Ukrainian people and Ukraine as a whole will only get worse from the FTA with the EU, the question arises as to why. The answer is obvious, to annoy Russia. If this is not a betrayal, then what?
    3. morpex
      morpex 18 October 2013 22: 11
      +1
      Quote: Lindon
      Is today a special day called "Kicking Ukraine"?

      It is stable here .. laughing Any article and immediately comments on the type of RZHU NO MAGIC ... I already got ears from this neighing .. wassat
  10. major071
    major071 18 October 2013 08: 38
    14
    "who is to blame", "what to do", "who lives well in Ukraine (Rus)"

    Not an article, but a collection of works of Russian classics.
    I already said, well, here I repeat, at the moment Ukraine (the political elite) does not see itself as a friend of Russia. The people are silent, so everything suits them. Let's leave them alone, let them cook in their own juice, and then we'll see who was right. IMHO.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 10: 29
      +4
      Quote: major071
      , at present Ukraine (the political elite) does not see itself as a friend of Russia.

      Shaw, it used to be different laughing
    2. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz 18 October 2013 11: 58
      -2
      Quote: major071
      I already said, well, here I repeat, at the moment Ukraine (the political elite) does not see itself as a friend of Russia.

      1.Does the political elite of Russia see itself as a friend of Ukraine?
      2. Does the political elite of Russia see itself as a friend of Russia?
      1. Sochi
        Sochi 18 October 2013 19: 50
        +2
        The top of Russia sees itself without Russia, only now it cannot exist without Russia and is unable.
  11. HAM
    HAM 18 October 2013 08: 44
    +4
    The title of the article is incorrect, it should be called tolerant - "Ukroevropeysky s ... h".
    1. yastr
      yastr 22 October 2013 14: 40
      0
      Great Ukrainians. bogaga :) What just do not come up :)
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  13. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 18 October 2013 08: 50
    +2
    Well, now Russia has found out exactly who to give money to to promote its interests !!!
  14. Selevc
    Selevc 18 October 2013 08: 58
    19
    Association with the EU will eventually become a concrete real problem for many Ukrainians ... And also for many it will amount to ruin and impoverishment ...
    Already, many firms in the East of Ukraine supplying products to Russia have simply become !!! Further, the market will be more and more flooded with products from Europe to the level of the economy of which Ukraine is like cancer before Kiev ...
    There have never been any serious investments from Europe (and so there is only one appearance), but the remnants of Soviet industry will successfully succeed ...
    I think if everything goes on like this in 5-10 years, Ukraine will be cleaned up to zero !!! - it will become the Wild Field again - the land of overgrown fields and ghost towns !!!
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 18 October 2013 10: 12
      +8
      Quote: Selevc
      Already, many firms in the East of Ukraine supplying products to Russia have simply become !!!

      Today a story about the Kharkov Tractor Plant flashed on TV. It stopped because the supply of components from Russia stopped, as I understand it, primarily from Yaroslavl diesel engines. Three thousand workers were sent home. This plant is in the Kharkov region. the main payer of taxes.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 10: 31
        +5
        Quote: bistrov.
        It stopped because the supply of components from Russia stopped, as I understand it, primarily from Yaroslavl diesel engines. Three thousand workers were sent home.

        It's okay, now the EU will fill up the plant with orders and it will flourish as never before. The first swallow, so to speak.
        1. Kars
          Kars 18 October 2013 10: 36
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          It's okay, now the EU is blocked

          Again, vimzhu you have a lack of logic. If it is true that it is written, then it was RUSSIA that stopped the supply of engines. Maybe we should not remember Europe, but think (at least to whom I am talking) about the reason for the termination of the supply of components. Does Ukraine not allow them to pass through customs?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 11: 07
            +7
            Quote: Kars
            Again vimzhu you have a lack of logic

            What logic do you still need? It was said in an open text that upon signing with the EU, the market will be closed, there will be retaliatory measures. What is not clear. For you personally, I already wrote this today ...Russian Ambassador to Ukraine: Russia will refuse from Ukrainian goods..
            He explained that those components that were produced in Ukraine will be produced in Russia.

            “Now this is already happening in the field of car building, helicopter engines ... That is, the process is inevitable, but it takes time,” summed up M. Zurabov.
            news.mail.ru/inworld/ukraina/global/112/politics/15243929/
            1. Kars
              Kars 18 October 2013 11: 15
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              ? It was said in an open text that upon signing with the EU, the market will be closed, there will be retaliatory measures

              You didn't show once again how smart you are.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Russian Ambassador to Ukraine: Russia will give up Ukrainian goods ..

              ))) I knew that Nikatin badly affects the brain.)))
              Quote: bistrov.
              It stopped because the supply of components from Russia stopped, as I understand it, primarily from Yaroslavl diesels

              For those in the brewed submarine.
              RF-Russia ____ stopped _____ deliveries ,,, To Ukraine.))))
              Why? Because ONLY RUSSIA benefits from the deterioration of the economic situation in Ukraine. And here Bistrov (by the way, Putinolyub) gave proof of this. Although those who are able to think and analyze this have long been clear. In Ukraine, there are only communists who want to Lenin, and do not understand That the Russian Federation is not the USSR and Medveput is not Stalin.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 12: 55
                +4
                Quote: Kars
                You didn't show once again how smart you are.

                But where do I care about you. And in general we are all like that in Russia.
                Quote: Kars

                ))) I knew that Nikatin is bad for the brain.))

                Tell your politicians
                Quote: Kars
                For those in the brewed submarine.

                For those in the tank. Instead of writing that the EU is beneficial for Ukraine, well, go ahead with the song.
                Quote: Kars
                Because ONLY RUSSIA benefits from the deterioration of the ECONOMIC SITUATION in Ukraine

                Don't worry, the EU will come, the EU will save you. You will live yak in paradise
                1. Kars
                  Kars 18 October 2013 12: 59
                  +4
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  But where do I care about you

                  What yes then yes.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Anyway, we are all like that in Russia

                  Here you are mistaken, but the Great Russians and sympathizers like you are not smart.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  for those in the tank. Instead of writing that the EU is beneficial for Ukraine, well, go ahead with the song.

                  Are you trying to evade Slits? a smoker. What does the EU have to do with it in this case?
                  Quote: Kars

                  For those in the brewed submarine.
                  RF-Russia ____ stopped _____ deliveries ,,, To Ukraine.))))

                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Don't worry, the EU will come, the EU will save
                  The salvation of drowning in the hands of the drowning themselves.

                  Quote: Kars
                  I knew that nicatin is bad for the brain.
              2. Corsair
                Corsair 18 October 2013 13: 04
                +4
                Quote: Kars
                Why? Because ONLY RUSSIA IS FAVORABLE TO DECREASE THE ECONOMIC SITUATION in Ukraine.

                For such "shock therapy" Ukraine will still be grateful when the European Union "takes concretely" for your economy.
                What is happening at the moment in the sphere of mutual relations between the Russian Federation and Ukraine is "baby talk", in comparison with HOW the European structures will act with you ...
                1. Kars
                  Kars 18 October 2013 13: 12
                  +2
                  Quote: Corsair
                  and such "shock therapy" Ukraine will still be grateful

                  well done.
                  Quote: Corsair
                  baby talk ", in comparison with HOW the European structures will act with you ...

                  No, it will be difficult for them to surpass you.
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 18 October 2013 14: 10
                    +1
                    Quote: Kars
                    No, it will be difficult for them to surpass you.

                    You must understand that Russia cannot be surpassed by anyone and in whatever it may be, especially in defending interests.
                    On this and stand ...

                    Quote: Kars
                    well done.

                    I don’t understand your enthusiasm for the prospects of "rapprochement" with the European Union and for openly screwing up relations with the Russian Federation ...
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 18 October 2013 16: 11
                      +4
                      Quote: Corsair
                      I don’t understand your enthusiasm for the prospects of "rapprochement" with the European Union and for openly screwing up relations with the Russian Federation.

                      I don’t understand why the Russian Federation decided to spoil the relations of Ukraine because of the multi-vector economic policy of Ukraine. It starts ... to press ... even at a loss (we understand that this is the goal of the Russian Federation) instead of a constructive dialogue. This shows the whole policy of the Putinids. In this case, the Russian Federation cooperates with the EU without too much trouble.
                      Quote: Corsair
                      We are more concerned with defending our interests.

                      Yes, rather not in defending their interests, but in blackmail.
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 18 October 2013 16: 28
                        +2
                        Quote: Kars
                        I do not understand why the Russian Federation decided to defile Ukraine's relations because of the multi-vector economic policy of Ukraine.

                        You are exaggerating, Russia will only kick the speculator out of its market.
                        Quote: Kars
                        At the same time, the Russian Federation cooperates with the EU without any particular problems.

                        That's right, and Russia does not need mediators for cooperation with the EU, let Ukraine be a “mediator” somewhere else.
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 17: 45
                        +2
                        Quote: Setrac
                        That's right, and Russia does not need intermediaries for cooperation with the EU

                        And most importantly, it puts on the political demands of the EU.
                    2. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 17: 43
                      +2
                      Quote: Kars
                      Yes, rather not in defending their interests, but in blackmail.

                      Here the EU, carrying out real blackmail, is pragmatism, and Russia making lucrative offers is blackmail laughing
                    3. Kars
                      Kars 18 October 2013 17: 47
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Here is the EU carrying out real blackmail is pragmatism

                      What is the blackmail? Does she force us to sign an association agreement?
                      and the Russian Federation is overrunning, it is trying to force it to enter the vehicle.

                      The EU sets requirements, and if we do not fulfill them, then nothing will change, and the Russian Federation, putting forward demands, changes the conditions,
                      You think then learn, do not be a zombie.
                    4. svp67
                      svp67 18 October 2013 17: 54
                      +2
                      Quote: Kars
                      Does it force us to sign an association agreement? No.
                      and the Russian Federation is overrunning, it is trying to force it to enter the vehicle.

                      So "FORCES or TRIES TO MAKE" You already decide ... All you have someone to blame. You were clearly told that our country DOESN'T LIKE YOUR POSITION and EVERYTHING. And they are FORCED WITH THE HELP OF FORCE, in public affairs - DIPLOMATIC or ARMED, neither that nor that has been applied to you. You pursue your benefit, we pursue our ...
                    5. svp67
                      svp67 18 October 2013 18: 01
                      +2
                      Quote: Kars
                      EU sets requirements

                      That is, they DO NOT Dictate them, but STATE them ... Well, well, don't you think that you have a "double" standard here?
                      Quote: Kars
                      and if we don’t fulfill them, nothing will change,
                      That's right, you don’t fulfill THEIR requirements and that doesn’t change anything, that is, you don’t get anything, everything is like with our country, you don’t want to fulfill our requirements and you don’t get anything either ...
                    6. svp67
                      svp67 18 October 2013 18: 27
                      +1
                      Quote: Kars
                      and the Russian Federation is overrunning, it is trying to force it to enter the vehicle.

                      The main thing that is NOT LOGIC do you see in this? We have centuries-old established communications and in order not to tear them, we are forced to do so. Establish economic ties with the EU and something will be wrong, they will do the same ...
                    7. Kars
                      Kars 18 October 2013 22: 12
                      +3
                      Quote: svp67
                      The main thing is that you see NOT LOGICAL in this?

                      What in Paradise is being dragged in. It seems like the rvats themselves should be dragged there. (Paradise is the idiom of A Ramanov)
                      Quote: svp67
                      We have centuries-old established communications and in order not to tear them, we are forced to do so.

                      so do not tear, who is forcing you?
                      Quote: svp67
                      That is, they DO NOT Dictate them, but STATE them ... Well, well, don't you think that you have a "double" standard here?

                      No, I don’t find it. We (Ukraine - hereinafter used personal pronouns to shorten the text) are given a choice-do it, don’t want to do it, there will be no changes. And the Russian Federation does not even give us the remainder of a non-aligned country.
                      Quote: svp67
                      everything is like with our country, you don’t want to fulfill our requirements and you don’t get anything either ...

                      Yes, it’s not quite so - if we do not comply with the requirements of the Russian Federation, we begin to lose.
                      Quote: svp67
                      So "FORCES or TRIES TO MAKE" You already decide

                      In fact, FORCE.
                      Quote: svp67
                      All you have is someone to blame.

                      Ukraine even bears its share of the blame.
                      Quote: svp67
                      DIPLOMATIC or ARMED, neither one nor that has been APPLIED to you

                      What are you ECONOMICALLY missing?
                      Quote: svp67
                      You pursue your benefit, we pursue ours
                      It’s only YOUR benefit, besides you, does not bring anyone else any benefit, and this is wrong from all points of view except for PUTINSKY, because the ordinary population of the Russian Federation will not feel better, and it is quite possible even a slight deterioration (this means the sanctions of the Russian Federation against Ukraine)
                    8. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 19 October 2013 04: 21
                      -1
                      Quote: Kars
                      That's just YOUR benefit besides you, no one else benefits

                      According to the adviser to the President of Russia Sergei Glazyev, due to the reduction of gas prices, the abolition of export duties and the removal of other barriers, Kiev, “having changed its mind” at the expense of the Russian budget and Gazprom, could receive $ 11-12 billion a year.www.profi-forex.org/novosti-rossii/entry1008177738.html
                      Quote: Kars
                      Yes, it’s not quite so - if we do not comply with the requirements of the Russian Federation, we begin to lose.
                      10-12 billion dollars a year. These are the losses.
                      Kars, amounts and benefits from the EU?
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              3. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 19 October 2013 04: 10
                0
                Quote: Kars

                The EU sets requirements, and if we do not fulfill them, then nothing will change

                Yeah, this is not blackmail laughing
                Quote: Kars
                , and the Russian Federation, putting forward requirements, changes the conditions,

                What are the requirements yet, what are the conditions, where did you get this.
              4. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 19 October 2013 04: 14
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                What are the requirements for

                Turn on brains fool But this is not for the current leadership. Ok ... oh sorry love Ukraine wassat
              5. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 19 October 2013 04: 15
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Yeah, this is not blackmail

                For Kars, who is in the Oplot tank, personal greetings hi wassat
  • aleksandroff
    aleksandroff 18 October 2013 13: 55
    +7
    Damn, Russia is to blame again. at least don't say anything. you don't even understand why you supplied the parts to help you. and so long and freely all this is done in Russia. and do not write any crap, just to dump and crap Russia. you've been funny for a long time. when your parliament is shown in russia, then you don’t need a humorous program, and when you listen to what decrees you have adopted (and then they’re dumped as you do in russia), it’s laughter through tears. you look at yourself more seriously, not through the prism of all sorts of crap, such as "nezalezhnosti" (in fact, underneath everyone), and do not blame all your sins and stupidity on Russia. got it already. I used to think that it was brothers, but then I realized that with people who cannot think logically, we are not on our way. you still cannot understand that russia does not need you. Russia does not need another subsidized region.
    1. Kars
      Kars 18 October 2013 16: 13
      +1
      Quote: aleksandroff
      you don't even understand why you supplied the parts in order to help you

      Really? In the form of humanitarian aid? Or maybe, all the same, they sold it. And you probably sold .. the details .. to Ukraine instead of selling them more expensively to Europe? To Kazakhstan?
      Quote: aleksandroff
      and when you listen to what decrees you accept (and then their non-fulfillment is dumped as you are in Russia)

      Can I have an example? For clarity?
      Quote: aleksandroff
      then with people who cannot think logically, we are not on the way
      After this speech you will have to prove that you can think logically.
    2. Fastblast
      Fastblast 18 October 2013 17: 50
      0
      well, from ()) * then.
      or is it that difficult?
  • Ivan Sirko
    Ivan Sirko 18 October 2013 16: 25
    0
    Yeah, Tajiks and Dagestanis will make you engines. Well, yes, there are also Azeibarjans.
  • MG42
    MG42 18 October 2013 13: 58
    +3
    Quote: bistrov.
    Today, a plot about the Kharkov Tractor Plant flashed on TV. It stopped because the supply of components from Russia stopped, as I understand it, primarily from Yaroslavl diesel engines.

