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The Ministry of Defense ordered an experimental batch of "Scorpions"

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The leadership of the Ministry of Defense during the Russia Arms Expo-2013 exhibition in Nizhny Tagil expressed interest in special-purpose transport vehicles Scorpion-2M, said Dmitry Mitryayev, Chief Designer of Zashchita Corporation, CJSC.

“It is interesting for the Ministry of Defense. As regards supplies, the promise and desire was shown. Deputy Minister (Defense Yuri) Borisov became interested in the machines (“Scorpion-2M”) and at the moment he confirmed his intentions, ”said Mitryayev to RIA“News».

According to the designer, the military department ordered an experimental industrial batch from the enterprise to carry out preliminary exploitation. “Roughly, this is the next year,” said Mitryayev.

He noted that the success of the Scorpion is due to the fact that it is equipped with a shooting module produced by the Degtyarev plant. “A machine without weapons is less interesting, and this exhibition once again confirmed - with weapons, there are much more consumers and interested responses. And our shooting is also going well for now, ”said Mitryayev.

Special vehicles "Scorpio" are designed to transport personnel of military units and divisions, including off-road, as well as the transportation of goods, towing trailers, conducting reconnaissance, evacuation and transportation of the wounded. Car carrying capacity - up to one ton. Modular bodies are designed to carry up to eight people.

Russian Arms Expo is an international exhibition of armaments, military equipment and ammunition, held from 1999 on a biennial basis in Nizhny Tagil, Sverdlovsk Region, at the Prospector training ground. It alternates with the international exhibition of the Russian Defense Expo, which is held at the Staratel training ground, also once every two years.
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  1. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 28 September 2013 07: 25 New
    -10
    Something to me these "Scorpions" of the good old "Tiger" remind. Again trying to pass off the old for the new?
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 28 September 2013 07: 30 New
      +6
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Something to me these "Scorpions" of the good old "Tiger" remind. Are they again trying to pass off the old as new?

      Maybe it’s just a place to be, a lightweight-budget version of the Tiger?
      And the main thing is that they still order, pay budget money to our design bureaus, and do not buy, pah-pah-pah three times ... all sorts of "Lynxes".
      1. zanoza
        zanoza 28 September 2013 10: 40 New
        +4
        Here you can see the car (one of the earliest options):http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/17781
        1. zanoza
          zanoza 28 September 2013 11: 16 New
          +3
          The firing module is probably like that.
          1. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru 28 September 2013 13: 28 New
            +7
            hi
            The story of the appearance of the “Scorpions” (an armored UAZ modification) is fully disclosed in the 44 series “Armor for the Scorpion” of the series “Shock Force” -


            Enjoy!
            1. Turtles
              Turtles 28 September 2013 16: 53 New
              +1
              This film is not about this car. Just the names are the same.
              1. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 28 September 2013 23: 35 New
                +2
                hi
                This is a further development of the model shown in the film.
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 28 September 2013 07: 35 New
      17
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Something to me these "Scorpions" of the good old "Tiger" remind. Again trying to pass off the old for the new?

      And what do they remind of?
      So what is the same 4 wheel?
      Or is the steering wheel the same?
      Or are you a major expert in the field of machines of this type?
      Or write on the principle of writing anything you like, and let the rest spit out?
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 28 September 2013 08: 03 New
        -1
        http://www.zashchita.ru/production/notarmored/Skorpion-2M/
      2. bereg
        bereg 28 September 2013 10: 22 New
        +6
        haha. a tiger based on an armored personnel carrier plant Gas, a scorpion is an UAZ and the sizes are somehow not the same. kibalchish '' specialist ''
        1. bereg
          bereg 28 September 2013 12: 08 New
          +3
          for which minus I kind of wrote correctly, kibalchish is you
      3. 11 black
        11 black 28 September 2013 18: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: ATATA
        Something to me these "Scorpions" of the good old "Tiger" remind. Again trying to pass off the old for the new?

        And what do they remind of?
        So what is the same 4 wheel?
        Or is the steering wheel the same?
        Or are you a major expert in the field of machines of this type?

        Atata to you +
        Scorpio is more of an armored version of an UAZ, designed to work in the rear of the front (to transfer fighters to a threatened direction without joining the battle, to take out the wounded, to deliver ammunition, etc., etc.), the scorpion’s armor is designed to withstand only small arms (automatic weapons, pistols, as a maximum manual machine gun, I don’t know if it holds the SVD, but the M200 shot will flash it)
        The tiger is more a light armored personnel carrier than a car, it even has an armored personnel carrier, and its purpose is to transport fighters directly to the battlefield, under a flurry of fire, everything that shoots - hence the 5-6 is a class of armor protection, and both suggest armor holds the whole range of firearms (including heavy machine guns and light sniper rifles (here again I know what the SVD holds, but I don’t know about the M200 laughing but in theory should hold)) + mine protection should save the soldiers in the explosion of an anti-tank mine ...
        from here we conclude that Scorpio and the Tiger are two completely different machines designed for different tasks IMHO
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 28 September 2013 09: 53 New
      +4
      Scorpio and Tiger are completely different, the Tiger is more likely an armored personnel carrier, and Scorpio is an armored car.
      1. kris
        kris 28 September 2013 10: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: RUSS
        and Scorpio is an armored car

        scorpion - not armored. Quote from the manufacturer's website.
        Scorpio-2M
        A special, all-wheel drive off-road vehicle with independent suspension is designed for operation on roads of all categories, in any climatic conditions.
        It is made in various modifications: with a hard top, an awning on a frame or an open body. The car is capable of carrying various types of special equipment and transporting the crew on paved roads and off-road. The car can be used at an average ambient temperature from -50 ° С to + 50 ° С (according to UHL-1).
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 28 September 2013 11: 06 New
          +2
          There are booking options for Scorpio, and this is also according to the manufacturer. The same Tiger only recently received the 6th class of protection.
        2. Owl
          Owl 28 September 2013 14: 22 New
          +2
          in addition, a foreign engine was also installed on Scorpio
    4. skeptic
      skeptic 28 September 2013 14: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Again trying to pass off the old for the new?


