Statistics of stagnation of the Russian economic system. There are no guilty? ..

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The Ministry of Economic Development of Russia recently reported on the trends in the domestic economy from January to early September 2013. The report was the most negative in recent times. Since the beginning of the year, GDP in Russia has grown by only 1,5%, although at the beginning of the year, government agencies announced plans for 3,6% growth for the year. In order to achieve these plans, our economy must literally take off, and take off now and grow in the time remaining before the end of the year, at least twice as many as it showed in the eight months of 2013.

Drawing an analogy with the marathon runners, the Russian economy should at the last marathon breakthrough from the fifth dozen to get into the leading group. And if in sports this often happens, as professionals, using appropriate tactics, can purposefully keep themselves not in the first roles to put down the vigilance of rivals, then with the economy (and not only Russian), this option can be simply excluded, given its current state. What is it, this state?

If you believe the statistics of the same Ministry of Economic Development, then the last recorded GDP growth in the country was determined already in July. At the end of the second summer month, the economy grew by 0,2% (well, at least that way) (2,4% in average annual equivalent). In August of this year, growth was 0%, in other words, no growth was demonstrated at all. Now it is worth summing up September, but so far the results do not officially represent. In the ministry itself, this is motivated by the fact that it is “still too early,” but outside economists have other considerations on this matter: in September, growth could also be zero (as in August), and the worst case the economy could have declined. Indirectly, this fact was confirmed by Dmitry Medvedev, speaking at the XII International Investment Forum in Sochi. His phrase:

Forecasts for the development of the Russian economy have shifted from cautious optimism to expert pessimism


says a lot.

Statistics of stagnation of the Russian economic system. There are no guilty? ..


The phrase “expert pessimism” can be deciphered as “and there’s nothing to think about 3,6 percent growth predicted at the beginning of the year. At least at the current value to stretch.

Experts, including those who continue to believe in the Russian financial and economic system, now predict only 1,8% of GDP growth for the year. What is 1,8%? In fact, this is nothing ... A value that fits into a mathematical error. However, this value still needs to be reached.

Prime Minister Medvedev at the same Sochi forum announced that under the current situation in which the Russian economy is located, the danger of zero growth is close.

Indeed, it is close ... Very near is looming. At the same time, it is somehow strange to hear all this from the state husband, who is one of the first in the country and is called upon to solve problems of increasing the rate of economic growth. Medvedev, on the other hand, expresses himself as if the economic model had been lined up and regulated all this time by a non-existent power, but by someone else — an unknown uncle putting extremities to the financial system like an elephant in a china shop. They say that some rogues ruled here, you know, crooks who reduced all growth to absolute zero, and now we need to do something about it ... So you, Dmitry Anatolyevich, together with another representative of the “tandem”, managed to do so. Or not? .. If not, then this is already interesting ... Who then?

It turns out that Dmitry Medvedev only states that the current state of the economy is close to stagnation, but he sees no fault of his own, like no fault of his office. The first phrase, which the Prime Minister expressed during his speech to potential investors, was of the following character: the Russian economy has long been a part of the global financial system. In other words: gentlemen from among the critics of the work of the Government, turn off! They say that the world market is to blame, and "we are here indulging in buns" only.

If the Russian economy is stuck in globalization, then we will pay attention to the state of affairs in other economies of the world in order to compare the situation. First, let's turn to the current forecast for the BRICS countries. The forecast for China's annual economic growth today is 7,5-7,6% (4,2 is more than Russian), the forecast for India’s GDP growth is 4,8% (2,7 is higher than Russian), Brazil’s GDP growth forecast is at least 3% (1,2 is higher than Russian ), similar to the Brazilian indicators in the economy of South Africa. It turns out that the growth of Russian GDP is the lowest compared to any of the BRICS countries.
Let us proceed to examine the situation with economic growth in a number of countries of the former USSR. The current forecast for Azerbaijan is 4%, for Kazakhstan it is 4,8-5%. Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are leading here with 7% growth for everyone. Many will say: well, that's all right - where, for example, in Tajikistan, the economy still has to fall? However, you can invent any explanations and excuses for this, but the fact remains: Tajikistan in terms of economic growth rates in 3,9 times overtakes the Russian Federation ...

In terms of economic growth among the republics of the former USSR, we (Russia), according to the forecasts of the IMF and the internal economic institutions of each of the states, are ahead of only Kyrgyzstan (1,4% forecast) and Ukraine (0% forecast). As they say, it’s a shame for the power ...

It is a shame not so much for the fact that one of our neighbors has overtaken Russia in terms of economic growth rates (for most of our neighbors, one can only rejoice), but for the fact that the economic policy pursued in the country in the presence of enormous natural resources, scientific and industrial potentials literally puts on all these potentials and resources is a bold cross. Instead of starting work, rolling up our sleeves, the chairman of the government announces to us that the global economy is forcing this very government to cut budget spending, and this still “should not touch” the commitments made to ensure the social sector. Like, we’ll cut the budget by 5%, but we’ll pay for everything, we’ll provide everything, we’ll build everything - you see, you just have to believe ...

Instead of starting work, we are again told that part of the public sector should be given into the hands of a private trader, who, you see, by definition, will manage this property better. That is, it turns out that at the Sochi forum the prime minister has already officially signed that the cabinet as a management structure is useless, and that the built economic system is destructive in its essence. What we, according to Medvedev, should draw from all this conclusion? Yes, the conclusion, by and large one: indispensable does not happen.

But about the "sell to private owners", so for this big mind is not needed. Sell ​​and any cook is able to ... Here to make money, earn money, pass it on to future generations - this is where talent is needed.
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  1. +62
    3 October 2013 08: 14
    Instead of starting work, we are again announced that part of the public sector should be given into the hands of a private trader,
    In the recent past, they gave back a part (thank God, not all) Now we are reaping the benefits and will have to recover for a long time .. I can only characterize Medvedev and his office obscene (it doesn’t turn out otherwise) angry
    1. +54
      3 October 2013 08: 22
      The culprits have already been named, they are ordinary people who work poorly and ask for a salary. All the rest of the Dartanyans
      1. +14
        3 October 2013 18: 33
        Quote: Civil
        The culprits have already been named, they are ordinary people who work poorly and ask for a salary.

        I have already been bullied by these legends about labor productivity. If we work in the press of the 30s
        even though you can’t stand cancer, even though you can’t write out an American, you can’t produce more than it already produces. But the fact that these wonderful businessmen do not want to modernize production and often just finish it, stupidly milk it. Why is it not customary for us to say !?
        1. +2
          4 October 2013 09: 26
          And good foreign investors, by the way, bring progress to the country. Over the past few years, many factories have been mounted on 70's equipment exported from the West. Isn't that progress (compared to the 30's press)? sad
    2. +32
      3 October 2013 08: 22
      If the government we all adore says that "hard times" are coming (censored), it means in reality in general ........ (removed by censorship).
      It's time to buy salt, matches and shotgun cartridges.
      1. +22
        3 October 2013 13: 51
        Quote: DMB 1995
        If the government we all adore says that "hard times" are coming

        TO
        Russian scientists have discovered a strange pattern: as soon as the government allocates a billion for any purpose, a new billionaire appears in the country.
    3. +32
      3 October 2013 08: 24
      Quote: MIKHAN
      . I can only characterize Medvedev and his cabinet obscene (language doesn’t turn out differently ..)

      Well, there are only two on the galleys ......, the rest on the shore winked , therefore, the GDP is almost zero. wassat
      1. Yarosvet
        +6
        3 October 2013 16: 51
        Quote: Tersky
        on this and the GDP is almost zero
        1. denn
          -1
          3 October 2013 19: 21
          How much has earned already on trolling? Saved up for life in the master’s homeland?
          1. New Russia
            +4
            3 October 2013 21: 48
            State Department? :) Yes, these bastards want to deprive us of our Putin :) Everyone who is against Putin, agents of the State Department, said so on the first channel :)
            1. +1
              3 October 2013 21: 51
              in order to put the video when you click to answer, there are icons on top, there is an icon next to big A, click and throw the link there
              1. New Russia
                0
                3 October 2013 22: 06
                Yes, they already explained to me, thanks :)
            2. +1
              4 October 2013 09: 24
              Good day to you!

              It is pleasant to read the answers from "convinced supporters of comrade Putin."

              But his words and promises are not enough for me, and the results - alas, say that BBB is exactly the same "doll on strings" like others! sad

              He simply has opposite roles with DAM
              "Strong and unbending VVM <> weak and pliable LADY",

              that alas, a crude parody of the script from the cop: “a good and evil policeman” (many have already written about this before me).


              And what do you say, in 20 years, when much of their hidden today will become EXPLICIT!?
              Where do you start tearing your hair?
              1. +1
                4 October 2013 09: 28
                Quote: michajlo
                Where do you start tearing your hair?

                But how do we know from what place you abroad will start to tear your hair. Bought osbnyachok for "honestly earned" and sit yelling.
                1. 0
                  4 October 2013 10: 14
                  Alexander Romanov (1) RU Today, 09:28 _131004 / Fri
                  But how do we know from what place you abroad will start to tear your hair. Bought osbnyachok for "honestly earned" and sit yelling.


                  Good afternoon, Alexander!

                  Firstly, it is customary for raised people to say hello.

                  Secondly, I will be glad to exchange thoughts and conclusions with you; some of your remarks are very close to me in essence.

                  Regarding the fact that someone “screams” from a distance, and you “talk close”, you may as well start your own health / this is the main thing, contact an Otolaryngologist, the signs of “selective deafness” in your clinical case may portend different and even irreversible consequences...

                  Please answer me dear, one question:

                  - Why do you have Russian members of the forum such an antipathy to people living past the vastness of Russia and the post-USSR?
                  “Why are you so jealous of us?”
                  “And why don't you“ perceive ”us / don’t see us?”

                  I specifically do not affect the commonality or difference of our views with you. We are all different, it is a fact.
                  And it depends only on us whether we will look for what UNITS us.
                  Or, to the delight of “our friends” from the West, will we constantly “dog” for any reason and without it?

                  By the way, please answer me another simple question:
                  - To whom are quarrels between us on the open spaces of the post-USSR beneficial?

                  Thank you for your time, Mikhailo. hi
                  1. 0
                    4 October 2013 13: 57
                    And why should we treat people like you with sympathy ?! Have you ever read the article carefully ?!
                    And declare
                    But his words and promises are not enough for me, and the results - alas, say that BBB is exactly the same "doll on strings" like others!


                    You, yes, know best what is happening in our country. wink
                    I wrote a comment below, I hope Alex will answer me on it. Read carefully for the future.
                    1. 0
                      4 October 2013 15: 11
                      31231 RU Today, 13:57 _131004 / Fri

                      Good afternoon, dear Sergey!

                      Thank you for your remark, do not blame me for evaluating only “-”.
                      To begin with, I will say frankly that I am not a "red girl", therefore, someone's sympathies and "languid sighs" are useless for me. smile


                      Let me repeat to you my question to Alexei, to which I have not yet received an answer, even a negative one.
                      ... .................
                      Please answer me dear, one question:

                      - Why do you have Russian members of the forum such an antipathy to people living past the vastness of Russia and the post-USSR?

                      “Why are you so jealous of us?”

                      - And why do you not "perceive" us / hate us?
                      ... ...................

                      Where do you, and many other members of the forum, have such a “firm / stone conviction” that everyone who lives in the EU / Central Europe and in Western too, no matter that they are “their own” Germans, Spaniards, Czechs or Slovaks (this is mine) or emigrants from the post-USSR (my case),
                      - all, without exception, live in large houses, have several cars and even one with a driver and also “other tales” for gullible inhabitants from the former USSR and the Department of Internal Affairs? what

                      Or is it still childish for you: "All not from my yard - bastards"! fool
                      1. +1
                        4 October 2013 16: 42
                        I will answer in order. I note that I am responsible only for my opinion, and not for all Russians.
                        1.
                        - Why do you have Russian members of the forum such an antipathy to people living past the vastness of Russia and the post-USSR?

                        I have antipathy for those who have left abroad in one case, when they write an unintelligible negative. I also have an antipathy to our "all-foul" people. Phrase
                        "and the results - alas, they say that BBB is exactly the same" doll on strings "like the others!"

                        what is it based on? what is BBB? why is it a "doll on strings"? Do you pull this "doll" yourself?
                        2.
                        “Why are you so jealous of us?”

                        Thank. Neighing. Where did you decide from my comments that I have envy for you ?!
                        3
                        - And why do you not "perceive" us / hate us?

                        Again, repeat your first question just by thickening the paint. I do not perceive, see the answer above. Hate altogether forgotten how.
                      2. +1
                        4 October 2013 18: 12
                        Good afternoon, dear Sergey!

                        Thank you for your reply. I think a lot has cleared up.

                        I wish you all the best, Mikhailo.
                  2. 0
                    4 October 2013 15: 50
                    Quote: michajlo
                    Firstly, it is customary for raised people to say hello.

                    Hello! Who wants. That greets or with those whom I know. With each troubles, there are hundreds of people on the site
                    Quote: michajlo
                    , maybe you should start with your own health / this is the main thing, turn to the Otolaryngologist, signs of "selective deafness"

                    In this case, you should go to the ophthalmologist, well, or buy glasses. Maybe among the politicians in Russia you name the one who has done more in the last 10 years?
                    Quote: michajlo
                    “Why are you so jealous of us?”

                    to whom you don’t make me laugh. Now it’s not the 90s, and many in Russia live much better than you in the geo-system. I do not like democracy and everything connected with it. We in Russia see our problems BETTER than you from the geo-city.
                    Quote: michajlo
                    - To whom are quarrels between us on the open spaces of the post-USSR beneficial?

                    It is beneficial to someone that Putin does not die, do not answer who there in Europe and the United States so want it?
                    1. +2
                      4 October 2013 18: 56
                      Good afternoon, dear Alexander!

                      Thank you for your reply. The form of appeal is by itself on you. I hope that you will not be offended, for my old-fashionedness, to contact you by name.

                      In this case, you need an optometrist, or buy glasses. Maybe among the politicians in Russia you name the one who has done more in the last 10 years?

                      I will answer you with a question, but what in Russia or any other country of Eurasia, someone chose someone?
                      Putin, if I remember, was "put on the kingdom" EBN. Or do you consider the theatrical pair "VVP <> LADIES" an accident? In my opinion, this is just a familiar and well-functioning "directors from behind the scene" trick. If the trick "good <> bad cop" works for ordinary people and criminals, then for the people such a "duet" is needed.