    KhTZ is a joint-stock company at the moment, as far as I know, there is a controlling stake in the hands of Russian shareholders ... Strange ..
  • Gecko
    Gecko 18 October 2013 17: 55
    0
    The largest Ukrainian manufacturer of tractors - the Kharkov Tractor Plant (KhTZ) - stops work from October 18 due to the suspension from October 9 at the customs terminal of the Kharkov customs of declarations of the main suppliers of KhTZ - Russian enterprises, said Deputy General Director of the plant Yuri Malakhov.
  • saag
    saag 18 October 2013 09: 12
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    But it will become a powerful state in the EU. Not, well, in comparison with the Baltic states they will really be powerful, even in the army and comparisons will be in their favor.

    Well, it still needs to be seen, before they were offered to cut tanks for a million, now after joining they - the Ukrainians will do it by order and at their own expense
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 18 October 2013 09: 16
    24
    Meaningless and merciless osric


    The Svidomites themselves give a reason for it every day, then a new crazy song ...
    For example, another unique invention
    During the Soviet era, Ukraine purposefully pursued a policy of pumping oil and gas reserves from the bowels in the interests of Moscow.
    This was stated at a meeting of the Verkhovna Rada by deputy Andrei Ilyenko from the nationalist party "Svoboda".
    “Just Ukraine was occupied by the Soviet Union, then it was from Ukraine that natural gas and oil were pumped out so that there was almost nothing left. All the time they fed Moscow for these resources, fed Russia to the very outskirts, fed puppets and communist parties around the world: in Africa and Asia, the communist regimes were terrorist in all parts of the world. This is what Ukrainian natural resources were used for. And now they are telling us how good it was under the Soviet regime. ”

    link
    Again, in style, all the fat was eaten and the seeds were hatched. Do people in Ukraine believe such nonsense? So brainwashed that even such clowns were elected to the Rada, which, in my opinion, was not even with Yushch.
  • BBM
    BBM 18 October 2013 09: 25
    -20 qualifying.
    I'm just bachu here just a hideout for the priestly Ukrainophobes. You look at yourself then look and then impute to someone.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 10: 33
      10
      Quote: BBM
      You look at yourself then look and then impute to someone.

      Yes, we can and see, we have mirrors and money to buy them too.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 18 October 2013 14: 23
      0
      Quote: BBM
      я bach here just a refuge for the fucked Ukrainophobes. You look at yourself, then look at someone.

      Surzhik? Introduce mov, chanovny! wink
  • Vld
    Vld 18 October 2013 09: 26
    11
    To be honest, I'm tired of provocative materials about Ukraine, it would be much more interesting to publish this translation of a Chinese newspaper - "Six wars in which China should participate in the next 50 years" article on warfiles.ru, there is a very interesting piece about the war with Russia, here where there is something to discuss. There is so much negativity right there that it’s just a shame to read the comments, and it’s not clear how the site administration allows visitors of this resource to insult the neighboring state.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 18 October 2013 09: 37
      +4
      in fact, the pupil can be diluted without particularly straining. The other day, too, an interesting moment was:
      Bob Arum, head of the US-based top Rank promotion company, urged journalists and boxing fans not to make mistakes, calling the two-time Olympic champion in the Ukrainian national team Vasily Lomachenko Russian.

      “We are mistakenly mixing everything together. Let's say that Gennady Golovkin has Russian blood, but he is not Russian, he is Kazakh. Vasily Zhirov is also Kazakh. And Lomachenko is Ukrainian, and if you call him Russian, he will hit you, ”Arum said.

      as a result, 452 comments of a sound such a survey))
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 18 October 2013 17: 28
        +1
        No one will call him Russian, Russian will spit in his face.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 18 October 2013 19: 51
          +1
          Well, for example, I’m Russian and I’m not going to give a damn. What kind of Russians are you talking about? And most importantly, why should they spit on him, and even in the Muzzle?
    2. bistrov.
      bistrov. 18 October 2013 10: 03
      +1
      Quote: Vld
      how the site administration allows you to insult the neighboring state to visitors of this resource.

      They just call a spade a spade.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 10: 33
      +3
      Quote: Vld
      Honestly tired of provocative materials about Ukraine,

      Ukraine itself is a provocation.
      1. georg737577
        georg737577 18 October 2013 12: 56
        +2
        Romanov, not ham ...
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 18 October 2013 13: 36
          +5
          Quote: georg737577
          Romanov, not ham ...

          He put it mildly request Artificial government education imagines itself a power wassat Misunderstanding on the world map
    4. washi
      washi 18 October 2013 12: 46
      +3
      Quote: Vld
      it is unclear how the site administration allows visitors of this resource to insult the neighboring state.

      This territory is an artificial state created after the 1917 revolution, then supported by the Central Committee of the RSDLP after the October 1917 revolution (by the way, contrary to Stalin's opinion). Both revolutions were carried out on the money of the British (proofs are already in many books, I will not list).
      The flag of this state is the flag of the rear units of the Swedish king Karl 12.
      Coat of arms - a stylized image of an attacking falcon. This coat of arms belonged to the Russian princes - the Rurikovichs, to whom the present southwestern outskirts (the former wild field (for the most part) that had begun to settle after the destruction of the Crimean Khanate by Russians) of the Russian state have nothing to do with it.
      In general, nonsense - to call the state o (y) kraina. Whose Outskirts? Turkey, Poland, Russia, Belarus, Moldova ???
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 18 October 2013 14: 27
        +2
        Quote: Vasya
        The flag of this state is the flag of the rear units of the Swedish king Karl 12.
    5. Setrac
      Setrac 18 October 2013 12: 53
      +3
      Quote: Vld
      and it is not clear how the site administration allows visitors of this resource to insult the neighboring state.

      The Ukrainian government itself insults itself and the Ukrainian people with its actions and statements, on this resource they only state a fact.
    6. Avenger711
      Avenger711 18 October 2013 17: 30
      +2
      Yeah, funny little article. Only China, having resolved the issue with Taiwan, for which no one will harness, since they do not recognize it, will continue to shake it off from all its neighbors, especially since India, Vietnam and Russia are very convenient to be friends against it.
    7. BBM
      BBM 18 October 2013 20: 29
      -4
      Quote: Vld
      and it is not clear how the site administration allows visitors of this resource to insult the neighboring state.

      do not wag. Better to be honest - not visitors, but real. Tru-kondovoe racial. And if it seriously expects that someone is in a hurry to get into allies or (God forbid) into satellites, then this is only their problem.
    8. morpex
      morpex 18 October 2013 22: 37
      +1
      Quote: Vld
      Honestly tired of provocative materials about Ukraine,

      Do you imagine how boring a site will become without such statues? And the site administration understands this perfectly .. And to be honest, it’s interesting to read the comments of some individuals about Ukraine here. There are PERLES! Download it! laughing good
  • saag
    saag 18 October 2013 09: 26
    +2
    Quote: Ascetic
    “That's just Ukraine was occupied by the Soviet Union

    It seems that in Kazakhstan they say the truth about colonization, but from the very top
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 18 October 2013 11: 40
      0
      Colonization and the colonial policy of tsarism were even mentioned in Soviet textbooks.
      1. 6 sunrise 9
        6 sunrise 9 18 October 2013 12: 39
        +8
        What bloody colonialists, schools and universities built and forced free Kazakhs to study ... that's the horror. wassat
        Maybe it was necessary with you as with the Indians in the United States? Like there are no Kazakhs, no problems?
      2. Avenger711
        Avenger711 18 October 2013 13: 00
        +4
        Well, in fact, it is certain that when Stalin, after the Victory, raised a toast for the Russian people, it was clearly possible to connect a generator to Ilyich in the movzole. There were enough idiots after the revolution, and not all of their idiocies were corrected. The same article on the withdrawal from the Union had to be deleted from the Constitution already in the 50s, because there is no information.
      3. washi
        washi 18 October 2013 13: 09
        +5
        Quote: Zymran
        Colonization and the colonial policy of tsarism were even mentioned in Soviet textbooks.

        Soviet history textbooks on Kazakhstan spoke of helping Kazakhs repel the constant attacks of the Dzungars. About Kazakhs who were able to make a career in the Russian army. About the creation of their written language and Kazakh poets who could write not in Arabic, but in Kazakh.
        Well, then industrialization, general education, etc.
        In modern Kazakh textbooks, the interpretation is different: paleness came, kicked Kazakhs out of traditional pastures, built smelly factories, instead of feeling the purity and beauty of the steppes, they forced them to study and live in stone houses. And also wash and grow some plants on our lands. And there is nowhere for the unfortunate Kazakh to ride his stallion, and the stallion was taken away by giving instead of him a stinking cart on 4 wheels. And our Great Ancestors dispensed with herd without wheels. These are the traitors who converted to Islam and settled on the ground at the behest of the Khan of Uzbekistan, should work, and the pale-faced people who have ruined our Great Steppe, and We should lead the children of the steppes.
        Well, somewhere like that. The last time has calmed down because the Kazakhs realized that if the last Russians left, there would be no one to work. Therefore, they take care of them and try not to offend.
        Well somewhere
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 18 October 2013 17: 33
          +2
          If something needs to be remembered to take from China what Khrushchev handed over to Kazakhstan, as in the 39th they took a piece of the future square from Hitler, where the ancestors of today's Svidomo psheki were not considered people.
      4. kotvov
        kotvov 18 October 2013 18: 18
        +1
        we mow under the Indian, we understand. And you won't get compensation for one x..n.
      5. Sochi
        Sochi 18 October 2013 20: 11
        +2
        in Soviet textbooks? but nothing that the history of the vanquished is written by the winner? and that the Russian Empire came there to stop the barbaric raids on its territory. Learn history not from modern textbooks ... if you wish, you will find a bunch of articles on the internet.
    2. Essenger
      Essenger 18 October 2013 14: 50
      +3
      saag change your flag to soviet
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 18 October 2013 09: 55
    12
    What will the union with the vehicle bring in the mind of a simple Ukrainian? Everything will be the same, only it will be necessary to work more and come. The increase in trade and the absence of visas for the majority is a kind of abstraction, there are no visas anyway, and turnover is not our business at all. In addition, the image of Russia - Putin, with Stalin's mustache, devours babies and is clearly about to take our everything, especially fat.
    What will the union with the EU give, but ordinary people think that there will be a union. There are no visas with Europe, they will buy everything of ours in large quantities at a higher price, and then we have not been to Europe yet, they say it is beautiful and very prestigious there, and then the childhood dream to see Paris. There will be almost no need to work, because the salaries will be gigantic. And most importantly, the image of Europe is such a smart and kind uncle who will come and do everyone well, and we will all live like in Europe, sweet and serene. It is clear when the tariffs for a communal apartment rise ten times, and the prices for everything else increase five times. When there is nowhere to work, for normal work in Europe, you will need a language and still a visa, and you can't go to Russia because of visas either, many will start to clear up in their heads, but not much, and not for long, because they are to blame for everything, oddly enough, they will immediately announce Russia.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 18 October 2013 10: 13
    21
    Hello everyone!
    Firstly, I appeal to the guys from Ukraine. Do not be offended by articles about Ukraine. They are all taken from Ukrainian resources. Take a closer look at the links where it came from. We write about ourselves like this, and neighbors in Russia need to know who they are dealing with.
    Secondly, I strongly disagree with Lunev in the sense that the pro-Russian forces are doing nothing at all. If they did nothing at all, then we would have neither antifa, nor rallies to support the communists, nor veneration of the heroes of the Second World War. All would be destroyed by "hefty conscious". Yes, the Communist Party of Ukraine does not currently represent a significant force in the Rada. But more and more people are now inclined to think that they will need to vote for them next time, because so far only they are not backing down from their election promises. By the way, here is the explanation of the PR and Yanukovych's sudden love for the EU.
    "According to the Communist MP, if an Association Agreement is signed with the EU in Vilnius, most likely immediately after the summit, the government will begin to implement a set of unpopular measures: raise utility rates, devalue the hryvnia, release prices, thereby covering the $ 100 billion deficit the state budget.
    “And with all this, the authorities will blame the demands of the EU, nod at the opposition, and at the very population, who stood up for a course to Europe, surprised at their criticism and discontent:“ We have something to do with it, you yourself wanted it ?! ” “That's the whole secret of the“ strategic choice of Ukraine ”from the Party of Regions," summed up Spiridon Kilinkarov.
    http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/237766
    As for the referendum, it is already forbidden to hold it for the second time, however, the authorities have come to their senses and are proposing a referendum for the EU. Let them try, and then we'll see.
  • Kars
    Kars 18 October 2013 10: 17
    +2
    anti-nationalist front to all political forces? If about 50% of Ukrainians support the idea of ​​rapprochement with Russia,


    If honestly he just finishes off If against Russia then a nationalist, if for cooperation with Europe - a nationalist, if against the great imperial Putinism - a nationalist, and not just a nationalist, namely a Galician, and a fascist / national socialist)
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 10: 44
      +9
      Quote: Kars
      If honestly just finishes

      Kars, who? Or this chase in a helmet with a swastika for Russia.
      1. Kars
        Kars 18 October 2013 10: 48
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Kars, who?

