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Eurasian Union: made in China?

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The press has become fashionable to compare China and Russia - not in favor of the latter. They say that a naive Russia is doing everything so that tricky China will become even more cunning and stronger. BRICS, they say, is China; the other four states are the carpet for the royal exit of the Middle Kingdom. Even the creator of the former acronym "BRIC" Mr. O'Neill - and he recently told the public that only one letter remained of the entire acronym. Which one? Of course, "K". And who was the star of the APEC summit? Of course, Xi Jinping. In the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, Russia does not set the tone either. Well, there are still plans for the Eurasian Union, you will say. Nesto the Chinese, and then - in the forefront? But what about? It is already stated that this union is indestructible - something like the permissible part of the Chinese project, in which Russia is given a small corner.


Eurasian Union: made in China?


Chinese people don't like to advertise their expansion. It is one thing when they talk about Beijing, another thing when they talk about international organizations or blocks. SCO is there, or BRICS. But anyway, Russia looks rather pale on the Chinese geopolitical background. Especially since the Celestial Empire began implementing a new economic policy aimed at turning the PRC into a center of post-industrial high technologies, and in Russia “things are still there”.

Recently, the State Council of the People's Republic of China published a plan to reduce its excess production capacity. Steel, aluminum, shipbuilding, glass production will be reduced. By the end of 2014, the government will complete production cuts. This information is provided by Sergey Serebrov (Utro.ru) with reference to the China National Radio, which conveyed the words of Industry Minister Miao Wei.

According to experts, the reform will positively affect the economy of the Middle Kingdom. According to the National Bureau of Statistics of China, industrial production growth today exceeds forecasts.

Now, China has taken the role of a global leader in high-tech products and technology creation. Outdated industries Beijing plans to transfer to the African continent, where, as they say, the "soil" has long been prepared. Together with obsolete production in Africa will go and that poisons the PRC environmental situation. The most environmentally unfriendly production - just steel with aluminum, shipbuilding, chemical industry, etc.

True, it is not clear, the journalist indicates that the Chinese who are left without work will be doing under the conditions of the new economic policy. Interesting and more. Changing the industrial strategy of the Middle Kingdom can collapse the markets. Who will get in the first place? Russia may be in the worst situation, the analyst believes. Given that much has been done in Russia to reorient export commodity flows from the West to the East, the decision of the PRC could be a disaster for Russian raw materials. And then there's the new unemployed Chinese. No matter how hard they “rushed for a better life” to the territory of their neighbor ...

Well, no, this can not be. So Comrade Si regularly talks about the friendship of nations. True, the development by Chinese official experts of the topic of the future of China, Central Asia and the Asia-Pacific region led to the only understanding that those who were geographically in the area of ​​the interests of the Middle Kingdom did not have a choice. You can be friends only with China, because the future on the planet is coming exclusively Chinese. And this is not bravado. China is not Iran, but Jinping and his advisers and administrators are not the team of Ahmadinejad or Rouhani. The Chinese very quickly grew to a strategic adversary of the United States, indicated in the relevant doctrine, from the year 2011 reoriented the Pentagon to the APR.

The official government mouthpiece of the People's Republic of China is the Renmin Jibao newspaper. October 10 on the Russian-language site of this newspaper published an article under the eye-catching title: “What differences exist in the strategies of China, the United States and Russia in Central Asia?”

As befits an official source of information, the newspaper began an article with the speech of the President of the People's Republic of China Xi Jinping on the theme “Develop friendship of peoples to create a wonderful future together. The Chinese leader spoke this speech on September 7 in Kazakhstan, where he put forward the idea of ​​the economic belt of the Silk Road.

The very next paragraph mentions the idea of ​​creating a “Eurasian Union”, which, as stated on the Chinese website, was put forward by Russia. It is immediately noted that this idea serves as a strategic pillar for restoring the “status of power”.

It was then that an unnamed journalist approached the issue of differences between the strategies of China, the United States and Russia in Central Asia.

We are interested in the question of Russia and China. The director of the SCO Research Center of the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences, Pan Guan, thinks about this.

Russia's idea of ​​developing the Eurasian Union is aimed at preserving the country's leading position in the post-Soviet space, while China’s “Silk Road Economic Belt” is a Eurasian economic zone that will include China, Central Asia and (even) Europe. The expert claims that such an idea reflects the “inclusive” development of the PRC. He further mentions mutual benefits. Within the framework of the “economic belt”, both the Eurasian Economic Community and the SCO can cooperate with each other.

In fact, let us add, China looks far further and wider.

Pan Guan explains that the new Chinese idea implies the unification of the SCO member states, observers and partners on the basis of the Silk Road. This is how China sees “inclusive development”, which is, of course, shaped “on the basis of existing differences, competition and cooperation”.

But under the Chinese wise leadership, we add from myself. After all, if you think about the words of an expert, then China has included all other projects in its project. The SCO has practically disappeared into the Silk Road. And if a child of the Eurasian Union is born into the world, then the life of the priest of the Chinese parents will live.

By the way, the idea of ​​the Eurasian Union, the one in question, does not belong to Russia. Its author is Nursultan Nazarbayev:

“For the first time in March 1994, I proposed to create a qualitatively new integration association in the CIS space - the Eurasian Union of States.

This idea was not accidentally promulgated by me in the academic audience of Moscow State University named after M. V. Lomonosov. I directly addressed the intellectual elite of the entire Commonwealth with a firm determination to pull out of the stupor the process of multilateral integration, in which he found himself two years after the creation of the CIS ”.


(Source: newspaper "News" from October 25 2011, the article "The Eurasian Union: from idea to stories of the future ”N. Nazarbayev).

Go back to China.

The idea of ​​the Eurasian Union is “finished off” by the characteristics of China’s competitive advantages set forth in the article “The Silk Road Economic Belt”: what competitive advantages does China have in Central Asia? ”, printed by the same People's Daily newspaper on the same day - October 10.