      Type Moskvich for Lada or for the Volga?
    5. Pimply
      Pimply 28 September 2013 15: 38 New
      +2
      And the Tiger resembles a Hammer. Old for new?
      1. kontrol
        kontrol 29 September 2013 01: 21 New
        +2
        the laws of aerodynamics are the same for everyone lol
  2. sashka
    sashka 28 September 2013 07: 26 New
    +5
    I read "scorpion" in the title and it became already bad. I thought that Kezhugetovich pulled to the Aglitsky shore. But no ours. Well, that's good, that's fine.
    1. Apollo
      28 September 2013 07: 37 New
      +7
      Good morning everybody hi

      quote-Special vehicles "Scorpion" are intended for the transportation of personnel of military units and units, including off-road, as well as the transport of goods, towing trailers, reconnaissance, evacuation and transportation of the wounded.

      1. Sreben
        Sreben 28 September 2013 10: 57 New
        +5
        I watched the video, I liked the car! And the engines in the first video said that they will collect from us! A good replacement for UAZ!
      2. bask
        bask 29 September 2013 00: 33 New
        +2
        Scorpion LSHA-2M

        1. Androsh
          Androsh 29 September 2013 17: 31 New
          +1
          And what these 6 passengers should hold on to is interesting .. probably for each other, but then they would have to fly around the cabin while driving on the road .. they did not take care of them at all .. And I also want to ask where the tests with a loaded car are, because surely they didn’t do it .. I’ve got a wet car ..
    2. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 28 September 2013 07: 41 New
      +5
      Quote: Sasha
      But no, ours

      Ours, but with a Polish diesel. When the engine is ours, then it will become really good.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 28 September 2013 09: 54 New
        +3
        There is a beginning, and we will supply our engines.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 28 September 2013 13: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: Anatole Klim
        Ours, but with a Polish diesel. When the engine is ours, then it will become really good.

        There is no difference in whose development the engine will be (Polish or Brazilian for example), the main thing is that it meets the requirements for various aspects of operation, AND ALSO LAUNCHED IN RUSSIA (with a complete transfer of technological documentation).
        In the field of technology, it will not hurt us to adopt the best from leading companies, while developing our own developments.
  3. major071
    major071 28 September 2013 07: 35 New
    +7
    Good morning hi . Who will tell you what kind of firing module stands on the machine, if you don’t want to buy without it? soldier
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 28 September 2013 07: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: major071
      Who will tell you what kind of firing module stands on the machine, if you don’t want to buy without it?

      hi It seems to me that on such a chassis something more than cereals. caliber machine gun, it’s unlikely to install. Maybe the remote-controlled module from the "Breakthrough" (meaning not a gun, but a machine gun ..) will be "screwed" to it?
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 September 2013 07: 39 New
    +1
    The same thing was thought at first imported .. But no, our domestic development. Looks solidly outwardly!
  5. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 28 September 2013 07: 51 New
    +4
    For the army, this machine is hardly needed, for the explosives it seems to me that it has already been developed enough, why produce another one? the budget is not rubber.
    1. bddrus
      bddrus 28 September 2013 08: 03 New
      +1
      maybe it’s cheaper - to replace UAZs, TIGER - a little expensive for this
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 28 September 2013 09: 16 New
        +1
        It is unlikely to be cheaper than an UAZ, but if it is only sold to Poland or civilian, then it may be worth producing. But I'm not sure that there are civilian buyers for this technique.
        1. Genry
          Genry 28 September 2013 10: 02 New
          +2
          For agriculture - what you need!
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 28 September 2013 11: 11 New
            +1
            And in Ukraine, do you also supply your “patrols” for the needs of agriculture?
        2. bddrus
          bddrus 28 September 2013 14: 10 New
          +2
          what does the "cheaper" UAZ? - he is cheaper than the Tiger! although if it is unprotected and other characteristics are not higher than UAZ, then there is no sense in changing
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 28 September 2013 09: 57 New
      +3
      Tiger, Wolf, Bear, Scorpio, Iveco-Lynx and more recently the French bat, the choice is, we hope the victory is ours!
      1. bddrus
        bddrus 1 October 2013 12: 48 New
        +1
        I agree to any (including Lynx) - the main thing is that mass deliveries begin in combat units. And then we have been watching exhibitions for 10 years
  6. mirag2
    mirag2 28 September 2013 08: 00 New
    +3
    At first glance, the car is not bad.
  7. bddrus
    bddrus 28 September 2013 08: 04 New
    +1
    I am interested in where the Typhoon-U experimental batch of 30 pieces?
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 28 September 2013 11: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Chicot 1
      Quote: mihasik
      On the side, the good old Land Rover recalls ...

      Himself. Defender model 110 ...

      Ordinary classic silhouette of SUVs.
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 28 September 2013 14: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: RUSS
        Ordinary classic silhouette of SUVs.