        Patriot of Ukraine.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Or this chase in a helmet with a swastika for Russia.

        Who knows, and you asked him?

        And who is this, by the way?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 10: 55
          +3
          Quote: Kars
          Patriot of Ukraine.

          a patriot of Ukraine, well, well, a patriot loves his homeland, not the EU.
          Quote: Kars
          Who knows, and you asked him?

          And you are like blind or lost glasses.
          Quote: Kars
          And who is this, by the way?

          Same as the one in the helmet
          1. Kars
            Kars 18 October 2013 10: 57
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            a patriot of ukraine, well, well, a patriot loves his homeland,

            And in your understanding, also Russia? Yes, it is her?))
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And you are like blind or lost glasses.

            I'm not blind, and the glasses are in place. But maybe this is a friend of those in my photo.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Same as the one in the helmet

            Here I am about the same thing, otherwise the Russians)))
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 11: 25
              +4
              Quote: Kars
              And in your understanding, also Russia? Yes, it is her?))

              Ukraine is part of Russia, Russia is part of Ukraine, and it has always been so and you can be sure it will be!
              Quote: Kars
              yes? exactly her?))

              Only the EU can receive a sincere declaration of love from you.
              Quote: Kars
              .But maybe this is a friend of those in my photo.

              Come on, under the flag of UNSO, don't make my sneakers laugh. Are not Russian Nazis coming to Ukraine to carry out torchlight processions in honor of Bandera?
              Quote: Kars

              Here I am about the same thing, otherwise the Russians)))

              One problem is that the Russian Natsiks consider Ukraine a fraternal people, while the Ukrainians killed Russian soldiers in Chechnya.
              1. Kars
                Kars 18 October 2013 11: 31
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Ukraine is part of Russia

                Ukraine is an independent gosudarsto.Although it is clear from your hysteria that you do not need it.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Only the EU can receive a sincere declaration of love from you.

                Well why, I am in favor of multi-vector and mutually beneficial cooperation, from Ecuador to China, and even not against economic relations with Russia. Only without politics. Money-commodity-money.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Come on, under the UNSO flag, don't make my sneakers laugh

                You know better, this topic is closer to you.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                One problem, Russian Natsiks consider Ukraine a fraternal people

                These are their problems.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                and the Ukrainians killed Russian soldiers in Chechnya

                The Russians also killed the Russians in Chechnya, sold weapons to the Chechens, some commanders sold their soldiers in slavery to the Chechens. So what's so surprising.
                And especially after the current history of the Crimea, I can even believe that when Korchinskty told that they fought in Chechnya so that Russia would not have the opportunity to go to Crimea, flattery, he was telling the truth.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 11: 39
                  +2
                  Quote: Kars

                  Ukraine is an independent state.

                  Well, this is not for long, and believe me.
                  Quote: Kars
                  .only without politics.

                  Are you living in the 17th century.
                  Quote: Kars
                  You know better, this topic is closer to you.

                  And you prefer not to notice what is visible.
                  Quote: Kars
                  that they fought in Chechnya so that Russia would not have the opportunity to go to Crimea, flattery, he was telling the truth.

                  As you can see, he himself did not participate.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 18 October 2013 12: 55
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Well, this is not for long, and believe me.

                    Hike forever. And believe you? A man with a lack of logic?
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Are you living in the 17th century.

                    It’s Putin who lives there.
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    And you prefer not to notice the visible

                    These are everywhere, but you make a huge problem out of ours, and you belittle yours.
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    As you can see, he himself did not participate.

                    Is this a question or a statement? And more on tepe and you like it is noticeable. By the way, the antics of the Russian Federation and putinoidav had a good effect on increasing the rating of the Svoboda party.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 13: 02
                      +4
                      Quote: Kars
                      Hike forever.

                      The Germans who came to Ukraine in 1941, also said that they had come forever.
                      Quote: Kars
                      And believe you? A man with a lack of logic?

                      Don't trust, trust the emissaries from the EU
                      Quote: Kars
                      It is Putin who lives there

                      Ha, that's a joke laughing You wrote no politics, so tell this to the ambassadors from the EU, who put your politicians in cancer. By the way, Timokh will soon be released, do not forget to buy flowers. Do not contradict the EU.
                      Quote: Kars
                      They are everywhere

                      Just not about the west, there you have paradise.
                      Quote: Kars
                      .By the way, the antics of the Russian Federation and putinoidav had a good effect on increasing the rating of the Svoboda party.

                      It's clear who you voted for.
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 18 October 2013 16: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        The Germans who came to Ukraine in 1941, also said that they had come forever.

                        But the Germans came with weapons in their hands, and we were here from the beginning. And everything was done legally, including the recognition from the international community (by the way, another failure of your logic, and also showed the poverty of fantasy)
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Don't trust, trust the emissaries from the EU

                        And I won't believe you, but you can objectively prove the lies of the Emisars from the EU.
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        You wrote no politics, so tell this to the ambassadors from the EU, who put your politicians in cancer

                        Can you give us what exactly the politicians are being put in your favorite position? The fact that they demand fair elections? Or fair justice? The fight against corruption?

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Just not about the west, there you have paradise.

                        Can you confirm what I said? I personally say that you are a liar. And in the west, by the way, there are such too. Your colleagues.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        It's clear who you voted for.

                        You, as usual, la-zhanulsya. I didn’t vote for freedom because I didn’t vote for their interpretation of WWII history, and radicalism. Moreover, I’m Russian-speaking, and I speak Ukrainian language very badly.
                2. Corsair
                  Corsair 18 October 2013 14: 40
                  +5
                  Quote: Kars
                  The Russians also killed the Russians in Chechnya, sold weapons to the Chechens, some commanders sold their soldiers in slavery to the Chechens. So what's so surprising.


                  Quote: Kars
                  Ukraine is an independent state


                  Here it is not even surprising, but disgusting!
                  I practically figured out the scumbags who raised weapons against our people, BUT WHAT HAVE THE CEREALS WITH SKIDNESS done in the Czech Republic?
                  Your state did not give this fact a proper assessment, which in itself is a reflection of ill will ...
                3. Essenger
                  Essenger 18 October 2013 15: 13
                  +5
                  Quote: Kars
                  Ukraine is an independent state.

                  The founding country of the UN, no one doubts. and what will or will not be in the imaginations of individual people is not important. There are marginals everywhere.
              2. BBM
                BBM 18 October 2013 20: 38
                +1
                listen you yap subkodnoe. Ukrainian mercenaries fought on both sides (first) with the majority on the side of the federal. In the second, on the side of the Nokhchi, they fought just really completely finished thugs who were not seen to have finished off even in the first and they were a mere scanty.
                1. Essenger
                  Essenger 18 October 2013 21: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: BBM
                  In the second, on the side of the Nokhchi, there were just really downright thugs fighting

                  is this dmitro korchinsky scumbag? for me he is a very competent dude.
                  1. BBM
                    BBM 19 October 2013 20: 55
                    +1
                    Pan Dmitro wassat the problem is that he is a paid provocateur of the FSB (and he almost does not hide this). That is why he was flooded from UNSO. So I warn you in advance that if you are recruited by the BROTHERHOOD to fight the bloody regime, then 100%, if you agree, you will find yourself in this very regime in jail.
                    As they say, the best way to kill the mafia is to lead it.
                    1. Essenger
                      Essenger 20 October 2013 09: 52
                      +2
                      Quote: BBM
                      So I warn you in advance that if you are recruited by the BROTHERHOOD to fight the bloody regime, then 100%, if you agree, you will find yourself in this very regime in jail.

                      Look at my flag))) Why do I need to fight the regime in Ukraine?
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 18 October 2013 13: 04
              -2
              Quote: Kars
              I'm not blind, and the glasses are in place.

              Somehow it does not fit, if everything is in a beam with vision - then why are glasses?
              1. Kars
                Kars 18 October 2013 13: 11
                +3
                Quote: Setrac
                Somehow it does not fit, if everything is in a beam with vision - then why are glasses?

                You just proved it))
                Quote: Kars
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Anyway, we are all like that in Russia
                Here you are mistaken, but the Great Russians and sympathizers like you are not smart.



                and even added - what a high level of erudition. Not blind ---- this does not mean that with vision everything is a beam, and glasses are not necessary for the blind as such. But all the same, thanks for showing a high level of intellectual development of his category of local users.
                1. 12061973
                  12061973 18 October 2013 14: 09
                  -1
                  Kars came out Prince Sangushko, and I'll put you a plus sign laughing
      2. 12061973
        12061973 18 October 2013 10: 50
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Kars, who? Or this chase in a helmet with a swastika for Russia

        most likely a reenactor invited for money
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 10: 52
          10
          Quote: 12061973
          most likely a reenactor invited for money

          Reconstructor of what, UPA victories over the Soviet army? Or maybe those who kick our flag were also invited for money.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 18 October 2013 10: 59
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Reconstructor of what, UPA victories over the Soviet army? Or maybe those who kick our flag were also invited for money.

            They got a ride over their ears, injected a virus about their own exclusivity. This is the fastest way to make people angry.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 11: 26
              +3
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              They got a ride on their ears

              And judging by the comments of Kars, it is quite successful.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 18 October 2013 11: 33
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And judging by the comments of Kars, more than successful.

                The child always protects his mother, even when she is a girl from the avenue. Ukraine is his mother, but I don't really like my stepfather.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 11: 40
                  +5
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Ukraine is his mother, but I don't really like my stepfather.

                  His mother was the USSR, and this is a stepmother.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 18 October 2013 12: 08
                    +3
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    His mother was the USSR, and this is a stepmother.

                    The USSR was a father who held the whole family in a fist.
                    1. Corsair
                      Corsair 18 October 2013 14: 47
                      +5
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      The USSR was a father who held the whole family in a fist.

                      HEAD family, but how else?
                      That the USSR has disappeared and SOMETHING to tame and pull the kids ... request
          2. Alekseev
            Alekseev 18 October 2013 11: 48
            +6
            Alexander, throw Kars controversy!
            With the same success you could convince the deaf-blind-mute of something.
            This patriot responds to any argument as Fyodor from the immortal novel ... smile
            On the merits, my opinion is.
            It is necessary, necessary and, accordingly, to finance this process to convince and agitate for integration with Russia. Of course, the people must "mature" in order to demand it from their rulers. And we need to help the process. This is what all interested parties always do.
            After all, "fat" false patriots are not asleep!
            Ukraine, on the other hand, is not at all in information isolation; almost everyone (more or less advanced) broadcasts Russian TV and the Internet in cities.
            So it is necessary to show and tell sensibly, without hysteria, to give a "shock" to nationalistic fabrications.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 October 2013 12: 02
              +2
              Quote: Alekseev
              So it is necessary to show and tell sensibly, without hysteria, to give a "shock" to nationalistic fabrications.

              I'm tired of chewing the same thing for them without hysteria ten times in a row. hi
          3. 12061973
            12061973 18 October 2013 14: 01
            0
            I mean that pretzel in the helmet, I don't know about these, but I think there are paid ones too.
    2. Cristall
      Cristall 18 October 2013 22: 20
      +3
      * If a Russian loves Russia, he is a patriot. If a Ukrainian loves Ukraine, he is a terry Bandera nationalist.
      * If a Russian says "khokhol" - he kindly sneers at the representative of the fraternal people. If a Ukrainian says "b", he thereby reveals his nationalist, anti-Russian essence.
      * If a Russian rally - he defends his interests. If a Ukrainian is rallying, he will work off American money paid to him for anti-Russian purposes.
      * If the Russian president communicates with the American president, he builds relations between the two countries. If the Ukrainian president communicates with the American president, they both weave an anti-Russian conspiracy.
      * If Russian speaks Russian, it is simply Russian. If a Ukrainian speaks the Ukrainian language, he is Petliura unfinished.
      * If the president of Russia declares pro-Russian slogans, this is a normal president. If the president of Ukraine declares pro-Ukrainian slogans - he is a pro-American and anti-Russian president.
      something like this.
      commonly called double standards.
      Now the idea of ​​instilling that Russia is always to blame for us-Ukrainians is actively promoted. I'm already starting to joke at work - I ask the driver a question - Why didn't I pass the waybills? Is Russia to blame? Putin or what?) Or did he stumble himself?
      I have not heard anywhere in the city that Russia is to blame - we ourselves know who is to blame.
      1. morpex
        morpex 18 October 2013 23: 48
        -1
        Quote: Cristall
        commonly called double standards.

        Bravo! Not in the eyebrow but in the eye! Respect to you. hi
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 19 October 2013 00: 20
        -1
        If a Russian loves Russia, he is a patriot; if a Ukrainian loves Ukraine, he will not allow his country to be drawn into the EU, which is harmful to all Slavs.
        If a Ukrainian says "ka c ap" - he is trying to offend the Russians, although for Russians this is not an insult, if a Russian says "ho x ol" - well, you said yourself - he is ironic.
        If a Russian is at war, he defends his interests and the interests of his allies; if a Ukrainian is at war, he shoots the Russians in the back.
        If the Russian president communicates with the American one, the deployment of missile defense systems in Europe is at stake, if the Ukrainian president is talking about the destruction of Ukrainian weapons.
        If Russian speaks Russian - just Russian, if Ukrainian speaks Ukrainian - this is Russian, who is forced to speak the language of a non-existent nation.
        About slogans - what they ate then pooped, what slogans - such is the president - pro-American and anti-Russian.
        I am such "if" you are now composing a small brochure, I will pay attention, not copy-paste.
        Quote: Cristall
        commonly called double standards.

        Stop using double standards.
    3. yastr
      yastr 22 October 2013 15: 29
      0
      There are no nationalists in Ukraine, there are only Russophobes.
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 18 October 2013 10: 23
    +3
    Russia must increase funding for pro-Russian organizations in Ukraine and guide their work more decisively, rather than overseeing them.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 18 October 2013 11: 32
      0
      Quote: bistrov.
      Russia must increase funding for pro-Russian organizations in Ukraine and guide their work more decisively, rather than overseeing them.

      It is necessary to adopt the experience of the United States and raise pro-Russian politicians for something new, let it be longer, but probably more effective ... They put on Yaneka in due time and what they got ...
    2. washi
      washi 18 October 2013 13: 26
      +2
      Quote: bistrov.
      Russia must increase funding for pro-Russian organizations in Ukraine and guide their work more decisively, rather than overseeing them.

