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Putin and the "peak of the crisis behind." Three versions, why did he say that

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Putin and the "peak of the crisis behind." Three versions, why did he say thatPutin spoke about the global economy. And he did it at the APEC summit, which suggests that he was asked to do it. Explicitly or implicitly. Accordingly, it is fundamentally important not only what he said, but how that said can be used.


I ask you not to treat this text as a conspiracy. The fact is that the beginning crisis is not only objective, but also fundamentally subjective in nature - in the sense that it categorically demands that someone take responsibility for the events taking place. Whether this someone will be found guilty or, on the contrary, will become a hero - this is a second time. The main thing is that in any case, the public needs to present someone, someone, behind whose back real decisions will be made (or they will be made by themselves).

If we look at the role of Russia, we will see that in recent years it has been in the shadow (even from G8 it was virtually excluded), and even in a somewhat humble position. The situation has not changed, just look at the policy towards Ukraine, Russia's interests in the world, or, say, stories with a Russian diplomat in the Netherlands. Well, for example: imagine that you would beat and took to the station the acting ambassador of Great Britain or the USA in the Netherlands, and with his children! What would rise! And we, apparently, once again swallowed.

By the way, we ourselves, in general, agree regularly to the recognition of our status as a "banana republic." Well, in fact: can a country that is serious about its status agree to the adoption of a law, the text of which does not exist in the state language? But this is exactly how the document on our accession to the WTO was ratified - there were no rules for this very entry in Russian. I don’t even know if there is such a text now and how adequate and variable it is (after all, this text is not approved by law).

You can still recall Putin's conversation with Merkel, in which he scolded the idea of ​​saving banks at the expense of depositors' money. A few weeks after that, his own finance minister happily signed the final document G20, which reaffirmed Merkel's concept, and Putin himself, respectively, was refuted ... Yes, and many such stories, even too much.

And in this situation, we see Putin getting to the forefront of world politics. He is actively advertised by Western media outlets, including even openly Russophobic ones, he is led out to the main “peacekeepers” (even it is a pity that he is not Alexander), they begin to ask him about various topics that, in general, are not within his professional knowledge. . Including about the economy.

The question is, why?

I have no exact answer. But there are several hypotheses.

The first. Some in the world do not like that Russia can remain out of the sharp conflict that may occur in the Middle East. At the same time, its gain is obvious: a rise in oil prices and an increase in the dependence of the world economy on Russian oil supplies, which means that we need to ensure a loss. Accordingly, Putin needs to be dragged to the political foreground, to make him become one of the main actors, to drag Russian troops into Syria — and then, after they become a victim of provocation, to make Russia a real participant in the war.

At the same time, the same world mass media, which were silent about the WTO and the Russian diplomat, will constantly argue - well, Vladimir Vladimirovich, you are a world leader, it’s unbearable for you to watch Russian soldiers being killed. Well, and so on ... And then add: look, one more effort, peace will be provided, you can get the Nobel Prize ... And the economic crisis will stop, just like you said ... If you carry out such an operation competently, it may well go.

The second hypothesis. It consists in the fact that a new round of crisis will begin soon, but it is impossible to say this out loud. In addition, it is desirable that everyone thinks that it will not start - until the critical moment arrives. They no longer have their faith - both Obama and the European leaders have lied so much that no one believes their words. And then Putin’s just advertised appears, who says that although there will still be difficulties, the peak has already been passed. Everyone is happy, they begin to spend money, and then it all begins ... The hypothesis looks somewhat pretentious, but we recall that our leaders very often said “no, this cannot be” before the very beginning of various kinds of crisis processes. Too often for this to be an accident.

There is a third hypothesis. Our "liberals" so often repeated "everything is fine, beautiful marquise", "everything is under control", "there are some problems, but we know how to cope with them" and so on and so forth (the lack of added taste) that Putin - imbued with. He was used to believing pleasant people (although the “liberals” only “threw” him many times in the last six months), and he repeated what he was used to ... And it’s not very interesting to him how it will be used by someone.

... In general, it turned out what happened. Clearly, no “peak of crisis” has been passed, it hasn’t started yet, by and large. Structural discrepancies between household expenditures and their real disposable incomes have been and still are. Debts have not resolved. Unemployment is growing and growing. And the crisis, of course, will only intensify, that we have, that beyond our limits. However, we now come to an extremely dangerous point.

The fact is that the improvement of the world situation (for which Putin is advocating) will inevitably lead to a fall in world prices for oil and gas. And because “military premium” leaves the price, and because Iran enters the world market, from which sanctions will be lifted, and because the reduction in demand (which will continue anyway) will lead to a decrease in the volume of oil sold ... oil is the ruble exchange rate.

In other words, the ruble will show a clear downward trend.

And then what will our banks and corporations, which in the absence of ruble crediting have gained foreign currency debts, will do? Will it be problematic to return them? Such a problem 1998 year turns out ... And I have a suspicion that the case is already nearing a critical point. Since believing that our “liberals” (yes, what’s really there, they will write honestly, liberals) can, of good will, confess to Putin that an economic downturn has begun, I can’t, in theory they were supposed to stimulate the economy and budget revenues continue to devalue the ruble. And, having started cheerfully, at some moment they stopped doing it, and instead announced a sequestration of the budget. What Putin confessed to the real state of affairs.

According to various experts, for more or less real economic stimulation, the ruble would have to devalue interest on 40 (that is, to 42-43 per dollar), and the government stopped at 15% (that is, 35 rubles per dollar). One wonders the question - maybe this is the critical point beyond which massive bankruptcies of dollar debtors begin? And what will happen to them if the ruble begins to fall ...

In general, if Putin needs peace, then liberals need war. And it is possible that they act on a couple with those who are drawing Russia into the Middle Eastern war. However, we have already got far, so the main conclusion from the text needs to be repeated: there is no reason to improve the economic situation, the crisis will continue.
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  1. domokl
    domokl 10 October 2013 17: 45 New
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    Clever ... It also seems to me that the crisis has simply lurked. More precisely, we are hiding it from the last forces. If we take into account the current situation around Russia, it turns out that we now have to spend several times more and not at all to improve the life of the people.
    I immediately remembered Medvedev's article ... The one we ridiculed so. Maybe there was something in it? I looked through official documents and it turned out that there was no intelligible answer to my questions ...
    1. experienced
      experienced 10 October 2013 18: 06 New
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      According to various experts, in order to more or less real stimulate the economy, the ruble would have to devalue by 40 percent (that is, to the level of 42-43 per dollar), and the government stopped at 15% (that is, 35 rubles per dollar)

      I am always touched by such "games" with the ruble to dollar exchange rate of 10 rubles. in + or 10 in "-". Prior to that, they stubbornly insisted that the market would put everything in its place itself and the process would be regulated exclusively by demand ... Fig with two, they play the course as they want, replenishing the pockets of those "involved in the process," gas, timber and so on, and it is absolutely not beneficial to the population.
      How many people got heart disease at these games from those who took a mortgage or other credit in foreign currency?
      In short, there are "rabbits" (people) and those who breed them and the process of this breeding is eternal. Putin is on the side of those who breed "rabbits" hi
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 10 October 2013 21: 08 New
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        Quote: seasoned
        According to various experts, in order to more or less real stimulate the economy, the ruble would have to devalue by 40 percent (that is, to the level of 42-43 per dollar), and the government stopped at 15% (that is, 35 rubles per dollar)

        I am always touched by such "games" with the ruble to dollar exchange rate of 10 rubles. v + or 10 v


        I don’t ... today I have 100 rubles, and tomorrow 50 rubles and 50 candy wrappers ...
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 12 October 2013 10: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Geisenberg
          I don’t ... today I have 100 rubles, and tomorrow 50 rubles and 50 candy wrappers ...

          Well not so. Today, for 100 rubles you can buy 5 rolls of bread or 2 kg of Ariel powder, and tomorrow 4,5 rolls of bread or 1 kg of Ariel powder. But bread is still not very convenient to wash.
      2. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 10 October 2013 21: 16 New
        +1
        I don’t know what you’ve been to, BUT IN THE ECONOMY EXACTLY NO.
        1. experienced
          experienced 10 October 2013 21: 50 New
          +8
          Quote: INVESTOR
          I don’t know what you’ve been to, BUT IN THE ECONOMY EXACTLY NO.

          I do not pretend to a degree in economics, but let's look at:
          Here I wrote:
          a low ruble exchange rate is beneficial to those who sell oil, gas, timber, etc. for currency and are completely not beneficial to the population.

          Your phrase:
          Quote: INVESTOR
          THE REDUCED COURSE OF THE NATIONAL CURRENCY GIVES PREFERENCES TO OUR EXPORTERS


          Well?
          By the way, it is bad form to write comments with KapsLok enabled ... Classics: "If you want to be listened to, speak softly"
          To discuss what, who puts it to whom, is generally rotten, it's like counting money in someone else's pockets. Do not like the comment put a minus, but do not blame others.
          PS If you don't know the meaning of the word, then you'd better not use it, I'm talking about "populists", otherwise you look funny hi
          1. INVESTOR
            INVESTOR 10 October 2013 23: 16 New
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            WHY HERE A CAPSLOCK? SMYSH DOES NOT CHANGE. WAR WAR AND ECONOMY ECONOMY, A LOW COURSE OF OUR CURRENCY OPPORTUNITIES TO SELL OUR PRODUCTS MORE AND CHEAPER FOR THE FOREST, THERE IS LOCAL FOR THESE WORKS. DO YOURSELF - COMMENT POSTS. IN THE ECONOMY DO NOT CLIMB. WITHOUT YOU WITNESSES.
            1. Realist58
              Realist58 11 October 2013 00: 27 New
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              Dear one, you are not just zero in the economy, you are with the MINUS sign.
              How many of our products are bought depends on the ruble exchange rate. (they are bought for dollars).
              The competitiveness of local commodity producers depends on the ruble exchange rate (in theory).
              Only this in THEORY, in practice, with a loan interest of 15–20 for us and 2-3 for them, only a really sick person can talk about some kind of competitiveness.
              Therefore, it turns out that the only beneficiary of the high ruble exchange rate is the raw oligarchy.
              I’m sure you’ll remember about our military-industrial complex, but this is not the case. Because they (in contrast to the oligarchy) are credited with us, under the thieves% of local ..... (the name of the nationality, which is prohibited by the decree of Lenin from 1918.).
              1. INVESTOR
                INVESTOR 17 January 2014 21: 40 New
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                You are the village sir)))
            2. Uhe
              Uhe 11 October 2013 01: 22 New
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              Tell this to ordinary people who buy food in stores, among which imports are 80%;)

              It is necessary to ban such "INVESTORS" - except for the screams "only mountains are steeper than me" there is zero sense from them.
              1. Realist58
                Realist58 11 October 2013 01: 58 New
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                I’m just an ordinary person buying products in a store.
                In addition to fruits, vegetables (during off-season) and possibly imported meat in extremely rarely bought sausages, etc. we have everything our own, local.
                The last time and when in which Russian store did you buy a deal?
                1. IGS
                  IGS 11 October 2013 04: 09 New
                  +3
                  What are you buying? And in this there is a very large import component (raw materials, equipment, components). So you mentioned sausage and remembered meat, but for some reason you forgot about the equipment on which it
                  it is produced (there is almost no domestic food equipment), the price of which is quite high, and for which a loan was taken in dollars, and payments on it are included in the cost of the final product. If you bought domestic seeds in a bag, then the cost of the seeds themselves there is about 20 percent, or even less. This applies to everything: butter, milk, kefir, etc. Repair of industrial premises is also carried out with imported materials. That's it ...
                  1. Realist58
                    Realist58 11 October 2013 11: 21 New
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                    Well, let's all the same divide food and high-tech equipment, packaging, etc.
                    The lack of FOOD, and the lack of production of high-tech equipment for its industrial production, THIS IS ALL SUCH ARE VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.
                    So I buy draft milk, weighted butter, etc.,
                    Gazelle, stainless steel tank Russian, my biton of the USSR, Russian paper. Perhaps milking machines are imported (I’ll ask for a joke).
                    Even if the manufacturer cannot buy a modern milking complex, milk WILL NOT DROP.
                    1. IGS
                      IGS 11 October 2013 12: 08 New
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                      The milk will disappear from this, about six hours twelve. In order for it to reach the consumer, it must be processed and stored. And also compound feed and additives for livestock, which if they are produced here, then again on imported equipment. Or it is necessary to change not only the structure of production (or rather, rebuild the entire economy and production capacity), but also the system. So that right away, directly "from Baba Nyura" with a Soviet can, home and money directly, bypassing intermediaries, though what about those who live in the city. The car may be made of our iron and steel, but not by Uncle Vanya, who cuts out every detail with scissors for metal, and painting materials, without which it will turn into dust a little earlier than usual, but not much winked And discussing the change of order, we will fall under the article smile.
                  2. riding
                    riding 11 October 2013 14: 12 New
                    +1
                    That's right: in Russian sausages, imported meat with who knows what additives; imported flour with GMO additives in Russian bread. The import of products in cities reaches 75-80%. Therefore, it is so touching to read the concept of "Food Security" signed by Medvedev. 30% of imports in food are considered a very dangerous situation for the country.
                  3. Gluxar_
                    Gluxar_ 12 October 2013 10: 45 New
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                    Quote: IGS
                    What are you buying? And in this there is a very large import component (raw materials, equipment, components). So you mentioned sausage and remembered meat, but for some reason you forgot about the equipment on which it is produced (there is no domestic food equipment, or almost none), the price of which is quite high, and for which you took a loan in dollars, and payments on it are included in cost of the final product. If you bought domestic seeds in a bag, then the cost of the seeds themselves there is about 20 percent, or even less. This applies to everything: butter, milk, kefir, etc. Repair of industrial premises is also carried out with imported materials. That's it ...

                    The cost of depreciation of equipment in the final product does not exceed 1% of the value of the goods.
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              2. Gluxar_
                Gluxar_ 12 October 2013 10: 39 New
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                Quote: Uhe
                Tell this to ordinary people who buy groceries in stores, among which imports are 80%;) Banning such "INVESTORS" is necessary - except for the screams "only mountains are cooler than me" there is zero sense from them.