        Perhaps ... But you, Maxim, somehow considered it necessary to distinguish Scorpio from Tiger in all this classic custom (also, in fact, it’s an SUV). And your words serve as confirmation of this -
        Quote: RUSS
        Scorpio and Tiger are completely different

        ... about which they once again reminded our colleague on the site with a nickname Kibalchish. wink wink wink
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 28 September 2013 12: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: bddrus
      I am interested in where the Typhoon-U experimental batch of 30 pieces?
      Do, somewhere I saw a photo of them in a row 4 pieces are.
  8. vadson
    vadson 28 September 2013 08: 28 New
    +2
    eh, hunting and fishing laughing
  9. marat1000
    marat1000 28 September 2013 08: 49 New
    +2
    In general, I believe that the destiny of Russia is only to develop weapons and give it to other countries. Let them work for others, if they develop it themselves, but they can’t buy it. Even PAK-FA, 20 years developed to buy 60 pieces, chickens to laugh ... laughing
    1. scientist
      scientist 28 September 2013 10: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: marat1000
      Russia's destiny is only to develop weapons and give it to other countries.

      I completely agree. Moreover, it is necessary to coordinate in this sense with China, Belarus, and Kazakhstan. If Russia will be engaged in development, give serial production to the arc.
      Firstly, all equipment will become cheaper at times.
      Secondly, this is additional money for research and additional markets. I think for R&D as a whole, financing will increase tenfold.
      Thirdly, for those who are afraid of the Chinese or some other kind of threat, this is the guaranteed lag of the rest of the countries in technology by exactly one tingling, they simply won’t understand it.
      In general, there are a lot of pluses. There are, of course, also disadvantages - related to the security problem, but this can be solved if there are trained military representatives at the enterprises.
  10. mihasik
    mihasik 28 September 2013 09: 44 New
    +1
    On the side, the good old Land Rover recalls ...
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 28 September 2013 10: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: mihasik
      On the side, the good old Land Rover recalls ...

      Himself. Defender model 110 ...
      1. bddrus
        bddrus 28 September 2013 14: 08 New
        0
        doesn't look much bigger than other military SUVs
        1. Chicot 1
          Chicot 1 28 September 2013 15: 07 New
          0
          To a similar statement, I already answered Maxim (RUSS) in your comment for 14:50 ... You can read it above ...
          1. bddrus
            bddrus 29 September 2013 08: 57 New
            -1
            I didn’t see an answer
      2. POBEDA
        POBEDA 30 September 2013 00: 33 New
        +2
        Right! Looks on the side! But nothing more
  11. donavi49
    donavi49 28 September 2013 10: 55 New
    +7
    Scorpio has such advantages:
    - The price is less than the Tiger;
    - Resource more than the Tiger;
    - Cheaper in operation and maintenance;
    - It fits well with the army’s mission for a light off-road vehicle.

    Cons:
    - The engine, not that it is Polish, but that the strength is small and it is impossible to force or put another, there is no place and weight, too.
    - The armored assault version with mine protection has the ultimate mass for the chassis and engine.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 28 September 2013 11: 10 New
      0
      Quote: donavi49
      Cons:

      An attempt to create a new UAZ.
      It was logical to bring to mind the Wolf and the Tiger
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 28 September 2013 11: 33 New
        +5
        Well, the Wolf and the Tiger make the military-industrial complex, and this is another company. Competition is always good, especially Scorpions Protection makes money.

        Competition is always good!
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 28 September 2013 12: 56 New
        +5
        Quote: APASUS
        It was logical to bring to mind the Wolf and the Tiger

        "Wolf" next year completes the test and an experimental batch will be purchased, "Tiger" finish.
        And “Scorpio” in general, a completely different class.
  12. Atenon
    Atenon 28 September 2013 11: 15 New
    +1
    why so many different techniques? Well then they will be tortured to repair it.
  13. marder4
    marder4 28 September 2013 11: 19 New
    +2
    it would be nice if something good happened this time, and not just another "soap bubble"
  14. donavi49
    donavi49 28 September 2013 11: 36 New
    +7
    About Scorpio detailed photo reviews from Mokrushin:
    http://twower.livejournal.com/807403.html
    http://twower.livejournal.com/838086.html - ЛША
    http://twower.livejournal.com/816835.html - ЛША на подрыв и обстрел
    http://twower.livejournal.com/835791.html - последствия крупным планом
  15. Gur
    Gur 28 September 2013 11: 38 New
    +5
    No import engine, develop your UAZ because ZMZ got a howling diesel
    1. 31231
      31231 29 September 2013 16: 26 New
      +1
      Initially, this diesel engine was raw tight (they only had time to change the fuel pipes, plus there were a lot of things, now I will not mention it). Now I kind of ask, they don’t really complain.
  16. eugen-medved
    eugen-medved 28 September 2013 11: 56 New
    0
    I watched the LA Scorpio video, laughter and sin, winter and the scorpion ... it’s clear - it won’t survive! Well, at least they would change the clique am
  17. Chever
    Chever 28 September 2013 13: 15 New
    +1
    Perhaps they will be cheaper than the Tiger. Yes, and the "Tiger", in my opinion, will be larger. Well, let's see how they show themselves ...
  18. RUSS
    RUSS 28 September 2013 14: 36 New
    0
    Quote: AtenON
    why so many different techniques? Well then they will be tortured to repair it.

    In simple terms, the larger the choice of a different class of equipment, the more likely the choice of an acceptable option for the army and explosives.
  19. RUSS
    RUSS 28 September 2013 14: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: AtenON
    why so many different techniques? Well then they will be tortured to repair it.

