Turkey has chosen the Chinese ZRK HQ-9

The long-lasting tender of the Turkish Ministry of Defense for the purchase of medium-range and long-range air defense systems under the T-LORAMIDS (Turkish Long Range Air and Missile Defense System) program ended on September 26 on 2013 with a sensational decision - after a meeting of the Department of Defense chaired by Turkish Prime Minister Teip Erdogan The industry (Savunma Sanayii Müsteşarlığı - SSM) of the Turkish Ministry of Defense announced the selection of the Chinese air defense system HQ-9, submitted to the tender by the Chinese trade association China Precision Machinery Export-Import Corporation (CPMIEC). In total, it is planned to purchase 12 systems (divisions) HQ-9, the estimated cost of the purchase will be 3 billion dollars. Thus, Turkey will become the first foreign buyer of the HQ-9 SAMs developed and produced by the Academy of Defense Technology (the so-called "Second Academy") of the Chinese state China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC). The development of HQ-9, apparently, was carried out with the participation of Russian enterprises. The choice of this SSM system is motivated by the lowest price of the Chinese proposal.

Other bidders in the T-LORAMIDS tender at the final stages were represented by the Alliance of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin Patriot ZRS (combination of PAC-2 GMT and PAC-3), presented by the European consortium Eurosam SAM ZPP (with Aster 30 Block 1) and presented by "Rosoboronexport" ZRS C-300ВМ "Antey-2500". Earlier, Rosoboronexport refused to promote Turkey's C-400 ZRS, proposed in the early stages of the tender. Representatives of NATO have repeatedly openly warned Turkey against the choice of Russian or Chinese proposals, citing the possible problems of integrating "non-Western" complexes into the unified NATO air defense system.

Comments

[smiths xnumx]

Oh damn here to find out what exactly prompted the Turks to such a decision? There is logic in it, without question, to find out which one. It’s good that it’s not Patriot - it’s bad that it’s not S-300. Turks will buy Chinese air defense systems. China will buy Russian. For some reason, the Chinese prefer to cover Beijing and Shanghai with Russian complexes.

[anip]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Oh damn here to find out what exactly prompted the Turks to such a decision?

The choice of this SSM system is motivated by the lowest price of the Chinese offer.

[smiths xnumx]

Dear Andrey Ivanitch, it is not just that a NATO member country will buy someone else’s military equipment. Moreover, Turkey, they have always been guided in matters of armament by the United States and Germany. Of course, I understand if something can be counted on for Germans with real Patriots. Now who is on duty there against the bloody Assad? ;) It seems that the Chinese simply agreed to transfer production technologies ... Regards

[Turbo 253]

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[tilovaykrisa]

It’s good that it’s not the c300 just because the Turks are not our allies, but the Chinese do not change their rule, they take as usual the price.

[smiths xnumx]

It’s good that it’s not the c300 just because the Turks are not our allies, but the Chinese do not change their rule, they take as usual the price.

Nonetheless. We sell S-300 to the same Chinese. According to Wiki:

32 S-300PMU, 64 S-300PMU1, 64 S-300PMU2 for 2010. We acquired S-300PMU1 and a production license called Hongqi-10 (HQ-10). China is also the first buyer of the S-300PMU2 and can probably use the S-300V called Hongqi HQ-18. They also created an upgraded version of the HQ-10, calling it the HQ-15 with a maximum range increased from 150 km to 200 km. There are unconfirmed reports that this version is manufactured in China S-300PMU2. In total, from 1993 to 2008, 4 S-300PMU divisions, 8 S-300PMU1 divisions and 8 S-300PMU2 divisions were delivered (a total of 20 S-300 divisions, 4 launchers in each division;

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1-300

Remember the contract with Cyprus, where did the S-300 end up? In Greece, and Greece is also a member of NATO. S-300 is in Slovakia and Croatia, also members of NATO. Well, do not forget about the gift from the Belarus brothers:

In late December 1994, an An-124 Ruslan heavy transport aircraft delivered a secret cargo to the Redstone Air Force Base (Alabama). The next day, a sensational article appeared in the Washington Post, claiming that this cargo was nothing more than components of the latest Russian S-300 system, allegedly sold by Belarus through the state-owned company Beltechexport. In a series of subsequent publications, it was said that the deal was carried out bypassing Moscow and inflicting incomparable damage to it: the S-300 PMU missile system allegedly ended up in the United States. This is one of the latest variants of the S-300 with a high potential for combating both aerodynamic targets traditional for air defense systems and those that have a ballistic trajectory.

http://kommersant.ru/doc/103833

Yours!

[zanoza]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Remember the contract with Cyprus, ...

This is our Russian know-how. to build for our Air Force 2 new aircraft, we must first with a dozen sell abroad.

[Airman]

Quote: zanoza

This is our Russian know-how. to build for our Air Force 2 new aircraft, we must first with a dozen sell abroad.

Business is business, and nothing more, the most important thing is money, and they will not defend the Homeland and live in it. One good thing is that Chinese technology does not work for a long time.

