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Will Ukraine and Russia be able to agree on the delimitation of maritime borders?

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After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the two newly created states - Ukraine and Russia - faced a difficult problem: they could not divide the expanses of the Black and Azov Seas among themselves. Negotiations on this issue were held repeatedly, and with varying success. In this case, the final decision was not taken.

Bilateral negotiations between Russia and Ukraine aimed at defining the sea borders in the Black and Azov Seas and in the Kerch Strait began as early as 1996. It should be noted that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Ukrainian government defined its maritime boundary between the Krasnodar Territory and the island of Tuzla along the line of the scour. Thus, the shipping part of the Kerch Strait was on the side of Ukraine. Until the XIX century Tuzla, which is now an island, was a scythe. In the middle of the last century, an unsuccessful attempt was made to restore the spit. In 2003, the attempt was repeated, but at that time there already existed a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia, therefore dumping of the spit was stopped.

In January 2003, an agreement was signed between representatives of the two countries, according to which the land border was determined between Ukraine and Russia, and the status of the inland waters of both countries was determined behind the waters of the Sea of ​​Azov and the Kerch Strait.

Another outbreak of activity on the problem of delimitation of maritime borders occurred in the summer of 2013, after 17 July, a tragedy occurred in the area of ​​Vorontsovka village in the Sea of ​​Azov: a boat of the Russian border guard collided with a Ukrainian launch. Killed four citizens of Ukraine. One of the main reasons for what happened, according to experts, is precisely the unsettledness of the problem of the Russian-Ukrainian sea border.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine claims that this issue is at the decision stage. Moreover, progress in negotiations can be achieved very soon. In addition, as stated in the department, the problem of delimitation of maritime borders is one of the priorities in bilateral relations between states. The head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Leonid Kozhara, in particular, confirmed that Ukraine and Russia had come up for discussion of the fundamental principles of the negotiations, and the countries came up almost to the end of negotiations on the establishment of sea borders and the delimitation of the Kerch Strait. He also noted that the heads of two states approached the adoption of a final decision and approval of the proposals that had been prepared by the Russian and Ukrainian delegations. After that, the negotiations can be considered fully completed. At the same time, Kozhara did not clarify the essence of the fundamental principles, citing the fact that the negotiation process is not yet completed.

Recall that in the summer of 2012, the presidents of the two states - V. Yanukovich and V. Putin - in the framework of the negotiations gave a concrete and clear signal that it is necessary to separate the Sea of ​​Azov and the Black Sea, as well as the Kerch Strait. The presidents signed a statement in which the importance and necessity of delimiting the maritime borders and the water space in the Kerch Strait, taking into account the interests of both countries in the spirit of good neighborliness, friendship and strategic partnership, was stressed.

As part of the talks between the presidents of the two countries, it was noted that the island of Tuzla should be moved to Ukraine, and Russia would have the right of passage of ships through the waters of the Kerch Strait. At the same time, the principles of separation of surfaces were determined, according to which two thirds of the territory departed to Ukraine, by sea, by bottom and by surface.

But, as it turned out later, the parties did not succeed in finally agreeing. Therefore, to date, the working authorized groups of the two countries are working on the development and preparation of a draft agreement on the establishment of maritime boundaries. At the expert level, the relevant contacts are scheduled for this fall.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine uses the fact that the issue of delimitation is very difficult, and, according to international practice, its solution requires a balanced and deliberate approach, because the length of the water borders between Russia and Ukraine is 321 kilometer.

According to a number of experts, in particular, the Ukrainian political consultant Alexander Paliy, according to the norms of international law, the separation along the administrative border was absolutely correct. Moreover, if Ukraine manages to enlist the support of the European Union, the issue of delimitation can be resolved much faster and in a more acceptable plane for Ukraine.

At the same time, according to expert Grigory Trofimchuk, representatives of the two states need to quickly resolve the issue of dividing sea borders. Otherwise, the dispute may go international and lead to the intervention of a third party.

He also notes that negotiations on this issue between the two countries are not the first year. Ukraine is confident that the maritime state border should be determined by the administrative border that was established between the Ukrainian and Russian republics of the USSR. In Russia, they are sure that the borders between the states have not been established in inland waters, and there are no official documents on this issue.

Indeed, Trofimchuk notes, there really was no such documentation, but during the existence of the USSR no one really paid attention to this, because no one could assume that the Union would disintegrate. Therefore, only territorial boundaries existed between the republics by land.

As for the agreement signed by the heads of state last year, the expert is sure that one serious aspect prevents the completion of the resolution of the delimitation problem: state representatives emphasize historical facts, with each state citing its facts and evidence. But in order to solve problems, it is necessary to look at the problem not through the eyes of historians, but through the eyes of contemporaries. In addition to the historical aspect, the problem of the division of maritime borders is also aggravated by the question of the presence of the Russian Black Sea fleet in the Crimea, since no definite decision was actually taken there either. The Ukrainian side connects the problem of modernization of the Russian fleet with the problem of the division of the Azov-Kerch water area.

That is why, the expert is sure, the problem must be solved quickly, otherwise there will always be the danger of various provocations (the same one that occurred in July of this year), as well as the intervention of the European Union and the United States of America. In this case, Trofimchuk notes that there are no special conditions for solving the problem of delimitation. To be fair, it is necessary to divide the waters strictly in the middle. In extreme cases, no party can find any arguments against such a decision. At the same time, it will be possible to find a temporary solution and make full use of this water area.

If this is not done, then Russia and Ukraine, according to the expert, will enter a state of serious confrontation, which is fraught with political consequences ...

Materials used:
http://rus.ruvr.ru/2013_09_11/Sporom-RF-i-Ukraini-o-razdelenii-morskih-granic-mezhdu-mogut-vospolzovatsja-treti-sili-7872/
http://glavred.info/archive/2012/07/12/092359-1.html
http://www.newsru.com/world/04aug2010/granica.html
http://ria.ru/spravka/20120712/698012545.html
http://telegrafist.org/2013/02/02/38521/
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  1. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 24 September 2013 08: 08 New
    33
    They will be able to agree when they again become one state, when this madhouse called sovereignty ends, when normal and adequate politicians come to power in both places. Otherwise, everything will be a saying: Panas quarrel, and at lackeys forelocks crack.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 24 September 2013 08: 22 New
      10
      I got regular fans who put a minus on all my comments, it’s a pity they just don’t have enough mind for more. I would like arguments other than cons.
      1. queen
        queen 24 September 2013 08: 27 New
        11
        Quote: vladsolo56
        I got regular fans who put all my comments

        And you do not pay them anyway .... have a personal opinion, then they are alive ....
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 24 September 2013 08: 30 New
          +7
          Yes, I generally violet on the cons, it’s just interesting to read the basis, because a person thinks something, based on something set minus.
          1. queen
            queen 24 September 2013 08: 33 New
            +9
            Quote: vladsolo56
            because a person thinks something

            the provocateur does not think))))) +
            1. elmir15
              elmir15 24 September 2013 09: 54 New
              +4
              Sooner or later, Ukraine will be part of Russia, it remains to wait for Ukraine to live in the EU or EU association and find out where it is better. Everything is known in comparison, if it is good to stay, if it is bad to leave the EU and join the CU and then to Russia over time.
              1. Sirs
                Sirs 24 September 2013 16: 43 New
                +2
                Ukraine is a separate state with all the ensuing problems and responsibilities. I won’t argue with you, I’m sure that Ukraine will be attracted to the RF in any format by the question: after what or to whom?
          2. Andrey57
            Andrey57 24 September 2013 09: 36 New
            +2
            And why did you decide what he thinks? laughing
          3. rolik
            rolik 24 September 2013 12: 30 New
            +3
            Quote: vladsolo56
            after all, a person thinks something, on the basis of something posed minus.