                80% never happened, now somewhere around 20%. And mainly in the premium segment. The main western brands of products localized their production within the country.
                Import is mainly cars and part of household appliances, mainly in luxury. Most consumer goods are produced in Russia, so there should be no serious inflationary effect. However, there is one BUT. Namely, the fact that many large companies are credited in the West and in foreign currency, respectively, to compensate for their losses, they will raise prices.
          2. rolik
            rolik 10 October 2013 23: 16 New
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            Quote: seasoned
            Here I wrote:


            Quote: seasoned
            Your phrase:

            Do not pay attention. Sometimes smartly and confusedly spoken words hide a complete profanity, and illiteracy in the issue under discussion)))))
            In our country there are a lot of INVESTORS, MANAGERS, KOEKAKERS, well, here one also ran into the light. Apparently he decided to invest in ISKCON in our incorrectly EXPRESSED team))))))
      3. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 10 October 2013 21: 21 New
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        A REDUCED NATIONAL CURRENCY RATE GIVES PREFERENCES TO OUR EXPORTERS. And the POPULISTS PRESENTED YOU. MAYBE YOU IN A MILITARY PLAN THAT CONSIDER. BUT IN ECONOMY DO NOT climb. THIS IS HOW TO GIVE A MILITARY PERSON STEERING ACTS ON THE EXCHANGE. RESULT Predict.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 10 October 2013 21: 26 New
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          And also this leads to a rise in the cost of imports and the impoverishment of the population)
          1. INVESTOR
            INVESTOR 10 October 2013 23: 00 New
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            ALSO TO IMPORT SUBSTITUTION DEAR. DO NOT WRITE ABOUT WHAT DO NOT SPARE.
            1. BBM
              BBM 11 October 2013 05: 45 New
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              Hugo, everything took into a friend and the import itself has been replaced. by magic, econorast wand like a hazin. how to replace the same meat for this you need at least 5 years to invest in the village. And not just investing, you need to find hundreds of thousands of workers across the country. The same is true with the production of everything and everything. You just need crazy money for a new industrialization, and most importantly, there is plenty of time and working hands - and this is just not there.
        2. Nick
          Nick 10 October 2013 21: 55 New
          +4
          Quote: INVESTOR
          THE REDUCED COURSE OF THE NATIONAL CURRENCY GIVES PREFERENCES TO OUR EXPORTERS

          Right! But! It motivates business to raise the technological level, improve business processes, and ensure the growth of labor productivity. Which is long disadvantageous for Russia, since it inhibits the development of technology in the economy and the modernization of its productive forces ...
          1. INVESTOR
            INVESTOR 10 October 2013 23: 08 New
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            YOU'RE NOT RIGHT. YOUR APPROVAL OF SIMILARITY TO THE ECONOMIC THEORIES BORN ON THE STORE AT THE ACCESS FOR A BOTTLE OF BEER .. ANY COMMERCE UNDERSTANDS (EXCEPT AVTOVAZ) WHAT IT WILL NOT BE EATED WITHOUT DEVELOPMENT OF BUSINESS.
            1. Realist58
              Realist58 11 October 2013 00: 37 New
              +5
              Honey, are you ballroom? Or did Gaidar make you a finger ???
              What business development ??? Oil spill ??
              What is the development, under the guise of fuel oil, to sell oil to the left?
              If you develop your own business, you will find out how quickly they eat.
              1. Nick
                Nick 11 October 2013 22: 32 New
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                Quote: Realist58
                Honey, are you ballroom? Or did Gaidar make you a finger ???
                What business development ??? Oil spill ??
                What is the development, under the guise of fuel oil, to sell oil to the left?

                Demagogically expound and very rude. Where, dear, have you been taught courtesy?
          2. Realist58
            Realist58 11 October 2013 00: 33 New
            +2
            The main demotivator is the lack of economic need for innovations. So far, their entire margin depends solely on the external environment, and their friends set taxes on the taxes, to talk about the need to raise the technical level (in other words, reduce the cost) senselessly.
        3. Realist58
          Realist58 11 October 2013 00: 29 New
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          And what are they talking about ... learn how to read a hamster.
        4. IGS
          IGS 11 October 2013 04: 25 New
          +3
          This allows exporters to pay less and, therefore, reduce the cost of the final product, so that it is fair to make a profit at the expense of "us", and not those who export. In theory, this should increase competitiveness, turnover, profits, and hence the income of those who work in production. THIS DOES NOT WORK. MONEY DOESN'T COME TO THE END OF THE CHAIN ​​AND WILL NEVER WILL. OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE AN ETERNAL ENGINE. WHO'S IN THE COURSE IS THE ONE TO UNDERSTAND. Example China. Ordinary workers live on a pittance, although China is the largest importer of finished goods. In our country, where the ownership of the means of production is concentrated in a small number of people, your theses will bring impoverishment to the bulk of people. There are three subjects: the Buyer, the Owner of the means of production and the Worker, who is paid by the owner of the joint venture. Where does the profit come from, if the Buyer pays less, the Owner gets more profit ... only the Worker remains. Nothing comes out of nowhere. Therefore, we have come to a crisis, caused, first of all, by consumer loans issued to the same worker. It turns out that the money to the end of the chain (to the Worker) reaches partly in the form of loans, on which interest is wound up, for which there is no money to pay. NOT IN NATURE. sorry for some confusion.
      4. v.lyamkin
        v.lyamkin 11 October 2013 10: 05 New
        0
        As the French brothers say: se la vi.
      5. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 12 October 2013 10: 33 New
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        Quote: seasoned
        I am always touched by such "games" with the ruble to dollar exchange rate of 10 rubles. in + or 10 in "-". Prior to that, they stubbornly insisted that the market would put everything in its place itself and the process would be regulated exclusively by demand ... Well, they play the course as they want, replenishing the pockets of those "involved in the process," gas, timber and so on and absolutely not beneficial to the population. How many people got heart disease at these games from those who took out a mortgage or other loan in foreign currency? In short, there are "rabbits" (people) and those who breed them and the process of this breeding is eternal. Putin is on the side of those who breed "rabbits"

        No market has ever existed, even in any provincial town, all traders hold the same price. You can bargain, but only within a certain corridor.
        As for the economic effect, the depreciation of the national currency (which is not a reserve) is always beneficial to the state, and in the future, to the population. Not only to raw materials producers, and not even so much. With expensive imports, it is always more profitable to carry out import substitution.
        However, short-term inflationary losses are always negative for the population.
    2. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 10 October 2013 18: 26 New
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      Quote: domokl
      I immediately remembered Medvedev's article ...

      After the speech of the oracle and neoliberalist Mr. MEDVEDEV in Sochi, our President can only do this, allegorically, to disavow the cry of our prime minister - "SAVE WHO CAN AND SUCCESS! UNDER MY LEADERSHIP THE ECONOMY FULLY FILLED!" Without calming business and manufacturers, one could expect a very, very bad reaction, which would have crippled our weak economy ...
      1. Rink
        Rink 10 October 2013 18: 56 New
        +1
        Little article - fortune telling on sour coffee grounds.
        Not just a search for reasons, but targeted searches for the bad: maybe like this, or maybe like this, then it's even worse ... They also start with a powerful message, with the assumption "I think he was asked to say this." (And then Putin is not able to figure out what to say to him?).

        I put a minus, because this "Choice of Catastrophes", besides being far-fetched, also carries a clear negative message. The fact that as many as three "options" are proposed helps the reader to become convinced that the President simply could not have had good motives. "There are only three bad ones, period!"

        As for me, it's better to go to listen to a fortuneteller than to read such "analytics".
        1. Xroft
          Xroft 10 October 2013 19: 05 New
          +6
          Well, in the end, the deeper into the forest, the more chips. The fact is that the global economy has problems? the fact that even in the USA there are disruptions in payments? The fact that the well-being of the United States = the well-being of the global monetary system?
          here you don’t have to be an analyst to understand what will be worse later and given the lack of real socialists in power, ordinary people don’t care. Here there is a struggle of financial elites, the question of who will win and who will be on the side of our government can possibly be sold to our lackeys.
        2. Andrey57
          Andrey57 10 October 2013 20: 31 New
          +4
          Dear "Skating rink", before expressing such judgments, maybe you should first read the works of Mikhail Khazin and Oleg Grigoriev, what is now happening in the world economy, they thoroughly described in their book on theory, published in 2003, it seems the present world crisis. So far, there are no deviations from this theory in the least. The problem with GDP is that it has surrounded itself with liberals from economics, and not with normal economists, whom it does not "hear". Except for Grigoriev and Khazin, nobody in the world has yet been able to intelligibly explain the reasons for this structural crisis. hi
        3. Realist58
          Realist58 11 October 2013 00: 38 New
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          I would like to hear your version of good options.
    3. old rocket man
      old rocket man 10 October 2013 19: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: domokl
      I looked through official documents and it turned out that there was no intelligible answer to my questions ...


      Ha, no one has answers to these questions. Even with me laughing , but I can say one thing, I trust Khazin less than anyone else. But let him answer the question: "What should Russia do with Holland, besides what it did? Declare war?"
      Liberasts just to mud their own country.
      Send them to FIG to the beloved west of all. am
      1. Realist58
        Realist58 11 October 2013 00: 42 New
        +3
        Well, they have already done a petty dirty trick; they found the drug at the Grinsosovites.
        And by and large, to find anthrax spores in their tulips, and all their imports for quarantine.
        There you don’t have it with us; there, their farmers are dismissing their president for such arch.
        1. BBM
          BBM 11 October 2013 06: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: Realist58
          Well, they have already done a petty dirty trick; they found the drug at the Grinsosovites.

          it's all bullshit - this will be a hangover. http://top.rbc.ru/politics/11/10/2013/881664.shtml
          The UN Security Council refused a resolution on the destruction of Syrian chemical weapons. This is what I understand Boy. He gave his word and why keep it in the warehouse - and took it back. Chemistry of cockroaches does not hurt Assad. Given the current troubles of the Americans, it’s most likely a ride at home. although Holland is a damn thing, and the khazin is just a cheap clown. By the way, for the Russian Federation and China, in the event of a refusal from the dollar, the crisis really is behind us, cheap energy resources in exchange for cheap goods and industry. equipment and send bloodsuckers from America to the forest. Let the candy wrappers shove any Papuans. Although this is also a problem - the Papuans are already pushing Chinese candy wrappers with might and main. But I think this is not a problem :)
      2. abdrah
        abdrah 11 October 2013 03: 01 New
        +5
        I’ll earn even more negativity on our website, but my IMHO is such that a friend with a surname like Khazin + the biblical appearance says everything is correct, but not the fact that it is about what we need, and whether it is necessary for him to say something that we don’t see or just guess, he says the obvious, what has already happened is voiced by the CAPTAIN HIS NAME. That would be our brother, give him a podium. I now feel the devaluation of money (Belarus) for a couple of months — they begin to refuse to grant loans for a long period at a small percentage, they are curtailing the State Housing Construction Programs for the population, they are increasing the lending percentage for short loans, etc.
        1. BBM
          BBM 11 October 2013 16: 01 New
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          100%. In general, the concept of cheap ruble expensive ruble - this is wild nonsense. Only goods and services can be expensive or cheap, and money only has the universal equivalent to reflect fair value (in theory, although this is not always the case in our world). In the West, the concept of cheap money, cheap dollar means just the loan interest - the lower the cheaper.
          Well, I can understand the majority of people who just don’t whip about it and flog about frank nonsense about import-export. But the khazin is a professional economist by education - for him it’s like the basics. That is, we have another frank thimble.
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 10 October 2013 19: 11 New
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      Quote: domokl
      I immediately remembered Medvedev's article ...

      That yes
      A well-known lover of iPhones, iPads and other fashionable gadgets, said that we all need to prepare for difficult times, for a possible job change, moving to other regions, and people need to learn how to change not only their place of work, but also their profession and place of residence.

      I have a farewell --- let him start with himself and Chukotka

      Quote: domokl
      Putin "the peak of the crisis is behind."


      Correctly says, they have a crisis behind them, they got an 100 dollar bill, each one costs 14 cents, they already paid 100 million dollars to print new paper for our oil
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 10 October 2013 19: 25 New
        +8
        "the well-known lover of iPhones, iPads and other fashionable gadgets, said that we all need to prepare for difficult times, for a possible change of place of work, moving to other regions"

        Putin: "Constantly maintaining archaic jobs is a road to nowhere. In fact, neither the state, nor workers are interested in this."
      2. alone
        alone 10 October 2013 19: 26 New
        +1
        the whole world economy is now not having the best days. If the Americans default, everyone will suffer from it, without exception, everything. From A to Z.

        GDP is certainly not an economist. if he just said that "the peak of the crisis has passed," I think that this cannot be. such as GDP just do not say anything. and if this was said based on economic advisers, then I would like to know who this great "economist" is.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 10 October 2013 19: 36 New
          20
          "people like VVP won't just say anything."

          2000 (February)
          Putin: We need a consistent, tough, persistent and principled fight against corruption

          (March)
          We will work hard and persistently to fight corruption, Putin promised

          2001
          Putin: We will firmly fight corruption

          2002

          Putin: An important task is the suppression of irresponsibility, abuse of power and especially corruption, especially when it comes to the judiciary

          2003
          We still have a lot to do to get rid of corruption - Putin
          [By the way, it was in 2003 that a seasoned anti-corruption fighter led through the State Duma and signed a law according to which such a criminal law measure as confiscation of property was excluded from the Criminal Code].

          2004
          Putin: We need accurate and realistic measures in the fight against manifestations of corruption, hype and campaigning in this area are absolutely not needed

          2005
          We will strengthen both the effectiveness of the state and the work of law enforcement agencies, which are called upon to fight corruption in practice, in practical life - Putin

          2006 (May)
          Putin noted that the level of corruption in Russia is unacceptably high, we must fight it

          (November)
          The fight against corruption in the law enforcement system and in the justice system should become more effective - Putin

          (December)
          Putin called for reliable protection of the economic space of the Far East from the pressure of organized crime and corruption

          2007
          The business climate in the country should be reliably protected from corruption and economic crimes, Putin is sure

          2008
          Putin: you need to identify any attempts to cash in at the expense of the state

          2009
          There are results in the fight against corruption, efficiency will increase - Putin

          2010
          Putin promised to severely punish unscrupulous officials for bribes and eliminate the very possibility of corruption

          2011 (April)
          Putin proposed to fight corruption

          (December)
          We will fight corruption in a consistent, persistent and tough manner, campaigning is unacceptable here - Putin
          [By the way, compare the December promise of 2011 with the promise of 2004 - and find three differences]

          2012
          Well, and for dessert - a quote from the election program of presidential candidate Putin:
          Real mechanisms of public control over the activities of the authorities in the areas most dangerous in terms of manifestations of corruption will be created.

          A lot can be said about how the GDP "does not throw words to the wind")
          1. Arabist
            Arabist 10 October 2013 19: 38 New
            0
            Tell me the country where corruption has been defeated.
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 10 October 2013 19: 43 New
              +7
              In Greece, a court sentenced former defense minister Akis Tsohatzopoulos to 20 years in prison. He was found guilty of participating in corruption schemes, according to Agence France-Presse (AFP). The family of a corrupt official was also sent to jail.

