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Syrian refugees in Sweden: how to make an elephant out of a fly

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It all started with the fact that the publicist Israel Shamir published an article in the “Komsomolskaya Pravda” from 23 of September “Look at Sweden before it was washed away.” The author reported that fifteen thousand Syrian refugees had arrived in Sweden, and taking into account the families of the latter, the number of migrants who arrived would grow to one hundred thousand. For sensational information about the unprecedented mass influx of migrants from Syria, Nikolai Starikov clung, suggesting that Sweden, on the instructions of the United States, would take care of and feed the cadres “for a future war in Central Asia, in Russia, in China.” The old men even wrote that the entire "terrorist international" would move to the country of the skerries.


Syrian refugees in Sweden: how to make an elephant out of a fly


What a horror. Well, and then these terrorists, of course, bearded, and with the Kalashnikovs, showing new Swedish passports on the border, will rush to Russia in thousands to build a Sharia state there and cut off the heads with the wrong ones. Apparently, this is exactly what the Swedes, who are extremely afraid of aggressive Russians, are ready to trample Sweden, and inadvertently Finland, to the music of the ABBA quartet.

The Swedes are not so stupid as to not guess: the Sharia will be arranged first in their homeland.

Therefore, about any one hundred thousand from Syria we are not talking. Not to mention the fact that militants are supposedly moving to Stockholm as if by whole divisions.

Quote from an article by Israel Shamir:

“So far, fifteen thousand Syrian refugees have arrived in Sweden, but taking into account their families, this is already one hundred thousand migrants, which is quite a lot for a country with a population smaller than the Leningrad Region — about eight million people live in Sweden, and two million of them have foreign roots - have they or their parents moved both from the close Baltic, Finland, Russia, and from distant Latin America, the Balkans, Africa. 22 has a million people living in Syria, millions of refugees, their number is increasing every day in anticipation of American bombings, and Sweden is the only country in the world ready to accept them and provide them with a new home.

Many Syrian refugees in Lebanon, Jordan, and Turkey rushed to the Swedish consulates for visas, but this was not the case. A refugee is one who has reached. In order for a Syrian to take refuge, he must first reach Sweden, and this is not easy. She is very far away. And yet, probably many will reach. Every traveler receives 700 euros per month, not counting the paid apartment. Maybe in Syria it was better than in the harsh Circumpolar, but in Sweden - not bombed. "


(A source: "TVNZ" from 23 September).

Let's try to be as precise and objective as possible.

The population of Sweden is not “about eight million people”, but 9.516.617 people (2012 year, data World Bank).

According to information from the Swedish Migration Board, which appeared in the 3 press on September 2013, it was decided to give those Syrian refugees who live in Sweden a permanent residence permit. They are also allowed to take on members of their families. Sverigesradio.se reports on 8000 Syrians, and those who were given the right to reside in Sweden a year ago on 3. We are talking about the reunification of refugee families, which cannot but be recognized as an act of humanism.

“The conflict, if it is possible to call it so mildly, has deepened considerably. Since we do not see the possibility of its completion in the foreseeable time, the existing practice should be changed. The laws of international law come into effect, according to which they (refugees from Syria) have the right to permanent residence permits, this is exactly the decision we made, ”said Anders Danielsson, Director General of the Migration Board.

At the same time, Mr. Danielsson specifies that they understand in Sweden: more and more people will strive to get into the country.

The Swedish Radio also reports that, to date, 1600 Syrians, who have a temporary permit to reside in Sweden, have applied to the Migration Board with a request for family reunification.

The same numbers can be seen in the September 3 material. "Radio Liberty": Eight thousand Syrian refugees residing in the country and 1600 Syrians who applied to the Swedish Migration Board for family reunification.

We go further. You should know exactly what the number is - fifteen thousand Syrian refugees. No, the author did not take it from the ceiling.

Approximately this total number of Syrian refugees is reported in the Swedish newspaper "The Local" (English version of September 13). The note states that hundreds of Syrians who want to get a permanent residence permit, daily express their disappointment that Sweden makes them wait in long lines outside the embassies. What kind of embassies are we talking about? About those that are in Egypt, Jordan and Turkey.

Meanwhile, the situation is as follows: relatives of those who have already received a residence permit in Sweden must first get to Sweden. Standing at the door of the Swedish embassy in any country will lead to nothing.

The newspaper writes that a total of 2012 Syrians came to Sweden in 2013-14700 years to seek asylum. Within the EU, Sweden and Germany accepted the largest number of refugees from a war-torn country. And Sweden became the first country in the EU to offer permanent residence to refugees from Syria.

However, the Migration Service (Migrationsverket) will not issue permits to anyone. The note states that specific cases will be studied. The service is fully aware of the risk: after all, war criminals can also seek asylum.