            He thinks that putting you a minus will make you feel bad - but he’s good))))
          4. Setrac
            Setrac 24 September 2013 15: 47 New
            +2
            Quote: vladsolo56
            after all, a person thinks something, on the basis of something posed minus.

            His thoughts are simple and understandable - "We must work out the State Department denyuzhku!"
          5. Ascetic
            Ascetic 24 September 2013 16: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: vladsolo56
            Yes, I generally violet on the cons, it’s just interesting to read the basis, because a person thinks something, based on something set minus.


            You can ask them in PM for what? Double click on a rating digit and a list pops up. Damn, here regin accidentally slammed a minus ... so this happens. Now he will have to raise the rating as compensation
            1. Kars
              Kars 24 September 2013 16: 25 New
              +2
              Quote: Ascetic
              click on the rating digit and the list pops up

              then the moderators pop up
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 24 September 2013 18: 24 New
                +4
                Quote: Kars
                then the moderators pop up


                You won’t be fooled, everyone will notice repeat
                In general, the lion's share of minuses comes not from opponents, but from users with a minimal number of comments and who have been registered not so long ago. As for you, Kars sometimes puts a minus on the manner of conducting the discussion in the form of an interrogation, which clearly looks like ordinary trolling and not for views and beliefs. Karish and Pupyrchaty are the same sinners. Good luck. hi
            2. Eugene
              Eugene 24 September 2013 23: 05 New
              +1
              We are discussing the topic here, or we are measuring by pipes, to whom have we set more minuses ?!
      2. UVB
        UVB 24 September 2013 08: 40 New
        +1
        And the Cossack is mishandled! We are correcting.
        1. queen
          queen 24 September 2013 08: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: UVB
          And the Cossack is mishandled

          set)))
      3. seller trucks
        seller trucks 24 September 2013 09: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: vladsolo56
        I got regular fans who put a minus on all my comments, it’s a pity they just don’t have enough mind for more. I would like arguments other than cons.


        hammer, they beat us, and we grow stronger, more interested in me than the sea borders Ukraine is going to protect? wooden border guard guard layouts surround, see
      4. kris
        kris 24 September 2013 11: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: vladsolo56
        I got regular fans who put a minus on all my comments, it’s a pity they just don’t have enough mind for more. I would like arguments other than cons.

        "hammer" on them!
      5. Tersky
        Tersky 24 September 2013 21: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: vladsolo56
        I’ve got regular fans who put a minus on all my comments,

        For every minus there is a HUGE plus .. yes Do not pay attention, in any case, you are always with your opinion ...
    2. Civil
      Civil 24 September 2013 09: 32 New
      16
      It will be possible to agree ... but strictly after the return of the illegally held Crimea.
      1. Algor73
        Algor73 24 September 2013 09: 57 New
        16
        If everything was so simple, like "give us the Crimea", then everything would have been settled at the highest level long ago. In Ukraine, for example, in the press, claims to the Kuban began to appear, saying that this is Ukrainian land. With such statements regarding the territory, mutual hatred is only kindled. Let's wait for better times. This is not a topic in the present, and so very stressful time
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 24 September 2013 14: 17 New
          +6
          Quote: Algor73
          In Ukraine, for example, in the press, claims began to appear against the Kuban,


          there is evidence of the existence of Ukraine before 1991 year?

          Ukraine does not have any competence not only in Crimea, but also in Kiev, Donetsk, Kharkov and Odessa
          Russia, as the successor of the USSR, is also entitled to demand the return of the right to property of the Union ministries of the USSR remaining in Ukraine. This is the railway, oil industry, gas pipelines, electricity and much more
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 24 September 2013 18: 37 New
            +6
            Quote: seller trucks
            there is evidence of the existence of Ukraine before 1991 year?


            The most ancient Ukrainians lived on the shore of the Hyperborean Ocean 140000 years ago ...
            When the Vikings Askold and Dir and their squads arrived in Kiev, they found it built up with skyscrapers, the inhabitants traveled on the Cayenne, and the Internet was even in dog kennels. Of course, the provincial Vikings were struck by such splendor, they remained to learn from the greats, and soon they were graciously allowed to rule the city, because the Ukrainians were always hospitable. In 882, I was a Nazi face, cue Prince Oleg killed the Varangians and began to call the cradle of civilization Russia. This cast a shadow over the greatness of Ukraine, which nevertheless separated from Katsapia and merged into the family of European peoples, friends with Poland, Sweden and Turkey. Afterwards Ukraine became an equal part of Russia on an equal footing, but the insidious, I am the Nazi face, s made it not the leader in the union, but a province, offending the greatness of the Ukrainian people. crying
          2. Cristall
            Cristall 24 September 2013 20: 22 New
            +1
            Well, depending on how you count ... if from Sich it’s one option if from Kiev rsi the second and if already from the name itself then the UPR will probably work, and this is already a hundred years old. Only these options will not suit you.
            According to the agreements, Russia has nothing of its own in Ukraine, except for gas that moves in pipes.
            I myself live in Odessa, I speak Russian - I will teach children to speak Russian, a girl from Russia, the city was founded by the Russian Empress - but excuse me, its Ukraine.
            Read the legal succession-have already laid out in detail what the legal successor can apply for and what it cannot.
            With such success, one can comfortably demand from anyone anything.
            It is strange to see Kiev on this list of cities. In general, with what side is his history already bigger than the USSR and as such the states of Russia and Ukraine.
            1. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 24 September 2013 21: 28 New
              +1
              Moscow had to make claims earlier, and now the train in the Crimea has left
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 24 September 2013 21: 46 New
                0
                Quote: zmey_gadukin
                Moscow had to make claims earlier, and now the train in the Crimea has left

                Do not be discouraged, the next will come. Do not forget, we do not live in an ideal world and the right of the strong has not lost its relevance, thanks to the world hegemon.
                1. zmey_gadukin
                  zmey_gadukin 25 September 2013 10: 57 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Setrac
                  and the right of the strong has not lost its relevance

                  and, now, there are threats ...
                2. cyber_punk
                  cyber_punk 25 September 2013 15: 22 New
                  +1
                  Russia is not strong. The Soviet Union’s achievements will run out and China’s oil and gas will have to be pushed, it’s good if they take the money, otherwise they will take it by force. You first stop paying tributes to the Czechs, otherwise Kadyrov doesn’t respect your strength, and then threaten Ukraine.
          3. cyber_punk
            cyber_punk 25 September 2013 15: 15 New
            +1
            Until the 91st year there was no Russian Federation. As for the Crimea, some of its parts belonged to Kievan Rus long before Moscow appeared. As for the belonging of Kiev, come and ask the people of Kiev, I guarantee you that you will be sent to Moscow by the majority .. despite the fact that most of the people of Kiev are Russian-speaking and not Bandera, they will never want to see their city, and not the snickering Moscow, as it’s for it is strange to you.
      2. Corneli
        Corneli 24 September 2013 10: 28 New
        -2
        Quote: Civil
        It will be possible to agree ... but strictly after the return unlawfully held Crimea.

        And what "law" was violated by the Ukrainian "occupiers"?)
      3. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 24 September 2013 12: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        It will be possible to agree ... but strictly after the return of the illegally held Crimea.

