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Turkey has chosen the Chinese ZRK HQ-9

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The long-lasting tender of the Turkish Ministry of Defense for the purchase of medium-range and long-range air defense systems under the T-LORAMIDS (Turkish Long Range Air and Missile Defense System) program ended on September 26 on 2013 with a sensational decision - after a meeting of the Department of Defense chaired by Turkish Prime Minister Teip Erdogan The industry (Savunma Sanayii Müsteşarlığı - SSM) of the Turkish Ministry of Defense announced the selection of the Chinese air defense system HQ-9, submitted to the tender by the Chinese trade association China Precision Machinery Export-Import Corporation (CPMIEC). In total, it is planned to purchase 12 systems (divisions) HQ-9, the estimated cost of the purchase will be 3 billion dollars. Thus, Turkey will become the first foreign buyer of the HQ-9 SAMs developed and produced by the Academy of Defense Technology (the so-called "Second Academy") of the Chinese state China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC). The development of HQ-9, apparently, was carried out with the participation of Russian enterprises. The choice of this SSM system is motivated by the lowest price of the Chinese proposal.


Other bidders in the T-LORAMIDS tender at the final stages were represented by the Alliance of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin Patriot ZRS (combination of PAC-2 GMT and PAC-3), presented by the European consortium Eurosam SAM ZPP (with Aster 30 Block 1) and presented by "Rosoboronexport" ZRS C-300ВМ "Antey-2500". Earlier, Rosoboronexport refused to promote Turkey's C-400 ZRS, proposed in the early stages of the tender. Representatives of NATO have repeatedly openly warned Turkey against the choice of Russian or Chinese proposals, citing the possible problems of integrating "non-Western" complexes into the unified NATO air defense system.
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  1. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 27 September 2013 10: 20 New
    +9
    Oh damn here to find out what exactly prompted the Turks to such a decision? There is logic in it, without question, to find out which one. It’s good that it’s not Patriot - it’s bad that it’s not S-300. Turks will buy Chinese air defense systems. China will buy Russian. For some reason, the Chinese prefer to cover Beijing and Shanghai with Russian complexes.
    1. anip
      anip 27 September 2013 10: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: smiths xnumx
      Oh damn here to find out what exactly prompted the Turks to such a decision?


      The choice of this SSM system is motivated by the lowest price of the Chinese offer.
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 27 September 2013 10: 32 New
        +2
        Dear Andrey Ivanitch, it is not just that a NATO member country will buy someone else’s military equipment. Moreover, Turkey, they have always been guided in matters of armament by the United States and Germany. Of course, I understand if something can be counted on for Germans with real Patriots. Now who is on duty there against the bloody Assad? ;) It seems that the Chinese simply agreed to transfer production technologies ... Regards hi
        1. Turbo 253
          Turbo 253 27 September 2013 11: 50 New
          +2
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    2. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 27 September 2013 10: 32 New
      +6
      It’s good that it’s not the c300 just because the Turks are not our allies, but the Chinese do not change their rule, they take as usual the price.
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 27 September 2013 10: 39 New
        +1
        It’s good that it’s not the c300 just because the Turks are not our allies, but the Chinese do not change their rule, they take as usual the price.

        Nonetheless. We sell S-300 to the same Chinese. According to Wiki:
        32 S-300PMU, 64 S-300PMU1, 64 S-300PMU2 for 2010. We acquired S-300PMU1 and a production license called Hongqi-10 (HQ-10). China is also the first buyer of the S-300PMU2 and can probably use the S-300V called Hongqi HQ-18. They also created an upgraded version of the HQ-10, calling it the HQ-15 with a maximum range increased from 150 km to 200 km. There are unconfirmed reports that this version is manufactured in China S-300PMU2. In total, from 1993 to 2008, 4 S-300PMU divisions, 8 S-300PMU1 divisions and 8 S-300PMU2 divisions were delivered (a total of 20 S-300 divisions, 4 launchers in each division;

        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1-300

        Remember the contract with Cyprus, where did the S-300 end up? In Greece, and Greece is also a member of NATO. S-300 is in Slovakia and Croatia, also members of NATO. Well, do not forget about the gift from the Belarus brothers:
        At the end of December 1994, the An-124 Ruslan heavy transport plane delivered a secret cargo to the US Air Force base Redstone (Alabama). The next day, a sensational article appeared in the Washington Post, stating that this cargo was nothing but the components of the latest Russian S-300 system, allegedly sold by Belarus through the state-owned Beltexexport company. A series of subsequent publications said that the deal was bypassing Moscow and inflicting incomparable damage to it: the S-300 PMU missile system allegedly appeared in the United States. This is one of the latest versions of the S-300 with high potential for combating both traditional aerodynamic targets for air defense systems and those that have a ballistic trajectory.

        http://kommersant.ru/doc/103833
        Yours! hi
        1. zanoza
          zanoza 27 September 2013 10: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: smiths xnumx
          Remember the contract with Cyprus, ...


