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Fucking money and unborn children

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My son 1 September went to school. To put it on, to put on shoes + a children's corner, it all took about 30 thousand rubles from our modest family budget. For us, this amount is substantial.


We didn’t have time to touch the knowledge of how we were voluntarily-forced to snatch 5 thousand for the needs of the class (4 thousand for new plastic windows + 1 thousand for all sorts of cakes and gifts for birthday men - schoolchildren).

If I have no questions about the last thousand, then there are serious questions with “plastic at my expense”. So far I will not be voicing them, but there is a strong belief that my wife and I are solving the problems that, in theory, should be solved by our own state.

We also finished a kindergarten this calendar year, and we spent somewhere 5 thousand rubles for his graduation. We here, parents, as one themselves, suddenly desired to help the financially state-run municipal institution, if anything, and its staff from head to laundress, because they, if not for great money, did their work. I didn’t want to be a state sponsor in this case because of the natural hazards or the lack of Gazprom’s salaries or difficult relations with one of the aunts there (even if they allocate bonuses from the budget, only to those who treat children with warmth and love for children), but the wise wife explained to me that it is necessary to spend money in any case, otherwise the boy will have such a characteristic that we study later with “difficult children” "And not with his kindergarten friends.

We pay extra to the traffic cops for their not easy work while resolving issues “on the spot”, to officials and medicine when receiving any certificates, to notaries to make it clear that my home is my home, and my wife is my wife. And the road builders worse? Let us, as they carry out the regular patching, let all those involved in the work line up along the road, and we, while driving, will thank them. Togo uncle, that the work and accepted and signed something there, we will thank the new TV for the divine rollback, and the way he made it is solely due to his “decency”. The brigadier will buy a good suit, otherwise he used to izvyukal old at work, and we splash the work on 100 grams wholeheartedly.

In general, “voluntary” requisitions to kindergartens - schools - this is an anachronism from those early years, when everything was practically free, and the parents, out of spiritual goodness, wanted to thank sincerely those indifferent who wiped their snot children and taught the alphabet. We are no longer building socialism with communism, but some kind of ugly form of capitalism, but the peds decided to preserve the tradition, which is so necessary, in their opinion.

We are learning absolutely free so far, although we must pay for meals, after-school entertainment, swimming pool and rhythmics (dances), but we were not given textbooks, but sold 3 books for 1000 rubles. And what will happen when physics-chemistry goes?

Now there are rumors (the same as a few years ago about paid rhythm) that the whole 4 (!) Of the subject will remain free, and without stories, not included in this extensive list, certificates will not be issued. Something like this.

You know, I introduced strict rules in the family that for every obscene word a swindler receives a shelban. So, after the last News if my wife heard everything that I think about it, then my nose uh ... uh, would undergo some kind of transformation, as after plastic surgery.

We in Russia spend unreal money on the insanely expensive Olympiad, spend astonishingly on the World Cup, give preferential loans to Cyprus, throw dust at all sorts of summits and forums there. Why all this, if the state has no money for plastic windows in schools, to hold gas in the village and make normal, so as not to be afraid to drive, the roads are.

Let us reward medals of Olympians not from expensive alloys, but cut circles out of cardboard and paint them yellow and shades of gray (by the way, my little boy will easily cope with this task), and with the saved money we will build with a hundred good football fields for children throughout country). We will resettle the guests of Sochi to save in tents (I can allocate my own for a while, if they promise me that now the school is being renovated only at the expense of the state), we will ask them to bring some grubs with us, only bread is salt from us. At the same time, such an economy will be released, that ALL the kids in the country for at least a year in school canteens are guaranteed free meals.

Mlyat, a hundred times mlyat!

With us, those who make decisions are not able to count at all! Our children are an investment in the future, a lot better than all kinds of incomprehensible funds there. The MORE, HEALTHY and Smarter future citizens will be, the more they build bridges, factories, power stations, the more the state will be able to collect taxes from them, the more future defenders of the Motherland, poets, artists, plumbers and tractor drivers will be.

The more we invest in the younger generation, the more comfortable we will be in old age, the more we give birth and raise children, the higher the pension.
Maybe my native country will help me grow future taxpayers, or at least it will not interfere with the demands to pay for my studies and medicine, will not raise the not so small cost of housing and communal services and will do everything so that the fare in a minibus does not grow until they raise salaries and pensions.

I want the country to add a polo-team in football to its own good. Now let's see what my wife, the Blessed One, says about increasing the family: “One more is enough.”

Why do I want more children, and she less? This is because, in her opinion, I think more about abstract things, and she is an accountant of our family, she looks at the ever-increasing, not at all children's costs for children and understands that with the current level of wages, prices and all kinds of requisitions, we will not stretch large family.

Our president, the prime minister, the mayor and the schoolteacher - you all together convinced me that we need a lot of children. Now try to convince my wife. If all your “conviction” is plans to curtail the “maternity capital” program, the introduction of a paid education and the next increase in the fee for a communal flat, then soon you will have to look for citizens for Russia somewhere on the side. I would not like to think that this is the main goal ...

Convince our women to give birth, and for that all that’s necessary is for Russia to take care of its own inhabitants first of all, and not “suck” money for different nonsense.
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  1. a52333
    a52333 14 October 2013 07: 43 New
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    FC Skiff: Convince our women to give birth
    Good morning.
    They stomped on good calluses. There is something to "scratch turnips".
    This is also housing for young families. - let the lease be long-term. And subsidies for large families (from 3 children already needed). The demographic hole, in which we are now arriving, has already shown itself from the "good" side. I'm afraid the LADY gets paid to have this problem Did not decide
    1. SolomonSS
      SolomonSS 14 October 2013 08: 12 New
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      I agree with you. In general, in principle, the whole country, the young population rents apartments. They pay half a salary, 1/3 salary for this apartment, and how else they should think about creating a family. Someone will say MORTGAGE ... a mortgage is only in that situation if the percentage of it is 2-3%, the extreme case is 4%. And now it’s just a robbery, if you take a mortgage for 10 years 1 million rubles, a person has to pay about 700t.r. almost the same amount, and apartments cost at least twice as much.

      Education is now THEORETALLY FREE, medicine is similar to THEORETICAL. But in the end, theory does not converge with practice. Constantly growing tariffs, gasoline, food, clothing cost ... This is a financial moment.

      And if you take into account what is happening on the street, drug addicts, alcoholics, those who want to work out, "people of non-Slavic nationality" who have a knife in their pocket ... Also, in my opinion, it affects the demography, you wonder how a child will live in such an environment.

      A cultural education, in the courtyard of the school, a change, crowds of schoolchildren go to smoke, talking is a crap.

      There are many problems in Russia that need to be addressed only through governing bodies. If we live like this, it means that they need it this way ... But we need to think about whether such a management is needed that does not pay any attention to citizens and does not solve its direct tasks.
      1. Sosed74
        Sosed74 14 October 2013 16: 14 New
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        Today at work the guy was deeply shocked - they gave a place in a kindergarten on the other side of the city. And the city - 1.200.000 inhabitants - 30km in diameter. Although almost straight in the yard - there is a kindergarten.
        Why did it happen - Yes, a guy can’t give Bribes. Simple as 5 cents. But I personally know a young couple - who was just renting a room in our area - and their child - went to this kindergarten - although the registration is not local at all. Repair, but they did there for free on weekends.
        That's the whole story.
        THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS THEFT. EVERYTHING in Russia - they steal and take and give. Anyway.
        Russia is a country of thieves and cops. 20% of the cops - 40% of thieves - the rest are fools and asses - honestly working in factories. Yes, pensioners with children. hi IMHO.
        1. Proud.
          Proud. 14 October 2013 16: 19 New
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          Quote: Sosed74
          Russia is a country of thieves and cops. 20% of the cops - 40% of thieves - the rest are fools and asses - honestly working in factories. Yes, pensioners with children.

          So honest hard workers are fools and donkeys? What category are you in? Although the question is rhetorical, I do not care, I have already made my conclusion regarding you. You "-".
          1. Sosed74
            Sosed74 14 October 2013 16: 27 New
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            I’ve been sticking at a plant - a metallurgical plant for 7 years.
            And I’m talking about what I’m 100% sure of.
            For the same owner of this plant (and for many bosses of lower rank - such as a workshop) - we (simple hard workers) are the most natural asses.
            And they have us as they want, where they want and when they want. Do not like it - Wali. No one is holding. The attitude towards the workers is like cattle.
            The same is true for ALL of Russia.
            Recently, the film came out - For Marx - I advise you to watch.
          2. Sosed74
            Sosed74 14 October 2013 16: 34 New
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            By the way, I myself had time to work in the field of engineering and engineering - for a year or so - and I can also say with confidence that% 90 of all bosses are complete nits in life. And what in general - in this life you have to be nits - if you want to eat bread with butter and caviar. For everyone cares only about his belly, his family and spit on his neighbors and others.
            This is the way nat. feature in Russian. Let them beat another - if only they would not touch me.
            1. loisop
              loisop 14 October 2013 20: 58 New
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              Convincing request - tie with generalizations. No need to broadcast your personal experience to everyone around.
            2. _Forgiven_
              _Forgiven_ 14 October 2013 21: 40 New
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              Then I do not agree with you, this is our Ukrainian policy :) I’ll hide my hut, I don’t know anything)
            3. zao74
              zao74 16 October 2013 12: 17 New
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              Nat. the peculiarity of Russians is to help those in need "disinterestedly", and what we see now is relations in capitalist society in all their glory. Thanks to the tagged creature that allowed this infection to come to us.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2013 16: 24 New
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          Quote: Sosed74
          given a place in a kindergarten on the other side of the city.

          and that, again under the Union, this also happened often, in such situations they changed places in kindergartens
        3. Siberian German
          Siberian German 17 October 2013 16: 55 New
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          Well, are you a guy overdoing it? I’m somehow used to consider myself a person. would you be more careful with the words
        4. Lyokhin63
          Lyokhin63 30 October 2013 21: 38 New
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          Quote: Sosed74
          the rest of the fools and donkeys - honestly working in factories