[Kipish]

The Turks simply do not know that the Chinese put bookmarks on all their products so that the equipment works for no more than a month, honestly, how do they do it?

[Airman]

[quote = Kuznetsov 1977] allegedly sold by Belarus through the state-owned company Beltechexport. In a series of subsequent publications, it was said that the deal was carried out bypassing Moscow and inflicting incomparable damage to it: the S-300 PMU missile system allegedly ended up in the United States. This is one of the latest versions of the S-300 with a high potential for combating both traditional aerodynamic targets for air defense systems and those that have a ballistic trajectory. [/ Quote]
[quote] http://kommersant.ru/doc/103833 [/ quote] Regards! [/ Quote]
Belarus sold the S-300 with the knowledge and consent of Moscow officials, this has already been written, but as always, there were no perpetrators.

[alone]

NATO representatives have repeatedly openly warned Turkey against choosing Russian or Chinese proposals, citing the possible problems of integrating "non-Western" complexes into NATO's unified air defense system.

it seems the Turks put on warning Nato.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: lonely

NATO representatives have repeatedly openly warned Turkey against choosing Russian or Chinese proposals, citing the possible problems of integrating "non-Western" complexes into NATO's unified air defense system.

it seems the Turks put on warning Nato.

They warned, motivating by the leaking of grandmas in someone else's pocket.

[alone]

and that too.))

[Geisenberg]

Quote: lonely

and that too.))

they are a little swell in NATO, so they are allowed. if they leave NATO from Sashanik, the region will not remain.

[ayyildiz]

Quote: lonely

it seems the Turks put on warning Nato.

That's right and done!

[Civil]

The greed of some comrades who sold with 300 to China overshadowed the mind.

[illidar]

As I understand it, the Turks were guided primarily by political motives. See for yourself: they have contradictions with us, in the light of our position on Syria, more than enough, therefore naturally unwillingness to become technologically dependent on a potential enemy. Further, as soon as the unrest in Istanbul, the United States and Europe, seemingly allies, immediately spoke out in support of the protesters, and not Erdogan. Moreover, with the naked eye you can see an increase in tension with the states against the background of an increase in Turkey's regional ambitions. There is a likelihood of a scenario like the Arab Spring in Turkey.
Turkey’s interests do not overlap with China.

[Su-9]

The main reason for the purchase by the Turks of the Chinese air defense system lies on the surface - to enable the NATO bloc to develop a system to counter Chinese air defense. Even if the Chinese withdraw from service - the Turks have nothing to be afraid of - the capabilities of attack aircraft from both the Arabs and the Persians are minuscule, and they will be like this for at least a dozen years. From the Russian side, if there is a blow, then it will hit European centers. The Turks will somehow cover the Bosphorus, they have no more goals ...
And here - a good system, inexpensive, and even a bunch of whists from allies in NATO.

[ayyildiz]

Quote: Kuznetsov 1977

Oh damn here to find out what exactly prompted the Turks to such a decision?

Technology transfer integrating Turkish systems there, co-production!

[Vadivak]

This is a mixture of Patriot and S-300

In terms of combat capabilities, it is approximately similar to the Russian S-300PMU system. They drew from her. The firing range is 100 km, which is greater than the S-300PMU (90 km), but less than the S-300PMU-1 (150 km). The launcher has four transport and launch containers with SAM, which are similar in appearance on TPK PU 5P85 of the S-300P system. The NT-233 phased array target designation radar is mounted on a wheeled chassis, as on the S-300PMU (30N6 radar on the MAZ-7910 chassis). Industrial espionage also contributed to the creation of this system. The NT-233 radar resembles the AN / MPQ-53 radar of the American Patriot air defense system.

Here is a combination of technologies of the Russian and American systems.

[Kibalchish]

The Chinese, as always, have few of their own. Mostly stolen goods.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Kibalchish

The Chinese, as always, have few of their own. Mostly stolen goods.

They steal everything from secrets to brands. Here's an example of a clone of Audi A4 Avant from Yema Auto

[zanoza]

Quote: Kibalchish

Mostly stolen goods.

I would clarify.Purchased thieves (traitors) from producer countries of interest to their facilities. And often they are simply officially delivered by contract, on the basis of not far-sighted, momentary political decisions.

[Turbo 253]

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[ansons]

Well, why are you surprised? China is the birthplace of fireworks

[ayyildiz]

Do not worry, Turkey will finalize!

[pinecone]

The choice of this SSM system is motivated by the lowest price of the Chinese offer.

The "China factor" in action.

[andrei332809]

how now erdogan before nata will be justified? yes, and Israeli friends will squint

[klimpopov]

For the NATO friends of Turkey, the main thing is that I did not buy from Russia. And that's why Turkey can buy air defense systems and Syria can not? Here they are double standards.

[ayyildiz]

Quote: klimpopov

For the NATO friends of Turkey, the main thing is that I did not buy from Russia.

Russia did not betray technology and this is the main argument!

[ayyildiz]

Quote: andrei332809

how now erdogan before nata will be justified?

And why make excuses? Who pays that music orders!

[Revolver]

But the nefig was to supply the S-300 Chinas. By the way, why do they want to buy a SU-35, don’t you guess?