      Traditional Russian trait: the more you can't, the more you want. The more our people say that it is not worth going to the EU, the more the residents of the outskirts want (they are Russians). Let them go in slender columns.
      Until the child understands that you can burn yourself against the fire, he is drawn to the fire, because it is beautiful. The people called "Ukrainians" are still a child, they had not heard anything about them until the 20th century. Let EVERYONE try, but then No separate state. They have not yet reached the age of majority
  • MG42
    MG42 18 October 2013 10: 29
    14
    Quote: Kars
    If honestly he just finishes off If against Russia then a nationalist, if for cooperation with Europe - a nationalist, if against the great imperial Putinism - a nationalist, and not just a nationalist, namely a Galician, and a fascist / national socialist)

    It’s a pity that you won’t get the car at all, hid in emergencies from all serious opponents, from under the silence you throw only topics on the site about Hitler’s scythe, you posted 100% cheap clown ..
    Ukrogramotnost teacher on the site though your mistakes are deliberate, you specifically troll the Russian language on the site, even a schoolboy will not make such mistakes as you have in the comments
    1. rolik
      rolik 18 October 2013 10: 57
      +2
      Quote: MG42
      hid in an emergency

      And, I apologize, what is this emergency?
      1. MG42
        MG42 18 October 2013 11: 09
        +8
        Black list.
        Well, since such a topic has passed, then on Monday 14 October 2013 g. passed the UPA march in Kiev, collected more 25 000 participants they passed including along Khreshchatyk
        I will translate slogans Ukraine for Ukrainians, down with foreigners, Bandera will come to order, hang communists = in Ukrainian commies on gillak
        Most of all, the grandfather in the UPA uniform with the MP-40 was walking along Khreshchatyk, this had not happened before
        I cut this photo from the video ..
        1. MG42
          MG42 18 October 2013 11: 17
          +3
          Here is a video of the UPA march itself on October 14, 2013, while watching the video this crowd cannot see the edge by the flags of freedom, there were many people, evaluate the radical slogans yourself >>
          Burned and trampled red flags too



          I will enlarge the photo of the MP-40 and you can see a badge with a trident, by the way, my grandfather has a ring on his other hand, very similar to German .. this is 19 minutes video ..

          At the end of the video, there is a brave act of 2 communists with red flags on the balcony, they turned on <get up, the country is huge!> To this crowd, the crowd greeted them with gestures ..
          1. Realist58
            Realist58 18 October 2013 19: 02
            0
            Well, WHAT ???
            Another LGBT action, this will not surprise Europe.
            1. MG42
              MG42 18 October 2013 19: 22
              +3
              Quote: Realist58
              Well, WHAT ???
              Another LGBT action

              No gay pride parade in Kiev was guarded by a special police unit <berkut>
              Quote: Realist58
              Tim will not surprise Europe.

              Freedom seems to have been excluded by the European Natsiks from their union, of course they are not really needed there, but officially freedom supports European integration and Tyagnibok in particular ..
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 18 October 2013 15: 52
          +2
          Quote: MG42
          gathered more than 25 000 participants

          This is only according to the Svobodovites - 25 thousand. In total, according to the police, there were 5 thousand. Moreover, the Svobodovites announced 20 of thousands, and then complained that many did not come, they were slowed down in places. And the video sequence can be conveyed ... it all depends on the experience of the operator and the order.
          1. MG42
            MG42 18 October 2013 15: 59
            +1
            Quote: Egoza
            This is only according to Svobodovites - 25 thousand. In total, according to the police, there were 5 thousand. Moreover, the Svoboda activists announced 20 thousand, and then complained that many did not come

            good day, Elena! I didn’t think of 25 at all, there are many sources, even the details were printed, the police always underestimate the figures, this is well known
            On October 14, a march took place in Kiev in honor of the 71st anniversary of the creation of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), which gathered a record number of participants in all the years.
            The organizers of the march - VO "Svoboda" - managed to gather a record number of participants (about 25 thousand people) and for the first time since 2005 walk along Khreshchatyk.


            http://www.kommersant.ua/doc/2320238

            http://lb.ua/news/2013/10/15/233546_marsh_upa_kieve_sobral_rekordnoe.html
            Watch this video
      2. Kars
        Kars 18 October 2013 11: 24
        +1
        It’s a pity that you won’t get the car at all, hid in emergencies from all serious opponents, from under the silence you throw only topics on the site about Hitler’s scythe, you posted 100% cheap clown ..
        Ukrogramotnost teacher on the site, even though your mistakes are deliberate, you specifically troll the Russian language on the site, even a student will not make such mistakes as you have in the comments


        By the way, a fascist in your last posts that I saw, you are already getting the Great Russian aplomb. There have been breakthroughs.

        As for the emergency - I see you unblocked me.)))

        As for spelling, I have repeatedly written that when a user loses and has nothing to say, he starts citing for spelling, although before that he answered with foam at the mouth, despite spelling errors.

        And in emergency situations, I bring in inadequate users with whom it makes no sense to say much (I will make an exception for you fascist) and about the seriousness - if someone is interested in communication, that remains, if people like you))))


        By the way, an article about you today
        http://topwar.ru/34624-pila-gitlera-i-ee-nasledniki-ot-mg42-do-mg3.html
        1. Kars
          Kars 18 October 2013 11: 37
          +3

          Come on, tell your grandmother, you know which one, any specialist will say that your mistakes are special ..
          Don't be afraid, I won't go out minus ..


          Yes, you have paranoia)))) Do you want me to argue with you for a lot of money that I have 3 in Russian language certificate and Ukrainian-mov, and that's just because they didn't want me to stay at school?

          about eagerness - vryatli, I need it? I'll give you money, and you can even minus me)))
    2. MG42
      MG42 18 October 2013 11: 33
      +6
      Quote: Kars
      As for the emergency - I see you unblocked me.)))

      As for spelling, I have repeatedly written that when a user loses and has nothing to say, he starts citing for spelling, although before that he answered with foam at the mouth, despite spelling errors.

      Come on, tell your grandmother, you know which one, any specialist will say that your mistakes are special ..
      Don't be afraid, I won't go out minus .. laughing >>> by the way, in an emergency situation, you were the first to bring me, I several days after I saw that I did not see the <brave tanker> comments ..
      1. MG42
        MG42 18 October 2013 11: 52
        +7
        Quote: Kars
        Yes, you have paranoia)))) Do you want me to argue with you for a lot of money that I have 3 in Russian language certificate and Ukrainian-mov, and that's just because they didn't want me to stay at school?

        about eagerness - vryatli, I need it? I'll give you money, and you can even minus me)))

        Where did you get big money? for trolling? laughing Even here you beg give me money I'll get out of the emergency ..
        1. MG42
          MG42 18 October 2013 13: 09
          +5
          Quote: Kars
          By the way, an article about you today
          http://topwar.ru/34624-pila-gitlera-

          No, not about me, I'm not there, this is your sick fantasy .. Hurry, this is an article about you ..
          You have nothing to attach to your login, and you also complain that they find fault with your literacy
          This is why the login < > translated as “SS pride” does not arouse your attention, but why is it because I insulted the Banderaites, for which you were given the first warning, for a discussion with me ..
          The iron machine gun may not only be in the hands of the Germans, there were also a lot of trophies ...
          Guard Senior Sergeant Smirnov with a captured MG-42 machine gun
          1. MG42
            MG42 18 October 2013 15: 28
            +2
            Kars, well, where did you disappear, BAD?, so what about the Stolz SS?
            And here's another user http://topwar.ru/user/Skull ?
            Is the name of the 3rd SS Panzer Division a head-dead? You showed Bormann already, though he was banned
            There are also a lot of SS in logins ..
            1. general
              general 18 October 2013 19: 04
              -4
              MG42 you are so scary and wicked, you go right.
              Immediately see the hardened Internet fighter and the enemy of the phochists. Tell me your rejection of Ukraine as a state INDEPENDENT from the Russian Federation, is so strong that you are ready to transfer any discussion with a Ukrainian patriot into the channel of throwing shit and calling it a "foshist"? Ai not good ...
              1. MG42
                MG42 18 October 2013 19: 16
                +2
                Quote: chung
                MG42 you are so scary and wicked, you go right.
                Immediately see the hardened Internet fighter and the enemy of the foshists.

                I'm actually kind inside ..
                Quote: chung
                Tell me your rejection of Ukraine as a state INDEPENDENT from the Russian Federation, is so strong that you are ready to transfer any discussion with a Ukrainian patriot into the channel of throwing shit and calling it a "foshist"? Ay not good


                Trace the chronology of comments on this thread at least. They called me a fascist.

                Quote: kars
                You will not come. By the way fascist in your last posts that I saw, you are already getting a Great Russian aplomb too. There have been breakouts.

                Today, 11: 24
                1. MG42
                  MG42 19 October 2013 13: 39
                  0
                  But you can show your passport where your name is Marik Grtychan (well, or so on) and you are 1942 (and I will not demand 42 AD), year of birth)))))

                  yes you are nobody <<0>>, why should I make excuses? laughing I already told you everything on this topic, you are afraid to get out of the emergency well, sit there for as long as you like .. I have the same functional emergency, I will return you there ..
                  You call your comrades like this to people like you. And where am I? I spoke with him? Answered his comments?

                  What are you doing? laughing , and nevertheless, you lit Borman for me and logged him in when I was not even close to the site, and I have been here for almost a year .., and you keep it in your emergency, apparently dear to you as a memory, even though it was banned for a long time ..
                  Strange I said that I have a lot of money?

                  If you tried to argue with me for a lot of money, you are definitely not adequate ..
                  ) You can collect a couple of dissatisfied and buy me a T-90A Mengovsky in a scoop))) while I am gluing, I promise I will start every post with Ave Putin)))

                  You can buy a lip-cutting machine. tongue Goodbye..
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 19 October 2013 13: 59
                    0
                    PS if you really want a tanchik write me your address, I will not send it to the bearer by mail, I will only hand it in my hands with ardent greetings as I arrive in Zaporozhye wink
              2. Kars
                Kars 19 October 2013 13: 16
                +1

                Trace the chronology of comments on this thread at least. They called me a fascist.

                Quote: kars
                You will not come. By the way fascist


                And who, besides Fascist, will take Hitler’s German machine gun as his nickname MG? But you can show your passport where your name is Marik Grtychan (well, etc.) and you will be 42 (I won’t demand 1942 years of our era) year of birth))) ))
                1. Kars
                  Kars 19 October 2013 13: 20
                  +1
                  Kars, well, where did you disappear, BAD?, so what about the Stolz SS?
                  And here is another user http://topwar.ru/user/totenkopf?
                  Is the name of the 3rd SS Panzer Division a head-dead? You showed Bormann already, though he was banned
                  There are also a lot of SS in logins ..

                  You ask your comrades how it feels like people like you. And where do I come from? Did I talk to him? Did you answer his comments? Now you showed him-- I’ll add him to the blacklist for you to a couple. And the rating was slightly reduced.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 19 October 2013 13: 25
                    +1
                    Where did you get the big money? for trolling? laughing Even here you beg, let me get out of the emergency ..
                    Strange I said that I had a lot of money? When? And the fact that you jumped from the topic shows that you are a redneck. But think, I won’t take much from you))) You can collect a couple of dissatisfied and buy me a T-90A Mengovsky for skadchin) )) while I glue, I promise to start every post with Ave Putin)))
                2. Kars
                  Kars 19 October 2013 14: 11
                  +1
                  yes you are nobody <<0>>, why should I make excuses?
                  It's strange I am 0, and you are so proliferating about me, gossiping, watching how many clients I have in an emergency)))
                  you are afraid to get out of emergency well and sit there
                  Do you want to take me on weak? You know the conditions, televise you CONTINUE for free)))))
                  .. I have the same functional emergency, I will take you back there ..
                  Scared)))
                  Nevertheless, you lit up the borman and logged it in when I was not even close to the site, and I have been here for almost a year.
                  And? You will also be stored there for a long time.
                  If you tried to argue with me for a lot of money, you are definitely not adequate ..
                  So I won’t lose. Why am I afraid? And you don’t have a lot of money? Well, give me $ 1? Do you have that much? Check your guess about harpography.
                  You can buy yourself a lip sewing machine. tongue goodbye.

                  And goodbye was so short)))
                  PS if you really want a tanchik write me your address, I will not send it to the bearer by mail, I will only hand it in my hands with ardent greetings as I arrive in Zaporozhye

                  0508385510 you will come, discard the MMS from the photo of the box with the tank, with any distinctive sign, where we cross))
      2. Ziksura
        Ziksura 19 October 2013 00: 47
        +3
        [quote = MG42] I don't see the <brave tanker> comments .. [/ quote
        Not "brave" but "brave". Judging from how many people he hid hi

        Including and from me laughing
        1. MG42
          MG42 19 October 2013 00: 56
          +3
          Quote: Ziksura
          Not "brave" but "brave". Judging from how many people he hid

          Including and from me

          Yes, here many on the forum do not see his comments, many wrote about this ..
          Only in his case the brave is written like this xBRAry .. laughing
          What is asked to be afraid of a peasant? Are the cons so scary, so I can’t catch up honestly .. Where are the cons and the pros ..
          1. Ziksura
            Ziksura 19 October 2013 00: 57
            +1
            Quote: MG42
            so brave ..

            Accepted drinks
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 18 October 2013 13: 11
      +2
      Quote: MG42
      hid in an emergency from all serious opponents

      Those who abuse the black list should be quoted in full, so that serious opponents whom Kars introduced to the emergency situation could read everything in the quotes.
      1. Kars
        Kars 18 October 2013 13: 16
        +1
        Would you like to be in emergency too? Later. While you still amuse me.

        And by the way, along the way, you are a frivolous apponent))) And this is the Death Scythe said so. You even protested it.
      2. MG42
        MG42 18 October 2013 13: 17
        +2
        Quote: Setrac
        so that serious opponents whom Kars introduced to the emergency situations could read everything in quotes

        In emergency situations I had 2 forum users, now 1 probably has several cars. tens ..
        You can read in the last comments, everything is reflected there, even in emergency situations or when you log out of your account, you don’t need to quote ..
        And by the way, I broke today did not expect such an attack with such a title in the subject about the machine gun, now it will be even better to MG42 / 1 so that the clowns showed less ..
    4. seller trucks
      seller trucks 18 October 2013 14: 08
      +4
      Quote: MG42
      It’s a pity that you won’t get the car at all, hid in emergencies from all serious opponents, from under the silence you throw only topics on the site about Hitler’s scythe, you posted 100% cheap clown ..


