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China put an end to the monopoly of the United States and Russia in the area of ​​long-range air defense systems - Chinese expert

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Xinhua News Agency published an article outlining the views of military expert Chen Hu, which analyzes Turkey’s decision to acquire the Chinese HQ-9 long-range Red Line anti-aircraft missile system worth 3 billion, reported mil.news.sina.com.cn.


The article, in particular, states that this decision caused great irritation on the part of the United States and attempts to put pressure on Turkey in order to cancel the acquisition of Chinese air defense missile systems, up to and including statements of refusal to integrate these complexes into a single air defense system and NATO missile defense in Europe. The long-range air defense system was a traditional area of ​​monopoly on the part of the United States (the Patriot system) and Russia (the C-300 system). Turkish tender showed that for the first time in stories this monopoly is broken.

China has developed HQ-9 based on its own technology, claiming that it is a copy of other systems that can be easily refuted. For example, the complex does not have a separate fire control radar, as on the Patriot and C-300, HQ-9 missiles have a more powerful active homing head (as far as can be understood from the text - "VP"). Thus, China should not simply imitate American and Russian technologies, the complex has its own characteristics, its own technological breakthroughs, the expert writes.

Another advantage of the Chinese proposal is that China has offered Turkey advanced technical cooperation to further improve HQ-9, which the US cannot offer in relation to its Patriot complex.

We are taking the first serious steps in the global arms market; China is still lagging behind the leading countries in developing some modern weapons systems, the expert admits. But the Turkish tender showed that China is becoming a new great power that can make a great contribution to ensuring global and regional security.
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  1. alone
    alone 9 October 2013 10: 55 New
    12
    you know that the truth is true. I think China suddenly and unexpectedly wedged into this undoubtedly profitable industry
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 October 2013 11: 08 New
      53
      Quote: lonely
      in my opinion, China sharply and suddenly wedged into this undoubtedly profitable industry

      Yeah, pre-purchased with 300
      1. Denis
        Denis 9 October 2013 11: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yeah, pre-purchased with 300

        But managers, as it turns out, are still not bad.
        1. Romn
          Romn 9 October 2013 11: 30 New
          15
          This apparently equipment from the same series as their aircraft, only for export ... Personally, I, about Chinese military equipment, have not heard anything good, and even more so in the field of air defense systems. One bad thing, we ourselves have sold all the technologies in China, they don’t have enough brains to create something on their own ... And what these complexes are like, we’ll see if you ask the Ecuadrians what they think about China’s military equipment, it seems their radars refused! ?
        2. seller trucks
          seller trucks 9 October 2013 11: 35 New
          +3
          Quote: Denis
          But managers, as it turns out, are still not bad.


          aha, like the Ukrainians, one contract, and screams, on the entire Internet, only I remember the story of defective Chinese radars for Ecuador, well, the master is the master
          1. Patriot.ru.
            Patriot.ru. 9 October 2013 20: 51 New
            +2
            Yes, they sold tanks to Pakistanis whose barrels are designed for a hundred shots.
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 9 October 2013 21: 01 New
              -4
              Quote: Patriot.ru.
              sold to Pakistanis tanks whose barrels are designed for a hundred shots

              In fact, how many tanks that take part in battles live? C lined to shoot gun trunks and put on the survivor. But not for scrap. Everything will be economical.
              1. Patriot.ru.
                Patriot.ru. 9 October 2013 21: 36 New
                0
                Tanks live very long under certain conditions.
                1 our superiority in the air.
                2 interaction of tanks with infantry.
                3 tanks infantry support
                1. svp67
                  svp67 10 October 2013 08: 08 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Patriot.ru.
                  Tanks live very long under certain conditions.
                  1 our superiority in the air.
                  2 interaction of tanks with infantry.
                  3 tanks infantry support

                  4. Organized combat, rear and technical support ...
                2. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 10 October 2013 10: 05 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Patriot.ru.
                  Tanks live very long under certain conditions.

                  And all these conditions must be observed. It seems that the Syrians and they are observing them, but all the same, there are considerable losses during fights in urban conditions. There are examples.
              2. Simon
                Simon 9 October 2013 22: 03 New
                0
                The Chinese are very good businessmen, they have calculated everything, and therefore it’s cheap. Any shitty stuff out there. laughing
                1. Muadipus
                  Muadipus 10 October 2013 00: 45 New
                  -1
                  It's not just about commerce. The main deterrent to China from attacking Russia is our nuclear weapons. But owning missile defense technology, the Chinese can build a solid wall of HQ-9. Then there will be no restraining force. It is necessary to do as Americans, to transfer tense arrows to others. Face China and the USA with their foreheads. It's time for the Yankees to feel what it is like to wage war on their territory.
        3. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 9 October 2013 22: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: Denis
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yeah, pre-purchased with 300

          But managers, as it turns out, are still not bad.


          A lot of them are simple. Press the price tag. So anyone can.
      2. IRBIS
        IRBIS 9 October 2013 11: 34 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yeah, pre-purchased with 300

        "China is still lagging behind the leading countries in the development of some modern weapons systems, the expert admits."

        Sanya, hi! You see, they haven’t stolen everything yet. Sorry about it, heartfelt ...
        1. AVV
          AVV 9 October 2013 12: 48 New
          +9
          Therefore, you do not need to sell them the latest systems, like the S-400, otherwise they will paint the rockets with nano paint and say that their new equipment is developed using the latest nano technologies! Earlier in the east, hands were chopped for theft !!!
        2. Mairos
          Mairos 9 October 2013 15: 31 New
          +3
          They will buy the SU-35 and then make a sharp “breakthrough” in the development of fighters.
        3. Very old
          Very old 10 October 2013 08: 27 New
          0
          And ours hasn’t sold everything to them yet.
      3. Asgard
        Asgard 9 October 2013 11: 42 New
        30
        China copyists - not bad, a year ago I was at the Mining Equipment Exhibition in Guangzhou, there some of the machines broke down during the demonstration)))
        In Ecuador, there was a situation with Radars ..... (probably everyone remembers))
        They make aircraft carriers and even submarines with airplanes, BUT turbine blades (too tough)
        Yes, probably they will be taught and IT to do?!?
        Syrian militants-won taught the components to mix Chemical Weapons)))
        In general, it will turn out something like this)))))
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS 9 October 2013 14: 25 New
          +6
          Quote: Asgard
          In general, it will turn out something like this)))))

          That's how much I watch this video - I’ll slap it! To colic!
        2. SHILO
          SHILO 9 October 2013 15: 51 New
          +6
          On a fig to put such a video. good I almost pissed off. laughing Damn spit all the claudia.
        3. samoletil18
          samoletil18 9 October 2013 16: 50 New
          +1
          My son and I erupted, finally
        4. andron352
          andron352 9 October 2013 22: 34 New
          +3
          I just do not understand, is there one monkey or five in the video?
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 10 October 2013 10: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: andron352
            I just do not understand, is there one monkey or five in the video?