              Together with the ex-Minister of Defense of Greece, 16 more people were found guilty in the same case, including his wife and daughter, who received 12 years in prison, as well as their ex-wife and cousin, who received 6 years in custody.
              Doesn’t resemble anything? Just the opposite
              1. Arabist
                Arabist 10 October 2013 19: 45 New
                -4
                And in Greece, probably now there is no corruption? In China, they generally shoot but she is.
                1. New Russia
                  New Russia 10 October 2013 19: 50 New
                  14
                  But in China, recently, Bo Xi Lai was sentenced, the most popular person in the country, for corruption. And we all know that the ministers themselves are stealing and there are no landings ....
                  1. Arabist
                    Arabist 10 October 2013 19: 53 New
                    -10 qualifying.
                    And how did it help? Do not make me laugh. Wait for your revolution, which will not be, the collapse of which will not wait. laughing
                    1. New Russia
                      New Russia 10 October 2013 20: 00 New
                      +7
                      The official said, considering the stolen goods) You said so as if you didn’t know the mood associated with corruption and migration) And you don’t have to wait for the official statistics on the state of the housing and communal services, for example, look) Although you can explain it. In a year, if you will still be on this site we will see who was right
                      1. Arabist
                        Arabist 10 October 2013 20: 04 New
                        -11 qualifying.
                        Of course I will be right. And you, as always, are in a puddle. You lie almost all the time. And I'm not an official. None of my friends from law enforcement agencies share your beliefs and who will support you? Army? Police? Thanks, laughed. Wait.
                      2. New Russia
                        New Russia 10 October 2013 20: 10 New
                        +5
                        Where am I lying? Can you show a concrete example?) The army is people and the cops are the cops of course they are for power.
                      3. Arabist
                        Arabist 10 October 2013 20: 16 New
                        0
                        Yes, at least the fact that there are no hospitals, work, battalions West and East, New Zealand is part of the United States, all cars are older than 25 years. Offhand. Continue? And how many times did the police (now the police) give their lives for you? Reading you, I don't think you were worth it. And how many crimes were uncovered, huh? Did you catch the killers? Every day they paint with their lives doing their duty. And are you worth it with such an attitude towards them?
                      4. New Russia
                        New Russia 10 October 2013 20: 21 New
                        +6
                        "At least that there are no hospitals, jobs, battalions West and East, New Zealand is part of the United States, all the cars are over 25 years old."

                        You have identified errors, but you know very well that I have not been mistaken many times. I spoke New Zealand a part of the West and the western legal cultural field.

                        "They paint every day with their lives doing their duty. Are you worth it with such an attitude towards them?"

                        Not everyone risks their lives and protects us from killers, very far from all.
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                      6. Arabist
                        Arabist 10 October 2013 20: 23 New
                        0
                        Do you (teachers) teach all the children well? You make too many mistakes (and as you can often see it on purpose) and your spelling is lame. What is your subject?
                      7. New Russia
                        New Russia 10 October 2013 20: 31 New
                        +3
                        "(and as you can see often intentionally)" You are wrong.
                        "What subject are you in charge?" The primary school teacher teaches most of their subjects.
                        "Do you (teachers) teach all children well?" Nobody dies from how I teach.
                      8. Arabist
                        Arabist 10 October 2013 20: 31 New
                        -3
                        Well, they would die.
                      9. experienced
                        experienced 10 October 2013 20: 43 New
                        +5
                        Quote: New Russia
                        New Russia

                        и
                        Quote: Arabist
                        Arabist


                        To clarify the relationship there is a PM hi
                        Do not stand behind ... the topic for their showdowns, they are of little interest to anyone, because they are mostly personal in nature ...
                      10. New Russia
                        New Russia 10 October 2013 20: 50 New
                        +1
                        In this dispute, it is impossible to win because of the conviction of both in the right, so in a personal inconclusive and uninteresting ahaha)
                      11. experienced
                        experienced 10 October 2013 20: 57 New
                        +6
                        Quote: New Russia
                        In this dispute, it is impossible to win because of the conviction of both in the right, so in a personal inconclusive and uninteresting ahaha)


                        Arabist, in general, in my opinion, gets a buzz "getting to the bottom" of someone. He digs to the smallest detail and harasses with raving ... For example, I don't even want to argue with him, following the rule: (beginning deleted by censorship) recourse ........... You will sink to his level and he will crush you with his experience. " wink
                        Sometimes it's better to move
              2. Realist58
                Realist58 11 October 2013 00: 57 New
                +6
                My wife is a teacher. He gets up at 6, go to bed at 12-01.
                He teaches perfectly, many medalists, and just raised good people.
                Wherever you go, those whom she let out 20 years ago (with joy and love) will definitely come and greet her.
          2. Snipe 74
            Snipe 74 10 October 2013 20: 53 New
            10
            And to whom in our country have they received a decent salary? Who is given an apartment? Only to the military and cops. I think it is not appropriate to shout at every corner that cops are risking their lives. Ordinary citizens also run the risk of facing police corruption every day. It’s good if only money will be divorced, but if health is damaged or substituted and "closed". The high-voltage electrician also risks his life every day, and industrial climbers and I have never heard that they flaunt this. And the cops have this trump card.
          3. Realist58
            Realist58 11 October 2013 00: 54 New
            +7
            Somewhere someone is risking their life, but in MY real situations, there was NEVER any help from the police. (although I’m lying ... the district police officer helped)
            Well, if of course you call a risk to life a catch (for a stick) of the drunkenly drunken scattered ... then yes))
      3. old man54
        old man54 10 October 2013 22: 10 New
        +9
        Quote: Arabist
        Of course I will be right.

        excessive and unreasonable self-confidence is the lot of fools and idiots! hi
        Quote: Arabist
        And I'm not an official. None of my law enforcement acquaintances share your beliefs

        Well, of course, these are your friends, why should I say that? Tell me who your friend is and I will say who you are - you gear slowly, in the wings, the liberals of today! wink
        Quote: Arabist
        and who will support you? Army? Police? Thanks, laughed. Wait.

        The people will support him, a normal one, which is not brainwashed, a normal Russian people, Slavs! Then laugh. And about the army, you tell Kvachkova with Khabarov when they come out of the torture chamber of Putin’s torture, then laugh! fellow angry
    5. Genur
      Genur 10 October 2013 23: 25 New
      +6
      To expect from Zhulikov, Kaznokradom, Khapug (Housing and Public Utilities), so that they work for the population - utopia
  2. Realist58
    Realist58 11 October 2013 00: 49 New
    -1
    Only they can wish revolution.
    For me there is only one way - evolutionary development.
  • kostya_a
    kostya_a 10 October 2013 22: 26 New
    +3
    People like Bo Xilai just don't sit down. All this is interconnected. Syria, Default probable in the USA, arrest of Bo Xilai, etc.
  • Realist58
    Realist58 11 October 2013 00: 48 New
    +7
    The point is not the presence of corruption, but the lack of an adequate and inevitable punishment for the theft of state property and treason.
    Try not to give the loan back to the bank ... understand the difference negative
    1. both s69
      both s69 11 October 2013 02: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Realist58
      Try not to give the loan back to the bank ... understand the difference

      Very true noticed! hi
  • Normal
    Normal 10 October 2013 21: 02 New
    10
    Quote: Arabist
    Tell me the country where corruption has been defeated.


    And you tell me the country where so consistently fight corruption for such a long time and with the opposite result.
    1. abdrah
      abdrah 11 October 2013 04: 07 New
      +1
      As the recent cultural adviser sang (I don’t remember exactly his position) R-R-RA S-S-SEYA, my R-SACE, from the Volga to the Yenissey ..
      To return those times when they sang
      I do not know another such country,
      Where man breathes so freely!
      P.S. Scattering is what kind of geographic formation, within the boundaries of Rastorguev, moreover?
  • optimist
    optimist 10 October 2013 21: 28 New
    +6
    Quote: Arabist
    Tell me the country where corruption has been defeated.

    Is it better to name a country where corruption is the same as in Russia? (I mean civilized countries, not some African "Papuan")
    1. kostya_a
      kostya_a 10 October 2013 22: 28 New
      -2
      Italy, France!
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 10 October 2013 22: 35 New
        +2
        Are you seriously?
        1. kostya_a
          kostya_a 12 October 2013 09: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: New Russia
          Is it better to name a country where corruption is the same as in Russia? (I mean civilized countries, not some African "Papuan")

          1) Italy: Italy is one of the highest places in Europe and 69th in the world in terms of corruption along with Ghana and Macedonia, according to a special report prepared by the Commission on the Prevention of Corruption, which, in particular, cites data from an international organization Transparency International.
          2) France generally on providing Qatar and Saudi Arabia
  • nycsson
    nycsson 10 October 2013 21: 42 New
    +8
    Quote: Arabist
    Tell me the country where corruption has been defeated.

    Singapore.
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 10 October 2013 21: 41 New
    +7
    Quote: New Russia
    A lot can be said about how the GDP "does not throw words to the wind")

    And long run after the wind with which his promises flew!
    Hello! hi As always, you have a bunch of pluses from me - as always, to the point!
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 10 October 2013 21: 45 New
      +1
      Hello) Thank you) I like to win disputes)
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 10 October 2013 21: 57 New
        0
        You are right to argue uselessly. It is worth appearing an alternative opinion, even with arguments, I’m blind,, Kremlin, and further down the list. All the best.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 10 October 2013 22: 06 New
          +1
          You can say the same about you)
        2. Normal
          Normal 10 October 2013 23: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: Arabist
          You are right to argue uselessly. It is worth appearing an alternative opinion, even with arguments, I’m blind,, Kremlin, and further down the list. All the best.


          Andrey, go to discuss the article topwar.ru/34403-rossiya-vernulas-a-zapad-ischet-vernuyu-dorogu-vo-glave-nego-pro
          vodnik-dyadya-sem.html # comment-id-1575597 There are almost all of yours. You can rya-i-i-kat and proud of the President to the will. There he is all in white.
  • Uncle
    Uncle 11 October 2013 14: 38 New
    0
    Quote: New Russia
    A lot can be said about how the GDP "does not throw words to the wind")

    Novaya Rus, you exaggerate the importance of Putin. Your generation did not study the works of Lenin, but in vain. He has an article "On the role of personality in history", from the point of view of Lenin, it is not the personality that "makes history", but on the contrary, this or that personality arises from the natural course of the historical process. In general, one should not rely so blindly on Putin, not so much depends on him.
  • nycsson
    nycsson 10 October 2013 22: 01 New
    +8
    Quote: Vadivak
    a well-known lover of iPhones, iPads and other fashionable gadgets, said that we all need to prepare for difficult times,

    Well yes. As I listened to this sweet couple about social norms for housing and communal services, it immediately vomited .... am
    Quote: Vadivak
    Correctly says, they have a crisis behind them, they got an 100 dollar bill, each one costs 14 cents, they already paid 100 million dollars to print new paper for our oil

    I laugh heartily at a counter that counts American debts. laughing There are no debts. There is a large scam, and on a global scale.
    1. abdrah
      abdrah 11 October 2013 04: 58 New
      +3
      + You, but there are people like me who are tired of the endless devaluations of national currencies, tired of working and paying their hard-earned savings for the incompetence of finance ministers or someone else.
      With us, Belarus, the money cost $ 2000 for $ 1, then it began to cost $ 3000. It cost 3000, it began to cost 8500. It cost 8500, now it costs 9200. So, only the last rate changes are smooth-8500 for $ 1 April 9200 October (2013) approximately . Prior to this, exchange rates at the official level took place as a weather forecast — there was a share of 2000 — became 3000, exactly after the New Year — a severe hangover, so to speak. In Russia, no one remembers 98 years, when they could give in rubles in rubles, and in stores with dollyov gave change in dolorimi, and with a trifle. I’m specifically talking about Moscow.
      Our state made a fool of us since no one dreamed of delirium; my grandmother put 1985 rubles of the USSR on my book in 1000, thinking that saving in everything and collecting money from a pension of 70 rubles, putting on an urgent deposit THOUSAND (!) She will relieve me of the need for the future. But it may be good that the granny retreated into the other world in 89, without seeing the Pavlovian reform and other colognes of the people.
      And the people are asking, where did Prokharov, the young businessman from Norilsk Nickel, come from? or a bill of exchange, an old rain of yabe Faberge? I have a firm answer - from my money that my grandmother put to me, like the tens of millions of Soviet workers who did not manage to withdraw, cash, exchange for goods and use honestly earned money to grow.
      Having returned to doltory, I, being a patriot of my Motherland, but being the father of three children, after financial chess of our state, have no more than $ 100 in national currency at the current exchange rate for a store and gasoline and cigarettes. It's a shame, not patriotic, but it is. I understand that because of people like me who earn money in dollars and ero these currencies live, but what will they tell me that have robbed my parents, me and my children?
      I can’t present passbooks with an urgent contribution of 1993 rubles in exchange for patriots of the Belarusian ruble, and until 1000 of the Soviet ruble, I couldn’t take it off because there was no reason, and there was nothing left to remove the memory later.
      P.S.Motorcycle Java cost 89g 1100 rubles, a moped Delta or the Carpathians-275-265 rubles. trip to the sea for two for 10 days, approx. 300 rubles.
      1. Realist58
        Realist58 11 October 2013 11: 06 New
        0
        Quote: abdrah
        In Russia, no one remembers 98 years, when they could give in rubles in rubles, and in stores with dollyov gave change in dolorimi, and with a trifle. I’m specifically talking about Moscow.

        This is who told you such a fairy tale ???
        Do not lie.
        Personally, a few days before the default, goods were bought in Moscow, and no one objected to rubles. And even more so in stores.
        Although I took part of the goods for cash bucks, and no one objected.

        But to keep the savings in bucks for a rainy day ... well, I wish you GOOD LUCK)))
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 10 October 2013 21: 06 New
    +4
    Quote: domokl
    Clever ... It also seems to me that the crisis just hid. More precisely, we are hiding it from


    The crisis is more psychological. If you translate it into an understandable language, well, for example, in boyish terms, it turns out that the gopniks borrowed coolly, but they don't want to give the loot and they can't soak the creditor, because, as guarantors, they'll just kill everyone, but they'll have to give it back. That’s the nightmare of everyone and all the leash would be to look away from our problems. And while they can all nightmare, the problem of paying off the debt is postponed or shifted to the suckers who harnessed. In the meantime, the gopniks are starting to goof on the full and it seems like they even convince themselves and the suckers that everything is as it should be, that the money should not be given "to some il fo", but to translate the arrows just "bien". As a consequence, fuckers get completely dull ...
  • nycsson
    nycsson 10 October 2013 21: 52 New
    +2
    I don’t know what kind of crisis we are talking about, or rather what kind of “behind”! request

    Ukraine has stopped importing Russian gas - Russian Kommersant
    http://uainfo.org/important/138189-ukraina-prekratila-import-rossiyskogo-gaza-ro
    ssiyskiy-ommersant.html

    The crisis is ahead ...
    1. 755962
      755962 10 October 2013 22: 12 New
      +7
      About half of all US nuclear energy was provided by Russian nuclear warheads, the State Department admitted

      About half of all atomic energy in the United States is generated by low-enriched uranium obtained as a result of the destruction of 20 thousand Russian nuclear warheads and reprocessed for the fuel of American nuclear power plants - such information was announced by US Deputy Secretary of State for Disarmament Rose Gottemoeller in anticipation of sending the last batch of containers with Russian nuclear fuel to America , reports Russia Today.

      This event should happen in December in the framework of the agreement between the governments of the two countries in 1993 on the HEU-LEU program (high enriched uranium - low enriched uranium).

      "At the end of November, American officials will travel to Moscow and St. Petersburg to oversee this process and comply with all necessary formalities upon completion of the treaty. We look forward to celebrating this historic achievement together," Gottemoeller said.


      http://www.newsru.com/world/10oct2013/nou.html

      About how!
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 10 October 2013 22: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: 755962
        About how!