Wan Chengcai, head of the department for studying foreign policy of Russia at the Research Center for Development of the State Council of the People's Republic of China, outlined at least five major advantages of China. Moreover, characterizing the very first competitive advantage, the scientist immediately made a comparison with the “Eurasian Union” (on the website of the newspaper, the name will certainly be taken in quotes, we add from ourselves).

1. The advantage of the concept of development. Compared with the Russian “Eurasian Union” and the American “New Silk Road” plan, the expert notes, the Chinese “Silk Road Economic Belt” is a comprehensive project that extends to the East, West, North and South. It can benefit about 3 billion people.

2. Geographic advantage: China has a border with three countries in Central Asia.

3. The advantages of tradition: the Silk Road - ancient roots.

4. The countries of the Caucasus hope that the strategy of China in Central Asia will reach the Caucasus.

5. Finally, a financial advantage that four countries of Central Asia have already realized. Relations between China and these countries are raised to a strategic partnership, the expert said.

Another expert mentioned above, Pan Guan, recalls that the most obvious advantage of China is its economic power. This scientist is talking about the SCO.

Creating your own SCO bank is a Chinese proposal. It is with this financial structure that the development of the organization will be accelerated.

Therefore, the Chinese will again become the SCO engine. Well, they have the same advantages ...

Alexander Shustov ("Century") in the article “Beijing has pressed Moscow” writes:

“One of the intrigues is why did China need to run the fourth line of the gas pipeline through Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, when there is a successfully operating gas pipeline Turkmenistan - Uzbekistan - Kazakhstan - China? Difficult relations developed between the countries of Central Asia, and the coordination of such a route for Chinese diplomacy was a difficult task. The inclusion of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan in this scheme will further complicate the situation, and not only because of the complex mountainous terrain of their territory. Bishkek and Dushanbe had extremely tense relations with Tashkent, which during the escalation of the conflict around the construction of the Rogun hydropower station often delayed freight trains heading for Tajikistan to the border. Beijing seems to be seeking to diversify energy imports to the maximum. Today, it receives most of the oil from the Middle East, which, in the event of an aggravation of the situation, is capable of putting it in a difficult position. In contrast, gas and oil pipelines coming from Central Asia run deep in the continent and are much less susceptible to military cataclysms and pressure from the military fleets of other states. In this logic, fit and plans to use the territory of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. If, for some reason, the first three lines of the gas pipeline will stand, the fourth one will continue to work as before. ”


A. Shustov points out that analysts are wondering: will China replace Russia as a leading regional power?

Most likely, the author believes, in the future, Central Asia is waiting for geopolitical and economic fragmentation. According to A. Shustov, countries belonging to the Customs and Eurasian Unions will be linked to Russia, and the rest will choose China as the main partner, which over time will convert economic successes into political dividends.

Too many turns unions, add on my own. But the Celestial will eventually have only one project - the Chinese. Participation in other international projects for the PRC today is just a convenient screen for expansion. Sorry, for strategic friendship with nations. And there is nothing “bad” in that, but there is the most ordinary struggle for a place under the sun. The only question is who will press whom ...

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  1. Guun
    Guun 17 October 2013 09: 22 New
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    Dirty production in Africa and giving blacks work is clever. And develop everything else at home. Let's see what happens in 5 years.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 17 October 2013 09: 49 New
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      Quote: Guun
      Dirty production in Africa and giving blacks work is clever.

      And who said that there will be many blacks in production? They will deliver their production together with attendants there. They will add their people and get rid of harmful production. And the Negroes - well, maybe they will be cleaners and loaders and they will hire them. There it will be for happiness.
      1. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 17 October 2013 10: 02 New
        +9
        Quote: Egoza
        They will deliver their production together with attendants there.

        That’s for sure, one more chan-town has grown up its own bardel, its own kitchen, all its own and already looking.
    2. IRBIS
      IRBIS 17 October 2013 10: 33 New
      +6
      Quote: Guun
      And develop everything else at home. Let's see what will happen in 5 years.