      Sergey, my hello to you, I’m just from that emergency from Kars. I have a request for you: I had one friend from Simferopol who clicked on another forum Bramis, he did exactly the same thing (he sent everyone to the emergency), ask him if he was a kars?
      1. MG42
        MG42 18 October 2013 14: 19
        +4
        Quote: seller trucks
        Sergey, my hello to you, I’m just from that emergency from Kars.

        The magnitude of his list can only be assumed .. bully
        Quote: seller trucks
        I have a request for you: I had one friend from Simferopol who clicked on another forum Bramis, he did exactly the same thing (he sent everyone to the emergency), ask him if he was a kars?

        Yes, I can’t ask directly, he’s afraid laughing to withdraw me from the emergency, I honestly promised not to minus him, so he also asked for money, too much honor, I wouldn’t have gotten into it if it hadn’t for today's topic with such a provocative title about Hitler’s saw, it’s only that he was fixated on this, that confirm his comments 3 times mentioned in different topics when we crossed paths .. and even posted a video
        His login in Google immediately pops up for some reason гOrod in eastern Turkey, administrative center Kars ..
        Sam in his profile hometown with a small letter Zaporozhye, recently by the way there passed by, the roads are not so hot ..
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 18 October 2013 14: 46
          +4
          Quote: MG42
          The magnitude of his list can only be assumed ..


          I somehow didn’t have a chance to communicate with him, not a single post, to be honest, about the birds, I wonder why such love is not?


          Quote: MG42
          Yes, I can’t ask for a direct one. He’s afraid to get me out of the emergency, I honestly promised not to minus him,


          and he came for the "likes" (daughter, so he says)?

          Quote: MG42
          recently by the way there passed by, the roads are not so hot ..


          I went home to the Crimea in 2012, after Kharkov (God forbid to enter the city, MRAK) along the "concrete" to Dnepropetrovsk, nicho so, under the "totalitarian regime" built, from it to Zaporozhye and after Melitopol, Dzhankoy, I agree big "F"
          1. MG42
            MG42 18 October 2013 14: 55
            +3
            Quote: seller trucks
            I somehow didn’t have a chance to communicate with him, not a single post, to be honest, I’m wondering about the birds, why is this not love?

            You haven’t lost much, this is how you communicate with our Prime Minister Azarov when he speaks a Ukrainian language laughing
            Forgot to say hello Vitaly, Good afternoon! It's just that I've been "on edge" since the morning ..
            Apparently, he puts in those emergencies those with whom he can’t argue, but loses in the dispute ..

            Quote: seller trucks
            and he came for the "likes" (daughter, so he says)?

            Let him comment on this, probably yes, but he only gets more dislikes after the fact on political topics ..

            Quote: seller trucks
            from her to Zaporozhye and after Melitopol, Dzhankoy, the big "F"

            The worst thing is Melitopol, there at the intersections it is better to drive less jams on the weekend ..
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 18 October 2013 10: 48
    11
    If a lot of problems have accumulated, Ukraine’s claims to Russia it is imperative that Ukraine begins to live completely separate from Russia. Time will tell, will make adjustments to the policies of both countries. If this separation does not occur, we are doomed to eternal bickering. Even in a good family, there are fights. People disperse. calm down and then come to an agreement.
    1. In the book
      In the book 18 October 2013 11: 23
      +3
      My grandmother (a wise woman, her kingdom is heavenly) used to say: "The further, the dearer"
      1. washi
        washi 18 October 2013 13: 32
        -3
        Quote: Libr
        My grandmother (a wise woman, her kingdom is heavenly) used to say: "The further, the dearer"

        There is another expression: they see less - they love more.
        Considering the number of "Chernukha" on Russian channels .....
        I would not want to go to such a country.
    2. georg737577
      georg737577 18 October 2013 13: 01
      +2
      The first is completely adequate commentary of an adult with a healthy head from the Russian side. Plus to you!
  • Egoza
    Egoza 18 October 2013 10: 56
    +2
    I can understand S. Lunev. He, like many in Ukraine, is in pain for the Ukrainian people, in the sense of all the peoples living in Ukraine. Only now the situation is developing such that (in my opinion) both Yanukovych and the EU will try to backslide from signing the association, but both need to "save face". And the "Tymoshenko case" will become that favorable moment when you can step back. Especially when it became known that Merkel had promised her voters to release the martyr. But this is not beneficial to anyone here. Otherwise, how can this CIRCUS be explained !!!! Yes, and earlier, in the comments, I put up an article "The West" divorced "the Ukrainian leadership" like kittens "- the expert" was very well described there. And the last thing:
    The Verkhovna Rada is not going to send Tymoshenko abroad
    http://www.segodnya.ua/politics/pnews/Zakonoproekt-o-lechenii-Timoshenko-zagrani
    cey-nikto-gotovit-ne-sobiraetsya-468217.html
    1. morpex
      morpex 19 October 2013 00: 01
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      The Verkhovna Rada is not going to send Tymoshenko abroad

      Elena. And then what?

      On Friday, October 18, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine registered bill No. 3444 entitled "On Amendments to the Criminal Executive and Criminal Procedure Codes of Ukraine regarding the legal regulation of the treatment of convicts abroad." The document is designed to solve the problem of medical treatment abroad for prisoner Yulia Tymoshenko. The author of the bill was the deputy of the Party of Regions, socialist Nikolai Rudkovsky. Recall that Viktor Yanukovych said that he was ready to sign a law allowing ex-Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko to go abroad for treatment, but such a law should be adopted by the Ukrainian parliament
  • Sineys
    Sineys 18 October 2013 11: 08
    -5
    Sociological group "Rating" September 26 - October 6, 2013 conducted sociological research. According to the majority of respondents, the signing of the Agreement on a Free Trade Area with the European Union is more profitable for Ukraine (47%) than joining the Customs Union with Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan (34%). 19% - could not decide. According to the research data, 38% of the respondents support the creation of a unified state within Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, 50% do not support it and 12% have not decided. According to the results of the study, 43% of respondents support the granting of the status of the state language to the Russian language, 51% are against it. About 5% were undecided. This is to the declared in the article "about 50%" who support joining the Customs Union. Further - I consider it incorrect to use the expressions "", "svidomity", "" and other offensive nicknames. Someone thinks very witty to call an opponent "svidomite" if he insists on a patriotic position, realizes (in Ukrainian - learned) his responsibility for the future of his family and homeland. It seems to me stupid, and such oslomie only causes pity and requires indulgence towards mentally poor individuals. On the issue of Austrian, German, Polish (underline the necessary) participation in the formation of the Ukrainian language - it is useless to prove something to people who have decided the opposite for themselves.
    In 1838, 24-year-old T. Shevchenko published the poem “Cause” in Ukrainian for publication.
    The roar and the stogne Dnіpr wide,
    Serditiy vіter zaviva.
    I will complete the willow wrath of the temple,
    Mountains praise pіdіyma.
    I bl_diy month at that time
    Iz Khmari de de Wandered.
    At night, choven in the blue sea,
    Now virinav, then drowning.
    What is written on? Invented by the Austrians, Germans and Poles, or what? By the way, in the picture there are examples of articles from the first dictionary in Russia: “Lexis, Sirich spoken, Vykrattsѣ selected (b) and from the word (n) skago language into simple (th) rusky (th) díale (k) t true (b) forged ”, Published in Vilna in 1596 by Laurence Zizanie. In the left column are words in Church Slavonic, and in the right column in “a simple Russian language”. What language is it? The stupidity of the vysers that the Ukrainian language was invented by someone is simply amazing.
    As a result, if the Ukrainian leadership adopts a law similar to the Russian Federation on foreign agents, every "Russian bloc" and other similar entities will receive a complete frustration, and Russia will save a certain amount of money for the citizens of its own country. It's time to stop hysteria, accept and understand that there will be no return to the USSR. A country the size of France has the right to independently choose its path, without pressure from outside. It is necessary to build EQUAL relationships and respect the opinion of the other side.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 18 October 2013 11: 37
      +5
      There is no country the size of France, there is a temporarily occupied Russian territory, a significant part of which even before the Khrushchev degenerate was not included in the Ukrainian SSR, and hosted by another psheks.

      And Shevchenko is your simply a writer of a regional disgrace who riveted some kind of crap in local dialect, which no one familiar with normal Russian would consider as a separate language, for there were dozens of such people on Russian soil in the era of illiterate peasantry, although they were even less different from each other than the dialects of the same German in Germany, divided up to the end of the 19th century.

      And why are you silent that this scribble has nothing to do with the official move? The real "Ukrainian language" is the Poltava dialect of Russian, which is understandable to Russians even in Kamchatka. But who understands MOV, except for a handful of professional Ukrainians, I don't know. And nobody knows, because what the hell knows what to say when there is a normal human language.
      1. washi
        washi 18 October 2013 13: 54
        0
        Quote: Avenger711
        А

        Well, Shevchenko, an ardent Russophobe, was made a poet under Soviet rule. Although anyone who considers himself Russian will be shocked by his letters.
        But Gogol - a native of Russia (Little Russia), and who wrote in Russian, began to translate into Ukrainian. Moreover, only that tsarist Russia is in a negative color.
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 18 October 2013 11: 39
      +1
      And in general, go sit in your "france", why did you come to runet? Although something tells me that "France" even has the Internet mainly through Moscow.
    3. gorgo
      gorgo 18 October 2013 13: 24
      +8
      Dear comrade, can you define the concept of "language"? How is it different from a dialect or adverb? It would be completely foolish to think that in the vast territories of Russia, where the two Europeans would have climbed, everyone spoke exactly the same language. Naturally, the language was different. And the dialect in Little Russia differed from Moscow as well as Moscow from Novgorod or Pskov, or Siberia. Moreover, the Moscow dialect of the 16th century was also very different from the modern Russian language. So what?! The question is different. The modern Russian language was formed after the unification of the southern and northern Russian lands in the 17th century. We - "Ukrainians" - made our huge contribution to this language, we formed it together with Muscovites, Belarusians. We created it together. The modern Russian language is OUR language, including our native language. The language of OUR "Ukrainian" intelligentsia, any educated person. And the fact that there are different dialects in the common people in places is absolutely normal. There are those in the Russian Federation and in Belarus. So what?! Why give up a magnificent, highly detailed language, with a colossal and deep conceptual apparatus, from a language recognized throughout the world, from the UN language of international communication? Why, if he is OUR LANGUAGE ?! To the bone - he is OUR as much as in Russia! Why now reinvent all the concepts that never existed in a simple folk dialect? Why make scientists and professors speak the language of the common people? Let's then in Novgorod let them write not "rooster", but "singing" ?! So what? Understand, finally, no one denies the existence of local South Russian dialects - there are a lot of them. And in Galicia even more. And in Transcarpathia, a completely different language. So what? For so many centuries of the unity of the Russian lands, nothing happened to this move, and the grandmothers at the bazaar, as they spoke their move, say so. And thank God! Let them talk. But there is a highly developed Russian language, which was created for centuries by OUR ancestors, OUR ancestors understand at last. And let poor Taras Grigorievich write poetry in this local dialect - great! Great poetry, great. But why inflate some separate language out of this, make the whole world laugh, renouncing OUR native language?
      I've been living in Ukraine for all of my 35 years, I know very well the local dialects, which today are called Ukrainian language. They are all different, there are many of them. I can speak both "Poltava", and "Galicia", and "Chernigov". Perfectly! It all enriches us. But I will never admit that classical literary Russian is not my language. No, friend, he is mine and he is yours. It is a language formed by our common ancestors, which has absorbed all Russian wealth from all regions, and that is why it is so rich and "powerful". And few languages ​​can compare with it in the ability to convey the finest shades of human feelings, experiences, etc.
      And the "underdevelopment" of the Ukrainian language is natural. And because of this underdevelopment, people who deliberately renounce their native Russian language, switch to the language of the peasants, become "undeveloped." There is not enough conceptual apparatus in mov to express the deep and subtle nuances of human existence. Well, there are no such concepts in the peasant move! What a simple life in the village, such is there and Mova. That is why our generation is growing so primitive that they are forced to use a primitive language to describe complex objects. This simplifies thinking ...
      To summarize: Russian is our native language, it is the form of language that was developed by our ancestors as the most optimal and developed. And "Ukrainian" is one of the many forms of local dialects that differ in both Ukraine and Russia. And she always lived and will live, and this is good and wonderful. But there is no need to elevate the language of ordinary villagers to the rank of the state language! This is stupid, funny, terribly ridiculous, and even more - this is a crime against our ancestors.
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 18 October 2013 15: 34
        -1
        DERZHAVNA MOva. laughing
        1. morpex
          morpex 19 October 2013 00: 16
          0
          Quote: Avenger711
          DERZHAVNA MOva.

          Well, why laughter? You will soon have the state’s Azerbaijani or the Tajik at worst. I don’t laugh ...
      2. morpex
        morpex 19 October 2013 00: 13
        +1
        Quote: gorgo
        But there is no need to elevate the language of ordinary villagers to the rank of state

        These simple villagers keep this as you say the state. So, my friend, respect them, and their language. By the way, if you want to hear the pure Ukrainian language, go to any village in the Poltava region or Chernihiv region. Listen and enjoy. This language is for us. broadcast channels "STB", "ISSTV", "NEW", etc., more like the language of a drunk horse. So, my friend, it is "simple villagers", as you have deigned to say, and have preserved the originality and purity of the Ukrainian language ... ...
    4. seller trucks
      seller trucks 18 October 2013 13: 47
      +7
      Xoxol will remain
      Though you let him go to Europe
      Where to act with the mind
      He annoys only ass.

      And that is why in Russia
      Bequeathed as much by Monomakh:
      “Contact God forbid
      With three - gi-dom, xxlom and lyahom! ”.

      Insidious gi-d, although blind;
      Puffy love-worse than Mr. love;
      xoxol will eat bread with you,
      And then in the soup you pogadit.