        Yes, I beat off all fingers about the clave about this uranium deal. Chernomyrdin is still that fruit! am
        1. Normal
          Normal 10 October 2013 23: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: nycsson
          nycsson (1) Today, 22:46 ↑ New
          Quote: 755962
          About how!
          Yes, I beat off all fingers about the clave about this uranium deal. Chernomyrdin is still that fruit!


          But nuclear waste is being brought to us. We process them and bury ourselves. They say that many jobs in the nuclear industry were saved thanks to this deal. They say that Russia is even paid for it. Kiriyenko is very pleased.
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  • Dinver
    Dinver 11 October 2013 09: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: domokl
    .I also think that the crisis just hid.

    Yes, he didn’t hide how he went and goes, my Vologda Oblast from the 2008 year (that is, for 5 years) from the donor region, turned into a major debtor with debts of almost 1 billion dollars (and this is only budget debts excluding company debts) and debts continue to pile up. This is because 70% arrived, brought by large industrial enterprises of metallurgy and chemical production, and they do not have growth, they couldn’t stop falling for 5 years, warehouses are full of products, no one buys people are fired or sent on unpaid holidays how no work.
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 12 October 2013 10: 20 New
    0
    Quote: domokl
    Clever ... It also seems to me that the crisis has simply lurked. More precisely, we are hiding it from the last forces. If we take into account the current situation around Russia, it turns out that we now have to spend several times more and not at all to improve the life of the people. I immediately remembered Medvedev's article ... The one we ridiculed so. Maybe there was something in it? I looked through official documents and it turned out that there was no intelligible answer to my questions ...

    Article minus. Another rotten vyser. I didn't even finish reading. When an expert begins to accuse Russia of insolvency, because it has ratified the treaty with the WTO not in Russian, but in one of the official languages ​​of the WTO, then immediately there is a smell from such experts. China, too, did not sign in Chinese, just as India did not sign in Indian. There are such rights, they do not climb into a strange monastery with their prayer, of course, if you do not have the "exclusivity" about which they have been talking so much lately. The WTO is a structure of the Western world, according to its rules it exists. Unfortunately, this structure has covered 158 states on our planet, and if you do not want to be isolated, then you must join this organization. But at the same time, no one interferes with the creation of the CU and the EU.
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  • max702
    max702 10 October 2013 17: 51 New
    +4
    In the summer of 2007, he predicted the 2008 crisis, laid out everything on the shelves when it would begin, where it came from and how it would all end. Then I was very surprised at how accurately everything was predicted, in the future I always listen with interest to his opinions.
    1. old man54
      old man54 10 October 2013 19: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: max702
      In the summer of 2007, he predicted the crisis of 2008

      well, he, Khazin, and several other comrades, Kobyakov in particular, predicted the world financial systemic crisis back in 2000, and in 2002 they published the book "The Decline of the Dollar Empire or the End of Pax America". And since then, he has consistently and unwaveringly denounced the perniciousness of the existing financial system in the world.
      But to you, in general, from me "+"!
    2. pl675
      pl675 10 October 2013 21: 51 New
      -1
      But what about the predictions?
      benefits for the country where?
      here is it easier to breathe specifically?
      1. old man54
        old man54 10 October 2013 22: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: pl675
        But what about the predictions? Benefits for the country where?

        and him, Khazin, and people like him, for example, Delyagin, are they listening to, those who hold power are listening to them, or what? Then what to kick it if you got it all over, in the Kremlin and in law and stupidly balo Amer’s work out, like a salary directly, following only their instructions.
  • Asgard
    Asgard 10 October 2013 17: 57 New
    22
    A POSITION IS POSITIONED FOR THE ARTICLE(for raising the problem)))
    HOWEVER ,,, it is impossible to agree with Misha Khazin that the Resident of TNK (transNatsKorparatsiy-VVP)) stands up for "peace" ...
    He drowned this "MIR" when he was president and cosmonautics (leading)) and any industry in Russia ...
    In the crisis of 2008, it helped only the Banks and the oligarchs will "hang up" - who immediately transferred money abroad ...
    The only thing he did was "words" that did not correspond to reality and were not realized in any way ...
    We remember how Razderbanili Unified Energy System (Putin talk about competition and lower tariffs)))
    Wait a "budget rule" was introduced according to which part of the Russian budget is transferred directly to the US BUDGET ....
    This is nothing there Reserves and funds (mythically belonging to us))) this is a TRIBUTE ... COUNTRIES with Nuclear Weapons ...
    It is generally possible, if the President is NOT a TRAITOR .....

    Misha, well done, of course, which streamlines the problem ...
    Well, We tried to chew People ...
    The top is all non-human-there are mutants)))) who blatantly lie through the media and TV (including in comments to my "remarks" and "chewed" news ...
    And when praised by the Western media is a bad sign (oh what a bad-))))
    1. a52333
      a52333 10 October 2013 18: 04 New
      +1
      The fact is that an improvement in the global situation (for which Putin advocates) will inevitably lead to a fall in world oil and gas prices.
      Now my fuses in my brain will burn !!! Isn't it the other way around ???? belay
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 10 October 2013 18: 20 New
        15
        Let's watch...
        2003 the dollar 30,5 rubles a liter of gasoline 13 rubles ...
        2013 $ -31,5 and gasoline -32 rubles


        at times)))) with us, and we get it))))
        And wait, oil consumption in the world will fall, and our prices will jump again, under the blah blah blah "patriot of the country"))))
        1. a52333
          a52333 10 October 2013 19: 08 New
          +3
          what does the dollar ??? A barrel over the years is an indicator.
          2 moment. The price of a liter of gasoline is about 60% excise taxes and taxes.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 10 October 2013 19: 18 New
            17
            Quote: a52333
            The price of a liter of gasoline is about 60% of excise taxes and taxes.

            Calmly. In order. The cost of 1 liter of gasoline is about 5 rubles. 10-11 rubles taxes (excise taxes, VAT, income tax). Gasoline owners eagerly overstating its prime cost (using schemes) live and the festival
            1. old man54
              old man54 10 October 2013 19: 45 New
              10
              Quote: Vadivak
              The cost of 1 liters of gasoline is about 5 rubles. 10-11 rubles taxes (excise taxes, VAT, income tax). Gasoline owners eagerly overstating its prime cost (using schemes) live and the festival

              Vadim hi You "+" from me!
              but they not only raise the price of bezin within the country, but constantly adjust it to the European price, although recently they even surpassed it, it seems. The thing is that even more than 10 years ago, when these oil scumbags were allowed to export oil and finished fuel and lubricants to Europe, then the difference in the price of gasoline inside Russia and in the west was very significant! And of course they yelled that it was unprofitable for them to sell benz here, at these prices, like "we are losing a lot," in profit. The government did not have the strength to resist putting them firmly in place, so they were allowed to gradually raise the price for without in retail and wholesale, but now they cannot stop. And why? Because in power we have an anti-national prospect of miserable flimsy slugs, and how many active LGBT people there are among them today, I really don't know! laughing
            2. a52333
              a52333 10 October 2013 20: 39 New
              -2
              Good evening, Vadim. I’m still a little scolding, nothing?
              Asgard

              Vadivak: The cost of 1 liters of gasoline is about 5 rubles. 10-11 rubles taxes (excise taxes, VAT, income tax).

              so 32rub - 11 rub = 22 rub
              22 rub - salary, etc., etc. = tax base
              We neglect from it VAT, income tax, and taxpayers.
              Total bourgeois remains 10 rub dirty per liter. Develop, buy equipment, etc.

              Total: the state has about 20 rubles per liter.
              So raising (or rather, tacitly agreeing) with rising prices per liter of GDP fills the treasury. SO HE IS BAD?
              1. Asgard
                Asgard 10 October 2013 21: 37 New
                12
                Yes, economists are not very with you))))
                Tariffs are overstated (I agree ???)) and this is minus the cost-THIS KILLS PRODUCTION_THIS LACK OF WORKPLACES_THIS IS A POOR PEOPLE_THIS INCREASES DEPENDENCE ON IMPORT_THIS * STAR * ZDEC * SECURITY OF STATE, COUNTRY,PUTIN AND RUSSIAN PEOPLE ....

                Yes, Putin (a good guy))), also under cancellation (IUD no one likes))))

                You speak to the budget ???)))
                So, vote comrades, who gets something from the "generosity" of the state ???????
                In the budget, right now there are 7 billion money (UNSPENDED)))
                MONEY that we did not earn(quoted by Vladimir Vladimirovich))) that fill the BUDGET FRS are sent to the "welfare" fund
                The question is only whose ??????
                To support banks and crazy projects ......

                Let's look at the "right thing" for a poor country-OLYMPIC GAMES IN SOCHI 2014
                The projects are non-Russian (that means the money leaked to Western architects)))
                Technique-IMPORTED (brand-name manufacturers won)))) again west
                Baloev, Rotenbergs, well-known "HONEST" businessmen))))
                some consider them close to Putin-thieves (but IT libel))))
                Baloev Wait in LondonRothenberg in Spain bought a chic real estate))) Also flowed to the West -OUR WITH YOU MONEY (the budget finances this madness)))
                Putin in Guatemala promised to invest 12 billion dollars (all ofigeli then in the IOC of the amount of investments))))
                But they spent 50 billion dollars (nobody will NEVER surpass us)))
                Why spend on agriculture, aviation, shipbuilding, space, electronics))))
                We’ll build a bridge to nowhere (On the Russian island, the most expensive in the WORLD)))))
                200 cars a day drives it))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
                1. New Russia
                  New Russia 10 October 2013 21: 40 New
                  +4
                  7 billion are in the budget right now. I’ll fix it) Not a billion, but a trillion)
                2. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 10 October 2013 21: 41 New
                  +5
                  No comments......................
                  1. old man54
                    old man54 10 October 2013 22: 23 New
                    -4
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    No comments................

                    and what kind of fat bear it? Do we have any well-deserved athletes? laughing
                    1. experienced
                      experienced 10 October 2013 22: 27 New
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                      Quote: old man54
                      and what kind of fat bear it? Do we have any well-deserved athletes?

                      This fat guy, as you foolishly called him a scuba diving athlete, in his youth he witnessed how a trolleybus (I may be wrong with the mode of transport, maybe the bus) fell from a bridge into a river (lake) and he saved about 20 people from a depth of cold water . If I am not mistaken, this happened in Yerevan ...
                      Sometimes it is better to remain silent than to "shine with wit" not about
                      Here about him from Wiki
                      Shavarsh Vladimir Karapetyan (armenian Շավարշ Կարապետյան; May 19, 1953, Vanadzor, Armenian SSR, USSR) - the savior of dozens of people (who sacrificed his career for this) [2], 11-time world record holder, 17-time world champion, 13-time European champion, seven-time USSR champion in scuba diving, Honored Master of Sports of the USSR (1982)[3]. Honorary President of the Russian Diving Association [4]. He was awarded the Order of the Badge of Honor, as well as the honorary badge of the International Olympic Committee “For Fair Play” (“Noble Game” - English Fair Play; 1982) [5].

                      September 16, 1976 Shavarsh Karapetyan with his brother Kamo and Liparit Almasakyan made a morning run. By chance, they were at the place where the trolleybus fell into Lake Yerevan. Karapetyan took command and the most difficult part of the work of immersing and saving people on himself. "I get it - you pick it up!" - Shavarsh commanded his brother. He passed on to the brother of the saved people, and Kamo - to the boat, to the coach. From the boat to the car. At a depth of 10 meters with zero visibility, Shavarsh broke the rear window of the trolley with his feet. and saved 20 passengers out of 92's. The Karapetyan brothers dragged significantly more people out of the water, but only twenty of them managed to be brought back to life. Unconscious passengers were taken to the hospital. The assisting doctors did not know that one unexpected person had pulled their unexpected patients out of the water. Everyone was sure: the coordinated work of rescuers is being conducted. The swimmer's strength was running out. Emerging once again, Shavarsh realized that he had pulled out not a man, but a pillow from the seat of the trolley bus. According to him, this pillow often dreamed him at night, because he could save the life of another person. The remaining passengers could not be saved. After that, Shavarsh Vladimirovich was seriously ill with pneumonia, which was complicated by sepsis. The temperature was kept at forty degrees. He spent 45 days in the hospital [1]. After inflammation, commissures formed in the lungs, and each deep breath was hardly given to the athlete (at the inspiration height, commissures were pulled, causing pain and a suffocating cough). But sooner or later all the bad things come to an end, after this illness Karapetyan started recovering. Experts say that Karapetyan was one of the few people on Earth who were physically able to perform such a feat [7].


                      He repeatedly saved people, one should be proud of such citizens hi

                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 10 October 2013 22: 30 New
                        +8
                        Karapetyan, Shavarsh Vladimirovich. On January 8 [6] 1974, Shavarsh Karapetyan returned by bus from the Tsaghkadzor sports base (an all-union sports base for training Soviet athletes for Olympic competitions) in Yerevan. At that time, there were more than thirty passengers in the bus, including athletes. On a steep climb, the driver was forced to stop, because he noticed a malfunction in the motor, and get out. At that very moment, the uncontrolled bus started off. The first to be missing was Karapetyan, who was closest to the driver’s cab. He with his elbow broke the glass wall separating the cabin from the passenger compartment, in an attempt to stop the bus and avoid falling into the gorge. Shavarsh sharply directed the bus towards the mountain. Analyzing these events, we determined that this was the only correct solution that prevented the catastrophe. [Source?] It was after this incident that Shavarsh Karapetyan, answering the question of how he did it, said his famous phrase: “I was just closest ...”
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 10 October 2013 22: 36 New
                        +4
                        Salvation February 19, 1985 [edit | edit source]
                        On February 19, 1985, Karapetyan participated in rescuing people in another emergency - in a fire at the Sports and Concert Complex in Yerevan (on Tsitsernakaberd Hill). Karapetyan was one of the first at the site of ignition and began to help firefighters. He received injuries and burns. A man is a legend, a tough nut smokes nervously.
                      3. old man54
                        old man54 10 October 2013 22: 43 New
                        +5
                        Quote: seasoned
                        in his youth he witnessed how a trolleybus (I could be wrong with the mode of transport, maybe a bus) fell from a bridge into a river (lake) and he saved about 20 people from a depth of cold water.