        Have you already put things in order in all your territories? Or is it still better for Russian tourists to travel to some areas of the Caucasus under the guise of armored vehicles?
    3. bootlegger
      bootlegger 24 September 2013 09: 53 New
      +6
      We pose the question differently. Is there a need for Russia to agree on these issues? Here the situation is somewhat reminiscent of the division of the Caspian waters. And all the territorial uncertainties, both here and there, are only good for Russia.
      EBN, and so, with his actions, took too much upon himself with the Crimea. So why do we need to fix something legally? What would stabilize the situation in favor of Ukraine?
      I don’t see the point. The issue with the Crimea is not yet completely closed.
    4. Baemaley99
      Baemaley99 24 September 2013 14: 21 New
      11
      Pancake! These, ours! This is the third president (except WATCHFUL) to come to power at the expense of promises to strengthen friendship between Russia. And as they get through, the United States and the Euro Union begin to lick together. Shoot these goats or what?
    5. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 24 September 2013 18: 40 New
      +5
      We survived ... Th - Ukraine will join the EU, then it will join NATO, then what kind of Tuzla will we fight with each other? A reasonable question arises: who benefits from this? Definitely neither Russia nor Ukraine. Bleed us.
  2. svp67
    svp67 24 September 2013 08: 09 New
    +1
    If this is not done, then Russia and Ukraine, according to the expert, will enter a state of serious confrontation, which is fraught with political consequences ...
    In light of recent events, this is not an ORDER event. If you want, you don’t want, but now the border must be not only drawn, but also strengthened, and the sound work of our diplomats is required ...
    1. queen
      queen 24 September 2013 08: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      now the border must not only be drawn, but also strengthened

      I’m probably a fool .... but there is no desire to fight ... I have a girl from Ukraine ....
      1. UVB
        UVB 24 September 2013 08: 46 New
        14
        What is it like to me? I am Russian (and proud of it!), Was born in Russia, but I live in (or ON) Ukraine, all my closest relatives are also Russians and live in Russia.
        1. queen
          queen 24 September 2013 08: 58 New
          +6
          Quote: UVB
          I am Russian

          the essence of our unity .. so let's be human .... we don’t want to quarrel with the Caucasus .... Jews want ... but they are on the side .... aren't they?
        2. queen
          queen 24 September 2013 09: 01 New
          +1
          I’m 250 percent Muscovite ... I won’t leave ... until the last ...
        3. sichevik
          sichevik 24 September 2013 12: 11 New
          +8
          And I have the opposite. I was born and raised in Zaporozhye, and now I live in Kaluga. In Zaporozhye there are a lot of friends, relatives. I go there every year.
          Wladsolo really correctly noted56 --- The Pans are fighting, and the lackeys are cracked by the forelocks ...
          1. queen
            queen 24 September 2013 12: 45 New
            +3
            Quote: sichevik
            I go there every year.

            like me ... I have friends ... they are Tatars ... they are to us, we are to them ... I mean that people are good-natured ...
  3. waisson
    waisson 24 September 2013 08: 22 New
    0
    I hope so, but it will be very difficult
  4. Sega
    Sega 24 September 2013 09: 03 New
    +4
    Yes, to return the Crimea and all problems with the border by themselves will be reduced to "0". AR in any state has the status of a separate state. Hold a referendum in Crimea and all issues will be closed.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 24 September 2013 09: 24 New
      +3
      It is necessary to hold a referendum not in Crimea, but throughout Ukraine (we don’t take zapadents), and everything will be decided quickly, but people cannot be brainwashed, especially young people, so it’s time for us to unite as states and not in parts, then also with the chairman of the collective farm unite and more and more we do not need anyone.
    2. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 24 September 2013 10: 06 New
      +4
      ++. And the question of joining the geys for Ukraine will disappear. hi
    3. Corneli
      Corneli 24 September 2013 10: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Sega
      Yes, to return the Crimea and all problems with the border by themselves will be reduced to "0".

      Yah? in the Azov and Black Sea will not remain a common maritime border? Or, before the coupe, also "return" the southern regions, so that there is simply no access to the sea?)
      1. regsSSSR
        regsSSSR 24 September 2013 20: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: Corneli
        Quote: Sega
        Yes, to return the Crimea and all problems with the border by themselves will be reduced to "0".

        Yah? in the Azov and Black Sea will not remain a common maritime border? Or, before the coupe, also "return" the southern regions, so that there is simply no access to the sea?)


        oh well, you’re sick of it with these boundaries, well, honestly, you lived without them for hundreds of years and everything was fine, well, because they are not necessary to us, not to you !!!! let me finally go to the Crimea normally in the summer without these nightly searches on trains about cars, I just keep quiet !!!
        You can wave your national flag anywhere! I don’t care at all to speak at least on the Israeli movie)) someone does not encroach on her gift from Russia as an independence! BUT, just enter the vehicle and please cancel these formal boundaries, well, after all, it’ll be better for everyone to be sick of it, time is lost on this horror! Well, the truth is!
        otherwise you with your stubborn actions with EU integration will only aggravate worse and worse! Well, nonsense !!
        (this appeal is probably not to you personally Cornelius hi but to the people of Ukraine and specifically to the Verkhovna Rada THUMBY STILL NOT LATER !!!
  5. bistrov.
    bistrov. 24 September 2013 09: 14 New
    +8
    I do not understand why this author dragged here the European Union and the states?
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 24 September 2013 16: 27 New
      -1
      You have a new "roof"
  6. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 24 September 2013 09: 22 New
    +4
    Dig a canal through the Taman Peninsula, in the area of ​​land estuaries only 10 km the rest is dredging. Further, all these throwings of Ukraine can be stupidly ignored, let them play with themselves in their own madhouse.
  7. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 24 September 2013 09: 30 New
    +7
    Even in a nightmare, I could not imagine that such problems would be with the Ukrainians brothers .. The Anglo-Saxons work there day and night, then they organize the “orange revolutions” and now they simply tear Ukraine off Ukraine’s mouth (profit) and are already preparing a “public” opinion for possible territorial conflicts .. Ah Slavs!
    1. TRex
      TRex 24 September 2013 09: 38 New
      10
      Exactly, MIKHAN! All this Russian-Ukrainian shit ... only pleases some forces aimed at the collapse of the relations between the two peoples. What are we sharing? Xnumx kilometers of the sea? The fleet was still drawn to the Syrian events ... Ay-ya-yay ... Oh-ho-ho ...
      Grandchildren will not forgive. A bridge needs to be built, not borders drawn.
    2. msv
      msv 24 September 2013 19: 02 New
      +3
      I think that this goal is being pursued so that we and ami will begin to drag each other's forelocks: the border, the fleet in the Crimea, gas, etc. Of course, we must defend our interests, but clearly understand that Ukrainians and Russians are an artificially divided united people. And many in the world would now pay a fortune that blood would spill between us. Only hell to them! Patience, gentlemen.
      But in general, the quarrels between our peoples should be like the quarrels between the son-in-law and the mother-in-law: swearing in principle in order to divert the soul is possible, but futile. For the mother-in-law with the wife was given to you by fate.
      1. Wii
        Wii 25 September 2013 07: 54 New
        +1
        That's for sure. How many people here are present, have no relatives or friends who are familiar in Ukraine? But when they cut people alive, it’s not only painful, but also insulting.
    3. Cristall
      Cristall 24 September 2013 20: 27 New
      +3
      Yes, not only the Anglo-Saxons. We are all partly to blame for this. We are on both sides of the Internet bleeding, media injection and manipulation.
      I laid out a video about the war between Russia and Ukraine with Rentiwi - which was then described word for word in the article ... they can’t even compose anything new, but they throw and throw grains of hostility into us. The main thing is that they do not find fertile soil, but alas, it is still where it is.
  8. shark
    shark 24 September 2013 09: 56 New
    14
    I wouldn’t quarrel with a neighbor over the Kerch Strait. After all, we have a draft of our own shipping channel along the coast of Taman. One minus will be siltation and, as a result, shallowing of the Ukrainian half of the strait. As long as there is a chance to negotiate with Ukraine, it’s necessary to agree on to anyone. When the conversations become meaningless - to build what is beneficial to us and not to think about anything already. But a reasonable, mutually beneficial agreement is certainly preferable
  9. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 24 September 2013 10: 01 New
    +6
    Quote: TRex
    Exactly, MIKHAN! All this Russian-Ukrainian shit ... only pleases some forces aimed at the collapse of the relations between the two peoples. What are we sharing? Xnumx kilometers of the sea? The fleet was still drawn to the Syrian events ... Ay-ya-yay ... Oh-ho-ho ...
    Grandchildren will not forgive. A bridge needs to be built, not borders drawn.