          I would ask you. And then we’ll come to the whole factory. Honesty is not a sign of idiocy and hard work with stubborn donkeys compares a sign ...
          We had an ordinary kindergarten, there were no levies, an ordinary school, educators and teachers as professionals, there are no levies yet ... The Rod Committee insisted in the spring (I'm serious - the teachers did not want to get involved) chipped in 2tyr. change windows. Have changed. In the summer, we bought textbooks (about half of all, the library was not) for about 1 tyr. When you try to delve into the intricacies of teaching schoolchildren - you notice "funny" subtleties - almost every year the curriculum changes along with the textbooks. Moreover, a new one does not mean that it is necessary. But this is not the fault of the teachers. Across the road is the First Gymnasium for ponteous parents - fees, extortions, howling ... Eh, maybe the author and I live in parallel worlds with you?
      2. Sosed74
        Sosed74 14 October 2013 16: 20 New
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        I remember a couple of years ago - my friend - the incumbent Major of the FSB, by the way - cursed almost obscenely that he was tearing 1 rubles off him for sending a child to school in grade 15.000. Type - a voluntary donation - right now that's accepted. The parent writes the schedule - please accept as a gift - voluntarily. Golimaya bribe - but everything is legal.
        So that. This is the SYSTEM. The whole country - all of Russia - is riddled with corruption. And there’s NO cure for this. For every person - every screw is involved in this - there is no crystal honest and innocent. Every official, every boss - EVERYTHING - is involved and agree with what is. Everyone steals or takes or gives. Or make gifts.
        It is IMPOSSIBLE to cure it. You can only rebuild - but for this you must first destroy everything.
        Although the Revolution is also not an option. No one is hunting in the 2s.
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        2. loisop
          loisop 14 October 2013 21: 02 New
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          In the 90s there was a revolution ?? However, the news is more interesting.
        3. Joker
          Joker 14 October 2013 21: 03 New
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          This is a SYSTEM. ALL country - all of Russia - is thoroughly riddled with corruption. And there is NO cure for this and NOT. For each person - every screw is involved in this - no one is crystal honest and innocent. Every official, every boss - EVERYTHING - is involved and agrees with what is. Everyone steals or takes or gives. Or make gifts.

          I agree with you on all 100% yes What is going on around this is not a corrupt government, this is a people like that, but what kind of people, such a power.
        4. alone
          alone 14 October 2013 21: 13 New
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          Quote: Sosed74
          I remember a couple of years ago - my friend - the incumbent Major of the FSB, by the way - cursed almost obscenely that he was tearing 1 rubles off him for sending a child to school in grade 15.000.


          belay Why does Tada swear? According to the law, the one who gives the bribe and the one who takes it bear the same responsibility.
          1. Sosed74
            Sosed74 15 October 2013 16: 26 New
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            Read carefully.
            Now they are doing this:
            - bring money, write a RECEIPT - please accept my voluntary DONATION.
            It is the same in institutes and technical schools. When I was still studying (at a completely free department) - we were told at 4 before the exams - until you bring 5.000 rubles each - VOLUNTARY DONATION - DO NOT TAKE THE EXAM.
            They brought - Everything. EVERYTHING IS LEGAL.
            1. Lyokhin63
              Lyokhin63 30 October 2013 23: 03 New
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              You will prepare - you will answer, show your knowledge of the subject - the teacher will cry with joy. To hell right now it’s especially tricky .. Puff divorced, who do not want to study, get a diploma and after that do not work with either hands or head. A moronic philosophy for especially external students is to pay to learn and pay extra to not study. The funny thing is - well, you got the crusts of a technical university, came to production - you’ll be split into one or two, what kind of techie are you.
      3. _Forgiven_
        _Forgiven_ 14 October 2013 21: 38 New
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        This is all that you have listed, my friend, this is the real 3 World War. She is quiet. Western civilizations have long realized that the Slavic people cannot be defeated in the war. He found another loophole, and now through it they seduce children and so on. As in my opinion, more such discussions are needed on this topic, and on many others in principle. People need to open their eyes to the truth so that they crawl out of their comfort zone and move, children were brought up in the end correctly. Until a real leader has appeared, who will go after the mountains, the Slavic people need to cooperate and act together. This is the only way to stand against all this dirt
        1. papas-57
          papas-57 15 October 2013 04: 27 New
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          Don't talk nonsense about the West with its quiet World War 3. Not a single politician will wait 300-400 years for Russia to collapse, so he is not interested, because he will not see the result. Everything that is happening in Russia now is entirely the merit of the government and its `` sponsors ''. All of them live in the present day and they do not care about the future, whatever it may be. If only now THEM was good. "And after us, even a flood."
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 14 October 2013 09: 43 New
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      Quote: a52333
      They trampled on good corn

      Yes, there’s a callus. Zadolbali already have tales about maternal capital. To use this money, you need to have special psychological training. And strong legs.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 14 October 2013 11: 47 New
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Zadolbali already fairy tales about maternity capital
      2. hommer
        hommer 14 October 2013 11: 47 New
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        Education is now THEORETALLY FREE, medicine is similar to THEORETICAL. But in the end, theory does not converge with practice. Constantly growing tariffs, gasoline, food, clothing ...
        1. SolomonSS
          SolomonSS 14 October 2013 11: 54 New
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          And so it turns out. But keep in mind that no one will go to the bloodshed. And in other ways, you can’t push the top.

          The funniest thing will be if they make a back column against everyone! I think it is this "CANDIDATE" that will win in any election! This will be an indicator of the trust and support of the citizens of the Russian Federation to our government.
      3. leon-iv
        leon-iv 14 October 2013 12: 21 New
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        special psychological training. And strong legs.

        Burst out.
        Receiving by electronic profile in PF. 4 re of the document with you EMNIP for the wife received.
        You give in the bank.
      4. loisop
        loisop 14 October 2013 21: 08 New
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        Last year I "bought" (mortgage) a 2-room apartment. Almost half of the cost was closed by MatCapital. They went to the Pension Fund exactly 2 times - they applied for an MC, after about a month they received a certificate. The certificate was attached to the agreement with the bank;). After another 2 months, MK fell into the account, the bank made a recalculation. Since that moment, I have been working about 1600 rubles / month. As for me, it's more than good. The rent, by the way, is more))
        What did I do wrong?
    3. honest jew
      honest jew 14 October 2013 14: 42 New
      +8
      Vote for United Russia more often !!!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2013 14: 50 New
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        well enough already to drive the blizzard
        the head of the settlement doesn’t do any damn things for us, he never voted for her, he’s always crawling the bastard, all the same screaming that he’s their EP when he was cursing with the regional authorities because of the closed bridge, and it turned out to the authorities of the party that she’s from the Communist Party, and the EP helped with the bridge, but the commies didn’t even consider it necessary to call back
        1. Sosed74
          Sosed74 14 October 2013 20: 46 New
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          That's about that and the speech - that thieves and crooks are all around. At least in the EP, at least in the Communist Party, the same LDPR-are the saints sitting there ???
          If you want to live, pay. If you want to live well, pay well. Nothing is done anywhere for free. Grandmas decide everything and money again. wassat And everything is done - only for the sake of money, and not for the sake of people or some other ideals there. There is no profit, no profit, no material benefit - no one will even lift a toe.
          Until you stir yourself - no one moves. sad recourse
          1. Raphael_83
            Raphael_83 14 October 2013 20: 53 New
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            "In our world there is no place for good and bad, dear, we have completely different criteria" - "Is it profitable, not profitable?" - "Exactly" ("Heir of Fate", A. Bessonov) hi
          2. loisop
            loisop 14 October 2013 21: 14 New
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            Look out the window! There, actually, by Capitol! The power of money. What, in fact, surprises you?
            1. Raphael_83
              Raphael_83 14 October 2013 21: 36 New
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              "+" set. "Listen, Izma! But he said the same thing when he fired you!" - "I know! This is called evil irony" ("The new guise of the emperor") wink
              And now who else but I should know about capitalism, I’ve been working in banks (the most concentrated capitalism for 10 years) and I know whose and what kind of money is being rolled through us under the guise of all kinds of gratuitous help and civil charity donations.
              From SW. hi
              Sorry for the mistakes, wrote too fast ... recourse
        2. Sosed74
          Sosed74 14 October 2013 20: 50 New
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          Once the EP helped with the bridge - then it was profitable for them. In terms of either the PR of the election, or in terms of - that just something had to be done in order to write off the stolen money, or in order to plunder them - which is most likely. wassat belay
          Interesting - in how many millions r. did the budget bridge stand up? Probably worth its weight in gold. yes
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2013 21: 04 New
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            listen, whining is not tired
            all around there is one thieves and bastards, by yourself what are you judging?
          2. loisop
            loisop 14 October 2013 21: 23 New
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            Can you confirm the fact of stealing "bucks"?
            1 no? Well, you don’t have to telepath with the language.
            2 Can you? And have the claim been taken to the prosecutor's office? What a fine fellow!!

