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Ukraine abolished universal military service

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Ukraine abolished universal military service

President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych canceled universal military service. He signed a decree on the transition of the army to a contract basis and on the latest conscription to the armed forces of the country. However, he stressed that recruitment for military service would remain in the internal troops.


Yanukovych explained that the transition of the army to a contract basis is due to the fact that modern combat equipment requires professionals. It is in the hands of these professionals that the security of the state will be given.

According to the Minister of Defense of Ukraine, currently 180 thousand people serve in the country's army, of which 100 thousand serve in the logistics support units. It is expected that after the reform of the armed forces of Ukraine, the number of combat units will be 70 thousand, and logistics support - 50 thousand people.

Most contractors serve in the Navy, Air Force and Special Forces, least of all in the ground forces. Since the beginning of 2013, thousands of people have entered the 6,8 under the contract to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, this figure will reach 7 by the end of the year. Next year, thousands more will enter 4,8 contract service, in 2015 - about 5 thousands, and in 2016-17 - 4,5-5 thousands of people, ITAR-TASS reports.
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  1. Hikar
    Hikar 15 October 2013 09: 49
    14
    aha, judging by the arithmetic by the years to the 2050s, slowly and it’ll get 120 thousand lads
    1. Civil
      Civil 15 October 2013 09: 55
      -7
      This is good news, which means that it will be possible to take away blood illegally held by Ukraine with little blood.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 10: 08
        16
        Quote: Civil
        This is good news, which means that it will be possible to take away blood illegally held by Ukraine with little blood.

        Illegally ... hmm ... the law. that drawbar, where he turned, it turned out there. Wrong solution to the issue. We need to follow in the footsteps of America, pay and convince agents of influence in the government of Ukraine, organize a referendum on Ukraine’s accession to the Customs Union with the subsequent integration of the financial system. Well, there is a stone's throw to complete unification.
        1. Civil
          Civil 15 October 2013 10: 41
          +2
          Ingvar 72

          This is including.
      2. apostol88
        apostol88 15 October 2013 10: 14
        +4
        Little blood does not work "Dear"! am
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 10: 22
          26
          Quote: apostol88
          Little blood does not work "Dear"! am

          Blood, large and small, must be let out to enemies, and not to each other. stop
          1. apostol88
            apostol88 15 October 2013 10: 24
            +5
            Nor did I start it! But I could not keep silent !!! am
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 10: 27
              +7
              And it offends me for Crimea, but geopolitical goals should not be limited to small-town insults. We have one homeland, though across the border.
          2. revnagan
            revnagan 15 October 2013 16: 19
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Blood, large and small, must be let out to enemies, and not to each other.

            Well, let's ask the Civilian, and whose blood, in fact, did he mean, this "Anika the warrior"?
      3. georg737577
        georg737577 15 October 2013 10: 30
        +6
        Do you agree to shed your blood?
      4. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 15 October 2013 10: 40
        +4
        Quote: Civil
        This is good news, so it’s possible to take away with little blood the territories illegally held by Ukraine

        And you probably don't think with your blood?
      5. Kars
        Kars 15 October 2013 12: 37
        +5
        Quote: Civil
        mean little blood

        Don’t worry. If I personally add a little bit of blood from myself. From the principle.
      6. bezumnyiPIT
        bezumnyiPIT 15 October 2013 14: 00
        +5
        You yourself, brother, shoot the blood brothers?
        1. Kars
          Kars 15 October 2013 16: 28
          +1
          Quote: bezumnyiPIT
          You yourself, brother, shoot the blood brothers?

          I myself decide who my brother is, and it’s possible that someone who came with arms to my land (I’m sorry for the pathos) may be uninvited by me. And there were historical incidents. Moreover, the Russian army does not consist entirely of Slovens. And the inhabitants of the Caucasus, etc. are even close I'm not brothers.
          1. dry off
            dry off 15 October 2013 18: 44
            0
            "I am not a brother" (C) film Brother2
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 20: 38
            0
            Quote: Kars
            I myself decide who my brother is, and it’s possible that the person who came with arms to my land (excuse me for pathos) by me uninvited

            Your words are reminiscent of the behavior of brothers clinging to a section of an apartment on their mother’s grave. stop
            1. Kars
              Kars 15 October 2013 20: 50
              +1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              clutching from behind a section of an apartment on a mother’s grave

              it’s Mine? Or maybe Civil Brothers?
              at least if I honestly got this transfer into close ties I got a long time ago. you won’t get me with it. who personally comes with weapons-Romanians-RF-Turks doesn’t care about me anyway. I’m not saying that according to my military specialty everything’s all coordinates
      7. wk-083
        wk-083 15 October 2013 20: 42
        0
        what nonsense?
      8. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 15 October 2013 22: 10
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        to take away the territories illegally held by Ukraine.

        torment bend, slave ...
    2. domokl
      domokl 15 October 2013 10: 29
      10
      There’s politics. Russia is just saying, but we’ve already done. But seriously, Ukraine simply cannot support the army. This will create small, but well-trained rapid reaction forces. But this, in turn, means that Ukraine will practically become defenseless in the event of a serious war and its path, in the sense of defense, only to NATO (again in the case of signing the treaty) winked
      1. Akim
        Akim 15 October 2013 10: 39
        +6
        Quote: domokl
        . But seriously, Ukraine simply cannot support the army.

        It is idiocy to make a year of urgency. I would return two, but this is not possible. Therefore, the only way out is recruiting under the contract.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 11: 06
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          I would return two, but this is not possible. Therefore, the only way out is recruiting under the contract.

          Why is it impossible?
          1. Akim
            Akim 15 October 2013 11: 21
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Why is it impossible?

            The world is different, the time is different, people are different. No one wants to lose for two whole years. Russia is now full of deviators. And imagine a service life of 2 times increase.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 15 October 2013 11: 32
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              And imagine a service life of 2 times increase.

              Yes, everything is real, there would be a Will. And at our tops it is not visible. Yes, and yours too.
        2. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz 15 October 2013 12: 30
          +3
          Quote: Akim
          It is idiocy to make a year of urgency. I would return two, but this is not possible. Therefore, the only way out is recruiting under the contract.

          I would suggest having a contract and draft army in parallel. Recruiting 1 year. Military sports camp in the region. 18-25 years old. The opportunity to go through the neighborhoods for a year. It will always allow you to have a reserve, to learn how to shoot and physical education. From here to recruit a contract.
          Ideally, there should still be 3-4 Cossack Troops. Which now actually is, but are not brought to a normal battle. The correct laws on the Cossacks, the curatorship of the Ministry of Defense (following the example of the Military Program) training and preparation centers, rights and obligations, weapons.
          For Russia, 7-11 Cossack Troops. And so it is.
          1. Akim
            Akim 15 October 2013 12: 46
            +1
            Quote: gladiatorakz
            Recruiting 1 year. Military sports camp in the region. 18-25 years old.

            By this principle, reservists are recruited into the Ukrainian army. Service life 5 years. A couple of months a year fees.
            1. gladiatorakz
              gladiatorakz 15 October 2013 16: 48
              0
              Quote: Akim
              By this principle, reservists are recruited into the Ukrainian army. Service life 5 years. A couple of months a year fees.

              Correctly. Only goals and age group are slightly different. Once upon a time, there was a military camp in the schools of the NVP. Here on this type, only a reinforced version. Fizeau, fire, tactics, engineering. Ideally, RB and psychology.
          2. almost demobil
            almost demobil 15 October 2013 16: 14
            0
            Yanukovych explained that the transition of the army to a contractual basis is due to the fact that modern military equipment requires professionals.
            I wonder if Ukraine has this, the most modern military equipment? I wouldn’t laugh. lol
      2. Civil
        Civil 15 October 2013 10: 43
        -5
        domokl

        Their choice has long been made. Therefore, stop trying to be friends with a potential adversary.
        1. MG42
          MG42 15 October 2013 11: 24
          +4
          Quote: Civil
          This is good news, which means that it will be possible to take away blood illegally held by Ukraine with little blood. Their choice has long been made. Therefore, stop trying to be friends with a potential adversary.