          This is our Russian know-how. to build for our Air Force 2 new aircraft, we must first with a dozen sell abroad. request
          1. Airman
            Airman 27 September 2013 13: 12 New
            0
            Quote: zanoza


            This is our Russian know-how. to build for our Air Force 2 new aircraft, we must first with a dozen sell abroad. request

            Business is business, and nothing more, the most important thing is money, and they will not defend the Homeland and live in it. One good thing is that Chinese technology does not work for a long time.
        2. Kipish
          Kipish 27 September 2013 11: 57 New
          0
          The Turks simply do not know that the Chinese put bookmarks on all their products so that the equipment works for no more than a month, honestly, how do they do it?
        3. Airman
          Airman 27 September 2013 13: 17 New
          +1
          [quote = Kuznetsov 1977] allegedly sold by Belarus through the state-owned Beltexexport company. A series of subsequent publications said that the deal was bypassing Moscow and inflicting incomparable damage to it: the S-300 PMU missile system allegedly appeared in the United States. This is one of the latest versions of the S-300 with high potential for combating both traditional aerodynamic targets for air defense systems and those that have a ballistic trajectory. [/ Quote]
          [quote] http://kommersant.ru/doc/103833 [/ quote] Regards! hi[/ Quote]
          Belarus sold the S-300 with the knowledge and consent of Moscow officials, this has already been written, but as always, there were no perpetrators.
      2. alone
        alone 27 September 2013 10: 48 New
        +3
        NATO representatives have repeatedly openly warned Turkey against the choice of Russian or Chinese proposals, citing the possible problems of integrating "non-Western" systems into the NATO integrated air defense system.


        it seems the Turks put on warning Nato.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 27 September 2013 11: 06 New
          0
          Quote: lonely
          NATO representatives have repeatedly openly warned Turkey against the choice of Russian or Chinese proposals, citing the possible problems of integrating "non-Western" systems into the NATO integrated air defense system.

          it seems the Turks put on warning Nato.

          They warned, motivating by the leaking of grandmas in someone else's pocket. smile
          1. alone
            alone 27 September 2013 13: 38 New
            +2
            and that too.))
            1. Geisenberg
              Geisenberg 28 September 2013 02: 31 New
              0
              Quote: lonely
              and that too.))


              they are a little swell in NATO, so they are allowed. if they leave NATO from Sashanik, the region will not remain.
        2. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 28 September 2013 18: 05 New
          0
          Quote: lonely
          it seems the Turks put on warning Nato.

          That's right and done! hi
    3. Civil
      Civil 27 September 2013 10: 48 New
      +3
      The greed of some comrades who sold with 300 to China overshadowed the mind.
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    5. illidar
      illidar 27 September 2013 16: 24 New
      +1
      As I understand it, the Turks were guided primarily by political motives. See for yourself: they have contradictions with us, in the light of our position on Syria, more than enough, therefore naturally unwillingness to become technologically dependent on a potential enemy. Further, as soon as the unrest in Istanbul, the United States and Europe, seemingly allies, immediately spoke out in support of the protesters, and not Erdogan. Moreover, with the naked eye you can see an increase in tension with the states against the background of an increase in Turkey's regional ambitions. There is a likelihood of a scenario like the Arab Spring in Turkey.
      Turkey’s interests do not overlap with China.
    6. Su-9
      Su-9 28 September 2013 08: 32 New
      0
      The main reason for the purchase by the Turks of the Chinese air defense system lies on the surface - to enable the NATO bloc to develop a system to counter Chinese air defense. Even if the Chinese withdraw from service - the Turks have nothing to be afraid of - the capabilities of attack aircraft from both the Arabs and the Persians are minuscule, and they will be like this for at least a dozen years. From the Russian side, if there is a blow, then it will hit European centers. The Turks will somehow cover the Bosphorus, they have no more goals ...
      And here - a good system, inexpensive, and even a bunch of whists from allies in NATO.
    7. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 28 September 2013 18: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: smiths xnumx
      Oh damn here to find out what exactly prompted the Turks to such a decision?