            So, we consider. One is holding a camera.
            One shoots.
            Four run away.
            Total: at least six! The rest is behind the scenes!
        5. zennon
          zennon 9 October 2013 23: 55 New
          +1
          One monkey passes the machine to another. Where are the people?
      4. svp67
        svp67 9 October 2013 13: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yeah, pre-purchased with 300


        I remember someone already bought Chinese radars in air defense systems, and was left without air defense ... Turkey also bought well done, now we will see what will happen with these complexes during the year, and only then it will be possible to draw conclusions ...
        1. varov14
          varov14 9 October 2013 17: 48 New
          0
          So, judging by the article, they absolutely do not mind if the Turks modify it slightly, they will put their hands on it. As a result, the Chinese, smart people, will remove the foam.
        2. lelikas
          lelikas 9 October 2013 23: 16 New
          +2
          Just the Turks don’t know about the saying -
          We are not rich enough to buy cheap things.
        3. bif
          bif 10 October 2013 00: 40 New
          +4
          What good can be expected if the Chinese themselves do not trust their air defense systems ... and use the PURCHASED C-300 to protect the capital and other large administrative facilities. "In total, according to sinodefence.com estimates, China has received 40 divisions with 160 PUs (32 C-300ПМУ, 64 С-300ПМУ1 and 64 С-300ПМУ2) and more 1000 SAMs, which are reduced to 10 NOR .. Currently, the bulk of the S-300 air defense system is concentrated in the Beijing area. Five more divisions cover airspace in the area of ​​the Taiwan Strait. C-300 complexes also stand on combat duty in the cities of Dalian and Shanghai.
      5. Skiff
        Skiff 9 October 2013 13: 14 New
        +8
        Well, the copiers themselves bought S-300 from us to protect important objects of the country and cities, they don’t trust their guam, they put our complexes for the most important objects, why would it ???
      6. Quiet
        Quiet 9 October 2013 13: 26 New
        +3
        Yeah, pre-purchased with 300

        "Bricks" fly badly and not far !!!
      7. Siberian
        Siberian 9 October 2013 15: 23 New
        +2
        Alexander Romanov

        Yeah, pre-purchased with 300 and further; having disassembled, studied, and assembled, as it were, his invention with minor changes. The shortest path, be they not okay, is an international copy machine.
      8. Siberian German
        Siberian German 9 October 2013 16: 05 New
        +1
        and who forced us to sell them the most modern weapons while they themselves lack
      9. alone
        alone 9 October 2013 16: 12 New
        +2
        so it was not necessary to sell them s-300, knowing their ability to copy
      10. Aryan
        Aryan 9 October 2013 17: 06 New
        +2
        They are now approaching other anti-aircraft missile defense systems:
        they’re already stomping other people's rockets on the fly laughing yes
        1. Simon
          Simon 9 October 2013 22: 06 New
          +1
          No, ours is better anyway. Our right at the start of the beat. laughing
      11. GSH-18
        GSH-18 9 October 2013 18: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yeah, pre-purchased with 300

        Totally agree.
        For myself, a proven Russian air defense system. And for sale, it is unclear how the cobbled together and not tested anywhere Zrk (cat in a poke). With the right PR and lowering the price to impossible (branded Chinese trading move), stingy foreign warriors are guaranteed to absorb this shnyaga in any quantities! The main thing is that they are not even taught by the recent experience of radars that were included in Ecuador by China. None of which worked (there were 5 of them, if I’m not mistaken).
      12. starshina78
        starshina78 9 October 2013 20: 04 New
        0
        For sure! The statement that there is no separate radar in their complex is refuted by the published photo. But in general, not bad copied, hell! However, Ecuador or some other country in South America has already been burned with a similar complex. Turks can also stick together. Not everything is cheap good!
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 9 October 2013 21: 14 New
          0
          But Ecuador began to look for radars in France and Italy. Apparently, Chinese copying of our systems is a very negative factor, in addition to our jambs, in the foreign market.
        2. ziqzaq
          ziqzaq 9 October 2013 21: 22 New
          0
          Quote: starshina78
          The statement that there is no separate radar in their complex

          And what's the difference, is there a radar or not? Even if there is, one dog will not work .......
      13. Revolver
        Revolver 9 October 2013 21: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: lonely
        in my opinion, China sharply and suddenly wedged into this undoubtedly profitable industry

        Yeah, pre-purchased with 300

        And they didn’t sell.
      14. bif
        bif 10 October 2013 00: 15 New
        0
        HQ-9 was created by the China Academy of Defense Technology (China Defense Technology Academy). The development of its early prototypes began in the 80s of the last century and continued with varying success until the middle of the 90s. In 1993, China purchased from Russia a small batch of C-300 PMU-1 SAM systems. A number of design features and technical solutions of this complex were largely borrowed by Chinese engineers during the further design of the HQ-9.
        At the end of the 1990's, the People's Liberation Army of China (PLA) adopted the HQ-9 air defense system in service. http://topwar.ru/5141-sovremennye-sistemy-pvo-hq-9-fd-2000-chast-3.html
    2. experienced
      experienced 9 October 2013 11: 19 New
      +6
      Quote: lonely
      .. I think China suddenly and unexpectedly wedged into this undoubtedly profitable industry.