                      Swearing and uterus from indignant people (due to flooding and a fall in the exchange rate and prices) will Medvedev (he has such a role), although I personally assume that he is not so stupid and weak-willed, but “his role” must be worked out.
                      Praise for all the good (the sun, day, “Indian summer”, high oil and gas prices, criticism of the “negligent” and new decrees when old ones are not fulfilled), as usual, already belongs to Putin. Or I'm wrong?

                      The difference between Putin and EBN, ICG is only that he does not repeat the words of others “Perestroika, acceleration, freedom by the subject of the federation, etc.”, he does not drink, he regularly kisses the crosses and beats the bells. In a word, it looks positive.

                      But when compared with the same Lukashenko / RB (there is nothing to say about my native Ukraine), in my opinion, it loses a lot. The latter has a functioning socialist country and a fair way of life, its own healthy food, although in economic and financial terms the Republic of Bashkortostan is not the Russian Federation, and if the "father" had mineral resources like Russia or Kazakhstan, then I think that the WELL-BEING of the people would grow in the Republic of Belarus. NOT number of billionaires / RF, RK, Ukraine.

                      Continuation # 2 >>>
                      1. +2
                        4 October 2013 19: 07
                        Continuation No.2

                        to whom you don’t make me laugh. Now it’s not the 90s, and many in Russia live much better than you in the geo-world. they don’t like democracy and everything connected with it. In Russia, OUR problems are visible to us BETTER than to you from the geological survey.

                        Where are you in my Notes, have you read calls for Democracy (democracy), concern for “sexual minorities”?
                        Are you at least sure you wrote a response to my comments? Or, because of my place of residence, you put me in the group of "bad sheep"?

                        It is beneficial to someone that Putin does not die, do not answer who there in Europe and the United States so want it?

                        You see with many interesting and impressive statements to me, you think, either “in debt to the service / in the interests of your wallet”, that my or any other criticism of Putin as president who indulges himself (or is forced to fulfill “requests / orders”) to the aligarchs and “reformers / pests”,
                        that it all comes from the West (although yes fact, I live in Slovakia / EU from 2004),
                        and not a desire to advise you simply not to step on the "already beaten rake"!

                        Or are these thoughts of foreign forum users, heresy for you?

                        It is here in Slovakia, regardless of the prime ministers (here the prime minister’s rule),
                        all Prime Ministers, their ministers, "languid assistants" stole and steal ABSOLUTELY (they are everywhere such sneakers, they will crawl into bed where seasoned scouts and saboteurs rescue).
                        Everyone knows this, but since the people are kind, the Western Slavs (Slovaks), the authorities REMOVED everything that was, now soon the “rubber band from cowards” will be pulled out from the well-meaning citizens.

                        The difference between Russia, the post-Soviet Socialist Republic of Europe and Europe is only that here the authorities scold and swear often and everywhere (in censorship terms), and no The Prime Minister, the Minister, the President do not respond to criticism, "Yes, imprison him s_k_, on the bunk!".

                        Everyone understands that the state pays him salaries, mansions, cars, planes, helicopters, guards, and HE DOES NOT have the right “to personal grievances for criticism” and “to critics,” although it happens that the authorities take revenge, but the whole public is already there spits, regardless of parties and non-partisans.
                      2. +2
                        5 October 2013 06: 41
                        Quote: michajlo

                        I will answer you with a question, but what in Russia or any other country of Eurasia, someone chose someone?

                        I won’t speak for other countries, but there are elections in Russia. Do not look at the Western media that speak about the dishonesty of the elections in Russia.
                        Quote: michajlo
                        Putin, if I remember, was "put on the kingdom" EBN

                        As far as I remember EBN has resigned, and why? are you sure that EBN put Putin, not Putin gently kicked EBN. Yes and compare Putin and drunk Yeltsin negative
                        Quote: michajlo
                        Swearing and uterus from indignant people (due to flooding and falling rates and prices) will go to Medvedev

                        I live in the Far East and here more than one person doesn’t run into Medvedev or Putin because of the flood, don’t write about what you don’t know.
                        Quote: michajlo
                        Or I'm wrong?

                        Very much!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        Quote: michajlo
                        . In a word, it looks positive.

                        If a person looks positive, is that bad?
                        Quote: michajlo
                        Are you at least sure that you wrote an answer to my comments?

                        Your statements are that Putin is bad and needs to be removed, but you don’t say who to put in place of Putin. You are ready to destroy the system, but you don’t have an understanding of how to restore it. Putin’s main thing is to remove, it will be better or worse from this, it’s not important for you. You sit in Europe and worry about Russia. How patriotic it is wink
                        Quote: michajlo
                        “In debt service / in the interests of his wallet

                        It is not strange, but it is you who accuse me of working out money! You did not answer the question
                        Quote: michajlo
                        Or are these thoughts of foreign forum users, heresy for you?

                        Yes, because I know better here in Russia than you.
                        Quote: michajlo
                        The only difference between Russia, the post-Soviet Socialist Republic of Europe and Europe is that here the authorities scold and swear often and everywhere (in censorship terms),

                        And we can’t wassat I heard it recently from McKein, who said that for speaking out against the authorities they put him in jail. laughing My advice to you, come to Russia and live here! Or did you receive political asylum for the theft of 100 million from the budget of Russia laughing
                      3. 0
                        5 October 2013 15: 23
                        Good afternoon, dear Alexander!

                        Thank you for your time spent on my answers. smile According to their punctuality, your desire to “crush” each of my proposals expressed, I see that my questions to you and my answers have led you somewhat.
                        I think that you will not be offended by me if we end our exchange of views, as both your and my position are clearly marked. drinks
                        Please forgive me if I reluctantly “drained” your “emotional batteries” like KBSL (there used to be such square shapes with 3 cylindrical elements inside for a total voltage of 3x1,5 = 4,5V). hi

                        I hope that in the future, in response to notes from other foreign members of the forum, you will no longer write in this form that “someone is yelling from abroad”? In the event that you have such an accepted level of utterances, then I will no longer be surprised at your style.

                        Regarding the trip to the Far East, I would be glad to go there not for a couple of days, but at least for weeks or months, and see for myself the region and the people living there. I heard a lot of interesting and good things about the Far East, Siberia, and the North, but so far I have not been there. Perhaps my wishes will come true sometime. We will see.

                        PS
                        I don’t have 100 million "honestly stolen" euros, "I didn’t have an upbringing and face," you are probably flattering me. But do you think such "frank and direct" men like me would be mistaken for a neighbor in your Far East?

                        Goodbye, Michael.
                      4. 0
                        6 October 2013 06: 09
                        Quote: michajlo
                        I think that you will not be offended by me if we end our exchange of views, as both your and my position are clearly marked.

                        You do not have it !!! You only have the slogan Dolina Putin.
                        Quote: michajlo
                        But do you think such "frank and direct" men like me would be mistaken for a neighbor in your Far East?

                        I don’t think honesty is respected here. You write about what you don’t know, especially about the Far East.
                      5. 0
                        6 October 2013 11: 27
                        Good morning, dear Alexey!

                        Thank you for the answer!

                        You do not have it !!! You only have the slogan Dolina Putin.


                        Well, if you see between my lines, and the same thing that I did not put there, I take off my hat to your insight. Maybe it would be better for you to fall for radiologists, would you see all the “neoplasms” in the patient’s body without complex instruments !?

                        If I understand you correctly, then any lack of enthusiastic cries “Glory to the Kremlin helmsman”, “Thank you comrade president, what do you think about us (aligarchs)”
                        and an offer or appeal according to yours, to think first, before shouting “Hurray to the sun”,
                        - it automatically means “Down with Putin”, “Guarantor to the wall”,
                        - and since I personally like the style and results of Lukashenko,
                        - Does this mean Lukashenka to the Kremlin !?

                        It is strange that at the same time my many remarks about how the authority of Russia in the world and in the EU and in particular Putin grew, you “looked through”, as well as the fact that I do not understand his “duplicity”,

                        - when in foreign policy - he is a patriot and a worthy representative of the people and

                        - and in comparison with the internal one - where he is the “flying-diving” keeper of aligarchs, corrupt officials and reformers / pests.

                        Here then I honestly do not understand his “camouflage” and “the legends of the KGB officer”?

                        How would you Aleksey, have I explained this “two-faced Janus / Putin” to the confused? After all, I think from your distance (from Slovakia / the EU) I see little and do not understand a damn thing.

                        I don’t think honesty is respected here. You write about what you don’t know, especially about the Far East.

                        Well, since you accuse me of dishonesty, for this you probably have put aside a lot of “on-pulled quotes” from my Notes. You can calmly continue to collect and view them. What you write so confidently about is not found anywhere.

                        Well, why did I write about the Far East? What i don't know and I “wanted to open my eyes”, especially if the truth is that you write that you live there.

                        If you have time, please clarify to me the "nonsense about the Far East" I have written, which I have not yet visited.

                        Thanks in advance, Michael.
    4. +32
      3 October 2013 08: 29
      What efficiency gains can we talk about? The oligarchs are also oligarchs because they know how to turn money around, and not because they increase someone’s efficiency.
      If someone begins to hang noodles on the ears about improving efficiency through “privatization” - you know, a person is lying to your face. The real goal is to replenish someone’s pockets. Do not you think that someone will buy a non-working enterprise? And since the business is ready to pay money for the “asset”, it means that it plans to recapture the costs. And life shows that usually costs beat off in 3-4 years.
      In the West it is called “privatization of profit, nationalization of losses”. Those. profit goes to private individuals, and losses from their activities are corrected by the state.
      1. +15
        3 October 2013 10: 12
        Already got through with this privatization, it’s not necessary to sell off for the benefit of oneself created by many generations.
        Isn't it time, despite "that we are not 37 years old," to ask the Chairman and members of the Government, as members of the executive branch of the state responsible for the effective operation of the Russian economy, for negligence and inability to work.
        Russia was turned into a state that had almost lost its sovereignty due to a failed economic policy.
        And as Putin said at a recent meeting of the presidential council “Russia cannot exist without sovereignty, it will fall apart”. After all, the President sees what is going on, but why, as the guarantor of the Constitution, does not take proper measures. Or such a situation suits him.
        1. +22
          3 October 2013 10: 55
          Obviously, this situation of the GDP suits if, against the background of calls to tighten their belts, it has once again raised the salaries of federal leaders ... Thus, the gap between the average salary in the country and the income of top officials (where the salary is only a part of income) is 15-20 times ... This situation is typical only for a number of African countries, and in developed countries it does not exceed 4-7 times ... The experts of "deep milking" of the budget, in response to such care, promised to work even better ...
          1. 0
            3 October 2013 16: 41
            Quote: ranger
            Obviously, this situation is satisfactory for GDP if, against the background of calls to tighten their belts, it once again raised the salary of federal leaders.

            Unfortunately for me, you are wrong.
            Salaries to federal officials will not be increased (military personnel included)
            1. Yarosvet
              +2
              3 October 2013 16: 56
              Quote: Vasya
              Salaries to federal officials will not increase

              I did not see a refutation
              1. +1
                4 October 2013 14: 04
                I clicked on the insert and smiled. Such modest wages at the top ?! It surprised me personally. I thought they had salaries for "sotochku".
                1. Yarosvet
                  +3
                  4 October 2013 14: 41
                  Quote: 31231
                  Such modest salaries at the top?

                  Plus a bonus of 6-7 salaries, plus all kinds of allowances (total in the Lyama region), plus an almost complete state security.
                  1. 0
                    4 October 2013 14: 46
                    As for the prize, throw something serious.
                    1. Yarosvet
                      0
                      4 October 2013 18: 51
                      Quote: 31231
                      As for the prize, throw something serious.


                      Decree 763 (in the WG with a lot of interesting links), but it is better to first read the article
                      1. -1
                        4 October 2013 19: 19
                        AND?! In the decree, the amount of the award is stipulated ?!
                        In general, for the future, if you scoop such information, it is only from the tax return of these persons. And not the fabrications of newspapers.
                      2. Misantrop
                        +3
                        4 October 2013 19: 21
                        Quote: 31231
                        from the tax return of these persons
                        Compared to the tax returns of these individuals, the infamous Wikipedia is a model of truthfulness. lol
                      3. 0
                        4 October 2013 19: 58
                        In the declaration, it is precisely their official earnings in the Kremlin that will be indicated. But the fact that they have on the left-hand side will not get by itself.
                      4. Yarosvet
                        +3
                        4 October 2013 19: 42
                        Quote: 31231
                        AND?! In the decree, the amount of the award is stipulated ?!

                        Never worked with documents?

                        It is difficult to go to the WG and follow the links?

                        Or do you need to poke a finger in each letter, since faith in the head clerk does not allow you to see the obvious?
                      5. +1
                        4 October 2013 20: 40
                        I just dialed the following information from the Kremlin website http://www.kremlin.ru/news/11171
                        The Decree says:
                        “To recognize as invalid: Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of July 5, 2009. No. 742 “On Amending the Regulation on the Interdepartmental Commission of the Security Council of the Russian Federation on Security in the Economic and Social Sphere, approved by the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of October 28, 2005. No. 1244 ”(Meeting of the legislation of the Russian Federation, 2009, No. 27, Art. 3343);

                        Order (not Decree) No. 741 is mentioned only in the affairs of the Cossacks and the abolition of its paragraph. In the documents I began to search by date, I found some kind of delusional decree of Medvedev.
                        Decree (Order) No. 739 does not appear at all.
                        Maybe you look at official, not journalistic sites?
                      6. Yarosvet
                        +1
                        4 October 2013 21: 09
                        Quote: 31231
                        Order (not Decree) No. 741 mentioned
                        Look under your post from today at 20:16


                        Decree (Order) No. 739 does not appear at all.
                        Maybe you look at official, not journalistic sites?
                      7. +1
                        4 October 2013 21: 55
                        Looked at all the Edicts, thanks. Sorry not an accountant. And it would be easier to figure it out.
                      8. Yarosvet
                        0
                        4 October 2013 19: 55
                        Here is an example for you
                      9. +1
                        4 October 2013 20: 16
                        You should at least have dialed the number of this order on the Kremlin website and looked what will be in the search.
                        For September 30 in the documents there is no such Decree. Can you find it? Only not in the yellow press.
                      10. Yarosvet
                        0
                        4 October 2013 20: 46
                        What didn’t you like there?
                      11. +2
                        4 October 2013 22: 00
                        I figured it all out. Thank. It’s just that the date in the scan of the decree you quoted is September 30, and on the Kremlin’s website they passed on October 01.
            2. +1
              4 October 2013 14: 14
              In my comment it is written that the salaries of the HEADS at the federal level are increased and there is not a word about ordinary federal employees .. Read more carefully ...
    5. Fin
      +22
      3 October 2013 09: 15
      part of the public sector should be given into the hands of a private trader, who, you see, by definition will manage this property better.