                        thank you for prompting, I know this story related to him excellently. hi
                        Quote: seasoned
                        Sometimes it is better to remain silent than to "shine with wit" not about

                        Well, I didn’t recognize him, although it’s hard to know something, excuse me. I just watched him run, breathe, and decided that it was some kind of thug Kremlin official, decided to show off the scam of the Olympic Flames. I apologize! repeat
                    2. Ivan Kalinovich
                      Ivan Kalinovich 10 October 2013 23: 41 New
                      0
                      Old Man54 You wrote such disgusting things about a real person. (((
                      1. old man54
                        old man54 11 October 2013 00: 06 New
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                        Quote: Ivan Kalinovich
                        Old Man54 You wrote such disgusting things about a real person. (((

                        Voprevykh, I didn’t write about him personally, not referring to him, I wrote above already, and even apologized (not before you, of course). And you might think, if you wouldn’t read everything that you wrote above to me now, then you would certainly recognize him, Karapetyan in this video, in this hat and with your stomach, right? And to be clever in hindsight, like you, here 70% of the master’s site, so ... That he is not a hero, I personally did not state or even stutter on this topic, not at all, but personally I saw a very full man with a torch on video, which is outraged! Rise ... many are in VO masters, do not be like them! hi
                      2. Ivan Kalinovich
                        Ivan Kalinovich 11 October 2013 02: 29 New
                        0
                        Old man54: "I personally saw a very plump man with a torch on the video, which made me indignant" - that is, they saw someone over whom you can mock with impunity!
                        it is better for you, not a respected Old Man54, to shut up and think, but you (?) brushed off the remark to you and went over the offensive: "Ascend ... many are on the VO master, do not be like them!"
                        Conclusion: your apologies are not sincere (((
            3. Normal
              Normal 10 October 2013 23: 18 New
              +2
              Quote: a52333
              SO HE IS BAD?

              That manages the treasury as his wallet.
            4. abdrah
              abdrah 11 October 2013 05: 23 New
              0
              The price of gasoline after the last rise in price in Belarus-


              bel rub $ euro RUR

              AI-95 9100 0.99 0.74 32.2
              AI-92 8400 0.92 0.68 29.7
              DT Euro 5 9400 1.03 0.76 33.2
              Diesel 9200 1 0.74 32.5
              Gas PBA 5700 0.62 0.46 20.1
              Eco diesel fuel + 9300 1.02 0.75 32.9

              Taki have a better job than in Russia for fuels and lubricants, but it seems to me not for long ..
          2. nycsson
            nycsson 10 October 2013 22: 06 New
            +1
            Quote: Vadivak
            Gasoline owners eagerly overstating its prime cost (using schemes) live and the festival

            Interestingly, and in our country there is still such a concept as "cost"? In my opinion, no. Demand determines supply!
    2. Archibald
      Archibald 10 October 2013 18: 43 New
      +1
      Any aggravation, especially in the Middle East and its environs, has always led to higher oil prices.
    3. smile
      smile 10 October 2013 20: 04 New
      0
      a52333
      I, too, was neighing over such a thoughtful conclusion of a terribly smart analyst ... :)))
      1. a52333
        a52333 10 October 2013 20: 28 New
        -5
        smile
        That pinsets. Well-worn analysts. Then Ivashov, began to watch the video, snored at 15 minute (there is no sound on the beech. I had to sit on the sofa on TV). HE READS LECTURES AT MSU !!!! About what? I fell asleep at 15 minute. So nothing.
        2. Khazin - the masterpiece fell out. Even if you stand, fall right away!
  • bubla5
    bubla5 10 October 2013 18: 04 New
    +1
    But how does he see that his policy and the results of the board begin to fail, on the stage there are words about the crisis, well, then down the list
  • michajlo
    michajlo 10 October 2013 18: 08 New
    +5
    Good day to all!

    To the author of the article, Mikhail Khazin, a big "+" from me.

    Perhaps some of the details described by him actually look somewhat different or their sequence of application will be different, but the fact is there is an unpleasant presentiment that "acute aggression in Syria" and the involvement in hostilities there directly of Russia (not China, or others), it's just "for the time being a postponed move", in a multi-move chess game, in which some "from behind the scenes" play frivolously with the FATE OF THE WHOLE WORLD.

    Although, on the other hand, this “criminal group of persons” has been playing with impunity for several hundred years in these geopolitical games.

    And so far there is no force or group of countries on the globe that would be able to “localize and neutralize this group of people once and for all”.

    And therefore, if a group of peace-loving countries, one blazing fire, extinguishes together, a new or several fires will immediately flare up, but so far for today, there are no close patriots of the Motherland and not “taxis” ...
    1. optimist
      optimist 10 October 2013 21: 44 New
      +6
      Quote: michajlo
      but the fact is that there is an unpleasant presentiment that "acute aggression in Syria" and the involvement of Russia (not China or others) in hostilities there, is just a "postponed move" in a multi-move chess game in which some -behind the scenes ”, frivolously plays with the FATE OF THE WHOLE WORLD.

      That is the whole point. The Judaic putler is pushing Russia safely into the Syrian trap prepared by the Jewish Freemasons, who is about to slam shut. And the fumbled Russian philistine is worried: will it be possible to drive away once again to Turkey and buy a credit foreign car. People simply don’t have enough brains to understand that in October 1941 the country had more chances to survive than now ...
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 10 October 2013 21: 58 New
        +7
        Quote: optimist
        Judah putler safely pushes Russia into the Syrian trap prepared by the Jewish Freemasons, who is about to shut

        Yes, he has long been slammed shut. Every radical in the Middle East is sleeping and sees how to destroy Russia.
        Quote: optimist
        People simply don’t have enough brains to understand that in October of 1941 the country had more chances to survive than now ...

        Totally agree with you. hi
  • treskoed
    treskoed 10 October 2013 18: 16 New
    -4
    In general, it turned out what happened.

    VS Chernomyrdin recalls: "We wanted the best, but it turned out ...." Now we have to look for the guilty one - the Jews? Navalny? Yanukovych? Who else?
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 10 October 2013 20: 10 New
      0
      Quote: treskoed
      In general, it turned out what happened.

      VS Chernomyrdin recalls: "We wanted the best, but it turned out ...." Now we have to look for the guilty one - the Jews? Navalny? Yanukovych? Who else?
      “Were you still not to blame?” You will ... Get ready. And more crackers.
  • okean969
    okean969 10 October 2013 18: 31 New
    0
    Do not forget about the Creator, friends, it is He who rules the world (or, shall we say, makes History), and not some "group of persons".
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 10 October 2013 23: 42 New
      0
      quote = okean969 _131010 / even] Do not forget about the Creator, friends, it is He who rules the world (or, shall we say, makes History), and not some "group of persons". [/ quote]

      Hello dear Leonid!

      We should not forget about the Creator, you are right about this. good request

      I will allow myself to slightly change your ending.

      In my opinion, the Creator does not make “today's" history itself, that is, it does not rule the world, but only observes us with all the “insects,” and always rewards us all with our deserts.

      But when the self-confident and arrogant "little people", or rather those who consider themselves to be the "new world government", want to plunge the Earth into the fire of the 3rd MV with the use of AO and other weapons of mass destruction, then it is entirely possible that the Creator himself will stop our "Cloudless existence on the globe" !!!
      And our native green-blue planet Earth will again be thrown back many tens of thousands of years ago, or he will really turn it once and for all into a planet similar to Mars, where life used to be for a very long time, but it will never be reborn there .

      It’s just that the possibilities of destroying a person’s life on Earth with the loss of all moral and spiritual limitations are very dangerous, and can very soon be “changed from above” / by the Creator or “eliminated once and for all”, like a failed experiment to create “intelligent life in our part of the Universe ". am

      Sincerely, Mikhailo.
  • WIN969
    WIN969 10 October 2013 18: 31 New
    -1
    There is nothing to think about. If Putin said it would be so, it would be time to understand that already.
    And what a nasty face in the photo? It can be seen living on a penny. laughing
  • Garrin
    Garrin 10 October 2013 18: 34 New
    +6
    And in this situation, we see Putin getting to the forefront of world politics. He is actively advertised by Western media outlets, including even openly Russophobic ones, he is led out to the main “peacekeepers” (even it is a pity that he is not Alexander), they begin to ask him about various topics that, in general, are not within his professional knowledge. . Including about the economy.

    The question is, why?

    Elementary. This is for those who are here shouting "SLAVAVOVEPUTINU!", Throw some firewood so that they shout louder everywhere.
    1. Normal
      Normal 10 October 2013 23: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: Garrin
      This is for those who are here shouting "SLAVAVOVEPUTINA!"

      In contrast to the well-known argument of the pro-government - "vseprosralipolymers", I propose a teaser "glory to putinuura!" in my opinion, it accurately conveys the mood of pro-government.
  • Nymp
    Nymp 10 October 2013 18: 36 New
    +7
    I am one of those people who care less about dollar deposits! And I’m not shy about it, the world is held by the work of those who live from paycheck to paycheck, and not by the contributions of moneybags. They do not produce anything, which means they are consumers, so let their crisis eat. I read the article with interest, because the author has his own view on the Syrian problem, I do not agree with him that Russia will win if it stays on the sidelines and allows Syria to be smashed up and down. Yes, some economic dividends are possible, but without the Navy base in Syria, Russia's political position in the Mediterranean basin will weaken. And this is the political theater of Europe! I agree with the author only that Putin is surrounded by liberals of all stripes, who must be disposed of. Or keep them in order to know how not to act in favor of the enemies.
    1. experienced
      experienced 10 October 2013 18: 41 New
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      Quote: Nymp
      I am one of those people who care less about dollar deposits!

      You just understand that we have a lot of export goods that are not produced in our country. They are bought abroad (for currency), customs cleared, delivered to the place and sold to us profitably. So, with a low ruble, you, as a buyer, will pay much more. So, no matter how you declare that you do not care about dollars, still your family budget depends very much on its rate hi
      I agree with the author only that Putin is surrounded by liberals of all stripes, whom we must get rid of

      Did they surround him themselves or did he pull them into his surroundings? Or was it they who brought him to the fore? There are many questions, I think for a long time (always) we won't know the answers recourse
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 10 October 2013 18: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: seasoned
        There are a lot of questions

        And all rhetorical.
      2. vadson
        vadson 10 October 2013 21: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        Quote: Nymp
        I am one of those people who care less about dollar deposits!

        You just understand that we have a lot of export goods that are not produced in our country. They are bought abroad (for currency), customs cleared, delivered to the place and sold to us profitably. So, with a low ruble, you, as a buyer, will pay much more. So, no matter how you declare that you do not care about dollars, still your family budget depends very much on its rate hi
        I agree with the author only that Putin is surrounded by liberals of all stripes, whom we must get rid of

        Did they surround him themselves or did he pull them into his surroundings? Or was it they who brought him to the fore? There are many questions, I think for a long time (always) we won't know the answers recourse

        I just want to think it out loud, don’t kick much if that,
        let's default in the usa on the 17th, the dollar begins to depreciate - well, it will not go up in price from its problems, the oligarchs are severely affected because their capital in currency and stocks begins to depreciate greatly. Our state is losing its capsules abroad - the United States will postpone their return for a certain period. this is a chance for us to switch to paying for import and export in rubles and to print rubles for the lost amount of egg capsules. Of course there will be chaos in the markets and borders with export and import at first, but then everything will settle down. and as said above, to hell with it with this buck let it bend
        1. Nymp
          Nymp 10 October 2013 21: 54 New
          0
          Quote: vadson
          Of course there will be chaos in the markets and borders with export and import at first, but then everything will settle down. and as said above, to hell with it with this buck let it bend

          Here I am about the same buddy! The US has replaced the gold standard with the dollar! They convinced the whole world that the fate of the whole world depends on the course of their papers! But the pipes! We survive, and those who are afraid to part with the green will suffer more. But why should everyone else continue to carry this collar around his neck. Let the gold standard return, and the Americans lose power place with the power of the dollar.
        2. Botanologist
          Botanologist 10 October 2013 23: 39 New
          0
          Quote: vadson
          let's say the default is 17 numbers,


          To be honest - I can’t wait.

          Quote: vadson
          Our state is losing its capsules abroad - the United States will postpone their return for a certain period. this is a chance for us to switch to payment for import and export in rubles


          After the default, the United States will not. The states will scatter and create some new YUSHA (southern states of America). With new currency.
          Our state, like the rest of the world, is losing, in addition to the egg capsules, the entire banking system. If there are bankers you know, ask what SWIFT is and what is the structure of their profits (according to reports to the Central Bank). With the collapse of the United States, banks will go bankrupt. And all the money of the population of all countries will remain on burned accounts.
          So it will be difficult, but it will be a slightly different life. New. And better for us.
    2. old man54
      old man54 10 October 2013 19: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: Nymp
      I am one of those people who care less about dollar deposits! And I’m not shy about it, the world is held by the work of those who live from paycheck to paycheck, and not by the contributions of moneybags.

      actually, dear, our country after the 91, and after the 93, thanks to the efforts of the liberals, and one Putin, one of them, flesh from flesh, has become part of the global global system of current dying capitalism. And whether you like it or not, the whole country and every individual citizen today are tough, one way or another, tied to the dollar and depend on it! If world oil prices fall again to $ 20, then our economy is kirdyk, in general! wink And then it will be all the same whether you personally have deposits in $ or not, in rubles you get salary or in $. A massive bankruptcy of enterprises will begin, mass layoffs of workers and non-payment of salaries. What will you eat then? Moreover, prices in stores will skyrocket, because up to 70% of our products, especially in the western, European part of the country, are imported, i.e. imported, which means bought for foreign currency! We have perfectly killed our agriculture and are finishing it off, especially by signing the WTO accession act in this form (Putin, of course, signed it). Then try to move your brain yourself, otherwise for some reason you decided that this whole financial crisis problem will affect only $ holders and large "rich Buratino"! bully
      1. Normal
        Normal 10 October 2013 23: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: old man54
        If oil prices in the world fall again to $ 20, then our economy is kirdyk, in general!


        What is $ 20? Really kirdyk if the price drops to $ 50 per barrel and not even much more.
        Quote: old man54
        The mass bankruptcy of enterprises, mass layoffs of workers and non-payment of salaries will begin.


        Do we still have large-scale enterprises and workers? In my opinion, everything that could have already gone bankrupt. But the non-payment of salaries to the cops and tributes to Chechnya will very quickly return us to the 90s
        Quote: old man54
        What will you eat then? Moreover, in stores, prices will soar to heaven, because up to 70% of our products, especially in the western, European part of the country, are imported, i.e. imported, which means bought for the currency!

        Here you are absolutely right - there will be nothing to eat, especially in the capitals. And although products under western brands are produced here, the owners of enterprises are still in the West, even ours, the Russian owners.
  • Xroft
    Xroft 10 October 2013 18: 58 New
    0
    Even Khazin writes that the liberals! Admins and you give vornings for it .........
  • pamero
    pamero 10 October 2013 18: 59 New
    +1
    And the conclusion is simple: import substitution is a way out of all international treaties and an emphasis on your economy is on your people, industry, agriculture, stimulating domestic demand! and most importantly, Lavrov’s salary times in 150 higher than he has! And most importantly, they’re not afraid to make political decisions regarding the Russian people (maintaining it in any form). Russia is basically a region where people live who are ready to buy only,Only Russian goods. and produce goods, feed and dress neighbors !!! Let the highest statesmen (except the government) honor STOLYPIN, he was right about the great Russia, we need peace of 20 years! Let them do anything if only they would not be dragged into the war. We know from history how it ends!
    1. Orik
      Orik 10 October 2013 21: 22 New
      0
      Do you really think that Lavrov is not in the "topic". There EVERYTHING is in the subject, miracles do not happen.
    2. vadson
      vadson 10 October 2013 21: 42 New
      0
      your last name is not Lavrov? fellow
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  • New Russia
    New Russia 10 October 2013 19: 09 New
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    Here is an excerpt from the worker’s open letter to the president, which is distributed by the media (its final part).