      It’s not enough to wedge in ... It seems to me that the Turks will rake in big problems, saving on normal production air defense systems. There was already a scandal with the delivery of Chinese radars that did not work in one country, now the Turks will be with a "holey sky". You can’t save on defense, it's an axiom! If they bought cheap Chinese trucks, I would understand them, but for that amount to buy Chinese air defense systems ... belay
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 9 October 2013 11: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: seasoned
        but for that amount to buy Chinese air defense systems ...

        Here the most interesting is how this whole story will end. If the Turks buy it all the same (and this is really a pig in a poke), then there will be a scandal, or the first step to conquer the market.
      2. sub307
        sub307 9 October 2013 14: 16 New
        +5
        I don’t know what the Turks “rake” in the end. But I dare to assume that they (the Turks) didn’t "go", before making a purchase decision they made a detailed analysis of the purchased "equipment": "careful feeling", shooting there in all kinds of complicated conditions, and other "maneuvers" that are relevant to the moment.
        You can certainly consider yourself beloved “smarter than the Turk”, but the right is not worth it.
      3. alone
        alone 9 October 2013 16: 15 New
        +2
        I don’t know Alexey, but they’re not stupid. Moreover, they want to open a production line. And I must say they have good corporations too. I’ll think that by purchasing from China the divisions and production technology will begin to make their medium-range and long-range air defense missions themselves. There is funding, the desire too. work and work. and the Turks just know how to work
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 9 October 2013 18: 48 New
          0
          Quote: lonely
          they themselves will begin to make their medium-range and long-range air defense systems. There are finances


          The average air defense system has been developed for a long time; not long ago there were tests!
    3. T-100
      T-100 9 October 2013 11: 22 New
      +7
      China has developed HQ-9 based on its own technology, claims that this is a copy of other systems are easy to refute. For example, the complex does not have a separate fire control radar, as on the Patriot and C-300, HQ-9 missiles have a more powerful active homing head (as far as you can understand from the text - “VP”).

      Well, of course, with its technology, it’s like buying a bicycle from others, placing a call on it and passing it off as your great technological process.
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 9 October 2013 13: 03 New
      +1
      By the way, in Iran is in service with the Chinese HQ-9 (a copy of the S-300 of earlier versions).
      SAM Bower 373 - 25 launchers (altitude of airborne targets 27 kmrange 150 km)
      1. T80UM1
        T80UM1 9 October 2013 13: 36 New
        +6
        Yes, but why then does Iran want the S-300 and not the HQ-9 now ???
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 9 October 2013 15: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: T80UM1
          Yes, but why then does Iran want the S-300 and not the HQ-9 now ???

          I think because the contract has been paid, and there is still the opportunity to get a 3 yard fine from Russia.
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 9 October 2013 19: 40 New
          0
          Quote: T80UM1
          Yes, but why then does Iran want the S-300 and not the HQ-9 now ???

          By the fact that the Iranians had the opportunity to appreciate the "unsurpassed achievement of the Chinese defense industry." Then they rushed to call Putin with requests to sell the S-300! yes
      2. KERGUDU BIMBAR
        KERGUDU BIMBAR 9 October 2013 14: 15 New
        0
        Again, the Chinese wedged in and pulled out ....
        SORRY!
        I REMEMBERS FOR A LONG TIME THEY HAVE SELLED FAN FROM COLOR PAPER AND PRO-CROSSING FROM US. WHICH I NEED TO RUB WITH MYTHODIR.
        Sorry, again escaped!
        sad
    5. Quiet
      Quiet 9 October 2013 13: 21 New
      +1
      After America, Turkey decided to deliver rockets with its chips ?? laughing
      America, Turkey ... Who else is listed among potential enemies of China ??? wassat
    6. Scoun
      Scoun 9 October 2013 13: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: lonely
      you know that the truth is true. I think China suddenly and unexpectedly wedged into this undoubtedly profitable industry

      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Yeah, pre-purchased with 300

      Russia sold them the S-300 but does not sell the latest developments like S-350 and S-400
      China immersed in its development which level (maybe) S-300
      2. Turkey is forced to do this because of doubts about the "partner" of the United States yesterday in the opinion
      “In case of a conflict between Turkey and Israel, NATO can block its air defense systems”
      Yesterday, 07: 48
      About the reasons why Turkey preferred the Chinese air defense systems to the Russian S-300 and the American Patriot, the president of the Center for Strategic Studies Bilgesam ATILLA SANDIKLYA told Kommersant correspondent OLGA KUZNETSOVA ....

      So there simply was no other choice (the Chinese price is also a powerful argument) and the Chinese are proposing further improvements .. that’s all, Turkey has no other options
    7. Mairos
      Mairos 9 October 2013 15: 30 New
      +1
      China, as always, buys a limited batch of our weapons, podshamanit something and sells as a unique Chinese development
    8. APASUS
      APASUS 9 October 2013 18: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      you know that the truth is true. I think China suddenly and unexpectedly wedged into this undoubtedly profitable industry

      And in my opinion, China ascribed to itself an extra victory.
      If Turkey had no problems with the United States, then the purchase of Chinese missiles did not take place even theoretically.
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 9 October 2013 18: 59 New
        0
        Quote: APASUS
        If Turkey had no problems with the United States, then the purchase of Chinese missiles did not take place even theoretically.

        The United States requested 8 billion for finished products, and this is a huge amount of money!
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 9 October 2013 19: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: ayyildiz
          The United States requested 8 billion for finished products, and this is a huge amount of money!