      Such as Medvedev, Dvorkovich, Surkov, Bilalovs were still small in the early 90s and did not have time to "privatize" anything. There are still tasty pieces, how can you miss them.
      But the fact that nothing good can be expected from them is a fact. In peacetime they are useless, in war they are dangerous.
    6. +13
      3 October 2013 11: 40
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I can only characterize Medvedev and his cabinet obscene

      laughing Well, yes, a doll on a thread, to burn so that the people calm down, it would be time for the liberals to stop making Western gentlemen out of themselves and look to the west. It's time to turn your back. Well, GDP must have fallen, but he didn’t fall, it was dropped there in the West, it was specially dropped and help was just like that, no one will be for us, and what do you want CAPITALISM with a wolf face, each for itself. Or did you think it would be different, especially after an independent foreign policy pursued by the Kremlin? If you want to be great, be them, if you can, to earn your own greatness. It is time to begin to recalculate the trade balance and translate it into categories, at an added cost, 70% of goods sold for export by Russia, these are raw materials with zero added value, for that we buy cars and iPhones, etc., whether it is necessary to explain the difference in the price value between a piece of aluminum in 1 KG and the cost of parts for the same amount ?, and this is 1 imported aluminum part weighing 10 grams! Everything else goes to them to develop their production + jobs + salary + purchasing power + economy and so on in a circle? Because they live there like cheese in butter. So much for the imbalance of the trade balance, we bring down at least worthless, but our production, but we sponsor the West, giving them our market, developing their industry and economy. Realities have changed, today Sovereignty is not only when EARTH, WATER AND AIR belong to the state, it is also a MARKET. What will such a policy lead, sooner or later? It’s clear to addiction and a bunch of hungry mouths! And poverty is known, it breeds revolution ... There is only one way out TOTAL IMPORT SUBSTITUTION (Khazin says the case), budget money alone can increase GDP by a couple of percent and contribute to the development of production and small business, and if every citizen makes it a rule to acquire only the Union, then in general we can overtake the Chinese in terms of GDP. So gentlemen, in order to be strong and politically independent on the world stage, we must first learn how to provide for ourselves, and therefore be prepared to work hard from dusk to dawn! And this should be the defining state policy and lifestyle of every person!
      1. Cpa
        +5
        4 October 2013 00: 01
        To buy something allied, you need to produce everything allied, and not something. Recently I bought a Russian pump, copied from Chinese, which was copied from the Soviet. belay
    7. honest jew
      +22
      3 October 2013 11: 58
      If the brothel does not generate income, then it makes no sense to rearrange the beds! You just need to change whores !!! hi
      1. -13
        3 October 2013 12: 25
        Quote: honest Jew
        If the brothel does not generate income, then it makes no sense to rearrange the beds! You just need to change whores !!!

        Yes, it’s honestly in Jewish, so go ahead, try yourself, change your brain. hi And we will see. fool
        1. honest jew
          +7
          3 October 2013 12: 55
          Quote: SPACE
          Yes, it’s honestly in Jewish, so go ahead, try yourself, change your brain. And we will see.


          after what word to laugh ??? belay hi
          1. -1
            3 October 2013 13: 16
            Quote: honest Jew
            after what word to laugh?

            After when you change ... hi smile
          2. -1
            3 October 2013 13: 50
            Quote: honest Jew
            Quote: SPACE
            Yes, it’s honestly in Jewish, so go ahead, try yourself, change your brain. And we will see.


            after what word to laugh ??? belay hi


            You will laugh when you change your brain.
            1. -1
              3 October 2013 15: 11
              Quote: Geisenberg
              You will laugh when you change your brain.

              Either with intent or stupidity compared the country with the people or the government with officials with ..? That's just interesting, which can justify such a claim. So what hello is the answer.
              Z.Y. I wonder where and who puts the cons ...? what
      2. 0
        3 October 2013 19: 32
        Quote: Honest Jew
        You just need to change whores !!!

        Or maybe mom?
      3. +5
        3 October 2013 20: 00
        It is necessary to change the system
        1. Yarosvet
          +4
          3 October 2013 20: 40
          Quote: Igor39
          It is necessary to change the system
      4. 0
        4 October 2013 14: 07
        So it’s kind of changed. Or didn’t you find the times of Gaidar, Nemtsov and EBN ?!
        Or do you need a new cabinet and president every new year ?!
    8. honest jew
      +15
      3 October 2013 12: 24
      The most interesting thing is that recently all of Russia raised money to eliminate the effects of flooding in the Far East !!! The authorities openly made it clear that there is no money and will not be for citizens !!! But Sochi, the World Cup is the top priority !!!
      1. +4
        3 October 2013 13: 18
        honest jew, don't lie! People collected money to help, but the government also sends funds. There is nothing to start your cheap tricks here, as in the 17th .... Where is your Trotsky? But honest Jews have not met, it just so happens. Do not substitute yourself and your
      2. +3
        3 October 2013 13: 53
        The center allocates 40 billion to eliminate the consequences. When, as you, either frankly lie, or do not own information in at least one point, there is no trust in the whole opus.
        1. +5
          3 October 2013 15: 29
          Are you sure that at least half of this amount will be used for its intended purpose?
          1. 0
            4 October 2013 14: 13
            In Navalny’s blazik, of course, half will be dragged.
      3. +10
        3 October 2013 14: 50
        I'm worried about Sochi too
      4. +3
        3 October 2013 16: 43
        Quote: honest Jew
        The most interesting thing is that recently all of Russia raised money to eliminate the effects of flooding in the Far East !!! The authorities openly made it clear that there is no money and will not be for citizens !!! But Sochi, the World Cup is the top priority !!!

        In fact, this is a resumption of a purely Russian tradition - mutual assistance and the revival of collectivism
      5. +1
        4 October 2013 14: 11
        Do you even know the press seriously ?! The federal budget, if my memory serves me, allocated only 12 lards. Somewhere I found that local (Amurka) budgets would allocate assistance.
        Before you carry nonsense, read the topic.
    9. sanecc
      -15
      3 October 2013 13: 21
      Wait a while at the councils, you would listen to the three-program radio on the wall - and not clav crush, the wise guy is public ....... and get coupons at work so that you do not die of hunger .....
    10. sanecc
      -1
      3 October 2013 13: 23
      at the advice you would listen to the radio on the wall and get food cards so as not to die of hunger ........... and immediately push the clave and go to the supermarket
    11. don.kryyuger
      +5
      3 October 2013 14: 03
      I agree. While at the helm such as Medvedev, Dvorkovich, etc., it will only get worse, no matter how much oil you pump. It is not clear that it is worse here, a crime or not competence.
      1. +3
        3 October 2013 16: 09
        This was previously called sabotage!
        1. +2
          3 October 2013 22: 33
          Quote: polly
          This was previously called sabotage!


          and nowadays is called a market economy wassat
      2. Yarosvet
        +5
        3 October 2013 17: 03
        Quote: don.kryyuger
        While at the helm such as Medvedev, Dvorkovich, etc., it will only get worse, no matter how much oil you pump. It is not clear that it is worse here, a crime or not competence.

        Could you again, but write in large bold letters - WHO IS AT THE RUDDER? - otherwise I seem to have ceased to perceive the normal font.
        1. Misantrop
          +1
          3 October 2013 17: 20
          Quote: Yarosvet
          WHO IS AT THE RUDDER?
          This SRULA (write together or separately? what lol ) It's time to shoot ... As in a joke, damn it ...
          1. Yarosvet
            +3
            3 October 2013 20: 42
            Quote: Misantrop
            Like in a joke, damn it ...

            I'm afraid that all the same, as in a fairy tale - the further ...
    12. +5
      3 October 2013 16: 06
      MIKHAN, and most importantly, in the hands of a private trader. The only capable investor is the Anglo-Saxon one who sleeps and sees how he milks Russian property. The 90s ended, thank God, but again the idea of ​​plundering Russia was imposed, veiled.
    13. Yarosvet
      +2
      3 October 2013 16: 46
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Instead of starting work, we are again announced that part of the public sector should be given into the hands of a private trader,
      In the recent past, they gave back a part (thank God, not all) Now we are reaping the benefits and will have to recover for a long time .. I can only characterize Medvedev and his office obscene (it doesn’t turn out otherwise) angry
      1. Yarosvet
        +2
        3 October 2013 16: 47
        ------------------------------------------------
        1. +5
          3 October 2013 21: 54
          Greetings to Yarosvet. If I were the Minister of Education, I would write you a prize for perseverance and patience in enlightenment in the field of the basics of social science. And this is without any sarcasm. I wish you success in this difficult matter, because people who are directly addressed to your posts, in my opinion, write more than they read.
          1. New Russia
            0
            3 October 2013 22: 07
            I support awesome pictures :)
          2. Yarosvet
            +2
            4 October 2013 13: 21
            Quote: Karabin

            hi
    14. Misantrop
      +2
      3 October 2013 16: 59
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I can only characterize Medvedev and his cabinet using obscene language (it doesn’t turn out differently ..)
      It is possible and censorship. The government of the ignorant and mediocre, stupidly (because there is no mind) lobbying other people's interests request
    15. +6
      3 October 2013 20: 01
      Quote: MIKHAN
      . I can only characterize Medvedev and his cabinet obscene (language doesn’t turn out differently ..)

      How would you characterize his immediate superior? He is also in favor of "giving part of the public sector into the hands of a private trader." Moreover, the foreign private trader is not rejected either. He also directly participated in the formation of the government and represented it to the Duma.
      If you stayed at these positions

      MIKHAN RU September 22, 2013 14:51 | Valdai theses by Vladimir Putin

      Putin is doing what most in Russia want him to and let him just try to get off course ..

      ... Well done Volodya! Ural with you!

      then your description of Medvedev’s cabinet looks ambiguous.
    16. Skiff-2
      -3
      3 October 2013 20: 07
      Quote: MIKHAN
      .. I can only characterize Medvedev and his cabinet obscene (language doesn’t turn out differently ..)

      The fact that Medvedev's cabinet has shown the world in recent days looks like hysterics, that these compradors sabotage Putin's decrees is obvious to everyone, but Putin is just a hired manager of one of the branches of government (American "comrades" wrote this to us for the Constitution) and does not have that freedom of action , which we would like, is also already obvious to many ... The fact that the only way out in new industrialization with import substitution is also clear as daylight (those same 25 million jobs in the industry that Putin spoke about in his decrees) and there are funds, and the people are waiting, but they are SABOTING !!! Their president is "build factories, develop infrastructure projects, train more engineers, foster patriotism among the youth," but they "no, we'd better sell state property, as in the 90s, and let the people prepare for unemployment and nomadic life." This is already a war, so the political assassinations of the sovereign's people have begun ... But Russia has experience in the fight against unrest - Ivan the Terrible's Oprichnina, the pre-war purges of 37, 38. The evil has become obvious and especially aggressive, because the dollar system is collapsing ... God help me, Vladimir Vladimirovich.
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  3. 10kAzAk01
    +23
    3 October 2013 08: 20
    and what growth can we talk about ??? more than 600 thousand small individual entrepreneurs have closed since the new year !!! LADY said himself "Yes, and let them close!" to him honestly "puss"! The main thing for them is that the transcorporations work! The people don't give a shit The United States has already surpassed us in oil and gas exports this year (for the first time since 1982) Where is the vaunted Gazprom (Russia's national treasure) negative
    1. Yarosvet
      +6
      3 October 2013 17: 06
      Quote: 10kAzAk01
      Where is the much-praised Gazprom (national treasure of Russia)
  4. Stas Perm
    +14
    3 October 2013 08: 21
    It’s time for this liberalist to drive away with a filthy broom.
    1. +1
      3 October 2013 13: 49
      Quote: Stas Permsky
      It’s time for this liberalist to drive away with a filthy broom.


      I think, yes.

      That's what struck me. http://topwar.ru/34024-gryadet-li-v-irane-perestroyka.html look at the pictures of Rouhani at the UN and DAM for the required ...

      What gesture is eloquent ... From myself I will add: Anatolich! Th thought thirties will just work out?
  5. +24
    3 October 2013 08: 26
    Everything is as usual. The government leaned on the real sector of the economy. This is too complicated for him - production is the same. This is not a concrete box to build (Skolkovo and Sochi) and not cutbacks for land to cut. In general, there is no development policy for a domestic producer. This is complicated. It is much easier to join the WTO and hope that the invisible hand of the market will put everything in its place.
    I'm wondering - did someone do analytics, looked at what rates we have by industry? Trying to figure out the reasons why economic growth has ordered a long life? Or - as usual - they collected statistics, there is no growth "oh damn, what are they - we have promised so much, but they are not growing?"
    1. +10
      3 October 2013 10: 46
      I suspect a little demon changed his addictions in music from diperple (forgive the Lord) to Grisha Leps, and specifically his song - I’ll leave for London. what kind of growth in GDP can we talk about?
      1. +5
        3 October 2013 11: 11
        Yes, let it roll, good riddance. Without it, GDP (which is gross domestic income, not Vladimir Vladimirich) will be better feel
        1. +7
          3 October 2013 11: 40
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Yes, let it roll, good riddance.

          Not... No. , with a tablecloth but to the Kolyma. At one time, they were exiled to hard labor for the collapse, and now to London. Hefty tempting sounds, well, like Mayakovsky, "I would go to the premiere, let them teach me" laughing Andrew, hi !
          1. +4
            3 October 2013 11: 47
            Quote: Tersky
            by the tablecloth but to Kolyma.