      Technology transfer integrating Turkish systems there, co-production!
  2. Vadivak
    Vadivak 27 September 2013 10: 21 New
    +6
    This is a mixture of Patriot and S-300

    In terms of combat capabilities, it is approximately similar to the Russian S-300PMU system. They drew from her. The firing range is 100 km, which is greater than the S-300PMU (90 km), but less than the S-300PMU-1 (150 km). The launcher has four transport and launch containers with SAM, which are similar in appearance on TPK PU 5P85 of the S-300P system. The NT-233 phased array target designation radar is mounted on a wheeled chassis, as on the S-300PMU (30N6 radar on the MAZ-7910 chassis). Industrial espionage also contributed to the creation of this system. The NT-233 radar resembles the AN / MPQ-53 radar of the American Patriot air defense system.

    Here is a combination of technologies of the Russian and American systems.
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 27 September 2013 10: 23 New
      +4
      The Chinese, as always, have few of their own. Mostly stolen goods.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 27 September 2013 10: 34 New
        +4
        Quote: Kibalchish
        The Chinese, as always, have few of their own. Mostly stolen goods.


        They steal everything from secrets to brands. Here's an example of a clone of Audi A4 Avant from Yema Auto
      2. zanoza
        zanoza 27 September 2013 10: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: Kibalchish
        Mostly stolen goods.


        I would clarify.Purchased thieves (traitors) from producer countries of interest to their facilities. And often they are simply officially delivered by contract, on the basis of not far-sighted, momentary political decisions.
    2. Turbo 253
      Turbo 253 27 September 2013 11: 56 New
      +2
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      1. ansons
        ansons 27 September 2013 20: 54 New
        +3
        Well, why are you surprised? China is the birthplace of fireworks fellow
      2. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 28 September 2013 18: 09 New
        0
        Do not worry, Turkey will finalize!
  3. pinecone
    pinecone 27 September 2013 10: 23 New
    +2
    The choice of this SSM system is motivated by the lowest price of the Chinese offer.

    The "Chinese factor" in action.
  4. andrei332809
    andrei332809 27 September 2013 10: 24 New
    +1
    how now erdogan before nata will be justified? yes, and Israeli friends will squint
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 27 September 2013 10: 29 New
      +1
      For the NATO friends of Turkey, the main thing is that I did not buy from Russia. And that's why Turkey can buy air defense systems and Syria can not? Here they are double standards.
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 28 September 2013 18: 13 New
        0
        Quote: klimpopov
        For the NATO friends of Turkey, the main thing is that I did not buy from Russia.

        Russia did not betray technology and this is the main argument! hi
    2. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 28 September 2013 18: 11 New
      0
      Quote: andrei332809
      how now erdogan before nata will be justified?

      And why make excuses? Who pays that music orders!
  5. Revolver
    Revolver 27 September 2013 10: 27 New
    +6
    But the nefig was to supply the S-300 Chinas. By the way, why do they want to buy a SU-35, don’t you guess?
    1. Canep
      Canep 27 September 2013 10: 32 New
      +4
      What Russia does not sell to China, everything is copied. ALL!!!
    2. Nick888
      Nick888 27 September 2013 10: 50 New
      +1
      Copy, but what the hell is he) I read that the Su-35 will be delivered without electronics like the American one, the electronics themselves are filled with buyers. I think this should be done in the future.
      1. Fornit
        Fornit 27 September 2013 11: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: Nick888
        su-xnumx will ship without electronics

        And still it would be necessary without engines ...
        1. DEMENTIY
          DEMENTIY 27 September 2013 13: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: Fornit
          Quote: Nick888
          su-xnumx will ship without electronics

          And still it would be necessary without engines ...


          And without a glider ... wink
          1. starhina01
            starhina01 27 September 2013 14: 56 New
            +2
            Su-35 will be delivered without electronics And it would be necessary without engines ... And without a glider ... only photo lol
            1. Nick888
              Nick888 27 September 2013 17: 02 New
              0
              She, photos + materials) By the type of any designers of reduced models, even if they are assembled, but without electronics, well, outdated engines can be supplied)
  6. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 27 September 2013 10: 31 New
    +4
    Rosoboronexport refused to promote Turkey S-400 air defense system - and rightly so! It is clear to everyone where she will go next ... laughing
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 28 September 2013 18: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      Rosoboronexport "refused to promote Turkey S-400 air defense system - and rightly so

      For this, others with technology sell together!
  7. 787nkx
    787nkx 27 September 2013 10: 38 New
    +1
    The external shape shows that China did not bathe at all with the development of the complex - a complete copy of the S-300.
    I think the stuffing is also the same.
  8. Gur
    Gur 27 September 2013 10: 52 New
    +1
    The news is not fun on the heels
  9. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 27 September 2013 12: 13 New
    0
    There you have the Red Banner!
  10. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 27 September 2013 13: 17 New
    +2
    This is what kind of kickback did the Ottomans bring to the Ottomans?