      It will be the same as now in America - crisis and unemployment.
    3. edge
      edge 17 October 2013 16: 12 New
      +2
      True, it is not clear, the journalist points out what the Chinese who are left without work will do. as far as I know, a demographic crisis is coming up for them, a lot of people are retiring, and there is no one to feed them. Here and there are scrambled bonds .... quickly grab the film rolls, invest and cut the dividends from it until they are lowered; 1,5 years ago, the Americans they sold them 30 tons of tungsten instead of gold, and they ate and wiped nothing.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 17 October 2013 18: 26 New
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        Oleg, thanks for the saty. A very interesting topic you touch on is what intentions and what China wants. This is the first country from Asia to claim the title of superpower.
        On the one hand - y all of us have fears and fears of the largest state in the world. Especially its quiet and slow human expansion.
        But from the other side. Any superpower was interested in allies and, if I may put it that way, in the "buffer zone" along the perimeter of its borders. If we look at the Chinese borders, we will notice that there are problems with all of them. But with our countries (North and North-West China), the PRC signed the necessary. docs on the borders and does not put forward any more claims. What does it mean? Maybe they really see us as strategic partners and reliable allies? Or maybe this is a red herring to sort out the South and East Directions? There are many questions, but few answers. Often, in order to analyze a situation, one has to stand in the place of the "object".
        Let's take the place of China and imagine that China has such military power that it can compete with any strong army. And we have a desire to apply it. What is goal number 1? Dumayu, Taiwan (the 3rd economy in Asia, the former territory of China, after the 2nd World War. Became an independent country with the support of the United States. With the country that recognizes the independence of Taiwan, China breaks diplomatic relations). Good - hit and won quickly. What is the global reaction? The United States with its henchmen will not leave it like that. At least what they agree to is an economic blockade. China will not last long without raw materials and energy - the rest is abundant in China. By the sea, I think so, you will not drag anything. Yes, even they won’t be able to ship. An ally is needed who has the appropriate status, strength and resources. There is only one such country in the world, and it has a systematic border with the PRC. Moreover, it has everything that China needs. So, it seems to me that China is needed in Russia, and in strong Russia. Suppose a war with Russia. To get everything and immediately. Moscow will never accept the loss of the Far East and access to the Pacific Ocean. We'll have to shove to Moscow and the western borders - this is how many troops you need to have in order to control such territory. And what about Russia's nuclear weapons? And you will have to wait for food from Central Asia, Mongolia, Vietnam, and India — troops will have to be kept everywhere. The PRC will definitely not take such a risk, moreover, it may lose its territory (САР, Tibet, and the northern part). Even hypothetically. I’m not saying that Europe definitely doesn’t need it - but what about without Russian gas? The war with Central Asia is the same war with Russia. This leads to the conclusion - at least for me. China’s military actions against any country not approved by Russia (the Customs or the Eurasian Union) will lead to dire consequences for China.
        You can talk a lot on this topic. But I am convinced that the war between the PRC and the Russian Federation is a far-fetched "horror story." At least the PRC is not interested in this.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 17 October 2013 19: 34 New
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          Now about the economic component. It is no secret that the PRC is actively investing all over the world (especially in the raw materials industries). But at the same time, China is experiencing "forceful pressure from the West." The West does not intend to give up the Middle East, Africa and Latin America - it tries to "trip" everywhere. And we are now seeing this. This is one of the reasons for the outbreak of the "Arab Spring". A natural question arises - where can the raw material be taken "safely". China is also well aware that sea transport routes are easily blocked even by pirates. Y neighbors in the east, south and west are also "not thick". Only the countries of the north and northwest of the PRC remain. And everything is there (the option with the war was considered). Hence the statements in Kazakhstan about the economic belt.
          What is the conclusion for China? Do it yourself. And I would give a few facts.
          At the time of the collapse of the USSR, the cargo flow through the border of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the PRC was 250 thousand tons. At the moment, it's 25 mil. tons And growing every year. A new railway line was built through Khorgos. The highway Zap. China - Zap. Europe
          On the last turn the whale. the leader in Central Asian countries and Kazakhstan, intentions were signed for a total of about 50 billion dollars. 30 of them in Kazakhstan. Moreover, we must pay tribute - the Chinese quickly responded to criticism in our society, which China invests mainly in raw materials. This time, most of it is supposed to be in production - 20 out of 30. And, as it seemed to me, the creation of a vehicle spurred China.
          Recently see an interview with Minister in. affairs of China. There was a question about Syria. I don’t remember exactly how the question was posed. But the answer was something like this. China does not have such vast experience in conducting international affairs as Russia. We are still learning ...
          1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
            GELEZNII_KAPUT 17 October 2013 21: 05 New
            +1
            1,2,3,4,5 etc. - I do not think that China is in some strategically successful place on the map, all these pluses, its minuses! Carthage was also in a good place for trade, but as history shows, not only for trade ... the result, it was simply wiped off the face of the earth! hi
        2. Magadan
          Magadan 18 October 2013 06: 02 New
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          I absolutely agree with you, Kasym! With all due respect to Oleg, minus him. I do not believe in these horror stories about China. China will never trample on us with war. History shows who the aggressor is in this world. The Chinese themselves from the Japanese got in the 30s-40s and only thanks to us did they survive. And they remember that. The Japanese are the closest allies of NATO, i.e. and the enemies we have in common with China. China really needs a powerful rear, i.e. we. And China is really most interested in Africa. There are not only resources, but also a huge promising market for their consumer goods.
    4. bootlegger
      bootlegger 17 October 2013 22: 10 New
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      Well I do not know.
      China itself has such "blacks" living on $ 100 a month, 300-400 million.
      And well, China would still care about some kind of ecology.
      In my opinion, they are not up to it yet ..
  2. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 17 October 2013 09: 34 New
    +1
    If, in one way or another, an alliance with China can help Russia to one degree or another, it would be a sin to refuse it, so as for me, get out of the underground legions of hell and offer help in the struggle for world domination, then you should unite with them too , the only thing is, it would be necessary to let China and the United States fight each other, while we modestly stand on the sidelines, but the fact that the United States will sooner or later have to fight for the "Throne" with China is obvious to me.
    1. timer
      timer 17 October 2013 22: 34 New
      +1
      I believe that Russia needs to pursue a policy with China based on its geopolitical and economic priorities. At the moment, we need an alliance with China, primarily to deter the Anglo-Saxons. Yes, China is active economically. policy, where it builds, where it buys assets, incl. and in Russia (for example, the auto industry). Why not Russia in China begin to build or buy up assets and expand the Russian diaspora. And this applies not only to it, but also to the countries of Central Asia (double benefit). Because the Chinese diaspora in the Far East and in Primorye is growing menacingly, and the indigenous population is becoming smaller and smaller. But in no case should the Chinese sell the latest models of military equipment and equipment — it should be in the Russian army!
      And as regards the blocs, the SCO, BRICS, etc. Russia, it is necessary to carry out active work in them and not give the palm to China!
  3. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 17 October 2013 09: 41 New
    +4
    Strange, somehow, Japan, the new land, Britain, do not go chtoli?
    China needs to think about how to save everything that has been acquired, and God forbid not to have a meal with the Uyghurs, and here you are talking about some kind of Napoleonic plans, I even doubt that this is desired !!!
  4. ed65b
    ed65b 17 October 2013 09: 45 New
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    China has long littered its land with dirty waste and other chemicals. Well, the production will be transferred to Africa, but what will they feed their holders with? Do not forget that the bulk of the Chinese are still living in poverty. so that it may break out in China, despite its full potential.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 17 October 2013 10: 02 New
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      Quote: ed65b
      and what will they feed their holders with?

