China put an end to the monopoly of the United States and Russia in the area of ​​long-range air defense systems - Chinese expert

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Xinhua News Agency published an article outlining the views of military expert Chen Hu, which analyzes Turkey’s decision to acquire the Chinese HQ-9 long-range Red Line anti-aircraft missile system worth 3 billion, reported mil.news.sina.com.cn.

The article, in particular, states that this decision caused great irritation on the part of the United States and attempts to put pressure on Turkey in order to cancel the acquisition of Chinese air defense missile systems, up to and including statements of refusal to integrate these complexes into a single air defense system and NATO missile defense in Europe. The long-range air defense system was a traditional area of ​​monopoly on the part of the United States (the Patriot system) and Russia (the C-300 system). Turkish tender showed that for the first time in stories this monopoly is broken.

China has developed HQ-9 based on its own technology, claiming that it is a copy of other systems that can be easily refuted. For example, the complex does not have a separate fire control radar, as on the Patriot and C-300, HQ-9 missiles have a more powerful active homing head (as far as can be understood from the text - "VP"). Thus, China should not simply imitate American and Russian technologies, the complex has its own characteristics, its own technological breakthroughs, the expert writes.

Another advantage of the Chinese proposal is that China has offered Turkey advanced technical cooperation to further improve HQ-9, which the US cannot offer in relation to its Patriot complex.

We are taking the first serious steps in the global arms market; China is still lagging behind the leading countries in developing some modern weapons systems, the expert admits. But the Turkish tender showed that China is becoming a new great power that can make a great contribution to ensuring global and regional security.
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  1. +12
    9 October 2013 10: 55
    you know that the truth is true. I think China suddenly and unexpectedly wedged into this undoubtedly profitable industry
    1. +53
      9 October 2013 11: 08
      Quote: lonely
      in my opinion, China sharply and suddenly wedged into this undoubtedly profitable industry

      Yeah, pre-purchased with 300
      1. +2
        9 October 2013 11: 20
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yeah, pre-purchased with 300

        But managers, as it turns out, are still not bad.
        1. +15
          9 October 2013 11: 30
          This apparently equipment from the same series as their aircraft, only for export ... Personally, I, about Chinese military equipment, have not heard anything good, and even more so in the field of air defense systems. One bad thing, we ourselves have sold all the technologies in China, they don’t have enough brains to create something on their own ... And what these complexes are like, we’ll see if you ask the Ecuadrians what they think about China’s military equipment, it seems their radars refused! ?
        2. +3
          9 October 2013 11: 35
          Quote: Denis
          But managers, as it turns out, are still not bad.


          aha, like the Ukrainians, one contract, and screams, on the entire Internet, only I remember the story of defective Chinese radars for Ecuador, well, the master is the master
          1. +2
            9 October 2013 20: 51
            Yes, they sold tanks to Pakistanis whose barrels are designed for a hundred shots.
            1. -4
              9 October 2013 21: 01
              Quote: Patriot.ru.
              sold to Pakistanis tanks whose barrels are designed for a hundred shots

              In fact, how many tanks that take part in battles live? C lined to shoot gun trunks and put on the survivor. But not for scrap. Everything will be economical.
              1. 0
                9 October 2013 21: 36
                Tanks live very long under certain conditions.
                1 our superiority in the air.
                2 interaction of tanks with infantry.
                3 tanks infantry support
                1. +2
                  10 October 2013 08: 08
                  Quote: Patriot.ru.
                  Tanks live very long under certain conditions.
                  1 our superiority in the air.
                  2 interaction of tanks with infantry.
                  3 tanks infantry support

                  4. Organized combat, rear and technical support ...
                2. +2
                  10 October 2013 10: 05
                  Quote: Patriot.ru.
                  Tanks live very long under certain conditions.

                  And all these conditions must be observed. It seems that the Syrians and they are observing them, but all the same, there are considerable losses during fights in urban conditions. There are examples.
              2. 0
                9 October 2013 22: 03
                The Chinese are very good businessmen, they have calculated everything, and therefore it’s cheap. Any shitty stuff out there. laughing
                1. -1
                  10 October 2013 00: 45
                  It's not just about commerce. The main deterrent to China from attacking Russia is our nuclear weapons. But owning missile defense technology, the Chinese can build a solid wall of HQ-9. Then there will be no restraining force. It is necessary to do as Americans, to transfer tense arrows to others. Face China and the USA with their foreheads. It's time for the Yankees to feel what it is like to wage war on their territory.
        3. +1
          9 October 2013 22: 53
          Quote: Denis
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yeah, pre-purchased with 300

          But managers, as it turns out, are still not bad.


          A lot of them are simple. Press the price tag. So anyone can.
      2. +6
        9 October 2013 11: 34
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yeah, pre-purchased with 300

        "China is still lagging behind the leading countries in the development of some modern weapons systems, the expert admits."

        Sanya, hi! You see, they haven’t stolen everything yet. Sorry about it, heartfelt ...
        1. AVV
          +9
          9 October 2013 12: 48
          Therefore, you do not need to sell them the latest systems, like the S-400, otherwise they will paint the rockets with nano paint and say that their new equipment is developed using the latest nano technologies! Earlier in the east, hands were chopped for theft !!!
        2. +3
          9 October 2013 15: 31
          The SU-35 will be purchased and will immediately make a sharp "leap" in the development of fighters.
        3. 0
          10 October 2013 08: 27
          And ours hasn’t sold everything to them yet.
      3. +30
        9 October 2013 11: 42
        China copyists - not bad, a year ago I was at the Mining Equipment Exhibition in Guangzhou, there some of the machines broke down during the demonstration)))
        In Ecuador, there was a situation with Radars ..... (probably everyone remembers))
        They make aircraft carriers and even submarines with airplanes, BUT turbine blades (too tough)
        Yes, probably they will be taught and IT to do?!?
        Syrian militants-won taught the components to mix Chemical Weapons)))
        In general, it will turn out something like this)))))
        1. +6
          9 October 2013 14: 25
          Quote: Asgard
          In general, it will turn out something like this)))))

          That's how much I watch this video - I’ll slap it! To colic!
        2. +6
          9 October 2013 15: 51
          On a fig to put such a video. good I almost pissed off. laughing Damn spit all the claudia.
        3. +1
          9 October 2013 16: 50
          My son and I erupted, finally
        4. +3
          9 October 2013 22: 34
          I just do not understand, is there one monkey or five in the video?
          1. +1
            10 October 2013 10: 18
            Quote: andron352
            I just do not understand, is there one monkey or five in the video?