    Where are the roads? Where are the hospitals? Where are the jobs? Promises are one.

    What about people? The hope of your promises warms them. And so from year to year. From elections to elections - unconditional support for you, dear our gagarins.

    And what in return? What?

    The team "go"?

    What do we poke now inglorious nineties? What do we spit on privatization liberals? And how are you, the current economic leaders, qualitatively different from them? What have you done to bring back, to raise, to revive what they have been ruined?

    Here is another one here, Vladimir Vladimirich, crawled out in hot pursuit. Look, the Minister of Economics is called. It goes. Jokes. Like, I'm the Minister of Development. And there is no development, they say. It’s funny to him.

    So if there is no development, do not joke. You go cry, maybe something wakes up in you. At least some development. Not economic, so human.

    No, why cry? He will not cry. Recipes are already prescribed:

    - The government will not artificially preserve jobs: inefficient workers should be withdrawn from circulation, and residents of single-industry towns should undergo a re-qualification.

    - Go!

    Does he actually understand what he is saying, this minister? Does he actually understand what he is talking about living people? He actually, who allowed so about people? Shabby notes are taken out of circulation. This is clear. Out of circulation - and for disposal. And people are not banknotes. They are taken out of circulation only to the cemetery.

    In general, what is there to say for a long time. Come, dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, to our Mezen. Take more correspondents. Operators with movie cameras. Meet with our workers, with our women - toilers. And so in front of the cameras, with all. Already tell the whole country that this is not true. What are you too smart for these, which are in jackets. That Russia is not only in the capitals of Russia. That Russia is Russia everywhere. That monotowns do not give up and support production. That the Russian North, which has been inhabited for five hundred years, will remain the Russian North. That he will not become depopulated, will not start.

    Although you, Vladimir Vladimirovich, treat the people humanly. The people trusted you. His land, his future, his life, his children. You are its President. And he is your people. And he, your people, Vladimir Vladimirovich, deserved to be human with him. I think I deserve it.



    Dear Mr. President!

    I was already finishing writing this letter and still could not formulate what exactly you would say to your people in front of the cameras. The thought was not born in any way. And the words did not get in order. And then suddenly a message came from the economic forum in Moscow. Where you are simply and humanly, as we expected, you, Vladimir Vladimirich, finally said to people:

    “To constantly maintain archaic jobs is the road to nowhere.” In fact, neither the state nor the workers are interested in this.

    - Go!

    I have tears in my eyes, Vladimir Vladimirovich. Tears
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 10 October 2013 19: 17 New
      -1
      There are hospitals and jobs. But you will not see them. Because you don’t want to. They would teach children better, although what do you teach them with such knowledge.
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 10 October 2013 19: 37 New
        +2
        The number of jobs for the year fell by 130000. And these words are not mine, you first read my post
        1. Arabist
          Arabist 10 October 2013 19: 40 New
          +1
          Do you give me a link to an anonymous person?
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 10 October 2013 19: 51 New
            +1
            Here. The person is not anonymous, the letter is open
            http://www.pravmir.ru/moskva-putinu-otkrytyj-vopl/
            1. Starfish
              Starfish 10 October 2013 22: 13 New
              +3
              do the workers already notice that something is wrong with this person who promises a lot
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 10 October 2013 22: 21 New
                +3
                Quote: Starfish
                do the workers already notice that something is wrong with this person who promises a lot


                Long time ago I found this video in nete. There is something to think about ......
              2. New Russia
                New Russia 10 October 2013 22: 30 New
                +2
                As I said (from Deligin’s suggestion), they will only begin to guess when it’s completely bad)
      2. Normal
        Normal 11 October 2013 00: 16 New
        +5
        Quote: Arabist
        There are hospitals and jobs. But you will not see them. Because you don’t want to.

        I want, I want to see the outpatient clinic in my village. And she was. Before Putin came to power. Now Tajiks live in the premises of the former outpatient clinic. I want to see jobs in my village. And they were there too. Before the arrival of Putin. Now there are no jobs. As there is no Economy. I really want to see the farm, but I can not - netuti. Together with the economy, Putin's appointees closed and destroyed:

        1. Garage - equipment transferred to another household, buildings demolished, land sold
        2. Workshops (locksmith, carpentry and others) - Gaster live in the building.
        3. Sawmill - demolished, land sold.
        4. Warehouses - closed (one burned), property removed.
        5. Shop - closed, demolished, land sold.
        6. Laundry - similarly
        7. Electric shop - similarly
        8. Bathhouse - similarly
        9. Working dining room - similarly.
        10. Greenhouse - similarly
        11. Club (library, ballroom dancing section, choir, cinema) - closed, empty.
        12. Kindergarten - closed, the premises leased and now there is a commercial kindergarten.
        13. Land for potatoes - selected, land sold.
        14. The administrative building is closed, empty.
        15. Outpatient clinic - already wrote.
        The most "funny" thing is that the farm belonged to Oud President.
        If he and his appointees destroyed for his own benefit almost his own. then will they really be happy for what they have not even seen?

        Quote: Arabist
        They would teach children better

        They would have crushed better criminals ... but just how? After all, you serve them ... they pay you a salary.
  • Quiet
    Quiet 10 October 2013 19: 21 New
    +1
    even from the G8 it was practically expelled), and even in a somewhat humiliated position

    In vain the eggheads began to so fuss so abruptly (not yet evening) ...

    The fact is that the beginning crisis is not only objective, but also fundamentally subjective in the sense that it categorically requires that someone take responsibility for the events.

    America is to blame !!! They print their candy wrappers in tons !!!


    Russia is trying softly with the help of China, which is obliged to it without collapsing the world economy to take the bucks out of circulation !!!
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 10 October 2013 19: 31 New
    +5
    Some people in the world do not like that Russia can remain outside the acute conflict that could happen in the Middle East.
    This is the point .. Once again they want to drag Russia into a big war .. and profit at our expense .. We have brilliantly overcome the Syrian crisis (without blood and war) .. The next provocation will be multi-path .. and even more cynical. And I think I’ll have to fight and it’s necessary (the main thing is to get ahead .. not nuclear weapons of course ..) otherwise again the 41st .. will be or worse .. God grant that everything goes according to the peaceful option but ...
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 10 October 2013 21: 01 New
      0
      The next provocation will be multi-way .. and even more cynical

      Do not discount provocations even from Ukraine !!!!
  • old man54
    old man54 10 October 2013 19: 36 New
    0
    The article is an unambiguous "+" and the author, Mikhail Khazin, has great respect and respect, for his courage in statements and inflexibility in views and judgments!
    If on our current liberal country - Russia, to wrest chess from the position of the game that was previously popular with us - chess, then we, Russia, are now in a state of shah, well, or very close to that. But still not a mat of course, which can certainly delight unrestrained optimists. But judging by who moves the figures in this world game from our Russian side, how rationally they move them, and how much they know the real rules of this game, the actual ones, according to which the game is played, and not declared, I no longer see around the corner and MAT! I think that we will not wait for the mat for a long time, several years, within 5! hi
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 12 October 2013 01: 13 New
      0
      Quote: old man54
      The article is an unambiguous "+" and the author, Mikhail Khazin, has great respect and respect, for his courage in statements and inflexibility in views and judgments!
      If on our current liberal country - Russia, to wrest chess from the position of the game that was previously popular with us - chess, then we, Russia, are now in a state of shah, well, or very close to that. But still not a mat of course, which can certainly delight unrestrained optimists. But judging by who moves the figures in this world game from our Russian side, how rationally they move them, and how much they know the real rules of this game, the actual ones, according to which the game is played, and not declared, I no longer see around the corner and MAT! I think that we will not wait for the mat for a long time, several years, within 5! hi


      Hello Andrey!

      Come on YOU, if not against?
      Your determination of the terms to the end of the endgame, or how to call it correctly, coincides with my fears. The difference is +/- 1 year, the essence of the issue does not change.

      In addition to Lukashenko, so far, there is not a single worthy well-known political leader.
      And I can’t consider PATRIOTS the “heads of the occupation authorities” in the capitals of the former republics and Moscow. Especially when I compare their “results” with “big PROMISES”.

      For some reason, I expect that with a rise in temperature and a "fire under the ass" in the entire post_SSSR, a new leader, PATRIOT of the Motherland and the Union-2, will appear from below.
      According to history, such people are DIRECTLY carried up by the passage of time, and throws away all the other "theatrical dwarfs and giants of the political scene."

      I wish you a pleasant weekend, Mikhailo.
  • korvin1976
    korvin1976 10 October 2013 19: 37 New
    +1
    Put a minus. I would have the opportunity to put a bunch of minuses.
    If we look at the role of Russia, we will see that in recent years it has been in the shadows (even it was virtually expelled from the G8), and even in a somewhat humiliated position. This situation has not changed, just look at the policy towards Ukraine, Russia's interests in the world, or, say, the history of the Russian diplomat in the Netherlands. Well, for example: imagine that you would have beaten and taken to the station the acting ambassador of Great Britain or the United States in the Netherlands, and along with his children! What would rise! And we, apparently, once again swallowed.
    Expelled of course from the G8, but how about ......
    The policy towards Ukraine has always been and will be aggressive, it is clear to anyone who knows how to think a little.
    The story with the Russian diplomat is, of course, an indicator. “Not even a year has passed,” but the government is demanding an answer for this. And the fact that in OSH the embassy was blown up to hell, they have already forgotten about it, and for some reason those who did it got away with it.
    But this is not the main thing. Of course, we are all pessimists to some extent, but to be such a pessimist is already something with something, it is already on the verge of pathology.
    My advice to the actor, contact a psychiatrist, and the best thing is, to our psychiatrist, and not to theirs, there will be more benefit.
  • Geyts
    Geyts 10 October 2013 19: 44 New
    -3
    Putin would soon have left ...
    1. old man54
      old man54 10 October 2013 20: 01 New
      +4
      Quote: Geyts
      Putin would soon have left ...

      he understands that with a sharp change of course and the arrival of a patriotic leader, he, Putin, clearly faces the criminal prosecution under so many articles of the Criminal Code, and for his anti-state activities in Leningrad, in the pre-presidential term, and starting from the year 2000. We just don’t know much, all this is hiding from us, just as with the Ural drunk, we didn’t know much about him, although we still don’t know much. But the time will come, and I’m sure that Vladimir Vladimirovich one way or another to go on the run, beyond the borders of our beautiful Motherland! I think that most likely to Germany, it’s not for nothing that he has a fortune there, and not one, accounts for dummies in banks and so on. wink But how long can he run, can he? I think that he cannot escape from fate, especially since he created it for himself, with his own hands. wassat
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    3. Nymp
      Nymp 10 October 2013 22: 00 New
      -1
      Quote: Geyts
      Putin would soon have left ...

      Where? And who do you recommend in return?
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 10 October 2013 22: 19 New
        +4
        with more and more definite it becomes clear that this world citizen is beginning to enjoy more popularity abroad. and by the way, so far only part of the population, but their media is slowly promoting it. and inside the country more and more people begin to think.
        just recently - 30 years ago, there was a similar situation in our country. result on face
  • SPACE
    SPACE 10 October 2013 19: 47 New
    0
    Not like Khazin, hit into conspiracy fortune-telling laughing As if it is justifying something or taking it aside. One thing is true, an economic crisis in the world or in Russia will lead, or rather is already leading to a crisis of internal liberals, will fall either under the hammer, or between a rock and a hard place, but "No silver lining, no good." And the GDP will surprise many more, someone is pleasant, and someone is not very ...
    1. Normal
      Normal 11 October 2013 00: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: SPACE
      And GDP will surprise many more, someone is nice, and someone is not very ..

      How will he surprise us? Another appeal to parliament? Or maybe another straight line and many hours of flaunting in front of cameras for pre-selected questions?
      No! He will give trial ... Serdyukov !!!
      Well, if this happens, then I will be very surprised. laughing
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 10 October 2013 19: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Geyts
    Putin would soon have left ...

    To hold gay parades ... and NATO exercises near Moscow .. ???
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 10 October 2013 19: 53 New
      +8
      Putin is the last defense against gay parades ahah) And also the last one is protected by Chubais Skrynnikov and Serdyukov from prison. You have a strange logic) Even funny)
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 10 October 2013 19: 55 New
        0
        Yes minus us as you want. Power is in the truth.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 10 October 2013 20: 01 New
          +1
          I don’t put you cons at all
        2. Normal
          Normal 11 October 2013 00: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Arabist
          Power is in the truth.

          Putin is powerless against corruption, thieves and a liberal party in the government.
    2. old man54
      old man54 10 October 2013 19: 58 New
      -3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      and NATO exercises near Moscow.

      exercises with NATO have already been held for a long time, joint, even they have taken a new form in the Armed Forces, almost like in NATO this is not enough for you? And what about NATO near Moscow? So Ulyanovsk, and so under Moscow, is there their base, NATO, forgotten? lol
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 10 October 2013 20: 00 New
        +3
        This is a transshipment base. Have you seen NATO warriors there? Or are you like Smirnov?
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    3. Garrin
      Garrin 10 October 2013 20: 28 New
      +6
      Quote: MIKHAN
      To hold gay parades ... and NATO exercises near Moscow .. ???

      And so, they will soon be taken to circumcision and prayers will begin to create.
    4. Quiet
      Quiet 10 October 2013 21: 07 New
      0
      and NATO exercises near Moscow ..


      In our history, one more near Borodino will stick their bayonets in the ground !!!! negative
      1. Normal
        Normal 11 October 2013 00: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: Quiet
        In our history, one more near Borodino will stick their bayonets in the ground !!!!

        I don’t remember who left the battlefield near Borodino? Do not remind why Moscow burned in 1912.
  • Vladomir
    Vladomir 10 October 2013 19: 49 New
    +1
    And who do you suggest? Specifically!
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 10 October 2013 20: 02 New
      -4
      For starters, a transitional council of people like Boldyrev Delyagin Khazin. And then the people will choose the best)
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 10 October 2013 20: 06 New
        0
        How is it in Palestine? Or in Ymen? smile
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 10 October 2013 20: 12 New
          0
          In Russia, everything is different and not like everyone else
      2. Orik
        Orik 10 October 2013 21: 28 New
        +1
        I want to upset you, such as "Boldyrev Delyagin Khazin" also work for the masters of the world, only their role is different!
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 10 October 2013 21: 34 New
          0
          What is the role?
          1. Orik
            Orik 11 October 2013 16: 16 New
            0
            The leaders of the sacrificial sheep or sent Cossacks waiting in the wings, you can read them, reasoning to use their information, but believe ... NEVER!
  • Geyts
    Geyts 10 October 2013 20: 08 New
    -7
    why not, masked gay parades and NATO !!!
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 10 October 2013 20: 09 New
    +1
    Stop barking ... (the caravan goes anyway ..)))
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 10 October 2013 20: 16 New
      +4
      The caravan is coming. FMS in 2013, 17 million migrants will enter Russia.
      In St. Petersburg, a Dagestan killed a 15 year old girl. In the Stavropol region, a Chechen killed visitors to the bathhouse. Only your caravan will not reach do not hesitate)
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 10 October 2013 20: 17 New
        0
        But how many and what kind of crimes did the Russians commit to themselves?
        1. Normal
          Normal 11 October 2013 00: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Arabist
          But how many and what kind of crimes did the Russians commit to themselves?