Today, only those 8000 Syrians can change the status of temporary residents in the country. They will be offered a permanent residence permit.

As for their relatives, we add from ourselves, they will have to first get to Sweden. Truly: "A refugee is the one who has reached."

By the way, with regard to migrant families, Swedish legislation may soon become more liberal.

In a material from 20 September Swedish Radio notes that at the party convention of the Center, which is part of the ruling "Alliance for Sweden", delegates voted to liberalize migration policy.

From now on, the party line aims to ensure that Sweden accepts as migrants and relatives of the second and third level: grandmothers, grandfathers, aunt, uncle of the relatives of those refugees who had previously received a residence permit. The party board insisted that the host families themselves should finance the accommodation, but the delegates of the congress did not support this installation. This means that additional “links” can receive in Sweden equal living conditions with the first migrants. But for now this is only the decision of the party congress.

Let's return to the “risks”.

5 September 2013 of Swedish Radioreferring to the newspaper “Dagens Nyheter”, published a note stating that about 10 Syrian refugees received a refusal of political asylum from the State Migration Board. Just these people are suspected of committing war crimes in Syria.

Thus, one hundred thousand Syrian refugees to Sweden in the near future is unlikely to get. But war criminals Stockholm is not at all eager to encourage benefits and surround with other social care. 14700 people, of whom 8000 still have to pass an inspection of the migration department, are not that many for a country with a population of 9,5 million people.

And now let's see how Comrade Starikov developed the theme of Syrian refugees in Sweden. Here are some of it findings, inspired by the reading of the article of Israel Shamir in Komsomolskaya Pravda:

“A pro-American party rules in Sweden ... <...> Washington decided to create a springboard for the militants who are now fighting in Syria. <...> Militants are needed for a future war in Central Asia, in Russia, in China. They need to be saved, give shelter. And Washington "asks" Sweden to accept them. The pro-American government takes under the hood and begins to let everyone into the country, hiding behind the philanthropic rhetoric. <...> 15 thousands of militants already arrived are two battered divisions. I would not be surprised if the children were transported to Sweden by a charter flight. With the help of American or British "partners". Their families will follow. ”


This is not all. Further:

“... NOT ONLY militants - ethnic Syrians will move to Sweden. Will move the whole "terrorist international". They will be called "refugees" who have lost their documents and will arrive. <...> ... to St. Petersburg, to our border, within reach. Militants will receive absolutely true Swedish passports and will go with us to them. ”


Therefore, our need to keep ears on top:

“After half a year - a year, our border guards need to look closely and carefully check the Swedish citizens of“ Arab nationality. ”


It is easy for Starikov to enlist refugees from Syria — all fifteen thousand — as militants!

Directly the theory of world conspiracy against Russia, and not an attempt by Sweden to give shelter to several thousand victims in Syria and reunite them with their families. Moreover, these distant family members will have to travel to Sweden in difficult and dangerous ways, because the phenomenon in the Swedish embassy somewhere in fraternal Turkey, which is not difficult for many militants, is just not a ride.

Of course, those who will receive benefits in Sweden (700 euro per month, according to Shamir) will not go to Russia in half a year. They generally will not go there. There, the well-fed unemployed life they can not see. As for the restless builders of the Shari'a, then why don’t they turn around in Stockholm? Or, say, in Berlin - which recently объявил about plans to shelter 5000 Syrian refugees?
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  1. stvgol
    stvgol 3 October 2013 08: 08 New
    +9
    The whole point of the article comes down to the idea that there will not be 3 Syrian terrorists, but one division.
    And the last paragraph is generally pearl.
    The behavior of the "non-terrorists" can be recalled from the latest events in May this year in Stockholm.
    1. atalef
      atalef 3 October 2013 10: 04 New
      +8
      Quote: stvgol
      The whole point of the article comes down to the idea that there will not be 3 Syrian terrorists, but one division.
      And the last paragraph is generally pearl.
      The behavior of the "non-terrorists" can be recalled from the latest events in May this year in Stockholm.

      again the famous storyteller Shamir. In general, he usually mows under the Israeli (having lived in Israel for me for 6 years), and has been living in Sweden for more than 35 years. It’s interesting to Samara that his articles about Israel are perceived as almost true in the last resort. In which he hates Jews, writes about that terrible life among Arabs in Israel. But here his beloved Arabs came to the well-known truth-seeker, to his native Sweden. What started here. Of course, it’s easier to love Arabs when they are far away (for example, in Israel) than when they suddenly become your neighbors in Sweden. Here, of course, there is no order, we need to start raising the universal schucher and inflating an elephant from a fly (who knows who, and Shamir knows how to do it) All this is sewn with white thread, Shamir is a market conjuncturer, his articles can only be treated as a vile paper-cutter that does not bring facts, and adjusts them solely to their worldview.
    2. honest jew
      honest jew 3 October 2013 12: 31 New
      -3
      And why not Russia to place refugees from Syria at home? After all, Syria is an ally of Russia. Yes, and the Syrians could help Russia in the development of the Far East and Siberia !!!
      1. atalef
        atalef 3 October 2013 12: 37 New
        +2
        And why not Russia to place refugees from Syria at home? After all, Syria is an ally of Russia. Yes, and the Syrians could help Russia in the development of the Far East and Siberia !!!