            So, we consider. One is holding a camera.
            One shoots.
            Four run away.
            Total: at least six! The rest is behind the scenes!
        5. +1
          9 October 2013 23: 55
          One monkey passes the machine to another. Where are the people?
      4. +3
        9 October 2013 13: 10
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yeah, pre-purchased with 300


        I remember someone already bought Chinese radars in air defense systems, and was left without air defense ... Turkey also bought well done, now we will see what will happen with these complexes during the year, and only then it will be possible to draw conclusions ...
        1. 0
          9 October 2013 17: 48
          So, judging by the article, they absolutely do not mind if the Turks modify it slightly, they will put their hands on it. As a result, the Chinese, smart people, will remove the foam.
        2. +2
          9 October 2013 23: 16
          Just the Turks don’t know about the saying -
          We are not rich enough to buy cheap things.
        3. bif
          +4
          10 October 2013 00: 40
          What good can be expected if the Chinese themselves do not trust their air defense systems ... and use the PURCHASED S-300 to protect the capital and other large administrative facilities. "In total, according to sinodefence.com estimates, China received 40 divisions with 160 launchers (32 S-300PMU, 64 S-300PMU1 and 64 S-300PMU2) and more than 1000 missiles, which were consolidated into 10 air defense battalions in the PLA .." Currently, the main part of the S-300 air defense system is concentrated in the Beijing area. Five more divisions cover the airspace in the Taiwan Strait. Complexes S-300 are also on alert in the area of ​​the cities of Dalian and Shanghai.
      5. Skiff
        +8
        9 October 2013 13: 14
        Well, the copiers themselves bought S-300 from us to protect important objects of the country and cities, they don’t trust their guam, they put our complexes for the most important objects, why would it ???
      6. Quiet
        +3
        9 October 2013 13: 26
        Yeah, pre-purchased with 300

        "Bricks" fly badly and close!
      7. +2
        9 October 2013 15: 23
        Alexander Romanov

        Yeah, pre-purchased with 300 and further; having disassembled, studied, and assembled, as it were, his invention with minor changes. The shortest path, be they not okay, is an international copy machine.
      8. +1
        9 October 2013 16: 05
        and who forced us to sell them the most modern weapons while they themselves lack
      9. +2
        9 October 2013 16: 12
        so it was not necessary to sell them s-300, knowing their ability to copy
      10. +2
        9 October 2013 17: 06
        They are now approaching other anti-aircraft missile defense systems:
        they’re already stomping other people's rockets on the fly laughing Yes
        1. +1
          9 October 2013 22: 06
          No, ours is better anyway. Our right at the start of the beat. laughing
      11. +1
        9 October 2013 18: 31
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yeah, pre-purchased with 300

        Totally agree.
        For myself, a proven Russian air defense system. And for sale, it is unclear how the cobbled together and not tested anywhere Zrk (cat in a poke). With the right PR and lowering the price to impossible (branded Chinese trading move), stingy foreign warriors are guaranteed to absorb this shnyaga in any quantities! The main thing is that they are not even taught by the recent experience of radars that were included in Ecuador by China. None of which worked (there were 5 of them, if I’m not mistaken).
      12. 0
        9 October 2013 20: 04
        For sure! The statement that there is no separate radar in their complex is refuted by the published photo. But in general, not bad copied, hell! However, Ecuador or some other country in South America has already been burned with a similar complex. Turks can also stick together. Not everything is cheap good!
        1. 0
          9 October 2013 21: 14
          But Ecuador began to look for radars in France and Italy. Apparently, Chinese copying of our systems is a very negative factor, in addition to our jambs, in the foreign market.
        2. 0
          9 October 2013 21: 22
          Quote: starshina78
          The statement that there is no separate radar in their complex

          And what's the difference, is there a radar or not? Even if there is, one dog will not work .......
      13. +1
        9 October 2013 21: 24
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: lonely
        in my opinion, China sharply and suddenly wedged into this undoubtedly profitable industry

        Yeah, pre-purchased with 300

        And they didn’t sell.
      14. bif
        0
        10 October 2013 00: 15
        HQ-9 was created by the China Academy of Defense Technology (China Defense Technology Academy). The development of its early prototypes began in the 80s of the last century and continued with varying success until the middle of the 90s. In 1993, China purchased from Russia a small batch of C-300 PMU-1 SAM systems. A number of design features and technical solutions of this complex were largely borrowed by Chinese engineers during the further design of the HQ-9.
        At the end of the 1990's, the People's Liberation Army of China (PLA) adopted the HQ-9 air defense system in service. http://topwar.ru/5141-sovremennye-sistemy-pvo-hq-9-fd-2000-chast-3.html
    2. +6
      9 October 2013 11: 19
      Quote: lonely
      .. I think China suddenly and unexpectedly wedged into this undoubtedly profitable industry.

      It is not enough to wedge in ... It seems to me that the Turks will have big problems saving on air defense systems of normal production. There has already been a scandal with the supply of Chinese radars that did not work in one country, now the Turks will find themselves with a "full of holes". You can't save on defense, it's an axiom! If they bought cheap Chinese trucks, I would understand them, but for that amount to buy Chinese air defense systems ... belay
      1. +1
        9 October 2013 11: 55
        Quote: seasoned
        but for that amount to buy Chinese air defense systems ...

        Here the most interesting is how this whole story will end. If the Turks buy it all the same (and this is really a pig in a poke), then there will be a scandal, or the first step to conquer the market.
      2. +5
        9 October 2013 14: 16
        I don’t know what the Turks will be "shocked" in the end. But I dare to assume that they (the Turks) "did not go with a roof", before making a purchase decision, they made a detailed analysis of the purchased "equipment": "careful groping", all kinds of shooting there in complicated conditions, and other "maneuvers" befitting the moment.
        You can of course count yourself a loved one "smarter than a Turk", but rightly not worth it.
      3. +2
        9 October 2013 16: 15
        I don’t know Alexey, but they’re not stupid. Moreover, they want to open a production line. And I must say they have good corporations too. I’ll think that by purchasing from China the divisions and production technology will begin to make their medium-range and long-range air defense missions themselves. There is funding, the desire too. work and work. and the Turks just know how to work
        1. 0
          9 October 2013 18: 48
          Quote: lonely
          they themselves will begin to make their medium-range and long-range air defense systems. There are finances


          The average air defense system has been developed for a long time; not long ago there were tests!
    3. +7
      9 October 2013 11: 22
      China has developed HQ-9 based on its own technology, claims that this is a copy of other systems are easy to refute. For example, the complex does not have a separate fire control radar, as on the Patriot and C-300, HQ-9 missiles have a more powerful active homing head (as far as you can understand from the text - “VP”).

      Well, of course, with its technology, it’s like buying a bicycle from others, placing a call on it and passing it off as your great technological process.
    4. +1
      9 October 2013 13: 03
      By the way, in Iran is in service with the Chinese HQ-9 (a copy of the S-300 of earlier versions).
      SAM Bower 373 - 25 launchers (altitude of airborne targets 27 kmrange 150 km)
      1. +6
        9 October 2013 13: 36
        Yes, but why then does Iran want the S-300 and not the HQ-9 now ???
        1. +1
          9 October 2013 15: 22
          Quote: T80UM1
          Yes, but why then does Iran want the S-300 and not the HQ-9 now ???

          I think because the contract has been paid, and there is still the opportunity to get a 3 yard fine from Russia.
        2. 0
          9 October 2013 19: 40
          Quote: T80UM1
          Yes, but why then does Iran want the S-300 and not the HQ-9 now ???