            Well, I don’t even dare dream of such a thing. If we have Serdyukov with Vasilyeva, well, they were not to blame for anything am
            Quote: Tersky
            I would go to the premiere, let me teach

            It’s just not difficult, a bad thing - it’s simple ...
            hi
  6. +22
    3 October 2013 08: 33
    In power were people who themselves in their life did not earn money in open competition. What Putin, what Medvedev they always lived for state money. Therefore, all they can do is spend this money.
  7. +9
    3 October 2013 08: 34
    It is Rothschild and Rockefeller who are to blame, and the government has nothing to do with it. On someone to blame.
  8. +4
    3 October 2013 08: 34
    People for the government, as always, are in last place.
    First, taking care of yourself relatives ...
    1. 0
      3 October 2013 22: 35
      Quote: aszzz888
      People for the government, as always, are in last place.


      common people always mean nothing to rulers.

      it is everywhere like that.
  9. +23
    3 October 2013 08: 40
    Here everyone insists that the last days of Brezhnev’s reign were stagnant, but when compared with the current level,it was the prosperity of the country and nation
    1. +3
      3 October 2013 11: 42
      Quote: bubla5
      Here everyone insists that the last days of Brezhnev’s reign were stagnation,

      Aha Yes , not in vain did he (Brezhnev), before his death, bequeathed to bury him with his ass up ... laughing But for what, I think everyone understands wink
    2. Yarosvet
      +11
      3 October 2013 17: 15
      Quote: bubla5
      Here everyone insists that the last days of Brezhnev’s reign were stagnant, but when compared with the current level,it was the prosperity of the country and nation
  10. +31
    3 October 2013 08: 49
    Anecdote to the topic: Leonid Ilyich is buried, they ask what is desired. Leonid Ilyich says, bury me face down.
    1. +2
      3 October 2013 14: 28
      So that's why he was dropped ...
      1. 0
        3 October 2013 22: 38
        Quote: morpogr
        They bury Leonid Ilyich and ask what is desired. Leonid Ilyich says, bury me face down. Why do they ask. Leonid Ilyich answers, after 20 years you’ll dig in the ass and kiss.


        By the way, so much time has already passed since his death, but as for the ceremony of kissing the fifth point of plumage, not a word laughing
  11. +10
    3 October 2013 08: 50
    Medvedev, on the other hand, makes it seem as though all this time the economic model was being built and regulated not by the existing government, but by someone else - an unknown uncle who puts limbs to the financial system like an elephant in a china shop. Like, some people ruled here, you know, rogues who reduced all growth to absolute zero, and now we need to do something about it ...
    Well, he said it right, they didn’t rule the country, maybe the Rockefellers, maybe the Rothschilds, the State Department, the Zionists, only we pay them their salaries.
    1. +9
      3 October 2013 08: 53
      quote by D. Medvedev — Forecasts on the development of the economy of the Russian Federation have shifted from cautious optimism to expert pessimism.

      If you are not Dmitry Anatolyevich, then who is it ?! Or maybe all the same, Alexander Romanov and Apollo ?! winked
      1. +8
        3 October 2013 10: 22
        Hi Apollo. In general, if you substitute GDP into the video clip, it will turn out absolutely for sure. Well, it’s not his fault, Dam himself came
      2. +4
        3 October 2013 11: 46
        Quote: Apollon
        If you are not Dmitry Anatolyevich, then who is it ?! Or maybe all the same, Alexander Romanov and Apollo ?!

        They forgot me .. request , of course I won’t pull a steam locomotive, but for three we’ll be sure drinks Apollo, hi !
        1. +3
          3 October 2013 14: 54
          Statistics of stagnation of the Russian economic system. There are no guilty? ..

          So here they are the Culprits of the stagnation of the economic system: Alexander Romanov, Apollo and Tersky laughing There are no guilty people in the government, so even though they found it on the website, there is only one thing left to do: bully
        2. +2
          3 October 2013 15: 47
          Quote: Tersky
          but for three let's figure it out for sure

          ingenious Victor good и +
        3. +1
          3 October 2013 22: 41
          Quote: Tersky
          They forgot me .., of course, I won’t pull a steam locomotive, but for three we’ll figure it out exactly Apollo!


          nothing, I'll give you a TT, the three of you will get away from the chase))) soldier
          1. Alex 241
            +1
            3 October 2013 22: 47
            Hello men laughing ............................
      3. +1
        3 October 2013 22: 40
        Quote: Apollon
        If you are not Dmitry Anatolyevich, then who is it ?! Or maybe all the same, Alexander Romanov with Apollon


        oh that's who prevents DAM and his team from working)) wassat
      4. 0
        4 October 2013 04: 59
        Quote: Apollon
        If you are not Dmitry Anatolyevich, then who is it ?! Or maybe all the same, Alexander Romanov and Apollo ?!


        Again Manechka with greatness visited ?? lol
  12. +4
    3 October 2013 08: 52
    Unfortunately, in our country, the ministers of the economic bloc have completely different goals in their work: the Ministry of Economy should stimulate economic growth — these are cheap loans, low interest rates of the Central Bank and inflation; The Ministry of Finance and the previous CBR are holding back inflation and are against lowering% interest rates. Therefore, everything is still as in Krylov’s fable about the swan, cancer and pike. Can combine the tasks under the leadership of one ministry, with the formulation of the task of balanced GDP growth with moderate inflation? Or does nobody need this?
    1. Yarosvet
      +2
      3 October 2013 17: 18
      Quote: maxcor1974
      Can combine the tasks under the leadership of one ministry, with the formulation of the task of balanced GDP growth with moderate inflation?
  13. +2
    3 October 2013 08: 57
    Pichalko for them is that there is no one to blame their "achievements" on ...
    1. +4
      3 October 2013 09: 07
      Quote: Stiletto
      Pichalko for them is that there is no one to blame their "achievements" on ...

      And this:
      The Prime Minister announces to us that the global economy is forcing this very government to cut budget spending

      The global economy, you see, is to blame.
    2. +9
      3 October 2013 11: 06
      Quote: Stiletto
      Pichalko for them is that there is no one to blame their "achievements" on ...

      The global economy, you see, is to blame.

      Well, this is an old song, if there are any achievements, then this is the government (if GDP is the head of the government), personally, if the president himself. And when there are continuous failures, the States are to blame, the global economy, inappropriate conditions. cataclysms, spring, autumn, winter, summer, air, water, deep space or people. Desired to emphasize
    3. Yarosvet
      +4
      3 October 2013 17: 20
      Quote: Stiletto
      Pichalko for them is that there is no one to blame their "achievements" on ...
  14. Grigorich 1962
    +7
    3 October 2013 08: 57
    The first snowdrops of our entry into the WTO ... whether there will be more !!
    And this immature MDA with pissed rags needs to be driven ... with their sorrow ministers .... such a country ... they cannot stir up with such opportunities ... it should be a shame ... at least
    1. +5
      3 October 2013 09: 24
      I agree with you. It was necessary to stimulate domestic production by import substitution before joining the WTO (it was possible to freely increase import duties on many groups of goods, increasing the competitiveness of domestic producers). I don’t know what the Cabinet of Ministers stimulated at that time, but not the economy. And now it's late. That's zero growth ...
  15. +15
    3 October 2013 09: 00
    Why talk about a vegetable, what it is, what not, unless the speaker. wink All this is the "result" of Putin's rule, no one else in this country made key decisions. The recipe for growth is simple, import substitution, the development of knowledge-intensive industries, a balanced economy and a market of at least 250-300 million people, no matter how hard the Empire comes out. To do this, you need to return high meanings, raise people-creators, create an elite, leave the WTO, take control of the Central Bank, but all this is not under Putin.
    1. +8
      3 October 2013 09: 12
      Quote: Orik
      All this is the "result" of Putin's rule

      We are told that we are poor
      But we know that, this is a lie.
      With Volodya we feel stability
      Stability, vegetables and rye.
    2. Yarosvet
      +4
      3 October 2013 17: 26
      Quote: Orik
      and a market size of at least 250-300 million

      Bold +

      I agree with everything except the one highlighted: a similar size of the domestic market is certainly good, but I do not know any logical justification for the impossibility of creating a balanced domestic market of 140 million.

      I heard the allegation of Wasserman, but the rationale is not.
  16. soldier's grandson
    +8
    3 October 2013 09: 05
    our government is like a kindergarten: they broke it, they stole it, and confess right there. Can I put DAMA in the corner? But really, there should be an early resignation with criminal liability
  17. SolomonSS
    +16
    3 October 2013 09: 10
    For our government, instead of buying PRICED cars in all regions and then keeping them, and increasing your wages and pensions (I mean deputies and some similar personalities) at the expense of ordinary people’s taxes, it's time to think about reducing your appetite and tightening your belts, instead of raising taxes and excise taxes. And also think with your head when they take on the whole country the responsibility of holding the Olympics and football competitions in 2018, where such money is spent that the whole country falls into the fifth point !!!
    Let's say thanks to our "beloved and dear" VVP and Medvedev, and their company.
    1. +7
      3 October 2013 12: 06
      And at the same time, let's say thanks to ourselves. We ourselves give the majority of votes for "United Russia" and, as a result, our parliament, instead of controlling the actions and expenses of the government (as it happens in other countries, where the government is required to report for every "penny"), plays the role of a lackey - "what will you please?" "will be done!".
  18. +2
    3 October 2013 09: 10
    Until the cock bites his ass, the man will not cross himself.
  19. Hulk
    +20
    3 October 2013 09: 10
    At the Valdai Club, President Putin very vividly described our difficulties due to joining the WTO. He didn’t mention any positive from this affiliation, which was promised to us for thirteen years. And an external crisis overlaps with an internal one. In order to develop further in this situation, a very strict state policy is needed. There is money for this. They are enough to build a second Russia.

    If you upgrade infrastructure in the current corruption, you will upgrade infrastructure in Switzerland, France and Australia. So, first you need to limit corruption. If you limit corruption, upgrading your infrastructure will cause all the money to go into a monopoly. So, it is necessary to limit the arbitrariness of monopolies. Then you upgrade the infrastructure, and suddenly it turns out that your furniture will begin to be imported from China, because it is so cheaper. So you must introduce healthy protectionism at least at the level of the European Union. Then you must give freedom to business - at least the freedom that it had during the great terror under Stalin. We can’t say that we are worse in business than in the days of the socialist planned economy, and in 1938, and this, by the way, was a year of great terror, 6% of industrial production came from what is now called small business. Then it was called consumer cooperation and artel.

    And, of course, in order to modernize at least something, it is necessary that there be a high-quality workforce. A quality workforce is a normal education, normal health care, at least people need to provide at least a living wage. People work 8 hours a day, and then it turns out that they cannot earn a living due to the fact that they are placed in unbearable conditions.
  20. +17
    3 October 2013 09: 15
    And you look who sits in the bred public councils, look at the composition of the popular front. Our society is represented by singing girls, comedians, and graphomaniacs diluted for variety with sports representatives. But where are the representatives of metallurgy, machine tool industry, grain growers and livestock breeders? And they are not perceived by the government (and the president) by the public. They are the electorate, and it is very voracious, problematic and necessary only for the period of the campaign.
  21. +15
    3 October 2013 09: 23
    Fish rots from the head ... this is an axiom. Refusal from a planned economy, transfer of strategic industries to private thieves, betting on migrants ... these are the main reasons for the collapse of the Russian economy. What kind of investment climate can we talk about if hundreds of billions annually flow away from the country and not rubles ... what ... and who will hang around here besides speculators and swindlers. Russia has long been a washing machine for laundering money from drug dealers to multinational corporations.
  22. +8
    3 October 2013 09: 28
    But where are the representatives of metallurgy, machine tool industry, grain growers and livestock breeders?

    And they need to work.
    There is no time for crap.
  23. Hulk
    +1
    3 October 2013 09: 32
    Regarding the author's statement:
    Instead of starting work, we are again announced that part of the public sector should be given into the hands of a private trader, who, you see, by definition will manage this property better.

    The statement of the amateur. Or Mr. Volodin sees poorly what is happening in state monopolies. Or does not imagine the function of the state.
    Without going into magnificent definitions.
    According to the constitution (I advise you to take a look, Mr. Volodin)

    Article 2
    Man, his rights and freedoms are the highest value. The recognition, observance and protection of the rights and freedoms of man and citizen is the duty of the state.

    Article 3

    1. The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people.
    2. The people exercise their power directly, as well as through government bodies and local governments.

    I draw a simple conclusion. The people elect someone (for example Putin) to rule the state, and not Rusnano. It doesn’t know how anyway.

    This is what is happening at Russian Railways. This is a kind of analogue of Rusnano.
    The government decided to freeze tariffs. Lost revenue, according to Russian Railways, could amount to 93,2 billion rubles. And now Russian Railways will have to think. About costs, labor productivity, efficiency. The monopoly even tried to do it as it could. She threatened the government to reduce 62 employees or transfer 100 people to part-time work, as well as save on track repairs, that is, on safety. Such blackmail looks particularly unsightly, given that the income of members of the Russian Railways Board in 370 increased by 000% to 2012 billion rubles. And on the board itself 40 people sit. Against the background of the fact that Russian Railways is not going to abandon plans for the purchase of the Greek railway and ports for 1,8 million euros, this week the Russian monopoly even applied for participation in privatization. And he doesn’t even think of selling, for example, packages in Transcontainer or NCSP.

    http://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/news/16529841/rzhd
    1. +5
      3 October 2013 13: 14
      I began to notice that my modest name literally dazzled your comments. And in fact, there are always guesses, conjectures, and advice: the author, you see, sees poorly, then hears badly. Glad for your eyesight and your hearing. Thanks for the activity on the forum!
      1. +2
        3 October 2013 16: 19
        Good afternoon, Aleksey!

        Your article is good, briefly and accurately describes what is happening and raises questions: “what will happen tomorrow?”

        It was pleasant for any author to eat his article causes controversy and exchange of opinions. We are all different, we do not need to agree 100% in opinions! In my opinion, the main thing is that ALL of us here are looking for what UNITS us and makes us more united and strong.

        Well, the fact that “discussio mater veritas est” / “truth is born in discussion” is something I think everyone is welcome.

        Sincerely, Mikhailo.
    2. Yarosvet
      +5
      3 October 2013 17: 37
      Quote: Hulk
      This is what is happening at Russian Railways.

      Here I do not agree: in order to judge the lost profit you need to know about the rate of this profit, but we don’t know that.

      But I strongly suspect that the net profit of Russian Railways is at least an order of magnitude higher than 10% of the total turnover.
    3. Cpa
      +1
      4 October 2013 00: 23
      It’s stupid to slow down the tariffs of one state monopoly, because it is supplied with electricity and buys diesel fuel. Yes, they are nominal monopolies only in the matter of state support. The holdings serving Russian Railways are not state-owned, so it’s a system failure. Asgard writes, three-way drivers are at the helm.
    4. 0
      4 October 2013 17: 08
      Do not tell me what kind of illness it is to give out someone else's opinion as truth ?!
      Do you even see what kind of link you are giving? Someone Alexandra Terentyeva writes her opinion. I will analyze the delirium of "another Latynina" especially for you.
      [quote] Therefore, it is necessary to invest in the expansion of BAM, the Trans-Siberian Railway, in the construction of high-speed lines. True, Russian Railways is not going to do this at its own expense, because the issue is of national importance. The state is ready to help - part of the money for BAM and the Trans-Siberian Railway will be allocated from the national welfare fund. / Quote]
      This madame probably didn’t even bother to look that they began to develop several large deposits of PI tied to BAM (for example, the Elginskoye coal deposit). I note that PI is transported from these deposits to Siberia and the Urals. Of course, not by plane or motor transport.
      [quote] In 2010 - by 0,1% to 1 trillion rubles., in 2011 - by 18% to 1,21 trillion rubles., in 2012 - by 6,8% to 1,29 trillion. rub. Revenue also grew, but in 2011-2012. much slower: in 2011 - by 9,2% to 1,48 trillion rubles., in 2012 - by 4,2% to 1,54 trillion rubles. In 2010 alone, revenue increased more than expenses - by 18,5% to 1,33 trillion rubles. At the same time, tariffs for freight transportation grew (the main income of the monopoly): in 2010 - by 12,4%, in 2011 - by 8%, and in 2012 - by 6%. [/ Quote]
      This nonsense didn’t understand why. Madame notes that the revenue from Russian Railways in 2010 increased more than expenses by as much as 18%. Well, profit in 2010 from Russian Railways has become more, then what did she want to say ?! Personally, I do not understand.