    Drive to my friend Arman in the service, he will fix what you want and will not be tormented laughing
  20. Pimply
    Pimply 28 September 2013 15: 38 New
    +1
    I’m wondering what happened to their armored vehicle.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 28 September 2013 16: 05 New
      +5
      LSHA? They blew it up, fired upon it (the Tiger-M6 still exclusively withstood the shelling and detonation), passed the chassis, then finalized it, now it’s kind of exposing it.

      But LSA has a trouble with weight, the engine barely pulls. Nobody ordered large parties, the Ministry of Internal Affairs was talking about 15-20 LSHA B cars for testing.
  21. RUSS
    RUSS 28 September 2013 18: 12 New
    0
    Quote: Chicot 1
    Quote: RUSS
    Ordinary classic silhouette of SUVs.

    Perhaps ... But you, Maxim, somehow considered it necessary to distinguish Scorpio from Tiger in all this classic custom (also, in fact, it’s an SUV). And your words serve as confirmation of this -
    Quote: RUSS
    Scorpio and Tiger are completely different

    ... about which they once again reminded our colleague on the site with a nickname Kibalchish. wink wink wink

    That is, do you think that simply put Scorpio "copied" from the "defendor"? As often happens with us, maybe so, but I will say one thing, do you know which car is 100% ours from design to nut? Our Zaporozhets, all other tracing paper from foreign models with fine "tuning".
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 28 September 2013 21: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      That is, do you think that simply put Scorpio "copied" from the "defendor"?

      I do not think so. Moreover, I didn’t even say anything like that anywhere ... And why did you decide that for yourself? ..
      Quote: RUSS
      As often happens with us, maybe so, but I will say one thing, do you know which car is 100% ours from design to nut?

      We have a lot of things happening, but I still do not understand the meaning of this your question ... Or does it have some secret meaning? ..
      Quote: RUSS
      Our Zaporozhets, all other tracing paper from foreign models with fine "tuning"

      I will disappoint you, but the first of the “Zaporozhets” (the same famous “hunchback”) was also copied from a foreign car. His prototype was the "Fiat" subcompact ...
      So, Italian roots are found not only in Tolyatinsky Lada and Serdyukovsky Lynx, but also in Zazik ... wink
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 29 September 2013 09: 31 New
        0
        "ZAZ 968" 100% of our car.
    2. Proud.
      Proud. 30 September 2013 05: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: RUSS
      Do you know which car is 100% ours from design to nut?

      Yes, what about the Niva ?, which in 1977 opened the world (!) To a new class of cars - a comfortable SUV with permanent all-wheel drive. By the way, the Niva was the only Soviet car delivered to Japan. And in 1986, the Japanese presented the project manager of the 2121 project Petr Prusov with a brochure for their future Suzuki Vitara with the inscription "The godfather of this car."
  22. uzer 13
    uzer 13 28 September 2013 18: 38 New
    +1
    At first glance, I liked the car, but after familiarizing myself with its design features on the link of the respected zanoza, I didn’t want to praise this car. Andoria Euro 4 turbo there is simply neither to the village nor to the city. Such motors are set only on parquet SUVs, and their owners have a toxicity rate of Euro 4 pay from your pocket. Apparently, someone got a good bribe to drag him as a power unit. The fact that the YaMZ-236 was too heavy is complete nonsense, you just had to unscrew it from the box. We also have a ZMZ-53, which has a large resource, good maintainability and a good torque characteristic, which is the best suited for such a machine. The rear door also does not fit anywhere, it should be wide, all the stern, and have a removable structure. in the car or in the BMP, it has recently been greatly reduced, and the infantry for some reason continues to ride on the armor, not trusting much of the manufacturers' assurances about the reliability of the doors and locks. The back step should be wide, flat and strong. to spray, then you need to go to the building materials store and buy a good strong board there, then we’ll make this step out of it. The soldier’s broken legs can still be useful. The roof luggage carrier is apparently borrowed from fishermen’s cars and is suitable only for transporting rubber boats, it is painfully simple and frail design, he is. It seems that the designers are generally not familiar with the basics of the automotive industry.
  23. waisson
    waisson 28 September 2013 19: 11 New
    +3
    Scorpio - LTA (light tactical vehicle)
    Due to its characteristics, this armored car made a splash. According to representatives of the Zashchita Corporation, Scorpio - LTA can produce a speed of 130 km / h on virtually any terrain. The car also has unique cross-country characteristics.
    Scorpio - LSA (light assault vehicle)
    The main objective of this armored vehicle is the transportation of personnel of up to 8 people, cargo delivery, special ground operations, cargo management, evacuation and transportation of the wounded. In addition, like Scorpio - LTA, it can carry various types of weapons, can be used on various types of roads and in any climatic conditions. The most pronounced off-road qualities.
  24. Turtles
    Turtles 28 September 2013 19: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: uzer 13
    At first glance, I liked the car, but after familiarizing myself with its design features on the link of the respected zanoza, I didn’t want to praise this car. Andoria Euro 4 turbo there is simply neither to the village nor to the city. Such motors are set only on parquet SUVs, and their owners have a toxicity rate of Euro 4 pay from your pocket. Apparently, someone got a good bribe to drag him as a power unit. The fact that the YaMZ-236 was too heavy is complete nonsense, you just had to unscrew it from the box. We also have a ZMZ-53, which has a large resource, good maintainability and a good torque characteristic, which is the best suited for such a machine. The rear door also does not fit anywhere, it should be wide, all the stern, and have a removable structure. in the car or in the BMP, it has recently been greatly reduced, and the infantry for some reason continues to ride on the armor, not trusting much of the manufacturers' assurances about the reliability of the doors and locks. The back step should be wide, flat and strong. to spray, then you need to go to the building materials store and buy a good strong board there, then we’ll make this step out of it. The soldier’s broken legs can still be useful. The roof luggage carrier is apparently borrowed from fishermen’s cars and is suitable only for transporting rubber boats, it is painfully simple and frail design, he is. It seems that the designers are generally not familiar with the basics of the automotive industry.