          The Kremlin will not decide on a war with Ukraine, because it is very dumb to say so = this is not Georgia after all ..
          Compare the population of Ukraine and the number of reservists, of course, you must take into account the loyalty of Russia to the East of the South and Crimea, but there are many but ..
      3. Kars
        Kars 15 October 2013 12: 40
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        Ukraine will practically become defenseless in case of serious wars

        And who is planning to seriously fight with Ukraine? Are we surrounded by wild dictatorial regimes? The only probable enemy you could buy 12 F-16 ate was, and then 4 will be waiting for them for a year.
        1. tungus
          tungus 15 October 2013 15: 36
          +6
          Quote: Kars
          And who is going to fight seriously with Ukraine

          Offhand Turkey. And most importantly, there is a reason. Crimea de jure cannot belong to Ukraine. According to the Russian-Turkish treaty, Crimea belongs to Russia without the right to transfer it to third parties. In the event that Crimea leaves Russia, it will automatically return to Turkey.
          Now a possible scenario. In Crimea, mass unrest of the Crimean Tatars. They demand independence. Ukraine is trying to quell unrest. Tatars turn to Turkey for help. Turkey introduces troops. Everything. Not a single EU country will stand up for Ukraine. NATO will also stand by.
          Until now, this has not happened only thanks to the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol. And what will happen when you join NATO and demand the withdrawal of the Black Sea Fleet? Indeed, such conversations are already underway by Ukrainian politicians.
          1. Akim
            Akim 15 October 2013 15: 44
            +3
            Quote: tungus
            According to the Russian-Turkish treaty, Crimea belongs to Russia without the right to transfer it to third parties. In the event that Crimea leaves Russia, it will automatically return to Turkey.

            Goofies are coming back. Exactly 10 years ago, your zhurnalyugi raised this issue. There is an official answer from Ankara.
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 15 October 2013 15: 52
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              Goofies are coming back. Exactly 10 years ago, your zhurnalyugi raised this issue. There is an official answer from Ankara.

              It’s like in a famous song:
              Then the Turks scare us, they say vile fly (or take our Crimea?) ...
              That Romanians somewhere bark, then the Poles say. laughing
            2. tungus
              tungus 15 October 2013 16: 10
              +2
              Quote: Akim
              Exactly 10 years ago, your magazines raised this issue. There is an official answer from Ankara.

              And three years ago, Erdogan received Assad and called him a friend. And he said that the policy of Turkey is zero problems with neighbors.
              And the US representatives promised Gorbachev that not one of the former ATS countries would be annexed to NATO.
              And Sarkozy was very friendly with Gaddafi. He even financed his election campaign.
              Are you really so naive? The weak are always beaten. Always and all.
              Crimea in Ukraine only thanks to the Black Sea Fleet.
              1. Akim
                Akim 15 October 2013 16: 20
                +1
                Quote: tungus
                Are you really so naive? The weak are always beaten. Always and all.

                There is an official answer. So your de jure according to the Kuchuk-Kaynardzhii agreement is sucked out of your finger. The Republic of Turkey and the Ottoman Empire are the same difference as modern Russia and the Russian Empire. Turkey, unlike you personally, is not interested in the instability in the Black Sea region.
                1. tungus
                  tungus 15 October 2013 16: 43
                  +3
                  Quote: Akim
                  Turkey, unlike you personally, is not interested in the instability in the Black Sea region.

                  Who told you that? Turkey is reviving the Ottoman Empire, and Turkey’s position on Syria is proof of this. However, Erdogan says it out loud.
                  Now about naivety. There are no unshakable positions in politics. There is a conjuncture in politics.
                  Now that Russia is in fact an ally of Ukraine, all interested parties understand that if something happens, they will have to deal not with the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but with the Russian Armed Forces. That is, with the armed forces of a country that is a global player on the world stage. With armed forces with nuclear weapons. With a country-permanent member of the UN Security Council. That is why there are no real claims against Ukraine today. But this does not mean that they will not be tomorrow. And if Ukraine quarrels with Russia, it gets so wide that Russia ceases to be an umbrella for it, then the situation will change, and the political positions of Ukraine’s neighboring countries will also.
                  But Ukraine alone will not be able to maintain its territorial integrity. She will not be able to withstand even Poland, what can I say about Turkey.
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 15 October 2013 16: 52
                    +2
                    You are a direct politician of the first half of the 20th century. Poland, Turkey ... Yes, it is easier for these countries to influence economically than to grind teeth from anger. Romania - yes. The country does not represent anything economically, so they can invent an external enemy there. And drop the tale about the allies. I still remember Tuzla. If there is a desire, nothing will stop.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 15 October 2013 16: 59
                      +3
                      Quote: Akim
                      You are a direct politician of the first half of the 20 century

                      He’s just a naive person. Everything in the world is now held by Russia. It’s interesting why nobody has conquered Belgium yet, they even wrote off tanks there. She took France and joined her, she has nuclear weapons, while someone below claims that she six of the USA, but what is the difference to them?
                    2. tungus
                      tungus 15 October 2013 17: 16
                      +1
                      Quote: Akim
                      You are a direct politician of the first half of the 20 century

                      Politics, it does not change. Any state, if it is a STATE, is trying with all its might to become stronger and bigger, simultaneously weakening and subjugating its neighbors. Methods may vary, but the goal is unchanged. So it was, is and will be.
                      As for Poland and Turkey ... The expediency of economic influence is true when political and military influence does not pass. Because the first is more expensive.
                      About the allies. I said that Russia is an ally of Ukraine in fact. If tomorrow the troops of third countries invade Ukraine, then Russia cannot help but intervene. No way. Not interference will lead to government non-legitimacy but will not stop military assistance. Too much unites us. Too many relatives live on opposite sides of the border. Too much shared story. Too many Russians in Ukraine and Ukrainians in Russia.
                      Help will be in any case. But there is one thing.
                      Help may be to the state of Ukraine.
                      Or maybe the Ukrainian people. This is in the event that "if Ukraine falls out with Russia, it will fall apart so much that Russia will cease to be an umbrella for it."
                      In the second case, there will be no independent Ukraine, but there will be a republic of Ukraine as part of the Russian Federation.
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 15 October 2013 17: 27
                        +1
                        Quote: tungus
                        and then, when the political and military influence does not pass. Because the first is more expensive.

                        Just the military is the most expensive.
                        Quote: tungus
                        that one. If tomorrow the troops of third countries invade Ukraine, then Russia cannot help but intervene. No way. Non-intervention will lead to government non-validity but will not stop military assistance

                        Vryatli someone invades
                        Budapest 1994 Memorandum of the Year
                        According to the Memorandum of the USA, the Russian Federation and the United Kingdom of goiters:
                        povazhati independence, sovereignty that is the cordon of Ukraine;
                        utrimuvatisya vid threaten by force, її vikoristannya against territorial іncіlіsіnostі / polіtichno і independence of Ukraine; N_yaka хkhnya zbroya nikoli will not be victorious against it, except for self-defense, but be a kind of the highest rank of the United Nations Statute;
                        take advantage of the economic vise that is hidden on those who want to respect their interests in respect of their Ukrainian rights, their sovereignty, their rejection;
                        house the non-guilty ones from the side For the sake of the UN security with the aim of giving additional assistance to Ukraine, if you will become a victim of an act of aggression about the threat of aggression against the victims of the nuclear war;
                        do not stumble upon a nuclear attack against Ukraine, besides attacking them yourself, таhіnі pіdopіchnі terіtorії, zbroynі sily, ikhhnіkh allied;
                        Conduct consultations at the diagnosis of the situation, as long as there is a supply of food, one hundred percent of the goiters.