            Choose your option wassat
      2. wax
        wax 14 October 2013 21: 32 New
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        Honest Jew, well ... you, in a good way.
      3. papas-57
        papas-57 15 October 2013 05: 07 New
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        For whom do not vote - the result will be the same, because politics is not led by the president and the government, but BIG MONEY.
    4. starshina78
      starshina78 14 October 2013 20: 13 New
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      I am familiar with all these problems! Although my children are already parents themselves, my daughter is a widow and therefore the questions of financial support for granddaughters for studying at school lie with me and grandmother. It’s better not to say how much it costs - they won’t believe, they will blame it, they will say PR and lies, but, alas, it’s true. Granddaughters study at the same school, and therefore we pay for two, although there were disputes over the reasons for paying for protection and cleaning of common areas. In addition - paying for an interactive whiteboard (younger), buying furniture in classes, plastic windows, linoleum on the floor (older), buying additional benefits (although they should be issued free of charge), and then on the list. Horror! The most interesting thing is that on TV they say write to the prosecutor's office, they say, she will figure it out. So with the younger granddaughter to study the daughter of the prosecutor, and he also pays !!! And does not excite!
    5. vjhbc
      vjhbc 14 October 2013 20: 35 New
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      to service the extractive industry and lackeys, the owners of life need somewhere around 20 million people, and there are more than a hundred of you, so say thank you for doing everything according to the soft version by natural attrition so live peacefully and in the cemetery, and then you have so many problems that the management already your head hurts and if you strain it a lot, they can’t stand it and start to solve your problem radically through an operation incompatible with your life
      Quote: a52333
      FC Skiff: Convince our women to give birth
      Good morning.
      They stomped on good calluses. There is something to "scratch turnips".
      This is also housing for young families. - let the lease be long-term. And subsidies for large families (from 3 children already needed). The demographic hole, in which we are now arriving, has already shown itself from the "good" side. I'm afraid the LADY gets paid to have this problem Did not decide
    6. olegff68
      olegff68 14 October 2013 22: 19 New
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      Quote: a52333
      And subsidies for large families, (from 3 children are already needed) I'm afraid LADIES are paid to make this problem Did not decide

      Yes, no one even knows how to solve this problem. If it is solved with a condachka, at the federal level, then those who have everything in order with the demographics and who live without working for a single subsidy without a smile are the first to smile (the Caucasus and etc.)
      But in order to solve it, political will and understanding are needed. Recognize the Russians as a state-forming nation and provide targeted assistance according to a special program, but no one will do it - the gut is thin. Because we have no Russians even our republic (under the USSR was the RSFR), now there is Dagestan, Chechnya, etc. but Russia is not !!!
    7. Petr1
      Petr1 15 October 2013 07: 15 New
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      uv.a523346 reading this wonderful article directly pointing to the problems of our state. One can only guess what kind of ladies you write and what conclusions you make, of which you are sure that the ladies are paid So that they hurt us!
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 15 October 2013 19: 48 New
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        it is necessary that Mr. P. have small children - then maybe interest in your problems will appear smile
        but now in the news I see the leader flew to Tobolsk, and the pah airport was not at all very good, so he immediately ordered a good airport to be built.

        and that’s all so with what we have a personal interest, it’s being built
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 07: 43 New
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    I don’t know which city Skiff is from, but back in 2008 we dug a children's corner and it cost almost 40 thousand. School fees are a separate line, but not a little too. As for the plastic windows, we also constantly collect it, it all depends on the sponsor of the school. If the sponsors are small, they can only dream of plastic and collect loot from their parents. For repairs, for all sorts of crap. I can’t even imagine how the author got into the oblique at five belay One suit or dress yes plus havchik is already at least two more.
    1. bddrus
      bddrus 14 October 2013 07: 53 New
      +1
      "children's corner" - what are you talking about?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 October 2013 08: 20 New
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        Quote: bddrus
        "children's corner" - what are you talking about?

        Type in google, look at the photo. They are different.
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 14 October 2013 08: 29 New
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      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      With regard to plastic windows, we also constantly collect it, it all depends on the sponsor of the school


      Along the way, almost all Russian schools windows change every year request
      Moreover, with regard to the money for repairs, including the replacement of windows, money for this is allocated from the municipal budget (or should stand out) as far as I know. You can safely go to the prosecutor's office, but I can bet that not a single indignant parent will go there, because everyone is sure that such a trip will seriously affect the performance of their children.
      Prosecutors themselves in particular in the Sverdlovsk region
      since the beginning of this school year, no complaints have been received from parents about unlawful requisitions in schools.
      . A vicious circle is obtained. And the Olympics and the World Cup are to blame for everything, as well as the most militarized military budget than our liberals like to blame and, of course, President Putin personally. Only when they will bomb and blow up our schools will not remember the social budget. But isn’t it easier for parents to unite, create an initiative group, chip in a lawyer and not paint with linoleum and hammer at all instances starting from Rosobrnadzor and ending with the prosecutor’s office. Water does not flow under a lying stone. Let us recall what noise started after an unlawful increase in housing and communal services tariffs, it came right down to the government. What good is it that even the Rosobrnadzor officials themselves decided to hold anonymous survey !!!
      parents about levies in schools.
      An anonymous survey of parents about requisitions in schools began in Novosibirsk
      Here is an approximate estimate of the cost of one of the classes in the Sverdlovsk region





      This is a typical school not elite, it seems that in many schools in Russia the situation is similar, the items of expenditure are approximately the same.
      School administrations usually consider psychological aspectIndeed, if you don’t pass the money, it will mean in the eyes of other parents that you refuse to give your child the best conditions for education, and most importantly not only yours. In addition, if you limit yourself from school fees, then the child can not only not improve the educational environment, but also worsen all the conditions of study in this institution. Naturally, the teacher will try to prove to you that without the new “super” textbook that you refused to buy, your child will not get out of the triples now. Before you blame the Olympics with the head teacher and the director did not try to talk together (question to the author)? Apparently not, because I didn’t see any mention of this in the article, Often even such a conversation can immediately bear fruit in terms of reducing VOLUNTARY COLLECTION. They will explain to you that this is important for children, they will complain about meager funding, etc., then you can threaten that you will act according to the foregoing plan. Often this works, because the entire school administration knows what the consequences are for their posts and their future careers.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 14 October 2013 08: 54 New
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        What the school does not have the right to take money
        - for textbooks;
        - for repair;
        - for the purchase of furniture, replacement of windows, doors;
        - for the improvement of the territory, including the purchase of seedlings, seedlings;
        - for the acquisition of musical instruments and sports equipment;
        - for classes that are provided for by federal standards;
        - for the purchase of computers, other visual aids, including games and toys;
        - to pay the cleaning staff.
        What can a school raise money for:
        - for additional classes that go beyond the program;
        - on excursions;
        - on guard if parents wish.
        Rosobrnadzor once again reminded parents, for which schools and kindergartens can not charge. "All expenses for teachers' salaries, purchase of textbooks and teaching aids, teaching aids, including computers and other digital equipment, games, and toys ..." are borne by the region. The necessary money is transferred to everyone from the federal budget.
        Local authorities are responsible for the repair, maintenance of buildings, sports and playgrounds. They also care about the improvement of the territory. Neither lawn flowers nor tree planting parents are required to fold.
        1. Dima67
          Dima67 14 October 2013 09: 59 New
          11
          Good morning! I agree with you. All this is the prestige of the state and so on. But, it all reminds me of a feast during the plague. Of course, we need olympiads and everything else, just let's put things in order in our country, but after all we will show how rich and strong Russia we are. And so, how many people are barely making ends meet looking at the Olympic Games in football and in endless shows, all this is necessary?
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 14 October 2013 10: 31 New
            12
            Quote: Dima67
            All this is the prestige of the state and so on. But, it all reminds me of a feast during the plague. Of course, we need olympiads and everything else, just let's put things in order in our country, but after all we will show how rich and strong Russia we are. And so, how many people are barely making ends meet looking at the Olympic Games in football and in endless shows, all this is necessary?


            I just want to clarify that in this particular issue I raised my parents for money, requisitions in schools neither the Olympics nor other projects. It would be the same if there were neither the World Cup nor the Olympics. Or do not agree? This general ubiquitous tendency of capitalism, moreover, free and by no one in fact unregulated by lower citizens or top officials like ours. In this case, as in many others, it’s quite possible to force this system from below. work by law .And do not blame doing nothing at the Olympics, Putin, crooks and thieves. After all, the question is that children see how their parents lie down under requisitions. . There is only one question: the parents of whom they want to see from their children. Cowards and scoundrels or self-respecting people who know how to assert their rights. That's all I wanted to say. Yes, it’s hard chore. Problem. Better to pay and sit on the opera exactly, and the problem will only grow like a snowball. Is not it?
            My students went to school in the 90s, and then there was no such lawlessness, if we collected money, then on trifles like gifts and then voluntarily. But not voluntarily, forcibly, and we ourselves, the fathers, did the repairs in our free time (we even thought it was good a reason to get out of control wives for a while smile in terms of rallying the parent committee) they did, and even then the materials were purchased at the state expense. Apparently, the school was still not rebuilt from Soviet to capitalist rails. Now it’s too early for grandchildren to go to school yet, but in kindergarten they also try to play parental shows, first of all, I think so ..
            1. Dima67
              Dima67 14 October 2013 11: 11 New
              +6
              Yes, everything is clear! But why is it all being blamed on us. Medicines, products, schools, clothes, toys and fucking utilities. Why should we fight ourselves? And, the state in this case will puff out its cheeks and tell me about the health of the nation and the need for reform in education. And if the state does not have the ability to control this business, then why should we declare priorities in this whole business?
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 14 October 2013 11: 27 New
                +9
                Quote: Dima67
                And if the state does not have the ability to control this business, then why should we declare priorities in this whole business?


                Just state control in this matter more than. probably any head teacher and teacher will tell the supervisors about this to hell. Only a competent accountant, thanks to your gifts, will always provide reports on budget expenditures and acts of writing off materials so that not a single prosecutor will dig. My wife’s acquaintance works as a manager at school, so in private conversations she says that this is a real Klondike, money from the budget is allocated for cleaning and repair and landscaping, but the suckers-parents pay for everything, some of whom are ready to immediately pay for both the diploma and the exam wholesale. And budget money is safely debited and on paper everything is a chinar. Money allocated, windows delivered, repair done, left zero. And if it is arranged that the director and in the higher department puts everything in chocolate in general, except for her parents.
                1. Dima67
                  Dima67 14 October 2013 12: 45 New
                  +5
                  It is interesting to read your comments. True! But, someone can figuratively put a fist on the table, and someone can’t. At my work, 95% prefer to remain silent and not arise, so as not to lose their job. I just want to say that we are becoming a herd. Although of course not everything is good. Here we have on this site how many people are not indifferent. I hope in real life they are the same!
                  1. Nikolaitch
                    Nikolaitch 14 October 2013 15: 31 New
                    +1
                    They explained everything to you correctly, Dima67. Act!
                  2. Pilat2009
                    Pilat2009 14 October 2013 20: 21 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Dima67
                    But, someone can figuratively put a fist on the table, and someone can’t.

                    I want to ask those present here, how many of them have ever gone to protests? Or do they prefer to resent sitting at the monitor?
                    1. Starfish
                      Starfish 15 October 2013 19: 51 New
                      0
                      I want to ask those present here — how many of them have ever gone to protests? Or prefer to resent sitting at the monitor

                      it’s far to go to Moscow, but here at least go to the protests, local officials to the lantern
                  3. Joker
                    Joker 14 October 2013 21: 19 New
                    0
                    I hope in real life they are the same!