    They mocked Andoria’s weight of 260 kg, the weight of YaMZ-236 800 kg, with the declared load capacity of Scorpio 1 ton.
    Only our infantry travels on the armor, but this quickly passes when explosive devices begin to be placed on trees, at the height of the armored personnel carrier roof.
    1. uzer 13
      uzer 13 28 September 2013 23: 17 New
      -1
      The engine is usually mounted on the car, and not on the back of its owner, and this problem can be easily fixed. The light did not converge in YaMZ, there are other suitable engines, only unlike Andoria, you can ride it even with a faulty fuel pump. when this Andoria will jam at the most inopportune moment, because turbocharged engines are operating at the limit of their ability to remove heat from the working area. There is still an atmospheric 6-cylinder V-shaped diesel that was installed on the Ford town, is this option worse? Or inline 6 IFA cylinder diesel?
  25. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 28 September 2013 19: 55 New
    +2
    “Scorpio” - a degraded variation of “Barca”, created as a tribute to the fashion for an independent suspension - nothing more negative
  26. bask
    bask 28 September 2013 22: 53 New
    +2
    The company STREIT Group, one of the largest private companies in the world producing armored wheeled vehicles. The range of products, from armored personnel carriers to light armored vehicles.
    Streit Group has its plants in the UAE, USA, Iraq, Russia, India, Jordan, Pakistan and Turkey produces 500 cars ... per month. Headquarters in Canada, representative office of St. Petersburg.
    Founded by the Streit Group in 1996, CEO: German Gutorov (they write Russian, but I think Ossetin is more likely).
    This is what the Russians can do alone when they are given the opportunity to work. World-class armored vehicles !!!
    BTR VERAN 6/6.

    Armored Cougar
    Cobra, on the Toyota Land Cruiser chassis.
    Spartan - Multifunctional light armored vehicle.

    AND NOT ANY FRENCH-a small private company !!!
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 28 September 2013 23: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: bask
      Cobra, on the Toyota Land Cruiser chassis.
      Hi, wind, wind, no clouds, bring the Land Cruiser Prado laughing good indestructible chassis.
      1. bask
        bask 28 September 2013 23: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: Alex 241
        Hi, wind, wind, no clouds, bring a land cruiser

        Hi Sash.
        I mean that if we want to do everything.
        But all the projects of armored vehicles we have with such a tail rollbacks (and aviation probably even more). Therefore, the price goes off scale.
        A man took the price and created his own company in 96 from scratch. And he makes world-class armored vehicles.
        My brother and I have such a car for 2 years. Not exactly killable. good
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 28 September 2013 23: 43 New
          +1
          Andryush, they also book with us, but for Busines, and to get into the bed of our Moscow Region, it’s necessary to come with money to Kamaz. At 90, you remember some kind of armored car for collectors in GAZ.
          1. bask
            bask 28 September 2013 23: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: Alex 241
            that would climb into the bed of our MO, it is necessary in Kamaz with money

            I have a bro, I tried to get in. The director gives him two lemons, (bro rubles?), The young man $$$$$$$ says no. The bro sent him to ... and didn’t approach the defense anymore.
            The prices there say in the 3rd they wind up a minimum !!!
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 28 September 2013 23: 58 New
              +1
              Andryuk for some reason I’m not surprised!
    2. bask
      bask 29 September 2013 00: 08 New
      +3
      BTR Veran 6/6, withstands a blast of 10 kg in t / e. Provides all-round protection against 14,5 mm armor-piercing bullets and fragments of 155mm artillery shell. Veran has a V-shaped body.
      The crew of 2 people can transport 10 fully equipped soldiers. Entrance and exit of the APC through the rear door or sunroofs.
      Cummins turbocharged diesel engine with a capacity of 400 l / s.
      BTR Veran is equipped with a remotely controlled combat module, armed with a 12,7 mm machine gun, can be armed with a 7,62 mm machine gun or a 40 mm automatic grenade launcher.

      First introduced at IDEF 2013.
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  27. Turtles
    Turtles 29 September 2013 06: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: uzer 13
    The engine is usually mounted on the car, and not on the back of its owner, and this problem can be easily fixed. The light did not converge in YaMZ, there are other suitable engines, only unlike Andoria, you can ride it even with a faulty fuel pump. when this Andoria will jam at the most inopportune moment, because turbocharged engines are operating at the limit of their ability to remove heat from the working area. There is still an atmospheric 6-cylinder V-shaped diesel that was installed on the Ford town, is this option worse? Or inline 6 IFA cylinder diesel?