          In the article, this purchase agreement is positioned almost a victory.
          But in fact, there is a victory in the tender where there are three participants. One - will not sell, the second - will sell but he is more likely an enemy than a friend and the third is the prospect of cooperation with which can bring not weak dividends.
          I guessed this charade half a year ago ........ Turkey had no choice.
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 9 October 2013 20: 03 New
            0
            I personally think I made the right choice, unless of course they change their minds! Turkey receives technology and creates jobs for its citizens! The 2 generation will be developed exactly for yourself!
    9. Simon
      Simon 9 October 2013 21: 59 New
      0
      Yes, of course, this upsets Russia, but for the states it is a knockout and very good.
    10. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 9 October 2013 22: 53 New
      0
      Quote: lonely
      you know that the truth is true. I think China suddenly and unexpectedly wedged into this undoubtedly profitable industry


      How wedged and will precipitate. Here is a memory hole ... where is it? in Ecuador, it seems that all Chinese radars have broken, and the Chinese refused to change them ??? Well, in Turkey the same thing will happen.
  2. Airman
    Airman 9 October 2013 10: 55 New
    10
    From copies to their own development they are still far away, conceptually they cannot create anything new. Therefore, the Chinese expert gives wishful thinking. PR and self-promotion.
    1. танк
      танк 9 October 2013 11: 25 New
      +6
      It is foolish to think the Chinese are dumber than themselves.
      conceptually, they cannot create anything new.
      But this is generally laughing Hello)
      You generally understand that this is the only country that does EVERYTHING)))
      Look around you, and everything on your desk, everything is from China, including a computer))) If anything is assembled in Russia, then from Chinese components. Damn, yes, we launch rockets into space with Chinese spare parts !!!!
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 9 October 2013 11: 28 New
        +6
        you understand that this is the only country that does EVERYTHING)))

        No, no, no .... COPY ALL!
      2. Airman
        Airman 9 October 2013 12: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: tank
        ) If anything is assembled in Russia, then from Chinese components. Damn, yes, we launch rockets into space with Chinese spare parts !!!!

        Not only we, the Americans, too, but they are fighting a counterfeit, read the article below, "2-dollar Chinese fake ...", and we have rockets falling.
      3. fzr1000
        fzr1000 9 October 2013 12: 45 New
        +1
        What can they all do? To be able to do everything does not mean to be able to do everything efficiently and thoughtfully.
      4. Quiet
        Quiet 9 October 2013 13: 29 New
        +2
        Yes, we launch rockets into space with Chinese spare parts

        So where are the causes of failed launches ??? belay angry
        1. nazgul-ishe
          nazgul-ishe 9 October 2013 15: 32 New
          -1
          So do yours.
      5. Nitup
        Nitup 9 October 2013 16: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: tank
        You generally understand that this is the only country that does EVERYTHING)))
        Look around you, and everything on your desk, everything is from China, including a computer))) If anything is assembled in Russia, then from Chinese components. Damn, yes, we launch rockets into space with Chinese spare parts !!!!

        If the Chinese make an iPhone, this does not mean that they developed it themselves. Intellectual property rights belong in this case to the USA. Foreign companies came to China with their own equipment and production technologies.
        The Poshnik’s assertion is different, he says that they will not be able to conduct R&D and create new systems themselves, and not copy foreign ones.
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 9 October 2013 20: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: Nitup
          If the Chinese make an iPhone, this does not mean that they developed it themselves.

          Do you know that the Chinese are developing the processors for mobile devices themselves. And they are quite competitive in performance (often superior to competitors), at lower prices. For example, if you take the Chinese brand on android and Samsung. Just the fact that they all know how to copy the originals is a good opportunity to start production of something exclusively their own. By the way, we also copy ... from the USSR, and it sometimes turns out worse than the Chinese.
          1. Vitali-46
            Vitali-46 10 October 2013 03: 29 New
            +2
            And you know that the Chinese are developing the processors for mobile devices themselves. And they are quite competitive in performance (often superior to competitors), at lower prices. For example, if you take the Chinese brand on android and Samsung. Just the fact that they all know how to copy the originals is a good opportunity to start production of something exclusively their own. By the way, we also copy ... from the USSR, and it turns out sometimes worse than that of the Chinese. [/ Quote]

            Here you can’t calm down! We collect Ford, Folts, Toyota, and other cars, but this does not mean that these cars were developed by us !!! At the expense of processors .. Excuse me, what kind of phone do you have? Well, or a smartphone ? I doubt that some kind of Chinese brand !! if you want to check their development, buy yourself a Chinese phone, and you will be shocked by their processors ....

            Regards to you!
    2. vkrav
      vkrav 9 October 2013 16: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: Povshnik
      they are still far from their own developments

      That is why thousands of ex-Soviet engineers work for them, who turned out to be useless here ... Or does someone seriously believe that they launched the Chinese into space on their own original development device?
  3. Kostjan
    Kostjan 9 October 2013 10: 56 New
    +5
    Copywriters are fucking.
  4. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 9 October 2013 10: 56 New
    15
    There are legends about the reliability of Chinese technology ... lol
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 9 October 2013 13: 40 New
      +2
      There are legends about the reliability of Chinese technology ...

      And jokes ... <Why hasn't China taken man into space for so long? -Everyone was afraid, on the rocket it was written "Made in China"> !!!! wassat laughing
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 9 October 2013 20: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      There are legends about the reliability of Chinese technology ... lol

      I will say more. Here, on the site, I met zealous fans of Chinese fakes who claimed that these were QUALITY goods! belay What amused me a lot, young green. I could probably write an article with illustrations (from my own experience!) About the “quality” of Chinese goods (produced in China using precisely Chinese “brains” and “craftsmen”). Frankly speaking, this is a transfer of raw materials and energy in huge quantities, and on the exhaust - zilch! request
      We have called such handicraftsmen handicrafts, so why are we ceremony with these copywriters? Tolerance?? what
  5. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 9 October 2013 10: 56 New
    +8
    "China developed the HQ-9 based on its own technology, claims that it is a copy of other systems are easy to refute. For example, the complex does not have a separate fire control radar, as on the Patriot and S-300, HQ-9 missiles have a more powerful active homing head "

    laughing laughing laughing And the chassis is different.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 9 October 2013 11: 15 New
      +9
      Yes, yes ... well done. I can do that too: fasten a pair of nuts and a more powerful pipe to some Mercedes and call it my own development. Geniuses ...
      1. andr1966a
        andr1966a 9 October 2013 11: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: Wedmak
        Yes, yes ... well done. I can do that too: fasten a pair of nuts and a more powerful pipe to some Mercedes and call it my own development. Geniuses ...