      "Xoxly" T.G. Shevchenko
      1851year
      1. morpex
        morpex 19 October 2013 00: 24
        -1
        Quote: seller trucks
        "Xoxly" T.G. Shevchenko, 1851

        I read it. I evaluated it. After such an attitude, I also want to answer with the words of the GREAT RUSSIAN POET:
        Goodbye WASHED RUSSIA!
        COUNTRY OF SLAVES. COUNTRY OF LORD.
        And you are blue uniform
        AND YOU ARE Loyal PEOPLE ....
        1. xan
          xan 19 October 2013 01: 54
          0
          Quote: morpex
          Goodbye WASHED RUSSIA!
          COUNTRY OF SLAVES. COUNTRY OF LORD.
          And you are blue uniform
          AND YOU ARE Loyal PEOPLE ....

          The author of these lines can be understood. He was like a dissident, had a bunch of problems with the government, and a bunch of reasons for this power to put it mildly not like. Hence the strong bias of the verse.
          What reasons did the "Ukrainian everything" Shevchenko have to hate xoxlov? Apparently he just knew it well, had a lot of life experience.
          1. morpex
            morpex 19 October 2013 12: 35
            +2
            Quote: xan
            What reasons did the "Ukrainian everything" Shevchenko have to hate xoxlov?

            So he did not favor Russians either:
            "Lyakhi boules - they took a mustache,
            The blood was boiling
            A ..... i і light of God
            They put it in Puto. ”
            Bo ..... and strangers,
            It’s hard for them to live;
            Dumb with Kim cry,
            Talk to him.
            Unfortunately, gentlemen, the moderators cite your Shevchenko’s poems printed by a Russian user with an insulting name-calling for Ukrainians, and the poems of the same poet quoted by the Uraintan immediately moderated. That's right! This is the whole policy of the site. But I understand them. lol
            Here are the double standards in action, as the user wrote with the nickname Crystal .... Sadly ...
            1. xan
              xan 19 October 2013 14: 20
              0
              Quote: morpex
              So he did not favor Russians either:

              why didn’t he favor the Russians - understandably, they are invaders.
              Why didn’t he favor Ukrainians?
              What is the difference to you or not?
              1. morpex
                morpex 20 October 2013 19: 26
                +1
                Quote: xan
                why didn’t he favor the Russians - understandably, they are invaders.

                Russian Invaders ?! Did you fall from the oak? According to my information, Khmelnitsky himself asked for Russia.
                Quote: xan
                What is the difference to you or not?

                This is you in the course of the hollow you do not give ... It seems we are as one people .. Personally, I do not see the differences ...
    5. washi
      washi 18 October 2013 13: 48
      +1
      Quote: Sineys
      The sociological group “Rating” September 26 - October 6, 2013 conducted a sociological study.
      Mountains praise pіdіyma.
      I bl_diy month at that time
      Iz Khmari de de Wandered.
      At night, choven in the blue sea,
      Now virinav, then drowning.
      What is written on? Invented by the Austrians, Germans and Poles, or what? By the way, in the picture there are examples of articles from the first dictionary in Russia: “Lexis, Sirich spoken, Vykrattsѣ selected (b) and from the word (n) skago language into simple (th) rusky (th) díale (k) t true (b) forged ”, Published in Vilna in 1596 by Laurence Zizanie. In the left column are words in Church Slavonic, and in the right column in “a simple Russian language”. What language is it? The stupidity of the vysers that the Ukrainian language was invented by someone is simply amazing.
      It is time to stop hysteria, accept and understand that there will be no return to the USSR. A country the size of France has the right to independently choose its path, without pressure from the outside. It is necessary to build equal relations and respect the opinion of the other side.

      Do you know what Russophobe Shevchenko was sent for?
      And you are aware that the Russian alphabet was simplified after 1917, for the quickest study of the grammar of the bulk of the peoples of the former Russian Empire. Naturally, speaking was also simplified.
      Do you know that dialects of the Russian language (except Ukrainian) still exist on the territory of the Russian Federation. Remained Pomeranian, Vologda, Volga, Siberian, etc. dialect. So what? To invent an alphabet for each dialect?
      And there are no equal relationships. Even in a simple, family life.
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 18 October 2013 15: 42
        -1
        Generally speaking, the simplification of the alphabet was proposed for a long time and in fact the modern Russian grammar reflects the language of the 19th century. If we ignore the problems with the letter "E", all sorts of "zhi / shi" then there are no problems and especially the lack of letters in the alphabet. The same "yat" was only a hemorrhoid for everyone and a way to show off for those who remembered where to stick it.
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 18 October 2013 20: 01
          0
          Quote: Avenger711
          The same "yat" was only a hemorrhoid for everyone and a way to show off for those who remembered where to stick it.

          To be honest, this is also a problem for me. I don't know where to stick it laughing
    6. Essenger
      Essenger 18 October 2013 15: 24
      +1
      Ukrainians are wise people, I hope they pass by the vehicle. If possible, we will get out of there.

      As a result, over three years of the CU's operation, the share of Russian imports increased to 42%, trade with Russia increased by 91%. Trade deficit 63%.

      In short, we are in ...,

      The trade turnover with Belarus has hardly changed.
      But with other countries we trade three times more actively. I still don't understand why we need this vehicle.
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 18 October 2013 17: 42
        +4
        about the Customs Union

  • Corrint_25
    Corrint_25 18 October 2013 11: 29
    +2
    Quote: Lindon
    Today is some special day called "Kicking Ukraine"

    Why today? These are "working days". Every day a bucket of slops to Ukraine angry
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 18 October 2013 12: 41
      +3
      Actually, everyone here has more important things to do than Ukraine. With the EU, everything is clear anyway, they will sign it, and we will just once again get drunk over the farmers' stupidity and recurrent idiocy in the style of "to spite my mother, I will frostbite my ears."
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 18 October 2013 13: 54
      0
      Quote: Corrint_25
      Why today? These are "working days". Every day a bucket of slops to Ukraine


      let it be, you know that the resource "Ruska Pravda" is Ukrainian, so it turns out that the Ukrainians pour the "slop" on themselves, and they also call themselves Little Russians.
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 18 October 2013 17: 38
        +2
        It's time to already learn to distinguish a Malorosa from a Ukrainian
  • gorgo
    gorgo 18 October 2013 11: 29
    +3
    In fact, the trouble today is that people are very naive and stupid. The first part is of the type of educated young people (up to 30) who are convinced that the very fact of rapprochement with the EU will lead to a positive (how - they do not think, "there is how Poland lives!", Etc.). The second part is older and simpler, all sorts of villagers are simply confused, they have not understood what is happening for a long time. The heart tells us that we are all Russians, and the head ... "otse are talking on TV ... otse are to blaze in gazety ..." There are very few people who are truly educated, capable of deeply understanding modern processes from the perspective of history and prospects , very! There are also Orthodox believers, there are quite a few of them. But they are a little passive in politics, of course, and plus they are not sure that Putin and co really want the good of the Russian people. And this is also understandable. So 25 years of intensive brainwashing of the unfortunate naive population of southern Russia was not in vain, unfortunately. And you know what? - I don't know how to heal it. It seems to me that the Russians (not only here in Ukraine, but everywhere) need some kind of colossal "shake-up", some kind of shock or something ... so that they sober up and understand that they are on the verge of death in general. And Ukraine is likely to simply collapse. And God forbid that it passed peacefully. I don't see how you can save the country and keep it entirely in the Russian field.
    1. rolik
      rolik 18 October 2013 12: 46
      +7
      Quote: gorgo
      b. It seems to me that the Russians (not only here in Ukraine, but everywhere) need some kind of colossal "shake-up", some kind of shock or something ... so that they sober up and understand that they are on the verge of death in general. And Ukraine is likely to simply collapse. And God forbid that it passed peacefully. I don't see how you can save the country and keep it entirely in the Russian field.

      In Russia, this shock was already from the beginning to the end of the 90s, the default was in the 98th. all this was with us and was not in Ukraine. Because they constantly supported it, with low prices. Now this is really tired. Let Ukraine live as it wants, how much you can help while talking about friendship and brotherhood. The plate is already so jammed that holes have already appeared in it. Live as you want, but don't come to us and don't make claims. I will repeat once again, We do not owe anything to Ukraine ... that's it, period.
    2. washi
      washi 18 October 2013 14: 01
      +3
      Quote: gorgo
      It seems to me that the Russians (not only here in Ukraine, but everywhere) need some kind of colossal "shake-up", some kind of shock or something ... so that they sober up and understand that they are on the verge of death in general. And Ukraine is likely to simply collapse. And God forbid that it passed peacefully. I don't see how you can save the country and keep it entirely in the Russian field.

      So there will be a shake-up with the visa and customs regime. Moreover, for both countries, but more for Oraina.
      Deal with your problems yourself. We have enough of our own. Show that you are independent and friendly to us
      1. gorgo
        gorgo 18 October 2013 15: 48
        0
        Who is this for you? Here to whom, dear, are you addressing this post of yours? To me? You carefully read my posts?
  • Corrint_25
    Corrint_25 18 October 2013 11: 32
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    at the moment, Ukraine (the political elite) does not see itself as a friend of Russia.

    I will put the question differently: does the top of Russia see itself as a friend of Ukraine ???
    1. xan
      xan 18 October 2013 11: 55
      +1
      Quote: Corrint_25
      I will put the question differently: does the top of Russia see itself as a friend of Ukraine ???

      yeah, Russia you are quite specific nishtyaks, like "haspopisyat", and you are Russia the title of "friend of Ukraine"
      You have no other concept of friendship from Russia
      1. Corrint_25
        Corrint_25 18 October 2013 12: 01
        +4
        Articles like this pour water on the mill of further separation from each other. sad
        1. xan
          xan 18 October 2013 13: 14
          +2
          Quote: Corrint_25
          Such articles pour water on the mill of further separation from each other sad

          You comment on the Ukrainian media, there are many times more Russophobic articles.
          In everyone, I emphasize this - in every Ukrainian media, every day there is an attack on Russia. There is no such thing in the Russian media. Most of all try "Voennoye Obozreniye" and "Inosmi", while others are rare, many and generally do not notice the existence of Ukraine. Ukrainians who reproach us for further distance from each other, can you boast that you have media outlets that do not notice Russia or write positively about it?
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 18 October 2013 13: 17
          -1
          Quote: Corrint_25
          Articles like this pour water on the mill of further separation from each other.

          A kick in the back of the runner won't change anything.
        3. washi
          washi 18 October 2013 14: 37
          -2
          Quote: Corrint_25
          Articles like this pour water on the mill of further separation from each other. sad

          No matter how sulky the frog, and the ox is far away.
          Eyes shame, and the soul rejoices.
          I would have given the mind, and not enough for myself.
          I lost money - lost nothing, lost time - lost much, lost my health - I lost everything.
          For the cause - not we, for work - not us, but to eat and sleep - you can't find us against us.
          What is the reason, such are the speeches.
          Distant farewell - extra tears. Further into the argument - more words.
          What you can't see with your eyes, you will pay extra with money.
          Whose shore is the fish.
          Whatever the child would entertain, if only he would not cry.
          Four floors, and the sides are scored.
          What they throw up is picked up.
          etc. Forgot their roots, Wisdom of the ancestors - Russians
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 18 October 2013 16: 48
        -1
        Quote: xan
        yeah, Russia you are quite specific nishtyaks, like "haspopisyat", and you are Russia the title of "friend of Ukraine"

        You know, you behave like a parrot from a cartoon: "Yayaya ... for him ... and he ...!" Who is this "for you"? Personally for me? So what? %, the price is the same. "Nishtyaks" for Ukraine, who so like to trump you and people like you, are fighting between the leaderships of our countries in a brotherly manner, but your statements about the inhabitants of Ukraine only bring discord into relations. Do you have such a complex? Are you so asserting yourself? And you know, I, Russian by nationality, can hardly imagine life with such a person as you are in the same state. As well as I can not understand why I need to change Pinchuk to Abramovich. After all, it was true here noticed, Russia is not the RSFSR. They will not allow the national economic elites to unite our people. Well, let them gnaw at each other. But why are you trying to cheat the people in a neighboring country, I don’t understand. But your posts will clearly not strengthen relations.
        1. xan
          xan 18 October 2013 21: 39
          +1
          Quote: revnagan
          You know, you behave like a parrot from a cartoon: "Yayaya ... for him ... and he ...!" Who is this "for you"? Personally for me? So what? %, the price is the same. "Nishtyaks" for Ukraine, who so like to trump you and people like you, are fighting between the leaderships of our countries like brothers,

          What did you want to say, sick one? Claims to me personally? - to me it is generally purple. Are you proposing to separate the people of Ukraine from the oligarchs, to "fight" with the Ukrainian oligarchs, and to be friends with the common people? Can you specifically express your thoughts without verbiage?
          Quote: revnagan
          As well as I can not understand why I should change Pinchuk to Abramovich

          And what, someone suggests?
          The Russians need Russian lands with the Russian people, which Ukraine got by mistake. You don't have to worry, you can go to Europe, it is possible with the Ukrainian land.
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 20 October 2013 12: 26
            -2
            Quote: xan
            You don't have to worry

            I tried, to God I tried to communicate politely and correctly. But you are so demonstratively sticking out your boorish mug that I see no reason to maintain a polite conversation. Not the RSFSR. Wild capitalism is in the yard. Without a specific profit, and a fly on your head will not blow. Why was there cheap gas? Because the Ukrainian government resold it to Europe, the gain was shared with the Russian government. As soon as the new team wanted to keep everything for themselves, gas quickly rose in price.
            Further, it is possible to unite the people into one state, but for this it is necessary to exterminate the oligarchs, both in Russia and in our country, all to the feet.
            Quote: xan
            Russians need Russian lands with the Russian people

            Are there not enough of your Abramovichs who live in Russia? Have they squeezed everything out? And, yes, Russians from Ukraine will greatly appreciate the fact that they are milked not by Ukrainian Jews, but by Russians.
            Quote: xan
            You don't have to worry, you can go to Europe, it is possible with the Ukrainian land.

            And come on, you won't tell me what to do on my own land, but I won't tell you where to go on your land ... to walk. And then every "PEPSI" generation is clever here.
            1. xan
              xan 22 October 2013 02: 08
              0
              Quote: revnagan
              All "nishtyaks" from Russia for Ukraine exist only in your fevered imagination

              what then are your bigwigs trying to beg ours?
              Quote: revnagan
              Russia is not the RSFSR. In the courtyard is wild capitalism. Without a specific profit and a fly on your head. Why was there cheap gas? Because the government of Ukraine resold it to Europe, the gain was shared with the government of Russia. As soon as the new team wanted to keep everything for themselves - gas rose rapidly.