    I agree ! Ukraine has long been sawed off from Russia (Syria I think a distracting maneuver was supposedly rejoice naive Syria defended and we almost sawed off Ukraine silently) The West is already rubbing its hands and drooling from the upcoming show entitled "Slaughter of fraternal peoples ..) Georgia is already almost in NATO turned on .. No wonder the Western media have quieted down preparing forces for a powerful info war .. in this direction! Hard times are coming .. We must survive!
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 24 September 2013 15: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      (Syria I think a distracting maneuver was supposedly rejoice naive Syria defended and we almost sawed off Ukraine under the guise of

      These are two fronts of one war directed against Russia.
    2. Eugene
      Eugene 24 September 2013 23: 12 New
      0
      There is no sense in the bridge. As long as there is a border. In the USSR, the whole Crimea was fed from the Kuban! Now the potatoes are being transported from where. But there was enough ferry. And what is the bridge? Will it replace four ferry flights? Of course it will replace. And how long will it fight back? Bullshit, this bridge in current conditions!
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 25 September 2013 10: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: eugene
        Bullshit, this bridge, in the current environment!

        did you count? it’s immediately clear that no ...
  10. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 24 September 2013 10: 57 New
    +6
    Crimea needs to become part of RUSSIA and the problem will disappear by itself
    1. oaziss
      oaziss 24 September 2013 16: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      Crimea needs to become part of RUSSIA and the problem will disappear by itself

      That's right, but how to do it?
  11. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 24 September 2013 10: 58 New
    +8
    The trouble with this “collapse of empires”, when the empire is strong, everyone is silent and faithfully looking into the eyes, when the empire is weak, each mongrel strives to pinch off a piece. The example of Memel, which was taken from the Germans after the First World War, and brave Lithuanians took it from the snotty League of Nations but as soon as Germany regained its former power, the Führer had to move his right little finger with his little finger and demand that Memel be returned from Lithuania, as the “brave Lithuanians” played in one place and the Führer’s “request” was granted. as weak as it is now, neither Ukraine nor Burkina Faso nor the United States will reckon with us, but if you recover and show determination, then the border will be immediately determined and they will give Crimea, and if you ask well, they will give Kiev if only they would not touch them . The governments of all these misunderstandings formed on the ruins of the USSR are extremely cowardly and can only yap at a passerby, but as ancient Arab wisdom says: "When a dog breaks into it they throw a stone at it.", While unfortunately Russia does not have a stone, and we are trying to persuade the mongrel to shut up, it just rushes off to a safe state and continues to bullshit.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 24 September 2013 16: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Standard Oil
      That’s what I mean. As long as Russia is weak as it is now, neither Ukraine nor Burkina Faso nor even the United States will reckon with us

      Where is Russia weak? And who do you think is strong?
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 24 September 2013 16: 52 New
        +1
        But everywhere she is weak, look around you.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 24 September 2013 17: 19 New
          0
          Quote: Standard Oil
          But everywhere she is weak, look around you.

          More specifically, is the army weak? Are people weak? What do you see Russia's weakness?
  12. andrejwz
    andrejwz 24 September 2013 11: 40 New
    +2
    But in order to solve problems, it is necessary to look at the problem not through the eyes of historians, but through the eyes of contemporaries.

    But to solve problems in favor of the interests of Ukraine, it is necessary to look at the problem not with the graces of historians, only eyes modern Ukrainian politicians.
  13. Wii
    Wii 24 September 2013 11: 47 New
    +9
    But how can I divide Ilya Muromets? whose national hero is he now? The very idea of ​​this division and borders between Russia and Ukraine is already criminal, because it serves only one ~ the destruction of both states.
    1. regsSSSR
      regsSSSR 24 September 2013 18: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Wii
      But how can I divide Ilya Muromets? whose national hero is he now? The very idea of ​​this division and borders between Russia and Ukraine is already criminal, because it serves only one ~ the destruction of both states.


      And there is also a place that cannot be divided. this place is called three sisters !!! This is a monument where the borders of Russia of Ukraine and Belarus converge.


      in! truth verb character gogolevsky !!!
      Ukraine’s independence in itself is bullshit mare (yes, I’ll give a free gift even to anyone), they’ve been thinking for 20 years now and they don’t know what to do with this freebie! sister brothers played a little and in spite they just act! let it be bad for us, but it’s not worthless to go home to the distant rhodes-little girls, we’ll move beyond the hillock, but for a long time they have been inviting us with sweet speeches and promises made with good promise !! and we then hung ears and frogs struck us beckoned by a bosom with a filling stuffed with rotten!

      yes, their heroes are already different. The Russian spirit, alien to the United States, has been well-done by the brains of the young, fragile, and Ilya is probably already sewn by the invader and usurper of power in Kiev, like all Russia, mother! he again, the Russian cries in the same place clearly written Muramets! if only Ilya Bendera had written there (for example, here), he is a true fighter, a fierce fighter with an occupation enemy (a real fairy-tale character in general))!
      Here I am sitting, I think, but when this nonsense will end !!
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 24 September 2013 20: 34 New
        +1
        quieter, what kind of nonsense about Ilya?
        For him, too, there was a serious struggle - they shared the same Sea of ​​Azov.
        http://censor.net.ua/news/166531/ukraina_i_rossiya_possorilis_izza_kolobka_i_ili
        _muromtsa
        At least be aware of what you are carrying.
        By reference - it’s certainly strange to attribute the symbols of one people to only one country. Ignoring even the homeland of these heroes.
        But our fellows - did not argue. Although it was worth it.
      2. Korben
        Korben 25 September 2013 22: 29 New
        0
        The first time I hear this nonsense from you!
  14. zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 24 September 2013 11: 54 New
    +8
    I read the comments here, and it somehow became sad. On the one hand - brotherly people, on the other hand - give Crimea, etc.
    And how to conduct a constructive conversation with this situation? Does not exceed.
    Oh, make a better bridge. Railway and cars and connect the Crimea and Russia. This would be a grandiose project aimed not only at improving transport traffic between our countries, but also very useful in terms of bringing our countries closer together. But it is probably more profitable to yell online - “return Crimea”, than to offer something constructive.
    Yes, and I will return to the possible unification of our countries. Yes, you can unite, you can revive Kievan Rus, but many questions will arise ... a lot. And our children and grandchildren will decide these issues already ...
    1. Wii
      Wii 24 September 2013 12: 39 New
      +6
      And there is also a place that cannot be divided. this place is called three sisters !!! This is a monument where the borders of Russia of Ukraine and Belarus converge.
    2. xan
      xan 24 September 2013 16: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      give Crimea, etc.
      And how to conduct a constructive conversation with this situation? Does not exceed.

      Crimea is not yours, but Russian.
      you are invaders there, you didn’t do anything good and you won’t do
      He is in Ukraine temporarily. And temporarily for a simple reason - Ukraine as a state of stupidity.
      Can you name the achievements for the period of independence?
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 24 September 2013 17: 43 New
        +1
        Well, the clearest example of the inability to conduct a normal conversation ... give and nagging that "he is not yours, etc."
        1. xan
          xan 24 September 2013 22: 46 New
          -2
          Quote: zmey_gadukin
          Well, the clearest example of the inability to conduct a normal conversation ... give and nagging that "he is not yours, etc."