          By the fact that the Iranians had the opportunity to appreciate the "unsurpassed achievement of the Chinese defense industry." Then they rushed to call Putin with requests to sell the S-300! Yes
      2. KERGUDU BIMBAR
        0
        9 October 2013 14: 15
        Again, the Chinese wedged in and pulled out ....
        SORRY!
        I REMEMBERS FOR A LONG TIME THEY HAVE SELLED FAN FROM COLOR PAPER AND PRO-CROSSING FROM US. WHICH I NEED TO RUB WITH MYTHODIR.
        Sorry, again escaped!
        sad
    5. Quiet
      +1
      9 October 2013 13: 21
      After America, Turkey decided to deliver rockets with its chips ?? laughing
      America, Turkey ... Who else is listed among potential enemies of China ??? wassat
    6. +4
      9 October 2013 13: 34
      Quote: lonely
      you know that the truth is true. I think China suddenly and unexpectedly wedged into this undoubtedly profitable industry

      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Yeah, pre-purchased with 300

      Russia sold them the S-300 but does not sell the latest developments like S-350 and S-400
      China immersed in its development which level (maybe) S-300
      2. Turkey is forced to do this because of doubts about the "partner" of the United States yesterday, the opinion was
      “In case of a conflict between Turkey and Israel, NATO can block its air defense systems”
      Yesterday, 07: 48
      About the reasons why Turkey preferred the Chinese air defense systems to the Russian S-300 and the American Patriot, the president of the Center for Strategic Studies Bilgesam ATILLA SANDIKLYA told Kommersant correspondent OLGA KUZNETSOVA ....

      So there simply was no other choice (the Chinese price is also a powerful argument) and the Chinese are proposing further improvements .. that’s all, Turkey has no other options
    7. +1
      9 October 2013 15: 30
      China, as always, buys a limited batch of our weapons, podshamanit something and sells as a unique Chinese development
    8. +2
      9 October 2013 18: 54
      Quote: lonely
      you know that the truth is true. I think China suddenly and unexpectedly wedged into this undoubtedly profitable industry

      And in my opinion, China ascribed to itself an extra victory.
      If Turkey had no problems with the United States, then the purchase of Chinese missiles did not take place even theoretically.
      1. 0
        9 October 2013 18: 59
        Quote: APASUS
        If Turkey had no problems with the United States, then the purchase of Chinese missiles did not take place even theoretically.

        The United States requested 8 billion for finished products, and this is a huge amount of money!
        1. +2
          9 October 2013 19: 41
          Quote: ayyildiz
          The United States requested 8 billion for finished products, and this is a huge amount of money!

          In the article, this purchase agreement is positioned almost a victory.
          But in fact, there is a victory in the tender where there are three participants. One - will not sell, the second - will sell but he is more likely an enemy than a friend and the third is the prospect of cooperation with which can bring not weak dividends.
          I guessed this charade half a year ago ........ Turkey had no choice.
          1. 0
            9 October 2013 20: 03
            I personally think I made the right choice, unless of course they change their minds! Turkey receives technology and creates jobs for its citizens! The 2 generation will be developed exactly for yourself!
    9. 0
      9 October 2013 21: 59
      Yes, of course, this upsets Russia, but for the states it is a knockout and very good.
    10. 0
      9 October 2013 22: 53
      Quote: lonely
      you know that the truth is true. I think China suddenly and unexpectedly wedged into this undoubtedly profitable industry


      How wedged and will precipitate. Here is a memory hole ... where is it? in Ecuador, it seems that all Chinese radars have broken, and the Chinese refused to change them ??? Well, in Turkey the same thing will happen.
  2. Airman
    +10
    9 October 2013 10: 55
    From copies to their own development they are still far away, conceptually they cannot create anything new. Therefore, the Chinese expert gives wishful thinking. PR and self-promotion.
    1. танк
      +6
      9 October 2013 11: 25
      It is foolish to think the Chinese are dumber than themselves.
      conceptually, they cannot create anything new.
      But this is generally laughing Hello)
      You generally understand that this is the only country that does EVERYTHING)))
      Look around you, and everything on your desk, everything is from China, including a computer))) If anything is assembled in Russia, then from Chinese components. Damn, yes, we launch rockets into space with Chinese spare parts !!!!
      1. +6
        9 October 2013 11: 28
        you understand that this is the only country that does EVERYTHING)))

        No, no, no .... COPY ALL!
      2. Airman
        +2
        9 October 2013 12: 17
        Quote: tank
        ) If anything is assembled in Russia, then from Chinese components. Damn, yes, we launch rockets into space with Chinese spare parts !!!!

        Not only here, among the Americans, too, but they are fighting counterfeit products, read the article below "2-dollar Chinese counterfeit ...", and our missiles are falling.
      3. +1
        9 October 2013 12: 45
        What can they all do? To be able to do everything does not mean to be able to do everything efficiently and thoughtfully.
      4. Quiet
        +2
        9 October 2013 13: 29
        Yes, we launch rockets into space with Chinese spare parts

        So where are the causes of failed launches ??? belay angry
        1. -1
          9 October 2013 15: 32
          So do yours.
      5. Nitup
        +1
        9 October 2013 16: 36
        Quote: tank
        You generally understand that this is the only country that does EVERYTHING)))
        Look around you, and everything on your desk, everything is from China, including a computer))) If anything is assembled in Russia, then from Chinese components. Damn, yes, we launch rockets into space with Chinese spare parts !!!!

        If the Chinese make an iPhone, this does not mean that they developed it themselves. Intellectual property rights belong in this case to the USA. Foreign companies came to China with their own equipment and production technologies.
        The Poshnik’s assertion is different, he says that they will not be able to conduct R&D and create new systems themselves, and not copy foreign ones.
        1. +2
          9 October 2013 20: 07
          Quote: Nitup
          If the Chinese make an iPhone, this does not mean that they developed it themselves.

          Do you know that the Chinese are developing the processors for mobile devices themselves. And they are quite competitive in performance (often superior to competitors), at lower prices. For example, if you take the Chinese brand on android and Samsung. Just the fact that they all know how to copy the originals is a good opportunity to start production of something exclusively their own. By the way, we also copy ... from the USSR, and it sometimes turns out worse than the Chinese.
          1. +2
            10 October 2013 03: 29
            And you know that the Chinese are developing the processors for mobile devices themselves. And they are quite competitive in performance (often superior to competitors), at lower prices. For example, if you take the Chinese brand on android and Samsung. Just the fact that they all know how to copy the originals is a good opportunity to start production of something exclusively their own. By the way, we also copy ... from the USSR, and it turns out sometimes worse than that of the Chinese. [/ Quote]

            Here you can’t calm down! We collect Ford, Folts, Toyota, and other cars, but this does not mean that these cars were developed by us !!! At the expense of processors .. Excuse me, what kind of phone do you have? Well, or a smartphone ? I doubt that some kind of Chinese brand !! if you want to check their development, buy yourself a Chinese phone, and you will be shocked by their processors ....

            Regards to you!
    2. vkrav
      +4
      9 October 2013 16: 47
      Quote: Povshnik
      they are still far from their own developments

      That is why thousands of ex-Soviet engineers work for them, who turned out to be useless here ... Or does someone seriously believe that they launched the Chinese into space on their own original development device?
  3. Kostjan
    +5
    9 October 2013 10: 56
    Copywriters are fucking.
  4. +15
    9 October 2013 10: 56
    There are legends about the reliability of Chinese technology ... lol
    1. Quiet
      +2
      9 October 2013 13: 40
      There are legends about the reliability of Chinese technology ...