        You’re laughing in vain. Let's face it. Young people of China. If this goes on and on, they will crush everything under themselves
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 9 October 2013 11: 50 New
          +5
          If this goes on, they’ll crush everything under themselves

          Excuse me, what will they crush? Consumer goods? So it has already become a household word. Its super high-quality cars? I don’t know, I don’t know ... I had a choice, I still bought a Russian car, more trust. With their developments in the field of ... what? You can’t even remember right away that they don’t have a bad copy of existing products.
          While they travel on cheap labor. All large corporations moved their production to China. But this is not something that the Chinese can crush someone.
          Do you have examples of really high-quality, really Chinese products for the foreign market?
          1. vlad_pr
            vlad_pr 9 October 2013 12: 52 New
            +4
            There is (or was) in the 60-70s was underwear with fleece (winter), very much nothing. The Friendship brand, in my opinion, is excellent tea, the Great Wall stew, gym shoes, I don’t remember anymore. However, real Chinese tea is still very, very decent, unlike any princesses, May slops and other akbar.
            Sincerely.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 9 October 2013 15: 21 New
              0
              Ah, well, tea yes, I agree. I somehow forgot from the heat. Although I myself love black more with our herbs.
            2. lelikas
              lelikas 9 October 2013 23: 11 New
              0
              Quote: vlad_pr
              There is (or was) in the 60-70s was underwear with fleece (winter), very much nothing. The Friendship brand, in my opinion, is excellent tea, the Great Wall stew, gym shoes, I don’t remember anymore. However, real Chinese tea is still very, very decent, unlike any princesses, May slops and other akbar.
              Sincerely.

              They still had good thermoses!
          2. Quiet
            Quiet 9 October 2013 13: 43 New
            +2
            You can’t even remember right away that they don’t have a bad copy of existing products.

            Children !!!! wassat laughing
            1. andrei332809
              andrei332809 9 October 2013 16: 33 New
              +2
              Quote: Quiet
              Children !!!!
              1. Quiet
                Quiet 9 October 2013 17: 56 New
                +1
                The future world champion in SUMO !!!! good laughing
              2. alone
                alone 9 October 2013 19: 01 New
                +1
                what interesting copy wassat
              3. Hauser
                Hauser 9 October 2013 19: 40 New
                0
                Shit, your boy, you have to do something new.
                1. andrei332809
                  andrei332809 9 October 2013 21: 35 New
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                  Quote: HAUSER
                  Shit, your boy, you have to do something new

                  well so chinese fake request
          3. andr1966a
            andr1966a 9 October 2013 19: 02 New
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            Quote: Wedmak
            If this goes on, they’ll crush everything under themselves

            Excuse me, what will they crush? Consumer goods? So it has already become a household word. Its super high-quality cars? I don’t know, I don’t know ... I had a choice, I still bought a Russian car, more trust. With their developments in the field of ... what? You can’t even remember right away that they don’t have a bad copy of existing products.
            While they travel on cheap labor. All large corporations moved their production to China. But this is not something that the Chinese can crush someone.
            Do you have examples of really high-quality, really Chinese products for the foreign market?

            In China, the rise in production was a little more than 20 years, and what successes have been achieved (almost like we did under Stalin). The quality is still lame, but in the south. Korea was the same. And as for the Chinese product, you are in vain, they not only satiated their market, but and the whole world and weapons are already being sold. It's more of a call to us. In the Far East, Russian bags are already yearning for the Chinese. I saw them in 90s snotty, miserable, hungry, we changed their leather jackets for old overcoats, they froze. Now everything has changed exactly the opposite
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 9 October 2013 20: 52 New
              +1
              Quote: andr1966a
              In the Far East, Russian bags are already yearning for the Chinese. I saw them in the 90s snotty, miserable, hungry, we changed their leather jackets for old overcoats, they froze. Now everything has changed exactly the opposite

              This is a flaw in our migration policy, just that. It is necessary to carry out passport control in places with a large number of Chinese. There the overwhelming majority of them are illegal migrants. These activities can no longer be postponed.
          4. zvereok
            zvereok 9 October 2013 20: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: Wedmak
            Do you have examples of really high-quality, really Chinese products for the foreign market?


            Processors
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 9 October 2013 20: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: zvereok
              Quote: Wedmak
              Do you have examples of really high-quality, really Chinese products for the foreign market?


              Processors

              These "chips" cannot be called processors. They do not correspond to this status in many ways. Our rocket scientists also did not bother and delve into the subtleties. Everyone knows what this led to!
              1. zvereok
                zvereok 9 October 2013 21: 25 New
                +1
                These "chips" cannot be called processors.


                All over the world, "chips", which are released, for example by qualcomm, are called processors. And we, releasing nothing of the kind ourselves, grimacing squeamishly.
                1. GSH-18
                  GSH-18 9 October 2013 21: 51 New
                  +3
                  Quote: zvereok
                  All over the world, "chips", which are released, for example by qualcomm, are called processors. And we, releasing nothing of the kind ourselves, grimacing squeamishly.

                  No one frowns. Lik.bez: Qualcomm (NASDAQ QCOM) - a company for the development and research of wireless communications, located in San Diego, California, USA. The company was founded in 1985 by Irwin Jacobs ...
                  WHAT'S HERE FOR CHINESE BRAINS ?? These processors are not designed and developed by the Chinese, they are simply stupidly stamped at the factory in China. Don't you feel the difference?
                  1. zvereok
                    zvereok 10 October 2013 22: 34 New
                    +1
                    Like the Chinese processors, in terms of performance and energy efficiency surpass the processors of this company, which are put in Samsung products. Moreover, the price of Chinese processors is much cheaper.