    Dear high-pressure fuel pump - this is a high-pressure fuel pump is a key part of any diesel engine, and if it malfunctions, the engine will be at least atmospheric, although it will not work with turbocharging. A turbocharged engine has a slightly shorter life than an aspirated one, but it also works reliably within a resource. So you stand for any imported aspirated, but not Andoria with which the car has already been created? This is well said about the owner’s back, it remains only to turn the car with a load capacity of 1 ton into a lorry, that is, to remake the entire suspension, which in your opinion is not difficult.
    1. uzer 13
      uzer 13 29 September 2013 18: 30 New
      +1
      How to go with a faulty fuel pump is classified information, only for special services. But you can still find out. You need to take a million dollars and a large amount of vodka and go to the nearest bus depot. There is sure to be a traitor who, flattered by money and vodka, will sell his homeland and will tell how it is done. The case is simple. You need to pour a half-bucket of diesel fuel into the air filter of this YaMZ, and the filter as intentionally designed for such force majeure circumstances. After that, start the engine and drive 10-15 km, then the procedure must be repeated. Now, almost proboltalsya.Vse, silent.
      We can say about the payload and the gross weight. For those who will drive these cars, these figures have absolutely no significance, they need the car to not get stuck in the mud and not break. The atmospheric diesel engine is better suited because it has torque It has a more uniform characteristic, shifted to the low-speed region, which means that there is more chance of not getting stuck on the roads. It is also simpler in design and not tied to the controller, the driver controls its work. And about Euro-4, what can I say? In the exhaust pipe mouth a catalyst and 2 lambda probes are poured in, they, together with all the sensors that are on the engine, are written into the controller configuration. If any of them breaks or a wire breaks, the engine power will be reset to the minimum, only to get to the nearest service station. In our diesel fuel It’s full of sulfur and it’s not suitable for Euro 4 at all. Oil must be used expensive, not giving soot when burned. If you pour some rubbish into the car, which in the army is still considered oil and diesel fuel, then you can burn and catalysed p, and lambda probes.
      But if the Russian army has undergone major changes, it has a lot of modern car services, all drivers have diplomas in digital technology, the army has no shortage of modern fuels and lubricants, it turns out that in vain I distrusted the design of this car. to forgive.
      1. Turtles
        Turtles 29 September 2013 20: 08 New
        +2
        You try to do so in practice, you will find deep disappointment, in vain given a million dollars and a lot of vodka. Do you know what traffic with a faulty fuel pump can lead to? This is also a military secret, but I’ll tell you about engine spacing. So the bucket is in your hands.
        1. ale-x
          ale-x 30 September 2013 12: 55 New
          -1
          What is the engine spacing? What are you talking about? If the injection pump is not working properly, the motor will not receive fuel and simply will not start or stop. And nothing to do with buckets. And the motor itself too ...
          1. dry
            dry off 30 September 2013 15: 16 New
            +2
            The motor will start. I will tell you a terrible secret - it will start even without diesel fuel - in engine oil. But the Turtle user is absolutely right - this is the "spacing" of the engine, i.e. uncontrolled increase in speed. Injection pump not only supplies fuel to the cylinders, but also DOSES it, i.e. allows you to control the motor.
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          3. Turtles
            Turtles 30 September 2013 15: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: ale-x
            What is the engine spacing? What are you talking about? If the injection pump is not working properly, the motor will not receive fuel and simply will not start or stop. And nothing to do with buckets. And the motor itself too ...

            Do you see the difference between malfunctioning and not working?
  28. Bigriver
    Bigriver 29 September 2013 17: 29 New
    +2
    It is doubtful:
    - engine. For the total weight of the machine - a prohibitive limit in power;
    - suspension and transmission.
    Hypothetically, let's say that a more powerful version of the propulsion device appears, which can be shoved into the engine compartment. But, the choice of suspension and transmission causes .., hmm, questions. Obviously, her choice was made on the basis of considerations of comfortable movement on horseradish roads. Off-road, it is not suitable.
    This way (independent, with rubber covers) the Wehrmacht was already walking along the territory of Russia. He naively believed that Russia is something akin to Europe, only with bad weather smile
    Problems Wehrmacht ogreb with independent .., "Mom Do not Cry."
    And then came it. And until now, on all kinds of trophy-raids, among the pros, gear axles are considered one of the most effective solutions.
    1. Turtles
      Turtles 29 September 2013 18: 44 New
      +3
      On the Tiger, too, an independent torsion bar suspension of all wheels, and he passed the most severe tests. As for the engine, I agree I would like something more powerful. I think the choice of engine is associated with cost savings, as the machine was developed on an initiative basis. Will order from MO pick up better.
      1. bask
        bask 29 September 2013 18: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Turtles
        ska all wheels, and he passed the most severe tests.

        SMP-2, Tiger ,, did not pass the main test for undermining.
        ,, Tiger M ,, 600 gr in t / e, under the body it is not serious.
        RG-31, 8 kg, w / e under the casing. And on bridges from a serial truck (MAN).
        Means cheaper in production.
        1. Turtles
          Turtles 29 September 2013 19: 09 New
          0
          When developing the Tiger, the customer did not set the task to ensure stability against undermining, this was said more than once. How is undermining stability linked to independent suspension? It has also been repeatedly said that there will be an order with the task of ensuring resistance to undermining; an appropriate modification will be created. By the way, Scorpio was tested for undermining, the tests were successful, the photo can be viewed on Mokrushin’s blog, and there is a discussion here.
          1. bask
            bask 29 September 2013 20: 26 New
            0
            Quote: Turtles
            How is undermining stability linked to independent suspension?

            Yes, not as unconnected.
            Quote: Turtles
            In order to ensure resistance to undermining, an appropriate modification will be created.