[Canep]

What Russia does not sell to China, everything is copied. ALL!!!

[Nick888]

Copy, but what the hell is he) I read that the Su-35 will be delivered without electronics like the American one, the electronics themselves are filled with buyers. I think this should be done in the future.

[Fortnite]

Quote: Nick888

su-xnumx will ship without electronics

And still it would be necessary without engines ...

[DEMENTIY]

Quote: Fornit

Quote: Nick888

su-xnumx will ship without electronics

And still it would be necessary without engines ...

And without a glider ...

[starhina01]

Su-35 will be delivered without electronics And it would be necessary without engines ... And without a glider ... only photo

[Nick888]

She, photos + materials) By the type of any designers of reduced models, even if they are assembled, but without electronics, well, outdated engines can be supplied)

[Dazdranagon]

Rosoboronexport refuses to promote Turkey S-400 air defense systems - and rightly so! It is clear to everyone where she will go next ...

[ayyildiz]

Quote: Dazdranagon

Rosoboronexport "refused to promote Turkey's S-400 air defense systems - and this is correct

For this, others with technology sell together!

[787nkx]

The external shape shows that China did not bathe at all with the development of the complex - a complete copy of the S-300.
I think the stuffing is also the same.

[Gur]

The news is not fun on the heels

[MilaPhone]

So much for the Red Banner!

[Enot-poloskun]

This is what kind of kickback did the Ottomans bring to the Ottomans?

On the other hand, "if I were a sultan," I would take the S-300.

If in the future (God forbid!) A military escalation, Turkish air defense does not work, it will be good.

[ayyildiz]

But you are not a sultan!

[Praetorian]

Quote: Enot-poloskun

It was announced the selection of the Chinese air defense system HQ-9.

Quote: Enot-poloskun

The development of HQ-9, apparently, was carried out with the participation of Russian enterprises

Quote: Enot-poloskun

Other applicants in the T-LORAMIDS tender at the final stages were the S-300VM Antey-2500 air defense missile system presented by Rosoboronexport.

Everything for the front! All for victory!

PS. I do not like this trend.

[Hey]

Ecuador has already taken advantage of Chinese technology, now let these get into it too. And all will be happy.

[Kovrovsky]

Quote: Turbo 253

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If the Turks saw this video, they might still have thought whether or not to buy Chinese air defense systems!

[Strashila]

Or maybe so conceived type jamming system

[ayyildiz]

That's right and did what they chose Chinese!

[Kowalsky]

Spectacularly. The Chinese have always been masters of fireworks :))

[Hektor]

Looking at the Protons and Maces, you can’t say it right away.

[Strashila]

What is surprising ... the main price, but another component is possible ... the West is serious about the development of the defense industry of the People's Republic of China ... getting the export full complex even the same thing ... will be where to train.

[Yeraz]

Here I think Comrade Kuznetsov is right. The S-300 would not give NATO, and Turkey is trying to act more and more independently, and the purchase of Petriot would certainly give the opposite effect. The Chinese most likely agreed to the transfer of technology, and besides, this is their first sale .Turkey is developing its defense industry and this is a great chance.
But I didn’t understand it says that 12 systems (divisions) were bought. Is it like 12 divisions? If I don’t get 12 installations in one division.

[ayyildiz]

Quote: Yeraz

.The Chinese most likely all agreed to the transfer of technology, and besides, this is their first sale. Turkey is developing its defense industry and this is a great chance.

That's right! The co-production of 50 on 50 will be! And the next generation of air defense
Turkey itself will develop!

[Hektor]

Quote: pinecone

The choice of this SSM system is motivated by the lowest price of the Chinese offer.

The "China factor" in action.

Well, that is, there are 10 billion greens, but 15 no yes ??

[ayyildiz]

Quote: Hektor

Well, that is, there are 10 billion greens, but there is no 15, right?

Technology transfer is the main factor!

[Lindon]

This is a failure. Previously, China only traded in Kalashnikovs. Now it’s already reached the level of air defense, tomorrow Chinese clone planes will supplant Russian ones. You need to think about it before the Chinese show something at all, and even more so sell it.

[Prosha]

Quote: smiths xnumx

Oh damn here to find out what exactly prompted the Turks to such a decision? There is logic in it, without question, to find out which one. It’s good that it’s not Patriot - it’s bad that it’s not S-300. Turks will buy Chinese air defense systems. China will buy Russian. For some reason, the Chinese prefer to cover Beijing and Shanghai with Russian complexes.

The Chinese do not do anything for nothing, they buy Russian air defense systems for further analysis and to reduce design costs, why invent a bicycle ourselves if it has already been made in metal or plastic. And then an analogue to sell the same Turkey or someone else.

[ayyildiz]

Quote: Prosha

. And then an analogue to sell the same Turkey or someone else.

They don’t sell finished goods, but jointly produce them!

[ayyildiz]

Turkish Air Defense Medium Range!

[darksoul]

I consider Turks more as enemies, not friends, therefore this choice is a gift to us from above, by us I mean people and not those who lost their momentary revenue