        because Arabs are very beautiful to love at a distance when they are several thousand km away, all these patriots screaming about their willingness to give their lives for Syria - maybe they just took and sheltered a family - another of Syrian refugees. Or I would have looked how the mood of the Russians would have changed. if only 20-30 tons of refugees came from Syria. The best allies, Syria are in no hurry to help refugees, wounded (even Syrian soldiers). But they scream beautifully when Israel treats wounded Syrian children.
        Sweden accepts refugees, and why Russia is not?
        1. Mairos
          Mairos 3 October 2013 12: 49 New
          +9
          Russia helps more than that, we already have a lot of visitors from Syria, just no one does PR. He did a good deed and thank God for what to yell to the whole world "Oh, how good I am."
          1. atalef
            atalef 3 October 2013 13: 23 New
            -1
            Quote: Mairos
            Russia helps more than that, we already have a lot of visitors from Syria, just no one does PR. He did a good deed and thank God for what to yell to the whole world "Oh, how good I am."

            It is possible without fairy tales. Show me at least one child from Syria (or a soldier) being treated in Russia. Show me at least one refugee family, or a mention in the press.
            I would never believe that the media would shut up and miss it. so to speak solely from natural modesty.
            1. RussianRu
              RussianRu 3 October 2013 13: 46 New
              0
              I would never believe that the media would shut up and miss it. so to speak solely from natural modesty.

              There is no sensation here. So faq them (media) print.
              1. atalef
                atalef 3 October 2013 15: 16 New
                +1
                Quote: Russian
                There is no sensation here. So faq them (media) print.

                He laughed, you yourself believe that no newspaper (including Tomorrow), no media (including Anna News) would write anything.
                Well chesslovo. Be adequate, there are no patients, there are no refugees --- therefore there is no sensation, there is nothing to write about.
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 4 October 2013 12: 15 New
                  0
                  Ignorance of this information does not give you a reason to blame us. hi
            2. erg
              erg 3 October 2013 14: 34 New
              +8
              I don’t know how many Syrians we have, but I’ll tell you about one. The institution in which I work (deporting illegal immigrants) contained one Syrian who was illegally located in Russia (did not have refugee status. He arrived before the war to study, dropped out, continued to live illegally. We have many such students, especially from Africa, well, from the east come across). So I once asked him for whom he was, for the president or for the opposition. He almost began to tear a vest on himself. The President is a bastard, but his apple, etc. etc. Documents were drawn up for him to return to his homeland, bailiffs took him to the airport, but he does not want to fly away to his homeland and that’s all. Well, the bailiffs jokingly told him that you have a chance to speak out against the president, you will come, take up arms and will defend your convictions in the ranks of the opposition. So his tantrum happened, he had to handcuff him in an airplane, he set off to run away.
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            4. wax
              wax 4 October 2013 01: 31 New
              +1
              Criticism, however, in this respect fair.
              http://grani.ru/blogs/free/entries/218445.html
              http://www.kp.ru/online/news/1547234/
              http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/20130925154411.shtml
              But Russia is doing the most for the people of Syria, helping to resolve the issue of peace in Syria itself. Supporting terrorists in Syria and lustfully looking at Syrian territories (the Golan Heights are especially seductive), while showing concern for several hundred Syrian refugees, is, after all, a hypocrisy.
          2. atalef
            atalef 3 October 2013 15: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: Mairos
            Russia helps more than we have already come from Syria


            The only ones apparently available

            Quote: erg
            I don’t know how many Syrians we have, but I’ll tell you about one. The institution in which I work (deporting illegal immigrants) contained one Syrian who was illegally located in Russia (did not have refugee status. He arrived before the war to study, dropped out, continued to live illegally
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 3 October 2013 17: 17 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          all these patriots screaming about their readiness to give their lives for Syria - maybe they just would have taken and sheltered a family - another refugee

          Shelters and refugees lived with us, not from the Syrian war, but still the fact is clear
          1. atalef
            atalef 3 October 2013 18: 36 New
            0
            Quote: Setrac
            Shelters and refugees lived with us, not from the Syrian war, but still the fact is clear