                    Dream, 95% is only here and pour out the soul))
                2. wax
                  wax 14 October 2013 22: 12 New
                  0
                  Kickbacks are where the parents' money goes, mostly. It is extremely difficult to turn budget money into "live" money. And without kickbacks, you cannot get budget funding on time. The path to the ministry itself is paved with kickbacks. And the same prosecutors, for whose children they also "bring in", cover all this.
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 14 October 2013 10: 39 New
          15
          Quote: Ascetic
          What the school does not have the right to take money

          One parent, when asked what he can do for the school, replied: “Open a criminal case.” For the next 11 years, the administration did not bother him with requests for material assistance.
        3. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 14 October 2013 10: 56 New
          +7
          for textbooks, a blatant lie, Mr. Livanov recently repeated it, school textbooks cannot be purchased for a simple reason, the deadline for declared textbook relevance is 3 years, the reason is that after three years payments to the authors will end and additions will follow immediately, what's new in three years physics of chemistry, and indeed practically in all subjects - nothing, they need to be reprinted without additions and changes, then the set will gradually be typed, what is needed? the ministry’s order is from top to bottom, and then they will stop printing a new crap, because it will not be in demand, the books are now high-quality and there will be enough for five or even more years, then the money allocated to schools will be enough, who needs to buy extra, another question is how is formed such a sky-high valuing books, some fiction next to it is some kind of bestseller - 200-300, and a textbook 400-500, or modestly 300, but two parts are needed (ascetic, thanks for help and plus)
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 14 October 2013 20: 25 New
            +2
            Quote: nov_tech.vrn
            the reason is that after three years payments to the authors are over and the additions immediately follow, what's new in three years is happening in chemistry physics

            Generally funny. What's new at the school level can happen in chemistry and physics? Well, with history, another question
            Earlier we were given textbooks in the library, and we accordingly left after graduation. The help of parents was to make stands
        4. Kubatai
          Kubatai 14 October 2013 11: 05 New
          +4
          All you wrote is a theory (at least in the regions)
          1. For the repair of schools in my city allocated 50 thousand rubles - try what’s called repair. For comparison, in the SP-ge for each student 1500 - 2000 p. student at school.
          2. Textbooks - the ruble was not allocated to schools.
          And so it can go on endlessly ..
          And I’m lying ... purposefully allocated money - they surrounded all schools with a new fence.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 14 October 2013 11: 52 New
            -1
            Quote: Kubatai For the repair of schools in my city allocated 50 thousand rubles - try what is called repair [/ quote
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          2. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 14 October 2013 13: 32 New
            +4
            Quote: Kubatai
            All you wrote is a theory (at least in the regions)

            Also from the outback. The school building, which cracked, was repaired. The gym stood a couple of years in disrepair, put in order.
            Textbooks received almost everything, with the exception of a couple of little things.
            The parent committee of the class collects funds for protection, cleaning products, and tea parties, which take place 2 times a year, where they congratulate those who have a birthday for half a year, either from this year or from the next tea party. Children want, let them arrange and organize themselves. Big ones already.
            All kinds of excursions and trips to other cities during the holidays are not included in this list. Separate article. Only interested persons participate.
      2. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 14 October 2013 11: 41 New
        +9
        Quote: Ascetic
        And the Olympics and the World Cup are to blame for everything, as well as the most militarized military budget, which our liberals like to blame so much and of course President Putin personally.

        Respected Ascetic. I read your comments, and those below. As always competently and ... (not as always) is absolutely far from practice, life. They painted us a theory, but what's the point? You write about a legitimate "fight" with "not good" teachers, you ask: who tried it.
        Quote: Consul-t
        Swearing and proving is useless. I tried to talk normally at school when the eldest son was studying. German taught English (Armenian by nationality) and taught the wrong and terrible pronunciation. I tried to do it myself, the child cried and said that the teacher would curse. She made me read the English text in German. Correcting it later is more difficult. Why immediately teach wrong? I went to school to talk. Accused of all mortal sins, the teacher began to yell and attract the attention of others. I screamed at the children that I was supposedly not going to rape her. I went to the teacher's office to the head teacher. Next came the Armenian and all the teachers in a crowd at me. Nobody even wanted to listen to the reason for my arrival. As the gypsies pounced on the camp. Then they recoup on the child. Now I don’t go to meetings, I’m afraid I will fall off. Wife walks

        And he's not the only one. And the most important thing - I NOW NEED TO "Fight" EVERYWHERE FOR MY RIGHTS ??? At school, university, at work, in the housing office, in a store, on the road, etc. SO? Consolidate, hire lawyers, prove that I'm not an ass. By the way - for your own money. As in PND, ND (dispensaries), when receiving honey. certificates that I am not a nutcase and not a drunk - each certificate is 200-300 rubles. There is no time, no effort, no money, there is not enough to solve the issues that arise during the day in a week. Utopia.

        And for the Olympics ... i.e. lower the Olympic flame to the bottom of Lake Baikal, send it into space, drag it uphill - all this contributes to the promotion of a healthy lifestyle and physical education ???
        And I thought that these are the listed symptoms of the mentally ill ...
        1. Rider
          Rider 14 October 2013 12: 48 New
          +4
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          And the most important thing - I NOW NEED TO "Fight" EVERYWHERE FOR MY RIGHTS ??? At school, university, at work, in the housing office, in a store, on the road, etc. SO?


          you know Anton, in many respects I agree with you, but I don’t just put it in a quote.

          if you / we / I / all DO NOT do this (at least in matters relating to ourselves and our loved ones), it will end with the fact that they will wipe our feet about us / you.

          if you and I do not need our rights, then officialdom is even more so.
          1. Dima67
            Dima67 14 October 2013 13: 12 New
            +2
            How many people in our country can calmly and reasonably pump rights in a store, office, at work, etc. And everywhere you need iron nerves. Well, a good knowledge of their rights. And we already have neither nerves nor evil. And if all by ourselves, then why do we need wise leadership, let us ourselves and then we will steer if so.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2013 13: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          I NOW EVERYWHERE "TO Fight" FOR MY RIGHTS ???

          it always has been, and with the Union the same
          1. Dima67
            Dima67 14 October 2013 13: 35 New
            +9
            Yes, it was sometimes. But there were more rights, and the state tried to fulfill what it declared. And the threat of the worker to complain to the OBKOM was not an empty phrase. And for an official to put a putt ticket on the table was tantamount to suicide.
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            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2013 13: 45 New
              +2
              Quote: Dima67
              And the threat of the worker to complain to OBKOM

              that is, everything had to be sought so, and now I can achieve it I know by myself
              1. Dima67
                Dima67 14 October 2013 14: 03 New
                +1
                Yes, yes. But sometimes it comes to the ridiculous, when you don’t need a nafig with your complaints, and you start walking through the courts with intricate monograms, until you give it all up. I myself came across this.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2013 14: 26 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Dima67
                  until you miss it all

                  but do not wave, you need to use the achievements of corruption, there are always those who want to take the place of an official, write to higher organizations, go to the GDP website is extremely effective, another question is that all this should be not in words, but confirmed by paper, hand over the incoming number , phoned require the number of the accepted telephone message
        3. Ascetic
          Ascetic 14 October 2013 17: 34 New
          +4
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          I NOW EVERYWHERE "TO Fight" FOR MY RIGHTS ??? At school, university, at work, in the housing office, in a store, on the road, etc. SO?


          And how do you like? For example, I also close my eyes to many ugliness. Well, you can say how Scythian Jr. ... and wave your hand, but when it comes to the family. Children, I'm sorry, it used to beat in the muzzle and close the monkey when legal methods did not work. It happened. and issued various Dolbotyatlovsky certificates more than once. There were legal proceedings with the administration (I went for the principle because we got it), I won four courts in spite of the administrative resource. As you can see, he’s alive and well (I knock on wood) and raised his daughters for whom he himself is not ashamed. They are all quiet people and they are afraid of publicity and a principled position, though I agree with you on all nerves and there is not enough money (plus work yet) but you need to uphold your basic values. To respect yourself.
    3. novobranets
      novobranets 14 October 2013 08: 34 New
      +8
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      School fees separate line

      And this line sometimes causes almost stress. Prices for children's things, "not for children", I would say inhumane. Buying all sorts of primers, one gets the impression that you are buying a rare tome. And in general, they got out all sorts of extortions and surcharges, it is not known for what. And all this against the background of "care for the younger generation", about which our disrespectful deputies are yelling with anguish in a zombie box. Unfortunately, the site rules do not allow me to express my feelings for them in full.
      1. alexng
        alexng 14 October 2013 09: 06 New
        +7
        In the nineties, when my children were still in school, the parent committee was responsible for and controlled everything, everything was controlled and spent for its intended purpose. All the same, it all depends on the parents themselves. Although these requisitions it would be high time to stop.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 14 October 2013 10: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: alexneg
          the parent committee was responsible for and controlled everything,

          And now the school management says to the parent committee: "But we should have ..." The parent committee answers: "We will do it!" And collects money. Everything turns out "according to the law". School - has nothing to do with extortion, everything is "at the request of the parents"
    4. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 14 October 2013 09: 44 New
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I can’t even imagine how the author met the graduation in five oblique belay

      Graduation in the kindergarten was laughing
      1. ale-x
        ale-x 14 October 2013 11: 12 New
        +3
        I will announce on the forum I saw: we are looking for TAMADA for a children's holiday (D.R. - 5 years old) And you laugh at "Graduation"))
  3. major071
    major071 14 October 2013 07: 45 New
    24
    The eternal problem. I have a son in 11th grade, how much money we spent on school - I don’t even want to remember. Every year, it’s on the curtains, then on linoleum, then on the windows. If you come to school, the linoleum is old, the curtains too, only the windows have changed and that’s not all. stop
    KVN recalled the Dnipro team: after a graduated classmate, they ask their friend Lenka, your mother is a school principal, what’s the matter with the linoleum for which we donated money? - And we go to the cottage on it. laughing
  4. queen
    queen 14 October 2013 07: 47 New
    +2
    No one argues that extreme measures are needed.
  5. igorra
    igorra 14 October 2013 07: 50 New
    32
    Everything is true. Nobody needs our children except us. It will be needed when you reach draft or childbearing age. But when the question arose a new car or a daughter (third child) still decided to give birth. It became hard, but you look at it and you realize that they really say "money is not happiness".
    1. Dima67
      Dima67 14 October 2013 10: 04 New
      +3
      You + and respect.
    2. Rider
      Rider 14 October 2013 12: 52 New
      +1
      You + and respect.