          I see that there are no objections to the stupidity of Ukraine
          clear stump, object here
          and whining is yours, you can’t do the rest
          1. zmey_gadukin
            zmey_gadukin 25 September 2013 10: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: xan
            I see that there are no objections to the stupidity of Ukraine

            I have no complaints about your stupidity (what to take from you?)
            for Power I am calm
            1. xan
              xan 25 September 2013 16: 11 New
              -2
              Quote: zmey_gadukin
              I have no complaints about your stupidity (what to take from you?)

              verbiage is almost masturbation (old Freud)
              Quote: zmey_gadukin
              for Power I am calm

              I agree, the Ukrainian has to calm down, relax and have fun
              1. Korben
                Korben 25 September 2013 22: 31 New
                +1
                Replace your mouth, since the topic of pleasure is so interesting to you!
                1. xan
                  xan 25 September 2013 22: 42 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Korben
                  Replace your mouth, since the topic of pleasure is so interesting to you!

                  boy-girl from the stash!
                  I don’t need to impose my concepts of pleasure
                  1. Korben
                    Korben 25 September 2013 23: 04 New
                    +1
                    Do you have any pedagogical inclinations related to the topic of pleasure!
              2. zmey_gadukin
                zmey_gadukin 26 September 2013 10: 20 New
                +2
                Quote: xan
                I agree, the Ukrainian has to calm down, relax and have fun

                ))) og, while the khan whines around the corner)
    3. regsSSSR
      regsSSSR 24 September 2013 19: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      I read the comments here, and it somehow became sad. On the one hand - brotherly people, on the other hand - give Crimea, etc.
      And how to conduct a constructive conversation with this situation? Does not exceed.
      Oh, make a better bridge. Railway and cars and connect the Crimea and Russia. This would be a grandiose project aimed not only at improving transport traffic between our countries, but also very useful in terms of bringing our countries closer together. But it is probably more profitable to yell online - “return Crimea”, than to offer something constructive.
      Yes, and I will return to the possible unification of our countries. Yes, you can unite, you can revive Kievan Rus, but many questions will arise ... a lot. And our children and grandchildren will decide these issues already ...


      that's it! we are even closer than the fraternal people we are one people with a common history and only by the will of chance and political games of some freaks crawled on opposite sides of the border! and that is why any even the smallest attempt by Ukraine to flirt with Europe will be perceived with hostility
      this is where all the questions arise about the Crimea, which, if one is to be completely sincere, is the Russian one (again, by chance a Ukrainian flag develops over the peninsula), or rather our common one, that it’s true that we fought, then we are all in a place BUT the trick is you do not want to be together! you don’t want to come to the TC only from here and all the problems join the Eurosian union and turn off all the territorial problems and everything just (except Natsik is more difficult here) will close by itself there will be no borders pritenets and no matter whose Crimea it will be our common as the whole our common vast land! BUT if you want to go to the EU, it means that over time, and NATO, and it’s simply not possible to be otherwise, because everything is as planned, then be responsible for your actions for your choice and be prepared for the consequences !!
      here, if you please, you can do anything here, we can’t do anything! - But in this case, Crimea will have to be returned to its historical Motherland!
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 24 September 2013 20: 40 New
        +1
        Yes, I agree about the people. The hardest thing is to receive reproaches and blows from close people.
        But sorry, the context of "historical homeland" may lead to the fact that this is still the territory of Ukraine whatthe return of the Crimea is not registered between the Russian Federation and Ukraine under any circumstances. In general, it is part of the country and is enshrined in the Constitution!
        it would be better if we persuaded the whole country, in parts we won’t give you anything. It would even be a pity for me to let go of the territory of Western Ukraine, although they got us in order. This is our land, and just to give it away just because there are representatives of the low-grade category - it’s not worth it.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 24 September 2013 21: 49 New
          0
          Quote: Cristall
          the return of the Crimea is not registered between the Russian Federation and Ukraine under any circumstances

          Conditions were specified under which Russia would not have territorial claims against Ukraine.
  15. sichevik
    sichevik 24 September 2013 12: 17 New
    +4
    Again, with the filing of Boval, srach began between the inhabitants of Russia and Ukraine.
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 24 September 2013 20: 42 New
      +2
      because only they give it - and purposefully ... to ban it, but apparently it is beneficial for someone to escalate hysteria between our Berlin wall.
  16. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 24 September 2013 12: 20 New
    -2
    Naughty prostitutes do not exist. As they say you want to join - join, build a bridge if needed. And turn it around, like you’ll call us and we’ll see what you offer us, who needs you, wake up already.
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 24 September 2013 12: 46 New
      -2
      Well, a typical not-so-distant internet scraper)
      1. shark
        shark 24 September 2013 12: 58 New
        +6
        well, why immediately a sracher .. A man simply suggested that dialogue should be carried out exclusively on equal terms, without discounts on a younger or older brother. This is quite logical, especially in the light of the expected global changes in the relations between our countries. And I think that they will be no one had any doubts.
  17. The comment was deleted.
    1. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 24 September 2013 13: 18 New
      +6
      Well, you would decide whether we’re brothers, or if it’s only profitable for you so far, but if it’s not profitable, you don’t seem to be like brothers anyway, and we don’t need to, and generally we don’t let you stink and live, especially for free , the only thing you love more than yourself.
      1. Doctorleg
        Doctorleg 24 September 2013 18: 16 New
        +2
        The man simply answered as you write - first brothers, but give Crimea. And everyone loves a freebie! What is Russia unique in this respect? What are we so proud of? The fact that by chance on our territory a lot of oil and gas ?. Well, what did you do? We can’t see something of the “Japanese” who, without any fossils, made such an economy. To unite it is necessary to create conditions when it will be beneficial to both countries. And then it will most likely happen in the form of the EU, when there seems to be a border, but it seems there are none. And the FAC has been saved and there are no problems with the trip to relatives. Yes, and now there’s not much of them
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 24 September 2013 19: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: DoctorOleg
          What is Russia unique in this respect? What are we so proud of? The fact that by chance on our territory a lot of oil and gas ?.

          The will of the incident has nothing to do with it, the efforts of our ancestors with God's help led to the formation of our state in the form in which it now exists.
          1. zmey_gadukin
            zmey_gadukin 24 September 2013 21: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: Setrac
            the efforts of our ancestors

            but for more details about the "effort" is possible?
            And then the Magidovich’s people there: “they brought small populations under a royal hand in a fiery battle, so that they would take yasak to the royal treasury. And there were a lot of people who were eager for this business ...”
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 24 September 2013 21: 51 New
              -1
              Quote: zmey_gadukin
              And then the Magidovich’s people there: “they brought small populations under a royal hand in a fiery battle, so that they would take yasak to the royal treasury. And there were a lot of people who were eager for this business ...”

              I’d better tell you about the Zaporozhye Cossacks, how they asked the Russian tsar for protection from the Poles, or for example the Georgian tsars, how they sought protection from the Russians when their Turks slaughtered.
              1. zmey_gadukin
                zmey_gadukin 25 September 2013 10: 55 New
                +2
                Quote: Setrac
                about the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, as they asked the Russian Tsar for protection from the Poles

                yes yes tell
            2. Tersky
              Tersky 24 September 2013 21: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: zmey_gadukin
              . And there were many people eager for this matter ... "

              There were many people willing to quarrel among one people, and you are one of them ...
              1. zmey_gadukin
                zmey_gadukin 25 September 2013 10: 54 New
                +2
                yah?
                Am I asking for the return of Crimea?
                or I suggest power scenarios?
                Tersky, read my comments carefully.
                And also carefully read the comments of some individuals under the flag of the Russian Federation.
  18. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 24 September 2013 12: 37 New
    -3
    Quote: chunga-changa
    Naughty prostitutes do not exist. As they say you want to join - join, build a bridge if needed. And turn it around, like you’ll call us and we’ll see what you offer us, who needs you, wake up already.