            And what does it have to do with it? The fact that they helped others is honored and respected. Only this does not have a relationship with Syrian friends. I certainly understand the full degree of indignation of those who are minuscule when they hear the not very convenient truth.
            Only here is what to minus and break into volunteers on the Syrian front (the third year in a row, but still not leaving) would help one Syrian child and not sending weapons, but simply cure
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 3 October 2013 20: 47 New
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              would help one Syrian child and not by sending weapons, but simply cure

              So that it was not necessary to treat the Syrian children, you do not cripple them. And do not kill their parents so that there is someone to take care of them - the Syrian children.
        3. Dober
          Dober 3 October 2013 17: 29 New
          +2
          Arabs are very beautiful to love in the distance, when they are several thousand km away

          I agree with this 100%. Is always. This, incidentally, applies to all others. Where he was born, and fit. If not, then do not impose on other earthlings. Everyone must ask himself, "Are you where it is good and without you, you need it?"
          Quote: atalef
          Sweden accepts refugees, and why Russia is not?

          There is a difference between Sweden and SWEDISH. Shamir speaks about this.
          Who in Syria is most at risk right now? Non-Muslims.
          Once, a “pimple” was telling and dragging a video about the Jewish quarter in Damascus (?). It has long been empty.
          A lot of Syrians and Christians (was?). If they turned through the ROC to any Christian compound, they would have been accepted there without hesitation. And they would live as long as they wanted. It is also possible for families what to do sometimes (as a minimum it is not recommended in monasteries). But here's the thing, sooner or later it will be necessary to bear feasible duty at the monastery. even just practicing your piece of bread. Absolutely uncomplicated (he himself was at Solovki last year). But these "Arabs" do not want to do this in principle. It’s better to waddle the thresholds of social services for months, begging for rubles, euros, shares, than to work with your hands "on the construction sites of socialism" ...
          Quote: atalef
          when Israel treats wounded Syrian children.

          And not for shekels ????? ..... Then the whole millennial concept of Judaism tries ...
          And if I get a pair of teeth in a fight in Berlin with the policemen, then maybe the tusks in Tel Aviv will be repaired. Of course with the status of "rabid from the bloody regime Merkel" laughing
          1. atalef
            atalef 3 October 2013 18: 46 New
            -3
            Quote: Dober
            A lot of Syrians and Christians (was?). If they turned through the ROC to any Christian compound, they would have been accepted there without hesitation. And they would live as long as they wanted. It is possible and families what sometimes to do

            What about suggesting for yourself? Or do you think 9 million Syrian refugees in tents are better than in a village under some sort of Tambov? Why does Sweden give them refugee status, but Russia does not?

            Quote: Dober
            But here's the thing, sooner or later it will be necessary to bear feasible duty at the monastery. even just practicing your piece of bread.

            What about monasteries and conscription? Let not the hand of the giver be scanty. You are all here (EXACTLY MOST) POSITION YOURSELF as friends of Syria and the people, so4 help, shelter while they are at war. Or have you worked out the bread, and if not, then dear friends, make peace with yourself? We will help you a few Facebook likes laughing

            Quote: Dober
            But these "Arabs" do not want to do this in principle. It’s better to waddle the thresholds of social services for months, begging for rubles, euros, shares, than to work with your hands "on the construction sites of socialism" ...

            What do these Arabs mean? These are your friends, you give them weapons for many billions, as it is not clear.
            You are no different from Shamir, the same one loves Arabs very much - when they do nasty things to Israel and absolutely do not want to see them next to them

            Quote: Dober
            And not for shekels ????? ..... Then the whole millennial concept of Judaism tries ..

            Really nah. Because To date, 113 children and women from Syria are being treated in Israel, while they somehow treat them for shekels (which I pay in taxes), and not for rubles that are ready to tear a vest (for Syria) with patriots
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 3 October 2013 20: 50 New
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              Really nah. Because To date, 113 children and women from Syria are being treated in Israel, while they somehow treat them for shekels (which I pay in taxes), and not for rubles that are ready to tear a vest (for Syria) with patriots

              One Israeli air raid on Syria cost more than all medical assistance to the Syrians.
              1. faraon
                faraon 4 October 2013 00: 22 New
                0
                question to whom it cost more?
                Israeli taxpayer?
                Syrian taxpayer,?
                Russian taxpayer?
                Who?
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 4 October 2013 14: 36 New
                  -1
                  Quote: faraon
                  question to whom it cost more?
                  Israeli taxpayer?
                  Syrian taxpayer,?
                  Russian taxpayer?
                  Who?