      You really and + (bold) and Respect.

      I didn’t decide on the 3rd.
      1. Alexred
        Alexred 15 October 2013 14: 46 New
        +1
        And I have the first twins-girls, we think with the boy’s wife, but the thought of something that again holds the two. I already can’t pull the third work two))
  6. zevs379
    zevs379 14 October 2013 07: 55 New
    13
    Before we had time to touch on knowledge, 5 thousand were taken from us on a voluntary-compulsory basis for the needs of the class (4 thousand for new plastic windows + 1 thousand for all kinds of cakes and gifts for birthday students - schoolchildren).


    And if the windows were already standing, they would be collected for new ventilation or for toilets. While we are afraid to say scum that she is scum, so we will pay extra. And then after all, a child will be slammed with a deuce.
    This is how a young citizen grows up with an understanding of the need for "greasing". This tradition must be broken - there are helplines. Feel that they are trying to at least call for a start.
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 14 October 2013 08: 17 New
      12
      This is where corruption begins, the child grows up with the realization that you have to pay extra money, hence the roots. I once made a proposal to ban at school any gifts to teachers other than inexpensive flowers on 1 September and do-it-yourself children's crafts, I did not find support.
    2. riding
      riding 14 October 2013 10: 38 New
      0
      Did you see scum in school? It is very unpleasant for a teacher with an outstretched hand to stand above the soul of a parent. Do not want to donate money for repairs, do not donate. This is a voluntary matter.
      1. sergey32
        sergey32 14 October 2013 11: 09 New
        +5
        The teacher, of course, does not scum, he himself is placed in such a framework. But try not to donate the money on time, the teacher with the whole class will begin to drip onto your child’s brains - where is the money? And the children are cruel, then they will begin to tease the poor. So make a choice.
        1. zevs379
          zevs379 14 October 2013 14: 54 New
          +6
          Quote: sergey32
          the teacher with the whole class will begin to drip on the brain of your child - where is the money? And the children are cruel, then they will begin to tease the poor.



          And you say that such a teacher is not scum?
          I don’t know a more biased profession. I experienced it myself in the distant 70s. Therefore, only a very tough control and increased salary.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2013 14: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: zevs379
            ... and increased salary.

            that's just the last one doesn’t necessarily give the result with our heads, the doctor in the district receives about 300 thousand, and medicine ...
  7. Sergeant
    Sergeant 14 October 2013 07: 57 New
    +9
    ... then soon you will have to look for citizens for Russia somewhere on the side.


    This is already at work. winked
    Simplification of obtaining Russian citizenship is proof of this ...
  8. Takashi
    Takashi 14 October 2013 07: 58 New
    +7
    I completely agree with the author.
    The only thing I think is that there is no demographic crisis in Russia. It has exactly as many people as its production (economy) ... To be convinced of this, it is enough to take a ride along the TransSib or get into one-industry towns, and not even single-industry towns. Constant stress with work (which is not), and ...... everything that the author wrote above.

    Olympics, Bridges in Vladik. Summits ... Flightless Clubs, non-floating boats ... tired of already ..
    Remember, Kursk sank. Navy veteran (father of the deceased officer) said good words:
    "Don't frighten America with bare butts."
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 14 October 2013 08: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Takashi
      It has exactly as many people as its production (economy) ...

      You won’t say more good
  9. bddrus
    bddrus 14 October 2013 07: 59 New
    +8
    And without "plastic windows" in any way? You can organize a clean-up day and go out to warm for the winter. We got used to being afraid that they would "crush the children" - so they ride us. There is a colleague at work - he says he sent everyone - "I won't give money, it’s supposed to be for the state account - fuck off" and does not complain. Demanding legal rights has turned into "arrogance", what a life, what kind of us!
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 14 October 2013 11: 24 New
      +6
      But he also "did not give", after the boy was transferred a year later from the newly renovated and completed group to another, where everything was also expected. So now we will take the girl to the other end of the city, in our kindergarten there was no place for her, even in the new paid group. So it goes.

      But I and my wife categorically refuse to provide money for all kinds of troubled there. And my mother-in-law forbid.
  10. Flying Dutchman
    Flying Dutchman 14 October 2013 08: 03 New
    +3
    And what did you actually want? We have been living in a state of wild capitalism for a long time, then there will be more.
    1. queen
      queen 14 October 2013 08: 08 New
      -2
      Quote: Flying Dutchman
      it's only the beginning.

      In Moscow, a rhinoceros is looking for a murdered guy, or else there will be.
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 14 October 2013 12: 06 New
      -1
      Quote: Flying Dutchman
      We have long been living in a state of wild capitalism
      1. loisop
        loisop 14 October 2013 21: 34 New
        +1
        AND? Do you confuse "social" and "socialist"? Or somewhere in the same place, but between the lines, you see the addendum "free for everyone"?
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 15 October 2013 15: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: loisop
          AND? You still confuse "social" and "socialist"?
          I do not confuse.

          Or somewhere in the same place, but between the lines, you see the addendum "free for everyone"?
          Take the trouble to look into the dictionary and see the meaning of this phrase.
  11. queen
    queen 14 October 2013 08: 05 New
    +2
    A teacher must teach, a policeman to serve. We have become a business, but nothing good will come of it. We are waiting for changes as in Tsoi’s song.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 14 October 2013 12: 45 New
      +3
      Victor was waiting ... and now, he would vomit from what our people were waiting for ...
  12. Alikovo
    Alikovo 14 October 2013 08: 11 New
    +3
    all the pressing issues of the modern school are listed. to the author +.
  13. ReifA
    ReifA 14 October 2013 08: 16 New
    +2
    In all capitalist + democratic countries, the same problem is evident. Since in my family I am both an accountant and a thinker, I have not yet calculated, and have not thought about how to make more than 2 children, financially.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 14 October 2013 09: 40 New
      12
      Quote: ReifA
      In all capitalist + democratic countries, the same problem is evident. Since in my family I am both an accountant and a thinker, I have not yet calculated, and have not thought about how to make more than 2 children, financially.


      single person and single family interested in low birth rates in order to ensure high comfort and level of consumption. But society, a country that has reached a high level of wealth and needs, is still interested in what they were once united with the family - in increasing the number of workers and the same warriors, although for today and potential.
      The high population in rich countries today is deceiving. It consists of three factors. The first: decreasing mortality due to medical advances, that is, the declining proportion of workers and potential warriors.
      Second: increasing the number of migrants performing the least qualified and prestigious types of work, which results in the erosion of national identity and growing conflicts of multicultural societies, which, in turn, is fraught with some new, seemingly outdated conflicts over the redistribution of livelihoods. And, by the way, the redistribution of both habitats and types of employment.
      The third factor: lack of warriors. Not passing puppet military service in non-fighting armies of warriors, with online games in the evenings and leaving for the weekend home, but real ones who are ready to fight and go for the interests of their country to death.
      Since wars do not arise at all from the ambitions of politicians, but from the need to protect their resources and acquire strangers, contract migrants may well begin to satisfy the need for warriors in rich countries after some time. As it was during the period of the decline of Rome: the conquered foreign slaves provided Rome with work, the hired foreign warriors protected it from the enemy, the Romans themselves degenerated.
      Migrants in construction sites, migrants in factories, migrants in laboratories migrants in the army - the prospect of a modern partially post-industrial society that has taken the path consumer society.
      No matter how rich this society becomes, insofar as the main thing for its citizens is comfort and consumptionthey always, as a motive, exceed the motives for childbearing. And an extra child will remain an extra eater. And the family will not need it either as an extra worker, or as an extra warrior.
      Consumer society is doomed to degeneration
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 14 October 2013 09: 40 New
        +6
        Of all these factors in Russia, the second is the most obvious. According to the first, we are rather driven to the level of countries - the servants of the "golden billion". On the third I'm sure that in Russia there will never be a mass transfer of warriors ready to die for the interests of the motherland, despite all the efforts of the liberoids to break up the army and turn it into a kindergarten according to Western standards. It should be clearly understood that all talk about human rights, humanism and the intrinsic value of human life is just a deception for affirmation of consumer self-worth and its values.
        A simple change of power or economic formation will not help here, first of all, society must mature or create conditions for change of motivevalue foundations of society. I.e the main thing should be the motive of creation and not consumption
        How to achieve this? Based on what? Here is the question for thinker. I personally do not have a clear answer to it. I had experience creating such a society in the USSR, but alas, it failed, so I need to clearly rethink the reasons for this failure, and here I also don’t see a deep understanding. And is our society ready for a change in life guidelines and values? The request for them exists is a fact. But how to realize this again there is no clear answer. One I know for sure that in the conditions of a liberal market economy such a transition is impossible. In order not to go along the Roman path of degeneration and collapse which the Europeans follow, it is necessary, at least for a start, to switch to nationally oriented sovereign capitalism, the birth of which was cut short The October Revolution in Russia, but this is a topic for another discussion.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 14 October 2013 11: 25 New
          +8
          But the USSR did not die because it was doomed historically. Gorbachev and Yeltsin betrayed the country and people. Hitler at least had the courage to shoot himself after realizing the damage he had personally done to Germany.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 14 October 2013 12: 00 New
            +7
            Quote: Basarev
            But the USSR did not die because it was doomed historically. Gorbachev and Yeltsin betrayed the country and people.