    On the other hand, “if I were a sultan,” I would take - S-300.

    If in the future (God forbid!) A military escalation, Turkish air defense does not work, it will be good.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 28 September 2013 17: 52 New
      +1
      But you are not a sultan!
  11. Praetorian
    Praetorian 27 September 2013 13: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: Enot-poloskun
    It was announced the selection of the Chinese air defense system HQ-9.


    Quote: Enot-poloskun
    The development of HQ-9, apparently, was carried out with the participation of Russian enterprises


    Quote: Enot-poloskun
    Other bidders in the T-LORAMIDS tender at the final stages were also the Antei-300 air defense system presented by Rosoboronexport OJSC.


    Everything for the front! All for victory!

    PS. I do not like this trend.
  12. Hey
    Hey 27 September 2013 13: 53 New
    0
    Ecuador has already taken advantage of Chinese technology, now let these get into it too. And all will be happy.
  13. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 27 September 2013 14: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: Turbo 253
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    If the Turks saw this video, they might still have thought whether or not to buy Chinese air defense systems! wassat
    1. Strashila
      Strashila 27 September 2013 15: 35 New
      0
      Or maybe so conceived fellow type jamming system good
    2. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 28 September 2013 17: 54 New
      0
      That's right and did what they chose Chinese!
  14. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 27 September 2013 15: 06 New
    0
    Spectacularly. The Chinese have always been masters of fireworks :))
    1. Hektor
      Hektor 27 September 2013 21: 13 New
      +4
      Looking at the Protons and Maces, you can’t say it right away.
  15. Strashila
    Strashila 27 September 2013 15: 31 New
    0
    What is surprising ... the main price, but another component is possible ... the West is serious about the development of the defense industry of the People's Republic of China ... getting the export full complex even the same thing ... will be where to train.
  16. Yeraz
    Yeraz 27 September 2013 15: 32 New
    +1
    Here I think Comrade Kuznetsov is right. The S-300 would not give NATO, and Turkey is trying to act more and more independently, and the purchase of Petriot would certainly give the opposite effect. The Chinese most likely agreed to the transfer of technology, and besides, this is their first sale .Turkey is developing its defense industry and this is a great chance.
    But I didn’t understand it says that 12 systems (divisions) were bought. Is it like 12 divisions? If I don’t get 12 installations in one division.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 28 September 2013 17: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Yeraz
      .The Chinese most likely all agreed to the transfer of technology, and besides, this is their first sale. Turkey is developing its defense industry and this is a great chance.


      That's right! The co-production of 50 on 50 will be! And the next generation of air defense
      Turkey itself will develop!
  17. Hektor
    Hektor 27 September 2013 21: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: pinecone
    The choice of this SSM system is motivated by the lowest price of the Chinese offer.

    The "Chinese factor" in action.


    Well, that is, there are 10 billion greens, but 15 no yes ??
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 28 September 2013 17: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Hektor
      Well, that is, there are 10 billion greens, but there is no 15, right?

      Technology transfer is the main factor!
  18. Lindon
    Lindon 28 September 2013 08: 51 New
    +1
    This is a failure. Previously, China only traded in Kalashnikovs. Now it’s already reached the level of air defense, tomorrow Chinese clone planes will supplant Russian ones. You need to think about it before the Chinese show something at all, and even more so sell it.
  19. Prosha
    Prosha 28 September 2013 12: 17 New
    0
    Quote: smiths xnumx
    Oh damn here to find out what exactly prompted the Turks to such a decision? There is logic in it, without question, to find out which one. It’s good that it’s not Patriot - it’s bad that it’s not S-300. Turks will buy Chinese air defense systems. China will buy Russian. For some reason, the Chinese prefer to cover Beijing and Shanghai with Russian complexes.

    The Chinese do not do anything for nothing, they buy Russian air defense systems for further analysis and to reduce design costs, why invent a bicycle ourselves if it has already been made in metal or plastic. And then an analogue to sell the same Turkey or someone else.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 28 September 2013 18: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Prosha
      . And then an analogue to sell the same Turkey or someone else.

      They don’t sell finished goods, but jointly produce them!
  20. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 28 September 2013 19: 21 New
    0
    Turkish Air Defense Medium Range!
  21. darksoul
    darksoul 29 September 2013 16: 08 New
    0
    I consider Turks more as enemies, not friends, therefore this choice is a gift to us from above, by us I mean people and not those who lost their momentary revenue