                  It doesn’t matter, it’s important that you spend several times more on killing Syrian children than on survivors.
                  1. faraon
                    faraon 4 October 2013 20: 50 New
                    0
                    well, if you are so sure, then give specific facts, but YOU are silent about the fact that refugees from Sudan women and children made their way from Egypt to the Israeli border, and their soldiers of the Egyptian army shot like mad dogs, or the last shot from Syria as rebels They cut the throats of Christian priests, and destroyed everything living in their path. Or, this is from another category, it is possible.
                    so dear, if you are so sure of your innocence, give statistics on how many people of the civilian population suffered from Israeli bombing
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 4 October 2013 21: 51 New
                      +1
                      Quote: faraon
                      , you are just hiding the fact that Sudanese refugees women and children made their way from Egypt to the Israeli border, and their Egyptian army soldiers shot like mad dogs

                      What does Syria and Egypt have to do with it?
                      Quote: faraon
                      the rebels cut the throats of Christian priests, and destroyed everything living in their path. Or, this is from another category, it is possible.

                      Not the rebels, but the terrorists who were trained, armed and sent to fight with the money of the USA and Britain, with the money of the same Jews as you. The blood of these Christians is on your conscience, but you don’t have a conscience, in the West they have long forgotten such a word.
                      Quote: faraon
                      how many civilians were affected by Israeli bombing

                      No matter how many, the dead were, including children, and not a few.
                      1. faraon
                        faraon 4 October 2013 22: 21 New
                        0
                        Well, well, if a Muslim kills a Muslim, this is nothing normal; but if a Jew, then you already need to go to the Hague court and defend without Arabs who are guilty of suffering (brotherly people)
                        And in the same way, it can be argued that with the money of the citizens of the Russian Federation, or you think that Russia is fraternally motivated and helps Syria free of charge (the days of the USSR have passed. So international assistance to the fraternal people no longer rolls), the whole world already knows how many citizens of the Russian Federation participates on the side of the rebels (terrorists). So let's leave the question of conscience to politicians and diplomats.
                        As for the dead (civilian population) from the Israeli bombing, I have to disappoint you, there weren’t any. (There should be no children or civilian population at a military facility)
                        So do not ascribe to Israel what was not and could not be.
                      2. chehywed
                        chehywed 5 October 2013 00: 07 New
                        -1
                        Quote: faraon
                        As for the dead (civilian population) from the Israeli bombing, I have to disappoint you, there weren’t any. (There should be no children or civilian population at a military facility)

                        Well, this is already hypocrisy. I'm not talking about the wives and children of officers (although the probability of their presence is 50 / 50), but there are objects that are attended by civilian specialists. Scientific centers for example.
                      3. faraon
                        faraon 5 October 2013 16: 54 New
                        -1
                        These objects were not subjected to bombardment. Believe that if there had been something, the world community would have informed about this for a long time. And you personally rubbed your hands joyfully. All operations carried out by Israel on the sea and in the air are accompanied by video filming. so that patriots cheering for fraternal people like you could not unfoundedly charge against the excessive use of weapons. The second president of Syria was perfectly aware, both through diplomatic and other channels, that the weapons would be transferred to Hezbollah it will not be destroyed if he knew about it why he didn’t prevent it. He wouldn’t give a damn about his people if he didn’t prevent this step. So why should Israel have a headache and why do you address Israel with these accusations.
                      4. chehywed
                        chehywed 5 October 2013 18: 03 New
                        -1
                        Quote: faraon
                        . So why Israel should have a headache and why YOU are addressing Israel with these allegations.

                        Because Israel is bombing the military and civilian facilities of a sovereign state and doing so out of the blue.
                      5. faraon
                        faraon 5 October 2013 20: 00 New
                        0
                        I wrote and will write to you in past comments once before Israel begins any military operations against some kind of sovereign state, it will inform about it at first through diplomatic channels, then through secret channels, and when these possibilities are exhausted, everyone will know about the fact that Israel will conduct a military operation including the UN Israel conducts the operation, of course, the time H is not indicated. Nobody trumpets on every corner and does not make sensations since everyone knows everyone heard everyone is informed. for example, Israel He says that he is going to end the Iranian Nuclear Program, I hope you have heard about it, and even more so it was voiced by the Prime Minister at the UN Assembly. So all your statements are quiet, because of the angle and other delights this is pure fiction or can be regarded like anti-simitism.
                  2. faraon
                    faraon 5 October 2013 16: 59 New
                    0
                    Yes, and I want to add this is not the middle zone of Russia where the families of officers serve together, Syria, whatever you think it is, is a country in the Middle East, which is subject to its ethical standards, As for women and children. A Syrian army officer , this is not a rather poor hereditary aristocracy of Syrian society, which does not need free housing at an army base.
                2. Setrac
                  Setrac 5 October 2013 00: 15 New
                  0
                  Quote: faraon
                  And in the same way it can be argued that with the money of citizens of the Russian Federation,

                  This is not so, you help the killers, we are for those who fight with them, there is no equality here.
                  Quote: faraon
                  . So let's leave the question of conscience to politicians and diplomats.