    Are you kidding me? Contradict yourself.
  19. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 24 September 2013 12: 45 New
    +2
    boval - selling. An article is a set of rumors and someone else's opinions. Some experts and specialists. It’s not a fact that they could be attributed. I am surprised from this site. Well this is like a red rag for some "strategists", a conditioned reflex - give Crimea. Well, what kind of dialogue can we talk about? I am glad that a sufficient number of comments of people who are weighed and most likely seen. A striking difference with haters.
  20. aszzz888
    aszzz888 24 September 2013 12: 48 New
    0
    Return the Crimea and no concessions.
    And time and sane people will put everything in its place.
    1. Nike
      Nike 24 September 2013 17: 03 New
      +1
      And why do you need Crimea if you do not keep your lands ?! Example? how many Norwegian seas did the bear unfasten along with oil? Norwegians not boiling water, but var ss .. and for joy, their own oil was coming to an end, but here is such a gift! How many chinaways were given together with Damansky and Hanko? do not know? And it is necessary! Take care of your guys ....
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 24 September 2013 17: 25 New
        0
        Quote: nike
        Take care of your guys ....

        Crimea is also its own. Just for now (I’ll pay attention to UNTIL) Ukraine is not our enemy, the question of returning territories is not worth it. Moreover, the territory is not only the Crimea, but also the whole of Little Russia and the left bank.
        1. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 24 September 2013 21: 33 New
          0
          Quote: Setrac
          Moreover, the territory is not only Crimea

          well so and about Alaska do not forget somehow
          1. zmey_gadukin
            zmey_gadukin 25 September 2013 17: 49 New
            +3
            And what is so minus silently?
            Or demand to raise in Alaska stsykotno? What about the brethren?
            I, in other matters, had no doubt ....
  21. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 24 September 2013 13: 28 New
    +4
    Kievan Rus .. read the story .. Russian and Ukrainians are not separable .. No matter how we were poisoned ..
    1. Doctorleg
      Doctorleg 24 September 2013 18: 24 New
      +1
      Unfortunately, everything is separable. Around the same time as Kievan Rus was the empire of Charlemagne. So it also included "fraternal Germanic tribes." Well, then you know the story, and they divided and fought, and in general now you won’t say that there were "brothers." The process of forming nations is happening now. And the language has become different and the customs are slightly different, etc.
  22. zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 24 September 2013 13: 35 New
    -1
    it’s interesting to me that it’s become, but how exactly do you bring the brothers to return the Crimea? Can you introduce tanks?
    1. yanus
      yanus 24 September 2013 14: 40 New
      0
      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      it’s interesting to me that it’s become, but how exactly do you bring the brothers to return the Crimea? Can you introduce tanks?

      It is a working option. In addition, you can save on logistical support - the local population will water the tankers themselves, feed them and spend the night.
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 24 September 2013 15: 17 New
      0
      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      it’s interesting to me that it’s become, but how exactly do you bring the brothers to return the Crimea? Can you introduce tanks?


      good question, you (+) personally from me, given the preparedness of the Ukrainian army, one or two Airborne Regiment is quite enough. the local population will have to "solve" the Tatar issue, the paratroopers will deal with the rest, you can’t count on the Navy, they won’t make a single shot
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 24 September 2013 15: 23 New
        +1
        hmm, I strongly doubt it. Well i.e. in what you wrote.
        I hope I do not have to dispel or confirm my doubts in practice.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 24 September 2013 16: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: zmey_gadukin
          I hope I do not have to dispel or confirm my doubts in practice.

          See how they took Afghanistan. Ground forces - the final stage.
          1. zmey_gadukin
            zmey_gadukin 24 September 2013 17: 45 New
            0
            Quote: Setrac
            See how they took Afghanistan. Ground Forces - Final Stage

            those. Are you afraid of a forceful resolution of the issue?
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 24 September 2013 17: 51 New
              -1
              Quote: zmey_gadukin
              those. Are you afraid of a forceful resolution of the issue?

              Firstly, I want to say that the power scenario may not be what you expect it to be.
              Secondly, it doesn’t scare, the Ukrainian government wants to give up Russian lands under Western control.
              1. zmey_gadukin
                zmey_gadukin 24 September 2013 21: 26 New
                +1
                Quote: Setrac
                that the power scenario may not be what you expect it to be

                Well, to be honest, I do not expect any power scenario.
                but I’m ready to listen to your version.
        2. seller trucks
          seller trucks 24 September 2013 17: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: zmey_gadukin
          I hope I do not have to dispel or confirm my doubts in practice.


          I didn’t offer to introduce tanks, this is your idea and my scenario is absurd, I just unflattering commented on the readiness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and also about the buildings in the people.
          1. zmey_gadukin
            zmey_gadukin 24 September 2013 21: 25 New
            0
            Quote: seller trucks
            about the readiness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and also about the buildings among the people.

            believe me, and that and that will be at the level if you have to defend.
            until Russian soldiers shoot at the inhabitants of Ukraine, then MOST of them will perceive the Russians as brothers. But as soon as the first volley hits the Ukrainian territory, many of the brothers will take up arms.
            This is to say that the forceful solution of the issue in the Crimea and the east of Ukraine is not an option for Russia. For Russia - first of all !!!
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 24 September 2013 21: 57 New
              0
              Quote: zmey_gadukin
              This is to say that the forceful solution of the issue in the Crimea and the east of Ukraine is not an option for Russia. For Russia - first of all !!!

              The power option is not an option while Ukraine is an ally of Russia, or at least neutral.
              Quote: zmey_gadukin
              But as soon as the first volley hits the Ukrainian territory, many of the brothers will take up arms.

              You are dreaming.
              1. zmey_gadukin
                zmey_gadukin 25 September 2013 11: 00 New
                +1
                Quote: Setrac
                You are dreaming.

                I live here and know the mood
                and you my friend the militarist
            2. Eugene
              Eugene 24 September 2013 23: 19 New
              +2
              Believe me, I am for the Ukrainian land in the current format, so to speak, and I won’t move a finger! Remember. And I’m not alone. My motherland. Like a pig, eats its sons ... Therefore, I do not advise. There were many of you, but nobody was left ...
              1. zmey_gadukin
                zmey_gadukin 25 September 2013 11: 01 New
                +2
                Quote: eugene
                Believe me, I am for the Ukrainian land, in the current format, so to speak, and I won’t lift a finger!

                even when your family will be under the bombs?
                Quote: eugene
                !Remember.

                I will remember. Do you know what name?
              2. gladiatorakz
                gladiatorakz 25 September 2013 11: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: eugene
                Believe me, I am for the Ukrainian land, in the current format, so to speak, and I won’t lift a finger

                Yeah. A phrase that characterizes a person completely. Ugh.
                1. zmey_gadukin
                  zmey_gadukin 25 September 2013 16: 26 New
                  +2
                  Well, Gladiator, don't worry ... there were Judas at all times ...
                  We will be able to decide which of them is with us and who is drinking.
                  It is a pity that the Russian brothers are not all with us ...
      2. In
        In the book 24 September 2013 15: 58 New
        +4
        seller trucks, in your mind, did you want to fight?
        Or did the kids in the sandbox decide to measure pipettes?
      3. Doctorleg
        Doctorleg 24 September 2013 18: 25 New
        +3
        We already took Grozny forces of 1 regiment. And in general, what do some fists itch? So for this there is a wall, not people. What pulls something to fight? ICHS not themselves, but they strive to send someone - paratroopers, tankmen, etc.
    3. Wii
      Wii 25 September 2013 07: 46 New
      +2
      God forbid from such moronism!
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 25 September 2013 17: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: Wii
        God forbid from such moronism!

        agree
  23. RUS96
    RUS96 24 September 2013 14: 06 New
    +2
    I don’t understand what Ukraine hopes for in the Crimea, I mean. Remember why, because of what, for what, Russia waged wars for the Crimea. Now something has changed?
  24. killganoff
    killganoff 24 September 2013 14: 34 New
    +4
    It is time to return Crimea to the homeland and thereby stop all disputes.
    1. Black
      Black 24 September 2013 15: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: killganoff
      It is time to return Crimea to the homeland and thereby stop all disputes.