      And anecdotes ... "Why did China not launch a man into space for so long?" - everyone was afraid, on the rocket it was written "Made in China"> !!!! wassat laughing
    2. +2
      9 October 2013 20: 10
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      There are legends about the reliability of Chinese technology ... lol

      I will say more. Here, on the site, I met zealous fans of Chinese fakes who claimed that these were QUALITY goods! belay What made me laugh is young, green. I could probably write an article with illustrations (from my own experience!) About the "quality" of Chinese goods (produced in China using Chinese "brains" and "craftsmen"). Frankly speaking, this is the transfer of raw materials and energy carriers in huge quantities, and the exhaust is a puff! request
      We have called such handicraftsmen handicrafts, so why are we ceremony with these copywriters? Tolerance?? what
  5. +8
    9 October 2013 10: 56
    "China has developed the HQ-9 based on its own technologies, claims that it is a copy of other systems are easy to refute. For example, the complex does not have a separate fire control radar, as on the Patriot and the S-300, HQ-9 missiles have more powerful active seeker "

    laughing laughing laughing And the chassis is different.
    1. +9
      9 October 2013 11: 15
      Yes, yes ... well done. I can do that too: fasten a pair of nuts and a more powerful pipe to some Mercedes and call it my own development. Geniuses ...
      1. +3
        9 October 2013 11: 40
        Quote: Wedmak
        Yes, yes ... well done. I can do that too: fasten a pair of nuts and a more powerful pipe to some Mercedes and call it my own development. Geniuses ...

        You’re laughing in vain. Let's face it. Young people of China. If this goes on and on, they will crush everything under themselves
        1. +5
          9 October 2013 11: 50
          If this goes on, they’ll crush everything under themselves

          Excuse me, what will they crush? Consumer goods? So it has already become a household word. Its super high-quality cars? I don’t know, I don’t know ... I had a choice, I still bought a Russian car, more trust. With their developments in the field of ... what? You can’t even remember right away that they don’t have a bad copy of existing products.
          While they travel on cheap labor. All large corporations moved their production to China. But this is not something that the Chinese can crush someone.
          Do you have examples of really high-quality, really Chinese products for the foreign market?
          1. +4
            9 October 2013 12: 52
            There is (or was), in the 60-70s there were underwear with a fleece (winter), very much even nothing. Brand "Friendship", in my opinion, excellent tea, stew "Great Wall", sneakers, then as it is not remembered. However, real Chinese tea is still very, very decent, unlike any princesses, May slops and other akbars.
            Sincerely.
            1. 0
              9 October 2013 15: 21
              Ah, well, tea yes, I agree. I somehow forgot from the heat. Although I myself love black more with our herbs.
            2. 0
              9 October 2013 23: 11
              Quote: vlad_pr
              There is (or was), in the 60-70s there were underwear with a fleece (winter), very much even nothing. Brand "Friendship", in my opinion, excellent tea, stew "Great Wall", sneakers, then as it is not remembered. However, real Chinese tea is still very, very decent, unlike any princesses, May slops and other akbars.
              Sincerely.

              They still had good thermoses!
          2. Quiet
            +2
            9 October 2013 13: 43
            You can’t even remember right away that they don’t have a bad copy of existing products.

            Children !!!! wassat laughing
            1. +2
              9 October 2013 16: 33
              Quote: Quiet
              Children !!!!
              1. Quiet
                +1
                9 October 2013 17: 56
                The future world champion in SUMO !!!! good laughing
              2. +1
                9 October 2013 19: 01
                what interesting copy wassat
              3. HOUSES
                0
                9 October 2013 19: 40
                Shit, your boy, you have to do something new.
                1. 0
                  9 October 2013 21: 35
                  Quote: HAUSER
                  Shit, your boy, you have to do something new

                  well so chinese fake request
          3. 0
            9 October 2013 19: 02
            Quote: Wedmak
            If this goes on, they’ll crush everything under themselves

            Excuse me, what will they crush? Consumer goods? So it has already become a household word. Its super high-quality cars? I don’t know, I don’t know ... I had a choice, I still bought a Russian car, more trust. With their developments in the field of ... what? You can’t even remember right away that they don’t have a bad copy of existing products.
            While they travel on cheap labor. All large corporations moved their production to China. But this is not something that the Chinese can crush someone.
            Do you have examples of really high-quality, really Chinese products for the foreign market?

            In China, the rise in production was a little more than 20 years, and what successes have been achieved (almost like we did under Stalin). The quality is still lame, but in the south. Korea was the same. And as for the Chinese product, you are in vain, they not only satiated their market, but and the whole world and weapons are already being sold. It's more of a call to us. In the Far East, Russian bags are already yearning for the Chinese. I saw them in 90s snotty, miserable, hungry, we changed their leather jackets for old overcoats, they froze. Now everything has changed exactly the opposite
            1. +1
              9 October 2013 20: 52
              Quote: andr1966a
              In the Far East, Russian bags are already yearning for the Chinese. I saw them in the 90s snotty, miserable, hungry, we changed their leather jackets for old overcoats, they froze. Now everything has changed exactly the opposite

              This is a flaw in our migration policy, just that. It is necessary to carry out passport control in places with a large number of Chinese. There the overwhelming majority of them are illegal migrants. These activities can no longer be postponed.
          4. +1
            9 October 2013 20: 10
            Quote: Wedmak
            Do you have examples of really high-quality, really Chinese products for the foreign market?


            Processors
            1. +1
              9 October 2013 20: 57
              Quote: zvereok
              Quote: Wedmak
              Do you have examples of really high-quality, really Chinese products for the foreign market?


              Processors

              These "chips" cannot be called processors. They do not correspond to this status in many ways. Our rocket designers also did not bother and delve into the subtleties. Everyone knows what this led to!
              1. +1
                9 October 2013 21: 25
                These "chips" cannot be called processors.


                All over the world, the "chips" that qualcomm produce are called processors. And we, not releasing anything of the kind ourselves, frown in disgust.
                1. +3
                  9 October 2013 21: 51
                  Quote: zvereok
                  All over the world, the "chips" that qualcomm produce are called processors. And we, not releasing anything of the kind ourselves, frown in disgust.

                  No one frowns. Lik.bez: Qualcomm (NASDAQ QCOM) - a company for the development and research of wireless communications, located in San Diego, California, USA. The company was founded in 1985 by Irwin Jacobs ...
                  WHAT'S HERE FOR CHINESE BRAINS ?? These processors are not designed and developed by the Chinese, they are simply stupidly stamped at the factory in China. Don't you feel the difference?
                  1. +1
                    10 October 2013 22: 34
                    Like the Chinese processors, in terms of performance and energy efficiency surpass the processors of this company, which are put in Samsung products. Moreover, the price of Chinese processors is much cheaper.