      "... Ukraine's agreement to lease to China 3 million hectares (!!!) of land for growing grain and meat for consumers from the Middle Kingdom. The lease term is 50 years. The first 100 thousand hectares will be allocated from high-quality agricultural land in the eastern part Dnepropetrovsk region. Then the territories of the Kherson region and Crimea will be leased "(the newspaper" Vremya.ua "article" Sell land - kill Ukraine) Moreover, pay attention - all the lands in the territories where the population is most attracted to Russia and advocates joining the Customs Union And the Chinese will also send "their specialists" to work on these lands.
      1. atalef
        atalef 17 October 2013 10: 50 New
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        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: ed65b
        and what will they feed their holders with?

        "... Ukraine's agreement to lease to China 3 million hectares (!!!) of land for growing grain and meat for consumers from the Middle Kingdom. The lease term is 50 years. The first 100 thousand hectares will be allocated from high-quality agricultural land in the eastern part Dnepropetrovsk region. Then the territories of the Kherson region and Crimea will be leased "(the newspaper" Vremya.ua "article" Sell land - kill Ukraine) Moreover, pay attention - all the lands in the territories where the population is most attracted to Russia and advocates joining the Customs Union And the Chinese will also send "their specialists" to work on these lands.

        Sorry, you can insert your 3 pennies. This summer I was in Ukraine (or in Ukraine, as you like), they leased it, and thank God, at least someone will work. We went with a father-in-law, no one does nichrome, the land hasn’t been plowed for many years, the brother-in-law went to Semfiropol at the same time, so in the Crimea there are fruits and potatoes imported. Even if the Chinese are growing something, but they are giving work to the locals, otherwise I don’t understand whether they took the land from the Ukrainian peasants - either they don’t have it, they’re not plowed, they’re from the father-in-law in the Chernigov region, the house, the earth is black soil, no one in the world can even dream of such a thing, you think someone is processing it - a bolt, they are selling everything on the markets - they are reselling Chinese borochlo. Thank the Chinese, tell me, maybe the Ukrainians will be returned to the land
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 17 October 2013 11: 35 New
          +5
          no one does nichrome, the land has not been plowed for many years,


          The fact is that people are not given land. But all sorts of owners of "agrofirms" grabbed land, but they do not know what to do with it. They are waiting for when it will be possible to resell!
          1. Mhpv
            Mhpv 17 October 2013 11: 43 New
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            Quote: Egoza
            Waiting for when it will be possible to resell!

            Over the course of a few years, the landowner is slowly withdrawing from the agricultural turnover by the owner, and then boldly selling it, so more than one hectare has been sold in the Moscow Region and is being sold, even forests (under the suit of fires in the Shatursky district) have been burnt out and not planted along the MBK, but now these territories are fenced and sale ads from the owner hang.
          2. atalef
            atalef 17 October 2013 12: 03 New
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            Quote: Egoza
            no one does nichrome, the land has not been plowed for many years,


            The fact is that people are not given land. But all sorts of owners of "agrofirms" grabbed land, but they do not know what to do with it. They are waiting for when it will be possible to resell!

            Elena, in the same Chernihiv region, you can BUY land for such pennies that it’s just ridiculous how much you want, there will be (a plot) beyond the horizon, just nobody needs it. In a father-in-law 5 hectares - near the house (he appears in it every 3 years) and even in the best case, the land is overgrown with weeds, and he didn’t need it so much, tried to sell it - as you can see, not only he doesn’t need it, he said to the locals, take it, plant it - you don’t need money, it's a pity, it’s just that so they told him - bring manure, we will plant. Some kind of nonsense
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 17 October 2013 19: 50 New
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              Quote: atalef
              in the same Chernihiv region, land can be BUY for such a penny,

              Do not forget that the Chernihiv region is one of (if not the most) VERY affected by Chernobyl. Until now, mushroom berries in forests with a dosimeter need to be collected. They’re fagots! And then do the verification. That’s why they’re afraid of buying something.
              1. atalef
                atalef 17 October 2013 20: 01 New
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                Quote: Egoza
                Do not forget that the Chernihiv region is one of (if not the most) VERY affected by Chernobyl. Until now, mushroom berries in forests with a dosimeter need to be collected. They’re fagots! And then do the verification. That’s why they’re afraid of buying something.

                Well, suppose because of this, they do not plow 9, although Belarus suffered as least as much, but) Poltava region. v. Teplovka, my father-in-law has another house there (though he was not there for about 6 years) And the same picture. it’s true that they didn’t even ask for manure there 9 and why is chernozem a meter thick). but nevertheless, everything is still overgrown with weeds.
        2. Orik
          Orik 17 October 2013 11: 54 New
          +1
          Give yours, but ours does not have to litter. Let the steam stand ... come in handy.
        3. Selevc
          Selevc 17 October 2013 23: 24 New
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          Quote: atalef
          Thank the Chinese, tell me, maybe the Ukrainians will be returned to the land

          Well, we had the Mongols, the Turks were, the Poles were, the French were, the Germans were and there were many others ... But there were no Chinese yet - so we are waiting !!! So to speak, the next enrichment of the gene pool :)))))))))
      2. Mhpv
        Mhpv 17 October 2013 11: 07 New
        +5
        In the Far East, harvesting several times a season, Chinese producers use a huge amount of pesticides, so the land after them remains unsuitable for farming for a long time.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 17 October 2013 10: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      China has long littered its land with dirty waste and other chemicals.