            Resistance to undermining, should be included in the base model, and not in the modification.
            Enough to pay with the lives of ordinary soldiers. In the troops in the North Caucasus, only mine-protected armored vehicles.
            The average weight of the IEDs in Dagestan amounted to 10 kg in t / e. For which modifications in the S. Caucasus should only be used, mine-protected armored cars ....
            And about the independent suspension: multi-purpose armored car ....
            Bushmaster APS, with independent suspension, excellent cross-country ability, and mine protection, 8 kg in t / e, under the body and 10 kg under the wheel.
            1. Turtles
              Turtles 29 September 2013 20: 32 New
              +1
              What was ordered, then received. The question of the safety of life of soldiers to the MO, which issues the order, and not to the developer who performs it.
              1. bask
                bask 29 September 2013 21: 17 New
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                Quote: Turtles
                What was ordered, then received. The question of the safety of life of soldiers to the MO, which issues an order, and not to the developer

                Why not to the developer. Moreover, you said ...
                Quote: Turtles
                developed on an initiative basis

                On a proactive basis, I will add together with the UAE.
                So in a multi-purpose armored car ... how was the Tiger and Scorpio developed, and should be incorporated into the technical characteristics and mine protection. Not on a bd ... do you ride it? And there is the sad experience of bombings and execution of columns in Chechnya in the war 1.2. And now there are constant bombings in Dagestan and Ingushetia.
                It is necessary to purchase already tested products, Typhoons, Urals, KamAZ.
                And for mobile units you need to create an analogue of JLTV.
                Lockheed Martin: Lightweight Tactical Vehicle (JLTV).
                1. Turtles
                  Turtles 30 September 2013 08: 28 New
                  +1
                  You carefully read what I have written.
                  1. The Scorpio was created on an initiative basis
                  2. About the Tiger. The direct customer of the multi-purpose vehicle was the Bin Jabr Group Ltd (BJG) company from the UAE, having allocated 60 million US dollars for the development and production of prototypes. The final customer was King Abdullah II Design and Development Bureau (KADDB) Jordanian King Abdula II [2]. The main executor and coordinator of the project was a subsidiary of the Gorky Automobile Plant (GAZ OJSC) Industrial Computer Technologies CJSC (PCT). The first samples of the Tiger HMTV were presented in Abu Dhabi at the International Exhibition of Arms IDEX-2001.

                  The customer liked the cars, but as a result, the contract for the supply of the Tiger was never signed, however, in Jordan in Al Dulaila, the joint Arab-Jordanian enterprise Advanced Industries of Arabia (AIA, 80% of the shares of BJG) began production of identical Nimr armored vehicles in June 2005 in various designs.
                  3. For the needs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, GAZ-233034 - SPM-1 Tiger are manufactured, ballistic protection class 3;
                  GAZ-233036 - SPM-2 "Tiger" ballistic protection level according to 5 class;
                  created on the terms of reference of this ministry.
                  For the army, the GAZ-233014 Tiger is produced - an army version of an armored vehicle;
                  KShM R-145BMA "Tiger" - command and staff vehicle
                  created by order of the Ministry of Defense, several more modifications are at the stage of development and testing. Initiatively, the Tiger was not created.

                  [/ Quote]

                  On a proactive basis, I will add together with the UAE.

                  It is necessary to buy already tested products into the troops, Typhoons

                  [/ Quote]
                  Not jointly, but by order. And that the Typhoons have already passed the tests, in my opinion they are in trial operation.
      2. Bigriver
        Bigriver 30 September 2013 03: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Turtles
        On the Tiger, too, an independent torsion bar suspension of all wheels, and he passed the most severe tests.

        On the Tiger and Scorpio, two different independent pendants.
        1. Tiger - cross-country diffs, final drive gear + torsos. In short, like on an armored personnel carrier.
        2. Scorpio - drives, CV joints, rubber bands, as in civilian jeeps with an independent front, such as Prado 95, Pajero-2, etc.
        The picture shows the Tiger pendant.
        1. Turtles
          Turtles 30 September 2013 08: 44 New
          +2
          It's all about the price of the issue. Tiger is dear, Scorpio is cheap. They took Scorpio for trial operation, they won’t like it, they will not buy it or they will say that it is necessary to redo it, modify it. Remember there was such an armored car "Vodnik" during the trial operation did not live up to expectations, refused to purchase.
          1. bask
            bask 30 September 2013 12: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: Turtles
            Scorpio - drives, CV joints, elastic bands, as in civilian jeeps with an independent front, such as Prado 95, Pajero-2,

            Was developed, another armored car ... ,, Wolf ,,
            With independent suspension and variable clearance. Russian analogue of JLTV.
            But again, the manufacturers (on an initiative basis), forgot that they needed mine protection. And again, these ridiculous 600 grams in t / e. Independent armor suspension ... ,, Wolf ,, the most expensive and difficult to manufacture.
            Independent suspension, armored car .. ,, Wolf ,,.
            1. Turtles
              Turtles 30 September 2013 15: 41 New
              +1
              There is a modification of "Wolf": VPK-39274 "Wolf-4" - a modification with a wheel formula of 6 × 6 with mine protection can withstand 6 kg / te.
              1. bask
                bask 30 September 2013 18: 30 New
                0
                Quote: Turtles
                There is a modification of "Wolf": VPK-39274 "Wolf-4" - a modification with a wheel formula of 6 × 6 with mine protection can withstand 6 kg / te.

                If not difficult, a reference to the studio.
                Turtles, and you’ve got a cool one on the avatar.
                MRAP, Mexican gang defense. laughing
                1. Turtles
                  Turtles 30 September 2013 19: 22 New
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                  It will not be difficult, here the modification is newer:
                  http://supermashiny.ru/rossijskij-broneavtomobil-volk/html
                  NATO STANAG 4569 can withstand from 6 to 8 kg / te, level 5 to 10 kg / te
                  1. bask
                    bask 30 September 2013 20: 13 New
                    0
                    Quote: Turtles
                    It will not be difficult, here the modification is newer:

                    Followed by your link. There is not a word about the test for undermining at 6 kg in t / e.
                    Quote: Turtles
                    NATO STANAG 4569 can withstand from 6 to 8 kg / te, level 5 to 10 kg / te

                    Read on Wikki, everything is written there. About NATO standard 4569.
                    It was nice to talk hi
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 30 September 2013 20: 22 New
                      +1
                      I welcome Andryukh, I’ve found something on Wolf.
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              2. bask
                bask 30 September 2013 19: 11 New
                +1
                Quote: Turtles
                withstands 6kg / te.