                    And now, try again to say - "Fu chips, but we have - anode, cathode, base - in one circuit as many as a thousand pieces." And I don’t need to talk about our developments, which, firstly, were produced ten years ago, secondly, the ideas were implemented in the West, and thirdly, they are hopelessly outdated. Otherwise, we would not buy backward technologies of 65 nanometers, with a lag of 10 years .. Speaking of the return, after 5 years, I have not heard yet ..
                2. 0
                  10 October 2013 10: 11
                  Quote: zvereok
                  All over the world, the "chips" that are produced, for example, qualcomm are called processors

                  This is all because of poverty, if not poverty, English. And foreigners repeat all this without even thinking. So make conclusions about those who do not think!
        2. +2
          9 October 2013 21: 40
          Quote: andr1966a
          Well done China. If this goes on, they will crush everything under themselves

          Hmm. They will go far if they are not stopped. But I want to hope that they still stop.
          1. 0
            9 October 2013 21: 56
            Quote: Nagan
            Hmm. They will go far if they are not stopped. But I want to hope that they still stop.

            Do not worry. They will definitely stop. Preliminary list of applicants: USA, Japan, India. And under certain conditions, Europe and Russia. hi
    2. +2
      9 October 2013 13: 08
      They have not yet been told anything (at the expense of the copy), so they are already making excuses! )))
  6. +3
    9 October 2013 10: 57
    NU-NU. Let's see. And then they gop already shouted, let's see how they jump. No.
    1. Tyumen
      +1
      9 October 2013 15: 08
      But God forbid. No need for China to wake up, I agree with Napoleon.
  7. Dyukha Siberian
    +1
    9 October 2013 11: 05
    well yes! China is struggling to break into the market! they took what they could from the latest developments of the USA and Russia, but was there a check? at a cost, yes below 100%, and reliability and efficiency? Turkey, in principle, will be pleased with this, if they are!))
  8. +7
    9 October 2013 11: 05
    Yes, yes, the same thing was said about Chinese radars, they are now loved in Latin America ....
  9. 0
    9 October 2013 11: 09
    competition, you know
    you see our steering will pay more and more attention to their high-tech industries, and training for these industries
  10. +3
    9 October 2013 11: 10
    won the tender in turkey, so they immediately became "antimonopolists"? is doubtful.
  11. HAM
    +1
    9 October 2013 11: 10
    "Sponges" have tinted, here you have "your" technologies.
  12. +3
    9 October 2013 11: 11
    "China has put an end to the monopoly of the United States and Russia in the field of long-range air defense systems" - with ... after all, they have extended design documentation for them!
  13. +2
    9 October 2013 11: 12
    The balabol is an author, as soon as the squinting people stop copying and do something of their own from 0, then the monopoly will come to an end, and in fact 1 the tender won is not an indicator for Turkey.
    1. +1
      9 October 2013 21: 05
      The Chinese expert is an interested person (if he doesn’t say something, tomorrow no one will know anything about him). So, all that he talked about a new Chinese missile system, pure profanity and an attempt to pass off wishful thinking with PR elements. Yes
  14. +2
    9 October 2013 11: 13
    Yes ... it’s not nice to cooperate with the Chinese in the field of military technology ...
  15. +3
    9 October 2013 11: 15
    China is still lagging behind the leading countries in the development of some modern weapons systems, the expert admits.
    Yes, understandable))) time is needed to steal the drawings or copy something .. yes to start production ..! Well, well done, of course, the nose in the wind keeps an instant reaction to the market conditions ..!
  16. Dromac
    +5
    9 October 2013 11: 16
    What a high self-esteem. Then why do you need a c400? in south america, crap one's pants with their radar. Sorry, but so far damp, you are only on the way. And we don’t need to feed the Chinese with new developments, if only bit by bit (it’s still not enough without it)
  17. +4
    9 October 2013 11: 25
    What is their own development !!!!! In the photo, a typical C300 is only in Chinese design. And the fact that it is more powerful than Russian, forgive me. Russia sells the castrated version of the C300 for export. The Chinese did not need to add a lot of work to cut what we cut.

    In addition, I will say. The country of NATO has given its preference to our development, and not mattresses. And just what they in NATO did not allow the Turks to buy from us directly.
  18. +1
    9 October 2013 11: 25
    From its own Chinese technology in this complex is only a camouflage pattern. Although, maybe someone copied it. With the Chinese will.
  19. avg
    +9
    9 October 2013 11: 32
    The end of the monopoly of the United States and Russia in the field of long-range air defense systems was not laid by China, but we ourselves, to put it mildly, not smart, in the field of arms trade. Next in line is the contract for the Su-35.
    1. 0
      9 October 2013 14: 50
      Yah you. Remember, these are PARTNERS !!!!! Aw !!! PARTNERS again))))))))))
  20. 0
    9 October 2013 11: 32
    Maybe this is our multi-way operation?
    Well, in general, let them buy, put, test, then we will listen to the reviews.
  21. +1
    9 October 2013 11: 33
    Ah yes, the Chinese, stole potatoes and pradavali a little bit.
  22. waisson
    +2
    9 October 2013 11: 35
    there is no copy of our own development, our price is they don’t know how quality they themselves are to blame it was necessary to think to whom what to sell
  23. +1
    9 October 2013 11: 49
    Let's wait and see what came out of their HQ-9 SAM. Whatever you say, but the complex is not fired, not time-tested. I do not claim that he is bad. Maybe he's damp. Like it or not, time will tell.
    1. +2
      9 October 2013 21: 39
      Quote: dimon-media
      Whatever you say, but the complex is not fired, not time-tested. I do not claim that he is bad. Maybe he's damp.

      SAM complex can not be damp. It can be either good (knocks down real rockets) or NO. It can be damp at the design or refinement stage, and not at the sale stage! bully
  24. avg
    +4
    9 October 2013 11: 52
    And here's another piece of news. Maybe all of life teaches something of ours?
    Russia and India are considering the possibility of producing Russian Sukhoi SuperJet-100 and MS-21 passenger aircraft in India, director of the Department of Asia and Africa of the Ministry of Economic Development Yevgeny Popov told reporters.
    India has already calculated, a Russian official said that in case of transfer of production, the cost of one machine can be "reduced to 40%." Earlier, Sukhoi Civil Aircraft considered moving production to China. Until they launched the launch of the Regional Advanced Regional Jet (ARJ21), our SSJ-100 could occupy an empty niche in the market. However, our experts were afraid that by entrusting their technology to Beijing, Russia would only help him quickly create his own plane.
    1. 0
      9 October 2013 12: 00
      Oh ... the brain has turned on! Now we need to think hard about whether to sell Su-35 to China.
    2. +5
      9 October 2013 14: 59
      The news is lousy .... Nehera, oh sorry, to create a technique, pouring into it AHULIARDS of the people and not quite money? I've been thinking in order to then build this equipment for a full production cycle and sell, as it is fashionable to say - high-tech, ugh, what kind of products. What do we see? To collect with someone there for a couple in a foreign country, it is not clear what qualifications of people are. Why do you need your own production facilities? Where are the workers and engineers going? It is more pleasant for me to hear: "dear, I got a raise in my salary, now we can buy a good house and pay for the institute for children" than to hear from the announcer of the first channel that: "Russia will receive $ 000000 billion in profit from joint production in India"
      "The wrong country was named ....."
  25. +2
    9 October 2013 11: 55
    I think in modern conditions you need something radically new to go on a break.
  26. demon ada
    0
    9 October 2013 11: 59
    happy for the Turks
    with a "lucky" purchase of you.
    and regarding the purchase of systems with Russian roots, this is the point.
    Now they’ll check, they will say all the delicate places, and by that time the s-500 will arrive in time, and they will sit in a puddle.
    will wait.
  27. +5
    9 October 2013 12: 00
    Quote: tank
    It is foolish to think the Chinese are dumber than themselves.
    conceptually they can’t create anything new. But this is generally hi)
    You generally understand that this is the only country that does EVERYTHING)))
    Look around you, and everything on your desk, everything is from China, including a computer))) If anything is assembled in Russia, then from Chinese components. Damn, yes, we launch rockets into space with Chinese spare parts !!!!