      So there, to the north of the earth, it is full, sparsely populated, relatively unpolluted, in the capable hands quite fertile, and most importantly, minerals like in China the Chinese and environmental pollution. Chinese leadership is just stupid will be if he does not mean it. True, the Russians are unlikely to agree with the Chinese plans, but the Chinese can come without asking. I would very much like the expression "on the Finnish-Chinese border so far everything is calm" remained in the anecdote of the Brezhnev era, and not in reality.
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 17 October 2013 10: 31 New
        +7
        Yes, yes, thanks for the clarification, we already understood everything, China is our enemy. Fight with the USSR, right there - China is in danger, America offers its help. Are you going to fight with China - Russia is in danger, we will help you. At the same time, methodical statements by the leadership of America - Madeleine Albright: "It is unfair that Russia owns such a huge territory." Condoleezza Rice: “Russia has too much land. Siberia must belong to the United States of America ”, it’s like that, we joke, such humor. But China, yes, there are terrible danger and adversity for Russia at every turn, continuously. At the same time, there are an order of magnitude more Chinese in America than in Russia, but for some reason this doesn’t bother you at all, but the terrible situation in Russia worries you and does not let you sleep directly. In my opinion you just want to grab Siberia for yourself, but are afraid that China will not let you go there.
        1. timer
          timer 17 October 2013 22: 50 New
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          I’ll write like this - how many Chinese are there in America or elsewhere - I am very worried that there are more and more of them in Primorye and in the Far East, in particular. And that our fucking government is doing nothing to increase the indigenous population, develop industry, agriculture, etc. (the region has a huge potential). The Chinese are not needed in Russia, let them go to Africa, and even to the moon, because they are not going to Russia with qualifications. Chinese.But China is not an enemy and we need it for now, so no need to distort it!
          1. Samy
            Samy 18 October 2013 04: 44 New
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            The question is, where are you from, Timer?
    3. andruha70
      andruha70 17 October 2013 11: 05 New
      +4
      Do not forget that the bulk of the Chinese are still living in poverty.
      here you are right. my colleagues, equipment was brought from China, a Chinese man was added to the equipment ... belay (real, lively ... lol ) He had to teach for 1 month, which buttons to press. and so: he has not left home for the second year, he says, why do I need to go home? there is a salary of $ 100
    4. a52333
      a52333 17 October 2013 11: 34 New
      +1
      Add another problem of aging (an echo of the program is one family, one child).
      There the future is in doubt.
  5. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 17 October 2013 09: 47 New
    +2
    Worthy!

    Now, China has taken the role of a global leader in high-tech products and technology creation. Outdated industries Beijing plans to transfer to the African continent, where, as they say, the "soil" has long been prepared. Together with obsolete production in Africa will go and that poisons the PRC environmental situation. The most environmentally unfriendly production - just steel with aluminum, shipbuilding, chemical industry, etc.
  6. Stiletto
    Stiletto 17 October 2013 09: 52 New
    +5
    Each country should work in its own interests. And there already time will show who will remain with his own, and who, at best, with his uncles. The main thing is not to consciously go under the uncle. This is nasty and unnatural.
  7. HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 17 October 2013 09: 58 New
    +2
    Here everyone uses the term expansion, in my opinion this is an empty phrase, like political dividends: there is no cultural seizure. There is only a military takeover. China enters the world stage as a center, so it should behave accordingly: push as the United States or the USSR. Perhaps the fact that Russia is fading, in a sense, into the background is good: it is much better to watch the United States and China butt, than to fend off the (or, in my opinion, distraught) China or the Chinese iron machine. Let China grow its hands towards the east, do not forget that it affects not only and not so much Russia, but the United States, albeit by harsh methods. Yes, let China join Afghanistan better, we have a lesser headache.
  8. Airman
    Airman 17 October 2013 09: 58 New
    -2
    Only our occupation government does not see a threat from China, and some of the advisers are seriously talking about the fact that the Chinese army is now strong and efficient, and is gaining strength every year. But she, you see, has not fought for a long time and has not won victories, like the commanders have no combat experience. And it is a very serious mistake to underestimate the threat from the Chinese side. Our current "commanders" also have no experience of military operations, and many "high" positions are bought for money earned by "backbreaking" work. The Chinese have the strongest military districts in the north, against Russia and Mongolia, but our General Staff "stubbornly" does not want to see this. Doesn't it look like 40-41 years?
    1. Walker1975
      Walker1975 17 October 2013 12: 07 New
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      And according to Russian television, China is building a powerful land army. Can put under arms 4 million people. Hope that they will fight with the USA? The Chinese do not have such a fleet to carry out powerful landings against the United States (as Napoleon could not land in England when the English fleet was superior, let the French army be superior to the English at that time).
      1. Airman
        Airman 17 October 2013 13: 28 New
        -4
        Quote: Walker1975
        And according to Russian television, China is building a powerful land army. Can put under arms 4 million people. Hope that they will fight with the USA? The Chinese do not have such a fleet,

        China now has the most powerful land army, and if mobilized, they will be able to deploy not 4 million, but 400 million army. So think about it.
        1. edge
          edge 17 October 2013 16: 34 New
          +4
          Quote: Povshnik
          and in case of mobilization they will be able to deploy not 4 million, but 400 million army. So think about it.

          it’s immediately clear that you don’t understand a damn thing in mobilization practice: exclude women, old people, children, providing industrial and agricultural capacities, the administrative apparatus, immigrants, it’s good if they crawl out at 3,5 lemas. Again, the issue of providing fuel, food, spare parts for military equipment (we purchase engines for airplanes from us) and here you have blown power, it follows from here ... a month, a half, and then a big w ..... pa
          1. SPAAARTAAA
            SPAAARTAAA 17 October 2013 19: 21 New
            0
            The USSR, with a population of 190 million people, before World War II, was able to mobilize about 2-10 million troops. And China, with a population of 15 billion. Do you think that it’s hard to get 1,3 llamas ???
          2. Walker1975
            Walker1975 17 October 2013 19: 55 New
            +1
            Russia has an army of 1 million with a population of 145 million, and in China a population of 1.5 billion could proportionally reach 10 million. And 4 million is quite realistic.
            1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
              GELEZNII_KAPUT 17 October 2013 20: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: Walker1975
              Russia has an army of 1 million with a population of 145 million, and in China a population of 1.5 billion could proportionally reach 10 million. And 4 million is quite realistic.