            And no one says that the USSR was doomed. If we talk about betrayal, this happened because the state management system itself degraded when there was a smooth departure from the Stalinist principles of personnel policy in particular, which allowed opportunists and renegades and often outright agents of influence to penetrate into all echelons of power, including the KGB. Gorbachev and Eltsin are just the tip of this iceberg. But why this has become possible is again a separate topic not in the discussion of this article.
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 14 October 2013 11: 22 New
        +3
        And rightly so - as far as I remember, the budget was extremely militarized in the barbarian tribes, and the standard of living was not. However, the barbarians still managed to crush the largest consumer society in history - the Roman Empire. That's how the production society defeated the consumer society.
  14. Nayhas
    Nayhas 14 October 2013 08: 27 New
    +3
    Gathering to school is just kapets! The author is the fattest plus. Next year I also have my daughter to go to school, I'm already in shock in advance. And about the fees for plastic windows, my wife and I decided, fuck them and not money for windows, now we are on the list of enemies, but there are many of them. The saddest thing is that now they don't really teach, teachers practice "letting go of the lesson" when they instruct themselves hours, but they really can't work. I generally keep quiet about quality.
    1. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 14 October 2013 11: 30 New
      +3
      Often the explanation of the material is thrown off to the house ... you will decide, sort it out. It is what it is.
  15. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 14 October 2013 08: 31 New
    +9
    This is not just an article, but a cry from the heart! As I understand this scream !! I myself have two schoolchildren of 11 and 12 years old. The school law does not work. Everything is decided by concepts. And at the Olympics, Championships and Summits .... it's all true ..... soon the last pants will be taken off with us .... just to let the dust in the eyes of foreigners
  16. Revolver
    Revolver 14 October 2013 08: 34 New
    10
    In America, there are no extortions in the public school as such. That is, they regularly gather on a trip to the whole class somewhere, to hold some kind of event, in general, with a special purpose. BUT:
    If you want children to go to a decent school (statistics for all schools are available - how standardized tests are passed, what percentage goes to college colleges). And if you look at what and what percentage sits (well, this applies more to places like the South Bronx or Camden). And note, good schools are usually in those cities and towns where houses cost more, and property taxes are higher. Not surprisingly, local authorities primarily spend these taxes on schools, and police, roads, garbage collection, etc. in the very second and subsequent lines. So nothing comes out of nothing, you have to pay for everything anyway.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 14 October 2013 11: 30 New
      +7
      But still, Soviet education was the most effective. Incredible loot was invested in schools, universities and other educational institutions. That is why highly skilled workers and engineers left them, after they came to the factory and ensured the release of the highest quality products - with a quality mark. After that, they were sold out how much in vain - therefore, the factories had fabulous profits. Therefore, it was enough for pioneer camps, and for schools and sanatoriums.
  17. Prometey
    Prometey 14 October 2013 08: 55 New
    +9
    I agree with the author and support. In our kindergarten, 3 thousand rubles are annually collected from parents for the needs of the group. No, I do not mind the money for new toys, dishes, bedding. But when the teacher came down and said that they would additionally collect 4 thousand for new windows, I directly indicated where the forest is. And about school next year, it’s scary to think. But really, why the government has surrendered, which can squander billions into some useless Olympiad, but at the same time cannot regulate Sovdep queues in a children's clinic. Why, in the age of telephony and the Internet, should I queue at 7 a.m. to a specialist in order to get a ticket for this very day and for no other?
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 14 October 2013 11: 32 New
      +5
      In the Soviet Union, at least they didn’t shake their last pennies from their parents
  18. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 14 October 2013 09: 04 New
    16
    Quote: ReifA
    In all capitalist + democratic countries, the same problem is evident

    Allow gentlemenhi , here present short-REFORM FROM LIVANOV-MEDVEDEV ... am
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 14 October 2013 12: 13 New
      -1
      Quote: Valery Neon
      REFORM FROM LIVANOV-MEDVEDEV ...
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 14 October 2013 12: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Valery Neon
      REFORM FROM LIVANOV-MEDVEDEV ...
  19. DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 14 October 2013 09: 53 New
    25
    There is a quote from such a very smart person in my opinion ...

    "If a citizen is forced to pay for education and medical care, to accumulate a pension from his own funds, to pay housing and utilities in full at the market price, then why do I need such a state ?! Why should I still pay taxes and maintain a crazy army of officials? I have always said at all levels that healthcare, education and science should be provided from the budget. If the state puts this concern on us, let it disappear, it will be much easier for us!".

    Nobel laureate in physics, academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Zhores Alferov

    PS Under the word state, I think he had in mind the entire bureaucratic apparatus and the vertical, and I agree with him.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 14 October 2013 11: 34 New
      +5
      Here is a golden man!
  20. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 14 October 2013 09: 57 New
    +7
    my son graduated from the University this year ... i.e. the saga - kindergarten-school-university is over. I got the feeling that my income doubled))).

    I agree with the author on 100%.

    as for demography - people do not all thoroughly study their budgets, but they do not give birth. instinctively, just have a feeling that it’s not up to them, we wouldn’t starve ourselves
  21. leon-iv
    leon-iv 14 October 2013 10: 02 New
    +2
    I want to comment on some data from Ascetic.
    The wife of the chairman of the parent therefore I can comment on some actions.
    - for textbooks;
    - for repair;

    For repairs they can, but with Reporting (just a lot of people want to get out quickly on windows and doors). Voluntarily
    - for the improvement of the territory, including the purchase of seedlings, seedlings;

    No, maybe there are agronomists. An exception if a circle of biologists. But again, all with reporting.
    - for the acquisition of musical instruments and sports equipment;

    As a sponsorship assistance with appropriate tax relief afterwards.
    - for the purchase of computers, other visual aids, including games and toys;

    see above
    - to pay the cleaning staff.

    It’s debatable here. For zp they have a little fold off at will

    BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THIS IS REPORTING. For soon parental committees will participate in the calculation of the bonus part of the teacher's salary.
  22. TROG
    TROG 14 October 2013 10: 16 New
    +4
    All this can result in impunity, because the state (city) loves money to repair schools, they just saw in the school itself, and it all seems to parents as if there is no money.
  23. Armata
    Armata 14 October 2013 10: 28 New
    +9
    I support the author. We entered a school uniform, the cost of 4500 rub. Every Saturday they go to the Galeleo Museum, this is from 600 to 1500 rubles. Lunches at 1400 school per month (those who did not have money for everything were not allowed to attend classes). Now let's move on to the tower. Elder every day for travel and lunch 300 rub. For everything else 18 thousand rubles. per semester. I’m not a poor person, but after that I’m no longer even enough for basic clothes. and if the child gets cold, 3000 rubles from the bush just for medicine. It has become economically unprofitable to think about people, and if in Russian at the helm sit the wheels. They do not care for their own people, if something will be brought rams from behind a hill.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 14 October 2013 10: 35 New
      +2
      those who had no money for everything were not allowed to study

      at how?
      Part 2 of article 43 of the Constitution guarantees the accessibility and free availability of pre-school, basic general and secondary vocational education in state or municipal educational institutions and enterprises. Basic general education is education in the volume of 9 classes of a comprehensive school or another educational institution equated to it. Obtaining a complete (secondary) general education in the volume of 10-11 classes is a private matter for everyone. In accordance with part 3 of article 5 of the Law on Education, the state guarantees the accessibility and free access to primary general, basic general, secondary (complete) general education and primary vocational education.
      1. Armata
        Armata 14 October 2013 10: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: leon-iv
        at how?
        Hi comrad. Yes, like that. It is forbidden to go to school without a uniform. From the 3 class, girls and 5 boys were not allowed to attend classes because they could not buy a uniform.
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 14 October 2013 10: 45 New
          +2
          Then the prosecutor’s office and those will be pulled as the gophers precedents were. And if they could not buy a uniform, then EMNIP is a poor citizen, and lunch and travel are also free of charge from us.
          1. Armata
            Armata 14 October 2013 10: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: leon-iv
            Then the prosecutor’s office and those will be pulled as the gophers precedents were. And if they could not buy a uniform, then EMNIP is a poor citizen, and lunch and travel are also free of charge from us.
            I’ll come to you on Friday and see how you drive for free. laughing By the way, all plans are valid. drinks
            1. leon-iv
              leon-iv 14 October 2013 11: 08 New
              +3
              By the way, all plans are valid.

              I got a spare liver from a can drinks
  24. Consul-t
    Consul-t 14 October 2013 10: 34 New
    +5
    I have three children.
    The situation is similarly described in the article. Zadolbalo all.
    Against olympiads and championships. They cannot bring order to the country.
    at the championships grandmothers are washed.
    Swearing and proving is useless. I tried to talk normally at school when the eldest son was studying. German taught English (Armenian by nationality) and taught the wrong and terrible pronunciation. I tried to do it myself, the child cried and said that the teacher would curse. She made me read the English text in German. Correcting is then more difficult. Why immediately teach wrong? I went to school to talk. Accused of all mortal sins, the teacher began to yell and attract the attention of others. I screamed at the children that I was supposedly not going to rape her. I went to the teacher's office to the head teacher. Next came the Armenian and all the teachers in a crowd at me. Nobody even wanted to listen to the reason for my arrival. As the gypsies pounced on the camp. Then they recoup on the child.
    Now I don’t go to meetings; Wife walks.
    Constant requisitions.
    1. Armata
      Armata 14 October 2013 10: 53 New
      +4
      Quote: Consul-t
      Swearing and proving is useless. I tried to talk normally at school when the eldest son was studying. German taught English and taught the wrong and creepy pronunciation. I tried to do it myself, the child cried and said that the teacher would curse. She made me read the English text in German. Correcting later is more difficult. Why immediately teach wrong? I went to school to talk. Accused of all mortal sins. Then they recoup on the child.
      Now I don’t go to meetings; Wife walks.
      Constant requisitions.
      Comrad. Teachers are afraid of me at school. Everybody has their fathers called, my mother has long been the only one. They will bring my wife to tears, I come. And all these dropouts cannot even say a word against, their education is below the plinth. When you ask them for documents on costs, they are silent, like to the director. Come to the director, "We can expel your boy at any time." The question for what? And then how will they unharness in court? They are silent, they chew snot.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 14 October 2013 11: 14 New
        +2
        My wife is the second V / O graduated lawyer now on social issues. Now they don’t argue with her either, because she’s very competent.
      2. Consul-t
        Consul-t 14 October 2013 13: 32 New
        +4
        So it’s like that, only you don’t know how much these teachers are able to ruin a child’s life and to go quiet in class.
        And everything will be according to the law. Do not dig in.
        Then the complexes for the whole life of the child.
        I myself am not silent. I speak constantly. Because of this, I often have problems.
        But I don’t want to spoil my child’s life yet. The child, as it were, did not receive more than three. Sometimes fours for a change. That the dad would not swear much.
        And what do you get in the end?
      3. loisop
        loisop 14 October 2013 21: 44 New
        0
        Oha, the picture is identical, as I looked in the mirror. Except, perhaps, "deduct at any time." (Afraid?).
    2. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 14 October 2013 11: 48 New
      +2
      An Armenian teacher, and even from Baku University, passed back in Soviet times, she had an exclusive pronunciation, fortunately we said goodbye to her even before high school.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2013 12: 06 New
        0
        Quote: nov_tech.vrn
        Armenian teacher, and even from Baku University, passed back in Soviet times, the pronunciation is exclusive