                    And now, try again to say - "fu chips, but we have - the anode, cathode, base - in one circuit, as many as a thousand pieces." And I don’t need about our developments, which were first made ten years ago, secondly, ideas were implemented in the West, and thirdly are hopelessly outdated. Otherwise, we would not buy backward technologies in 65 nanometers, with a lag in 10 years .. Speaking of the return, after 5 years, I have not heard yet ..
                2. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 10 October 2013 10: 11 New
                  0
                  Quote: zvereok
                  All over the world, "chips", which are released, for example by qualcomm, are called processors

                  This is all because of poverty, if not poverty, English. And foreigners repeat all this without even thinking. So make conclusions about those who do not think!
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 9 October 2013 21: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: andr1966a
          Well done China. If this goes on, they will crush everything under themselves

          Hmm. They will go far if they are not stopped. But I want to hope that they still stop.
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 9 October 2013 21: 56 New
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            Quote: Nagan
            Hmm. They will go far if they are not stopped. But I want to hope that they still stop.

            Do not worry. They will definitely stop. Preliminary list of applicants: USA, Japan, India. And under certain conditions, Europe and Russia. hi
    2. TURAR
      TURAR 9 October 2013 13: 08 New
      +2
      They have not yet been told anything (at the expense of the copy), so they are already making excuses! )))
  6. a52333
    a52333 9 October 2013 10: 57 New
    +3
    NU-NU. Let's see. And then they gop already shouted, let's see how they jump. no
    1. Tyumen
      Tyumen 9 October 2013 15: 08 New
      +1
      But God forbid. No need for China to wake up, I agree with Napoleon.
  7. Dyukha Siberian
    Dyukha Siberian 9 October 2013 11: 05 New
    +1
    well yes! China is struggling to break into the market! they took what they could from the latest developments of the USA and Russia, but was there a check? at a cost, yes below 100%, and reliability and efficiency? Turkey, in principle, will be pleased with this, if they are!))
  8. Xroft
    Xroft 9 October 2013 11: 05 New
    +7
    Yes, yes, the same thing was said about Chinese radars, they are now loved in Latin America ....
  9. nod739
    nod739 9 October 2013 11: 09 New
    0
    competition, you know
    you see our steering will pay more and more attention to their high-tech industries, and training for these industries
  10. andrei332809
    andrei332809 9 October 2013 11: 10 New
    +3
    won the tender in Turkey, so immediately became "anti-monopoly"? doubtful.
  11. HAM
    HAM 9 October 2013 11: 10 New
    +1
    “Sponges” have tinted your “own” technologies.
  12. Stiletto
    Stiletto 9 October 2013 11: 11 New
    +3
    "China put an end to the monopoly of the United States and Russia in the field of long-range air defense systems" - with ... the project documentation was on them!
  13. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 9 October 2013 11: 12 New
    +2
    The balabol is an author, as soon as the squinting people stop copying and do something of their own from 0, then the monopoly will come to an end, and in fact 1 the tender won is not an indicator for Turkey.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 9 October 2013 21: 05 New
      +1
      The Chinese expert is an interested person (if he doesn’t say something, tomorrow no one will know anything about him). So, all that he talked about a new Chinese missile system, pure profanity and an attempt to pass off wishful thinking with PR elements. yes
  14. Bezarius
    Bezarius 9 October 2013 11: 13 New
    +2
    Yes ... it’s not nice to cooperate with the Chinese in the field of military technology ...
  15. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 9 October 2013 11: 15 New
    +3
    China is still lagging behind the leading countries in the development of some modern weapons systems, the expert admits.
    Yes, understandable))) time is needed to steal the drawings or copy something .. yes to start production ..! Well, well done, of course, the nose in the wind keeps an instant reaction to the market conditions ..!
  16. Dromac
    Dromac 9 October 2013 11: 16 New
    +5
    What a high self-esteem. Then why do you need a c400? in south america, crap one's pants with their radar. Sorry, but so far damp, you are only on the way. And we don’t need to feed the Chinese with new developments, if only bit by bit (it’s still not enough without it)
  17. PROXOR
    PROXOR 9 October 2013 11: 25 New
    +4
    What is their own development !!!!! In the photo, a typical C300 is only in Chinese design. And the fact that it is more powerful than Russian, forgive me. Russia sells the castrated version of the C300 for export. The Chinese did not need to add a lot of work to cut what we cut.

    In addition, I will say. The country of NATO has given its preference to our development, and not mattresses. And just what they in NATO did not allow the Turks to buy from us directly.
  18. Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 9 October 2013 11: 25 New
    +1
    From its own Chinese technology in this complex is only a camouflage pattern. Although, maybe someone copied it. With the Chinese will.
  19. avg
    avg 9 October 2013 11: 32 New
    +9
    The end of the monopoly of the United States and Russia in the field of long-range air defense systems was not laid by China, but we ourselves, to put it mildly, not smart, in the field of arms trade. Next in line is the contract for the Su-35.
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 9 October 2013 14: 50 New
      0
      Yah you. Remember, these are PARTNERS !!!!! Aw !!! PARTNERS again))))))))))
  20. 787nkx
    787nkx 9 October 2013 11: 32 New
    0
    Maybe this is our multi-way operation?
    Well, in general, let them buy, put, test, then we will listen to the reviews.
  21. artist-mamluk
    artist-mamluk 9 October 2013 11: 33 New
    +1
    Ah yes, the Chinese, stole potatoes and pradavali a little bit.
  22. waisson
    waisson 9 October 2013 11: 35 New
    +2
    there is no copy of our own development, our price is they don’t know how quality they themselves are to blame it was necessary to think to whom what to sell
  23. dimon-media
    dimon-media 9 October 2013 11: 49 New
    +1
    Let's wait and see what came out of their HQ-9 SAM. Whatever you say, but the complex is not fired, not time-tested. I do not claim that he is bad. Maybe he's damp. Like it or not, time will tell.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 9 October 2013 21: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: dimon-media
      Whatever you say, but the complex is not fired, not time-tested. I do not claim that he is bad. Maybe he's damp.