              I think the number is quite realistic and equalize, we have a very good "woodworking" industry! bully
  9. Predator-74
    Predator-74 17 October 2013 10: 03 New
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    Quote: ed65b
    China has long littered its land with dirty waste and other chemicals. Well, the production will be transferred to Africa, but what will they feed their holders with? Do not forget that the bulk of the Chinese are still living in poverty. so that it may break out in China, despite its full potential.

    So, experts from the USA predict the Chinese man-made and social disasters.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 17 October 2013 10: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Predator-74
      So, experts from the USA predict the Chinese man-made and social disasters.

      Let them look at their country better. The same picture awaits them.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 17 October 2013 10: 25 New
        +2
        I don’t know about the social catastrophe, everything can be expected from the Obama leadership, but everything is decent in the sense of protecting the environment. The laws on clean air and clean water are so harsh that many industries precisely because of this are transferred abroad, in particular to China itself, and by no means the cheapness of labor. In particular, semiconductor manufacturing is so automated that the price of labor is not a question. But the cost of waste treatment by American standards is several times higher than the cost of production itself. Well, electricity is expensive - also because its price includes the price of cleaning the exhaust of power plants that operate mainly on coal.
        1. grandfather
          grandfather 17 October 2013 12: 00 New
          +6
          Nagan you have erroneous data, just calculate how much nuclear power plants are in the United States, and then you can talk about coal, the environment, the Gulf of Mexico and the environment. And also, read how many harmful emissions in the United States you will be surprised in%. And what else is there on climate doesn’t sign? all the same pollution of the environment, what does the usa lead in the murder of the environment and the planet. (money is not important for the ush, smiled)
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 18 October 2013 00: 34 New
            0
            Quote: bearded
            Nagan you have erroneous data
            I don’t know where you get the data from, but I drink this water, breathe this air, walk in these parks, and eat agricultural products from these lands. While alive, and even quite healthy (sciatica does not count, nefig was unloading trucks in his youth).
            Quote: bearded
            just count how much nuclear power plants are in the United States, and then you can talk about coal, the environment, the Gulf of Mexico and the environment. And yet, read how many harmful emissions are in the United States in% you will be surprised.

            The Gulf of Mexico - well, British Petroleum screwed up there, well, they were ordered to pay for cleaning through the court, and, in addition, they were penalized - it didn't seem enough. And statistics - you know what happens "lies, blatant lies, and statistics."
            Quote: bearded
            what does shsha on climate not sign?
            Oddballs with the letter "M" named Clinton and Gore had the stupidity to sign an agreement, drawn up so cleverly that China and other Latin-Afro-Asians would profit from it, and the United States only losses. Essno Congress does not ratify this. And in general, judging by the last winter, global warming, first of all, is not global, and secondly, not warming. wassat
  10. Nix13
    Nix13 17 October 2013 10: 12 New
    +4
    A strong and ambitious neighbor close by, of course, causes some concern. But it seems to me very strange to attack a strong, "nuclear" neighbor, when there are weaker ones nearby. And the Chinese are not fools. More dangerous is the "quiet expansion" that is now taking place in the Far East. I don't think the government doesn't understand this.
    1. Walker1975
      Walker1975 17 October 2013 12: 09 New
      +5
      Military force can maintain quiet expansion. It does not interfere.
  11. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 17 October 2013 10: 16 New
    +5
    All the mentioned "unions", not any unions, and so, get-together, and an abbreviation. USSR, that was a union. The CIS, the Union State of the Russian Federation and the BR are the same. They are trying to turn Russia into such a "union", while the EU is trying to consolidate.
    China will still bring a surprise, and not just one, but, in my opinion, China is an alliance to itself and, just as it doesn’t plunge into allies, it doesn’t drag anyone into its allies.
  12. Ddhal
    Ddhal 17 October 2013 10: 30 New
    +3
    And then? What we wrote in the article we all knew and understood before.
    We need to think about how we can get on an ongoing basis an adequate system for the development of the Motherland and prevent more incompetence from coming to power ...
    Even without having seven spans, you can apply the positive experience of other countries, including Belarus .. for example, road taxes> in the cost of gasoline; the head of the enterprise cannot receive more than 15 times the average salary for the enterprise (or even better, X15 of the minimum wage for an employee); The traffic police receive awards not from protocols, but from accident-free operation, etc.
    1. Airman
      Airman 17 October 2013 11: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: DDHAL
      the head of the enterprise cannot receive more than 15 times than the average salary for the enterprise (and even better X15 from the minimum employee wage); GAI receives bonuses not from protocols, but from accident-free, etc.

      Well you are my friend, FANTASER! Who will remove himself from the feeder? It is necessary to REMOVE AUTHORITIES, they themselves do not leave.
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 17 October 2013 11: 20 New
        +2
        But what about ebn - "I'm tired, I'm leaving"?)
        1. Stiletto
          Stiletto 17 October 2013 12: 17 New
          +3
          Quote: chunga-changa
          But what about ebn - "I'm tired, I'm leaving"?)