    I completely agree. The Chinese are slowly bypassing everyone and everywhere. It's only the beginning. The main thing is that all this growing power should be directed towards the "exceptional".
    1. 0
      10 October 2013 11: 16
      tennis RU Yesterday, 12:00 PM _131009 / wed

      Hello dear Victor!

      I agree with you. good fool The Chinese are slowly but surely ALREADY breaking out into LEADERS.

      And if someone arrogantly looks at them and spits “And with the saying that the Chinas are capable of something, how to steal and copy!”,
      tomorrow many of today's leaders will have their super-products COMPARE with CHINESE REACHABLE PRODUCT !!! angry

      And we all “sleep on Soviet pillows of advanced products”! But from the 80s that the new appeared in the vast post-USSR, is produced in large batches and the WHOLE WORLD buys them from us?

      Tell me such mass-produced products that are today a MODEL for the rest of the world ?!

      Do not be offended by the directness dear, but you have a lot of ambition!

      What do we all look like (post-USSR, RF, RB, CU, RK, RU) when comparing with the USA, Israel, Sweden, Germany, France, China, India?

      Maybe at first it’s worth it to think, and leave “the hoppy cries of Hurray” for later, when we again WILL BE FORWARD TO THE WHOLE PLANET, but now they are out of place. crying

      Sincerely, Mikhailo. hi
  28. SolomonSS
    0
    9 October 2013 12: 06
    It is very interesting to me. If this is an analogue of the S-300 (with its modifications), then this is the last day, and compared to the promising S-500 - last week. But after all, it remains a serious tool to be reckoned with. But in terms of quality, I think the Chinese counterparts of the air defense system can not be compared with our S-300PMU-2. My opinion is this, but we will see the reality of everything with time!
    1. 77bor1973
      0
      9 October 2013 21: 40
      As far as I know, they copied the launcher, which they could lick off the radar 30N6 and 36D6 - to copy the entire range of equipment for a bunch of modifications of the s-300 (of which there are about a dozen) - "the navel will untie." The missile, the main weapon of the complex, could not be copied (of which there are more than a dozen types), so it’s so puffed up — they say there is a more powerful radar of our own design.
  29. 0
    9 October 2013 12: 38
    Long range does not mean that accuracy is big! laughing
  30. +1
    9 October 2013 12: 39
    It’s interesting not the fact that China entered this area, but the comparison of air defense systems by performance characteristics! and test firing! otherwise it’s not always angry.
  31. +1
    9 October 2013 13: 06
    They’ve stolen, don’t stolen .. This is not important. There is only one thought, that we could not sell the S-300 to the Turks as it was somehow connected with Syria.
    1. Quiet
      0
      9 October 2013 13: 50
      . And the main thing is that they sold.

      Not yet sold. To win does not mean to sell ....
  32. +1
    9 October 2013 13: 46
    It is interesting to compare the filling, technical solutions. But in general - in vain we are selling modern weapons to China, one small arms would be enough. At one time, this good neighborliness will come to us and you. They have selfishness and nationalism - a national idea, although not aggressive so far.
  33. +4
    9 October 2013 14: 00
    Quote: Wedmak
    Yes, yes ... well done. I can do that too: fasten a pair of nuts and a more powerful pipe to some Mercedes and call it my own development. Geniuses ...

    To begin with, you have to assemble a "Mercedes" from spare parts made in your own garage, but after that you can "screw" a pipe to it and "pipe" to the whole world about your own genius.
    The Chinese are great, they don't stand still. The fact that they are engaged in shameless copyrighting and due to this, leapfrogging the technological gap is their advantage. It is also time for us to stop "caving in" to the Jewish laws on the protection of intellectual property, we need to study and copy successful technical solutions and steal (or more correctly - borrow) technological methods ... For ... it's time!
    1. 0
      9 October 2013 15: 27
      To begin with, you have to assemble a "Mercedes" from spare parts made in your own garage, but after that you can "screw" a pipe to it and "pipe" to the whole world about your own genius.

      Well, in principle, it’s entirely possible. If anything with the help of the neighbors in the garage, the Russian land has not become impoverished for men with hands ... Quality will certainly be appropriate. But a couple of hundred kilometers will pass, I think. laughing
      It is also time for us to stop "caving in" to the Jewish laws on the protection of intellectual property, we need to study and copy successful technical solutions and steal (or more correctly - borrow) technological methods ... For ... it's time!

      And turn into a second China? They didn’t steal anything, at least brazenly. They bought licenses for production, technology (sometimes for gold), samples. And then they did their own! Based on the experience of creating these very samples, when there was none.
  34. 0
    9 October 2013 14: 01
    It’s just that after a series of actions by Erdogan, it became difficult for the Turks to buy our S-300s. Again, the Yankees pressed on them. But they still need their own air defense. Where to go? So we went to the Chinese.
  35. Fortnite
    +1
    9 October 2013 14: 12
    ... the complex does not have a separate fire control radar, as on the Patriot and S-300

    And in the photo then what ??? sad
  36. Asan Ata
    +5
    9 October 2013 14: 35
    The people, of course today are Chinese goods in doubt. Remember - Israel also started - how did they steal two trucks of Mirage drawings? Who is casting doubt on Israeli technology today? China no longer hides its trump cards, right there, you can see right away: money, high-tech production, personnel, hundreds of thousands studying abroad, by the way, by the recognition of those who teach, they are the best students. I have no doubt that they are a superpower. Question: how to keep technology in the teeth? Today it is an ally of Russia, and tomorrow? hi
  37. 0
    9 October 2013 14: 36
    The Chinese Shanghai and Beijing cover our C300.
    1. +1
      9 October 2013 20: 28
      Quote: akv0571
      The Chinese Shanghai and Beijing cover our C300.

      Yes, this is not what we are talking about, we are talking about the progress of ideological China in such a short time, and we laugh at it. It's good that China is still a "friend" to us. And what will happen in 20 years? ...
  38. 0
    9 October 2013 14: 43
    Well yes. Everyone knows Chinese quality.
  39. +3
    9 October 2013 14: 46
    No one ever talked about monopoly, we are simply here by definition the best and that’s all. The title of the article is provocative.
  40. 0
    9 October 2013 14: 53
    Quote: Mareman Vasilich
    No one ever talked about monopoly, we are simply here by definition the best and that’s all. The title of the article is provocative.