                  No, the killer is the killer, the customer is no less guilty, we will not leave anything to politicians.
                3. faraon
                  faraon 5 October 2013 17: 07 New
                  +1
                  Today I read a newspaper report that the militants began threatening Turkey with jihad. Why not Israel? Does this tell you anything?
                  Then I will tell you. Israel, unlike Turkey, is a pretty strong opponent. And they understand that attacking Israel is more expensive. So what kind of help are the killers, even if Hezbollah is fighting on the side of the ruling regime for Israel, the terrorist group to be destroyed, then talk about those girlfriend side.
                  YOU would not have to pour out unfounded accusations, take an interest in how it all began in this conflict, and what preceded it, well, then blame everyone on the left and on the right.
  2. Dober
    Dober 3 October 2013 23: 48 New
    0
    Sorry, Alexan, but you otter ...
    In fact, and the sayings of a swamp otter.
    Judge for yourself ... Which of the locals at least once said that he was ready to take the Arab family to his yard? I did not hear, and you (you)? How many calls were there to arm Assad ... And those who were ready to do it financially ...
    DOCHER !!!
    I am including.
    why does Sweden give them refugee status, but Russia does not?

    I get in touch with Swedes almost every day at work, and less often with Russians. And the former are the last to envy. that they send the BDK as "cruises", and the "scandals" are silent in a rag on any situevina in the world.

    Sorry, zdh (what does he write?) Hunting to sleep ...
  3. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 4 October 2013 09: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    shelter while there are fighting

    If all Syrians are sheltered, who will protect their Syrian homeland?
  4. chehywed
    chehywed 5 October 2013 01: 35 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Or do you think 9-millions of Syrian refugees in tents are better than in a village under some sort of Tambov?

    Will not work. Under some sort of Tambov already there is a village with 12 million population. Moscow is called ... laughing
  • antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 4 October 2013 09: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: honest Jew
    And why not Russia to place refugees from Syria at home?

    Quote: atalef
    Sweden accepts refugees, and why Russia is not?

    And why not the “refugees” to fight for their homeland, and not to scrape it with all their feet?
  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 3 October 2013 08: 13 New
    +3
    What a horror. Well, then these terrorists, of course, bearded and with the Kalashnikovs, showing new Swedish passports at the border, will pour into Russia in thousands - to build a Sharia state there and cut off their heads.

    And the fact that in Moscow right now there is about 2 million of these bearded ones (and I think this is the minimum, the number of 50 divisions is called on the Internet), which are just waiting for the team, that’s so, little things ...
    1. kirieeleyson
      kirieeleyson 3 October 2013 08: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: PSih2097
      50 divisions

      Chet is complete nonsense, they understand the teams every time (I had “children of the mountains” in my company - I first taught them Russian 2 months through the parade ground)
      Only inveterate fighters will fight, the rest is meat.
  • domokl
    domokl 3 October 2013 08: 25 New
    +4
    It seems to me that Oleg, trying to defeat Starikov’s radicalism, fell into this very radicalism himself a little. Naturally, some of the militants will be in Europe. Moreover, in two epics, so to speak. Their (already citizens of European countries) and Syrian. there will really be refugees.
    It’s another thing that Europeans are adding a headache to themselves. But this is what makes us so? Our intelligence services, too, I hope, do not lose control over the situation in the camp of the militants. Which means that penetrating them is problematic. Only in the first option.
    1. Mart
      3 October 2013 08: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      It seems to me that Oleg here, trying to defeat the radicalism of Starikov, himself fell a little into this very radicalism.


      Hello Alexander!

      I just tried to be objective. Fed up with these conspiracy theories. It is impossible to enlist all refugees as terrorists! Especially in Sweden, refugees are checked. As in Germany.

      Hurrying with conclusions, we can go so far as to include all Syrians (read all Arabs) as terrorists. By default, so to speak. I will never agree with that.
      1. domokl
        domokl 3 October 2013 08: 38 New
        +3
        Hi Oleg!
        I realized that the article is a little provocative laughing I myself sometimes sin with this. But I decided to write my opinion precisely because a fairly large part of our colleagues, given the authority of the author, will take the article literally.
        In practice, when discussing any article, a huge mass of radicalism pops up. I don’t understand why, but just those who should seem to be tolerant have become the most radical.
        Witch hunt will not lead to dobru.Tak that the topic is relevant. Plus put the honored good
        1. Mart
          3 October 2013 08: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: domokl
          Witch hunt will not lead to dobru.Tak that the topic is relevant. Plus put the honored