          Well, after all, he was drunk ...
  13. hrych
    hrych 17 October 2013 10: 56 New
    +3
    It is funny to observe the analogy with Turkmen gas, only on a small scale.
  14. Basarev
    Basarev 17 October 2013 12: 01 New
    +2
    You see, man, even in the nineties, when the country was in terrifying devastation and poverty, when China had a real chance to overcome Siberia and the Far East - even then the Chinese were shy and did not dare. Now the country is incomparably stronger and therefore you can not worry about the eastern borders .And just the States should be afraid - only yesterday postponed the default. Postponed, but not eliminated.
  15. chushoj
    chushoj 17 October 2013 13: 00 New
    +1
    Either Russia needs to be set against China, or another socialism should be built in Russia. Now all analysts and experts are busy with this. Otherwise, Russia will take its rightful place in the world arena, and a significant proportion of underdeveloped countries will serve it.
    1. I think so
      I think so 17 October 2013 16: 50 New
      +1
      Strangely, you reason ... When Russia was a really powerful state (under socialism), you ascribe weakness to it, and when it almost breathes, you admire its "power" and attribute to it the opportunity to "take a worthy place." Are you adequate? Russia AGONIZES, and you dream of "serving her ... undeveloped countries." Funny you are right.
  16. runway
    runway 17 October 2013 13: 36 New
    0
    “What differences exist in the strategies of China, the United States and Russia in Central Asia?”
    Chinese President Xi Jinping answered this question: "To develop the friendship of peoples to jointly create a beautiful future." Clear business, for the fine future of China. The principle, as it was, remains one - weak countries seek to unite with strong. This will provide an opportunity to raise their economy and the standard of living of their citizens. So our guides would think about the future of Russia .... But no, only about ourselves, loved ones. And Russia is still rolling in international rankings in terms of living standards to the very end of the list. Only in terms of corruption, alcohol consumption, smoking and the number of suicides are we stable in the forefront.
    1. Swag
      Swag 17 October 2013 15: 09 New
      +5
      Look where the headquarters of the rating agencies are located, they will not write you yet.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 17 October 2013 20: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: piston
      And Russia is still rolling in international rankings in terms of living standards to the very end of the list.

      Not really and roll. There is no need to talk too much. A country cannot roll to the bottom to have first place in sales of Automobiles, bypassing Germany, which for a long time no one could have moved from this place. And this is according to German data.
      We have a big problem in the difference in income. But in America and Europe, this difference has been noticeably increasing recently.
  17. Black
    Black 17 October 2013 14: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Nix13
    More dangerous is the "quiet expansion" that is now taking place in the Far East. I don't think the government doesn't understand this.


    Our government understands everything! But between the conceptual and the active level, as always, there is a "Chinese" wall!
  18. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 17 October 2013 14: 53 New
    +3
    Why does everyone say that China alone has been thinking for millennia. Take Russia, she, not counting one decade at the beginning of the 20 century, and one at the end, led an imperial, expansionary policy, albeit under different flags. And China in its history more than once or twice, everything that it has been accumulating and collecting for centuries has been rapidly losing. The population of the Celestial Empire was reduced as a result of internal strife, serious disruptions in the national economy, trade, management, and as a result, hunger and disease to 90%.
    1. Swag
      Swag 17 October 2013 15: 15 New
      +5
      Here I am talking about this. The Japanese wrinkled them, the British poisoned them with opium, where their cunning and strategic vision were. And if it weren’t for the USSR, now it’s not known what would happen in China. One story about sparrows ...
  19. Swag
    Swag 17 October 2013 15: 06 New
    +5
    I scrambled "ikspert", tired of reading, it's not the Chinese, but supermen. And they are smart and cunning and look into the future, and so on, but here we are fools ... You can, of course, move production to Africa, but it's risky, what will happen there tomorrow is unknown .50 years I live 40 km from China and I have heard about the expansion of the last 20 - there is no expansion, I tell you as an eyewitness. A little more, and the Chinese worker will demand a decent wage for his work and the Chinese economy. After the reduction The worker will not go to the village again, he has already been there ... Yes, they are investing, but they are buying up, well done, they have a whole Politburo for that, you won’t get overwhelmed. And by the way, we sold our raw materials to them for 20 years in advance, the money is already took, so the deliveries are scheduled, in any case. China is good, there is no bazaar, but you don't need to exaggerate its successes, China has problems above the roof, it would have to keep its own.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 17 October 2013 18: 55 New
      +2
      But in fact, China has tremendous successes and even the status of a superpower ... In overdeveloped coastal cities.
  20. Victor
    Victor 17 October 2013 17: 45 New
    0
    Who rises very quickly, then he falls with a great roar. THE USSR. from the point of view of historical retrospective, it also rose very quickly in terms of production, scientific and technological progress, almost the same twenty years, from the fifties to the mid-seventies, after which industry stagnation and a decline in production began. Then, as you know, the collapse of the Soviet empire. Everything happened before our eyes. Similarly, China is waiting. Moreover, the cat cried for its own scientific base, and stealing technology is becoming more and more difficult. Plus very big intra-ethnic problems. China will tear. Not on Senka trying on a hat.
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  21. polly
    polly 17 October 2013 17: 51 New
    +2
    All Far Easterners from these horror stories about China are already tired. I was born and have lived all my life in Primorye, and on this site I have repeatedly spoken about the same thing as Khabar.
    1. Gato
      Gato 17 October 2013 21: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: polly
      All Far Easterners from these horror stories about China are already tired.

      Dear Pauline! A chicken pecking a grain of wood, and an adult dragon has already opened its mouth the size of a quarry excavator.
  22. WIN969
    WIN969 17 October 2013 18: 19 New
    +1
    All these thoughts are useless. Nobody knows what will happen tomorrow, the time will come and see.
  23. os9165
    os9165 17 October 2013 19: 07 New
    +1
    I recalled the saying "a Jew cried when a crest was born" Now we can say that a crest will cry if he contacts the Chinese. And we are even far from a Jew.
  24. vostok1982
    vostok1982 17 October 2013 19: 50 New
    +1
    Yes, this is all nonsense. China is a country of merchants, not warriors. In the coming period of turbulence, it will immediately become clear who is the elder brother in the family and the defender, and who just knits brooms for the whole village and imagines himself an important lump.
    1. Gato
      Gato 17 October 2013 21: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: vostok1982
      Yes, this is all nonsense. China is a country of merchants