      Well, let’s be realistic .... Sochi we will give up Abkhazia?
    2. In
      In the book 24 September 2013 15: 59 New
      +3
      Well, well, try it, young man. bully
      1. Doctorleg
        Doctorleg 24 September 2013 18: 32 New
        +2
        Those. act by the right of the strong? But what about the "brothers"? Or Ukrainians "younger brothers"? In general, the Russian Empire, which Ukraine was part of, fought for Crimea.
    3. Nike
      Nike 24 September 2013 17: 07 New
      -1
      yeah, and Konigsberg of Germany, and Vyborg of Finland, and the Kuril Islands of Japan, and the Pechenga of Norway, time, time
  25. Corrint_25
    Corrint_25 24 September 2013 15: 02 New
    +2
    Already any article of Boval becomes a thorn against Ukraine. It's time to change the subject. The article is a big and fat minus!
  26. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 24 September 2013 15: 55 New
    +5
    This is the problem! Ofon !!! wassat But who needs this pile of sand? Is it really that important strategic importance ??? fool Like dogs in the manger! Purely in ho.hlyatsky: "I myself - not gam, I won’t give it to another!" sad The Snake’s shelf, inherited from the USSR, was lost on the Romanians and didn’t blink, although oil fields are supposed to be there. And on Tuzla what ??? The sand lice of dead jellyfish eat up. am Yes, divide this jar in half! Or make it neutral. Announce it as an offshore zone ..., for this the thievish oligarchs from both sides will kiss you in the ass, but they’ll bury your own three-liter cans with “blood” ones ... Or even break it! There was no reason to get a dog. Well, who of the inhabitants of Ukraine will at least somehow negatively affect the departure of Tuzla to Russia? Or vice versa - on the inhabitants of Russia, if Tuzla leaves Ukraine? NOT ON ANYONE !!! AND NO !!! No one is scratched. Unless a couple of dozens of degenerate patriots will glimpse something about the "primordially" Russian and Ukrainian ... SHAME! fool The first persons of the state. Conversation! Delegations! On the highest level!!! Yes, two foresters or huntsmen on both sides will clear up everything in 20 minutes, and then they will thump for a week on that lousy island, wash and consolidate the reached "high-level agreements." drinks The main thing is to drive all sorts of patriots from there to the neck! Kicks and dents, regardless of citizenship! And everything will be the way ... laughing
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 24 September 2013 16: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: Jogan-64
      And on Tuzla what ??? The sand lice of dead jellyfish eat up.

      Ukraine wants to cut loot for the passage of Russian ships.
      1. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx 25 September 2013 02: 30 New
        -2
        Ukraine wants to cut loot for the passage of Russian ships.

        Yes, I know ... I heard a lot. Lip rolled !!! They also rolled it onto their GTS. So what? As a result, the Nord Stream appeared, plus the real prospect of the South. The Russians will lay the South Stream, they will present to the khokhlyak rulers a large linen clothespin, fasten their lips to their nose so that they do not roll out, and this GTS will go where? Guess yourself? lol
        It will be the same with the fairway. The Kerch Strait is not the Bering and the English Channel. But the Azov puddle is far from the Atlantic and the Pacific Ocean. Digging a navigable canal on the eastern side of Tuzla will not be difficult. This, you see, is not laying the "Streams". no And then what? With whom does the loot cut? Do not tell me? what
        What are the achievements after this we have in the end? The profits from the GTS and the fairway, in my opinion, are more virtual than real (arrogance + noodles on the ears of the people) - zero, good neighborly relations - zero (because of their own tricky posture), the image for the country, since this joke due to misunderstanding, they named the country - at the baseboard level. Etc. etc. Obviously even to a blind man, if at least a drop of common sense was lying around somewhere ... fool
        Einstein's phrase: “There are two endless things in the world. The Universe and stupidity, although I am not sure about the first.” Or something like that. hi
        1. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 25 September 2013 22: 54 New
          0
          laughing What besides minus poke, there is nothing to refute? fool The national-independent patriot, apparently, is trying ..., with a farmer-strategic measure of values. lol
  27. In
    In the book 24 September 2013 15: 55 New
    +3
    Quote: shark
    well, why immediately a sracher .. A man simply suggested that dialogue should be carried out exclusively on equal terms, without discounts on a younger or older brother. This is quite logical, especially in the light of the expected global changes in the relations between our countries. And I think that they will be no one had any doubts.

    Well, read the comments carefully, can the "dialogue" in the comments be called "equal"?
  28. Ihrek
    Ihrek 24 September 2013 16: 34 New
    +3
    Both the EU and NATO are created for only one thing - to weaken, encircle, bring to their knees and ultimately destroy Russia. The leadership of Ukraine wants to help them in this. Well, let's pay tribute to the "fraternal" Slavic people in this hard work. I hope they never succeed. And when Russia becomes stronger, and the EU and the US, they will creep in and say what brothers they are to us.
    1. Korben
      Korben 25 September 2013 22: 50 New
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      Yes, they will crawl precisely at your feet! Do not write nonsense, think at least sometimes with your head! Read Wikipedia if your knowledge is not enough!
  29. Estray_
    Estray_ 24 September 2013 18: 39 New
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    Quote: Chen
    Quote: killganoff
    It is time to return Crimea to the homeland and thereby stop all disputes.

    Well, let’s be realistic .... Sochi we will give up Abkhazia?

    Georgia claims to Sochi))
  30. Cristall
    Cristall 24 September 2013 20: 57 New
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    guys - well, you are like small children .. you can’t live without the Crimea .. yes, go - there is no visa until the age of 15 (if the Russian Federation does not introduce ours, they will not enter it) enjoy and drive home with impressions.
    Sorry on the tanks we have prohibited tourist trips, sorry but forbidden .. we don’t go with ourselves.
    The Sea of ​​Azov would not be divided - if not for the tragedy. And since both sides can be considered right - that’s what they divide. The Sea of ​​Azov and Tuzla in general were a bell - if you remember the mass hysteria in the media - clips on RENTV about war plans and more.
    We do not need a repetition.
    In general, at least in VO - do not make Santa Barbara about the relations of the Russian Federation-Ukraine.
    better take another look at the video and smile!
    1. Eugene
      Eugene 24 September 2013 23: 03 New
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      I don’t advise about Tuzla. If it had begun, God forbid, of course, nothing good to those guys who were sitting on the islet did not shine. Shearing a pig squeals a lot, a little wool.
    2. michajlo
      michajlo 24 September 2013 23: 13 New
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      Cristall UA Today, 20:57 _130924 / WTO

      Good evening, dear! Excuse me, I'm old-fashioned, I just can’t get used to fashionable non-standard with *** orientations. no

      For the content of the video - you have a big "+", well noticed, didn’t you understand the truth from 1995 or 2012? Specify for me, thank you in advance.

      But on the water dividing this, this, and mutual attacks, reproaches, ridicule (not friendly footnotes, this is folk humor) - DEAR members of the forum, your kumpol has "ripped off" and flies far from the neck (with the exception of a healthy quarter of everything here we are on the site) ?
      Yes, you yourself answer a simple question - Who benefits from our disputes and scandals, and even SCAN?

      After all, we are here, reflecting individuals, in and not chewing "indifferent philistinism", NEED TO JOIN, UNION.

      Have you completely forgotten those jammed records from 1985-1991: "those bad people", "then others" and so to the collapse of the Union came !!!

      What else didn’t you realize that with such STUPIDness, ALL of us will tomorrow divide Ukraine and the day after tomorrow God forbid RUSSIA !!!

      What is it that pulling one by one forelocks, think about what will happen tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, where they are leading and pushing us to our Guarantors?

      There is still time, but a peaceful pause is coming to an end, dear "indifferent spectators", tomorrow we may become PARTICIPANTS already ... fool

      Then we will conquer everything together ...
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 24 September 2013 23: 31 New
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        Quote: michajlo
        Yes, you yourself answer a simple question, the question is - WHOSE are our disputes and scandals profitable, and even SCAN?
        It’s not for all of us. The American oil industry bought up half of the Western region under the guise, China pawed on agriculture. Do not believe? Here, admire:
        Ukraine will become the largest farm in China
        Mandy Zuo, South China Morning Post, translated "Khvili"


        Three million hectares of land in Ukraine will be used to grow grain and meat for Chinese consumers.