      [quote] The government decided to freeze tariffs. Lost revenue, according to Russian Railways, could amount to 93,2 billion rubles. And now Russian Railways will have to think. About costs, labor productivity, efficiency. The monopoly even tried to do it as it could. She threatened the government to reduce 62 employees or transfer 100 people to part-time work, as well as save on track repairs, that is, on safety. Such blackmail looks particularly unsightly, given that the income of members of the Russian Railways Board in 370 increased by 000% to 2012 billion rubles. And on the board itself 40 people sit. Against the background of the fact that Russian Railways is not going to abandon plans for the purchase of the Greek railway and ports for 1,8 million euros, this week the Russian monopoly even applied for participation in privatization. [/ Quote]
      The origin of this fabrication is probably from a single reference to
      This publication is based on the article “Company of the week: Russian Railways” from the Vedomosti newspaper dated September 19.09.2013, 172, No. 3434 (XNUMX). For access to this article I am asked to pay a dime. Can you be rich and pay access to this article?
    5. 0
      4 October 2013 17: 13
      Read on.
      And this can be very beneficial: for example, the French state SNCF (operates the French railways, owns passenger carriers, logistics business in different countries) in the first half of the year managed to increase net profit by 3,5 times to EUR 865 million with stagnation in Europe. It’s just the time for Russian Railways to decide what to be: a state or a company.

      Above in the article, the journalist is outraged by the increase in profits of Russian Railways for 2010 and immediately rejoices at the increase in profits of the French railway company. Double standarts?! Or looking for a fried one ?! The question is for what purpose ?! To cut down attendants on "Intrigues. Scandals. Investigations."

      One thing I’ll say, the press is getting yellow and yellow for the sake of popularity. No, but what ?! People hawala and this is the main thing.
  24. +3
    3 October 2013 09: 41
    The possessed "father of the third wave of de-Stalinization" is acting outrageously again
  25. +24
    3 October 2013 09: 41
    Something like this:
    1. +3
      3 October 2013 11: 09
      I cried :)))) Many advantages :))))
    2. Yarosvet
      +6
      3 October 2013 17: 42
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Something like this:
      1. Cpa
        +1
        4 October 2013 00: 26
        Here is such a tops boys (s) laughing
    3. +1
      3 October 2013 22: 42
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Something like this:


      mdaa .. you respect for the photo))
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  27. +3
    3 October 2013 09: 43
    Our authorities are trying to sit on two chairs. All projects with the West adversely affect the economic and social development of the country. We cannot build an independent state in any way. Because at one time Peter 1 cut through a window to Europe, now we need a man who cut through even just opened our Siberia to us. And here again our people wave the riches of Siberia before the West, as if teasing a hungry dog. But it's not too late to change your mind.
    1. +7
      3 October 2013 10: 06
      They will add to you - but you do not steal
      The salary increase of a narrow circle of senior executives, carried out by presidential decrees on Monday, as if by chance coincided with the expiration of the verification of declarations of expenditure, which this year was first filed by Russian officials. This symbolic convergence confirms that the fight against corruption and increasing the legal income of officials are manifestations of the same political line.
      .........
      “Raising the salary of a narrow group of senior officials is confirmed by the fact that the president believes and is confident that these people do not take bribes,” said Kirill Kabanov, a member of the Presidential Council for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights, chairman of the National Anti-Corruption Committee.
      .................
      “How can a high salary be made to senior officials in a country where the average salary is 20 thousand? It is impossible to explain to people - how is it that we increase the salaries of these bastards, who are all corrupt? After all, they believe that ministers have a small salary, but they are rich people, because they steal.
      more details http://www.vz.ru/top/

      no words, although the Russian language is rich and powerful.
      1. soldier's grandson
        +1
        3 October 2013 11: 11
        they have small salaries and hundreds of thousands of bonuses
      2. Yarosvet
        +3
        3 October 2013 17: 47
        Quote: Apollon
        no words, although the Russian language is rich and powerful.

        Add here the fact that the premium of a federal official can reach the size of 6-7 of his salaries.
    2. Yarosvet
      +3
      3 October 2013 17: 45
      Quote from DiViZ
      We can’t build an independent state in any way

      We do not build an independent state - we purposefully integrate into the global world on the conditions of a raw materials appendage and a space cab.
  28. +10
    3 October 2013 10: 01
    Will there be a budget cut and rising unemployment? OK, then, gentlemen, ministers, we will no longer import any guest workers, I understand correctly? For where should they be, if Russian citizens cannot find work, one follows from the other
  29. +8
    3 October 2013 10: 06
    People! What kind of economy are we talking about? What has the state done really except empty words? We are all proletarians, i.e. flew by. And they are a bunch of fattening loafers with iPhones sang on all of us. Election fiction, vote do not vote anyway get x ..
    Business executives should rule the country, not politicians. It is necessary to remove politics and religion from the country, close the economy from the west and China, only sell products only for gold, and it is better to barter and everything will be fine. And we will all be happy, and not count these three pennies.
  30. Hulk
    +2
    3 October 2013 10: 09
    Quote: Apollon
    It is impossible to explain to people - how do we raise salaries for these bastards, who are all corrupt

    Not us - Putin raises (a little correction, to the one who wrote). Usually Bastard Bastards Brother.
  31. +5
    3 October 2013 10: 11
    In fact, it’s just a frank admission that for all the time they were in power, these people haven’t learned anything worthwhile, even by the method of scientific poking. As they were amateurs, they remained so.
  32. +6
    3 October 2013 10: 16
    So why should the economy grow, if the production from bread to kvass is interrupted, and everything else is a "pipe", in the sense, the sale of resources?
    Wait, every small plant built is presented as a great achievement, but before that, dozens were built and it was like coffee in the morning. hi
  33. +9
    3 October 2013 10: 22
    I didn’t read the article, I just didn’t have time. But I want to say this: today I was given an oral order to prepare a report on (!) the mood of people in the organization. About all the negative statements addressed to the leadership, about all actions leading to unrest (and there was already a precedent. it’s all against the background of sudden reductions — and this is thousands of employees. I wrote about the rumors a few days ago, but here we come ...
    and now it finally dawned on me what Medvedev had in mind: The prime minister explained that citizens need to get used to changing not only work, but also their profession and place of residence - thus, in fact, turning into a “mobile workforce”
    1. ole
      ole
      +5
      3 October 2013 10: 28
      It is interesting turning into a "mobile workforce" where we move. its enterprises are becoming less and less, all roads lead to Africa wassat
      1. +5
        3 October 2013 11: 58
        Quote: ole
        It’s interesting turning into a “mobile workforce” where we’ll move

        Most likely, having turned into a "mobile workforce", people will take to the track (mobile ones). There is nowhere else - there is work only in large cities. And even then, the Russian cannot withstand competition with migrant workers.
        There is also such an option; the mobile teams of the former labor force will simply become "power mobile teams." Remember the 90s?
        1. +3
          3 October 2013 21: 20
          Quote: Normal
          There is also such an option; mobile teams of the former labor force will become simply "force mobile teams"

          This option, unfortunately, is quite viable, given the vector of development of the economic situation and the low moral bar in society. The worst thing is that those who create conditions for the emergence of such groups will be protected by fences, armor and guards, or even dumped in London, and the rest will taste all the "delights" of mobility to the fullest.
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    2. +3
      3 October 2013 11: 13
      Quote: Gleb
      The prime minister explained that citizens need to get used to changing not only work, but also their profession and place of residence - thus, in fact, turning into a “mobile workforce”

      Well, working with a profession is understandable. I exchanged it myself. Well, with the place of residence, here Uncle Dima clearly went too far. stop Enough already, when I was a kid I dashed off when a dad was transferred from one garrison to another wassat
      I smell, I will not let Stolypin's laurels sleep, only the materiel has let us down laughing
      1. +6
        3 October 2013 11: 21
        Quote: Landwarrior
        I smell, I will not let Stolypin's laurels sleep, only the materiel has let us down

        By materiel you mean the contents of the cranium?
        1. +3
          3 October 2013 12: 40
          Quote: Garrin
          By materiel you mean the contents of the cranium?

          And here one of the other follows wassat
          Just P.A. also loved the people around the country to drive tudy-syudy ... But nevertheless, it worked under the autocracy ... But now the time is different, just like at the beginning of the 20th century it’s impossible to load people into wagons and take out kudy Makar calves wassat laughing
    3. +5
      3 October 2013 11: 25
      Quote: Gleb
      I didn’t read the article, I just didn’t have time. But I want to say this: today I was given an oral order to prepare a report on (!) the mood of people in the organization. About all the negative statements addressed to the leadership, about all actions leading to unrest (and there was already a precedent. it’s all against the background of sudden reductions — and this is thousands of employees. I wrote about the rumors a few days ago, but here we come ...

      You lag behind life. It has been practiced in our office for 5 years. Plus wiretapping phones, plus browsing the web pages that you visited during the day. And the sanctions for conversations discrediting the company are stipulated even in the employment contract, up to and including dismissal.
      1. +1
        3 October 2013 12: 37
        This is illegal, and additional reasons for dismissal are also invalid, you can dismiss the current for the reasons stated in the labor code, the courts in almost 98% on the side of the employee.
        1. +2
          3 October 2013 13: 38
          Quote: Civil
          It is illegal...

          Yes, it’s clear that it’s illegal. I do not want to flood in this thread, but if interested, read:
          http://orabote.net/feedback/list/company/5874/page/1
  34. patriot2
    +4
    3 October 2013 10: 30
    Dima sat "in the girls"
    take the broom ...
    What the steering does not undertake
    it turns out one thing - F "o" P "a" laughing
  35. +9
    3 October 2013 10: 58
    In the photo, Medvedev looks like Mr. Bean fellow
    1. 0
      4 October 2013 00: 40
      And not only in the photo, he’s like that in life ...
  36. +2
    3 October 2013 11: 08
    And the fact that Russia has a huge potential for import substitution ($ 400 billion) Dimon-iPhone and its team for some reason does not roll. God forbid he would cause a blood clot in his brain, otherwise they would ruin a slightly stronger country.
    1. +9
      3 October 2013 12: 31
      And the fact that Russia has a huge potential for import substitution ($ 400 billion) Dimon-iPhone and its team for some reason does not roll. D

      and with what import will you replace?
      In economics, systemic crises are understandable. oil prices remain high while
      1. Putin's statement on pensions - you can rest assured that the retirement age will be increased or the pension for ice cream
      The country cannot drag out that huge social program by several times the salary increase of the non-producing part of the population — military, officials.
      2 state corporations - only pulling money
      3.Pensions (I am not against retirees), but money must be taken from somewhere.
      Putin’s policy of increasing GDP has not been justified - and indeed not. because one cannot work with the economy by orders.
      Tens of billions were thrown out to Eurovision, the Olympics, APEC, the World Cup, Syria and sand in general are destitute for dust in the eyes.
      And the point - well, we went and we forgot and forgot, and money? Where is the hundred fund, or not or at. gko usa.
      The time has come to understand that all the problems that accumulated over the years will someday come out and unite in one crisis. Although in the world there is generally no crisis, in the states for sure. Many will talk about unpaid dollars - but the crisis is in Russia and it's time to talk about unpaid rubles.
      The whole system is an imaginary vertical stability - an empty place. People were given confidence - keep quiet, and we took care of you. the main thing is not to cut the boat. People once learned to work, nobody needs it, the younger generation only wants official positions. Everyone It seems that everyone knows the truth - but as if they believe. But in fact, everything is simple, you need to give people the opportunity to work, and it does not matter a locksmith, businessman or scientist. Give the opportunity to work. not to give work, and that officials would not muzzle you and would not press business and courts that would be independent.
      1. sanecc
        0
        3 October 2013 14: 10
        you're right - well, then
      2. -1
        4 October 2013 17: 27
        Above, a foreigner is chatting for Russia and its affairs, and a Jew there too.
        . Putin's statement on pensions - you can rest assured that the retirement age will be raised or pensions for ice cream
        The country cannot drag out that huge social program by several times the salary increase of the non-producing part of the population — military, officials.

        Do you have government decrees ?! Or just to throw a hamnets on a fan ?!

        2 state corporations - only pulling money

        Take an interest in the volume of taxes received from Gazprom and Rosneft. Or do you propose privatization and the future owners of the legarchs will collect more taxes in the budget than state corporations ?!

        Tens of billions were thrown out to Eurovision, the Olympics, APEC, the World Cup, Syria and sand in general are destitute for dust in the eyes.


        He smiled as always, the Jew’s condemnation for feeding Russia his enemy in Syria with money. Do you sleep at least calmly ?!
  37. +12
    3 October 2013 11: 09
    I, as some commentators, can’t perceive Dmitry Anatolyevich’s muddy stream of consciousness, a person is clearly sick with many mental illnesses and only his specially trained people can analyze his speeches, and those trained medically ... The person is clearly autistic because he is talking to himself and is only busy a schizophrenic, because he’s thinking of separating himself from the post of prime minister, a kleptomaniac, because he constantly needs new material attributes: aka iPhone Es, MacBook Pro, a zombie with a 4K screen, an English piece stereo system from Scottish oak with a capacity of 150kW HomeSuround, a Hassel camera with a matrix of 100 megapixels and a lens capable of photographing the lunar landscape ... The list of pathologies can be continued indefinitely, in addition, it is still in adolescence, as it invites famous rockers, comedians and people who can give a cool gift during working hours. ..All people listen to the godfather, who planted him on the high chair in the Government and surrounded by venerable uncles ... And you want something ... A man is playing ...
    1. +9
      3 October 2013 11: 19
      I'm afraid to ask, why was he put there ?! How is the shit sink? Really incomprehensible Putin is a "devil and a traitor" or is it the Russian president, although the fact that he calls Russians names by Russians (just like the Martians) is already alarming.
      1. +7
        3 October 2013 12: 08
        I am afraid that your question can be answered by a kindred and corporate "tree", which will reflect the family and corporate ties of the power and money of those who have, while we only know fragments of this alignment ... Because there is a constant conflict of interests ...
      2. Yarosvet
        +3
        3 October 2013 18: 07
        Quote: Alyoha
        I'm afraid to ask, why did they put him there ?! How is shit tap?