          Thank you, comrade. I appreciate. drinks
      2. Genry
        Genry 3 October 2013 10: 16 New
        +5
        You still tell about the poor and unfortunate Crimean Tatars! They, already in the open, proclaim the creation of the Crimean caliphate.
        And Kravchuk (the president of Ukraine, who returned them) sang the same songs as you do now.
      3. dmb
        dmb 3 October 2013 10: 30 New
        +1
        Surprisingly, I thought they would spit you out. Old people, this is a shrine. Firstly, he is in favor of GDP, secondly, he calls Obama an adder, thirdly he is friends with Prokhanov and believes that Putin will nevertheless put Serdyukov in prison. But no, people began to grow catastrophically.
      4. IRBIS
        IRBIS 3 October 2013 12: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: Mart
        Hurrying with conclusions, we can go so far as to include all Syrians (read all Arabs) as terrorists. By default, so to speak. I will never agree with that.

        Good morning, Oleg! I note that in this case the word "Syrian" played a "cruel" joke in your sympathies. Somewhere in the subcortex, we position them all as our friends, and their country is fighting with all its might. However, this is a mistake. As well as the fact that we continue to consider as “brothers” some peoples with whom they have been associated for centuries of history. This is a characteristic feature of the Russian people, who always tried to unite, protect everyone, etc.
        Our whole history shows us how we are mistaken in "brotherhood" and "friendship." And in this case, the bulk of the refugees are not Syrian patriots, but the families of the militants. And they will return to these families.
      5. Dober
        Dober 3 October 2013 13: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Mart
        Especially in Sweden refugees are checked. Like in Germany.

        I know firsthand how refugees are “checked”. Those who once received a residence permit in 3-5 years will receive 90% citizenship. And then they will begin to “pump up rights”, and while they receive subsidies, half paid places in preschool institutions, a “school desk” in the best municipal schools (non-rubber) of their choice.
        How should “full-fledged” citizens relate to this?
        About the "integration into society" of Muslims, I think there is no point in saying ... Everything is like in Russia. Only in Russia sometimes "immunity" still manifests itself, manifesting itself in "condogs, pugachevo and cowboys", and the locals have long lost one. More precisely, they destroyed him. And it is for the sake of multiculturalism.
        And local Jews will overshadow Shamir with the entire Kagal choir. This is familiar and fits into the axiom "the anti-Semite is the one whom Jews do not like."
        "Conspiracy", in the sense that you presented it, will happen! Not today, maybe not tomorrow, and certainly the day after tomorrow!
        However, social workers believe that not enough has been done for the refugees - given that European countries contributed to the continuation of the conflict in Syria, supporting the rebels, training and advising them.

        Once again I will say that I’m personally ready to buy a machine gun, zinc cartridges and send them to Assad’s soldiers - let them “do the tidying in their home”, but I don’t want to feed, train the offspring of numerous “refugees” (often sometimes my former “compatriots”) .
        After all, I’m not a “refugee” and have never been one, therefore I haven’t received “a dime” from Germany for my “integration”, but I have to regularly make a fuss about it.
        Allegedly - "my family contributes to the continuation of the conflict in Syria."

        Merkel-sssuka ... Also, apparently, a "scout" like Putin. He says one thing, but in reality we see another ...
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS 3 October 2013 14: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: Dober
          I’m personally ready to buy a machine gun, zinc cartridges and send them to Assad soldiers - let them “do the tidying in their house”