        China will invest billions of yuan in agricultural land in Ukraine, making this project the largest in the field of agriculture abroad.

        This deal is a significant step in China’s recent efforts to encourage domestic companies to develop agricultural production abroad, as food demand in China grows in step with urbanization.

        As part of the 50-year plan, Ukraine will initially provide China with at least 100 hectares — an area almost the size of Hong Kong — of high-quality agricultural land in the eastern part of the Dnepropetrovsk region. Mainly for growing crops and raising pigs.
        http://hvylya.org/analytics/economics/ukraina-stanet-krupneyshey-fermoy-kitaya.h
        tml
        Soon, without any laws on the sale of land, Ukrainians will only have a bare ass (which already has “buyers”) ... request
  31. stranik72
    stranik72 24 September 2013 21: 29 New
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    Well, if you look from the side, then we will not be able to agree, only if, as is customary for us through unilateral concessions.
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  33. Eugene
    Eugene 24 September 2013 22: 59 New
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    unresolved issues of the Russian-Ukrainian maritime border. If you are sitting in a fishing boat, and a border boat rolls over to you, then you’re heroic. Stop the engine and continue on the topic. And the guys started looping ... figs knows what was really there, of course. But obviously they don’t drown them were going to. Is it an accident, or a chieftain's greyhound .. What does the border have to do with it? Then it’s your business to bark and make noise. And behave accordingly in the sea ..
  34. Naval
    Naval 24 September 2013 23: 33 New
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    Judging by the news, Kiev is selling land to China:
    Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps, a Chinese state corporation, is negotiating the purchase or leasing of 3 million hectares of agricultural land in Ukraine.
    So isn’t it easier to redeem Crimea for debts that Ukraine will never be able to repay and end the dispute?
    For as they say in the newspapers:
    Unpatriotic hryvnia and enemy gas make default of Ukraine inevitable
  35. michajlo
    michajlo 24 September 2013 23: 48 New
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    [quote = Misantrop] [quote = michajlo] Yes, you yourself answer a simple question, the question is - WHOSE are our disputes and scandals and even DIVORGES? [/ quote]Well, it’s not for all of us. The American oil industry bought up half of the Western region under the guise, China pawed on agriculture. Do not believe? Here, admire:
    [quote] Ukraine will become the largest farm in China
    Mandy Zuo, South China Morning Post, translated "Khvili"
    Three million hectares of land in Ukraine will be used to grow grain and meat for Chinese consumers ... there will only be a bare ass (for which there are already “buyers”) ... request[/ Quote]


    Good evening, dear!

    I just don’t have to convince me, I and I believe you and others.
    What got into the media in my opinion, this is far from all ...

    I see that you do not quite understand the meaning of my Notes on Ukraine?

    Yes, the Kiev polit-elite in every way ripened "under the tribunal."
    Although they do not believe in the "High Sons of the Ukrainian people", but I am sure that all of them (from the living) will be there.
    I just want to live to see this.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 25 September 2013 00: 02 New
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      Quote: michajlo
      I see that you do not quite understand the meaning of my Notes on Ukraine?

      I just understood. The trouble is that there are not too many people like me in Ukraine, and even less depends on us. If earlier the people reassured themselves that without the adoption of a package of laws on the sale of land, nothing terrible would happen, now the authorities have found ways to trade land bypassing all and all laws. Wholesale went. So (IMHO) Ukraine (as a single territory) is already ending right before our eyes. And most of them, out of habit, cheeks are puffed up, proud of the fake independence. And it ends, right now ... sad
  36. vikov
    vikov 25 September 2013 10: 12 New
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    Apparently they will never be able to agree on a border, so the issue can be referred to an international court, as always one cannot do without the Vikings.
    1. Michael_59
      Michael_59 25 September 2013 11: 32 New
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      Yeah, this court will immediately judge - everything to Youse and Israel, from Poland to Kamchatka.

      PS: + you for a reason to laugh)))
  37. Michael_59
    Michael_59 25 September 2013 11: 29 New
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    The border on the section between Russia and Ukraine should be eliminated, moved and established along the existing border of Ukraine with Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania.

    We are one country. I’m out of luck.
  38. michajlo
    michajlo 25 September 2013 21: 00 New
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    Quote: zmey_gadukin Today, 16:26 _130926 / Wed
    Well, Gladiator, do not worry ... there were Judas at all times ... We can decide which of them is with us and which is after drinking. It is a pity that the Russian brothers are not all with us ...

    Good evening, dear nickname without a name!

    Firstly, do not be offended for being straightforward, although your flag is yellow-black, that is, in theory, you could be a “patriot of my native Ukraine” and cheer for your country and not the Kiev political elite.

    However, according to your style of constant “under * fucker with a petty smirk”,
    - when you constantly go from the topic of conversation to the person of the interlocutor,
    - moreover, you do not exchange different or opposite thoughts or conclusions,
    - but just provoke or try to insult the interlocutor,

    in my opinion such behavior speaks of only three options:

    - or you are “on execution” transferred here from a higher post to punishment,
    - Or you are a “content troll” and they pay you a little, therefore you are so vicious,
    - Or you were kicked out of the sandbox in a kindergarten and you “your lost sandbox”, confused with the patriotic website of the PATRIOTS of the USSR, RUSSIA, UKRAINE and OTHER PARTS of the post-USSR ...

    Sincerely, Mikhailo.
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 26 September 2013 10: 43 New
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      Do not guess)) By the way, not a bit offended. Thanks for the directness.

      So ... I have always believed and will continue to consider Russian brothers, unlike the "embroidered patriots", I never wanted and do not want Russia to collapse. I have always opposed any EU and other integration processes towards Europe ... the list goes on, BUT ...
      Why am I sometimes harsh.
      - I do not like when they insult my country
      -I don’t like it when they propose that part of it be annexed to Russia, and the other part to be given to Poland, etc.
      -I don’t like when people with the Ukrainian flag have a nickname, they begin to cave in and fawn for the rating ...

      I’m not a Troll, I’m not “at execution”, I’m not “on a paycheck” ... or rather, I get paid for something else))
      And I'm not mean at all.

      Regarding the demotivator ... Who cares, I can throw all the coordinates in a personal. Always glad to guests. Donbass - hospitable)) And we cut the fat and pour the vodka and put it to sleep ...
      1. michajlo
        michajlo 28 September 2013 18: 03 New
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        Good afternoon, dear!

        Thanks for responding to my comment. It’s nice to hear that we’re agreeing on some issues. In others, no, this is life.
        But you will probably agree with me that if I don’t provoke or hurt others, then others will hurt me less, or generally 0.
        Every normal person is proud of their homeland (especially when there is something!) And understands the moral criticism or friendly remarks.

        Regarding the fact that someone offers "parts of Ukraine to give" ships there, in my opinion, it’s not so much a mockery or under ** bq, but a statement of the real DANGEROUS state of affairs with our "non-dependent" one. I personally do not propose to give anything to anyone, but I am afraid of an early denouement in the leak. 12-24 months, because in my opinion, our "great friends" American directors in Kiev have long been teaching our Ukrainians to dance the "Lezghinka" and lead to turning onto the "Caucasian path", i.e. war and partition ...

        And for me this is not joy and not desire, I just see such a bloody development option, and it suits very well our "de * okratichny friends-advisers" from SovDep and other "friendly agents and services" ...

        And I’m only glad if my fears are not fulfilled! But the childish optimism of some of our fellow countrymen, I do not share.

        Sincerely, Mikhailo.
  39. sillsas
    sillsas 4 October 2013 12: 28 New
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    Crimea should be taken in an attack from s, while there is something to take! Sevastopol is our fortress !!!