      SAM complex can not be damp. It can be either good (knocks down real rockets) or NO. It can be damp at the design or refinement stage, and not at the sale stage! bully
  24. avg
    avg 9 October 2013 11: 52 New
    +4
    And here's another piece of news. Maybe all of life teaches something of ours?
    Russia and India are considering the possibility of producing Russian Sukhoi SuperJet-100 and MS-21 passenger aircraft in India, director of the Department of Asia and Africa of the Ministry of Economic Development Yevgeny Popov told reporters.
    India has already calculated, a Russian official said that in case of transfer of production, the cost of one machine can be "reduced to 40%." Earlier, Sukhoi Civil Aircraft considered moving production to China. Until they launched the launch of the Regional Advanced Regional Jet (ARJ21), our SSJ-100 could occupy an empty niche in the market. However, our experts were afraid that by entrusting their technology to Beijing, Russia would only help him quickly create his own plane.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 9 October 2013 12: 00 New
      0
      Oh ... the brain has turned on! Now we need to think hard about whether to sell Su-35 to China.
    2. ale-x
      ale-x 9 October 2013 14: 59 New
      +5
      The news is lousy .... Nehera, oh excuse me, create a technique by dumping AHULIARDS of folk and not quite money into it? I’ve been thinking in order to then build this equipment over a full production cycle and sell it as it is fashionable to say - high-tech, fie, sort of, products. What do we see? To collect with someone there for a couple in a foreign country, with your hands it is not clear what qualifications of people. And why their own production? Workers and engineers where? I’m more pleased to hear: “honey, I’ve got an increase in salary, now we can buy a good house and pay the children for college” than to hear from the first channel announcer that: “Russia will receive $ 000000 billion in profit from joint production in India”
      "The wrong country was called ....."
  25. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 9 October 2013 11: 55 New
    +2
    I think in modern conditions you need something radically new to go on a break.
  26. demon ada
    demon ada 9 October 2013 11: 59 New
    0
    happy for the Turks
    with a "good" purchase of you.
    and regarding the purchase of systems with Russian roots, this is the point.
    Now they’ll check, they will say all the delicate places, and by that time the s-500 will arrive in time, and they will sit in a puddle.
    will wait.
  27. tennis
    tennis 9 October 2013 12: 00 New
    +5
    Quote: tank
    It is foolish to think the Chinese are dumber than themselves.
    conceptually they can’t create anything new. But this is generally hi)
    You generally understand that this is the only country that does EVERYTHING)))
    Look around you, and everything on your desk, everything is from China, including a computer))) If anything is assembled in Russia, then from Chinese components. Damn, yes, we launch rockets into space with Chinese spare parts !!!!


    I completely agree. The Chinese are slowly going around everyone and everywhere. It's only the beginning. The main thing is that all this growing power should be aimed at the "exceptional".
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 10 October 2013 11: 16 New
      0
      tennis RU Yesterday, 12:00 PM _131009 / wed

      Hello dear Victor!

      I agree with you. good fool The Chinese are slowly but surely ALREADY breaking out into LEADERS.

      And if someone arrogantly looks at them and spits “And with the saying that the Chinas are capable of something, how to steal and copy!”,
      tomorrow many of today's leaders will have their super-products COMPARE with CHINESE REACHABLE PRODUCT !!! angry

      And we all “sleep on Soviet pillows of advanced products”! But from the 80s that the new appeared in the vast post-USSR, is produced in large batches and the WHOLE WORLD buys them from us?

      Tell me such mass-produced products that are today a MODEL for the rest of the world ?!

      Do not be offended by the directness dear, but you have a lot of ambition!

      What do we all look like (post-USSR, RF, RB, CU, RK, RU) when comparing with the USA, Israel, Sweden, Germany, France, China, India?

      Maybe at first it’s worth it to think, and leave “the hoppy cries of Hurray” for later, when we again WILL BE FORWARD TO THE WHOLE PLANET, but now they are out of place. crying

      Sincerely, Mikhailo. hi
  28. SolomonSS
    SolomonSS 9 October 2013 12: 06 New
    0
    It is very interesting to me. If this is an analogue of the S-300 (with its modifications), then this is the last day, and compared to the promising S-500 - last week. But after all, it remains a serious tool to be reckoned with. But in terms of quality, I think the Chinese counterparts of the air defense system can not be compared with our S-300PMU-2. My opinion is this, but we will see the reality of everything with time!
    1. 77bor1973
      77bor1973 9 October 2013 21: 40 New
      0
      As far as I know, they copied the launcher that they could lick from the 30N6 and 36D6 radar — copy the entire range of equipment for a bunch of s-300 modifications (there are about a dozen of them) - the navel will untie. The missile, the main weapon of the complex, could not be copied (of which there are more than a dozen species), therefore it is fussing, they say there is a more powerful radar of its own design.
  29. Orchestrarant
    Orchestrarant 9 October 2013 12: 38 New
    0
    Long range does not mean that accuracy is big! laughing
  30. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 9 October 2013 12: 39 New
    +1
    It’s interesting not the fact that China entered this area, but the comparison of air defense systems by performance characteristics! and test firing! otherwise it’s not always angry.
  31. shark
    shark 9 October 2013 13: 06 New
    +1
    They’ve stolen, don’t stolen .. This is not important. There is only one thought, that we could not sell the S-300 to the Turks as it was somehow connected with Syria.
    1. Quiet
      Quiet 9 October 2013 13: 50 New
      0
      . And the main thing is that they sold.

      Not yet sold. To win does not mean to sell ....
  32. Const
    Const 9 October 2013 13: 46 New
    +1
    It is interesting to compare the filling, technical solutions. But in general - in vain we are selling modern weapons to China, one small arms would be enough. At one time, this good neighborliness will come to us and you. They have selfishness and nationalism - a national idea, although not aggressive so far.
  33. Big
    Big lexey 9 October 2013 14: 00 New
    +4
    Quote: Wedmak
    Yes, yes ... well done. I can do that too: fasten a pair of nuts and a more powerful pipe to some Mercedes and call it my own development. Geniuses ...

    To begin with, you have to assemble a “Mercedes” from spare parts made in your own garage, but after that you can “fasten” a pipe to it and “blow” the whole world about your own genius.
    Well done Chinese, do not stand still. The fact that they are engaged in unscrupulous copyright and due to this leap to reduce the technological gap is their advantage. It’s also time for us to stop bending under the Jewish laws on intellectual property protection, we need to study and copy successful technical solutions and steal (or more correctly borrow) technological methods ... For ... it's time!
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 9 October 2013 15: 27 New
      0
      To begin with, you have to assemble a “Mercedes” from spare parts made in your own garage, but after that you can “fasten” a pipe to it and “blow” the whole world about your own genius.