        Quote: Altona
        I'm afraid that your question may be answered by a related and corporate "tree"
    2. +3
      3 October 2013 13: 56
      Quote: Altona
      Pro, a zombie with a 4K screen, an English 150kW Scottish oak piece stereo HomeHouseSurround, a Hasselblad camera with a 100 megapixel sensor and a lens capable of photographing the lunar landscape.

      Why, iPhone is content with little wassat
      1. +3
        3 October 2013 14: 25
        Quote: atalef
        Why, iPhone is content with little


        "Creatively"; hipster .... and with security. wassat
      2. +4
        3 October 2013 18: 12
        good but what I listed he has and he prefers to move on premium Bavarian cars ... soldier
        1. Yarosvet
          +5
          3 October 2013 20: 47
          Quote: Altona
          and he prefers to move around on Bavarian premium cars ...
  38. +4
    3 October 2013 11: 14
    And as for the "sell to private owners", so for this big mind is not necessary. Any cook is able to sell ...
    The author bent.
    The cook will not be in a hurry to sell her goods, which can serve for a long time. It will be more practical than it is commonly believed among "educated people".
    1. +5
      3 October 2013 13: 21
      Well, you are an adult and you know what phrase is meant. If not, I remind you: about the one attributed to Lenin, where he allegedly said that any cook is able to govern the state. In fact, he spoke quite differently ...
      1. Yarosvet
        +8
        3 October 2013 18: 09
        Quote: Volodin
        In fact, he said very differently ...
        1. +3
          3 October 2013 18: 32
          Exactly! Thank.
  39. +2
    3 October 2013 11: 22
    words, words, words-stoked in words, approvals, permissions ... when will we start working? DAMU - paragraph 7 of article 81 of the Labor Code of the Russian Federation
  40. +9
    3 October 2013 11: 28
    I sincerely want to advise our prime minister to stop rushing from side to side, dilute his “creative” environment of “nursery” age with respectable experienced specialists, to restore connection with the “origins” and consult with distant poor relatives. Specifically, let him compare the drop in GDP growth, noticed by him in 2013, with the large-scale inclusion in the practice of the country's main productive forces, concentrated in the public sector, the requirements of the law on public procurement FZ-223. Of course, theft must be fought, but this law paralyzed the entire real sector of the economy, which is based on state-owned enterprises with a colossal range of components, subcontractors and suppliers. You cannot buy a paper clip without going through the tricky procedure for organizing tender purchases. And the prime minister got it right, the state sector is not efficient, it is necessary to privatize it. Put the private sector under this law, the private sector will collapse overnight. The state sector of the economy is placed in a knowingly unequal competitive environment with the private sector. Whether through thoughtlessness or malicious intent, this is sabotage. Let the law FZ-223 fully regulate the relations in terms of procurement in the budgetary sphere. And in real production it is vital to simplify the procurement procedure. GDP will instantly react to this with positive dynamics. Try it, Dmitry Yurievich. And perhaps you will remain in office.
    1. +2
      3 October 2013 11: 54
      At the moment there is a clear surplus of conciliators-permits in all spheres of activity. What growth can be with such a number of unproductive links, the entire contribution of which is a "approved" visa with an insane price tag (in real resources)? Your thesis needs to be extended to all areas of activity. Simplify procedures, reduce permits.
  41. +6
    3 October 2013 12: 17
    gentlemen from the number of critics of the work of the Government, unlink! Like, the world market is to blame, but "we are just indulging in buns" just.


    So here it is! Here it is! Buns! It's all about them. The author blinked and guessed the meaning of the existence of the country's leadership - BUN!
    To all the rest, the authorities are engaged in so far as this can hinder or help to get another bun. The buns are really not simple, but a lot of millions ... in dollars ... well, either in the form of estates, yachts, olympiads or simply Siberian Cranes craving the highest attention.
    And the economy ... it's so boring and incomprehensible ... let the whole market settle. Only before it was a domestic market, and now the world.
    So he adjusted everything ... globally ... belay
    1. +1
      3 October 2013 13: 35
      Quote: Normal
      Only before it was a domestic market, and now the world.
      So he adjusted everything ... globally ...

      In the early 90s Gaidar & Co. said so - "The market will regulate everything itself!" wassat
    2. +7
      3 October 2013 14: 12
      Quote: Normal
      And the economy ... it's so boring and incomprehensible ...

      Not one to you
      1. Baboon
        0
        3 October 2013 14: 51
        Well, this is a controversial issue, there is inflation, it looks so beautiful, but it seems that inflation will "devour" all savings. After all, there is a concept in economics - inflation tax, perhaps, and so they don't do that.
      2. Cat
        +2
        3 October 2013 18: 18
        Quote: atalef
        Not one to you

        the math is beautiful, but fundamentally wrong. For: the pension contribution of an individual entrepreneur goes not only to retire the individual entrepreneur, he also pays a pension to some other comrades (the so-called state employees). That is, teachers, doctors, military men, and so on. And also - officials, ministers, deputies, and other evil spirits. And also - the PF apparatus is contained, the very uncles and aunts who vigilantly follow the interests of this IP and severely fine him - if the IP, out of slovenliness, did not have time to put aside a pretty penny "for his own old age" in time.
        In short, if you count everything thoughtfully, then 6700 per month "based on the results of vital activity" will turn out to be quite a sane amount.
        And if suddenly someone does not like this situation - alas ... The state - it is like a casino, it will not work at a loss. Well, except that there are those who will regularly knock the power of the proper ice ax on the dark. And even that is not a fact.
  42. +5
    3 October 2013 12: 26
    These Medvedev-Dvorkovich-Shuvalov-Vekselbergs have already gotten ... Of course, in high politics their own rules of the game, but they are already beginning to go through the roof ... They can finally lead to a complete destruction of the situation. I am sure they understand this well, they work out silver coins. They have their own shirt closer to the body, and people even die, even wash themselves with blood - they don't give a shit ...
  43. +3
    3 October 2013 12: 37
    "His phrase:
    Forecasts on the development of the economy of the Russian Federation have shifted from cautious optimism to expert pessimism.
    says a lot. "


    After this said phrase, every self-respecting politician, first of all, must resign himself. However, human arrogance is immeasurable. And again the "talking" head of Dmitry Anatolyevich appears on the screens ... And again she continues to broadcast nonsense ...
    1. Yarosvet
      +3
      3 October 2013 18: 15
      Quote: IRBIS
      After this said phrase, every self-respecting, first of all, politician must resign himself
  44. +1
    3 October 2013 14: 10
    Quote: ioann1
    but power also directs funds. There is nothing to start your cheap tricks here, as in the 17th .... Where is your Trotsky

    It has long been dead and probably no bones are left, but in some strange way affects the Russian economy. I will tell you another funny character, to blame it on all the problems of modern Russia
    CHINGHIZ KHAN wassat
  45. ivagulin
    +6
    3 October 2013 14: 26
    Gentlemen, our agriculture is "raised" in the following way-a huge loan is taken for development, 99% of the capital is invested, well, for example, in the construction of a hotel in Montenegro, and migrants are brought into the economy and vigorous activity begins to appear. I crap about how our state (and therefore our) money is being stolen by people especially close to the trough. And 37 is still not in vain they remember
  46. 10kAzAk01
    +3
    3 October 2013 14: 38
    So soon the construction in Sochi will end !!! then there will be a wave of unemployment! Need a new push! New Dneproges, BAM, Magnitogorsk in the end! The construction was always big in the USSR !!! and therefore there were no unemployed! It is necessary to master SIBERIA, otherwise the Chinese will master!
  47. sanecc
    +1
    3 October 2013 14: 43
    it is necessary to change not only the place of work, but also the place of life - from a speech ...... Yes, 2 million Russian youth have already left for Western Europe and the USA - BASICALLY WITH POOR OF UNPROFORED DEPTH ... BUT IN PLACES ALL PLACES ARE TAKEN AND WORK BOILERS- VISIBILITY OF WORK AND VISIBILITY OF DECISIONS .........
    1. Yarosvet
      +3
      3 October 2013 18: 18
      Quote: Sanecc
      ZATO IN CABINETS ALL PLACES ARE TAKEN
    2. +1
      3 October 2013 21: 29
      Yes, 2 million Russian youth have already left for Western Europe and the USA, mainly because of the impoverished poor depth.
      Lies from beginning to end.
      For a long time I have not read such wild and arrogant lies.
      Who has left? Where from?
      I myself live in a Russian province, and I know the situation here better than any dill that has never been in Russia.
  48. +2
    3 October 2013 14: 46
    It has long been clear that it is time for the LADY due to inconsistency with the position held, at best. Only in the current conditions does one remember: "A fool who will put him in prison, he is a memorial!" And probably a monument to the last decades of Russia's life.
  49. New Russia
    +9
    3 October 2013 15: 05
    Congratulations to all, you were led on the bait, Medvedev is to blame, and when they talk about Putin they get cons :) We will wait from a person who spits in our faces and laughs at us when he dismisses the appointed thieves and idiots for him :) Slavish thinking.
    PS How to embed a video?
    1. +2
      3 October 2013 15: 33
      At the top of the window are 3-4 pictures and videos.
      1. New Russia
        +1
        3 October 2013 15: 56
        I see. Thanks:)
    2. +5
      3 October 2013 18: 23
      For example, I do not flatter myself about both and do not build illusions ...
  50. +1
    3 October 2013 15: 30
    Quote: Landwarrior
    Quote: GlebPremier explained that citizens need to get used to changing not only work, but also their profession and place of residence - thus, in fact, turning into “mobile labor”


    Could it be easier to change this manual here?
    This is a crisis guide in my head. He is engaged in retaining his own power and lobbying the interests of a handful of clans settled down on the resources available in Russia.
  51. +3
    3 October 2013 15: 32
    Quote: Yuri I.
    It has long been clear that it is time for the LADY due to inconsistency with the position held, at best. Only in the current conditions does one remember: "A fool who will put him in prison, he is a memorial!" And probably a monument to the last decades of Russia's life.


    hmm, just him?
    for what? - He is a whistler and there is no way to call him.
    a systematic approach is needed here.
    you can start asking questions to the one who for the fourteenth year /fact/, with breaks for Siberian Cranes and amphoras, allows all this.
  52. +3
    3 October 2013 15: 48
    In order for the economic situation in the country to improve, the country must be governed by top-class professionals, and not organized crime groups, ER" and the Ozero cooperative. All reforms and large, global projects are launched with one goal, cutting the budget, and this with complete impunity. Remember at least one reform brought to its logical conclusion?
    1. Yarosvet
      +5
      3 October 2013 18: 21
      Quote: godun
      Do you remember at least one reform brought to its logical conclusion?

      All reforms were carried to their logical conclusion - just do not confuse real goals with declared ones.
  53. +5
    3 October 2013 16: 05
    Good day to all!

    To the author of the article Alexey, a big “+” from me! good

    It’s high time to evaluate the results of “the activities of all power,” i.e., “hang gliders, iPhone demons, ministers, their assistants at their desks and on the couch,” instead of “streamlined formulations,” to use precise terms, even if most of them have to taken from “folk obscene language.” am

    Moreover, dear forum members, this is all happening in Russia, in a country that “FROM GOD” has territory, subsoil and what to extract, process, supply, produce and where many millions of our compatriots can live (Siberia, the Far East, the North)!

    All these percentages of decline in GDP and other parameters of “exact comparison” or “school deception of the naive”, does it all depend on who compares?, and to whom does he show his conclusions, graphs and %? Unfortunately, they say that the treasury has once again been PLAINED by the “sovereign’s servants”, so far without criminal liability, but with regular tales about Resolutions, Decrees and assurances for the “servants” that today is not the 37th and can be calmly “reformed” and further.

    I can tell you today what will happen in Russia in 2-4-6 years.

    Entrepreneurs, both “Russian patriots” and foreign carriers of new “advanced” methods and approaches, will purposefully reduce “production costs,” i.e., the salaries of their employees.
    People are already working 1-2 part-time jobs in addition to their main job in order to survive!

    Not to buy a second BMW-X5 to go with the first Mercedes-500, but simply not to die of hunger, pay housing and communal services, have electricity, water, basic necessities, etc.
    I’m not talking about those few% who haven’t decided where it’s better to spend their vacation, either in the Caribbean or Thailand!!!

    The vast majority of ordinary people are already forced (and will continue to do so) to put off until later items, things and steps that they can LIVE without today.

    That is, they will not buy a new car, a refrigerator, a sweater, a jacket, shoes, boots, they will not buy new glasses with different optical lenses, a bag (over the shoulder) for commuting to work, and much more.

    This automatically means a REDUCTION in “turnover and income” for all auxiliary and higher quality services and goods (stores, services, services, etc.).

    In a word, if yesterday, in your city or village, entrepreneurs “fought and paid more” for the best retail space on the street, in the center and shopping centers.
    Then tomorrow or the day after tomorrow (2014-2015), you will notice that instead of beautiful showcases full of goods, buyers, there will ALL be more empty stores, consoles or with broken floors and dirt, with the obligatory large advertisements on the display:
    - “For sale, phone: ...”, “For rent, phone: ...”!!!

    And all because the majority of the people will need to SURVIVE and not CHIC!!!

    For example, I prefer to drink black beer and cold vodka. But if I don’t have a piece of bread, I will NOT buy beer or vodka and other pleasant and tasty “moments of life.”

    Continued >>>
  54. +3
    3 October 2013 16: 08
    Continuation No. 2.

    And regarding MIGRATION and “daily travel” for work, what Medvedev surprised you with a couple of days ago, get used to it... angry

    In one word: - “Hold your pince-nez, Kisa, it’s about to start!” sad

    Me for example (Slovakia, 2012-2013) from Dec. Last year, until mid-May this year, I spent 2 months on “shifts” at work 115 km from home (Mon-Fri). But due to the costs of hostel and food, then every day I traveled there and back 115+115 km/only 3+3 hours for travel + 8,5 work.
    in general, I got up in the morning at 04:00, from the village I took a bus at 05:12, from the city the train was at 05:36, then a transfer in Bratislava, then 55 km and I returned home at 19:10 or later, 115 + 115=230 km every day).