                        . And vryatli Russia intervenes, why is this? Is it in any bilateral agreement?
                        Quote: tungus
                        Too much shared story.

                        All this is sophistry. Although it is certainly so easy to tell when in fact there is nobody to attack Ukraine. And the main fears in relation. It is precisely Russia that causes independent Ukraine precisely, and its great-imperial ambitions of the GDP of the First Importer are all about.
                  2. Civil
                    Civil 15 October 2013 17: 22
                    +1
                    tungus
                    Now that Russia is in fact an ally of Ukraine

                    Why maintain allied relations with a country that does not want this? It may be worth being smarter and begin to strengthen in this direction, they will never be friends. It is better to disperse in the process of dividing the territory of the Ukrainian SSR and by will of some of the leaders who came to an almost hostile Ukraine, where the RUSSIANS are to blame.
                    1. tungus
                      tungus 15 October 2013 17: 53
                      +4
                      You won't be able to disperse. They have a frenzy of svidomitos there, but it's all superficial, artificial. I mean the Russians who consider themselves "independent Ukrainians". I don't take Poles from western Ukraine into account.
                      You see, it's just brainwashing. We were united and strong, and now we have been disconnected and brainwashed, and to us and to them, God forbid, we are not united again. And again they did not become strong — those who controlled half the ball.
                      Brains are washed, some have already washed everything, but our community is on a genetic level. If volunteers went to Yugoslavia to fight for the Serbs, then they would follow the Ukrainians into divisions. And that will be right.
                  3. morpex
                    morpex 15 October 2013 21: 02
                    +2
                    Quote: tungus
                    Turkey revives the Ottoman Empire

                    Wow!!! Let's move on ... Germany is reviving the Third Reich! Poland-great Poland! Romania - Greater Romania! Lithuania - The Grand Duchy of Lithuania!. Russia - the Russian Empire! Didn’t forget anyone? Poor Ukraine. Everything around is GREAT, one is small .... And everyone wants it ... And everyone has complaints .. Give us something, give it back ...
                    And do not choke GREAT?
            3. Kars
              Kars 15 October 2013 17: 12
              +1
              Yeah nice photo. Interesting when reposted on the news feed.
              1. Corneli
                Corneli 15 October 2013 17: 17
                0
                Quote: Kars
                Yeah nice photo. Interesting when reposted on the news feed.

                2 "rusty" strongholds that the Thai people abandoned? Mona's link?
                1. Kars
                  Kars 15 October 2013 17: 38
                  +2
                  Quote: Corneli
                  2 "rusty" strongholds abandoned by the Thais

                  Yes no rusty this is Iraqi BTR-4
                  These Thais abandoned 2011 and buy UVZ products
          2. Kars
            Kars 15 October 2013 16: 34
            +2
            Quote: tungus
            Offhand Turkey. And most importantly, there is a reason. Crimea de jure cannot belong to Ukraine.

            Offhand, it’s almost not realistic. Although it will be quite interesting how Turkey will be able to explain its aggression to the UN, while secretly preparing for the landing operation.
            And Crimea belongs to Ukraine both de facto and de jure. Without any subjunctive declension.
            Quote: tungus
            According to the Russian-Turkish agreement

            However, none of the signatory states does not exist.
            Quote: tungus
            Until now, this has not happened only thanks to the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol.

            Naturally)) only to them darling and holds.
            1. tungus
              tungus 15 October 2013 17: 39
              +2
              Excuse me, how did the US explain to the UN the invasion of Iraq? And how was NATO's invasion of Yugoslavia explained? And how does Turkey explain to the UN the invasion of Syria? In fact, militants fighting the Syrian army are trained and armed in Turkey. From the same territory they attack the ATS.
              No one will explain anything to anyone. Power rules the world. Enough if the Turks and the Americans come to a consensus.
              America needs chaos near the borders of Russia. And in Russia itself too. They set fire to the North Caucasus, set it on fire and Ukraine is not difficult. The question here is not in complexity but in expediency. If the states decide that the alliance with Ukraine against Russia is less valuable than the chaos and war that could spread to Russia, they will give the go-ahead to Turkey and Poland and to everyone else. And the rest will go. How they went to Iraq, to ​​Libya, to Afghanistan. Moreover, Turkey will never miss the opportunity to acquire territories, knowing that it is being covered by the states. And if they guarantee that Russia will not intervene. Or, if something happens, they will oppose Russia on a united front. There are a lot of possibilities.
              In fact, why do you think that Ukraine is more valuable to the West than the same Yugoslavia?
              1. Kars
                Kars 15 October 2013 17: 47
                +2
                Quote: tungus
                Excuse me, how did the US explain to the UN the invasion of Iraq? And how was NATO's invasion of Yugoslavia explained? And how does Turkey explain to the UN the invasion of Syria?

                You do not confuse Turkey with the United States. Or tell us how the Russian Federation explained the invasion of Georgia.
                But there is no Turkish invasion of Syria yet.
                Quote: tungus
                America needs chaos near the borders of Russia. And in Russia itself too. They set fire to the North Caucasus, set it on fire and Ukraine is not difficult.
                Of course, Russia does not need chaos in the Persian Gulf region to keep energy prices high and prevent a gas pipeline from Qatar to Europe.
                at the same time why chaos in Ukraine, the United States will not bring dividends.

                Quote: tungus
                If the states decide that the alliance with Ukraine
                The main thing is that the Russian Federation would not decide.

                Quote: tungus
                they will give the go-ahead to both Turkey and Poland and all the rest

                Why haven’t they given it yet? Especially when the Russian Federation got stuck in Chechnya? The same goes for Georgia.
                Quote: tungus
                Turkey will never miss the opportunity to acquire territory, knowing that it is being covered by the states.

                And who will miss? Just something is poorly believed. It seems more like you have a psychosis.
                Quote: tungus
                essence, why do you think that Ukraine is more valuable to the West than the same Yugoslavia?
                Well, the example of Yugoslavia will not fail here. It in itself rested only on the charisma of Bros Titto.
        2. domokl
          domokl 16 October 2013 06: 04
          0
          Quote: Kars
          And who is going to fight seriously with Ukraine
          But this is complete nonsense. Ukraine, at least for now, is the largest state in Europe. And it is not without reason that it can play an important role in European politics.
          So the task of the other players is simple - remove the competitor. This is economically done and will be done soon. Militarily already done. In 10 years Ukraine will not differ in military potential from the Baltic States. Neither the army has a serious nor mobilization reserve.
          And we hear such statements after every world war ... Like, this is the last and humanity will no longer allow it. Yugoslavia is a great example.
  2. Klibanophoros
    Klibanophoros 15 October 2013 09: 50
    16
    Service in the army at the call of the Motherland is an integral part of a free civil society. The "professional" mercenary army, having lost contact with the people, will serve those who pay it. Fools are those who shout about "conscript slavery."
    1. domokl
      domokl 15 October 2013 10: 34
      +6
      Quote: Klibanophoros
      The "professional" mercenary army, having lost contact with the people, will serve those who pay it.