    That's right. And the Turks pursued cheapness
  41. sergeybulkin
    +2
    9 October 2013 15: 02
    It looks like an exact copy of the C300, well, do not care. At wink pa !!! the Chinese invented the bicycle ii ... vparil it on the table to the Turks !!! wink
  42. pa_nik
    0
    9 October 2013 15: 05
    "China developed the HQ-9 based on its own technology, claiming that it is a copy of other systems is easy to refute ..."

    "…Thus, China does not follow simple imitation American and Russian technologies ... "

    ... but copies with its own "flavor"! hi
  43. 0
    9 October 2013 15: 21
    All this is garbage, at this stage, while the Chinese are releasing analogues, we are afraid of nothing that they write in the TTX, no one has tested or tested yet, here's an example — an innovative new-selling crossover of the latest model — they slammed the trunk — the panel screen went smoky and burned out, the electronics failed, the car does not start. As a result, the more difficult they start to produce, the more mistakes there are.
  44. 0
    9 October 2013 15: 32
    All countries once copied something. The Soviet Union also copied and not a few.
    The Chinese also copy, and if they copy, it means they are behind. When they can catch up is a big question. And a lot is needed for this. Remember that the Soviet Union passed to become a leader.
    How many ingenious designers spent their strength and health on this.
    Does China have this?
    The range and height of their complex is not the most important thing. What is the probability of defeat, what kind of overload can the missiles withstand, what kind of interference do not interfere with them? Well, reliability.
  45. 0
    9 October 2013 15: 34
    Need to produce a series of C700 and sell C350
  46. Daniil
    0
    9 October 2013 16: 19
    Excellent ... but China still did not get us: one has only to compare this Chinese complex with our S-500 Triumphant ... and thank God that these complexes are not exported.
    1. Nitup
      +1
      9 October 2013 16: 28
      Quote: DaniiL
      Excellent ... but China still did not get us: one has only to compare this Chinese complex with our S-500 Triumphant ... and thank God that these complexes are not exported.

      Before you compare it with the S-500, at least see it yourself, but for now you can only compare it with the S-400.
  47. stalker
    +1
    9 October 2013 16: 23
    Turks, of course, extremes, what would it take, apparently quite tight with money, but you need to buy something. Well now 50/50 that will function without failures) laughing
  48. 0
    9 October 2013 16: 58
    Not for nothing did the Americans "Motorola" collect
  49. 0
    9 October 2013 17: 15
    In China, goods are positioned in stores as follows:
    original
    copy
    fake.
    As if this product was not a fake, not a copy. Again, my son bought a fake of the NTS there, and she doesn’t hang anything she needs to do, the dog, not once. It is clear that lucky. But the Turks can get lucky. And the market will begin to successfully develop China.
  50. 0
    9 October 2013 17: 55
    The purchase of C-300 by the Chinese does not guarantee that they can reproduce the entire composition of technological chains for their own production of such equipment. For reproduction, not only a sample is required, but also all technological documents, technical and elemental base and much more. So, what they Already able to create analogues, it already says a lot, but the question arises whether this technique meets the declared capabilities or is it another technological incident?
  51. +1
    9 October 2013 18: 15
    China put an end to the monopoly of the United States and Russia in the area of ​​long-range air defense systems

    Come on... Let's say they managed to create a long-range slingshot. What about the probability of hitting the target? But the Turkish tender is not an indicator...
  52. 0
    9 October 2013 18: 16
    I scratched my turnip and remembered - it was not the S-22 that the Georgians shot down the TU-3M300. I scratched it again and thought and thought, thought and thought and came up with nothing - recourse
    My soul felt sad.
  53. 0
    9 October 2013 18: 26
    For example, the complex does not have a separate fire control radar, as on the Patriot and S-300; HQ-9 missiles have a more powerful active homing head (as far as can be understood from the text - “VP”).

    That’s the problem or their rocket itself knows when to jump out, oh yes they have a powerful head, so it’s not a matter of a powerful head - it’s important to use it skillfully. laughing
    And the Chinese paid the Turks extra or gave them something in addition so that they could buy it, so they show off to the whole world, like buy everything Chinese. Advertising and kickbacks are the engine of trade.
    1. 0
      9 October 2013 18: 55
      Quote: mhpv
      Here's the problem

      As paradoxical as it sounds, our Almaz-Antey engineers solved this problem when they signed a contract with South Korea for the supply of S-300 in 2009. The Koreans were also not satisfied with the presence of 2 radars and they proposed to make do with one. Ours strained and did it, combining the on-load tap-changer and radar sensor algorithms in one cabin. Apparently these technical solutions then came from South Korea to China.
  54. +3
    9 October 2013 18: 37
    During the conflict in Cyprus, Turkey stepped very hard on NATO, which declared an embargo on them. Therefore, the Turkish military is primarily concerned about technological independence and always buys military technologies, on the basis of which they do almost everything at their enterprises.
    For more than 5 years, Türkiye has announced a tender for the purchase of long-range air defense missile technology for independent production. But neither the United States nor Russia agreed to this. Now China has agreed to sell the stolen but converted technology, which in turn was kindly provided by Ukraine and Belarus for pennies. Belarus in 2008 sold air defense automated control systems technology to China, not caring about Russian protests.
    Several years ago I visited Aselsan enterprises, even then the technological base allowed them to begin production of air defense systems from the “0” cycle and air defense automated control systems. Actually, they were already producing short-range air defense systems and small phased array radars for detecting targets at low and medium altitudes. I think in 2-3 years Turkish air defense systems will be better than Chinese ones. And if they unite with China and jointly refine the air defense system, then it is very possible that they will catch up with Israel in missile defense technologies.
    1. +2
      9 October 2013 18: 55
      Quote: scientist
      For more than 5 years, Türkiye has announced a tender for the purchase of long-range air defense missile technology for independent production. But neither the United States nor Russia agreed to this. Now China has agreed to sell the stolen but converted technology, which in turn was kindly provided by Ukraine and Belarus for pennies. Belarus in 2008 sold air defense automated control systems technology to China,


      Turkey also has a space program for launching satellites; most likely, such technologies will also be received from China!
  55. 0
    9 October 2013 18: 52
    The entire history of Chinese “inventions” is pure theft, deception and counterfeiting! The Chinese even trace their kinship not from Homo Sapiens, but from supposedly their ancient ancestor! They are racists, too.
  56. +3
    9 October 2013 19: 43
    Some forum users laugh at Chinese technology and consumer goods. If time had remained frozen in the nineties, I would have laughed with everyone else too. But from my own experience as a signalman, I will say that Chinese communication technology, for example, produced by HUAWEI, is no worse than Western technology, and in terms of reliability it has surpassed Siemens and Lucent-Alcatel. Maybe only the Japanese NEC gives fewer failures during operation.
    I want to convey to everyone this fact: Where production (industry) is located, education and science inevitably follow. And where production leaves, education and science gradually degrade. Look around you and you yourself can name dozens of examples that I am right. If today China is not yet ready to produce something itself, then rest assured that in 5 years it will do so. But in the West (and in Russia) they have forgotten how to do many things, and attempts to restore lost technologies are being driven away by defects (Bulava, the fall of Protons).
    1. +1
      10 October 2013 00: 18
      Omskgazmyas SU Today, 19:43 _131009/Wed New

      Hello Victor!