    The promised salary at the interview turned out to be lower, and I never received it in full.
    And I just have 2 diplomas, various certificates, permits, I speak and translate (professionally) only 5 languages ​​and much more, but I have already been given not 25 but only 53...

    In May 2013 I left this job because... Instead of my main job in electrical engineering and automation, I received a “new work assignment”, which, despite problems with income, I refused to carry out.

    Since stealing other people’s articles, descriptions and photos of other people’s devices and lines from the Internet and rewriting their names there with the name of the “former employer”, despite the prospect of starving to death and being left without a roof, I DID NOT.

    By the way, according to new trends, the owner of this company “Horns and Hooves”, my or rather your fellow countryman (he is a former citizen from Russia), calls the theft of intellectual property itself a “compilation of texts”?!
    As they say, “nothing personal, just entrepreneurship,” and on the web pages of this super-enterprise, 98% of all photos, tables, parameters and descriptions are stolen.

    So be attentive to beautiful words, promises and praises on the Internet, 80-90% of them are deception, but you will understand this only when you pay YOUR money for “nothing” or “marriage”.

    So, dear forum members,
    buy “tourist kits” for yourself in advance, travel bags, bags, suitcases on wheels, soon you will all be traveling regularly, including grandparents, if not for work, then for shopping and retirement.

    Best regards, Mikhailo! hi
  55. Hulk
    0
    3 October 2013 16: 30
    Quote: Volodin
    I began to notice that my modest name literally dazzled your comments. And in fact, there are always guesses, conjectures, and advice: the author, you see, sees poorly, then hears badly. Glad for your eyesight and your hearing. Thanks for the activity on the forum!


    If you write articles yourself and put them up for discussion, then discussing individual mistakes (from my point of view) of the author is the other side of public fame.
    I don’t know, maybe you were not beaten as a child on the neighboring streets and therefore you are not used to struggle and criticism. (this is not a guess, but a lack of information). I took part in courtyard battles and have a tough (not to be confused with cruel) character. True, he is probably the gentlest of my yard comrades. But I always welcome constructive criticism. Show me with facts where I am wrong and I will accept your point of view. I consider this my strong point.
    We probably also have fundamental differences in our views on life. But this is not a reason for me to consider you a bad person. Yes
    Sincerely Yours, (Sincerely yours)
    Hulk
    1. +5
      3 October 2013 16: 56
      Maybe you were not beaten in childhood on the neighboring streets, and therefore you are not used to struggle and criticism.

      This is an amazing comment, despite the fact that, as always, it is not in your discussion thread. smile In general, I tried to fight back right away, and in general I didn’t try to behave in such a way that they would beat me on the neighboring streets. smile Unfortunately, I don’t know what your name is, but the KVN guy in you is dying.
  56. +6
    3 October 2013 16: 36
    The economic policy of Pu and Me is simply a failure, relatively high prices for oil and gas are the only thing that saves this wretched government. Nothing has been done for ordinary people, who are the salt of Russia - for teachers, scientists, doctors, kindergarten teachers, builders ( they plug the holes with Tajiks), as if these people are a yoke and are preventing them from ideally “cutting” the money. Why was this idiotic entry into the WTO? Which Russians have this improved their lives? National agricultural producers are almost killed by all this buffalo, kangaroo and chicken legs. Navalny is disgusting, but this “Edro” is really a party of swindlers and thieves, licking all these Kerimovs, Vekselbergs, Kogans, Prokhorovs, Potanins and other “Russian” great production workers.
    When will you, real Russian brothers, knock off these freaks???!!!
    1. Arabist
      -3
      3 October 2013 16: 38
      Look at your “economic miracle” in 2011.
      1. 0
        3 October 2013 23: 04
        This “miracle” happened thanks to Pu, Me and other millers who, thirsting for Beltransgaz and other unsold and unbroken enterprises, screwed not even Lukashenko, but me, my neighbor and others who, working for the people (I’m a doctor), got screwed from fraternal Russia not help, but a count...
        1. Arabist
          0
          4 October 2013 17: 50
          Well, of course, who else?
        2. -2
          4 October 2013 19: 22
          So why should you suffer from this difficult “friendship” with Russia?! Go to your neighbors in Ukraine and the Baltic states. There you will be free and panicked.
    2. Yarosvet
      +5
      3 October 2013 18: 26
      Quote: Vittt
      licking all these Kerimovs, Vekselbergs, Kogans, Prokhorovs, Potanins
  57. msv
    0
    3 October 2013 16: 47
    Quote: andrejwz
    And you look who sits in the bred public councils, look at the composition of the popular front. Our society is represented by singing girls, comedians, and graphomaniacs diluted for variety with sports representatives. But where are the representatives of metallurgy, machine tool industry, grain growers and livestock breeders? And they are not perceived by the government (and the president) by the public. They are the electorate, and it is very voracious, problematic and necessary only for the period of the campaign.

    Or maybe they don’t really want it?
  58. 0
    3 October 2013 16: 50
    And we call those who criticize - critics. (from Khazanov’s monologue)
    Don't ask what America has done for YOU - ask what you have done for America (D. Kennedy)
    And if you change America to Rus' in this phrase and think about it .. and then still do something ..++++++++++
  59. +3
    3 October 2013 16: 53
    "sell to private owner"
    In my humble opinion, all the activities of the Medved government come down to this. And the daily zombie-mongering of the population that everything is bad, and it will be even worse - preparing public opinion for the fact that holes in the budget need to be patched up through the privatization of state assets that are "senior" comrades" have not yet had time to grab it, especially since the shares have fallen in price in the wake of the crisis. And it doesn’t matter that the budget will receive billions of dollars less from such privatization - “the population must be ready to change their place of work and even place of residence"
  60. Misantrop
    +3
    3 October 2013 16: 56
    Quote: kosopooz77
    "sell to private owner"
    In my humble opinion, all the activities of the Medved government come down to this.

    Maybe Medved himself (along with his ministers) should be sold to a private owner? Perhaps he will at least teach them how to work properly? what
    1. Cat
      +3
      3 October 2013 17: 08
      Quote: Misantrop

      Maybe Medved himself (along with his ministers) should be sold to a private owner? Perhaps he will at least teach them how to work properly?

      No sane private owner would allow such “workers” to come within a shot of his business, not to mention appointing them to positions higher than a janitor. Naturally, if this private owner is really the owner of the business, and not a figurehead in a company controlled by, we will not specify by whom exactly.
  61. +1
    3 October 2013 17: 07
    <!--QuoteBegin Misantrop
    Maybe Medved himself (along with his ministers) should be sold to a private owner? Perhaps he will at least teach them how to work properly? what[/quote -->
    Maybe Medved himself (along with his ministers) should be sold to a private owner? Perhaps he will at least teach them how to work properly? what[/ quote
    It seems to me that they have long been sold, and with giblets
    1. +1
      3 October 2013 19: 35
      Quote: kosopooz77
      Maybe Medved himself (along with his ministers) should be sold to a private owner?

      What for?
      It’s better if he changes his place of work and place of residence
  62. Hulk
    0
    3 October 2013 17: 11
    Quote: Volodin
    In general, I tried to fight back right away, and in general I didn’t try to behave in such a way that they would beat me on the neighboring streets.

    Character is forged in struggle. Remember "How the Steel Was Tempered"? I don't consider this a humorous work.
    It is not clear why you react so painfully to criticism.
    Just call me Hulk. Of course, I also have a name. But I prefer not to appear in public. Excuse me. And for the discussion thread, too.
    1. +3
      3 October 2013 17: 32
      I prefer not to appear in public
      . But what about the character, how is the hardening of steel? Or is this a closed process? smile
      Why do you react so painfully to criticism?

      Why did you decide that I was reacting painfully? The author’s response to a reader’s comment on Voennoye Obozreniye was never considered a manifestation of the disease. If this somehow offends you, I'm sorry. I won't answer anymore smile
  63. Hulk
    +2
    3 October 2013 19: 18
    Quote: Volodin
    Why did you decide that I was reacting painfully?

    Yes, it’s obvious from the outside. Especially when you are trying to make medical diagnoses.
    I, too, when I look at myself from the outside, am not ideal. But I am aware of it. And this is my strong point.
    Okay, I don’t dare distract you any longer.
    If you propose an article and I find weaknesses in your position, don’t blame me. lol
  64. +5
    3 October 2013 20: 35
    Quote: Yarosvet
    Quote: 10kAzAk01 Where is the vaunted Gazprom (national treasure of Russia)

    Sorry if I'm boring you with the inserts, but I looked and couldn't resist...
    1. +2
      3 October 2013 21: 06
      Good evening, dear!

      Thank you very much for the insert, good The SONG is good and the content is good too. True, in addition to laughter, there will be tears, but this is from solid reality.
  65. +9
    3 October 2013 20: 55
    How many days have they been kicking the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, Dimon, on the website? They kick deliciously, to the point and not to the point. The trend (I apologize for the non-Russian word) is like this. And Mr. Volodin with the article, as always, is on trend. I have a negative attitude towards any conspiracy theories, but in this situation I am overcome by doubts. Isn’t it, against the backdrop of the bankruptcy of Putinomics, that a performance is being played out for the broad masses? Doesn't Dimona's mouse swell into a DAM elephant? Gentlemen, I urge you to “give justice” to the iPhone, but not to make the Prince of Darkness out of a petty demon. There is his participation in the current crisis, but only as a representative of the system, and far from being the key one. I urge Putin’s supporters, who are swearing at Dimon, to accept that it is Putin’s economy and the personnel policy that follows from it that has gone bankrupt (politics and economics can be swapped), and Putin and Co. will not have another economy, even if Tolyan comes instead of Dimon , Stepan or, God forgive me, Abram, and refuse to support this course. The faster you do this, the cheaper it will be to rebuild the country.
    1. +2
      3 October 2013 21: 16
      Good evening, dear!

      You are right, but some do not want to understand the DANGERS and the more expensive price of CHANGE, with every day delaying the SOLUTION of the essence of the problem, i.e. REPLACEMENTS of "helmswomen and persons indicating the course."

      For others here on the VO website, apparently their work position or “instructions from superiors” do not allow this.

      Although, on the other hand, here on the VO website, the “new course” of “chanting” and not just a description of the works and methods of work, Stalin’s personnel policy and Beria’s efficiency, is probably NOT being carried out BY ITSELF? what

      Everything, as always, was accepted in the “former KGB”, it is calculated in advance, backup options and paths are prepared, but WE haven’t read the entire SCRIPT yet (it’s too early), so all that remains is “from the fragments”, to assemble the mosaic ourselves.
      The main thing is that our ideas can and will be correct!

      But we, FIRST OF ALL, need to think for ourselves and NOT BLINDLY FOLLOW the leads of various “directors behind the scenes”!
      hi
      1. +4
        3 October 2013 22: 45
        Good evening, Mikhailo. My name is Yuri. I always read your comments with interest and often find similarities in positions on the issues discussed.
        As for commentators who replicate posts “for work”, for money or other benefits, I classify them as political prostitutes, regardless of the content of the posts.
        Quote: michajlo
        Everything, as always, was accepted in the “former KGB”, calculated in advance,

        The KGB, for me, ended along with the state, whose security it could not or did not want to protect. After which it was destroyed. I don’t think that the new formation that arose on its ruins is capable of carrying out global multi-mode combinations. There is no political, ideological component in those “shards” for the “mosaic” that reach me. I think it is the idea that distinguishes a special service close to the caliber of the KGB from the security service and secret police. Loot, even a lot of money, is still not an idea.
        Quote: michajlo
        But we, FIRST OF ALL, need to think for ourselves and NOT BLINDLY FOLLOW the leads of various “directors behind the scenes”!

        It is unlikely that a thinking person will follow anyone BLINDLY. Another thing is that anyone can be used in the dark.
        1. +1
          4 October 2013 09: 50
          Good afternoon Yuri!

          I am glad to exchange thoughts and concerns with you, and none of us need a 100% coincidence of views; a commonality of views or approaches is sufficient.

          Regarding the KGB and its successors, you are right, perhaps only the KGB in the Republic of Belarus works FOR THE COUNTRY and not “on a tray of suitcases with banknotes”... The rest of the SPECIAL SERVICES in the post-USSR, alas, are at the beck and call of “financial criminals”.

          Regarding the fact that the KGB “was weakened”, I can offer you documents that in general it WAS NOT weakened in the 70-80s, but purposefully WORKED at full power and TOOK PART in the overthrow/carrying out of “velvet coups” in the ATS countries( 1989) and COLLAPSE THE USSR (1991), using the group of burglars “Gorby and Co” as a smoke cover for us, gullible citizens of the USSR.

          If you are interested in such materials, I can send them to you in the PS, by the way, I will ask you to do the proofreading for me, since I received an answer from the Admins that they say they have a lot of work to do to correct errors in translation / “correct content”, so I I won’t try to publish them here anymore.
          Soon they will be on Russian Wikipedia and there they can be read or suggested correction of my errors in grammar, style and spelling.
  66. +4
    3 October 2013 21: 45
    Quote: Gleb
    The prime minister explained that citizens need to get used to changing not only work, but also their profession and place of residence - thus, in fact, turning into a “mobile workforce”

    Let the prime minister start with himself...
  67. -3
    3 October 2013 21: 51
    I read everything carefully.
    It's a pity that there is very little competent analysis. Except that maxcor1974 and 3 other forum members touched on real problems.
    Not a single sensible proposal, alas. Almost exclusively - the usual “drive with a filthy broom”, “plant”, etc.
    To be honest, I myself don’t know how to spur economic growth. This is not known anywhere now, neither in the EU, nor in the USA, nor in China. Therefore, I will refrain from recipes. They consider it shameful to stoop to the level of “shoot and imprison.”
    I just wish the forum members would refrain from hysterics. The site is increasingly looking like an “echo of Moscow”, where the situation is portrayed as the collapse of everything. But I take the liberty to say that neither 5, nor 10, nor 20, nor 30 years ago the people of Russia lived better. And this is precisely what haunts many.
    I invite everyone to remember the 90s, when pensioners were starving and when factories did not pay wages. And at the same time remember the 70-80s, when practically nothing could be bought, but only “get it”. Remember “perestroika” with its coupons for everything you need. And much more. Although, it seems, some people lost their memory completely. But everything is fine with salivation.
    As our great Anton Pavlovich Chekhov said: “If you want to become an optimist and understand life, then stop believing what they say and write, but observe and delve into it.”
    1. New Russia
      +4
      3 October 2013 22: 19
      “To be honest, I don’t know how to spur economic growth. They don’t know this anywhere now.” Our crisis is internal to the system and is not connected with Europe and the United States. “I suggest everyone remember the 90s, when pensioners were starving, and when the factories did not pay wages. And at the same time, remember the 70s and 80s.” You can also remember 1920, when there was famine in the Volga region, compared to this, our government is certainly great it looks good, although the comparison with the 70s is incorrect. The main thing is not that they were starving, but that the people are dying out, this has never happened before, the government is fundamentally anti-people, and has nothing to do with the desires of the people.
      1. -1
        3 October 2013 22: 52
        What are you proposing? Again, “shoot, imprison, intimidate”? And what else?
        1. New Russia
          +2
          3 October 2013 23: 50
          What's wrong with "shooting"? :)
      2. +2
        4 October 2013 05: 39
        Quote: New Russia
        “To be honest, I don’t know how to spur economic growth. They don’t know this anywhere now.” Our crisis is internal to the system and is not connected with Europe and the United States. “I invite everyone to remember the 90s, when pensioners were starving and when factories did not pay wages.