      Even in the Soviet army there was a huge part of just professionals. All officers, warrant officers, over-conscripts. By your logic, we all served not the Motherland? And those contract soldiers who are now picking out militants in the Caucasus who are they serving?
      No, the professional and the mercenary are different categories. The toilet is fixing the pros and everyone agrees, right. And should an amateur manage a tank or plane for millions?
      1. Klibanophoros
        Klibanophoros 15 October 2013 11: 17
        +2
        By your logic, the Wehrmacht and the Red Army is a bunch of amateurs?
        In addition, the professional army has a significant drawback: the inability to prolonged hostilities due to the elimination of qualified personnel in battles. She has no reserve in case of a mass total war. After all, all mobilization reserves are created before the war, and not during it.
        This is a topic for a separate and big discussion.
        For example, the dispersal of the professional military and the transition to the concept of an "armed people" killed Gaddafi, and the presence of professional special forces saved Assad. But the presence of conscripts allowed him to make up for the losses of these units in battles, from desertion and other reasons. The core of the Syrian army has survived, and the system for training new soldiers is functioning properly. So you shouldn't look at everything one-sidedly. hi
        And yes, in Ukraine, the system of the national guard (militia) is not closely observed.
        1. vanaheym
          vanaheym 15 October 2013 12: 20
          0
          Quote: Klibanophoros
          And yes, in Ukraine the system of the national guard (militia) is not nearly observed

          As a person who served in the National Guard of Ukraine in the 1990s, I can say that this was a structure that was extremely far from the militia.
          1. domokl
            domokl 15 October 2013 17: 01
            0
            Quote: vanaheym
            structure, extremely far from the militia.

            In general, it seems to me that this structure was created simply as profonation. To calm the people ... Type we have who will protect us
        2. bezumnyiPIT
          bezumnyiPIT 15 October 2013 14: 01
          0
          but all military service in Ukraine will not be canceled
        3. domokl
          domokl 15 October 2013 16: 58
          0
          Quote: Klibanophoros
          By your logic, the Wehrmacht and the Red Army is a bunch of amateurs?

          laughing It’s interesting that the officers were not professionals in the Red Army or the Wehrmacht, did they serve on the call, or did they get a salary? If you try to use terms, try to find out at the beginning what they mean and what the differences are, but it turns out that you don’t look very ... First, decide what is the difference between a professional military man and a mercenary lol
  3. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 15 October 2013 09: 51
    -1
    If anything, Ukrainians who are dressed in Zaporizhzhya Cossacks will fight back - enthusiasts. I do not think that at the present moment Ukraine will be able to create a full-fledged pro-army. This is even beyond the power of Russia. Expensive.
  4. Imperial
    Imperial 15 October 2013 09: 53
    +3
    Yanukovych explained that the transition of the army to a contractual basis is due to the fact that modern military equipment requires professionals. Well, where is that technique? I would say honestly there is no money.
    1. Akim
      Akim 15 October 2013 10: 43
      +2
      Quote: Imperial
      that modern military equipment requires professionals. Well, where is that technique?

      New or modernized equipment must be given to someone who will handle it for about 5 years. And on appeal - he does not care. The main deadline is coming.
      1. Imperial
        Imperial 15 October 2013 15: 53
        0
        Hello Akim, I agree with you, a person who has served for 5 years knows the technique better than the first year, but I'm not talking about that, Yanukovych is a PROFESSIONAL thief, a brother in a single harness with a stool and others like him, for this they came up with an excuse about a contract aria.
        1. Akim
          Akim 15 October 2013 15: 59
          +3
          Quote: Imperial
          Yanukovych PROFessiAnal thief, brother in a single harness with a stool and others like them,

          We are all like that. The change will come awl on soap.
          1. Imperial
            Imperial 15 October 2013 16: 29
            0
            Quote: Akim
            We are all like that. The change will come awl on soap.

            It’s sad all this, have people really transferred? Money testing is a difficult thing, no matter where you throw it, a thief drives a thief and a thief, there’s only one principle: we live once, after all I don’t see the grass and recipes, oh, I just want to say yes! People in our time, though, maybe I invented it for myself? with uv. Pavel.
            1. Akim
              Akim 15 October 2013 16: 31
              -2
              Quote: Imperial
              It’s sad all this, are people really transferred

              Politics is measured not by people, but by money.
              1. Imperial
                Imperial 15 October 2013 16: 35
                0
                But people are driving this policy, where is the root cause? in an egg or chicken?
                1. Akim
                  Akim 15 October 2013 16: 37
                  0
                  Quote: Imperial
                  in an egg or chicken?

                  In the system. Is it an egg or a chicken?
                  1. Imperial
                    Imperial 15 October 2013 16: 52
                    0
                    Quote: Akim
                    In the system. Is it an egg or a chicken?
                    I don’t know. I don’t know it all depends on the individual, who are We, what do we want? Justice for all and everyone, or personal well-being? What about the system? I am for socialism, but I respect the opinions of others. As we were told, take honey into your cell and in the compartment, we will prosper, but there are still poor and poor people, that is, those who are on social security, the same army, teachers, and just sick people, but how it’s not shared with honey I want, here we have. what we have.
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 15 October 2013 16: 58
                      0
                      Quote: Imperial
                      I am for socialism

                      So do I. Although this is agitation. But there are no prerequisites for changing it now, unfortunately. Yes, the tops can no longer, but the bottoms have not yet decided on this.
                      1. Imperial
                        Imperial 15 October 2013 17: 01
                        0
                        Unfortunately you are right! But oh well, that's what I wanted, can I write to you in PM? There are a couple of off-topic questions.
                      2. Akim
                        Akim 15 October 2013 17: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Imperial
                        , that's what I wanted, can I write to you in PM?

                        Uh-huh.
  • Redpartyzan
    Redpartyzan 15 October 2013 09: 57
    +6
    everything, Ukraine has no more army.
  • 6 sunrise 9
    6 sunrise 9 15 October 2013 09: 58
    +3
    Well, Ukrainians congratulate you on the beginning of the disbandment of the army (sarcasm). After this reform, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be weaker than Poland, Belarus, Romania. And if I said about Kazakhstan, that nothing threatens him and he can switch to a contract, although it is undesirable to do so. Then you have threats, about the "great Rumelia" I hope everyone has heard, the Romanians want Moldova and part of Ukraine to be included in their composition, in my opinion even Odessa. You have already presented the "snake" island to them. Although if you join the EU and NATO, you will not need an army, brave cowboys will protect you from "bloody ivans". Seriously 70.000 is very little.
    1. Akim
      Akim 15 October 2013 10: 46
      +1
      Quote: 6Sunrise9
      After this reform, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be weaker than Poland, Belarus, and Romania.

      Do you think in numbers, as in the Middle Ages?
      1. 6 sunrise 9
        6 sunrise 9 15 October 2013 11: 30
        0
        mmm well, at the present moment the army of Ukraine is 184.000, the number of dry forces is 57.000. After the reform, the army will total 70.000. Since there will be no draft, you will lose the mobilization structure in the event of war.
        By the way, the total strength of the Romanian army today is 73.000 and it is also contracted. So yes, after the transition to the contract and at the end of the reform, you will become like Romania .. and we can and worse. In any case, I want to see what the remnants of the Ukrainian SSR army will turn into.
        1. Akim
          Akim 15 October 2013 11: 39
          -1
          Quote: 6Sunrise9
          After the reform, the army will total 70.000

          After the reform, 120 thousand 70 + 50 will serve in the army. Read carefully!
          1. 6 sunrise 9
            6 sunrise 9 15 October 2013 12: 19
            0
            70.000 this is the army, and 50.000 rear services is the internal troops, and they will carry out tasks within the country. Internal troops are not assigned to the armed forces.