      Can I contact YOU? How?

      Laughing at China for “their poor copy work” will cost you more.

      The real fact is that they are PROGRESSING quickly, just like the planned economy under Stalin. They have finance, production space, science is DEVELOPING and there is someone to choose from!

      Of the billion-plus, there definitely IS more talent than from Russia or the post-USSR.

      I personally don’t like this cheap trickery of some naive people who are confident in Russian exceptionalism.
      We already went through what in 1937-40 there were great heroes and mockers of a weak enemy!?

      Good night, Michael.
      (it’s early to get up at 03_55, and now I have BRA/GMT+1, 22:18_BRA).
      1. +1
        10 October 2013 03: 30
        Totally agree
  57. netishunUA
    0
    9 October 2013 19: 52
    Why do the Chinese come up with something new? Ours will sell new developments for rubles
  58. +2
    9 October 2013 20: 44
    Quote: Omskgazmyas
    Some forum users laugh at Chinese technology and consumer goods. If time had remained frozen in the nineties, I would have laughed with everyone else too. But from my own experience as a signalman, I will say that Chinese communication technology, for example, produced by HUAWEI, is no worse than Western technology, and in terms of reliability it has surpassed Siemens and Lucent-Alcatel. Maybe only the Japanese NEC gives fewer failures during operation.
    I want to convey to everyone this fact: Where production (industry) is located, education and science inevitably follow. And where production leaves, education and science gradually degrade. Look around you and you yourself can name dozens of examples that I am right. If today China is not yet ready to produce something itself, then rest assured that in 5 years it will do so. But in the West (and in Russia) they have forgotten how to do many things, and attempts to restore lost technologies are being driven away by defects (Bulava, the fall of Protons).

    I will not criticize Chinese products - I will take their unsurpassed quality as a dogma. I have a question for you. Are you aware that I, as a Russian sovok, deduct a small amount to pensioners through the tax service? Do you know that there are NO pensions in China? Do you know that in China you have to pay serious money for the right to thoroughly fuck your own wife? Do you know that cars in China are cheap, but the license plates for them are incredibly expensive?
    I will give the answer myself - you have no idea at all.
    1. +1
      10 October 2013 03: 56
      There's an elderberry in the garden, there's a guy in Kyiv. How does the fight against overpopulation in China relate to the quality of its goods? In China they fine for a second “extra” child, but here they pay money for the birth of children - they introduced “maternity capital”, and still the birth rate is even lower than the death rate.
      Here is a photo: Shanghai 1990 and 2010. The changes are visible even to the blind. And so is any city in China. China builds as many roads in 5 days as we do in a year. Most of the world's cement and steel is produced and consumed by just one country - China. Yes, they still have a lot of low-quality junk, but the government is committed to the development of modern technologies and they are making progress: the production of their own air defense systems is an example of this. You won’t say that the Turks are complete fools and only bought it when it’s cheap?
  59. 0
    9 October 2013 21: 01
    Vesti successfully showed a story for parents: if you throw away Chinese toys, then after a while children stop getting sick often and severely. Now our task, when the Turkish fighters start sneezing and coughing en masse, is to slip a similar idea to the Turkish generals in time. It’s an even more hellish idea to throw such an idea at us, even if with great American straightforwardness and unscrupulousness it promotes the idea of ​​harming the health of Chinese military toys, using sarin gas, tooth powder, pressure cookers, etc.
  60. 0
    9 October 2013 22: 07
    Quote: il-z
    Vesti successfully showed a story for parents: if you throw away Chinese toys, then after a while children stop getting sick often and severely. Now our task, when the Turkish fighters start sneezing and coughing en masse, is to slip a similar idea to the Turkish generals in time. It’s an even more hellish idea to throw such an idea at us, even if with great American straightforwardness and unscrupulousness it promotes the idea of ​​harming the health of Chinese military toys, using sarin gas, tooth powder, pressure cookers, etc.

    Another one has appeared. Our storage facility already has problems with recycling.
  61. +2
    9 October 2013 22: 48
    Quote: nikcris
    I scratched my turnip and remembered - it was not the S-22 that the Georgians shot down the TU-3M300.


    Yes. And then the only flyable Su-34 at that time arrived and demolished on historical soil all the radar and on-load monitoring devices that had the audacity to go on air.

    And further. Copying an MZKT chassis does not mean ensuring their characteristics
  62. +1
    10 October 2013 00: 38
    And what exactly got us all so “turned on” by the words of the Chinese manager? Türkiye didn’t buy the Russian S-300?! So this couldn't happen. Türkiye is a NATO country. The Americans are putting pressure on them for China, but for our complexes with Mr. they would be devoured. Plus, China is transferring technology to Turkey (the complexes will also be built in Turkey), and Russia and the United States would provide such a bonus? So everything is normal, what the Turks could buy, they bought.
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      10 October 2013 17: 00
      Türkiye didn’t buy the Russian S-300?! So this couldn't happen. Türkiye is a NATO country. The Americans are putting pressure on them for China, but they would gobble them up for our complexes with Mr.

      Really? And Greece bought the S-300PMU in 1999, while being a member of NATO.
  63. Mikkado31
    +1
    10 October 2013 00: 40
    Quote: nikcris
    Do you know that in China you have to pay serious money for the right to thoroughly fuck your own wife?


    I wonder if condoms are cheaper to buy?

    According to the subject: transferring technology to China is digging your own grave.
  64. +1
    10 October 2013 09: 07
    Such a signal....signal a knock on the door in our direction....do not sell the latest designs to the Chinese, or sell heavily cropped ones, or develop some kind of licensing agreement. For these HQ-9s, if ours did everything wisely, right now Russia’s grandmothers would pay for licensed production....however, let the gentlemen from Rosoboronexport think, otherwise China will soon sell everything for them, and they will be the sixes supplying piece goods to the Chinese, guess why?
  65. 0
    10 October 2013 11: 28
    Quote: Asan Ata _131009/sre
    ... hundreds of thousands of personnel study abroad, by the way, according to those who teach, they are the best students. I have no doubt that they are a superpower. Question: How to keep technology behind your teeth? Today it is an ally of Russia, but tomorrow? hi

    Hello Asan-Ata!

    Your question is spot on! You are right, but which of the “occupation authorities” in the post-USSR (with the exception of the Republic of Belarus) is interested in what will happen tomorrow, in 5 and 10 years?

    Everyone lives for today, how to steal/pardon s_reform, and then call “a thief and traitor to the Motherland” a “witness” instead of “the accused” and “punished according to the law.”
    So we won’t go far, we’ll just end up again all a couple of meters closer “to the edge of the abyss.”

    I hope everyone has a nice day, Mikhailo.
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  67. Druid
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    13 October 2013 02: 38
    Quote: bif
    the Chinese do not trust their air defense systems
    Or maybe they were developed after problems with the Russian one.