        what did she teach ?!
        1. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 14 October 2013 12: 13 New
          0
          English, of course, German was already unclaimed then
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2013 12: 22 New
            0
            Did she teach badly?
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  25. optimist
    optimist 14 October 2013 10: 44 New
    12
    There is a good Russian proverb: "Having taken off your head, you don't cry for your hair!" Having squandered our country 22 years ago (and we are all guilty of this to one degree or another), there is no point in whining about school extortions and similar facts. It is naive to expect any kind of "curtsey" from the current treacherous-bandit-oligarchic authorities. Their task is for us and our children to die as quickly as possible, and to take our places ... You know who ... Therefore, there are only two options: either "October 2017", or into slavery to the ravshans and dzhamshuts ...
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 14 October 2013 11: 39 New
      -1
      Comrades, what are we waiting for? To arms!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2013 13: 05 New
        +2
        Well, you took it in hand, then what? !!!
    2. yur
      yur 14 October 2013 21: 31 New
      -3
      And it is highly desirable that "October 2017" comes 4 years earlier.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2013 22: 30 New
        +3
        do you want to rob?
        do not be afraid that as a result yourself with a naked well ... will you stay ?!
  26. grafrozow
    grafrozow 14 October 2013 10: 48 New
    +6
    , a hundred times !

    With us, those who make decisions are not able to count at all! Our children are an investment in the future, a lot better than all kinds of incomprehensible funds there. The MORE, HEALTHY and Smarter future citizens will be, the more they build bridges, factories, power stations, the more the state will be able to collect taxes from them, the more future defenders of the Motherland, poets, artists, plumbers and tractor drivers will be.
    +++++ The granddaughter entered the Tyumen Oil College and it began ... Now they warned me to hand over 15000 rubles each in November. I would like to go there with "Vepr".
    1. alone
      alone 14 October 2013 21: 16 New
      0
      hello count! take more ammo and try not to miss
  27. Kahlan amnell
    Kahlan amnell 14 October 2013 10: 59 New
    +4
    Emotionally, but it’s right! The impression is that the majority of our "state" men the maximum that they can see is a fly on their nose. Well, also calculate an attempt to catch her. With a 95% miss chance.
    Children is our future. And he who does not understand this common truth or ignores it will die out. What our sworn friends achieve.
  28. Proud.
    Proud. 14 October 2013 11: 02 New
    16
    We didn’t have time to touch the knowledge of how we were voluntarily-forced to snatch 5 thousand for the needs of the class (4 thousand for new plastic windows + 1 thousand for all sorts of cakes and gifts for birthday men - schoolchildren).
    1. Consul-t
      Consul-t 14 October 2013 18: 49 New
      +5
      Strong. +++
      completely wispy
  29. Mhpv
    Mhpv 14 October 2013 11: 02 New
    +6
    You can’t eat a pear? (Maternity capital)
    The woman gave birth to a child — give her the money that was due and let her decide where to put it, and not live according to the orders of the state.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 14 October 2013 12: 38 New
      +5
      With maternity capital, everything is correct. I personally threw everything into the house, it helped a lot. All these restrictions are introduced so that the money really goes to the benefit of the family, and not stupidly drank or thoughtlessly spent
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 15 October 2013 08: 58 New
        0
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        rather than stupidly drunk or thoughtlessly wasted

        Those who wanted to drink or spend it lost it all the same, but nothing prevented you from investing in cash in an apartment, just someone else needed this money for something else.
        We didn’t get it at all, since the second one was born in 2004 and don’t whine, but we grow two, without capital, for ourselves, and not for a country that does not need citizens, but migrants.
  30. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 14 October 2013 11: 12 New
    +7
    The article is very relevant. And we ourselves, doing "like everyone else," imperceptibly corrupting our children and pushing the country to the edge of the abyss. Ascetic expressed himself very accurately, in my opinion:
    No matter how rich this society may become, insofar as the main thing for its citizens is comfort and consumption ...
    It is comfort and consumption that are the main stimulating moments of our society. What's next; After a classy swirling graduation at school? Mandatory admission to the university, no matter which, most important university. From which it will be incomprehensible who, who does not know how and does not want to create something, either with his brains or with his hands. And then this miracle will loudly declare that he has several higher educations. In truth, live a century, study a century ... you will die all one with a club.
    In our country, until the desire for creation returns, all thoughts will remain a sham. For some reason, our great-grandmothers, living not very richly, gave birth to 6-7 children. And what to expect from modern girls who, in kindergarten age, imagined themselves to be fashion models? Ugh...
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  32. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 14 October 2013 11: 20 New
    10
    I don’t understand what it is that "bothered" you? The fact that you have to pay money everywhere and the fact that you tries ... nobody needs in this state, except as "cash cows" for the bureaucracy and so-called. "entrants"? And who, in due time, enthusiastically destroyed the Soviet Union? Who, at one time, yelled at rallies that, they say, "we don't want to live in a common fund, where everything is public, we are individuals and we want independence? Who strummed with guitars at the walls of the Kremlin" protecting "Boris and his gang? Who shouted, that, they say, "we do not want to be ruled by the communists, we ourselves will manage, through" democracy. " So manage. Why don't you manage? Not enough brains? Or do you want "uncle" to come again and do everything for you? You didn't want to live under socialism and you yourself exchanged it for capitalism. So now eat your "independence", spread it on bread, put it on your children, pay it in schools, etc. Until you choke. Until you understand with every blood that you have ruined and until it reaches all of you that no one will bring you anything "on a silver platter", now everything must be achieved and, often, achieved with "sweat and blood." Capitalism, tea, my friends in the yard, that is, there is no profit from you, did not bring denyuzhku, it means, fuck ...
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 14 October 2013 13: 03 New
      +3
      It seems that they believed that immediately after the collapse of the Union, a golden rain would pour on them ...
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 15 October 2013 00: 01 New
      -1
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      I don’t understand what it is that "bothered" you? The fact that you have to pay money everywhere and the fact that you tries ... nobody needs in this state, except as "cash cows" for the bureaucracy and so-called. "entrants"? And who, in due time, enthusiastically destroyed the Soviet Union?

      People wanted to live better, but not for the sake of the present bl --- everything was done. The communists returned destroying in October 1993. our future, but not at all, is still sultry red ...
  33. rennim
    rennim 14 October 2013 11: 38 New
    +8
    While I will not voice them, but there was a firm conviction that my wife and I are solving the problems that, in theory, should be solved by the native state.


    As one famous MAN said, why do we need such a state if it is unable to fulfill what it was created in relation to its citizens.
    I am more and more convinced of this myself. Endless requisitions and an increase in taxes ... Reducing social programs. The poorest pensions in Europe. Why do I need such a country? This is my homeland. But this is not my country ...
    1. loisop
      loisop 14 October 2013 21: 53 New
      +2
      Wait for the wizard - he will bring the most-presamy correct country. For you. And it will also show movies for free.
  34. Amur
    Amur 14 October 2013 11: 39 New
    +8
    The education system has become a system of making money.

    Take, for example, the industry for the production and sale of textbooks, it is uncontrolled, both in terms of scientific content and in terms of educational function, since the main goal is different - once again write something new. Probably this is done in order to push through a new training program, write textbooks for it, sell them and make a profit.
    I am a teacher myself, and no pass from the ministry (which issues permits) will prove to me the feasibility of rewriting a textbook, and even more so an entire program in mathematics, probably physics can be rewritten every 5 years and then and only changing laboratory classes (taking into account new achievements in science and teaching aids).
    We were so stupefied that we swallowed a decrease in hours for mathematics, physics, while Russian was mistaken for
    axiom that the student must be determined. We have built a system designed to obtain primary knowledge and their further use in the preparation of highly specialized personnel for corporations.
    Appeal to minobrain.
    Remember the films: "Spring on the street across the river" and many others of that time, in them everywhere the desire to learn runs like a red thread. These were the people! These are our fathers and grandfathers, many are still alive, take their experience until all is lost.
    Maybe you will be remembered for that with a kind word, but not because you gave the school an opportunity to earn money!
  35. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2013 11: 43 New
    -1
    We are learning so far absolutely free, though we have to pay for meals, extra hours, pool and rhythm (dancing),

    Well, for the sake of truth, and under the Union they paid for it
    but the wise wife weightily explained to me that it was necessary to spend it anyway, otherwise, they would dash off such a characteristic for a kid that we would later learn with “difficult children” and not with his kindergarten friends

    Well, you first defeat your fear
    Now there are rumors (the same as several years ago about paid rhythm) that only 4 (!) Items will remain free, and without a history that is not included in this extensive list, certificates will not be issued. Something like this.
    Sorry, but this is already in no way, have you gathered all the gossip or in one? !!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 14 October 2013 13: 41 New
      -1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      I'm sorry, but this is already in no framework, have you gathered all the gossip or through one ?!