                Armored car ... ,, Wolf ,,, VPK-39273. (http://btvt.narod.ru).
                Design - frame chassis (when undermining 600 g in heat-exchange, it is immobilized.) The body is not bearing. All suspension elements are fixed on the frame.
                Armor protection is provided by mounted armor. Not a monocoque.
                Mine protection - according to the standard STANAG 4569, - 1 and 2 in the future. I translate up to 2 kg in t / e-all.
                1. Turtles
                  Turtles 30 September 2013 19: 34 New
                  0
                  Level 2
                  Kinetische Energie 7,62 × 39 mm API BZ auf 30 Meter bei einer Geschwindigkeit von 695 m / s. [1] Minenexplosionen Explosivpanzerminen mit 6 kg TNT: 2a - Aktivierung durch überfahren unter einzelnem Rad oder Kette. 2b - Minendetonation mittig unter Fahrzeug.
                  Translation: all the same 6kg
        2. bask
          bask 30 September 2013 12: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: Turtles
          It's all about the price of the issue. The tiger is expensive, the Scorpio is cheap ..... Remember there was such an armored car "Vodnik" during the trial operation did not live up to expectations, refused to purchase.

          Let's start with the first, any independent suspension will be more expensive, bridges.
          Vodnik the idea itself was good, but the quality of performance is disgusting.
          For mass production and cheaper products, it would be necessary for an armored car ... to be produced at the nodes of mass-produced trucks .... KamAZ, Ural, GAZ.
          The exception is armored cars .. for special forces and border guards. Only an independent suspension and preferably a hybrid engine.
          Here is the pipelac from South Africa, on the bridges (MAN) of the WERWOLF MK 2.

          1. dry
            dry off 30 September 2013 15: 26 New
            +2
            When a car with a dependent suspension is blown up, the bridge fails completely. With independent suspension, theoretically, in the presence of a gear lock, movement on 3 wheels is possible.
    2. bask
      bask 29 September 2013 21: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: BigRiver
      Problems Wehrmacht ogreb with independent .., "Mom Do not Cry."
      And then it appeared. And until now, on all kinds of trophy-raids, among the pros, gear axles are considered one of the most effective solutions.

      That Russian is well-German death angry
      At least one all-terrain vehicle in the world can repeat this !!!!!
      All-terrain vehicle ,, Calistrat ,,,. Underwater riding !!!
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      2. bask
        bask 29 September 2013 22: 27 New
        0
        Undermining an armored car .. Marader.
        The wheel did not fall off but the hub, I think, is completely destroyed.
      3. dry
        dry off 30 September 2013 15: 31 New
        0
        With special training - any.
  29. grandfather Vasily
    grandfather Vasily 30 September 2013 09: 29 New
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    Quote: Kibalchish
    Again trying to pass off the old for the new?
    Since the manufacture of the first four-wheeled cart, all the vehicles of such a line-up have been reminiscent of it ... (((
  30. grandfather Vasily
    grandfather Vasily 30 September 2013 09: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: bask
    At least one all-terrain vehicle in the world can repeat this !!!!!

    I think many !!! but only in tow ...)))
  31. Turtles
    Turtles 1 October 2013 13: 47 New
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    Quote: bask
    Read on Wikki, everything is written there. About NATO standard 4569. It was nice to talk

    Quote: bask

    Mine protection - according to the standard STANAG 4569, - 1 and 2 in the future. I translate up to 2 kg in t / e-all.

    Fell in Wicca Level 2
    bulletproof protection: bullet of БЗ armor-piercing incendiary cartridge 7,62mm x 39 at a distance of 30 meters at a meeting speed of 695 m / s angle (direction) of approach of the bullet: 360 ° (round)
    anti-fragmentation protection: detonation of 155 mm high-explosive fragmentation shell at a distance of 80 m
    mine protection: detonation of an anti-tank mine of a high-explosive action (charge mass 6 kg of explosives): 2a - detonation of a mine from push action when hit by a wheel or track
    2b - mine detonation under the bottom.
    The wolf has not yet been adopted by the final version of the reservation under a big question.
    In the same Wicca, Wolf cars do not have an all-welded hull, which is an important difference from their predecessor, the GAZ-2330 Tiger armored car. The modular design of the family is the basis in creating a unified transport platform of a new generation.

    Circular body armor is provided with hinged armor, complies with 6 class (3 level in accordance with STANAG 4569) and provide crew protection against all major types of small arms (even when firing an SVD rifle bullet) and shell fragments.
    1. Turtles
      Turtles 1 October 2013 14: 11 New
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      Technical characteristics of the armored car Wolf by Wicca:
      Full weight: 7500 — 11500 kg
      Wheel formula: 4 × 4 or 6 × 6
      Suspension: Independent Hydropneumatic Suspension [1]
      Clearance: Changeable from 250 to 550 mm
      Armor: Ballistic Defense 6a
      Mine protection - 2 protection class STANAG 4569 (6 kg of explosives)

      Engine: YaMZ-5347-20 4,4 L power: 190, 240 hp
      standard: Euro-4

      Load capacity: 1,5 — 4,5 T
      Landing: 8 — 18 people.
      Maximum speed: 120 km / h
      Power reserve: 1000 km
      Wading depth: 1,5 m