            Moreover, I looked at the frontier now. 48.000 are serving; well, damn it, how much the border guards will reduce.
            1. Akim
              Akim 15 October 2013 12: 34
              +4
              Quote: 6Sunrise9
              70.000 this is the army, and 50.000 the rear service is the internal troops,

              Did you serve in the army or did you just watch "Serving the Fatherland" on TV? Because the logistics of the army can only be correlated with the explosives by an illiterate person. It is better to admit that you have not read it than to aggravate your stupidity further. With this approach, we now have an army not 184, but 86 thousand, because everything else falls on the rear. This is from the protection of bases to military commissars. This is logistics support.
            2. Sineys
              Sineys 15 October 2013 15: 07
              +2
              For your information, the border troops in Ukraine do not belong to the army and are recruited solely by contract; conscripts have not been there for a long time.
            3. roial
              roial 15 October 2013 15: 34
              0
              Moreover, I looked at the frontier now. 48.000 are serving; well, damn it, how much the border guards will reduce.


              About how you were told, the border guards have nothing to do with the army (by the way, you too, if you didn’t know)
  • Algor73
    Algor73 15 October 2013 09: 59
    +1
    There is a rational grain in this - a yesterday’s schoolchild cannot master the most complicated pieces of equipment in 1-2 years. Even the same tank. Russian experts estimate that the conscript tanker in Russia (not in Ukraine, where he has 1 year of line service) masters no more than 20% of the tank’s capabilities in its specialization. There are skills, but far from professionalism. But they just got used to chop everything off our shoulder. There are also such vusy (like a motorized infantry) where universities do not have to be completed, as for the Union — pilots fly, techies serve, and security, etc. carry stringers.
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 15 October 2013 15: 47
      +1
      Quote: Algor73
      There is a rational grain in this - a yesterday’s schoolchild cannot master the most complicated pieces of equipment in 1-2 years. Even the same tank. Russian experts estimate that the conscript tanker in Russia (not in Ukraine, where he has 1 year of line service) masters no more than 20% of the tank’s capabilities in its specialization. There are skills, but far from professionalism.

      and what is the conclusion? in principle, do not call and do not teach this student, let him be so ignorant and live, does the iPhone twist? or is it better to learn? why he cannot master the profession in full, maybe such a conscript should be trained more intensively, for 16 hours in a continuous fashion throughout the whole year of service, and not to drive to dig fields or build cottages. drive in the basic skills for a year and then periodically call and retrain at the military training college, and from these trained conscripts recruit into combat units.
  • alone
    alone 15 October 2013 09: 59
    +3
    I don’t even know what to say. All the same, it concerns the Ukrainians themselves. I wish them success. hi
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 15 October 2013 10: 14
      +9
      Quote-President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych abolished universal military service. He signed a decree on the transition of the army to a contractual basis and on the last draft in the armed forces of the country. However, he emphasized that recruitment for military service would remain in the internal forces.

      Personally, I was alerted by the last sentence, it turns out that Yanukovych is not worried about an external threat, he is afraid of internal processes.
      1. Akim
        Akim 15 October 2013 10: 49
        0
        Quote: Apollon
        He is not afraid of an external threat; he is afraid of internal processes.

        Drop dead call of BB and railway troops 3 thousand a year!
        1. vanaheym
          vanaheym 15 October 2013 12: 59
          0
          IMHO, for these three thousand, it will be the turn to stand, as it was this year, from those who in the future connect their careers with the civil service.
          Since 2003, railway troops have nothing to do with the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense - they are subordinate to the Ministry of Transport. This year there was a rather large competition in them because of the free acquisition of various professions with the subsequent receipt of a diploma and / or rank.
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 15 October 2013 16: 32
            0
            Quote: vanaheym
            IMHO, for these three thousand, it will be the turn to stand, as it was this year, from those who in the future connect their careers with the civil service.

            He laughed. Yes, in our city, in a cop-without army service, to guard the zone-without army service, in a regiment of the BB! "cadres" ... And you about some kind of civil service wassat
      2. MG42
        MG42 15 October 2013 11: 46
        +3
        Quote: Apollon
        Personally, I was alerted by the last sentence, it turns out that Yanukovych is not worried about an external threat, he is afraid of internal processes.

        And so it was for the entire period of independence in the internal troops still need to add the repressive apparatus of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Security Service of Ukraine. Horde against the people of Ukraine, and the external enemy is not considered particularly in Ukraine only Internet fighters attack ..

        Now for 100 thousand of the population of Ukraine there are 786 internal affairs workers. According to the UN (as of 2010), in other countries similar to Ukraine in the political and economic situation, internal affairs workers (per 100 population) are half to three times less than in Ukraine: Bulgaria - 442, Czech Republic - 405, Slovenia - 386, Latvia - 370, Hungary - 335, Poland - 322. In France, this figure is 369, in Germany - 321.
        The bill proposes to almost halve the staff of law enforcement agencies. So, it was proposed to reduce the staff of the State Guard of Ukraine from 2990 people to 1537, the Security Service of Ukraine - from 33500 person up to 16750, Ministry of the Interior with 324400 man to 162200. The Ministry of Internal Affairs internal troops are also proposed to be reduced from 33300 to
        16650 people.


        http://zib.com.ua/ru/14716-nardepi_schitayut_chto_v_ukraine_slishkom_mnogo_milic



        ionerov.html

        That is, at the moment, the repressive apparatus in Ukraine is MVD + SBU + VV = 390 900 people ..
        1. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 15 October 2013 13: 05
          +3
          That is, at the moment, the repressive apparatus in Ukraine is the Ministry of Internal Affairs + SBU + BB = 390 people.

          hi Not entirely reliable. Overwhelming majority stupid and corrupt repressive apparatus.
          1. MG42
            MG42 15 October 2013 14: 16
            +5
            Quote: Jogan-64
            Not entirely reliable. Overwhelming majority stupid and corrupt repressive apparatus.

            Thanks for the addition ..Dumb and corrupt> starting with the Supreme Commander-in-Chief Yanukovych = stupid and corrupt, the most accurate x-ki wassat
            The term “corrupt” can be attributed to the entire vertical of power as a corrupt judge, traffic cop, tax officer, guard, etc.
            It turns out according to statistics about 1 out of a hundred is a cop..a fish rots from the head = corruption does not decrease in any situation ..
            Why is it so unclear to the country how many cops the people are not aggressive, Yanuk has the coolest security of all the presidents who were in Ukraine, what is his convoy of more than 20 escort vehicles worth, the budget of Ukraine spends about 1 million UAH per day on Yanukovych.
            1. MG42
              MG42 15 October 2013 14: 39
              +6
              for comparison, 1 policeman guards Merkel’s house
              http://www.zhitomir.info/news_68459.html
              Ukraine is so rich country in comparison with Germany that it can afford such a luxury lol , he strengthened the guard after an attempt on him with a chicken egg, the student threw it, Yanuk lost consciousness when he saw an egg falling into his torso, maybe he thought that the guts had come out, given the past barrel, the proportions in the zone had seen enough?
              In the photo, Yanukovych's guards were highlighted in red >>
              1. Akim
                Akim 15 October 2013 15: 02
                0
                Quote: MG42
                Ukraine is so rich country in comparison with Germany that it can afford such a luxury

                This is the scourge of all post-Soviet countries. And about the chicken egg you are in vain. If you were run into the head, be a politician, do you think there would be another reaction?
                1. MG42
                  MG42 15 October 2013 15: 08
                  +6
                  Quote: Akim
                  And about the chicken egg you are in vain. If you were run into the head, be a politician, do you think there would be another reaction?

                  Akim do not be stupid, they launched Yanukovych to the torso the egg he lowered his head saw a hit and passed out

                  For comparison, how cleverly Bush dodged shoes. laughing
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 15 October 2013 15: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: MG42
                    Akim do not be stupid,

                    I admit my mistake. I forgot.
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 15 October 2013 15: 57
                      0
                      Or was it poisoned?
                      1. MG42
                        MG42 15 October 2013 16: 17
                        +3
                        Quote: Akim
                        Or was it poisoned?