        What has changed?
        Pensioners are starving a little less and can we close our eyes to this?
        Factories pay wages on time, but how comparable are these wages to the cost of living?

        You can boost the economy by increasing the purchasing power of millions, right?
        How to do it? Exactly the way the Americans did it in the 30s, 20th... Plus the inclusion of a printing press for this, i.e. increase in money supply. Plus, an appeal, and also the creation of conditions, to buy domestically produced goods...
        A big plus is government regulation of tariffs for natural monopolies.

        What's so difficult about it? What kind of brains are needed to understand this and what kind of brains are needed to not understand it at all??

        Hourly wages are an opportunity to equalize the labor income of the masses.
        We won’t talk about unearned workers - it’s stupid. Although, we admit that unearned income is the area of ​​activity of fiscal and special authorities, of which there are plenty in Russia today.

        Quite a few things have been said and retold about the above in different periods of recent times, including by the top officials of the Russian state...
        But things are there.

        Why, what do you think??
        1. New Russia
          0
          4 October 2013 11: 34
          These are not my words, I quoted Kisly :)
    2. +1
      3 October 2013 22: 25
      You shouldn’t be talking about “echo”/.
      on an intuitive level, each of us knows what to do - and the phrases “shoot” and “imprison” are from the inside, this is where our characteristic heightened sense of justice comes into play.
      1. 0
        3 October 2013 22: 51
        Everyone has their own justice. What is fair for one is unfair for another. There is no universal justice. What is fair for a pickpocket is unfair for his victim. What is fair for a slacker is unfair for a toiler. So it was and will be.
        Therefore, when they propose to build a society on the principles of justice, one is tempted to ask: whose understanding of justice will be taken as a basis?
        In fact of the matter.
        The desire to “shoot everyone” is not a “heightened sense of justice,” but it is inflated self-esteem, it is confidence that one’s opinion is binding on everyone, it is illiteracy, it is contempt for people of a different opinion, it is simply laziness and an unwillingness to delve into the problem.
        And don’t talk about the intuitive level.
        1. 0
          3 October 2013 23: 17
          in some moments / comments / I agree - there are excesses in slogans and cries.
          I listened to Putin’s speech to the United Russia people today -
          - after all, he said things - decide everything yourself at the regional level.
          It’s stupid to argue here - he speaks fluently, he knows how.
          and I am for the theory of small things.
          1. +1
            3 October 2013 23: 48
            You're talking about justice here.
            I have a friend. Quite an envious person. And a staunch opponent of the current government.
            I am sure that he will always be an opponent of any government.
            Healthy woodpecker, 28 years old. I turned away from the army. His salary is 11 thousand a month, and his wife’s is about the same. I could easily find a more expensive job. If anything, in Soviet times I plowed without straightening my back. After demobilizing from the SA, I worked as a bus driver (not an easy job, I assure you), while receiving an education, then went to serve in the combat units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, where in the 90s there was enough hard and dirty work (the Caucasus alone is worth it). He rose to the rank of lieutenant colonel. In short, when I was young I didn’t think about a quiet life, although I also had a family.
            Now I’m on a well-deserved pension (I could live on it), I’m in my 6s, but I’m also working hard at two jobs. I usually come home after 20.00. Thanks to this, I don’t complain about life. I have everything I need. And I can relax on vacation at a level not like my friend. He wanders around the city during his vacation, and I have already traveled half of Europe. And who is stopping him? Putin? Medvedev? Obama?
            From his point of view, justice is when everyone is given the same piece. Why do I need this? I have different ideas about justice. I’ll earn my share myself, without the kind uncle-president that many people dream of.
            Life is an interesting thing. And in fact, it depends mainly on us, and not on the authorities.
            1. +1
              4 October 2013 00: 04
              Dear sour, I don’t understand your neighbor’s example. By the way, there are thousands of them, and their name is legion.
              I hasten to inform you about my life principles - I am generally against statehood, in any form.
              I don't care who earns how much.
            2. New Russia
              +1
              4 October 2013 00: 07
              “A healthy woodpecker, 28 years old. He retired from the army. His salary is 11 thousand a month, and his wife’s is about the same.”
              Most likely he is a teacher or a doctor, so your snideness is wrong...
              1. -1
                4 October 2013 17: 33
                My neighbor's mother has a son, the same "teacher". As with the ITK, you get fired from your job after 1-3 months. There the guard will swell, here the guard will swell. And he also “rakes money with a shovel.”
          2. New Russia
            +6
            3 October 2013 23: 56
            “Elections have just taken place, and across almost the entire territory of the country, United Russia, despite great responsibility, confirmed its leadership: it retained its position almost everywhere, and in many regions of the Russian Federation even strengthened it,” Putin said at a meeting with the secretaries of the primary organizations of the United Russia party.
            Putin doesn’t understand that EdRo is for the people the same as SPS and PARNAS? :) Putin forgot to say that the turnout in most regions was 20%, for EdRo 50%, thus, all officials and law enforcement agencies ensured EdRo “victory” , only this is a Pyrrhic victory
        2. +3
          4 October 2013 11: 54
          Quote: Sour
          To be honest, I don’t know how to spur economic growth.

          Oh how! So why criticize others? However, I agree that extremism is, as a rule, of little use. Cold calculation is needed - this is the only way there is a chance to cope with a critical situation. Unfortunately, this is very difficult to learn.
          Quote: Sour

          Everyone has their own justice. What is fair for one is unfair for another. There is no universal justice. What is fair for a pickpocket is unfair for his victim. ...

          But there is no need, excuse me, for rotten philosophy and substitution of concepts. This is tantamount to: “let’s let the killer go - we don’t know the motives: he needed it for something!”

          There is a criterion of usefulness or harmfulness in relation to (in the current context) society. There is a concept of universal human values. Here are the evaluation criteria for you.
          1. 0
            4 October 2013 17: 36
            iConst RU Today, 11: 54 ↑
            Quote: Sour
            To be honest, I don’t know how to spur economic growth.
            Oh how! So why criticize others? However, I agree that extremism is, as a rule, of little use. Cold calculation is needed - this is the only way there is a chance to cope with a critical situation. Unfortunately, this is very difficult to learn.

            Are you a world-class economist who reproaches Kisly?! Would you be so kind as to tell us how to combat the decline in GDP growth?!
  68. +1
    3 October 2013 22: 11
    Medvedev is successfully promoting the plan of our enemies: Russia should be a raw material appendage to the world economy.
    1. +4
      3 October 2013 23: 28
      Quote: Budilnik
      Medvedev is successfully promoting the agenda of our enemies

      And you call Putin on it.
  69. +2
    3 October 2013 22: 28
    Quote: Budilnik
    Medvedev is successfully promoting the plan of our enemies: Russia should be a raw material appendage to the world economy.


    Whether with or without Medvedev, the raw material appendage is there.
    But what's the point in blaming everything on a doll in someone else's hands?
  70. -3
    3 October 2013 22: 38
    Medvedev and his comrades will soon be writing memoirs in London...how they fought against the Putnin Empire...A new time is coming, a new generation...in Russia! And they remember everything...(in London no one will sit out...and in the states too...We will return all the money! This is how things are in the tank forces..)))
    1. +5
      3 October 2013 23: 15
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Medvedev and his comrades will soon write their memoirs in London

      Soon, when do you think? Today Putin and Medvedev met with United Russia activists, which was broadcast without cuts by Russia24. There was not a shadow of contradiction between VVP and DAM; they sat side by side on the presidium, party members listened to both, reverently asking questions. The tandem answered questions in detail, complementing each other with a smile. Both in the questions and in the answers there is not a hint of a crisis of power. Idyll.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      against the Putnin Empire

      Gazprom and Rosneft?
      Quote: MIKHAN
      (in London no one will sit out... and in the states too... We will return all the money!)

      Meehan, are you the owner of a hat factory? Or do you import Chinese ones? In every topic you throw them at your enemies.
  71. +2
    3 October 2013 23: 20
    Quote: Karabin
    In every topic you throw them at your enemies.

    Moreover, the enemies don’t give a damn about it.
    Some wrong enemies were caught.
  72. Captain oh
    -3
    3 October 2013 23: 59
    Before criticizing our government, in their intellectual kitchens, they should have achieved something themselves. These are educated people who were chosen by the PEOPLE! And because of people like this, you ruined the country.
    There is nothing to argue here, it would be better if they worked normally. Everyone can reason, but how to do it? Same! Improvements in life are obvious, remember the scoop! Drive around foreign countries, in cool cars, in stores there is more choice than in Europe. I'm ashamed of you in front of our leaders. Under the Soviet Union, they would have been jailed for such verbiage. If you don’t like living under democracy, go to North Korea to work for food and ideas!
    1. New Russia
      +2
      4 October 2013 00: 04
      “Before criticizing, our government would have achieved something in its intellectual kitchens themselves. These are educated people who were chosen by the PEOPLE!” I hope this is sarcasm? :)
      “Improvements in life are obvious, remember the scoop!” I apologize for taking this as a serious opinion, I’ve met stubborn people here who spoke in your words, but without sarcasm :)
      1. Captain oh
        -5
        4 October 2013 00: 12
        Here is another example of a dissenting pseudo intelligentsia! Don't like living in a free society? You have a choice of Iran, Syria, Belarus and leader Kim CHAN YU. There is order as you like and there is no corruption at all.
    2. 0
      4 October 2013 00: 14
      Don't drink wine Gertrude. /With/
  73. stranik72
    +3
    4 October 2013 06: 08
    Everything comes from Mother Nature, there are weak and there are strong, we Russian people are weak (tolerated), they are the authorities (most often, by the way, not Russian in spirit, and even in blood), arrogant (strong). So, the strongest survive, and they will not leave much room for us on this earth until we, the people, understand this; they will have us and our children in all poses. So, gentlemen, let’s move, just not under the flag of the swamp, apparently by 2017 it’s time to think about the red flag again and become strong, so that such evil dwarfs do not ruin the country and us.
    1. +1
      4 October 2013 10: 32
      Good morning dear Evgeniy!

      I think more of us will stand under the red banner than under all other flags in the post-USSR!

      And since the peaceful pause is coming to an end, from “grumbling in the kitchen” and “at the keyboard”, we still need to look around and look for, promote forward (or simply TELL THEM about our support) true patriots of the USSR COUNTRY! And various day laborers, dolls with frozen faces or fake smiles, you just need to not perceive, but think about your own, about the future of your children and grandchildren.

      - Why is it better for any government to pit us against each other?
      Why is any government so afraid that we will UNITE and start NOT LISTENING and FOLLOWING their INSTRUCTIONS, but REFLECTING and thinking,
      - How will this end, that they will steal from us again?
      - and that OURS will again turn out to be “THEIR private”?
  74. +3
    4 October 2013 07: 14
    It is a shame not so much for the fact that one of our neighbors has overtaken Russia in terms of economic growth rates (for most of our neighbors, one can only rejoice), but for the fact that the economic policy pursued in the country in the presence of enormous natural resources, scientific and industrial potentials literally puts on all these potentials and resources is a bold cross. Instead of starting work, rolling up our sleeves, the chairman of the government announces to us that the global economy is forcing this very government to cut budget spending, and this still “should not touch” the commitments made to ensure the social sector. Like, we’ll cut the budget by 5%, but we’ll pay for everything, we’ll provide everything, we’ll build everything - you see, you just have to believe ...


    There is no need to steal... And we will be happy...
  75. +1
    4 October 2013 13: 33
    Thank you, Alexey for the information, but while reading carefully I noticed
    The forecast for the annual growth of the PRC economy today is 7,5-7,6% (4,2 times more than Russia), the forecast for India's GDP growth is 4,8% (2,7 times higher than Russia), the forecast for Brazil's GDP growth is at least 3% (1,2 times higher than in Russia), similar to Brazilian indicators in the South African economy.
  76. 0
    4 October 2013 13: 41
    Thank you, Alexey for the information, but while reading carefully I noticed
    The forecast for the annual growth of the PRC economy today is 7,5-7,6% (4,2 times more than Russia), the forecast for India's GDP growth is 4,8% (2,7 times higher than Russia), the forecast for Brazil's GDP growth is at least 3% (1,2 times higher than in Russia), similar to Brazilian indicators in the South African economy.


    read above in the article
    Since the beginning of the year, GDP in Russia has grown by only 1,5%, although at the beginning of the year government structures announced plans for 3,6% growth for the year.


    Alexey, the question is simple, why are you comparing the forecast for countries around the world with the fact here? Isn't it easier to wait until 2014 and draw conclusions?! I didn’t notice that you were “running ahead of the cart.”
  77. Am
    0
    4 October 2013 17: 45
    There’s no need to steal, and you don’t need to go to prison for theft... and you don’t even need to listen to our politicians, they’re just talking nonsense
  78. XHELLBOY
    +1
    4 October 2013 21: 40
    On this topic I can say the following: in Russia the problem is not fools, but swindlers on a national scale. And stories about the severity of “reforms”, the vast territory of the country and the specific mentality of the population living on it are the machinations of the same nationalized thieves and thieves, lavishly cultivated authorities. When a ruble is given and three are stolen, one can hardly talk about any growth.
  79. pawel
    +1
    4 October 2013 22: 14
    Quote: APASUS
    Quote: Civil
    The culprits have already been named, they are ordinary people who work poorly and ask for a salary.

    I have already been bullied by these legends about labor productivity. If we work in the press of the 30s
    even though you can’t stand cancer, even though you can’t write out an American, you can’t produce more than it already produces. But the fact that these wonderful businessmen do not want to modernize production and often just finish it, stupidly milk it. Why is it not customary for us to say !?