          In Chechnya and Dagestan? I think that not at all ....
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        1. New Russia
          New Russia 10 October 2013 20: 25 New
          +5
          Half of rapes in Moscow are committed by migrants

          http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/801276/

          And why do we need if so big crime to bring to us geeks from other countries that strangle crime? Let’s bring more blacks and Latinos, and we’ll also conduct an experiment on our people who kill and force more!)
          1. Arabist
            Arabist 10 October 2013 20: 26 New
            -1
            Give the Ministry of Internal Affairs, then we'll talk.
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 10 October 2013 20: 32 New
              +3
              The cited link contains the words "Moscow police chief Vladimir Kolokoltsev said that 70% of the crimes in the capital are on the conscience of visitors, and only half of them are solved."
              This is not enough?
              1. Arabist
                Arabist 10 October 2013 20: 36 New
                -1
                Of course not. In Russia there is no police chief, And Kolokoltsev is the Minister of the Interior. An official representative also loves to write about the defense industry. Already tired of refuting.
                1. Garrin
                  Garrin 10 October 2013 20: 42 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Arabist
                  Of course not. In Russia there is no police chief, And Kolokoltsev is the Minister of the Interior.

                  Finding at the words, you will not change the essence. New ... "+", you "-"
                  1. Arabist
                    Arabist 10 October 2013 20: 43 New
                    0
                    Yes please.
                2. New Russia
                  New Russia 10 October 2013 20: 43 New
                  0
                  Clearly, you are one of those who believe in conspiracy theory that corrupt journalists are agents of the West.
            2. Normal
              Normal 11 October 2013 00: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: Arabist
              Give the Ministry of Internal Affairs, then we'll talk.

              Well, you are from the authorities, so give the data on how many crimes were committed by Russians in Chechnya and Dagestan, and how many Caucasians are in the native Russian (and not only) regions.
              Then we’ll talk ....
    2. Garrin
      Garrin 10 October 2013 20: 32 New
      +6
      Quote: MIKHAN
      . (any caravan goes ..)))

      Where?????????????
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 10 October 2013 20: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Stop barking ...

      Better lick.
  • Karabin
    Karabin 10 October 2013 20: 15 New
    +6
    third hypothesis. Our "liberals" so often repeated "all is well, beautiful marquise", "everything is under control", "there are separate problems, but we know how to deal with them" and so on and so forth (Putin needs to add the missing) - imbued.

    The most realistic hypothesis from Khazin's "collected works". Putin is not only imbued with, he is, our main "liberal". You can admire as much as you like the virtual sovereign-patriotic dress of the guarantor, in reality - the king is naked.
    1. optimist
      optimist 10 October 2013 21: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Karabin
      You can admire the virtual sovereign patriotic dress of the guarantor as much as you like, in reality - the king is naked.

      The trouble is that as long as the majority of the RASEAN understand this truth, Russia will no longer be ....
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 10 October 2013 22: 34 New
        +2
        Russia will be of course, but only a few ordinary people will survive
  • Geyts
    Geyts 10 October 2013 20: 29 New
    +4
    Putin is the most liberal liberalist
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    1. New Russia
      New Russia 10 October 2013 20: 46 New
      +4
      "The Russian people have never loved the authorities." And Nikoai loved the second and loved Stalin and Brezhnev and Yeltsin in the beginning, and many still love Putin.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 10 October 2013 20: 37 New
    -1
    Russia is a specific country .. And it is not ruled (by tsars, secretaries-general, presidents or masses, etc.). Just read the story. Russia itself puts (or overthrows violently) certain rulers .. Here, notice the Russian people never loved power but understood that without it there’s nowhere .. the blood will collapse ... And Western liberalism is like death for Russia .. (therefore, we have such a negative attitude towards Anglo-Saxons Jews, etc.) We want to live honestly without the intrigues and setup of default wars, etc. . Enough to rob us! Have a conscience ... or again to teach .. ??
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 10 October 2013 20: 56 New
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Have a conscience ... or again to teach .. ??

      What to teach? In what position do you have a conscience? So without your lessons everyone has it in all possible positions. This kind of pornography is happening in the world. Unfortunately... sad
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 10 October 2013 20: 45 New
    -1
    Quote: Garrin
    Quote: MIKHAN
    . (any caravan goes ..)))

    Where?????????????

    The main thing is that forward to the line of fire !!! and then we'll figure it out ..)))
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 10 October 2013 20: 51 New
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      The main thing is that forward to the line of fire !!!

      I would build a line of defense where the quiet and systematic extermination of the Russian people comes from. At the moment, the threat comes from the Kremlin.
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 10 October 2013 20: 53 New
        -2
        Yeah, hire Tajiks.
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 10 October 2013 20: 57 New
          +4
          Quote: Arabist
          Yeah, hire Tajiks.

          Tajiks, just those in power adore.
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 10 October 2013 21: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      The main thing is that forward to the line of fire !!!

      Kapets caravan.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      and we'll figure it out

      Conductors and drivers in chocolate.
  • Brave
    Brave 10 October 2013 20: 48 New
    -1
    Interestingly, the author smoked, before writing such a nonsense? request
  • Geyts
    Geyts 10 October 2013 20: 54 New
    -2
    well .... then it’s not clear, and most likely the price per barrel dropped to $ 10, then let's look at the power of those holding
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 10 October 2013 21: 16 New
      +2
      why not, masked gay parades and NATO !!!

      Chuhan Geyts learn the language and spelling in which you pour slops on everyone !!!! Even Moscow you write through "A" !!!
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 10 October 2013 21: 22 New
        0
        Moscow from the word mosk ahahah)
        1. Quiet
          Quiet 10 October 2013 21: 26 New
          0
          it is Geyts in his comments that water peels .... am
          1. New Russia
            New Russia 10 October 2013 21: 35 New
            +2
            And you do not agree that the economy is pouring?
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 10 October 2013 22: 10 New
              +7
              Quote: New Russia
              And you do not agree that the economy is pouring?

              We have no economy. Our economy is afloat due to the export of raw materials. Oil prices will collapse + they will stop buying our gas and that’s all, we’ll put all our teeth on the shelf together.
    2. Memorandum
      Memorandum 11 October 2013 00: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Geyts
      well .... then it’s not clear, and most likely the price per barrel dropped to $ 10, then let's look at the power of those holding

      Poco the fat dries, the skinny will die ...
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 10 October 2013 21: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: Garrin
    Quote: MIKHAN
    The main thing is that forward to the line of fire !!!

    I would build a line of defense where the quiet and systematic extermination of the Russian people comes from. At the moment, the threat comes from the Kremlin.

    The Russian people will somehow figure it out (and more than once deal with the Kremlin, etc.) .. We heard these calls .. (in the recent past and not only ..) No need to crush a loaf of granny ..
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 10 October 2013 21: 13 New
      +3
      Do not speak for all Russian people)
      1. Quiet
        Quiet 10 October 2013 21: 31 New
        +3
        Do not speak for all Russian people)

        Apparently you decided to appropriate such a right ???
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 10 October 2013 21: 36 New
          0
          No, you probably already assigned it))))
          1. Quiet
            Quiet 10 October 2013 22: 18 New
            +2
            No, you probably already assigned it))))

            I AM RUSSIAN AND SPEAK FOR YOURSELF !!!!! And YOU Kenneth Chachran though drew a flag of Russia for yourself - in your heart apparently far from Russia !!!!
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 10 October 2013 22: 33 New
              0
              I, too, for myself. No, I'm not far away. I am Russia, like the rest of the Russian people, including you. And you live in illusions because you don’t want to believe that something threatens Russia so much easier and more calmly
  • Alexandr73
    Alexandr73 10 October 2013 21: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: Garrin
    Quote: MIKHAN
    . (any caravan goes ..)))
    Where?????????????

    where they sent, it goes there
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 10 October 2013 21: 13 New
      0
      And who sent?) If you draw a chain, you can guess
      1. Quiet
        Quiet 10 October 2013 22: 22 New
        +1
        What is Kenneth Chachran ?? We sit and ask stupid questions from boredom ?? When asking a question, you must be ready to give an answer to it yourself !!!
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 10 October 2013 22: 41 New
          +2
          Why boredom?) I have a great time. I like to argue with smart people) Give an answer? Who sent the caravan to where? He was sent by oligarchs and large thieves to where it is more profitable and safer for them to make a profit. Will this answer suit you?
    2. Garrin
      Garrin 10 October 2013 21: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexandr73
      where they sent, it goes there

      Duc for some such a plan. What they will send him to, he goes there. Sorry.
  • pl675
    pl675 10 October 2013 21: 13 New
    +7
    Quote: New Russia
    "people like VVP won't just say anything."

    2000 (February)
    Putin: We need a consistent, tough, persistent and principled fight against corruption

    (March)
    We will work hard and persistently to fight corruption, Putin promised

    2001
    Putin: We will firmly fight corruption

    2002

    Putin: An important task is the suppression of irresponsibility, abuse of power and especially corruption, especially when it comes to the judiciary

    2003
    We still have a lot to do to get rid of corruption - Putin
    [By the way, it was in 2003 that a seasoned anti-corruption fighter led through the State Duma and signed a law according to which such a criminal law measure as confiscation of property was excluded from the Criminal Code].

    2004
    Putin: We need accurate and realistic measures in the fight against manifestations of corruption, hype and campaigning in this area are absolutely not needed

    2005
    We will strengthen both the effectiveness of the state and the work of law enforcement agencies, which are called upon to fight corruption in practice, in practical life - Putin

    2006 (May)
    Putin noted that the level of corruption in Russia is unacceptably high, we must fight it

    (November)
    The fight against corruption in the law enforcement system and in the justice system should become more effective - Putin

    (December)
    Putin called for reliable protection of the economic space of the Far East from the pressure of organized crime and corruption

    2007
    The business climate in the country should be reliably protected from corruption and economic crimes, Putin is sure

    2008
    Putin: you need to identify any attempts to cash in at the expense of the state

    2009
    There are results in the fight against corruption, efficiency will increase - Putin

    2010
    Putin promised to severely punish unscrupulous officials for bribes and eliminate the very possibility of corruption

    2011 (April)
    Putin proposed to fight corruption

    (December)
    We will fight corruption in a consistent, persistent and tough manner, campaigning is unacceptable here - Putin
    [By the way, compare the December promise of 2011 with the promise of 2004 - and find three differences]

    2012
    Well, and for dessert - a quote from the election program of presidential candidate Putin:
    Real mechanisms of public control over the activities of the authorities in the areas most dangerous in terms of manifestations of corruption will be created.

    A lot can be said about how the GDP "does not throw words to the wind")


    not too lazy to duplicate the sheet.
    I’ll just insert my five cents with the permission of the author of the kament -
    - immediately after two attempts / from the year 2000 /
    - it was "she drowned"
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 10 October 2013 21: 13 New
    0
    Quote: Nagan
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Have a conscience ... or again to teach .. ??

    What to teach? In what position do you have a conscience? So without your lessons everyone has it in all possible positions. This kind of pornography is happening in the world. Unfortunately... sad

    The main thing is not to hysteria .. and not to anger the Russians ..! maybe everything will work out ..
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 10 October 2013 21: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      maybe everything will work out ..

      For Putin, Medvedev, Chubais, Serdyukov, Abramovich, Potanin, Miller, Alikperov, etc., for sure, everything will work out.
      1. Quiet
        Quiet 10 October 2013 22: 30 New
        +2
        maybe everything will work out ..

        For Chubais, Serdyukov, Abramovich, Potanin, Miller, Alikperov, etc.


        But dreams will be nightmares, possibly with an anuresis, and even with sex ... And with such problems, even with very big money, even in London is not life !!!!
  • Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 10 October 2013 21: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: New Russia
    "The Russian people have never loved the authorities." And Nikoai loved the second and loved Stalin and Brezhnev and Yeltsin in the beginning, and many still love Putin.

    To love or not to love is like that in general. But history shows that many "unloved" rulers deserve more respect from the people than the current government. GDP is good in foreign policy, but it often forgets about the domestic economy or does not have time. It won't last long on one pipe (although he personally has enough in abundance). And where is the development of enterprises and agriculture, we buy food for oil and gas and Chinese "garbage" that we could produce ourselves. Unfortunately, Putin will not change for Stalin, but Lukashenko ???. but how ???.
    1. New Russia
      New Russia 10 October 2013 22: 02 New
      0
      Is Russia so unique that it’s impossible to choose a worthy of 125 million? And who said that with a change of power everything will fall apart right away? 90% of the territory of Russia is Russian regions or close Finno-Finns. There is nothing to break up into, in the Far East and in central Russia, in the north, and almost everywhere people want radical changes. And it doesn’t have to be 1 person who will come and change everything, it’s impossible at stage 1, you can disperse EdRosov at the local level and temporarily introduce a parliamentary form of government from the most prominent street activists, then a year later a new constitution)
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist 10 October 2013 23: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: New Russia
        Yes, almost everywhere people want drastic changes.



        I ride a lot around the country, something did not notice the desire for radical changes request . Probably because people of my age have lived their entire lives in a state of dramatic change and, unlike you, know what it is.

        Quote: New Russia
        temporarily introduce a parliamentary form of government of the most prominent street activists,


        Rave. Full. The parliamentary form of government of street activists is the parliament of Ukraine. And by the way, are you going to gather a street asset on Bolotnaya?
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 10 October 2013 23: 40 New
          +1
          "I ride a lot around the country, something did not notice the desire for radical changes" I do not think that those who have not yet left the Far East do not want changes in these places and other policies. Those who have not yet left the Stavropol Territory, those who want to see Russian faces on the streets in the suburbs and St. Petersburg, those who pass and see the extinct villages of central Russia. Everyone wants a change)

          "The parliamentary form of government of street activists is the parliament of Ukraine." In Ukraine, a parliament of ordinary thieves, like ours, by street activists I meant those who really burn with their souls for their cause.

          "You are not going to collect a street asset on Bolotnaya" Bolotnaya is far away, and it is nothing compared to what will happen if the import of migrants and the WTO continues)
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 11 October 2013 00: 14 New
            +1
            Quote: New Russia
            Everyone wants a change)


            There are different changes. I don’t want the changes you are talking about. Enough of revolutions, seen enough.

            Quote: New Russia
            by street activists, I meant those who really burn with their hearts for their cause.


            If only you knew how thieves burned their hearts for their cause. Especially since earlier you wrote that they are attractive to you. Why are you so modestly pointing a finger at them?