                        Yes, today is not your day in humor, Akim ... tell me that it was bewitched by a witch ... like an apple by analogy ..
                      2. Akim
                        Akim 15 October 2013 16: 25
                        0
                        Quote: MG42
                        ..tell say that it was bewitched by a witch .. like an apple by analogy ..

                        Is this humor? He didn’t bite him. This is an assumption. Chroniclers will say another word.
                      3. MG42
                        MG42 15 October 2013 16: 34
                        +2
                        Quote: Akim
                        .This is an assumption. Chroniclers will say another word.

                        Everything is already documented, study the materiel >> bully
                        Video immediately after Yanukovych’s admission to the hospital when STUDENT hit by a chicken egg, there are no signs of poisoning >>
          2. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx 15 October 2013 15: 24
            +3
            That's it ... And we, naive, want our repressive apparatus not to be stupid and corrupt. request And the president-commander-in-chief on What? By my own example. The device is inspiring. lol That is, fish ... from the head.
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 15 October 2013 14: 17
    +3
    Quote: Apollon
    However, he emphasized that recruitment for military service would remain in the internal forces.
    Naturally, the call to the BB will remain, otherwise this office can simply be closed. For those ridiculous salaries that are currently offered to contractors in the BB, there simply are NO people wishing to serve ... request My son has two weeks left under the contract in BB; he does not want to renew categorically. And in their part almost all contract positions are vacant
  • dropout
    dropout 15 October 2013 10: 14
    +3
    My IMHO. Currently, the only country in the world that has the right to proclaim: - "The people and the army are one" is Switzerland.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 15 October 2013 10: 16
    +4
    since Ukraine doesn’t really need an army, no one will attack it either, neither Europe nor Russia, but to drive its own crowd, there are enough veshniks of conscripts)))
  • Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 15 October 2013 10: 16
    0
    I do not know what to say. On the one hand, nothing threatens Ukraine from outside, because there is nothing to take from her, which would be a value for other states. Therefore, it may and is true that Yanukovych has reduced the number of military contingent and from the released funds there will be something left to feed the contract army. From another country, I am not from Ukraine and my words may be wrong. Sorry if something is not.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 15 October 2013 10: 23
      +5
      Well, yes, Turkey is alone, and Romania can make a fuss. Do not forget about the local Tatars.
      1. Akim
        Akim 15 October 2013 10: 52
        -1
        Quote: fzr1000
        Turkey is alone, and Romania can make a fuss. Do not forget about the local Tatars.

        And about the new airborne brigade near Voronezh. This is not a phobia. Just FAS can say any power.
    2. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 15 October 2013 15: 56
      0
      Quote: Boot under the carpet
      . On the one hand, nothing threatens Ukraine from outside, because there is nothing to take from her, which would be a value for other states.

      what to pick up is in any country in the world, no matter how poor it is. and in Ukraine you can gain so much good that you can get rich until the end of your days, both an individual and a state, starting with trained workers and ending with just land and water. and the ancients were right - if you want peace - get ready for war, who does not want to feed his army, will feed someone else's.
  • Gakkoga
    Gakkoga 15 October 2013 10: 28
    +1
    It was smooth on paper and we got ravines
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 15 October 2013 10: 39
    +2
    Kind! I’m not sure that the decision is right, however, the reasons are economic 100%!
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 15 October 2013 10: 39
    0
    Kind! I’m not sure that the decision is right, however, the reasons are economic 100%!
    1. vanaheym
      vanaheym 15 October 2013 12: 53
      0
      Of course, the reasons are economic - in Ukraine there is no need for 100 thousand rear people to feed. It is quite enough to halve them and, at the expense of the saved money, feed the parts of constant readiness.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 15 October 2013 14: 21
        +1
        Quote: vanaheym
        halve them and, at the expense of the saved money, feed the parts of constant readiness.

        Do you believe what you wrote? lol "Deputies of constant readiness" will be fed, the military units will not get a damn thing, even though all the logisticians are completely reduced ... request
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 15 October 2013 10: 39
    +4
    Nenka is such a nenka. I bought popcorn waiting for her to contain them. For everything goes to default.
  • Sineys
    Sineys 15 October 2013 10: 39
    +1
    And I think the decision is logical and reasonable. Conscripts in the VV for 1 year will master the skills of army service and handling personal weapons like the KMB. In addition, a professional contract soldier will have to be treated very differently than a conscript slave. He is no longer pogonish to scrub the "point" or fulfill other whims of tyrant commanders. Sorry - there is no contract. And what the hell hazing can be among the contractors. And about the small size of the army - so well-trained people who know how to handle weapons will not go anywhere (they will serve in the military while gaining skills), a call for mobilization - and we have a couple of million personnel, including specialists (a contract soldier, having served and resigned skills, did not will lose).
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 15 October 2013 16: 08
      0
      Quote: Sineys
      . And as regards the small size of the army — trained people who know how to handle weapons will never go anywhere (they’ll get skills in the BB), a call for mobilization — we have a couple of millions of personnel, including specialists (the contractor has served and will lose).

      and from where 2000000 personnel will be recruited, how many are there - 80 people. - MO and 000 - BB, well, let the number of explosives double - 50, which I do not believe. so what is the annual draft-in the army-000 thousand, because the contract is concluded for a minimum of 100000 years, and many will extend it, and in the BB - 10 thousand, because there will also be contractors and officers available. those. approximately 5 people will be fired from service per year. how many over the years to recruit 60 people. trained reserve: 000: 70 = 000 years. At this point, the first retirees will already retire, because they will be 2-000 years old, so there simply will not be any reserves. and God forbid, any major conflict will arise after the personnel army perishes, defending the country, young, uneducated people will fight.
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 15 October 2013 10: 43
    +4
    It is clear, of course, that the practically liquidation of the Ukrainian army is not from a good life. The reason is commonplace-the lack of funds for maintenance. Well, the words about modern technology are also correct, but said no more than to reassure. Ukraine will turn out to be completely defenseless against, for example, Romania, which has territorial claims against it, or Poland, which has long nurtured plans to sever its western part from Ukraine.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 15 October 2013 10: 59
    +3
    Since Ukraine does not play any role in Big Politics, it is probably really beneficial for it, and why should they confront the aggressor? And where is this aggressor? They will be able to fulfill their lackey function in the form of sending troops to Iraq, but nothing more it is required, let the SSovtsy from Galicia be sent to Iraq or Afghanistan, let them show the Cossack’s dare or weak?
  • sem.sorok
    sem.sorok 15 October 2013 11: 07
    +3
    Quote: Klibanophoros
    Service in the army at the call of the Motherland is an integral part of a free civil society. The "professional" mercenary army, having lost contact with the people, will serve those who pay it. Fools are those who shout about "conscript slavery."


    I agree. In the same Switzerland, the people refused to abolish military duty.
  • tennis
    tennis 15 October 2013 11: 41
    +4
    Soon the x - s will have the same army as the Latvians. Cheap but cheerful.
  • vanaheym
    vanaheym 15 October 2013 12: 47
    +5
    Well, yes, if Russia transfers its units of constant combat readiness to a contract basis, this is an increase in the combat readiness and professionalism of the military personnel.
    If the number of draftees is reduced in Russia, this is an optimization of army spending.
    (Despite the fact that not a single conscript was involved in the five-day war)
    But if Ukraine goes on a contractual basis, this is the collapse of the army and all the polymers have been drained.
    Well and yes, an army made up of conscripts who could not hide or otmazatsya is much more resistant or patriotic than contract soldiers and naturally can take longer to participate in the war, as the first Chechen one showed.
    Especially when one of the main problems is how to serve chocks and Slavs in it at the same time.
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      6 sunrise 9 15 October 2013 13: 16
      +1
      Quote: vanaheym
      Well, yes, if Russia transfers its units of constant combat readiness to a contract basis


      That’s the point, not all the Armed Forces, but only parts of the PBG, which, according to the idea, should consist of contract soldiers.