          Be sure to buy, but take your time to send. It can be very useful in the "household". Times are not calm ... Troubled times ...
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 October 2013 08: 38 New
    0
    Neutrals, they are neutrals. No one will "procrastinate" Sweden.
  • Storm
    Storm 3 October 2013 08: 48 New
    0
    Well, time will tell who was right.
  • kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson 3 October 2013 08: 55 New
    +2
    What are they all doing there? I noticed a lot of idly staggering young people .. And in Sweden they were just in bulk.
    Unemployment..
    1. Ulysses
      Ulysses 3 October 2013 09: 38 New
      +2
      For 700 euros + payment of housing, you can also "lose money."
      Many eastern migrants initially have a strong spirit of parasitism.
      1. alone
        alone 3 October 2013 22: 52 New
        0
        laughing there are simply high taxes. Here and I want everyone to live like parasites. By the way, not only Sweden. spoke once with one Greek. so he told me that his grandfather before in Greece paid a bonus of 80 euros to retirement only for the fact that he smokes)) lyapota))
      2. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson 4 October 2013 09: 47 New
        0
        Eh .. there was something like an article in the USSR for such ..)) No. 108.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 3 October 2013 08: 57 New
    +3
    What is the first time ... ??? ... at the events in Kosovo ... The West gave asylum something to about 5000 families, but by a strange coincidence, the number of active militants was about 5000. It’s rightly noted ... you need to get to Sweden ... either wealthy people (these dumps immediately at the first shots) or fighters can get there, a simple refugee simply does not have the means to do this. They will not go to Russia at the moment, they will work out their new place of residence in the Middle East on a rotational basis ... you can lose him.
  • erased
    erased 3 October 2013 09: 08 New
    +7
    Europe already bites its elbows from the fact that it has let all these millions from the Middle East, Africa, and Asia come to itself. What is happening in France, in England, in other countries, everyone sees on TV. Now the fate of central Europe will divide Scandinavia.
    In the current conditions, the flood of the country by strangers, among which there are enough scumbags and militants, is a dangerous act. This is primarily true of Russia. We already have an overflow of "extra" Asian and Transcaucasian lads and their families. Apartments for rent in Moscow! Kyrgyz! On the markets alone ... guests!
    I more or less do not care about Sweden and its neighbors. But do not care about Russia. And soon refugees will also flood here. Who will not stand up to the machines, will not go to sow in the field, will not become builders, workers, even janitors and plumbers - because they do not know how. They will climb into the trade, will be begging, ganging up gangs, pulling money from the Russian people.
    Migration is a disaster and one must insure against it. But who will do it? So far, the country's authorities have shown tremendous tolerance, turning a blind eye to the crimes of migrants. What's next?..
  • Rusi dolaze
    Rusi dolaze 3 October 2013 11: 01 New
    -2
    Custom little article, smacks bad. The author is a Jew chtol, or privyvaseny sky? We are on the alert! Do not relax!
    1. Mart
      3 October 2013 11: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: Rusi dolaze
      Custom little article, smacks bad. The author is a Jew chtol, or privyvaseny sky? We are on the alert! Do not relax!


      Naum Spiegelman - at your service. And a Jew, and a henchman in one person. hi Literacy, by the way, pull up. And pants. laughing
  • fennekRUS
    fennekRUS 3 October 2013 11: 35 New
    +1
    I don’t understand, why suck a newspaper duck in such detail? crisis of the genre? I read the article, only perplexity remained.
  • honest jew
    honest jew 3 October 2013 12: 49 New
    -1
    Quote: atalef
    Sweden accepts refugees, and why Russia is not?

    That's what I mean ... Refugees from Syria would be taken to Russia on board the IL-76 Ministry of Emergencies ... Russians would have taken refugees at home, then they would have seen ...
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 3 October 2013 17: 33 New
      0
      Quote: honest Jew
      The Russians would shelter the refugees, then they would see clearly ...

      We are already sighted, we see that there are no Syrians among the terrorists in Syria, the west has bred terrorists, even if they have shelters and illnesses, they just have not managed to assassinate the Syrian people.
  • RussianRu
    RussianRu 3 October 2013 13: 50 New
    +2
    Time will judge who is right Old Man or Dude.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 3 October 2013 18: 23 New
    0
    Something looks like a hat!
    Just go try to the consulate of Sweden to receive documents on migration ........... you will want to guarantee
  • zinander
    zinander 3 October 2013 20: 29 New
    +2
    Israel treats Russian children as well ... for money that is often collected throughout Russia ... (Jews do nothing for free)
  • alekseyal
    alekseyal 3 October 2013 20: 36 New
    0
    They will make a recreation center from Sweden for terrorists from around the world.
  • crambol
    crambol 3 October 2013 22: 59 New
    +1
    The author is a big plus. For what? For a sober, cold, documented analysis of the situation and forecast based on it. And analysis and synthesis are two pillars on which any science stands!
  • faraon
    faraon 4 October 2013 00: 46 New
    +2
    The article is a clear duck of the yellow press. Dear forum users, do you really think that the Swedes are so stupid that they will let in so many migrants and especially refugees from Syria.
    To begin with, you need to get to Sweden., And this is a huge expense for refugees, even if you get it is not a fact that they will be accepted with open arms for a start, they will be placed in camps of displaced persons and it is not a fact that they will even receive a residence permit . The migration service simply deportes them. Well and the last Swedes want to accept not parasites, but secured having accounts with a certain amount in European banks.
    And as an addition, they take into account the experience of migration policy and what this has led to in European countries.
  • vthrehbq
    vthrehbq 4 October 2013 15: 20 New
    0
    Unfortunately, when you come to France, Belgium, and even to Sweden you see black faces, with hundreds, thousands of Arab faces. they have invaded Europe and every day thousands of new people come to stay in Europe. and only a few of them want to start a new life, most want to receive benefits
  • faraon
    faraon 5 October 2013 17: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Setrac

    It’s not so, you help the killers, we those who fight with them, there is no equality here

    But as for 400 citizens of the Russian Federation fighting on the side of terrorists, I’m not talking about the fraternal republics of the USSR. So who in this conflict helps more in killing civilians and children.