      Well, in principle, it’s entirely possible. If anything with the help of the neighbors in the garage, the Russian land has not become impoverished for men with hands ... Quality will certainly be appropriate. But a couple of hundred kilometers will pass, I think. laughing
      It’s also time for us to stop bending under the Jewish laws on intellectual property protection, we need to study and copy successful technical solutions and steal (or more correctly borrow) technological methods ... For ... it's time!

      And turn into a second China? They didn’t steal anything, at least brazenly. They bought licenses for production, technology (sometimes for gold), samples. And then they did their own! Based on the experience of creating these very samples, when there was none.
  34. shinobi
    shinobi 9 October 2013 14: 01 New
    0
    It’s just that after a series of actions by Erdogan, it became difficult for the Turks to buy our S-300s. Again, the Yankees pressed on them. But they still need their own air defense. Where to go? So we went to the Chinese.
  35. Fornit
    Fornit 9 October 2013 14: 12 New
    +1
    ... the complex does not have a separate fire control radar, as on the Patriot and S-300

    And in the photo then what ??? sad
  36. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 9 October 2013 14: 35 New
    +5
    The people, of course today are Chinese goods in doubt. Remember - Israel also started - how did they steal two trucks of Mirage drawings? Who is casting doubt on Israeli technology today? China no longer hides its trump cards, right there, you can see right away: money, high-tech production, personnel, hundreds of thousands studying abroad, by the way, by the recognition of those who teach, they are the best students. I have no doubt that they are a superpower. Question: how to keep technology in the teeth? Today it is an ally of Russia, and tomorrow? hi
  37. akv0571
    akv0571 9 October 2013 14: 36 New
    0
    The Chinese Shanghai and Beijing cover our C300.
    1. andr1966a
      andr1966a 9 October 2013 20: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: akv0571
      The Chinese Shanghai and Beijing cover our C300.

      Yes, this is not about that, it is about the progress of ideological China in such a short time, and we are laughing at it. It’s good that China is a “friend” to us so far. And what will happen in 20 years? ...
  38. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 9 October 2013 14: 43 New
    0
    Well yes. Everyone knows Chinese quality.
  39. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 9 October 2013 14: 46 New
    +3
    No one ever talked about monopoly, we are simply here by definition the best and that’s all. The title of the article is provocative.
  40. akv0571
    akv0571 9 October 2013 14: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Mareman Vasilich
    No one ever talked about monopoly, we are simply here by definition the best and that’s all. The title of the article is provocative.

    That's right. And the Turks pursued cheapness
  41. sergeybulkin
    sergeybulkin 9 October 2013 15: 02 New
    +2
    It looks like an exact copy of the C300, well, do not care. At wink pa !!! the Chinese invented the bicycle ii ... vparil it on the table to the Turks !!! wink
  42. pa_nik
    pa_nik 9 October 2013 15: 05 New
    0
    "China developed the HQ-9 based on its own technology, claiming that it is a copy of other systems is easy to refute ..."

    "…Thus, China does not follow simple imitation American and Russian technologies ... "

    ... and copies with its "zest"! hi
  43. bubla5
    bubla5 9 October 2013 15: 21 New
    0
    All this is garbage, at this stage, while the Chinese are releasing analogues, we are afraid of nothing that they write in the TTX, no one has tested or tested yet, here's an example — an innovative new-selling crossover of the latest model — they slammed the trunk — the panel screen went smoky and burned out, the electronics failed, the car does not start. As a result, the more difficult they start to produce, the more mistakes there are.
  44. akv0571
    akv0571 9 October 2013 15: 32 New
    0
    All countries once copied something. The Soviet Union also copied and not a few.
    The Chinese also copy, and if they copy, it means they are behind. When they can catch up is a big question. And a lot is needed for this. Remember that the Soviet Union passed to become a leader.
    How many ingenious designers spent their strength and health on this.
    Does China have this?
    The range and height of their complex is not the most important thing. What is the probability of defeat, what kind of overload can the missiles withstand, what kind of interference do not interfere with them? Well, reliability.
  45. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 9 October 2013 15: 34 New
    0
    Need to produce a series of C700 and sell C350
  46. Daniil
    Daniil 9 October 2013 16: 19 New
    0
    Great ... but China still didn’t get us: you just have to compare this Chinese complex with our S-500 Triumph ... and thank God that these systems are not exported.
    1. Nitup
      Nitup 9 October 2013 16: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: DaniiL
      Great ... but China still didn’t get us: you just have to compare this Chinese complex with our S-500 Triumph ... and thank God that these systems are not exported.

      Before you compare it with the S-500, at least see it yourself, but for now you can only compare it with the S-400.
  47. stalker
    stalker 9 October 2013 16: 23 New
    +1
    Turks, of course, extremes, what would it take, apparently quite tight with money, but you need to buy something. Well now 50/50 that will function without failures) laughing
  48. samoletil18
    samoletil18 9 October 2013 16: 58 New
    0
    Not from simple Americans "Motorola" began to collect
  49. samoletil18
    samoletil18 9 October 2013 17: 15 New
    0
    In China, goods are positioned in stores as follows:
    original
    copy
    fake.
    As if this product was not a fake, not a copy. Again, my son bought a fake of the NTS there, and she doesn’t hang anything she needs to do, the dog, not once. It is clear that lucky. But the Turks can get lucky. And the market will begin to successfully develop China.
  50. lotar
    lotar 9 October 2013 17: 55 New
    0
    The purchase of C-300 by the Chinese does not guarantee that they can reproduce the entire composition of technological chains for their own production of such equipment. For reproduction, not only a sample is required, but also all technological documents, technical and elemental base and much more. So, what they Already able to create analogues, it already says a lot, but the question arises whether this technique meets the declared capabilities or is it another technological incident?