      Quote: vanaheym
      If the number of draftees is reduced in Russia, this is an optimization of army spending.


      No, this is due to the demographic realities of the country, in the 90s they gave birth a little, therefore the number of conscripts will decrease.

      Quote: vanaheym
      But if Ukraine goes on a contractual basis, this is the collapse of the army and all the polymers have been drained.


      Compare the Ukrainian Armed Forces in 1991. and 2013

      Quote: vanaheym
      Especially when one of the main problems is how to serve chocks and Slavs in it at the same time.


      that's a problem, you can’t argue with that.

      Quote: vanaheym
      Well and yes, an army made up of conscripts who could not hide or otmazatsya is much more resistant or patriotic than contract soldiers and naturally can take longer to participate in the war, which was shown by the first Chechen


      In Russia, the number of draft dodgers is falling rapidly, it’s just that the army has changed since the 90s. Remember that a contract army cannot survive a large-scale war, or even a regional conflict. This will require a reserve, without a call, reservists are just meat that even from a machine gun didn’t shoot nirazu.
      1. Akim
        Akim 15 October 2013 13: 55
        0
        Quote: 6Sunrise9
        Compare the Ukrainian Armed Forces in 1991. and 2013

        But really comparable. In the 91st Ukraine, a fragment of the Soviet army went to be compared with all the French Armed Forces (which also includes the National Guard and the Border Troops). Now the number of the Ground Forces, Naval Forces and the French Air Force is only 220 thousand and the defense budget is 10 times larger and 20 million more than the population. And they also want to reduce by 20% what they already have. The army of Ukraine has declined over the years by 3,5 times, and some countries of the former airborne forces by 5-6 times.
        1. 6 sunrise 9
          6 sunrise 9 15 October 2013 14: 32
          0
          Quote: Akim
          Now the number of the Ground Forces, Naval Forces and the French Air Force is only 220 thousand and the defense budget is 10 times larger and 20 million more than the population. And they also want to reduce by 20% what they already have


          Well done, why do they need a strong army, their America will (and even then not a fact) to protect. By the way, can I remind you what problems have emerged from the same France in Libya? Although I do not argue, well, let the citizens of Ukraine, or rather the leadership of Ukraine, reform the army in a Gay-European manner. If we consider that Ukraine has gathered in the EU and NATO, then this is even for the better ... the strong potential enemies of the European theater of war are unnecessary for the Russian Federation.
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 15 October 2013 15: 45
            0
            Quote: 6Sunrise9
            and well done, why do they need a strong army, their America will (even then not a fact) to defend.

            France, in itself a very aggressive state (and often position itself separately from the United States), you can calculate how much it has conducted military operations over the past 10 years (including independently, as in Mali, for example)
            Quote: 6Sunrise9
            By the way, can I remind you what problems have emerged from the same France in Libya?

            The bombs ended?) And they lost?) In addition, Ukraine is going to bomb countries in Africa, I don’t know request
            Quote: 6Sunrise9
            Given that Ukraine has gathered in the EU and NATO, this is even for the best ...

            More about NATO? With links and all that, otherwise I got tired of these bregeni ...
            P.S. To all "mourners" about small armies, if you please read, for a start, at least about the armies of the main EU countries. You will probably be surprised that they are small (120-190 thousand people) and almost all have been decreasing in recent years.
            The Italian army, for example: according to the reform of 2012, it is reduced from 190 to 000 (and these 151 also include explosives, civilian personnel and reservists). Moreover, the Italians do not have a small fleet, unlike the Ukrainian.
            6 submarines, 2 under construction (we have 1 laughing )
            2 light aircraft carriers (no such)
            4 destroyers (also not a single one)
            12 frigates (we already have 1)
            8 corvettes (here we are cool, we have 7 of them, and threaten to build 4 new ones ... once)
            3 landing helicopter dock ships, ala Mistral (we have 1 BDK and 1 KFOR, which are primitively simpler and weaker)
            1. 6 sunrise 9
              6 sunrise 9 15 October 2013 16: 29
              +2
              Quote: Corneli
              France, in itself a very aggressive state (and often position itself separately from the United States), you can calculate how much it has conducted military operations over the past 10 years (including independently, as in Mali, for example)

              France is just the 6th USA, and they don’t have anything separate and together bring peace and tranquility around the world.

              Quote: Corneli
              The bombs ended?) And they lost?) In addition, Ukraine is going to bomb countries in Africa, I don’t know


              If it weren’t for the United States, Gaddafi would still rule in Libya and yes they would lose.
              What kind of Africa do you have Romania sideways .. and although you gave the snake island and Odessa give it back ... if only the "damned maskals" did not have anything.

              Quote: Corneli
              More about NATO? With links and all that, otherwise I got tired of these bregeni ...


              Yanuk said Eurointegration means Eurointegration. And you will join NATO sooner or later ... but, of course, Ukraine will enter into NATO as a whole ... but only in part (where is the 2nd part understandable?).

              Quote: Corneli
              Italian army, for example: according to the 2012 reform, it is reduced from 190 to 000


              I'm glad) I want Ukraine to reform its army according to the Western model, large armies and this call is for the aborigines, and not for the "civilized pedo-Europeans" luck)
              1. Akim
                Akim 15 October 2013 16: 34
                +1
                Quote: 6Sunrise9
                you have Romania sideways .. and although they gave the serpentine island and give Odessa

                I am from Odessa, I am from Odessa, hello
                Buba Kastorsky.

                DO NOT WAIT !!!
                and about Snake, I advise you sometimes to look at the map.
                1. zmey_gadukin
                  zmey_gadukin 15 October 2013 22: 14
                  0
                  Quote: Akim
                  and about Snake, I advise you sometimes to look at the map.

                  there’s nothing for the pit ... in my head it’s only propaganda ...
  • Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 15 October 2013 13: 51
    +4
    Most of the contractors are in the Navy, Air Force and Special Forces, least of all in the Ground Forces. Since the beginning of 2013, 6,8 thousand people entered the Ukrainian Armed Forces under the contract, this figure will reach 7 thousand by the end of the year. Next year, 4,8 thousand people will be employed under the contract, in 2015 - about 5 thousand, and in 2016-17 - 4,5-5 thousand people

    Hmm, something is hard to believe in this digital.what Or wishful thinking too want to give out? After the Supreme Armed Forces have been cut back on everything that is possible and what is impossible, who is the normal one going to serve there for those pennies that they pay? fool And so at least half the shortage of hp. wherever you go. Some staff warriors and managers in a set (closer to the "trough" and plus his own hand - the lord). The rest, who take the risk - "sniff" and skimp from the sun like the devil from incense. Nobody pays any attention to any contracts at all, they are fired by hook or by crook, including "for defamatory ..."
    And from the article the impression is that our holy Khlyak authorities are living in complete isolation from the realities. Somewhere on the moon at least ... Or in their virtual reality. And all, damn it, save the country's budget ..., on the country itself! They don’t want to save on themselves, loved ones.am
    Right now, all the "duzhe independent-conscious patriots" will attack me ... Well, well ... When you puff up under my comment, keep in mind that I know the situation in the Ukrainian Armed Forces from the inside. I served once, I saw.soldier
    1. Akim
      Akim 15 October 2013 14: 24
      0
      Quote: Jogan-64
      keep in mind that I know the situation in the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the inside. He served once, saw

      Did you serve when officers only survived on rations? Or dry potatoes, frozen 60s meat and Cuban sugar, from the reserve were given to cadets and soldiers? Or did they go on guard with the TT, because there were no cartridges for the PM? Or did you learn driving only by starting a ZIL and driving a couple of meters? Or was they pouring mash in BMD, mixing with sunflower oil to start the engine? And you probably know what it means to shoot a carriage of shells with 6 guns in three days, because they sent it by mistake, and there is no money back to take it back. And I tell you the situation in the Ukrainian army in the second half of the 90s, when the army was large.
      1. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx 15 October 2013 15: 50
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        Did you serve when officers only survived on rations?