            Quote: New Russia
            Swamp is far away, and it is nothing compared to what will happen with the continuation of the importation of migrants and the WTO)


            Do not leave the topic. I asked where you gathered to take activists. And you start to jump from the topic. That’s your whole policy - to bump and jump. And to answer the question - weakly?
            1. New Russia
              New Russia 11 October 2013 00: 31 New
              0
              You find fault with the words and pretend that you do not understand what I mean. "If you only knew how thieves burn in soul for their cause." What have thieves got to do with it? You generally do not know how to listen to the swamp dragged, thieves. "The changes you are talking about, I do not want." Don't want to fight corruption, drive out migrants, return what the oligarchs stole? Fight for your rights?
              1. Botanologist
                Botanologist 11 October 2013 20: 39 New
                0
                Quote: New Russia
                Do you want to fight corruption, drive out migrants, return stolen by oligarchs? Fight for your rights?


                I want to fight corruption. By the way, she reluctantly begins.

                To expel migrants - why are you Muscovites making streets of revenge? They’ll drown in shit, but they won’t take a broom in their hands. So without migrants in any way.

                Return stolen by the oligarchs ... Well, well ... How are you going to return? And what exactly? And who? I had a friend, 34 of the year, the owner of two factories. When I bought the case and restored from the garbage. Is he an oligarch or what?

                Slogans, some empty slogans I hear from you. Are you used to tearing your throat at rallies?
        2. Normal
          Normal 11 October 2013 00: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Botanologist
          Are you not going to gather a street asset on Bolotnaya?

          Well, why on Bolotnaya. This place was not accidentally chosen by the authorities and venal pseudo-leaders of the protest.
          On the Forefront, my friend. On the frontal. Just in front of the monument to Minin and Pozharsky.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 10 October 2013 21: 48 New
    -1
    Well bark .. have a right! he he bully
  • bormen
    bormen 10 October 2013 21: 53 New
    +3
    "The well-known lover of iPhones, iPads and other fashionable gadgets, said that we all need to prepare for difficult times, for a possible change of place of work, moving to other regions, and people need to learn to change not only their place of work, but also their profession and place of residence."
    and put, paskuda, he added, we won’t send Siberia to migrate, we will treat them, teach and kiss in gozno ... they will receive work on an equal footing with the Russians ... Russians to Siberia, but to guard the Churkestan border, and black-assed in Raska, cultivate, be treated and wean from donkeys ...
  • maanima
    maanima 10 October 2013 22: 01 New
    +4
    We will continue to be a “banana republic”, while Lavrov calls the Dutch who beat the Russian diplomat “friends”, and spitting Russia in the face of the West and the United States as “partners”. So far, following “partners” and “friends”, we will call objectionable IM countries “regimes” ...
  • pl675
    pl675 10 October 2013 22: 02 New
    +4
    Quote: Nymp
    Quote: Geyts
    Putin would soon have left ...

    Where? And who do you recommend in return?



    I’ll repeat for the hundredth time

    - in Russia as min 140000000 people.
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 10 October 2013 22: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: pl675
      in Russia as min 140000000 people.

      Everyman, why are these numbers? Do you know all these people? Can you vote for each of them in the elections? I repeat my question (fortunately not for the hundredth time!) Whom do you recommend? (Of famous politicians for whom citizens of Russia can vote)
      1. pl675
        pl675 10 October 2013 22: 35 New
        +1
        good.
        140 - 100 / well, just in case, for even numbers /.
        from this count, believe me, there is someone to put on.

        and here is the stop.
        did you know in 2000 who Putin is? - voted?
        you should not be cunning before answering these questions.
    2. Quiet
      Quiet 10 October 2013 22: 35 New
      +1
      in Russia as min 140000000 people.

      And there are many of them who want to rake what the EBN has spoiled ?? Do you personally agree ???
      1. New Russia
        New Russia 10 October 2013 22: 46 New
        +1
        "And many of them are willing to rake what EBN shit ??" I apologize for getting into your conversation, but if you study the biography of members of the government, you will find out a lot of interesting things for yourself who crap and when) And joining the WTO (only 1 example) is this also Yeltsin?
      2. pl675
        pl675 10 October 2013 22: 49 New
        0
        if an offer arrives, I will not refuse.
        and I assure you, if this happens, I will be much fairer than the current president.
        I'm not squeamish, not afraid of blood, and so on.
        I have a lot of material things - but I don’t need more.

        my most important quality is
        I never went under someone.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 10 October 2013 22: 05 New
    +2
    Russia is a huge country with its own mentality and it can be adjusted to the Western model in large cities (or rather, within the Moscow ring road) .. The province works gritting its teeth looking at your ratings, dollar rates, etc. Do not make people angry with your "million marches". .I think so RUSSIA WILL UNDERSTAND IN FOREIGN POLICY .. and then we'll see .. (who sent whom.)
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 10 October 2013 22: 13 New
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      This is how I think RUSSIA WILL UNDERSTAND FOREIGN POLICY.

      They cannot figure out domestic politics, where are they going to foreign .......
    2. New Russia
      New Russia 10 October 2013 22: 14 New
      0
      There is no liberal here. What does the marches of millions have to do with (there were also thousands of nationalists with leftists who should not be confused with liberals))
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist 10 October 2013 23: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: New Russia
        on which were thousands of nationalists with leftists who should not be confused with liberals


        On the march, the nationalists mixed with the liberals themselves, no one mixed them. I heard their conversations before and after ... it was sad ... they did not even understand that they had them. And are you going to power them? Yes, in any madhouse, find Bonaparte - there will be less harm from him.
        1. New Russia
          New Russia 10 October 2013 23: 44 New
          0
          "And you are going to have them in power?" Of course, their leaders are not fake) And ordinary people and among the local liberals there are many good, simply naive
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 11 October 2013 00: 17 New
            0
            Quote: New Russia
            And ordinary people and among the liberals there are many good just naive


            We have naive and enough in the Kremlin. If you are ready to endure idiots in power - what doesn’t suit you in the modern parliament? Look at Dimon - a liberal, naive, at heart, most likely, not Chikatilo. Be patient if smart ones are not needed.
        2. Normal
          Normal 11 October 2013 01: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Botanologist
          On the march, the nationalists mixed with the liberals themselves,

          Do not la la. All movements form their boxes and columns. The antifa never mingles with the nationalists, but the communists with the LGBT.
          You or "such a specialist" in this matter, or deliberately write not the truth.
    3. Quiet
      Quiet 10 October 2013 22: 37 New
      0
      it can be adjusted in large cities (or rather, within the Moscow ring

      Even within the Garden Ring there are already doubts .....
      1. Normal
        Normal 11 October 2013 01: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Quiet
        Even within the Garden Ring there are already doubts .....

        Doubts behind the Kremlin wall. And within the garden there is already confidence that this is impossible
    4. Normal
      Normal 11 October 2013 01: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      .I think this is how RUSSIA WILL UNDERSTAND FOREIGN POLICY..and we'll see .. (who sent someone to the x ... th.)

      And now I think that first you need to restore order at home, to establish production, universal accessible education and health care. Move science and space exploration forward. Try to create an economic model that will ensure the reproduction of the Russian population, and not the importation of emigrants. Then, in foreign policy, you can hit the table (even with a shoe). Then it will be the real deal. In the meantime, only show off for the sake of PR and rating.
      1. Realist58
        Realist58 11 October 2013 02: 02 New
        0
        The only way to increase population growth is to change the pension system.
        When your children will give the main amount of pension contributions to you, and not to everyone in crumbs, then those who wish to live their whole lives will decrease.
  • niklev65
    niklev65 10 October 2013 22: 06 New
    +7
    Quote: Garrin
    Quote: MIKHAN
    maybe everything will work out ..

    For Putin, Medvedev, Chubais, Serdyukov, Abramovich, Potanin, Miller, Alikperov, etc., for sure, everything will work out.

    I ask permission from the forum users to tell one parable -
    Ungrateful people
    Short-sighted people are once again shocked by another revelation by the main Internet whistleblower. It turns out that the children of the head of the Russian Railways, Vladimir Yakunin, a praying and loving, first-class businessman and patriot, as the heroes of Kusturica would say, live in London! Abroad! In Europe! And with the posterity of the deputy Mizulina, highly moral, the situation is, as you know, the same. And with the offspring of the children's ombudsman Astakhov, also called an orphan slayer. And the deputy Zheleznyak, who became famous for his love for Russia!

    It’s scary to say, but even for Putin, who shines brighter than the sun on the day of the eclipse, children also live abroad. Well, at least those that the public knows about at least.

    How so, shocked readers of blogs are indignant. Do not these people tell us that Europe is the bottom of the bottom, a black hole on the world map, a place where all moral standards are violated and coprophages coping with husbands copulate with singing blasphemers at every corner? And then, wiped to insult us, with the Russian tricolor, they set off to rob and beg, for in Europe there is a crisis, hunger and poverty? Is it not, according to all these worthy lovers of the fatherland, that the meaning of the life of almost any foreigner is to abuse the Russian child, laughing and squealing?

    What it turns out, blog readers perplexed. Are we being fooled? Are they hypocrites, all these masters of crackling speeches about the greatness of the motherland and the insignificance of its neighbors rotten to the root? They do not believe their own words? Where is their patriotism?

    You know what I’ll tell you, you are my ungrateful. They do not cheat. They are not hypocrites. And all they do is, as usual, care. About the country, about you, about us.

    Turn on the TV, remember which state you live in. No, of course, some minor troubles remained in Russia - total corruption, the collapse of the pension system, and some other trifles. But the main problems unsolvable for the rest of the world are in the past. The bacillus of homosexuality is defeated. Cossacks blooms and reborn. In medical schools - theology, on the First channel - Wang. Blasphemers sew comfortable cops for the cops, pirates and other tremors bask in the prison. Not far from the largest mosque on the continent, the highest skyscraper on the continent is being built.
    Taken from here -Http: //ibigdan.livejournal.com/13844759.html
  • niklev65
    niklev65 10 October 2013 22: 08 New
    +5
    Ungrateful people.
    continued ...
    But it is inside. Within the borders. And immediately beyond the borders, a dying Europe rots, bubbles and splashes into us with its pus. First of all, Europe is a pity. It is necessary to save. Secondly, it is even more important, own achievements from foreign decomposers also need to be protected. If possible - with little blood, a mighty blow, on the territory of the enemy.

    Holy Russia with Satanic Europe is in a state of moral war. Spiritual warfare. And at the forefront are just the children of all the above worthy people. And yet - tens, hundreds, thousands of those not listed. Deputies of all stripes, officials of all calibers, large, medium and small heads of state corporations.

    These people whom you laugh at are a feat, yes, the feat of which you are indignant at, sacrifice the most precious thing — your own children. Children are thrown into the flames of the battle for Russian truth. These are their children there, in elite American schools, in huge London mansions, in soulless Belgium, in dull Switzerland - on the front line. They shed blood for us ... Well, not blood. Well, champagne. It’s not easier for them. They are deprived of all the incredible achievements of recent times that Russia has become famous for. They cannot use what is common for you. They are our vanguard. Our new Stirlitz. Have you heard about the crusade of children? So, this is it, version 2.0.

    Because their parents are a real elite. The favorites are in different senses. Their parents understand the importance of their mission and are ready to sacrifice everything for the country. And besides, they teach their children from boldness. Continuity is the basis of stability.

    Would you yourself like to go there, to the front line? Face to face with the vices of half-dead Europe? One on one against the Sodomite special forces, against monsters in rainbow feathers, with fighting strapons at the ready? Do you even understand what the children of our masters are covering you from with their young bodies?

    Taken from here -Http: //ibigdan.livejournal.com/13844759.html
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 10 October 2013 22: 24 New
    +1
    Without Russia (or rather, without us Russian ordinary peasants), a house will start in the world. This is not pathos .. and not show-off ... NO ONE EXCEPT US will be able to stop this outrage beginning in the world! I will tear for my sons wife and parents with all the teeth who climb into my family relationships (even virtually) and for Russia with our sons we will die! turn it around (we’ll not buy it.) These are the things and there will be no flags (just for the homeland and family ..)
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 10 October 2013 22: 39 New
      0
      NOBODY EXCEPT US

      Now you understand Vitaly why this is the motto of the Airborne Forces ????
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    2. nycsson
      nycsson 10 October 2013 23: 06 New
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      or rather, without us Russian ordinary peasants) the house will begin in the world

      We have chaos in Russia.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      NOBODY EXCEPT US will not be able to stop this outrage beginning in the world!

      It started from the fact that in our country lawlessness.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      and for Russia we will stand with sons to death

      That is right. And start by not drinking or smoking. Go in for sports. Read books, starting with the Constitution, everything is written there. She will help you separate flies from cutlets.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 10 October 2013 22: 36 New
    -2
    Quote: nycsson
    Quote: MIKHAN
    This is how I think RUSSIA WILL UNDERSTAND FOREIGN POLICY.

    They cannot figure out domestic politics, where are they going to foreign .......

    From the inside, while people like you steer .. (or rather howl ..) Many of you wise guys are interested .. divorced .. (no offense) I am for Russia! (This is my creed) No need to rock the boat ...
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 10 October 2013 22: 58 New
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      From the inside, while people like you rule ..

      Since when are we with you?
      Quote: MIKHAN
      (or rather howl ..)

      In this case, such as you lick .....
      Quote: MIKHAN
      A lot of you wise men are interested .. divorced .. (no offense)

      Yes, and you have more than enough (no offense)
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I am for Russia!

      I, too, for Russia!
      Quote: MIKHAN
      No need to rock the boat ...

      I agree, you just need to realize what is happening. And to all. Then everything will be fine.
    2. pl675
      pl675 10 October 2013 23: 13 New
      +4
      when I hear the phrase "no need to rock the boat" -
      one thing in my head -
      - "she drowned."

      with all my respect for him / the president / disrespect, he was good, about the 3rd, then everything was blown away.
      lay down.
      swallowed.
      has with us, to this day.
  • VladimS
    VladimS 10 October 2013 22: 51 New
    +2
    Putin: "Constantly maintaining archaic jobs is a road to nowhere. In fact, neither the state, nor workers are interested in this."


    Correctly. Only now, instead of buying special cars for cleaning yards and streets, it is easier for brilliant local managers to hire a crowd of Tajiks for beggarly wages, to carry out this work and further in the same vein ... Unfortunately!
  • niklev65
    niklev65 10 October 2013 22: 57 New
    +1
    The United States plays Monopoly, Russia plays chess.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 10 October 2013 23: 12 New
    0
    Quote: nycsson
    Quote: MIKHAN
    From the inside, while people like you rule ..

    Since when are we with you?
    Quote: MIKHAN
    (or rather howl ..)

    In this case, such as you lick .....
    Quote: MIKHAN
    A lot of you wise men are interested .. divorced .. (no offense)

    Yes, and you have more than enough (no offense)
    Quote: MIKHAN
    I am for Russia!

    I, too, for Russia!
    Quote: MIKHAN
    No need to rock the boat ...

    I agree, you just need to realize what is happening. And to all. Then everything will be fine.

    Forgive .. forgive emotions here the Internet and the site "Military Review" .. I try to "write very softly" forgive us provincials and ignoramuses ..)))) sometimes impudent ...