      A colleague, a country of merchants - this is definitely not China. Rather, a country of artisans, peasants and, unfortunately, good industrialists (at present). By the way, there were always enough scientists and simply talented people - the country is then large.
  25. Glorious
    Glorious 17 October 2013 19: 52 New
    0
    And in the picture "New Earth" is somehow suspiciously different color from the rest of the union is painted - minus the author
  26. gastrocit
    gastrocit 17 October 2013 20: 09 New
    +4
    I support Polly himself from Ussuriysk, they constantly scare me with this Chinese expansion. it's all just horror stories here in the 90s then they behaved very impudently and smoked on the buses and told the military they would start a war we smelled you, now everything is completely different a big bunch of Chinese were evicted from here and put down and tamed. in business there are, as it were, no less than the same Caucasian comrades, there are no special problems here. and control is absolutely necessary. but I want to look at the situation in the world from a slightly different angle! what does the last political situation show !?
    1. Syria and the attempts around it are the United States. All ! politicians and analysts shouted that the kaput was in trouble, we should defend together with China, because in that region and its political interests !!! and where is china? but what kind of game was started. good mnogohodovka. Protests in Turkey on the principle of the beloved Tulpan revolutions (in my opinion, the first Russian experience in waging wars in a new quality and only here is the stony presence of China).
    2. The scandal with a wiretap before the figure eight (here only the vector of Russia)
    3. Well, for a snack, Snowden I want to remind you that such a great China again did not want to get in touch with the United States, but sent Snowden quietly.
    and just do get the impression that for all the past time since the fall of the Union, Russia was able to bend the Anglo-Saxons, alone, as it were, with a solo part. For what honor and respect.
    Well, China continues to act according to Eastern wisdom: it sits on a branch like a wise monkey and looks at the battle of a snake with a dragon.
    and another thought, the main problem of China is gold-volatile reserves, or rather volute to mine, 3,5 trilon dolariks and he processes all this paper pulp as much as he can that he cannot save. So, I think China is very much dependent on the external outlook more likely than Russia, because the domestic market, it can’t swing, the really large mass of the population of China are downward peasants and domestic demand rests against the wall from the poor.
  27. gastrocit
    gastrocit 17 October 2013 20: 19 New
    +1
    a lion with a dragon)))
  28. klavyr
    klavyr 17 October 2013 20: 43 New
    -2
    again, Russia will have to choose from two evils (if it dies): ne ... iki-atheists or Chinese-Muslims. I bet on the Chinese-Chinese (new nation) let them destroy the entire homo-pedo-branch in the whole earth
    1. avg
      avg 17 October 2013 21: 23 New
      +4
      again, Russia will have to choose from two evils (if dying)

      Yes, do not be so scared. We have neighbors in the customs union and there are wonderful potential allies. India and Vietnam, and there are others. It only needs the Foreign Ministry and so on. work more closely and purposefully with them, and pay less attention to the US and the geyropu.
      1. klavyr
        klavyr 18 October 2013 00: 44 New
        0
        Queen of Heaven! Eradicate all malice and enmity from us!
  29. Gato
    Gato 17 October 2013 21: 04 New
    0
    Recently, the State Council of China published a plan to reduce excess production capacity.

    And who expected something different? China is moving to another "level".
    The era of the "worldwide workshop" is ending (how quickly!).
    I do not want to learn Chinese. No.
  30. poquello
    poquello 17 October 2013 22: 02 New
    +2
    The Yangtze voice is heard on the Volga,
    The Chinese see the radiance of the Kremlin.
    We are not afraid of a military thunderstorm,
    The will of nations is stronger than a thunderstorm,
    Our victory is praised by the Earth.

    http://sovmusic.ru/text.php?fname=chinese
  31. klavyr
    klavyr 18 October 2013 00: 37 New
    0
    HA HA HA !!!
  32. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 18 October 2013 07: 27 New
    +2
    As the author strangely predicts, the Chinese seem to be the most intelligent others on the planet. China will develop to seize land and markets, the rest will only humbly watch. Does the author want to or so fantasize?
  33. Rostovchanin
    Rostovchanin 18 October 2013 08: 53 New
    0
    Great article. Let us be realistic, in our hemisphere and in the long term and throughout the world, China is the most powerful power. In my opinion, there are two main reasons for this - the lack of democracy as a factor holding back development and the almost complete absence of corruption. Our country has traded the leader's place for luxury for the ruling elite, with the tacit consent of the people among other things. So the phrase - learn Chinese from a joke turns into a guide to action.
  34. individual
    individual 18 October 2013 09: 13 New
    +1
    Hmm. The USA has evolved consistently over the centuries.
    China does this in just 20 years, turning from nothingness into an economic monster.
    Will the Chinese mentality cope with such a rapid development?
    The psyche and national foundations are being broken.
    It is believed that the CREATOR puts a big experiment in human development on the example of China.
    Let's see what he brings with him.
  35. sergius60
    sergius60 18 October 2013 09: 30 New
    +2
    Dear, China has FIVE complaints to its neighbors - 1. Taiwan, 2. Spratly Islands, 3. Duido, Okinawa (control over the exit from the South China Sea), 4. South Tibet, 5. Outer Mongolia.
    "Golovnyak" will be enough for the next 50 years. Moreover, the territory is really native, taken from China during the "opium wars". And without the immediate risk of running into a "vigorous loaf". So if the Chinese comrades do not begin to deal with these issues in the coming decades, then the war with Russia they all the more, and nafig not needed.
  36. pamero
    pamero 18 October 2013 19: 12 New
    0
    the Chinese are such a people that they will be told something and they will do it they will say communism they will communism they will say capitalism they will build it with pleasure. Pts are tricky!
  37. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 20 October 2013 09: 23 New
    0
    The Chinese do not like to advertise their expansion. It is one thing when they talk about Beijing, and another when it comes to international organizations or blocs. SCO there, or BRICS. But anyway, Russia against the Chinese geopolitical background looks rather pale.

    This is China against the background of Russia that looks pale - an excess of impoverished people, a lack of competitive science, stolen technology, a lack of natural resources, a technically backward weak army, and fantastic, unrealistic projects.
    The Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward seem to have taught the Chinese nothing. They took the growth of production due to Western technologies and investments for their own achievements. If the investment ends, the Chinese "economic miracle" will also end.