        And you count yourself, if not scrap. He served from September 1982 to August 2007. Well, at the same time, compare what you listed with the term of my service. hi
        Yes, if you decide that your facts are not enough, write to me. I will supplement. And not only from the 90s, but from 2 thousandths I’ll add. So that the 90s did not look very gloomy ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 15 October 2013 15: 55
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          Quote: Jogan-64
          And not only from the 90s, but from 2 thousandths I’ll add. So that the 90s did not look very gloomy ...

          The first 4 years in the 21st century began to improve. And then ... In any case, the fighters did not spin the jets on the carburetors anymore. And we were paid regularly and the colonels no longer pan (private carriage) in order to feed our family.
          1. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx 15 October 2013 16: 21
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            And then...

            And then there was a change of at least some supreme commander in chief to the supreme commander of the clown.
            How's Grandfather Krylov?
            "Trouble, if the shoemaker starts to bake the pies ..."
            Next, we observe the change of the supreme commander of the clown to the supreme commander of the degenerate.
            "And the boots are for the cake-maker ..."
            The absurdity of the situation is that the Krylov characters, each - at least he knew how to do something. What about these trepachki? fool
            1. Akim
              Akim 15 October 2013 16: 29
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              Quote: Jogan-64
              . What about these trepachki?

              All the same, there was no period worse than the 90s. One thing: "Zichimo is healthy, Pan Colonel" cost a lot.
              1. Prapor-527
                Prapor-527 15 October 2013 20: 47
                +1
                There will be guys. Maybe not hungry, as in the 90s., But insulting and embarrassing to tears ...
              2. Jogan-xnumx
                Jogan-xnumx 16 October 2013 12: 50
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                ... there was no worse period of the 90s.

                Is it scary? Difficult - yes, but I don't think it is scary. Compare the officers. Then there were many military officers with a wealth of experience. They knew how, sorry, bullet out of shit ... And now? For example, I would not say that my shoulder straps were easy for me. Now, epaulettes, posts, orders are sold, as on your famous "Privoz" tangerines! Generals - sho dogs not cut. How many macaques did they recruit to headquarters and management? They sit in frames with lieutenant-colonel-colonel's shoulder straps, an "iconostasis" on a tunic, like a marshal's, and a "pria" with a manicure like a panel one, I'm sorry ... Lord, you will think out loud. During the war colonels commanded regiments and divisions and held the front. And the lives of soldiers were on their shoulders. And with this monkey, God forbid war, what good will it be if she only knows how to put her feet on the shoulders of the boss?
                So I don’t know, dear, what’s worse. It was? Or will there be more? request
                "Pans of the Colonel", damn it ... fool
  • Echo
    Echo 15 October 2013 14: 31
    -1
    Nothing is better. Nenke's army sho goose boyan, especially since this kaklarmia actually did not exist anymore, because what for is it for the "state", whose government, joyfully squealing, at an accelerated pace turns it into a colony of the west? The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukriya is now five times more than the army - in this incomplete organized criminal group, Kaklo-power is preparing to fight only with its own citizens.

    However, the better. But then it will be easier for us to send the yellow-mackerel and join Russia. Personally, I served in Russia, and on occasion, the real Motherland will give me a good broom to sweep out all the Svidomo scum for Zbruch.
    1. Akim
      Akim 15 October 2013 14: 58
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      Quote: Echo
      However, the better. But then it will be easier for us to send the yellow-mackerel and join Russia

      Ooh, what a terrible and insatiable you are in malice. Do not choke. I am not an enemy of Russia, rather, quite the contrary. But you come to my land with a gun I will consider the aggressor. And words about brotherhood will not help.
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 15 October 2013 15: 17
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      Quote: Echo
      However, the better. But then it will be easier for us to send the yellow-mackerel and join Russia. Personally, I served in Russia, and on occasion, the real Motherland will give me a good broom to sweep out all the Svidomo scum for Zbruch.

      Ty and Grazhdansky with a bunch of the same "like-minded people" to put in frets-viburnum, give you "brooms" and send you "clean". I think the Ukrainian explosives will be enough for you, at the same time, go for Zbruch later, sit in the zones. That's where your Internet war ends with "little blood"
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  • limon
    limon 15 October 2013 14: 58
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    Why conscription? Military service in the home country is an honorable duty.
    1. Akim
      Akim 15 October 2013 15: 09
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      Quote: limon
      Military service in the home country is an honorable duty.

      At the time of "Maxim Perepilitsa" it was an honorable duty, and at the time of "Deadly Force" - a duty.
  • Echo
    Echo 15 October 2013 15: 19
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    Quote: Akim
    Ooh, what a terrible and insatiable you are in malice. Do not choke. I am not an enemy of Russia, rather, quite the contrary. But you come to my land with a gun I will consider the aggressor. And words about brotherhood will not help.

    If you are an autocrat, then I will not come to your land for Zbruch. I don’t need her for nothing. If you are a supporter of the unity of Russian Civilization, then please be kind enough to stand with me in the event of war.
    1. Akim
      Akim 15 October 2013 15: 29
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      Quote: Echo
      oh kindly stand with me in case of war on one line.

      Wars with whom? With the people of Ukraine? I always wonder how such theorists will separate people. I took the oath of allegiance to the people of Ukraine even though I am not a Ukrainian by nationality, and Russia is not my homeland. To me in this case, politics is a shit.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 October 2013 15: 40
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    Ukraine abolished universal military service
    Conscription? what The duty may be ...
  • awg75
    awg75 15 October 2013 16: 37
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    our furry friends are very rich to see --- we can see from Russia how wealth shines through the holes in our pants !!!
  • Sineys
    Sineys 15 October 2013 17: 09
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    Quote: wasjasibirjac
    Quote: Sineys
    . And as regards the small size of the army — trained people who know how to handle weapons will never go anywhere (they’ll get skills in the BB), a call for mobilization — we have a couple of millions of personnel, including specialists (the contractor has served and will lose).

    and from where 2000000 personnel will be recruited, how many are there - 80 people. - MO and 000 - BB, well, let the number of explosives double - 50, which I do not believe. so what is the annual draft-in the army-000 thousand, because the contract is concluded for a minimum of 100000 years, and many will extend it, and in the BB - 10 thousand, because there will also be contractors and officers available. those. approximately 5 people will be fired from service per year. how many over the years to recruit 60 people. trained reserve: 000: 70 = 000 years. At this point, the first retirees will already retire, because they will be 2-000 years old, so there simply will not be any reserves. and God forbid, any major conflict will arise after the personnel army perishes, defending the country, young, uneducated people will fight.

    And why do you write off those who have served until today (in the USSR Armed Forces, in the CIS Armed Forces and in the Armed Forces of Ukraine)? These are also citizens of their country and I think they will not stay away. I personally can not perceive the current government, but love my country, and if you need to protect it with weapons in my hands. Fortunately - taught.
  • dry off
    dry off 15 October 2013 18: 53
    +1
    Yes, leave you alone Ukraine. Let them live as they want. This is their right - as with his wife after a divorce - like his own, used to decide how to live and what to do - but not yours, independent. And rage, and threaten, it happened - but no, not in your power ..
  • netishunUA
    netishunUA 15 October 2013 20: 55
    +1
    God, how many well-wishers. Thank you brothers for your support. I have not seen such sincere joy for a brotherly country.
  • wolf1945
    wolf1945 16 October 2013 00: 19
    +1
    It’s profitable for some villains to quarrel among the Slav brothers! soldier