              Is our government unable to sell its own gas? Is Ukraine necessary for this intellectual business?
              Quote: revnagan
              Are there not enough of your Abramovichs who live in Russia? Have they squeezed everything out? And, yes, Russians from Ukraine will greatly appreciate the fact that they are milked not by Ukrainian Jews, but by Russians.

              Nobody offers you to unite. We need ours, and you will have yours. And everyone did not squeeze from ours, but yours from you.
              On your own land, do what you want, the Russian land is not yours.
              And about the allegations of rudeness. Your flawed non-Russian character in every line of your verbiage penetrates. For me, it's better to be a constructive boor than a verbiage hypocrite.
    2. washi
      washi 18 October 2013 14: 30
      0
      Quote: Corrint_25
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      at the moment, Ukraine (the political elite) does not see itself as a friend of Russia.

      I will put the question differently: does the top of Russia see itself as a friend of Ukraine ???

      Of course not. And not only at the top. The GDP finally adopted the English principle: England has no friends, it has interests. And after the marches of nationalists, articles in your newspapers and on the Internet on your websites ...
      Sorry, but I don't need such friends and "brothers". I need a single people, even if they speak with their own accent or dialect, but united with me by common Russian principles:
      God sees the truth, but he will not say it soon.
      There is no relationship in money.
      Your speeches and to God in ears.
      Trade for a year, steal two, sit in a pit for three.
      Whatever finger you bite, the whole hand hurts.
      And then to the amateur: either Christ's commandments or the Code of the builders of communism.
      We have more in common with the so-called "Belorussians", "Kazakhs" than with the territory called "Ukraine", leased by the Poles to Jews and adopting their principles:
      On ... a bi passerby who looks like you
      Its shirt is closer to the body
      Bay their, to others were afraid
      My hut on the edge
  • aud13
    aud13 18 October 2013 11: 36
    +3
    I don't understand why such articles are posted here on the site ...
    Ukraine is undergoing a difficult process of determining the path of development. I am afraid that we will not help here with our comments, but on the contrary, we will increase the degree of confrontation.
    Things like determining the strategic path of development must be done in a calm and sober state, as the wrong choice can be very costly.
  • Sineys
    Sineys 18 October 2013 11: 48
    +4
    Quote: Avenger711
    There is no country the size of France, there is a temporarily occupied Russian territory, a significant part of which even before the Khrushchev degenerate was not included in the Ukrainian SSR, and hosted by another psheks.

    And Shevchenko is your simply a writer of a regional disgrace who riveted some kind of crap in local dialect, which no one familiar with normal Russian would consider as a separate language, for there were dozens of such people on Russian soil in the era of illiterate peasantry, although they were even less different from each other than the dialects of the same German in Germany, divided up to the end of the 19th century.

    And why are you silent that this scribble has nothing to do with the official move? The real "Ukrainian language" is the Poltava dialect of Russian, which is understandable to Russians even in Kamchatka. But who understands MOV, except for a handful of professional Ukrainians, I don't know. And nobody knows, because what the hell knows what to say when there is a normal human language.

    Well, that's what it was required to prove. You thrust such a stubborn face into the manure, and he repeats one thing - God's grace. Territory temporarily occupied by whom? By your own population? Get treated, your sick consciousness gives out solid phantom constructions. And all that is not easy for you, and the Ukrainian language is like a bone in your throat. Why know English, German, etc. when there is a "normal human language" - it is obscene or something. And all the rest are abnormal according to your logic. How else the Austrian General Staff was not remembered, surprising.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 18 October 2013 12: 54
      +1
      What kind of manure? You will deny that Crimea and Novorossiya were transferred from the RSFSR in violation of Soviet laws and there even doesn't smell like "Ukrainians"? Are you going to deny that local dialects have nothing to do with Mov?

      Why know English is understandable. Why know Russian is also understandable, but with what fright a Russian person should abandon Russian culture, the Russian language, which, by the way, is a language of world significance and switch to some kind of fucking MOV, this is a mystery to me. When in the 20s there was a nonsense with indigenousization in the USSR and every fucking aul or village of ethnic minorities began to be translated into their language, the people were against it, why the hell are you leaving us and our children in cultural isolation.

      Here in Tatarstan, now the Russian exam is passed worst of all in Russia, it affects 6 hours of Tatar at school, which, for example, I have not mastered a single gram from the 1st grade, and 99% of Russian children never master, with 3 Russian watch. Involuntarily, the question arises. Ancient Chinese. "Anahua?" Anahua, torment the children of 40% + of the region's population with the farm language, which is gradually falling out of use even by the indigenous population, and for which there are simply no teaching methods, to the detriment of what is really needed?
  • BARIN
    BARIN 18 October 2013 12: 08
    +5
    Friends, everything is not easy with us. The majority is still buying on a stick "we will not let Russia steer" :) while at the same time we forget that we "allow ourselves to be ruled by Europe." In general, the question is very difficult "EU or CU". I do not like either one or the other :) but I confess that I like the EU less :)
    What is important at the moment is that the decision is made by a bunch of politicians and not by the people! I believe that the people should make the decision "where to move" - ​​the people will have to "pay" for this later! And our Yaknyk does not do this - he has been paid for another decision.
    We need a referendum and discussion, comparison. It will not be so much better for us in the CU, but mentally the peoples of the CU are closer than the EU with its poplovers. Yes, and the number of Arabs and other refugees in the EU scares me, who will then be thrown over to us ... In the Customs Union, corruption and your oligarchs are no less frightening - we do not have a "Father" and we will not be protected.
    We need discussion and voting. We voted to leave the USSR - now we are raking yanyks, yulek and other handsome men, we love "our caring democracy." Let's vote for the EU - we will have to love the populace and create peace in hot spots.
    1. avg
      avg 18 October 2013 12: 33
      +4
      It is precisely on the fact that the Russians will steer here, they are bred all. Have you already forgotten who ruled in the USSR? By the way, both Khrushchev and Brezhnev were from Ukraine. The latter still managed to steer and Moldova.
      I don’t know what kind of independence Galicia, always occupied, dreamed of, but the steel ones were equal among equals. Even, perhaps, somewhat more equal. No one will deny that in the USSR, the "fraternal republics" were allowed a little more than the RSFSR.
      1. BARIN
        BARIN 18 October 2013 12: 46
        +1
        Well, as it is, so he said. part is scared, and part initially "will die but will not give Russia anything" :) we have such as you do inadequate.
        I repeat - a crime that everything is done quickly and without deliberation.
        We are simply "sold" quickly. Yes, and a referendum, if there is, it will be more likely in favor of the EU, but apparently they are afraid that some of them will suddenly see the light.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 18 October 2013 16: 13
        +1
        Quote: avg
        Incidentally, Khrushchev and Brezhnev from Ukraine were. The latter still managed to steer and Moldova.

        This is where the collapse of the USSR began! It was impossible to allow them to control!
        1. general
          general 18 October 2013 20: 00
          +1
          I repeat once again for our Russian brothers - the last helmsman of the USSR: M. Gorbachev - Russian.
  • avg
    avg 18 October 2013 12: 13
    +2
    The fact that there are no non-pro-Russian parties in Ukraine, not individual politicians is a fact. But there are no such people in Russia either. After all, no one will dare to call EDRosov a pro-Russian party. Perhaps the communists, having dealt with their program and changed their leadership, could have become such a force, but so far they are just exposing everything and everyone. The politician may be “and you know him,” but the questions to him are over the top. All our "political elite", having got into the "power vertical", immediately enthusiastically joins in the carve-up and redistribution of the "Russian pie", and they are not averse to bite off the Ukrainian one.
    It's the same in Ukraine, only a smaller cake. That Kuchma, that Yanukovych, having come to power on the promise of rapprochement of the torn people, completely forget about everything. They have only one question for Russia - will you give the gas cheaper?
    And these guys are so gagging at their voters that they have interesting reservations, they almost skip Freud:
    I admit honestly, sometimes I myself love to whine about the fact that to cure Ukraine of Svidomo we only need money. Say, if there was money, then there would be opportunities to convey their information to ordinary Ukrainians, and there Ukraine will unfold 180 degrees ... to Europe backwards, to Russia before

    Yes, Ukraine not only turned its back to Europe, but already bent down.
    1. BARIN
      BARIN 18 October 2013 13: 04
      +2
      from this and ignore the majority of Ukrainians to politics, as we are hovering everything that does not hit and twist everything with a bang.
  • Sineys
    Sineys 18 October 2013 13: 39
    +2
    Quote: Avenger711
    What kind of manure? You will deny that Crimea and Novorossiya were transferred from the RSFSR in violation of Soviet laws and there even doesn't smell like "Ukrainians"? Are you going to deny that local dialects have nothing to do with Mov?

    Why know English is understandable. Why know Russian is also understandable, but with what fright a Russian person should abandon Russian culture, the Russian language, which, by the way, is a language of world significance and switch to some kind of fucking MOV, this is a mystery to me. When in the 20s there was a nonsense with indigenousization in the USSR and every fucking aul or village of ethnic minorities began to be translated into their language, the people were against it, why the hell are you leaving us and our children in cultural isolation.

    Here in Tatarstan, now the Russian exam is passed worst of all in Russia, it affects 6 hours of Tatar at school, which, for example, I have not mastered a single gram from the 1st grade, and 99% of Russian children never master, with 3 Russian watch. Involuntarily, the question arises. Ancient Chinese. "Anahua?" Anahua, torment the children of 40% + of the region's population with the farm language, which is gradually falling out of use even by the indigenous population, and for which there are simply no teaching methods, to the detriment of what is really needed?

    You have once again confirmed your diagnosis. By the way, be kind and stop poking around with strangers. You know, is it a sign of bad taste and bad manners. I will not argue with you about the fact that someone once "gave" something to someone. All this is chewed and chewed. But your attitude to the so-called "foreigners" is jarring. You kindly living (according to your words) on the land of the indigenous Tatar people doubt the advisability of knowing one of the most ancient languages. Your right, because you are not a Tatar. But do not be surprised when one day this is required of you. You deny the very right to exist of the Ukrainian language, calling it "fucking". For you with your wretched, flawed, deformed, imperial psychology, it is quite possible to casually insult every person who speaks the hated "mov" from your grandfather-great-grandfather. In general, reading your comments, one gets the impression that apart from Internet sites and comics, you do not read anything else, without bothering yourself with familiarizing yourself with the "Russian culture" so exalted by you. Now, let me take my leave. Sincerely not yours, Sineys.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 18 October 2013 15: 17
      +1
      1) The appeal to "you" still needs to be earned. However, for God's sake, especially since here I am still used to being "you".

      2) I suppose there will be no refutation of the above facts.

      3) I live on a land that has been part of Russia since 1552. Incidentally, this quickly became a matter of locals, in the 1612th from Kazan, as well as from Russian cities, a militia came to drive the Psheks and no new Kazan Khanate appeared. The territory of modern Ukraine is not even Little Russia, and it is inhabited mainly by Russians, who are mocked by a handful of Ukrainian Natsiks. If you recognize my right not to learn the language of a national minority, then why don't you recognize the right of the Russian population of Ukraine not to learn the language of the Ukrainian minority? Because then there will not even be far-fetched grounds for the Ukrainian statehood, which, as you know, never existed? If the Poles did not treat the Russian population like cattle and gently integrated it into their society, as Russia did, then there would be no endless riots of Russian peasants supported by Cossack women. There would be no Pereyaslavsky Rada. In the 16-17 centuries, there were no national states either, they actually began to take shape only in the 18th century.

      4) Imperial psychology allowed the creation of one of the greatest empires in the history of mankind. Farming only leads to collapse.

      5) My maternal grandfather was a Little Russian with a very Little Russian surname.

      6) Russian culture is a fact which, like Russia, is 1000+ years old, what nobody knows about Ukrainian culture, all the great immigrants from Little Russia did not separate themselves from Russia.
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 18 October 2013 16: 03
      -2
      http://peremogi.livejournal.com/164890.html#cutid1

      Funny damn it.
      1. general
        general 18 October 2013 20: 18
        0
        fool that finger show that Mona Lisa is all funny
  • vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 18 October 2013 13: 51
    +3
    Recently, on one of the forums, I came across a wonderful book by a certain Mykoli Galichantsi "Ukrainian nation". The book is dedicated to the most ancient nation on earth, which created in 501 BC. their national state "Velyka Ukrayina". This masterpiece was published in the ideological epicenter of modern Svidomism - Ternopil. This creation of "historiosophy" is recommended for study in schools and universities. I read and cried (ANDREY VAJRA "Svidomism and" Svidoma "" historiosophy)

    It is important that a sudden blow of the Avars from the East defeated the South Russian union of the Antes, and the Carpathian Union of Dulebs fell behind it. For several years the Avars ruled the steppe expanses of the Black Sea region. Then they did not poke their heads to the North. And the war with them demanded huge forces and means ... Stabilization in Eastern Europe came only after the attack on the Avars of the last tribal union of the Slavs of Siberian Rus - the Savirs ... The Avars did not count on a war with the Savirs. Moreover, the heavy cavalry of the Savirs, like their ancestors of the Sarmatians, was superior to the Avar. Under the blows of a new enemy, the Avars hastily moved from the Black Sea to Pannonia(northeastern province of the Roman Empire)... The arrival of Savirs in Europe confused Christians and their masters with all the cards. Very soon the Savirs built their capital, Chernigov, not far from Kiev, and their powerful cavalry put the Turks to flight to the Volga (Sidorov GA Chronological-esoteric analysis Chapter 4 "Unknown War").

    The events of the so-called "unknown war" took place at the end of the XNUMXth and the beginning of the XNUMXth centuries, this is the time of the formation of Kievan Rus (even before the arrival of the Rurikovichs) Just due to subsequent historical events and the religious-civil war (it began under Prince Vladimir the Baptist and ended with the victory of Muscovy D. Donskoy), part of Kievan Rus' was under the "heel" of the Poles for a long time and the other part withdrew to the Carpathian region, the Polish gentry called "their colony" Ukraine.
    It is a pity that the Ukrainians themselves do not know their true history, now all questions about the EU or the CU would be
    just would not have arisen. By the way, the remnants of the cities of the Savirs (for example, Grastina) are located in the north of the Tomsk Region, in the taiga, small peoples living here in their myths remember them.
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 18 October 2013 13: 57
    0
    Unambiguous description of the meaning of the article
  • shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 18 October 2013 14: 28
    0
    Quote: SHILO
    The author asks the classic question: "What to do?"

    The answer is simple: NOTHING !!!