      This is not gossip. submitted a draft for discussion. I have friends in the Russian Federation - directors of a state gymnasium - in shock!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2013 13: 49 New
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        submitted a draft for discussion

        link please
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 14 October 2013 16: 49 New
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          link please


          http://netreforme.org/news/vnedrenie-platnogo-srednego-obrazov/
          Read everything very carefully to the end. What was discussed then is now being implemented without "noise".
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2013 17: 13 New
            +1
            I won’t even read, give a link to the bill, no, stop circulating gossip
  36. nod739
    nod739 14 October 2013 11: 54 New
    +2
    soon you will have to look for citizens for Russia somewhere on the side.
    Here's another thought not hewn. but disturbing sleep:
    we are told that there are about 11 million migrants at the office of migrants. according to unofficial figures, 2 times more (i.e., another 11 million are illegal)
    and they migrants are cheap slave force, yeah schaz !!!, housing prices look, I don’t see what they sell for cheap, mortgages are bondage for half their life
    I am absolutely sure that the difference in the unpaid salary of "cheap labor force" is taken by the organizers of the construction and the officials in charge of the construction. And we are told that migrants are needed, there will be no one to build.
    1. loisop
      loisop 14 October 2013 21: 59 New
      +1
      Hmm .. But recently, did you personally think that cheap migrant workers affect the price? belay
      At cost - yes, it does. Accordingly, the amount of profit. To the capitalist using this same labor force. What does the rest of the population have to do with it? It is not a capitalist.
      Mdya ..
  37. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 14 October 2013 12: 10 New
    +6
    Migrants are beneficial primarily to officials and entrepreneurs. For they do not require social payments and lower the level of wages and social benefits. norms for the local population. Power will always be on the side of migrants, because they are "cheaper" than the local population, and under capitalism only profit matters.
  38. grafrozow
    grafrozow 14 October 2013 12: 19 New
    +4
    Yes, our "guarantor" does not give a damn about all of us, he will preside and go to Germany. Why does he need smart people? It's easier to manage fools, so we will create mild conditions for Tajik migrants ...
  39. Idunavs
    Idunavs 14 October 2013 12: 22 New
    +2
    perfectly written, simple and everything is clear, it excites many.
  40. rexby63
    rexby63 14 October 2013 12: 43 New
    +5
    Well, textbooks and windows are solely an initiative of the school's teaching staff, led by the principal. At the parent meeting earlier this year, I also asked a question about textbooks and about windows. For the time being, I (in the sense of my son) was offered to move to another school in a polite manner, there textbooks and windows are free, but the rating of that school (I know myself), to put it mildly, is at the level of the plinth. And our current school in the rating of schools in the Russian Federation took 67th place, in the city 1st, last year the second, and the second before last. The teachers are great (they only love money), they teach beautifully. I was also popularly explained there that free textbooks are given only to those schools in which normal parents do not want to give their children. Here the city also attracts with such "nishtyak". While on a business trip to Ivanovo, I got into a conversation with my work colleagues there. One of them also sent his children to a specialized mathematical school. He claims that they have windows, dinners, and textbooks for FREE. It turns out that it’s not about Putin, but about our fellow countrymen, who have what they have - in Ivanovo education is led by adequate people, in Kostroma and the author of the article there are burnouts and scoundrels. It is impossible to judge the whole country as a whole. So we can agree to the point that it is easier to cure our homeland with a vigorous bomb, and this, in my opinion, is not gut. Now the next side of the matter is the teachers. Some of those gathered here may begin to argue that "they would pay a decent salary" and they would be "white and fluffy." Nonsense!!! If they raised up to a million teachers, they would receive nothing but inflation. For! because the professional level of today's teachers, according to one of the teachers of our "ped", does not quite correspond to "compliance", in other words, as the same teacher said: "Only 5% of today's teachers have the right to teach children. The rest ..." she hesitated and said: "Well, if we have weaving factories, we could go there."
    So, citizens. and you are Putin, Putin! I myself remember how after the army I walked with a trainee from our pedagogical institute (they sent to our school), so she asked me to solve a problem in physics. Me, stupid demobilization, and she studied at the physics and mathematics department. And it was, my dears, thirty years ago
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2013 12: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: rexby63
      It turns out the matter is not in Putin, but in our fellow countrymen

      the matter is in the parent, most are unhappy, snort in the "kitchen", but at the same time they are silent in schools, although the problem can be solved and the director can be put in his place and at school to study in the one he likes
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2013 12: 50 New
      0
      Quote: rexby63
      It turns out the matter is not in Putin, but in our fellow countrymen

      the matter is in the parent, most are unhappy, snort in the "kitchen", but at the same time they are silent in schools, although the problem can be solved and the director can be put in his place and at school to study in the one he likes
    3. Nayhas
      Nayhas 15 October 2013 00: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: rexby63
      "they would pay a decent salary" and they would be "white and fluffy." Nonsense!!! If they raised teachers to a million, they would receive nothing but inflation.

      I absolutely disagree. Salary is certainly not the only motivator, but one of the most important. A normal leader has a high performer’s salary, not for keeping a loafer, but to keep a hard worker and a high salary, he uses to create demand for a vacancy and then select who he needs. If your vacancy is not attractive to potential employees, then you will not have to choose, and those who you otherwise would never have hired would work for you.
      1. rexby63
        rexby63 17 October 2013 13: 29 New
        0
        You reason too straightforwardly, as if you were solving a problem: 2 + 2 = 4. The laws of human communication are much more complicated than far-fetched economic formulas
  41. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 14 October 2013 12: 46 New
    +3
    With the director of the school where my children go, we studied at the institute and maintained good relations. According to him, the schools are now in such a position that they themselves have nowhere to go especially and they have to turn around as they can in order to solve pressing problems, which they have a lot of.
    But in our city "pedulische", which in the current fashion has been renamed into a loud "College", they generally said that if the students do not hand over the set of detergents, then they will not see the certificate.
  42. Basarev
    Basarev 14 October 2013 13: 09 New
    +1
    But still, not everything is lost. Our fathers and grandfathers still remember the times when everything was different ...
  43. Taoist
    Taoist 14 October 2013 13: 12 New
    +4
    On the one hand, I understand the righteous anger of the author of the topic ... on the other hand, this is what you should seriously think about.

    I am personally a parent "with experience" - the eldest daughter is already married - she graduated from school with a gold medal, graduated from university (and a master's degree) - the most interesting thing is that for all the time of her studies, in general, I never paid anything ... time for victories not in the Olympiads received the "presidential grand" (about 50 tr.) ...

    The youngest is now in the 9th grade. And unfortunately the picture in their school is close to the one described above. At almost every parent meeting, the issue is not "how and what our children learn" but "how much we throw off" ... But here's what is interesting - in very many cases the initiative (at least in terms of the amount) proceeds so to speak "en masses" - from the parents themselves ... Moreover, there is a persistent feeling that the size of contributions is an unspoken competition ... who will shell out the coolest. A kind (but why kind) show-off.

    And no matter how sad it is, it has absolutely nothing to do with the activities of the government. This primarily relates to all of us and to the formed "value systems". We condemn corruption, but at the same time at the everyday level we do not just encourage it, but literally cultivate it. Many have a "bullet in the head" that if "you don't give" then you don't respect yourself ... This is a complex similar to what I see at the current weddings ... we walk on such a grand scale, we go into debt on ears as if the "happiness of our children" really depends on this ... And at the core of the banal "whatever is not worse than people" ... just what kind of people?
    We swell like a "frog in front of a bull" - trying to seem not what we are. Silly ... and sad. It seems that "consumerism" has become not even "modus vivendi" but the essence of our life.
    And in fact, my biggest complaint with the authorities is that this particular way of life is encouraged. But damn your own brains and opinions should be when you have and not demand that "the master came and judged."
    1. bddrus
      bddrus 15 October 2013 07: 35 New
      0
      How right you are, dear, how right!
      for me, a small but indicative example was when I was deprived of my driving license for overtaking, then what I heard in response to my story about this "misfortune" is correct - "Why didn't you agree on the spot?", "Didn't pay, so go on foot ". It is even more sad that I heard this 100% of the time.
  44. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 14 October 2013 13: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: hommer
    Education is now THEORETALLY FREE, medicine is similar to THEORETICAL. But in the end, theory does not converge with practice. Constantly growing tariffs, gasoline, food, clothing ...

    In a golden frame those words ...
    1. loisop
      loisop 14 October 2013 22: 27 New
      +1
      I remember the immortal:
      "Theoretically, this is, of course, a horse, but practically it falls like that, and it's a pity to watch, and not just to work" ©
  45. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 14 October 2013 13: 38 New
    -1
    Why worry about demography in the Russian Federation when such a fountain of human resources hits from Central Asia?
  46. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 14 October 2013 14: 34 New
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: Z.A.M.
    I NOW EVERYWHERE "TO Fight" FOR MY RIGHTS ???

    it always has been, and with the Union the same

    But it SHOULD NOT be
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2013 14: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: Bersaglieri
      But it SHOULD NOT be

      there is such a proverb - the child does not cry, the mother does not understand, but there is such a law - all strive to minimize energy, including the desire to work, the official always needs to add an impulse
  47. kaktus
    kaktus 14 October 2013 14: 52 New
    +5
    the parent meeting is like a sect: everyone listens carefully to the teacher, then silently hands over the money and thoughtfully disperses at dusk. (just a modern joke)
  48. nikcris
    nikcris 14 October 2013 16: 35 New
    +3
    I received secondary education in the USSR in the 70s. Every year, money was collected from each student for current repairs. No receipts. 5-6-7 rubles a year. Accordingly, gifts for teachers (classroom). In the university, in the 80s was not going to, but had to work a month on the repair. I do not see anything wrong with that. And if a crazy co-operation for no reason - do not pay. Business then.
    PS Father also gave gasoline coupons to school - we don’t believe it, in the 70s there was a school-and-a-half fellow DOUBLE, with round wings and all-wheel brakes!
  49. vkrav
    vkrav 14 October 2013 17: 25 New
    +7
    Long live free education for money! :(
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 14 October 2013 17: 49 New
      +4
      You haven’t tried to pass her off as your husband yet. Give it out, then we'll talk.
  50. bolonenkov
    bolonenkov 14 October 2013 17: 31 New
    +2
    Wellcome that market economy. Drive in the USA and see how it really looks, and rejoice that you live in the Russian Federation on all counts except roads
    1) Educated - everything is expensive to pay
    2) medicine - generally expensive
    3) Pensions - the state does not pay, and private sharazhki pay and the retirement age is by no means 55
    4) Salaries minus taxes mins insurance minus mortgage - there is nothing to rejoice about
    And so you can go further on the list
    The author needs to figure out what he wants socialism or a market economy, and it is impossible to sit on two chairs with one ass, especially with our requests, "there is a lot of everything and free, but I don't want to work ..."