    Do not throw a penny into this break. So far, land and a relatively competent population have not been sold - not any fraternization.

    That's when there is nothing left - everything will be sold, eaten and drank to the body cross inclusive! When the Polish gentlemen are pulling pretty for the forelocks! When the Geyropei Goluboko feel the soul of the Ukrainian people! Only then the glorious descendants of the Trypillians will remember the Russian roots and, as it were, softer. In! Will come. Themselves.
    Sincerely, hereditary tripolets.

    In general, all this is sad.

    Absolutely agree with the author. It's like in a drunken fight, as long as opponents are held, they rush into battle, and they let go and calm down. Let Ukraine eat its fill in Geyrope. Only it will turn out like in a fairy tale, it flowed down the mustache, but didn't get into the mouth. The Balts are smaller, and the mentality is not the same, it is easier for them to feed themselves in Europe and they are not too well fed. I wish the Ukrainian lads in Geyrope - "God will not give out, the pig will not eat."
  • IGS
    IGS 18 October 2013 14: 30
    +2
    How long to. Everywhere Ukraine, Ukraine, fraternal people. When will you see? In reality, a minority of people in Ukraine want rapprochement with Russia, the people there have changed, a lot has changed in more than 20 years. The new generation has grown up on different principles. In the USSR, the interethnic policy was successful only in relation to the Russians. Only Russians consider everyone to be brothers. And Russians are considered "brothers" and they swear in eternal "friendship" only for the grandmother. With our heated discussions of this topic, we led to the fact that in Ukraine they began to say: "Russia and the CU are nothing without Ukraine. Then you just scream that Ukraine has sold you. Russia should have thought earlier and not clamped the goods at the border , sell gas at exorbitant prices, and if we are in bondage, it is better to sell it to the European one. " I heard this only yesterday from an acquaintance. Maybe enough talk about this topic. Nothing will change. Better to wait and be silent ... time will put everything in its place. For a quarter of a century they did not understand the lesson ... they will understand sooner or later, only the longer the booze, the harder the hangover.
  • kadet54
    kadet54 18 October 2013 14: 44
    0
    Quote: BARIN
    Friends, everything is not easy with us. The majority is still buying on a stick "we will not let Russia steer" :) while at the same time we forget that we "allow ourselves to be ruled by Europe." In general, the question is very difficult "EU or CU". I do not like either one or the other :) but I confess that I like the EU less :)
    What is important at the moment is that the decision is made by a bunch of politicians and not by the people! I believe that the people should make the decision "where to move" - ​​the people will have to "pay" for this later! And our Yaknyk does not do this - he has been paid for another decision.
    We need a referendum and discussion, comparison. It will not be so much better for us in the CU, but mentally the peoples of the CU are closer than the EU with its poplovers. Yes, and the number of Arabs and other refugees in the EU scares me, who will then be thrown over to us ... In the Customs Union, corruption and your oligarchs are no less frightening - we do not have a "Father" and we will not be protected.
    We need discussion and voting. We voted to leave the USSR - now we are raking yanyks, yulek and other handsome men, we love "our caring democracy." Let's vote for the EU - we will have to love the populace and create peace in hot spots.


    +
  • Corrint_25
    Corrint_25 18 October 2013 15: 05
    +2
    Quote: seller trucks
    and they also call themselves Little Russians.

    I have been living in Ukraine since the 70s of the last century, and I have never heard that someone calls himself or someone maloros or Velikoros. These terms are used by journalists and historians request
  • Corrint_25
    Corrint_25 18 October 2013 15: 14
    0
    [Quote = xan] There is no such thing in the Russian media. [/ quot There is such a saying "good" - approximately "both sides are good. So I don't believe that there is no such thing in the Russian media. I sometimes watch Russian news by satellite No.
  • uizik
    uizik 18 October 2013 15: 43
    0
    You read and it's funny! We're waiting here on the periphery! I wonder what happens? If the span, well then ...... In short, it will not seem enough! Until we ate everything and pissed it off, we endure!
  • Sineys
    Sineys 18 October 2013 16: 21
    +4
    Quote: Avenger711
    1) The appeal to "you" still needs to be earned. However, for God's sake, especially since here I am still used to being "you".

    2) I suppose there will be no refutation of the above facts.

    3) I live on a land that has been part of Russia since 1552. Incidentally, this quickly became a matter of locals, in the 1612th from Kazan, as well as from Russian cities, a militia came to drive the Psheks and no new Kazan Khanate appeared. The territory of modern Ukraine is not even Little Russia, and it is inhabited mainly by Russians, who are mocked by a handful of Ukrainian Natsiks. If you recognize my right not to learn the language of a national minority, then why don't you recognize the right of the Russian population of Ukraine not to learn the language of the Ukrainian minority? Because then there will not even be far-fetched grounds for the Ukrainian statehood, which, as you know, never existed? If the Poles did not treat the Russian population like cattle and gently integrated it into their society, as Russia did, then there would be no endless riots of Russian peasants supported by Cossack women. There would be no Pereyaslavsky Rada. In the 16-17 centuries, there were no national states either, they actually began to take shape only in the 18th century.

    4) Imperial psychology allowed the creation of one of the greatest empires in the history of mankind. Farming only leads to collapse.

    5) My maternal grandfather was a Little Russian with a very Little Russian surname.

    6) Russian culture is a fact which, like Russia, is 1000+ years old, what nobody knows about Ukrainian culture, all the great immigrants from Little Russia did not separate themselves from Russia.


    1) Hmm, now the appeal to "you" must be deserved, but I am unreasonable always thought that this is a sign of politeness. And "poked" only snickering bar slaves. Well, let's move on.
    2) Rebuttals? No, it won't, I don’t want to bring up a bunch of arguments again, it’s still useless and futile.
    3) According to the 2001 census, 37 Ukrainians, or 541% of the population, lived in Ukraine, 693 Russians or 77,8%. Ukrainian was called their native language by 8%, Russian by 334%. I don’t know how in Tatarstan, in Ukraine the state language is Ukrainian, and every citizen is obliged to know it, at least who is in the civil service. This is about the "Ukrainian minority".
    4) The Russian Federation is now reaping the fruits of imperial psychology in the form of interethnic conflicts. With hysterical screams about the come-together Caucasians and all sorts of other Asians. However, some people forget that these people are also citizens of the Russian Federation. You'd better start strengthening the Far East, otherwise the Chinese and the Japanese would not take away the natural treasury of Russia. And this is without gloating, for not strangers after all.
    5) Glad for you. Only now did the grandfather also consider himself a little bitch, or was he a Ukrainian?
    6) Ek you bent that. Again insults. If you do not know Ukrainian culture, this does not mean that it does not exist.
    In general, it's even funny to argue with you. I have not met such a mixture of pomp, blindness and ideologicalization with a claim to lethargy. A pronounced brainwashing product.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 18 October 2013 18: 08
      -1
      What a pancake 78% of Ukrainians, where do they get there, when the whole east is purely Russian. And why, then, Ukraine continues to speak Russian, in contrast to all sorts of Asians who have now forgotten Russian or, and young people often do not know.

      In Ukraine. Decrees of the state authorities on the norms of the language, which in this state is not even official are clinical nonsense, and repeating them is simply an ignorant moron.

      Without imperial policy, there would be no Far East. It is the absence of a sufficiently strong imperial policy that creates interethnic problems, because the state is sticking with inadequate peoples and neighbors instead of forcibly solving the problem with hanging out the corpses of the main ones for display. How Ukraine will solve the problem of Crimean Tatars is a mystery to me. If you think that you don’t want to be a part of the Russian Empire with its Chechens inside, the Chinese in the neighborhood, a huge military budget and ambitions, or rather sit out somewhere on the sidelines, then this is a dead end. Firstly, without a desire for leadership, the country and its power will degrade, and secondly, one should not think that if something terrible happens and lose Russia the Caucasus, then the evil Chechen will not come to you.

      I am not interested in arguments in the "gopher is" style, in history there are no Ukrainian scientists, politicians, only a handful of amateurs who used local dialects from among the writers, and Gogol, as the most famous native, wrote in normal Russian. Wide trousers and embroidered shirts do not attract culture in any way.
      1. Ivan Sirko
        Ivan Sirko 18 October 2013 18: 42
        -4
        For some, striving for stupidity, I explain: in Ukraine, not everyone who speaks Russian loves your "mother Russia", but thanks to your dense ignorance, many Russian-speakers even hate you for behaving like people deprived of elementary concepts of honor and dignity.
    2. georg737577
      georg737577 19 October 2013 00: 10
      -1
      Uw Sineys! Don't argue with this clown ...
  • Fastblast
    Fastblast 18 October 2013 16: 30
    +3
    Oh, brothers like some commentators here, I wouldn’t even wish the worst enemy))

    Speak with Ukraine?
    In reality, if you present the comments of the patriots from this site to Ukrainians to the entire population of Ukraine, the percentage of those wishing to join the Customs Union will be much reduced.

    Continue dear ones, throw mud at you, widen the abyss, everything is going according to plan and you will receive your reward.
  • Ivan Sirko
    Ivan Sirko 18 October 2013 16: 38
    -4
    Well, they don’t like you, hatsups, and take it easy, take it for granted and be men.
    1. fedorovith
      fedorovith 18 October 2013 17: 14
      +3
      Well, it was definitely written by a crest. I, too, have long been tired of all this shnyaga. The people themselves will decide what and where ..
    2. mixxlll
      mixxlll 18 October 2013 17: 19
      0
      You Westerners spit God's dew in the eyes.
  • mixxlll
    mixxlll 18 October 2013 17: 24
    +1
    Ukrainians and I will always understand each other. I have a father-in-law from Dekanka, a family of Kochubey. Here, the youngest son's forelock grows from the top of his head, he showed it extremely satisfied on Skype !!! Bandera unfinished.
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 18 October 2013 20: 47
      0
      Dear, hi My mother’s grandmother’s maiden name is Kochubey. This is the name my great-grandfather bore, now my uncles, cousins ​​and sisters bear it. Only we are the Kupyanskys, which, however, is in the neighborhood. Aren't we relatives? what
  • Vittt
    Vittt 18 October 2013 18: 25
    +1
    Quote: SHILO

    In general, all this is sad.

    Indeed, this is very sad, but inevitable. Two options: 1) either Poo finally wakes up, or, as the saying goes, 2) sit and the corpse of your enemy will be carried past you. The second option is bad.
  • Sineys
    Sineys 18 October 2013 19: 00
    +4
    Quote: Avenger711
    What a pancake 78% of Ukrainians, where do they get there, when the whole east is purely Russian. And why, then, Ukraine continues to speak Russian, in contrast to all sorts of Asians who have now forgotten Russian or, and young people often do not know.

    In Ukraine. Decrees of the state authorities on the norms of the language, which in this state is not even official are clinical nonsense, and repeating them is simply an ignorant moron.

    Without imperial policy, there would be no Far East. It is the absence of a sufficiently strong imperial policy that creates interethnic problems, because the state is sticking with inadequate peoples and neighbors instead of forcibly solving the problem with hanging out the corpses of the main ones for display. How Ukraine will solve the problem of Crimean Tatars is a mystery to me. If you think that you don’t want to be a part of the Russian Empire with its Chechens inside, the Chinese in the neighborhood, a huge military budget and ambitions, or rather sit out somewhere on the sidelines, then this is a dead end. Firstly, without a desire for leadership, the country and its power will degrade, and secondly, one should not think that if something terrible happens and lose Russia the Caucasus, then the evil Chechen will not come to you.

    I am not interested in arguments in the "gopher is" style, in history there are no Ukrainian scientists, politicians, only a handful of amateurs who used local dialects from among the writers, and Gogol, as the most famous native, wrote in normal Russian. Wide trousers and embroidered shirts do not attract culture in any way.

    Again you are for your own. You are not satisfied with the official results of the census. You yourself invent myths, and then you wonder why, except for you, no one believes in them. When you are given specific tsyfri and there are no reciprocal arguments, insults are used. Once again I will sadden you - Ukrainians really live in Ukraine, who really, in the majority, know the Ukrainian language. I will scare you even more, and most of the citizens of other nationalities know the Ukrainian language. In communication, they can all use Russian, but this does not make them all Russian. And Ukrainian is really the only state language, and it is really used by state institutions, and all official correspondence is conducted in it (what a pity). As for imperialism and leadership. In sports, the leader is not the one who is the biggest, but the one who is better prepared. Therefore, it may be enough to "grow" by territories, and it's time to put things in order on those that are? Further, it is useless to prove to you that Ukrainians have something and someone to be proud of, and if you are so itching to google it for free. And finally - I have a great attitude towards Russians, I have friends among them, relatives live on Sakhalin, but I do not perceive the rudeness mixed with imaginary greatness and illiteracy. Although when watching your television via satellite, you get the feeling that I am watching a film based on Oruel's book "1984", where truth is a lie, and peace is war. So they don't create allies and don't make friends.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 18 October 2013 21: 24
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      If we talk about Crimea, then http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naselenie_Kryma official data, the Russian language is used by 97% of the population of Crimea. I'm not going to revise every region, but the fact is that Ukrainian is spoken only for show, almost all real communication takes place in Russian, which 100% of the population knows. The Ukrainian-language information space is practically absent. That is, even if some Konovalenko calls himself a Ukrainian during the census, because his grandfathers were called so in the era of indigenization, while not using the language, then he is Russian. The fact of knowing or not knowing the local dialects of Russian does not matter. In any case, conditions may dictate 80%, not 20. That is, Ukraine is a totalitarian-fascist state that oppresses Russians and its attempts to force 80% of the population to abandon their native language are qualified as genocide.

      One verbal diarrhea follows from all of your arguments with attempts to get away from the facts presented. I don't see any point in wasting time on you, you just showed what a real Ukrainian is.
      1. USMC
        USMC 20 October 2013 13: 06
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        Quote: Avenger711
        I'm not going to revise every region, but the fact is that Ukrainian is spoken only for show, almost all real communication takes place in Russian, which 100% of the population knows.

        and you come, "specialist", and see for yourself. but not to Donetsk and Lugansk, but go for a ride all over Ukraine! in places and teeth cannot be collected for such words. and sitting at home in a cozy armchair anonymously on the Internet you can write that the Chinese language is actually a dialect of the language of the Yakut peoples
    2. Cristall
      Cristall 18 October 2013 23: 05
      -1
      Great answer Sineys clearly and on the shelves!
  • Arkan
    Arkan 18 October 2013 19: 35
    +1
    In the heads of devastation!